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Title: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 22, 2017, 11:51:07 pm
After years and years of Alu panniers I realized there might be better/lighter options.  The last two years I looked at various options available in ZA but never found any to my liking. (Maybe I'm too full of shit)

Mike and I talked about adding luggage to our line of adventure products a few years ago and we actually designed and built a few Alu topbox and panniers.  We designed our own locks and hinges as well.  The project came to a temporary halt when we could not manufacture a seal for the lid. (Other than injection molding).  Every now and then soft luggage cropped up and a few months ago we decided to investigate the possibility of our own soft luggage range.

Criteria.
1. SOFT (not board filled pannier lookalike) - Except for built in exhaust protection stiffener in back.
2. WATERTIGHT. No extra inner to keep water out.
3. QUICK TO ATTACH AND REMOVE to any frame out there.
4. PROPER FIT to the rack. Not hanging like soft potato bags.
5. EASY TO PACK on and off the bike.
6. AS STRONG AS POSSIBLE but still as light as possible.
7. QUALITY materials.
8. PILLION comfort.
9. ATTACHMENT points for extra bags etc to the sides.
10. LOCKABLE for safety
11. ADJUSTABLE for various capacities.
12. CARRY HANDLE/STRAP (Tks Amsterdam for reminding me)

There are bags out there that conform to some of the criteria but we could not find ONE that tick all the boxes.

At the end we decided to use 'rubberduck' PVC with YKK buckles and quality straps as base.  The PVC 'material' is also used as truck tarpaulin and Jumping Castles.  The bags could be manufactured with either hot melt process, high frequency welding or heat activated glue.  Although the glue is much more labor intensive it is proven on millions of rubber ducks out there to be strong and reliable. We might look at high frequency welding in the future but it would require much higher capital layout. As there will initially be constant upgrades to the design the 'glue' bonding will give us more freedom.

As some design criteria clash we had to make various changes to the initial design like it now take less than 7 seconds to remove both bags. (Quick getaway for the thief)  Mounting the bags (empty or loaded) in less than 25 seconds. Provision to 'thread' a plastic covered stainless cable through D links and locked with padlock will secure the bags closed and not removable.


Bla Bla Bla.

The first prototypes will be at the Kyalami exhibition at the Rockfox stand.  'Constructive' comments from anyone passing will be appreciated.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Bard on May 23, 2017, 12:06:28 am
Looks promising...ball park price and sizes? When will it be available?


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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Oubones on May 23, 2017, 05:56:14 am
Looks good and It makes sense to have the whole bag waterproof.
I like your way of thinking.
On your ally boxes, why do you not use the rubber clip over seals like they use on car boots etc?
Just a thought.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Probie on May 23, 2017, 06:06:28 am
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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Tampan on May 23, 2017, 06:20:38 am
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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: JourneySA on May 23, 2017, 06:25:54 am
Looks great - please post sizes & prices when available..

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Poffmuis on May 23, 2017, 06:59:43 am
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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: JonnyP on May 23, 2017, 07:02:27 am
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Looks the part
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Amsterdam on May 23, 2017, 07:35:24 am
Looks good and I like the criteria you have used, especially to prevent the bags going up in smoke at the exhaust.  What have you actually done there, not visible on your pictures.

The one issue I have had with the clip in buckles is that they all end up breaking when you try to keep the bags nice and tight against the bike.  Maybe your design is an improvement for that.

I am not sure that the glueing of the bags is a better solution that the welding.  My limited experience with rubbernecks include a lot of reglue-ing.

And one issue that is not listed in your criteria: an easy way of carrying them when you take them off the bike.  Staggering into a hotel with filthy bags over your arms and no free hand to open a door has never won me any friends.  So maybe consider a shoulder strap or something similar to assist here.

Good luck with the development of these.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on May 23, 2017, 08:19:20 am
Good luck, Adie.


As always, we would obviously stock what you develop in soft luggage, given that it is a biggish 'raison d'etre' for us being in business in the first place!


Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 23, 2017, 09:04:20 am
A) Looks good and I like the criteria you have used, especially to prevent the bags going up in smoke at the exhaust.  What have you actually done there, not visible on your pictures.

B) The one issue I have had with the clip in buckles is that they all end up breaking when you try to keep the bags nice and tight against the bike.  Maybe your design is an improvement for that.

C) I am not sure that the glueing of the bags is a better solution that the welding.  My limited experience with rubbernecks include a lot of reglue-ing.

D) And one issue that is not listed in your criteria: an easy way of carrying them when you take them off the bike.  Staggering into a hotel with filthy bags over your arms and no free hand to open a door has never won me any friends.  So maybe consider a shoulder strap or something similar to assist here.

Good luck with the development of these.

Price will be around R 3 600.00 incl. at max.  Looking at what you get and what's available in ZA we think that is well well priced.  >:D

Availability. I am a big fan of 'co-operative' development to finally produce a better product.  We will probably manufacture the first 3 sets for ourselves where we will iron out the manufacturing and quality issues. The next few (probably 4) sets will be sold at a 'development' price.  So, to answer your question about availability.  The first sets must be available by end JUNE 2017.  (ek gaan my gat af moet werk  O0 )

@Amsterdam Answers
A) A 'plastic' sheet will be sandwiched to the back between PVC.  thickness and type to be finalized.  (Currently I just have hardboard on the inside  ;D

B) It is a concern but the YKK is well designed and world renowned for strength. The buckles attaching the bag to the frame is also removable so can be replaced without tools.  The 'attachment' buckles will also be 50mm and not 25mm as per current sample.

C) Ultimately we will go for high freq welding.  Unfortunately the design must be 'complete' before tooling can be designed.

D) Oops forgot to mention Carry strap. (Yup, that is what I call 'co-operative development'.)  Two options will be included. 1) A 'handle'  that will slip over the two top straps - not visible on the pics - that will always be in the center of the bag irrespective of how 'full' it is loaded. Removable if you do not need them,  2.) A Shoulder strap that clip in the D links. (Now, where to keep this while riding and no need to open the bag to 'get them out'  :-[

Nou moet ek eers bietjie werk.
Adie

Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2017, 10:49:07 am
Looks great. 

