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General => General Bike Related Banter => To Buy or Not To Buy => Topic started by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 03:41:09 pm

Title: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 03:41:09 pm
This question has probably been asked a thousand times but ya.

I bought my 990 a year & 10,000km ago for a good price; probably R10k less than it should have sold for.
Maybe the seller knew what was coming but since then I've spent around R6,000 in servicing and repairs (water pump), and I'm facing another R25,000 service & repair bill now (throttle bodies and fuel level sensor) of which my aftermarket warranty is paying R11,000.

I've paid enough of the finance that I can sell it for what I owe on it and maybe drown my sorrows with the change. Buying a very low mileage 1200-class replacement now would cost me about R1000pm more, which I can afford but wouldn't leave much room for potential repair costs.

So, do I hang on to the 990 in the hopes that it holds its value and doesn't explode (any more)? Or do I cut my losses and trade up?

And yes, Silvrav & King Louis, enjoy your giggle  :P
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Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 03, 2017, 03:44:44 pm
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Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: HORSE on August 03, 2017, 03:45:09 pm
Sell it and buy a BMW, then all your troubles will be over...


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Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 04:00:11 pm
Sell it and buy a BMW, then all your troubles will be over...

Ja ja...what to replace it with is an entirely separate debate. 1190R is the likely choice though.

The 990 does everything I want it to and more, and it does it all really, really well. The issue is it's costing me R2000pm in repairs & maintenance. I'd rather put half that into a newer bike.
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Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2017, 04:04:31 pm
Sell it and buy a BMW, then all your troubles will be over...

Ja ja...what to replace it with is an entirely separate debate. 1190R is the likely choice though.

The 990 does everything I want it to and more, and it does it all really, really well. The issue is it's costing me R2000pm in repairs & maintenance. I'd rather put half that into a newer bike.

What mileage do you have on the bike?


Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 04:05:58 pm
Ja ja...what to replace it with is an entirely separate debate. 1190R is the likely choice though.
The 990 does everything I want it to and more, and it does it all really, really well. The issue is it's costing me R2000pm in repairs & maintenance. I'd rather put half that into a newer bike.
What mileage do you have on the bike?

44000km. Bought it on 35000.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2017, 04:11:36 pm
Ja ja...what to replace it with is an entirely separate debate. 1190R is the likely choice though.
The 990 does everything I want it to and more, and it does it all really, really well. The issue is it's costing me R2000pm in repairs & maintenance. I'd rather put half that into a newer bike.
What mileage do you have on the bike?

44000km. Bought it on 35000.

That is still low mileage - have heard of lots of 990s at well over 80k and 100k.

The clutch slave cylinder and the water pump is known issues - that once fixed should not give further issues, but having to replace throttle bodies at 44k does not sound right  :-\
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Gérrard on August 03, 2017, 04:21:06 pm
By the time you ask this question you have already decided, you may just not know it... replace.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 04:32:39 pm
That is still low mileage - have heard of lots of 990s at well over 80k and 100k.
What did it cost to get them there though?

The clutch slave cylinder and the water pump is known issues - that once fixed should not give further issues, but having to replace throttle bodies at 44k does not sound right  :-\

The TPS and idle stepper motor both failed (I'm told).

I'm waiting for the clutch to go, but stuff like cracking exhaust headers, questionable head bearings, front axle clamps that break if you look at them funny...
I get the feeling that an 1190 wouldn't have these weaknesses, or am I wrong?

By the time you ask this question you have already decided, you may just not know it... replace.

 :lol8: yeah I guess so. Maybe I must just get a KLR that I can maintain with the tools and knowledge I have instead of relying on specialists ::)
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: bud500 on August 03, 2017, 04:39:54 pm

What did it cost to get them there though?


Mine is on 70 000km, owned it from new for 8 years now. Serviced regularly.
Extraordinary expenses were waterpump shaft seal, new rear header pipe and petrolpump filterkit. (Excluding farkles...)
Oh and I'm on my third front rim.
Other than that it has taken chains, sprockets and loads of tyres... :ricky:
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2017, 04:43:56 pm
That is still low mileage - have heard of lots of 990s at well over 80k and 100k.
What did it cost to get them there though?

The clutch slave cylinder and the water pump is known issues - that once fixed should not give further issues, but having to replace throttle bodies at 44k does not sound right  :-\

The TPS and idle stepper motor both failed (I'm told).

I'm waiting for the clutch to go, but stuff like cracking exhaust headers, questionable head bearings, front axle clamps that break if you look at them funny...
I get the feeling that an 1190 wouldn't have these weaknesses, or am I wrong?

By the time you ask this question you have already decided, you may just not know it... replace.

 :lol8: yeah I guess so. Maybe I must just get a KLR that I can maintain with the tools and knowledge I have instead of relying on specialists ::)

I just bought a 990 - had 21k on the clock when I got it. So I'm hoping for lots of km's on it.

I wanted to buy a 1090R new but I could not justify spending R110k more than what a low mileage 990 would cost.

I was looking at 1190R but with their dirt eating problems I just could not get myself to buy an 1190R 2nd hand - how do you know it did not eat dirt because of the air filter issue? I have heard of 1190R that had complete engine failure at 13k because of the air filter issue. So that was a risk I was not willing to take.

These bikes are not cheap to maintain that is for sure - I know the 990 will cost me a lot more to keep on the road compared to my Dakar that really did not cost me much to run. In the end you need to make the sums and decide what you are happy with spending on the bike.

Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: GregOnGS on August 03, 2017, 05:16:57 pm
What's this problematic water pump thing you all talk about??   :pot:
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2017, 05:36:47 pm
What's this problematic water pump thing you all talk about??   :pot:

It sits right next to the GS HALL sensor  :pot:
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on August 03, 2017, 05:52:36 pm
What's this problematic water pump thing you all talk about??   :pot:

It sits right next to the GS HALL sensor  :pot:

 :imaposer:

Appreciate the responses chaps. I guess you place your bets with any vehicle you buy. Myabe after investing R30k in all the shit that can go wrong with this bike it'll give me a good few miles of smiles before anything goes vrot again.

Makes me think that forking out the extra cash for a new (or nearly new) bike under warranty is worthwhile
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Gérrard on August 03, 2017, 06:08:04 pm

By the time you ask this question you have already decided, you may just not know it... replace.

 :lol8: yeah I guess so. Maybe I must just get a KLR that I can maintain with the tools and knowledge I have instead of relying on specialists ::)

5 years ago I did not believe it, but as you get older you just get tired of all the shit. You want simplicity... push the button and go.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 03, 2017, 06:20:04 pm
Yes Iamgiggls, upgrade to a 650KLR.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: I&horse on August 03, 2017, 06:31:19 pm
Get a 950. None of the electronic problems. Mine now over 100k km. But I've done most of the maintenance myself
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Post by: King Louis on August 05, 2017, 12:26:32 pm
Hey Gigglz, I am NOT giggling about this, trust me. Envied you from the moment you drove up to coffee that Friday morning, damn. it looked good. Now, hearing your story and what it cost you, I'm still quite happy with my ride. the problem is, we can discuss it until the cows come home, but it would not change a thing. You have to decide to hang on to it or not and live with the consequences.

My philosophy regarding a decision: if something is wrong, don't keep on fixing it. Cut your losses. So far it worked for me. I wish you good luck!
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: 1190 on August 05, 2017, 02:03:14 pm
Life's to short to spend too much time with one bike :thumleft:.....let a lone time spent having it repaired all the time... :lol8:



So many bikes...such little time :imaposer:
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Bundu on August 05, 2017, 02:17:34 pm
if money is an issue and the bike is generally still in a good condition, I would rather pay the R14k and fix the bike
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on August 05, 2017, 02:28:54 pm
I've spent around R6,000 in servicing and repairs (water pump), and I'm facing another R25,000 service & repair bill now (throttle bodies and fuel level sensor) of which my aftermarket warranty is paying R11,000.

The clutch slave cylinder and the water pump is known issues - that once fixed should not give further issues, but having to replace throttle bodies at 44k does not sound right  :-\

The TPS and idle stepper motor both failed (I'm told).

I would at first say fix and keep the bike.
But with all the problems you had so far which in my view is excessive I would say replace. Might be a Monday bike.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: silvrav on August 07, 2017, 12:08:06 pm
Eish bud, that is not good to hear...no need to giggle, as regardless if its a KTM/BMW/ZONDA/whatever

the 990 has always been your must have bike and i was excited for you when you got it (even at the loss of your trusty honda)

The question, as you stated though is if it’s worth repairing it?

My honest opinion would be to get something else....
Cut your losses and move on.

You want a reliable ride at the moment, especially if you going off-road as there is 2 little feet waiting at home.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Sheepman on August 07, 2017, 12:33:39 pm
I would rather hang onto it a bit more, given the repair bills already paid, unless a reliable KTM techie confirmed that you are soon heading for more big expences, after a thorough check up.
Did you check up on the maintenance regime followed by the prevoius owner(s) ?
Despite opinion by some, the 990 remains an excellent bike to own and ride and my own S has done the same mileage than yours, with only maintenance costs incurred.
Good luck with your decision.
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Post by: Omninorm on December 10, 2017, 01:58:11 am
@iamgigglz so what did you decide to do?
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: iamgigglz on December 11, 2017, 09:43:48 am
@iamgigglz so what did you decide to do?

I still have the 990.

I had the numbers a little wrong in the OP, so just to clarify:

Purchase mileage: 35478km (17 Aug 2016)
Mileage now: 46,000km
Money spent on:

Total: R49,521 or R5.14 per km. That becomes R6.92 per km if you include fuel.
Granted, a third of that R49k was optional, so for the sake of this thread let's say that keeping this bike on the road has cost me R32k in the 15 months I've owned it...and I'm going to need R1500 worth of brake pads in January.

All that said, I find it really, really difficult to turn my back on this bike. When it's running it's just So. Bloody. Good. Especially when you consider it cost me R70k. I'm starting a new job next year with a bit more money which will open up options for other really good bikes, but I'm struggling to find something with better bang for buck than the 990, even with the crazy maintenance.

Let's see what happens when the 890 lands...
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Noneking on December 11, 2017, 10:20:08 am



Thing is, it can happen with any bike or brand

4 years ago I bought a mint BMW HP2 with 11000km. 5000km later the engine packed up and it cost me R90k to sort out. 3 years later, on 27000km gearbox and driveshaft repairs cost R18000.
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Marbroza on December 11, 2017, 10:30:34 am

What did it cost to get them there though?


Mines on 109k, bought on 74k

So far i have replaced,
Tyres
Sprocket and chain set (only once)
Steering head bearings
Front and rear wheel bearings (I thought why not, they were still good though)
Rear disk
Pads front and rear
And now a dash

She leaks alot of oil, no idea where its coming from, but i think its the reason she went onto the sales floor originally.
My waterpump is also about to be fixed, shes losing coolant and i think its that
Title: Re: Maintain or Replace?
Post by: Straatkat on January 06, 2018, 05:11:21 pm
Marbroza, is it leaking by the sidestand bracket? If it is, cracked engine casing....