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Title: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 10, 2017, 08:35:10 am
Hi All,
Do any of you guys have the same problem?
All my previous trips on my new 2017 GSA was done alone. Yesterday my wife join me the first time on the LC to J-Bay for a breakfast. It was quite warm here in PE and the OBC shows 31deg.
On my solo rides I did feel quite a lot of heat on my lower right hand side leg but I thought it was just the CAT that was doing it but after yesterday I am not so sure about it. This only happens with highway speed of 120 and higher. My wife complain that her right leg was burning and I feel that even the right hand side grab rail was getting hot.

I found this on the Web: http://hardtxrider.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/gsa-right-side-heat-issue.html?m=1
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Redhotchilipepe on April 10, 2017, 01:19:41 pm
Yes, the 2017 1200GSA lc gets quite hot on the right side. Please report this to your BMW dealership and make sure they report it to BMW SA and not just explaining the reason for the excessive heat. They did "off the record" said that the problem could easy be fixed but against Euro 4 emission specs.  The more owners raise the issue, the sooner the problem will be sorted. I have tested a 2015 and 2017 GSA under same conditions and there is definitely a significant difference in heat between the 2 bikes. Cape Town dealerships have received a few complaints already. Their latest response:
 "As per our discussion this mail is to confirm that I have raised the concern with BMW SA Technical regarding your motorcycle exhaust temperature.
They are aware of the higher exhaust temperatures which is a normal characteristic on the 2017 1200 GS and GSA as of the Euro 4 emission specification and the larger catalytic convertor in the exhaust."
 

 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 10, 2017, 02:59:58 pm
Yes, the 2017 1200GSA lc gets quite hot on the right side. Please report this to your BMW dealership and make sure they report it to BMW SA and not just explaining the reason for the excessive heat. They did "off the record" said that the problem could easy be fixed but against Euro 4 emission specs.  The more owners raise the issue, the sooner the problem will be sorted. I have tested a 2015 and 2017 GSA under same conditions and there is definitely a significant difference in heat between the 2 bikes. Cape Town dealerships have received a few complaints already. Their latest response:
 "As per our discussion this mail is to confirm that I have raised the concern with BMW SA Technical regarding your motorcycle exhaust temperature.
They are aware of the higher exhaust temperatures which is a normal characteristic on the 2017 1200 GS and GSA as of the Euro 4 emission specification and the larger catalytic convertor in the exhaust."
Thanks, I have now officially reported it our PE dealer.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Draadwerk on April 10, 2017, 03:05:22 pm
My wife also complained about the exact issue. 2015 model had no such issue
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 10, 2017, 03:26:25 pm
My wife also complained about the exact issue. 2015 model had no such issue
Please report to your dealer as well. THX.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BLK on April 10, 2017, 03:34:17 pm
Is that not a benefit in the winter months?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on April 10, 2017, 04:16:17 pm
Have you tried fitting a BoosterPlug? Lean mixtures prescribed by Euro 4 regulations make bikes run lean, and hot. Making the mixture just a bit richer might just make it better - the bike prefers a richer mixture as it is at its happiest at 13.6 to 1 instead of 14.7 to 1 that it has been forced to run.

Jens from BoosterPlug comments on the matter:
"We already know that the latest BMW models are running even leaner than the previous years, and that they are less powerful at low RPMís. And I wouldnít be surprised if they are suffering from engine knocking (Pinging) in hotter climates.
 There is no doubt that they will be running hot with the extremely lean air/fuel ratio, and this problem will be even more pronounced on a hot summer day.
The small controlled fuel enrichment from the BoosterPlug will lower the combustion temperature slightly, and especially the thermally stressed exhaust valves will love the BoosterPlug :-)"
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on April 10, 2017, 04:45:01 pm
Same experience with my 2017 GSA.  Number plate melting.  Complaint logged with Donford CT.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Buffel B on April 10, 2017, 05:59:30 pm
My 2016 is ook warm aan regterkant, maar nie uithoubaar nie. Gaan die Booster-plug nie die fiets se temp meter beinvloed nie? ( op my vorige S Ten was dit wel die geval)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Draadwerk on April 10, 2017, 09:22:20 pm
How much is the booster plug? Installation?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 11, 2017, 08:00:02 am
Have you tried fitting a BoosterPlug? Lean mixtures prescribed by Euro 4 regulations make bikes run lean, and hot. Making the mixture just a bit richer might just make it better - the bike prefers a richer mixture as it is at its happiest at 13.6 to 1 instead of 14.7 to 1 that it has been forced to run.

Jens from BoosterPlug comments on the matter:
"We already know that the latest BMW models are running even leaner than the previous years, and that they are less powerful at low RPMís. And I wouldnít be surprised if they are suffering from engine knocking (Pinging) in hotter climates.
 There is no doubt that they will be running hot with the extremely lean air/fuel ratio, and this problem will be even more pronounced on a hot summer day.
The small controlled fuel enrichment from the BoosterPlug will lower the combustion temperature slightly, and especially the thermally stressed exhaust valves will love the BoosterPlug :-)"
Het klaar een in en dit het geen verskil aan die hitte gemaak nie. Wens ek kan by iemand n Akrapovic header leen om te sien of dit n verskil maak as mens die CAT uit het.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on April 11, 2017, 08:44:28 am
as far I'm concerned this is a design flaw with the GSA.I have had 1 trophy and 1 standard gs and never experienced this heat build up. It only happens on my new GSA.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Tradie on April 11, 2017, 08:45:43 am
Dankie tog!!!
Ek dog ek is die enigste newbie met 'n half gaar regter boud.
Ondervind dit ook met my 2017 GS.
Ek het dit ondervind toe ek die GS En GSA by Donford toets bestuur het. Met die Trophy, was dit egter nie die geval nie.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 11, 2017, 09:48:25 am
Dankie tog!!!
Ek dog ek is die enigste newbie met 'n half gaar regter boud.
Ondervind dit ook met my 2017 GS.
Ek het dit ondervind toe ek die GS En GSA by Donford toets bestuur het. Met die Trophy, was dit egter nie die geval nie.
Raporteer dit ASB aan julle BMW handellaar so gou as moontlik. BMW het my gister gebel en gese ek moet my fiets volgende week Woensdag by hulle he, klink ook of daar van die JHB BMW manne afkom. Sal julle op hoogte hou. Hoop net dit is n warm dag want dit gebeur nie as dit koud is nie. (OK, nie so erg nie)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Tradie on April 11, 2017, 10:01:57 am
Ek moet myne se 1000km diens boek vir volgende week.
Ek sal so maak, dankie.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on April 11, 2017, 10:40:41 pm
Gee nie veel om as die nommerplaat so bietjie meer hitte kry as wat dit kan verdra nie, kan dalk net goed wees. Maar as dit die Pannier beskadig is die hel los.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on April 11, 2017, 10:41:27 pm
Gee nie veel om as die nommerplaat so bietjie meer hitte kry as wat dit kan verdra nie, kan dalk net goed wees. Maar as dit die Pannier beskadig is die hel los.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 12, 2017, 07:58:42 am
Same experience with my 2017 GSA.  Number plate melting.  Complaint logged with Donford CT.
Jip, myne ook. Dit is soos myne gelyk het toe ek van Mosselbaai terug gekom het. Ek het nou n "staal backing plate" met n klein aluminium "heat shield" aangesit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 12, 2017, 08:03:05 am
Same experience with my 2017 GSA.  Number plate melting.  Complaint logged with Donford CT.
. Myne het al begin smelt met die standaard uitlaap pyp aan maar ek dink die Akra het dit dalk erger gemaak. Die Akra is defnatief koeler as die standaard pyp as jy aan hom raak.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on April 12, 2017, 08:38:51 am
my 2017 in vandag vir sy 1km diens en dit met die service manager gelog om ook te toets en kyk
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on April 12, 2017, 09:14:39 am
Sal julle op hoogte hou.

Dankie. 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on April 13, 2017, 10:21:59 am
How much is the booster plug? Installation?
Listed price USD160. I am keeping prices better than that as long as I can. Installation means removing some rhs panels, but it is plug 'n play.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on April 13, 2017, 10:23:45 am
My 2016 is ook warm aan regterkant, maar nie uithoubaar nie. Gaan die Booster-plug nie die fiets se temp meter beinvloed nie? ( op my vorige S Ten was dit wel die geval)
Op BMW's het die BoosterPlug geen uitwerking op die temperatuur meter nie. Dit laat wel die fiets bietjie koeler loop, wat goed is.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on April 13, 2017, 01:40:36 pm
So, I lodged it with BMW when my bike went for a service yesterday. they tested and confirmed its in spec  :sip:

Well at east its on record now
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 23, 2017, 07:03:56 am
my 2017 in vandag vir sy 1km diens en dit met die service manager gelog om ook te toets en kyk
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My fiets was toe Donderdag in by BMW en hulle het klomp fotos geneem toetse gedoen en n tegniese verslag deur gestuur na BMW SA toe. Ek wag nou vir terugvoering. Sal laat weet as ek iets hoor.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 26, 2017, 11:56:35 am
Received this feedback from them today:

Hi Bertie
Nee. Motorrad SA het Ďn ďGroup ComplaintĒ met Duitsland aanhangig gemaak en wag op Ďn hoŽ vlak besluit oor volgende stap . Sodra ek weet sal ek jou inlig.
G

So, look like we just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on May 10, 2017, 11:12:00 am
Any feedback from bmw

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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on May 10, 2017, 11:19:34 am
Donford CT phoned me yesterday and said they will sort it out at my 10kkm service, or I could bring it in sooner if I want.  i was in a meeting and didn't get any details as to what the fix entails.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 10, 2017, 12:51:10 pm
Donford CT phoned me yesterday and said they will sort it out at my 10kkm service, or I could bring it in sooner if I want.  i was in a meeting and didn't get any details as to what the fix entails.
I believe there is a National BMW Motorrad meeting today in Gauteng. Hopefully we will receive feedback soonest.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 10, 2017, 12:55:13 pm
Donford CT phoned me yesterday and said they will sort it out at my 10kkm service, or I could bring it in sooner if I want.  i was in a meeting and didn't get any details as to what the fix entails.
Very interesting, wonder what the fix will be. Can you please try to find out for us??
As far as I know the only thing that will fix this is to fit Akra or Remus Headers.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on May 10, 2017, 12:59:59 pm
I don't believe we should have to fit anything if it is a design fault BMW must sort it out at there expense

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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on May 10, 2017, 01:57:15 pm
yes please find out as BMW just serviced my bike and they said no fix needed  :patch:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on May 10, 2017, 03:09:42 pm
Very interesting, wonder what the fix will be. Can you please try to find out for us??