Does it require brackets / frames for the bike?
If so, does the price include the brackets for the bike?
Just for comparison, do you know the capacity in liters?
Will it be available on other colours? 
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 23, 2017, 11:49:56 am
Looks great. 

Does it require brackets / frames for the bike?
If so, does the price include the brackets for the bike?
Just for comparison, do you know the capacity in liters?
Will it be available on other colours?

No brackets included.  We are however looking at more cost effective (lighter)  'frames' than the standard Rockfox units for soft luggage.

The first set is actually too WIDE at 230mm (Final size will be 200 x 350 x 450 .  (width of bike) but capacity will be variable as the top can be rolled up more or less (fokkin ingels) Max Capacity will be 31l.  By roling up the top a bit less you might even get 32.5l

Yes, any color as long it is BLACK.  >:D We are looking at Rockfox Orange for the strengthening behind the straps.  :)

Adie




Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2017, 12:16:51 pm
Looks great. 

Does it require brackets / frames for the bike?
If so, does the price include the brackets for the bike?
Just for comparison, do you know the capacity in liters?
Will it be available on other colours?

No brackets included.  We are however looking at more cost effective (lighter)  'frames' than the standard Rockfox units for soft luggage.

The first set is actually too WIDE at 230mm (Final size will be 200 x 350 x 450 .  (width of bike) but capacity will be variable as the top can be rolled up more or less (fokkin ingels) Max Capacity will be 31l.  By roling up the top a bit less you might even get 32.5l

Yes, any color as long it is BLACK.  >:D We are looking at Rockfox Orange for the strengthening behind the straps.  :)

Adie

Afrikaans sal ook werk.

Dankie vir die inligting.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: bud500 on May 23, 2017, 12:30:17 pm
Orange straps as mentioned or something reflective at the rear will aid visibility and safety.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: silvrav on May 23, 2017, 02:00:59 pm
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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 23, 2017, 02:03:48 pm
Orange straps as mentioned or something reflective at the rear will aid visibility and safety.

Ons het gekyk na een of ander weerkaatsende 'panele' om dit meer sigbaar te maak. Van die sykant is daar redelik 'plek' maar van agter is dit maar 'n 'rommelry' van straps ens.  Op soek na opsies  :thumleft:

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: NoRush on May 24, 2017, 11:38:28 pm
Dit lyk baie goed. Veral die prys.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Dorsland on May 25, 2017, 03:33:28 am
Lekker om te sien ons eie mense se vernuftigheid kom weer na vore.

Lyk baie na die Wolfman sakke wat ek gebruik en waarmee ek baie tevrede is. Soos met alles wat ingevoer is sal julle hulle 'n prys uitklophou kan gee. Hoe verskil julle monteer metode van hulle s'n? Op die foto's sien ek ook die belt wat oor die saal gaan.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: AJBotha on May 25, 2017, 08:13:55 am
Lyk great! Sub
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: MiniDan on May 25, 2017, 08:17:44 am
I also have the Wolfman panniers that look like these and are extremely happy with them. Thus will be very interested to see these and if they close to the Wolfman products, buy local in the future.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Clockwork Orange on May 25, 2017, 08:19:40 am
These look great. I suspect these will fly off the shelves
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 25, 2017, 08:29:11 pm
Lekker om te sien ons eie mense se vernuftigheid kom weer na vore.

Lyk baie na die Wolfman sakke wat ek gebruik en waarmee ek baie tevrede is. Soos met alles wat ingevoer is sal julle hulle 'n prys uitklophou kan gee. Hoe verskil julle monteer metode van hulle s'n? Op die foto's sien ek ook die belt wat oor die saal gaan.

Jup, omdat ons ook dieselfde materiaal as die Wolfman's gebruik lyk dit baie dieselfde.  Sodra mens egter nader kyk is daar egter redelik groot verskille.

1) Die Rockfox sakke pak aansienlik makliker omdat ons ontwerp rondom die opening heeltemal anders is. (Die sak bly basies 100% oop)
2) Die Rockfox sak loop groter na bo wat in en uitpak nog meer vergemaklik.
3) Ons vasmaak aan die rak is aansienlik makliker.
4) Die sakke is 'skoon' aan die buitekant.  Daar is niks wat aan takke ens kan vashaak
5) Geen 'Buckles' onder die pillion nie.
En nog heelwat meer.

Aan die einde van die dag is die Wolfman's seker die tweede beste sakke in die wereld. (Rockfox eerste  >:D )

Adie
Fotos: Ons stalletjie by Kyalami
Ons vannie Kaap maak vinnig 'n plan  :biggrin:
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on May 31, 2017, 05:41:47 pm
Fantastic feedback received at Kyalami with quite a few orders. One must be in Rockfox colors nogal (Orange and Grey)  :eek7:

Bought a HF welder today so no turning back now.  Well actually I need another 2 sets just for our own household.

Will post update soon as the 'new' version will be tested to Boegoeberg next weekend.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on June 01, 2017, 07:51:29 am
Adie stopped by to see me, I had asked to see his product, since soft luggage makes up quite a bit of what we do...


I was very impressed by their soft luggage: it fitted excellently, barely moved when really tugging on it, looks the business, straps around the outside of the bag (circumference) for strength, quality buckles, hard to fault it, actually!


He demonstrated how the 'mouth' of the bag stays open whilst unpacking/repacking it, a nice feature.


So two thumbs up,  :thumleft:   :thumleft: Adie (and Mike, obviously), we will stock the product when it is launched, and feel it is a worthwhile alternative to what is available out there.


Cheers
Chris & Team







Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Miracle_Salad on June 01, 2017, 12:34:16 pm
Nice luggage! Definately keen. Would be cool if you could lock the bags somehow. Like in some luggage you can lock the zips. This is RSA after all

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 01, 2017, 12:45:25 pm
Nice luggage! Definately keen. Would be cool if you could lock the bags somehow. Like in some luggage you can lock the zips. This is RSA after all

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Stainless cable with lugs to lock the bag 'closed' as well as to the frame included. You just buy the padlocks  8)

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Miracle_Salad on June 01, 2017, 12:48:36 pm
Nice luggage! Definately keen. Would be cool if you could lock the bags somehow. Like in some luggage you can lock the zips. This is RSA after all

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Stainless cable with lugs to lock the bag 'closed' as well as to the frame included. You just buy the padlocks  8)

Adie
Hehe fantastic! Very keen to see it in stores :)

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: LouisL on June 01, 2017, 12:53:38 pm
Ek sal nogal ernstig kyk na daai sakke.

