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Title: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Lunatic on March 27, 2017, 05:12:13 pm
I've kept this kinda quiet up until now while dealing with the matter, but everyone I've spoken to is quite astonished by this event.
 
I was riding my bike down Rivonia road and got to a construction site near the Gautrain and West Road. There was a flag lady present who had stopped the traffic whilst the crane overhead was loading steel rebars from the 15th floor to a dump truck. Being on my bike I managed to get to the front of the queue. Then she proceeded to wave the red flag so the traffic could continue.

As I rode past the dump truck i was knocked unconscious. 

Luckily I woke a few seconds later and the motorbike had not yet fallen over, and I hadnt hit a tree or any other vehicles. I had no idea what had happened as I hadnt seen any vehicles approaching me, and I knew I had left the cars behind me. I then realised that I had steel bars over my body, and a rebar had actually gone throough my protective jacket, through my work shirt, and out the other side.

So i pulled over to remove the rebars and assess what had actually happened. Then i realised the crane above that was loading these steel rebars had dropped a load on to me as i was riding underneath. My helmet took a rebar and is buggered and my right arm hurt like hell, where i saw I had been bashed by one there too. Luckily nothing pierced my skin.

The construction site staff would not assist me, and would not call the site manager. After a commotion Metro Police arrived and suddenly they could radio the site manager, who arrived 40 mins after the incident to take me to meet his directors to work out what needs to be done.

The site was closed down whilst i had to get the J88 statement completed at the SAPS as well as get the relevant medical tests wrapped up. The construction team thankfully have offered to pay for the damages to my helmet, jacket, shirt, and the basic medicals which is great.

I guess in SA we are a lot harder than in the States....where they would have been taken to court.

In my case its basically negligence I assume and I post traumatic stress, but far from the hundreds of thousands you'll see on TV and possibly not even worth pursuing. The construction team have however been very accommodating to date.

So glad I literally walked away from a freak accident.
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Post by: Lunatic on March 27, 2017, 05:26:32 pm
Some pics below
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Post by: Franky3 on March 27, 2017, 05:27:47 pm
Wtf. I have no other words. Shouldn't there be an investigation. It could have been a lot worse. You are very lucky.

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Post by: DirtRebell on March 27, 2017, 05:31:57 pm
Truly wtf! Glad you got away with your life!

Before you accept any refunds for damages, I'd speak to a lawyer first and get properly informed about possible options.
They could make friendly offerings on an easy way out.


Gross negligence on their side.
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Post by: Amsterdam on March 27, 2017, 05:34:43 pm
Man you were lucky under the circumstances.  For exactly this reason one is not allowed to be under a crane (those were the rules where I worked) and in an urban environment they should be even more cautious as the public in general will not be aware of the situation.  I am not sure who this should be reported to (probably building inspectors) and this site should be inspected and possibly shut down until they have the people, procedures and equipment in place to safely work.  Now you may have a good story to tell but this could have been beyond horrific.  Glad you are okay.
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Post by: NoRush on March 27, 2017, 05:34:56 pm
Wow, hopefully some good dash cam footage or eye witnesses ? Glad you are OK. Sounds unbelievable.
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Post by: Lunatic on March 27, 2017, 05:40:04 pm
The statement i wrote down did not align with the statement from all the workers on site that was taken under oath.

So they then retrieved CCTV footage from the hotel across the road, which shows the incident and aligns with my statement. They then dealt with their staff accordingly.

I have approach 2 lawyers to date, but both havent been specialists in this area, so are quite unsure about how to proceed. I guess i need the right team to have a look, any suggestions?
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Post by: Lunatic on March 27, 2017, 05:41:43 pm
Man you were lucky under the circumstances.  For exactly this reason one is not allowed to be under a crane (those were the rules where I worked) and in an urban environment they should be even more cautious as the public in general will not be aware of the situation.  I am not sure who this should be reported to (probably building inspectors) and this site should be inspected and possibly shut down until they have the people, procedures and equipment in place to safely work.  Now you may have a good story to tell but this could have been beyond horrific.  Glad you are okay.

