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Title: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 12, 2017, 06:36:14 pm
I have always made my own soft luggage and have recently started making some prototypes with a view to manufacturing.
I am fortunate in that I do not depend on it for a living and have the facilities to design and manufacture pretty much anything out of canvass or PVC.

Some questions to help me:
1. What material do you prefer...Ripstop canvass or PVC ?
2. What is the optimum size for a barrel-bag ? ...I am currently leaning towards 450mm x 280mm diameter.

My concept is as follows:
1.Start with a well thought out standard sized barrel bag that will fit most bikes.
2. Waterproof and dustproof bag, heavyduty zip with velcro flap to waterproof the zip, 2 x waterproof sidepockets for small items,webbing straps stitched at intervals across the length to prevent tiedown straps/bungies from sliding off.
3.LIFETIME GUARANTEE on workmanship and materials. If it breaks...you send...I fix...simple!  (I need to fine-tune this aspect )
4.Sold off the internet. I`m aiming at R600.00 per bag including delivery to anywhere in the country.(subject to checking courier rates)
5.Custom bags made to order and priced accordingly.

Your comments and/constructive criticism welcome.
I do not want to look at soft panniers yet...I have made some and have some ideas, but would really just like comments on the above questions, product and concept for now.
I am not yet a forum vendor so don`t ask for pics on this forum, but if you send me a message I will happily watsap pics to you.

cheers
PETE
0823578842

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on February 12, 2017, 06:53:01 pm
Cool idea Pete

Not sure whether you've got something like this in mind. Less interested in bells and whistles, just the bag that must be big enough to fit everything (expensive lesson learnt when a rain cover came undone) from tent, mattress, clothes, medical kit the works. I'm leaving for UK in 2 weeks and will buy one but I'll be equally interested if you can make one and I'll pay for it of course.

Givi WP401 Waterproof Dry Bag
The GIVI Weatherproof range offers an excellent water tight luggage solution. Made of heat sealed TPU the Weatherproof range is extremely light and capable of withstanding excessive hot and cold conditions.

Features:
Cylindrical
Includes tie down straps
Capacity: 80 liters
100% waterproof TPU (thermoplastic polyurethane) electro-welding
Reflective lettering
Reinforced corners
Shoulder strap
Dimensions:  29.9" L x 13.8" W x 12.6" H (75.9cm x 35cm x 32cm) edited to add imperial measures.
Empty weight: 2.5 lbs

(https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0055/9993/givi_wp401_waterproof_bag_zoom.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 12, 2017, 07:18:01 pm
Hi Tinus and thanks for the input.
No problem...I can make you a bag that size.
Bells and whistles is not what I`m about (although my initial enquiries indicated I need to be aware of a sector of the market that requires this)
Please send me a watsap on 0823578842 and I`ll send you a pic.
I have spent a LOT of time thinking this through and although things will evolve as this goes along, I have got a design that works, is functional and keeps cost down.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on February 12, 2017, 07:20:28 pm
WA sent. Thanks

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Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Skipskop on February 12, 2017, 07:33:12 pm
I was looking for a "saddle bag" type of bag that could hang over a scrambler tank with a wide saddle with a hole in for the tank filler cap to centralize it. So the top will not have a bag, only the sides. Not to big with zips to take a wallet and small camera, cellphone and so on.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 12, 2017, 07:56:32 pm
Hi Skipskop.
As I said in the initial post I really want to concentrate on the initial product first and really get that right before starting with custom items.
Watch this space and Hopefully I`ll be in a position to help you before too long.

cheers
PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 12, 2017, 08:51:55 pm
If you are looking into making rollie bags (if I understand you correctly) - there are tons of them available already. Will be probably tough sell (whatever you do, do not put zippers on soft luggage - I know sooner or later zebra will chirp in that I'm wrong - but just don't).

That said, If you make these, I will buy two of bigger one and one of small one straight away. Currently nobody makes anything like this here (and it is bloody expensive to import from US - I know I already did the smaller one), and to me this is by far the most superior design:



Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 13, 2017, 08:47:52 am
If you are looking into making rollie bags (if I understand you correctly) - there are tons of them available already. Will be probably tough sell (whatever you do, do not put zippers on soft luggage - I know sooner or later zebra will chirp in that I'm wrong - but just don't).

That said, If you make these, I will buy two of bigger one and one of small one straight away. Currently nobody makes anything like this here (and it is bloody expensive to import from US - I know I already did the smaller one), and to me this is by far the most superior design:





Thanks Xpat...appreciate the feedback, especially from you as I`m a followed of your reports and an adhearant of your approach to travelling.
These are awesome bags and extremely well thought outand perhaps in time I will look at something similar.

However, as I indicated initially I want to start small, with a good, value for money product and evolve from there.
My initial post was in response to a surprising amount of input from potential customers about the aesthetics. ....now I am possibly a bit of a heathen but aesthetics means ZERO to me as does colour coding, but my potential market is clearly of a different opinion, hence the request for input.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 13, 2017, 08:58:44 am


Quote from: Xpat on Yesterday at 08:51:55 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=205960.msg3773957#msg3773957)
If you are looking into making rollie bags (if I understand you correctly) - there are tons of them available already. Will be probably tough sell (whatever you do, do not put zippers on soft luggage - I know sooner or later zebra will chirp in that I'm wrong - but just don't).


HeHe, no problem XPAT, you've done the hard-yards (Over-landing) so I respect your opinion!
Having said that, over 200 Flying brick Luggage system bags sold, never had a zip issue (we ONLY use the best Y.K.K. though - they are spendy), and bear in mind each bag has 12 - 14 zips.
Ditto with Giant Loop, no zip repairs in the 4 years I've been selling them..
Ditto witht eh Adapta Brick; probably 80-odd, no problems.
ditto Big Bag panniers, never had a zip repair, probably 200+ and counting, maybe more...!

But I agree that conceptually, roll-top could be better for exreme use that zippers.
Interestingly, Giant Loop is starting to ship ROLL-TOP bags, to compete with ALTRider, so they have done away with the zip, not for zip-failure issues, but for PACKING issues, a zip is very 'fixed', whereas roll-top you can reduce of increase the size of the closure accordingly.

But good advice, as always - XPAT!
Chris
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 13, 2017, 10:04:29 am


Quote from: Xpat on Yesterday at 08:51:55 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=205960.msg3773957#msg3773957)
If you are looking into making rollie bags (if I understand you correctly) - there are tons of them available already. Will be probably tough sell (whatever you do, do not put zippers on soft luggage - I know sooner or later zebra will chirp in that I'm wrong - but just don't).


HeHe, no problem XPAT, you've done the hard-yards (Over-landing) so I respect your opinion!
Having said that, over 200 Flying brick Luggage system bags sold, never had a zip issue (we ONLY use the best Y.K.K. though - they are spendy), and bear in mind each bag has 12 - 14 zips.
Ditto with Giant Loop, no zip repairs in the 4 years I've been selling them..
Ditto witht eh Adapta Brick; probably 80-odd, no problems.
ditto Big Bag panniers, never had a zip repair, probably 200+ and counting, maybe more...!

But I agree that conceptually, roll-top could be better for exreme use that zippers.
Interestingly, Giant Loop is starting to ship ROLL-TOP bags, to compete with ALTRider, so they have done away with the zip, not for zip-failure issues, but for PACKING issues, a zip is very 'fixed', whereas roll-top you can reduce of increase the size of the closure accordingly.

But good advice, as always - XPAT!
Chris

Thanks Chris
Both of you have valid points, but remember I`m making (for the moment) a barrel-bag to mount on the seat/rear rack. Side pannier bags potentially bear the brunt of a fall and zips may be problematic
I only use no. 10 YKK sips and sliders. Over the years I have found them superior and well worth the extra cost.

cheers
PETE.
0823578842


Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 13, 2017, 11:35:26 am
All right, it was worth a try  :biggrin:

I still believe that whoever comes first locally with that holster system (and it doesn't need to have that complicated 'beaver' tail thingy - just few D rings for rock straps to keep top bag in place) will have a winner on their hands. The fact that it doesn't need racks, it hugs the bike closely contributing to great handling (I believe, I didn't try mine yet - but I know how adversely flapping bags on 690 affect handling in deep sand), it keeps the weight down (unlike top bags), and - unlike Giant Loop U bag (which I have) it is easy to get into, should make it a winner. Especially as currently it is available only abroad, and for very hefty premiums - i.e. cheap local alternative (and being first on the market) does have some legs to go.

@P.K.: I'm no marketer and I'm sure you've done your research, but to me it seems that there is plenty of rollie bags on the market, including local ones (ATG). So unless you are able to sell it at significantly lower price, it may be tough market to crack.

@Chris: Yes, I prefer the soft luggage to be as simple as possible. And while I believe that those zippers can take punishment, they are potential a weak point (and why have one if not needed), difficult to close if you pack tight the bag (unlike the rollie system) - that is why I do not use the Giant Loop U bag, and most importantly as the dust gets in they are bitch to open/close. I have one of those Giant Loop tankbags that is attached to the plate via massive zippers. It needs to be taken off for re-fuelling and it is bitch to unzip/zip after day or two of dirt riding, leaving me most of the time swearing (and sweating) profusely. Yes, one can keep a can of WD40 or shampoo handy, but who wants to get their hands oily and dirty at each refuel?
But for people who ride mostly tar and their bag sits on top (i.e. it is much less prone to damage in fall), it is definitely an option and probably easier accessible than rolling top and straps.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 13, 2017, 01:47:02 pm
Hi PK


What I said telephonically to you earlier, and what XPAT wrote: there are SO MANY Barrel bags, some without the 'bells and whistles' as yo mention, and some already NEAR a price point yo mention, so if it were me, i would not re-invent the wheel, but rather make something truly unique.


ATG, Kappa, GIVI, Adv Luggage bag, I know Chris L does Enduristan, all make Barrel-type bags, too, so if it were me, i would design something new/unique.


For example, our less-expensive  Barrel-type bag sells for just R950 - your R600-odd plan is better value, but consider making something that is unique, that is requested, but does not exist - currently...!
Chris & Team
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 13, 2017, 02:34:25 pm
All right, it was worth a try  :biggrin:

I still believe that whoever comes first locally with that holster system (and it doesn't need to have that complicated 'beaver' tail thingy - just few D rings for rock straps to keep top bag in place) will have a winner on their hands. The fact that it doesn't need racks, it hugs the bike closely contributing to great handling (I believe, I didn't try mine yet - but I know how adversely flapping bags on 690 affect handling in deep sand), it keeps the weight down (unlike top bags), and - unlike Giant Loop U bag (which I have) it is easy to get into, should make it a winner. Especially as currently it is available only abroad, and for very hefty premiums - i.e. cheap local alternative (and being first on the market) does have some legs to go.

@P.K.: I'm no marketer and I'm sure you've done your research, but to me it seems that there is plenty of rollie bags on the market, including local ones (ATG). So unless you are able to sell it at significantly lower price, it may be tough market to crack.

@Chris: Yes, I prefer the soft luggage to be as simple as possible. And while I believe that those zippers can take punishment, they are potential a weak point (and why have one if not needed), difficult to close if you pack tight the bag (unlike the rollie system) - that is why I do not use the Giant Loop U bag, and most importantly as the dust gets in they are bitch to open/close. I have one of those Giant Loop tankbags that is attached to the plate via massive zippers. It needs to be taken off for re-fuelling and it is bitch to unzip/zip after day or two of dirt riding, leaving me most of the time swearing (and sweating) profusely. Yes, one can keep a can of WD40 or shampoo handy, but who wants to get their hands oily and dirty at each refuel?
But for people who ride mostly tar and their bag sits on top (i.e. it is much less prone to damage in fall), it is definitely an option and probably easier accessible than rolling top and straps.

WOW Xpat...had a look at the Mosko Moto video....that is one VERY well thought out system.
They have really thought about their strap and fastener positioning which is critical if you want the product to last.
I have stolen a few ideas(the simple ones are often the best) and will adapt them for future bags.
If you look at their combined experience in design you can see why it is that good. I`m just a palooka applying common sense and hopefully a bit of business savvy.

Having said that I`m happy with my starting product and that it holds appeal for a reasonably large cross-section of riders (I won`t please everyone)...these things tend to evolve over time and with rider feedback.

cheers
PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 13, 2017, 03:00:22 pm
I have very niche requirements, so perhaps take this with a pinch of salt. But I really like the idea of this product: http://xcountry.pl/index.php/en/enduro-luggage/71-sakwy-enduro-enduro-luggage

(http://xcountry.pl/images/rally-15/TheRollingHobo-luggage2.jpg)

(http://xcountry.pl/images/rally-15/TheRollingHobo-enduro.jpg)

I have a Giant Loop Coyote, which I really like. But the one disadvantage of the system (and I'm not against the zip - a roll top over such a wide area creates a shitload of extra fabric) in my book, is that it interferes with your riding position when you're standing on the pegs and going down extremely steep technical terrain. You can't get your arse far enough back. Two side panniers and a very light rollie bag positioned further back works better from that point of view. As soon as there's any real weight in the rear back there goes your handling, so I prefer to only put sleeping bags and a mattress in that top bag and wear a bit of weight in a backpack.

This XCountry product looks amazing! First heard about it here http://therollinghobo.com/500exc#lightbox[group-402124]/3/

On the other hand I guess simply copying someone else's hard work and development and producing it locally is a bum deal and is likely to land you up karma street without a paddle at a very inopportune moment.  >:D

I guess one could use an Altrider Hemisphere-type holster and stick two drybags in there, but round bags don't sit against the bike as well as rectangular ones.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Mev Vis Arend on February 13, 2017, 03:04:37 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 13, 2017, 03:06:55 pm
Xpat - just checked out that Mosko system - looks farking cool!

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0396/9401/products/12087061_1041033325941471_4190041019526560828_o_large.jpg?v=1474406706)

Complete with rip of the original  Giant Loop Coyote photo haha
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 13, 2017, 03:21:09 pm
@MaxThePanda: I like that Polish luggage (basically in principle what the small Mosko Moto does), but cannot figure out how is it fastened to the bike without similar platform as Mosko Moto has (the U thingy used also for Giant Loop). And I like the fact that you can move the top bag further back for the freedom of movement, but I hope to be able to do the same with Mosko Moto.

I have already Mosko Moto Reckless 40 bags, and I have also Altrider Hemisphere from Chris (yes, I'm luggage slut - the eternal seeker of the absolutely best luggage solution  :)). I haven't tried any of them yet courtesy of my broken leg, but hope to go and test the Mosko Moto on 500 in Lesotho in April, leg permitting. Will report back what I think about it. The trip - if it works out as planned (which it probably will not as it is based fully on pretty satellite images), should give 500 and luggage great workout.

@P.K.: I understand your conservative approach - starting with something  easy to produce and hopefully in high demand. I still have a hunch (which is worth probably nothing to be honest  :)), that those holster systems may sell quite well at good price, especially abroad (assuming you are willing to sell abroad). That said, I understand what Max is saying about the karma... The dilemma is, I would love to have that kind of system available locally, as importing it (as Chris can attest) is right now just prohibitively expensive (probably at the cost of full metal pannier system, which only idiot like me may be willing to pay).
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 13, 2017, 03:57:22 pm
@xpat, yes, the ALTRider holsters are indeed pricey!


to halve the cost, we now import and HALF the system; just the holsters, not the waterproof inner 'over-the-seat' bag, meaning that customers can add locally-sourced inexpensive dry bags (usually 20L or 25L - we stock both sizes) t dramatically reduce the cost.
(ALTRider now offers this option as either holsters-only, or the full system).


One fairly 'expert' rider also did not want the weight going over his seat, so he was the one who alerted us to dry-bags in the 1st place.


His idea for 'holsters' pre-dates what we stock from ALTRider, but approached the problem in a different/unique way (industrial Velcro, anyone!  ;D  )


@MaxThePanda And yes, I too do not like anyone copying - directly - any product for local production, but if a product INSPIRES someone to further evolve a concept, improving it simultaneousyly, then that is (relatively) more acceptable!
And noted about the round bags in a square hole (!), but never been an issue thus far.
I hear you about moving back on the bike, too.


but, without the rear tank fitted to my bike, i would fit them as per SECOND picture...


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on February 13, 2017, 04:27:00 pm
I have always used soft luggage and have been more than happy with a 20litre roll bag. Worked for me.
But....

Always looked at the GL bags but too expensive and did not look practical. A year ago I was able to get a second hand GL Coyote. WOW!!!!!!!! never ever thought I could ride a bike with luggage and not know it is there.

Now my roll bags gather dust in the cupboard and the GL gathers dust on the road.  :deal:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 13, 2017, 09:04:54 pm
Phew...lots of input, both here and via watsap.
Thought i had researched this thing to a reasonable level....`till I saw the input here.
Xpat, I have to say, I don`t know what you paid for the Mosko Moto items, but the level of thought that has gone into those products is mind boggling and you have , to my mind , a quality product.

I took some time to `digest` the info and to see if i`m not missing the plot ito my target market, but after some thought I feel I`m on the right track; I`m trying to come up with a simple, workeable barrel bag for bikes: tough, well made and reasonably priced.  In that regard I`m happy with my current plan and product.

