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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: Imran on June 23, 2017, 08:20:07 am

Title: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Imran on June 23, 2017, 08:20:07 am
With so much attention drawn to the fork issue on GS/GSA LC models, I'm concerned. Is the fork tube allowed to be rotated by hand or should this be tight? Did a quick test yesterday-pulled down rubber boot, visually checked gap between fork tube and tube plug-seemed fine, twisted the fork tube by hand, it rotates, did the same to the other one, same outcome. Is this normal? Should I be concerned that the fork stanchions have failed?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JABO on June 23, 2017, 08:21:52 am
Don't stress.
It is normal for them to rotate.

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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Omninorm on June 23, 2017, 01:03:07 pm
Over 70 000 of them sold since 2013... a few issues. I wont be too hung up about it. Just check them like one should check any bike periodically to make sure everything is still good.

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Mayhem on June 23, 2017, 01:16:30 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 23, 2017, 01:29:31 pm
Chatted with dude at Bavarian yesterday.  They have been monitoring the fork stanchions since January.  Every service, or workshop visit, they would measure the gap and report to Motorrad.  He believe the issue is not serious and only bikes regularly used on "black routes" may be affected.  Anyway, he confirmed there will be a recall within the next few days or so.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: genie on June 23, 2017, 02:20:35 pm
The definition of regular use on black routes is obviously open to interpretation. How are you going to know whether your use fall into this category? At face value this sounds like a cavalier attitude. I find it puzzling as the consequences can obviously be fatal.
My bike was checked this week while it was in the workshop and judged to be OK as there was no gap - apparently up to a 2 mm gap is allowed.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: BLK on June 23, 2017, 02:29:03 pm
I have seen the fix and looks neat and tidy.Can't comment on the Engineering aspect of it.I think use common sense  should be applied and just check before and after each ride for obvious oil seepage or gap.I think it really does apply to if you are going to be doing serious black routes or riding the bike like a MX machine that you should be cautious until your bike has been fixed.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: adrekruger on June 23, 2017, 02:31:28 pm
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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on June 23, 2017, 02:45:59 pm
Just before the GS trophy, during a tyre-fitting visit to Bavarian they picked up that mine was separating, and replaced the stanchions. I am by no means a black route rider, and don't abuse my bike. In fact, my skills fall far short of serious offroading so I stick to gravel roads and such. Done breedts nek a few times though, but wouldn't consider that to be black route.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on June 23, 2017, 04:22:25 pm
Just spoke to dealer in Nelspruit - they have received their special tool already, but parts to fit only as from Monday. ALL bikes will be fitted, irrespective of any obvious separation or not.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 23, 2017, 05:36:54 pm
The definition of regular use on black routes is obviously open to interpretation. How are you going to know whether your use fall into this category? At face value this sounds like a cavalier attitude. I find it puzzling as the consequences can obviously be fatal.
My bike was checked this week while it was in the workshop and judged to be OK as there was no gap - apparently up to a 2 mm gap is allowed.

Keep in mind, I typed a paragraph to summarize a reasonably long and interesting discussion.  You should therefore not read anything about attitudes into that, nor find it puzzling.  The definition of black route was pretty clear to me and I thought most WildDogs would understand, so I used it.  It would be the worst and most challenging routes on a GS challenge. 



Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: gee on June 24, 2017, 09:05:57 am
i was in for my 10k service and a bike was brought in that the fork that had separated. I think if you riding and it happens it could be nasty. They put new shocks on mine the same time too;D.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 24, 2017, 09:16:26 am
Official comms from BMW:

https://web.facebook.com/notes/bmw-motorrad-south-africa/bmw-r-1200-gs-r-1200-gs-adventure-service-campaign/1404781736268520/

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: windswept on June 24, 2017, 01:28:49 pm
i was in for my 10k service and a bike was brought in that the fork that had separated. I think if you riding and it happens it could be nasty. They put new shocks on mine the same time too;D.

New shocks front and back?  ???
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: fudgypup on June 24, 2017, 05:14:45 pm
I have been following this since last November after I saw it happen on two bikes at the same event.  I started a thread in May here:https://xladv.com/topic/1060-gsgsa-fork-stanchion-problems/

And then yesterday wrote this: https://xladv.com/blogs/entry/10166-bmws-gs-lc-fork-stanchion-issues-linger/

In essence, BMW applied this crimping as a band aid to a previously flawed design they discovered less than two months after the death of journalist Kevin Ash in George at the launch in 2013.

I had read the crimped forks were done to save weight (and cost) but that appears not to be the case.

So it appears the forks have been crap and a known issue since at least April of 2013 and they're only now doing something about it after countless failures and accidents.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: katana on June 24, 2017, 05:36:57 pm
I have been following this since last November after I saw it happen on two bikes at the same event.  I started a thread in May here:https://xladv.com/topic/1060-gsgsa-fork-stanchion-problems/

And then yesterday wrote this: https://xladv.com/blogs/entry/10166-bmws-gs-lc-fork-stanchion-issues-linger/

In essence, BMW applied this crimping as a band aid to a previously flawed design they discovered less than two months after the death of journalist Kevin Ash in George at the launch in 2013.

I had read the crimped forks were done to save weight (and cost) but that appears not to be the case.

So it appears the forks have been crap and a known issue since at least April of 2013 and they're only now doing something about it after countless failures and accidents.
I don't know what changed, but my DOHC has the same crimps anyway.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: fudgypup on June 24, 2017, 05:41:20 pm
same design but different manufacturing.  I had an '11 GSA and never had this issue.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: fudgypup on June 24, 2017, 06:22:09 pm
and now this new piece of news...https://xladv.com/topic/1060-gsgsa-fork-stanchion-problems/?do=findComment&comment=8061

US based BMW service tech at dealer instructing "not to ride your LC GS/GSA until this issue resolved"

Anticipates major recall notice from BMW USA on Monday, June 26th and dealers will be instructed NOT to sell any new or used inventory until the issue has been resolved.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Kawasefi on June 24, 2017, 09:15:31 pm
Not that I have any interest in these bikes with self-undoing suspension, but I saw this link on facebook...

https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/south-africa/article/detail/T0272042EN/bmw-motorrad-south-africa-carries-out-a-service-campaign-on-the-bmw-r-1200-gs-and-r-1200-gs-adventure-models-produced-between-november-2013-and-june-2017
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Jovan on June 24, 2017, 09:45:26 pm
Anyone got any pictures of what the fix looks like?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Snafu on June 26, 2017, 01:28:50 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.