Yes they ended up shutting the site down for a few days whilst the investigation proceeded. Thus the reason why they wanted me to complete the J88 and medicals quickly to avoid the longer duration of the site being shut down.
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Post by: Woestynhond on March 27, 2017, 06:20:54 pm
Shit! you were damn lucky! could have ended up real bad!  The rigger that gave that lift the ok should also be fired, well looking at the way that they lifted that bundle no capable rigger involved anyway! 
eish!!!!
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Post by: DirtRebell on March 27, 2017, 06:31:28 pm
On a lighter note... I see that piece of metal fell your GS flat, it almost resembles a Harley!
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Post by: Cracker on March 27, 2017, 06:39:48 pm
That rebar was lucky you weren't on a KTM .....
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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 27, 2017, 06:57:05 pm
Glad you're ok Lunatic, could've been so much worse.  Everything about what happened is so wrong from the contractors side.

I am however curious to what outcome you are seeking through a team of lawyers?  Make sure that the contractor registers a third party claim and ensure you are properly examined and monitored for the next couple of weeks, even months.  If anything then comes up as a result of the incident, you have the necessary recourse.
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Post by: Chairman Meow on March 27, 2017, 07:17:15 pm
Truly wtf! Glad you got away with your life!
Before you accept any refunds for damages, I'd speak to a lawyer first and get properly informed about possible options.
They could make friendly offerings on an easy way out.
Gross negligence on their side.

+1......these site take out huge insurance for cases just like these and worse..........if I were you I'd look into legal route...even if it's settled "outside court" ....might as well milk it seeing as you could easily have been dead................instead you could be riding away with a new GSA. :biggrin:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Bundu on March 27, 2017, 07:26:35 pm
Holy Shit! :o :o
You clearly have a guardian angel!

Glad you were not injured, seeing you could have been dead  :thumleft:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Omninorm on March 27, 2017, 08:22:07 pm
The statement i wrote down did not align with the statement from all the workers on site that was taken under oath.

So they then retrieved CCTV footage from the hotel across the road, which shows the incident and aligns with my statement. They then dealt with their staff accordingly.

I have approach 2 lawyers to date, but both havent been specialists in this area, so are quite unsure about how to proceed. I guess i need the right team to have a look, any suggestions?

How about doing it through the Road Accident fund?
You could also try the Personal Injury way. Don't say or accept anything right now I reckon tbh. If they offer to pay that can be sen as all they need to do.
I'm not a lawyer just thinking what I would do.

Contact De Broglio and hear what they say.
http://www.onlinelaw.co.za/home/

Glad you are ok...you are very very lucky.




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Post by: Adler on March 27, 2017, 08:38:03 pm
Bliksem glad you're okay


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Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 27, 2017, 08:39:55 pm
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Post by: Bundu on March 27, 2017, 08:48:57 pm
The statement i wrote down did not align with the statement from all the workers on site that was taken under oath.

So they then retrieved CCTV footage from the hotel across the road, which shows the incident and aligns with my statement. They then dealt with their staff accordingly.

I have approach 2 lawyers to date, but both havent been specialists in this area, so are quite unsure about how to proceed. I guess i need the right team to have a look, any suggestions?

How about doing it through the Road Accident fund?
You could also try the Personal Injury way. Don't say or accept anything right now I reckon tbh. If they offer to pay that can be sen as all they need to do.
I'm not a lawyer just thinking what I would do.

Contact De Broglio and hear what they say.

http://www.onlinelaw.co.za/home/

Glad you are ok...you are very very lucky.

yes, maybe send Ganjora a PM?
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Post by: blauth on March 27, 2017, 09:09:24 pm
You have a story to tell bro, one of your nine lives has been used up. Glad you ok.

I wouldn't let this slide. A few things come to mind:
- negligence in the first place.
- an attempt to cover this up.

This is not a simple accident.

Some advice. Every bit of information from here forward, get in auditable writing. I'd think hard about what you do next. A legal fight is long, tiring and there are no guarantees. Perhaps you should be looking for a skilled negotiator and take it from there.
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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 27, 2017, 09:27:48 pm
I am obviously missing something here.  What can be claimed?
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Post by: Omninorm on March 27, 2017, 09:39:20 pm
I am obviously missing something here.  What can be claimed?

In a nutshell - money.
Negligence has taken place and injured someone and their property.

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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 27, 2017, 09:44:53 pm
I am obviously missing something here.  What can be claimed?

In a nutshell - money.
Negligence has taken place and injured someone and their property.