However..the info supplied here is fasinating and I see no reason not to explore this at a later time.
Xpat and Max....with the greatest amount of respect, you are not the average rider (as your ride reports will attest to) and have specific and legitimate requirements ito luggage. Hopefully in time I will be able to supply you with something more to your requirements, but I need to concentrate on a wider client-base for now. Your input is greatly appreciated.

More comments/criticisms welcome.
PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 13, 2017, 10:28:16 pm
My concept is as follows:
1.Start with a well thought out standard sized barrel bag that will fit most bikes.
2. Waterproof bag, heavyduty zip with velcro flap to waterproof the zip, 2 x waterproof sidepockets for small items,webbing straps stitched at intervals across the length to prevent tiedown straps/bungies from sliding off.
3.LIFETIME GUARANTEE on workmanship and materials. If it breaks...you send...I fix...simple!  (I need to fine-tune this aspect )
4.Sold off the internet. I`m aiming at R600.00 per bag including delivery to anywhere in the country.
5.Custom bags made to order and priced accordingly.

Sounds like the old Richa bag I own.  A 30 litre PVC bag with zip in a U shape on the top and a flap over with velcro to keep water out.

Bought it for R300 ages ago and thought it would only last a short while but still going strong (the zip was flimsy and required some stitching repair)
The PVC lasted better than the ATG bag I have (whatever that is made of) which chafed a hole through it. I think the PVC is stickier and don't move around that much to chafe.
Access is better with the U shape zip than with the roll type stuff. Large opening close to gear and no tunnel to hold open and view down like the roll seal bags.
Never tested it in heavy heavy rain but it worked fine in normal rain showers.

These bags are always difficult to mount on a bike. If possible it would be nice to have a base mount system, a few straps that connect to the base of the bag and tie to the motorcycle. Have a look at the dryspec bag (not sure how well it works) or the bacbones luggage (worked well but a smallish bag). It would keep the base in place and allow for access to the bag without having to undo straps and you still have the option to throw a strap or two over.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 13, 2017, 11:07:49 pm
Hey Chris (and everyone - this is a great discussion)...

That altrider holster looks cool - didn't know you had one so I'll pop in and check it out.

BTW - you can't strap it down with a strap under the rear mudguard - the rear wheel WILL come up and destroy it when you ride the big over some hard bumps (yes, bitter experience). That wheel travel is there to be used!! :)

On a KTM plastics are cheap. Screw some hooks into the rear mudguard. The little giant loop hooks don't hold on either, even if you notch the rear mudguard - been there. And you need to hold the holster/loop back or it slides forward.

Pete - wish you all the best. Nice to have more South Africans in on the game. We abused our ATG bags around Angola way outside the design spec and they're still holding up... with a structural patch or two..:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 13, 2017, 11:08:48 pm
Chris - your site is down (has been all day).
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on February 14, 2017, 12:30:27 am
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Also in the range of course the 4 SIZES TORNADO DRYBAGS RANGE - 20, 32 , 51 AND 82LT
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Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 14, 2017, 08:03:33 am
Chris - your site is down (has been all day).
ok, thanks, spoke to guys hosting it, they will trouble-shoot now, will let you know when it's back up...
thanks!
Chris & Team
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 14, 2017, 08:05:56 am
Hey Chris (and everyone - this is a great discussion)...

That altrider holster looks cool - didn't know you had one so I'll pop in and check it out.

BTW - you can't strap it down with a strap under the rear mudguard - the rear wheel WILL come up and destroy it when you ride the big over some hard bumps (yes, bitter experience). That wheel travel is there to be used!! :)
no strapping under rear mudguard required, so unsure why you may have had a problem - let's look at the holsters when you pop in, and you can show me what you mean!
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: MaxThePanda on February 14, 2017, 10:20:30 am
Don't know about altrider but Coyote needs to be strapped down to rear mudguard. They have little clips that clip over the plastics but there's no way they stay on. Better is to drill hole in plastic and bolt something down to attach it to.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 14, 2017, 01:34:49 pm
Great input from a lot of people...thank you.
Also uncovered some product I`ve not seen before.
As I said in my initial post I am (for the moment) concentrating on a tough, practical , reasonably priced barrel-bag that will appeal to a wide cross-section of riders.
Dustriders and Flying brick both stock a variety of soft pannier bags and luggage...both cool guys and good service and experience....they are your go-to guys.

The response I`ve had from local riders here in George has been great.
If anyone is interested please watsap me on 0823578842 and I`ll send you some pics.

Just for the record: I did clear this posting with the moderators before I started asking R & D questions.
I am also not in the business of copying imports....I don`t operate like that.
If you see the prototype it is rugged, but very simple, and that`s the secret to my mind...simplicity. Everything in the design has been reasonably thought through, not just blindly copied from someone else.
However criticisms and comments help the product evolve...so feel free !

Cheers
PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 14, 2017, 01:47:10 pm
PK

Where are you? I have a prototype bag that I designed which you are welcome to have a look at if you want. My intention was to develop the bag but then life happened, I took this bag through Africa for 60 days and it was fantastic, im not sure if you are targeting the long distance traveller but if you want to take a look you welcome

Muz
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 14, 2017, 02:35:05 pm
Hi Fuzzy and thanks.
I am in George.Where are you and what`s your contact number?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 14, 2017, 03:21:39 pm
ahh ok, you quite far away, I thought a bag and beer afternoon was in order.. im in Bothasig, Northern burbs in CT.

pop me a mail to murray@mediaalliance.co.za

Il take pics and send to you , if you want it then we can just arrange a courier

lekker lekker
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 15, 2017, 11:13:07 am
OK...sorted Aramex will courier to anywhere in S.A. for R99.00.
Thanks for the input to those who did and thanks for the orders for those who ordered via watsap.

Clearly there is interest and I will sort out my vendor status in the forum and then we can take it from there.

So ...basic 500g ripstop barrel-bag 470mm x 270mm diameter, waterproof zip closure, 2 x waterproof side pockets and longitudinal webbing loops to prevent bungees or straps from slipping off : R600.00 delivered to your door.

Criticisms and suggestions welcome...

For now if you want pics please watsap me and I`ll send them `till I get a webpage up and running

cheers,

PETE

0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 15, 2017, 01:14:32 pm
I now have vendor status which puts this whole little exercise into another gear.
Pictures will follow once I can get my head(or probably someone else`s head) around the technicalities of posting pics.

To be honest I`m really chuffed with the response so far.

Now just need a name for the `brand`....any ideas ?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 15, 2017, 01:22:08 pm
If you don't mind here are some of your pics.
If you mind I will remove them.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 15, 2017, 01:24:51 pm
So ...basic 500g ripstop barrel-bag 470mm x 270mm diameter, waterproof zip closure, 2 x waterproof side pockets and longitudinal webbing loops to prevent bungees or straps from slipping off : R600.00 delivered to your door.

That calculates to 27 liters
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 15, 2017, 01:46:07 pm
If you don't mind here are some of your pics.
If you mind I will remove them.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL....thanks for your help.
I appreciate it.

PETE
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: sidetrack on February 15, 2017, 02:19:40 pm
Hijack if anyone wants to sell their totally ridiculous zipped Giant Loop Coyote please PM me !  :deal:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 15, 2017, 04:14:48 pm
Hijack if anyone wants to sell their totally ridiculous zipped Giant Loop Coyote please PM me !  :deal:

I sense you talking to me  O0.

I don't have Coyote, I have Giant Basin (significantly bigger than Coyote). AlanB used to produce local version of smaller U-Bag (from that rip-stop canvas I think) -will be probably cheaper. Maybe check with him if he still sells them.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: frankmac on February 15, 2017, 06:15:40 pm
I now have vendor status which puts this whole little exercise into another gear.
Pictures will follow once I can get my head(or probably someone else`s head) around the technicalities of posting pics.

To be honest I`m really chuffed with the response so far.

Now just need a name for the `brand`....any ideas ?

By George Bags
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 15, 2017, 06:43:51 pm
I now have vendor status which puts this whole little exercise into another gear.
Pictures will follow once I can get my head(or probably someone else`s head) around the technicalities of posting pics.

To be honest I`m really chuffed with the response so far.

Now just need a name for the `brand`....any ideas ?

By George Bags

"NOMAD BIKE BAGS"....not particularly original I know but need a name and have a rough logo already.
Facebook page and possibly website up shortly as I hope to sell direct to the client.

As we stand at the moment I`m only doing barrel-bags, both my design and size as well as per customer`s specs.
Other product will follow...it`s very early days.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: frankmac on February 15, 2017, 07:30:32 pm
"NOMAD BIKE BAGS"....not particularly original I know but need a name and have a rough logo already.
Facebook page and possibly website up shortly as I hope to sell direct to the client.


I think Nomad is pretty much used up

https://www.facebook.com/NomadCustomBicycleBags/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Nomad-vintage-bicycle-bag-all-match-women-s-shoulder-bag-small-cross-body-bag-multifunctional-male/32464584683.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.9.EJeFPk
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 15, 2017, 07:57:46 pm
"NOMAD BIKE BAGS"....not particularly original I know but need a name and have a rough logo already.
Facebook page and possibly website up shortly as I hope to sell direct to the client.



I think Nomad is pretty much used up

https://www.facebook.com/NomadCustomBicycleBags/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Nomad-vintage-bicycle-bag-all-match-women-s-shoulder-bag-small-cross-body-bag-multifunctional-male/32464584683.html?spm=2114.40010208.4.9.EJeFPk

They are in Chile and do bicycle bags.....hardly used up or a conflict !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: sidetrack on February 15, 2017, 08:53:39 pm
Hijack if anyone wants to sell their totally ridiculous zipped Giant Loop Coyote please PM me !  :deal:

I sense you talking to me  O0.

I don't have Coyote, I have Giant Basin (significantly bigger than Coyote). AlanB used to produce local version of smaller U-Bag (from that rip-stop canvas I think) -will be probably cheaper. Maybe check with him if he still sells them.
No anyone with a Coyote feel free to let me take it off your hands. Would like the original pipes and pcv if you have though  :biggrin:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zacapa on February 15, 2017, 10:23:10 pm
Awesome Idea  :thumleft:

I did a basic drawing for an XR650L tail bag that would be wider / higher with plenty more volume so that you could fit all tools and a spare tube or two into it a while ago. No-one in the Durbs region seems to be into making these.
This fits an XR / DR / KLR type of bike and maybe a few others. What are the chances you could do something like this? Taking 4kg of weight out of my backpack and having it in the right place would be a big bonus. If I could buy
this from a bike shop I would.

Drawing attached for your information.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 16, 2017, 01:39:32 pm
NOMAD BIKE BAGS is now in production.
Based in George.
See VENDOR SECTION for pics and further product info.

cheers
PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 16, 2017, 01:54:14 pm
Awesome Idea  :thumleft:

I did a basic drawing for an XR650L tail bag that would be wider / higher with plenty more volume so that you could fit all tools and a spare tube or two into it a while ago. No-one in the Durbs region seems to be into making these.
This fits an XR / DR / KLR type of bike and maybe a few others. What are the chances you could do something like this? Taking 4kg of weight out of my backpack and having it in the right place would be a big bonus. If I could buy
this from a bike shop I would.

Drawing attached for your information.


THANKS....LOOKS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD.
AM PRETTY BUSY JUST GETTING THIS THING GOING....WILL GIVE YOU A CALL IN A WEEK OR TWO...IS THAT OK?

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 17, 2017, 01:00:38 pm
NOMAD BIKE BAGS is now in production.
Based in George.
See VENDOR SECTION for pics and further product info.

cheers
PETE.

For orders please use either watsap, P.M. on the Forum or email.
Please also give your forum name and own name....makes it easier to work out who is who.

peterking.el@gmail.com
0823578842

Cheers and thanks for the support and encouragement so far.

PETE
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 19, 2017, 11:44:21 am
Had a lot of queries about bags for the top of panniers, so we made up some samples.

Like so..!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: punisher on February 20, 2017, 02:10:47 pm
Just recieved mine , very chuffed
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: frankmac on February 20, 2017, 02:15:12 pm
And me too. Quality stitching  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 20, 2017, 02:53:26 pm
AWESOME feedback...thanks guys.
I think the product is excellent value for money but you always have that niggle of doubt that perhaps your head is up your ass and you are really not going to sell anything.

Watch this space...more products coming!!

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: m0lt3n on February 21, 2017, 07:46:47 am
All the best P.K.!

Its nice to see some decently priced items on the market, if I didnt already have more bags than I have use for, I would have been on this as well. (still concidering it...)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 22, 2017, 12:47:47 pm
A customer wanted one of my standard bags with a bit of KTM `trim`....so made him one and a spare to show anyone else who is interested.
R500.00 ex factory in George.

Orders via P.M. on the forum, watsap or email.
peterking.el@gmail.com
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: jpcussen on February 22, 2017, 10:24:11 pm
CANNOT beat Giant Loop great basin... Remarkable how much it holds, and how it holds it so tight to the bike, with zero movement, and low centre of gravity.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 23, 2017, 08:30:15 am
NOMAD barrel bag
PCC / Ripstop
540mm x 300mm diameter
Heavy duty sip with velcro flap to dust- and waterproof it
webbing tiedown points and locating straps down the length of the bag.

***This does not have side pockets like our standard bag.

R350.00 ex factory in George.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 23, 2017, 10:10:34 am
P.K. it looks nice, but wouldn't the water get in through the zipper? I understand there is flap over it but the sides of the flap seem exposed?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Fudmucker on February 23, 2017, 10:51:14 am
P.K. it looks nice, but wouldn't the water get in through the zipper? I understand there is flap over it but the sides of the flap seem exposed?

You need to mount it so that the flap is not horizontal at the top, but is more to the side and has a slope to it.
That way the water will run off, not run under the flap.
Mounted across the bike, the flap must point to the rear of course.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 23, 2017, 11:00:47 am
P.K. it looks nice, but wouldn't the water get in through the zipper? I understand there is flap over it but the sides of the flap seem exposed?

Xpat you are correct...this is the first PVC one my staff did and the flap is a tad short....would be rectified on anything I sell, but had some requests for pics, so that did the job.

Mudfucker your comments are correct, but if the flap is correctly in place the bag can be upright...no problem.

I personally use a bag EXACTLY like this and have been using the same bag for 7 years...tough as shit, but not a fashion item !!

Waterproof zips are available but do not last as well as the big heavy duty YKK I use....so it`s a bit of a trade-off, but one that I`m happy with.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 24, 2017, 10:36:50 am
The response to this and my vendor threads has been great and I well chuffed with the response, input and orders to date.

PLEASE..to make things easier and obviate a barrage of extra correspondence would all orders and P.M`s contain the following:

Full name
Forum name
Address during working hours where delivery by the courier can be made
cell number.

Cheers and thanks for the support and encouragement received to date.

PETE
0823578842
peterking.el@gmail.com
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 28, 2017, 09:37:00 am
I`ve had a number of requests to make up a bivvie roll similar to the old SADF webbing.
Pic`s attached for comments / criticism.

I specifically made it a bit longer as I always battled with the standard size.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 28, 2017, 09:38:57 am
The spring- loaded clips can be replaced with `D` rings if required and the roll could be longer or wider.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 02, 2017, 11:00:11 am
We now have a logo and facebook page.
Website under construction and testing my patience with technology to the limit...but it will be forthcoming in due course.
See the vendor section for current specials.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 07, 2017, 01:12:26 pm
On 12th Feb. I started this thread and less than 4 weeks and more than 1400 views later we are in production and more importantly, are selling product.
The pace at which NOMAD has grown has astounded me and I`m happy to say I`m comfortable that we have achieved our first goal: to produce a quality soft barrel bag of a design that I`m now happy to sell and put my name to.

We have already done numerous bags to customer`s spec`s and see this custom market as an area of growth for us.

The system of delivery via Aramex overnight is in place and working well.

We will get to other soft luggage items in due course and will advertise this on the forum at the appropriate time.

One of the issues with developing new products is that it is expensive and you end up with a LOT of prototypes....I have a ton of bags of various sizes and of various designs that I need to clear and will be up for grabs at HOT prices in the next day or two: see the VENDOR SPECIALS on the forum.

**Even better prices for those who share the NOMAD BIKE BAGS facebook page !
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: silvrav on March 07, 2017, 01:14:38 pm
On 12th Feb. I started this thread and less than 4 weeks and more than 1400 views later we are in production and more importantly, are selling product.
The pace at which NOMAD has grown has astounded me and I`m happy to say I`m comfortable that we have achieved our first goal: to produce a quality soft barrel bag of a design that I`m now happy to sell and put my name to.

We have already done numerous bags to customer`s spec`s and see this custom market as an area of growth for us.

The system of delivery via Aramex overnight is in place and working well.

We will get to other soft luggage items in due course and will advertise this on the forum at the appropriate time.

One of the issues with developing new products is that it is expensive and you end up with a LOT of prototypes....I have a ton of bags of various sizes and of various designs that I need to clear and will be up for grabs at HOT prices in the next day or two: see the VENDOR SPECIALS on the forum.