Ek is ook egter in die proses om vir my die Roxfox panniers te koop en sal waardeer as jy my kan se of julle dit saam met die sakke sal verkoop.

Ek wil nou eerder nie die huidige panniers koop net om later te vind die sakke pas nie lekker daarby nie.

Enige idees vir 'n bag agter op die Roxfox carrier plate (wat ek oor reeds het)?
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Pistonpete on June 01, 2017, 01:16:38 pm
Would be nice to see a continued interest in soft tail packs in all their forms. Waterproof zips, expandable, lash points to add modular, waterproof, well thought out lash down points..along with that is what rear carry plates are out there...that can get tricky?
The 950/990 toolbag needs a replacement as well...something slightly tougher :thumleft:
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: sidetrack on June 01, 2017, 01:37:57 pm
HF welder and the material you use (trucking tarp pvc ?) will make it a winner, if you look at almost any well known brand of soft luggage that is the way to go.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 01, 2017, 01:45:23 pm
Ek sal nogal ernstig kyk na daai sakke.

Ek is ook egter in die proses om vir my die Roxfox panniers te koop en sal waardeer as jy my kan se of julle dit saam met die sakke sal verkoop.

Ek wil nou eerder nie die huidige panniers koop net om later te vind die sakke pas nie lekker daarby nie.

Enige idees vir 'n bag agter op die Roxfox carrier plate (wat ek oor reeds het)?
1. Die sakke word deur Rockfox ontwerp en gebou.  Dit pas dus die beste op ons eie rakke.  :pot:
2. Sien 1 hierbo.  die sakke pas egter op enige komersiele rakke. Selfs die SW Motech wat so effe trapezium is.
3. 'Soft Topbox is volgende op die lys  die Rockfox plaat het reeds 'T' slots in waaraan die sakke stewig vas kan maak.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 01, 2017, 02:03:06 pm
Would be nice to see a continued interest in soft tail packs in all their forms. Waterproof zips, expandable, lash points to add modular, waterproof, well thought out lash down points..along with that is what rear carry plates are out there...that can get tricky?
The 950/990 toolbag needs a replacement as well...something slightly tougher :thumleft:
During discussions at Kyalami additional bags etc were discussed in detail. Once the side bags (for the need of a word) are in production the other items will be designed and tested.  This will include sleeping bag (or for any other items) rolls that attach directly to the bags (Front, Rear or Top) A soft 'Top Box' as well as a 'tool roll' to fit between the luggage rack and the bike. This tool roll will be 'strappable' to keep all tools dry and tight so there will be no rattles etc.

Special (optional) 'clamps' will be available to secure the bag to the plate if no attachment points available. The main design criteria of the bag is to be 'strapable' to reduce the size and always keep the contents compressed.

Crashbar toolbags is also on the cards.
Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 01, 2017, 02:16:21 pm
HF welder and the material you use (trucking tarp pvc ?) will make it a winner, if you look at almost any well known brand of soft luggage that is the way to go.
Not True. That is actually the problem. Probably more than 80% soft luggage are made from 'Ripstop' as it is much cheaper and 'easier to use. In our tests we found that Ripstop actually tear quite easy if under stress. I did see 'PVC' bags but then they use quite thin material whereas the body of our bags are from 550gsm.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: sidetrack on June 01, 2017, 03:01:19 pm
HF welder and the material you use (trucking tarp pvc ?) will make it a winner, if you look at almost any well known brand of soft luggage that is the way to go.
Not True. That is actually the problem. Probably more than 80% soft luggage are made from 'Ripstop' as it is much cheaper and 'easier to use. In our tests we found that Ripstop actually tear quite easy if under stress. I did see 'PVC' bags but then they use quite thin material whereas the body of our bags are from 550gsm.

Adie
Ok let me say the best of the best ie Wolfman and Giant Loop. Have not seen Mosko Moto up close so not sure what they use.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 01, 2017, 03:09:18 pm
HF welder and the material you use (trucking tarp pvc ?) will make it a winner, if you look at almost any well known brand of soft luggage that is the way to go.
Not True. That is actually the problem. Probably more than 80% soft luggage are made from 'Ripstop' as it is much cheaper and 'easier to use. In our tests we found that Ripstop actually tear quite easy if under stress. I did see 'PVC' bags but then they use quite thin material whereas the body of our bags are from 550gsm.

Adie
Ok let me say the best of the best ie Wolfman and Giant Loop. Have not seen Mosko Moto up close so not sure what they use.
YUP that is the only two I also know about.

** Edit**
Wolfman also do most of their new products from ripstop. (only the 'Expedition dry' is still PVC)


Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 05, 2017, 09:13:36 am
I had the prototype in my hands over the weekend.

As the owner of a set of Wolfman soft luggage, I think this is going to be a winner, one reason being the only reason I got Wolfman bags and the Wolfman racks was because it could be included in the finance of the motorcycle.

Other than that a huge amount of thought has gone into just about every aspect of these bags.




Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 05, 2017, 10:38:57 pm
RF welder tested and working - had to go secondhand as the new ones are over R100 000.00 and come with medical certificate nogal. (will have to sell a lot of bags just to pay for that  >:D ) That is why everybody go for 'Ripstop' (actually RipLess).

This thing actually use those old radio valves.  Is apparently moerse big and cost R 20 000.00 (YUP no typo)  Will take picture once delivered. It vibrate at 27.?? Mhz to excite the plastic molecules to soften and fuse two parts together.  Nou raak ons gevaarlik op ons oudag   :biggrin:

Will be delivered later this week.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 22, 2017, 09:51:48 pm
Ok, some progress.

The welder arrived at our workshop today.  Will get it in position over the weekend to be commissioned early next week.  (Will take pic of the R20 000.00 valve tomorrow)

In the meantime.
We went through the design updates and final color scheme.