Understand that yes, and assume that the intention is for the person that were harmed to be in a position similar prior to the incident?  But the comments here suggests serious gains from the incident, which is the part I don't understand.  :eek7:
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Post by: Kampies on March 27, 2017, 10:09:16 pm
I am obviously missing something here.  What can be claimed?

In a nutshell - money.
Negligence has taken place and injured someone and their property.
The next person might not be as lucky as you due to their unsafe practice. Slapping the contractor on the fingers will not do the trick.
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Post by: katana on March 28, 2017, 06:19:41 am
I have to agree. A lot of things went wrong on this incident. A lot of workers and safety officers need a wake up.

Glad you are ok!!
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Post by: Ruff on March 28, 2017, 06:59:26 am
I THINK what you could claim depends on the losses you suffered. If you have suffered a head injury, that will affect your future income potential, that could be a claim on top of the initial medical and damages, for example.
Even if you dont have a claim it is important to ensure that the company owns up to the fact that they nearly killed you and to make sure they implement changes so that they dont kill someone else. I THINK this is the department of labour's responsibility so maybe report it to them.

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Post by: steveindar on March 28, 2017, 07:09:16 am
WOW! And WOW again!

Man that was just too close for comfort, glad you dodged that bullet.  :angel12:

May as well milk it while you can, but certainly get the right legal advice.

Maybe zoomie's lawyer can help   :peepwall: :pot:

Good luck with that.

I see an upgrade in your future..... :toothy11:
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Post by: whitedelight on March 28, 2017, 08:25:45 am
Close call,glad you ok.
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Post by: m0lt3n on March 28, 2017, 08:49:39 am
Does not really sound like you want to push it to hard. Think I would be the same, you are sorted, maybe have it registered so you can still have them pay if more issues or medical bills pop up later, but then I would also probably leave it at that. Is it really worth fighting to pocket something out of this. Could be months of stress and drama going that route, even years.
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Post by: BikerJan on March 28, 2017, 08:58:05 am
I think you can probably claim for the injuries you suffered and the damages caused by the accident. To proof injuries which affects your future income is a long and hard, very expensive battle, and from what you have told it does not seem as if you were seriously injured.

I would definitely report the accident to the department of labor, as the Contractor clearly is not working in a safe manner. The Contractor will be taken to task to ensure a similar accident does not occur, which is what you want, but I doubt you will benefit in a financial way, as KTMKobus said, which will in any way be unfair and unjust to the Contractor
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Post by: Pullaway on March 28, 2017, 09:01:13 am
Glad you are OK! As I see it they covered your losses. I think you are wasting your time with the lawyers, this is not the USA. If you feel emotionally ruined, maybe ask the contractor to sponsor you with a few tablespoons of cement!   
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Post by: Dirty Boy on March 28, 2017, 11:04:22 am
Wow, glad to hear that you are ok. Someone was looking after you.

What kept your bike upright when you passed out ? Did it fall over after you 'came around' ?

I guess the cars at the front of the queue must have seen everything, did they stop as witnesses ?
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Post by: DIRT SKUNK on March 28, 2017, 11:11:48 am
You are one luck Bike
That rebar does not play around
I believe you should have redress? and damages?
best is to see a lawyer?? but that a whole new ball game ??
DS
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Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 28, 2017, 11:16:21 am
That is karma looking down on you my friend.

IMO you are lucky that you were not seriously hurt.

You are right, in the States they would have been sued for negligence all the way through to pain and suffering.. trauma etc, in SA I m not sure its that easy.

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Post by: ChristoffGS on March 28, 2017, 11:19:43 am
The Health and Safety okes are going to have a ball with this one...
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Post by: JohnB on March 28, 2017, 11:21:51 am
 :eek7:

Frame that jacket and shirt. You sir have a good story to tell.
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Post by: Lunatic on March 28, 2017, 12:09:47 pm
Wow, glad to hear that you are ok. Someone was looking after you.

What kept your bike upright when you passed out ? Did it fall over after you 'came around' ?

I guess the cars at the front of the queue must have seen everything, did they stop as witnesses ?

I was riding at approx 40-50km/h as i had just pulled off. The bike managed to stay upright for about 150-200m while i was out.
The cars saw, but it was 5pm traffic and a single lane, so no one pulled over.
Everything was recorded on CCTV from the hotel across the road.
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Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 28, 2017, 12:18:02 pm
The bike managed to stay upright for about 150-200m while i was out.