**Even better prices for those who share the NOMAD BIKE BAGS facebook page !

And current customers i hope as well  :peepwall:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 09, 2017, 12:33:07 pm
This thread was started as a R & D interactive page to help develope new products and establish what members would prefer ito features, etc.

Well...our bags are evolving...

The latest product from NOMAD BIKE BAGS:

38litre barrel bag
Ripstop / PVC fabric

DOUBLE ZIP for easier access.
Same velcro covering for both zips as in previous products

Please view `vendor specials` and `vendor` pages for details on how to order or enquiries on these or custom items you want made to your spec`s.


`D` rings (plastic coated) added as additional tiedown points.

R 600.00 ex factory on George....R99.00 extra for Aramex to deliver to your door.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: silvrav on March 09, 2017, 12:47:58 pm
now thats the biz...if only you told me before I ordered mine  :deal:

Another thing I would add is a double zip so that you can atleast "locked" it for the quick hand that wants to wonder
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 09, 2017, 12:50:31 pm


Quote from: silvrav on Today at 12:47:58 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=205960.msg3791395#msg3791395)
now thats the biz...if only you told me before I ordered mine  :deal:

Another thing I would add is a double zip so that you can at least "locked" it for the quick hand that wants to
wonder


...or wander...

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: silvrav on March 09, 2017, 12:52:13 pm


Quote from: silvrav on Today at 12:47:58 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=205960.msg3791395#msg3791395)
now thats the biz...if only you told me before I ordered mine  :deal:

Another thing I would add is a double zip so that you can at least "locked" it for the quick hand that wants to
wonder


...or wander...

 :biggrin:

For wonder whats it das bag i can get 5 finger discount on  :imaposer:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 09, 2017, 12:53:36 pm
R 600.00 ex factory on George....R99.00 extra for Aramex to deliver to your door.

Would there be saving without the side pockets?

The colour combinations look great.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 09, 2017, 01:23:46 pm
That`s a `WONDERFUL`  idea...lockable option available...we just add `D` rings at the end of the zips and will allow locking with a small padlock through the slider tag.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 11, 2017, 07:11:21 pm
R 600.00 ex factory on George....R99.00 extra for Aramex to deliver to your door.

Would there be saving without the side pockets?

The colour combinations look great.  :thumleft:

Sorry about the delay in answering the question...ja...R100 cheaper without the pockets, so R500.00 !!

Now clearly i`m biased, but that is a SHITHOT price...go see what bike bag you can buy for R500.00 !!!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Patrol on March 11, 2017, 07:17:25 pm
those bags look very nice
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 12, 2017, 12:14:19 pm
those bags look very nice

Thank you Patrol...They are evolving as we go,and I`m pretty happy with what we have achieved so far,but my focus is on function rather than aesthetics.
That said, there is a LARGE sector of the market for whom colour co-ordination and maximum accessories is important : I am currently working on bag with more "bells and whistles" following numerous requests for specific handles, pockets, zips, velcro, etc.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 13, 2017, 03:02:24 pm
NOMAD...the evolution continues:

I have had a lot of requests for handles on the bags, so here is the new double zip design WIFF a handle.

The velcro flap covers the handle during travelling to prevent flapping.

COMMENTS ??
Title: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 13, 2017, 04:14:15 pm
NOMAD...the evolution continues:

I have had a lot of requests for handles on the bags, so here is the new double zip design WIFF a handle.

The velcro flap covers the handle during travelling to prevent flapping.

COMMENTS ??

Would personally like to carry the bag in the closed position. That handle won't flap much in the wind though.

Maybe combine the handle with the tie down strap?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 14, 2017, 09:13:52 am
Thanks S/M...everyone has a differing opinion on different features on the bags, hence my concentrating on getting the message across that we do CUSTOM BIKE BAGS....at very competitive prices.

I have daily queries as to whether I will make up to Customer`s spec`s.....YES !!! we do ....so if you want your handle on the inside, or no handle at all...no problem: you tell us what you want we make it.

NOMAD (CUSTOM) BIKE BAGS
0823578842
peterking.el@gmail.com
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 14, 2017, 10:18:10 am
Yes, lots of opinions and differing taste.
However I am pretty sure that few people will want to open the flap every time they want to lift the bag from the bike.
Not so sure: The way it is attached looks like a high stress point or point load on the bag and not ideal support points (will probably work fine though but don't look 100% right)

Some more opinions and ideas:
If you add a piece of strap between the d-rings on the side then it will add side handles
I would probably add straps with carabiner clips on either side which I can attach anywhere on the bag to use as handles.
The arch in the loops of the red strap is too high too my liking. Just need enough space to pass a bungy cord or strap through.
Too much customization is going to take up too much of your time in communicating. An alternative would be an option list, maybe with a price linked to each. (Eg side pockets = R100)

Please don't don't take my input in a negative way.  I think you have a great product at a very good price. Great combination of simplicity, looks and features.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 14, 2017, 01:16:31 pm
No offence taken at all.
Your input helps me improve the product...just take a look at the first few we did and how they have evolved into something I think is functional and really works on ANY bike.

The contact point and stitching of the handle is strong as shit...it will not break if used as a handle.

Your comments about the height of the loops is quite correct and is being rectified.

The `option list` is very much part of my planning...the website(which is pissing me off..) will have a basic price for the standard bags and customers will them be able to add accessories.....think Steers basic burger...and you add extra cheese, fries and a drink of your choice !!

WATCH THIS SPACE  !!

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on March 15, 2017, 08:19:37 pm
PK see your product has certainly taken off since our first discussion a few weeks ago. As promised I'll be taking a <40l bag but now appears I'm spoiled for choice.

Sending you a PM
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on March 15, 2017, 08:26:35 pm
I don't think this is the FB page https://www.facebook.com/Nomad-Bike-Bags-581488555323592/
this may be adding to your tech frustration.

What is the biggest bag you have now. Like the brown with "KTM trim"




Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on March 15, 2017, 08:31:45 pm
*EDIT* My apologies, I thought that the OP was just looking for opinion, and not opinion about his own product. Sorry for being a twatwaffle.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 16, 2017, 08:24:27 am
I don't think this is the FB page https://www.facebook.com/Nomad-Bike-Bags-581488555323592/
this may be adding to your tech frustration.

What is the biggest bag you have now. Like the brown with "KTM trim"

38litre is the biggest, but WE WILL MAKE ANY SIZE....custom bags to client`s spec is our speciality.

Tell me what you want and we will make it.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 17, 2017, 02:10:12 pm
12th Feb to now.....just over a month since starting out and I`m well chuffed with our progess, both ito sales and of how our designs have improved.
Probably not much on the face of it , but lots of little things that improve the product , yet keep it SIMPLE , FUNCTIONAL and AFFORDABLE.

*** PIC : Orders just out of production and a few heading for the courier in 10 minutes.

 
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Draadwerk on March 17, 2017, 04:45:21 pm
Very nice stuff
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zacapa on March 17, 2017, 05:20:16 pm
Good stuff and watching this thread with interest.  :thumleft:

Now for something on my my personal wish list - A small bag no more than 30cm wide (long) and 22cm diameter to fit tools, spanners and tubes and whatever else for the lightweight dual sports like XR, DR, KLR, 690 etc. on a day or weekend ride. Typically - on a lot of dual sports this bag can be bolted down permanently onto the rear fender. When it is full and carrying some weight a tiedown goes ledt to right to secure the bag from bouncing around. Would be cool
to adapt one of your standard designs into a shorty dual-sports bag for rear fender use.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 18, 2017, 04:42:06 pm
Good stuff and watching this thread with interest.  :thumleft:

Now for something on my my personal wish list - A small bag no more than 30cm wide (long) and 22cm diameter to fit tools, spanners and tubes and whatever else for the lightweight dual sports like XR, DR, KLR, 690 etc. on a day or weekend ride. Typically - on a lot of dual sports this bag can be bolted down permanently onto the rear fender. When it is full and carrying some weight a tiedown goes ledt to right to secure the bag from bouncing around. Would be cool
to adapt one of your standard designs into a shorty dual-sports bag for rear fender use.

Zacapa there is something in the pipeline just like this : will have a foam/ closed cell foam surround which just seems to work to give the bag a bit of shape and also prevent hard tools, etc from rattling / bashing against the rack/frame.

Will finish prototype next week and post some pics.

PETE
0823578842 
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: zacapa on March 18, 2017, 05:02:02 pm
Cool - I'm looking forward to it.

Good stuff and watching this thread with interest.  :thumleft:

Now for something on my my personal wish list - A small bag no more than 30cm wide (long) and 22cm diameter to fit tools, spanners and tubes and whatever else for the lightweight dual sports like XR, DR, KLR, 690 etc. on a day or weekend ride. Typically - on a lot of dual sports this bag can be bolted down permanently onto the rear fender. When it is full and carrying some weight a tiedown goes ledt to right to secure the bag from bouncing around. Would be cool
to adapt one of your standard designs into a shorty dual-sports bag for rear fender use.

Zacapa there is something in the pipeline just like this : will have a foam/ closed cell foam surround which just seems to work to give the bag a bit of shape and also prevent hard tools, etc from rattling / bashing against the rack/frame.

Will finish prototype next week and post some pics.

PETE
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on March 20, 2017, 06:10:57 pm
Great service Pete. Got my bag today. Posted even without proof of payment received. Made payment day late but by then the bag was on its way, made to order spec. Lekker  bag and hope   to try tomorrow. Thanks Pete and team

(http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah317/tinbez/Bike%20miscellaneous/20170321_054218_zps8wzeepmu.jpg)

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 21, 2017, 04:52:35 pm
Great service Pete. Got my bag today. Posted even without proof of payment received. Made payment day late but by then the bag was on its way, made to order spec. Lekker  bag and hope   to try tomorrow. Thanks Pete and team

(http://i1383.photobucket.com/albums/ah317/tinbez/Bike%20miscellaneous/20170321_054218_zps8wzeepmu.jpg)

Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk

Thanks for the feedback Tinus.
Just back from 3 days on the bike in the karroo and came back to more than one positive compliment about the product and service...I`m all fired up and excited about some new products I`m planning.

Cheers,

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 23, 2017, 10:56:47 am
*EDIT* My apologies, I thought that the OP was just looking for opinion, and not opinion about his own product. Sorry for being a twatwaffle.

No offence taken ....just buy a bag and all will be forgiven !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 23, 2017, 01:50:52 pm
Here is another idea for your bag.  Make the side panel a double panel with the outer one not a full round panel.
Take the one in the image from Tinus above. Move the side handle a bit higher to be in line with the d-rings.
Now add a half round section below that forming a large pocket without a zip. You can even add velcro on the inside if wanted.
Would be handy to store extras like a mud jacket or rain cover for the bag or anything that is waterproof. Hole in the bottom to let out water that gets in.
Maybe even a net to store those washed socks or buff to get dry.
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Post by: Ryderod on March 23, 2017, 01:59:07 pm
Good stuff and watching this thread with interest.  :thumleft:

Now for something on my my personal wish list - A small bag no more than 30cm wide (long) and 22cm diameter to fit tools, spanners and tubes and whatever else for the lightweight dual sports like XR, DR, KLR, 690 etc. on a day or weekend ride. Typically - on a lot of dual sports this bag can be bolted down permanently onto the rear fender. When it is full and carrying some weight a tiedown goes ledt to right to secure the bag from bouncing around. Would be cool
to adapt one of your standard designs into a shorty dual-sports bag for rear fender use.

Zacapa there is something in the pipeline just like this : will have a foam/ closed cell foam surround which just seems to work to give the bag a bit of shape and also prevent hard tools, etc from rattling / bashing against the rack/frame.

Will finish prototype next week and post some pics.

PETE
0823578842

Waiting just for this!
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Post by: punisher on March 23, 2017, 03:46:22 pm
Aaaaahhhhhhh , being one of the first customers , I feel like a proud dad
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Post by: P.K. on March 24, 2017, 10:08:16 am
Aaaaahhhhhhh , being one of the first customers , I feel like a proud dad

Thanks Punisher.
I feel much the same and am really chuffed with our progress.
The design we have settled on for the barrel bags is improved, both functionally and aesthetically and the feedback I have had is really encouraging.
However I now need to start selling and get a proper marketing strategy in place...there`s no problem with the product, manufacturing or price....it`s merely a marketing issue.

Watch this space !!!
PETE
NOMAD BIKE BAGS.
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on March 24, 2017, 11:23:25 am
Hey Peter, fixed you up with an avatar. Let me know if you want something different.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on March 24, 2017, 12:38:24 pm
Hey Peter, fixed you up with an avatar. Let me know if you want something different.

Ha...!!!

EXCELLENT...thanks Gerrard.
If you have been following our progress you will have realized that I`m extremely challenged in the tech department, so thanks a ton. I appreciate your help.

One good turn deserves another so pop in when you are next in the epicentre of RSA and collect one of our bags as a gesture of appreciation..

Cheers,
PETE.
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Post by: 1190 on March 24, 2017, 12:45:21 pm
Aaaaahhhhhhh , being one of the first customers , I feel like a proud dad

Thanks Punisher.
I feel much the same and am really chuffed with our progress.
The design we have settled on for the barrel bags is improved, both functionally and aesthetically and the feedback I have had is really encouraging.
However I now need to start selling and get a proper marketing strategy in place...there`s no problem with the product, manufacturing or price....it`s merely a marketing issue.

Watch this space !!!
PETE
NOMAD BIKE BAGS.
0823578842
When you get a chance whatsapp me a flyer or post it on this thread with pics and prices I spread the word on our offroad riding chat groups :thumleft:
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Post by: frankmac on March 24, 2017, 12:50:37 pm
Ha...!!!

EXCELLENT...thanks Gerrard.
If you have been following our progress you will have realized that I`m extremely challenged in the tech department, so thanks a ton. I appreciate your help.

One good turn deserves another so pop in when you are next in the epicentre of RSA and collect one of our bags as a gesture of appreciation..

Cheers,
PETE.

Hey Pete, here's to hoping you guys are forever earthquake and volcano free  :biggrin:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on March 24, 2017, 02:45:06 pm
Hey Peter, fixed you up with an avatar. Let me know if you want something different.

Ha...!!!

EXCELLENT...thanks Gerrard.
If you have been following our progress you will have realized that I`m extremely challenged in the tech department, so thanks a ton. I appreciate your help.

One good turn deserves another so pop in when you are next in the epicentre of RSA and collect one of our bags as a gesture of appreciation..

Cheers,
PETE.

You must know I love bags. Think yours is very functional. We'll be around your valley third week of April. Will pop around.
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Post by: backwheelbandit on March 29, 2017, 08:41:51 am
thanks for the great service and bag Pete, works great even without a luggage rack
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Post by: P.K. on March 29, 2017, 09:15:28 am
thanks for the great service and bag Pete, works great even without a luggage rack

LOVE IT...LOVE IT...LOVE IT  !!

EXACTLY the market I want: customer wants a custom bag...we make it...he`s happy !!

Thanks for the feedback boet.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 03, 2017, 12:49:20 pm
Good stuff and watching this thread with interest.  :thumleft:

Now for something on my my personal wish list - A small bag no more than 30cm wide (long) and 22cm diameter to fit tools, spanners and tubes and whatever else for the lightweight dual sports like XR, DR, KLR, 690 etc. on a day or weekend ride. Typically - on a lot of dual sports this bag can be bolted down permanently onto the rear fender. When it is full and carrying some weight a tiedown goes ledt to right to secure the bag from bouncing around. Would be cool
to adapt one of your standard designs into a shorty dual-sports bag for rear fender use.

Hi Zacapa.
Just a thought...I use a 110mm plastic sewer pipe in a ripstop/PVC cover. Works like a bomb, tough and cheap.
Do you need such a big diameter.....no problem if you do, just giving you options.

Give me a shout and we can go through it if you are still interested.

PETE
0823578842
Do
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Post by: adrekruger on April 03, 2017, 12:58:09 pm
Still waiting on options for crashbar bags on ADV LC  ;D
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 03, 2017, 02:49:09 pm
Roverman wanted blue trim on his 26l bag....looks quite cool.

They will be with you tomorrow.

PETE
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 11:26:20 am
We are now happy with our barrel/duffel bags: we have a simple, tough and functional design that works and that can easily be adapted to a client`s specific dimensions and needs.

The next chapter begins:  I want to apply the same logic to a `tailpack / toolbag`. There have been a number of requests and a few custom designs produced, but am busy with the first prototype today and will post pic`s for comments later today.
As with previous products, your input helps me develop the product until we get to a design that we are happy with.

NOMAD BIKE BAGS

TOUGH...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 06, 2017, 11:36:14 am
I suppose this is a good starting point:

(http://www.bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/sites/bmwmotorcycleclubcape.co.za/files/images/tailbag-1.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 06, 2017, 11:41:49 am
Bacbones also had a nice system

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182169.0;attach=444062;image)

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=182169.0;attach=444064;image)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: frankmac on April 06, 2017, 12:40:31 pm
I like those as well.

Semi-rigid sides, fitted buckles with straps to secure, padded bottom, small additional pocket and some loops for additional strapping. Mine would be utilised as a tools and accessories pouch
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 01:12:41 pm
OK...let`s start at the beginning.
Rigid / semirigid sides is great, but adds cost.
I am going to start with a soft bag and get the design and fastening system to level that I`m happy with and then we will decide on standard sizes or clients can give me measurements that work for their bikes/ their style of packing.

