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Title: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 10, 2017, 04:23:16 pm
Ok. So following Gerrards successful manner in approaching a what bike problem, I figured I'll follow the same route.

Took XCX  for a little ride this morning, albeit tar only. Have to say that these bikes have always had my attention, reason being, looks,  build quality and motor performance. I was blown away by the power of this machine, but I just had this nagging feeling that the bike feels road orientated. Would have been great to ride some gravel to give me more of a feel for the scoot. I measure in at 1,8 and it felt as if I was in a crouching position all the time. Perhaps bar raisers would sort that, but the bars positioned at a lean angle towards the rider just looks odd.

Currently Triumph has a sweet deal on these bikes and one would almost be stupid to grab one. Still........ Perhaps a older F800 and a Dr650 in the garage is a better bet. Then I have a long distance bike in the F800 that can carry myself, son on pillion and luggage with ease. And jump on the the Dr for thumping pleasure which is close to my heart. I have to confess that the BMW does nothing for my heart rate and I have also never ridden one. That does not negate the fact that they are able and reliable.

So let me hear from the guys with experience on both the Triumph and BMW 800's

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Pistonpete on July 10, 2017, 04:57:43 pm
You either need to be young and stupid or old & wise to ride that triple...it's a handful. I have ridden both but the Triumph comes up roses for me even though not a traditional DS motor.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: unishaun on July 10, 2017, 05:03:21 pm
I love mine and done plenty of dirt with it, I have not ridden an 800gs, but the write ups do say it is the more off road oriented of the two.

The only reason to not consider one is the fact that the dealer support is not nearly as abundant as the likes of BM.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Gérrard on July 10, 2017, 05:04:14 pm
They say buy with your heart, not your head. Some think I bought that KLR with my head... I did not... I must have bought with my heart.

Had I used my head, and following the thread, I would not have bought one. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Battlestar on July 10, 2017, 06:19:09 pm
Very very expensive services at the dealers and kak zero dealer support in KZN. Not sure what the dealer support is like in other provinces. Pity cause I have a huge soft spot for the 1200 explorer.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 10, 2017, 06:35:18 pm
@Piston - It seems you understand my feelings for the Tiger

@unisaun - I remember that the write ups on the XC was against it on offroad riding, but it seems as if the XCX had a few niggles sorted that makes it compete better against the
 F800

@Gerrard - Ja swaer. Ek verstaan daai redenasie heel mooi

@Battlestar - I have enquired regarding the service aspect and it did sound pricey, but not much more than Yamaha. Fortunately, Triumph is not to far from me, so support is close by, but could become a issue elsewhere.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 10, 2017, 07:32:16 pm
I Had the XC and it is a great bike, especially if you are coming from a road bike background.
I don't say it is not good at dirt riding, I have done a bit of dirt riding but it was not easy for me as it needs a bit more revs than I was used to (KLR Thumper/low revs) on and I do not like revving things to perform off road if that makes sense. Yes the trip has loads of torque but it still needs to be revved to get the power down.
I got it sideways on occasional and even 180degree which was unintended although my son though I was cool  :imaposer: Very light handling (my reference)

The bad: The service agents at Kawasaki (where Triumph is based) was a painful experience, and expensive. I did not suffer the 'common problems' on mine but sold it with low km's.
Stepper motor that got dirty and then the bike is very temperamental (probably because I did not ride it hard on dirt)
XCX is nor ride by wire and do not have the stepper motor.
The starter motor gave problems on most and I have read still do.
The biggest concern is the valves that work into the head - this happened on the Daytona and street tripple and then high mileage XC's. I was at Pretoria North bike tyre which is also a bike workshop and the mechanic showed me what happens. This is normally anything from 70k km up. Very expensive fix this one, and I do not know if this is fixed on the XCX and the new range of 765 Street tripple motors that has recently been launched as upgrade to the 675.
The 800 XC motor is based on the Street tripple - just reworked for more torque.
I also do not know if you can prevent this with regular valve clearance - but they told me that you need to drop the motor to set it....and that ads labor cost.
Then to reach the Air filter you need to remove the tank - now I can do it and did do it but it if you are not technically minded I'd say don't go there.
There is also a pre filter (a must!) which helps.

Still, nothing in the class beats it for power, sound and pure joy. If you have a good dealership near you and enough money for the services why not? This is one bike you buy with your heart.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: XRRX on July 10, 2017, 09:18:29 pm
The 800 Triumph's is good if you are more road orientated...
Let's see - why would I not buy one?? ...

1.  I hate the motor - typical superbike "k@K" sound and power-delivery - only makes power at high revs! I took a friend's one up a mountain on a rocky trail (cause he couldn't), it was an absolute nightmare!!!  :eek7: :patch:
2.  I hate the huge distance between seating position and handle-bars ....
3.  Not enough Dealers!

That's about it!
The 800GS is a better all-rounder WITH proper back-up, and the AT is better everywhere!!

But still - if you like it, buy and enjoy it!!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Battlestar on July 11, 2017, 07:02:28 am
The 800 Triumph's is good if you are more road orientated...
Let's see - why would I not buy one?? ...

1.  I hate the motor - typical superbike "k@K" sound and power-delivery - only makes power at high revs! I took a friend's one up a mountain on a rocky trail (cause he couldn't), it was an absolute nightmare!!!  :eek7: :patch:
2.  I hate the huge distance between seating position and handle-bars ....
3.  Not enough Dealers!

That's about it!
The 800GS is a better all-rounder WITH proper back-up, and the AT is better everywhere!!

But still - if you like it, buy and enjoy it!!!  :thumleft:

Forgot about point 2. Also could never get the geometry right even with various types of risers fitted. This was on a mates Tiger when i was keen on getting one.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 11, 2017, 07:44:04 am
Ja. Whats up with that? I can't make sense of that, figured fitting raisers would perhaps kind of sort that problem to a degree, however the bars would still be at a awkward slant and would definitely still not allow for a more aggressive over the bars position that I prefer for some conditions.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: dirt rat on July 11, 2017, 07:44:21 am
Had one - nice ride but if dirt is your thing it is not the best bike - access to the airfilter is painful - the old model had idling issues as soon as it smelled dirt and at 25000km it came to halt with a flattened intake valve.
That was enough to put me off this bike forever.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Buddy on July 11, 2017, 08:00:47 am

 Because you can get a Triumph Scrambler.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dux on July 11, 2017, 08:19:56 am

 Because you can get a Triumph Scrambler.

 :thumleft:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 11, 2017, 08:24:24 am
The scrambler and Thrux. Can't keep my eyes off them. Next level beautiful.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 11, 2017, 08:31:53 am
What's the price of the 800xcx?
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Swannie 685 on July 11, 2017, 09:49:45 am
They say buy with your heart, not your head. Some think I bought that KLR with my head... I did not... I must have bought with my heart.

Had I used my head, and following the thread, I would not have bought one. :imaposer:

Yep and that thread led to more brand bashing than 2SD could ever accomplished in all his postings on BMW`s  :peepwall:

And yet, you ended up buying one, although in your very first post you declared you would not  :biggrin:
And then after 10 pages you bought one - traitor  :imaposer:

But, hell guys. are we going to see threads like these on every damn brand available now ?  :xxbah: :pot:

But in the event you really cannot decide between 2 bikes, why not post in the positive ?  Like: Why would you buy ???..instead of why wouldn`t you buy ?




Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 11, 2017, 10:03:48 am
To bring out all the perceived negatives of specific bikes.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: m0lt3n on July 11, 2017, 10:05:26 am
Why so negative Swannie ^^^^? Cause you ride a KLR :)

I like these threads, its a lot of information, comparative on topic information, in a short discussion.

from what I always understood when comparing the 800 tiger and GS, one needs to look at the specific years they were made. Each year each of these had certain upgrades so that one year the one is a better option and the next year could be the other.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on July 11, 2017, 10:14:47 am
What's the price of the 800xcx?