Keep that bike!! :deal:
Your story could have had a very sad ending. So lucky it did not. :thumleft:
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Post by: jaybiker on March 28, 2017, 12:59:37 pm
Lucky doesn't begin to cover it!  Profanity aside, even FUCKING lucky is inadequate.  :eek7:

You deserve at the very least full compensation for any loss or injury, plus a consideration for any possible future repercussions.

Beyond that, the legal minefield is beyond my knowledge but IMO, there must be some degree of emotional trauma, and some financial acknowledgement of that would not be undeserved.

Anyway, glad you came out relatively unscathed, that's what matters.
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Post by: Avontier on March 28, 2017, 01:23:49 pm
You are very lucky to walk away from this one. Collect your new jacket, helmet, shirt and medical expenses, -and then keep walking.

For a claim to succeed you need to prove:
1. Negligence
2. Damages
3. Link between the above
4. the quantum of your damages, i.e special damages (specific items -which they offered), plus general damages (such as pain and suffering, loss of income, etc).

You would probably have a hard time in proving sufficient general damages to justify the effort of taking legal action. You could try to squeeze a bit more out of them, but I suggest you then let it go.

RAF is a no-go, as there was no collision with another vehicle.
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Post by: Welsh on March 28, 2017, 01:41:09 pm
Lunatic, could you please forward me some numbers for tonight's Powerball you are the luckiest person I know. I have worked construction, I cannot believe your luck.  :sip:

 
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Post by: RobC on March 28, 2017, 02:26:32 pm
Lunatic, could you please forward me some numbers for tonight's Powerball you are the luckiest person I know. I have worked construction, I cannot believe your luck.  :sip:
:thumleft: Seconded... that was far too close for comfort.
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Post by: Mr Zog on March 29, 2017, 03:44:34 am
Luck?

Are you'all fucking crazy?  :eek7:



This dude was fucking UNLUCKY... to be hit by falling metal rods from a crane...  :patch:

Lucky to survive, yes. But to be hit by falling bits of iron? Fucking unlucky dude. DON'T stand outside in the next thunderstorm  :deal:  :biggrin:
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Post by: ZA on March 29, 2017, 06:05:42 am
Live to fight/ride another day  :ricky: good attitude towards the whole situation  :thumleft: calm and cool  O0
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Post by: JFE on March 29, 2017, 08:54:09 am
To live and tell the tale is pretty amazing, I work in this industry and not often someone get up and walk away from it.
Dept of labour will launch a full scale investigation according to the Occupational Health and Safety Act. If found guilty of negligence the company will be fined and in the event of gross negligence the site manager or CEO might even be given jail sentences. But that is all under the OSH Act and does not concern you as an individual.
You need to see a lawyer and file a civil suit against the operating company. Mostly the developers will distance themselves from such a suite as they will have a lot of pre-qualification documentation on the operating company proving them competent to perform the job within the legal framework. It is a tough one pin-pointing accountability and the guys with the ties are your only hope.

Best of luck to you, I hope you get someone that can really hurt them, the probabilities are just too high to except.
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Post by: Roadhawg on March 29, 2017, 09:38:11 am
Holy hsit man! :o

You are frigging lucky and unlucky at the same time. 


I often freak out about driving under bridges where work is being done and cranes etc.   I also drive a Wrangler which has a softtop on 90% of the time so I have zero protection above me so even a dropped tool or something could be lethal.

Yeeeesh. Thats scary.
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Post by: Lunatic on March 29, 2017, 10:11:17 am
Holy hsit man! :o

You are frigging lucky and unlucky at the same time. 


I often freak out about driving under bridges where work is being done and cranes etc.   I also drive a Wrangler which has a softtop on 90% of the time so I have zero protection above me so even a dropped tool or something could be lethal.

Yeeeesh. Thats scary.

Same as me...also in the wrangler when i need to use the cage. I often thought if i was in the wrangler that day i wouldnt be here....that helmet saved me big time. Who said bikes are more dangerous than cars  :laughing4: :thumleft: :pot:
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Post by: Roadhawg on March 29, 2017, 11:42:56 am
Holy hsit man! :o

You are frigging lucky and unlucky at the same time. 


I often freak out about driving under bridges where work is being done and cranes etc.   I also drive a Wrangler which has a softtop on 90% of the time so I have zero protection above me so even a dropped tool or something could be lethal.

Yeeeesh. Thats scary.