Pics to follow! 
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 01:34:59 pm
First sample...in line with our SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE motto.

Done in Ripstop purely because it is easier to work with, but will be available in PVC as well.....and at the same price.

300mm x 200mm x 130mm(ht)   .... or to client`s spec`s.

Heavy duty YKK no 10 zip and slider.

Velcro flap to dust- and waterproof zip.

R200.00 ex factory.

Comments or constructive criticism...?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2017, 01:38:33 pm
Now you talking. Will come around end April to order one. Will discuss the specs, because it must have pockets on the side and back. Get hold of a Koako one, except their pockets are in the wrong place, but size is correct.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 01:46:55 pm
Now you talking. Will come around end April to order one. Will discuss the specs, because it must have pockets on the side and back. Get hold of a Koako one, except their pockets are in the wrong place, but size is correct.

Cool.
Just let me know a day or two before as I am inherently lazy and try to spend as much time on my bike or surfing as possible!

Heading back to Lesotho about that time, so just keep me posted.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: frankmac on April 06, 2017, 01:52:02 pm
That is a nice size and fairly rigid sides with the material. I suppose one could put a piece of masonite in the bottom to protect the inner material from wear.

Would like to see those securing loops that you have on your other products for additional lashing
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2017, 01:53:56 pm
Now you talking. Will come around end April to order one. Will discuss the specs, because it must have pockets on the side and back. Get hold of a Koako one, except their pockets are in the wrong place, but size is correct.

Cool.
Just let me know a day or two before as I am inherently lazy and try to spend as much time on my bike or surfing as possible!

Heading back to Lesotho about that time, so just keep me posted.

Should be around 25 April
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Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 02:22:24 pm
That is a nice size and fairly rigid sides with the material. I suppose one could put a piece of masonite in the bottom to protect the inner material from wear.

Would like to see those securing loops that you have on your other products for additional lashing

Ja possibly...a piece of closed cell foam will do the same and be a bit softed....may offer that as an option in the future.

There will definately be additional lashing and tiedown points...this is just a sample.

Thanks for the feedback
PETE
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Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 06, 2017, 02:38:36 pm
That is a nice size and fairly rigid sides with the material. I suppose one could put a piece of masonite in the bottom to protect the inner material from wear.

Would like to see those securing loops that you have on your other products for additional lashing

Ja possibly...a piece of closed cell foam will do the same and be a bit softed....may offer that as an option in the future.

There will definately be additional lashing and tiedown points...this is just a sample.

Thanks for the feedback
PETE

If the zip has a little lip on the inside you can have a closed cell foam basket tucking in behind the lip to make it more rigid.
The vertical part just need the edges glued or stitched together to form a circle so that it doesn't collapse inward. 

The Bacbones bags have something similar although they add another soft material layer with a zip on the inside which just add more cost.

Some other bags have rip stop outer and foam layer inner. Not sure if it is a material is bought like that or the manufacturer combines the two before stitching the bags together.
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Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 02:47:28 pm
OK...can`t be too bad for a prototype...I sold two already and that`s just over an hour from the posting of the first pic.

NOMAD BIKE BAGS.

PETE.

0823578842
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Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2017, 02:51:58 pm
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 03:43:25 pm
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:


You`re the man Gerrard.

Thank you.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Andre E on April 06, 2017, 03:44:30 pm
Ok, I've measured my helmet, so I need 400mm wide, 300mm long and 300mm high.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 06, 2017, 03:59:18 pm
Ok, I've measured my helmet, so I need 400mm wide, 300mm long and 300mm high.

Andre...no problem.
Please give me a ring ( I tried to call but no answer) so we can just run through the design and are on the same page.

If we can finalise that by tomorrow morning I will finish it tomorrow and courier will deliver to you Monday.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Pom17 on April 06, 2017, 04:14:11 pm
Did not go through the entire thread, so might have missed it.

But have you considered doing something like the Giant loop saddle bag, Wolfman tank bag and Wolfman soft panniers. You will make a killing
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 07, 2017, 08:47:11 am
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:


You`re the man Gerrard.

Thank you.

My bag tally is going up :lol8:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 07, 2017, 09:11:18 am
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:


You`re the man Gerrard.

Thank you.

My bag tally is going up :lol8:

Gerrard I`m coming to P.E tonight and staying with Louis Schoeman (and delivering a bag to him)
Do you want me to drop a bag for you there or do you rather want to collect in George when you are down here at end of the month.?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 07, 2017, 11:35:22 am
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:


You`re the man Gerrard.

Thank you.

My bag tally is going up :lol8:

Gerrard I`m coming to P.E tonight and staying with Louis Schoeman (and delivering a bag to him)
Do you want me to drop a bag for you there or do you rather want to collect in George when you are down here at end of the month.?

If you have not left yet bring one thanks. Let me know when you here. 084 492 7680
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 07, 2017, 12:36:23 pm
Fixed you up with a signature line, now you don't have to post your details everytime. :thumleft:


You`re the man Gerrard.

Thank you.

My bag tally is going up :lol8:

Gerrard I`m coming to P.E tonight and staying with Louis Schoeman (and delivering a bag to him)
Do you want me to drop a bag for you there or do you rather want to collect in George when you are down here at end of the month.?

If you have not left yet bring one thanks. Let me know when you here. 084 492 7680


Ripstop canvass / PVC ?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 07, 2017, 12:52:18 pm
THE EVOLUTION OF OUR TAILPACK CONTINUES :

We only really started yesterday an i`m amazed at the response, having sold 4 already.....I`m a duffelbag kind of guy, so I have tended to favour the development of them, but it would appear that I`ve underestimated the interest in these.

The challenge is always finding a FUNCTIONAL system to fasten any soft luggage and the one on the LHS of the pic offers the most versatility than our initial sample.

Please add comments, ideas and preferences...it helps us develop a good product.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 07, 2017, 12:59:21 pm
What if you had the straps going around the top on the LHS bag?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 07, 2017, 01:04:21 pm
What if you had the straps going around the top on the LHS bag?

The loops are on top so that your bungee / tiedown strap can go through them and not slip off the bag if contents shift.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 07, 2017, 01:09:26 pm
Ripstop. I love bags, so no matter what you bring. I do need a tailbag for the DR
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 07, 2017, 01:13:38 pm
What if you had the straps going around the top on the LHS bag?

The loops are on top so that your bungee / tiedown strap can go through them and not slip off the bag if contents shift.
Sorry being doff....I thought that was the underneath side :lol8: It just looks so neat with the 2 straps around the top :thumleft: are they both the same price?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 09, 2017, 06:59:45 pm
What if you had the straps going around the top on the LHS bag?

The loops are on top so that your bungee / tiedown strap can go through them and not slip off the bag if contents shift.
Sorry being doff....I thought that was the underneath side :lol8: It just looks so neat with the 2 straps around the top :thumleft: are they both the same price?

JA...SAME PRICE BUT THE ONE WITH THE LOOPS IS MORE VERSATILE AND WILL FIT VIRTUALLY ANT BIKE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 10, 2017, 06:33:22 am
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 08:24:46 am
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?

Cool.
What colour PVC?
I HAVE ORANGE, BLACK, GREEN AND OLIVE.

See Brynn / Wesley at The Tarpaulin Factory(my old business) on the Westbank..043-7366516. They will sort out stitching.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 08:27:12 am
Ooooops...1190..I see you ride a KTM.!


How about an Orange bag with black trim....or reverse the colours?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 10, 2017, 09:41:56 am
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?

Cool.
What colour PVC?
I HAVE ORANGE, BLACK, GREEN AND OLIVE.

See Brynn / Wesley at The Tarpaulin Factory(my old business) on the Westbank..043-7366516. They will sort out stitching.
The KTM has hard luggage....This is for the KLR so black would be fine :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 10:26:00 am
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?

Cool.
What colour PVC?
I HAVE ORANGE, BLACK, GREEN AND OLIVE.

See Brynn / Wesley at The Tarpaulin Factory(my old business) on the Westbank..043-7366516. They will sort out stitching.
The KTM has hard luggage....This is for the KLR so black would be fine :thumleft:

OK..black PVC with black webbing loops then?
Will make it up today...courier tomorrow..with you Wednesday.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 10, 2017, 10:27:56 am
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?

Cool.
What colour PVC?
I HAVE ORANGE, BLACK, GREEN AND OLIVE.

See Brynn / Wesley at The Tarpaulin Factory(my old business) on the Westbank..043-7366516. They will sort out stitching.
The KTM has hard luggage....This is for the KLR so black would be fine :thumleft:

OK..black PVC with black webbing loops then?
Will make it up today...courier tomorrow..with you Wednesday.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 10, 2017, 11:11:23 am
Will make it up today...courier tomorrow..with you Wednesday.

Speedy service like this is amazing.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 10, 2017, 11:16:52 am
Will make it up today...courier tomorrow..with you Wednesday.

Speedy service like this is amazing.  :thumleft:

Just had mine delivered in my office. Just waiting for some info from Pete and I'll give feedback on the bag.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 10, 2017, 11:33:17 am
Those who know me better, also know I'm a bag man, and OCD. I got the 38L rip-stop barrel bag. Its a good size for general use and well made. Decent material and zips. Time will tell how well it will stand up to use and abuse, because that's we what we do with our bags.

If there is any criticism on the one I received, it is that the seamsters will over time get practice and tidy up the stitching. That is just my OCD talking and does not at all take away from the quality and value for money.

If I had to pay for this bag I would still have bought it. Also knowing the attention Pete gives to his customers, I think these bags will still go a long way to fill a gap where we have otherwise been charged too high prices over the years.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 11:59:21 am
Those who know me better, also know I'm a bag man, and OCD. I got the 38L rip-stop barrel bag. Its a good size for general use and well made. Decent material and zips. Time will tell how well it will stand up to use and abuse, because that's we what we do with our bags.

If there is any criticism on the one I received, it is that the seamsters will over time get practice and tidy up the stitching. That is just my OCD talking and does not at all take away from the quality and value for money.

If I had to pay for this bag I would still have bought it. Also knowing the attention Pete gives to his customers, I think these bags will still go a long way to fill a gap where we have otherwise been charged too high prices over the years.

Thanks for the feedback Gerrard.

GIVE IT YOUR BEST SHOT !!...If it breaks due to workmanship/material failure I fix or replace it at no cost...factor that into the equation as well!!

That applies to ALL my products except samples/prototypes where the prices were heavily discounted.

We are all about functionality rather than aesthetics, but your point is well made and noted.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 10, 2017, 12:00:15 pm
Ok I'll take the one with the loops....and can you make it from PVC? My wife has 10 cam buckles and strapping left over from an order that I can get quite cheap...where would I be able to have them stitched in E.L.?

Cool.
What colour PVC?
I HAVE ORANGE, BLACK, GREEN AND OLIVE.

See Brynn / Wesley at The Tarpaulin Factory(my old business) on the Westbank..043-7366516. They will sort out stitching.
The KTM has hard luggage....This is for the KLR so black would be fine :thumleft:

OK..black PVC with black webbing loops then?
Will make it up today...courier tomorrow..with you Wednesday.
Payment done Ref: Grant-1190
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 03:11:56 pm
A LITTLE TEASER FOR THE GUYS WHO RIDE ORANGE BIKES !!

Tailpack as per previous posts, but with a bit of orange trim as per a few requests.

NOMAD BIKE BAGS

SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE..!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on April 10, 2017, 03:29:41 pm
That looks great, I'll take one of those in black please PK, drop me a PM with your details  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 10, 2017, 04:14:52 pm
That looks great, I'll take one of those in black please PK, drop me a PM with your details  :thumleft:

COOL. DO YOU WANT BLACK PVC WITH AN ORANGE WEBBING TRIM?...or just black with black webbing.

Let me know and we will make it up tomorrow and you will have it Wednesday.
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Post by: zetman on April 10, 2017, 10:53:28 pm
pm my jou nommer asb wil iets bepreek  :ricky:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on April 11, 2017, 06:55:45 am
That looks great, I'll take one of those in black please PK, drop me a PM with your details  :thumleft:

COOL. DO YOU WANT BLACK PVC WITH AN ORANGE WEBBING TRIM?...or just black with black webbing.

Let me know and we will make it up tomorrow and you will have it Wednesday.

Black with orange trimming will work thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 11, 2017, 01:31:34 pm
More orange and black stuff for those who get excited by this colour scheme.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 11, 2017, 01:35:01 pm
Am I getting the higher or the lower one? or are they the same?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 11, 2017, 01:48:35 pm
Am I getting the higher or the lower one? or are they the same?

Grant they are the same height but you wanted black with black webbing.
If you want the orange trim on black let me know asap and I`ll make a plan.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 11, 2017, 02:08:07 pm
No black is perfect :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 11, 2017, 02:19:04 pm
No black is perfect :thumleft:

Courier today..with you tomorrow.

Looks quite cool.

Thanks for the business (again)

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 12, 2017, 08:57:08 am
These tailpacks and barrelbags can be customised to YOUR spec`s...in many cases with little or no extra charge.

Everyone has different ideas / requirements and we have the flexibility to adapt to that...we see that as a real plus for our concept.
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Post by: Ryderod on April 12, 2017, 09:10:02 am
These tailpacks and barrelbags can be customised to YOUR spec`s...in many cases with little or no extra charge.

Everyone has different ideas / requirements and we have the flexibility to adapt to that...we see that as a real plus for our concept.

Big plus this IMO!
I received my bag yesterday, not something "as close as I can find, and adapt to suit" bag, but made to the actual sizes for my requirements. Very happy with the bag  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 12, 2017, 09:59:30 am
These tailpacks and barrelbags can be customised to YOUR spec`s...in many cases with little or no extra charge.

Everyone has different ideas / requirements and we have the flexibility to adapt to that...we see that as a real plus for our concept.

Big plus this IMO!
I received my bag yesterday, not something "as close as I can find, and adapt to suit" bag, but made to the actual sizes for my requirements. Very happy with the bag  :thumleft:

GREAT STUFF....if you are happy, we are happy !

THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT !
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Post by: P.K. on April 12, 2017, 02:33:15 pm
Same colour scheme...barrel bags 470mm x 270mm diameter : 26litres.

Heavy duty YKK zip

Zip flap to dust- and waterproof it.

TOUGH AS HELL

R 400.00 EX FACTORY
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 18, 2017, 08:57:18 am
OK...so I did a ride to check out the damage to Swartberg Pass and then spent a LOT of time sitting looking at my bike and trying to come up with ideas for a soft luggage pannier system.
R & D takes time, but we will get there.....WATCH THIS SPACE !
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Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 18, 2017, 09:13:19 am
OK...so I did a ride to check out the damage to Swartberg Pass and then spent a LOT of time sitting looking at my bike and trying to come up with ideas for a soft luggage pannier system.
R & D takes time, but we will get there.....WATCH THIS SPACE !

I need these in my future.

Please add some adjustable straps for over/under the seat. My suggestion is a wide strap that goes over the seat with velcro on the ends and the soft velcro on the bags. You add the strap to the bike and then 'stick the bags at the height and angle you desire.  The bag then needs a few D rings (or clips) which you then use with some flat straps to secure the weight of the bag over the bike at the correct height for each bike.
Even a double D ring on the bag with straps that connect like in a helmet chin strap and velcro back onto itself to stay in place.

Imagine the bags and the centre stap being individual or separable items.
(https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0259/6060/giant_loop_mojavi_saddlebag_black.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 18, 2017, 09:14:33 am
Soon you will have the whole luggage range.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 18, 2017, 09:25:43 am
OK...so I did a ride to check out the damage to Swartberg Pass and then spent a LOT of time sitting looking at my bike and trying to come up with ideas for a soft luggage pannier system.
R & D takes time, but we will get there.....WATCH THIS SPACE !

I need these in my future.

Please add some adjustable straps for over/under the seat. My suggestion is a wide strap that goes over the seat with velcro on the ends and the soft velcro on the bags. You add the strap to the bike and then 'stick the bags at the height and angle you desire.  The bag then needs a few D rings (or clips) which you then use with some flat straps to secure the weight of the bag over the bike at the correct height for each bike.
Even a double D ring on the bag with straps that connect like in a helmet chin strap and velcro back onto itself to stay in place.

Imagine the bags and the centre stap being individual or separable items.
(https://www.revzilla.com/product_images/0259/6060/giant_loop_mojavi_saddlebag_black.jpg)

I have a Giant Loop bag and throwing ideas aroundito design.
Like I said...it takes time and I don`t want to blindly just copy something. There may well be overlapping of ideas / design, but I enjoy the challenge of trying to make it simple and above all , functional.
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Post by: Carrots on April 18, 2017, 09:46:24 am
Yes....simple and functional should be primary focus I agree.

I got these two Trax inner bags from a friend. I thought it would be nice if you can build me 2 x pannier bags that the Trax ones can fit in to. That way when you stop at night you don't have to remove the entire system from your bike only to put it back the next day. And on a 10 day trip that will become a nuisance very quickly.