R159k

and then currently they have some special where they give you R10k - not sure if it then makes the bike R149k or if you can get extras for free to the value of R10k

i guess it would be the later as they never actually reduce the price of anything
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 10:24:52 am
Lol..you lot are a bunch of pussies. You know you want the Triumph, but then everyone else is riding the BMW so you are scared.  On Saturday I rode my XCX over 600km into the Cedarberg, lots of dirt and even mud at Malmesbury. No problems. One of the group was on a GS800 with kak suspension, underpowered motor and looked lovingly all-day at the Triumph. I have done 20 000 km in 1.5 years without issue except for blown fuse.  Did blast from CPT to Durban, two days up, two days down. No problems
The XCX comes with tons of standard kit, WP suspension, full electronics kit, cruise control, bash plates, two aux plugs,  etc.  .  Lots of fun and has never dropped me. Done Die Hell, Baviaans, and more.  Triumph services cost  no more than BMW. This is a bike you want to ride and ride.  Very addictive. But hey rather buy a BMW whose suspension snaps off, far more fun.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 10:25:37 am
Ok. So following Gerrards successful manner in approaching a what bike problem, I figured I'll follow the same route.

Took XCX  for a little ride this morning, albeit tar only. Have to say that these bikes have always had my attention, reason being, looks,  build quality and motor performance. I was blown away by the power of this machine, but I just had this nagging feeling that the bike feels road orientated. Would have been great to ride some gravel to give me more of a feel for the scoot. I measure in at 1,8 and it felt as if I was in a crouching position all the time. Perhaps bar raisers would sort that, but the bars positioned at a lean angle towards the rider just looks odd.

Currently Triumph has a sweet deal on these bikes and one would almost be stupid to grab one. Still........ Perhaps a older F800 and a Dr650 in the garage is a better bet. Then I have a long distance bike in the F800 that can carry myself, son on pillion and luggage with ease. And jump on the the Dr for thumping pleasure which is close to my heart. I have to confess that the BMW does nothing for my heart rate and I have also never ridden one. That does not negate the fact that they are able and reliable.

So let me hear from the guys with experience on both the Triumph and BMW 800's

Trust your gut.
It's correct.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Lou1 on July 11, 2017, 10:31:30 am
My twee sente:

Ek het laasjaar n XCX Low nuut gekoop.

Al die jare road bikes gery, en toe n KLR (30 000 km).  :ricky:

Die Tiger sal die selle pad loop as die KLR, dit gaan net meer kos om regtemaak waneer jy val.  :thumleft:

Die Tiger se groot probleem is die Triumph SA Stealership met hul policy van geen naverkoopdiens.

Boukwaliteid is ook nie op standaard vir die prys van die bike nie. My Tiger se beak (afgebreek) en die side stand het al losvibreer. Triumph se reaksie? - "Jammer om van jou kak te hoor..."  :dousing:

Is ek n Triumph fan? JA!  :thumleft:

Sal ek weer een koop? Nee  :( (Wel, miskien n Scrambler of n Street Twin of n Bonnie...)

BMW se naverkoopdiens sal my moontlik oortuig, of dalk n Africa Twin.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: m0lt3n on July 11, 2017, 10:47:31 am
What's the price of the 800xcx?

R159k

and then currently they have some special where they give you R10k - not sure if it then makes the bike R149k or if you can get extras for free to the value of R10k

i guess it would be the later as they never actually reduce the price of anything

sounds like a very similar deal to the AT now. except that is for R180k but you also get a lot of stuff
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 11, 2017, 11:07:29 am
Ek wil nou nie enige xcx eienaar in die gesit vat nie en ek is seker daar is n paar wat mal is oor hulle fietse, maar dit gaan my verstand tebowe hoekom mens R160k sal betaal vir so n fiets - Dit geld vir die gs800 ook. Daar is tonne beter offroad fietse, tonne beter pad fietse en tonne goedkoper fietse wat beter sal wees van die pad af.

Kyk as jy een moerse Triumph aanhanger is, sure, maar djirre ek verstaan nie dar-deng nie :lol8:

Ek het n ruk terug een gery en dit het gevoel soos n chinese motorfiets van die godkoop variante. Alles voel redelik goedkoop, die susoension is hard tog te sag vir lekker offroad, krag voel ok solank jy hom GEE en die manne huil om n redelike prys te kry wanneer hulle moeg raak.

Ok hy lyk nie te sleg nie, dit kan ek erken.

Is daar enige iemand wat julle van weet wat die xcx gekies het bo n KTM of AT wat altwee gaan toetsbestuur het? Ok ek praat nou nie van dat as n man sy laaste 10000 uit die bank uit gekrap het en nie bietjie kan rek na iets anders nie. Tog is die XCX nie veel goedkoper as wat n sub4000km 1190R gaan wees nie, selfs die 1090R.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 11:15:49 am
I you buy a Triumph you might need to drink your own piss.




So that video of Bear Grylls..."putting it through its paces" then at the end of the video...Paragraph 4. Triumph states themselves that the Triumph is not an offroad motorcycle. Compare that to BMW, Honda and KTM ads.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/veyaoh.jpg)

Your gut feel was right, the engine is great...the rest not so much.
The BMW F800 and Honda AT are better offroad, better backup, more dependable and has better resale. People cant seem to give their Triumphs away.




Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: m0lt3n on July 11, 2017, 11:18:16 am
Ek wil nou nie enige xcx eienaar in die gesit vat nie en ek is seker daar is n paar wat mal is oor hulle fietse, maar dit gaan my verstand tebowe hoekom mens R160k sal betaal vir so n fiets - Dit geld vir die gs800 ook. Daar is tonne beter offroad fietse, tonne beter pad fietse en tonne goedkoper fietse wat beter sal wees van die pad af.

Kyk as jy een moerse Triumph aanhanger is, sure, maar djirre ek verstaan nie dar-deng nie :lol8:

Ek het n ruk terug een gery en dit het gevoel soos n chinese motorfiets van die godkoop variante. Alles voel redelik goedkoop, die susoension is hard tog te sag vir lekker offroad, krag voel ok solank jy hom GEE en die manne huil om n redelike prys te kry wanneer hulle moeg raak.

Ok hy lyk nie te sleg nie, dit kan ek erken.

Is daar enige iemand wat julle van weet wat die xcx gekies het bo n KTM of AT wat altwee gaan toetsbestuur het? Ok ek praat nou nie van dat as n man sy laaste 10000 uit die bank uit gekrap het en nie bietjie kan rek na iets anders nie. Tog is die XCX nie veel goedkoper as wat n sub4000km 1190R gaan wees nie, selfs die 1090R.



Renrew jy is van topic af. Ons moet eers in sirkels redeneer vir so 5 bladsye voor n ding so opgesom mag word. Fokus asb
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: R62 Montagu on July 11, 2017, 11:21:42 am
"Perhaps a older F800 and a Dr650 in the garage is a better bet. Then I have a long distance bike in the F800 that can carry myself, son on pillion and luggage with ease. And jump on the the Dr for thumping pleasure which is close to my heart"

I've not had experience on any of the bikes but:
Depends what you want the bike for - my experience is having two bikes allows you to have the flexibility to really go out and enjoy the different types of riding and not have to battle on terrain that isn't suitable if you only have the one bike. One bike for long distance and another lighter bike for the technical stuff - this has served as a much much better option for me personally.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 11, 2017, 11:22:24 am
I you buy a Triumph you might need to drink your own piss.




So that video of Bear Grylls..."putting it through its paces" then at the end of the video...Paragraph 4. Triumph states themselves that the Triumph is not an offroad motorcycle. Compare that to BMW, Honda and KTM ads.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/veyaoh.jpg)

Your gut feel was right, the engine is great...the rest not so much.
The BMW F800 and Honda AT are better offroad, better backup, more dependable and has better resale. People cant seem to give their Triumphs away.

Amen to that! Although I REALLY dislike everything about a F800. It makes me think of a delivery bike!
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 11, 2017, 11:23:45 am
Ek wil nou nie enige xcx eienaar in die gesit vat nie en ek is seker daar is n paar wat mal is oor hulle fietse, maar dit gaan my verstand tebowe hoekom mens R160k sal betaal vir so n fiets - Dit geld vir die gs800 ook. Daar is tonne beter offroad fietse, tonne beter pad fietse en tonne goedkoper fietse wat beter sal wees van die pad af.