Spoke to them now.  Shane (?) is apparently not there today, but he will phone me tomorrow.  Will give feedback then.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Omninorm on May 10, 2017, 03:21:42 pm
I dont have a GSA but the GS and no heat issues for me. I'll make a mental note of it though. Going in for a servie later next week.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 11, 2017, 07:23:09 am
I dont have a GSA but the GS and no heat issues for me. I'll make a mental note of it though. Going in for a servie later next week.
What model is yours? 2017?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Africa_Sam on May 11, 2017, 08:38:40 am
Also read: http://bmwmotorradclubcape.co.za/1200gs-lc-heat-problem
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on May 11, 2017, 08:43:27 am
Rode the new KTM1290R Adventure last week and immediately felt ashamed that I moaned at Donford about my GSA's heat issue..... that thing will fry your manbits.....  Seems us beemerboys are either softies or we are full of sh#%....  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 11, 2017, 09:55:49 am
Rode the new KTM1290R Adventure last week and immediately felt ashamed that I moaned at Donford about my GSA's heat issue..... that thing will fry your manbits.....  Seems us beemerboys are either softies or we are full of sh#%....  :imaposer: :imaposer:
:biggrin: :biggrin: Ek kan met dit saam leef maar my pillion kla VREESLIK. Sy wil nie eens meer saam met my ry nie.
Het jy al iets van Shane gehoor?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on May 20, 2017, 07:40:11 am
Any updates from bmw

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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: boere on May 20, 2017, 08:08:37 am
Same experience with my 2017 GSA.  Number plate melting.  Complaint logged with Donford CT.
My nommerplaat ook moertoe
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: volroom on May 22, 2017, 08:00:03 am
Hi All,
Do any of you guys have the same problem?
All my previous trips on my new 2017 GSA was done alone. Yesterday my wife join me the first time on the LC to J-Bay for a breakfast. It was quite warm here in PE and the OBC shows 31deg.
On my solo rides I did feel quite a lot of heat on my lower right hand side leg but I thought it was just the CAT that was doing it but after yesterday I am not so sure about it. This only happens with highway speed of 120 and higher. My wife complain that her right leg was burning and I feel that even the right hand side grab rail was getting hot.

I found this on the Web: http://hardtxrider.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/gsa-right-side-heat-issue.html?m=1

Euro 4... these people trying to save the world. The leaner the fueling (close to 14.7:1 air/fuel), the more heat. The only way to alleviate (if true) is to add a power commander and enrich the mixture. That, or they change the fuel map at BMW, but then as said, it won't be Euro 4 compliant anymore.

If I were you, I'd go to BMW SA and basically tell them to load a different map if possible. Euro 4 does not apply to SA!

If that fails, I'd recommend this instead of power commander: http://sales.nightrider.com/AF-XIED-for-BMW-R1200_p_59.html
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on May 22, 2017, 05:04:00 pm
Hi All,
Do any of you guys have the same problem?
All my previous trips on my new 2017 GSA was done alone. Yesterday my wife join me the first time on the LC to J-Bay for a breakfast. It was quite warm here in PE and the OBC shows 31deg.
On my solo rides I did feel quite a lot of heat on my lower right hand side leg but I thought it was just the CAT that was doing it but after yesterday I am not so sure about it. This only happens with highway speed of 120 and higher. My wife complain that her right leg was burning and I feel that even the right hand side grab rail was getting hot.

I found this on the Web: http://hardtxrider.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/gsa-right-side-heat-issue.html?m=1

Euro 4... these people trying to save the world. The leaner the fueling (close to 14.7:1 air/fuel), the more heat. The only way to alleviate (if true) is to add a power commander and enrich the mixture. That, or they change the fuel map at BMW, but then as said, it won't be Euro 4 compliant anymore.

If I were you, I'd go to BMW SA and basically tell them to load a different map if possible. Euro 4 does not apply to SA!

If that fails, I'd recommend this instead of power commander: http://sales.nightrider.com/AF-XIED-for-BMW-R1200_p_59.htm
l

Just make sure that is compatible with the LC as it doesn't state so on the web
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: volroom on May 22, 2017, 09:06:19 pm
Hi All,
Do any of you guys have the same problem?
All my previous trips on my new 2017 GSA was done alone. Yesterday my wife join me the first time on the LC to J-Bay for a breakfast. It was quite warm here in PE and the OBC shows 31deg.
On my solo rides I did feel quite a lot of heat on my lower right hand side leg but I thought it was just the CAT that was doing it but after yesterday I am not so sure about it. This only happens with highway speed of 120 and higher. My wife complain that her right leg was burning and I feel that even the right hand side grab rail was getting hot.

I found this on the Web: http://hardtxrider.blogspot.co.za/2016/07/gsa-right-side-heat-issue.html?m=1

Euro 4... these people trying to save the world. The leaner the fueling (close to 14.7:1 air/fuel), the more heat. The only way to alleviate (if true) is to add a power commander and enrich the mixture. That, or they change the fuel map at BMW, but then as said, it won't be Euro 4 compliant anymore.

If I were you, I'd go to BMW SA and basically tell them to load a different map if possible. Euro 4 does not apply to SA!

If that fails, I'd recommend this instead of power commander: http://sales.nightrider.com/AF-XIED-for-BMW-R1200_p_59.htm
l

Just make sure that is compatible with the LC as it doesn't state so on the web

One should do research, I think it is conpatible as I've read of a few that fitted it to LC.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: YoungGSer on May 29, 2017, 12:15:36 pm
Rode out to Storms river today and when I got home I noticed that number plate is starting to warp due to heat. It's going for its first service tomorrow so i will definitely be showing this to the service guys.

I definitely think that they should load a different fuel map or come up with another solution. Saying that the fuel mixture is within parameters is irrelevant if the parameters are incorrect to begin with.


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 29, 2017, 03:25:59 pm
Let me know if anyone wants to give a BoosterPlug a try to see if it alleviates the problem. 1190R riders says it makes their bikes run cooler and air cooled riders report that pinging stops. I am willing to supply a loan unit.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: YoungGSer on May 30, 2017, 10:34:45 am
So after having a chat with the dealer this morning. They have stated that BMW SA is aware of the heat issue and is major problem on 17 models. Apparently the fuel mix is within parameters.

I have an Akro slip on so they said the back pressure is different than with the OEM. One of the  solutions they said is to replace the headers to remove the cat, but if you do that it will void the warranty ! I'm mean WTF. They are expecting a major recall soon though, so we shall see.


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 30, 2017, 02:57:56 pm
I have an Akro slip on so they said the back pressure is different than with the OEM. One of the  solutions they said is to replace the headers to remove the cat, but if you do that it will void the warranty ! I'm mean WTF. They are expecting a major recall soon though, so we shall see.

Ons sal maar sien ivm die warrenty. BMW moet net een ding onthou, ons fietse is nog onder CPA en jy kan dit nog terug gee vir hulle. Noem dit bietjie vir jou dealer en jy sal sien hou gou verander hy sy praatjies oor "Void Warrenties". Hulle is in groot moeilikheid met die 2017 fietse en sal uit hulle pad gaan om jou te help voordat hulle jou fiets terug neem en jou geld terug gee. Jy kan hulle natuurlik ook vir n ander fiets vra om mee te ry totdat hulle die probleem opgelos het. Ek dink dit hang ook maar baie van jou handellaar af, ek weet van hoeveel 2017 fietse waar die handellaars self die CATS laat uithaal het of Akra / Remus Headers aangesit het. Ongelukkig is die koste aan dit verbonde op die oomblik vir die eienaar se sak.

Ek kan ongelukkig nie die handellaars se name op n openbare forum noem nie.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 30, 2017, 03:19:45 pm
I have an Akro slip on so they said the back pressure is different than with the OEM. One of the  solutions they said is to replace the headers to remove the cat, but if you do that it will void the warranty ! I'm mean WTF. They are expecting a major recall soon though, so we shall see.

Ons sal maar sien ivm die warrenty. BMW moet net een ding onthou, ons fietse is nog onder CPA en jy kan dit nog terug gee vir hulle. Noem dit bietjie vir jou dealer en jy sal sien hou gou verander hy sy praatjies oor "Void Warrenties". Hulle is in groot moeilikheid met die 2017 fietse en sal uit hulle pad gaan om jou te help voordat hulle jou fiets terug neem en jou geld terug gee. Jy kan hulle natuurlik ook vir n ander fiets vra om mee te ry totdat hulle die probleem opgelos het. Ek dink dit hang ook maar baie van jou handellaar af, ek weet van hoeveel 2017 fietse waar die handellaars self die CATS laat uithaal het of Akra / Remus Headers aangesit het. Ongelukkig is die koste aan dit verbonde op die oomblik vir die eienaar se sak.

Ek kan ongelukkig nie die handellaars se name op n openbare forum noem nie.
Vergeet om te se, ek het geen "Heat Issue's" meer op my bike nie, waarvan praat julle  >:D >:D
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: YoungGSer on May 30, 2017, 04:34:47 pm
I have an Akro slip on so they said the back pressure is different than with the OEM. One of the  solutions they said is to replace the headers to remove the cat, but if you do that it will void the warranty ! I'm mean WTF. They are expecting a major recall soon though, so we shall see.

Ons sal maar sien ivm die warrenty. BMW moet net een ding onthou, ons fietse is nog onder CPA en jy kan dit nog terug gee vir hulle. Noem dit bietjie vir jou dealer en jy sal sien hou gou verander hy sy praatjies oor "Void Warrenties". Hulle is in groot moeilikheid met die 2017 fietse en sal uit hulle pad gaan om jou te help voordat hulle jou fiets terug neem en jou geld terug gee. Jy kan hulle natuurlik ook vir n ander fiets vra om mee te ry totdat hulle die probleem opgelos het. Ek dink dit hang ook maar baie van jou handellaar af, ek weet van hoeveel 2017 fietse waar die handellaars self die CATS laat uithaal het of Akra / Remus Headers aangesit het. Ongelukkig is die koste aan dit verbonde op die oomblik vir die eienaar se sak.

Ek kan ongelukkig nie die handellaars se name op n openbare forum noem nie.
Vergeet om te se, ek het geen "Heat Issue's" meer op my bike nie, waarvan praat julle  >:D >:D
Are those the stainless or Titanium headers ?. According to BMW, akro don't even import the headers into SA as it's not covered under warranty !


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 31, 2017, 08:12:08 am
Are those the stainless or Titanium headers ?. According to BMW, akro don't even import the headers into SA as it's not covered under warranty !