Same as me...also in the wrangler when i need to use the cage. I often thought if i was in the wrangler that day i wouldnt be here....that helmet saved me big time. Who said bikes are more dangerous than cars  :laughing4: :thumleft: :pot:

I'm definitely telling my SO about this next time she says bikes are unsafe!! :biggrin:
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Post by: Grrrr.... on March 29, 2017, 11:44:26 am
Ma se hare......  :o

You sir, are extremely lucky. I think you should leave the bike in the garage for the rest of the year. Your luck is all but spent...
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Post by: ChrisMann on March 29, 2017, 03:55:08 pm
Jeez Lunatic, maybe you're Superman but did not know it!
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Post by: silvrav on March 29, 2017, 04:01:17 pm
Wow, glad to hear that you are ok. Someone was looking after you.

What kept your bike upright when you passed out ? Did it fall over after you 'came around' ?

I guess the cars at the front of the queue must have seen everything, did they stop as witnesses ?

I was riding at approx 40-50km/h as i had just pulled off. The bike managed to stay upright for about 150-200m while i was out.
The cars saw, but it was 5pm traffic and a single lane, so no one pulled over.
Everything was recorded on CCTV from the hotel across the road.

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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 29, 2017, 07:40:00 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.
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Post by: Bundu on March 29, 2017, 08:29:04 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.


..... and if somebody got killed through negligence of the construction company?

we all realise that it was pure luck that the OP was not killed and not because of competence of the company..... or fancy appointment codes
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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 29, 2017, 08:33:44 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.


..... and if somebody got killed through negligence of the construction company?

we all realise that it was pure luck that the OP was not killed and not because of competence of the company..... or fancy appointment codes

What are you trying to say here Bundu?
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Post by: Bundu on March 29, 2017, 08:44:04 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.


..... and if somebody got killed through negligence of the construction company?

we all realise that it was pure luck that the OP was not killed and not because of competence of the company..... or fancy appointment codes

What are you trying to say here Bundu?

I'm saying that a company that fucks up, should not be afforded leniency, just because the worst didn't happen

if the OP was killed, which he could have been, I would hate to listen to a plea for sympathy because somebody is now in shit
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Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 29, 2017, 08:56:38 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.


..... and if somebody got killed through negligence of the construction company?

we all realise that it was pure luck that the OP was not killed and not because of competence of the company..... or fancy appointment codes

What are you trying to say here Bundu?

I'm saying that a company that fucks up, should not be afforded leniency, just because the worst didn't happen

if the OP was killed, which he could have been, I would hate to listen to a plea for sympathy because somebody is now in shit

Nowhere am I suggesting sympathy for the company Bundu.  Obviously I didn't make that clear enough.  The 'fancy' appointments as you refer to, is actually individuals that carry serious legal liability in the event of an incident/accident.  These 'fancy' appointees are dependent on a series of subordinate appointments, each carrying liability in their own right.

What I was trying to point out is that if someone has been in this position of dependent responsibility, their comments would have been more reserved, especially when it comes to promoting sharing it on social media for personal gain.
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Post by: Bundu on March 29, 2017, 09:05:21 pm

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Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.


..... and if somebody got killed through negligence of the construction company?

we all realise that it was pure luck that the OP was not killed and not because of competence of the company..... or fancy appointment codes

What are you trying to say here Bundu?

I'm saying that a company that fucks up, should not be afforded leniency, just because the worst didn't happen

if the OP was killed, which he could have been, I would hate to listen to a plea for sympathy because somebody is now in shit

Nowhere am I suggesting sympathy for the company Bundu.  Obviously I didn't make that clear enough.  The 'fancy' appointments as you refer to, is actually individuals that carry serious legal liability in the event of an incident/accident.  These 'fancy' appointees are dependent on a series of subordinate appointments, each carrying liability in their own right.

What I was trying to point out is that if someone has been in this position of dependent responsibility, their comments would have been more reserved, especially when it comes to promoting sharing it on social media for personal gain.

I understand appointments under the law - In my younger days I ran an electrical division in a steel plant with around 400 people and there were accidents and investigations, but that was what myself and my managers were paid for - we were paid to prevent injuries or deaths and accepted that
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 29, 2017, 09:12:24 pm
Ok, post it on YouTube, twitter, Facebook, wherever you feel appropriate.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on March 29, 2017, 09:18:03 pm

Get cctv footage
Upload to youtube
Get millions of views and money from youtube  :deal:

Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.