So my quick thinking around this was to selectively put 4 d rings on the side that will be facing the pannier rack so that one can tie it with cable ties and additionally use other straps to fasten them more secure. They must be PVC  material please and zip that it shielded from dust and rain on the top so that that inners can easily be removed or put back when leaving again.

The Trax inner bags might be to be big but is just an idea.

I use a Flying Brick for the back of the bike.

Just an idea....what you think Pete?

Thanks.

Kerritz.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 18, 2017, 09:52:47 am
I have a Giant Loop bag and throwing ideas aroundito design.
Like I said...it takes time and I don`t want to blindly just copy something. There may well be overlapping of ideas / design, but I enjoy the challenge of trying to make it simple and above all , functional.

No please don't copy. Giant Loop is nice but not a flexible design. Just posted the image for an idea of the wide strap I am talking about.
Combine the wide strap with velcro and your bags in your image.

As per your previous bags you can probably custom make the size. That combined with some flexible strap on options to choose from will make for a flexible design over a wide range of bikes I think.
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Post by: P.K. on April 18, 2017, 02:45:59 pm
I have a Giant Loop bag and throwing ideas aroundito design.
Like I said...it takes time and I don`t want to blindly just copy something. There may well be overlapping of ideas / design, but I enjoy the challenge of trying to make it simple and above all , functional.

No please don't copy. Giant Loop is nice but not a flexible design. Just posted the image for an idea of the wide strap I am talking about.
Combine the wide strap with velcro and your bags in your image.

As per your previous bags you can probably custom make the size. That combined with some flexible strap on options to choose from will make for a flexible design over a wide range of bikes I think.

YIP....THANKS
Your ideas are pretty much what i am thinking of , but looking at a few other ideas and will hopefully settle on the best!

Thanks for the input.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Mpandla on April 18, 2017, 04:31:22 pm
Thanks Pete. That was speedy service indeed!
Bags arrived and will try them out soon.
Good quality product and looking forward to see what else you will offer in the future  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on April 18, 2017, 09:10:15 pm
OK, I'll try again to loby for the holster system backbone luggage. I have Mosko Moto Reckless 40 and am ordering 80 now from US (and rather not going to disclose price I'm going to pay - it hurts). I just came from 2 week proper DS trip and works like a charm and doesn't require racks (which is important for me to keep the luggage hugging the bike with resulting rigidity and minimum effect on  handling).

You make it and I buy it. I'm not saying to copy it exactly, but to be honest nobody has patent on the holster system with backbone. It was started with Giant Loop, and not is being produced by Altrider and Mosko Moto. I do not think anybody can claim that they own backbone luggage (actually AlanB here on the forum is/was making one as well localy). As long as you just don't copy the design blindly (and I have suggestions on improvements they don't have!), I do not see it as ripping them off anymore than you are ripping of other manufacturers of the rollie bags with your current line of bags.
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Post by: Xpat on April 18, 2017, 09:20:40 pm
Here is the improvement I'm talking about - make it easy to underhang additional bag for extended space (the orange one). I didn't need it when I was riding in civilization as I didn't need to carry lots of water. When I dived into Kalahari my whole right holster was taken with water bag with 9 litres of water, so I packed lighter stuff into waterproof bag and underhang it under holster. Worked fine with Mosko Moto but it is not intended for that so straps are nor spaced properly - if you build it with that intention already, will work like charm. I have ridden about 3.5k km of hard riding and loved the set-up.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Dustdevil on April 19, 2017, 01:01:13 am
Pete which Giant Loop bags do you have?
While the Coyote bags were a nice fit for smaller bikes the Great Basin is simply unbeatable.
The simplicity and robust design will be hard to improve on and I agree that you should not copy it but I believe that you can come up with a simpler bag without too much trim and rather try and keep the price down without compromising on the toughness of these bags.
The only reason why anybody won't use these bags should be because they are taking a pillion or simply don't know about them.
Cost should really not be in one's equation because if you can afford a bike you can afford one of these bags.

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Post by: Xpat on April 19, 2017, 07:03:39 am
Pete which Giant Loop bags do you have?
While the Coyote bags were a nice fit for smaller bikes the Great Basin is simply unbeatable.
The simplicity and robust design will be hard to improve on and I agree that you should not copy it but I believe that you can come up with a simpler bag without too much trim and rather try and keep the price down without compromising on the toughness of these bags.
The only reason why anybody won't use these bags should be because they are taking a pillion or simply don't know about them.
Cost should really not be in one's equation because if you can afford a bike you can afford one of these bags.

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Sorry, I disagree. I have Great Basin, used it once and dont like it at all. While I like that backbone luggage (i.e. that U shaped base that wraps around the bike without need for racks and is more rigid that racked stuff), the evolution of that type of luggage with holster system with three separate bags instead of one U bag provided by Mosko Moto Reckless bags and (to lesser extent) by Altrider Hemisphere, is vastly superior.

The disadvantages of Great Basin are:
- One U shaped bag, so that one doesn't have flexibility ot move for example top part (i.e. where the rollie bag is) further back (while one may prefer to have side bags as further up as possible for good weight distribution - COG centralization). As it is one bag the whole thing moves together so either it is too much upfront for COG centralization (or trying to avoid overweighting weak subframe) with back getting in the way for enthusiastic riding, or it is to far back affecting weight distribution
- It is bitch to get into, to the point where one prefers not to go in during the day.
- The volume cannot be extended unlike on holster system, and everything is tight fit - hence difficult to get into. THe rolling closing is vastly superior IMO to zipper - allows for extended spare if needed, and much easier to open close if the bags are full - it is just bitch to try to close the zipper when GB is full. Using zippers on the GB is just slly IMO (I may be wrong, but newer version may have moved to rollie opening).

In my experience the 2nd generation of the bakbone luggage with holster system ane separate bags is just vastly better than one piece type like Great Basin.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on April 19, 2017, 08:42:44 am
Here are few more images of the Mosko Moto 40 luggage without the top rollie bag, to give you an idea what the holster system is (as there is noone selling that in SA now - except for Chris - zebra, who sells altrider version):

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ke1lIHUtTLZ6zg_6CIaz8KRMX6U_07qDiPxLECdla9hniMrAls4t_W3DVvVIKPBpTdW6d2xMwKrbFjmib8myew2IBHbZ7NQmyKIccXYJiWnctPFFg3MeaNWIVuvjGgXSySqbZCQ4nHbpZinH41iW1ULYQJKDEcQOoUBJg5dMActzm2wucv2lQiEl3XtIPcIUWVhXNMoIRQszLMMpH5bdlgheLVggHjbaGzIIJ71-PsLqpZnYojhqxDODSGXyMRMp1FRUHQ3bZnc8377xLqOrIMrnwKUuqD_uozbth-fnKVzQOEiuX1FIWIOUoSQrS9Fy97f5oYSW_SH48EwPikGwu7h_Am-Zg12Uno1u1kH4ksgo71Xm5Umux-la92LZg8tqT3mk3YDH0HvHzn474QsNQyAodwSrPWRrMLbzgTXUj2ajPDIiVrFNIRsdathlbXkx3AiFz-s2K3eQXuz1SAWPOLkDMTaLooqm1FCs3fIEf3gmYkJG9NJCtyPo8AXQNrruPluxINwNToAjNxZ-YHpTWa61kagK6jkmpH4IaB7YH9sfHeJDUedvqVim_txnzDpyCR-XMi3ma_K6NJud_uMo-vJd19hTnQpgE8U7D1Goys4zqBbr=w2160-h1620-no-tmp.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ywTsuyX38Pl5x2abqx2dx7MlHUW4dPrt6JS4cagbWLF_1HxcqKFBK3cGgNC2f_rpySsHF3FASukmTiZInAuaI_UU8m1aleC39BFWtLw7n0QYFJWisJURNU4Iml-m9QAlVJS2B6XydPw8Z-QBl30zSWw0E-hm_lih197D_0D4-E3vtS-ha8PwIlc3uJsTlJrwQRYtLb67_HX2I4aJGoDGjOWMHZ0FQpD9cvUjMGjDy3RrA-peSUFBFzIVU8IhMypKBOnkzhyRiA_uMoOzE9pXmRVZuXNsnpal4_HbN30gkkdFYInFDf6G6aK97l8K3Y0AdYrghKKtpg37MoMwFpvfm25F40ys-s09Gf3SqUx7R0SH9YYM88EuLzfiVh7cR57Qdph4bLyfHCeEjTWDjXlgMyHndf6yoLpfqvaYW24gddP6aQvt-3Ofve2XHnpY1QTsVbprBCm2eyhqJmSI2vq92JSm2NAjCmm4IZx9uZeLfCP5CBuEMqAyE2DiyJIvLG8ljXSAGTcTQODBExD4DSzVbrCWS9x84FuxyoL4sKgtiRUy-mYCTmVv7Nj2q0MoFig4z7hUomay5Kf9HCyTBn5Y9etaMjLR1ouY4bnXV1BcNvFZwGl9=w2160-h1620-no-tmp.jpg)

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/oGKZtuS8cwmpM_B6yDf638zxIemswRAMaIHpXtMddg-Km8ZvXuxHm89lPKC7rokievKIYdNN7ot1Xm1at47LOZqjO7oy2yniIjAb4DVHpaMacHs3-5JWrh1wVIpphbcg1UmTyojNF7d88IsvjzQy-kdA_B_867dCyzdzsrXKMpFPD86uGzKUT6byse0VEtpQtNeb3Z7LFh3I4lCGGLukbgC7Ywle-OpxTGO1a93nCvzFC1JLXXf3lzjcwnp_6vxpPsGQxlmvfXyo5RxURG1j2RpiwI-LAxCDtymGW6o1yyuFzTULmffz4Z_z7zRatPjgCPD6LT7Yglr4L_GPI3DswLnL3GKjdXnEHjRaz5vdPcfNPP2MqJnf-IRahY49UnfmAX8CocRgBnM_9mjMcy0WIHlVuO9blRTGtUGAiK-iudjFy2EQUVTxC9x8rvUHCn2qTkiW-bjyvPErjPWgWf_7pd_kqa1LCo3RbF4P3_RoRenvdi9769VxyQATYW_VxJ-ph5TxEKkHBbW-1Q5Tvzf9dPhL0JHIJciWkmDewjgnGgjYO6B7ooXx8H3JrZH4Z-6moclafL5vv0lZczWPT_82c0mFsjkU01uLkl4vqgqmEofW44IA=w2160-h1620-no-tmp.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on April 19, 2017, 08:50:01 am
That's exactly what I'm looking for on my 690 but there's no ways I can afford those Mosko's. Go for it Pete  ;D :thumleft:
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Post by: P.K. on April 19, 2017, 09:00:38 am
Ah Xpat....a voice from the wilderness ! 

Your point ito SEPARATE side bags is exactly what I thought and that is definately the way I am going,
Hopefully with some sort of adjustment mechanism so riders can customize to their bike / riding style.

However, NOMAD BIKE BAGS is a sideline for me ito earning my daily bread and I have to fit in my surfing as well, so its a slow process developing new products and this will be no exception.

I will post developments on this thread.
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Post by: P.K. on April 19, 2017, 09:03:31 am
That's exactly what I'm looking for on my 690 but there's no ways I can afford those Mosko's. Go for it Pete  ;D :thumleft:

The Mosko Moto range is FANTASTIC !!
The level of thought and planning that has gone into the product is mind boggling and I will not match it.

However, in line with NOMAD`S philosophy, we will try to develop something simple, functional and affordable....watch this space !!
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Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on April 19, 2017, 09:48:00 am
However, NOMAD BIKE BAGS is a sideline for me ito earning my daily bread and I have to fit in my surfing as well, so its a slow process developing new products and this will be no exception.

You started this thread mid Feb thus just a little over 2 months now and a lot has been done. Not slow going in my books.

However, in line with NOMAD`S philosophy, we will try to develop something simple, functional and affordable....watch this space !!

 :thumleft: and flexible too
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Dustdevil on April 19, 2017, 09:54:27 am
Xpat while I would agree with you that a modular system has many advantages over a single design like the GB from Giant Loop it also has some major drawbacks in the it loses simplicity and becomes far more fiddly and can take forever to attach and remove all the separate parts. This complicated arrangement also makes the bags much more expensive.
While I have no experience of the Mosco Moto products I have used just about everything in the past including hard luggage which is still a winner for two up riding.
The Bac Bones luggage was well balanced on the bike but oh what a pain to fit or remove especially those side rollies. The top bag could never be securely attached and kept on moving around on the pillion seat, didn't keep out rain or dust and ripped quite easily.
The way the Bac Bones distributed the weight and increased the handling of the bike and held up to falls and crashes because of its close proximity to the bike inspired me to import the Giant Loop gear to SA.
I arranged for a demo bag from them and took it trough Namibia on one of Simon Fouries Desert runs and afterward some crazy stuff circulating Brandberg.
Why I love GL; it is tough as nails, it is extremely simple in design, it fits the bike like a glove and sits very secure without moving around, it can be removed in seconds and be flung over a shoulder and be carried a considerable distance quiet comfortably. This is something we have had to do many times to get bikes through some really impossible sections especially in Lesotho.
I agree that zippers can be a weak point in any luggage system but I have never found them to be troublesome as I always trim my luggage down to a comfortable fit and still found I am taking stuff that aren't 100% necessary.
I must add that the Great Basin worked great with the inner bags. These keeps everything neatly arranged inside the bag and makes it very easy to reach even the deepest buried items without having stuff unpacked all over the show.
I can't image the bag will be very functional without these inner bags.
When I sold them it was sold as a package and included all the inner bags.

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Post by: Xpat on April 19, 2017, 12:30:12 pm
Dustdevil, if the GL works for you then enjoy  :thumleft: We may have different preferences.

I just wanted to clarify - as it seems I may not have been clear enough - that Mosko Moto (as well as Altrider Hemisphere - which is by the way done by people who designed GL products and then moved on) are not two separate bags - as in standard saddle bags. They are basically exactly what GL GB is - i.e. backbone (or whatever it is called) thrown over the bike, but with holsters attached on each side instead of one piece bag just sawn in. You then just slot dry bags (or whatever you want) into those holsters and fasten them with strap.

So in terms of attaching or disataching the system to/from the bike it is exactly the same as GL GB, and provides same rigidity as it hugs the bike in exactly the same way through the backbone. But in terms of ease of use, flexibility and I dare to say durability, way ahead IMO. As I said it is generation 2 of backbone (that is my word - not sure what is that thing that provides basis for this kind of luggage) luggage.

Here is link to the mosko moto site with pictures and videos if my explanation is not clear:

https://moskomoto.com/collections/moto-camping-luggage/products/reckless-40l-system (https://moskomoto.com/collections/moto-camping-luggage/products/reckless-40l-system)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0396/9401/products/mosko_moto-reckless_-motorcycle-soft-bags-dualsport-offroad-adventure-soft-luggage-pannier-duffle-ktm-bmw-klr-adventure_7_9a867a17-e04a-4dac-b40f-0c4ae68c4948.jpg?v=1474406706)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 19, 2017, 02:19:41 pm
The evolution continues....

Scratching my head ito trying to secure them in a simple, yet functional way.

Next step is to integrate them with a "yoke" to go over the seat with the option of a fitted tailpack accross the seat.
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Post by: P.K. on April 19, 2017, 02:20:56 pm
Pics
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Dustdevil on April 19, 2017, 03:25:03 pm
Dustdevil, if the GL works for you then enjoy  :thumleft: We may have different preferences.

I just wanted to clarify - as it seems I may not have been clear enough - that Mosko Moto (as well as Altrider Hemisphere - which is by the way done by people who designed GL products and then moved on) are not two separate bags - as in standard saddle bags. They are basically exactly what GL GB is - i.e. backbone (or whatever it is called) thrown over the bike, but with holsters attached on each side instead of one piece bag just sawn in. You then just slot dry bags (or whatever you want) into those holsters and fasten them with strap.

So in terms of attaching or disataching the system to/from the bike it is exactly the same as GL GB, and provides same rigidity as it hugs the bike in exactly the same way through the backbone. But in terms of ease of use, flexibility and I dare to say durability, way ahead IMO. As I said it is generation 2 of backbone (that is my word - not sure what is that thing that provides basis for this kind of luggage) luggage.

Here is link to the mosko moto site with pictures and videos if my explanation is not clear:

https://moskomoto.com/collections/moto-camping-luggage/products/reckless-40l-system (https://moskomoto.com/collections/moto-camping-luggage/products/reckless-40l-system)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0396/9401/products/mosko_moto-reckless_-motorcycle-soft-bags-dualsport-offroad-adventure-soft-luggage-pannier-duffle-ktm-bmw-klr-adventure_7_9a867a17-e04a-4dac-b40f-0c4ae68c4948.jpg?v=1474406706)
Visited their website and it makes a lot of sense.
One solid saddle bag style structure that wraps over the seat, attaches to the pillion foot peg brackets and the rear carrier.
Whether it is one inclusive bag or a modular system as long as it attaches in this way it will work great.
What is important though is that the luggage pack must form a single unit once attached to allow it to securely stay in place on the bike.
Pete needs to invest in a system like that. The basic back bone structure is the core of this concept and must form the basis of any successful system.
Some copying of that aspect of this idea will have to happen but the way the rest of the system fits together and the exact shape of individual bags and extra features can be done to individual taste.
I prefer a system to have no trimmings like pouches, clear panels, backpack straps etc and be focused to just do the one job it's designed for and that is to keep the bulk of one's luggage securely on the bike while interfering with the handling as little as possible.
Make it durable but cut costs by cutting the trimmings.