Black SS Ceramic Coated Remus Headers. You can buy Akra or Remus headers here in SA. The importers have both in stock.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 31, 2017, 08:16:27 am
After Ceramic coating was done by Powerkote.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: heti on May 31, 2017, 08:31:01 am
Fokkit... hoe kwyl ek nou op my lessenaar!   :drif:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on May 31, 2017, 08:44:45 am
Fokkit... hoe kwyl ek nou op my lessenaar!   :drif:

self...sal wag om te sien wat hulle met die recall doen, anders is dit om my lys vir christmas
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: YoungGSer on May 31, 2017, 09:34:40 am
The powder coating looks great. I think I'm going to try get a set of headers from the U.K. As they are probably a bit cheaper than here. The only other solution I see is for BMW to replace all the 2017 bikes headers with the ones from the 2016 model


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on May 31, 2017, 10:39:44 am
The powder coating looks great. I think I'm going to try get a set of headers from the U.K. As they are probably a bit cheaper than here. The only other solution I see is for BMW to replace all the 2017 bikes headers with the ones from the 2016 model


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They can't do it because then it's not an Euro 4 anymore. I hear they are looking at software updates but that will also be a problem with Euro 4 and they are looking at a way to get better airflow over the CAT.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on May 31, 2017, 10:52:22 am
The powder coating looks great. I think I'm going to try get a set of headers from the U.K. As they are probably a bit cheaper than here. The only other solution I see is for BMW to replace all the 2017 bikes headers with the ones from the 2016 model


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They can't do it because then it's not an Euro 4 anymore. I hear they are looking at software updates but that will also be a problem with Euro 4 and they are looking at a way to get better airflow over the CAT.

Just stop this euro 4 kak and make a specific class for SA. remove cat and be done with it
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: bronzy on May 31, 2017, 11:02:06 am
also have that problem on my bike will speak to the dealer about it
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on May 31, 2017, 01:55:05 pm
I have logged it at zambizi dealer as well they did not seem to know about the problem

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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: luv2ride on May 31, 2017, 08:13:20 pm
After Ceramic coating was done by Powerkote.

A, lala maar dit lyk mooi. Wat is die skade om dit te laat doen?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BLK on May 31, 2017, 08:23:56 pm
Is Euro4 hoping to save the planet with their exhaust requirements.What a waste of time.Just one of North Korea's missile's have already disturbed the earths atmosphere 10 fold.Who are they fooling.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Draadwerk on May 31, 2017, 08:50:29 pm
I've had akro slip on from day one on my 2017. Wife is still complaining about the heat...
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on June 01, 2017, 07:38:24 am
After Ceramic coating was done by Powerkote.

A, lala maar dit lyk mooi. Wat is die skade om dit te laat doen?
More, die ceramic coating was R1300.00 daar by julle in die Kaap. Hulle het ons beter prys gegee want ons het 2 laat doen.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on June 01, 2017, 07:49:38 am
I've had akro slip on from day one on my 2017. Wife is still complaining about the heat...
Ongelukkig al wat vir ons gehelp het was om van die CAT ontslae te raak, my vrou is nou baie gelukkig agterop die LC.(J-Bay toe en terug) Ons gaan volgende naweek na die Whale Rally toe in Hartenbos en sal dan die eerste keer wees wat ons weer langpad gaan ry. Ons sal terugvoering gee daarna oor hoe dit nou op die fiets was.

Ander ding vir my is dat die fiets nou vir my trek soos wat n LC moet trek, baie krag van onderaf regdeur met geen heiwering of iets nie. Ek was bekommerd oor die Exhaust Valve wat ook uitgekom het maar kan in alle eerlikheid se ek weet nie eers dat dit uit is nie en soos ek se die fiets trek regdeur soos n stoomtrein.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Mayhem on June 01, 2017, 02:17:36 pm
Let me know if anyone wants to give a BoosterPlug a try to see if it alleviates the problem. 1190R riders says it makes their bikes run cooler and air cooled riders report that pinging stops. I am willing to supply a loan unit.

Hi Jaco, I would like to try the booster plug on my new bike, I have a surging at constant throttle position.I fitted a slip-on last night and was hoping that it might help but it seems worse. Let me know where and when we can try it out

Thanks
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 08, 2017, 01:44:06 pm
Let me know if anyone wants to give a BoosterPlug a try to see if it alleviates the problem. 1190R riders says it makes their bikes run cooler and air cooled riders report that pinging stops. I am willing to supply a loan unit.

Hi Jaco, I would like to try the booster plug on my new bike, I have a surging at constant throttle position.I fitted a slip-on last night and was hoping that it might help but it seems worse. Let me know where and when we can try it out

Thanks
Hi Mayhem. You are welcome. I am in Table View, Cape Town - give me a shout. Surging is a common 1200 complaint, linked to lean fuel mixtures. I have had some good feedback.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on June 12, 2017, 08:15:12 am
I've had akro slip on from day one on my 2017. Wife is still complaining about the heat...
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Ongelukkig al wat vir ons gehelp het was om van die CAT ontslae te raak, my vrou is nou baie gelukkig agterop die LC.(J-Bay toe en terug) Ons gaan volgende naweek na die Whale Rally toe in Hartenbos en sal dan die eerste keer wees wat ons weer langpad gaan ry. Ons sal terugvoering gee daarna oor hoe dit nou op die fiets was.


Hi Almal, ons was toe Hartenbos toe gewees met die GSA en kan nou se dat ek geen hitte probleem op die fiets meer het nie. My vrou is ook baie gelukkig.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on August 14, 2017, 02:09:02 pm
any one know has bmw said anything furher what they going to do about the heat on the right hand side
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on September 12, 2017, 01:40:07 pm
any one know has bmw said anything furher what they going to do about the heat on the right hand side

Sandton and according to them, BMW SA has not heard anything else from BMW Germany
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on September 25, 2017, 07:05:30 pm
Same problem on my bike. Find it extremely uncomfortable!


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on October 02, 2017, 08:18:24 am
Has anybody got an update from BMW or found temporary  solution for this problem?


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on October 02, 2017, 08:50:20 am
as far as i can find out bmw sa has reported to germany but have not had any feedback. As far as im concerned this is a design fault but i have a bad feeling they not going to do anything about it
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on October 02, 2017, 10:08:27 pm
Thanks Gee! I can't do a long trip like this.


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: boere on October 03, 2017, 12:35:37 am
Same problem here with the heat issue.

Got so hot that the wife's boot actually is falling apart as sole pulled away from the rest of the boot. :( :(
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Draadwerk on October 03, 2017, 05:54:45 am
Manne. Probeer asb. Sit acro slip on op. Myne het nie meer hitte probleem na ek slip on aangesit het nie. In 'n baie baie klein mate ja, maar niks meer as met vorige modelle nie
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: OomD on October 03, 2017, 06:37:45 am
Manne. Probeer asb. Sit acro slip on op. Myne het nie meer hitte probleem na ek slip on aangesit het nie. In 'n baie baie klein mate ja, maar niks meer as met vorige modelle nie
So mens moet nou R16K+ uitgee om 'n ontwerp fout aan te spreek? Nee wat, tensy BMW die Akro gratis saamgee is dit 'n goeie oplossing maar uiteindelik nie die regte een nie.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: boere on October 03, 2017, 06:56:21 am
Manne. Probeer asb. Sit acro slip on op. Myne het nie meer hitte probleem na ek slip on aangesit het nie. In 'n baie baie klein mate ja, maar niks meer as met vorige modelle nie
Meneer Draad-trek ek het hom daai kazorst waarvan jy praat maar ek dink 'n dwarswind dra ook maar baie toe tot daai hitte probleem. Ek en Frannarossi het verskriklik wind gehad op en af van die Bash af en dis het nogsteeds haar boot moertoe beskadig. :patch: :patch:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on October 03, 2017, 09:46:04 am
Manne. Probeer asb. Sit acro slip on op. Myne het nie meer hitte probleem na ek slip on aangesit het nie. In 'n baie baie klein mate ja, maar niks meer as met vorige modelle nie
So mens moet nou R16K+ uitgee om 'n ontwerp fout aan te spreek? Nee wat, tensy BMW die Akro gratis saamgee is dit 'n goeie oplossing maar uiteindelik nie die regte een nie.

presies, ek het nie 16k om BMW se fout reg te maak nie
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: rohann on October 03, 2017, 01:05:10 pm
Ek los hom hier  :pot: :pot: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Esplin on October 03, 2017, 01:25:39 pm
I have the 2015 and don't have that problem
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on October 04, 2017, 10:35:58 am
Hi Draadwerk,
What did the slip on cost?


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on October 05, 2017, 12:38:53 pm
Ek los hom hier  :pot: :pot: :lol8: :lol8:

Anyone know the Chef?  I want to find out how he broke the egg without the raw egg running into the cooling fins!  Sorcery that   :pot:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: rohann on October 05, 2017, 01:19:54 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on October 07, 2017, 09:53:27 am
this is the response i got from my dealer after asking them what is happening as it was log with them 3 month ago
My mail to them
Hi there

Please can you update me on my log with Bmw re the excessive heat on the right hand side. This was reported nearly 3 months ago and I have not received any feedback.   We are now in summer and the problem has nearly become unbearable

Please can you let me know what is happening

There responce

HI Gary

I have spoken to BMW SA Technical department and they have informed me that the case has been escalated to BMW Germany. BMW Germany is currently busy investigating the issue, they are possibly looking at coming to SA  to do further analysis on our models. Unfortunately I cannot confirm a date at this time.



I believe we should all follow up with our dealars and let them respond via mail to you so we have records
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: silvrav on October 10, 2017, 10:19:22 am
i think BMW SA is also dragging their feet.

I have personally worked with BMW germany and the sharp and quick...3months? doesnt sound right
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on November 04, 2017, 01:39:19 pm
Just been on a 120km ride after wrapping the CAT with Titanium exhaust wrap. Itís made a huge difference. Still some heat but not the unbearable heat I previously experienced. I did not use the Silicone spray as suggested so there is even more hope!!

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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BLK on November 04, 2017, 02:19:46 pm
Thks for the info.Can one be advised where we can get this "Titanium Wrap"?

thks
BLK
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: punisher on November 05, 2017, 08:54:06 am
i am sure catalytic converters is a devious plan between platinum mines and petrol producers , cats decrease performance and make petrol consumption rise


just saying  :peepwall:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on November 05, 2017, 11:50:44 pm
BMW sal nou hulle gat in rat moet kry, ek wag al ses maande en dit raak somer in RSA.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Dirttrax on November 07, 2017, 06:48:39 am
Thks for the info.Can one be advised where we can get this "Titanium Wrap"?

thks
BLK

Hi BLK,
I bought the wrap in the States on Amazon, however I googled the product in SA and seems to be widely available.
Good luck


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Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 28, 2017, 11:29:55 am
The wrap is available at ATS and First Race. We sometimes use it on our race cars.

I am about to get a brand new 2017 and this thread has really made me wonder if i am doing the right thing.  :eek7:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 04, 2017, 08:04:28 am
So I got the bike and have only done around 250kms on it. I did notice the heat also......and, this probably sounds stupid, but it depended on how my feet were on the pegs.

I normally ride with the ball of my foot on the pegs (unless Im in traffic). In this position I did not notice any heat. When I put the center of my foot (arch?) on the peg with my toes pointing down I noticed the heat.
I think part of the problem is that my foot acted like a spoiler and directed the wind upwards when my toes were pointed down and the arch of my foot is on the peg.

Hope Im explaining it ok.

Edited:
With Pillion and now that my bike is run in, the problem is much worse. I have also laid a complaint with Northside and was told they have had lots of complaints including from the workshop manager who has just received a new bike. They feel that BMW will do something about it. Not sure when.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Generaal Gert on March 22, 2018, 08:39:51 am
Hi Guys,

I bought a 2015 GS and took it out for a short ride yesterday.