That is in fact not a recall, although it should be

It is merely a service bulletin ,

Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 02:33:34 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.

That is in fact not a recall, although it should be

It is merely a service bulletin ,

Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix

The issued a recall and will probably start fitting the fixes from tomorrow onward.  I have seen the Rumbux solution.  It looks great, but why would anyone pay for the fix?

I have received a SMS from Sandton Motorrad Service department saying that all 2013 to2017 R1200GS and R1200GSA owners should urgently book their bikes for a critical safety check.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on June 26, 2017, 03:21:41 pm
Spoke to Bavarian today. They reckon one can immediately bring the bike in for a check and possible replace of the stanchions. But, the long term fix (addition of the BMW clamp) will only start somewhere in July, when SA receives stock of the component that is to be retrofitted.

So for now, just a safety check. When stock arrives of the part, owners will be contacted and work scheduled for the retrofit.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Snafu on June 26, 2017, 03:35:42 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.

Can I see the recall please. I have only seen the service bulletin. Huge difference

That is in fact not a recall, although it should be

It is merely a service bulletin ,

Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix

The issued a recall and will probably start fitting the fixes from tomorrow onward.  I have seen the Rumbux solution.  It looks great, but why would anyone pay for the fix?

I have received a SMS from Sandton Motorrad Service department saying that all 2013 to2017 R1200GS and R1200GSA owners should urgently book their bikes for a critical safety check.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2017, 04:29:21 pm
Spoke to Bavarian today. They reckon one can immediately bring the bike in for a check and possible replace of the stanchions. But, the long term fix (addition of the BMW clamp) will only start somewhere in July, when SA receives stock of the component that is to be retrofitted.

So for now, just a safety check. When stock arrives of the part, owners will be contacted and work scheduled for the retrofit.

Thanks OomD.  Makes a bit more sense.

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Buffel B on June 26, 2017, 04:39:40 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Snafu on June 27, 2017, 02:08:42 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.

That is in fact not a recall, although it should be

It is merely a service bulletin ,

Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix

The issued a recall and will probably start fitting the fixes from tomorrow onward.  I have seen the Rumbux solution.  It looks great, but why would anyone pay for the fix?

I have received a SMS from Sandton Motorrad Service department saying that all 2013 to2017 R1200GS and R1200GSA owners should urgently book their bikes for a critical safety check.

Where did they issue a recall? I only saw the service bulletin
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 27, 2017, 02:16:01 pm
There will be a re-call on all K50 & K51 fork stanchions, was at Donfords this morning and they (BMW) are issuing a press release today I believe. They will be fitting a press on stainless steel collar to strengthen the top crimp. This is just a precaution as it seems to only be an issue on guys that abuse/ride hard off-road and even  then not all. :deal: :ricky: When you take your bike in for a service they will do the up-grade for free.

That is in fact not a recall, although it should be

It is merely a service bulletin ,

Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix

The issued a recall and will probably start fitting the fixes from tomorrow onward.  I have seen the Rumbux solution.  It looks great, but why would anyone pay for the fix?

I have received a SMS from Sandton Motorrad Service department saying that all 2013 to2017 R1200GS and R1200GSA owners should urgently book their bikes for a critical safety check.

Where did they issue a recall? I only saw the service bulletin

You are correct. 

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JB on June 27, 2017, 02:26:41 pm
Spoke to Bavarian today. They reckon one can immediately bring the bike in for a check and possible replace of the stanchions. But, the long term fix (addition of the BMW clamp) will only start somewhere in July, when SA receives stock of the component that is to be retrofitted.

So for now, just a safety check. When stock arrives of the part, owners will be contacted and work scheduled for the retrofit.

Ook gister selfde storie by Supertech BMW gehoor toe ek my fiets ingeneem het vir sy diens.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Biza on June 27, 2017, 09:08:20 pm
Picture of the fix -

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: fudgypup on June 27, 2017, 11:40:00 pm
Link to US Service Bulletin
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n7ehlucgydqhhwk/31_001_17_Fixed_Fork_Tube_Inspection%5B819b5823%5D.pdf?dl=0

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on June 28, 2017, 05:39:07 am
Seems it is now a recall and no longer a service bulletin?

http://www.iol.co.za/motoring/bikes/bmw-recalls-r1200-gs-for-suspension-problem-9993846
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2017, 08:34:28 am
Anyone that received a permanent fix for theirs? From BMW. I know Rumbux already has a fix

Wow!  Huge respect for the guys at Rumbux.  The have announced that, since BMW now did come forward with a fix, they are canning the production of their product and will not sell them anymore either.  They will also refund anyone who has bought their product and would like to return it so BMW can fit their fix. 

Hats off and a deep bow to the Rumbux lads!
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Fudmucker on June 29, 2017, 05:02:53 am
Another aftermarket fix:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Forkin/i-RgC7csD/0/XL/L1000410-XL.jpg)

Not pooratech by any means (US$150) but seriaasly tough!

I read a post on ADVriders by an aircraft engineer regarding defects:

"Having been an aircraft accident board member in both the military and at a major airline, I can say without hesitation that a known defect does not manifest itself into a critical component failure in every machine. In all incidents/accidents I've investigated that were a result of mechanical failure, once a defect is discovered and analyzed, mechanical or aerospace engineers designed a "fix" or established new inspection/maintenance procedures. And in all cases, operating limitations were established if a complete grounding was not warranted until the "fix" could be installed."

So, if this is what aircraft manufacturers do, I guess it is reasonable for a motorcycle manufacturer to do the same... except they haven't issued operating limitations such as "tar roads only under 120km/hr"...?!  What too about new bikes on the floor being sold - any warning to buyers as to when the "fix" will be done?