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Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 19, 2017, 03:50:20 pm
Exactly my sentiments Dustdevil...it will take a bit of time, but I`m pretty confident we can come up with something that is functional.

Not always easy to please everybody, so I`m going with my `default setting`, which is "function over form"....I will do the colour coded trimming if client`s want that , but I really enjoy trying to make something that would work for ME...and that tends to be a bit minimalist for most.

That said, we are really a custom bike bag manufacturer and really want to be able to make whatever individual riders want....we see this flexibility of manufacturing as key to our growth in the future.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: aka.Goliath on April 19, 2017, 04:19:57 pm
Xpat. How does the Mosko work when it's comes to filling up the 690? That alone makes me want to get rid of the Giantloop. Having to basically remove the whole bag every time I want to access the fuel cap... really annoys me.. a lot.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on April 19, 2017, 04:29:27 pm
Xpat. How does the Mosko work when it's comes to filling up the 690? That alone makes me want to get rid of the Giantloop. Having to basically remove the whole bag every time I want to access the fuel cap... really annoys me.. a lot.

Unfortunatelly the same - at least my version. My understanding is that newer version has an opening in the backbone to accommodate the rear tank.

I work around it by riding mostly on front tanks, which give me 200 km range and keeping rear tank full in reserve. But yes, I had to few times on my trip take the rear luggage off to fill the rear tank. In my riding it is not such a big deal as I'm usually so knackered from the riding that I welcome the break, but if somebody is only into easy peasy adventure riding not hard riding, where they just want to kill as many km as possible very quickly, it would get annoying. In my riding 200 km usually takes better part of the day to do.

Edit: I see that Reckless 80 litre version 2 has opening for rear tank for 690, but I don't see one for 40litre version.
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Post by: aka.Goliath on April 19, 2017, 04:43:23 pm
Ahaa... I just found this. Please remember this when designing luggage.

https://youtu.be/u74-eFwJ-dk
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 25, 2017, 10:47:54 am
YES....WE DO CUSTOM BAGS !!!!

Just to clarify those numerous P.M.`s

In the interests of practicality...you need to have an idea of what you want: basic design and/or dimensions and then we can discuss how best to achieve that design / idea.

We are developing new ideas and products all the time but look forward to your custom requests.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 25, 2017, 11:51:47 am
The "tool" bag I bought for the KLR is a few centimeters to small maybe you can have specific dimensions for a standard KLR plate etc then market it as such......just an idea :thumleft: I think Ill have to order another bag :eek7:  :lol8: Might have to send it to another address...my wife might think I'm hiding another bike from her again :imaposer:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 25, 2017, 02:00:36 pm
The "tool" bag I bought for the KLR is a few centimeters to small maybe you can have specific dimensions for a standard KLR plate etc then market it as such......just an idea :thumleft: I think Ill have to order another bag :eek7:  :lol8: Might have to send it to another address...my wife might think I'm hiding another bike from her again :imaposer:

No problem...give me dimensions and I will make one up.There are so many variations of luggage plate that it is virtually impossible to hold stock of everything, hence the custom option...same price.

I don`t know how old you are, but I`m willing to bet that I`m older than you and have been round the block a few more times than you, so think about this:  you buy whatever you want ..put it in your garage, but write a mate`s name somewhere on it. When your wife queries the item you just say;"not mine...it`s (say) Brian`s...he`s just keeping it here" ...works for me!!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Draadwerk on April 25, 2017, 02:06:59 pm
The "tool" bag I bought for the KLR is a few centimeters to small maybe you can have specific dimensions for a standard KLR plate etc then market it as such......just an idea :thumleft: I think Ill have to order another bag :eek7:  :lol8: Might have to send it to another address...my wife might think I'm hiding another bike from her again :imaposer:

No problem...give me dimensions and I will make one up.There are so many variations of luggage plate that it is virtually impossible to hold stock of everything, hence the custom option...same price.

I don`t know how old you are, but I`m willing to bet that I`m older than you and have been round the block a few more times than you, so think about this:  you buy whatever you want ..put it in your garage, but write a mate`s name somewhere on it. When your wife queries the item you just say;"not mine...it`s (say) Brian`s...he`s just keeping it here" ...works for me!!

Nope - won't work - wife will call my bluff and say I'll go and deliver at Brian's for you tomorrow morning...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 25, 2017, 02:14:37 pm
The "tool" bag I bought for the KLR is a few centimeters to small maybe you can have specific dimensions for a standard KLR plate etc then market it as such......just an idea :thumleft: I think Ill have to order another bag :eek7:  :lol8: Might have to send it to another address...my wife might think I'm hiding another bike from her again :imaposer:

No problem...give me dimensions and I will make one up.There are so many variations of luggage plate that it is virtually impossible to hold stock of everything, hence the custom option...same price.

I don`t know how old you are, but I`m willing to bet that I`m older than you and have been round the block a few more times than you, so think about this:  you buy whatever you want ..put it in your garage, but write a mate`s name somewhere on it. When your wife queries the item you just say;"not mine...it`s (say) Brian`s...he`s just keeping it here" ...works for me!!
Got that tee shirt :lol8: when it comes to bikes or prices paid or sold etc Lee-Ann doesn't believe one word that comes out of my mouth.... :lol8:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 25, 2017, 03:22:39 pm
Ha ha...I remember Lee Ann well from my Slummies days.

I had THE FOAM FACTORY & THE TARPAULIN FACTORY there and used to order shackles and cable from her...small world.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on April 25, 2017, 03:25:50 pm
Ha ha...I remember Lee Ann well from my Slummies days.

I had THE FOAM FACTORY & THE TARPAULIN FACTORY there and used to order shackles and cable from her...small world.
She's the branch manager now :thumleft: So I told her I'm going to stop working and just ride bikes for the rest of my life.... :pot:  :lol8:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 25, 2017, 03:36:46 pm
Ha ha...I remember Lee Ann well from my Slummies days.

I had THE FOAM FACTORY & THE TARPAULIN FACTORY there and used to order shackles and cable from her...small world.
She;s the branch manager now :thumleft: So I told her I'm going to stop working and just ride bikes for the rest of my life.... :pot:  :lol8:

I don`t think that is an unreasonable request !
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on April 25, 2017, 06:21:34 pm
Hey Pete, sorry I missed you. Our route worked out differently day to day.

A while back I got myself a Giant Loop Great Basin bag for a bargain price. Would otherwise not have bought it. Used it for the first time this weekend and it is one of the best pieces of equipment I ever had.

My only complaint is the zip up. It should have had a roll-top. That is something for the future to work on.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 26, 2017, 09:37:35 am
Custom made pannier inner bags (Touratech Zega 45litre I think) on client`s spec.
The same heavy duty Ripstop canvass with YKKzips(overkill I know) .
Zip positioning allows access to bag contents while in the pannier and gives a `suitcase`type access once out of the pannier.
Carry handles and straps.
R600.00 ex factory each.

SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: armpump on April 26, 2017, 10:44:37 am
very cool

Will keep these in mind

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 27, 2017, 07:10:34 pm
I am going to order later the year 2 x pannier inner and 1 x Topbox inner bag like that from you.
I will have to be home first to take the dimensions but I am getting a Trax topbox and then I have the wide 44 litre Trax panniers - need this for my medical standby's I intent to do from time to time. I am also the going to give you dimensions of my tent for a strong pvc bag as I will need to camp sometimes and it will need to be strapped on the backseat.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on April 28, 2017, 08:20:07 am
I am going to order later the year 2 x pannier inner and 1 x Topbox inner bag like that from you.
I will have to be home first to take the dimensions but I am getting a Trax topbox and then I have the wide 44 litre Trax panniers - need this for my medical standby's I intent to do from time to time. I am also the going to give you dimensions of my tent for a strong pvc bag as I will need to camp sometimes and it will need to be strapped on the backseat.

Excellent Tom....that`s exactly what we are good at. Let me know when you are ready.

Pete.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: dirt rat on May 01, 2017, 10:26:04 am
PK herewith my 2 cents worth- I have been using ortlieb rollbags for the last 6 years and would like to highlight why I would buy them again.
All seams are welded and not stitched.
Constructed from heavy duty pvc-dust and waterproof.
Have held up extremely well over the last 150000km.
No zips.
Importantly the bag compresses over the top and the sides to ensure the contents of the bag are very secure.
Unfortunately this product is hard to find in SA and expensive.
A locally produced equivalent would get my attention.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 03, 2017, 10:42:30 am
Thanks Dirtrat...noted.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 03, 2017, 10:46:41 am
I have had a number of PM`s asking about a copy of the Giant Loop bags.

While I think their and Moskp Moto`s designs are great I am reluctant to just do copies....in any event Mosko Moto is a very hard act to follow.

Having said that , we are working on something and as soon as it is available I will be posting pics here.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 03, 2017, 11:08:07 am
The more I look at the Mosko moto the more I like the idea.

You can leave the shell tied to the bike and just remove the bag you need.
(http://www.jebiga.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MOSKO-MOTO-RECKLESS-40L-SYSTEM-1024x450.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 04, 2017, 05:22:52 pm
I have had a number of PM`s asking about a copy of the Giant Loop bags.

While I think their and Moskp Moto`s designs are great I am reluctant to just do copies....in any event Mosko Moto is a very hard act to follow.

Having said that , we are working on something and as soon as it is available I will be posting pics here.

PETE.

If you do a GL or MM type bag in PVC you even got my attention here!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 08, 2017, 09:42:26 am
A nice pic from a customer...demonstrating the versatility of our 26 litre barrelbag. Will fit ANY bike, as long as it has a rack or grabhandles.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: armpump on May 08, 2017, 03:03:45 pm
The more I look at the Mosko moto the more I like the idea.

You can leave the shell tied to the bike and just remove the bag you need.
(http://www.jebiga.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MOSKO-MOTO-RECKLESS-40L-SYSTEM-1024x450.jpg)

Where does the dust and water go once past the "bags" ? 
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 08, 2017, 05:19:04 pm
A nice pic from a customer...demonstrating the versatility of our 26 litre barrelbag. Will fit ANY bike, as long as it has a rack or grabhandles.

That Speed tipple!!  :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on May 08, 2017, 08:42:21 pm
The more I look at the Mosko moto the more I like the idea.

You can leave the shell tied to the bike and just remove the bag you need.
(http://www.jebiga.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MOSKO-MOTO-RECKLESS-40L-SYSTEM-1024x450.jpg)

Where does the dust and water go once past the "bags" ?

Out, there is a hole at the bottom. The inner bags are water/dustproof. No different from let's say ATG waterproof saddlebags, but much more flexible and doesn't require racks
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 12, 2017, 09:02:28 am
3 MONTHS SINCE THE FIRST POST ON THIS THREAD.

To be honest, I`m very pleased with our progress: over 100 bags of various desigs sold and over 5000 views of this thread (ok...1000 was me checking..)

We have evolved and are making good functional products and selling them at prices nobody can bitch about.

New products are being developed, but we will not be rushed into marketing any product / design until we are totally happy with what we are selling.

A big "THANK YOU" to those who have supported us to date.

Check out the Vendor Specials for a few specials to celebrete this milestone.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 17, 2017, 09:35:14 am
I have had a number of PM`s and watsap messages asking why I have been so quiet on this thread. Truth is I don`t want to bore everyone with trivia and will also post new products as they are developed, but this takes time.
The other pleasant reality is that we are busy and needing to increase our production capacity to meed the increasing demand, so I`m not punting NOMAD products as hard here as I was before.

Then of course I need to do product testing and R & D which is most pleasant.

PETE
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 17, 2017, 10:03:20 am
Where is this dry riverbed?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 17, 2017, 03:18:12 pm
Where is this dry riverbed?

Between Klaarstroom and Willowmore.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 18, 2017, 08:03:56 am
Where is this dry riverbed?

Between Klaarstroom and Willowmore.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on May 19, 2017, 08:36:10 am
Here is another possible product:

Would have loved something similar for winter commuting. Maybe not as big but something which fit over the hand guards and extend a bit up and down just to keep the direct cold airflow off my hands hands and fingers.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/a579307aad53e6c58ee38f639b572af1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/91436e5d49ec7bac7b473c013d9da127.jpg)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Ryderod on May 19, 2017, 09:09:53 am
Here is another possible product:

Would have loved something similar for winter commuting. Maybe not as big but something which fit over the hand guards and extend a bit up and down just to keep the direct cold airflow off my hands hands and fingers.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/a579307aad53e6c58ee38f639b572af1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/91436e5d49ec7bac7b473c013d9da127.jpg)

Yes please
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on May 19, 2017, 10:20:55 am
Here is another possible product:

Would have loved something similar for winter commuting. Maybe not as big but something which fit over the hand guards and extend a bit up and down just to keep the direct cold airflow off my hands hands and fingers.


As a Universal mitten designed to fit over different size handle bars and covers, it works just well. Any smaller and it will loose its effectiveness.

Brilliant product.

Pete, as I said earlier regarding the GL bag. The design should be the same snug fit, except to make it a 37L roll  top.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 19, 2017, 01:02:42 pm
Ha.....Gerrard,
As we speak the first prototype is back for some modifications but the response from the locals here at the epicentre of the universe is VERY positive.

Needs a bit of tweaking and changes in the contact surfaces but looking very promising......pics will follow shortly.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on May 19, 2017, 01:06:44 pm
Ha.....Gerrard,
As we speak the first prototype is back for some modifications but the response from the locals here at the epicentre of the universe is VERY positive.

Needs a bit of tweaking and changes in the contact surfaces but looking very promising......pics will follow shortly.

Very interested to see how you did it, and to see if you can modify mine to a roll top.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 19, 2017, 02:57:12 pm
OK...the first fitting of a "u" type bag.

Will also be doing a bigger volume model but there seems to be more interest in the smaller, more compact type that can have a tailpack or barrelbag as an optional fitting at the same time so that is our focus for now.

The bigger volume bag in the "U" shape WILL be forthcoming....let`s just get this one right first !!

I am personally amped to test this model as it appeals to my type of riding with the weight in front of the rear axle , low down and snug against the bike.

WATCH THIS SPACE !!

NOMAD :  SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on May 19, 2017, 03:05:06 pm
Yes please, now we're talking  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Rickus on May 19, 2017, 03:37:58 pm
Daarsdit nou !!!!....
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 19, 2017, 09:21:11 pm
The pic in the post earlier today was just a prototype, but we should have finalized all issues...including pricing and have them ready for the market by the end of next week.

Please don`t watsap or P.M. me with requests about price...I don`t know yet!

THERE MIGHT BE SOME GOOD DEALS ON OPENING SPECIALS.....WATCH THIS SPACE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on May 19, 2017, 09:40:35 pm
The mittons .....that is just what I need!! Will order once you got more detail for us. Also keeping an eye on the progression of the bags..

Sent from my SM-J500F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Rickus on May 22, 2017, 08:08:03 am
You can put me down for 2 if it will fit the  950 / 990 without exhaust heat issues  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 23, 2017, 09:40:45 am
You can put me down for 2 if it will fit the  950 / 990 without exhaust heat issues  :thumleft:

Hi Rickus

We are still developing the product but will not be manufacturing heat shields.

We are trying to develop something for plastic bikes and those without racks or crashbars and it`s extremely difficult to make one size to fit all bikes.
That said it is in our interest to get as close to satisfying all potential customers as possible and will keep you updated on this thread.

PETE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on May 23, 2017, 11:33:22 am
You can put me down for 2 if it will fit the  950 / 990 without exhaust heat issues  :thumleft:

Hi Rickus

We are still developing the product but will not be manufacturing heat shields.

We are trying to develop something for plastic bikes and those without racks or crashbars and it`s extremely difficult to make one size to fit all bikes.
That said it is in our interest to get as close to satisfying all potential customers as possible and will keep you updated on this thread.

PETE.

Make the seat over part adjustable with valcro
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 24, 2017, 04:09:48 pm
You can put me down for 2 if it will fit the  950 / 990 without exhaust heat issues  :thumleft:

Hi Rickus

We are still developing the product but will not be manufacturing heat shields.

We are trying to develop something for plastic bikes and those without racks or crashbars and it`s extremely difficult to make one size to fit all bikes.
That said it is in our interest to get as close to satisfying all potential customers as possible and will keep you updated on this thread.

PETE.

Make the seat over part adjustable with valcro

Your point is valid Gerrard but I don`t want to do it on this model as the target market for these generally have seat that are narrow and the whole purpose is to give the rider the option of being able to use the whole seat on more technical terrain without catching your pants on a double layer of velcro and material.