AND THEN IT HITS US.
Everyone was 'insisting' that there must be 'hi-viz' panels on the bags for visibility.  We looked at various options where this would be effective (side/back/front)  Depending on how the bags are packed any reflective strip could become 'invisible'.  ALSO, there is a huge difference between hi-viz and reflective. 

Hi-viz is bright yellow/orange and moerse visible during daytime whereas 'reflective' is ONLY effective at night while light is shined on it. (Search for 'Hi-Viz' on net)

We decided to concentrate on hi-viz much more than reflective in the first design to break the 'invisible black' look of the bags. Very few motorcyclist ride after dark.  >:D  It will then also be easy to add some reflective 'patches' once we know how the bags will crease if not fully loaded.

The materials etc will be delivered tomorrow so we can manufacture the first 'real' set. 

Adie

(Maybe I must call the bags 'Bumble Bee' as the colors will be Black and Yellow at the attachment straps around the waist.)
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on June 22, 2017, 11:16:36 pm
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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 23, 2017, 05:44:58 am
Looking good

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Sandvreter on June 28, 2017, 05:38:54 pm
Can you please be so kind as to post a picture of HOW the attachment points look? And how the bags attach to the frames? Prototype is obviously a prototype but I cant see the mechanism anywhere?
Especially where it goes onto the frame / pannier racks? The seat I assume is a seat.

I know everyone has their own opinions and what they look for. But If I buy these bags (I am in the market for bags that can take a knock and Zebra thinks these are great)
I have 2 small gripes:

1 - I need these things to STAY on the bike even if it moers of a small mountain, I ride rocks and mud and sand, and more importantly I fall... more than I should, and rocks f@ch things up  :imaposer: I want ratchet straps feed through welded sliders (loops) for SERIOUS attachment opportunity to the frame similar to a compression strap, when I dont need it I slide it out and it is protected by the bag and the bag still does not have "catch points" strap feeds for horizontal and vertical beefing up (so just a continuous weld channel as far as possible ). Removal should be via crowbar not 20 seconds in that case. That gives me complete versatility, so adventure riding vs weekend pretenda-riding. That also means my luggage frame shape and attachment points becomes less of an issue.

2 - Waterproof single system etc all great, sorely needed and excellent material. But this now means I need to buy the ATG inner bags as I cannot put that amount of muddy gear down anywhere nor want to remove the bags from the frame as they look like crap at that point and are welded in place, see point 1. It is simply filthy. Nothing as nice as to throw clean inner bags in the odd hotel but more importantly into my tent. The nice thing is these bags will insure my ATG inners are dry and clean, but why do I want to go get ATG separate when I can support the same manufacturer. I suck at getting clean things out of dirty panniers and eventually everything is full of mud. And no on the cutlines you do not have water for washing a pannier, that means you are then in Sandton glamping.

Other than that they look like the business!  :thumleft:





Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: jeff on June 28, 2017, 05:56:35 pm
Can you please be so kind as to post a picture of HOW the attachment points look? And how the bags attach to the frames? Prototype is obviously a prototype but I cant see the mechanism anywhere?
Especially where it goes onto the frame / pannier racks? The seat I assume is a seat.

I know everyone has their own opinions and what they look for. But If I buy these bags (I am in the market for bags that can take a knock and Zebra thinks these are great)
I have 2 small gripes:

1 - I need these things to STAY on the bike even if it moers of a small mountain, I ride rocks and mud and sand, and more importantly I fall... more than I should, and rocks f@ch things up  :imaposer: I want ratchet straps feed through welded sliders (loops) for SERIOUS attachment opportunity to the frame similar to a compression strap, when I dont need it I slide it out and it is protected by the bag and the bag still does not have "catch points" for horizontal and vertical (so just a continuous weld channel ). Removal should be via crowbar not 20 seconds in that case. That gives me complete versatility, so adventure riding vs weekend pretenda-riding. That also means my luggage frame shape and attachment points becomes less of an issue.

2 - Waterproof single system etc all great, sorely needed and excellent material. But this now means I need to buy the ATG inner bags as I cannot put that amount of muddy gear down anywhere nor want to remove the bags from the frame as they look like crap at that point and are welded in place, see point 1. It is simply filthy. Nothing as nice as to throw clean inner bags in the odd hotel but more importantly into my tent. The nice thing is these bags will insure my ATG inners are dry and clean, but why do I want to go get ATG separate when I can support the same manufacturer. I suck at getting clean things out of dirty panniers and eventually everything is full of mud. And no on the cutlines you do not have water for washing a pannier, that means you are then in Sandton glamping.

Other than that they look like the business!  :thumleft:
Wow . Some shit that I would never have thought of.........
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 28, 2017, 07:56:34 pm
Can you please be so kind as to post a picture of HOW the attachment points look? And how the bags attach to the frames? Prototype is obviously a prototype but I cant see the mechanism anywhere?
Especially where it goes onto the frame / pannier racks? The seat I assume is a seat.

I know everyone has their own opinions and what they look for. But If I buy these bags (I am in the market for bags that can take a knock and Zebra thinks these are great)
I have 2 small gripes:

1 - I need these things to STAY on the bike even if it moers of a small mountain, I ride rocks and mud and sand, and more importantly I fall... more than I should, and rocks f@ch things up  :imaposer: I want ratchet straps feed through welded sliders (loops) for SERIOUS attachment opportunity to the frame similar to a compression strap, when I dont need it I slide it out and it is protected by the bag and the bag still does not have "catch points" strap feeds for horizontal and vertical beefing up (so just a continuous weld channel as far as possible ). Removal should be via crowbar not 20 seconds in that case. That gives me complete versatility, so adventure riding vs weekend pretenda-riding. That also means my luggage frame shape and attachment points becomes less of an issue.

2 - Waterproof single system etc all great, sorely needed and excellent material. But this now means I need to buy the ATG inner bags as I cannot put that amount of muddy gear down anywhere nor want to remove the bags from the frame as they look like crap at that point and are welded in place, see point 1. It is simply filthy. Nothing as nice as to throw clean inner bags in the odd hotel but more importantly into my tent. The nice thing is these bags will insure my ATG inners are dry and clean, but why do I want to go get ATG separate when I can support the same manufacturer. I suck at getting clean things out of dirty panniers and eventually everything is full of mud. And no on the cutlines you do not have water for washing a pannier, that means you are then in Sandton glamping.