If I were an affected customer, I would certainly be wanting new stanchions fitted together with the "fix."
Now lets see what the 2018 model fork stanchions look like!
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: AlanDoyle on June 29, 2017, 09:07:05 am
Hi All, I have the official BMW Fork Stanchion Service Campaign. I will post just now for you all to see and read, thanks.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: AlanDoyle on June 29, 2017, 09:25:03 am
Last one.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2017, 09:51:14 am
Thanks Alan.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: AlanDoyle on June 29, 2017, 10:07:25 am
You welcome!!!  :)
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on June 29, 2017, 10:13:37 am
Now can stop worrying about this k@k and go ride the living $hit out my GS A....after all the guards, etc being installed also today    :dousing:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Andre E on June 29, 2017, 10:22:37 am
I have a cost effective fix for BMW.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170629/001a012f53463e1cbc4597f3c093421a.jpg)
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on June 29, 2017, 10:52:53 am
Now can stop worrying about this k@k and go ride the living $hit out my GS A....after all the guards, etc being installed also today    :dousing:
Who did this for you, Krokonoster?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on June 29, 2017, 10:54:53 am
Auto Alpina Boksburg where I bought my bike.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on June 29, 2017, 11:54:52 am
Auto Alpina Boksburg where I bought my bike.
Thanks. Interesting that they already have parts available to perform the fix... unlike Bavarian Centurion which indicated it should be available in SA from about mid July onwards.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on June 29, 2017, 11:58:50 am
Auto Alpina Boksburg where I bought my bike.
Thanks. Interesting that they already have parts available to perform the fix... unlike Bavarian Centurion which indicated it should be available in SA from about mid July onwards.

Got to say the service I get from that dealership is awesome.   Bloody good price on trade in as well (compared to all other dealers, not to trash any)

Might be out of stock by now though
"I would suggest booking it in for tomorrow as they are running out of clamps for the campaign."
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on June 30, 2017, 11:13:40 pm
Might be wrong (know zit about technical stuff) but found this on facebook and the fix seems to be more than just a clamp over the top?

Apparently, it's what BMW send to dealers (according to the post, not me).  If right, seems decent, no?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 01, 2017, 09:20:39 am
I believe that is the tool that is used to press the bush onto the stanchion.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Esplin on July 02, 2017, 08:35:53 am
Took my LC in Umhlanga BMW yesterday and they told me not to ride the bike. They are waiting for spares that should be here during next week.
Never been on gravel.  15000kms on clock
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 03, 2017, 11:14:15 am
Anyone got any pictures of what the fix looks like?

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: armpump on July 07, 2017, 07:00:40 am
Someone please give me the latest correct info.

My Brother in law has just bought a 2015 1200GS and i want to make sure he gets the right info so that he can confidently come riding off road terrain with us on 990's,1190's, S10's

Bike still has the stock non braced suspension tops

I would hate for him to have accident because of something that could of been avoided.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 07, 2017, 07:38:13 am
I suppose different countries have different rules and legalities, but according to ADVRider many delers in US are not delivering any new bikes, as they need to have the fix applied first. Also, this has apparently changed form a "service bulletin" in the US to a "Recall". I'm sure the difference is only in the legality, etc, as it is the same fix that is applied (as per Krokonoster's photo).

I still ride my GSA every day, commuting to work with it. But I'll avoid the gravel for now until I have the fix done. Senseless, I know, as I (and hundreds of others) went to the GS Trophy weekend and had a ball.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 07, 2017, 09:26:38 am
Someone please give me the latest correct info.

My Brother in law has just bought a 2015 1200GS and i want to make sure he gets the right info so that he can confidently come riding off road terrain with us on 990's,1190's, S10's

Bike still has the stock non braced suspension tops

I would hate for him to have accident because of something that could of been avoided.

The bike needs to go for a check by BMW.
They will tell him if his bike is suffering from the issue, i.e. ride and wait till we have the fix available, or stop riding immediately.
The safety check is likely to find two things:
-  No problems, but the fix will be done once parts are available.
-  Problem started.  The bike needs new fork stanchions and the fix.
The BMW dealer will communicate the above to the owner.
It is easy to keep an eye on them anyway.  Just roll the rubbers down on the stanchions, or cut them off and then watch for a gap developing.

I ride my GS on a daily basis.  I will take it for the check tomorrow.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Doggone on July 07, 2017, 12:50:28 pm
With corporate entities aware of the brand damage that something like this can do, I am amazed that BMW have reacted in such a low - key manner. They know that they will be taken to the cleaners if they are deemed to have a bad attitude that results directly in a serious injury or death of a biker. I must therefore assume that they have fone a risk assessment and think their response is appropriate. I will however keep checking fir myself.............just.....in....case...!

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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: rohann on July 07, 2017, 01:22:41 pm
The question I have is why do the have press fitted end caps on there stanchions instead of screw caps which is way better????  :peepwall:  :peepwall:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: armpump on July 07, 2017, 02:43:31 pm
Someone please give me the latest correct info.

My Brother in law has just bought a 2015 1200GS and i want to make sure he gets the right info so that he can confidently come riding off road terrain with us on 990's,1190's, S10's

Bike still has the stock non braced suspension tops

I would hate for him to have accident because of something that could of been avoided.

The bike needs to go for a check by BMW.
They will tell him if his bike is suffering from the issue, i.e. ride and wait till we have the fix available, or stop riding immediately.
The safety check is likely to find two things:
-  No problems, but the fix will be done once parts are available.
-  Problem started.  The bike needs new fork stanchions and the fix.
The BMW dealer will communicate the above to the owner.
It is easy to keep an eye on them anyway.  Just roll the rubbers down on the stanchions, or cut them off and then watch for a gap developing.

I ride my GS on a daily basis.  I will take it for the check tomorrow.

IE : So don't take him on a proper off road trail with jumps,donga etc till fixed is what you saying.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 07, 2017, 06:36:04 pm
Dealer phoned me this afternoon. Asked if I can please bring my bike in on Monday morning. Parts and tools and all are there and ready....
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Mayhem on July 07, 2017, 08:40:40 pm
Also got a notification today to bring my bike in for a checkup and repair if necessary. Will take it in on Monday
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JABO on July 07, 2017, 10:21:20 pm
 Mine went for 30k service today. Dealer advised me that both my forks are over the allowable gap limit and that they will call me next week to set up a date to replace the forks. For now both rubbers are rolled back so i can watch the gap daily.