Kyk as jy een moerse Triumph aanhanger is, sure, maar djirre ek verstaan nie dar-deng nie :lol8:

Ek het n ruk terug een gery en dit het gevoel soos n chinese motorfiets van die godkoop variante. Alles voel redelik goedkoop, die susoension is hard tog te sag vir lekker offroad, krag voel ok solank jy hom GEE en die manne huil om n redelike prys te kry wanneer hulle moeg raak.

Ok hy lyk nie te sleg nie, dit kan ek erken.

Is daar enige iemand wat julle van weet wat die xcx gekies het bo n KTM of AT wat altwee gaan toetsbestuur het? Ok ek praat nou nie van dat as n man sy laaste 10000 uit die bank uit gekrap het en nie bietjie kan rek na iets anders nie. Tog is die XCX nie veel goedkoper as wat n sub4000km 1190R gaan wees nie, selfs die 1090R.



Renrew jy is van topic af. Ons moet eers in sirkels redeneer vir so 5 bladsye voor n ding so opgesom mag word. Fokus asb

LOL
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 11:26:17 am
I you buy a Triumph you might need to drink your own piss.




So that video of Bear Grylls..."putting it through its paces" then at the end of the video...Paragraph 4. Triumph states themselves that the Triumph is not an offroad motorcycle. Compare that to BMW, Honda and KTM ads.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/veyaoh.jpg)

Your gut feel was right, the engine is great...the rest not so much.
The BMW F800 and Honda AT are better offroad, better backup, more dependable and has better resale. People cant seem to give their Triumphs away.

Amen to that! Although I REALLY dislike everything about a F800. It makes me think of a delivery bike!



Amen to that! Although I REALLY dislike everything about a F800. It makes me think of a delivery bike!

I had one, picked it over the Triumph XC -  other than the boringly linear power delivery and sewing machine sound with stock exhaust it was a brilliant bike. It's almost the Goldilocks bike...hence the boringness I guess. No issues did everything well, gravel, dirt, even sand. (OK it didn't do sand well...but it did it.)
If I have to choose now I'll take the Africa Twin although it would be difficult to give up the awesome dealership experience and the muffins.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 11:30:41 am
I you buy a Triumph you might need to drink your own piss.




So that video of Bear Grylls..."putting it through its paces" then at the end of the video...Paragraph 4. Triumph states themselves that the Triumph is not an offroad motorcycle. Compare that to BMW, Honda and KTM ads.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/veyaoh.jpg)

Your gut feel was right, the engine is great...the rest not so much.
The BMW F800 and Honda AT are better offroad, better backup, more dependable and has better resale. People cant seem to give their Triumphs away.
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed. AT is probably a more competent all rounder but bland and I think a little delicate.  If you want to put a big quality smile on your dial get the Triumph.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 11:36:42 am
I you buy a Triumph you might need to drink your own piss.




So that video of Bear Grylls..."putting it through its paces" then at the end of the video...Paragraph 4. Triumph states themselves that the Triumph is not an offroad motorcycle. Compare that to BMW, Honda and KTM ads.

(http://i66.tinypic.com/veyaoh.jpg)

Your gut feel was right, the engine is great...the rest not so much.
The BMW F800 and Honda AT are better offroad, better backup, more dependable and has better resale. People cant seem to give their Triumphs away.
BMW is outdated and outclassed. AT is probably a more competent all rounder but bland and I think a little delicate.



You are right....Triumph competes with a 10 year old bike on the pavement.....barely. I guess thats why we will be seeing that F900GS soon. Wonder if it will take Triumph another 10 years.
I wont call the AT bland at all....other than the KTM1090 it's probably the best looking, nicest sounding of the bunch.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: >>Thump°C on July 11, 2017, 11:50:08 am
XCX is the bike that made me decide not to replace my car, but rather upgrade my bike.
The BMW 800 is better off road, but I love the XCX. That low down torque and the quiet smooth engine. Tar road Cornering and acceleration is great.

But just before I bought one I tested the 1190 and it on the same ride and yes, in a moment of weakness spent the extra.
 I love that XCX , but need the better off-road capability because I don't ride too good.  :peepwall: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 11:51:53 am
XCX is the bike that made me decide not to replace my car, but rather upgrade my bike.
The BMW 800 is better off road, but I love the XCX. That low down torque and the quiet smooth engine. Tar road Cornering and acceleration is great.

But just before I bought one I tested the 1190 and it on the same ride and yes, in a moment of weakness spent the extra.
 I love that XCX , but need the better off-road capability because I don't ride too good.  :peepwall: :ricky: :ricky:

It does have a GEM of an engine...like a hot knife through butter. I also loved that engine whine, it puts off a lot of people but I love it.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 11:57:50 am
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 12:01:39 pm
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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Now you are talking. That is going to do very well for Yamaha.
I'm probably going to go something like Versys 300, Honda 250 Rally or 310GS first... At the moment my riding is short distances and a bunch of commuting these days -  I get my offroad kicks with my road legal 250 WR. So I can ride to the dirt if needed.
By the time the MT 700 XT/Z or whatever is affordable i'd look into one for sure.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 12:18:10 pm
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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Now you are talking. That is going to do very well for Yamaha.
I'm probably going to go something like Versys 300, Honda 250 Rally or 310GS first... At the moment my riding is short distances and a bunch of commuting these days -  I get my offroad kicks with my road legal 250 WR. So I can ride to the dirt if needed.
By the time the MT 700 XT/Z or whatever is affordable i'd look into one for sure.
Absolutely, bigger is not always better. There was a little sh1t on a Dakar this weekend who made all of us look stupid and slow,  Including the BMW 800, AT, XCX, etc. Size does not make up for lack of talent.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 11, 2017, 12:20:29 pm
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 12:22:32 pm
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed.

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I love this guy!  He worries more about my BMW than I do!  Thoughtful soul, he is.   :imaposer:
Hey I did not start the insults. It was the usual insecure guys having a go at Triumph.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 11, 2017, 12:24:26 pm
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed.

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I love this guy!  He worries more about my BMW than I do!  Thoughtful soul, he is.   :imaposer:
Hey I did not start the insults. It was the usual insecure guys having a go at Triumph.

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Insults!  What are you talking about?

I am just referring to your inability to use your keyboard without using the letter B, M and W.  No worries.  We understand.   8)
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 12:28:27 pm
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed.

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I love this guy!  He worries more about my BMW than I do!  Thoughtful soul, he is.   :imaposer:
Hey I did not start the insults. It was the usual insecure guys having a go at Triumph.

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Insults!  What are you talking about?

I am just referring to your inability to use your keyboard without using the letter B, M and W.  No worries.  We understand.   8)
Oh you ean I should rite "astard, anker,   orons" like this? Ok no prole.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 11, 2017, 12:28:56 pm
Lol, maybe,  but If you buy a BWM you gonna eat your own face... FACE PLANT style.  BMW is outdated and outclassed.

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I love this guy!  He worries more about my BMW than I do!  Thoughtful soul, he is.   :imaposer:
Hey I did not start the insults. It was the usual insecure guys having a go at Triumph.

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Insults!  What are you talking about?

I am just referring to your inability to use your keyboard without using the letter B, M and W.  No worries.  We understand.   8)
Oh you ean I should rite "astard, anker,   orons" like this? Ok no prole.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: m0lt3n on July 11, 2017, 01:43:01 pm
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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first time I hear a BMW copied a Triumph...
Guess we will see
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 11, 2017, 04:24:38 pm
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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first time I hear a BMW copied a Triumph...
Guess we will see

Yeah, if they have a disclaimer that it isn't an offroad bike, gives issues when you ride in a little dust, has welded to the frame footpegs, high center of gravity, no low down torque,  so you have to be on the clutch a lot, have a very long sequence to disable abs and traction control and have almost no resale value, we will know that they copied the Triumph.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 05:23:54 pm
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX .  My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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first time I hear a BMW copied a Triumph...
Guess we will see