Other than that they look like the business!  :thumleft:

OK, dit gaan moeilik wees om die een te antwoord. 
Soms wil ons iets hÍ wat nie bestaan, soms iets wat nooit gaan werk en soms, net soms, kry ons ites wat aan al ons vereistes voldoen.  Gaan hierdie sakke aan jou vereistes voldoen? Dit weet ek nie so, hiermee net bietjie meer agtergrond en detail.

a) Mounting points. NONE.  (die fiets moet reeds rakke op het.  ENIGE rakke  wat naastenby aan die SW Motech/Touratech/Bmw/Rockfox mates is. (rondom 350*250 mm)
Daar is twee horisontale 38mm straps met common plestiek YKK buckles wat OM die bestaande rakke vastrek. Dit gee 4 INDIVIDUELE vasheg punte aan die raam.   Hierdie 4 punte dra basies geen gewig en is net daar om die sakke in plek te hou.  Twee 50mm straps TUSSEN die sakke gaan oor die saal en dra die meeste van die gewig. As die sakke opgesit word pas die vasheg punt mooi op die boonste horisontale pyp van die raam.  daar is dus geen moontlikheid dat die sakke kan 'sag' en soos nat aartappelsakke 'flop' nie.  As hierdie 6 punte aan elke sak vasgetrek is raak die sak amper een met die raam in enige rigting behalwe opwaarts.  Op die Rockfox rakke is die beweging ongeveer 15mm en mens moet hard trek om dit te lig aangesien die onderste horisontale strap ONDER van die monteerpunte gaan.  'n bietjie meer op die S W Motech  rakke.


Your point 1:
Daar is 40mm plastiek 'D' links aan die horisontale straps waardeur jy die sakke met bloudraad kan vasmaak as jy wil. Horisontaal en vertikaal rondom die rakke en rakke sonder dat daar ENIGE 'protrusion' aan die 'buitekant' van die sakke is. Omdat daar geen 'werklike' spesifikasie rondom die rame is asook opsies om die sakke 'beter' vas te maak kan mens die dakke enigiets tussen 20sek en 2 minute met bloed en tang los of vasmaak.  ;D

Your point 2:
Daar word reeds gewerk aan (opsionele) 'inners' vir die sakke.  Ons oorweeg baie dun materiaal wat absolute minimum plek opneem.  Ons het nognie finale besluit rondom waterdigtheid van die sakke gemaak maar gaan heel moontlik van daai 'water werende' materiaal soos fietsryers se baadjies wees.  Die idee is egter dat daar liewer twee sakke(ies) per groot sak moet wees.  As jy reg pak hoef jy net een of twee kleintjies in te neem as jy in gastehuis slaap.  Die ander twee het vuil klere ens ens ens in wat nie elke dag gebruik hoef te word.
   
** End **
Ok, rondom die plastiek knippe, D links ens.  Meer wat na die sakke by die Kyalami Bike Fest gekyk het het die gebruik van 'Breekbare' items bevraagteken.  In ons ontwerp analise moes ons kies tussen 'breek iets herstelbaar' of 'skeur dit uit'. Ek het al meer as een sagte sak verloor omdat die geskeur het  met die val.  Ons het besluit dat daar dan 'n "weak point" moet wees wat maklik langs die pad reggemaak kan word. Buckles en D links kan maklik met Cableties vervang word.  Mike se Wolfmans was met 4 cableties aan die rak vas toe hy geval het.  Drie het 'gesnap' en die sak het onder die fiets uitgekom tydens sy gly oor die teer.  Die sak het net 'n klein teer skaafmerk opgedoen.

Daar was ook lang gesprekke oor die waarborg en hoe die sakke getoets gaan word. (Daar was nogal komiese voorstelle oor die toetsing - wie gaan sy fiets leen sodat ons kan gaan val -  >:D

Die waarborg is 'n "no brainer".  Die sakke is onderhewig aan 'n 100% waarborg tot iets breek.  Dan verval die waarborg.  :pot: 
Ons het oorweeg om die eerste paar stelle teen 'n spesiale prys beskikbaar te stel met 'n lewenslange waarborg. (Ons oorweeg dubbel die prys)

Gisteraand die CAD tekening opdateer en die tweede stel begin sny.  Ons kry Maandag opleiding op die sweismasjien  - kan nie wag.

Sal binnekort 'n foto van die nuwe sak opsit.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Tampan on June 28, 2017, 08:44:58 pm
Ek kannie wag nie. Soek beslis ' n stel Adie, asb.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Sandvreter on June 28, 2017, 08:55:08 pm
Dankie vir die terug voer Adie.
Soos ek noem ek het nog nie die sakke self onder oŽ gehad nie en die fotos is min, so dit is moeilik. Die verduideliking het BAIE gehelp.
Waar ons wel verskil is oor die "weak points" , ek is ernstig as ek sÍ ek wil die goed ratchet strap, geen plastiek D-ring, lekker cover channels vir rox straps, ratchet straps ens ens weens 2 redes.
1 - stadige valle is opwaards vertikale kragte, alles op die design is gemik vir afwaards vertikaal of horisontaal en dit is waar ek nog altyd sukkel met sagte bagasie. (pivot points, die outjies neig om te draai) so hoekom wil ek my ketting / sprocket / engine/clutch / agter briek disc hoŽ blootstelling gee.