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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 07, 2017, 10:48:20 pm
BMW kry pakslae oor die storie hoor.
Hartseer eintlik  :'(
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 08, 2017, 01:37:47 pm
Was vanoggend gou by Bavarian ook, en die stanchions wat net voor die trophy naweek nuut opgesit was het reeds te veel van 'n gaping om net die clamps oor te druk, en moet dus eers vervang word. So ek moet wag tot daar weer stanchions in voorraad is. Blykbaar is ek nr 160 op die lys...
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 08, 2017, 02:01:19 pm
Was vanoggend gou by Bavarian ook, en die stanchions wat net voor die trophy naweek nuut opgesit was het reeds te veel van 'n gaping om net die clamps oor te druk, en moet dus eers vervang word. So ek moet wag tot daar weer stanchions in voorraad is. Blykbaar is ek nr 160 op die lys...
Jy kan altyd Nelspruit toe ry. Hulle se hulle het oorgenoeg voorraad. Bel dalk en maak 'n afspraak vir jou as jy sou wou...
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 08, 2017, 02:15:55 pm
Was vanoggend gou by Bavarian ook, en die stanchions wat net voor die trophy naweek nuut opgesit was het reeds te veel van 'n gaping om net die clamps oor te druk, en moet dus eers vervang word. So ek moet wag tot daar weer stanchions in voorraad is. Blykbaar is ek nr 160 op die lys...
Jy kan altyd Nelspruit toe ry. Hulle se hulle het oorgenoeg voorraad. Bel dalk en maak 'n afspraak vir jou as jy sou wou...
Wel, met 0.25mm gapings (en Bavarian wat voorstel ek ry nie die bike nie) sal ek maar nie al die pad Nelspruit toe ry nie. Ek het darem swambo se bike om intussen te ry. As sy my gaan toelaat, bygesÍ :lol8:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 08, 2017, 02:19:13 pm
Trailer het ek in gedagte gehad. Maar ja, as jy kan wag dan is dit beter seker. Spaar geld met hierdie bleddie duur tolhekke
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 08, 2017, 08:33:19 pm
So ek neem aan die manne park die bikes nou?
Ek sou as ek een gehad het.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2017, 08:49:06 pm
Ek commute maar nog elke dag.  Wou dit gister gevat het vir 'n check, mar nie daarby uitgekom nie.  Sal mar kyk Maandag.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: windswept on July 08, 2017, 10:34:38 pm
Parking mine until I get an appointment. Have to travel 150 km to get there, so will be taking a very chilled ride in. 8)
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Esplin on July 09, 2017, 06:58:47 am
Went to Umhlanga BMW to get mine checked and was told not to ride the bike until they could fix the front shocks.

Got told yesterday stock has arrived. Taking bike in on Monday.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Duke916 on July 10, 2017, 08:33:05 am
Zambesi will be collecting 2 bikes at my house to do the mod on thursday  :thumleft: Scoring a free wash as well  :ricky:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on July 10, 2017, 08:59:12 am
Discussion at BMW Motorad design studio:

"Hans... ve hef a cheaper solution to screw in stanchion end caps... ve just crimp them..."

"Brilliant Steiner... but now ve hef to design a rubber cap to cover those ugly dimples..."

Design Engineers...


also have their off days it seems.  >:D :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 10, 2017, 03:25:39 pm
I filmed the process courtesy of Eastview BMW Nelspruit.

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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170710/039a742bebb219b4cf33f3f3dac24156.jpg)

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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 10, 2017, 03:30:11 pm
Will upload two short clips shortly of you guys are interested in seeing them?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2017, 03:53:36 pm
Will upload two short clips shortly of you guys are interested in seeing them?

Definitely interested, please?

Mine was checked.  Gap within spec.  Bush fitted.  Took less than an hour.  My major complaint is they were all out of muffins!  SIES!!!   :ricky:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2017, 06:37:36 pm
Draadwerk se videos:






Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 10, 2017, 08:32:01 pm
Thanks Bear
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 10, 2017, 11:02:48 pm
Ah ok, lyk of dit die probleem sal oplos yes  :thumleft:
Nice  8)
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 08:30:41 am
SWAMBO took her bike yesterday.  Well within spec.  Stanchion bushes fitted.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: rohann on July 12, 2017, 03:43:02 pm
More like issue covering up bushes  :peepwall: :peepwall:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 12, 2017, 09:02:41 pm
Ek was vandag by BMW hier in PE. Ek het nog nooit so baie GS bikes gesien voor die workshop staan nie! En daar was baie bikes wat op pallets vasgemaak was nog, wat jy kan sien die couriers daar afgelaai het. Almal kliente se bikes.

Skoon my gat afgeskrik, dit lyk wreed jong  :peepwall:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Andre E on July 12, 2017, 09:35:01 pm
Ek was vandag by BMW hier in PE. Ek het nog nooit so baie GS bikes gesien voor die workshop staan nie! En daar was baie bikes wat op pallets vasgemaak was nog, wat jy kan sien die couriers daar afgelaai het. Almal kliente se bikes.

Skoon my gat afgeskrik, dit lyk wreed jong  :peepwall:
Was ook daar vandag. Lyk soos 'n veiling daar.
Wat bly oor om te koop in die klas?
KTM het ook sy kak, Tenere is kak boring.
Miskien Ducati nou dat hier 'n diens agent is.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 12, 2017, 10:45:01 pm
OK, so hierdie klein issuetjie is nou geskiedenis.

Wat is volgende?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 12, 2017, 11:22:50 pm
OK, so hierdie klein issuetjie is nou geskiedenis.

Wat is volgende?

nee weet nie, vertel, ons sal luister  :biggrin:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Rooikoos on July 13, 2017, 06:52:02 am
My broer het syne gister laat doen, dit lyk nogal goed! Net jammer hulle het vergeet om die yearly service te doen waarvoor die bike eintlik ingeboek was!  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: caconcepts on July 13, 2017, 07:18:28 am
Based on those videos it is clear that only the Germans can engineer a solution that is 100 times more complex than the initial problem. :3some:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Koet on July 13, 2017, 09:59:01 am
Was ook daar vandag. Lyk soos 'n veiling daar.
Wat bly oor om te koop in die klas?
KTM het ook sy kak, Tenere is kak boring.
Miskien Ducati nou dat hier 'n diens agent is.

Honda AT!  My 1200GS (2008) geruil vir een en baie happy.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Andre E on July 13, 2017, 10:31:05 am
Was ook daar vandag. Lyk soos 'n veiling daar.
Wat bly oor om te koop in die klas?
KTM het ook sy kak, Tenere is kak boring.
Miskien Ducati nou dat hier 'n diens agent is.