Yeah, if they have a disclaimer that it isn't an offroad bike, gives issues when you ride in a little dust, has welded to the frame footpegs, high center of gravity, no low down torque,  so you have to be on the clutch a lot, have a very long sequence to disable abs and traction control and have almost no resale value, we will know that they copied the Triumph.
Lol, you sound like a jealous child and just like Trump  make stuff up. "Alternative facts" do not make it true. Load of bollocks.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 11, 2017, 05:27:37 pm
Thanks for the input guys. Pity that the Triumph is such a good looking but suffers some issues. I am in the process of spying a F800. Even though they are getting long in the tooth and also have some short comings. I reckon there are enough around to not be outdated once the 900 comes around. First price would be a Africa Twin or the XTZ 700, but I'm not willing to in debt myself for toys.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 05:38:59 pm
Thanks for the input guys. Pity that the Triumph is such a good looking but suffers some issues. I am in the process of spying a F800. Even though they are getting long in the tooth and also have some short comings. I reckon there are enough around to not be outdated once the 900 comes around. First price would be a Africa Twin or the XTZ 700, but I'm not willing to in debt myself for toys.
Oh boy..the Triumph does not have "issues", show me any recall, or known "issues" on the XCX. The F800 is a dog with many fleas. You will be sorry, rather buy an XT660 if you are are convinced the Triumph has "issues"

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: XRRX on July 11, 2017, 06:10:00 pm
 :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Just to p%ss of more people - I'll buy a 800GSA any day of the week again - but NOT a 800XC/XCX or even a standard 800GS!  :pot:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 11, 2017, 06:16:27 pm
:spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Just to p%ss of more people - I'll buy a 800GSA any day of the week again - but NOT a 800XC/XCX or even a standard 800GS!  :pot:

Might need to get some new delivery bikes - Will go get some quotes for xcx and f800 :lamer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: XRRX on July 11, 2017, 07:18:04 pm
:spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Just to p%ss of more people - I'll buy a 800GSA any day of the week again - but NOT a 800XC/XCX or even a standard 800GS!  :pot:

Might need to get some new delivery bikes - Will go get some quotes for xcx and f800 :lamer:

Very good - everybody needs something reliable...  :lamer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Saddle Up on July 11, 2017, 08:53:35 pm
Thanks for the input guys. Pity that the Triumph is such a good looking but suffers some issues. I am in the process of spying a F800. Even though they are getting long in the tooth and also have some short comings. I reckon there are enough around to not be outdated once the 900 comes around. First price would be a Africa Twin or the XTZ 700, but I'm not willing to in debt myself for toys.
Oh boy..the Triumph does not have "issues", show me any recall, or known "issues" on the XCX. The F800 is a dog with many fleas. You will be sorry, rather buy an XT660 if you are are convinced the Triumph has "issues"

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I dont believe that the issues I have with the Triumph makes it a bad or inferior bike, however low torque and what to me is odd geometry to reach the handles are things that will interfere with my type of riding. I'm one to hit the sand in Moz type of  riding etc. Not a riding god , but able to ride various terrain, except rocks, fuckin hate rocky terrain, buggers up mental balance.
Anyways, I was told by Triumph that they have had bikes that needed clutches replaced due to what they believe to be rider error and that could well be, but it also leads me to believe that revving the bike to be able to handle some situations just might be the reason behind failing clutches;
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 11, 2017, 09:09:12 pm
Thanks for the input guys. Pity that the Triumph is such a good looking but suffers some issues. I am in the process of spying a F800. Even though they are getting long in the tooth and also have some short comings. I reckon there are enough around to not be outdated once the 900 comes around. First price would be a Africa Twin or the XTZ 700, but I'm not willing to in debt myself for toys.
Oh boy..the Triumph does not have "issues", show me any recall, or known "issues" on the XCX. The F800 is a dog with many fleas. You will be sorry, rather buy an XT660 if you are are convinced the Triumph has "issues"

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I dont believe that the issues I have with the Triumph makes it a bad or inferior bike, however low torque and what to me is odd geometry to reach the handles are things that will interfere with my type of riding. I'm one to hit the sand in Moz type of  riding etc. Not a riding god , but able to ride various terrain, except rocks, fuckin hate rocky terrain, buggers up mental balance.
Anyways, I was told by Triumph that they have had bikes that needed clutches replaced due to what they believe to be rider error and that could well be, but it also leads me to believe that revving the bike to be able to handle some situations just might be the reason behind failing clutches;
The Triumph does need one to adjust riding style. it is very different to the twin I had before, but once you have its very capable, loads of fun and has saved my arse a few times by powering out of mud or sand.  Power is always there when you need it . If one is going to try to paddle slowly through sand using the clutch then no the Triumph is not the bike to use.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dwerg on July 12, 2017, 12:06:10 am
:spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Just to p%ss of more people - I'll buy a 800GSA any day of the week again - but NOT a 800XC/XCX or even a standard 800GS!  :pot:

Might need to get some new delivery bikes - Will go get some quotes for xcx and f800 :lamer:

There are much better DS bikes than the 800s. However disregarding them completely show bias and dismisses what others want out of a bike. For people who tour and stop to smell the roses they are still great options. I'm not one of them but I do get it
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Buddy on July 12, 2017, 07:43:15 am

Swing with the right and punch with the left. Buy a Husky 701, it's far more comfortable off-road. Otherwise buy an Indian Chief if you only want to cruise on tar.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Lou1 on July 12, 2017, 08:53:34 am
Thanks for the input guys. Pity that the Triumph is such a good looking but suffers some issues. I am in the process of spying a F800. Even though they are getting long in the tooth and also have some short comings. I reckon there are enough around to not be outdated once the 900 comes around. First price would be a Africa Twin or the XTZ 700, but I'm not willing to in debt myself for toys.
Oh boy..the Triumph does not have "issues", show me any recall, or known "issues" on the XCX. The F800 is a dog with many fleas. You will be sorry, rather buy an XT660 if you are are convinced the Triumph has "issues"

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That's the thing with Triumph, they don't recall.

You as owner are blamed for R&D department dropping the ball.  :dousing:

R160 000 for a bike that will prob not see much more that 70 000km!  :patch:

Rather go Japanese  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dwerg on July 12, 2017, 08:57:40 am
As a side note, I saw dealers doing new stock 1190 Adv for 160k
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: ianb on July 12, 2017, 09:18:50 am
No separate  rear sub frame .
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on July 12, 2017, 09:22:45 am
As a side note, I saw dealers doing new stock 1190 Adv for 160k

The 1190s being offered is the standard 1190 Adventure not the 1190 Adventure R so it has the smaller wheels etc etc etc

I had a look and if it was the R I would have been very keen.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 09:33:12 am
:spitcoffee: :spitcoffee:
Just to p%ss of more people - I'll buy a 800GSA any day of the week again - but NOT a 800XC/XCX or even a standard 800GS!  :pot:

Might need to get some new delivery bikes - Will go get some quotes for xcx and f800 :lamer:


You can buy a very capable bike and stop and take pics of everything AND have the option of ripping it.
There are much better DS bikes than the 800s. However disregarding them completely show bias and dismisses what others want out of a bike. For people who tour and stop to smell the roses they are still great options. I'm not one of them but I do get it

My comment was just a joke and partly agree with what you said.

-- But why can't people buy a bike like the ones mentioned AND stop and smell the roses? It need not be mutually exclusive. We're not talking about a situation where it's half the price, that I can understand. We're talking about basically the same amount of money.

In fact, probably near to 60% of 1190's are used for commuting... And when they want to they can leave a F800/xcx behind on the tar and dirt.

Is an F800 a good all-round bike, yes. Is and 1190R/1090R/AT a good all-round bike, yes. Can the f800 come remotely close to competing with it on road or dirt, no.

Come down to how informed people are and perception at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 12, 2017, 09:37:02 am
Well interestingly the spy shots of the new BMW see it changing drastically to copy the Triumph setup. I rode with an AT this weekend, no-one gave it a second glance, the new KTM 1290 caused a big stir, and big balls to tame it probably. If I had to pick, for what I use the bike for, weekend fun on the gravel and in the twisties, I would not swop out my XCX . My next bike..maybe the new MT 700 XT for something different.

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first time I hear a BMW copied a Triumph...
Guess we will see

Yeah, if they have a disclaimer that it isn't an offroad bike, gives issues when you ride in a little dust, has welded to the frame footpegs, high center of gravity, no low down torque,  so you have to be on the clutch a lot, have a very long sequence to disable abs and traction control and have almost no resale value, we will know that they copied the Triumph.
Lol, you sound like a jealous child and just like Trump  make stuff up. "Alternative facts" do not make it true. Load of bollocks.