2- Die " sacrificial" punt... en moet my asb nie verkeerd verstaan nie met die volgende stelling. Wat my spesifiek trek na jou tasse is SPESIFIEK die feit dat dit hoŽ kwaliteit is en hier is die ding bekostigbaar! Wind the clock back. Ek val teen 140km 'n uur in Namibia op ' D dirt road (moenie vra nie) met die nuwe 800 GSA pimped up beemer met my allu panniers op ('n glamp solo trippie). Die "weak point" is die agterste sluit meganisme op die pannier en dan unlock hy horisontaal na agter om af te haal/val af volgens sy vervaardiging. Ek kyk hoe my fiets gly terwyl ek ander stadiger agterna gly, geen probleem R4800 vir die pannier. Die slot meganisme los omtrent dadelik, pannier af en fiets gly aan.
Pillion voet peg hak 'n versteekte klip (seriously seker 3 of 5 cm wat uitsteek maar hy gly op daardie stadium) op 'n 180 grade wiele paralel in die rigting  , buig my hele subframe binne in my tank in en slaan my bike dat hy so hop. R86 000 se skade. As die pannier aan gebly het... R4800 se alluminium met 'n gat in en niks verder want ek sou dit geclear het met die crash bars en die pannier, want in my oŽ en ek hoop elke biker se oŽ : bike protection is sacrificial , soos 'n helmet na 'n val en so ook die panniers. Ek kan goed vas-strap na 'n val, gebuigde crashbars ruk en pluk of af bout maar ek kan nie 'n gebuigde staal subframe en gat in my brandstof tenk iets aan doen nie. Lugguage-disposable, als in die kant panniers- disposable . Water en brandstof en om te kan verder ry- 'n moet. Die goeie nuus is neuk ek dit op verkoop jy nog 'n stel aan my  >:D

Soos jy sÍ baie moeilik maar dit is waar ek sukkel om van die Mosko motos af te kom.
Ek benodig nie 'n raamwerk nie, met joune doen ek en dit is geen probleem want ek verkies 'n raamwerk, gee vorm en goeie heg punte, maar hulle strap vir opwaards horisontaal (Mosko) en dit is waar ek bietjie vasberand. Hoekom cater so min sisteme vir dit en natuurlik Cam buckles.... die goed vat 'n knock, werk adisionele plastiek D ring in vir na die val, cheap.
Die moskos, hulle is vrek duur en ek gaan hulle breek, en huil. Joune is besonders bekostigbaar en  :pot: ek gaan nie net goed slaap na ek hulle breek nie ek gaan nog 'n stel koop.

Ek dink regtig die is die bagasie maar ek dink ons kyk met verskillende oŽ na dit. Jy soek 'n produk wat kwaliteit is en lank gaan hou, en ek kyk na die as 'n dekselse goeie 2 doelige aplikasie- bagasie en beskerming. Maar jy is besig met vervaardiging en sekerlik kan ....2 reekse dalk lekker wees? Super reinforced wat is fout met jou dude wat Metal Jockey op 'n trip sal vat en normale mense een?

Ook baie bly julle kyk na die inner. Dit is soos jy sÍ perfek om die dun materiaal te gebruik. Kudos vir al die werk wat al in dit ingegaan het.
Mag ek vra.... sjoe die is soos 'n wish list wet dream.... enige kans vir 'n auto one way deflation valve op daai sak vir waneer jy hom oprol en sommer op hom gaan sit? sorry ek pak tiiiiiight.
Ps, opinies is soos 'n neus, ons almal het een  :lol8: ek ook maar.
pps sodra flying brick een inkry koop ek hom, my trip begin 1 September....
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 28, 2017, 10:55:41 pm
@Sandvreter

Lank lank gelede op die forum het ek iewers gepraat van 'Co-operative development'. (Post 10 Pg1)  Dit is presies wat hierdie 'gesprek' tussen ons eintlik is.  Aan die einde van die dag is dit ons mikpunt om 'n 'beter' produk teen 'n kompeterende prys te voorsien.  >:D

Dit is moontlik om 'cam buckles' aan die sakke te sit sonder enige herontwerp. Dit vervang net die bestaande 38mm plastiek buckle.  Dit kan selfs deur die klient se vrou/girlfrien/boyfriend met naald en gare aangesit word.  ;D

Die totale swart sakke maak fotos moeilik.  Die produksie modelle het GEEL panele wat as 'daytime' hi-viz dien.  Fotos sal dus ook beter uitkom.  Ons het intussen ook van 550gsm na 600gsm materiaal beweeg asook van 25mm na 38mm vasmaak straps vir nog meer sterkte. Omtrent geen ekstra gewig omdat die volume nou 'regtig' 31l soos ontwerp spesifikasie.

Die voordeel  van die ontwerp is dat behalwe vir die HF welder panele kan daar met min moeite wysigings gemaak word.  Ons het reeds navraag van 'n motorfiets verhuur firma waar hulle nie so gepla is oor absolute gewig nie maar eerder oor duursaamheid.

Die feit dat die sak waterdig is maak dit nogal moeilik om die lug uit te kry as die bek meer as twee keer opgerol is. Ek strap dit eers aan die fiets so vas as moontlik en maak dit dan bo toe.  Na n' paar keer se probeer werk dit heel ok.

Geen probleem met opinies (goed of sleg) aan die einde verbeter dit die produk. (hopelik)

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on September 03, 2017, 10:55:56 pm
Ok, the new workshop is built - not complete yet but at least we can get some of the projects out of the way and get the space where the bags will be manufactured. 

We manually manufactured the next set of bags to test the changes and finalize the procedures.  We made a few 'criteria' changes as well to make the bags more adaptable for general use as well.  As the original target volume of 31L made the bags unnecessary large and clumsy for most trips we trimmed the width down a bit and made the base a bit more 'rounded'.  during testing the last few trips we noticed that it actually works easier if the bag is actually smaller for (long)weekend trips. Each bag now holds 25L max. 

We will now supply easy strap on "Roll Bags" that can attach to the front, back and on top of the main bags if additional storage is required.  This works nice for tent, sleeping bag etc for the longer trips.  Each bag will be supplied with ONE lightweight inner for that quick 'overnight' goodies like shower, fresh clothes and slipslops.  We are looking at about 12L. 

The RF welder is fully commissioned.  We will start machining of the dies this week.  It still need some final design to ensure quick replacement and minimum adjustment between dies.  We also took delivery of the industrial sewing machine.  I do not need to strain the old lady's fancy Pfaff anymore.

The work area will get ceiling, floor and drywall this week.  Aim to get the first production bags on the bench this weekend.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on September 21, 2017, 09:22:06 pm
Ok, daar het baie water in die see geloop, die koŽl is deur die kerk (nee, 'n hond het koŽls en 'n geweer het rondtes/patrone) en ek werk my vrek.

Al die ontwikkeling is verby en produksie het begin.