Honda AT!  My 1200GS (2008) geruil vir een en baie happy.
Ek is minder off road en meer high speed met pillion.
Daai Ducati word elke dag mooier vir my.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on July 13, 2017, 09:44:53 pm
Booking a test ride next week... :sip:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 13, 2017, 10:33:21 pm
Booking a test ride next week... :sip:

Take a neckbrace  :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Skipskop on July 14, 2017, 01:53:42 am
Mense, ek hoop die mod. sort die storie uit. Persoonlik dink ek nie so nie.
Weet iemand dalk met presies hoevel druk daai stantions oorspronklik op gekrimp word ? En teenoor dit, watse druk die ou poeperige aluminuim clampies op dieselfde area toepas ?
En onthou, daar work heeltemal ander "Twisting forces" op die geafekteerde area toegepas op die BMW as wat dit op n gewone tipe bike doen.
Of het ek dit mis ?
Ek besef BMW sal nie n bike wat reeds n speeling of gap het probeer herstel met die mod. nie. Maaar, ek dink die hele episode is nog ver van opgelos af. Die is net n tydelike fix. Daar moet n hele nuwe ontwerpte stantion gebou word en al die geafekteerde bikes s`n moet hernu word .
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Draadwerk on July 14, 2017, 05:14:48 am
Hy word gekrimp teen 140 NM.

As jy gaan kyk na die videos wat gepost was oor die proses hoe die bush aangesit word, sal jy sien dat dit 'n voldoende fix is.

Dit is krag wat teen krag werk, by gebrek aan beter terminologie van my kant af.

Ek is oortuig die fix is goed.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2017, 06:18:09 am
Hy word gekrimp teen 140 NM.

As jy gaan kyk na die videos wat gepost was oor die proses hoe die bush aangesit word, sal jy sien dat dit 'n voldoende fix is.

Dit is krag wat teen krag werk, by gebrek aan beter terminologie van my kant af.

Ek is oortuig die fix is goed.

Ek stem saam en as jy Adie (wat so fix gemaak het voor BMW) se boodskap in die ander thread lees, sal mens rustig wees.  Dit sal werk.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 14, 2017, 06:25:45 am
Die nuwe clamps pas nie uitermatige druk toe op die stanchions, met die doel om die stanchionc stywer vas te druk teen die binneste insert nie. Die 140NM torque is waarmee die clamp afgeskuif word oor die stanchion, maar dis nie die druk wat die clamp self op die stanchion toepas nie.

Die clamp se doel is eenvoudig: Vehoed dat die stanchion kan misvorm. Ek het voorheen al die voorbeeld gebruik van 2 pype wat jy binne in mekaar skuif, en dan begin wikkel. Op 'n stadium gaan die buitenste pyp begin flare by sy mond, en sodoende meer los raak van die binneste pyp af. Dit is wat fout gaan met die stanchions. Die clamp verhoed envoudig dat die buitenste pyp (oftewel, die stanchion) kan oop flare, en sodoende kan dit nie los werk nie. As dit nie kan loswerk nie gaan dit nie aftrek van die insert/cap af nie.

Die mees effekteifste en elegante oplossing is gewoonlik oof die wat die eenvoudigste is.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on July 14, 2017, 12:32:26 pm
Die nuwe clamps pas nie uitermatige druk toe op die stanchions, met die doel om die stanchionc stywer vas te druk teen die binneste insert nie. Die 140NM torque is waarmee die clamp afgeskuif word oor die stanchion, maar dis nie die druk wat die clamp self op die stanchion toepas nie.

Die clamp se doel is eenvoudig: Vehoed dat die stanchion kan misvorm. Ek het voorheen al die voorbeeld gebruik van 2 pype wat jy binne in mekaar skuif, en dan begin wikkel. Op 'n stadium gaan die buitenste pyp begin flare by sy mond, en sodoende meer los raak van die binneste pyp af. Dit is wat fout gaan met die stanchions. Die clamp verhoed envoudig dat die buitenste pyp (oftewel, die stanchion) kan oop flare, en sodoende kan dit nie los werk nie. As dit nie kan loswerk nie gaan dit nie aftrek van die insert/cap af nie.

Die mees effekteifste en elegante oplossing is gewoonlik oof die wat die eenvoudigste is.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Dustbin Dog on July 14, 2017, 12:46:35 pm
My GS was sorted yesterday at Auto Alpina Boksburg. In and out in less than an hour. Awesome service. Thanks Graham, and Daniel for the cappuccinos.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Duke916 on July 14, 2017, 01:01:19 pm
My bike is vanoggend by die huis afgelewer, die repair lyk goed  :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2017, 01:29:04 pm
Die mees effekteifste en elegante oplossing is gewoonlik oof die wat die eenvoudigste is.

Ek dink ek stam saam, maar veerstaan nie belangrike ingenieursterm (in bold) wat jy hierbo gebruik het nie.   :lol8:

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Andre E on July 14, 2017, 02:16:35 pm
BMW Germany  just released an astonishing fact. THE MORE YOU WHEELIE THE LONGER YOUR STANCHIONS LAST.  IT ALIGNS ITSELF ON IMPACT.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 14, 2017, 02:18:02 pm
BMW Germany  just released an astonishing fact. THE MORE YOU WHEELIE THE LONGER YOUR STANCHIONS LAST.  IT ALIGNS ITSELF ON IMPACT.

woo hoo...was going to teach myself to wheelie the weekend anyhow (apparently suspension: hard, traction control off, dynamic mode.....gotta love youtube)
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 14, 2017, 02:35:32 pm
Die mees effekteifste en elegante oplossing is gewoonlik oof die wat die eenvoudigste is.

Ek dink ek stam saam, maar veerstaan nie belangrike ingenieursterm (in bold) wat jy hierbo gebruik het nie.   :lol8:
Ek tik soms vinnig, dan maak my rekenaar spelfoute...  :lol8:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2017, 08:02:49 pm
BMW Germany  just released an astonishing fact. THE MORE YOU WHEELIE THE LONGER YOUR STANCHIONS LAST.  IT ALIGNS ITSELF ON IMPACT.

woo hoo...was going to teach myself to wheelie the weekend anyhow (apparently suspension: hard, traction control off, dynamic mode.....gotta love youtube)

Probeer maar eers stadig.  Nes jou bike nou daar is.  Trek weg in eerste rat.  Sodra die clutch heeltemal uit is, draai die throttle oop so hard en vinnig jy kan.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 14, 2017, 08:14:43 pm
BMW Germany  just released an astonishing fact. THE MORE YOU WHEELIE THE LONGER YOUR STANCHIONS LAST.  IT ALIGNS ITSELF ON IMPACT.

woo hoo...was going to teach myself to wheelie the weekend anyhow (apparently suspension: hard, traction control off, dynamic mode.....gotta love youtube)

Probeer maar eers stadig.  Nes jou bike nou daar is.  Trek weg in eerste rat.  Sodra die clutch heeltemal uit is, draai die throttle oop so hard en vinnig jy kan.