Kobus, ek dink nie silvrav het daai so ernstig bedoel nie.

Lyk of hy bedoel ipv prokureers en legal battles kan jy geld maak op youtube soos al die ander 'close call' en 'lucky to be alive' vids.

Ek neem aan 'n video sonder om die company of mense aan te vat. Maar ja iemand kan ook dalk iets optel in die video en dit te ver vat.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Bundu on March 29, 2017, 09:18:34 pm
Ok, post it on YouTube, twitter, Facebook, wherever you feel appropriate.

if "The construction site staff would not assist me, and would not call the site manager. After a commotion Metro Police arrived and suddenly they could radio the site manager, who arrived 40 mins after the incident to take me to meet his directors to work out what needs to be done." was what happened, I probably would have  :thumleft:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: silvrav on March 30, 2017, 09:44:36 am

Get cctv footage
Upload to youtube
Get millions of views and money from youtube  :deal:

Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.

all was said tongue in cheek as no one got hurt.

I am currently appointed as 16.1

The contractor was clearly not willing to assist, this is clear. All the staff giving false statements of the events that happen and only after the CCTV confirmed his story did things happen.

Contractors in SA are not being held liable unless it attracts attention.

secondly, it happened in public, and as per the law if you in public domain, be expected to be filmed. Your permission is not needed. As long as he states the facts and have permission to use the CCTV footage he should be in the clear.

lastly as  Slainte said its more on the close call kind of videos that circulates youtube and gets millions of views.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: 0012 on March 30, 2017, 11:03:37 am
now that that's sorted, post a link to the vid mr Lunatic!
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 31, 2017, 09:38:31 am

Get cctv footage
Upload to youtube
Get millions of views and money from youtube  :deal:

Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.

all was said tongue in cheek as no one got hurt.

I am currently appointed as 16.1

The contractor was clearly not willing to assist, this is clear. All the staff giving false statements of the events that happen and only after the CCTV confirmed his story did things happen.

Contractors in SA are not being held liable unless it attracts attention.

secondly, it happened in public, and as per the law if you in public domain, be expected to be filmed. Your permission is not needed. As long as he states the facts and have permission to use the CCTV footage he should be in the clear.

lastly as  Slainte said its more on the close call kind of videos that circulates youtube and gets millions of views.

Accepted silvrav.   :thumleft:

I do tend to over react a bit and take it too personal when there is a contractor involved.  The public perception towards our industry took a serious beating due to Compcom and our friend Wayne Duvenage also did us no favours with his Carte Blanche report, which is a debate the industry is not afforded to partake in.

Whilst some of us work very hard to change that perception, these incidents don't do us any favours. 

Anyway, however you wish to pursue this Lunatic, I'm grateful that you're here to tell the story, I wish you the best of luck and am sure that the outcome will be just.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Lunatic on March 31, 2017, 10:25:39 am
I am definitely not here to make a massive noise or expect a lotto payment, I just wanted advice as i have spoken to 3 different attorneys that all had a different approach.

The contractor has been really good and will reimburse me for the material damages from the accident, however it stated "full and final settlement".
After the accident with the post concussion I had a few days that felt like I had vertigo. Seriously wobbly especially in the morning, but the doctor said this would go away.
I didnt ride obviously, and drove for a few weeks to stay on the safe side.

I haven't had that sensation for 4 weeks now, but this morning I had it again.

So if I accept full and final settlement(which I am planning to do today) and at a later stage find something is actually wrong, I have no recourse, unless the guys with ties are good and can link the symptoms to this accident.
But as some of you have said, maybe just harden up...If it becomes an issue later down the line i can deal with it then. Its hard when we dont have a crystal ball to rub  :thumleft:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on March 31, 2017, 10:50:37 am
Pm on the way, give me an hour.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: silvrav on March 31, 2017, 11:14:44 am

Get cctv footage
Upload to youtube
Get millions of views and money from youtube  :deal:

Whilst not intended to defer the seriousness of the incident, nor condoning the actions of the contractor, I think your comment would be very different if you ever carried a 8.1 or 2.6.1 appointment, never mind a 16.1.

all was said tongue in cheek as no one got hurt.

I am currently appointed as 16.1

The contractor was clearly not willing to assist, this is clear. All the staff giving false statements of the events that happen and only after the CCTV confirmed his story did things happen.