I can definitely feel the heat difference compared to my 2008 GS and my wife also complained about the exhaust heat (I have motoradical pannier frames fitted with a heat shield)

We are going on a trip over the long weekend and hope that this won't cause any issues ito comfort.

 :eek7:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on March 28, 2018, 10:53:35 am
It might be wise to still tackle the root of the problem - high combustion temperatures due to lean mixtures. There are ways around - just don't tamper with the O2/Lambda sensor as it actually protects the engine from running way too lean.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: boere on March 28, 2018, 11:12:52 am
Op laasjaar se Ladybrand Bash het Christa se boot heeltemal losgekom van die sool met al die hitte.

En BMW bly se ek is die eniste porsoon war daaroor kla, maar hulle sal probeer uitvind en terugkom na my toe >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on March 28, 2018, 12:00:52 pm
Tell them I have also complained officially at BMW Northside. They are welcome to contact me.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: The TRANSPORTER on March 30, 2018, 08:21:13 am
...die episode klink soos n poep in die wind! ::)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Big Show on April 04, 2018, 12:25:30 pm
........n warm poep :peepwall:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 04, 2018, 01:11:39 pm
........n warm poep :peepwall:

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Ek het baie met die probleem rondgespeel toe ek my fiets gekoop het en glo my die enigste oplossing is om van die CAT ontslae te raak. Nou daar is 3 maniere om dit te doen:

1. Vervang die BMW Header met Akra of Remus Header. (Gaan jou +/- R8000.00 kos) Voordeel is jy kan die BMW een weer terug sit as jy eendag die bike verkoop en hom dan verkoop.
2. Laat iemand die CAT oop sny, die binnegoed uithaal en hom weer toe sweis. (Goedkoopste manier, behoort nie meer as R1000.00 te betaal nie. Baie plekke doen dit vernuut as hulle die
     binnegoed  kan hou en verkoop.
3. Vervang die BMW header met n tweedehandse 2014 tot 2016 Header.

Wat jou waarborg aan betref is elke persoon hiermaar op sy eie. Dit is jou keuse of jy dit wil laat doen of nie.
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan en ook die CAN vervang met n Akra maar dit is nie nodig nie en die CAN het niks met die hitte te doen nie.
Ek het geen hitte probleme meer op my fiets vanaf ek dit gedoen het nie is dit is net n plesier om met hom te ry, alleen of met pillion en maak nie saak hoe warm dit is nie of hoe die wind waai nie.

Ja en ek stem 100% saam dit is sommer BULL dat mens moet geld spandeur op so n duur fiets om n probleem op te los waarop BMW net hulle rug draai.
Hulle het my ook nooit weer gekontak ivm die probleem nie. SKANDE BMW. >:( >:(
     
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on April 04, 2018, 01:26:12 pm
It might be wise to still tackle the root of the problem - high combustion temperatures due to lean mixtures. There are ways around - just don't tamper with the O2/Lambda sensor as it actually protects the engine from running way too lean.
Hi Roodt, jammer maar ek het een by jou gekoop en ingesit maar dit het niks aan die hitte probleem op my fiets gedoen nie. Ek kon geen verskil agterkom nie en hy het nog net so warm geword.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2018, 09:15:41 am
It might be wise to still tackle the root of the problem - high combustion temperatures due to lean mixtures. There are ways around - just don't tamper with the O2/Lambda sensor as it actually protects the engine from running way too lean.
Hi Roodt, jammer maar ek het een by jou gekoop en ingesit maar dit het niks aan die hitte probleem op my fiets gedoen nie. Ek kon geen verskil agterkom nie en hy het nog net so warm geword.

Ek is nie verbaas nie.  Die hitte in die "combustion chamber" sal oor afstand en tyd geen verskil aan die hitte van die uitlaatpyp verander nie.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: DirtRebell on April 17, 2018, 11:28:55 am
........n warm poep :peepwall:

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Ek het baie met die probleem rondgespeel toe ek my fiets gekoop het en glo my die enigste oplossing is om van die CAT ontslae te raak. Nou daar is 3 maniere om dit te doen:

1. Vervang die BMW Header met Akra of Remus Header. (Gaan jou +/- R8000.00 kos) Voordeel is jy kan die BMW een weer terug sit as jy eendag die bike verkoop en hom dan verkoop.
2. Laat iemand die CAT oop sny, die binnegoed uithaal en hom weer toe sweis. (Goedkoopste manier, behoort nie meer as R1000.00 te betaal nie. Baie plekke doen dit vernuut as hulle die
     binnegoed  kan hou en verkoop.
3. Vervang die BMW header met n tweedehandse 2014 tot 2016 Header.

Wat jou waarborg aan betref is elke persoon hiermaar op sy eie. Dit is jou keuse of jy dit wil laat doen of nie.
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan en ook die CAN vervang met n Akra maar dit is nie nodig nie en die CAN het niks met die hitte te doen nie.
Ek het geen hitte probleme meer op my fiets vanaf ek dit gedoen het nie is dit is net n plesier om met hom te ry, alleen of met pillion en maak nie saak hoe warm dit is nie of hoe die wind waai nie.

Ja en ek stem 100% saam dit is sommer BULL dat mens moet geld spandeur op so n duur fiets om n probleem op te los waarop BMW net hulle rug draai.
Hulle het my ook nooit weer gekontak ivm die probleem nie. SKANDE BMW. >:( >:(
     

Watter opsie het jy gevolg?
Bike gaan harder klink sonder die CAT?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on July 24, 2018, 02:22:46 pm
........n warm poep :peepwall:

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Ek het baie met die probleem rondgespeel toe ek my fiets gekoop het en glo my die enigste oplossing is om van die CAT ontslae te raak. Nou daar is 3 maniere om dit te doen:

1. Vervang die BMW Header met Akra of Remus Header. (Gaan jou +/- R8000.00 kos) Voordeel is jy kan die BMW een weer terug sit as jy eendag die bike verkoop en hom dan verkoop.
2. Laat iemand die CAT oop sny, die binnegoed uithaal en hom weer toe sweis. (Goedkoopste manier, behoort nie meer as R1000.00 te betaal nie. Baie plekke doen dit vernuut as hulle die
     binnegoed  kan hou en verkoop.
3. Vervang die BMW header met n tweedehandse 2014 tot 2016 Header.

Wat jou waarborg aan betref is elke persoon hiermaar op sy eie. Dit is jou keuse of jy dit wil laat doen of nie.
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan en ook die CAN vervang met n Akra maar dit is nie nodig nie en die CAN het niks met die hitte te doen nie.
Ek het geen hitte probleme meer op my fiets vanaf ek dit gedoen het nie is dit is net n plesier om met hom te ry, alleen of met pillion en maak nie saak hoe warm dit is nie of hoe die wind waai nie.

Ja en ek stem 100% saam dit is sommer BULL dat mens moet geld spandeur op so n duur fiets om n probleem op te los waarop BMW net hulle rug draai.
Hulle het my ook nooit weer gekontak ivm die probleem nie. SKANDE BMW. >:( >:(
     

Watter opsie het jy gevolg?
Bike gaan harder klink sonder die CAT?
Ek het vir opsie 1 gegaan soos bo gese. Ek het die header vervang met n Remus header sonder die CAT en die BMW can vervang met n Akra can.
Ek het al my oorspronklike pype gehou en weg gepak en as ek eendag my fiets verkoop dan sit ek net al die oorspronklike pype terug.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on August 16, 2018, 12:25:48 pm
This is probably the best option. (replace the exhaust)
8 months after reporting it to Northside BMW, I have not had a response from them or BMW even after repeated follow ups. So I now use another dealership as they seem more interested in helping. When the bike is out of warranty I will change the exhaust unless I buy another one before then :)

Still love the bike though. Sucker for punishment I guess.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: K-9 on August 29, 2018, 02:52:30 pm
I had the 2014 GSA some heat noticed. Did 55000kms

and a 2016 GSA heat debatable hardly noticed it.  did 20 000kms

I have done over 5000kms on the tft 2018 GSA.  Did Botswana and Zimbabwe.  Of that 1500 has been done in normal jeans.   Bulawayo 30deg, Beit bridge was over 33deg. 

No heat felt by me or my wife, so far.

Forks from sometime in 2017 have been modified and don't need the fix.   look at the top "nut", if it has a grove/mark in the middle the forks don't need the fix..

I have used the same Akrapovic slip on exhaust on each bike, could that be the answer.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Warren Ellwood on August 30, 2018, 10:09:21 am
This is probably going to sound a bit stupid.

I have the 2017 Trophy edition, and I have felt the heat as described on the odd occasion.

I find though, when I do feel my thigh getting warm, a simple adjustment of my foot on the foot peg will make it disappear immediately.

It's almost like I am changing the airflow around my foot and leg and this stops the heat from affecting me.




Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on August 30, 2018, 12:56:42 pm
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Battlestar on August 30, 2018, 07:54:31 pm
This heat issue definitely has something to do with airflow.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: K-9 on September 03, 2018, 01:21:53 pm
"This heat issue definitely has something to do with airflow."

YES, the faster you go, the more airflow around your legs, more airflow less heat.

In other words go fast - leave the heat behind.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on September 05, 2018, 10:16:27 am
Gents, have a look at this cover, it's from Puig and I just wonder if it can help on the bikes with the head issues.

They have in stock in JHB, they are about R600.00. 

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Jacobsroodt on September 06, 2018, 03:38:03 pm
Covers usually contain the heat, restrict air flow and increase risk of damage. See Adie's thread on a F800GS with a fried startor because of a restrictive Hyde bash plate.
Remember that, while you are complaining about heat, this engine is desperately trying to shed the heat created by very lean fuel mixtures and high combustion temperatures. When the bike was designed in 2012 I am not sure that the restrictive Euro 4 of 2016 and even more restrictive Euro 5 to be introduced soon was envisaged. The engine needs to shed the heat and don't have much sympathy with your foot :pot:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Far@way on September 06, 2018, 04:25:10 pm
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
Hi, how much is a booster plug for a 2015 GSA?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on September 18, 2018, 08:46:57 am
Got the heat treatment last Sunday on my way to Witbank on the 2017  :o  Lots of wind which was ok and then the wind direction turned and I found myself riding with the wind from behind  :eek7:  At one stage I  was scared that my plastics was going to melt. Wasn't the normal warm and it so burned the side of my leg that I had to stick it into the airflow to cool it down, surely this cannot be good for the shock or the motor in the longer term  >:( I can see a set of new headers in the near future or maybe even cat removal. Anyone know where in PTA or Joburg area ???
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on September 18, 2018, 11:52:16 am
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.