Sal so maak.  :-D
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 14, 2017, 08:32:01 pm
BMW Germany  just released an astonishing fact. THE MORE YOU WHEELIE THE LONGER YOUR STANCHIONS LAST.  IT ALIGNS ITSELF ON IMPACT.

woo hoo...was going to teach myself to wheelie the weekend anyhow (apparently suspension: hard, traction control off, dynamic mode.....gotta love youtube)

Probeer maar eers stadig.  Nes jou bike nou daar is.  Trek weg in eerste rat.  Sodra die clutch heeltemal uit is, draai die throttle oop so hard en vinnig jy kan.

Sal so maak.  :-D

Goed so.

Die wiel sal so paar cm lig voor traction control dit keer.  As jy dit gewoond is, gaan na Dynamic Mode.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 17, 2017, 11:05:06 pm
Geen Sand.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: GeenSand on July 19, 2017, 11:16:04 am
Jip...

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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: 1190 on July 20, 2017, 10:13:58 am
What did the KTM 1290R say to the BMW 1200LC................?

I don't recall :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: rohann on July 20, 2017, 10:14:58 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 20, 2017, 10:20:24 am
I don't recall
lol.
https://motorbikewriter.com/ktm-recalls-1290-super-duke-gt/

http://www.ktm.com/us/service/safety/


Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: 1190 on July 20, 2017, 10:23:24 am
I don't recall
lol.
https://motorbikewriter.com/ktm-recalls-1290-super-duke-gt/

http://www.ktm.com/us/service/safety/
That wasn't the GT asking the LC :lol8: it was the R :lol8:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2017, 01:00:46 pm
What did the KTM 1290R say to the BMW 1200LC................?

I don't recall :imaposer: :imaposer:

Who is guilty of plagiarism?  KTM, or Yamaha!  BIEG!   :thumleft:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=212825.0
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: 1190 on July 20, 2017, 01:47:40 pm
What did the KTM 1290R say to the BMW 1200LC................?

I don't recall :imaposer: :imaposer:

Who is guilty of plagiarism?  KTM, or Yamaha!  BIEG!   :thumleft:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=212825.0
Don't be silly everybody knows Yamaha's can't speak :pot: :lol8:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2017, 02:58:25 pm
What did the KTM 1290R say to the BMW 1200LC................?

I don't recall :imaposer: :imaposer:

Who is guilty of plagiarism?  KTM, or Yamaha!  BIEG!   :thumleft:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=212825.0
Don't be silly everybody knows Yamaha's can't speak :pot: :lol8:

Apologies.  My bad.   :laughing4:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 21, 2017, 06:20:40 am
So how's this for good service?

Bavarian (Centurion) still haven't received stock of replacement stanchions, they only have the clamp. But as my stanchions have a gap of 0.25mm they need to replaced, the clamps alone cannot be fitted. So what does Bavarian do? They buy a lot of the aftermarket clamps (the bolt-on ones) and install it as a temporary measure, to be replaced off course when the stanchions arrive. This allows clients to continue riding, and they don't charge a cent for it!

Well done, Bavarian, well done.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: caconcepts on July 21, 2017, 07:07:57 am
 :laughing4: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 21, 2017, 11:29:20 am
My big concern, BMW press on clamp is not for clamping or crimping the stanchion but for stopping the stanchion from deforming.

No with that pressed on cap, how do you inspect the gap to see if its pulling apart?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 21, 2017, 11:32:19 am
So how's this for good service?

Bavarian (Centurion) still haven't received stock of replacement stanchions, they only have the clamp. But as my stanchions have a gap of 0.25mm they need to replaced, the clamps alone cannot be fitted. So what does Bavarian do? They buy a lot of the aftermarket clamps (the bolt-on ones) and install it as a temporary measure, to be replaced off course when the stanchions arrive. This allows clients to continue riding, and they don't charge a cent for it!

Well done, Bavarian, well done.  :thumleft:

 :thumleft:

As many of us, so often say, a cut above. 


My big concern, BMW press on clamp is not for clamping or crimping the stanchion but for stopping the stanchion from deforming.

No with that pressed on cap, how do you inspect the gap to see if its pulling apart?

Why be concerned?  There are hundreds of other areas on any vehicle that could fail catastrophically where you cannot see it coming anyway.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: jangys on July 21, 2017, 12:42:06 pm
What did the Triumph Explorer say to the BMW GS?


We don't recall
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 21, 2017, 12:46:40 pm
My big concern, BMW press on clamp is not for clamping or crimping the stanchion but for stopping the stanchion from deforming.

No with that pressed on cap, how do you inspect the gap to see if its pulling apart?
Well, seeing that the deformation leads to the pulling apart, I'd say it cannot pull apart once the potential deformation is stopped. But, you can always make a mark where the clamp meets the stanchion (or the upper cap) and keep an eye on this slignment mark if you want.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Welsh on July 21, 2017, 01:00:37 pm
So same design principle for 20 odd years on way heavier bikes, R1100 no issue, R1150 no issue, R1200 oilhead no issue, now they fark it up?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 21, 2017, 01:56:02 pm
What did the Triumph Explorer say to the BMW GS?


We don't recall

Proof positive that Triumphs are slow!

This joke, yesterday morning by KTM.
Same joke, yesterday afternoon by Yamaha.
Now only, a full day later by Triumph Slowpoke Explorer.   :lol8:


So same design principle for 20 odd years on way heavier bikes, R1100 no issue, R1150 no issue, R1200 oilhead no issue, now they fark it up?

Indeed.  Probably due to shaving a tad too much to save on manufacturing costs.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 22, 2017, 10:31:28 pm
het al die GSA manne nog hulle tanne?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JABO on July 23, 2017, 08:26:04 am
Received new sanctions with pressed bushes yesterday from Bavarian.
They replaced it in 25 minutes.
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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 23, 2017, 11:10:15 pm
Something seriously wrong with my stanchions!