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HAHA! Now it's personal insults. Damn OilSpil, didn't think I hit a nerve with that old chestnut especially since these types of rhetoric should sound extremely familiar to the likes of you and 2SD etc. I thought that was par for the course here.  :sip:

Recalls don't make something inferior btw...it means stuff gets sorted out. Unlike stepper motors that get a little dust on them causing the bike to not idle etc.....oh but Triumph has a disclaimer that says no offroad.  Triumph stated that...not me  :deal:   
At this moment the Honda AT and KTM1090, or even left over 1190's is by far the better deal and far superior to the Triump off road... I'd bet the KTM's would even be better on the road too, although I did enjoy the Triumph on the road. and I have not ridden the 1090.

Anyway, you seem to be taking this very personally since you do ride the bike and spent you hard earned money on it I suppose....... you must have stocks in Triumph and you are going to ride that brand forever. I will refrain from doing another stir... seems one needs a special little signature and can only do it to the thick skinned BMW riders around these parts without others getting their knickers in a knot.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dwerg on July 12, 2017, 10:22:25 am
My comment was just a joke and partly agree with what you said.

-- But why can't people buy a bike like the ones mentioned AND stop and smell the roses? It need not be mutually exclusive. We're not talking about a situation where it's half the price, that I can understand. We're talking about basically the same amount of money.

In fact, probably near to 60% of 1190's are used for commuting... And when they want to they can leave a F800/xcx behind on the tar and dirt.

Is an F800 a good all-round bike, yes. Is and 1190R/1090R/AT a good all-round bike, yes. Can the f800 come remotely close to competing with it on road or dirt, no.

Come down to how informed people are and perception at the end of the day.

Some of it is perception I suppose but people also value things like dealer network, roadside assist etc. I prefer BMWs for commuting purely because when you service it you get a loan bike with a full tank of petrol for the day. If I want to service my KTM, I need to load it on a trailer and possibly sit without a bike for a few days. Doing 3000kms per month just for commuting, things like fuel economy and tyre wear also starts to carry more weight. I'm lucky enough to have a few bikes but it would be a lot more difficult to choose just one
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dwerg on July 12, 2017, 10:24:09 am
Sorry drifting way off topic. I like the Tiger but I agree with the comments about off-road ergonomics.

As for Jups thread, I think that if you start the thread the bike is 90%  bought already  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Gérrard on July 12, 2017, 10:29:22 am
Sorry drifting way off topic. I like the Tiger but I agree with the comments about off-road ergonomics.

As for Jups thread, I think that if you start the thread the bike is 90%  bought already  :biggrin:

That is quite true. Just need that little push
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 12, 2017, 10:34:57 am
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 10:35:16 am
My comment was just a joke and partly agree with what you said.

-- But why can't people buy a bike like the ones mentioned AND stop and smell the roses? It need not be mutually exclusive. We're not talking about a situation where it's half the price, that I can understand. We're talking about basically the same amount of money.

In fact, probably near to 60% of 1190's are used for commuting... And when they want to they can leave a F800/xcx behind on the tar and dirt.

Is an F800 a good all-round bike, yes. Is and 1190R/1090R/AT a good all-round bike, yes. Can the f800 come remotely close to competing with it on road or dirt, no.

Come down to how informed people are and perception at the end of the day.

Some of it is perception I suppose but people also value things like dealer network, roadside assist etc. I prefer BMWs for commuting purely because when you service it you get a loan bike with a full tank of petrol for the day. If I want to service my KTM, I need to load it on a trailer and possibly sit without a bike for a few days. Doing 3000kms per month just for commuting, things like fuel economy and tyre wear also starts to carry more weight. I'm lucky enough to have a few bikes but it would be a lot more difficult to choose just one

In total agreement there!

I don't commute so I don't think I've ver thought about fuel consumption, tyre wear and a loan bike. One thing is a fact, you can't dispute BMW after sales service and service in general, KTM can learn a LOT.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 10:36:07 am
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 10:47:54 am
No not at all, you cannot just make up stuff, mix it with opinion and sell it as fact.  The XCX does not have a stepper motor.  The rest of your post is just opinion.  Thks I will and do enjoy my bike which has done over 21 000 km of mostly dirt and dust without complaint.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 11:27:12 am
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 12, 2017, 11:29:59 am
No not at all, you cannot just make up stuff, mix it with opinion and sell it as fact.  The XCX does not have a stepper motor.  The rest of your post is just opinion.  Thks I will and do enjoy my bike which has done over 21 000 km of mostly dirt and dust without complaint.

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Triumph says it's not an Offroad motorcycle in the ad they advertise it with Bear Grylls and Youtube. Fact.
XC had Stepper motor issues and was only sorted out when the XCX came along....they should have done a recall. Owners with the old XC has no recourse. Fact.
Compared to bikes made for the dirt it doesnt have the low down in first...you have to use the clutch more on slow technical areas than you would on a 800GS. In fact even reviewers that loved the 800XC mentions this on most reviews where they test them. Fact.
It has the rear footpegs welded onto the frame...no seperate subframe...if you fall and crack it..you have to replace the whole frame, or do a dodgey weld. Fact.
Mate's 2015 Street Triple had a big end go after he complained about stuff at service. Was not picked up. Riding around on a Sym scooter while they took about 2 months to sort. Engine had to get shipped to UK and back. Fact.

No opinions or trolling there.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 11:50:22 am
No not at all, you cannot just make up stuff, mix it with opinion and sell it as fact.  The XCX does not have a stepper motor.  The rest of your post is just opinion.  Thks I will and do enjoy my bike which has done over 21 000 km of mostly dirt and dust without complaint.

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Triumph says it's not an Offroad motorcycle in the add they advertise it with. Fact.
XC had Stepper motor issues and was only sorted out when the XCX came along....they should have done a recall. Owners with the old XC has no recourse. Fact.
Compared to bikes made for the dirt it doesnt have the low down in firt...you have to use the clutch more on slow technical areas. Fact.
It has the rear footpegs welded onto the frame...no subframe...if you fal and crack it..you have to replace the whole frame. Fact.
Mate's 2015 Street Tripple had a big end go after he complained about stuff at service. Was not picked up. Riding around on a Sym scooter while they took about 2 months to sort. Engine had to get shipped to UK and back. Fact.

No opinions in there.  :laughing4:
The question was about the XCX. Must I drag up every known fault with the Dakar, GS range and every BMW fault not part of a recall, that is a long list.  How many failures and face-plants with snap off suspension before BMW was forced to recall that steaming pile of turd. Go ride your bike and stop running down other brands because you are frustrated with your choice. 

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Omninorm on July 12, 2017, 11:57:57 am
No not at all, you cannot just make up stuff, mix it with opinion and sell it as fact.  The XCX does not have a stepper motor.  The rest of your post is just opinion.  Thks I will and do enjoy my bike which has done over 21 000 km of mostly dirt and dust without complaint.

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Triumph says it's not an Offroad motorcycle in the add they advertise it with. Fact.
XC had Stepper motor issues and was only sorted out when the XCX came along....they should have done a recall. Owners with the old XC has no recourse. Fact.
Compared to bikes made for the dirt it doesnt have the low down in firt...you have to use the clutch more on slow technical areas. Fact.
It has the rear footpegs welded onto the frame...no subframe...if you fal and crack it..you have to replace the whole frame. Fact.
Mate's 2015 Street Tripple had a big end go after he complained about stuff at service. Was not picked up. Riding around on a Sym scooter while they took about 2 months to sort. Engine had to get shipped to UK and back. Fact.

No opinions in there.  :laughing4:
The question was about the XCX. Must I drag up every known fault with the Dakar, GS range and every BMW fault not part of a recall, that is a long list.  How many failures and face-plants with snap off suspension before BMW was forced to recall that steaming pile of turd. Go ride your bike and stop running down other brands because you are frustrated with your choice. 