Ons het sterker maar meer soepel materiaal gekry.  Dit het ook 'n effe MAT voorkoms.  Die sakke rol nou baie makliker en beter toe.  Ek wil 'n skeur toets tussen die twee produkte en ook RipStop doen. Ons kon gladnie die nuwe produk in die een rigting skeur.

EUREKA!! The welder is up and running. We designed special tools (electrodes) to minimize adjustment between the different pads.  (the power is relative to the area being welded)  We should now be able to change electrodes without any pressure or power adjustments. Will do final 'separation tear' tests tomorrow.  The one pic below show the different separation depending on the settings.

The bags was test fitted to various bikes that Mike had to work on the last few weeks.  All fitted 100%.

Ohh, we abandoned any fancy attachment clips/buckles/locks etc in favor of a simple YKK plastic buckle (we tested the break strength to be just below 90kg in tension) with a built in double D link system.  Basically, if the buckle does break you remove the sliding part and thread the webbing through the D links.

We would have the first set of 5 sets available by Wed 27 Sept. (At last  :-[ )

INTRO price will still be as per original estimate of R 3 600.00 inc VAT.

Adie
Gotta go, still need to program a Raspberry Pi with Android Things to replace a PLC - my 'real' job.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: wobbler on September 21, 2017, 10:37:19 pm
Now THIS is how a product is developed.
Congrats, it looks like you are onto something here.
Anyone want a brand new unused set of SW Motec Dakars panniers?
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on September 21, 2017, 11:48:13 pm
Ek hou van die eenvoud van die ontwerp sonder om veelvuldigheid te verloor.  :thumleft:

Hoe maak die sakke aan die raam vas? Ek sien daar is 'n bree strap.
Ek neem aan jy kan die hoogte verstel as mens die bokant gelyk met die seat wil he.

Dra die twee straps wat bo-oor die sak gaan enige gewig of is hulle net om die sak toe te hou?
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Tampan on September 22, 2017, 05:59:21 am
Adie, ek is steeds in vir Ďn stel, asb.
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Miracle_Salad on September 22, 2017, 07:29:00 am
Hey Adie is the price including brackets that the bags fit onto?

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on September 22, 2017, 08:30:52 am
Hey Adie is the price including brackets that the bags fit onto?

Unfortunately not.   Currently the price of the Rockfox luggage racks is R 2 500.00 I think.  We are looking at something lighter (more cost effective) for the soft bags.  These will not be 'rear crashbars' like most current luggage racks but more like the SW Motec Dakar's. 

@ SlŠinte
Die sakke kom met 4 25mm straps aan die bagasie raam vas.  Die  straps oor die saal dra die gewig.  Dit maak dat die rakke baie ligter kan wees omdat dit basies net die sakke weg te hou van die plasiek en wiel.  Die posissie van die sakke is 'redelik' vas want die saal straps 'haak aan/le bo-op' die boonste pyp om die gewig te dra.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: m0lt3n on September 22, 2017, 08:52:36 am
Die lyk goed. Goeie werk Adie. Laat my baie dink aan my Enduristan sakke.

Waar is Xpat, ek sou nogal die man se opinie like op die thread...
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Bells on September 22, 2017, 01:07:01 pm
Adie was vriendelik genoeg om vir my sy prototype sakke te leen vir proef en kommentaar.

Ek het geen kommentaar, die sakke is perfek. Hulle maak makliker as enige sagte sak op die mark vas en haal bitter vinnig af ook. Ek het hulle op grond en teer gehad, alleen en met n pillion en hulle sit stewig en is regtig tough.

Julle kan maar koop boys!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170922/1336af03434c208703fe72302d65d185.jpg)

(Die sakke was prototypes- hulle lyk anders)



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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Bells on September 22, 2017, 01:07:32 pm
Adie was vriendelik genoeg om vir my sy prototype sakke te leen vir proef en kommentaar.

Ek het geen kommentaar, die sakke is perfek. Hulle maak makliker as enige sagte sak op die mark vas en haal bitter vinnig af ook. Ek het hulle op grond en teer gehad, alleen en met n pillion en hulle sit stewig en is regtig tough.

Julle kan maar koop boys!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170922/1336af03434c208703fe72302d65d185.jpg)

(Die sakke was prototypes- hulle lyk anders)



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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Abrie7 on September 22, 2017, 01:35:18 pm
Adie.  Ek soek asb ń stel vir panniers en ook iets wat ek agter bo op die rak kan vasmaak asb.

Dankie
Abrie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on September 22, 2017, 02:22:19 pm
Adie.  Ek soek asb ń stel vir panniers en ook iets wat ek agter bo op die rak kan vasmaak asb.

Dankie
Abrie

Dankie vir bestelling.

Sodra produksie aan die gang is sal daar 'n hele reeks produkte van dieselfde materiaal ontwikkel word soos 'SideBag', 'TentBag', 'ToolBag', 'TopBag' ens.  Hulle sal aan die kant of bo-op die 'RockBag' kan vaskom.  Die 'TopBag' is basies 'n sagte 'topbox' met 'n zip. (weet nognie hoe ek hom waterdig gaan kry nie.  :-\ )

Adie

Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on September 22, 2017, 02:48:47 pm
Just had a look on your website as I can't always follow the posts in Afrikaans, I couldn't find the luggage and pricing
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on September 23, 2017, 10:34:00 am
Just had a look on your website as I can't always follow the posts in Afrikaans, I couldn't find the luggage and pricing
It will be uploaded this weekend.  Photos of final product will be taken today.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on December 15, 2017, 10:17:19 pm
Ok, we finally grasped the basics of RF welding.

You don't fix a weak earth with a thick cable, Nooooo you fix it with a Shimstock ribbon.
A good reading on the 'Power' gauge might indicate a weak earth.
NO Earth will trip the overload.

This is NOT electricity. It will boil the moisture in your flesh in a few seconds.
This does not even behave like electricity.

In order to do all the welds on the bags we had to modify the machine to be quickly converted between normal, deep throat or 'bridge'.  After a lot of experimenting we now roughly know what to look for.

If anything is wrong - even a weak ground - you will burn a hole the size of a match stick through the material.  We currently have 5 sets of PERFECT bags with patched little burn holes at R 2 500.00 a set.  (Normal price R 3 600.00 )

Full production will start next week once the machine is fully upgraded.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Donaldbr on December 16, 2017, 05:44:42 pm
Am interested in a "patched" set if available

Will the bags fit on the bags connection frames, (the soft luggage ones supplied by bike great)?