For 2 weekends I did my best.....the bastards just don't want to come off?    Slaan my dronk...

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 24, 2017, 06:35:13 am
Something seriously wrong with my stanchions!

For 2 weekends I did my best.....the bastards just don't want to come off?    Slaan my dronk...



^Awesome! Where is this place?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 24, 2017, 08:43:27 am
^Awesome! Where is this place?

Feedback Park., 33 Sesmylspruit Street,  Centurion

Check them on vleisbook: https://www.facebook.com/feedbackpark.  Learned more there than all the courses I did combined  (guys sommer tutor you for free)

Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: GeenSand on July 24, 2017, 11:13:34 am
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Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on July 24, 2017, 11:20:03 am
^Awesome! Where is this place?

Feedback Park., 33 Sesmylspruit Street,  Centurion

Check them on vleisbook: https://www.facebook.com/feedbackpark.  Learned more there than all the courses I did combined  (guys sommer tutor you for free)
Amazing! Just about on my doorstep, and I've never heard of them! I really need to get out more  :lol8:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 24, 2017, 09:52:30 pm
Something seriously wrong with my stanchions!

For 2 weekends I did my best.....the bastards just don't want to come off?    Slaan my dronk...



mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 24, 2017, 09:56:11 pm
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:     Ek sal maar een of ander tyd 'n KTM of Yamaha kry.  Net eers spaar vir 'n bakkie en trailer om die goed erens te kry.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 24, 2017, 09:58:13 pm
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:     Ek sal maar een of ander tyd 'n KTM of Yamaha kry.  Net eers spaar vir 'n bakkie en trailer om die goed erens te kry.

Kom ek help jou reg. As jy KTM ry, al hoe jy ELKE naweek n bike gaan he om te ry, is as jy 2 van hulle het  :imaposer: Want een staan altyd in die workshop.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 24, 2017, 10:09:35 pm
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

skop jy my nou in die feels bra.  Ek leer nog...die jaar eers begin ry. 
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 24, 2017, 10:16:09 pm
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

skop jy my nou in die feels bra.  Ek leer nog...die jaar eers begin ry.

Jy kom mooi reg man, volgende jaar die tyd sal jy dan seker 3de rat kan hak al  :imaposer:   :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 24, 2017, 10:20:42 pm
Ek maak net gat man, dis great stuff daai, bitter min ouens kan tyres so ry, glo nie eers ek sal kan nie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 24, 2017, 10:23:49 pm
Ek maak net gat man, dis great stuff daai, bitter min ouens kan tyres so ry, glo nie eers ek sal kan nie  :thumleft:

Nee jy kan...met 'n GS.     :pot: :imaposer: :laughing4:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Manic on July 24, 2017, 10:25:10 pm
Ek maak net gat man, dis great stuff daai, bitter min ouens kan tyres so ry, glo nie eers ek sal kan nie  :thumleft:

Nee jy kan...met 'n GS.     :pot: :imaposer: :laughing4:

Ek wou, maar my tanne porsie op Medies is opgebruik, en hoe gaan ek lyk sonder voortanne vd volgende jaar?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: rohann on July 25, 2017, 09:24:54 am
So om veilig te wees kry maar twee KTM's en 'n GS  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Jacobsroodt on July 26, 2017, 12:32:00 pm
Saw how the stanchion repair is done. It is a quick repair. A cone gets crimped over the standard head if the gap is less than 0.2mm. Of course you have to have the right cone and tool, but easy gets it done!
Both sides have to be repaired, but the shocks comes out quickly, and refitting is quickly.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 26, 2017, 04:48:15 pm
So my LC is not part of the problematic bikes. Mine was the last build before they added the stearing damper. The funny thing is that everyone said the bike is dangerous without the stearing damper, now I'm glad I do not have one.

The tooling was changed in August to share parts with the RT......maybe they used the road shocks on the GS's 
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Duke916 on July 27, 2017, 08:57:37 am
Ummm its not a shock, it has no damping abilities at all  :lamer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 27, 2017, 10:07:39 am
Ummm its not a shock, it has no damping abilities at all  :lamer:

 :thumleft:
Stanchions, chrome pipe, shock, forks......call it what you want. Sure MOST people know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Slaaiblaar on July 27, 2017, 10:09:07 am
So my LC is not part of the problematic bikes. Mine was the last build before they added the stearing damper. The funny thing is that everyone said the bike is dangerous without the stearing damper, now I'm glad I do not have one.

The tooling was changed in August to share parts with the RT......maybe they used the road shocks Suspension parts on the GS's
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: subie on July 27, 2017, 10:53:43 am
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

skop jy my nou in die feels bra.  Ek leer nog...die jaar eers begin ry.

As n ou eers so iets se dan glo ek hom nie meer nie. Saam met n paar sulke bullshitters al gery wat se ons het net gister begin ry
dan ry mens net so n entjie dan ry jy in hulle stof soos die ouens ry. Dink nou maar aan McSack en JouPa  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: krokonoster on July 27, 2017, 11:10:36 am
mag ek iets vra? Ek sien nerens dat jy oor 40kph gegaan het nie, hoekom? bang jou vurke val uit  :imaposer:  :imaposer:

skop jy my nou in die feels bra.  Ek leer nog...die jaar eers begin ry.

As n ou eers so iets se dan glo ek hom nie meer nie. Saam met n paar sulke bullshitters al gery wat se ons het net gister begin ry
dan ry mens net so n entjie dan ry jy in hulle stof soos die ouens ry. Dink nou maar aan McSack en JouPa  :spitcoffee:

Seriuosly.  Ry net elke dag, gaan practice halfuur of so na werk as ek kan en naweke eerder Feedback Park as 'n boring plat grondpad.  Seker silly maar smaak obstacles, etc lot.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on July 27, 2017, 12:42:12 pm
Ummm its not a shock, it has no damping abilities at all  :lamer:
Why does it have oil then?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 27, 2017, 02:58:47 pm
Ummm its not a shock, it has no damping abilities at all  :lamer:
Why does it have oil then?