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:laughing4:
:dousing:
Again.... you and your comrades do the same but someone else can't?
Sorry but last time I checked this was a open forum, not a Fascist state.   
 :joker:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 11:59:17 am
The XCX is, like any other  adventure bike, not an off road bike. It is designed for roads of all types, including gravel, sand, twee spoor, etc.  While I have happily taken mine down ploughed fields and through huge dongas, it is not designed for that. You want a plastic to do proper off road

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 12:21:56 pm
No not at all, you cannot just make up stuff, mix it with opinion and sell it as fact.  The XCX does not have a stepper motor.  The rest of your post is just opinion.  Thks I will and do enjoy my bike which has done over 21 000 km of mostly dirt and dust without complaint.

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Triumph says it's not an Offroad motorcycle in the add they advertise it with. Fact.
XC had Stepper motor issues and was only sorted out when the XCX came along....they should have done a recall. Owners with the old XC has no recourse. Fact.
Compared to bikes made for the dirt it doesnt have the low down in firt...you have to use the clutch more on slow technical areas. Fact.
It has the rear footpegs welded onto the frame...no subframe...if you fal and crack it..you have to replace the whole frame. Fact.
Mate's 2015 Street Tripple had a big end go after he complained about stuff at service. Was not picked up. Riding around on a Sym scooter while they took about 2 months to sort. Engine had to get shipped to UK and back. Fact.

No opinions in there.  :laughing4:
The question was about the XCX. Must I drag up every known fault with the Dakar, GS range and every BMW fault not part of a recall, that is a long list.  How many failures and face-plants with snap off suspension before BMW was forced to recall that steaming pile of turd. Go ride your bike and stop running down other brands because you are frustrated with your choice. 

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:dousing:
Again.... you and your comrades do the same but someone else can't?
Sorry but last time I checked this was a open forum, not a Fascist state.   
 :joker:
Omninorm there needs to be some level of sense making at the very least. I don't care if you hate Triumph, hell Triumph probably doesn't even want couch critics  as a customers. But just making up stuff for fun to run down a  product is nonsensical.  The really funny thing is all this South African brand loyalty crap. Ride the bike you love, when you come to replace it check out all the competition and buy the best one that suits your fancy, with good reviews and reports  no matter the brand.  Nothing lasts​ for ever anymore and if you keep any bike longer than five years or 60000 - 80 000km you are going to start spending big money. If you drop it hard they will write it off. You are a fool if you think otherwise, and yes there are one owner little old lady exceptions. I use my bike hard and enjoy it for that, will I buy anouther Triumph. Hell yes. Will it be my next bike, who knows.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 12:34:32 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 12:50:51 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 12:59:20 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 01:09:40 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Bear
1. It is my "opinion" that any bike which has forks that snap off is a piece of crap. Others will disagree.
2. I know, and thank God, that the 1000XR does not have the same suspension, motor, gearbox, frame.  Wish they would bring out an adventure version of tge XR..oh boy that would be fun.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 12, 2017, 01:14:11 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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Just because I don't like the way you engage with detractors, does not mean I have a 1200 LC.  In fact, I don't.  So, made up nonsense or are you just blindly striking out?
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 01:24:06 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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Just because I don't like the way you engage with detractors, does not mean I have a 1200 LC.  In fact, I don't.  So, made up nonsense or are you just blindly striking out?
Hyperbole boet Hyperbole. I could have said "good luck selling any bike  in today's market.". Look at the knock the F 800 gs is taking, even Donford Motorrad is advertising them on gumtree.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 01:28:09 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Bear
1. It is my "opinion" that any bike which has forks that snap off is a piece of crap. Others will disagree.
2. I know, and thank God, that the 1000XR does not have the same suspension, motor, gearbox, frame.  Wish they would bring out an adventure version of tge XR..oh boy that would be fun.

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Does that mean that, since my bike's fork did not snap off, it is not crap?
If I understand correctly, you like the S1000XR, but will not buy it, because the R1200GS have a fork stanchion issue, even though you know and understand that the two bikes do not share a suspension design or parts? 

Or!  Perhaps it is just hyperbole when you say it is crap?   >:D
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 01:37:05 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Bear
1. It is my "opinion" that any bike which has forks that snap off is a piece of crap. Others will disagree.
2. I know, and thank God, that the 1000XR does not have the same suspension, motor, gearbox, frame.  Wish they would bring out an adventure version of tge XR..oh boy that would be fun.

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Does that mean that, since my bikes fork did not snap off, it is not crap?
Bear for you the LC could represent  life itself, the joys of the open road, friendship, comfort, escape,  dreams of horizons yet to be reached, the promise of many laughs still to come and a barrel full of memories and wonderful experiences completed together. Its your motorcycle so no,  how can it possibly be a piece of crap.  If the forks did snap off this might influence a change of opinion.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 12, 2017, 01:45:17 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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Just because I don't like the way you engage with detractors, does not mean I have a 1200 LC.  In fact, I don't.  So, made up nonsense or are you just blindly striking out?
Hyperbole boet Hyperbole. I could have said "good luck selling any bike  in today's market.". Look at the knock the F 800 gs is taking, even Donford Motorrad is advertising them on gumtree.

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But you did not; you said : Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension.

I'm moving on, you talk shit and you will not back up your statements.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 01:53:00 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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Just because I don't like the way you engage with detractors, does not mean I have a 1200 LC.  In fact, I don't.  So, made up nonsense or are you just blindly striking out?
Hyperbole boet Hyperbole. I could have said "good luck selling any bike  in today's market.". Look at the knock the F 800 gs is taking, even Donford Motorrad is advertising them on gumtree.

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But you did not; you said : Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension.

I'm moving on, you talk shit and you will not back up your statements.
Cheerio old chap. If anyone was talking Sh1t it sure was not I who started it

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 02:04:08 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Bear
1. It is my "opinion" that any bike which has forks that snap off is a piece of crap. Others will disagree.
2. I know, and thank God, that the 1000XR does not have the same suspension, motor, gearbox, frame.  Wish they would bring out an adventure version of tge XR..oh boy that would be fun.

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Does that mean that, since my bikes fork did not snap off, it is not crap?
Bear for you the LC could represent  life itself, the joys of the open road, friendship, comfort, escape,  dreams of horizons yet to be reached, the promise of many laughs still to come and a barrel full of memories and wonderful experiences completed together. Its your motorcycle so no,  how can it possibly be a piece of crap.  If the forks did snap off this might influence a change of opinion.

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Personally, in your case, I sort of get the "methinks the lady gentleman doth protests too much" feeling.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 02:22:52 pm
Lots of anger from Triumph owners:  those that had one and got rid of it pronto as well as those that has one and want to but can't get rid of it.
Again this is just made up nonsense. Good luck selling your BMW with snap off suspension. 

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HAHAAAAAA!  You just cannot sleep due to the BMW R1200GS LC fork stanchions issue, can you?   :ricky:

Well, that is rather stange to me as I like my R1200GS LC.  I like it a lot, recalled fork stanchions or not.  I like it so much that I feel absolutely no need to run down your bike to help me like mine more.
Bear you are right, but Its not because its a BMW, I am very keen on the 1000xr for instance, its the thought of the forks snapping and giving one a faceplant that is a nightmare to me. As a kid I had my whole face smashed in because of a motorbike (I will buy you a beer one day and tell you about it). I believe you guys are facking crazy to ride that piece of crap, but its your right to do so...eish, ouch, cannot watch and pray  it does not happen to anyone again.  Oh and I hate the boxer motor and GS gearbox, and lots more besides but I can say that because I have ridden them and contemplated buying one before I test rode the Triumph..much more fun.

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Well, thanks for a very straight forward reply.  There are one or two incorrect assumptions in it though.

1.  The GS is not crap.
2.  The S1000XR does not have the same fork setup.
Bear
1. It is my "opinion" that any bike which has forks that snap off is a piece of crap. Others will disagree.
2. I know, and thank God, that the 1000XR does not have the same suspension, motor, gearbox, frame.  Wish they would bring out an adventure version of tge XR..oh boy that would be fun.

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Does that mean that, since my bikes fork did not snap off, it is not crap?
Bear for you the LC could represent  life itself, the joys of the open road, friendship, comfort, escape,  dreams of horizons yet to be reached, the promise of many laughs still to come and a barrel full of memories and wonderful experiences completed together. Its your motorcycle so no,  how can it possibly be a piece of crap.  If the forks did snap off this might influence a change of opinion.