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Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on December 16, 2017, 10:21:54 pm
Am interested in a "patched" set if available

Will the bags fit on the bags connection frames, (the soft luggage ones supplied by bike great)?

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We did fit them to whatever frames we could. Send pic of the rack because we did not try it on the Bags Connection DAKAR frames.  They might not fit 'nice'.  will keep a set aside in the meantime.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: P.K. on December 18, 2017, 01:36:15 pm
Ok, we finally grasped the basics of RF welding.

You don't fix a weak earth with a thick cable, Nooooo you fix it with a Shimstock ribbon.
A good reading on the 'Power' gauge might indicate a weak earth.
NO Earth will trip the overload.

This is NOT electricity. It will boil the moisture in your flesh in a few seconds.
This does not even behave like electricity.

In order to do all the welds on the bags we had to modify the machine to be quickly converted between normal, deep throat or 'bridge'.  After a lot of experimenting we now roughly know what to look for.

If anything is wrong - even a weak ground - you will burn a hole the size of a match stick through the material.  We currently have 5 sets of PERFECT bags with patched little burn holes at R 2 500.00 a set.  (Normal price R 3 600.00 )

Full production will start next week once the machine is fully upgraded.

Adie

Check your electrodes for dirt or pitted surfaces...this will cause the burn holes.
Dont mark the PVC with pencil...it will do the same thing  as well.

Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on December 18, 2017, 02:50:13 pm
Check your electrodes for dirt or pitted surfaces...this will cause the burn holes.
Dont mark the PVC with pencil...it will do the same thing  as well.

Yup, I figured out early in the experimenting that the tools must be free of sharp points.  Also noticed during testing that once a hole is burnt the 'carbon' will make it burn at same place again. 

This is actually a fascinating machine (also temperamental - like a woman)  Must say we did 10 bags this morning with only one minute pinhole due to a crease that made the electrode press on one corner only.  And that was still with G-clamps etc etc.  Will make the new quick swap 'base' next week.  (I have another interesting project later this week)  Must say, on straight welds it all work 100%, it is now to get the oval base done a bit quicker - and neater.  Will design a 45 degree chamfered tool for the base next year. The current issue is that the machine can not do that surface area in one go.

Thanks

A
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: LouisL on December 19, 2017, 12:21:53 pm
Those bags look the business!!

I would like to see the topbag :drif:
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Mike Adendorff on February 01, 2018, 11:41:47 pm
LOOOOOOONG OVERDUE

Hi Guys,

After months of testing, chopping, changing, fiddling and shouting obscenities We are onto the final stretch with our bags.

We already have a few out there being used by clients, friends and ourselves and we are ready to start getting them out into the world.

For those who are new or have forgotten here are some specs on the bags.

Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 02, 2018, 08:28:22 am
Yes, we have stock, including a batch at a discounted price, both in the YELLOW and Black version and SILVER and black version...


Usual Retail price is R3600 per set...


we have some 'early bags'  (3 sets left) with MINOR imperfections, for R2600 incl. (they ARE waterproof, more of a minor cosmetic issue)



Cheers!
Chris & team
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on February 02, 2018, 09:04:51 am
I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 02, 2018, 09:08:34 am


Quote from: meurig on Today at 09:04:51 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=210222.msg3993277#msg3993277)>I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?

Yes, mostly, there are a few bikes that MIGHT be able to get away without one, but most will need one (g: Giant Loop Hot Springs, or ALTRider Universal, or other, etc)
Cheers, Chris


Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Mike Adendorff on February 02, 2018, 10:16:03 am
I am guessing a heat shield is still required for the exhaust side?

Hi Meurig,

You can pretty much run our bags on any rack without a heat shield. each bag has an internal "Stiffener" to stop the bag pulling through the pannier racks, this also doubles as a heat shield. We have been running the bags on the following configuration for a while now:

BMW F800 with Akro system
BMW F800 with standard exhaust
BMW F650 singles with Leo Vince Exhaust
BMW F650 Single with Standard exhaust
KTM 1190 with Akro Exhaust
KTM 690 Rally Replica with Akro Exhaust
KTM690 Rally with Scorch Exhaust

And no problems yet. On the 1200 BMW you will need an extra adapter as the racks themselves are not flat on the exhaust side but have that kink. Offcourse a dedicated heat shield cant hurt it isn't technically needed.

Thanks for the question
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on February 02, 2018, 11:13:35 am
thanks, Mike - appreciate the great feedback, on the models you've tested it on  :thumleft:  (Meurig rides a CRF 1000L)


apologies; I was referring to using the bags WITHOUT A RACK...on smaller bikes, my bad :BangHead:


"On the 1200 BMW you will need an extra adapter as the racks themselves are not flat on the exhaust side but have that kink"



For the 1200's which have a SHAPED exhaust-side rack, we stock the curved 'heat'shield, as Mike mentions.


we do also sell a CURVED heat shield for the 800GS, given that the pannier rack on exhaust side is also stepped, just like the air-cooled 1200's and liquid-cooled 1200's...


on flat-sided pannier racks, I agree, it is a non-issue, as long as there is a bit of clearance...(for heat)


But many peeps will ADD a bit of scrap tread-plate 'for insurance', though Mikes bags (and ATG, etc) DO have stiffeners to prevent bulging through
(see pics 3 & 4)...


Cheers, Chris
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on February 02, 2018, 12:10:07 pm
OK, we did some research and finally the penny dropped.  We are working with Radio Frequency and any conductive object close will affect the outcome.

We finally made a Poly prop post to eliminate max interference of the RF.  From that point on it was just a matter of getting the surface area in line again for consistent results.  We will now go through the final phase to get rid of those pesky brass strips.  Every time we load the bag they move in relation to one another and the 'tuning' (consistency) is out.  At least we could weld the bases without any problems.

Adie
Title: Re: New Rockfox soft luggage in the works
Post by: El Lobo on February 02, 2018, 12:13:31 pm
The bags look great! Well done, Adie!

And Enduristan Monsoon 3?