Lubrication of the moving parts.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on July 28, 2017, 12:00:39 pm
Draadwerk se videos:






Videos verwyder deur You Tube.  Iemand het gekla dat ek die "privacy policy" gebreek het met die videos.  Iemand het gekla.  Ek neem aan dis een van die twee manne wat mens op die video kon sien.   Ons moet maar solank oefen om "sorry" te sÍ Draadwerk.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JB on August 07, 2017, 04:53:31 pm
Wie wag ook nog om hulle stanchions/bushes vervang te kry? Ek word al van 26 Junie af belowe voorraad uit Duitsland word "volgende week" verwag.....
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on August 07, 2017, 07:15:51 pm
Wie wag ook nog om hulle stanchions/bushes vervang te kry? Ek word al van 26 Junie af belowe voorraad uit Duitsland word "volgende week" verwag.....
Selfde hier. Maar Bavarian was gaaf genoeg om intussen ander clamps op te sit sodat ek darem nog kan ry.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: YoungGSer on August 11, 2017, 02:31:04 pm
I would like to know how many people are also being stuffed around by BMW.

Every time I phone Continental BMW in PE about bringing my bike in to have the stanchions done I get given a different story....
We don't know when we will get delivery of the parts from BMW SA,
BMW SA don't know when they will be receiving more parts from global BMW,
The manufacturer is struggling to get material to make the parts (WTF kind of kak excuse is that),
The bike needs to be with us so we can measure if there is any stanchion separation before we order the parts (even though all 2017 models will need to be replaced anyway  :o ).

Both the dealer principal and BMW SA were about as useful as a chocolate teapot when I ask them for info.

This definitely not the type of service I have come to like and expect from BMW.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2017, 10:36:07 am
I would like to know how many people are also being stuffed around by BMW.

Every time I phone Continental BMW in PE about bringing my bike in to have the stanchions done I get given a different story....
We don't know when we will get delivery of the parts from BMW SA,
BMW SA don't know when they will be receiving more parts from global BMW,
The manufacturer is struggling to get material to make the parts (WTF kind of kak excuse is that),
The bike needs to be with us so we can measure if there is any stanchion separation before we order the parts (even though all 2017 models will need to be replaced anyway  :o ).

Both the dealer principal and BMW SA were about as useful as a chocolate teapot when I ask them for info.

This definitely not the type of service I have come to like and expect from BMW.

This sounds like crap service, but surely they have the stanchion bushes?  Take your bike in and let them measure.  If in spec, they should be able to fit the bushes in 45 minutes.  If out of spec that is another issue.  It seems stanchions are in short supply.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: YoungGSer on August 22, 2017, 03:50:38 pm
So...
After a few weeks of fighting and threatening the top brass at BMW SA, my bike has been booked in for the stanchion replacement next week.

Moral of the story, keep hassling your BMW dealership until they do it and don't be scared to phone the top brass.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Fudmucker on August 23, 2017, 09:33:01 am
I think that some dealers have been overwhelmed by the task and are using any excuse to justify delays.
I am not directly affected, but my information is that BMW Motorrad SA is now supplying ready-modified stanchions for immediate exchange.
Getting stocks thereof took some time from Germany, which is why the collar kits and  were shipped out first.

I would suggest that your gripe is with the local dealer principal.
Some dealers actually bought aftermarket clamps to temporarily fit to the bikes of affected customers so they could continue riding while waiting for the official fix.
Some dealers give superb service... some give lesser service.
Buyer take note.
 
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: silvrav on September 08, 2017, 07:46:31 am
Bmw Sandton still don't have stock but my bike is going for 10k service on Monday anyways. They said they will keep bike till they get parts if I can't ride with it and I will keep loan bike till I get my bike back  O0
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: JB on September 12, 2017, 12:08:42 pm
Bike has been collected (since promises of "next week" since June) to have the stanchions done. (BMW-on-Call nogal)   

Hoef binnekort nie meer al Natal se derduisende spoedhobbels met angs te benader nie...... :imaposer:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: silvrav on September 12, 2017, 01:33:48 pm
Bmw Sandton still don't have stock but my bike is going for 10k service on Monday anyways. They said they will keep bike till they get parts if I can't ride with it and I will keep loan bike till I get my bike back  O0

Mine was all done yesterday with my 10k service. lets hope and see
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Edd on October 08, 2017, 03:56:47 pm
Mine finally booked in at Bavarian on Wednesday.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Omninorm on October 10, 2017, 03:58:36 pm


Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: silvrav on October 11, 2017, 08:18:47 am


So do you think that tool comes from BMW germany as well?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Omninorm on October 11, 2017, 10:32:54 am


So do you think that tool comes from BMW germany as well?

Not sure hey.
Mine was done 1 week after the recall and the first method since mine was not separating.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Brucet on January 01, 2018, 09:09:33 am
Just bought a new GSA and before they would give it to me the front shocks/stanchions where replaced with new ones. Apparently doing this on all new bikes.
Spot welded and crimped around the entire circumference
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on January 03, 2018, 07:43:46 am
Dit lyk kak... :sip:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Jughead on January 03, 2018, 08:31:05 am
Dit lyk kak... :sip:

That's not what you see.  The top end is normally covered by a rubber boot.  In the pic above the boot has been pulled back.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Brucet on January 03, 2018, 08:50:59 am
Dit lyk kak... :sip:

Yes that pic is with the cover removed.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: armpump on January 03, 2018, 10:28:47 am
spot weld ?

rust after heat ?
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Brucet on January 03, 2018, 10:37:28 am
Do they get hot?

All cars are spot welded together.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: armpump on January 03, 2018, 10:40:02 am
Presume plated/coated after weld
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: RobC on January 03, 2018, 03:44:35 pm
Not the solution I would ascribe to German engineering, covered or not... :pot:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: OomD on January 03, 2018, 04:26:02 pm
I'm no metallurgist, but does it mean the steel stanchion is spot welded onto the aluminium cap? Did not know you could do that. Unless, off course, the cap is not aluminium, I could be wrong.

Actually I was wrong once before, turns out I was mistaken.
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: Fudmucker on March 10, 2018, 07:39:19 am
An expensive solution to a 'cheaper' fork construction method.
My '09 GS has no such problems whatsoever.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: fork stanchion separation issue
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2018, 12:57:02 pm
An expensive solution to a 'cheaper' fork construction method.
My '09 GS has no such problems whatsoever.  :thumleft:

Neither did my 09, but I traded it in on an LC anyway.   >:D