Contractors in SA are not being held liable unless it attracts attention.

secondly, it happened in public, and as per the law if you in public domain, be expected to be filmed. Your permission is not needed. As long as he states the facts and have permission to use the CCTV footage he should be in the clear.

lastly as  Slainte said its more on the close call kind of videos that circulates youtube and gets millions of views.

Accepted silvrav.   :thumleft:

I do tend to over react a bit and take it too personal when there is a contractor involved.  The public perception towards our industry took a serious beating due to Compcom and our friend Wayne Duvenage also did us no favours with his Carte Blanche report, which is a debate the industry is not afforded to partake in.

Whilst some of us work very hard to change that perception, these incidents don't do us any favours. 

Anyway, however you wish to pursue this Lunatic, I'm grateful that you're here to tell the story, I wish you the best of luck and am sure that the outcome will be just.  :thumleft:

 :thumleft: :thumleft: Wild dogs wont be wild dogs without a good debate :)

I am definitely not here to make a massive noise or expect a lotto payment, I just wanted advice as i have spoken to 3 different attorneys that all had a different approach.

The contractor has been really good and will reimburse me for the material damages from the accident, however it stated "full and final settlement".
After the accident with the post concussion I had a few days that felt like I had vertigo. Seriously wobbly especially in the morning, but the doctor said this would go away.
I didnt ride obviously, and drove for a few weeks to stay on the safe side.

I haven't had that sensation for 4 weeks now, but this morning I had it again.

So if I accept full and final settlement(which I am planning to do today) and at a later stage find something is actually wrong, I have no recourse, unless the guys with ties are good and can link the symptoms to this accident.
But as some of you have said, maybe just harden up...If it becomes an issue later down the line i can deal with it then. Its hard when we dont have a crystal ball to rub  :thumleft:

See what Ktmkobus lets you know but i would remove the full and final settlement and explain to them why?
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Avontier on March 31, 2017, 11:51:10 am
I am definitely not here to make a massive noise or expect a lotto payment, I just wanted advice as i have spoken to 3 different attorneys that all had a different approach.

The contractor has been really good and will reimburse me for the material damages from the accident, however it stated "full and final settlement".
After the accident with the post concussion I had a few days that felt like I had vertigo. Seriously wobbly especially in the morning, but the doctor said this would go away.
I didnt ride obviously, and drove for a few weeks to stay on the safe side.

I haven't had that sensation for 4 weeks now, but this morning I had it again.

So if I accept full and final settlement(which I am planning to do today) and at a later stage find something is actually wrong, I have no recourse, unless the guys with ties are good and can link the symptoms to this accident.
But as some of you have said, maybe just harden up...If it becomes an issue later down the line i can deal with it then. Its hard when we dont have a crystal ball to rub  :thumleft:

Reject the Full and Final Settlement part, or at least limit it to the items paid out. You have a solid case for your special damages and you don't need to negotiate on it.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: XRRX on March 31, 2017, 04:07:54 pm
 :o :o :o
It was just not your time!!!!!!
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Geriatrix on March 31, 2017, 05:10:31 pm
Your medical expenses may be horrendous.

Do not accept a final payment, although I have been told that that is a meaningless term in situations where it is not possible to assess  future costs.
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Jughead on March 31, 2017, 09:44:14 pm
Sounds like you should be H8rlequin's friend!  :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: Quicker on April 03, 2017, 12:04:07 am
NorrE fok!!

They refused to help you or get the site manager, only after cops arrived they assisted…

You got bliksemed on the head with rebar!..if that rebar penetrated instead of blikseming you we would have read some horror story of another deceased biker…

You could have been skewered…a few centimeters and Wham!another horror story of a deceased biker...

I would seriously get a good lawyer and nail their sorry asses!!

Dit is net te maklik om "die handjie te waai, en sorry te se" en alles is vergewe…

Hoekom het hulle so hard gedruk om die J88 uit te sort toe die site staan…want hulle verloor geld…punt!

IMHO, all is fair in love and war! You had to cage because of head trauma, emotional trauma, "netnou moer iets my weer oor die kop"





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Title: Re: A crane dropped a load of steel on me while riding past - now what :)
Post by: landieman on April 03, 2017, 06:05:22 am
holy shit ,you're one lucky fellow Bundu.you should play the lotto