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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: Warren Ellwood on March 15, 2017, 06:09:54 pm

Title: Finally
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 15, 2017, 06:09:54 pm
I was once told, if you ride a BMW, it is not if you will own a 1200, but when.

We’ll I’ve owned 4 BMW’s. F650GS, F650GS Dakar, 2011 F800GS and then finally 2013 F800GS.

I also spent quite a few years calling 1200's Volksies, I said often that I would never own one as I in fact had a Volksie when I was a kid. I even gave stick to any new member I had to introduce at a BMW Club Meeting who owned a 1200GS when I was silly enough to be called the Chairman for three years.

And now I must eat humble pie.

We recently were finishing up some filming work in the Hermanus area and we happened to have a 2017 R1200GS LC Full Spec on hand which my wife ended up riding from Gans Baai to Hermanus. She had asked me to stop before we went through Hermanus as she was very intimidated by taking it through the traffic etc. due to her not really touching the ground properly.

But no one else was aware of her request, so only us two stopped to change as I had her bike (another gent was riding my 800).

Well, it didn’t take too long before my helmet wasn’t big enough for the smile.

Firstly, what an engine compared to the 800, and then the road handling, just wow.

Anyway, I thought, well it has got the 19inch front wheel so the tar handling will be superior, so I decided at the top of Shaws Pass to head for Franschoek Pass on gravel.

Now I am rather particular about set up and suspension, gear lever must be just so, handlebars nice and high etc. This LC was in no way what I would call comfortable for me in a standing position……….but I had so much fun, this thing really is easy to handle, turn, the acceleration is incredible and the brakes are stupidly effective. They had to beg for it back when we stopped on the top of Franschoek Pass.

So, by Monday morning I had made the decision. Unfortunately, the Trophy is the only one I could afford, but now that I’ve run it in during one weekend trip, I am starting to believe my lack of finances may have actually benefited me. I actually prefer the Trophy to the Full Spec.

All I can say is, I absolutely love it, and in fact, I have already eaten my hat as I promised to do during one particular meeting, my friends made sure of that.

It has also since been well and truly "Rock Foxed".

Next up, Hyperpro progressive springs front and back, think they arrived today in fact.

Title: Re: Finally
Post by: BMWPE on March 15, 2017, 06:40:42 pm
 :laughing4:
Enjoy the bike and the hat  :)
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on March 15, 2017, 07:13:30 pm
Enjoy Warren and ride safe wherever you ride. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on March 15, 2017, 07:32:31 pm
Congratulations Warren, many happy km

Try it with the Rallye seat and you will feel like you are riding an 800 on steroids
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Frannarossi on March 16, 2017, 07:59:21 am
Congrats and enjoy the journey :thumleft:
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: MickeyT on March 16, 2017, 09:40:13 am
I jumped directly from the 650 GS to the 1200, and have not looked back.  I did take the 800 for a spin, but gladly gave it back and got back on my bike.

Many safe miles!
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Omninorm on March 20, 2017, 11:19:56 pm
Haha, ive been exactly in the same spot op.
So don't feel too bad.

Also now riding the 1200gs LC Trophy  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: krister on March 22, 2017, 09:38:51 am
Great story - well told!  Congrats on your bike and many happy miles!   8) :thumleft: :ricky:

Tell a bit more about the Trophy, please.  Why do you like it more than full-spec?  What was the price difference at the time?
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Laban on March 22, 2017, 11:07:29 am
...congrats...and enjoy


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Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Kykdaar on March 22, 2017, 11:19:22 am
Congrats :thumleft:

I have a feeling that at some stage, despite my general dislike of big bikes (having owned all the smaller ones at a point  in time: Funduro, the GS 650 and a Dakar), the progression to the 1200 might just be inevitable.
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Omninorm on March 22, 2017, 12:35:38 pm
Great story - well told!  Congrats on your bike and many happy miles!   8) :thumleft: :ricky:

Tell a bit more about the Trophy, please.  Why do you like it more than full-spec?  What was the price difference at the time?

I'll reply but the Trophy is cheaper (under correction but last I checked) R171K vs R205K for non Trophy. The Trophy loses the Electronic Suspension Adjustment and the Enduro Pro / Dynamic modes but retains Rain and Road modes. It loses the LED Indicators and Headlight.  The rest of the bike is the same.
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: krister on March 22, 2017, 01:04:37 pm
Great story - well told!  Congrats on your bike and many happy miles!   8) :thumleft: :ricky:

Tell a bit more about the Trophy, please.  Why do you like it more than full-spec?  What was the price difference at the time?

I'll reply but the Trophy is cheaper (under correction but last I checked) R171K vs R205K for non Trophy. The Trophy loses the Electronic Suspension Adjustment and the Enduro Pro / Dynamic modes but retains Rain and Road modes. It loses the LED Indicators and Headlight.  The rest is the same.

Thanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Omninorm on March 22, 2017, 01:20:51 pm
Great story - well told!  Congrats on your bike and many happy miles!   8) :thumleft: :ricky:

Tell a bit more about the Trophy, please.  Why do you like it more than full-spec?  What was the price difference at the time?

I'll reply but the Trophy is cheaper (under correction but last I checked) R171K vs R205K for non Trophy. The Trophy loses the Electronic Suspension Adjustment and the Enduro Pro / Dynamic modes but retains Rain and Road modes. It loses the LED Indicators and Headlight.  The rest of the bike is the same.

Thanks!  :thumleft:

I forgot something else...
Cruise Control, the Trophy doesnt have it.

I forgot since I've just always had manual jobbies.
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: BlingKing on March 22, 2017, 02:54:05 pm
I was once told, if you ride a BMW, it is not if you will own a 1200, but when.

We’ll I’ve owned 4 BMW’s. F650GS, F650GS Dakar, 2011 F800GS and then finally 2013 F800GS.

I also spent quite a few years calling 1200's Volksies, I said often that I would never own one as I in fact had a Volksie when I was a kid. I even gave stick to any new member I had to introduce at a BMW Club Meeting who owned a 1200GS when I was silly enough to be called the Chairman for three years.

And now I must eat humble pie.

We recently were finishing up some filming work in the Hermanus area and we happened to have a 2017 R1200GS LC Full Spec on hand which my wife ended up riding from Gans Baai to Hermanus. She had asked me to stop before we went through Hermanus as she was very intimidated by taking it through the traffic etc. due to her not really touching the ground properly.

But no one else was aware of her request, so only us two stopped to change as I had her bike (another gent was riding my 800).

Well, it didn’t take too long before my helmet wasn’t big enough for the smile.

Firstly, what an engine compared to the 800, and then the road handling, just wow.

Anyway, I thought, well it has got the 19inch front wheel so the tar handling will be superior, so I decided at the top of Shaws Pass to head for Franschoek Pass on gravel.

Now I am rather particular about set up and suspension, gear lever must be just so, handlebars nice and high etc. This LC was in no way what I would call comfortable for me in a standing position……….but I had so much fun, this thing really is easy to handle, turn, the acceleration is incredible and the brakes are stupidly effective. They had to beg for it back when we stopped on the top of Franschoek Pass.

So, by Monday morning I had made the decision. Unfortunately, the Trophy is the only one I could afford, but now that I’ve run it in during one weekend trip, I am starting to believe my lack of finances may have actually benefited me. I actually prefer the Trophy to the Full Spec.

All I can say is, I absolutely love it, and in fact, I have already eaten my hat as I promised to do during one particular meeting, my friends made sure of that.

It has also since been well and truly "Rock Foxed".

Next up, Hyperpro progressive springs front and back, think they arrived today in fact.

You are in soooooo much of shite straat with this supplier in fact...........
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 22, 2017, 03:21:48 pm
I was also told the Trophy is lighter due to the non ESA. I cannot actually say if it is as I haven't checked but maybe that was stuck in my head and maybe it thus felt lighter :biggrin:.

I always thought I would be very intimidated by the size and weight, truth is when you're moving, you just don't feel it at all. It actually feels almost nimble, bearing in mind we are talking about plain old gravel travel here, the usual rough bits but no very demanding or technical stuff, so far.

I parked it at a gate, went to open said gate and a few seconds later heard my mates yelling as my new bike was making its way towards me on its own and fell over just in front of me. So having already had the pleasure of picking it up, it picks up much easier than my 800, or even my wife's 650.

I also got a fairly decent price as BMW had the whole trade assist thing and I was one of the lucky ones who got one of four bikes they had listed at an older price, think a batch the dealer bought in 2016. I also cannot say for sure how much I paid, the only stipulation from the wife was that the payment was not too change, well not drastically.

I also prefer the Trophy for its simplicity. I am not a fan of too many electronics, settings etc. I realize they all help and improve the ride / safety but too many buttons just distract me.

Anyway, its got its progressives front and rear now and I am looking forward to finding out the difference they make.




Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 22, 2017, 03:36:46 pm
"You are in soooooo much of shite straat with this supplier in fact..........."

Ahhh Denver, it came down to a choice, seeing Mikey, whom I ride with almost every weekend, with a long face just about every single day for the next year or more, or upsetting you just a little bit  ;D.


Title: Re: Finally
Post by: BlingKing on March 23, 2017, 08:28:55 am
"You are in soooooo much of shite straat with this supplier in fact..........."

Ahhh Denver, it came down to a choice, seeing Mikey, whom I ride with almost every weekend, with a long face just about every single day for the next year or more, or upsetting you just a little bit  ;D.