We will be using velcro on the bigger soft panniers which will be aimed at the bigger D/S bikes.
We will get to a prototype in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on May 29, 2017, 02:59:43 pm
Internal soft bags for hard panniers / topboxes.
R650.00 each and made to fit your pannier exactly. I just need the measurements from you.
Easy access to pannier contents when on the bike via the double zip system and access to contents via a 3rd zip (like a suitcase) when removed from the pannier box.

Same lifetime guarantee as all our products....

SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Fudmucker on June 04, 2017, 05:50:24 pm
 :thumleft: all of the above!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on June 12, 2017, 11:12:46 am
We have been off the radar a bit as we have a few new products we will be launching shortly as well as the finalization of the website.
In the meantime we are slowly managing to build up stock of the popular items, which is not always easy as we are busy with custom bags virtually on a daily basis...like this very bright set of bags: a 38litre barrelbag and a tentbag made to the customer`s specs.

SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL....AFFORDABLE...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: m0lt3n on June 12, 2017, 02:16:58 pm
Tentbag!!!!

you will be getting PM shortly, I need that as well, just need to go take some measurements and see if mine was really as bad as I remember it to be!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on June 12, 2017, 04:11:54 pm
Tentbag!!!!

you will be getting PM shortly, I need that as well, just need to go take some measurements and see if mine was really as bad as I remember it to be!

Just a suggestion : make the new one slightly bigger than the tentbag that the tent came in. It`s almost impossible to get them to fit back into those bags once you have unpacked it for the first time.

Come back to me with sizes. Should be R300.00....PVC or Ripstop canvass.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sandvreter on June 18, 2017, 01:08:20 pm
OK...the first fitting of a "u" type bag.

Will also be doing a bigger volume model but there seems to be more interest in the smaller, more compact type that can have a tailpack or barrelbag as an optional fitting at the same time so that is our focus for now.

The bigger volume bag in the "U" shape WILL be forthcoming....let`s just get this one right first !!

I am personally amped to test this model as it appeals to my type of riding with the weight in front of the rear axle , low down and snug against the bike.

WATCH THIS SPACE !!

NOMAD :  SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...

Hi Pete.
What happened to these protoypes?
Are they available yet? Very interested.

@Xpat: please sell me that Mosko Moto Reckless, am sure you dont use it anymore. What a nice damn setup!  :drif:  :drif:  :drif:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on June 21, 2017, 09:52:47 am
Phew...6900 -odd views of this thread and wonderfull input all round!  the next step in this NOMAD journey about to begin and then the real proof of the pudding will be in the eating : WEBSITE GOING LIVE IN THE NEXT 2 DAYS.....watch this space.

We have put quite a bit of effort into keeping it simple and user-friendly. I will post a link here once it`s up and running and all previous customers should also get an email to the same effect....take a peek and tell us what you think.

PETE
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on June 22, 2017, 08:06:41 pm
OK...here we go : check out the attached link and please let me have feedback, either here or in the comments section on the site.

 https://www.nomadgear.co.za/

Please enter your details in the appropriate section on the site to be notified of specials, new products and product reviews.

As always, I am still available on my cell or email for queries.

NOMAD : ...SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on June 26, 2017, 11:32:40 am
Nice website, will keep an eye  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on June 29, 2017, 02:16:36 pm
OK...site is up, running and reasonably user-friendly.

To help us streamline orders and not to drop any balls PLEASE PLACE ALL ORDERS VIA THE ONLINE SHOP.

CLICK ON THIS LINK AND FOLLOW YOUR NOSE !!

https;//www.nomadgear.co.za

If you are really stuck call me on 0823578842


Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 05, 2017, 12:52:37 pm
Made up two fuel carrier`s to Rickus`s specs. Pretty functional..he wants to carry 4 x 2litre coke bottles with extra fuel.
Once the fuel if used he disposes of the bottles and folds up the Ripstop carrier.

Quite a lot of `custom` requests coming through ....what`s on YOUR wish list?

NOMAD : ...SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Rickus on July 05, 2017, 01:29:47 pm
Looks great Pete....is gonna come in handy in Damaraland....now I can choose whether to carry extra fuel or water or both  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 05, 2017, 02:31:14 pm
Looks great Pete....is gonna come in handy in Damaraland....now I can choose whether to carry extra fuel or water or both  :thumleft:

Yes...came out well. Not a fashion item, but functional and simple and you are , after all , not on a breakfast run to the local Wimpy.
Let me know about getting them to Namibia.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on July 07, 2017, 08:42:47 am
What's the progress on those side panniers for enduro type bikes?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 07, 2017, 09:21:24 am
What's the progress on those side panniers for enduro type bikes?

I have a prototype I`m testing this weekend on a variety of terrain and will then possibly get some riders to test them.
What we have found is the one size does not fit all and while the first prototype fits my DR 650 well it does not work satisfactorily on some of the other bikes, particularly with big exhausts on one side and broader seats.

They are all problems that can be solved but this takes time and I don`t have the luxury of doing this fulltime as there is not enough volume to my sales yet.
The other issue is that I can`t let half-baked product onto the market as there will be a ton of wiseguys branding Nomad as `cheap local crap` and clearly this is not conducive to building a brand.


Don`t worry...as soon as they are ready I will plaster ads all over this forum.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Buff on July 07, 2017, 09:36:57 am
Great, thanks  :thumleft: Let me know if you need help testing them on a ktm690  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 12, 2017, 03:52:30 pm
P.K this has become more a vendor retail topic and as such I am moving it to the correct section. You will get more exposure in the correct section.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 13, 2017, 01:53:46 pm
SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...  this is the objective we set ourselves when we started out and is illustrated by our solution to flapping straps.

There is not much that irritates me more than trying to thread webbing through a cam buckle and then to stop the end from flapping and fraying.

OUR SOLUTION:  Cut the webbing with a hotknife to seal the end, cut the webbing at an angle to make it easier to feed and put a plastic triglide ( standard on all our webbing) on the strap. Just feed the loose end through it ...problem solved.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 13, 2017, 01:56:16 pm
Like so !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on July 13, 2017, 04:35:39 pm
Like so !!

When pulled tight it is it not going to be pretty unpractical to try and thread the loose end through that plastic buckle?
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 14, 2017, 10:07:52 am
Like so !!

When pulled tight it is it not going to be pretty unpractical to try and thread the loose end through that plastic buckle?

Nah boet...we DO try these things before we sell them!
If you are creating a lot of tension you just thread it thru the triglide after the cam buckle, then tension the cam buckle and take up the slack by sliding the triglide away from the buckle.
Easy peasy !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 17, 2017, 08:26:57 pm
More often than not some of our best ideas come from client requests for custom items.
The end product is often a collaborative effort to mesh their ideas and / or expectations with our suggestions ito practical application.

This water/ fuel carrier idea is a classic example.
We spent a lot of time refining the original request and came up with this.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 17, 2017, 08:38:04 pm
OK...so there is a tailpack : 300mm x 300mm x 200mm(ht)
The client wanted 2 x1litre bottle holders on either side of the tailpack.
Our opinion was that this was fine if you needed them all the time(which you don`t), so we wanted the bottle carriers to be removable to make the whole thing more versatile. To achieve this we made up two separate, removable carriers, each capable of holding 2 x 1 litre bottles: on each of the side panels of the tailpack and on the top we put a velcro patch, purely to locate the bottle holders and prevent movement.
Multiple `D` rings provide further fastening points to secure them.

If not used, they are merely removed and a `patch` of velcro with matching fabric prevents it picking up all the crap that so often clogs up uncovered velcro.

NOMAD :...SIMPLE...PRACTICAL...AFFORDABLE...

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Post by: Ri on July 17, 2017, 09:09:53 pm
Looks like a good idea, well executed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 26, 2017, 02:24:47 pm
I have had a few PM`s asking why we have been so quiet and what new products we are working on.

Short answer is : "check out our website.."     CLICK HERE:    https://www.nomadgear.co.za

We are handling all orders via the on line shop which is VERY  user-friendly and easy to navigate.

Please take to minutes to register on the site so as to receive product updates.
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Post by: Maganything on July 26, 2017, 02:50:23 pm
got my 2no 28L bags yesterday.
Great service, great product! Thanks Pete and team!
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Post by: P.K. on July 26, 2017, 02:56:47 pm
Thanks Scott....appreciate the feedback.
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Post by: Fudmucker on July 26, 2017, 08:33:52 pm
Like so !!


(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=205960.0;attach=549727;image)


PK, if you loop the strap over the lever as you have done, tension on the strap can apply enough pressure on the lever to release cam and thereby the strap.
It would be better to slide the triglide further along until it is just behind the leading end, then to turn the strap back under the triglide to stop flapping.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on July 28, 2017, 11:59:05 am
JA...POINT TAKEN
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 02, 2017, 09:12:56 am
The quest to develop some simple, but functional panniers continues...

After months of stuffing around and trying out different designs I scrapped them all and started from scratch with my DR 650.

My opinion is that a `one-size-fits-all` approach will not work for the bikes without luggage racks, so this is aimed at the DR, KTM690, XR650 and similar bikes.

The other rider that I need to add is that I gravitate to designing luggage that works for me and the way I travel, so it may not suit everyone`s idea of adventure bike soft luggage.

The core of this design is a `yoke` / `harness` that is custom made to fit over the seat, reinforced with webbing that pulls in a direct line between the securing points....this allows a decent fit and makes it strong.

Like so...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 02, 2017, 09:27:37 am
After that the pockets / pannier bags can be attached according to client`s requirements.

For me I do not want huge volume. I want the weight low down , reasonably close to the bike and ahead of the rear axle.

Like so...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 02, 2017, 09:35:21 am
The net result is a system that works for me and is SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL ...AFFORDABLE....as per the NOMAD mantra.

The system allows you to use you whole seat in technical terrain, yet also allows a tailpack / barrelbag to be used in conjunction with it.

A big plus for me is that I can stand on the pegs and move around on the bike without the back of my legs hitting the pannier bag.

WATCH THIS SPACE...or go to https://www.nomadgear.co.za and register your details to recieve product details and updates.

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Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on August 02, 2017, 09:59:56 am
Great  :thumleft:  I see you are getting to what we originally requested/discussed.

You can now also have an option open at the top like the mosko moto bags to fit another bag.

Those ones above look slightly small. About 2-3 2l coke bottles should be a good small size.
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Post by: P.K. on August 02, 2017, 03:59:11 pm
Great  :thumleft:  I see you are getting to what we originally requested/discussed.

You can now also have an option open at the top like the mosko moto bags to fit another bag.

Those ones above look slightly small. About 2-3 2l coke bottles should be a good small size.

Thanks for the comment.
I spent quite a bit of time on this and if you want bigger bags on a DR without racks then it will not work unless you start adding heatshields or pannier frames.
This was specifically designed to go on a standard DR.....hence my opinion that these need to be customised , which we will be doing for the more popular adventure bikes.

Because our target market is CUSTOMISED soft luggage, we will make bags to fit pretty much any bike, with / without frames...but that`s a different discussion.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tom van Brits on August 02, 2017, 04:42:47 pm
I like it, especially the way you have 'reinforced' the part that goes over the saddle.
Looks like about liter volume per side? And that to me is fair - all you need to add is a tent on the rear and maybe one of those squire tool bags for the spare tube and stuff.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Rickus on August 02, 2017, 06:00:32 pm
I tested out the gear I got from Pete today, and could not be any happier with it....I think this setup (especially bottle carrier) is going to work a treat in Kaokoland
 :thumleft: GREAT SERVICE  :thumleft:
(http://i.imgur.com/nM7xTw5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ptwtRGG.jpg)

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 02, 2017, 06:26:28 pm
BEFOK..!

Thanks for the comliment and the pic. Looks great.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 03, 2017, 11:00:41 am
I like it, especially the way you have 'reinforced' the part that goes over the saddle.
Looks like about liter volume per side? And that to me is fair - all you need to add is a tent on the rear and maybe one of those squire tool bags for the spare tube and stuff.

Thanks Tom.
I designed this for what I want and it`s perfect for ME...everyone has their own requirements, but the principle is the same.
I can put spare tubes in the which are always heavy and take up space...as well as stove and a few tins. The rest of them I fill withe small clothing items, etc.

I can still use a barrelbag accross the rack and my tent accross the seat with room to spare.
If I really still need space there is enough room to still wear a small daypack, although you them can`t move back and forward on the seat as much as I personally like.

My plan is to do the same for the 640,690 and XR...and any other bike on request.

I hate making substandard stuff and this one ticks all the boxes for me ito functionality and toughness.
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Post by: Advrider on August 13, 2017, 07:09:03 am
Great products like to see how a business grow and better it self well done.
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Post by: P.K. on August 13, 2017, 06:52:30 pm
Thanks boet...always nice to get positive feedback.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 13, 2017, 07:13:20 pm
DR softluggage prototype testing !! ....in the DR`s natural habitat.

VERY hapy with the design and functionality.

We hope to replicate this design for other bikes now.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on August 14, 2017, 12:49:06 pm
Don't you have an opening for a product tester :lol8: you get to have all the fun :thumleft:
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Post by: P.K. on August 15, 2017, 09:52:33 am
Don't you have an opening for a product tester :lol8: you get to have all the fun :thumleft:

Ha Ha...you not the first to ask......
Sorry boet . I take the responsibility VERY seriously and feel that I need to test each product personally.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on August 17, 2017, 10:04:08 am
Don't you have an opening for a product tester :lol8: you get to have all the fun :thumleft:

Ha Ha...you not the first to ask......
Sorry boet . I take the responsibility VERY seriously and feel that I need to test each product personally.
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on August 26, 2017, 06:45:50 am
So Pete asked me for a “bag” report I humbly obliged reflecting on the rollie bag (around 40l) and how it performed in Lesotho. The ride report can be found here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=213876.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=213876.0)

Shortly before the trip I discussed a tail bag option with Pete. Having blown a substantial amount of money on getting ready for the trip that last few hundred ronds were the straw that was going to break the horse’s back so I stuck with the rollie as my “on the bike” luggage.
It had to carry tools, tubes x3 (2 rear and 1 front), medical kit and a few other non-essentials later moved to the main bag (SW Motech 60l) which was with the bakkie. I only had to cart it from Joburg to Bethlehem and from Rhodes back home with one overnight at Notties hotel.

Like so

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/89acc0242b8f20193fe86d7c0bedcbd9.jpg)

I also thought I’d bastardise the bag a little with some cheap last minute adjustments like fitting 4 quick release clips stitched to the webbing with clamps bought at Outdoor warehouse and a roll of 25mm rope. These clips are useless and one broke off before the trip even started, luckily I had ROK straps and strapped the bag down good.

Access
As you can imagine I was the slowest because I had to untie the ROK strap and then only could I access the bag. The tail bag I had discussed with Pete would have worked much better as the bottom would be secured to the luggage plate leaving only a zip to open and viola. I like the one Martin has and will be buying something similar. Like so

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/16d8226051ecb997a7ced5341f8a63ca.jpg)

Weight
Loaded it came to 10kg. I left the compressor at home which brought it down to about 9kg and after chucking other things like gas stove and butane plus changing tubes it was small enough to fold the rollie to about half its size. The weight certainly made a difference.
When I tested the rollie fully loaded near Heidelberg military base (or something like that), the air vents (sharp ends) of the compressor chafed through the bottom of the bag and scratched the luggage plate. Thinking I’d stick with the compressor I found an old neoprene laptop insert around the house and used that at the base of the bag plus an old shower mat between the plate and the bag and have had no problems with chafing throughout the trip. The neoprene also showed no signs of chafe.

Overall
For the money spent, can’t complain however, I will invest in a tail bag my main issue being to untie and tie straps when time was of the essence i.e. I blame myself because it was the wrong choice of bag.

So we learn.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/613b35a9c50954d9924bb76f55d8e4e1.jpg)

Bike on the left

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/0276180dc3befa535b1c0e33c8f14075.jpg)

Non-essentials chucked and much smaller

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170826/32433851b4a5118676f135ed2be0002b.jpg)


Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 29, 2017, 01:23:57 pm
Thanks Tinus for making the effort to review your experiences with our bags.
I will go through your comments properly and respond here. This type of feedback helps us improve our product.

Nice to see my bags used properly, for a proper trip....
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Gérrard on August 29, 2017, 01:59:28 pm
I've said it before and I'm going to say it a last time. As tail bags go, the Kaoko is unbeatable. Only needs another pocket on the left where the handle is, and like the original, must tie independently to the baseplate. Many use it, so can't be much wrong with it, except the price. I asked for one the other day and there were four guys cueing behind me. When one popped up for sale it was snapped by a fifth guy. Price was R1k which was good.

If you can make a similar one for around R800.00, you will have a winner.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: TinusBez on August 29, 2017, 02:09:13 pm
I've said it before and I'm going to say it a last time. As tail bags go, the Kaoko is unbeatable. Only needs another pocket on the left where the handle is, and like the original, must tie independently to the baseplate. Many use it, so can't be much wrong with it, except the price. I asked for one the other day and there were four guys cueing behind me. When one popped up for sale it was snapped by a fifth guy. Price was R1k which was good.

If you can make a similar one for around R800.00, you will have a winner.

One of the guys on the trip has one and they really do work like a charm.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 30, 2017, 11:46:14 am
Your comments are noted...thanks.
The Kaoko is  a semi rigid bag....ie, if you put it down on a table (or luggage rack) it will retain its shape and if on a bike and even if only half full will do the same thing and not flap about too wildly.
My bags are soft bags with no internal framework, either hard or semi rigid and as such in my opinion need to be strapped to your rack OVER THE TOP OF THE BAG.

Your bag will never move or flap in the wind if full, half-full and the contents will never shift on a rough track.

I have made bags with a rigid base plate inside the bag that customers then bolt onto luggage racks, but then that needs to be fitted to individual bike racks.
My current design is universal and will fit any bike (which was my objective)...with just 2 x 25mm cam buckle straps. Now I concede that releasing 2 cam buckles might take you 15 - 20 seconds and then you open the zip, so in all about 30 seconds. In my opinion this is a small price to pay to make sure your tools or luggage NEVER move......and at R300.00 it`s reasonably good value for a very functional item.

I put quite a lot of effort and thought into my designs and try to strike a balance between functionality and price, but can`t always please everyone. I am a firm believer in strapping OVER any bike luggage...it just works better. Obviously this is why I am open to customers designing their own bags or method of fastening that works for them.

It is also one of the rearons I don`t use plastic side-release clips on my bags or tiedown straps : they are just not strong enough for my liking...hence the cam buckles that NEVER let go.

That said, if clients want to...and a few have, I will put straps on the base of the bag...no problem.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on August 30, 2017, 03:03:57 pm
Just finished a complete soft luggage system for a GSA heading for 2 weeks in Namibia. Pretty pleased with the result.
My instruction to the client: "go out and hammer them this weekend full of luggage so we can tweak any niggles that come out...."
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Post by: P.K. on August 31, 2017, 08:41:11 am
Comments and criticism welcome....give it your best shot !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 01, 2017, 01:02:23 pm
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
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Post by: ROOI on September 01, 2017, 01:11:21 pm
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
It looks Nice now how about this
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: 1190 on September 02, 2017, 10:08:29 am
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
I think it looks the business :thumleft: Does it go on both sides?
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Post by: P.K. on September 02, 2017, 06:27:32 pm
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
I think it looks the business :thumleft: Does it go on both sides?


Yip...2 x soft pannier bags, 2 x small barrelbags and a medium barrelbag.
Quite a practical setup for the trip they are doing.
Client (wisely in my opinion) didn`t want to use rigid pannier boxes on their trip to Namibia.
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Post by: adrekruger on September 04, 2017, 07:43:23 am
Whats the price on such a setup?

Looks practical.
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Post by: P.K. on September 04, 2017, 08:46:48 am
Whats the price on such a setup?

Looks practical.

R3000.00 included a Nomad T-shirt, internal bag organizer and towing strap.

Have a brand new Honda Africa Twin I`m starting this week from scratch and will post here or start a new thread to follow it`s evolution.
Spent Sunday morning with my client discussing his needs and wish list... I love it !!! ...a blank canvass to work on...WATCH THIS SPACE !!
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Post by: Maganything on September 04, 2017, 10:52:09 am
i like the look of those pannier bags on the GS.. well done!
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Post by: Exploratio on September 04, 2017, 04:11:25 pm
i like the look of those pannier bags on the GS.. well done!

Does it have a center strap between the two side bags?

Received my barrel bags today. Thanks PK
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 05, 2017, 12:16:10 pm
i like the look of those pannier bags on the GS.. well done!

Does it have a center strap between the two side bags?

Received my barrel bags today. Thanks PK

On this one I did 2 x 50mm webbing straps that are Velcro adjustable.
They then have 2 x  25mm webbing strap on the `outside` edge of the bag. This is tensioned last to prevent the outside of the bag `slumping` if it has a heavy load. They also effectively serve as compression straps it the bags are not full.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:29:00 pm
OK...as mentioned I have been kitting out a new Africa Twin to a client`s specs.

He arrived with a Rock Fox pannier rack sytem and luggage plate.

Very nicely made and very nice from a soft luggage point of view as it is strong, simple and the top of the pannier frame sits parallel with the top of the seat which makes my job easier.

The straps are part of my design and are easily fitted or removed as they are just slipknots formed bt the loop in the webbing..

Check them out.
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:40:32 pm
The client wanted BIG pannier bags and despite my reservations insisted on the size of  350mm x 450mm(ht) x 200mm(width).
My main concern was that if the bags were bigger than the frames, they would be difficult to secure to prevent movement.

Both panniers are supported by 2 x 50mm webbing straps across the seat, both Velcro adjustable.

Like so...
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:43:01 pm
And so...
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:46:43 pm
My main gripe with many of the designs I have seen is that if loaded, the bags `slump`down because of the weight, so I have fitted additional 25mm `tensioning straps` which are tensioned once the bags are fitted and loaded and this then shares the weight with the 50mm straps across the seat.

Like so..
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Post by: katana on September 13, 2017, 06:47:30 pm
OK...the first fitting of a "u" type bag.

Will also be doing a bigger volume model but there seems to be more interest in the smaller, more compact type that can have a tailpack or barrelbag as an optional fitting at the same time so that is our focus for now.

The bigger volume bag in the "U" shape WILL be forthcoming....let`s just get this one right first !!

I am personally amped to test this model as it appeals to my type of riding with the weight in front of the rear axle , low down and snug against the bike.

WATCH THIS SPACE !!

NOMAD :  SIMPLE...FUNCTIONAL...AFFORDABLE...
I like!!  Could some pockets be added for 2l Coke bottles for carrying extra fuel?  Edit:  One each side.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Ri on September 13, 2017, 06:50:32 pm
Agreed, looks good. I like the pop of colour on the straps.

I see the bag cover seems to only close with velcro strips. Are there zips beneath to close up the bags? Do they fold over to keep out dust or water?
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:52:13 pm
Sorry..I`m a computer klutz and posting before loading all I want to.
We will get there eventually...!
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:55:09 pm
Agreed, looks good. I like the pop of colour on the straps.

I see the bag cover seems to only close with velcro strips. Are there zips beneath to close up the bags? Do they fold over to keep out dust or water?

Fukkit chaps...I`m a 2 finger typer....take a depp breath and a glass of wine and let me finish..!
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 06:59:14 pm
So those take care of the weight-bearing issues.

Access to these large bags is by way of a double YKK no. 10 zip...the best I have been able to source.
As with all zips on any of my luggage, there is a weather flap to protect the zip from water and, more importantly, dust.
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 07:02:03 pm
Zips close to the rear of the bike to minimise wind-driven water.
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 07:07:42 pm
To secure the bags from flapping there are the 25mm black straps to the side of the bags, which secure them to the frames and act as compression straps if the bags are not completely full.
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 07:30:37 pm
Apart from those securing points, all the 25mm webbing, both vertical and horizontal has additional loops stitched to give maximum versatility.

Same applies to the `D` rings at the bottom of the bags.

And the end result I`m quite pleased with...and even colour co-ordinated !!
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Post by: P.K. on September 13, 2017, 07:35:13 pm
Oh...and the `tailpack` was according to the client`s request, 200mm high and shaped according to the luggage rack.

Difficult to show the operation of the straps in pic`s but have a nifty cam buckle system that only has to be loostened, not undone...thanks to the Rock Fox design....very efficient.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Ri on September 13, 2017, 09:07:37 pm
I really really like that tail pack!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 14, 2017, 10:54:57 am
Thanks for the comments and feedback.

If I have to be critical, I think these bags are a touch too big, but it is what the client wanted.

Starting a GS800 tomorrow , also with Rock Fox racks and will tweak the design marginally.

I will post pic`s...WATCH THIS SPACE !!
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on September 21, 2017, 07:18:12 pm
Ha...another project : GS 800 for Gabriel`s trip to Malawi.

Rock Fox racks made my job easier and we tweaked the design a bit on the Africa Twin we did last week.

Basic elements: 2 x 50mm webbing straps across the seat with velcro adjustments.
                          4 x 25mm (red in this case) webbing tensioner straps to prevent the outside of the bag from `slumping`
                          Black 50mm webbing continues from seat attachment right under the bag and up the outside to the `tensioner`....purely for strength.
                          4 x 25mm black webbing `compression` straps on each bag (2 per panel)...locates the bag on frame and compresses the bag and contents.
                          Top opening double zip system on each bag with weather flap.

The system allows one or two barrelbags across the seat and luggage rack as well.
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Post by: P.K. on September 21, 2017, 07:22:38 pm
Tomorrow we make up his internal `organizer` bags, Towing strap, tie down webbing, spare compression straps, Nomad Bike scarf...and Sunday he buggers off to the hinterland, destination Malawi...BASTARD !!!
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Post by: P.K. on October 04, 2017, 08:33:25 am
Gabriel on his way North...

Bags and panniers looking good with a bit of travel dirt on them and a bit of proper weight loaded.

Instagram details for those who want to follow him.
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Post by: Sandvreter on November 05, 2017, 02:02:07 pm
Very nice!
What is the cost setup on this last one?
Also if requested can you make the zipper protection flap on the side pannier different?
I would like a set that is attached to the sides in the same (direction) fashion as the two zipps, but split in half with descent (10cm plus)  overlap with velcro. The side to the rear will be underneath and the one from the front overlap it as I am sure I will get wind noise with it as the current design is, plus twice the water /wind protection for the zips while in forward motion (which I plan to be mostly).

This is getting good. Am very happy with my 2 bags from you  :thumleft:
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Post by: ROOI on November 06, 2017, 08:59:33 am
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
It looks Nice now how about this
Bump
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on November 07, 2017, 01:45:17 pm
Very nice!
What is the cost setup on this last one?
Also if requested can you make the zipper protection flap on the side pannier different?
I would like a set that is attached to the sides in the same (direction) fashion as the two zipps, but split in half with descent (10cm plus)  overlap with velcro. The side to the rear will be underneath and the one from the front overlap it as I am sure I will get wind noise with it as the current design is, plus twice the water /wind protection for the zips while in forward motion (which I plan to be mostly).

This is getting good. Am very happy with my 2 bags from you  :thumleft:

Sandvreter this setup was R650.00 per pannierbag.
I have no idea what you mean with the zips, but if you send me a drawing I will make it. May cost slightly more depending on how complicated.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on November 07, 2017, 01:47:59 pm
Very nice!
What is the cost setup on this last one?
Also if requested can you make the zipper protection flap on the side pannier different?
I would like a set that is attached to the sides in the same (direction) fashion as the two zipps, but split in half with descent (10cm plus)  overlap with velcro. The side to the rear will be underneath and the one from the front overlap it as I am sure I will get wind noise with it as the current design is, plus twice the water /wind protection for the zips while in forward motion (which I plan to be mostly).

This is getting good. Am very happy with my 2 bags from you  :thumleft:

What is your concern with the current design and what do you want to achieve with your modifications/

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Post by: Sandvreter on November 10, 2017, 07:07:10 pm
Little bit overkill for some maybe.
The sketch is rudimentary, but look at the wind / rain etc arrow direction/ It blow all the dirt right onto the zips and in strong winds makes that flap vibrate.
I just want the flaps to open same direction as the zip flap, an overlapping flap that is shaped more like a "lid" so it has edges or rather sides coming down a couple of cm following the panniers sides to just dust proof it more. The flap from the rear (orange) will be under the flap from the front (blue)  so it streamlines the process. The two flaps over lap and velcro. Velcro on the sides of course handy too and prevent dust and crap ingress even more.
The blue flap opens in the direction of the blue arrows and the orange flap opens secondary direction orange arrows.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: armpump on November 11, 2017, 09:10:51 am
Makes total sense but i recon hard to sew together
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on November 15, 2017, 12:55:39 pm
Little bit overkill for some maybe.
The sketch is rudimentary, but look at the wind / rain etc arrow direction/ It blow all the dirt right onto the zips and in strong winds makes that flap vibrate.
I just want the flaps to open same direction as the zip flap, an overlapping flap that is shaped more like a "lid" so it has edges or rather sides coming down a couple of cm following the panniers sides to just dust proof it more. The flap from the rear (orange) will be under the flap from the front (blue)  so it streamlines the process. The two flaps over lap and velcro. Velcro on the sides of course handy too and prevent dust and crap ingress even more.
The blue flap opens in the direction of the blue arrows and the orange flap opens secondary direction orange arrows.

Sorry guys...only saw this now.
you are correct to an extent and the last few have a flap on the 'front' of the bag that flaps over the top of the zip protector.
Will try to do some pics but we are quite busy at nomad and it is a sideline and not how I make my living, so time is limited.

As always, constructive comments ar ealways welcome as it helps us improve the products.

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on November 27, 2017, 06:50:12 pm
I really like trying to design good , functional, affordable bike luggage and I think I`m ok at it.
I don`t really do bling, but I try to keep that sector of the market happy by adding whatever trim they want on their bags....and to date it has all worked out pretty well and we have a couple of hundred happy customers, but my marketing was limited to word-of -mouth and comments on this forum.

So my mate Eugene Beetge who is an IT boff comes to me with a proposal that he helps me with my digital marketing. "COOL" I say..."go for it.."

The result is a functioning website and payment system that is wonderful as I am hopeless at admin.

I also gave him and Steve Coleman some product and a nice 8 day route to test the bags and take some pics...and this is the link to the first short promotional video which I thought is quite cool.  Turns out he has a ton of video footage and ideas which will be forthcoming in the next while on a range of bike-related topics.

Click here to follow...https://youtu.be/vNF35KDSVis

ENJOY !!

Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Ri on November 27, 2017, 07:48:36 pm
That is a really great video! Very well done and nice music too.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on November 28, 2017, 08:09:54 am
Thanks Ri.....like I say, I`m a technical klutz and Eugene put this together as well as a number of other video`s all relating to bikes and luggage. I haven`t seen them yet, but we want to see the impact of them on our marketing.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Die ware Steyn on February 22, 2018, 11:19:02 am
Here is another possible product:

Would have loved something similar for winter commuting. Maybe not as big but something which fit over the hand guards and extend a bit up and down just to keep the direct cold airflow off my hands hands and fingers.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/a579307aad53e6c58ee38f639b572af1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/91436e5d49ec7bac7b473c013d9da127.jpg)

Anybody knows where this or similar can be purchased?
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Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 22, 2018, 12:35:24 pm
Yes, we stock the BarkBuster product:


In SUMMER, you ride with original Barkbuster 'backbone' and plastics, and then in Winter, or say for a ride to Sutherland or whatever, you unscrew the plastic shield with JUST 2 screws and then fasten on the Blizzards...


Handguard features:Stylish fabric hand-guard design: lined with a waterproof membrane.
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Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on February 22, 2018, 12:46:41 pm
Here is another possible product:

Would have loved something similar for winter commuting. Maybe not as big but something which fit over the hand guards and extend a bit up and down just to keep the direct cold airflow off my hands hands and fingers.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/a579307aad53e6c58ee38f639b572af1.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170518/91436e5d49ec7bac7b473c013d9da127.jpg)

Anybody knows where this or similar can be purchased?

Those are R750 from Safari 4x4 (Bloemfontein I think)
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: ROOI on February 22, 2018, 01:39:27 pm
BLOODY HELL....NOT EVEN A COMMENT.

AND I WAS SO PLEASED WITH MYSELF !!
It looks Nice now how about this
Bump
Bump Idee
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 22, 2018, 03:29:38 pm
OK boet....let`s see what we can do !
What bike,what tanks?
Post a pic here or watsap it to me on 0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: ROOI on February 23, 2018, 07:41:44 am
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 23, 2018, 08:22:06 am
Rooi...send me your contact number and I will call you.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: ROOI on February 23, 2018, 09:27:19 am
Sent you a watsupp
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 24, 2018, 07:02:11 pm
PK, didnt you make a holster that can be used for coke bottles? Damaraland here on WD needs to carry tons of spare fuel for angola and some kind of tank oanniers solution will come handy. So i thought about that hokster.

Ta
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 25, 2018, 03:04:14 pm
PK, didnt you make a holster that can be used for coke bottles? Damaraland here on WD needs to carry tons of spare fuel for angola and some kind of tank oanniers solution will come handy. So i thought about that hokster.

Ta

Yip...made some the idea being for water or fuel and easy to fold up if you don`t need them.
Have made to carry 2litre or 1 litre coke bottles, depending on client`s requirements

Can customize the method of attachment to the bike or other luggags.
Works like a bomb.
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Draadwerk on February 25, 2018, 03:42:45 pm
So sak sal nice wees om aan die topbox vas te maak....
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Tony the Boney on February 25, 2018, 03:58:57 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: P.K. on February 26, 2018, 01:35:18 pm
Xpat I sent Damaraland a PM
Ideally you/he need to design what will work for the way you pack a bike.
I will work with you to make up a practical system that works.

call me if you want to discuss

Pete
0823578842
Title: Re: SOFT LUGGAGE....opinions.
Post by: Xpat on February 26, 2018, 11:53:07 pm
Xpat I sent Damaraland a PM
Ideally you/he need to design what will work for the way you pack a bike.
I will work with you to make up a practical system that works.

call me if you want to discuss

Pete
0823578842

Thank you Pete. I will leave it to Damaraland to specify what he needs for the trip. I thought the bottle holster was nice inexpensive solution for once off need.