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Personally, in your case, I sort of get the "methinks the lady gentleman doth protests too much" feeling.  :imaposer:
No seriously.. please no..not for me, no ways. Did not enjoy that bike, it makes me go zzzzzz, might as well be in a cage, but that should not stop you enjoying it while it stays together. Here is holding thumbs for you.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Gérrard on July 12, 2017, 02:27:57 pm
Saddle Up, at the very least you'll get from this thread... dont buy a  XCX because its bound to get you into bitch fights  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 02:35:10 pm
This is funny - People are irrational creatures by nature, and were seeing this first hand here :lol8:

NO ONE goes "I want a real good bike, something that is awesome on-and offroad with a decent second hand sale price and decent extras and accessories options" and then goes and buys a 800xc OR the F800 (although a better in the extras department).

Purely misconceptions about non 800xc or F800's - Boggles the mind why anyone would pay above average prices for an average bike.

I'm not a big fan of BMW but can cencede that the 1200LC looks really good, is a good bike on and offroad and it is seen as a very reliabke bike for the most part. It'c comfy and luxurious with good quality controls and a very good range of accessories. But people don't by the 1200LC thinking they're getting an offroad monster that can rip it up with a 990R/1090R/950SE - They get it for the dealer support, luxuriousness and good riding characteristics.

Problem is many guys that go and buy the 800xc and F800 go and pay the same as other "better" bikes and think they will get the same "performance" and ability.

I must admit though - I also don't know why someone would buy an LC over a 1290R though. Except for "dealer support" and shaft drive (and we all know the pitfalls of this - although I am not opposed to it at all).
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Herklaas on July 12, 2017, 03:28:52 pm
 :sip: I had the 800 xc and now the 800xcx, I thought the xc was the bike to have, but the xcx is a bike in a different class.
Here is a few things I would like to point out.
1. The xcx does not have a stepper motor, it has a completely new fuel injection management system and is a claimed 17% lighter on fuel, I can see the difference.
2. It has a fly by wire throttle with 4 settings, Road, Off-road, Rain, and Sport.
3. It has three riding modes, Road, Off-road and Rider When you turn the ignition on the Road mode is on, press the Mode button once and the Off-road mode comes on, press again and the Rider mode comes on. The road mode has the traction control set for the road as well as the ABS and the throttle response.
The same with the Off-road where the TC and ABS and throttle response is set for off-road (tc allows the rear to break away before arresting it, nogal lekker) ABS allows limited slip and the rear can be locked.
The Rider mode you can set up to your liking, in my case I set the TC off, the ABS on road and the throttle on Sport.
4. The bike is equipped with auto canceling indicators, but this function can be canceled.
5. The bike comes with Crash bars, Centre stand, and aluminum bash plate.
6. Front and rear WP suspensions both adjustable.
7. The xcx has a larger radiator.
8. The gearbox is mush smoother than the xc's, It feels like an auto box.
9. Both clutch and brake levers are adjustable (4 settings)
10. I have ridden a lot of bikes, all the Bm's, and Japs, recently rode the new AT, yes, I like that bike a lot, I would not swop my xcx for that but would like it in the garage as well, eish.
11. The red on the triple engine comes in at 10 000 rpm and that scream of that smooth delivery.......... what more can I say.   :3some:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: unishaun on July 12, 2017, 03:34:15 pm
Simple. If you like it buy it, if you don't like it don't buy it, you can't go wrong with the Tiger.

We all have different tastes, but at least we are riding...
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Dustman on July 12, 2017, 03:46:03 pm
Simple. If you like it buy it, if you don't like it don't buy it, you can't go wrong with the Tiger.

We all have different tastes, but at least we are riding...

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 03:48:03 pm
:sip: I had the 800 xc and now the 800xcx, I thought the xc was the bike to have, but the xcx is a bike in a different class.
Here is a few things I would like to point out.
1. The xcx does not have a stepper motor, it has a completely new fuel injection management system and is a claimed 17% lighter on fuel, I can see the difference.
2. It has a fly by wire throttle with 4 settings, Road, Off-road, Rain, and Sport.
3. It has three riding modes, Road, Off-road and Rider When you turn the ignition on the Road mode is on, press the Mode button once and the Off-road mode comes on, press again and the Rider mode comes on. The road mode has the traction control set for the road as well as the ABS and the throttle response.
The same with the Off-road where the TC and ABS and throttle response is set for off-road (tc allows the rear to break away before arresting it, nogal lekker) ABS allows limited slip and the rear can be locked.
The Rider mode you can set up to your liking, in my case I set the TC off, the ABS on road and the throttle on Sport.
4. The bike is equipped with auto canceling indicators, but this function can be canceled.
5. The bike comes with Crash bars, Centre stand, and aluminum bash plate.
6. Front and rear WP suspensions both adjustable.
7. The xcx has a larger radiator.
8. The gearbox is mush smoother than the xc's, It feels like an auto box.
9. Both clutch and brake levers are adjustable (4 settings)
10. I have ridden a lot of bikes, all the Bm's, and Japs, recently rode the new AT, yes, I like that bike a lot, I would not swop my xcx for that but would like it in the garage as well, eish.
11. The red on the triple engine comes in at 10 000 rpm and that scream of that smooth delivery.......... what more can I say.   :3some:

Informative post :thumleft:

Certainly not lacking in the features department! Interesting that you would take the xcx over the AT.

Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Tom van Brits on July 12, 2017, 04:24:01 pm
:sip: I had the 800 xc and now the 800xcx, I thought the xc was the bike to have, but the xcx is a bike in a different class.
Here is a few things I would like to point out.
1. The xcx does not have a stepper motor, it has a completely new fuel injection management system and is a claimed 17% lighter on fuel, I can see the difference.
2. It has a fly by wire throttle with 4 settings, Road, Off-road, Rain, and Sport.
3. It has three riding modes, Road, Off-road and Rider When you turn the ignition on the Road mode is on, press the Mode button once and the Off-road mode comes on, press again and the Rider mode comes on. The road mode has the traction control set for the road as well as the ABS and the throttle response.
The same with the Off-road where the TC and ABS and throttle response is set for off-road (tc allows the rear to break away before arresting it, nogal lekker) ABS allows limited slip and the rear can be locked.
The Rider mode you can set up to your liking, in my case I set the TC off, the ABS on road and the throttle on Sport.
4. The bike is equipped with auto canceling indicators, but this function can be canceled.
5. The bike comes with Crash bars, Centre stand, and aluminum bash plate.
6. Front and rear WP suspensions both adjustable.
7. The xcx has a larger radiator.
8. The gearbox is mush smoother than the xc's, It feels like an auto box.
9. Both clutch and brake levers are adjustable (4 settings)
10. I have ridden a lot of bikes, all the Bm's, and Japs, recently rode the new AT, yes, I like that bike a lot, I would not swop my xcx for that but would like it in the garage as well, eish.
11. The red on the triple engine comes in at 10 000 rpm and that scream of that smooth delivery.......... what more can I say.   :3some:

Informative post :thumleft:

Certainly not lacking in the features department! Interesting that you would take the xcx over the AT.

Good informative and honest post - agree

In my view the best compromise for someone that do mostly tar, coming from road bikes but would like to continue riding when the tar road ends.

Some people have good experience even from the Kawasaki service agents but I personally think that Triumph could have done even better in SA on their own like BMW, and they are selling good volumes of bikes. I would not think twice to buy a new T100 or T120 Bonnieville - the new Bobber is selling good, the new Street tripple and I am sure there will soon be a new Daytona (with the new 765) engine which you now find in the Street tripple. These upgrades which were done recently on this motor is not done on the XCX (The XCX motor is based on the older 675 street tripple with longer stroke)
All in all Triumph has got an exciting range of bikes but none of them is like they also advertise a 'dirt bike' - therefore the disclaimer.

It is the owner that label this bike to be 'off-road' which its not. It is a dirt road capable bike. Trip motors are sweet and produce a lot of torque but still not low down the rev range where you need it for anything technical.
Selling a Triumph secondhand (even almost new) is not easy, ask me I had to sell 2: The Explorer and the XC. In the end I even got a better deal at the dealer on the floor for my Explorer. BMW on the other hand fly's of the secondhand sales floor. I did test ride BMW every time I went the Triumph route and every time the Triumph (personally in my experience) was a much more enjoyable experience in the real world - but the Triumph you buy with your heart, and the BMW with your head. Maybe I'll stick with Honda now.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 06:56:16 pm
No seriously.. please no..not for me, no ways. Did not enjoy that bike, it makes me go zzzzzz, might as well be in a cage, but that should not stop you enjoying it while it stays together. Here is holding thumbs for you.