Forsooth thou doth utter with forked tongue.........Mikey is bigger than me, Phhhhhhtttttt  >:D
And there you could have had a free set of yummy shox to "test" and report on ..........
I am evil aren't I  8)
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Omninorm on March 24, 2017, 03:40:48 pm
I'd like your feedback w.r.t how it handles offroad compared to the 800GS if you get a chance.
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 24, 2017, 03:52:22 pm
Brilliant, Warren: i too overhead your 'jibes' S-O many times, that you must indeed eat Humble Pie!


But in truth, it is 'Umble Pie'  ;)  (I know you enjoy what is 'behind' a word/name...)


The expression derives from umble pie, which was a pie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie) filled with the chopped or minced parts of a beast's 'pluck' - the heart, liver, lungs or 'lights' and kidneys, especially of deer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer)[/b] but often other meats. Umble evolved from numble, (after the French (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language) nomble) meaning 'deer's innards'.[/size][1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_pie#cite_note-1)[/size][2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_pie#cite_note-2)[/size][/font]
[/size]It has occasionally been suggested that 'umbles' were considered inferior food and that in medieval (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval) times, the pie was often served to lower-class people, possibly following speculation in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brewer%27s_Dictionary_of_Phrase_and_Fable) but there is little evidence for this.[/size][citation needed[/i]][/size] Early references in cookbooks such as Liber Cure Cocorum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liber_Cure_Cocorum)[/i] present a grand dish with exotic spices.[/size][/font]
[/size]Although "umbles" and the modern word "humble" are etymologically unrelated, each word has appeared with and without the initial "h" after the Middle Ages until the 19th century. Since the sound "h" is dropped in many dialects, the phrase was rebracketed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juncture_loss) as "humble pie".[/size][citation needed[/i]][/size] While "umble" is now gone from the language, the phrase remains, carrying the fossilized word as an idiom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiom).[/size][/font]


Enjoy the bike!
Chris
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: TheBear on May 25, 2017, 09:25:11 pm
I was also told the Trophy is lighter due to the non ESA. I cannot actually say if it is as I haven't checked but maybe that was stuck in my head and maybe it thus felt lighter :biggrin:.



I have heard this too, but can the ESA be heavy enough to make a noticeable difference? 
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 26, 2017, 08:03:04 am
It doesn't make sense that it would Bear, its probably of no significance imo.

As for riding off road, bearing in mind we are talking about your average weekend out in the Tankwa or Cederberg, Klein Karoo etc. ......

It's difficult to put my finger on, but I can probably describe it thus:

In this class of bike I don't think the 1200 is in any way more capable than the 800, but it seems "easier to ride" if that makes sense. I just feel really comfortable on it. Little things like being able to turn it around on a single lane dirt road without putting my feet down or back pedaling the bike, I could never get that right on the 800 (lack of skill maybe), but on the new bike I can do it without giving it too much thought. I seem to be able to turn it much easier than I could the 800 as well at all speeds.

As I mentioned in another thread, I have also added Hyperpro progressive springs front and back and for me at least it has made a huge difference to the way the bike rides.

I suppose the test question is do I miss the 800, the answer is at this stage, no.

I also have it on fairly good authority that these Trophy models are being fazed out, so in a while you wont get a sub 200K 1200. My wife jumped on the bandwagon there and acquired her Trophy last Saturday. It is presently having all its bits fitted and more importantly, having the seat made a little lower so she can "flat foot" it.


Title: Re: Finally
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2017, 05:39:43 pm
I also have it on fairly good authority that these Trophy models are being fazed out, so in a while you wont get a sub 200K 1200. My wife jumped on the bandwagon there and acquired her Trophy last Saturday. It is presently having all its bits fitted and more importantly, having the seat made a little lower so she can "flat foot" it.

Also something that makes no sense.

I also heard that the Trophy is phased out as BMW states there is no, or a very small market in SA.  WTF!?  They were selling them faster than they could uncrate them.
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 30, 2017, 06:11:39 pm
So in future there would be only one model? The full package expencive one?
Guess then no more base model LCA's either?
Not a good move I think.
Title: Re: Finally
Post by: AlanDoyle on May 31, 2017, 07:10:47 am
I have to be honest here and say that I was exactly the same. I come from a racing background and just could not like a GS 1200 no matter how I looked at it. I used to think that it was designed for older men who had little riding experience and just wanted to ride a BMW for the Image of it.

Until Joel at Continental BMW here in PE offered me a demo............... a 2014 Gs 1200 LC full spec. What an awesome bike!!! Power, handling, comfort,just an amazing machine. So, I went and bought one, so now I am the old toppie riding a BMW 1200 GS LC and loving it.It's not a great off road bike, but makes one hell of a good road bike!!!