These bikes run at between 77C and 80C.  By how much will that drop if a booster plug is fitted?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: OomD on September 18, 2018, 03:05:30 pm
Fit a BoosterPlug! Lean running is a known issue on these bikes, and updated regulations make 2016- bikes run even leaner. BoosterPlug allows for slightly more petrol and cools down the combustion chamber, pistons and helps to prevent damage.
Given that the airbox temperature is only evaluated at idle/low RPM's, how does fitting the booster plug help when the heat issue seems to stem from actual riding (at which point the ECU uses a closed loop O2 sensor feedback for control, i.e. booster plug is meaningless)?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on September 28, 2018, 03:24:00 pm
With todays heat in Gauteng I could really feel the heat from the exhaust. I still have more than a year of warranty left but I am seriously considering removing the cat especially since I have absolutely no feedback from Northside BMW. I saw a pic of the pre 2017 and post 2017 catalytic converters that had been removed and they were clearly different. The newer one looks more restrictive. I will try and find the pic and post it here.
My cat is actually turning a red brown colour from the heat now.

Has anyone removed the cat?  I am also keen to try fit an older exhaust.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Battlestar on September 28, 2018, 07:40:01 pm
With todays heat in Gauteng I could really feel the heat from the exhaust. I still have more than a year of warranty left but I am seriously considering removing the cat especially since I have absolutely no feedback from Northside BMW. I saw a pic of the pre 2017 and post 2017 catalytic converters that had been removed and they were clearly different. The newer one looks more restrictive. I will try and find the pic and post it here.
My cat is actually turning a red brown colour from the heat now.

Has anyone removed the cat?  I am also keen to try fit an older exhaust.

I have 2 mates that removed there cats and both say removal has definitely helped with the heat. Their words were "it hasn't completely eliminated the heat issue but has vastly improved it"
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on October 03, 2018, 01:05:24 pm
Thank you.

I guess I may go that route then.

Here is the latest reply from BMW received today:

Trusting you are well.Pardon the delay in reply as I was awaiting an answer
regarding the heat issue complaints.
XYZ (Name removed), who has been dealing with BMW SA regarding this matter,confirmed
that according to BMW they never got enough complaints about this issue
to regard it as a real problem and confirmed that it is due to the latest Euro
laws that demanded a larger volume catalytic converter being fitted to meet
the latest clean air emmissions which is creating the extra heat and not the
actual engine itself.
Unfortunately it is worse in warmer climates where most of the complaints
originated,but it is not a BMW design fault which caused this.
Regarding the headers for a pre-2017,I am pretty sure it will help to alleviate
the problem as I personally also never had this problem on any of the older
model GSís that I used to ride.



Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on October 04, 2018, 12:55:49 pm
cats decrease performance and make petrol consumption rise

Correct.
The reason is simple too, here's why.
Any engine pumps gas, it is basically an airpump.
An intake filter is necessary, but luckily they can & do make them big enough so that resistance, hence performance, is not really hampered.
An exhaust catalyst (or particulate filter) is a HUUGE RESISTANCE for the gasflow, and the engine must provide the energy to pump through it - so it uses additional fuel for doing only this!
They cannot make them bigger because then the temperature will become too low, they have to keep them smallish.

Remove the Cat/EPF - and witness more performance, less fuel consumption and a load less heat.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on October 04, 2018, 01:07:14 pm
By how much will that drop if a booster plug is fitted?

None, zero degrees, silly question - the thermostat regulates the coolant's flow hence temperature, a BP does not affect this.
Be glad it doesn't, your coolant needs to be kept in this range!
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on October 04, 2018, 01:11:39 pm
I think I will go with removing the cat once my warranty is finished. Another year left.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on October 04, 2018, 02:13:21 pm
Given that the airbox temperature is only evaluated at idle/low RPM's, how does fitting the booster plug help when the heat issue seems to stem from actual riding (at which point the ECU uses a closed loop O2 sensor feedback for control, i.e. booster plug is meaningless)?

Wrong or mostly so.
During steady throttle and coasting the engine's in closed loop, hence it follows that it's in open loop during varying loads, for instance acceleration - and a BP is only active when the engine is in open loop, hence you keep your factory-frugal consumption during coasting (and this then will also make zero difference for Cat-heat problems!)
The temp-probe of a BP you will, must actually, mount there where there's air unaffected by engine heat, so up front in airflow is best - or in the airbox is also fine.

I've had 2 of these BP's on 2 (very) different bikes, and they work: not huge differences but noticeable one's - for performance issues, however they may help with Cat-heat problems also (I removed the cats on both bike i.e I practise what I preach  ;))
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on October 04, 2018, 02:30:21 pm
I think I will go with removing the cat once my warranty is finished. Another year left.

Wrong if you ask me, but you didn't so I volunteer this.
Try following?
Goto your stealer and tell them you will buy from them - they do sell them! - a set of catless headers and a PC-V, however on one condition, which is that they'll not be childish to hide behind a 'warranty voiding' when there will be (chance rather small innit) a problem. Dunno you but don't expect this on a letterhead, so trust the relationship you have with the chaps: if you're a typical moangat then you (and they!) will know it, if you're a normal oke then ditto, so judge yourself here, zero offense to anyone intended.

You just may be surprised by their willingness to do this, and what you will get then is a bike which performs better just about everywhere in the rev range.
It also will a tad less silent, not bad either - and no, it won't be noisy but if you want that change the can.
Fuel consumption will be same if you ride same, or a bit more because you'll use the engine more  :P
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on October 04, 2018, 02:55:24 pm
Here is the latest reply from BMW received today:

Trusting you are well.Pardon the delay in reply as I was awaiting an answer
regarding the heat issue complaints.
XYZ (Name removed), who has been dealing with BMW SA regarding this matter,confirmed
that according to BMW they never got enough complaints about this issue
to regard it as a real problem and confirmed that it is due to the latest Euro
laws that demanded a larger volume catalytic converter being fitted to meet
the latest clean air emmissions which is creating the extra heat and not the
actual engine itself.
Unfortunately it is worse in warmer climates where most of the complaints
originated,but it is not a BMW design fault which caused this.
Regarding the headers for a pre-2017,I am pretty sure it will help to alleviate
the problem as I personally also never had this problem on any of the older
model GSís that I used to ride.


What a scandalous load of bollocks!
Yes of course, the owners in the northern hemisphere, Scandinavia and Canada spring to mind here, will not complain because they'll hardly notice it.
But the okes in Oz & SA (which are the only 2 markets where some of these buffalos are sold) do notice it, hell, some even melt their number plate holders... but they don't make an iota difference in the woldwide sales figures hence "it is not a BMW design fault"...
YES it IS, and BMW is pathetic that they don't sort it out!

It's this attitude that made me sell my 2 BM's, and I'll never have one again, they can go seek heil somewhere else!
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 16, 2018, 01:41:07 pm
Just been on a ride with a mate. I know its hot in GP (35 C when we were riding) but the heat issue is actually unbearable now and I had to stop twice on a 150km trip to let things cool down. My back side and inside of both legs were literally on fire. (we were mostly on the hiway 6th gear cruising at between 100kms and 130kms max)
We both ride the same bikes. GSA 1200 but his a 2014 and mine is a 2017. I have 14k kms on mine and he has around 22k kms on his. Mine definately gets more heat from the cat. My cat was actually glowing red hot while his was not. We rode at the same speeds but he did accelerate faster than me sometimes. Take a look at these pictures:

This is my exhaust with around 14000 kms.



Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 16, 2018, 01:42:27 pm
This is my mates exhaust with around 22000kms

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 16, 2018, 01:43:39 pm
It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on November 16, 2018, 01:57:44 pm

Yes of course, the owners in the northern hemisphere, Scandinavia and Canada spring to mind here, will not complain because they'll hardly notice it.
But the okes in Oz & SA (which are the only 2 markets where some of these buffalos are sold) do notice it, hell, some even melt their number plate holders... but they don't make an iota difference in the woldwide sales figures hence "it is not a BMW design fault"...


Some Northern Hemisphere country's GS riders are complaining as much as anyone here.  See quote below:

Quote from: Spain
Hi riders.

I'm spanish and I'm writing you from http://www.bmwmotos.com/foro/ to ask for your help. First of all I apologize for my English faults but we think that the issue is so hard that deserves to work together to claim BMW a solution for the heat issue on the right leg that GS Adventure LC has.


Many of us we usually read your forum and we know that some of you have also complainted about heat on GSA:

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/update-on-right-side-heat-problem-r1200gs-wc.993009/

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/heat-from-cylinders-on-new-gs-lc.986062/

We have the same issue because our summer is also really hot, reaching 40-45ļ Celsius in some regions of Spain. In that circumstancies this issue become a great problem, due to it's unconfortable and even some of us have suffered from burns on legs, specially the passanger.
So we have created a hashtag with the aim of putting pressure on BMW motorrad so that they work on a solution for this issue. We can not believe that a brand like BMW is not able to find a solution.

We'd be really thankful if all of you that has suffered this issue explain your complaint in this hashtag @bmwmotorrad #BMWgsBURNS

Thanks

Quote from: USA
I have a 2015 ADV model and like many,suffer from the immense heat problem common on the right side of the ADV model.
It becomes very noticeable above 85*F. Almost unbearable last week in the 100+*F temps,experienced last week crossing through the plaine States of Nebraska and Iowa. Salt Lake City Utah and it's hi 90 and 100* temps were no fun either.
But I don't believe it is caused by the exhaust system or its relation to where it is placed on the bike.
I feel "it's the heat coming off the right side radiator" that swirls around and collects in this zone along the right side by the leg/thigh area.
Additionally because the "right" radiator is first inline in the system to cool the fluid,the air flow coming off of it is much hotter than the left side.
I agree,something needs to be done to redirect this "radiator air flow",and keep it off the rider and or passen


Quote from: Italy
From Italy here, we have sent to BMW Motorrad Munich various emails showing the issue. 70 Users nicks and VIN nbrs have been attached.
Messages have been posted on Facebook and Twitter BMW Motorrad pages and the hashtag #BMWgsBURNS has been created by Spanish Forum Friends. Bike Magazines have been informed too. Here are two examples of statements coming back from Germany (July 2017):
"Just so you know, we are working with our partners in Italy to try and find a solution".....and again,
"I hope we can find the best solution for you all really."


It seems it is a worldwide problem.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Ian Bean on November 16, 2018, 02:00:52 pm
It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.
Did you have this heat issue when bike was new. I have a gs rallye but only has 2000km but I have no heat issue yet.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on November 16, 2018, 02:14:49 pm
Have any of you guys noted the shield like thing on the RT's?  It is under the cylinder and seems to be there to channel heat away from the rider.


It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.
Did you have this heat issue when bike was new. I have a gs rallye but only has 2000km but I have no heat issue yet.

It seems to be a GSA issue. 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 16, 2018, 03:26:14 pm
It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.
Did you have this heat issue when bike was new. I have a gs rallye but only has 2000km but I have no heat issue yet.

Yes I did but not as bad as it was today but that could be climate related as it was 35 C while we were riding. I think this is the hottest weather that I have ridden in on this bike.

Im going to drill out my cat.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Ian Bean on November 16, 2018, 09:34:46 pm
It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.
Did you have this heat issue when bike was new. I have a gs rallye but only has 2000km but I have no heat issue yet.

Yes I did but not as bad as it was today but that could be climate related as it was 35 C while we were riding. I think this is the hottest weather that I have ridden in on this bike.

Im going to drill out my cat.

I rode in 36 degrees the other day and had no heat issue. I bought my bike this year but it is a 2017. I was riding in road power mode I wonder if the modes have any affect not sure if the mixture changes with diff modes?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Ian Bean on November 16, 2018, 09:58:52 pm
It is blatantly obvious that its the catalytic converter.
Did you have this heat issue when bike was new. I have a gs rallye but only has 2000km but I have no heat issue yet.

Yes I did but not as bad as it was today but that could be climate related as it was 35 C while we were riding. I think this is the hottest weather that I have ridden in on this bike.

Im going to drill out my cat.
I have an Akrapovic on my bike not sure if that makes a difference as I didnít notice the standard pipe getting hot either
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Bravofox on November 19, 2018, 04:04:18 pm
I ride the normal GS, not the GSA. I do notice the heat, but it is not that bad due to the increased airflow from the lack of bigger fairings. My wife did mention the heat on the hot day the one time I helped her to take off and than catching her again when she stopped, as she is too short for the GS but wanted to ride it badly...
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Roarman on November 21, 2018, 03:42:36 pm
So, I am currently on a quick trip from Cape Town to PE back to Cape Town on my 2018 (2017) 1200 gsa.
The weather has not been warm, itís been more on the cool side and the right hand side and seat is very warm. So warm that I have to move my right foot as forward as possible to get air to move between my leg and the bike. Before I bought the bike I read that there were problems with the heat, I was just hoping it wasnít that bad...... I was wrong.

Riding off-road it does not bug me as I am standing most times but on a long tar road........ itís a problem.
Iíll be using #bmwgsburns in my tweets.

Interesting how KTM 1190 had a similar problem and KTM attempted to fix the problem where BMW isnít interested.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Ian Bean on November 21, 2018, 05:02:23 pm
So, I am currently on a quick trip from Cape Town to PE back to Cape Town on my 2018 (2017) 1200 gsa.
The weather has not been warm, itís been more on the cool side and the right hand side and seat is very warm. So warm that I have to move my right foot as forward as possible to get air to move between my leg and the bike. Before I bought the bike I read that there were problems with the heat, I was just hoping it wasnít that bad...... I was wrong.

Riding off-road it does not bug me as I am standing most times but on a long tar road........ itís a problem.
Iíll be using #bmwgsburns in my tweets.

Interesting how KTM 1190 had a similar problem and KTM attempted to fix the problem where BMW isnít interested.
What engine mapping you on road or dynamic. I was told dynamic runs hotter.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on November 22, 2018, 07:39:36 am
i have got tiered of waiting for bmw its been over a year and a half . I have just taken out my catalyst. will report back in a week or 2
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Roarman on November 22, 2018, 07:46:27 am
So, I am currently on a quick trip from Cape Town to PE back to Cape Town on my 2018 (2017) 1200 gsa.
The weather has not been warm, itís been more on the cool side and the right hand side and seat is very warm. So warm that I have to move my right foot as forward as possible to get air to move between my leg and the bike. Before I bought the bike I read that there were problems with the heat, I was just hoping it wasnít that bad...... I was wrong.

Riding off-road it does not bug me as I am standing most times but on a long tar road........ itís a problem.
Iíll be using #bmwgsburns in my tweets.

Interesting how KTM 1190 had a similar problem and KTM attempted to fix the problem where BMW isnít interested.
What engine mapping you on road or dynamic. I was told dynamic runs hotter.
Dynamic.
I'm on my way to Swellendam today. I'll try Road and see if it makes a difference but let's be totally honest here. Should it make a difference? BMW should sort the problem out. If it's the mode, why have a mode available that is not usable?
On my 2014 model I never had the problem. 

I would love to know if it's a problem on the 1250. Maybe we should start asking the YouTube guys that have reviewed the 1250 bike.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Roarman on November 22, 2018, 07:47:48 am
i have got tiered of waiting for bmw its been over a year and a half . I have just taken out my catalyst. will report back in a week or 2
Agreed.
Please share what you did to remove it. Maybe some pictures too.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 22, 2018, 09:50:25 am
i have got tiered of waiting for bmw its been over a year and a half . I have just taken out my catalyst. will report back in a week or 2

yes please share details.

My bike is in Road mode.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on November 22, 2018, 01:45:34 pm
I'll try Road and see if it makes a difference but let's be totally honest here. Should it make a difference?

It shouldn't. 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on November 23, 2018, 03:34:16 am
The short and the tall of the story is that BMW exported these bikes being within the  EU4 specifications.  They can only reach it with the improved Cat. The Cat restrict the flow of exhaust gasses and then it heat up to a point where it is working excellent but it is also extremely hot.

You, and that matter BMW, can only get it colder by changing/removing the Cat and then it does not comply with EU4.  If BMW change it they might just find themself in a simmilar situation as Volkswagen a few years ago.

Possible solution: Remove the Cat and stand a chance to loose your guarantee. OR Change the headers for an earlier model's headers (2013 or 2014) and forget about EU4.

What piss me of is all the bulldust: Actually I see it as Fraud.
1. It is suppose to be tested by professionals before being exported.  And they did not pick up that the heat is unbearable for a pillion.
2. It is marketed as 'n bike for long distance riding/touring. Less than 100km from start and it start to heat up.
3. They pride them self on German engineering.
4. They pride them self on customer service.  Every customer get good service from the dealers but F..all answers from above.
5. While we have paid just about a quarter of a million for a bike the engineers and marketing people just sit back and pull up their shoulders.

I can go on and on but I would love to see their reaction when buying a car with seats that heat up to such an extend that you can not sit on it. Or an exhaust pipe that burn the numberplate of their BMW.

In Afrikaans: Ek HAAT dit as mense openlik bedonner word deur 'n Boelie wat nie verantwoordelikheid vir sy optrede wil aanvaar nie.

 
 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on November 26, 2018, 08:09:48 am
The bike is on 1700km, rode on Saturday from Vanderbijlpark to Centurion, at highway speed with the "road" mode selected. The heat was extreme. Since the bike is new, the discolouration of the exhaust neat the Cat is an indication of the amount of heat that area produces as compared to the exhaust headers near the cylinders. Booked the biked in with the dealer after complaining. Dealer says they're received other complaints, but will log a report with BMW SA. Waiting to hear the outcome.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on November 26, 2018, 09:30:52 am
@Imran you have more chance in falling pregnant than getting them to sort it out. I have a logged call for nearly 2 years now and when i follow it up i get told BMW SA are looking into it
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on November 26, 2018, 01:40:56 pm
What can be done, apart from removing the cat, to resolve this?  Does anyone have any ideas?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: OomD on November 26, 2018, 02:16:09 pm
I wonder if one would have a (legal) case in returning the bike to the dealer for a refund? I mean, the bike is essentially not fit for purpose?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on November 26, 2018, 04:34:11 pm
Yes you can return it, however you must do this during the Cooling-Off period!
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Ian Bean on November 26, 2018, 05:33:17 pm
The bike is on 1700km, rode on Saturday from Vanderbijlpark to Centurion, at highway speed with the "road" mode selected. The heat was extreme. Since the bike is new, the discolouration of the exhaust neat the Cat is an indication of the amount of heat that area produces as compared to the exhaust headers near the cylinders. Booked the biked in with the dealer after complaining. Dealer says they're received other complaints, but will log a report with BMW SA. Waiting to hear the outcome.
Do you have standard slip on I have Akrapovic and so far no heat issues and on 2600km.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: OomD on November 26, 2018, 08:45:12 pm
Yes you can return it, however you must do this during the Cooling-Off period!
 :imaposer:
Skerp!  :lol8:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on November 27, 2018, 01:07:15 am
Oom D if you do take it back for a refund the dealer will take the financial loss.  If you keep it you will take the financial loss. I can tell you the dealers/Technicians of the dealers had many meetings about this problem.  All of them are waiting for the outcome. I am waiting for an outcome since April 2017. 
In my opinion the solution is not complicated, it is just a matter of taking responsibility. BMW Motorrad in Germany  can just say "sorry we did not test the bike as we advertised, the engineer did not do his job which he was paid for, the quality controllers were substandard. To try and set this right we will do a recall and fit your bike with a new 2013 or 2014 header and Cat and refund you for not having a Euro 4 bike as we advertised, but a 2 or 3,  as well as for the distance you travelled while we (BMW Motorrad)  tried to duck and dive".  That is it, end of the story. Neither me nor the dealer is responsible for this problem, why should we at the end of the line pay for it, while the people making the mistakes are running free ? 

This thread is actually very good for my health. Every time my blood pressure drop I just open this thread and immediately it is above normal.

 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: OomD on November 27, 2018, 06:33:35 am
Oom D if you do take it back for a refund the dealer will take the financial loss.  If you keep it you will take the financial loss. I can tell you the dealers/Technicians of the dealers had many meetings about this problem.  All of them are waiting for the outcome. I am waiting for an outcome since April 2017. 
In my opinion the solution is not complicated, it is just a matter of taking responsibility. BMW Motorrad in Germany  can just say "sorry we did not test the bike as we advertised, the engineer did not do his job which he was paid for, the quality controllers were substandard. To try and set this right we will do a recall and fit your bike with a new 2013 or 2014 header and Cat and refund you for not having a Euro 4 bike as we advertised, but a 2 or 3,  as well as for the distance you travelled while we (BMW Motorrad)  tried to duck and dive".  That is it, end of the story. Neither me nor the dealer is responsible for this problem, why should we at the end of the line pay for it, while the people making the mistakes are running free ? 

This thread is actually very good for my health. Every time my blood pressure drop I just open this thread and immediately it is above normal.
Yes, I agree it is BMW Motorrad's problem.

But you did not buy the bike from them, you bought it from the dealer. I would have no problem returning such a bike (if the law allows), and let the dealer sort the kak out with BMW. After all, they have a much closer relationship with BMW than I do. And if they can't get it sorted out - well then it's their problem. When customers keep returning their bikes it will get sorted out, that much can be believed.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on November 27, 2018, 09:29:12 am
Tried to contact 2 other dealers to get some insight into their way of dealing with the issue. Not to mention names, the dealer around the 'west' of JHB, did not even respond, while the dealer in the 'north' responded by saying that the 'Adventure' offers better wind protection, hence the collection of warm air around the rider's legs! Do you believe this? Then, goes on to say, "Nothing" can be done about this!
I'm running the standard exhaust and silencer, thought about doing the full Akra system, headers and silencer, but was promptly told this would void the warranty (3 Year Warranty by the way). The workshop manager says the silencer change still leaves the CAT in place, so the heat issue still likely. Then jokes about how it benefits the riders up north in the colder climates!

Maybe, OomDee is correct, lets's return the bikes and ask for a full refund. I'm going to send an email to the Customer Relations Manager and ask for a refund! Will give feedback.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: K-9 on November 27, 2018, 09:58:34 am
I am on my 3rd GSA LC since 2014 and still have not had a heat problem.  2014, 16 and 18 models.  I have not had a standard GS.

Sunday it was 32degs my leg felt slightly warm, but only because I was looking for it and moving my leg around.

I have had the same acrophobic slip on, on all three bikes.  My son has had two of the three bikes without the slip on and he has never mentioned the heat.

So are some bikes hotter than others.  GSA vs GS and same vs same?  (My GS800 gave me more heat.)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Bravofox on November 27, 2018, 10:39:59 am
One thing I do notice here, is that the 2 members on the last posts (K-9 and Ian Bean) that say they do not have a heat issue, are from Kwazulu Natal. Those complaining seems to be from Gauteng and only complains above a certain ambient temperature range. The denser air and higher humidity from Natal can do a better job from extracting and carrying heat away from hot exhaust components. When the air gets thinner, dryer and hotter, the CAT my very well "keep" the heat better and radiate it all over your leg. I live in the dry Karoo, and on my normal GS on temperatures above 35 the heat does become quite noticeable, but not really unbearable... 
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on November 27, 2018, 10:46:30 am
Anyone waiting for BMW to actually do something about this are going to get old, very old......

They may opt to supply some kind of additional heatshield which you will have to buy - yes, buy! - as they have dodged and will keep dodging this flaw, "but if it reallyreallyreally bothers you you can buy this".
Anyone should know the reason why a cat becomes glowing hot is that it effects an exothermic reaction of already hot gases... hence it becomes the hottest point of the entire exhaust system, all quite normal and as per plan.
They just forgot to design an airflow over it in, shit happens lol
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on November 27, 2018, 11:36:46 am
The cat was changed for 2017. Its much bigger and has finer holes. I would be keen to see if they changed back for the 2018 models.

Best option I can find is either change to pre 2017 headers or remove the cat/drill it out.

Im not waiting in the hope that BMW fix the issue and because of this issue I have decided not to put my name down and get the 1250. This bike must last me until 100k kms (after a year it has 14500kms now so should be another 5 years at least).
After that I will decide what I will get if I do get another bike. Problem is nothing else on the market appeals to me at the moment.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on December 03, 2018, 02:41:37 pm
Gents,
I have started this thread back in 2017 when I bought my GSA.  I have then locked many complains to BMW and to date they have never come back to me wrt this issue.
The only way to get rid of the heat is to get rid of the CAT. I have replaced my OME header and can with Akra and Remus and did not have any more heat problems on my bike.

Now, I just put my name on the list for a new 1250 GS  mainly for two reasons, I just love the colors on the HP model and want to go back to a normal GS that is a bit lighter than the GSA.
I will most properly put my Remus headers and Akra can on the market, they are ceramic coated and still looks like new.
Please PM me if you are interested, R18k for both. The were close to R30k with the ceramic coating.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 03, 2018, 04:21:35 pm
Wow is that what they cost? I was asked by one of the sales guys weather I wanted to put my name down for one also. Told them based on the way the heat issue has been handled I wonít be doing so.

This morning I just emailed a guy on eBay for a second hand set of ackropovic (sp?) headers and silencer. Does anyone know if it has a catalytic converter on it?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on December 05, 2018, 09:57:25 am
@FJR
Will the headers and silencer void the warranty? Did you have the headers and pipes fitted by a specialist? Can it be done at home with basic tools? Will remapping or software upgrades be necessary? Did you change the air filter?
Was really contemplating going this route. The pipes have dis-coloured a great deal. Only 1500km, the header pipes are golden with black burnt patches and near the CAT, a kaleidoscope of colour!

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on December 05, 2018, 11:09:08 am
@FJR
Will the headers and silencer void the warranty? Did you have the headers and pipes fitted by a specialist? Can it be done at home with basic tools? Will remapping or software upgrades be necessary? Did you change the air filter?
Was really contemplating going this route. The pipes have dis-coloured a great deal. Only 1500km, the header pipes are golden with black burnt patches and near the CAT, a kaleidoscope of colour!

@Imran

Hi, our PE dealer told me that they will help where they can if something goes wrong because they know about the head-issue. So wrt the warranty, it will be between you and your dealer. Nothing went wrong on my bike while it was under it's two year warranty. I fitted everything myself as it is very straight forward and can be done with home tools. I did not do any remapping or software upgrades after the fitment. I did swap the air filter out with a BMC filter but put the BMW one back because I feel the bike was running to lean with the BMC filter in. My bike really pulls like a train and have lots of low down torque.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on December 05, 2018, 12:33:20 pm
@FJR
Thanks for the information.
I will contact the dealer to get a feel of their position. Finances are a little strained, otherwise would have taken the headers from you!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 05, 2018, 01:00:11 pm
Gents,
I have started this thread back in 2017 when I bought my GSA.  I have then locked many complains to BMW and to date they have never come back to me wrt this issue.
The only way to get rid of the heat is to get rid of the CAT. I have replaced my OME header and can with Akra and Remus and did not have any more heat problems on my bike.

Now, I just put my name on the list for a new 1250 GS  mainly for two reasons, I just love the colors on the HP model and want to go back to a normal GS that is a bit lighter than the GSA.
I will most properly put my Remus headers and Akra can on the market, they are ceramic coated and still looks like new.
Please PM me if you are interested, R18k for both. The were close to R30k with the ceramic coating.

what is the noise like when traveling? is it much louder than the standard?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on December 07, 2018, 12:48:47 pm
Please PM me if you are interested, R18k for both. The were close to R30k with the ceramic coating.

Dear Mr. FJR,

CONGRATULATIONS!  You have won a brand new BMW R1250GS to the value of R300 000.00 with added extras of your choice,  to the value of R100 000.00 and free beer for a year.  All you have to do to claim your price is to mail one (1) ceramic coated Acrapovic exhaust system to fit the R1200GS LC to our very honest agent, Mr. AMZ who is legally legitimised to be the broker for this competition.  On receipt of the previously mentioned Acrapovic, we will ensure delivery of your price within 6 months.

Kind Regards
Slimeball and Sons, BMW Competition Purveyors
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on December 10, 2018, 08:26:48 am
Spoke to a dealer over the week-end, said the management team will sit today to discuss the option of swapping the headers for the pre-2017 models. Don't know how this would suit some customers? If it eliminates the heat problem, then, I'm prepared to swap the headers! Anyone tried this swap for pre-2017 EU4 OEM headers with success? I know from the thread that Remus/Akra headers work. I still have the 3 year warranty, which will be voided if I go the after-market route, so says the dealer!

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 10, 2018, 08:38:41 am
I was about to order Akripovic headers from the UK although my bike is still under warenty. I figured they would have to prove the headers caused the fasilure if one did occure.

This is good news if it actually does happen now. I somehow have my doubts though.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Sommer Ek on December 10, 2018, 10:41:41 pm
Imran:

Fit 2013 or 2014 headers and problem relatively solved. Still a bit more heat, but no more numberplate bending, pillion overheating, luggage overheating.

Main problem is the Cat to get it up to EU4 standards. 2013 and 2014 is still EU2 or 3 (smaller cat)

IMHO. BMW kan dit nie sommer net recall en ander headers opsit nie want hulle het dit uit- en ingevoer as EU4  en sou hulle op 'n recall ander headers opsit  en ek vat my bike oorsee word dit aan die ander kant van die water as 'n modifikasie gesien. Dan kom dinge soos CO2 belasting en en en n klomp papierwerk ter sprake.  Dink maar aan Volkswagen se debakel.  Dit is my opinie, dalk is ek reg, dalk verkeerd, dalk half reg.

SÍ maar.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Imran on December 11, 2018, 10:22:54 am
Will be looking for headers with the EU3 emissions regulation :thumleft:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on December 11, 2018, 10:53:47 am
Changing anything on the bike, in this case (part of) the exhaust system, will, according to the stealer, void warranty.
Mounting different headers is in this respect the exact same as having the CAT removed.
However, if you do the latter then you'll only have some advantages, below:
- a little lighter
- freeer flow of exhaust hence less fuel consumption combined with more effective power of the engine
- lots cheaper than buying other parts/headers/why
What's not to like?

The CAT itself is the problem, not the headers (unless they contain the CAT).
Get rid of the CAT, end of woes plus a few benefits!
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 11, 2018, 11:31:16 am
Agreed. Now just to find someone in GP that can do it and do a neat job.
I was referred to Stealth but their number does not exists, is there anyone else?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on December 11, 2018, 12:21:46 pm
I heard days ago Stealth has stopped in Montana and has moved to Moreletta Park, so they still exist.
Their prices are very reasonable and their welding is exquisite, come donner me if I'm lying!
Just phoned them, their (new) number is 082 308 40 49
 :thumleft:





Disclaimer for a not impossible wanker reading here, NO, I am not affiliated but just a repetitive client, I've paid for their excellent services.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 11, 2018, 01:20:00 pm
Thank you
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on December 11, 2018, 07:54:14 pm
I did my cat last week. I did find that there was a reduction in heat but not as much as i thought there would be. there is more power and my consumption seemed better. I hope to do a longer trip in the next two weeks and will report back. I got Donovan at Cytech (011) 433 - 8850 to do it and was very happy with the welding and workmanship. I have seen other cut out cat workmanship and they looked like amateur welders had done it
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on December 12, 2018, 10:48:36 am
Actually, the winning remedy is to have a pipe made which replaces the section the CAT sits in.
No more big 'bulge' hence neater, also a better flow, and the absence of the big blob reduces the heat radiated.
Stealth Exhausts do this too, stainless of course.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on December 13, 2018, 02:02:54 pm
fug it maybe I should just order the Akrapovic stainless headers. landed they are only about R9k
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on December 14, 2018, 12:47:47 pm
Actually, the winning remedy is to have a pipe made which replaces the section the CAT sits in.
No more big 'bulge' hence neater, also a better flow, and the absence of the big blob reduces the heat radiated.
Stealth Exhausts do this too, stainless of course.

+1  :thumleft:

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 10, 2019, 04:14:02 pm
Well I just had a call from BMW head office regarding my complaint.

Basically I was told that there is nothing they can do as its designed that way to meet the emissions regulations and the heat was a side affect. When I asked if I could change the exhaust and if my warrenty will be affected, i was told that it would. I must admit to being a bit pissed off about it and have now definately decided that I wont be purchasing the 1250 and I will be replacing or decatting my exhaust asap.

Good luck to anyone who does purchase the 1250. It is clear that if there is no back up from BMW and its a kind of "if you dont like it FU" attitude. Pity as I really love my BMW's. (race one, drive one, and ride one)


@gee did you do your trip? How was the heat after your decat?


Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 10, 2019, 04:26:16 pm
Just ordered an Akrapovic headers. Hope this fixes the issue! Will know next week when they are fitted.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: GSLaaitie on January 10, 2019, 04:42:44 pm
I'm interested to read the suggestions of fitting the older 2014/2015 models' headers. Just an FYI, but I have a 2014 GSA and the heat is so much that my wife has flat out told me she will not ride with me again because of it.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 10, 2019, 06:16:38 pm
And the 2017 is worse believe it or not!
Thatís why I am just going to spend the R12k and hopefully that will solve the problem.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: gee on January 14, 2019, 09:48:04 am
after taking out the cat there was a slight heat reduction and a increase in power. It still gets stuffing hot on the right side. I have noticed on pictures on the new 1250 that they have added a type of bash plate on the center stand that looks like it will also deflect air up. Im not sure if that is to help reduce heat on the right side. I cant make out from the pic i saw
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Bravofox on January 14, 2019, 10:24:48 am
It is clear that if there is no back up from BMW and its a kind of "if you dont like it FU" attitude. Pity as I really love my BMW's. (race one, drive one, and ride one)

It is a pity how companies make good products, but their customer services stuffs everything up.
I have owned 6 Subarus since 2004, but my current 2015 Outback will be my last Subaru as Subaru SA's attitude towards customer service took a turn for the worst in the last 6 years or so.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: TheBear on January 14, 2019, 12:12:04 pm
It is a pity how companies make good products, but their customer services stuffs everything up.
I have owned 6 Subarus since 2004, but my current 2015 Outback will be my last Subaru as Subaru SA's attitude towards customer service took a turn for the worst in the last 6 years or so.

You may want to rethink that.  Better the devil you know and all that.

1 out of 6 isn't bad.  If you owned something else the bad service ratio may have been 3 out of 6.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 14, 2019, 12:55:00 pm
I have noticed on pictures on the new 1250 that they have added a type of bash plate on the center stand that looks like it will also deflect air up. Im not sure if that is to help reduce heat on the right side. I cant make out from the pic i saw

I also noticed it and mentioned it in the 1250 thread on this forum to which i was laughed at. In this video
there is a good view of it at 8 min 25 seconds
To me it looks like it will create a vacuum behind it and maybe suck the air down.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 16, 2019, 03:44:39 pm
I have solved my right side heat issue. So great to ride in this heat without a burning or very hot right leg.

All I did was change the headers to Akrapovic ones. The back piece is still the standard exhaust.

Its too soon to say much about it but the bike feels good and has a slightly deeper sound and I feel absolutely no heat.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Superboet on January 16, 2019, 03:48:55 pm
Sorry to hijack here. Is this an issue on the adventure models only or is all the LC models affected?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 16, 2019, 03:55:01 pm
All 2017 and newer models with the bigger cats. Prior models also suffer with it but to a lessor extent.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on January 16, 2019, 04:23:30 pm
All I did was change the headers to Akrapovic ones.

Just curious, you bought that from your stealer?
If so, and if they'll void your warranty now, I'd be asking questions pertaining to "Then why do you sell these, and make (substantial!) money on them if I may ask?"
 ;)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 16, 2019, 04:27:03 pm
No. Bought from GPS4Africa.

They have to prove that the failure is due to the headers. So for example if the gearbox goes there is no way the headers could affect that so it is still covered.

Im willing to take a chance though.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on January 23, 2019, 09:39:04 am
ok after a week of riding in pretty hot conditions and riding harder sometimes than I normally would I can report back that I can still feel very slight heat on my right leg but not noticible if you are not looking for it. Almost like when the sun is shining on the one leg on a hot day. (so I guess it could be the sun as we have had really hot days here - 30C+)

In normal comuting I can not feel any heat at all. Definately not like it used to be and a massive improvement. Bike also seems to have more "get up and go" than what it had before. Fuel consumption I cant tell a difference yet but will be riding to CT with a mate on his 2014 next week so will compare then.

Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on February 13, 2019, 11:13:07 am
I am trading the bike in on a 1250 so will be removing the headers and bash plate if anyone is interested in them. Both done around 3300kms and have no damage.

PS. there was absolutely no difference in fuel consumption between my mates 2014 and my bike last week on our trip to CT and back. We filled up at the same time every time. Sometimes he used more than me by less than a litre and sometimes i used more than him by less than a liter. The difference was so marginal I would probably blame the pump attendant more than the actual consumption of the bikes. We were packed the same more or less also.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: GSLaaitie on February 13, 2019, 12:17:09 pm
I am trading the bike in on a 1250 so will be removing the headers and bash plate if anyone is interested in them. Both done around 3300kms and have no damage.

PS. there was absolutely no difference in fuel consumption between my mates 2014 and my bike last week on our trip to CT and back. We filled up at the same time every time. Sometimes he used more than me by less than a litre and sometimes i used more than him by less than a liter. The difference was so marginal I would probably blame the pump attendant more than the actual consumption of the bikes. We were packed the same more or less also.
I'm interested. What is your price?
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on February 13, 2019, 01:54:16 pm
I paid just under R11k for it so was thinking say R7k as its only a month old. - say R8500 for headers and bash plate (Bash plate was R3k new)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on February 21, 2019, 09:14:31 am
I paid just under R11k for it so was thinking say R7k as its only a month old. - say R8500 for headers and bash plate (Bash plate was R3k new)

Soooo are the headers taken or still available  :drif:  If not I will take them  :deal:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: GSLaaitie on February 21, 2019, 09:31:13 am
I paid just under R11k for it so was thinking say R7k as its only a month old. - say R8500 for headers and bash plate (Bash plate was R3k new)
Not a  bad price, but out of my range currently. Thanks anyways!
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on February 21, 2019, 02:04:20 pm
I paid just under R11k for it so was thinking say R7k as its only a month old. - say R8500 for headers and bash plate (Bash plate was R3k new)

Soooo are the headers taken or still available  :drif:  If not I will take them  :deal:

They maybe taken already but if the deal falls through I will let you know. Bike is going into BMW tomorrow for all my accessories to be removed and put onto the new bike (whatever fits) the rest will be sold.So can maybe let you know early next week.

No worries GSLaaitie
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on February 21, 2019, 02:07:32 pm
 :thumleft:
I paid just under R11k for it so was thinking say R7k as its only a month old. - say R8500 for headers and bash plate (Bash plate was R3k new)

Soooo are the headers taken or still available  :drif:  If not I will take them  :deal:

They maybe taken already but if the deal falls through I will let you know. Bike is going into BMW tomorrow for all my accessories to be removed and put onto the new bike (whatever fits) the rest will be sold.So can maybe let you know early next week.
 :thumleft:

No worries GSLaaitie
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on February 27, 2019, 07:22:28 am
Sorry Duke916. Im still waiting for BMW to pull their fingers out their asses. Will let you know asap.


Back on topic, the 1250 has the same heat issue although I think to a lessor extent possibly. I had a short ride yesterday on one and could definately feel it and it wasnt that hot. The cat is a different shape on the 1250 and seems like it could be a bit smaller than the 2017 but I could not compare side by side so i could be wrong.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on February 28, 2019, 10:02:22 am
Sorry Duke916. Im still waiting for BMW to pull their fingers out their asses. Will let you know asap.


Back on topic, the 1250 has the same heat issue although I think to a lessor extent possibly. I had a short ride yesterday on one and could definately feel it and it wasnt that hot. The cat is a different shape on the 1250 and seems like it could be a bit smaller than the 2017 but I could not compare side by side so i could be wrong.

Thanks  :thumleft:  The wife complained bitterly about the heat over the weekend  ;)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Manic on March 07, 2019, 01:22:01 pm
Heat issue is still there right side on 1250.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on March 07, 2019, 01:41:36 pm
Yes but having ridden mine for a while now itís no where near what the 2017/2018 was.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on May 09, 2019, 09:05:47 am
Happy to report all my heat issues are gone and I have a more responsive bike  :ricky: :ricky:  Pity that top end is still the same  :lamer:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: BuRP on May 09, 2019, 09:23:28 am
I heard days ago Stealth has stopped in Montana and has moved to Moreletta Park, so they still exist.
Their prices are very reasonable and their welding is exquisite, come donner me if I'm lying!
Just phoned them, their (new) number is 082 308 40 49

I recently took delivery of my KTM 790 Afventure R.
I took it to Stealth to remove the Cat and put a pipe on, which they did in only a morning.
Cost was R 4800.-, and I've attached a pic of their welding specifically: gorgeous stuff!
Suit yourself, but some of the laarny types here may want to consider them...  ;)
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on August 01, 2019, 02:23:26 pm
Hi, just a little feedback. I have started this post in 2017 when I bought my 1200 GSA. I have sold it and bought a new 1250 GS and can report now on a trip from PE to Hogsback that we did not experience any head issue on the 1250 GS and it's stock exhaust. Me and wife very happy with it.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Manic on August 01, 2019, 02:43:16 pm
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Brucet on August 01, 2019, 03:00:14 pm
Hi, just a little feedback. I have started this post in 2017 when I bought my 1200 GSA. I have sold it and bought a new 1250 GS and can report now on a trip from PE to Hogsback that we did not experience any head issue on the 1250 GS and it's stock exhaust. Me and wife very happy with it.

Ditto. My 1250 solved the heat issue on my 2017 also.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on August 01, 2019, 03:32:07 pm
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(

Te stadig, nie maklik nie  :imaposer:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Manic on August 01, 2019, 03:58:00 pm
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(

Te stadig, nie maklik nie  :imaposer:

My regterkant brand, en lekker ook.
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: boere on August 01, 2019, 04:43:30 pm
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(

Te stadig, nie maklik nie  :imaposer:

My regterkant brand, en lekker ook.
Fok nogsteeds. Christa se regter boot het uitmekaar uis gesmelt op my Tripple Black so ek gaan vir eers nie die Akro opsit nie, maar nou weet ek nie meer nie :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: FJR on August 02, 2019, 07:46:12 am
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(

Te stadig, nie maklik nie  :imaposer:

My regterkant brand, en lekker ook.
Fok nogsteeds. Christa se regter boot het uitmekaar uis gesmelt op my Tripple Black so ek gaan vir eers nie die Akro opsit nie, maar nou weet ek nie meer nie :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:
Hier is jou oplossing:
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Duke916 on August 13, 2019, 08:15:04 am
Jy ry te stadig  :imaposer:
As ek my 1250 bymekaar begin maak, dan brand my regter been lekker hoor  :'(

Te stadig, nie maklik nie  :imaposer:

My regterkant brand, en lekker ook.
Fok nogsteeds. Christa se regter boot het uitmekaar uis gesmelt op my Tripple Black so ek gaan vir eers nie die Akro opsit nie, maar nou weet ek nie meer nie :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:
Hier is jou oplossing:

Beslis n goeie move daai  :thumleft: :deal:  Het al vergeet van my hitte probleem  :3some: Ongelukkig n duur oplossing maar die bike klink darem maar sooooo sexy as jy haar oop maak
Title: Re: BMW R1200 GSA LC RIGHT SIDE HEAT ISSUE ??
Post by: Manic on August 13, 2019, 08:51:49 pm
MIVV doen ook n header vd 1250 LC nou en ek dink op Ebay was hy iets soos R6500 gewees.