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Oh, it will stay together.  BMW is well known for that.  I do however understand why it would put some to sleep.  It is not a particularly exciting bike for many.  That I can understand.

Saddle Up, at the very least you'll get from this thread... dont buy a  XCX because its bound to get you into bitch fights  :imaposer:

That is one huge positive.  It is good practice and prepares you for the mother of bitch fights awaiting you once you upgrade to BMW!   >:D
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Sheepman on July 12, 2017, 07:32:27 pm
The talk eventually went not dissimilar to the Mayweather Pacman pre - fight hype and the eventual scrap.....a damp squib  ;) As said by a few,everyone buys what he or she likes.Just imagine how boring the roads, the trails,the parking lots,the pubs....and coffee shops would be if there were only boxed up Gs's, rowdy Klip Trap Masjiene, neat and well built AT's and Proud Brits spread all over these spaces.Some just protect their cabbage patches more vigorousely than others :laughing4:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 07:55:12 pm
Saddle Up, at the very least you'll get from this thread... dont buy a  XCX because its bound to get you into bitch fights  :imaposer:
And how, everywhere you go on a Triumph it gets attention and there is always some lacking- in-talent halfwit wanting to prove a point then getting upset when they loose.  XCX has 10 more HP than the F800,  and is better than the GS 1200 in the twisties, all just enough to hurt.  Most interesting is that the XCX has a digital speedo, so when you are doing 180kph on the Triumph the F800, now a few bike lengths behind,  believes you are  doing 200kph, so they get even more upset when you keep edging away.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 08:03:16 pm
You beat a 1200LC in a "dice"?

Ok well beating an F800 in anydepartment is not really a feat. But interesting nevertheless.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2017, 08:08:56 pm
Carl Fogarty? :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 08:12:29 pm
Carl Fogarty? :peepwall:

LOL, sneaky sneaky
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 12, 2017, 08:22:33 pm
You beat a 1200LC in a "dice"?

Ok well beating an F800 in anydepartment is not really a feat. But interesting nevertheless.
Yup, he was so upset he cut me off as I was overtaking him on the inside. Not very nice or safe, he sulked the rest of the day then left the group never to be seen again.  Sure a rider with real talent would eat  the triumph on a 1200. Point is the XCX has enough to give it a solid go.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2017, 08:26:43 pm
You beat a 1200LC in a "dice"?


Rather impressive that.  I stand in absolute awe.   :ricky:

At least he is modest enough to admit it is the great bike and not his riding skills that made this feat possible.   >:D
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Renrew on July 12, 2017, 08:40:37 pm
You beat a 1200LC in a "dice"?

Ok well beating an F800 in anydepartment is not really a feat. But interesting nevertheless.
Yup, he was so upset he cut me off as I was overtaking him on the inside. Not very nice or safe, he sulked the rest of the day then left the group never to be seen again.  Sure a rider with real talent would eat  the triumph on a 1200. Point is the XCX has enough to give it a solid go.

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Interesting :thumleft:

You are right, in the right hands you can do wonders with a bike.

Chris Birch 1090R Romaniacs, Bollie did Roof 2015 on an IT175.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Herklaas on July 17, 2017, 05:35:55 pm
 :sip: Going up Du Toitskloof at about 120, just after the small tunnel and just before the twisties you get where they used to have the trout farm, a guy on a LC 1200 came past me at about 160 + nearly hit a truck headon, missing me by about 400mm. I new he would never make the first turn.
On the first turn it was just dust and we picked him and his bike up in a ditch, he fell out of his gloves, yes, we only found one again, had to by-pass his sidestand switch to get the bike going again. For some reason he miraculously only injured his leg slightly, he was unconscious for about  40 seconds.
He was part of our group that week end.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: dirt rat on July 18, 2017, 06:17:03 am
Personally I very badly want to like Triumph motorcycles- something to do with youthful memories- subsequently I owned quite a few modern Triumph"s.
The best of them was the Bonneville America - 50000km without problems.
The worst was the Xc- problems from day one.
I really hope that the Xcx lives up to the expectations of those that own one but  my Triumph days are over. 
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on July 19, 2017, 11:53:18 pm
I would like to just try one on a nice 2 week trip.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Lou1 on July 20, 2017, 07:43:19 am
I would like to just try one on a nice 2 week trip.

You would love it (if you are still talking about a XCX). I will go as far as to say you will be in love with it.

The XCX is a great bike, very capable on tar and gravel.

The problem with Triumph is the aftersales service.

If they can stop trying to badmouth and “compete” with BMW and rather learn from them, it will do them a world of good.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2017, 07:52:30 am
Simply too big and way too heavy.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 20, 2017, 08:41:49 am
I would like to just try one on a nice 2 week trip.

You would love it (if you are still talking about a XCX). I will go as far as to say you will be in love with it.

The XCX is a great bike, very capable on tar and gravel.

The problem with Triumph is the aftersales service.

If they can stop trying to badmouth and “compete” with BMW and rather learn from them, it will do them a world of good.
"compete". You imply copy..you wish. The Triumph is a totally different bike, for instance the BMW is a twin, the Triumph a triple, the Triumph has a full electronics package, more power and comes standard with everything and has adjustable WP suspension. The BMW has...well you tell me. The BMW is not even playing the same game

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 20, 2017, 08:49:18 am
Simply too big and way too heavy.
Compared to what... Your mouth?? Seriously Dan, yes the Triumph is heavier but carries the weight much better for speed, carrying load and touring. The BMW is positioned better for off road but not in a way that makes the Triumph a dog. My XCX has never let me down in this regard.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 20, 2017, 09:02:34 am
Also when you talk weight you have to factor in that the XCX comes standard with a lot of kit that adds weight. For instance a centre stand, heavy duty bash plate, radiator gaurd, hand protectors, heavy duty adjustable suspension, etc, etc

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2017, 09:08:55 am

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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From the man who cannot make a single post without either referring to his great Triumph, or how terrible BMW is.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 20, 2017, 09:20:07 am

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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From the man who cannot make a single post without either referring to his great Triumph, or how terrible BMW is.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
It is great isn't it, glad you agree

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: heinzz on July 20, 2017, 09:29:16 am

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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From the man who cannot make a single post without either referring to his great Triumph, or how terrible BMW is.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
It is great isn't it, glad you agree

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Stadig met die box wyn, my ou. Die dag is nog lank. :laughing4:

I believe good things has come out of this discussion but your "objective opinions" (Oliedruppel) has made it non productive.
Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: Oilspill on July 20, 2017, 09:40:31 am

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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From the man who cannot make a single post without either referring to his great Triumph, or how terrible BMW is.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
It is great isn't it, glad you agree

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Stadig met die box wyn, my ou. Die dag is nog lank. :laughing4:

I believe good things has come out of this discussion but your "objective opinions" (Oliedruppel) has made it non productive.
"Oliedruppel".. classic. "Unproductive" really..I think Mr Tomatoe Sauce that you do not enjoy your blinkers being removed.

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Title: Re: Why would you not buy a Triumph XCX 800 ?
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2017, 10:41:23 am

"Badmouth" ..lol. Nope not true, the BMW product does not need any help in that regard what with recalls,  etc. BMW riders should stop trying to convince everyone they are best and just leave us happy campers to ride in peace.

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From the man who cannot make a single post without either referring to his great Triumph, or how terrible BMW is.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
It is great isn't it, glad you agree

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Stadig met die box wyn, my ou. Die dag is nog lank. :laughing4:

I believe good things has come out of this discussion but your "objective opinions" (Oliedruppel) has made it non productive.
"Oliedruppel".. classic. "Unproductive" really..I think Mr Tomatoe Sauce that you do not enjoy your blinkers being removed.

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 :laughing4: :laughing4:

From the man with the best quality, super-duper, XXXL, blinkers!   :imaposer: :imaposer: