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Title: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on October 27, 2017, 01:44:22 am
Welcome to the Wilddog official Dakar 2018 Thread.

links to the start and each stage will be posted here so you can quickly jump to the right place.

Stage 1 - Starts here  (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=216725.180)

Please post any Dakar 2018 related links, photos videos etc.  you find in this thread. If you can, please check someone else has not already added what you want to post to avoid duplication.

Thanks -- the mod team.




Have I missed something or is there no 'Dakar 2018' thread yet? I haven't read anything about the top boys yet, I feel super behind now.

Mod edit: Sorry for my edits aka Goliath, but you should retain the honours for starting this years thread!   8) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on October 30, 2017, 10:21:54 am
Some nice info here:

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/?ref=br_rs

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22712417_1617255471667087_411207345173836717_o.jpg?oh=3a0b977dd7d177e1c8f5e90329d81c07&oe=5AA6875A)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on October 30, 2017, 04:56:34 pm
Toyota Dakar news...

"With the overall championship already in the bag after the Sun City 400, round 5 of the six-round championship, Toyota Gazoo Racing SA turned their attention to the upcoming Dakar Rally, which takes place in January 2018. As such, they not only entered the all-new mid-engined Toyota Hilux for the Atlas Copco Gold 400, but also had Dirk von Zitzewitz do duty as De Villiers’ navigator for the race.
“We’ve done a mass of testing since the last race,” explained Toyota Gazoo Racing SA Team Principal, Glyn Hall. “With the championship wrapped up, we wanted to give Dirk the opportunity to experience the new car, in preparation for next year’s Dakar.”
With its new mid-engine layout, the latest version of the team’s Toyota Hilux sees the crew seated in a new, more reclined position. So, a proper seat fitting was needed for Von Zitzewitz, who last competed with De Villiers in the Dakar Series: China Rally last month. That race, however, was run in the previous version of the Toyota Hilux."

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22859810_543590622647274_4468122219617581748_o.jpg?oh=093b8ad09080ac3285dcf0f0e0be7bcf&oe=5A7B0232)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on October 30, 2017, 05:01:18 pm
Toby Price recap...

https://www.facebook.com/tprice87/

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22788839_1717965768274474_1056689936237138586_n.jpg?oh=2e0c5696edc7d8d1f2647d04c7dddf9c&oe=5A728DBB)

"Out with the old and in with the new 👌🏼... While having my knee cleaned up I also went for a nail change in my leg for more strength!! Doctors went well today and back on my feet training tomorrow, knee feels way better"
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on October 31, 2017, 07:42:52 am
.....sub...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cracker on October 31, 2017, 07:56:10 am
Huh? ..... The pin they put in my leg looks the same as that one yet I had it removed. My doctor told me that if I break my leg again, with a pin still in, I'm gonna be in a world of shit.

Why the difference ... is there a doctor in the house?

Obviously I don't ride as well as him but I crash pretty good.

Anyways, good luck to him, I'd like him to win it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: tulips on October 31, 2017, 08:49:13 am
Cant find the entry list
South Africans entered (Please add) :-
Bikes
Willem Du Toit
Donovan Van De Langeberg
David Thomas


Cars
Giniel De Villiers


I Hope The Coronel twins are in again - Really enjoyed their You Tube Posts in the past
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on October 31, 2017, 06:28:21 pm
Cant find the entry list
South Africans entered (Please add) :-
Bikes
Willem Du Toit
Donovan Van De Langeberg
David Thomas
Gerry van der Byl
Walter Terblanche


Cars
Giniel De Villiers


I Hope The Coronel twins are in again - Really enjoyed their You Tube Posts in the past
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on October 31, 2017, 06:31:08 pm
I have been waiting for this Thread to start!!

Super exited about the 2018 Dakar!! I spent some time with Donovan and Willem at Rallye Survivor Badlands and Man o Man, they are to cheer for!!

I will be following and adding info as I can!! Whoop Whoop!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: GRyPH on October 31, 2017, 11:09:36 pm
subscribed
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on November 01, 2017, 02:03:19 am
Subscribed, I can't help myself, it's like an addiction  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: alli on November 01, 2017, 07:50:13 am
Subbed 😎
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 01, 2017, 04:18:12 pm
Works KTM Rally 450. Matthias Walkner and Toby Price will be riding these beauties....  :thumleft:

(https://transmoto.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/TobyPrice_Cred_KinMarcinRBCP5.jpg)

Transmoto interview with Price:

Compared to your previous rally bike, what was your first impression of the all-new KTM 450 Rally?

TP: My first impression was that there’s a big difference in the look and feel. It’s thinner, lighter and a lot more rideable compared to the old bike. And it handles a lot better. A step in the right direction for sure. It’s pretty rad.

With it being a completely new build, and around 10 kilos lighter, tell us what it was like riding it for the first time.
First time on the bike, it didn’t take long to get used to. It’s still a big bike, but you can feel the difference with the 10 kilos dropped. It’s lighter and more nimble, which helps when crossing technical sections – such as riverbeds and sand sections.
Did you notice a big difference with the way the engineers have transferred the bike’s weight forward and lower?
The biggest advantage with the weight loss and weight distribution I noticed came in turns; because with the weight shifted lower, it’s less top-heavy and feels more stable, especially when you tip in to a corner. With the ‘old’ bike, when you’d move past the balance point, it felt heavy and wanted to drop in. The new bike feels much lighter in this regard; it feels more like riding a motocross bike.

Do you think this new 450 Rally will be safer to ride in a race like Dakar because of its reduced weight and handling characteristics?

Yeah, for sure. I feel this new KTM 450 Rally bike is going to be safer to ride due to it being lighter and better-handling, which hopefully means it will be less fatiguing on you at the end of a big day at an event like Dakar. There’s been so much time and development put into this bike, which will be seeing us through the next few years of Dakar, where we’ll make refinements as we go. It’s exciting to reveal it (and for me, hopefully race it) at the 2018 Dakar Rally and find out how it really performs.

Will you be good to go for Dakar 2018?
At this stage, everything is on track for Dakar 2018. I’m pretty damn certain on making that start line. With no races under my belt, my preparation isn’t going to be as good as I would have liked, but mentally I’m in a good place at the moment. It’s really taken a long time to get my leg fixed up properly and get back on track. It’s just the way it is with the femur being the biggest bone in the body, and the time it takes to heal. I’ll be focusing on keeping my fitness up in the lead-up to Dakar, and also polishing up on my navigational road book skills in the office. I’ll make the call by the start of December, but I definitely don’t want to miss it; that’s for sure!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 01, 2017, 05:07:02 pm
Obligatory Laia pic.... keeping her sponsors happy.  ;D

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23004389_1520479601368025_9190937593889881838_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeFIJDxy_zO05awpCS4THMIw3MAD06tF2Hn38KTB9-lfaCQ_y8Y2KM51U-mkKuNHC6Q7joITAe2aAFytww7j9ibUwjIW1Kcpwdc9UUUayFQpBw&oh=7122cadf05ec10eefc5bcad6503369ec&oe=5A6D2C66)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: evansv on November 01, 2017, 05:51:53 pm
Sub :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Africamike on November 02, 2017, 11:01:58 am
Sub  :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 0012 on November 02, 2017, 03:51:29 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 03, 2017, 03:13:07 pm
 ;D  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DesmoDirt on November 06, 2017, 06:27:23 am
David Thomas came past the farm yesterday - all round good man. Wishing him a good ride.

Leon n Crew
Uitspankraal
Cederberg
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kreef on November 06, 2017, 06:39:03 am
sub  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on November 08, 2017, 01:44:14 am
Wessel Bosman posted a picture of a Dakar race number on Facebook today. Good sense of humour and some Paintshop skills, or is he having another go?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: donovanwho on November 08, 2017, 05:39:28 am
Officially Official

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/e0b8238503dc5b0c60cbaff47865dfa2.jpg)


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on November 08, 2017, 06:42:49 am
Dakar 2018 just got real for these guys!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/e35f810bdf06b7df3b8ea435ed3eca61.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/c8c8700a5c9fb106f26f43adafc59641.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/97604cbf92247d410d83349684578b84.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/c3b142751c879b5fc644f76d6cd1f4d2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171108/1de081c492be21c634ab87e5a1c89e4e.jpg)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on November 08, 2017, 10:34:12 am
  . . .those race numbers will be followed . . .
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: GRyPH on November 08, 2017, 10:50:54 am
  . . .those race numbers will be followed . . .

Definitely!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Koet on November 08, 2017, 11:25:09 am
Sub!  Epic-ness in the making.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on November 08, 2017, 11:29:49 am

I Hope The Coronel twins are in again - Really enjoyed their You Tube Posts in the past

They are.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 09, 2017, 02:51:37 pm
Honda HRC Team putting on a show - ready for Dakar 2018!   :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23334088_10156090097680827_5948182073468226667_o.jpg?oh=912bc99d0f73a3f488786879f6b7c939&oe=5A62FF7B)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23405733_10156090097905827_1888352640674709033_o.jpg?oh=6186e0c739263e53ab948873f8e4867a&oe=5A9EB9F7)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23405708_10156090097910827_1855051967974911983_o.jpg?oh=5a53cd8d329c70a5e124a0b7e00e04ff&oe=5A9B2A02)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on November 09, 2017, 02:57:33 pm
Honda HRC Team putting on a show - ready for Dakar 2018!   :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23334088_10156090097680827_5948182073468226667_o.jpg?oh=912bc99d0f73a3f488786879f6b7c939&oe=5A62FF7B)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23405733_10156090097905827_1888352640674709033_o.jpg?oh=6186e0c739263e53ab948873f8e4867a&oe=5A9EB9F7)

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/23405708_10156090097910827_1855051967974911983_o.jpg?oh=5a53cd8d329c70a5e124a0b7e00e04ff&oe=5A9B2A02)
Jeez could this be the year  :dontknow: Hopefully no more drowned bikes, crashes or disqualifications !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BFG on November 09, 2017, 03:35:11 pm
Jeez could this be the year  :dontknow: Hopefully no more drowned bikes, crashes or disqualifications !
I've got a sneaky feeling that Honda could pull it off next year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 10, 2017, 08:35:57 am
Jeez could this be the year  :dontknow: Hopefully no more drowned bikes, crashes or disqualifications !
I've got a sneaky feeling that Honda could pull it off next year.

Yes! 2018 and Honda must pull off the win! Put some Monster in the tank, why not!?

https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/report/dakar-day-2018/#.WgTHC15h880.facebook

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/11/5a04ae27e7ee13.34595125.jpg)

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/11/5a04ae2fc5dfe6.42973303.jpg)

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/11/5a04ae37b5bc40.99222970.jpg)

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/11/5a04ae167874b8.75434498.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Just In Time on November 10, 2017, 01:51:00 pm
Going to be spending many unproductive hours watching this thread next year.  Lets see if KTM can steal another victory from Honda.... :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on November 10, 2017, 02:21:22 pm
I'm going to put my Husqvarna cap on and hoist the Husky flag . . .
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: skydiver on November 11, 2017, 08:36:55 pm
Jeez could this be the year  :dontknow: Hopefully no more drowned bikes, crashes or disqualifications !
I've got a sneaky feeling that Honda could pull it off next year.
I will be shouting for Honda once again next year  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: donovanwho on November 11, 2017, 09:22:11 pm
And here is she, last bits of prep before leaving for Dakar, I will be Flying (malle moto, solo) to Paris on the 21st to attend the Official Dakar Presentation on the 22, meet up with the other #originalsbymotul (malle moto) competitors and meet some Aliens (Dakar Legends) I will also travel to Le Havre to meet up with the Bass Truck Team on the 23, I am renting this beast from them and I will be traveling with them before and after the Dakar. They will load my and the Teams bikes and assistant vehicles on the boat that will  ship the Dakar convoy to Peru for the start of the Dakar on the 6th of Jan 2018, I will then return to SA on the 25th. Why not experience the full flight of the Dakar, this is #mydaringadventure!!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171111/f432164ebabd8f7856758913b1905c94.jpg)


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: geopat on November 12, 2017, 09:50:28 am
Good luck to our boys we will be supporting you
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: McSack on November 12, 2017, 10:14:39 am
Sub

Good luck boys

Got to find a way to get better TV coverage than what is locally available through Monochoice for 2018
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on November 15, 2017, 10:43:10 am
I was lucky enough to chat to Nasser Al-Attiyah at the Rally Cross event on Sunday about his preparation for Dakar 2018. The NEW Toyota Gazoo bakkie that was driven by Geniel on the track is Nasser's Dakar bakkie for 2018! Nasser told Geniel to drive it nicely as it's his car but Geniel just nailed it... lol.

The Bakkie is a completely new vehicle... the only thing that is the same as last years bakkie is the shampe and lights. Alles anders is anders!!
What a nice person to chat to! He was also very impressed that so many people knew him by name - so I told him he is the most famous Qatari in Dakar..

I will follow him for sure!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bullit on November 15, 2017, 11:59:16 am
sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: zetman on November 15, 2017, 09:10:57 pm

 :deal: Mr  Posskittake my touring bike to Dakar is going again 2018 with a ful media team going to be interesting
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/62691083/races-to-places-live-dakar-rally-2018-ft-lyndon-po/description

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rokie on November 20, 2017, 08:57:55 pm

 :deal: Mr  Posskittake my touring bike to Dakar is going again 2018 with a ful media team going to be interesting
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/62691083/races-to-places-live-dakar-rally-2018-ft-lyndon-po/description

I can't help myself . . . I signed up . . .  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: zetman on November 20, 2017, 09:15:42 pm
Goeie werk hy het toe genoeg geld ingesamel projek  gaan voort
  sy 2017 DAKAR  malles  moto movie kom ook  uit 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bullit on November 21, 2017, 10:04:58 am
Wat het van die ouens geword wat die Dakar Challenge in Botswana gewen het ?

Weet daar is n SA Nissan Navara wat deur die Jurgen Shroden gaan ry, (Alfie Cox se ou pel).

Enige Ford's die jaar?

Century racing? 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: I&horse on November 21, 2017, 10:22:40 am
Saw the bakkies at WRX, they sound awesome!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: donovanwho on November 25, 2017, 10:20:22 am
Lock and Loaded for Dakar 2018(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171125/da3d97da7641c0443cd7999b5581fc4e.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171125/9921ba3d8ad3722f3fa1e55c3a8275dd.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171125/a84901cfe259a3bd8297cd3d5a3637c8.jpg)


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on November 25, 2017, 06:19:20 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on November 26, 2017, 09:38:36 am
 . . . wow ! . . .
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on November 26, 2017, 10:11:29 am
Just saw on ADVforum that one of HRC Dakar Rally bikes was stolen out of a transport truck in France !
Donny, is it a rumour ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 26, 2017, 04:36:47 pm
Little bit late into this thread, but great to see all the familiar posters :thumleft:
Steve!!  :wave: Great to see you here boet!
Do you guys think I should sticky the thread or is it still too early.  Also shall we keep this thread going as a buildup only or run it through to the end of the Dakar???  8) :o  :biggrin:

So awesome to have so many saffas in this one! We are going to be following you all closely! Hammer to the Donkey boys and enjoy it! :thumleft:

Donovan: Can you tell us a little about how it felt to be at Le Havre? :deal:




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 28, 2017, 08:55:38 am
Getting real! Countdown of some of the top riders in contention - pity they don't rate Paulo Goncalves? He must be one of the faves to take it.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1643679995691301/

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on November 29, 2017, 06:36:12 am
Little bit late into this thread, but great to see all the familiar posters :thumleft:
Steve!!  :wave: Great to see you here boet!
Do you guys think I should sticky the thread or is it still too early.  Also shall we keep this thread going as a buildup only or run it through to the end of the Dakar???  8) :o  :biggrin:


BAD question Bluebull - Sticky IT.. lol - Run too the end...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 29, 2017, 01:49:29 pm
Joan Pedrero on the Sherco, ready for Dakar 2018. Lyk darem lekker!  :thumleft:

https://www.facebook.com/joanpedrero/videos/1361144833989628/

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on November 30, 2017, 08:47:50 am
Nice infographic on Geniel de Villiers.  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/24131848_556776757995327_6729161251959359015_o.jpg?oh=4bb8c7c171d1e5bba4edc8b56fcfa369&oe=5AD403B6)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on November 30, 2017, 09:17:52 am
 :thumleft:

His finishing percentage is actually quite impressive.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Orangeswifty on November 30, 2017, 09:29:52 am
Little bit late into this thread, but great to see all the familiar posters :thumleft:
Steve!!  :wave: Great to see you here boet!
Do you guys think I should sticky the thread or is it still too early.  Also shall we keep this thread going as a buildup only or run it through to the end of the Dakar???  8) :o  :biggrin:

So awesome to have so many saffas in this one! We are going to be following you all closely! Hammer to the Donkey boys and enjoy it! :thumleft:

Donovan: Can you tell us a little about how it felt to be at Le Havre? :deal:
Good to see you as well Niel.......
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on November 30, 2017, 10:17:17 pm
Wiledog :thumleft:

Have to say I hope Joan Pedrero finishes. Those bloody Sherco's have a poor record of finishing.  >:( He is a top rider, and deserves a break after all these years. Dakar is a brutal mistress.

Little bit late into this thread, but great to see all the familiar posters :thumleft:
Steve!!  :wave: Great to see you here boet!

Good to see you as well Niel.......
I been gone that long? ;)  Swifty ou boet, how are you and the Mrs doing?

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 02, 2017, 06:30:56 pm
Perhaps someone could ask the Yamaha team to start riding so long, so they have a bit of a chance? 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on December 02, 2017, 07:39:09 pm
 . . . HRC has got one raider stolen  . .
Confirmation ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Andy660 on December 03, 2017, 12:09:38 am
Subscribed !

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on December 06, 2017, 08:59:58 am
Dakar Rally 2018 will begin on
Saturday, 6 January
and ends on
Saturday, 20 January


One month from NOW!! Whoop Whoop!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: seankriel on December 06, 2017, 09:19:23 am
All the South Africans I could find... Good luck with the last month Prep....


RIDER
45 David Thomas
Date of birth :30/09/1976 at Cape Town
Height / weight :1.86 m / 87 kg
Sponsors :firstcheck.co.za
Website :http://www.journeytodakar.co.za/ 
Dakar record :2017: Ab. Stage 5

59 Willem Du Toit
Date of birth :17/12/1979 at Upington
Height / weight :1.92 m / 84 kg
Sponsors :Zelco Motors, Fuchs, Aurora, FXR, Opperman Brokers, Xhale Extreme, WP Suspension
Website :http://willemdutoit.co.za/
Dakar record : first appearance

99 Wessel Bosman
Date of birth :24/06/1958 at South Africa
Dakar record : (they don't have much on Wessel)

125 Donovan Van De Langenberg
Date of birth :07/06/1980 at Paarl, Rsa
Height / weight :1.81 m / 70 kg
Sponsors :Red Revenge, Husqvarna, Jotun, Nithrone, MX24, Treeco, 3-in-1 Liposlim, West Coast Malle Moto, Bykleyn, Ocean View House, The Car Warehouse, Aidan Bennets
Website :https://mydaringadventure.co.za/
Dakar record : first appearance

129 Gerry Van Der Byl
Date of birth :22/03/1967 at Zuid Afrika
Height / weight :1.73 m / 78 kg
Sponsors :Supersport 
Dakar record : First appearance

CARS:

304 Giniel De Villiers
Date of birth :25/03/1972 at Barrydale
Height / weight :1.78 m / 75 kg
Sponsors :Specialized, Red Bull, Oakley, Toyota, Duxbury Netgear, Innovation Group
Website :http://toyotagazooracing.com/ 
Dakar record :
2017: 5th (Toyota Hilux)
2016: 3rd (Toyota Hilux)
2015: 2nd (Toyota Hilux)
2014: 4th (Toyota Hilux), 1 stage win)
2013: 2nd (Toyota Hilux)
2012: 3rd (Toyota Hilux)
2011: 2nd (Volkswagen, 1 stage win)
2010: 7th (Volkswagen)
2009: winner (Volkswagen, 3 stage wins)
2007: 11th (Volkswagen, 4 stage wins)
2006: 2nd (Volkswagen, 1 stage win)
2005: 4th (2 stage wins, Nissan)
2004: 7th (1 stage win, Nissan)
2003: 5th (with Nissan)

318 Robert Howie (Navigator for 318)
Date of birth:07/12/1972 in Johannesburg

353 Hennie De Klerk
Date of birth :23/06/1969 at Dsfdsfsd
Height / weight :1.73 m / 80 kg
Sponsors :Treasury One, Cooper Tyres, Forex
Website :http://www.treasuryone.co.za/
Dakar record :2017: First appearance
Gerhardt Schutte (Navigator 353)
Date of birth :26/09/1965 at Afrique Du Sud
Sponsors :Treasuro One, Cooper Tyres, Forex
Dakar record : First appearance


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 06, 2017, 06:38:04 pm
Zuid Afrika ?? :imaposer:

And where in RSA is Dsfdsfd?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on December 06, 2017, 08:39:40 pm
  . . in Afrika in die Suide  . . .
Met ander woorde , 'n ZAFfer . .
Sterkte !
I take my hat off to our chaps !
Wish them the best.
In a months time, they would have done the start section.
Then the Dakar only begins . . .
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kenisis on December 08, 2017, 01:46:19 pm

And that is why I wouldn’t enter the Dakar. Not sure I’d want my weight published  :deal:

All the South Africans I could find... Good luck with the last month Prep....


RIDER
45 David Thomas
Date of birth :30/09/1976 at Cape Town
Height / weight :1.86 m / 87 kg
Sponsors :firstcheck.co.za
Website :http://www.journeytodakar.co.za/ 
Dakar record :2017: Ab. Stage 5

59 Willem Du Toit
Date of birth :17/12/1979 at Upington
Height / weight :1.92 m / 84 kg
Sponsors :Zelco Motors, Fuchs, Aurora, FXR, Opperman Brokers, Xhale Extreme, WP Suspension
Website :http://willemdutoit.co.za/
Dakar record : first appearance

99 Wessel Bosman
Date of birth :24/06/1958 at South Africa
Dakar record : (they don't have much on Wessel)

125 Donovan Van De Langenberg
Date of birth :07/06/1980 at Paarl, Rsa
Height / weight :1.81 m / 70 kg
Sponsors :Red Revenge, Husqvarna, Jotun, Nithrone, MX24, Treeco, 3-in-1 Liposlim, West Coast Malle Moto, Bykleyn, Ocean View House, The Car Warehouse, Aidan Bennets
Website :https://mydaringadventure.co.za/
Dakar record : first appearance

129 Gerry Van Der Byl
Date of birth :22/03/1967 at Zuid Afrika
Height / weight :1.73 m / 78 kg
Sponsors :Supersport 
Dakar record : First appearance

CARS:

304 Giniel De Villiers
Date of birth :25/03/1972 at Barrydale
Height / weight :1.78 m / 75 kg
Sponsors :Specialized, Red Bull, Oakley, Toyota, Duxbury Netgear, Innovation Group
Website :http://toyotagazooracing.com/ 
Dakar record :
2017: 5th (Toyota Hilux)
2016: 3rd (Toyota Hilux)
2015: 2nd (Toyota Hilux)
2014: 4th (Toyota Hilux), 1 stage win)
2013: 2nd (Toyota Hilux)
2012: 3rd (Toyota Hilux)
2011: 2nd (Volkswagen, 1 stage win)
2010: 7th (Volkswagen)
2009: winner (Volkswagen, 3 stage wins)
2007: 11th (Volkswagen, 4 stage wins)
2006: 2nd (Volkswagen, 1 stage win)
2005: 4th (2 stage wins, Nissan)
2004: 7th (1 stage win, Nissan)
2003: 5th (with Nissan)

318 Robert Howie (Navigator for 318)
Date of birth:07/12/1972 in Johannesburg

353 Hennie De Klerk
Date of birth :23/06/1969 at Dsfdsfsd
Height / weight :1.73 m / 80 kg
Sponsors :Treasury One, Cooper Tyres, Forex
Website :http://www.treasuryone.co.za/
Dakar record :2017: First appearance
Gerhardt Schutte (Navigator 353)
Date of birth :26/09/1965 at Afrique Du Sud
Sponsors :Treasuro One, Cooper Tyres, Forex
Dakar record : First appearance



Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: YamaV on December 08, 2017, 02:45:15 pm
At the Cape Town RX event Giniel and a couple others did some laps around the track and man, those Hiluxes sound great! The Navaras as well!

Not often you see a bakkie powerslide all 4 wheels around a bend  :drif:

We asked Giniel what happened with the RWD Hilux and he said it was a budget thing. And that basically the 4WD bakkie is good, fast and pretty much sorted. And I think it's got more power this year.

Holding thumbs for him, but those Peugeot's are very quick..that is if they can keep all 4 wheels on the ground.

And the new Mini buggy looks nice!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 09, 2017, 04:49:20 am
Love it!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Orangeswifty on December 09, 2017, 11:23:57 am
Love it!  :ricky:

Great clip Niel
I got goosebumps all over again
The faces full of elation at the end.............it must be a fantastic feeling of achievement :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 09, 2017, 05:11:15 pm
Here is a look at the last 40 years of Dakar. Amazing to think its 40 years already.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: YamaV on December 14, 2017, 04:03:47 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on December 15, 2017, 11:08:35 am
The Gazoo Toyotas packed and ready to go! Min dae!!!!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25358440_564045290601807_2740879152425129529_o.jpg?oh=19b0035591d0c9cc46763b670d682aa0&oe=5A8E6973)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25311272_564045313935138_403474197371150201_o.jpg?oh=4b4b8c9d6e9a47eb0381bdfd0ca59b1d&oe=5AC00C0A)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/25351875_564045340601802_2950301702864917544_o.jpg?oh=a509dacdd96a2241d449ef31bb35136b&oe=5AD2004C)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on December 15, 2017, 01:38:31 pm
Sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: desertfox on December 15, 2017, 03:20:32 pm
 :sip: :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 15, 2017, 03:32:25 pm
They must be flying them to Peru?

insane.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on December 15, 2017, 05:00:03 pm
They must be flying them to Peru?

insane.

They’ve been doing it for a couple of years now. Helps if SAA is one of your sponsors.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on December 15, 2017, 06:01:00 pm
They must be flying them to Peru?

insane.

They’ve been doing it for a couple of years now. Helps if SAA is one of your sponsors.

Oh I am sponsoring the GR Toyota's - Yay  :blob8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on December 15, 2017, 10:01:01 pm
 
They must be flying them to Peru?

insane.

They’ve been doing it for a couple of years now. Helps if SAA is one of your sponsors.

Oh I am sponsoring the GR Toyota's - Yay  :blob8:

 :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on December 27, 2017, 02:34:06 pm
D-10
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on December 27, 2017, 02:58:15 pm
Get a beer and put an hour aside.

&t=2s
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: africanSky on December 27, 2017, 06:11:23 pm
Watched it last night, very cool  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on December 27, 2017, 07:42:03 pm
Can not follow so intencely this time round...  :'(

Due to relocation to Canada and the coverage here is apparently crap + brutal work load.

I will check in here to check up from time to time, thanks in advance to the die hards that will keep this thread updated!

And lastly GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE THAT WILL COMPETE!

DAKAAAAAR!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on December 27, 2017, 08:00:16 pm
The Gazoo Toyotas packed and ready to go! Min dae!!!!  :thumleft:

If they have their stickers on them, then they must have gone through scrutineering surely? Did they fly them over to France and back again, only to have to fly them then to South America?

I thought once through scrutineering they would have been in a Parc Ferme'?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on December 27, 2017, 08:14:36 pm
Not sure about the sticker story. The riders were sent their stickers?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on December 27, 2017, 09:47:19 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Gtank on December 27, 2017, 10:17:00 pm
Get a beer and put an hour aside.

&t=2s
Loved it thanks

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on December 27, 2017, 10:29:14 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.


OK - maybe because their bikes are there already I guess. But saw this that made me think stickers but probably just publicity https://www.facebook.com/groups/215095118546883/permalink/1673165829406464/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on December 28, 2017, 12:21:08 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.


OK - maybe because their bikes are there already I guess. But saw this that made me think stickers but probably just publicity https://www.facebook.com/groups/215095118546883/permalink/1673165829406464/

Vehicles presented in Le Havre already have their stickers but still have to go through final scrutineering. Rest will get theirs in Lima at scrutineering, which runs from the 3rd to the 5th of Jan.

http://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/verifsuk.pdf
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on December 28, 2017, 03:26:05 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.


OK - maybe because their bikes are there already I guess. But saw this that made me think stickers but probably just publicity https://www.facebook.com/groups/215095118546883/permalink/1673165829406464/

Vehicles presented in Le Havre already have their stickers but still have to go through final scrutineering. Rest will get theirs in Lima at scrutineering, which runs from the 3rd to the 5th of Jan.

http://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/verifsuk.pdf
Dankie Panne
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on December 28, 2017, 06:01:28 pm
WOW
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 28, 2017, 06:59:11 pm
The Gazoo Toyotas packed and ready to go! Min dae!!!!  :thumleft:

If they have their stickers on them, then they must have gone through scrutineering surely? Did they fly them over to France and back again, only to have to fly them then to South America?

I thought once through scrutineering they would have been in a Parc Ferme'?

I think the lead teams get their stickers early...regardless of scrutineering.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on December 28, 2017, 09:06:14 pm
Dankie Panne

Plesier cocky! Skreeu maar as daar nog ietsie is!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 28, 2017, 10:32:05 pm
some Fr4 vid of the front guys getting the nav. wrong and also messing in the mud earlier this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Jovan on December 29, 2017, 06:42:09 am
Sub  :sip:
Title: Dakar 2018
Post by: Catchy on December 30, 2017, 05:40:41 pm
Go Honda.......

https://youtu.be/MNG05w2GanY
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on December 31, 2017, 06:31:18 am
EISH!!!only in my dreams do i ride a bike like that,wheeling over rocks
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mooch on December 31, 2017, 10:37:51 am
100% Sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: jossvw on December 31, 2017, 10:51:22 am
sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: mike gs on December 31, 2017, 11:15:58 am
Second that! Beautiful!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RobC on December 31, 2017, 01:14:42 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.
Most of the scrutineering has been done last month in France, the bulk of entrants veichles left by container ship as it was cheaper than flying, those that had the cash would be the ones that have flown in and will be scrutineered in South America. From what I have been reading on Lyndon Poskitt and the Dakar FB pages.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on December 31, 2017, 03:24:46 pm
No, you have to have your bike in France or South America to go through scrutineering.
Most of the scrutineering has been done last month in France, the bulk of entrants veichles left by container ship as it was cheaper than flying, those that had the cash would be the ones that have flown in and will be scrutineered in South America. From what I have been reading on Lyndon Poskitt and the Dakar FB pages.
Factory teams go in 40" containers other competitors go on a Ro-Ro ship, cheaper option.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 31, 2017, 04:47:55 pm
Frustrating that we are starting the race only on the 6th. I wonder if old Ettienne is getting pressure from his Mrs. that he needs to be home for Christmas and New with the family. ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on December 31, 2017, 08:21:25 pm
My new years wish : Honda takes the 2018 Dakar win, releases a 450 / 500 dual sport replica (single or twin I'm not picky) which costs less than 100 grand weighs less than 160kg makes 55 reliable horses and has a fuel range of at least 350km !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2018, 01:39:55 am
Happy new year everyone :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2018, 01:48:56 am
Here is a nice video with "Shoestring Manny", a Dakar malle moto legend who rode with Joey (T9er) Evans, talking about his Yamaha rallye bike.

A must see for those of you who like to build your own rally bikes from scratch.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Tony the Boney on January 01, 2018, 08:06:09 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: whitefish on January 01, 2018, 11:25:26 am
 :sip:  Sterkte aan al die SA ysters wat deelneem, ek is ook al verslaaf aan die thread. Hoop Giniel kan weer n has uit die hoed trek vanjaar maar dink Nasser gaan die ding doen behalwe as hy weer ongeluk maak!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 01, 2018, 05:15:19 pm
My new years wish : Honda takes the 2018 Dakar win, releases a 450 / 500 dual sport replica (single or twin I'm not picky) which costs less than 100 grand weighs less than 160kg makes 55 reliable horses and has a fuel range of at least 350km !
Hey please put me onto ur dope supplier  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Wolzak on January 01, 2018, 05:34:29 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2018, 07:18:36 pm
Following Lyndon this year should be great. :ricky:

&pbjreload=10
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: mike gs on January 01, 2018, 07:43:27 pm
Dankie that will be exciting to watch

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Jaakmh on January 01, 2018, 08:37:56 pm
I hope Honda can create an upset this year!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2018, 10:53:24 pm
Here is a nice intro to Rally raid and explains some of the technical differences including navigation for those of you new to rally.




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Renrew on January 01, 2018, 11:43:35 pm
Awesome vid’s B2007, thanks for uploading.

Will be sure to follow Lyndon, what a legend!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 02, 2018, 05:57:33 am
hopefully honda can break the strangle hold of the darkside this year(not that i'm a honda fan)a change would be nice.my Yammies have been useless since the glory days of the S10's.that being said,should be some good racing this ediion
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 02, 2018, 06:29:11 am
Sub'd  :sip:

Jan 20 another win for KTM.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 02, 2018, 06:35:31 am


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 02, 2018, 06:58:51 am
One of the best videos for this year's Dakar was this one:
&t=6s

The guy who was hit by the car breaking his leg (at 2:50 in the vid) that Joey helped...Remember him?

Well he is back this year. His name is Simon Marcic. Another Malle moto hero.

Simon Marcic is what you can call a Dakar fanatic. Whatever the cost, whatever the sacrifices, whatever the pain, the Slovenian has a passion for the Dakar. And that started as soon as his dad bought him a 125cc dirt bike to reward him for his good grades at school. His journey on the world's toughest rally hasn't been an easy one however. A fine enduro specialist, he struggled on his first appearance on the race back in 2014 when he was forced to quit early. After a one-year break, he returned to the event on his KTM 450, and accomplished the mission he had set: to finish the Dakar. But what a struggle it was for the rider from Maribor who had registered in the malle-moto class with no assistance. His 79th spot in Rosario came as a huge achievement after suffering injuries to his fingers, wrist and collarbone. Last year, after enjoying ten fine days, bad luck struck again in the blinding dust of Argentina. Marcic was indeed caught in a collision with Stephane Peterhansel's Peugeot, resulting in a leg fracture. Painful moments for Simon while the future winner of the car class, a former biker of course, was devastated. Since then a true friendship started between both men, “Peter” offering to help the injured rider. The 35-year-old hasn't however turned his back on the Dakar and he'll be back in 2018. His goal remains to do better. Still in the ‘Original' category, he will again live an adventure like no others as a real hero of the event.

“My father bought me a 125cc dirt bike in 1998 after I had got good grades at school and after I had already smashed a 50cc moped, riding enduro. So riding bikes goes way back. The Dakar is a real challenge for me. A life long project and dreamed wish. Concerning 2017, I basically have nice memories, until the crash with Stephane. Then everything turned nasty. I didn't immediately suffer pain but my heart was crying. It was 2 stages before the end. Stephane was very nice and helpful. He called me after a few days, and said he would help. My recovery was very painful, but I was back on my bike 4 weeks after the surgery. First of all my ambition is to finish the race, and possibly manage a good result in the ‘Original' class. To be part of 40th anniversary is definitely a big deal for me. It's an honour to be part of it.”

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/22140759_800404140139980_3466084060464794602_n.jpg?oh=20f3202cff44253b9de2fa499a23c6b0&oe=5AD40BAA)

Malle moto training the spirit.

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/22528898_806825562831171_2238493059315864166_o.jpg?oh=62dc8b3553c3fa4ae81d958c667cf1f4&oe=5AD33B7C)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23621619_819200638260330_6646823490283496933_n.jpg?oh=c203aa71bc3be2e5683e4c22d2e23eeb&oe=5A9AFF9D)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 02, 2018, 07:14:17 am
Yamaha's factory team. Ping 2StrokeDan. :laughing7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ganjora on January 02, 2018, 07:24:58 am
In my house races to places is watched by everyone.
We are huge lyndon fans.
Cannot wait for his dakar attempt and videos.
Have no doubt he will succeed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Blender on January 02, 2018, 08:46:34 am
Sub  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: jeff on January 02, 2018, 10:42:24 am
Yoh!!!!!! :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 02, 2018, 05:51:30 pm
Thanks BB for your inputs !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 02, 2018, 07:43:08 pm
Bike build time lapse of Lyndon's bike REX.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kriestoe on January 02, 2018, 09:14:28 pm
Sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 02, 2018, 09:18:04 pm
Hi all.
Just saw this on FB:
“#6 Paulo Goncalves has suffered an injury during recent training, and may not be able to make the start this year

I hope it is not true. I like Gonk.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 02, 2018, 11:36:41 pm
In my house races to places is watched by everyone.
We are huge lyndon fans.
Cannot wait for his dakar attempt and videos.
Have no doubt he will succeed.

Haha! Mine too... My 2 year old can say Lyndon Poskritt... Each memeber involved! LOVE IT! Good tv... Beats Barney any day!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2018, 07:04:45 am
Hi all.
Just saw this on FB:
“#6 Paulo Goncalves has suffered an injury during recent training, and may not be able to make the start this year

I hope it is not true. I like Gonk.

Dislocated shoulder and torn knee ligaments, if true he wont be starting.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RobC on January 03, 2018, 07:38:34 am
Following Lyndon this year should be great. :ricky:

&pbjreload=10
Now that Vinnie is not racing he is my favourite. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 03, 2018, 07:54:01 am
Guys still riding a month before a big event like this is nuts.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 03, 2018, 11:58:00 am
History of Dakar 1979 -1997


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 03, 2018, 10:43:20 pm
The princess....



Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 03, 2018, 10:50:09 pm
This gives a good idea of what riding and navigation is like in open dunes on a rally.

This chap has had videos on the net for a while. What’s cool about his is that he posts the whole thing for as long as his batteries last.

He won his class E1 on a bog standard enduro machine with navigation gear.

https://translate.google.co.za/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.bianchiprata.com/en/&prev=search

In this video, you can see he gets passed by a guy who probably has the better bike but definitely reads the sand better at about the 9.7km mark. So it’s noticeable that he tags along with him for a while for the easier lines until he starts to have to check the navigation. It’s a slippery slope trying to hang with a faster guy and navigate properly at the same time. It’s either hang with him and trust his navigation, which is never a good idea, or ride your own race.

Here you can see the normal layout. His trip is telling him he’s 10.0km’s from the start on a heading of 123 degrees. His road book is telling him that the next waypoint is at 11.1 where he’ll have to make a direction change to 182 degrees. Just above that 182, where he's coloured in green is a symbol that means that there's a waypoint there. He needs to get within 50 meters of that GPS point that will be there. To the right of that is a HP, that means off piste or no roads. He just has to get there on a heading bearing.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-DN8pTL5/0/b0af74f5/L/Before%20waypoint-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-DN8pTL5/A)

Just 300 meters on and within a set distance from a GPS point that will be the waypoint, his organisers unit, automatically changes to give him an arrow and meters left to get to it.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-qj2Kcjx/0/54887698/L/Within%20waypoint-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-qj2Kcjx/A)

If he doesn’t use his roadbook to navigate to within an 800 meter radius of that point, he will not be credited with that waypoint and incur time penalties. That wouldn’t be the least of his issues if he did that. He’d effectively be lost, (as you see some other poor dude later who missed a refuel), and have to back track to the last place he knew he was on the roadbook.

He has his own GPS for just in case he has a crash an destroys his nav tower, or, it may be used by the organisers to double check his route if their unit goes on the blink. But, it’s otherwise useless for navigation – it has no idea where you are wanting to go.




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 03, 2018, 11:47:34 pm
Rodney Faggotter?!!! :eek7: :o
I'd not be too happy with my father with a surname like that!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 04, 2018, 02:55:06 pm
The time is near!!
What is the best way to follow as much as possible of the Dakar?
There must be better options than the 30 Min highlights on DSTv once a day?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 04, 2018, 03:00:47 pm
The time is near!!
What is the best way to follow as much as possible of the Dakar?
There must be better options than the 30 Min highlights on DSTv once a day?

 :spitcoffee: 30 min... thats including the adverts.... :-[
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: David.H on January 04, 2018, 03:09:21 pm
The time is near!!
What is the best way to follow as much as possible of the Dakar?
There must be better options than the 30 Min highlights on DSTv once a day?
I recommend following Lyndon Poskitt on Facebook and YouTube
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 03:15:47 pm
The time is near!!
What is the best way to follow as much as possible of the Dakar?
There must be better options than the 30 Min highlights on DSTv once a day?


There is>: Right here. This thread can become very addictive. :laughing7: Also we will post you the links for the French National TV channels Fr2 and Fr3. :deal:

It will be in French but contains all the best footage of the Dakar, typically 1-1.5hrs/day. You may need to install a VPN (is that what they call it?) like "Hola" to be able to watch it on your laptop, this little app basically sits in your internet browser and allows you to set your "viewing" location, which unblocks Fr2 from playing on your machine.

Finally as David H mentions, you can follow a lot on Youtube, the Dakar site, Facebook & twitter.

If you can please post the links you find so this thread becomes your one-stop Dakar control system.  :thumleft: :thumleft:  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 03:18:19 pm
Hi all.
Just saw this on FB:
“#6 Paulo Goncalves has suffered an injury during recent training, and may not be able to make the start this year

I hope it is not true. I like Gonk.

Damn, that really sucks. :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 04, 2018, 03:20:08 pm
Cool thanks, I followed on the thread last year, and already follow Lyndon, but haven't watched the French channels yet, will get the VPN to be ready!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 03:22:20 pm
@Kamanya : I met Bianchi Prata in 2010 in Brazil - a helluva nice Portuguese chap and a great rider. He posts videos of all his rallies; there must be like 20-30 Dakar stages to watch on his channel. Was looking for 2017 footage but I guess he was doing that other rally in Africa. Have not checked yet but hopefully he is doing the Dakar again this year.



Rodney Faggotter?!!! :eek7: :o
I'd not be too happy with my father with a surname like that!!


 :laughing4: Yeah, Actually he is one to watch as one of the top Aussie riders.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dogmatix on January 04, 2018, 03:23:44 pm
The time is near!!
What is the best way to follow as much as possible of the Dakar?
There must be better options than the 30 Min highlights on DSTv once a day?

 :spitcoffee: 30 min... thats including the adverts.... :-[

Yeah, canned DSTV since the end of the GPs so this will help for my Dakar fix!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2018, 03:29:43 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 03:37:57 pm
Given that this thread is already 160 something posts long, I have updated the first post and will try to link a shortcut to the start of each Stage there. This way you can go back to look at older posts or catch up quickly without wasting time dragging through hundreds of pages. ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 03:51:44 pm
Check out Jurgen van Goorberg's malle moto setup. Will be interesting to see him vs. Lyndon.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPVq_0_XcAMKF6t.jpg)


He is building his own rally kits now from a standard EXC 450.  :deal:
https://blog.ktm.com/his-last-road-to-dakar-1/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 04, 2018, 04:09:34 pm
Are they (Malle Moto) not allowed to buy anything for their bikes, e.g. oil or any spare parts? If something breaks that you don't have in your box you are screwed - or do I have it wrong? Are they allowed to borrow tools?
I know they may have their tyres changed by the tyre trucks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2018, 04:20:02 pm
AJ, they can buy anything and borrow anything, but they are not allowed any "outside assistance" from any individuals. ie. they cannot have someone do anything on their bikes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 04, 2018, 04:26:54 pm
Are they (Malle Moto) not allowed to buy anything for their bikes, e.g. oil or any spare parts? If something breaks that you don't have in your box you are screwed - or do I have it wrong? Are they allowed to borrow tools?
I know they may have their tyres changed by the tyre trucks.
From Donovan van de Langenberg web site: "There is no help. From anyone.
No assistance, no professional support crew, no backup team, and no extras. It’s just you, your bike, your smarts, and one metal box with your essential spare gear. Race officials transport these boxes to each bivouac ahead of the rider so that they can then work on their bikes after they’ve completed each days racing stage. But that’s kind of it."

Basically what you see in the in the photo of Jurgen van Goorberg's picture, that is it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2018, 04:29:24 pm
The one thing that they are allowed is that the Michelin tyre changing service can do their tyre swaps. They have to walk over their wheels and tyres and they will change them for them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 04, 2018, 05:08:30 pm
The following is from the 2018 Bike - Quad Regulations.

22) Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)
This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. A driver accompanied by someone in-race, as assistance or Media will not be eligible to participate in this category.
It is reserved to the first 30 registrations to this category.

37P4 “ORIGINAL BY MOTUL” CHALLENGE (ex Malles Motos -BIKE TRUNKS)
Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.
A specific competition rule applies for competitors under this category; infraction will result in disqualification from this category.
1) Motul, major partner of the Dakar, wishes to support The Originals.
By sponsoring this category, Motul will make available for each of its registered drivers:
- 1 sleeping tent – 2 persons – 2 seconds,
- 1 environmental carpet,
- 1 travel bag 90L,
- 1 backpack 25L,
- 1 headlight,
- 1 cap,
- 1 hygiene kit (muscle gel, wipes, disinfecting gel, ear plugs, sleeping mask)
This material will be handed over to the competitors in Le Havre, before boarding of the European vehicles.
Besides, Motul will provide the pilots with products from the brand.
2) The Dakar Organization will provide 1 trunk per driver for storage of their items (mechanical and personal).
3) The Dakar Organization will take in charge the transport of 1 trunk and 2 wheels.
4) At the Bivouac, it is mandatory for the rider registered in « Original » category to set-up and make all/any service and repairs in its dedicated area.
5) Time Card management
At any arrival from the Road Section TC or Selective Section Finish TC (when there is no Road Section to get to the Bivouac), the Rider will give his Time Card to the Chief Marshal. The Marshal will give the Rider his Time Card back with his time of arrival written down. Then, the Rider will imperatively have to give his Time Card to « Original » responsible at
arriving in the dedicated area.
6) After having informed « Original » responsible, the Rider will be able to take his Machine out of the area to realise certain operations:
• With the Dakar Service Centre sponsors (tyres, oil, etc.),
• But also to weld, do repairs, clean and conduct tests with his Machine.
In case of litigation, the “Malles Motos” responsible will make a written statement to the Officials with
the time of absence and the reasons.
5) If it is proven that the type of intervention does not conform to this Article and/or that the spirit of « Original » category is not respected, the Rider will be excluded from this classification.
6) The trunk and 2 wheels must be handed over before the start of the Race:
• either in Le Havre on 23rd and 24th November 2017;
• or at « Original » truck, parked at the Assistance Park in Lima, from 3rd January 2018
01.00pm, and until 5th January at 12.00pm.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 04, 2018, 06:09:49 pm
Aah OK thanks that makes sense!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 04, 2018, 08:57:29 pm
I remember Brett Cummings loosing out to some Dutchie or Frenchie in the Malle Moto class because the latter allegedly received preferential treatment a couple of years ago.  Simple things like taking a shower at one of the team trucks and getting technical assistance where its not allowed but it apparently being covered up because of his connection via family or some shit.

I still believe Brett was, apart from Alfie, one of our toughest and most competitive  racers ever in the Motos. Who remembers Brett's WD name (something like Rally....), maybe he can chip in here with some more details.  .
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 04, 2018, 11:55:22 pm
I still believe Brett was, apart from Alfie, one of our toughest and most competitive  racers ever in the Motos. Who remembers Brett's WD name (something like Rally....), maybe he can chip in here with some more details.  .

Rallyerider 2


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 05:27:29 am
Lyndon final prep and Scrutineering in Le Havre, France. This vid is loaded with great tips. :deal:



Those shipping directly to South America will have to do their scrutineering in Lima. This adds to the pre-start stress I think, and those who have gone to Le Havre don't have much to worry about tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 05, 2018, 07:32:56 am
Get a beer and put an hour aside.

&t=2s
Loved it thanks

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 05, 2018, 07:50:39 am
The following is from the 2018 Bike - Quad Regulations.

22) Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)
This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. A driver accompanied by someone in-race, as assistance or Media will not be eligible to participate in this category.
It is reserved to the first 30 registrations to this category.

37P4 “ORIGINAL BY MOTUL” CHALLENGE (ex Malles Motos -BIKE TRUNKS)
Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.


How does Lyndon work around this media bit? Seeing that he has got a media crew going as well.... ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 05, 2018, 07:55:54 am
Suppose the exposure he gives race they turn a blind eye

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 05, 2018, 08:12:26 am
The following is from the 2018 Bike - Quad Regulations.

22) Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)
This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE. A driver accompanied by someone in-race, as assistance or Media will not be eligible to participate in this category.
It is reserved to the first 30 registrations to this category.

37P4 “ORIGINAL BY MOTUL” CHALLENGE (ex Malles Motos -BIKE TRUNKS)
Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.


How does Lyndon work around this media bit? Seeing that he has got a media crew going as well.... ???


Reserved for first 30 applicants
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 05, 2018, 08:21:28 am

Reserved for first 30 applicants

Yes, that is the total number of entrants allowed in the class. But only if you don't have other support as mentioned in the regulations.
I believe Lyndon is still racing in this class.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 05, 2018, 08:35:43 am
Laia Sanz

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 05, 2018, 08:58:19 am
Confirmed, Gonk is out... :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 05, 2018, 09:08:33 am
Confirmed, Gonk is out... :-\

Damn, what a shame.
I wonder if possible, which reserve rider is now hurriedly packing his kit....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 05, 2018, 09:14:18 am
Go go go
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ama ride ride on January 05, 2018, 09:38:54 am
18 hours difference between here and Peru. :laughing4:

Gotta plan ahead.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2018, 09:49:21 am
Confirmed, Gonk is out... :-\

Damn, what a shame.
I wonder if possible, which reserve rider is now hurriedly packing his kit....

Nacho Cornejo :sip:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 05, 2018, 10:10:23 am
Dammit, that sucks for Gonk
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 05, 2018, 12:21:45 pm

[/quote]

How does Lyndon work around this media bit? Seeing that he has got a media crew going as well.... ???
[/quote]

I'm speculating.......He will capture the day's activities with his GoPro's and transmit wireless to the media crew. They will edit and web-anize :spitcoffee: it and post where ever needed. :lamer: They will most probably not be allowed in the bivoac area.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2018, 12:37:39 pm
Lyndon's media vehicle has an official support vehicle number so will be part of the bivvy but I suspect there will be a stipulation as to how they collect or he hands over footage. Probably will be policed somehow to ensure he gets no support or something.

Today and tomorrow morning is going to be a helluva long wait...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 05, 2018, 01:33:13 pm
History of Dakar 1979 -1997




Excellent and educational video, Sir oldred.  Thanks for posting  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: David.H on January 05, 2018, 02:19:43 pm
DSTV coverage starts tonight @ 22.30 on channel 202 - a prologue
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: XTZFegen on January 05, 2018, 03:21:16 pm
What heck happend with Gonk? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on January 05, 2018, 03:22:10 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 03:26:19 pm

Reserved for first 30 applicants

Yes, that is the total number of entrants allowed in the class. But only if you don't have other support as mentioned in the regulations.
I believe Lyndon is still racing in this class.

Correct, in one of his videos he mentioned he had an exhaustive negotiation with the ASO about getting permission to have a media vehicle, I suppose under certain special conditions.
Theyre French, so anything is possible, but I would not put it past them to exclude him from the class after someone lodges a protest. ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 03:29:36 pm
18 hours difference between here and Peru. :laughing4:

Gotta plan ahead.

No just 7 hours. So when they start at 4-5 a.m. each morning it will be about lunchtime in RSA.

Don't forget in Bolivia it is 6 hours difference and 5 hours in Argentina. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 03:32:24 pm
What heck happened with Gonk? Anyone know?

I understand he crashed while training less than 2 weeks ago, and tore some ligaments. :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 03:39:08 pm
Donovan has just updated his thread with some registration photos from Lima .deal:

Check it out and support a South African in malle moto.  :deal: :hello2: :hello2:
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209016.new#new

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180105/21ebf4b5834e19e4ff2347c19a721604.jpg)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 03:45:03 pm
Okie dokie, here is a little quizz for ya's, espcially for the Liaia admirers.....  Who is this?  ;)

Flying 12,5 hours, roadbook draw training .
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26173332_554897114852725_7977515603880673834_o.jpg?oh=f05cfdd61c085b6f022efc054d6c527e&oe=5ABE7435)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 05, 2018, 03:48:29 pm
Laia Sanz?

Is that his name?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 05, 2018, 03:56:40 pm
Laia Sanz?

Is that his her name?
It is a she :deal:
Unbelievable what these top ladies do on a bike. :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2018, 03:57:56 pm
Okie dokie, here is a little quizz for ya's, espcially for the Liaia admirers.....  Who is this?  ;)

Flying 12,5 hours, roadbook draw training .
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26173332_554897114852725_7977515603880673834_o.jpg?oh=f05cfdd61c085b6f022efc054d6c527e&oe=5ABE7435)

Her Life partner?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 04:05:39 pm
Jurgen and Juan Carlos Salvatierra are running 450 EXC's...Respect. I never did think they could do the distance. Will be interesting to see if they can finish. Jurgen has oil cooler on his, byt Juan Carlos not. :scratch:

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26232481_1770894919596812_6096634397197631796_o.jpg?oh=9ca65c51dbe3e2bbbf85e26fa9dda0a2&oe=5AFDADD8)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26220731_1770895062930131_4237447868937069652_o.jpg?oh=bec6b123feaf7797eb7aa425dd1bb91b&oe=5AB2298A)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172322_1770895132930124_6369525553754605102_o.jpg?oh=d710556a7667a63a8765d9d4ba750b58&oe=5ABD2018)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26233145_1770894986263472_5875567507321002837_o.jpg?oh=221ab8b14f7044cbb5bfd5a4515af112&oe=5AC29215)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26172619_1770895259596778_2371781558430580821_o.jpg?oh=f3a5cfd77512f6a5df1e304b22e79cbb&oe=5AEB3EFE)

Ya probamos la moto con la que correré el @Dakar. La máquina vuela... y mucho. No aguanto las ganas de ponerla a prueba en la primera etapa. ¿Les gusta?


We already tested the bike with which I will run the @Dakar. The machine flies ... and a lot. I can not stand the desire to put it to the test in the first stage. They like?






Meanwhile in park ferme...... :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26173791_10156034731999721_1064359078866110081_o.jpg?oh=d2a88cf180f10ac30991f4f81fe30976&oe=5ABA09ED)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26233402_10156034731929721_9130690287887068013_o.jpg?oh=ede432adf768246f1c15c6921f0f0876&oe=5AB25CCF)

(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26232463_10156034731669721_1866349166205017350_o.jpg?oh=962cad70530ff5228dad30311cbe3208&oe=5ABC63EF)


Got to say I love pictures of bikes lined up like this. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Fudge on January 05, 2018, 04:07:19 pm
Okie dokie, here is a little quizz for ya's, espcially for the Liaia admirers.....  Who is this?  ;)

Flying 12,5 hours, roadbook draw training .
(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26173332_554897114852725_7977515603880673834_o.jpg?oh=f05cfdd61c085b6f022efc054d6c527e&oe=5ABE7435)

That be Mirjam Pol #50 - https://twitter.com/mirjampol?lang=en
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 05, 2018, 04:13:07 pm
Laia Sanz?

Is that his her name?
It is a she :deal:
Unbelievable what these top ladies do on a bike. :deal: :thumleft:

Whoopsa Daisy, my bad. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 05:07:26 pm


That be Mirjam Pol #50 - https://twitter.com/mirjampol?lang=en
[/quote]

Fudge gets the prize. :laughing7:


******************************************************************
Lyndon, even with all his prep battles to get everything done before scrutineering. Seems to be a problem with everyone except the elite racing teams.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2018, 05:18:11 pm
Seems after all that Lyndon got his racing suspension:

After a corrupt Lima customs service I was out of pocket by over $1000 USD in order to get my race Suspension in time for the race. I was basically bribed in order to have it on time, telling me the temporary import process takes up to a month and that the only way was the pay the duty on the value they decide. Both incompetence and unacceptable behavior and needs stopping DHL. At least I got it and after a long night it’s in the bike and ready for action. #perucustomssuck #DHLnothelpingtheircustomers #needstostop
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 05, 2018, 05:36:49 pm


That be Mirjam Pol #50 - https://twitter.com/mirjampol?lang=en

Fudge gets the prize. :laughing7:


******************************************************************
Lyndon, even with all his prep battles to get everything done before scrutineering. Seems to be a problem with everyone except the elite racing teams.

[/quote]I see he says in the video that he can't get his suspension, but later on Instagram seems like he got it and have it installed, after paying $1000 bribe for it to clear customs!

Kan nie verstaan hoekom hy dit nie lankal gekry het nie?
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 05, 2018, 05:38:26 pm
Sorry vir die double post, het nie gesien BB2007 het NY voorgespring nie!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 05, 2018, 06:38:34 pm
een meer slaapie  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2018, 06:59:07 am
What time does it start, the countdown clocks seem confused, 16:00 our time? :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2018, 09:05:22 am
What time does it start, the countdown clocks seem confused, 16:00 our time? :sip:

correction 15:00 ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2018, 09:44:28 am
7hours difference between Lima and SA I think.

Is there a rerun of last night's Dakar episode on Supersport? I missed it  >:(

edit - Also link for live tracking or viewing. Anyone have any yet?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2018, 10:08:59 am
7hours difference between Lima and SA I think.

Is there a rerun of last night's Dakar episode on Supersport? I missed it  >:(

edit - Also link for live tracking or viewing. Anyone have any yet?
could be daylight saving?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 06, 2018, 12:44:29 pm
http://www.trackingdakar.nl/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 06, 2018, 12:51:35 pm
Don't miss the action of the world's toughest race! Find here 👇 your local broadcaster to watch the #Dakar2018 🏁

Canada: Sportsnet and RDS
USA: NBC Sports
S.A and Caribbean: Fox Sports Latinoamerica
Colombia: Caracol Televisión
Peru: TV Perú
Bolivia: BOLIVIA TV EN LÍNEA
Brazil: FOX Sports Brasil
Chile: UCV TV
Argentina: Televisión Pública Argentina and ElDoce.tv
France: France Télévisions
Spain: RTVE and Esport3
Netherlands: RTL GP
Europe: Eurosport
Poland: TVP VOD
Czech Republic: Česká televize
Middle East & North Africa: الإخبارية beIN SPORTS
Sub Saharan Africa: SuperSport
Russia: Матч ТВ
Asia: FOX SPORTS Asia
China: 湖南卫视 芒果TV
Japan: スポーツ専門TV局 J SPORTS
Australia: SBS Australia
New Zealand: SKY Sport NZ
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 06, 2018, 12:55:29 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Grant650x on January 06, 2018, 01:01:37 pm
Can somebody gooi names numbers and make of bike or vehicle for any and all RSA entrants

Quick easy reference for following our guys

Possibly as a new thread for brief position updates each day
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 06, 2018, 03:14:08 pm
Live podium coverage on FB: facebook.com/dakar/videos/1687175078008459/

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2018, 03:44:26 pm
Donovan on the start podium just now. Excuse the poor quality screen shot. I just missed Gerry vd Byl #129. Next up Wessel Bosman #99 and then WdT #59
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2018, 04:02:49 pm
For those not always near a pc/laptop, there is a dakar tracking app. I'm going to give it a bash and see if it works.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.netcosports.anddakarworld
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2018, 04:15:56 pm
There we go WdT also crosses the podium. All our guys have now crossed the start and I suppose anxious for the business to begin  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 06, 2018, 04:20:13 pm
One more David Thomas #45. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180106/bf1804ece1686bcc14c889f1a2258d3c.jpg)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 06, 2018, 04:31:11 pm
This is how i have it
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bensien on January 06, 2018, 04:38:06 pm
I remember Brett Cummings loosing out to some Dutchie or Frenchie in the Malle Moto class because the latter allegedly received preferential treatment a couple of years ago.  Simple things like taking a shower at one of the team trucks and getting technical assistance where its not allowed but it apparently being covered up because of his connection via family or some shit.

I still believe Brett was, apart from Alfie, one of our toughest and most competitive  racers ever in the Motos. Who remembers Brett's WD name (something like Rally....), maybe he can chip in here with some more details.  .

I remember Brett telling us that his fork seals blew and he had no idea how to fix them. He went over to the KTM compound to ask for advice and the one of the mechanics took a fork, stripped it in front of him, showed him how to fix and reassemble it, and poured the exact amount of fork oil in two bottles to take with. All within the rules. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 06, 2018, 04:40:00 pm
Sub....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2018, 05:03:51 pm
Forgot David Thomas. Awesome.

Dakar app says 2h26 until start for the moto's.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Fudge on January 06, 2018, 05:30:31 pm
Gonk's replacement on the Honda, Ignacio "Nacho" Cornejo.

(https://scontent.fbne1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/p720x720/26220389_865221333602881_7837317923699058303_o.jpg?oh=c30081950fb9230a392f1c6790283af3&oe=5AB897FB)

Lyndon "On It"  :ricky:

(https://scontent-cdt1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26198598_10155402743974353_2822804918385218051_o.jpg?oh=6eed9b2f9e1e97130a84c5d0d183d67a&oe=5ABFCF3B)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 05:46:21 pm
Hmm, risking everything with a wheelie off the podium.....just heard a rider broke his arm on the liasson, a straight forward tar road, probably doing the same thing.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 05:47:22 pm
Bloody hell, Nacho is a tiny bugger! He is not going to be paddling anywhere.... ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 06, 2018, 05:54:22 pm
Stage 1 - shamelessly copied from Advrider
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 06:04:21 pm
Live feed here from the podium in case it was not posted already.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2018, 06:06:35 pm
Where do you guys get the pics?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 06:35:52 pm
Where do you guys get the pics?


Everywhere.... Screenshots from live feeds, youtube, about 50 different websites, whatsapps groups. etc.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 06, 2018, 06:38:25 pm
Do they start the special in reverse order...ie Sam Sunderland will start last?

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 06:57:07 pm
Ettienne -Correct.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 07:12:21 pm
Willem du Toit on the podium

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-rkRs6fb/0/1ef381bf/L/IMG-20180106-WA0006%20-%20Copy-L.jpg)

Gerry van der Byl at the start
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-ZfcXtZz/0/4d759c83/L/IMG-20180106-WA0014-L.jpg)

Somewhere on the first liasson
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-dH5s7Pc/0/73b39d17/L/IMG-20180106-WA0019-L.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-6dJG9Fq/0/9e58f6fd/L/IMG-20180106-WA0021-L.jpg)


And a video
https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-PZKjsrZ/0/63853887/640/VID-20180106-WA0017-640.mp4
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bensien on January 06, 2018, 07:22:00 pm
I have even more than usual interest in this year’s race. Besides team Gazoo for which I have been working on the logistics side for the last three years, I also assisted in getting Wessel Bosman’s bike and kit to Peru
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 07:25:28 pm
Live stream on FB from the DSS.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=10155779644545659
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 07:26:27 pm
Qwats are belting past.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 07:30:27 pm
Here is a cool one. Saw WDT walking past!

https://www.facebook.com/CrisGuldman/videos/1728477280548906/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 07:53:50 pm
Lyndon pre speciall vido clip.
https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/1178581975609180/

#104 Jürgen Drössinger's crash, he rear ended a Hyundai 42km outside Lima :( Now in hospital. 
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS39OWsXkAEOAFt.jpg:large)



Mirjam Pol at the start.

https://twitter.com/mirjampol/status/949655820932960256

Was it just me or was that Dakar official a little too close for comfort. #Metoo ....  :imaposer:  >:D  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Draad on January 06, 2018, 08:37:17 pm
Sub  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 06, 2018, 08:42:32 pm
Donovan is in  :thumleft:

Stage 1 done and dusted
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 06, 2018, 08:55:19 pm
David Thomas is sitting at no 10 out of the first (last) 100 that has come through! Does everyone have the Dakar 2018 app? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180106/4df66b3ffd4bb29b12d2f40508c3ba95.jpg)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: weskus on January 06, 2018, 09:16:53 pm
Any news if Wdt came in?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 06, 2018, 09:22:09 pm
Any news if Wdt came in?
He's in, currently at no 85. All the South Africans are in!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sailorman on January 06, 2018, 10:40:14 pm
Looks like Dave Thomas in 29th position for the day 4min59 behind. Go for the win! Rooting for you
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 11:07:31 pm
David Thomas did well, showing up 28th, 4 minutes off the leader Sam Sunderland
WDT came in 78th down quite a bit. In his latest vid, he menioned he lost a Wp but went back for it and took it easy. Also mentioned that it was very hard to see the dune crests.
Donovan came in 90th, Im guessing he had a similar story, because he is fast.
Wessel Bosman came in 122th, and Gerry vd Byl came in 135th nearly 55 minutes off the pace. I am guessing he has a story to tell.

Those white dunes of Pisco are really very fine and quite tricky to ride in because the sand is of inconsistent thicknesses.


Here is a FOx video from the DSS, and at 1hr16m you will see the accident of Joaquin Rodrigues #26 He was unconscious and has since woken up in hospital.


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2018, 11:08:59 pm
Walkner was also nearly taken out by the traffic:

First stage done. I'm glad it finally started. Right at the beginning of the liaison I got quite startled. here in Peru traffic has it's own laws - or none. It is incredibly chaotic. I was very lucky. On the highway a parked car suddenly merged into traffic and a truck had to swerve. Suddenly I was between the truck and the guardrail! I grazed the guardrail with my knee and the truck with my elbow. Just made it. At least at that point I was wide awake. The special was 30k, pretty fast, on sand. I didn't want to take too much of a risk cause the dunes sometimes have extreme edges. altogether I had a good day and had a good start in the rally.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 07, 2018, 12:16:54 am
18 hours difference between here and Peru. :laughing4:

Gotta plan ahead.

It is a long wait for you. :)

Sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 12:37:47 am
Dutch malle moto competitor Jurgen van den Goorberg. Won malle moto last year. Is back again this year on his 450 - EXC. :thumleft.

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/949747234752684032/pu/vid/1280x720/iRiG4ZJKLXKoBIsL.mp4
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 12:55:54 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 01:35:15 am
Pablo Quintanilla fb

And we got to pisco! Today was a very short special, between a sea of dunes with very little visibility, but a very good day to start, VOTESAND 3th in the general. Now, preparing for tomorrow's stage, there's a special fort coming into the desert.
Let's go with everything this just started

#dakar2018 @dakarrally @rockstarenergy @husqvarna1903 @just1racing @clinicalascondes #TRANSPORTESARTISA
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-TmSVGF6/0/cdb271fd/XL/26730636_1627314260681407_4024903104787190151_n-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 01:36:02 am
Dakar Rally 2018: Biker Gerard Farrés ´This will be my last Dakar on a bike´

The charismatic rider Gerard Farrés announces that this 2018 edition will be his last on two wheels, during an emotional event surrounded by his Dakar family. Supported by the full Himoinsa Team, he is eager to put up a good fight in his last participation aboard his KTM. The Manlleu native opens the door to a possible future in the buggy category.

In an emotional act, Farrés, one of the race’s main characters in recent years, has commented about his performance in "the race of a lifetime" and explained the reasons behind his decision: "I have been enjoying and fighting in this race for many years. As I always say, for me it has been more of a lifestyle rather than a race. I have suffered and enjoyed, and the third place we achieved last year was a dream come true, a real reward for my entire professional career. I could not ask for more. I think the end of a cycle has arrived and I have made the decision to stop and enjoy looking back at my success."

(http://marathon-rallye.com/news-de/assets/uploads/file-73.jpg)

Farrés thanked all his teammates and rivals for their affection, and announced his intentions for this 40th edition which is about to begin: "I am very eager to have a great Dakar this year and put a finishing touch to this stage of my professional career and my life. This race has given me everything and I will give it all I’ve got to say goodbye in style. We have prepared very well and we are confident in being able to ride a great Rally. That’s how I want to leave, being competitive and riding well. The whole team is very strong and we have come to put up a fight."

As for his future, he says he wants to remain linked to Dakar and is looking to take some time to think and decide. "At the moment I just want to focus on each stage and fight every day from the start of the rally. Then I’ll rest and consider the future, but I am certain that I do not want to leave this wonderful family, so I’ll look for ways to continue, maybe on a buggy, but I really want to think it through calmly. I really want to continue experiencing new sensations in this race."
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 04:41:32 am
The same place we JRod crashed out.

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26229951_854127964758027_3742550171211989804_n.jpg?oh=a46042a003e418566ee2fab3a6c3e2b9&oe=5AB8DFCD)

Here is another video of it. :eek:
https://www.facebook.com/claudio.munoz.7161/videos/1688730924517343/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:06:28 am
#129 Gerry vd Byl from South Africa had this to say from FB:

finished stage 1!!

Riding over the podium this morning was an amazing experience! I don’t know how to explain it! Then riding through Lima with people lining the streets, cheering us on, was quite unreal!

We did a 241 km liaison to get to Pisco. Was really enjoyable, even at 90km/hr! People lining the road all over, waving, smiling, cheering! Then we arrived in the desert! Wow it’s super super hot here! I arrived early, and had to sit in the sun for about 45 minutes!

While waiting, I heard my team mate Jürgen Drößiger crashed into a car during the liaison, and broke his wrist. So he’s out of the Dakar! Just horrible news just before the start.

But then I started the special, and it was off-track dunes for 31km. Not very far, but in the middle of the day, so can’t see the crests of the dunes. Very difficult, but it seems all the training seems to have been worth it!

I got a bit lost, and missed one waypoint, so will be getting a 20 minute penalty. That means I’ll probably start last tomorrow, but I don’t care too much about that! What’s important, is that I made it through day 1, and I feel fantastic!

As it turned out he actually got a 2hr penalty which puts him at the back of the field ! ANyway not to worry - There hopefully will not be too much dust in the dunes so he can pass a lot of people totmorrow and anyway he is on the best outride on the planet. What a blast. Gooo Gerry!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:19:32 am
Some pics from #59 Willem du Toit
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-dpB6h5S/0/8a044505/XL/IMG-20180106-WA0032-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-QZ2JNHQ/0/cafdad2b/XL/IMG-20180106-WA0033-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-gMmRN28/0/2b922366/XL/IMG-20180106-WA0034-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2018, 06:36:36 am
Itsounds like lots of people got penalties though BB?  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:45:32 am
Welsh, yip, over 40 riders missed WP's today, and were peanlised between 10-20 minutes. About half of them got 2 hours for missing a critical WPE.  :lol8:

From twitter:
TheRealGeniel
Service being done!#dakar2018 #teamhilux
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS5HUUwV4AAeE38.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 07, 2018, 06:53:35 am
Last night's DSTV Episode - they didn't have much to say!

https://youtu.be/57HhxGQAh9g

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: XTZFegen on January 07, 2018, 07:44:12 am
Did anyone see Rodriguez crash over the dunes? I reckon that is a broken back.  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KiLRoy on January 07, 2018, 07:45:06 am
What motors are in the Gazoo toyotas?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 07:45:21 am
Laia Sanz
‏ @LaiaSanz_
6h6 hours ago

🤗 Hola desde Pisco!! Muy contenta, aunque esto empieza mañana!!

Hi from Pisco!! I'm very happy, but the real @dakar starts tomorrow!!




***********************************
Found this video on Toby and the KTM team - it gives great insight into what the Guys are thinking about going into todays stage, and how hard it is to be at the top of this game.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2018, 08:04:54 am
What motors are in the Gazoo toyotas?

Mid engined, normally aspirated Lexus V8 I believe.  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Andy660 on January 07, 2018, 08:08:40 am
https://www.speedcafe.com/2018/01/07/video-dakar-rally-stage-1-highlights/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2018, 08:11:47 am
Did anyone see Rodriguez crash over the dunes? I reckon that is a broken back.  :-\
Ma se hare.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KiLRoy on January 07, 2018, 08:14:16 am
What motors are in the Gazoo toyotas?

Mid engined, normally aspirated Lexus V8 I believe.  8)

Strange - battle between smaller turbos and bigger normally aspirated engines?

Turbos always win in dunes and at altitude?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Andy660 on January 07, 2018, 08:17:27 am
Did anyone see Rodriguez crash over the dunes? I reckon that is a broken back.  :-\
Ma se hare.....
Damaged the 5th vertibra in his back

https://m.facebook.com/hashtag/dakar2018?refid=52&__tn__=%2As-R
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2018, 08:18:11 am
What motors are in the Gazoo toyotas?

Mid engined, normally aspirated Lexus V8 I believe.  8)

Strange - battle between smaller turbos and bigger normally aspirated engines?

Turbos always win in dunes and at altitude?

All sorts of restrictions (restrictors) in the rules, to balance the advantages / disadvantages between 2WD, 4WD, Turbos etc etc... O0
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 07, 2018, 09:14:34 am
Where's Lyndon's youtube section? Not out yet?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ama ride ride on January 07, 2018, 09:39:40 am
18 hours difference between here and Peru. :laughing4:

Gotta plan ahead.

No just 7 hours. So when they start at 4-5 a.m. each morning it will be about lunchtime in RSA.

Uhmmm I aint in RSA any more.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bensien on January 07, 2018, 10:11:09 am
What motors are in the Gazoo toyotas?

Lexus 2UR-GSE 5Litre V8
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:30:23 am
Where's Lyndon's youtube section? Not out yet?

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2018, 11:58:06 am
I wish..... :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
http://rally.dragondistribution.fr/order-form-en.pdf
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 12:14:22 pm
 :laughing4:  Me too  :eek7: :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2018, 04:10:04 pm
Hoe gaan ek werk die volgende 2 weke? :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:20:56 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:22:31 pm
Fr4 - Better than Eurosport or Foxsports. :deal:

Sable = Sand :laughing7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 06:47:15 pm
In the latter part of this program MArc Coma explains SS2, which is basically going to be a huge, tough dune crossing; but there will be a chicken run parallel to this route for the less experienced riders to take with a 2 hour penalty.

Go to the videos settings, turn on subtitles and autotranslate if you dare ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 07, 2018, 07:02:32 pm
Donovan and Willem going nicely, through WP2.

Gerry & Wessel missing between WP1 and 2 (at the moment that is...)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 07:14:06 pm
I'm not chair racing this year, so maybe duplication. But I'll try anyway - here is video of Rodriguez'es unfortunate jump:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 07:24:12 pm
  Would be good to have a few more contributors otherwise what is going to happen when I have to work? ;D



From the Dakar app:

07:37 Al-Rajhi hit Garafulic
We have found out what happened to Yazeed Al-Rajhi. The Saudi driver hit Boris Garafulic's Mini. Now, the two crews are waiting for assistance to repair their vehicles and waving goodbye to their overall prospects in this year's Dakar.


from the desert:
https://www.facebook.com/Dakarcolombiain/videos/1810437138975295/

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2018, 07:29:29 pm
Apart from Nassar I kinda dislike the average sand guys from the middle east, especially the filthy rich ones
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 07, 2018, 07:31:24 pm
Momentum was not his friend Xpat
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 07:40:02 pm
Would you believe it.....KTM is leading the bikes after Day 1  :pot:

I read Sam Sunderland is a Brit who lives in UAE to train in the dunes there.  Is this true?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 07:47:22 pm
Would you believe it.....KTM is leading the bikes after Day 1  :pot:

I read Sam Sunderland is a Brit who lives in UAE to train in the dunes there.  Is this true?

BO, you need to get a bit up to speed. Day 1 was yesterday and we already have top guys in the ASS (french for end of stage) in Day 2. So right now the top overal guy is Honda (Bareda Bort) and second Yamaha (Van Beveren). Watch here: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/)

And yes, Sunderland lives and trains in UAE. If you want insides on him Advrider F5 is place to be - his father is participating there (don't remember his acronym there now - I'm sure BB can say what it is).

So far I'm quite surprised how conservative Toby Price rides - I would expect him up front kicking Bam Bam's ass. Maybe the injury last year did play trick on his mind, or maybe he is just bidding his time.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 07, 2018, 07:50:28 pm
Correct he races in dubai
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 07, 2018, 07:52:11 pm
No need to kick bam bam ass....he will do it himself :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 07:53:41 pm
(https://scontent.fbne1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26195663_1810309792321363_6596154929296243691_n.jpg?oh=8c3367f76715ea67ea75013ac0e0b2a7&oe=5AEBB0B1)

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1690906014302032/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 07:54:05 pm
No need to kick bam bam ass....he will do it himself :)

True that. He self destructs very reliably...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 07, 2018, 07:56:46 pm
Has anyone have a link to a daily tracking website, the one on the official Dakar website seems to be down.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 07:59:33 pm
Relax, I am behind.  And thanks for pointing that out. :thumleft:  You're a gem.  :biggrin: I have not found any programming for the race as of yet.  Doing my best to follow along via FB.

I would expect Toby to ride conservative in the beginning considering the thigh injury, it's a long race.

No matter if Honda or Yamaha is leading after day 2, it's a turtle race.  Go KTM  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 08:00:17 pm
Has anyone have a link to a daily tracking website, the one on the official Dakar website seems to be down.

I just posted it in my above post, but here it is again: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/)

It is more user friendly and with richer functionality than official one. That said. if tracking is down on official site, it is usually down even on this one and they use the same data feed - at least that is how it used to be in prior years.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 08:02:55 pm
Relax, I am behind.  And thanks for pointing that out. :thumleft:  You're a gem.  :biggrin: I have not found any programming for the race as of yet.  Doing my best to follow along via FB.

I would expect Toby to ride conservative in the beginning considering the thigh injury, it's a long race.

No matter if Honda or Yamaha is leading after day 2, it's a turtle race.  Go KTM  8)

THe best way to follow is advrider firehose thread (but forget about any work for next 2 weeks if you get hooked in): http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2018-dakar-rally-coverage-a-k-a-firehose-thread.1274635/page-48 (http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/2018-dakar-rally-coverage-a-k-a-firehose-thread.1274635/page-48).

Toby used to attack from day 1 and get podium finishes if my memory serves me, so I'm guessing he is just tentative because of the injury. Also not sure what the pecking order in KTM is given that Sunderland won last year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 07, 2018, 08:03:45 pm
Has anyone have a link to a daily tracking website, the one on the official Dakar website seems to be down.

I just posted it in my above post, but here it is again: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/waypoints/)

It is more user friendly and with richer functionality than official one. That said. if tracking is down on official site, it is usually down even on this one and they use the same data feed - at least that is how it used to be in prior years.

Thanks man, will go have a look see
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 08:05:25 pm
Correct he races in dubai

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 08:14:35 pm
Tracking seems to be frozen so one follow up - Sunderland's father on advrider goes by member name 'too old'.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 08:17:03 pm
Michnus is on station (can he still be mentioned on this site  :peepwall: :pot:) - here are his pictures from Lima bivvy: https://www.facebook.com/michnus/posts/10155358862668240 (https://www.facebook.com/michnus/posts/10155358862668240)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 08:21:56 pm
Tracking seems to be frozen so one follow up - Sunderland's father on advrider goes by member name 'too old'.

I spend as little time on advrider as possible  :lol8:

Thanks for the link.  I can't find any South Africans leading Americans in any class where both countries are represented.   :pot:  That's all I care about  :peepwall: :imaposer: :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2018, 08:25:08 pm
Tracking seems to be frozen so one follow up - Sunderland's father on advrider goes by member name 'too old'.

I spend as little time on advrider as possible  :lol8:

Thanks for the link.  I can't find any South Africans leading Americans in any class where both countries are represented.   :pot:  That's all I care about  :peepwall: :imaposer: :pot: :pot:

1   308   
 CYRIL DESPRES
 DAVID CASTERA
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 21' 18''      
2   300   
 STEPHANE PETERHANSEL
 JEAN PAUL COTTRET
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 21' 45''   + 00H 00' 27''   
3   304   
 GINIEL DE VILLIERS
 DIRK VON ZITZEWITZ
TOYOTA GAZOO RACING SA   03H 27' 02''   + 00H 05' 44''   
4   306      
 SEBASTIEN LOEB
 DANIEL ELENA
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 27' 27''   + 00H 06' 09''   
5   301   
 NASSER AL-ATTIYAH
 MATTHIEU BAUMEL
TOYOTA GAZOO RACING SA   03H 33' 33''   + 00H 12' 15''   
6   307   
 ORLANDO TERRANOVA
 BERNARDO GRAUE
X-RAID TEAM   03H 34' 08''   + 00H 12' 50''
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 07, 2018, 08:31:03 pm
Tracking seems to be frozen so one follow up - Sunderland's father on advrider goes by member name 'too old'.

I spend as little time on advrider as possible  :lol8:

Thanks for the link.  I can't find any South Africans leading Americans in any class where both countries are represented.   :pot:  That's all I care about  :peepwall: :imaposer: :pot: :pot:

1   308   
 CYRIL DESPRES
 DAVID CASTERA
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 21' 18''      
2   300   
 STEPHANE PETERHANSEL
 JEAN PAUL COTTRET
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 21' 45''   + 00H 00' 27''   
3   304   
 GINIEL DE VILLIERS
 DIRK VON ZITZEWITZ
TOYOTA GAZOO RACING SA   03H 27' 02''   + 00H 05' 44''   
4   306      
 SEBASTIEN LOEB
 DANIEL ELENA
TEAM PEUGEOT TOTAL   03H 27' 27''   + 00H 06' 09''   
5   301   
 NASSER AL-ATTIYAH
 MATTHIEU BAUMEL
TOYOTA GAZOO RACING SA   03H 33' 33''   + 00H 12' 15''   
6   307   
 ORLANDO TERRANOVA
 BERNARDO GRAUE
X-RAID TEAM   03H 34' 08''   + 00H 12' 50''

Bikes
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 09:12:40 pm
It's early days, but I have to say KTM isn't looking particularly strong so far. Bam Bam has almost 4 and a half minute on third Walkner and over 6 minutes on Sunderland currently at 7th position. And two other Hondas covering his ass between Walkner and Sunderland. BB will be opening tomorrow so if he plays smart he can take it easy, wait for Walkner, sit on his tail and still be in the lead (and of course next day again chase up to the Austrian - provided Walkner wins) getting 2 minutes back. But then Walkner is not exactly an iluminati in things navigation, so BB will have to keep his wits about. Luckily for KTM, BB will probably do the only thing he knows - push hard - and self-destruct in the process.

It looks like this will be long day for Wessel Bosman (I knew he is the Afri Ski guy, but was stil surprised he rides for Lesotho - thought he was RSA guy). The snowball starts building up - hopefully he will be able to deal with it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 09:18:34 pm
My half compatriot Svitko doing Rodriguez impression - luckily not a good one, so still in the game:

(https://i.imgur.com/75gkvgs.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 09:21:02 pm
http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/bikes/live/?country=ZAF,SRB

David is in! But has fallen back quite a bit.
Donny and Willem at WP5, looking steady.
Gerry still at WP3  :-\

I think Barreda is going to win this year......  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 09:25:16 pm
Sorry I'm not up to date. Why did the bikes start behind cars today? So that fast bikers have to deal with car backmarkers like this:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 09:36:05 pm
Donovan and Willem are in!  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 09:37:04 pm
Sorry I'm not up to date. Why did the bikes start behind cars today? So that fast bikers have to deal with car backmarkers like this:

MArc Coma wanted to mix things up a bit. Remember he knows how the front runners run: Stay in the tracks of the guy opening the course and you are guaranteed to do well.


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2018, 09:38:41 pm
Donovan and Willem are in!  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

:hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Think they were riding together today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2018, 09:42:31 pm
 :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 09:51:44 pm
Sorry I'm not up to date. Why did the bikes start behind cars today? So that fast bikers have to deal with car backmarkers like this:

MArc Coma wanted to mix things up a bit. Remember he knows how the front runners run: Stay in the tracks of the guy opening the course and you are guaranteed to do well.

So now they all just follow car tracks? OR are the routes slightly different for cars and bikes to catch bikers up? Not sure how that makes it better. Is this going to be the case for the rest of the race? So the bikes will eat car dust for next 8k km?

THe only benefit I see is that it is less risky for the slower bikes as they are not going to be overtaken by the fast cars. Of course only until they get caught by trucks - then its a whole different ball game.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 09:53:19 pm
Gerry just got to WP4.
Keep the wheels rolling, pasopalasnowball.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2018, 10:08:49 pm
The best up to date feed on the Dakar! Thanks guys

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 10:15:27 pm
Sorry I'm not up to date. Why did the bikes start behind cars today? So that fast bikers have to deal with car backmarkers like this:

MArc Coma wanted to mix things up a bit. Remember he knows how the front runners run: Stay in the tracks of the guy opening the course and you are guaranteed to do well.

So now they all just follow car tracks? OR are the routes slightly different for cars and bikes to catch bikers up? Not sure how that makes it better. Is this going to be the case for the rest of the race? So the bikes will eat car dust for next 8k km?

THe only benefit I see is that it is less risky for the slower bikes as they are not going to be overtaken by the fast cars. Of course only until they get caught by trucks - then its a whole different ball game.

HEre is gif of VBV overtaking car - doesn't seem particularly safe (but OK, he may have waited for better place):


(https://i.imgur.com/4Gic7xh.gif)

https://i.imgur.com/4Gic7xh.gif (https://i.imgur.com/4Gic7xh.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:16:58 pm
Gerry@WP5   ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 07, 2018, 10:20:12 pm
This is how Dakar racers ride sand - at least the ones from India!

(https://i.imgur.com/vrUfF0r.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 07, 2018, 10:23:45 pm
This is how Dakar racers ride sand - at least the ones from India!

(https://i.imgur.com/vrUfF0r.gif)
LOL!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:27:15 pm
From ADV:

07:02 Menzies crashes!
First shock of the day as Bryce Menzies crashes his Mini just 6 kilometres into today's special! The American, who was sitting in fourth place overall, emerged unscathed. His car, on the other hand

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS79JpCX4AA-Bxh.jpg)

Eish!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:38:12 pm
Also from ADV:

"Just saw a video where Menzies states his navigator told him it was a !!! warning, but he ignored it thinking it was just a little kicker. Way to take yourself out of the rally by disregarding the RoadBook and your Navigator. The RB is there for a reason....oh well I guess he learned the hard way."


The driver must be feeling a bit sheepish.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:41:58 pm
(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/upload_2018-1-7_14-16-55-png.1072878/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 10:43:25 pm
TP twitter
Happy to move up into the Top 10 after our first legit day of navigation from Pisco > Pisco! We got through Stage 2 reasonably well considering how challenging the soft dunes were, overall I'm feeling fit and healthy after a good day!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS9jHptU8AARhc8.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 07, 2018, 10:46:58 pm
From ADV:

07:02 Menzies crashes!
First shock of the day as Bryce Menzies crashes his Mini just 6 kilometres into today's special! The American, who was sitting in fourth place overall, emerged unscathed. His car, on the other hand

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS79JpCX4AA-Bxh.jpg)

Eish!

It seems his co-driver broke his ankle in the crash
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 11:14:22 pm
C'mon, Gerry  :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2018, 11:28:13 pm
Gerry, jou yster. He's in  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 12:24:15 am
Overall standings  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 12:43:18 am
Wessel past WP5 for a long while now, but still no ASS.  Come on man, bring it home!

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 01:58:37 am
Wessel in ASS  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 04:24:52 am
You definitely do NOT want to end up in the same situation as Roberto Recalde

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/950106466933006344

:eek:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 08, 2018, 05:34:10 am
You definitely do NOT want to end up in the same situation as Roberto Recalde

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/950106466933006344

:eek:

Damn that is bad... wonder why they didn't fix the tow rope to the rear of the vehicle.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 05:35:43 am
Quickly pull the front end around for me......eish
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 06:37:03 am
Menzies crash video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638227072887779&id=148066615237173


Juan Carlos Savatierra
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS-RJVVVAAAaVQF.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 06:46:13 am
Just shows how quick it can go wrong......... that was just a little ass kicker..
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 06:48:58 am
Life in the bivouac, a must see for the rally diehard.
Includes a full briefing.
https://www.facebook.com/chilodakar/videos/1607514062662846/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 07:19:36 am
(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Bill+Conger+2018+Dakar+Rally+Day+Two+bPMl72KKMO5x.jpg)


Donny in this video!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2018, 07:38:31 am
No need to kick bam bam ass....he will do it himself :)

True that. He self destructs very reliably...

Little bit disingenuous as he has matured a lot and would probably have won last year if not for the team fuelgate error.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 08, 2018, 07:39:43 am
I don't remember what happened last year with regards to the fuelgate
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 07:59:13 am
I don't remember what happened last year with regards to the fuelgate

They refuelled illegally in a nuetralisation - the impact being they could run lighter bikes. Whole team got an hour penalty, which should actually have been a DQ.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 07:59:53 am
This is the next best thing to Fr4 - Eurosport I am told is awful, as is Foxsports.

https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1TQGGW2N11W11/dakar-daily-day-2
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 08:02:51 am
Bit of Donovan cleaning his bike in here too
https://www.facebook.com/groups/294582433904033/permalink/1900191670009760/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 08:16:59 am


Some nice video of the cars & Trucks racing here SS1 & SS2
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 08:22:53 am
Some from Dakar.com on the trucks





Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 08, 2018, 08:35:41 am
Thanks for posts BB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2018, 08:53:08 am
Menzies crash video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638227072887779&id=148066615237173


Twice in two days he didn't heed his navigators instructions. The first time lost them time and second time it cost them the race and broke his navigators ankle.

I can't find it now but I read his comments on both occasions. I'm paraphrasing now, but he said of the second crash that his navigator told him to slow down as the kicker was in the road book as a caution, he thought better of it and kept his foot in.

I wonder what the repercussions of this will be?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 08, 2018, 09:24:33 am
Thanks Neil and others for the information sharing.

I must say I'm enjoying this type of start to Dakar much more than the usual Argentinian WRC style flat out racing at the beginning. You can see things got tough very quickly and many guys are battling. The pace of those Peugeots scares me because they are fast in the dunes and no doubt they will be very fast at altitude and in the faster stuff later on.

And as much as I'm a KTM fan, I'm thrilled to see the strong showing from Honda and Yamaha so far. This can only make for a cracker of a Dakar. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 09:50:12 am
Menzies crash video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638227072887779&id=148066615237173


Twice in two days he didn't heed his navigators instructions. The first time lost them time and second time it cost them the race and broke his navigators ankle.

I can't find it now but I read his comments on both occasions. I'm paraphrasing now, but he said of the second crash that his navigator told him to slow down as the kicker was in the road book as a caution, he thought better of it and kept his foot in.

I wonder what the repercussions of this will be?

No future ride if it was me as team manager
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Judge Dredd on January 08, 2018, 10:06:37 am
Thanks for posting BB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 08, 2018, 10:20:32 am
#68 JOSE IGNACIO CORNEJO
(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26198191_1690129397713027_3608347407388291693_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEWMmQRQSiBz6aJ9oSfwVeobRfeeR-epqqVEXtoNMe9_Iv93JJmn94IzkW8lZb3HE6uDwAZVbDqclhqXKP9U7SFdiCg2YCKORVLCpRaqy2raA&oh=cbd0318db7d2c6378b0e3a2ebf6e5eac&oe=5AB38C51)

Toby flying high.
(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26685171_1690128561046444_1372280917010756852_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEKMtV35Aew5cHdcGC808t5Ih_su1iy-LEo2_HJGzWPNCoIstRADC64kF5BSTzXSRxYjgjZ-0Pi2j8aFYxM-MRRecJDQr91KE0bgEStnjhLgg&oh=96393f7f95bff05855e7291474eef4d6&oe=5ABA6724)

Nasser on point!
(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26231943_1690152221044078_286774009300042169_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeEc1dZAacz_4cjMNx_qQdmJtioCuRTT1O3YW1RH2LetZwhW2Rqzh5wZMUiuJlVLeBSPvgSEZ0999RGmsfVQOz0G4k_VrkASIykWqtHVVG80SA&oh=360c6a0e3abf37680739741d8891ab88&oe=5AEECA6C)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 10:49:41 am
In the absence of Joey Evans, I was a bit lost in which backmarker to root for - as quite frankly it is the backmarkers that make following this naibittingly exciting.

Not that I wouldn't slow clap anybody struggling the snowball, but I will keep my eye  this year especially on Wessel, and the chick in this video - at the end of the day she is Czech as I am:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2018, 11:07:58 am
Man those dunes are insane!! And that's on TV. I can only imagine how massive they must feel when riding them

Still early days of course so the standings at this point don't mean much. I am rooting for Ricky Brabec but he probably can't go flat out even if he wanted to. Pecking order and all that
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2018, 11:12:13 am
Very frustrating - our Telkom lines were stolen again last week for the umteenth time so no internet at home and still on leave. 👺👹 Generally takes about 6-8 weeks for them to reinstate. Worst timing. So only 3G 😡
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 08, 2018, 11:16:34 am
Very late entry to DAKAR 2018 on my part, All the very best and safe ride to our SA guys.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: charliepappa on January 08, 2018, 11:40:17 am
BLOODY MARVELOUS!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 08, 2018, 11:40:58 am
Life in the bivouac, a must see for the rally diehard.
Includes a full briefing.
https://www.facebook.com/chilodakar/videos/1607514062662846/

Is it just me or a setting but I cant open this
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 08, 2018, 11:42:06 am
Menzies crash video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638227072887779&id=148066615237173


Twice in two days he didn't heed his navigators instructions. The first time lost them time and second time it cost them the race and broke his navigators ankle.

I can't find it now but I read his comments on both occasions. I'm paraphrasing now, but he said of the second crash that his navigator told him to slow down as the kicker was in the road book as a caution, he thought better of it and kept his foot in.

I wonder what the repercussions of this will be?

No future ride if it was me as team manager

 :thumleft:  If he doesn't want to be a team player, find a driver who will. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2018, 11:51:03 am
Menzies crash video.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1638227072887779&id=148066615237173


Twice in two days he didn't heed his navigators instructions. The first time lost them time and second time it cost them the race and broke his navigators ankle.

I can't find it now but I read his comments on both occasions. I'm paraphrasing now, but he said of the second crash that his navigator told him to slow down as the kicker was in the road book as a caution, he thought better of it and kept his foot in.

I wonder what the repercussions of this will be?

No future ride if it was me as team manager

 :thumleft:  If he doesn't want to be a team player, find a driver who will.
Guess that's why we do not see Robbie Gordon anymore. He wanted to do only what he wants to. Hothead.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 11:53:12 am
As far as I remember, Robbie was his own boss (his own team and car) so he could do whatever he wanted - within the fluidity of the French rules of course  8)

This guy seems to be part of the official Mini team, right? So I think the comparison doesn't hold.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2018, 11:57:59 am
As far as I remember, Robbie was his own boss (his own team and car) so he could do whatever he wanted - within the fluidity of the French rules of course  8)

This guy seems to be part of the official Mini team, right? So I think the comparison doesn't hold.
Your right he was his own boss, but must have had sponsors.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 12:02:55 pm
As far as I remember, Robbie was his own boss (his own team and car) so he could do whatever he wanted - within the fluidity of the French rules of course  8)

This guy seems to be part of the official Mini team, right? So I think the comparison doesn't hold.
Your right he was his own boss, but must have had sponsors.

Probably - Toyo tyres, right? And I think they got more than enough exposure, which is what they want.

That said, my understanding is that Robbie is properly loaded moneywise and also has his own Indy car racing team. So I think he could have walked it alone if he wanted. I didn't follow cars closely and I know he had some antics, but I also think that ASO was really after him as they didn't like the prospect of an independedn shovelling it up major mfgs backside. Didn't they once penalize him for something that inflated his tyres on the fly or some such nonsense?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2018, 12:09:11 pm
As far as I remember, Robbie was his own boss (his own team and car) so he could do whatever he wanted - within the fluidity of the French rules of course  8)

This guy seems to be part of the official Mini team, right? So I think the comparison doesn't hold.
Your right he was his own boss, but must have had sponsors.

Probably - Toyo tyres, right? And I think they got more than enough exposure, which is what they want.

That said, my understanding is that Robbie is properly loaded moneywise and also has his own Indy car racing team. So I think he could have walked it alone if he wanted. I didn't follow cars closely and I know he had some antics, but I also think that ASO was really after him as they didn't like the prospect of an independedn shovelling it up major mfgs backside. Didn't they once penalize him for something that inflated his tyres on the fly or some such nonsense?
I think he had the skills to win the Dakar except for one thing. His temperament/hotheadedness.
The Dakar is not won by balls to the wall racing. The day Barreda realizes that he will win the Dakar. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 12:47:27 pm
Kinda crazy what the americans can put those "trucks" through

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2018, 12:53:37 pm
Saw a doccie where Menzies jumped a racing truck over 300ft for a Guiness world record. Ironic that he would be caught out by a little kicker in Dakar
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2018, 01:05:52 pm
Saw a doccie where Menzies jumped a racing truck over 300ft for a Guiness world record. Ironic that he would be caught out by a little kicker in Dakar

And then once he'd broken the record, he tried again to further it more and crashed badly breaking his shoulder. This was a few months or so before last years Dakar and so he had to sit that one out.

Who in their right mind, with a sponsored factory ride just months away from the worlds largest race goes and does stupid shit like that?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2018, 01:07:29 pm
First bikes are off...

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 01:07:58 pm
Ask travis pastrana about doing stupid shit..............it's a sickness in some people
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2018, 01:15:12 pm
Who in their right mind, with a sponsored factory ride just months away from the worlds largest race goes and does stupid shit like that?

Ja faark... "Easy come, easy go" comes to mind. As if one can get a paid Dakar drive around any corner... :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2018, 01:19:25 pm
Very frustrating - our Telkom lines were stolen again last week for the umteenth time so no internet at home and still on leave. 👺👹 Generally takes about 6-8 weeks for them to reinstate. Worst timing. So only 3G 😡

Same crap here for years, but I use LTE and have fibre available. 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 08, 2018, 01:20:50 pm
Kinda crazy what the americans can put those "trucks" through



Well, it's an American built Chevy with around 850 horse so............  that's nothing  :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2018, 01:23:51 pm
I see no truck, but there is some fillies that is worth mentioning. :peepwall: ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 08, 2018, 01:25:40 pm
I see no truck, but there is some fillies that is worth mentioning. :peepwall: ;) :lol8:

I'd drive a Beetle like that if those split tails were waiting for me  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 08, 2018, 01:50:59 pm
Here is quick video of Toby Price. I'm really rooting for him on this one and hope he can make it to the podium at the end.

https://youtu.be/0Hg2d699RCk
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: westfrogger on January 08, 2018, 02:03:33 pm
Sub.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 02:05:11 pm
Here is quick video of Toby Price. I'm really rooting for him on this one and hope he can make it to the podium at the end.

https://youtu.be/0Hg2d699RCk

I want him to WIN!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 02:06:03 pm
Something is wrong with Bareda! He seems to be riding sensibly today...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 08, 2018, 02:08:51 pm
Damn this sucks... I have 36 hours of flying tomorrow, I'm going to miss so much.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 02:13:40 pm
Price and Sunderland looking good so far
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 02:24:17 pm
Both AVB and Walkner, who started 2nd and 3rd after Bam Bam are losing time on him. Strange, considering he is opening and navigating.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Buff on January 08, 2018, 02:34:58 pm
It's probably been published on one of these 18 pages but could someone please post a link to the best tracking page?

Ta  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 02:39:24 pm
Interesting trivia: There is an official factory Gas Gas team on Dakar! Riding KTM bikes...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 02:39:59 pm
It's probably been published on one of these 18 pages but could someone please post a link to the best tracking page?

Ta  :thumleft:

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 02:42:19 pm
Interesting trivia: There is an official factory Gas Gas team on Dakar! Riding KTM bikes...

Correct
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2018, 02:53:00 pm
Interesting trivia: There is an official factory Gas Gas team on Dakar! Riding KTM bikes...

Correct


040 Johnny Aubert is flying
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Buff on January 08, 2018, 02:55:36 pm
It's probably been published on one of these 18 pages but could someone please post a link to the best tracking page?

Ta  :thumleft:

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/)

Thx Xpat  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 02:58:03 pm
I have noticed only now they have started top 10 in 3 minutes intervals, instead of 2 minutes they used to in prior Dakars. BB, any reason for that?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:02:07 pm
I suspect AVB riding second made navigational mistake and Walkner riding 3rd blindly followed. Doesn't make sense that they are loosing on Bam Bam, while Sunderland and Price are taking heaps of time off him. Bam Bam so far clearly restrained from his usual gung-ho approach that cost him so dearly before.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 03:05:13 pm
Not many can open road and keep time over following pack
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:15:02 pm
Well BB is losing (wisely I would add) instead of blowing it off by massive navigational mistake. This is time honoured tactic where you would let people right behind your catch up and tag them to let them open the next day and get that difference back. I wonder if that is why they introduced 3 min starting interval for top10 - to make it more costly to follow this strategy.

The problem for BB right now is - tomorrow is group start.I.e. not an individual start at intervals, so BB will not have the advantage of just following the KTM tracks and gaining time back at the same time. Wil be interesting
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:19:43 pm
Looks like BB took AVB and Walkner for a walkabout between WP4 and 5 - they lost over 2 minutes just there on Benavides and Quintanilla.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 03:25:46 pm
Ask travis pastrana about doing stupid shit..............it's a sickness in some people

Mericans. F%&/ yeah!   ??? ::)

Not always though. Remember the stupid ski guy? Gerlain Chicherit.

Hope Menzies get no ride next year.


There are two American racers I really respect: One was Kurt Caselli. The other is Jonah Street. Completely different to the RG/ Menzies mine-is-bigger-than-yours BS.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 03:27:06 pm
Kinda crazy what the americans can put those "trucks" through



Well, it's an American built Chevy with around 850 horse so............  that's nothing  :pot: :pot:

And I dont believe one has ever made it to the finish of a Dakar. ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 08, 2018, 03:28:02 pm
Well BB is losing (wisely I would add) instead of blowing it off by massive navigational mistake. This is time honoured tactic where you would let people right behind your catch up and tag them to let them open the next day and get that difference back. I wonder if that is why they introduced 3 min starting interval for top10 - to make it more costly to follow this strategy.

The problem for BB right now is - tomorrow is group start.I.e. not an individual start at intervals, so BB will not have the advantage of just following the KTM tracks and gaining time back at the same time. Wil be interesting

I think that is definitely part of the decision for 3 min intervals. However, possibly also trying to keep the top 10 from seeing each other so that they are more focused on navigation, even though the tracks are lying there. Sometimes you start doubting that the guy in front is heading in the right direction if you only see tracks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 03:29:24 pm
Hehe, at WP 4 Sam has made up 4 minutes on Bam Bam. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:31:00 pm
There is a nice group forming 6,5 minutes (local time, not racing time) behind BB, when AVB, Walkner, Metge and Benavides are riding within half a minute from each other.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 03:31:12 pm
Toby stuffed up :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:34:40 pm
Toby stuffed up :(

Yup, lost 3 minutes between WP 4 & 5
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:37:53 pm
Hmmm, BB and AVB missing on WP 6 - drama or tracking snafu?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:40:10 pm
Even Sunderland riding way behind BB (like 15 minutes) is already at WP6. Wonder what is going on with BB and AVB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 03:43:12 pm
Mr enduro sure running well (Meo)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:48:10 pm
Hmmm - I suspect BB took AVB for sightseeing trip and the rest of AVB group saw through it. I could see one tracker going fritz, but two trackers of the front runners at the same time?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 03:49:57 pm
Willem and David are both flying this morning, 20 positions up each already. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:50:21 pm
Hmmm - I suspect BB took AVB for sightseeing trip and the rest of AVB group saw through it. I could see one tracker going fritz, but two trackers of the front runners at the same time?

Also Metge who was in the follow up group is missing, so he may have gone sightseeing as well. Would be a bummer for Honda... and Yamaha.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 03:50:47 pm
Price back to 4th for day so far :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:56:20 pm
OK, BB at WP7, so seems like it was only tracking issue.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 03:56:57 pm
Price back to 4th for day so far :)

I expect more from him...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2018, 03:58:37 pm

I think he had the skills to win the Dakar except for one thing. His temperament/hotheadedness.
The Dakar is not won by balls to the wall racing. The day Barreda realizes that he will win the Dakar. :deal:
[/quote]

He knows this and is given a bad rap for riding at 100%. He seems to have learnt that 99% will do just fine  >:D He would have won last year if his team did not fuckup. The naysayers need to cut him some slack and watch this space over the next week.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2018, 04:01:42 pm
Something is wrong with Bareda! He seems to be riding sensibly today...

 fapfap  give the man a break
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 04:05:53 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2018, 04:06:54 pm
Looks like Brabec is out  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 04:08:13 pm
Lets see how Barreda goes over next 7 days 

5:27 down today
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 04:12:20 pm
Something is wrong with Bareda! He seems to be riding sensibly today...

 fapfap  give the man a break

 :laughing4:

Am I sensing a little defensiveness here?  :laughing7:


Bloody Honda supporters. Can't say anything bad about them  :pot:

Don't worry Dom - When Bam Bam Bangs the Dakar, the shoe will be on the other foot.  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 04:15:35 pm
Something is wrong with Bareda! He seems to be riding sensibly today...

 fapfap  give the man a break

To jerk off? He for sure is fast enough to find time for that.

I was actually praising him there if you didn't notice. Believe it or not I stuck with him for a long time after most people written him off. But he built up body of evidence that was just too big... In the absence of Gonk, I wish BB the victory - would be good to mix up things after long KTM rein - even if it must be Honda  :peepwall: :pot:

That of course doesn't mean I will not make fun of him...

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 04:20:13 pm
Sanz 11Th ..........big up !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 04:24:19 pm
Sanz 11Th ..........big up !

That is on WP6 with tracking snafu. so with the three missing guys in she is at best 14th - still very impressive though.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 04:31:33 pm
Wessel worries me. He is 1 hour down already on WP2 - ASS1. That is basically double time of the winner. It looks like a long day in heat and sand for him. I better start the slow clap now, so there is less of it needed later:


 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2018, 04:31:42 pm
Some more nice footage from SS1. Ever seen a truck powerslide? Check it out just before 3 min.


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 04:51:16 pm
Van beveren WTF ?

Must of used it as one BIG jump  :imaposer:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 08, 2018, 04:59:26 pm
Barreda 27:49 minutes off the lead.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 08, 2018, 05:05:12 pm
   
S. SUNDERLAND
KTM   003:20:43      00:00:00

 
2      047   
K. BENAVIDES
HONDA   003:23:46   00:03:03   00:00:00

 
3      008   
T. PRICE
KTM   003:24:11   00:03:28   00:00:00

 
4      010   
P. QUINTANILLA
HUSQVARNA   003:25:03   00:04:20   00:00:00

 
5      014   
M. METGE
HONDA   003:29:46   00:09:03   00:00:00

 
6      002   
M. WALKNER
KTM   003:29:47   00:09:04   00:00:00

 
7      023   
X. DE SOULTRAIT
YAMAHA   003:32:35   00:11:52   00:00:00

 
8      004   
A. VAN BEVEREN
YAMAHA   003:33:54   00:13:11   00:00:00

 
9      005   
J. BARREDA BORT
HONDA   003:48:32   00:27:49   00:00:00
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 08, 2018, 05:06:23 pm
some big position changes on today's stage. Wonder what happen out there
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 08, 2018, 05:10:48 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: MrPrice
Really hope this is the start of him getting his mojo  :)
Apparently he did not have much time to ge some serious race training in.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 05:38:05 pm
some big position changes on today's stage. Wonder what happen out there

BB got lost. Here is the Dakar info reel:

09:28 Barreda gets lost!
Joan Barreda is in danger of losing out big time. The HRC rider missed a left hand bend and continued away from the ideal route on the special. Having realised his mistake, the Spaniard made an about turn, but has gone too far back on the route of the special, with precious minutes slipping through his fingers!


09:42 De Soultrait also in difficulty
Xavier de Soultrait has made the same mistake as Joan Barreda. The Frenchman, who was in sixth position, is also set to lose a lot of ground due to this error and is likely to drop down the standings for the stage finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 05:39:21 pm
Looks like Brabec is out  :xxbah:

Nope, Brabec in the ASS (and the other one - Czech one is also close) - clearly just tracking issue. Ricky finished 4th in the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2018, 05:41:26 pm
Nope, Brabec in the ASS (and the other one - Czech one is also close) - clearly just tracking issue.

Shot just saw that  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 05:42:00 pm
And the good news is that Wessel seems to be moving again now losing much less time against the lead as usually. So hopefully he will be able to make it home in good time for rest and prep for next day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2018, 05:59:27 pm

[/quote]

 :laughing4:

Am I sensing a little defensiveness here?  :laughing7:


Bloody Honda supporters. Can't say anything bad about them  :pot:

Don't worry Dom - When Bam Bam Bangs the Dakar, the shoe will be on the other foot.  :deal:
[/quote]

No not a Honda fanboy 🤪 Although would be good to see the other brands competing for the top step. Just think BB bullet has matured and can pull a podium. My man is Toby. 👍🏽
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 08, 2018, 06:00:16 pm
Is Lyndon Poskitt a Saffer living in GBR or is he a Brit?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 08, 2018, 06:02:42 pm
Is Lyndon Poskitt a Saffer living in GBR or is he a Brit?

He is as Brit as they come, a true Yorkshireman!


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 06:05:17 pm
F@CK. It seems the best Czech Ondrej Klymciw is out. Last year he finished 11th so I had hopes for top 10 finish this year, but if the news is true it is not going to happen.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2018, 06:31:41 pm
I didn't realize Olivier Pain is in the Malle Moto Class (Just saw he's battling to fix his bike at 260km mark).  If he can get his bike fixed it will be very difficult for Lyndon to beat him as Olivier is quite a bit faster, being an ex-factory racer.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 06:36:51 pm
I didn't realize Olivier Pain is in the Malle Moto Class (Just saw he's battling to fix his bike at 260km mark).  If he can get his bike fixed it will be very difficult for Lyndon to beat him as Olivier is quite a bit faster, being an ex-factory racer.

There are already conspiracy theories about why Pain is in MM running on advrider (I suspect from the AdventureSpecs guy who appears in Lyndon's videos - but not sure). Pain is there supposedly to prevent Lyndon from winning. The reason - I'm just paraphrasing here the supposed reason stated on advrider - is that MM category is sponsored this year by Motul. And Lyndon is sponsored from head to toe by Motorex. So orgas/Motul/iluminati/whoever may be worried about Lyndon winning and thus spoiling Motul party.

As I said - its a conspiracy theory and probably BS, but why not have a little fun with it...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2018, 06:50:23 pm
I didn't realize Olivier Pain is in the Malle Moto Class (Just saw he's battling to fix his bike at 260km mark).  If he can get his bike fixed it will be very difficult for Lyndon to beat him as Olivier is quite a bit faster, being an ex-factory racer.

There are already conspiracy theories about why Pain is in MM running on advrider (I suspect from the AdventureSpecs guy who appears in Lyndon's videos - but not sure). Pain is there supposedly to prevent Lyndon from winning. The reason - I'm just paraphrasing here the supposed reason stated on advrider - is that MM category is sponsored this year by Motul. And Lyndon is sponsored from head to toe by Motorex. So orgas/Motul/iluminati/whoever may be worried about Lyndon winning and thus spoiling Motul party.

As I said - its a conspiracy theory and probably BS, but why not have a little fun with it...

Well well well, that is very interesting. Saw the Estonian guy that won MM last year is not riding this year which is quite a pity.  I really hope Lyndon takes it - he really gives a lot in terms of exposure to the event and to biking in general. 

I see the Dutchman, Van den Goorbergh, his other main rival, lost like 70 x places between the start and WP1 - maybe he forgot to fasten his axle bolt  :biggrin:  He has however improved his position.  Oh yes, and let's not forget our own star Donovan!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2018, 08:20:13 pm
Saw a doccie where Menzies jumped a racing truck over 300ft for a Guiness world record. Ironic that he would be caught out by a little kicker in Dakar

And then once he'd broken the record, he tried again to further it more and crashed badly breaking his shoulder. This was a few months or so before last years Dakar and so he had to sit that one out.

Who in their right mind, with a sponsored factory ride just months away from the worlds largest race goes and does stupid shit like that?
Travis Pastrana, also pulled those antics. People reckon that is why he never made it big in MX and SX
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 08:40:03 pm
Joan Barreda: "I cannot make any more mistakes"
The Spaniard, leading the general standings this morning, made big losses due to a navigational error at the end of the special.

“It was a little bit confusing opening the track with the land of yesterday. Finally, I didn’t find a way-point and I had to go back for 15 kilometres to the way point before, and go back almost 30 kilometres more. I lost a lot of time, but it is like that sometimes when you open. It is dangerous and today I made a big mistake before the finish of the stage. I cannot make any more mistakes. We will see, but for sure it is not easy to recover this time. It's a lot of time, but the Dakar is still long".

I'm still rooting for you, boet, you can win it. It will take mistakes from other riders, but it is early days yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 08:41:06 pm
Sam Sunderland: "one drop out of a thousand is not so bad"

The title holder won the day’s stage, but received a warning sign from the desert itself.

“It was good. On the first loop I felt really strong, but then the second loop was a bit tricky in a few spots. I managed to miss one drop in the dunes and had a small crash which was a bit scary. I was trying to push today; that was my plan. There were a few mistakes there and it was really difficult going on and off the common tracks from yesterday. It was really confusing and you really had to pay attention to the course in the road-book. But all-in-all it was a good day. The bike was good and we’re safe for another day. All of a sudden, I didn’t see one of the lines and I guess that was where he made a mistake, though I’m not sure at exactly which kilometre. It’s not easy to open, you know, it's a difficult desert. As I say, we were on and off the tracks from the day before, so it was really tricky there. The Dakar’s like this, you have to try and be consistent every day. I’m a bit angry at myself for missing that drop there, but one drop out of a thousand is not so bad”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 08:42:28 pm
Toby Price: "The pace is definitely here"

The winner of the Dakar 2016 is reassured by the pace that he is maintaining after a year of injuries and no racing.

“Today was not so bad. It was definitely difficult with the navigation and stuff. We had a couple of small crashes and I blew the end of my camel-back, so I’m a little bit dry at the moment. The navigation tower wasn’t rolling my road-book through, so I was having to do it manually sometimes. It was a little bit difficult in that second part, but we’re here and that’s the main thing, so we’ll just see how the rest of the rally goes. The pace is definitely here and we know we can still run at the front. We’re going to make sure we look after the bike, look after ourselves and avoid making those little crashes where the bike kind of chased me a little bit and landed on top of me a bit. But all-in-all, it was a good day. We’re here at the finish of day three, so now it’s day four to go”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 08:46:39 pm
Dakar.com
12:31 Roma rolls his car
Nani Roma had a spectacular accident less than one kilometre from the finishing line. It took him a certain amount of time to get over the shock, but the Spaniard was able to resume racing and cross the line 26 minutes behind the stage winner, before being examined by the race medical team.

I think this is it
(https://i.imgur.com/fPZvgpp.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 08:50:21 pm
Gerry at WP7, last one before ASS.
Wessel at WP6.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 09:01:44 pm
My girl Gabriela is in, so now just wait for Wessel. The best ones took about hour and a half between WP6 and ASS, so I would guess at least another 2 - 3 hours of special for Wessel. And then the 300 km liaison...

I will add Simon Marcic from Slovenia into my watch list. He is the MM guy who got his leg broken last year by Peterhansel, so I hope he makes it this year - again in MM. And by the look of things he will need all the support he can get.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 09:13:38 pm
Dakar.com
12:31 Roma rolls his car
Nani Roma had a spectacular accident less than one kilometre from the finishing line. It took him a certain amount of time to get over the shock, but the Spaniard was able to resume racing and cross the line 26 minutes behind the stage winner, before being examined by the race medical team.

I think this is it


There is a longer gif - this one, and the story seems to be that Roma got knocked out on the first drop (the one not seen in your original gif) and while the car continued like nothing happened he wasn't in control anymore ending up in the sommersaults. He is out with serious concussion. Scary if true:

(https://i.imgur.com/kAoUIeW.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 08, 2018, 09:33:07 pm
WOW  :o
Battle to understand how he strapped up in that race seat can get knocked out  :patch:
But then that can really be the only reason for the strange crash afterwards  :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 09:34:31 pm
Wessel thu WP7  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 09:45:11 pm
Wessel thu WP7  :thumleft:

Yes  :thumleft:. Taking into account that it took best riders about 50 minutes between WP7 and ASS, I would expect that he has about 1.5 hours left in special if things go well. And then of course the liaison. He is third last so it seems the snowball is growing.

While we wait, here are some pictures of his bike I took in Bethlehem end of November (I have posted them already in another thread, but hey - it fits here better). At the time I had no clue who the bike belonged to at the time and if it was legit (as in really doing Dakar per its stickers). It turned out it was. I have to say I found the scafolding a bit excessive, but hey - I have never ridden Dakar so what do I know:

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4692/25441507348_0bbe3b96d3_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4735/39281317412_3804780f4d_b.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4738/25441464888_e409929d55_b.jpg)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 09:53:51 pm
De Soultrait

(https://i.imgur.com/P3wGKqf.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/H4QbdeG.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 09:59:22 pm
Gerry's in. Well done sir  :bueller:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2018, 11:29:01 pm
Oom Wessel at ASS! :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 08, 2018, 11:31:19 pm
Oom Wessel at ASS! :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Yep  :thumleft: Now just the liaison...

Good night
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 09, 2018, 01:15:23 am
WOW  :o
Battle to understand how he strapped up in that race seat can get knocked out  :patch:
But then that can really be the only reason for the strange crash afterwards  :eek7:

Instantaneous high g-force.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 09, 2018, 06:01:04 am
this thread is better than watching it on the tv,way more info,shot guys  :thumleft: anyone want to crowd fund me to do next years race? :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Teapot on January 09, 2018, 06:41:55 am
I am sure all watched some guys stuck in that hole yesterday. I can not imagine the frustration where you just can get out past those huge dunes. Unbelievable the size. 


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 09, 2018, 07:08:54 am


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 09, 2018, 07:23:00 am
I am sure all watched some guys stuck in that hole yesterday. I can not imagine the frustration where you just can get out past those huge dunes. Unbelievable the size. 

That was crazy. Long days? No problem but being stuck in one place for hours must be seriously heartbreaking
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Monteith on January 09, 2018, 07:35:32 am
I am sure all watched some guys stuck in that hole yesterday. I can not imagine the frustration where you just can get out past those huge dunes. Unbelievable the size. 

That was crazy. Long days? No problem but being stuck in one place for hours must be seriously heartbreaking

I heard about this but missed the footage. Does anyone have pictures or a video clip of the people stuck between the dunes?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 09, 2018, 07:41:30 am
I'm glad to see that all the SAffers are all still there !
I need some help . . .
Where could the Malle Moto standings be found ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Groenie on January 09, 2018, 07:43:12 am
WOW  :o
Battle to understand how he strapped up in that race seat can get knocked out  :patch:
But then that can really be the only reason for the strange crash afterwards  :eek7:

Haven't you seen the new Hilux ad?

Your head gets a moerse bounce every time
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 07:50:23 am
Where could the Malle Moto standings be found ?

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/standings/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 09, 2018, 08:10:33 am
Great info guys, keep it up!

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 09, 2018, 08:11:40 am
That's very sad to see so many end their Dakar dreams in something like that.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1692588494133784/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Monteith on January 09, 2018, 08:24:37 am
That's very sad to see so many end their Dakar dreams in something like that.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1692588494133784/

That is heartbreaking.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:50:59 am
Mischa has updated trackingdakar based on (hopefully) correct list of Malle Moto racers (unsupported, riding with one box): http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/)

I didn't know that Wessel is riding unsupported MM - at 59, that is something to behold!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 09, 2018, 08:55:25 am
I am sure all watched some guys stuck in that hole yesterday. I can not imagine the frustration where you just can get out past those huge dunes. Unbelievable the size. 


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What is weird for me is I know they use Toyota D4ds to recce the route every year. If a D4d could out of that hole why not the other vehicles?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 09, 2018, 08:57:42 am
One has to wonder if they were ever meant to be in that hole in the first place.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:06:54 am
One has to wonder if they were ever meant to be in that hole in the first place.

Exactly. Not sure which stage this was. But my understanding is that the second stage - the one where cars started first, was a proper mess in terms of navigation. Clearly the cars for very long time were used to follow tracks of bikes which usually run first and now without them they were all over the place. I don't follow cars, but read somewhere that it was former bikers like CdP and Peterhansel who did best in those stages in cars, as they have those navigational skills grinded into them from their bike days.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:10:31 am
Mischa has updated trackingdakar based on (hopefully) correct list of Malle Moto racers (unsupported, riding with one box): http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/waypoints/)

I didn't know that Wessel is riding unsupported MM - at 59, that is something to behold!

So far overal Male Moto: Lyndon third, Donovan 7th, Wessel closing the rankings at 19th.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 09, 2018, 09:12:02 am
One has to wonder if they were ever meant to be in that hole in the first place.

Exactly. Not sure which stage this was. But my understanding is that the second stage - the one where cars started first, was a proper mess in terms of navigation. Clearly the cars for very long time were used to follow tracks of bikes which usually run first and now without them they were all over the place. I don't follow cars, but read somewhere that it was former bikers like CdP and Peterhansel who did best in those stages in cars, as they have those navigational skills grinded into them from their bike days.

This does not make sense to me, they have dedicated navigators for goodness sake, whilst the riders have to do everything themselves.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 09, 2018, 09:15:21 am
Where could the Malle Moto standings be found ?

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-3/bikes/standings/
Dankie Steve
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:20:23 am
One has to wonder if they were ever meant to be in that hole in the first place.

Exactly. Not sure which stage this was. But my understanding is that the second stage - the one where cars started first, was a proper mess in terms of navigation. Clearly the cars for very long time were used to follow tracks of bikes which usually run first and now without them they were all over the place. I don't follow cars, but read somewhere that it was former bikers like CdP and Peterhansel who did best in those stages in cars, as they have those navigational skills grinded into them from their bike days.

This does not make sense to me, they have dedicated navigators for goodness sake, whilst the riders have to do everything themselves.

Well that is what the word is out there. And have you seen that American crashing Mini in stage 2? That little hump was tripple warning in the roadbook - which he was warned about by his navigator, but he just decided to take it full speed anyway. That is probably exception, but I can imagine that especially in dunes one may be looking for an easier way around obstacles and then end up in a pinch. And all the others have to do is to follow the tracks of the first one.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 09:23:53 am
That's very sad to see so many end their Dakar dreams in something like that.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1692588494133784/

That is heartbreaking.

The consistency of sand varies hugely on different parts of dunes. Some sand is consistently hard no matter what, but that tends to be "static" sand. This sand, year after year goes nowhere and is quite tough even to dig into. The "moving" sand is the stuff that causes issues. This is the stuff that over time is moved about by the wind, sometimes very slowly, others, from day to day things change. Typically this sand is your classic looking dunes with sharp apexes and wave patterns.

Sand is hugely affected with the time of day and the weather. Early in the morning is typically the best its going to be. The sand has a higher humidity and is "stickier" with the best traction, it's much easier to accelerate and climb. Sometimes even straight up the steepest of dunes. The surface is harder with really good traction.

As the sand gets hotter and drier, its “viscosity” becomes more fluid like, traction falls off and the tires sink in easier. It requires great gobs of power and as this is generally the hottest time of day, cooling becomes critical. The choices for route picking become much more limited and the consequences of picking bad lines means getting stuck. Added to this, at its worst, the sun is at its highest so its very hard to discern features. Dead ground and dangerous drop offs are very difficult to see - the horizon line for them just blends in with the background. Polarised lenses help a lot here.

For all these reasons, experienced guys will pick their way through, seemingly to take indirect and longer lines but use very little energy. Inexperienced guys hit the worst of it and get stuck. Sometimes the difference between a good line and terrible is half a meter or just a very slight variation on angle. The way you ride and gears you pull affect it too. It can be very frustrating for an inexperienced rider. The easiest way to learn is to ride behind someone who is willing to show you how it's done. What seems impossible or outright dangerous, with a little practice soon becomes obvious and not nearly as scary.

Get it wrong and it's a terrible snowball from there. Digging out a bike and fighting with it drains energy and overheats rider and bike leading to even more bad decision making. Even when the experienced guys get stuck, there are ways of getting out that loose little time and doesn't cost too much in effort and energy. Nobody rides sand and doesn't come off from time to time. Mostly sand is about confidence and commitment, when things start to go wrong both of those ebb away and then the sands Gods really start dishing out retribution.

It gets even worse, the more the track gets churned up. On virgin sand, it's way more predictable. On churned sand, the degree of difficulty rises a few degrees. Deep and multiple tracks make it tough to be smooth and limits options. Also, psychologically it screws with your head. Its easy to over anticipate and therefore stiffen up. Back markers really do have it far worse than the front guys.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 09, 2018, 09:28:25 am
Stage 4
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 10:21:09 am
https://www.facebook.com/andrew.johnstone.5815/videos/10156892247094045/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 10:23:31 am
https://www.facebook.com/andrew.johnstone.5815/videos/10156892249244045/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: markdiver on January 09, 2018, 10:27:48 am
this thread is better than watching it on the tv,way more info,shot guys  :thumleft: anyone want to crowd fund me to do next years race? :peepwall:

I ditto that  :thumleft: :thumleft: Thanks BlueBull & SteveD, good to see your strong enthusiasm for this site has not gone away.  Your updates and info are fantastic.  Also thanks to everyone else providing regular info, Xpat etc.It is much appreciated, and 100 times better that DSTV could even hope to offer, and live nogal ook.  :thumleft: ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 10:43:51 am
I know the Dakar is still long but with a 22 min deficit Barreda will have to push increasing the chances even more of crashing out  :-\  I have noticed just how close the pro's stick to each other on a daily basis, one or 2 mins is quite normal.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 10:54:16 am
What I would like to see Barreda do, is to push hard enough to win the stage. Then, when leading the stage after this (and possibly future stages) allow his teammates to gain some time in the rankings. Both Benavides and Brabec is currently close to the leader.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Chili Dog on January 09, 2018, 10:57:23 am
Very late entry to DAKAR 2018 on my part, All the very best and safe ride to our SA guys.
Better late than never Bobby


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cdp13 on January 09, 2018, 10:58:15 am
Great info guys  :thumleft:

I might be mistaken, but is that Manny Shoestring Luchesse from Malle Moto fame, in SSV #351? Right at the end of summary video Day 3.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 11:35:35 am
Great info guys  :thumleft:

I might be mistaken, but is that Manny Shoestring Luchesse from Malle Moto fame, in SSV #351? Right at the end of summary video Day 3.

Haven't seen the video, but Manny is in the bivouac, this year trying to pass for a journalist using his girlfriend to get passes to places. The usual Manny operating procedure...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 09, 2018, 11:43:33 am
I think tomorrow's stage is going to be a killer, especially for the less experienced guys Google reckons it will take you about 7.5 hours just to get from the end of the special to the bivouac at Arequipa...after you have done 220 odd km's through the sand. It can become a very long day if you get stuck on the special.
Any case, that's tomorrow.

The local boys are going strong, Donovan looking good.  :thumleft: Let's hope for another good day for all of them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 09, 2018, 11:44:46 am
That's very sad to see so many end their Dakar dreams in something like that.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1692588494133784/

That is heartbreaking.


The consistency of sand varies hugely on different parts of dunes. Some sand is consistently hard no matter what, but that tends to be "static" sand. This sand, year after year goes nowhere and is quite tough even to dig into. The "moving" sand is the stuff that causes issues. This is the stuff that over time is moved about by the wind, sometimes very slowly, others, from day to day things change. Typically this sand is your classic looking dunes with sharp apexes and wave patterns.

Sand is hugely affected with the time of day and the weather. Early in the morning is typically the best its going to be. The sand has a higher humidity and is "stickier" with the best traction, it's much easier to accelerate and climb. Sometimes even straight up the steepest of dunes. The surface is harder with really good traction.

As the sand gets hotter and drier, its “viscosity” becomes more fluid like, traction falls off and the tires sink in easier. It requires great gobs of power and as this is generally the hottest time of day, cooling becomes critical. The choices for route picking become much more limited and the consequences of picking bad lines means getting stuck. Added to this, at its worst, the sun is at its highest so its very hard to discern features. Dead ground and dangerous drop offs are very difficult to see - the horizon line for them just blends in with the background. Polarised lenses help a lot here.

For all these reasons, experienced guys will pick their way through, seemingly to take indirect and longer lines but use very little energy. Inexperienced guys hit the worst of it and get stuck. Sometimes the difference between a good line and terrible is half a meter or just a very slight variation on angle. The way you ride and gears you pull affect it too. It can be very frustrating for an inexperienced rider. The easiest way to learn is to ride behind someone who is willing to show you how it's done. What seems impossible or outright dangerous, with a little practice soon becomes obvious and not nearly as scary.

Get it wrong and it's a terrible snowball from there. Digging out a bike and fighting with it drains energy and overheats rider and bike leading to even more bad decision making. Even when the experienced guys get stuck, there are ways of getting out that loose little time and doesn't cost too much in effort and energy. Nobody rides sand and doesn't come off from time to time. Mostly sand is about confidence and commitment, when things start to go wrong both of those ebb away and then the sands Gods really start dishing out retribution.

It gets even worse, the more the track gets churned up. On virgin sand, it's way more predictable. On churned sand, the degree of difficulty rises a few degrees. Deep and multiple tracks make it tough to be smooth and limits options. Also, psychologically it screws with your head. Its easy to over anticipate and therefore stiffen up. Back markers really do have it far worse than the front guys.


Riding virgin sand and having to trail blaze as opposed to fighting through the churned up sand is a major catch 22 in the dunes. When we ride the sandy trials around here it is so much easier to be the lead bike. The poor okes at the back sometimes really struggle, and it does not help that they are generally the more inexperienced riders in the group.

Of course skill counts for a lot, years ago we were riding in Atlantis and I got stuck on a big dune and could not get up. David Thomas strolled down the dune and rode my bike up like it was a mole hill and all this time I was convinced my 250F just did not have enough grunt to make it up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 11:55:59 am
I spent a massive amount of time trying to get the official profile to fit one that I made up in Google Earth. With very little clues and a peek at just 2 pages of a roadbook, I think this is mostly the route that they will take. It's got some hairy roads and goes through the biggest dunes in the world.

I know the first 40k's is right. It should be immensly quick.

Also, I'm pretty sure the route over the highest point of the course is right too. But, it looks as if after that epic up and down, there's still a monster set of dunes that scale over 1700m!

Here's where I think they'll go

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-d5MKhJT/0/b567904a/L/stage%204%20guesss-L.jpg)

The Google Earth file is attached below
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 12:16:29 pm
@Kamanya , Aren't they going to go up here?

(https://i.imgur.com/Mx5c0CF.png)

From the map on the dakar site it looks like that... Or did you get info somewhere else?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 09, 2018, 12:16:45 pm
Hope Barreda can claw back that almost half an hour...
Nice photo of Tobey Price. Took 3rd on stage 3.  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26678594_1692116084181025_2222874862989360209_o.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeG0QeKr-QAZSSDxE0Er-_Av40p15ZMTqIoMVfqSms0iC40kCE8ZQPhJxUPc4684ikGzaW_ywHj0GjjXBW1oP_Dq7Mh5HokVPywSa77a7aRRfg&oh=353400a5a66216ac5fec62271c564931&oe=5AEB7028)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Teapot on January 09, 2018, 12:19:31 pm
What a pic !!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 09, 2018, 12:45:07 pm
I wish someone would try the Dakar with the new TPi 300 2stroke. Lighter on fuel, no need to premix and you don’t have to rejet for altitude. Would be fun to follow!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 09, 2018, 12:46:48 pm

Nice photo of Tobey Price. Took 3rd on stage 3.  :thumleft:


Correction: Sam Sunderland
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 01:06:26 pm
@Kamanya , Aren't they going to go up here?

(https://i.imgur.com/Mx5c0CF.png)

From the map on the dakar site it looks like that... Or did you get info somewhere else?

I tried about 10 different routes. That one sort of works and could very well be it. But that stylised map that they put out is so bland it could be anywhere. One of the main reasons I changed it was that in an official preview video from yesterday, the route differs significantly from the published one. That along with the published spectator spots made me change it.



It looks like this;

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-h6kBgg6/0/a06214ef/L/stage%203%20org-L.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-h6kBgg6/A)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 01:14:19 pm
What is going to be really interesting is that tomorrow, the route looks like it runs in reverse in many places and for sure there will be a lot of crossing of tracks.

I bet tomorrow will be really tricky navigation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 01:21:09 pm
I tried about 10 different routes. That one sort of works and could very well be it. But that stylised map that they put out is so bland it could be anywhere. One of the main reasons I changed it was that in an official preview video from yesterday, the route differs significantly from the published one. That along with the published spectator spots made me change it.

It looks like this;


Saw that map. Yes, now I can see the ridge in it where you routed around it. I think the spectator spots would be the best "waypoints" for our generated maps of the route.

Good work! Thanks!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2018, 01:50:26 pm
Tomorrow I go do fieldwork in the Northern Cape for two weeks. Limited to no internet  :xxbah:  :'(
I'll have to read up here whenever I get a connection.

This year seems to be lekker tough again, especially after last year's WRC style stages.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 02:11:47 pm
Start delayed 30 min due to thick fog...  :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Semmy on January 09, 2018, 02:26:06 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 02:30:01 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

No, there is no way to live stream it right now. ANd I for one am really glad. This makes for much richer experience as one have to participate actively rather than just sitting on their ass, stuff food down their throat and consume passively.

I never understood my grandfather when he used to listen to soccer matches on radio (long into the TV era). Now I do.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 09, 2018, 02:34:33 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

No, there is no way to live stream it right now. ANd I for one am really glad. This makes for much richer experience as one have to participate actively rather than just sitting on their ass, stuff food down their throat and consume passively.

I never understood my grandfather when he used to listen to soccer matches on radio (long into the TV era). Now I do.

I far preferred my cricket on Radio 2000, now I follow it on espncricinfo...still better than TV. :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 02:34:53 pm
No, there is no way to live stream it right now. ANd I for one am really glad. This makes for much richer experience as one have to participate actively rather than just sitting on their ass, stuff food down their throat and consume passively.

I never understood my grandfather when he used to listen to soccer matches on radio (long into the TV era). Now I do.

True hey. You have to visualize the whole story from maps, trackers and pictures! And at the end of the day watch a few videos of how it happened.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: I&horse on January 09, 2018, 02:35:16 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

No, there is no way to live stream it right now. ANd I for one am really glad. This makes for much richer experience as one have to participate actively rather than just sitting on their ass, stuff food down their throat and consume passively.

I never understood my grandfather when he used to listen to soccer matches on radio (long into the TV era). Now I do.

There's involvement and entertainment, I prefer the latter   :)  ;) I would pay to have a Videopass like they have for MotoGP where you can switch between cameras and have live statistics etc. With technology where it is, I really hope that is coming soon. Then I'll be working over Xmas and take the 2 Dakar weeks off  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 02:36:51 pm
And they're off!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 02:42:54 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

It's one of the real frustrations of the sport.

The Dakar have a history of being a bit precious about letting people know what's going on. But they have a reason; with today's communication abilities, if there was live tracking, then teams would figure out how to help with the navigation.

In the Amageza, trackers that gave a position every 5 minutes worked really well. Because it was run in really remote areas, competitors even if they wished to, had very little to no cell signal so it wasn't an issue. But, in areas where there was signal, there was nothing to stop a lost competitor pulling out his or her phone and getting a bit of a help. If they had access to signal and info and did it, it's unfair to those who had to figure it out without outside help.

I see a time when each competitor will have a live cam on them with a satellite feed so people can watch their progress and challenges. All spectator comms will be one-way - competitor to world.

But till then, its what it is.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Semmy on January 09, 2018, 02:49:26 pm
Thanks for all the responses guys, as a new gen kiddo Im sadly used to the tv entertainment  :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 09, 2018, 03:00:40 pm
Tomorrow I go do fieldwork in the Northern Cape for two weeks. Limited to no internet  :xxbah:  :'(
I'll have to read up here whenever I get a connection.

This year seems to be lekker tough again, especially after last year's WRC style stages.
You going to sweet pappa :deal: :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:09:53 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

It's one of the real frustrations of the sport.

The Dakar have a history of being a bit precious about letting people know what's going on. But they have a reason; with today's communication abilities, if there was live tracking, then teams would figure out how to help with the navigation.

In the Amageza, trackers that gave a position every 5 minutes worked really well. Because it was run in really remote areas, competitors even if they wished to, had very little to no cell signal so it wasn't an issue. But, in areas where there was signal, there was nothing to stop a lost competitor pulling out his or her phone and getting a bit of a help. If they had access to signal and info and did it, it's unfair to those who had to figure it out without outside help.

I see a time when each competitor will have a live cam on them with a satellite feed so people can watch their progress and challenges. All spectator comms will be one-way - competitor to world.

But till then, its what it is.

And then this thread, and its grand-daddy - f5irehose on advrider will be dead. We all be sitting in our own individual cocoon and just taking in whatever they feed us.

I for one do not even care about Dakar that much - at least didn't until I discovered f5irehose in its crazy heydays about 7 years ago (by which stage I have already ridden length of Africa myself - so I wasn't looking for inspiration). The community and energy there was contaigious and that is what sucked me in.

It will probably go the way you predict and then it would lose any charm for me. But I'll move on and survive  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 03:13:44 pm
3 group 2 riders fastest at first waypoint. (Barreda, vBeveren, Jonathan) with Soultrain of first group close behind. Funny how some of group 1 riders are lagging 3 min behind already...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:14:58 pm
And as expected the second starting group including Bareda, AVB, Medge and De Soultrait put the hammer down and is chasing hard the leading group, with BamBam posting the best time on WP1.

Edit: 205'ed by Constantinople
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 09, 2018, 03:15:11 pm
something not right
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 03:16:20 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

It's one of the real frustrations of the sport.

The Dakar have a history of being a bit precious about letting people know what's going on. But they have a reason; with today's communication abilities, if there was live tracking, then teams would figure out how to help with the navigation.

In the Amageza, trackers that gave a position every 5 minutes worked really well. Because it was run in really remote areas, competitors even if they wished to, had very little to no cell signal so it wasn't an issue. But, in areas where there was signal, there was nothing to stop a lost competitor pulling out his or her phone and getting a bit of a help. If they had access to signal and info and did it, it's unfair to those who had to figure it out without outside help.

I see a time when each competitor will have a live cam on them with a satellite feed so people can watch their progress and challenges. All spectator comms will be one-way - competitor to world.

But till then, its what it is.

And then this thread, and its grand-daddy - f5irehose on advrider will be dead. We all be sitting in our own individual cocoon and just taking in whatever they feed us.

I for one do not even care about Dakar that much - at least didn't until I discovered f5irehose in its crazy heydays about 7 years ago (by which stage I have already ridden length of Africa myself - so I wasn't looking for inspiration). The community and energy there was contaigious and that is what sucked me in.

It will probably go the way you predict and then it would lose any charm for me. But I'll move on and survive  :)

I doubt that.

The forums would then be crackling with stories of the back-markers and friends. And anyway by that time, it will all be integrated. It will be a 3d  live feed with instantaneous messaging into relevant forums fed to  reality glasses and a robot will be fetching beer on demand!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 09, 2018, 03:16:58 pm
And as expected the second starting group including Bareda, AVB, Medge and De Soultrait put the hammer down and is chasing hard the leading group, with BamBam posting the best time on WP1.

Edit: 205'ed by Constantinople

Makes sense as they following a bunch of tracks
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 03:17:49 pm
something not right

Some of the top riders's, like Brabec, timers aren't working so lekker. We only get updates at the manual checkpoints...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 09, 2018, 03:17:59 pm
https://youtu.be/eS43lUVZrNI
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:19:32 pm
Ahhh that delay....

Guys is there really no way to live stream it? the only thing i find are trackers but i want to watch the race :( noobie question i guess...

It's one of the real frustrations of the sport.

The Dakar have a history of being a bit precious about letting people know what's going on. But they have a reason; with today's communication abilities, if there was live tracking, then teams would figure out how to help with the navigation.

In the Amageza, trackers that gave a position every 5 minutes worked really well. Because it was run in really remote areas, competitors even if they wished to, had very little to no cell signal so it wasn't an issue. But, in areas where there was signal, there was nothing to stop a lost competitor pulling out his or her phone and getting a bit of a help. If they had access to signal and info and did it, it's unfair to those who had to figure it out without outside help.

I see a time when each competitor will have a live cam on them with a satellite feed so people can watch their progress and challenges. All spectator comms will be one-way - competitor to world.

But till then, its what it is.

And then this thread, and its grand-daddy - f5irehose on advrider will be dead. We all be sitting in our own individual cocoon and just taking in whatever they feed us.

I for one do not even care about Dakar that much - at least didn't until I discovered f5irehose in its crazy heydays about 7 years ago (by which stage I have already ridden length of Africa myself - so I wasn't looking for inspiration). The community and energy there was contaigious and that is what sucked me in.

It will probably go the way you predict and then it would lose any charm for me. But I'll move on and survive  :)

I doubt that.

The forums would then be crackling with stories of the back-markers and friends. And anyway by that time, it will all be integrated. It will be a 3d  live feed with instantaneous messaging into relevant forums fed to  reality glasses and a robot will be fetching beer on demand!

Look, its anybody guess - but do you feel that technology (admitedly in this case with exception of internet) did forge a sense of community or fosters individualism? But we are way off topic, let's see what Bareda is going to come up with to get his 20 minutes back.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:22:11 pm
Soultrain is opening - don't know him, can he navigate?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 03:24:25 pm
Hey guys! :wave:

been a a bit tough for me this year with work getting in the way, sorry. There will be days when you guys will have to post the updates while I take the chicken run ;D

its not that hard, just go to twitter, FB, Dakar.com, search youtube for Dakar 2018 vids, and you will be amazed at what you can find. And of course post the juicy stuff from the F5rehose as well- this WD thread really is the Cliff notes version, and I always enjoy it a bit more because some of the chirps in here are fantastic.


Re that huge dune hole, what Andrew says is spot on. That particular hole is one of the biggest I have seen, but there is really only one way to get out of them. Hit it in fourth, changing into third as late as possible and hit it at an angle. If you have to drop into 2nd gear, forget it, you will not get out. The hard part is if you are not used to riding along a slope (vs up a slope) this is not that simple to do. Its a bit like one, continuous power slide. At the beginning of the clip you see five bikes sailing up it as a perfect example. You will notice they are riding over other tracks so its already pretty broken.

I have no clue how you get out of them with a car, but it must be possible. Trucks...dunno.

I am almost 100% certain the guys ended up in this dilemma because there was a Waypoint in the bottom of the hole. This is a very typical thing, and one of the reasons Dakar is so hard: They put the waypoints on the other side of high dunes as well, so either you lose a lot of time going around it or you have to ride over it to get it. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 03:24:50 pm
Soultrain is opening - don't know him, can he navigate?

Yeah he is pretty good, the darling of the French contingent for some reason.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 03:27:29 pm
Hmmm regarding Bam Bam, 20 minutes is not such a big deal so early in the race. If he goes full gas all the way chances are high he will bin it. But if he rides hard and smart, it might just be a matter of time before Sam make his error.

If he was 20 minutes behind Coma or Despres I would say its a different story, but to date no one has stood up enough to be an alien out of the new group of leading contenders in my view.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 09, 2018, 03:29:27 pm
Wonder how small Barreda dared go on rear sprocket
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 03:30:27 pm
I spent a massive amount of time trying to get the official profile to fit one that I made up in Google Earth. With very little clues and a peek at just 2 pages of a roadbook, I think this is mostly the route that they will take. It's got some hairy roads and goes through the biggest dunes in the world.

I know the first 40k's is right. It should be immensly quick.

Also, I'm pretty sure the route over the highest point of the course is right too. But, it looks as if after that epic up and down, there's still a monster set of dunes that scale over 1700m!

Here's where I think they'll go

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-d5MKhJT/0/b567904a/L/stage%204%20guesss-L.jpg)

The Google Earth file is attached below

This is bloody awesome Andrew! :hello2:
Its really hard to guess the route purely on elevations through that desert but I would have to say you are close.  Did you check out the gold mines in the mountains there?

Any chance you could attach the kml? :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 03:38:37 pm
The Google Earth file is attached below

This is bloody awesome Andrew! :hello2:
Its really hard to guess the route purely on elevations through that desert but I would have to say you are close.  Did you check out the gold mines in the mountains there?

Any chance you could attach the kml? :deal:

?

It was attached.

Again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 03:42:24 pm
Soultrain is opening - don't know him, can he navigate?

Yeah he is pretty good, the darling of the French contingent for some reason.
Without checking I would guess he is on a Yamaha Motor France machine ? Lots of history going back to the JC Olivier days
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: weskus on January 09, 2018, 03:44:58 pm
The Google Earth file is attached below

This is bloody awesome Andrew! :hello2:
Its really hard to guess the route purely on elevations through that desert but I would have to say you are close.  Did you check out the gold mines in the mountains there?

Any chance you could attach the kml? :deal:

?

It was attached.

Again.
Andries, werk jy glad-en geheel en al nie ou maat..ek vra maar net :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:46:11 pm
Second group has basically caught up on WP2 - Bareda only 14 seconds behind Laia who was last in the first group (this drag racing probably not her favourite part).
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 03:54:50 pm
I cannot figure out what is the smart move here for Bareda. The option right now seems to be to catch up with Sunderland and then tag him to the finish. That way he will get 5 minutes back from Sam and hopefully can get some hothead youngster from 2nd group (AVB?) to win the stage and open tomorrow (hence Bareda avoids the burden of opening).

Is there better strategy for him out there?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: melvman on January 09, 2018, 04:23:08 pm
sub
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 04:26:50 pm
(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/upload_2018-1-9_12-37-4-png.1074104/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 09, 2018, 04:28:18 pm
I cannot figure out what is the smart move here for Bareda. The option right now seems to be to catch up with Sunderland and then tag him to the finish. That way he will get 5 minutes back from Sam and hopefully can get some hothead youngster from 2nd group (AVB?) to win the stage and open tomorrow (hence Bareda avoids the burden of opening).

Is there better strategy for him out there?

That would be the smart move, but I get the idea that he still hasn't learnt to be patient when he needs to be. There is more than enough racing left.

If he opens the track tomorrow, it will be on a stage which will be a nightmare because of the overlapping tracks from today's stage. :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 04:37:20 pm
We will see soon enough. BamBam is now behind Sunderland with about 1 minute gap. So let's see if he guns past or sticks to that strategy. It could work as AVB is second losing only 36 seconds, so if Bareda eases down behind Sunderland, he could take the win.

Where is Soultrain??? He disappeared from the tracker. He was doing great job opening gaining time on all the riders from the 1st group and being outpaced only by few guys from he second group, who just folow tracks (to an extent of course).

It is also interesting that all leading KTM are riding together as if they keep Sunderland a company. Toby is definitely not pushing hard. Seems like they want to sit this one out and force initiative on Honda.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 04:37:39 pm
I cannot figure out what is the smart move here for Bareda. The option right now seems to be to catch up with Sunderland and then tag him to the finish. That way he will get 5 minutes back from Sam and hopefully can get some hothead youngster from 2nd group (AVB?) to win the stage and open tomorrow (hence Bareda avoids the burden of opening).

Is there better strategy for him out there?

If he gets in front, considering his deficit, it's no riskier to push than to sit with the leaders. He becomes the rabbit tomorrow anyway. What ever he can make today is good for him
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 04:42:49 pm
Well he will have to open tomorrow, which didn't go that well yesterday. I still think letting AVB or somebody else from second group who are on his heel open would be beneficial - assuming they are not going to lead him astray of course.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 04:43:57 pm
Toby and Sam lost a lot of time... about 15min.

Seems all the top guys took a wrong turn except for Metge and soultrain!  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 04:48:26 pm
Sadly, so did Bareda - seems like the whole leading group went sightseeing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 09, 2018, 04:50:47 pm
Looking at the tracking sites it looks like there could be a very interesting out come after today's stage.
The one site is showing Sutherland 19:30 behind leaders. it seems WP5/CP2 has given them a hard time
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 04:51:33 pm
Looks like the timing on WP5 went completely out of whack - it is changing erratically (now Bareda seems to have 8 minute loss, before it was 14). So right now we have not clue what is happening.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 09, 2018, 04:52:02 pm
Sadly, so did Bareda - seems like the whole leading group went sightseeing.

I think they did a little more than sightseeing, maybe stopped to build sand castles too
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2018, 04:53:00 pm
Lets give the tracker some recovery time till next WP...  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 04:54:12 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2018, 04:55:49 pm
De Soultrait probably knowing a camera was on him. He doesn't use his front much!

https://gfycat.com/ContentEminentArchaeocete
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 04:56:33 pm
Lets give the tracker some recovery time till next WP...  ::)

There are two options - the tracking is off, or seeing how many backmarkers are now close to the top, there was some kind of waypoint on the way, that the leading group went to collect, while the backmarkers - following Soultrains tracks missed. One more option is that it was one of those places where backmarkers could use chickenroute in exchange for 2 hour penalty - though I doubt that Soultrain would go for that.

In any case, right now we have no idea what is happening and I think we may not know until the end of the stage once penalties get awarded.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Mark Hardy on January 09, 2018, 05:10:16 pm
De Soultrait probably knowing a camera was on him. He doesn't use his front much!

https://gfycat.com/ContentEminentArchaeocete

WOW that is some speed he is maintaining.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 05:27:11 pm
Yesterdays wrap. Subtitles. Autotranslate. If you dare... ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 05:31:31 pm
Two live feeds that are showing cars and back bikes thrashing out of a canyon; should be awesome to see the trucks here. Reckon there will be some serious action in a little while.

https://www.facebook.com/fausto.tayamorales.1/videos/1459071180885655/

https://www.facebook.com/EndoTerra4x4/videos/1516392878470867/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 05:33:39 pm
WP6 hot - Sunderland only 4 seconds behind leader Soutrain. Something is seriously wrong with the tracking.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 05:39:00 pm
WP6 times have changed now and seems to make much better sense.

Big group including all front runners and BB riding together within 10 seconds up front. Bareda now just needs to let AVB win and he gets what I would like to get whould I be in his position.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 06:17:12 pm
Dakar.com:
The race leaders have passed through CP3 (that is WP6) and the leading group is made up of a around fifteen riders who have all got lost after 226 kilometres of the special. They are all looking for the right way and gaps may open up for those who have difficulty finding it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 06:51:35 pm
dakar.com:
Looking good for Van Beveren
Adrien Van Beveren has reached CP4 with a good lead over his rivals. The Yamaha rider took advantage of a regrouping of riders at CP3 to gain a five minute lead over Xavier de Soultrait in second. Stefan Svitko currently lies in provisional third, 7 minutes behind the stage leader.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 07:20:07 pm
Most of the leaders are in the ASS (except Sunderland), but I just cannot make sense of those results. Looks like AVB won (so far so good) but BB lost 10 minutes, Price over 13 minutes. and Sunderland is not even in.

Either some proper drama between WP6 and ASS, or the trackers are just completely off.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 07:22:47 pm
Whoops, sorry left for a bit and yes, drama. Sunderland had crash and is out being evacuated by helicopter. I assume some of the delays were people waiting with him until he got evacuated, so some time may be credited back by orgas.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 09, 2018, 07:50:05 pm
Whoops, sorry left for a bit and yes, drama. Sunderland had crash and is out being evacuated by helicopter. I assume some of the delays were people waiting with him until he got evacuated, so some time may be credited back by orgas.

Ag no man!!!  :BangHead:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2018, 08:03:42 pm
Such a shame about Sunderland, I really liked him.  Where did you get that news Xpat?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 09, 2018, 08:08:07 pm
Whoops, sorry left for a bit and yes, drama. Sunderland had crash and is out being evacuated by helicopter. I assume some of the delays were people waiting with him until he got evacuated, so some time may be credited back by orgas.

this from the Dakar website =  Newsflashes - 09/01 12:04 [GMT -5] - Bike
SUNDERLAND EXITS THE RALLY!
Sam Sunderland has dropped out of the Dakar! The winner in 2017 and current general standings leader has a problem with his back and has been evacuated to the bivouac.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Noneking on January 09, 2018, 08:11:46 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180109/f3a3068eb3bc4ec52e2b2a50f64bdbd1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:14:42 pm
Such a shame about Sunderland, I really liked him.  Where did you get that news Xpat?

advrider + Dakar com.

The description that he 'has a problem with his back' I believe is just crappy translation. From what I've read he had pretty hard fall and may have broken his back - hopefully not seriously. I doubt they are transporting him to bivouac - more likely to a hospital.

Anyway, what we know for sure is he is out. What we don't know is what are the real standings now, because I'm sure somebody will get their time credited back because of waiting with Sam, and probably more significantly for the results, I suspect there are going to be lots of penalties for today due to screwy navigation. I believe Bareda and quite a few others probably waited with Sam, as they were all riding in one big group on WP6 - literaly 10 top riders physically right behind each ohter, so I don't get how they could have got lost (if AVB didn't get lost) or how he has pulled 10 minutes on Bareda within one WP - that just doesn't happen. So I believe the current times will be revisited heavily.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:16:53 pm
Good to see the Yamaha's do well, even sporting a Tenere sticker. What happened to Ricky Brabec ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:17:19 pm
Here are latest unconfirmed information from advrider:

The presenter on FR4 said: Sunderland crashed and rode another 10km before stopping due to pain.

(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/vlcsnap-00038-jpg.1074592/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:18:55 pm
Good to see the Yamaha's do well, even sporting a Tenere sticker. What happened to Ricky Brabec ?

Brabec is in the ASS, so what happened is he finished. Or are you asking about some specific incident?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:19:02 pm
Such a shame about Sunderland, I really liked him.  Where did you get that news Xpat?

advrider + Dakar com.

The description that he 'has a problem with his back' I believe is just crappy translation. From what I've read he had pretty hard fall and may have broken his back - hopefully not seriously. I doubt they are transporting him to bivouac - more likely to a hospital.

Anyway, what we know for sure is he is out. What we don't know is what are the real standings now, because I'm sure somebody will get their time credited back because of waiting with Sam, and probably more significantly for the results, I suspect there are going to be lots of penalties for today due to screwy navigation. I believe Bareda and quite a few others probably waited with Sam, as they were all riding in one big group on WP6 - literaly 10 top riders physically right behind each ohter, so I don't get how they could have got lost (if AVB didn't get lost) or how he has pulled 10 minutes on Bareda within one WP - that just doesn't happen. So I believe the current times will be revisited heavily.
Hope it's not that serious
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 08:20:26 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:20:44 pm
Sam stopped due to back pain

(https://i.imgur.com/Edn4A2S.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:22:40 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.
Up from 20 yesterday  :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:23:33 pm
See Brabec is just in front of Bareda overall
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:24:30 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.

As I said, I seriously doubt those 22 minutes are final number. I would expect it to get less. unless he screwed up somewhere royaly. Do you think BB he can lose 10 minutes on AVB, when on WP 6 they were riding together? The only reasonable explanation to me is technical breakdown or BB stopped for Sunderland. If the later, he should get the time back. The same applies IMO to Price - they were all riding together, I don't see them all out of a blue start running in different directions. And with all the respect to AVB, he is not good enough to pull 10 minutes on BB and 13 minutes on TP within basically two Waypoints.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 08:26:34 pm
Great video of the backmarker bikes been coming through here.

https://www.facebook.com/fausto.tayamorales.1/videos/1459071180885655/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 08:27:44 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.

As I said, I seriously doubt those 22 minutes are final number. I would expect it to get less. unless he screwed up somewhere royaly. Do you think BB he can lose 10 minutes on AVB, when on WP 6 they were riding together? The only reasonable explanation to me is technical breakdown or BB stopped for Sunderland. If the later, he should get the time back. The same applies IMO to Price - they were all riding together, I don't see them all out of a blue start running in different directions. And with all the respect to AVB, he is not good enough to pull 10 minutes on BB and 13 minutes on TP within basically two Waypoints.

I have not been following as closely as you have, so cannot really comment. I simply assume AVB was near the front as of yesterday no?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2018, 08:30:19 pm
Thanks for all that info Xpat, glad he could still move and ride a bit after the crash.

Guess all the affected times will be adjusted soon with Bareda maybe still taking the stage.  I heard from a guy who also attended the KTM new model launch with Sam that he wanted to make this his last year of doing the Dakar as navigation rallies have just become so dangerous when you're fighting at the top.  Road books can literally mean life or death as you race flat taps, trusting that it's correct.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:31:30 pm
Pending penalties and time credits, I think the whole thing is wide open. AVB will be opening tomorrow and judging on his performance close to the front on Day 2, the chances are he is going to screw up royaly - sorry, not wishing him any harm, just trying to keep it real.

And everybody else ahead of Bareda in overal standings - with exception of Price and Soultrain who did impress today by opening and still riding great pace, even if not winning - has good potential to screw up IMO. Most of them have history of screwing up or are too young and unexperiences to get it all right all the way to the finish.Walkner is now highest KTM, but while he is fast - he sucks at navigation (at least used to) and I got an impression last year that is a bit of whinger/moaner (don't remember the incident, but something happened that he didn't come through with flying colors).

So I think Bareda is far from finished - especially if he get some time back today as I suspect he will (and assuming he is not going to get some huge penalty, which with him is also possible).
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:38:43 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.

As I said, I seriously doubt those 22 minutes are final number. I would expect it to get less. unless he screwed up somewhere royaly. Do you think BB he can lose 10 minutes on AVB, when on WP 6 they were riding together? The only reasonable explanation to me is technical breakdown or BB stopped for Sunderland. If the later, he should get the time back. The same applies IMO to Price - they were all riding together, I don't see them all out of a blue start running in different directions. And with all the respect to AVB, he is not good enough to pull 10 minutes on BB and 13 minutes on TP within basically two Waypoints.

I have not been following as closely as you have, so cannot really comment. I simply assume AVB was near the front as of yesterday no?

From memory so may not be 100% - AVB came second in stage 2 and yesterday lost 13 minutes on the winner. So he definitely doesn't look great at the sharp end. Not sure - he might have had technical problems, but I didn't hear anything about that. As I said, AVB was riding with BB, Price, Sam, Soultrain, Svitko and few others on WP6 literally all lined up in one minute (I mean physically not result-wise) - so they were riding as one big group. At least that is what tracker was showing and dakar.com also said so. So I just don't see AVB managing somehow to tear himself away within less than 2 waipoints and gain 10 minutes or more on BB and TP. If it would be just one of them I would suspect technical problems.

But we will see hopefully still tonight or tomorrow. I do have a history of being mostly wrong on this things  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2018, 08:39:53 pm
If Bam Bam does not put his foot in his mouth along with the Honda team i might be inclined to shout for him as he is becoming a bit of an underdog.

Toby is a solid boy though, I must say it would be awesome for him to win again. Since his femur, it does seem though that he is not as fast as he was a couple of years ago. Understandable.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:42:41 pm
Not sure about the source:

“I’ve just spoken with Sam, it seems that when he was searching for one of the WPC (Way Point Control) he jumped into a big hole and suffered a big compression. He felt a sharp pain in his back immediately, but carried on for another 5km before stopping again due to the pain and a lack of feeling in his legs."
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:45:22 pm
AVB has the potential. Lets be honest I doubt Yamaha has the resources or R&D of Honda and KTM when it comes to Dakar (are they even full factory ?). Anyway I see he had a 9th in 2016 and 4th in 2017 now that is not bad at all certainly moving in the right direction.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 09, 2018, 08:46:46 pm
Not sure about the source:

“I’ve just spoken with Sam, it seems that when he was searching for one of the WPC (Way Point Control) he jumped into a big hole and suffered a big compression. He felt a sharp pain in his back immediately, but carried on for another 5km before stopping again due to the pain and a lack of feeling in his legs."

I'm guessing herniated disc (s) if he has numbness in his legs.

Sad, nobody wants to see a rider go out for a reason like that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:48:40 pm
AVB has the potential. Lets be honest I doubt Yamaha has the resources or R&D of Honda and KTM when it comes to Dakar (are they even full factory ?). Anyway I see he had a 9th in 2016 and 4th in 2017 now that is not bad at all certainly moving in the right direction.

Just to be sure I'm not saying he is bad and of course do not wish him any harm. I just don't understand what he was doing yesterday losing 13 minutes - I guess he got taken off track by BB when he go lost. And he is opening tomorrow, so I just have a little concern if his navigation is not going to betray him. But of course, I wish him good luck.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2018, 08:54:19 pm
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AVB has the potential. Lets be honest I doubt Yamaha has the resources or R&D of Honda and KTM when it comes to Dakar (are they even full factory ?). Anyway I see he had a 9th in 2016 and 4th in 2017 now that is not bad at all certainly moving in the right direction.
No , Yamaha is not full factory, company in France build the bikes.
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 08:56:28 pm
Yo, interesting day. Bummer for Sam.
At the more interesting end of the field, Donovan and Willem are both through WP6, Gerry and Wessel both through WP4.
Willem has no time at WP5, which could be tracker issue or maybe he missed it?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2018, 08:58:19 pm
AVB has the potential. Lets be honest I doubt Yamaha has the resources or R&D of Honda and KTM when it comes to Dakar (are they even full factory ?). Anyway I see he had a 9th in 2016 and 4th in 2017 now that is not bad at all certainly moving in the right direction.

Just to be sure I'm not saying he is bad and of course do not wish him any harm. I just don't understand what he was doing yesterday losing 13 minutes - I guess he got taken off track by BB when he go lost. And he is opening tomorrow, so I just have a little concern if his navigation is not going to betray him. But of course, I wish him good luck.
Will be good test for him
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 08:59:30 pm
Here is the whole leading group in what I suspect is WP6 - I can see Svitko there and Hondas clearly. As you can see it was a bit of cluster f@CK jostling each other to get through the check:

(https://i.imgur.com/65y50Pg.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: XTZFegen on January 09, 2018, 09:02:16 pm
Not sure about the source:

“I’ve just spoken with Sam, it seems that when he was searching for one of the WPC (Way Point Control) he jumped into a big hole and suffered a big compression. He felt a sharp pain in his back immediately, but carried on for another 5km before stopping again due to the pain and a lack of feeling in his legs."

I'm guessing herniated disc (s) if he has numbness in his legs.

Sad, nobody wants to see a rider go out for a reason like that.

Hopefully a disc. I think you about right there.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:06:34 pm
And the leading group riding together, with Soultrain almost losing it:


(https://i.imgur.com/unxIUkC.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2018, 09:07:49 pm
Anyone know what happend to GDV and Nasser?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:09:04 pm
KTM dudes looking lost:

(https://i.imgur.com/HQs3TLj.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2018, 09:21:17 pm
I really like the 2 x frogs in front, especially Van Beveren.  They are fun to watch and appear like they enjoy every moment without that overly serious look from so many other competitors. The record of Van Beveren in the Dakar is quite brilliant and he might just be the first happy Frenchman to win the Dakar  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 09:26:15 pm
Adrien van Beveren: "It's really special"

The Yamaha rider posted the best time of the day and has taken over the lead in the general standings following the withdrawal of title holder Sam Sunderland.

“It’s really special. I started in the second line, so it was good. I had a good fight with Barreda at the beginning of the stage. After that I was very thirsty, so I took my time - the Dakar will not be won over 100 kilometres. I told myself I had to be calm and wait for the moment to pass the riders in front of me. When we arrived in the dunes, I had the opportunity to come back. I’m happy because I came back and caught everybody and then I opened the way for more than one hundred kilometres in the end. Xavier was with me so it was super fun to ride. I pushed a bit, but, you know, to win the special by ten seconds or by one minute, it's better to win by one minute, so it’s cool. I’m happy”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:29:49 pm
Steve, looking at the tracking and times, it looks tonight's graveyard shift waiting for Wessel may be a long one. You may need to sit it out without me - sorry  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:36:03 pm
Lyndon's take on the stage:  https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/vb.133067113494010/1180399792094065/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/vb.133067113494010/1180399792094065/?type=2&theater)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Half - Bac on January 09, 2018, 09:41:34 pm
Oh Shit. I get on a couple of conference calls and you guys go and wipe out the leader. 

Hope it is not that serious! Not good.  :-\ :'(

Like I said a couple of hourse ago, JBB is not out of the race, just so long has he finishes every stage...now just 22 minutes behind the overall leader (van Beveren). That is one nav. error away. Still he has 12 others to beat apart from that as things stand now.

As I said, I seriously doubt those 22 minutes are final number. I would expect it to get less. unless he screwed up somewhere royaly. Do you think BB he can lose 10 minutes on AVB, when on WP 6 they were riding together? The only reasonable explanation to me is technical breakdown or BB stopped for Sunderland. If the later, he should get the time back. The same applies IMO to Price - they were all riding together, I don't see them all out of a blue start running in different directions. And with all the respect to AVB, he is not good enough to pull 10 minutes on BB and 13 minutes on TP within basically two Waypoints.

I have not been following as closely as you have, so cannot really comment. I simply assume AVB was near the front as of yesterday no?

From memory so may not be 100% - AVB came second in stage 2 and yesterday lost 13 minutes on the winner. So he definitely doesn't look great at the sharp end. Not sure - he might have had technical problems, but I didn't hear anything about that. As I said, AVB was riding with BB, Price, Sam, Soultrain, Svitko and few others on WP6 literally all lined up in one minute (I mean physically not result-wise) - so they were riding as one big group. At least that is what tracker was showing and dakar.com also said so. So I just don't see AVB managing somehow to tear himself away within less than 2 waipoints and gain 10 minutes or more on BB and TP. If it would be just one of them I would suspect technical problems.

But we will see hopefully still tonight or tomorrow. I do have a history of being mostly wrong on this things  ;)
You also need to factor in corrected timing. AVB and co started in the second group of 15 riders of the mass start today - 5 minutes behind the first group of 15. If they were all together at WP6, then AVB had got there 5 minutes faster than the riders that started in the first 15 - those that were at WP6 with him, that is.
So at least half of the time that he gained was achieved BEFORE the WP6 assembly point.


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 09:45:07 pm
Gerry at WP6, also missing a time for WP5.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 09:46:56 pm
Matthias Walkner fb

Hello in the home !! Finally over! Course 3 is of course very positive. But that was already extremely tough today. It was a bit of a chaotic day today one of the days you would rather avoid. Everyone was struggling today. We started on the beach in motocross style. Always 15 together. That sure looks casual, but we've already fought with hands and feet. Everyone has lost their lives to get a reasonably good position. After all, no one wants to do the executive work and thus the navigation, but everyone wants the second, third or fourth position right behind the leader. I grabbed the second position first, but then I lost a bit. In the course of the stage I was in a good group and it went well, until we came to an extremely long dune section. Everyone had something to do. I have never experienced such soft dunes! My bike was buried in a small pit, I almost could not get out. The warning lights for oil pressure and water temperature have stopped glowing. It was really on the limit! ⚠️ When I fought back to the group, the 'worst case' happened: namely, the first one drove on, as we should have driven according to the Roadbook. So now 20 people have been criss-crossing to look for the right lane. In the end, it worked out anyway, but I lost a quarter of an hour and then gave it a lot of throttle. With the anger in my stomach, I drove much too fast for the last 100 kilometers. At the finish it was okay. But I hope I do not have to go that far too often. Unfortunately, my buddy Sam Sunderland had to give up on the Dakar I don't know anything yet, but he got his back in case of a fall. I hope it's not bad. But really a pity that the defending champion is out. I'm sorry, Sam Sunderland! Get well soon!

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/q82/s720x720/26220706_1863812053631282_5643596231210659003_o.jpg?oh=e4d68b6ed5e2ae7e5bfd6185de34cccb&oe=5AB5A279)

(https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-0/p552x414/26232570_1863812033631284_2032571825935281375_o.jpg?oh=75371a9a3424608b86857668ea83a633&oe=5AED90CF)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2018, 09:48:57 pm

You also need to factor in corrected timing. AVB and co started in the second group of 15 riders of the mass start today - 5 minutes behind the first group of 15. If they were all together at WP6, then AVB had got there 5 minutes faster than the riders that started in the first 15 - those that were at WP6 with him, that is.
So at least half of the time that he gained was achieved BEFORE the WP6 assembly point.


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Yes and no. I was primarily refering to Bareda, who was also in the second group, so the 5 minutes didn't aply and AVB made full 10 minutes on Bareda in those two last waypoints because they were together on WP6. But your comment is valid for TP - he didn't lose 13 minutes in those 2 waipoints, but only 8, as he started in the first group 5 minutes ahead.

Thanks for clarifying.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2018, 10:08:18 pm
Thanks for the gif's or vids Xpat soultrain having a bigmoment there - I think the MX style starts are great spectator value but cause a bit of a nightmare at the checkpoints


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: tau on January 09, 2018, 10:09:01 pm
AvB is mal, I like the guy and he is crazy fast on sand, just a little to ragged edge.

Barreda is the same just on a ref bike and better on hardpack.

Toby se been is seer en sy hare is vuil. Hy is ook redelik onfiks.

Meo en Walkner is sterk contenders.

Maar ek sal like as AVB wen.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 10:13:51 pm
Donovan, David, Willem all at ASS  :thumleft:
Gerry and Wessel still out in the sandpit.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 09, 2018, 10:26:27 pm
I have to admit, this oke rides sand better than I do. Bit faster too.....

(https://i.imgur.com/2k8Mu0J.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 12:16:50 am
Come on Gerry
Come on Wessel
 :lamer:
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 12:19:16 am
Wessel still only through WP4. Right now by far the last bike on the track. And back at the bivouac he still needs to do all the maintenance and stuff as he rides Malle Moto. The snowball is building up too fast for comfort.

Come one Wessel, bring it home:

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 12:26:26 am
From ADV:

WP6 Local time
129 - GERRY VAN DER BYL (ZAF)
+03:23:17 14:17:38
124 - JERI CORNO (PER)
+03:30:24 14:24:45
131 - JHON TREJOS (COL)
+04:23:34 15:17:55
134 - GABRIELE MINELLI (ITA)
+04:52:28 15:46:49
WP4 Local time
099 - WESSEL BOSMAN (LSO)
+01:48:47 11:55:51
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 12:52:11 am
On ADV:
DAKAR 2018 Day IV the nightmares

(http://www.vleporama.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/9-Colors-Dakar-Rally-font-b-Racing-b-font-Reflective-Vinyl-font-b-Decal-b-font.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 01:45:04 am
I'm getting worried. Wessel shows no movement for past few hours. It may be tracking glitch, but many riders commented how difficult the dunes were in second half, so I'm afraid he may be stuck in one of those trap bowls we have seen yesterday. On his own.

Well as long as he is not on withdrawal list, there is hope. Come on Wessel, bring it home!

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 02:12:58 am
Wessel in the ASS!  :thumleft:

F@CK, and I have planned an early night!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 02:14:21 am
Yeah Wessel   :ricky:

Gerry, time to pull finger now. Enough playing in the sand, time to go to the bivvy.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 02:17:53 am
Laia blog

The dust in suspension slows Laia Sanz on a little auspicious day
The Soficat Xerox driver has not found her rhythm and has finished 25th in the fourth stage, 25 minutes from the first.
"It was not a good day and I lost some position, but it is also true that in this Dakar ten minutes are nothing. There is still everything to be done. "

Today's difficult day for Laia Sanz in the fourth stage of the Dakar Rally, with start and finish in San Juan de Marcona, 330 kilometers timed and 114 for the link. The Soficat Xerox driver has had his worst day, has struggled to find the pace and has finally finished in 25th position, at 25:05 of the first. In the general, it is 19th to 44:56 of the leader.
The special started with an online start in groups of fifteen motocross-style bikes. Laia Sanz came out in the first round with energy, but after a while the terrain has become very dusty and that has taken its toll on the Spanish multi-champion, who has not been able to shoot at ease for much of the stage.
"At the beginning I rolled for 150 kilometers with a lot of dust from the front. I could not run to my liking and I have not found the rhythm all day. After that part I did go a little better, but I found a rider [Walter Nosoglia] and I stopped two or three minutes to help him. It has not been a long time, but enough for those who had behind to reach me and again I had to shoot in the dust, "laments Corbera de Llobregat.

In the second part of the special, the pilots have had to overcome an area of dunes of great difficulty that have not been conducive: "There was a waypoint very difficult to locate with some lost pilots looking for it and there I also gave a little time . I think I had never found sand so soft as today. When I was shooting with Joan Pedrero and another driver I was hooked a couple of times and I lost sight of them, "he explains.
When crossing the finish line, the Soficat Xerox driver and the KTM Factory Racing Team were upset by the development of the day, although relativizing the result: "It was not a good day and I lost some position, but it is also true that this Dakar ten minutes are nothing. There is still everything to be done.
"Tomorrow Wednesday, fifth stage between San Juan de Marcona and Arequipa, with 266 timed kilometers and 508 of links. "We will find a special similar to today, but I hope it comes out better,"
says Laia Sanz.

(http://news.mediage.es/images/1/Dakar2018_Laia/Dakar18_E4_Laia_1_M.jpg)
(http://news.mediage.es/images/1/Dakar2018_Laia/Dakar18_E4_Laia_2_M.jpg)(http://news.mediage.es/images/1/Dakar2018_Laia/Dakar18_E4_Laia_3_M.jpg)(http://news.mediage.es/images/1/Dakar2018_Laia/Dakar18_E4_Laia_4_M.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 02:19:23 am
Chavo twitter

We begin to climb positions. We are already 28th in the general standings, after a very tough stage. My support for Fabricio Fuentes and Walter Nosiglia Jr., friends who today suffered accidents and were left out. Let them recover and soon we will see each other again in the race.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTIyPgjV4AAbD2T.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 03:34:38 am
Gerry made it, 20:01:52@ASS.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 03:37:22 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 05:18:55 am
FB Sam:

''Thank you for all the kind messages, sorry to be out so soon and let down my team and supporters, I’m currently sat here feeling pretty lucky it’s a scary thing to loose the feeling in your legs but now it’s ok, I still have some pain from 2 squashed discs but I will be ok soon enough. Good luck to my team for the rest of the race''
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2018, 05:29:57 am
Phew that's a relief!

How are things following the Dakar from New Zealand Steve? A little bit weird to wake up and find the guys racing for hours huh? ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2018, 05:39:44 am
Mid-stage service.  :eek7:  >:D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTIMVENVwAAv7pj.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2018, 06:13:40 am
TP twitter

Damn today was tough, we thought starting in a big group was going to be a nice Sunday ride but turns out it was absolute chaos! I struggled to find a waypoint which is what cost me that 11min we lost today. All in all we finished Stage 4 in 15th but I’m not stressed!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTIVUonV4AELfCS.jpg)


Van Beveren
(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/26232930_1693474804045153_3010489526559916937_o-jpg.1074777/)

I am not getting tired of watching these bikes flow through the sand.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 10, 2018, 07:42:00 am
To put your hopes on Hilux is like supporting the Springboks! How did the 4x4 get stuck while Peugeot did not. Eish! I dont see a first place finish there anymore.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 10, 2018, 08:04:22 am
To put your hopes on Hilux is like supporting the Springboks! How did the 4x4 get stuck while Peugeot did not. Eish! I dont see a first place finish there anymore.
From Glynn last night: We just saw Ten Brinke and Nasser at the end of the stage. BTB had the best day of the the Toyotas, but in the end all three lost most of their time due to punctures and getting stuck in the dunes. Bear in mind that the buggies have tyre inflation/deflation on the fly, while our cars have manual inflation. This is a major advantage for the 2WD cars. The good news, in the circumstances, is that all three our cars ran faultlessly, and handled the high temperatures of the desert without any problems. It is early days yet, but there’s a mountain to climb after a really tough day in the dunes.

So lighter vehicles with bigger tyres and auto inflation is their advantage versus Toyota’s 4x4
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 10, 2018, 08:04:22 am
To put your hopes on Hilux is like supporting the Springboks! How did the 4x4 get stuck while Peugeot did not. Eish! I dont see a first place finish there anymore.
The buggy's are allowed bigger wheels and they have on-board tyre inflation/ deflation, which the Hilux does not have. So they have a massive advantage in the dunes. This is however the last year that we will see the buggy's with the big wheels.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:04:51 am
Gerry via FB

This is a very short update! Today was crazy. I got stuck in some holes in the biggest dunes I’ve ever seen today! To try to explain how big they are, my ears have to equalize on the way up and on the way down! 3km straight up! Also experienced some of what the altitude will be like, cause my reaction time was way slower than normal on the top of the dunes!

Was stuck in holes for more than 4 hours, and it totally exhausted me. But I somehow managed to finish the day.  I have now competed 4 Dakar stages! But I have to say today I almost called for an evacuation!
I arrived at the finish after 20h30, then had a quick protein shake, shower, dinner, massage for my back that’s hurt from trying to get out of one of the holes! Then marked my roadbook for tomorrow, and now going to sleep.
I had some great footage on my Dakar GoPro today, but the mount broke, and I lost their camera!
Let’s hope tomorrow is just a little easier than today!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:06:14 am
Donovan:

https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/564267893927889/   at the mass start

https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/564268503927828/   looking a bit tired at the end.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:10:42 am
Willem:

https://www.facebook.com/willemdakar/videos/803855229803898/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 10, 2018, 08:18:22 am
Looks like Cyril Dupres is out, anyone know why? Mechanical?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:23:12 am
Not sure if it has been linked yet

https://www.youtube.com/v/nchhpwUNIAk
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:25:36 am




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:28:13 am
Oops, too late.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:40:03 am
Looks like Cyril Dupres is out, anyone know why? Mechanical?

Is Cyril no 308?

That last video of Steve it seems he broke the  one rear axle clean out the car.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:42:19 am
Trucks and quads

https://www.youtube.com/v/cJpnFCNcL1U
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 10, 2018, 08:47:43 am
Looks like Cyril Dupres is out, anyone know why? Mechanical?

Is Cyril no 308?

That last video of Steve it seems he broke the  one rear axle clean out the car.

Yes 308.

Not listed as a stage finisher yesterday.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:50:16 am
308
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 10, 2018, 08:50:56 am
yip 308 Stuffed car up by hitting a rock
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:52:10 am
Coronel

https://www.youtube.com/v/KJTffsVhjZ8

https://www.youtube.com/v/N1JanyF12UA
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 08:52:59 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZV9-GF9zjLg&
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 10, 2018, 09:05:47 am
This thread is going faster than I can follow, great info thanks, gents.
Its a pity that Sam is out, I don't like Walkner very much, and I think Toby is a little slow this year, reckon he is unfit and lacking some confidence not been racing all year.

I'm not sure how I feel about Barreda, but I quite like AvB and Quintanilla!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 10, 2018, 09:23:43 am
This thread is going faster than I can follow, great info thanks, gents.
Its a pity that Sam is out, I don't like Walkner very much, and I think Toby is a little slow this year, reckon he is unfit and lacking some confidence not been racing all year.

I'm not sure how I feel about Barreda, but I quite like AvB and Quintanilla!

Ja, its getting difficult to call, which is good.
Recently I started liking De Soultrait as well. Not sure whether he is fast enough nor whether his team is up to it though.

Also, on your point about TB, the fact that he raced with Laia and didn't drop her, probably says more about his lack of conditioning than her supreme talent. Well, thats if I'm correct that he caught her but they then stayed together.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2018, 09:31:08 am
The last video from Coronel show a still image of 308 in a dismantled state.  So I presume Cyril tried to fix his car?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 10, 2018, 09:46:54 am
This thread is going faster than I can follow, great info thanks, gents.
Its a pity that Sam is out, I don't like Walkner very much, and I think Toby is a little slow this year, reckon he is unfit and lacking some confidence not been racing all year.

I'm not sure how I feel about Barreda, but I quite like AvB and Quintanilla!

Ja, its getting difficult to call, which is good.
Recently I started liking De Soultrait as well. Not sure whether he is fast enough nor whether his team is up to it though.

Also, on your point about TB, the fact that he raced with Laia and didn't drop her, probably says more about his lack of conditioning than her supreme talent. Well, thats if I'm correct that he caught her but they then stayed together.
Don, TB did his conditioning training in the Stevenson desert in Aussie, think he is staying in touch and sure as hell that leg must be at the forefront of his thoughts.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 10, 2018, 10:02:57 am
I would never be able to do this in a car. It looks so cramped and visibility is poor. How do you drive on unknown dunes like that? The only advantages are comfort on the liasons and safety.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 10, 2018, 10:07:50 am
I would never be able to do this in a car. It looks so cramped and visibility is poor. How do you drive on unknown dunes like that? The only advantages are comfort on the liasons and safety.

Airconditioning.
Less exposure to elements.
Communication with someone else.
Eat while you drive.
Can drink different drinks while in stage, not just whats in hydration pack.
Carry power tools to work on car.
Etc etc....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2018, 10:08:29 am
I would never be able to do this in a car. It looks so cramped and visibility is poor. How do you drive on unknown dunes like that? The only advantages are comfort on the liasons and safety.

It is much harder on a bike I suspect. You are much more protected in the car so your odds of surviving an accident is much better on stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 10:12:01 am
From Scott Brinell via FB. He is riding Malle Moto. Tough bugger clearly.

Quick update after Stage 4:
Yesterday I stuck to my plan of focusing on getting the navigation squared. Unless your up with the front runners, it just doesn’t make sense to push! I would have said that yesterday was an honest slog. At the refuel yesterday before a short 200km liaison, I noticed that my fork leg had come completely unscrewed and was pissing oil bad. I managed to save the thread from damage and had to stop every 15-20km to tighten it by hand.

Last night I tightened it properly, and took a very bad shortcut (assuming that all the oil had leaked out),
So tipped in a complete quantity. That’s where things started to go bad for me today.

After a short liaison on the highway, we rode 5km off track to the beach start. I noticed that something wasn’t right with the suspension. I normally have a full 300+ mm of very nice suspension. Today it was offering less than a quarter of that. The bike was like riding a brick, and I knew I was in for a challenging day. Straight off the beach, the first lump I hit, threw me clean off in a pile of dust. I persisted for another 100km of some pretty gnarly rocks. Pure focus on trying to avoid anything bigger than a cricket ball, as I knew it wasn’t going to end well.

Eventually, after a few close calls, I decided to stop and remove the bleed valve m, pump the forks a lot and watch the fork spit some of the excess oil all over me and the bike.

So, now with still less than a third of suspension Travel, it was time to tackle some pretty wicked dunes. Being cautious still, the dunes were thought work, and resulted in burning my clutch out.

Tough gig from there, with regular stops to let the engine cool off, and regain some composure. Also stopped to help a Bolivian quad rider get his quad out of a predicament that cost me another hour and another cup full of calories!!

Limped Home and set to work on sorting the forks and replacing the clutch, along with the usual servicing needs!

A quick pit stop to the medical tent for some patching, a shower and a feed.

Now it’s 11:00pm and I’m up and at again at 4:00am.

Tomorrow is claimed to be the toughest dunes on this year’s schedule. Think I’ll sleep on it and worry about tomorrow when somebody kicks me in the ribs to get up!

Tomorrow is the first serious liaison after a 260km Stage, it’s another 400 boring road miles!! Yay..

The body is a little beaten, but the spirit is still where it needs to be to face whatever they throw at us in the morn....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 10:19:47 am
I have been trying to workout the routes.

After not making any sense of today, I finally figured out that the official profile for the bikes is actually for the cars. They swapped it to make it tough to guess, the fuckers! I still think that the route is in the general direction that they show, just that they've swapped the profiles.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ama ride ride on January 10, 2018, 10:20:35 am
Trucks and quads

https://www.youtube.com/v/cJpnFCNcL1U

Thanks

Love the trucks
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Berty77 on January 10, 2018, 10:21:55 am
Subscrided
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2018, 10:26:54 am
Sad news about Sunderland.......not good

Saw that big hole in the dunes on telly last night.... one car guy got there at 10 and was getting dark in the clip, SERRIAAS DUNES.....eish man
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 10, 2018, 10:41:31 am
Dakar Daily - Day 4 on RedBull TV  :thumleft:

https://www.redbull.tv/live/AP-1TPGKRJUD2111/dakar-rally
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 10:55:26 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: weskus on January 10, 2018, 11:35:21 am
Never a dull moment it seems this year again.. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 10, 2018, 11:52:31 am
GdV stuck.... all the Toyotas had loads of punctures and battled with tire pressure in the sand. Today's stage is going to be more of the same....  :P

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26219238_576459692693700_7663968848796386270_n.jpg?oh=fe52458312d2d60e391c94820c2672eb&oe=5AB66DAA)

Great photo of Adrien Van Beveren.  :thumleft:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26232930_1693474804045153_3010489526559916937_o.jpg?oh=5de35a242111b8ba89c20a628c7f4d64&oe=5AF0C64A)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 11:55:42 am
 The bikes/quads and the cars/SxS/Trucks are on different routes, but there's some interesting things that will affect the dynamic; the routes will cross and at times follow each other.

For much of the first half of the race the cars are on fresh tracks, this will make navigation tough for those who get it wrong. Then it gets even trickier... The sections I've marked as 3 and underlined in red are nearly but not the same. They go through an incredibly high and huge dune field - the same one from yesterday that caused so much bother. More though, it's going to be confusing for the cars as not only will they have the tracks from yesterday and the bike tracks from today, but not long after that, the part I've marked as section 2, the cars will follow, with what seems like very small differences, the bike tracks till the end of the stage.

These small difference may be where big penalties are picked up by the cars. The navigators are going to have to stay on their toes.

The bikes will, until very near the end, be on fresh trail when they hit the car tracks in the big dunes. So, the bikes will have the car tracks to follow late in the day and for the quicker guys who don't navigate so well, this might be a bonus.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-77sJfDK/3/2339e4ca/L/Stage%206%20profile-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-77sJfDK/A)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 10, 2018, 12:15:57 pm
The bikes/quads and the cars/SxS/Trucks are on different routes, but there's some interesting things that will affect the dynamic; the routes will cross and at times follow each other.

For much of the first half of the race the cars are on fresh tracks, this will make navigation tough for those who get it wrong. Then it gets even trickier... The sections I've marked as 3 and underlined in red are nearly but not the same. They go through an incredibly high and huge dune field - the same one from yesterday that caused so much bother. More though, it's going to be confusing for the cars as not only will they have the tracks from yesterday and the bike tracks from today, but not long after that, the part I've marked as section 2, the cars will follow, with what seems like very small differences, the bike tracks till the end of the stage.

These small difference may be where big penalties are picked up by the cars. The navigators are going to have to stay on their toes.

The bikes will, until very near the end, be on fresh trail when they hit the car tracks in the big dunes. So, the bikes will have the car tracks to follow late in the day and for the quicker guys who don't navigate so well, this might be a bonus.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-77sJfDK/2/f1875148/L/Stage%206%20profile-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-77sJfDK/A)

WOW - The organisers are really throwing everything at the guys this year. Loving this
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 12:29:54 pm
Green is today for bikes and red was yesterday for all. It's a really raw track and conforms to a rough degree with the profile but is not actual. Lots of guesswork.

Yesterdays (red) was more accurate for the first half at least.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-JRQHhnT/0/3b2aaa6e/L/stage%204%20%26%205%20guesss-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-JRQHhnT/A)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 10, 2018, 12:32:59 pm
some of stage 4
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 10, 2018, 01:08:14 pm
Some REALLY great pics out there
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2018, 01:27:23 pm
Epic work Kamanya! Thanks!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 10, 2018, 01:48:25 pm
An open race for sure. With Sunderland out and TP still building up confidence & fitness, who's going to be the new champ..?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Motties on January 10, 2018, 03:05:03 pm
Late SUBS for me this year. Thanks for all the updates and info  :thumleft:

I think (hope) JBB will take it this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 10, 2018, 03:22:46 pm
The two Yamaha's leading the pack today, AvB and Soultrait first at WP4. JBB fastest at WP3, 8 min faster than Walkner!

(https://s10.postimg.org/73hw743cp/WP4.png)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 03:30:26 pm
As I suspected based on Stage 2 AVB is not feeling best navigating from the front. Barreda already gained almost 13 minutes on him cuting the 22 minute lead AVB had in the overall standings by more then half. And that is only WP3...

Price on the other hand is really not pushing at all - even though he also gained over 2 minutes on AVB. The question is whether his heart is just notfully  in it or if he is just bidding his time to strike later
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 03:32:41 pm
At this pace JBB will probably wipe of the whole 22 minutes off AVB by the end of this stage. But of couse so would others who are ahead of JBB in overal standings.

What and intriguing Dakar this is. I think it would be a nice ending if JBB for once doesn't screw up and wins coming from the back. But that is still long way away...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 10, 2018, 03:36:00 pm
On the flip side, he may be expending too much energy shaving time, which will come back to haunt him in the final days.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 03:46:20 pm
On the flip side, he may be expending too much energy shaving time, which will come back to haunt him in the final days.

I don't think he has problem with energy. Self-control though - that is completely different matter. He seems to be ridding like man possessed which is usuall right before disaster strucks. And the question is, how he is going to do tomorrow opening from the front. Even though from tomorrow we should be out of dunes and into WRC stuff which does not require as much navigation, I'm sure Coma has some nasties up his sleeve...

But let's hope Barreda can pull this one out. It would be great for him to break the curse.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Buff on January 10, 2018, 03:59:37 pm
Price on the other hand is really not pushing at all - even though he also gained over 2 minutes on AVB. The question is whether his heart is just notfully  in it or if he is just bidding his time to strike later

I think he learned a valuable lesson last year after breaking his femur that the race is not won in the first week. There he panicked when losing time in the previous days stage and tried to make it all up the following day before disaster struck.
My guess is he's just getting into the swing of things this week and will then chose a stage that suits him to drop the big hammer  :thumleft: Toby for the win  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 04:05:26 pm
Price on the other hand is really not pushing at all - even though he also gained over 2 minutes on AVB. The question is whether his heart is just notfully  in it or if he is just bidding his time to strike later

I think he learned a valuable lesson last year after breaking his femur that the race is not won in the first week. There he panicked when losing time in the previous days stage and tried to make it all up the following day before disaster struck.
My guess is he's just getting into the swing of things this week and will then chose a stage that suits him to drop the big hammer  :thumleft: Toby for the win  :ricky:

Well I root for him as well, but I am afraid he is not really in it. As late as October he was still on crutches (as they had to replace the pin/rod in the leg he received initially in LaPaz) and he is visibly fat (so much so that on advrider they call him now Toby Pie - with all respect and as a sign of affection of course). I kind of get a feeling that his heart is not really into this - its a job he needs to do. But I am probably wrong and actually would be quite glad if I am.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2018, 04:10:59 pm
Brilliant coverage and pictures guys.

Loving the daily video from Lyndon Poskitt, Malle Moto.......same as Brett did a few years ago. Really get the inside story
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dwerg on January 10, 2018, 04:11:29 pm
Brabec doing well again. I wonder what happened yesterday?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: markdiver on January 10, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
At this pace JBB will probably wipe of the whole 22 minutes off AVB by the end of this stage. But of couse so would others who are ahead of JBB in overal standings.

What and intriguing Dakar this is. I think it would be a nice ending if JBB for once doesn't screw up and wins coming from the back. But that is still long way away...

Unless JBB is riding beyond his usual capabilities - time will tell.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 04:17:01 pm
In ASS1 JBB basically wiped ou the whole time difference between himself and Toby Price in general standings. I know it is early days, but I think it just shows that either Toby is taking it extremely easy, or he is not fully in it. At the end of the day he is also following tracks and not extremely busy with navigation so should be able to keep the pace a bit.

Either that or JBB is about to selfdestruct every minute now...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 04:22:41 pm
What is happening with Pablo Q???

He is 25 minutes down in ASS1. That is massive loss considering yesterday he was second in the overall losing only about 1 minute on leading AVB.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2018, 04:48:34 pm
What is happening with Pablo Q???

He is 25 minutes down in ASS1. That is massive loss considering yesterday he was second in the overall losing only about 1 minute on leading AVB.

Crashed on the beach. Got back up again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: markdiver on January 10, 2018, 04:55:28 pm
Looks like Gerry & Wessel may be struggling, still not at WP1.  Anyone have info on them?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 04:57:25 pm
Looks like Gerry & Wessel may be struggling, still not at WP1.  Anyone have info on them?

No info, but Peterhansel said this is the toughest sand yet on the rally and the concern is that backmarkers will really struggle today. As if they didn't in prior stages...

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 10, 2018, 05:13:46 pm
There will be a lot of changes in general standings after today, in all categories.
Loeb lost almost 3 hours getting stuck in dunes.
As it stands now there is less than a min separating top 3 in the Bikes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 05:14:32 pm
BamBam in the ASS. Made over 10 minutes on second Walkner. Unless he took shortcuts, his 'balls to the wall' approach paid off this time.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 05:44:45 pm
So, after his Kamikadze ride BamBam moved to 4th position in overal standings - 7 minutes behind leading AVB. He is also 2 positions and 3 minutes ahead of TP. Not bad for a day worth of work...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 10, 2018, 06:02:18 pm
Eish, Gerry and Willie still not through the first checkpoint!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: roxenz on January 10, 2018, 06:19:16 pm
I'm dead impressed by Donovan. For a Dakar rookie and privateer I reckon he is doing brilliantly!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2018, 06:23:22 pm
Sebastien Loeb is out of the race. Seems his navigator got injured  :-\

https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2018/stage-5/car/sebastien-loeb-right-now-i-dont-think-we-can-go-on
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2018, 06:24:49 pm
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/25025625_169151423846309_5955115981473841152_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 10, 2018, 06:34:41 pm
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/25025625_169151423846309_5955115981473841152_n.jpg)
Dit is soortgelyke plekke waar Nasser en GDV gister vasgesit het.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2018, 06:36:41 pm
Eish, Gerry and Willie still not through the first checkpoint!

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If it's not a tracking problem I guess they will be in the dunes for 12 - 16hrs plus 6 hrs to bivvy.  That is on the assumption that they will make it to WP1 in at least 5hrs.  This is one serious crazy Dakar edition.

Agree with comment about Donovan - doing Malle Moto and still running up there with the big guns of MM.  Respect :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2018, 06:37:26 pm
Dit is soortgelyke plekke waar Nasser en GDV gister vasgesit het.

Ironies genoeg het hierdie gebeur terwyl hy vir Nasser oor 'n duin gevolg het.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2018, 08:03:24 pm
(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/25025625_169151423846309_5955115981473841152_n.jpg)

This makes me smile from ear to ear. Could not have happened to a nicer prick.  :imaposer:

That is the challenge in these Peruvian dunes, so easy to get stuck in one of these on a bike as well and quite hard to get out of.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 10, 2018, 08:36:25 pm
Lol BB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:42:10 pm
So David, Donovan and Willem are all in, and I guess already on their way on a monster liaison.
Both Gerry and Wessel not at WP1 yet? I hope their trackers are fooked.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 08:44:13 pm
It's nice to see that Loeb is trying to make the most of it as spectator, taking videos of cars and probably selfies.


(https://i.imgur.com/6FKLaCu.gif)


(https://i.imgur.com/HfVv3p3.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2018, 08:49:10 pm
For those who are on facebook, this is a good source of dakar info: https://www.facebook.com/Southern-Africa-Dakar-Group-379235369097810/?hc_ref=ARQ64PZGNpx52PODAQOBNu44k2CCqF4Gy4CCEoyJxAWkT_M7ZzpURV1tKIsE7YxYcpI&fref=nf

This makes me smile from ear to ear. Could not have happened to a nicer prick.  :imaposer:

He's not a prick, he's just french  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 10, 2018, 08:53:04 pm


check out 1:46 and 4:54  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 08:58:51 pm
This is rather interesting:

(https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl/01KzrlxY/s8/dakar-dakar-2018-pillola-body-cap.jpg)

(https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/mgl/2j7QZVzY/s8/dakar-dakar-2018-hans-jos-liefhebber-51-de-la-categoria-original-con-el-chip-e-celsius.jpg)

From https://es.motorsport.com/dakar/news/chip-pildora-control-pilotos-dakar-994348/#image-transmisor-body-cap-15651050:
Hans-Jos Liefhebber (Hardinxveld-Giessendam) arrives exhausted from traveling dunes, swallowing sand and pulling his KTM 450 Rally Replica. The first thing he would like to do is lie down, eat something and recover from the effort, but he has a chip in his intestine and has to go through the medical tent to download the data of the day.

The project of Body Cap , a French company of solutions for the technological monitoring, tries to find the relation between the temperature of the human being and the vehicle and the performance in a race like the Dakar.

To do this, measure the internal temperature with a 'pill' of 1.7 grams and the size of a button cell that actually contains a chip capable of sending thermal data to a sensor that the pilot has attached to the right arm. In the form of a small square and no fatter than two coins of two euros superimposed, this e-Tact measures the quality of sleep and rest with its 10 grams of weight and its Bluetooth connection.

In addition, another small button is placed in the interior of the car or in the control panel of the motorcycle to measure the temperature of the vehicle that the athlete has to support.
"They measure the temperature and then download the data every day with the east patch. It's something interesting, "Carlos Sainz tells Motorsport.com while wearing the famous 'patch' since he signed up for the studio last Monday.
"The project is that I have a sensor outside, one inside me and another on the bike to measure the temperature. So they know what happens in the whole body at the temperature level, "says Liefhebber, Dutch driver of the Original category (former Malle Moto, without assists).
"It's just a chip. I do not feel bad. Nothing. It's just a chip. In my opinion, they want to use this project for the next  Dakar so that everyone can take it. "

But why would a person accept to swallow a microchip during a race as hard as the Dakar?
"I like to have extra data, the more, the better." Other pilots consulted have not received the initiative with such good eyes, since it would make them lose a certain amount of time each day they prefer to take advantage of preparing the stage of the day. following.
"They come here, we weigh them, we measure their hydration and fill out a questionnaire about how they feel. And we monitor the temperature. Should ingest a pill a day that will leave your body about 24 hours later , "he told Motorsport.com Nathan Riding, researcher and one of the two project managers with Benoit Mauvieux.
"Nobody has evidence or studies of this in the whole world about the Dakar or any other motor sport. So what we get out of here will be unique. "

For 14 days, a maximum of 50 pilots (although the two responsible for the project traveling from bivouac to bivouac within the medical team of the competition do not want to give exact details of how many are taking the pill each day) will introduce a chip in their body to offer data with which "we will understand how the internal temperature affects the performance when it is hot or we are in height".
Liefhebber, who follows his normal day to day as if nothing, seems to have it clear: "It's the future, I think".

Heatstroke is a killer, and knowing the core temperature would be very, very useful. Linking this to Iritrack to automatically trigger a medivac should a riders core temp get too high, would save lives.
I like it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 09:06:43 pm
Some cool gifs while I stress about Gerry and Wessel.

(https://i.imgur.com/t2xuqVj.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/wTNYsps.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/TfVAflL.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 09:11:43 pm
Some cool gifs while I stress about Gerry and Wessel.


I think today is going to be critical. From all that I've heard the sand was brutal - and that was from front runners who rode it when it was still relatively cool. Backmarkers will have to deal with churned up softer hot sand in the middle of the day - which is going to be tough to say the least. I think it is not too early to start with:

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 09:27:49 pm
Gerry just popped up at WP1.  :thumleft:

He has a long, long day ahead of him.
Gerry took 7 hours from DSS to AP1. Willem took just over an hour.
Gerry got to WP1 around 4 hours after Willem. Willem took 4 hours to get to ASS2 from WP1, so Gerry will take >6 hours at a guess. And then another 5-6 hours commute.
Best case is he gets to the bivvy between 01h00 and 02h00 tomorrow local time.

Hang in there bud, keep them wheels rolling. Never-give-up Joey is cheering for you, as are all of us.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 09:29:15 pm
Gerry poppe up in WP1 10 minutes ago. Which I take as a bad sign - I hoped their trackers are not working and they will just show up much further up the road (yesterday that is what happened with Wessel).

Wessel still not showing even on WP1, but he started 10 minutes after Gerry so hopefully he will show up soon. But its no looking good  >:(

Edit: 205'ed by Steve  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 09:31:23 pm
From ADV:

From Mirjam
_________________

Mirjam takes wise decision

We just spoke to Miriam after she finished the first part of the special, " do you want to know what the first part of the special was? Exactly 266 km of reverse test from yesterday but then completely smashed! So very heavy with all the elements that belong. Every once in a while, you're stuck. "

About miles before the first finish, she sees a teammate standing still without fuel. " he already got a liter or two of other people. Just to be safe, I kept driving behind him so he'd definitely arrive.

' at the finish, it turned out that we should not start the second part because we should have started there for 13:00 local time because the last part had become very heavy. But... we're still in the race! We collect the penalty and now drive the few hundred miles of connection to the bivouac,
explains mirjam.
The only sensible decision they could have taken.

So the slower riders are not being allowed to start the second special, and take penalties instead. Maybe Gerry just needs to get to ASS1, and then liaison from there.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 09:42:31 pm
Well that is nice get out of jail card - hopefully guys will find out and not give up before ASS1
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 09:52:28 pm
Gerry poppe up in WP1 10 minutes ago. Which I take as a bad sign - I hoped their trackers are not working and they will just show up much further up the road (yesterday that is what happened with Wessel).

Wessel still not showing even on WP1, but he started 10 minutes after Gerry so hopefully he will show up soon. But its no looking good  >:(

Edit: 205'ed by Steve  :lamer:

That's brutal.

He's out of the biggest dunes, but he's heading into another set that killed the cars.

Hopefully, with the heat of the day over, he'll have better sand.

......the snowball is relentless!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 09:55:01 pm
I didn't see that last get out jail bit. There's still hope then for Gerry!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 09:55:58 pm
It's 3 pm there. Not sure when is the sunset, but I'm afraid the heat of the day is not going to relent for at least next 3 - 4 hours...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 09:59:33 pm
I didn't see that last get out jail bit. There's still hope then for Gerry!

There is always hope...

But it took Barreda 42 minutes from start to WP1. The same distance took Gerry 7 hours. Barreda then took another 1hour 50 minutes between WP1 and ASS1. I am rather not even going to try approximate how long it would take Gerry. And Wessel didn't even show up on WP1 yet (though there is a hope that his tracker is not working - it wasn't working right yesterday).

It not looking good unfortunatelly.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 10:05:10 pm
It not looking good unfortunatelly.

This is true. Also true is that last year, it wasn't looking good for Joey on stage 4 already. And look where he ended up  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 10:17:47 pm
I didn't see that last get out jail bit. There's still hope then for Gerry!

There is always hope...

But it took Barreda 42 minutes from start to WP1. The same distance took Gerry 7 hours. Barreda then took another 1hour 50 minutes between WP1 and ASS1. I am rather not even going to try approximate how long it would take Gerry. And Wessel didn't even show up on WP1 yet (though there is a hope that his tracker is not working - it wasn't working right yesterday).

It not looking good unfortunatelly.

Your girlfriend Gabriela is nearly there.

I hope she makes it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 10:19:37 pm
I didn't see that last get out jail bit. There's still hope then for Gerry!

There is always hope...

But it took Barreda 42 minutes from start to WP1. The same distance took Gerry 7 hours. Barreda then took another 1hour 50 minutes between WP1 and ASS1. I am rather not even going to try approximate how long it would take Gerry. And Wessel didn't even show up on WP1 yet (though there is a hope that his tracker is not working - it wasn't working right yesterday).

It not looking good unfortunatelly.

Your girlfriend Gabriela is nearly there.

I hope she makes it.

F@CK - I forgot about her :peepwall:

Let me have a look...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 10:20:52 pm
Well, Gabriela is actually already past ASS1/DSS2 and about to arrive in ASS2!  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Tough girl, that!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 10, 2018, 10:37:09 pm
There was some nice clips of the Saffers on Redbull TV tonight

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 10, 2018, 10:38:38 pm
There was some nice clips of the Saffers on Redbull TV tonight

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2018, 10:50:43 pm
I didn't see that last get out jail bit. There's still hope then for Gerry!

There is always hope...

But it took Barreda 42 minutes from start to WP1. The same distance took Gerry 7 hours. Barreda then took another 1hour 50 minutes between WP1 and ASS1. I am rather not even going to try approximate how long it would take Gerry. And Wessel didn't even show up on WP1 yet (though there is a hope that his tracker is not working - it wasn't working right yesterday).

It not looking good unfortunatelly.

Your girlfriend Gabriela is nearly there.

I hope she makes it.

F@CK - I forgot about her :peepwall:

Let me have a look...

Jeez man, she's blood!

Go beat yourself with a batch of wet spaghetti and down a cup of Whiskey, you two timing bugger you!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 10, 2018, 10:54:42 pm
This is hilarious
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=564511897236822&id=379235369097810


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 11:05:38 pm
Gabriela in the second ASS!  :thumleft:

Sadly, no movement on the SA guys.

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 11:16:10 pm
Donovan's wife spoke to him on the phone. He had 300km liaison still to go. He's tired but OK, and taking it nice and easy.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 10, 2018, 11:20:38 pm
Gerry@WP2. You tough bugger, keep going  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 10, 2018, 11:25:28 pm
Gerry@WP2. You tough bugger, keep going  :ricky:

BLIKSEM!  :eek7:

Wessel must be out  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2018, 11:35:42 pm
Gerry@WP2. You tough bugger, keep going  :ricky:

BLIKSEM!  :eek7:

Wessel must be out  :'(

He is not on withdrawal list (https://www.dakar.com/en/withdrawal (https://www.dakar.com/en/withdrawal).

I'm still holding my fingers crossed for tracker issue.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 10, 2018, 11:48:32 pm
Gerry@WP2. You tough bugger, keep going  :ricky:

BLIKSEM!  :eek7:

Wessel must be out  :'(

He is not on withdrawal list (https://www.dakar.com/en/withdrawal (https://www.dakar.com/en/withdrawal).

I'm still holding my fingers crossed for tracker issue.

Lets hope!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 12:35:12 am
Gerry on WP3!  :thumleft:

Still no Wessel on tracker... but also not on withdrawals.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 12:40:56 am
Nice going Gerry.

The issue is that liason is a bitch to ride. Its long, and its windy and dangerous with curves that tighten up suddenly. I have ridden it a few times and and doing it in the dark would be seriously kak and quite dangerous.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 12:42:40 am
Nice going Gerry.

The issue is that liason is a bitch to ride. Its long, and its windy and dangerous with curves that tighten up suddenly. I have ridden it a few times and and doing it in the dark would be seriously kak and quite dangerous.

Right now they still have to deal with the first bitch...

But I feel the liaison one may be way more dangerous.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 12:51:22 am
Expat you are seriously living this years Dakar, pulling little sleep ;D

Are you thinking of doing it one of these days? :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 01:15:59 am
Expat you are seriously living this years Dakar, pulling little sleep ;D

Are you thinking of doing it one of these days? :deal:

No, I'm not. I actually do that kind of riding (off the beaten track and off-road in remote locations) often myself (of course not in South America) and on my own terms without all the stress of competition (have enough of that in corporates), stages and crowds. So I have no need to satisfy what I assume attracts most people to Dakar - dream of adventure or off piste riding - there is abundance of that around here to satisfy my needs. And I do not feel need to push myself to achieve something - I guess I'm too old for that.

I just for some inexplicable reason got hooked on this whole thing (following Dakar semi-real time on internet) few years back on Firehose and since then it just became a bit of habit/obsession. As I said before, somehow this format when one has to actively participate to get maximum out of it (rather than passively consume content) appeals to me - I do not normally follow sports, only in the most cursory way. I think you as Firehose veteran and one of the figureheads will understand that nice feeling like you become part of some collective brain, where everybody contributes something and together it is more than sum of its parts. Though that is mostly on Firehose with its well established active network of participants (where quite frankly I'm just outsider). Here the group is a bit thinner, but still - mostly thanks to you - keeps going (by the way - where is Rynet?)

So no good reason really for me to be here, just the enjoyment and that at the end of the day is all that matters  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 01:28:33 am
Honda rider Joan Barreda has cut 15 of his 22-minute gap to the lead of the 2018 Dakar Rally's bike class by dominating Stage 5.

Barreda, who lost over 20 minutes on Stage 3 and gained ground only marginally the next day, was comfortably quickest throughout the 266km run, the final day of the event which was run entirely in Peru.
While the gap between first and second in the class was consistently below five minutes in the past four stages, Barreda had already built up a lead of 6m42s by the second waypoint of six.
He kept increasing that advantage to eventually top the stage by 10m26s from Matthias Walkner, who emerged victorious of a multi-bike fight for second.
The Austrian's KTM teammate Antoine Meo held the spot for most of the stage only to fall behind Walkner, as well as Honda's Kevin Benavides in the end.

Yamaha rider Adrien van Beveren, who took over the overall lead by topping Stage 4, was quickly more than 10 minutes behind, and eventually lost 13m48s to Barreda in fifth.
However, his closest challenger Pablo Quintanilla (Husqvarna) fell late in the stage and was a further 14 minutes adrift.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 01:32:29 am
Gerry WP4. I am rather impressed by this guy.  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 01:37:45 am
Gerry WP4. I am rather impressed by this guy.  :spitcoffee:

 :thumleft:

This is just wishfull thinking, but I have a hunch that Wessel is with that group. Yesterday his tracker also didn't work towards the end and he out of a blue rocked up in the ASS roundabout the time Gerry did. Let's hope and

 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 01:46:02 am
One worrying bit is that Gerry was riding together with Luc Van De Huu... for the whole time and on the last WP he is 3 minutes behind. I wonder what made them to separate -  I would guess at this stage they would tend to stick together. Well, hopefully Gerry has Wessel for company, af WP1 they were just 2.5 minutes apart, even though they started 10 minutes apart.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 01:50:25 am




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 02:05:40 am
The times on WP4 has changed and Gerry indded is riding together with the Dutch guy. The best guys took 13 minutes from WP4 to ASS1, so hopefully our guys should show up in the ASS any time now!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 02:24:30 am
Gerry in the ASS!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 02:33:51 am
Gerry in the ASS!

Gerry jou doring!
No ASS time for Wessel, which is probably a nice way of saying his goose is cooked....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 02:36:05 am
So Gerry get to ride a few hundred kilo's to the bivvy, and it is probably dark already.
Careful bud, stay awake, stay alert.....

Lyndon looking a bit tired:
https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/1181115805355797/
https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/1181113578689353/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 02:41:16 am
Yes it looks my wishfull thinking didn't work. Oh well, I hope he is safe and may still surprise us in the morning.

It's time for me to check out - cheers.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 04:11:51 am
Expat you are seriously living this years Dakar, pulling little sleep ;D

Are you thinking of doing it one of these days? :deal:

No, I'm not. I actually do that kind of riding (off the beaten track and off-road in remote locations) often myself (of course not in South America) and on my own terms without all the stress of competition (have enough of that in corporates), stages and crowds. So I have no need to satisfy what I assume attracts most people to Dakar - dream of adventure or off piste riding - there is abundance of that around here to satisfy my needs. And I do not feel need to push myself to achieve something - I guess I'm too old for that.

I just for some inexplicable reason got hooked on this whole thing (following Dakar semi-real time on internet) few years back on Firehose and since then it just became a bit of habit/obsession. As I said before, somehow this format when one has to actively participate to get maximum out of it (rather than passively consume content) appeals to me - I do not normally follow sports, only in the most cursory way. I think you as Firehose veteran and one of the figureheads will understand that nice feeling like you become part of some collective brain, where everybody contributes something and together it is more than sum of its parts. Though that is mostly on Firehose with its well established active network of participants (where quite frankly I'm just outsider). Here the group is a bit thinner, but still - mostly thanks to you - keeps going (by the way - where is Rynet?)

So no good reason really for me to be here, just the enjoyment and that at the end of the day is all that matters  ;)

I know exactly what you mean. We all appreciate you contributions, especially seeing I have not been able to devote nearly as much time to this crazy race as I usually do. :thumleft:

Not seen Rynet. She is conspicuously missing. As is AlanB and a couple of others. Someone should ping them on Vleisbook. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 04:26:21 am
SO happy they are finally riding in the dunes I was always talking about. The vids from today show why I think the best riding in the world can be found in Peru.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 05:10:32 am
Dakar.com

Joan Barreda: "I had to attack"
The Spaniard, determined to claw his way back up the general classification, won the stage to Arequipa and vaulted from eleventh to fourth place overall.
"It was a good day in the end. "I set a blistering pace throughout the stage and it worked. I knew it was the last day on the dunes, so I had to attack. That's exactly what I did, and I gained back some time. I'm back in the top 10 and, although the deficit is still big, I'm sure I'll find an opening."

Adrien van Beveren: "I'd never seen sand so loose before"
Van Beveren conceded time to his rivals after spending the entire stage near the front of the race, but the Yamaha rider remains in the overall lead after today's key stage.
"I'm happy to be done for today because it was tough... and I'm delighted with having left the other guys behind. I attacked towards the end of the first special because I knew I could press the advantage in the second one, especially with the tracks left by the cars. My little Yamaha carried me through to the end although it was tough... I'd never seen sand so loose before. There was a moment when I had to pedal with my legs to get over a dune. It was an amazing special. Getting here first after spending the entire stage up front is an awesome performance in my book, even if the guys behind probably gained some time on me."

Xavier de Soultrait: "Quicksand is no joke"
The Yamaha rider, currently sitting in fifth place overall, is providing excellent support to team leader Adrian Van Beveren.
"I started right behind Adrien and caught him on the dunes. I overtook him for a short while, but I took it easy and let him move back to the front. I'd never seen sand so loose before, it's incredible. Quicksand is no joke. It changes shape, you gradually notice it. The atmosphere is good, we're better in sync and it really helps. There was a moment when I'd missed a waypoint and he showed me where it was. He later got stuck in the sand, so I stopped to see if he could get out. If KTM have won so many times, it's probably because they're good at this game. Now we're realising just how far we can go."
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 11, 2018, 05:17:14 am
Is it just me or does it look like Wessel made it?.........
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 05:19:10 am
From Gerry's wife #05h16 CAR time:

"Brief message from Gerry. He came in 2 hours ago and had to get on with 500km liaison. He said he's exhausted and sore but okay. He didn't give me any other info.
So don't know if Wessel is with him or what happened to them"
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 05:21:08 am
Is it just me or does it look like Wessel made it?.........

The tricky old bugger. That's Wessel, not you  >:D
He has a time pasted at the ASS, so he may have made it. Hopefully under his own steam, so he can carry on tomorrow....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 11, 2018, 05:23:27 am
Is it just me or does it look like Wessel made it?.........

The tricky old bugger. That's Wessel, not you  >:D
He has a time pasted at the ASS, so he may have made it. Hopefully under his own steam, so he can carry on tomorrow....

Yeah :ricky:

Now that is a next level of vasbyt.... Well done!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 06:23:53 am
Bliksem, that is a stirling performance! Huge respect for both Gerry and Wessel; hope they get to rest a little before the next stage. The countryside on the border with Bolivia is beautiful. described mostly by rolling hills of the altiplano broken by deep gorges. It should be more like WRC style riding, perhaps little easier than the dunes. They just need to hold on and grind through this.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rynet on January 11, 2018, 06:33:20 am
Thank you X Pat and Blue Bull for asking after me , I am here but conserving energy . Am watching from behind the scenes  this year, here and on the whats app groups of the SA guys . Thank you both , and Steve D and others for the fantastic updates.

I did interview our 4 SA boy’tjies for the Dirt and Trial January edition, 4 pages and must do one for February edition also , will add Wessel too , really holding thumbs he and Gerry make it , they had me stressed last night !!!!

 David , Donny and Willem are doing amazingly well despite 2 hectic days ! Dust , soft sand and huge dunes hectic .

Donny latest update :Long days , 6 hours on the Liason , hectic travelling on the liaison like riding on Bains Kloof for 300 km  as trucks on wrong lane, lots of traffic.  Two second long days. Malle Moto truck arrived late. Really cold last night. He sounds strong and positive still , amazing ! Still has to prep his bike.

Willem says just arrived 8pm last night , been on bike since 6 am , 14 hour day , flippen long 450 km traffic unbelievable , guys drive like Shit , last few hours in dark , todays stage was tough , sand very soft , dust hectic , he helped Carlos Sainz with his car , unfortunately quads and cars came past , stuck in their dust , special was 2 parts , last 50 km was hectic , softest sand encountered so far , 1st gear stuff …

.Dave Thomas says Stage 5 done and dusted , brutal is the right word, 13 hours on bike , 2nd Special Dakar threw everything at us, most of the cars will sleep there , he got stuck , sand up to seat of his bike, just sinking sand ,on a hill trying to get up the dune , no momentum, bike boiled lost clutch , wait for clutch to cool down , really really tough esp with leg , pulling and pushing , but got through it , prob the toughest ride I have had on a motorcycle in one day , and 500 km liasson back home not great, nice scenery but super dangerous , dogs, cows , on the road , but great stage, bit of everything , you got to watch on TV dune came down , must have been 1km long , massive massive dune , unbelievable to come down a dune like that, you don’t know to ride it , the 1st time he ever rode something so big, anyway enjoyable day , unfort got stuck behind quads, thick fesh fesh and dust and couldn’t get past quads , after that , good run home , had to find one wp. 

Glad to see my favourite Barreda doing so well and catching up in the hectic soft sand of the last two days .
 Good to see other brands doing well , noticeably Sand Master Van Beveren and also Soul Train . This year also following “ rookies” Brabec and Gonk’ stand-in Cornejo.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 06:50:10 am
Willem looking a bit dirty but sounds pretty good:

 https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/564526467235365/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 11, 2018, 07:27:17 am
Thnks for my daily fix guys  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 11, 2018, 07:43:32 am
SO happy they are finally riding in the dunes I was always talking about. The vids from today show why I think the best riding in the world can be found in Peru.

After watching those vids, I must agree with you, what it must be like to ride there!!

But not on a roadbook. :eek7:, not with my famed navigating skills.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Berty77 on January 11, 2018, 08:06:15 am
Good to see the Japanese manufacturers is doing well so far, 2x Hondas and 2x Yamahas in top 5 bikes and 3x Toyota's in top 5 cars.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: edgy on January 11, 2018, 08:20:18 am
Good to see the Japanese manufacturers is doing well so far, 2x Hondas and 2x Yamahas in top 5 bikes and 3x Toyota's in top 5 cars.
Agreed 100% :thumleft: I will be chuffed if any other manufacturer other than KTM win for a change, healthy for the sport!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 11, 2018, 08:21:33 am
Vir Kobus

https://www.youtube.com/v/n7LWGlkWMBk
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Serf on January 11, 2018, 08:21:49 am
Good to see the Japanese manufacturers is doing well so far, 2x Hondas and 2x Yamahas in top 5 bikes and 3x Toyota's in top 5 cars.
Those Toyotas were built in South Africa not Japan

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 08:30:10 am
Stage 6 cancelled due to extreme weather.

Did Wessel really make it??? I don't see his time on trackingdakar in the ASS? If he made it, cancelling stage 6 could give him some breating space to recover.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 08:31:37 am
 :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 11, 2018, 08:34:14 am
Stage 6 cancelled due to extreme weather.


Rain or heat?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 11, 2018, 08:35:57 am
Moet hulle dan vandag net in La Paz aankom en dan kan hulle rus en die bikes bietjie pamper?

@Molten Cold I think.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 11, 2018, 08:37:55 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 08:39:56 am
Would be rain Molten. Its rainy season up in those mountains. Hectic storms.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 11, 2018, 08:59:36 am
Moet hulle dan vandag net in La Paz aankom en dan kan hulle rus en die bikes bietjie pamper?

@Molten Cold I think.

"net" is sagkens gestel.  :biggrin: Dis 'n helse ent, maar ja, dis soos ek verstaan.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 11, 2018, 09:05:23 am
Coronel

https://www.youtube.com/v/nwaXtTFl1fU
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Monteith on January 11, 2018, 09:06:29 am
Moet hulle dan vandag net in La Paz aankom en dan kan hulle rus en die bikes bietjie pamper?

@Molten Cold I think.

"net" is sagkens gestel.  :biggrin: Dis 'n helse ent, maar ja, dis soos ek verstaan.


According to google maps:
546km that would take 9h46 by car.  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kreef on January 11, 2018, 09:10:43 am
According to google maps:
546km that would take 9h46 by car.  :o

 :o :o

At least there is no special stage, so that can strap enough cushioning to the seats... just to make the 10h drive a bit more comfy
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 11, 2018, 09:34:05 am
Lyndon Poskitt

https://www.youtube.com/v/zMA6RhCWPGc
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 09:48:24 am
Ok nothing to see here today everyone back to work  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 11, 2018, 09:51:26 am
Hallo Steve and BB
I saw on trackingdakar that Stage 6 has been cancelled .
Nothing on dakar.com . . .
Any  confirmation  . .  .?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Motties on January 11, 2018, 09:53:36 am
If the stage is cancelled, is the liason also cancelled, i.e. get to the start of the next stage by any means or do you still have to ride/drive the liason?

I.e. could you get an Uber van to fetch you and your bike?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 11, 2018, 10:02:37 am
Every one still have to get to the next bivvy with a stage cancellation
It could happen that part of the liaison route is also on the same road to the next bivvy via the normal road network
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Motties on January 11, 2018, 10:07:59 am
Every one still have to get to the next bivvy with a stage cancellation
It could happen that part of the liaison route is also on the same road to the next bivvy via the normal road network
I appreciate that, my question is if you could be a "passenger" in that process or do you have to ride your machine there under your own steam.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 11, 2018, 10:20:48 am
Normally , the vehicle or moto should get their under it's own steam
I have seen race vehicle that was towed by another competitor
I wander what the rules states regarding the race vehicle been transported on a low bed, etc
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 11, 2018, 10:27:47 am
I have a feeling this could be fake news. Last year stage 6 was cancelled and someone could be use screen grabs from that. There is still nothing on the Dakar.com web site or FB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 11:04:35 am
I have a feeling this could be fake news. Last year stage 6 was cancelled and someone could be use screen grabs from that. There is still nothing on the Dakar.com web site or FB

I don't think so. There are plenty of people on advrider with contacts directly in bivouac, so they would know by now if this was fake.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 11, 2018, 11:39:35 am


Really enjoying these videos
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 11, 2018, 11:45:36 am
I have a feeling this could be fake news. Last year stage 6 was cancelled and someone could be use screen grabs from that. There is still nothing on the Dakar.com web site or FB

Stage 6 is on. Last year's message was accidentally displayed on trackingdakar.com!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 11:51:53 am
I stand corrected, RyanI was exactly right.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 11, 2018, 11:52:47 am
(https://s26.postimg.org/g4y2781qh/Capturedfasd.png)

Half right and half wrong...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 11, 2018, 11:57:08 am
At least I don't have to work now! :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 12:14:45 pm
At least I don't have to work now! :biggrin:
Yes that was a close shave !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 11, 2018, 12:17:00 pm
At least I don't have to work now! :biggrin:
Yes that was a close shave !
:imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 11, 2018, 01:23:41 pm
At least I don't have to work now! :biggrin:
Lol I was quite hoping to get some work done today! But alas!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2018, 01:46:25 pm
some eye-candy while we wait...

De Soultrait
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26233477_10159744153305487_7828973220030107850_o.jpg?oh=8739a249e0e01cc7fd451f7347bad93a&oe=5AB95148)

Van Beveren
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26240924_10159744154650487_6817608424742817875_o.jpg?oh=13583ebbfa5843c495ff8c4fb05bf6a5&oe=5AB417D8)

Laia selfie!  :thumleft:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26805454_1626415700768266_355193387733852107_n.jpg?oh=aae10d46cf329433c2cade0ed463243b&oe=5AE54D19)

Laia
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/26239139_1626944587382044_4156252374825564717_n.jpg?oh=0388278c5cc5e2d38c650d11bb2b125e&oe=5AB9596E)

nice....  :drif:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26677755_10159742639580487_5772143489759563464_o.jpg?oh=a1a491cbc378b926e1d6d34bd46b79b7&oe=5AE873B8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Snafu on January 11, 2018, 02:00:48 pm
Normally , the vehicle or moto should get their under it's own steam
I have seen race vehicle that was towed by another competitor
I wander what the rules states regarding the race vehicle been transported on a low bed, etc

A lowbed is outside assistance, but if a fellow competitor helps you, it is fine

I dont know the exact rules around outside assistance in the Dakar. I assume it will not be as strict, but a lowbed is pushing it :)
Maybe extra penalties depending how you go through the flying finish? :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: oldred on January 11, 2018, 02:02:07 pm
Look at the accomodation the factory riders get vs malle moto

8:20m in clip

https://www.redbull.tv/video/AP-1TQGGX9ZW1W11/dakar-daily-day-5
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 11, 2018, 02:07:40 pm

nice....  :drif:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26677755_10159742639580487_5772143489759563464_o.jpg?oh=a1a491cbc378b926e1d6d34bd46b79b7&oe=5AE873B8)
[/quote]

wonder what that flat part in the exhaust, just before the silencer is for.
only part of that bike that looks kak.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Just In Time on January 11, 2018, 02:16:04 pm

nice....  :drif:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26677755_10159742639580487_5772143489759563464_o.jpg?oh=a1a491cbc378b926e1d6d34bd46b79b7&oe=5AE873B8)

wonder what that flat part in the exhaust, just before the silencer is for.
only part of that bike that looks kak.
[/quote]

I think they call that damage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 11, 2018, 02:21:41 pm
I quite like it, I think it's to give more boot clearance?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LeonDude on January 11, 2018, 02:21:59 pm
To get it past the swingarm without bulging out?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Just In Time on January 11, 2018, 02:22:43 pm
If it was my bike it would be called damage..... :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Berty77 on January 11, 2018, 02:23:41 pm
Nope, its to clear the swingarm and not to take up space where the riders boot heel will be. Rider ergonomics and mechanical function gets preference over aesthetics.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Berty77 on January 11, 2018, 02:25:30 pm
You okes are too quick for me
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 11, 2018, 02:27:56 pm
I see Wessel has collected 37 hours in penalties and Gerry 14 hours! I'm very glad for them that they can continue the race. They are there for the Dakar-experience after all!

129 - GERRY VAN DER BYL (ZAF)   KTM    54h43m57s (Total Time)   +40:06:17 (Off-Pace)   +14:10:00 (Penatlties)   (111/114) (Position)

099 - WESSEL BOSMAN (LSO)   KTM    80h05m55s (Total Time)   +65:28:15 (Off-Pace)   +37:30:00 (Penalties)   (114/114) (Postion)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 02:46:32 pm
I see Wessel has collected 37 hours in penalties and Gerry 14 hours! I'm very glad for them that they can continue the race. They are there for the Dakar-experience after all!

129 - GERRY VAN DER BYL (ZAF)   KTM    54h43m57s (Total Time)   +40:06:17 (Off-Pace)   +14:10:00 (Penatlties)   (111/114) (Position)

099 - WESSEL BOSMAN (LSO)   KTM    80h05m55s (Total Time)   +65:28:15 (Off-Pace)   +37:30:00 (Penalties)   (114/114) (Postion)

Hmmm - that is strage. I would expect that both of them would get the same penalty - provided they both made it to ASS1. Did Wessel actually make it to ASS1 or was he redirected by orgas to liaison even before that? I haven't seen his time in ASS1 when I was checking?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 03:01:06 pm
Xpat, Its likely that both of them have done a chicken run at one or other point, etc.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 03:02:28 pm
Normally , the vehicle or moto should get their under it's own steam
I have seen race vehicle that was towed by another competitor
I wander what the rules states regarding the race vehicle been transported on a low bed, etc

A lowbed is outside assistance, but if a fellow competitor helps you, it is fine

I dont know the exact rules around outside assistance in the Dakar. I assume it will not be as strict, but a lowbed is pushing it :)
Maybe extra penalties depending how you go through the flying finish? :)

Even if the stage is cancelled, the liaison has to be done by each competitor. No outside towing or anything like that allowed other then from other competitors.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 03:03:18 pm
Xpat, Its likely that both of them have done a chicken run at one or other point, etc.

BB I thought chicken runs were limited to max two in the race. Have I got it wrong?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 11, 2018, 03:17:08 pm
From the App
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 03:22:16 pm
Xpat, Its likely that both of them have done a chicken run at one or other point, etc.

BB I thought chicken runs were limited to max two in the race. Have I got it wrong?

That is correct. Not sure what the penalties are for that either. Anyway they could have had penalties for a number of different things. Admittedly 37 hours is huge.
Perhaps Mark Coma took pity on these back runners and allowed them to continue. Hope they have made the bivvy; they still have a helluva long day today.

That special does not look too hectic;  it is mostly track WRC style in the mountains. Even though the stage is cancelled it is very likely that they wull still have to ride the same route all the way. It is just not timed now. Meaningless to guys like gerry and wessel at this stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2018, 03:43:08 pm
that dune landscape is epic...  :eek7:

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26240405_1694920407233926_8811593016367757005_o.jpg?oh=e1d7e268b97834a204081e81f12cfe42&oe=5AE766D3)

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26233203_1694921033900530_5877651795233834425_o.jpg?oh=6a298c33370e127217cccd0f0fcee35d&oe=5AF4349D)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 11, 2018, 03:45:10 pm
Nope, its to clear the swingarm and not to take up space where the riders boot heel will be. Rider ergonomics and mechanical function gets preference over aesthetics.
Pics before the start show the modification. Wonder if the zort's tone is improved?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 11, 2018, 04:12:55 pm
Wondering how much that desert has changed in the time from when planning and actually racing in it ?
Shifting sand dunes can them mos have cautions become obsolete and other areas create cautions that is not noted on the roadbook ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 11, 2018, 04:16:48 pm
I'm sure they'll recce it again before the race, just to make sure the book is still accurate?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 04:31:21 pm
I think they pre-ride it few day's before the race and do necessary adjustment. But of course it is not bulletproof. You might remember 'Mudgate' few years back when Despres was opening and fell head first onto bit muddy pool that wasn't in the roadbook. The rains day before just created that and there was no way for orgas to find out and adjust roadbook at such a short notice.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 04:38:41 pm
that dune landscape is epic...  :eek7:

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26240405_1694920407233926_8811593016367757005_o.jpg?oh=e1d7e268b97834a204081e81f12cfe42&oe=5AE766D3)

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26233203_1694921033900530_5877651795233834425_o.jpg?oh=6a298c33370e127217cccd0f0fcee35d&oe=5AF4349D)
Jeez that must be difficult to navigate, decide to pick up speed for a dune and there is a drop off on the other side, or another big dune  :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2018, 04:45:16 pm
Wondering how much that desert has changed in the time from when planning and actually racing in it ?
Shifting sand dunes can them mos have cautions become obsolete and other areas create cautions that is not noted on the roadbook ?

As Expat says, they do pre-run it with a zero vehicle a couple of weeks beforehand. I was lucky enough to live 15km from a dune field like this for about 4 years. The dunes do move but very slowly. They hardly changed over the time I was there, maybe moving 2-5 m over this period of time, so not that much really. The shapes though....so irregular and choppy. Very hard not to fall off , bog or get stuck riding given all the changes in angles, slopes and directions.

The worst is if you get stuck in a small hole like 3m-4m wide and the same deep. So hard to get out of those. You have ride around in inside of them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 11, 2018, 04:46:12 pm
I think they pre-ride it few day's before the race and do necessary adjustment. But of course it is not bulletproof. You might remember 'Mudgate' few years back when Despres was opening and fall head face onto bit muddy pool that wasn't in the roadbook. The rains day before just created that and there was no way for orgas to find out and adjust roadbook at such a short notice.

 :thumleft: So then it mos makes perfect sense to buy one of those vehicles that does this running of the route and come and compete in one of those  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 04:51:47 pm

...

The worst is if you get stuck in a small hole like 3m-4m wide and the same deep. So hard to get out of those. You have ride around in inside of them.

I managed to end up in trap like that with 1150GSA in the middle of the dune field  south of Swakopmund - the one with dune 7. Still don't fully understand how I managed to get out of that, but somehow I did  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 04:54:56 pm
I think they pre-ride it few day's before the race and do necessary adjustment. But of course it is not bulletproof. You might remember 'Mudgate' few years back when Despres was opening and fall head face onto bit muddy pool that wasn't in the roadbook. The rains day before just created that and there was no way for orgas to find out and adjust roadbook at such a short notice.

 :thumleft: So then it mos makes perfect sense to buy one of those vehicles that does this running of the route and come and compete in one of those  :patch: :lol8:

Didn't somebody say that they run these tracks in normal Hilux d4d? Though that seems unlikely...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 11, 2018, 04:55:07 pm
Riding the wall of death in circles till it spits you out  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 11, 2018, 04:58:34 pm
I think they pre-ride it few day's before the race and do necessary adjustment. But of course it is not bulletproof. You might remember 'Mudgate' few years back when Despres was opening and fall head face onto bit muddy pool that wasn't in the roadbook. The rains day before just created that and there was no way for orgas to find out and adjust roadbook at such a short notice.

 :thumleft: So then it mos makes perfect sense to buy one of those vehicles that does this running of the route and come and compete in one of those  :patch: :lol8:

Didn't somebody say that they run these tracks in normal Hilux d4d? Though that seems unlikely...

Jip definitely not  all alone by themselves. For sure a helicopter and tow vehicles  or 2  following  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 11, 2018, 04:59:40 pm
Riding the wall of death in circles till it spits you out  :imaposer:

Ant Lion style  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: roxenz on January 11, 2018, 05:10:26 pm
I think they pre-ride it few day's before the race and do necessary adjustment. But of course it is not bulletproof. You might remember 'Mudgate' few years back when Despres was opening and fall head face onto bit muddy pool that wasn't in the roadbook. The rains day before just created that and there was no way for orgas to find out and adjust roadbook at such a short notice.

 :thumleft: So then it mos makes perfect sense to buy one of those vehicles that does this running of the route and come and compete in one of those  :patch: :lol8:

Didn't somebody say that they run these tracks in normal Hilux d4d? Though that seems unlikely...

Can be done. I've driven those very same dunes around Acari in a Prado. The Prado kakked a bit, but you can speed up on the hard bits, to sort of "float" over the soft bits. Still did a lot of digging, though (and had a D7 on stand by to pull drilling rigs around). Were lovely days of doing some exploration in that area.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Snafu on January 11, 2018, 05:12:35 pm
Is it only my imagination? Stages only get cancelled when Peterhansel is in the lead?

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 05:17:47 pm
Is it only my imagination? Stages only get cancelled when Peterhansel is in the lead?

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Today's stage is not cancelled, was incorrect info. Cars already out running by the looks of things. I see Sarel Du Preez is still in the Dakar
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 11, 2018, 06:18:36 pm

nice....  :drif:
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26677755_10159742639580487_5772143489759563464_o.jpg?oh=a1a491cbc378b926e1d6d34bd46b79b7&oe=5AE873B8)

wonder what that flat part in the exhaust, just before the silencer is for.
only part of that bike that looks kak.

I think they call that damage.
[/quote]http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217107.40

Never mind the flat exhaust I like the kickstart
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Snafu on January 11, 2018, 06:26:04 pm
Is it only my imagination? Stages only get cancelled when Peterhansel is in the lead?

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Today's stage is not cancelled, was incorrect info. Cars already out running by the looks of things. I see Sarel Du Preez is still in the Dakar

Thanks, so they are running the full stage and not only the last 200km SS ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 11, 2018, 06:44:11 pm
Anyone know why?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 06:54:24 pm
Well, that is just a bummer, isn't it.  :(

Don't know what the reason is but it seems like medics didn't believe it to be safe for him to continue. Not sure how this works - if they can prevent somebody to start, or if they just give recommendation and the racer decides for themselves.

Well at least Gerry is still in.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 07:01:33 pm
molten, where is the info from?

Here is what I got on advrider when I posted your message from member called 'beechum1':

'He's in bolivia already. I saw him cross the bridge.'

Edit; Not sure of course what it means. But I would find it strange they would let him ride after not clearing him to start. Maybe he is just following as spectator now?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TinusBez on January 11, 2018, 07:02:58 pm
molten, where is the info from?

Here is what I got on advrider when I posted your message from member called 'beechum1':

'He's in bolivia already. I saw him cross the bridge.'

Facebook page titled Southern Africa Dakar Group. Don't know admin or where they source it from, there is no name linked to the post.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 07:05:12 pm
Well so far he is not on the withdrawal list. Let's see how this pans out...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TinusBez on January 11, 2018, 07:06:21 pm
Strange but tracking dakar suggest he is still in, guess have to wait for next live track update to "test" the FB post.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 07:07:49 pm
Here is some more info (not really) from beechum1 on advrider:

'What I know is, I saw him on the BTV feed crossing the bridge. I also read the notice you posted. I suppose there was a decision made while in transit. That'll be a Sh1tt3r.'
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2018, 07:12:38 pm
Gillian Dykes is the Southern African ASO representative who posted that. She is on the organisational committee for the Dakar and specifically is there to deal with disputes and time challenges. She is on the Whatsapp groups for Donovan and Willem, she posted it into there and it was repeated onto facebook, so it's from the horses mouth so to speak. If she says he's out, then he's definitely out.

I would guess that he's been ruled medically unfit to continue, probably due to exhaustion or some medically related issue that is tied to staying awake and kaking off for so long .

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 11, 2018, 07:19:12 pm
Gillian Dykes is the Southern African ASO representative who posted that. She is on the organisational committee for the Dakar and specifically is there to deal with disputes and time challenges. She is on the Whatsapp groups for Donovan and Willem, she posted it into there and it was repeated onto facebook, so it's from the horses mouth so to speak. If she says he's out, then he's definitely out.

I would guess that he's been ruled medically unfit to continue, probably due to exhaustion or some medically related issue that is tied to staying awake and kaking off for so long .

WOW that sucks! Pit for him, but better to stay alive than not I guess...

Was hoping he would survive the dunes... seems like the easier part is waiting at the end of this dakar. If you can call it easy... Those dunes was hopefully the purge of this edition.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2018, 07:21:40 pm
Ahh, just saw this....

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-9SZcDBg/0/3ce72f4d/L/Wessel-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-9SZcDBg/A)

That means he got too far behind the snowball. He's fine, the organisation just cannot wait for him.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 07:21:45 pm
Well that is that then, sad really. But he put up good fight out there!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2018, 07:42:35 pm
Live feed of start

https://www.facebook.com/Dakarcolombiain/videos/1815106608508348/ (https://www.facebook.com/Dakarcolombiain/videos/1815106608508348/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 07:53:57 pm
TP pulled 5mins so far, is his his charge starting here ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 08:20:04 pm
TP pulled 5mins so far, is his his charge starting here ?

5 min on whom? Barreda and AVB are only 3 minutes down, which will just get him ahead of Barreda, but still behind AVB in the overall. Of course this is just one stage - he has plenty of time to recoup more in the next stages. And it is good to see him pushing and winning - I was getting worried in prior stages that his heart is not in it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ama ride ride on January 11, 2018, 08:37:38 pm
Vir Kobus

https://www.youtube.com/v/n7LWGlkWMBk
Dankie :thumleft: maat
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2018, 08:47:52 pm
Toby somehow lost half a minute on Meo between last WP and ASS and is not third in the stage 3 minutes ahead of BB.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 11, 2018, 09:02:32 pm
Don't know how closely you guys follow the trucks, but that was some true Dakar spirit by the Martin Kolomy for helping Nikolaev. If he left the Russian tipped over there, the 1st position could have been up for grabs again! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 09:05:02 pm
David at WP7 already (he's quick!)
Donovan THE MAN and Willem at WP6
Gerry through WP5, looks like he is doing quite well today.
No time for Wessel. If Gilly says he is out, then he's out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 09:10:09 pm
TP pulled 5mins so far, is his his charge starting here ?

5 min on whom? Barreda and AVB are only 3 minutes down, which will just get him ahead of Barreda, but still behind AVB in the overall. Of course this is just one stage - he has plenty of time to recoup more in the next stages. And it is good to see him pushing and winning - I was getting worried in prior stages that his heart is not in it.
He had the fastest overall time when I checked dakartracking. Anyway he is now 9:39 odd minutes behind the leader about level with BB.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:08:08 pm
David, Donovan, Willem all through WP8. They'll be feeling the cold and the altitude by now....
Gerry through WP6. He'll be feeling fooked, regardless of cold and altitude.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:09:09 pm
Bike wash?

(https://i.imgur.com/FKOsfDj.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LeonDude on January 11, 2018, 10:21:22 pm
SteveD, the worst thing is that that could have been any of us WD riders on a quiet ride. Just riding along (OK, maybe not so bloody fast) and next thing, wham, into the drink. Happened to me in Die Hel.
The amazing part is how fast you jump up and two things go through your mind.
1. Who saw me?
2. Is the bike OK?

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:22:12 pm
Gerry@WP7  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:22:55 pm
SteveD, the worst thing is that that could have been any of us WD riders on a quiet ride. Just riding along (OK, maybe not so bloody fast) and next thing, wham, into the drink. Happened to me in Die Hel.
The amazing part is how fast you jump up and two things go through your mind.
1. Who saw me?
2. Is the bike OK?

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TheAnt on January 11, 2018, 10:26:33 pm
SteveD, the worst thing is that that could have been any of us WD riders on a quiet ride. Just riding along (OK, maybe not so bloody fast) and next thing, wham, into the drink. Happened to me in Die Hel.
The amazing part is how fast you jump up and two things go through your mind.
1. Who saw me?
2. Is the bike OK?

Shamefully admitting to this too...

I remember thinking how full my helmet was of water.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:32:47 pm
Hmm.
I just noticed that Wessel shows a time at DSS. Did they let the old bugger start, I wonder?

Nope. He showed a DSS time, but nothing since. He's out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:36:13 pm
Data dump!
David and Donovan @ ASS
Willem @ WP8
Gerry @ WP7

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LeonDude on January 11, 2018, 10:38:29 pm
Data dump!
David and Donovan @ ASS
Willem @ WP8
Gerry @ WP7

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
:thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:41:00 pm
And Willem at ASS now too.
Awesome, bloody marvelous.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 10:48:36 pm
Gerry@WP8. Almost sleep time, bud.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 11, 2018, 11:47:55 pm
Gerry, jou yster. At ASS.
 :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 12, 2018, 05:23:36 am
That's a cool save

(https://i.imgur.com/DKGsC0f.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 12, 2018, 07:14:48 am
Luck sure plays it's part
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2018, 07:52:46 am
Lyndon update

https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskittRacing/videos/1181690125298365/


Olivier Pain update , admirable how he nurses after his bike, even while he rides it .


https://t.co/4p35qEb8TD
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 08:29:27 am
Dakar Youtube Stage 6

https://www.youtube.com/v/fxzS7t6jEnY

https://www.youtube.com/v/aZWHMZ4Z7G0

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 08:30:58 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/AyGqaZRALYw

https://www.youtube.com/v/-aMNEj-kTgc

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 08:59:01 am
https://www.youtube.com/v/QA0zKKEJT30
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cdp13 on January 12, 2018, 09:47:17 am
What happened to Barreda yesterday? Stage 6. Looks like he finished 9 mins behind Benavides and 7mins behind AVB.

On another note, I see Poskitt was 14mins faster than our David Thomas on yesterdays stage. Never realised how good a rider Poskitt actually is, but that puts it into perspective.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 12, 2018, 09:54:37 am
Can someone post the Malle moto rankings please? I have most websites blocked at work...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 10:13:46 am
What happened to Barreda yesterday? Stage 6. Looks like he finished 9 mins behind Benavides and 7mins behind AVB.

On another note, I see Poskitt was 14mins faster than our David Thomas on yesterdays stage. Never realised how good a rider Poskitt actually is, but that puts it into perspective.

Where do you get that Barreda info from? He finished 3:30 minutes behind winner Meo, 3 minutes behind Benavides and 3 seconds behind AVB. Which is very respectable taking into account he was opening.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 12, 2018, 10:14:02 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 10:16:18 am
Can someone post the Malle moto rankings please? I have most websites blocked at work...

.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 10:18:09 am
What happened to Barreda yesterday? Stage 6. Looks like he finished 9 mins behind Benavides and 7mins behind AVB.

On another note, I see Poskitt was 14mins faster than our David Thomas on yesterdays stage. Never realised how good a rider Poskitt actually is, but that puts it into perspective.

I see now - you are mixing stage 6 and overall results. On stage he was as I said in the prior response about 3 minutes back on Benavides, overal Barreda he is about 9 minutes down on the current leader.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 12, 2018, 10:21:11 am
Who would have thought that Kevin Benavides would be leading at this stage? Great for the event
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cdp13 on January 12, 2018, 10:47:00 am
What happened to Barreda yesterday? Stage 6. Looks like he finished 9 mins behind Benavides and 7mins behind AVB.

On another note, I see Poskitt was 14mins faster than our David Thomas on yesterdays stage. Never realised how good a rider Poskitt actually is, but that puts it into perspective.

I see now - you are mixing stage 6 and overall results. On stage he was as I said in the prior response about 3 minutes back on Benavides, overal Barreda he is about 9 minutes down on the current leader.

Yes Xpat that is exactly what I did.... domkop. sorry
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 12, 2018, 10:57:25 am
I saw yesterday that Lyndonn was very frustrated with waypoints not being where they were indicated to be. is this a sentiment shared by others?
41 minutes to make up on Pain. That will only happen if something goes wrong with Pain, still super respectable time from Lyndon.
Who is the Hanswors Liefhebber guy? Did he do well previous years? where does he come from?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cracker on January 12, 2018, 11:05:40 am
I think Poskitt's making MM look easy but he does look comfortable on that bike.

I sort of compare this to riding to the coast from JHB, through lesotho, off-road. Not too bad but to do it every day for a week would be a killer for me.

So although he and others make it look easy, they're doing something that I could not do - this is what I like to see.

Hell, even the guy coming last can do more than me.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 11:18:44 am
I saw yesterday that Lyndonn was very frustrated with waypoints not being where they were indicated to be. is this a sentiment shared by others?
41 minutes to make up on Pain. That will only happen if something goes wrong with Pain, still super respectable time from Lyndon.
Who is the Hanswors Liefhebber guy? Did he do well previous years? where does he come from?

Yes, there were more people having trouble finding that waypoint. Sam Sunderland actually hurt himself there while running aroud looking for one of the WPs - an injury that eventually forced him to retire from the race.

The Liefhebber guy is Dutch - it's right there next to his name in the snapshot I posted  >:D. I have no clue who he is, but he is clearly good.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: westfrogger on January 12, 2018, 11:37:39 am
Why is Olivier Pain racing MM this year? (there is a joke in that somewhere)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 12, 2018, 11:41:28 am
Luck sure plays it's part

I don't think it's luck at all; notice how he stays on the power. If he had tapped off he was over the bars.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 12, 2018, 11:44:29 am
Na i think his ass puckerd for sure
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 12, 2018, 11:46:12 am
Na i think his ass puckerd for sure

No doubt about that  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 11:47:06 am
Na i think his ass puckerd for sure

Jeesh my ass puckerred just watching that  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 12, 2018, 11:59:53 am
Why is Olivier Pain racing MM this year? (there is a joke in that somewhere)

He said in an interview that it being the 40th edition, he wanted to go back to the "roots" so to speak.

OR

ASO wants a Frenchman to win Malle Moto >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 12, 2018, 12:01:23 pm
Why is Olivier Pain racing MM this year? (there is a joke in that somewhere)

He said in an interview that it being the 40th edition, he wanted to go back to the "roots" so to speak.

OR

ASO wants a Frenchman to win Malle Moto >:D

Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 12, 2018, 12:07:28 pm
Why is Olivier Pain racing MM this year? (there is a joke in that somewhere)

He said in an interview that it being the 40th edition, he wanted to go back to the "roots" so to speak.

OR

ASO wants a Frenchman to win Malle Moto >:D

Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

 :thumleft:

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 12:28:20 pm
Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

The way that green box stands out between all the red ones and the video feedback, Lyndon is probably grabbing more attention than a malle moto winner will do.

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Personally I like seeing how an elite rider do without all the support.
Currently he seems very meticulous. Like to see if he can keep it up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 12, 2018, 01:06:10 pm
where do you guys see Pain so much?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2018, 01:28:02 pm

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Hell no! Most winners of Malle Moto are anyway good enough to ride a factory ride.  They just have other lives and don't race for a living.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 02:01:19 pm
where do you guys see Pain so much?

I don't understand the question. He is the leader of the Malle Moto class - right on the top of those rankings you asked for. And he is former factory rider - it's not that usual that one of the factory riders will come back to slum it in MM. Yet he did, and I for one agree that it is good to see how a rider who was used to full service of support team will do on their own.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 02:14:13 pm
Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

The way that green box stands out between all the red ones and the video feedback, Lyndon is probably grabbing more attention than a malle moto winner will do.

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Personally I like seeing how an elite rider do without all the support.
Currently he seems very meticulous. Like to see if he can keep it up.

Yeah i must say that as a DIEHARD ORANGE fan that GREEN KTM just does not do it for me  :patch: 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 12, 2018, 02:16:34 pm
Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

The way that green box stands out between all the red ones and the video feedback, Lyndon is probably grabbing more attention than a malle moto winner will do.

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Personally I like seeing how an elite rider do without all the support.
Currently he seems very meticulous. Like to see if he can keep it up.

Yeah i must say that as a DIEHARD ORANGE fan that GREEN KTM just does not do it for me  :patch: 8)
If only at least the frame was left orange Lyndon's is white! The huskies seem to run a very similar frame, does anyone know if it is perhaps the same?

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2018, 02:18:03 pm
I'm runninig around trying to make sense of trackingdakar and stuff and find out that it is a rest day! Heads up would be nice!  :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: XTZFegen on January 12, 2018, 02:22:40 pm
I think Poskitt's making MM look easy but he does look comfortable on that bike.

I sort of compare this to riding to the coast from JHB, through lesotho, off-road. Not too bad but to do it every day for a week would be a killer for me.

So although he and others make it look easy, they're doing something that I could not do - this is what I like to see.

Hell, even the guy coming last can do more than me.

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 02:27:54 pm
 Can someone please help to identify what the yellow flag thingy says. Know the Blue one says Rookie
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lowrider on January 12, 2018, 02:30:35 pm
Can someone please help to identify what the yellow flag thingy says. Know the Blue one says Rookie

looks like "Legend" to me
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 02:45:38 pm
Can someone please help to identify what the yellow flag thingy says. Know the Blue one says Rookie

looks like "Legend" to me

Yeah sure looks like "Legend" does anybody know what makes u a legend?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 02:52:51 pm
Yeah sure looks like "Legend" does anybody know what makes u a legend?

Don't know.  Maybe this?

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 12, 2018, 02:54:12 pm
Kevin Benavides, overall leader going into the rest day.

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26232633_1695708293821804_7336188752127660777_o.jpg?oh=60b6067dd6485c8ef1cf1a5665f8b31f&oe=5AFA4B8F)

Legend hanging around the press area!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26840729_1694902810569019_2089756697356278119_o.jpg?oh=f2f7b3477842c7f0ad08a2c993563a83&oe=5AEA8D54)

Vastly different terrain from the previous stages, lying in wait.

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26239961_1695577307168236_2075450890294974835_o.jpg?oh=d61ba9f7c375463ad4f2bda76cb40bbf&oe=5AB35CBB)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dustman on January 12, 2018, 02:55:39 pm
I'm runninig around trying to make sense of trackingdakar and stuff and find out that it is a rest day! Heads up would be nice!  :peepwall: :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: I have been doing the same. I just could notthink why the countdown timer on GAPS would say one day and......  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2018, 03:00:30 pm
Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

The way that green box stands out between all the red ones and the video feedback, Lyndon is probably grabbing more attention than a malle moto winner will do.

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Personally I like seeing how an elite rider do without all the support.
Currently he seems very meticulous. Like to see if he can keep it up.

Yeah i must say that as a DIEHARD ORANGE fan that GREEN KTM just does not do it for me  :patch: 8)
If only at least the frame was left orange Lyndon's is white! The huskies seem to run a very similar frame, does anyone know if it is perhaps the same?

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Back in the day, KTM frames were white, as were their bikes.  :biggrin: 8)'
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JFE on January 12, 2018, 03:39:20 pm
On the Dakar Heroes footage from after David Thomas fell and broke his leg. Man is hurting bad, must be tough for the others to keep pushing. Starting at 05:20
https://youtu.be/u994SlOmcu4


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 03:42:22 pm
Dont believe its rest day until i have seen the 1st peechers of Laia being massaged  >:D :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2018, 03:47:21 pm
Dakar legends have done a certain amount of previous Dakars. I think it's 10
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 12, 2018, 03:52:00 pm

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Hell no! Most winners of Malle Moto are anyway good enough to ride a factory ride.  They just have other lives and don't race for a living.

Fair enough. And if such a rider has had a number of factory rides in the past?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 12, 2018, 03:56:33 pm
If only at least the frame was left orange Lyndon's is white! The huskies seem to run a very similar frame, does anyone know if it is perhaps the same?

The Huskies are essentially identical (Husqvarna belongs to KTM)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 12, 2018, 04:11:01 pm
If only at least the frame was left orange Lyndon's is white! The huskies seem to run a very similar frame, does anyone know if it is perhaps the same?

The Huskies are essentially identical (Husqvarna belongs to KTM)

on the 500 cc's the frames are different on the new models it seems, so possibly for the 450cc as well
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 12, 2018, 04:12:39 pm
Yeah sure looks like "Legend" does anybody know what makes u a legend?

Don't know.  Maybe this?

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?
Legend = Malle Moto
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 12, 2018, 04:15:52 pm
where do you guys see Pain so much?

I don't understand the question. He is the leader of the Malle Moto class - right on the top of those rankings you asked for. And he is former factory rider - it's not that usual that one of the factory riders will come back to slum it in MM. Yet he did, and I for one agree that it is good to see how a rider who was used to full service of support team will do on their own.

I understand that, I meant there is comments on how meticulous he is and how smooth he is on his bike. I havent seen him on the Youtube clips at all. Dont even know what he looks like
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2018, 04:20:41 pm
Why is Olivier Pain racing MM this year? (there is a joke in that somewhere)

He said in an interview that it being the 40th edition, he wanted to go back to the "roots" so to speak.

OR

ASO wants a Frenchman to win Malle Moto >:D

Or Motul wants to ensure a certain Yorkshireman doesn't win their class on a Motorex sponsored bike....

 :thumleft:

Pain was on the provisional ASO Elite Riders list. I don't think an elite rider should be allowed in MM, or what?

Or what?? The MM riders are all elite riders in my book. Much harder than the softcock factory riders un-original race  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2018, 04:27:18 pm


Legend hanging around the press area!  :thumleft:



Darryl Curtis is very involved with Dakar on the logistics side supplying tracking support.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 12, 2018, 04:45:52 pm
Darryl Curtis is very involved with Dakar on the logistics side supplying tracking support.

He's also KTM's PR manager for the rally, according to one of the episodes of Dakar Daily on RedBull TV. Unless the subtitle was incorrect. Can't remember which episode, so I'll watch them all again. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 12, 2018, 05:02:29 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2018, 05:35:12 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

On Harleys? :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 12, 2018, 06:10:07 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

On Harleys? :pot:

Lol, I hope not!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2018, 09:04:47 pm
Stephane Peterhansel :

While the relentless sand dune stages have resulted in a high rate of early attrition, Peterhansel reckons it's been a personally satisfying beginning to the 2018 event.

He says it's been the toughest he's seen since the relocation to South America in 2009, and that for the first time time the event is reminiscent of the old days through Africa.

"Probably this is the hardest Dakar since we were in South America," he said, "especially because the dunes were very soft and really complicated.

"And there was no transition day; we started and it was dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes – five days, and every day it was a bit more complicated. [On Wednesday] it was crazy.

"For me, I like these conditions. I remember the old Dakar in Africa. I like the spirit of Dakar like that. For me it's reminds me of the spirit of it in Africa, so it's really good.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 12, 2018, 09:11:18 pm
where do you guys see Pain so much?

I don't understand the question. He is the leader of the Malle Moto class - right on the top of those rankings you asked for. And he is former factory rider - it's not that usual that one of the factory riders will come back to slum it in MM. Yet he did, and I for one agree that it is good to see how a rider who was used to full service of support team will do on their own.

I understand that, I meant there is comments on how meticulous he is and how smooth he is on his bike. I havent seen him on the Youtube clips at all. Dont even know what he looks like

Rynet posted a video link. Compare that with the videos from Poskitt.
Also seen some of him in other videos.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 12, 2018, 10:14:57 pm
Dakar legends have done a certain amount of previous Dakars. I think it's 10

Hi Kamanya yes did some checking and it seems the magic no is 10. But some of those on some riders did not complete. So it looks like it is not bent on 10 completed but 10 enterred
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: goonrider on January 12, 2018, 10:49:23 pm
Does anyone have info on what Poskitt uses on his hands, beneath  the gloves? Looks like just loose cloth, but surely that will result in blisters as it moves inside the glove?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 13, 2018, 05:52:24 am
Like this
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 06:52:29 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 07:01:51 am




Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 07:34:22 am
From Gerry via FB:

For each and every one of you: 

I have no idea how to thank you all. This is no longer a journey of mine, but a journey that we all seem to be sharing and experiencing.  I’ve been in tears more times today than I think I’ve ever been in a single day. I read some of your messages, and it just blows my mind!

With friends and family like you, I can achieve anything! 

Most amazingly, I typed this while I was sitting at our team truck, and the song playing in the race truck while I typed this message : “We’ve come a long way” From the Fast and the Furious!


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 11:12:31 am
Picked this up,on ADV:
In 2011 this guy finished Dakar on a XR250 Tornado  :o







I like mad people. I wonder how the hell he got through the dunes?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2018, 12:09:43 pm
Stephane Peterhansel :

While the relentless sand dune stages have resulted in a high rate of early attrition, Peterhansel reckons it's been a personally satisfying beginning to the 2018 event.

He says it's been the toughest he's seen since the relocation to South America in 2009, and that for the first time time the event is reminiscent of the old days through Africa.

"Probably this is the hardest Dakar since we were in South America," he said, "especially because the dunes were very soft and really complicated.

"And there was no transition day; we started and it was dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes – five days, and every day it was a bit more complicated. [On Wednesday] it was crazy.

"For me, I like these conditions. I remember the old Dakar in Africa. I like the spirit of Dakar like that. For me it's reminds me of the spirit of it in Africa, so it's really good.

Peterhansel is MR. Dakar. Multiple motorcycle and car winner, this is the Justice league in one man.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 12:26:33 pm
Stephane Peterhansel :

While the relentless sand dune stages have resulted in a high rate of early attrition, Peterhansel reckons it's been a personally satisfying beginning to the 2018 event.

He says it's been the toughest he's seen since the relocation to South America in 2009, and that for the first time time the event is reminiscent of the old days through Africa.

"Probably this is the hardest Dakar since we were in South America," he said, "especially because the dunes were very soft and really complicated.

"And there was no transition day; we started and it was dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes, dunes – five days, and every day it was a bit more complicated. [On Wednesday] it was crazy.

"For me, I like these conditions. I remember the old Dakar in Africa. I like the spirit of Dakar like that. For me it's reminds me of the spirit of it in Africa, so it's really good.

Peterhansel is MR. Dakar. Multiple motorcycle and car winner, this is the Justice league in one man.
Carefull the conspiracy theorists will tell you the only reason he has won 15 odd times is because he is French  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2018, 01:09:59 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

Measure the size and population of your country compared to SA and then start stirring  :pot:
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2018, 01:20:00 pm
Picked this up,on ADV:
In 2011 this guy finished Dakar on a XR250 Tornado  :o

I like mad people. I wonder how the hell he got through the dunes?

Remember Sylvain Espinasse in 2016 who finished on a 125 Husky!? 

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2018, 02:44:33 pm
Willem, he's frek cold...

https://api.smugmug.com/services/embed/6802885496_mCpx3Q7?width=480&height=848&albumId=153747864&albumKey=J57NhC
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 13, 2018, 02:55:40 pm
First bikes coming through the first WP! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180113/a0b2ba79f5580535e1288d56303c6407.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180113/a3d72cf2d506706d6113ef6a10a4a6ff.jpg)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: markdiver on January 13, 2018, 03:03:10 pm
I saw yesterday that Lyndonn was very frustrated with waypoints not being where they were indicated to be. is this a sentiment shared by others?
41 minutes to make up on Pain. That will only happen if something goes wrong with Pain, still super respectable time from Lyndon.
Who is the Hanswors Liefhebber guy? Did he do well previous years? where does he come from?

Hans Jos-Liefhebber is a Dutchman that has become a regular at Dakar.  He fell and broke his back in 2011 on the second to last stage if memory serves me correct.  He then came back to race the Dakar the following year.  He is also a very hardy bloke and very good rider.  I then bought his 2011 rally bike, imported it from Holland and we have kept in touch since.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2018, 03:14:28 pm
Donny last night

https://api.smugmug.com/services/embed/6802910400_GWPLsc8
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Crossed-up on January 13, 2018, 03:39:28 pm
BTW - Sylvain Espinasse is riding in the Africa Eco Race - number 111 again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 04:16:14 pm
Holy Moly - Barreda is pushing hard. He is almost 7 minutes up on leader Benavides and his probably biggest rival Price. And that is on WP2. I do hope that he can keep it together and not end up in another disaster - this would be spectacular come-back if he can pull it off.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 04:25:56 pm
Even Laia is over 1 minute faster than Toby. Has he got lost?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Crossed-up on January 13, 2018, 04:34:46 pm
Those tires have got to last - I trust they're not shredding them too soon.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 04:46:47 pm
Toby losing already 12:30 on BamBam at WP3. Again, I hope this doesn't end up in tears for JBB.

Edit: I think the leaders at the stage must have gone for sightseeing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 06:00:15 pm
JBB still on fire - has taken another 2:00 minutes more or less of everybody. Quite an achievement as on the last WP he was riding With AVB and one would expect that AVB would just stick to BamBam's rear wheel. Lets' see how this pans out...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 06:02:06 pm
At this stage JBB is second in the overall standings, second only to AVB by about 2 minutes. If he continues like this, he will by the end of hte day be either first or out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 13, 2018, 06:25:30 pm
Sure is on a mission
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 13, 2018, 06:28:03 pm
David is making up nice time :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 13, 2018, 07:43:42 pm
If the bike holds up and he and/or the team don't get it wrong with rules I can see Barreda taking this Dakar with relative ease.  He has always been super fast, almost beyond alien status, but he just need to contain himself.

Having said that, I noticed what Crossed Up said regarding saving the tyres during the marathon stage....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: peteb on January 13, 2018, 07:50:57 pm
Looks like Peterhansel has stopped with a problem. With all the rain probably a good day to have 4WD. Mind you if he cant finish the stage the org will probably cancel it....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 13, 2018, 07:51:03 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

Measure the size and population of your country compared to SA and then start stirring  :pot:
 :peepwall:

BO show us any American that has finished the Dakar in the top 5 on bikes...... :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 07:53:02 pm
Well, after WP5 - which was a refuel so they all could see where they stand (they don't have that info elsewhere) it seems he got a fright and overcompensated (or rather to be fair came to his senses). And between WP5 and WP7 he lost plenty of time to everybody - for example 4:30 minutes to TP and also about 2 minutes to his main rival right now AVB. But if that remains the same, JBB will still be 3rd overal today, with 2nd Kevin B on honda nad first AVB on Yamaha. I.e. KTM will have their work cut out for them for the next days - you can leave stuff till the end only up to a point, as stages may get cancelled...

I don't think Barreda is worried too much about rear tyre - I'm sure his rear tyre for tomorrow is following him at much more relaxed and conserving pace further down the line on another Honda...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 13, 2018, 08:00:10 pm
Well, after WP5 - which was a refuel so they all could see where they stand (they don't have that info elsewhere) it seems he got a fright and overcompensated (or rather to be fair came to his senses). And between WP5 and WP7 he lost plenty of time to everybody - for example 4:30 minutes to TP and also about 2 minutes to his main rival right now AVB. But if that remains the same, JBB will still be 3rd overal today, with 2nd Kevin B on honda nad first AVB on Yamaha. I.e. KTM will have their work cut out for them for the next days - you can leave stuff till the end only up to a point, as stages may get cancelled...

I don't this Barreda is worried too much about rear tyre - I'm sure his rear tyre for tomorrow is following him at much more relaxed and conserving pace further down the line on another Honda...

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: billy-joe on January 13, 2018, 08:09:25 pm
i flippen love this thread!  thanks for the updates gents!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 08:13:41 pm
Really worried about my girl Gabriela - she is marked as started but no time on any WP. Really hope it is just tracker issue - so far she was making admirable no drama steady progress, especially for a Dakar noob.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 08:22:39 pm
BamBam in the ASS. If the positions remain the same as in WP7, he is third overall with Yamaha at the top (AVB) followed by two Hondas (Kevin B and JBB). Only then we have first KTM - Walkner with considerable 4 minutes behind Barreda and TP next even further behind - 10 minutes behind Barreda.

KTM have their work cut out for themselves for next few days... should make for interesting racing in the next few stages. Toby Pie starts tomorrow 4th - 12 minutes behind  JBB who will be opening, and 9 minutes behind current overall leader AVB. So all he needs to do is catch up with them and pull back most of the time differece - even get ahead of Barreda if he really catch him up. But then of course he will be opening next day...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 13, 2018, 08:40:14 pm
14:21 Despres helping Peterhansel
Cyril Despres, long out of contention for the overall win, has stopped to help Peterhansel repair his 3008 DKR. 'Mister Dakar' has been at a standstill for over an hour now...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: peteb on January 13, 2018, 08:40:36 pm
BamBam in the ASS. If the positions remain the same as in WP7, he is third overall with Yamaha at the top (AVB) followed by two Hondas (Kevin B and JBB). Only then we have first KTM - Walkner with considerable 4 minutes behind Barreda and TP next even further behind - 10 minutes behind Barreda.

KTM have their work cut out for themselves for next few days... should make for interesting racing in the next few stages. Toby Pie starts tomorrow 4th - 12 minutes behind  JBB who will be opening, and 9 minutes behind current overall leader AVB. So all he needs to do is catch up with them and pull back most of the time differece - even get ahead of Barreda if he really catch him up. But then of course he will be opening next day...
Apparently JBB has said that he had a huge crash today and has injured his knee quite badly
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 08:43:53 pm
BamBam in the ASS. If the positions remain the same as in WP7, he is third overall with Yamaha at the top (AVB) followed by two Hondas (Kevin B and JBB). Only then we have first KTM - Walkner with considerable 4 minutes behind Barreda and TP next even further behind - 10 minutes behind Barreda.

KTM have their work cut out for themselves for next few days... should make for interesting racing in the next few stages. Toby Pie starts tomorrow 4th - 12 minutes behind  JBB who will be opening, and 9 minutes behind current overall leader AVB. So all he needs to do is catch up with them and pull back most of the time differece - even get ahead of Barreda if he really catch him up. But then of course he will be opening next day...
Apparently JBB has said that he had a huge crash today and has injured his knee quite badly

Oh no - not this shit again! I was almost ready to root for him.

Where is the info from?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 08:49:11 pm
OK, I see - people talk about it on advrider based on interview he did. Seems like it happened at km 300 or so, so that may have been why he slowed down (though still keeping up with the front runners.

Let's hope it is not serious and he can sleep it off. Otherwise I'm afraid this is beginning of his end, at least in Honda factory team. Luckily for them, they have Kevin B placed nicely to try to get that top spot.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 09:13:26 pm
Any Honda or Yamaha for the win please, no more KTM's :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 13, 2018, 09:14:47 pm
Any Honda or Yamaha for the win please, no more KTM's :ricky:

On your knees son  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sheepman on January 13, 2018, 09:17:18 pm
Toby will start to push now  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 13, 2018, 09:21:00 pm
Did you read his cruising comment yesterday
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sheepman on January 13, 2018, 09:21:46 pm
Did you read his cruising comment yesterday

Sure did  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 09:26:47 pm
How many stages left ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: markdiver on January 13, 2018, 09:45:13 pm
How many stages left ?

Use the link below, you will get a lot of info about the race there.  It is official Dakar website.

https://www.dakar.com/en/stage-7/bike
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 13, 2018, 10:06:16 pm
Ok i just about had it now with TP. I am phoning MrCurtiss now with a message for TP and its al9ng the lines of W. . .t. . .f. . .u .
Now . .  :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 13, 2018, 10:08:40 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

Measure the size and population of your country compared to SA and then start stirring  :pot:
 :peepwall:
Lol, then the Indian and Chinese should win it every year!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 10:09:32 pm
Joan Barreda: "I can't even put my foot on the floor"

Pushing hard in an attempt to move up in the general classification, the Spaniard made a mistake that could well send him home.

"I started the stage all guns blazing and everything was going well, but around kilometre 300 I went off-track and had a nasty fall. I think I broke my knee, and from then the pain made me slow down. Now it's time to see what we can do about it, but it's looking really bad. I'm sure it's broken, my knee is out of whack and I can't even put my foot on the floor."

That’s from ADV post. I truly hope he hasn’t hurt himself badly, and can race hard tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 10:14:04 pm
Peterhansel on the move but lost 1h45 mins, Sainz takes the stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 10:18:30 pm
Joan Barreda: "I can't even put my foot on the floor"

Pushing hard in an attempt to move up in the general classification, the Spaniard made a mistake that could well send him home.

"I started the stage all guns blazing and everything was going well, but around kilometre 300 I went off-track and had a nasty fall. I think I broke my knee, and from then the pain made me slow down. Now it's time to see what we can do about it, but it's looking really bad. I'm sure it's broken, my knee is out of whack and I can't even put my foot on the floor."

That’s from ADV post. I truly hope he hasn’t hurt himself badly, and can race hard tomorrow.
And this was predicted by almost everyone, would be a real shame if he misses out on another Dakar whilst in with a good shot of winning. No way you can sleep off a broken knee, only the adrenaline that kept him going today ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 13, 2018, 10:22:25 pm
I wonder if the parts canabalised of Cyril’s car to get Peterhansel moving again mean Despres is out. That looked like a lot of damage.
Impressive that they managed to do that at the side of a mudhole in the middle of nowhere, in 1hour 40 minutes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 13, 2018, 10:23:36 pm
I think the "broken" knee may just be poor translation..

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2018, 10:26:18 pm
I think the "broken" knee may just be poor translation..

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Well lets hope so but Dakar.com ran the same story
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 13, 2018, 10:33:28 pm
I wonder if the parts canabalised of Cyril’s car to get Peterhansel moving again mean Despres is out. That looked like a lot of damage.
Impressive that they managed to do that at the side of a mudhole in the middle of nowhere, in 1hour 40 minutes.


And its a marathon stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: XRRX on January 13, 2018, 10:45:27 pm
Joan Barreda: "I can't even put my foot on the floor"

Pushing hard in an attempt to move up in the general classification, the Spaniard made a mistake that could well send him home.

"I started the stage all guns blazing and everything was going well, but around kilometre 300 I went off-track and had a nasty fall. I think I broke my knee, and from then the pain made me slow down. Now it's time to see what we can do about it, but it's looking really bad. I'm sure it's broken, my knee is out of whack and I can't even put my foot on the floor."

That’s from ADV post. I truly hope he hasn’t hurt himself badly, and can race hard tomorrow.

  :BangHead:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 13, 2018, 10:53:12 pm
It would appear that the info is correct about BB.

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1697923823600251/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KiLRoy on January 13, 2018, 10:55:00 pm
They have already rebuild Cyril's car after his crash to be Mr Dakar's personal in race parts truck.  Wtf
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 13, 2018, 11:02:09 pm
From Dakar.com

16:46 Metge gives up!
Michael Metge is throwing in the towel. The Frenchman, who had been struggling for hours after breaking a wheel, was unable to reach the finish and has therefore decided to withdraw. A double blow for Honda after Joan Barreda's injury.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 13, 2018, 11:02:48 pm
I could not find a Saffer in the top 40, is this true or am I blind?

I found 4 Americans in the top 40 in bike class  :pot:

Measure the size and population of your country compared to SA and then start stirring  :pot:
 :peepwall:

BO show us any American that has finished the Dakar in the top 5 on bikes...... :pot: :pot:

 :lol8:  I have no idea how many......zero??

Americans most likely weren't that interested in the old Paris to Dakar rally since they'd have to participate in those 'shithole' African countries  :imaposer: :imaposer:  :imaposer:

I'm just messing with you WD's.  On my tracker for the rally, I am tracking all riders from USA, ZAF, GBR, and CAN and hoping all do well and finish safely.

All the best to your fellow countrymen participating.  I'm hoping an American or Souf Efrican or Canuck or Brit wins.  :ricky: :ricky: but I don't really care whom wins.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 13, 2018, 11:07:19 pm
Really worried about my girl Gabriela - she is marked as started but no time on any WP. Really hope it is just tracker issue - so far she was making admirable no drama steady progress, especially for a Dakar noob.

Saw on the DSTV Stage recap video that she almost got run over by a car! He then helped her with a broken aerial and offered her help in the bivouac tonight, but I see she still hasn't reached any waypoints.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 11:13:58 pm
Really worried about my girl Gabriela - she is marked as started but no time on any WP. Really hope it is just tracker issue - so far she was making admirable no drama steady progress, especially for a Dakar noob.

Saw on the DSTV Stage recap video that she almost got run over by a car! He then helped her with a broken aerial and offered her help in the bivouac tonight, but I see she still hasn't reached any waypoints.

Still hoping for tracker issue. The withdrawal list seems to be updated regularly and she is still not in the list, so hopefully she is still pushing on.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 13, 2018, 11:35:16 pm
Donovan is in  :thumleft:, Willem should be close behind.

Now just Gerry *slow clap*...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2018, 11:37:51 pm
Really worried about my girl Gabriela - she is marked as started but no time on any WP. Really hope it is just tracker issue - so far she was making admirable no drama steady progress, especially for a Dakar noob.

Saw on the DSTV Stage recap video that she almost got run over by a car! He then helped her with a broken aerial and offered her help in the bivouac tonight, but I see she still hasn't reached any waypoints.

Here is video of that incident, and it was close for the poor girl, but I don't think it was in today's stage. They are out of those dunes and sun now and in the Bolivian rain and mud/wet sand:


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 12:08:19 am
Hmm
The twit that ran over Joey can learn a thing or two from that driver.
Go Gabriella!
I see Guilaumme withdrew. He dud Amageza a few years ago, nice guy. This is his second attempt I think, he broke his leg on the first one.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 12:26:05 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 12:27:11 am
Willem’s in, Gerry WP5.
Come on Gerry.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 12:38:20 am
Gerry@WP6  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 12:41:46 am
The organisers have a cunning strategy to prevent any possibility of, um, attraction between riders resulting in untoward behaviour on the marathon stage.
They issue them with this.
Best contraceptive known to man.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:11:47 am
,

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 04:51:55 am
Gerry’s in  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 05:01:02 am
Tough first leg of the marathon stage

Monster Energy Honda Team today battled its way through a complicated marathon stage in the 2018 Dakar Rally. Joan Barreda took the triumph in the special stage despite crashing en route. Kevin Benavides posted third position. Both are still well set up for final overall podium places.

The second week of the 2018 Dakar kicked off with rain, as had been expected in the Bolivian highlands. From now on, the special stages of the second week’s racing increase in mileage as well as in altitude, with the three stages set to cover the Transandine territory, which will play out at an average altitude of 3500 metres above sea level.

The riders today got to tackle the part one of the first of two marathon stages scheduled for this edition of the Dakar. With the rest day over, the entourage has moved on from the capital of Bolivia to a new bivouac located in Uyuni, where the riders arrived today after a cold and rainy liaison section from La Paz to Oruro. This marked the start of the special which would later end up at the Uyuni military barracks where the riders will spend the night. In this marathon stage, external mechanical assistance is prohibited, with only the riders themselves authorized to perform maintenance or any necessary repairs on the bikes.

The special, with both fast and muddy tracks – much of which was very broken up in the opening stretches – combined offroad riding over sand and vegetation with some physically and technically demanding sections. This required some deft riding skills to stop the bikes from sinking into the ground or collapsing. There were plenty of river crossings towards the end of the rally to add an extra degree of difficulty.

Joan Barreda set a furious pace on the muddy tracks and had soon set the fastest time of the day. In the latter part of the special, the Spanish rider fell hard and damaged a knee, although despite this, was able to finish the stage with yet another victory, the third in this Dakar 2018 and the 22nd in his history of the race. Barreda is third in the general standings, 4’45” off the leader.

A good day for Kevin Benavides who held on to the third position from which he started this morning. In spite of having conceded the overall leader’s spot, the Argentinean keeps his options open and lies a mere 3’14” off the current leader Adrien Van Beveren.

American Ricky Brabec and Chilean José Ignacio Cornejo finished the stage without taking too many risks. Brabec came home tenth and Cornejo twenty-fourth. Michael Metge arrived back late at the bivouac, delayed after suffering a rear wheel problem and is out of the race.

The second part of this marathon stage will conclude tomorrow in Tupiza, where after 498 kilometres of special and 87 km of link, riders will once again be able to receive help from their mechanics.

Joan Barreda
Stage: 1st Overall: 3rd
I was doing well and had recovered several minutes when in the middle of the storm I left the track and the bike fell on me, hitting my left knee. I had the doctors look me over and they have told me that there is nothing broken, but that I have some liquid inside the knee. Let's see if they can fix it and tomorrow we will start to try to hold on to the stage, although I saw the stars when I had to put my leg down on some corners.
(He’s going to ride  :biggrin:)

Ricky Brabec 20
Stage: 10th Overall: 11th
In this seventh stage, the first part of the first Marathon, I didn’t feel comfortable with the rain, which has not left us all day. But the tracks were quite quick and I could go fairly fast, but without taking too many risks because I wanted to get to the Uyuni bivouac in one piece and with the bike without problems. Now let's see how we prepare tomorrow's stage.

Kevin Benavides 47
Stage: 3rd Overall: 2nd
It has been a very hard stage; basically it rained all day. At the beginning there was a lot of navigation and dunes with vegetation and it was very difficult. At kilometre 100 I caught the riders in front and we opened the track together until halfway through the race. We knew we had lost time because we were slow opening the track. Then we started attacking towards the end to recover a good pace. We hope to finish this marathon stage well tomorrow.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 05:02:42 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 05:04:43 am
Laia blog

Laia Sanz: "It was the hardest stage we have done so far"

In the seventh special of the Dakar Rally, the Soficat Xerox driver had to overcome a large mud to finish in 19th position.
The multi-champion is 18th overall and is now only two and a half minutes away from the top 15.
"I lost time in the mud because I did not wear motocross tires, which for today would have been better, but in a marathon it's a little risky."
The Dakar Rally has returned to action this Saturday after the day of rest that pilots enjoyed yesterday in La Paz (Bolivia). He had to wear the competition clothes and return to the task with the dispute of the seventh stage, which has also been a marathon, that is, without the possibility of mechanical assistance. Laia Sanz has covered the 425 kilometers of special stage - plus the 302 kilometers of the link - in 19th position, 27'27 "behind the first one. In the general is 18th and now is closer to the top 15, which is only 2 minutes and 33 seconds, while the top 10 is 52'01 ".
The Soficat Xerox driver has arrived at the Uyuni camp happy after having run very well in the first part of the timed, which has reached tenth place on its way through the second waypoint. The good feelings for Laia have lasted little because the track has become a mud, where it has suffered and has given time for mounting tires poorly indicated for the terrain that has been found.
"I think I have taken a good pace because I have reached Pedrero and I have been able to continue until I have been very hooked in the mud, where I will have lost three or four minutes. The problem I have had is that I did not wear motocross tires, which would have been better for today, but in a marathon it is a bit risky. That is the reason why today I have lost so much, although I thought it would be more, "he acknowledges.
The 18 times world champion has not hesitated to qualify this seventh stage as "the hardest we have done in this Dakar, until now". For Laia, "it was a very physical special, at first with 'camel grass' very machacona, then with very fast sand tracks and then with a large barrizal of 340 kilometers in a row."
Despite the setback in the mud, the Soficat Xerox claims to be "happy because nothing has happened, I have not had any falls, the bike is fine and that's what is important in a marathon stage without mechanical assistance".
After reviewing her KTM 450 Rally of the KTM Factory Racing Team herself, Corbera de Llobregat is ready to face the second part of the marathon, which will be played this Sunday between Uyuni and Tupiza, with 87 kilometers of link and nothing else and nothing less than 498 kilometers against the clock, in what will be the longest special - for motorcycles - in the entire Dakar Rally 2018.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 05:24:25 am
Tomorrow’s stage:
Stage 8: Uyuni – Tupiza: 584 km (SS: 498 km)
 
• Assistance: tomorrow border crossing Bolivia – Argentina:

The second part of this marathon stage also includes the longest special stage of the rally, covering nearly 500 kilometres. Before leaving the Altiplano, the competitors will be put to a tough test in high-altitude sand dunes 3,500 m above sea level. This should start to give us a better idea of the leader board; the handful of men or women capable of winning the Dakar will now be revealed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 07:11:40 am
Really worried about my girl Gabriela - she is marked as started but no time on any WP. Really hope it is just tracker issue - so far she was making admirable no drama steady progress, especially for a Dakar noob.

Saw on the DSTV Stage recap video that she almost got run over by a car! He then helped her with a broken aerial and offered her help in the bivouac tonight, but I see she still hasn't reached any waypoints.

Here is video of that incident, and it was close for the poor girl, but I don't think it was in today's stage. They are out of those dunes and sun now and in the Bolivian rain and mud/wet sand:




 :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Alright - she made it! It was  the tracker issue  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 14, 2018, 08:33:30 am
Thanks guys,hoping the dutch sounding frenchman can pull off a win for Yamaha
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 08:49:05 am
At this stage my preferred winners would be either AVB or Kevin B. It would be great to have Yamaha or Honda winning this - the excitement in the aftermath may push them to ignore accountants and produce a real right sized DS bike, something they were avoiding to do for way over a decade by now.

I'm particularly impressed by Kevin B - he is riding very smart race controling the front but not taking undue risks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 09:28:41 am
Barreda for the win  :thumleft:
Honda, Yamaha and KTM on the podium - in that order.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2018, 09:55:11 am
Any news on Barreda's knee?


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 10:02:19 am
Any news on Barreda's knee?

Not broken, but there is fluid, so it is properly injured.
He plans to ride today, but it remains to be seen at what pace.
There was one more thing......


Oh yes, he’s going to win. Steve said so.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 14, 2018, 10:04:58 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2018, 10:27:34 am
To have that happen and still smash everyones time is epic!

Would like to see him ride in person


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 14, 2018, 10:36:36 am
I would like to see Toby take the stage today!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 14, 2018, 11:48:06 am
Barreda for the win  :thumleft:
Honda, Yamaha and KTM on the podium - in that order.  :peepwall:
Your enthusiasm is getting the better of your common sense! Barreda will blow it again, as he always does.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2018, 12:26:31 pm
At this stage my preferred winners would be either AVB or Kevin B. It would be great to have Yamaha or Honda winning this - the excitement in the aftermath may push them to ignore accountants and produce a real right sized DS bike, something they were avoiding to do for way over a decade by now.

I'm particularly impressed by Kevin B - he is riding very smart race controling the front but not taking undue risks.
+1
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 12:34:41 pm
If i am not mistaken then it seems we are RACING again  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
If Toby does not find those missing 4th and 5th gear today i might just have another blerry cardiac incident  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 12:50:37 pm
Yes, we are on. And Barreda is riding - let's see how serious the injury is. I hope not much - will be much more interesting with him in the mix than without.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 12:52:15 pm
 :thumleft: Yes if its not gonna be TP then at least let be a Non Froggie  :lol8: Just to pee of the French  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 01:01:54 pm
So if Lyndon gets up at 4h00am and then starts in 1Hour and 20 mins thus at 05h20am. How early in the mornings does the 1st riders getup and start  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 01:03:18 pm
TP is gunning it so far first on WP1. But Barreda doesn't seem that bad either - he managed to open a gap on AVB, even though he is opening and AVB following.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2018, 01:05:17 pm
Bolivia TV live at the start

https://livestream.com/accounts/10468276/boliviatv

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2018, 01:23:06 pm
Bolivia TV live at the start

https://livestream.com/accounts/10468276/boliviatv

Great link thanks
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 01:54:46 pm
Barreda losing big time on WP3 - over 10 minutes over TP and 5 minutes on AVB. Anybody aware about what is happening? Has he got lost for a bit?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2018, 01:56:29 pm
Wonder what's happened to meo? Not through wp3


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2018, 01:57:03 pm
See him now


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:07:33 pm
BB falling down behindand has been overtaken some time ago . The sharp end - physically - is Kevin B, AVB and TP riding together withing few seconds.

Looks like BB either got lost, or the knee is getting better of him sadly.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 14, 2018, 02:09:01 pm
Glad to see Toby doing his thing and Jbb getting left behind! KTM!

If KTM doesn't take it, I would like to see P Quintanilla or AvB take it!


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:19:50 pm
BB seems to have stopped time leakage - got 10 seconds back on Meo. Not a big deal, but seems to indicate that he is still hauling and the time slippage was probably because of navigational error, rather than sore knee. Moreover, now he has 3 people opening for him, so we should see soon enough if he can catch up with them and hang on.

Will be interesting if TP who is now in the leading group will try to run away and open or just let everybody behind to catch up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 02:32:31 pm
See the Merican has also found some extra gears today
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 02:39:09 pm
TP would however need to gooi a bit more kole as he needs 13mins to get to AVB and around 10 mins for Benevides
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:46:47 pm
TP would however need to gooi a bit more kole as he needs 13mins to get to AVB and around 10 mins for Benevides

So it will be interesting if he is going to risk to try to shake them off and navigate on his own. I think they both have what it takes to just tag him today and keep their time advantage (minus the 3 resp 6 minutes Toby gained today) into the next stage.

But we will see. Maybe Toby has found his past form and will risk gunning it and navigating at the same time. But I don't think so - he is pretty cautious this Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 02:51:38 pm
TP would however need to gooi a bit more kole as he needs 13mins to get to AVB and around 10 mins for Benevides

So it will be interesting if he is going to risk to try to shake them off and navigate on his own. I think they both have what it takes to just tag him today and keep their time advantage (minus the 3 resp 6 minutes Toby gained today) into the next stage.

But we will see. Maybe Toby has found his past form and will risk gunning it and navigating at the same time. But I don't think so - he is pretty cautious this Dakar.

Yes i still think his fitness is holding him back and yes that massive rod in his leg also still very fresh in his mind. Still very impressive to ride like this with no real time to train.
Definitely a VERY interesting Dakar so far   :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 02:52:44 pm
Eish DeSoultrait crashed out  :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:53:24 pm
WP 2 - JBB lost another minute to leader Mao, but more importantly pulled back almost minute from TP. Clearly even TP is not at his best opening so far.

Edit: Sorry - WP5
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 02:54:57 pm
Eish DeSoultrait crashed out  :eek7:

That is a bummer - I like the guy!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 02:57:36 pm
Looks like the Merican has just taken the 2nd pos from TP at WP5
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 03:00:26 pm
Looks like the Merican has just taken the 2nd pos from TP at WP5

Toby is opening (with AVB and KB) and clearly he is not going to take risks so he eased up. Even JBB is now closing slowly his gap to TP (but not to Meo - but I don't think he cares about him).
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 03:02:19 pm
Looks like the Merican has just taken the 2nd pos from TP at WP5

Toby is opening (with AVB and KB) and clearly he is not going to take risks so he eased up. Even JBB is now closing slowly his gap to TP (but not to Meo - but I don't think he cares about him).

 :thumleft: Ja dont know what Meo had for breakfast  :patch: :lol8: Yes sure JBB has really only TP in his sights
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 03:04:22 pm
I just checked - it is not leading trio upfront, but foursome - JBB is right on the heels of TP, AVB and KB, trailing just 6 seconds (meaning physically on the course, not in terms of stage results).
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 03:06:09 pm
Looks like the Merican has just taken the 2nd pos from TP at WP5

Toby is opening (with AVB and KB) and clearly he is not going to take risks so he eased up. Even JBB is now closing slowly his gap to TP (but not to Meo - but I don't think he cares about him).

 :thumleft: Ja dont know what Meo had for breakfast  :patch: :lol8: Yes sure JBB has really only TP in his sights

Nothing - he just had advantage of starting from 9th postion, so much more time to follow the tracks and not focusing on navigation. You can clearly see how TP slowed down once he caught up with the sharp end. BTW the consensus on advrider for today's winner was Meo exactly for this reason.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 03:06:16 pm
Eish eish
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 14, 2018, 03:06:49 pm
I just checked - it is not leading trio upfront, but foursome - JBB is right on the heels of TP, AVB and KB, trailing just 6 seconds (meaning physically on the course, not in terms of stage results).

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 14, 2018, 04:58:12 pm
I just checked - it is not leading trio upfront, but foursome - JBB is right on the heels of TP, AVB and KB, trailing just 6 seconds (meaning physically on the course, not in terms of stage results).

 :thumleft:

This says it all. Toby Pie is pushing harder today. I think he is going on the attack all the way now.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 14, 2018, 05:19:06 pm
I don't think Barreda is worried too much about rear tyre - I'm sure his rear tyre for tomorrow is following him at much more relaxed and conserving pace further down the line on another Honda...

I understand from the Lyndon Poskitt video that they 'seal' the tyre with a sticker to prevent riders from changing tyres?
Are you not allowed to change with other riders or is this only malle moto?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 14, 2018, 05:35:23 pm
I don't think Barreda is worried too much about rear tyre - I'm sure his rear tyre for tomorrow is following him at much more relaxed and conserving pace further down the line on another Honda...

I understand from the Lyndon Poskitt video that they 'seal' the tyre with a sticker to prevent riders from changing tyres?
Are you not allowed to change with other riders or is this only malle moto?

It may be a new rule, but I think it is more likely that they just want to make sure there is no "tyregate" like we had in the past where Coma got a new tyre that had been left for him along the course somewhere.

I woiuld imagine that if two competitors chose to swap tyres in the marathon bivouac they could do so, under the watchful eye of the orga.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: mike gs on January 14, 2018, 05:49:58 pm
I think on the marathon stage you cannot change tyres.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 14, 2018, 05:52:32 pm
Seems a little strange, the front 4 has reached WP10, but only 10 bikes have gone through WP9!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 06:50:22 pm
Tomorrow's stage  has been cancelled due to rain. It will be just one long liaison.

This is common occurance on every Dakar there and KTM better start working now, because they may run out of stages before they catch up. So far they haven[t done enough to dethrone AVB and KB, and even JBB seems to have recovered at least somewhat from his yesteday's mishap, so may come back with vengeance, starting down the rankings which will give him advantage to catch up on a lot of time in the next racing stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 14, 2018, 06:51:54 pm
Dont think we could ask for better racing coming the next couple of days :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 06:54:57 pm
Seems a little strange, the front 4 has reached WP10, but only 10 bikes have gone through WP9!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 07:02:37 pm
So Meo takes it from Brabec and then TP  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: Was good racing
There by the cages there is 1 moerse daais going on  :eek7: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 07:04:51 pm
Couple of Navigators with skid marks tonight  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 14, 2018, 07:14:52 pm
The Soultrain has left the rails

Let's go Brabec.

JBB is the fastest rider, but he doesn't have the brains to get it done for the duration, imo.  I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 14, 2018, 07:18:03 pm
Prinses Laia aan die brand vandag! Lyk of sy dalk haar top 10 plek sal kan vashou!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 07:20:41 pm
Prinses Laia aan die brand vandag! Lyk of sy dalk haar top 10 plek sal kan vashou!

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Eish ja besef ons regtag wat daai girl regkry om 11de te le tussen daai name op daai lys  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 14, 2018, 07:37:07 pm
Who is this media guy that posts this rubbish  :patch:

12:52 Van Beveren keeps his lead by 22 seconds!
Adrien Van Beveren saved his overall lead over Kevin Benavides by just 22 seconds. The gap to the rest of the field has grown, with Matthias Walkner at 6'34' and Toby Price at 7'35' after stage 7.

According to my calculations the only 1 where the gap has grown is Barreda. All the other has gained on AVB  >:( :o 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 07:46:23 pm
Who is this media guy that posts this rubbish  :patch:

12:52 Van Beveren keeps his lead by 22 seconds!
Adrien Van Beveren saved his overall lead over Kevin Benavides by just 22 seconds. The gap to the rest of the field has grown, with Matthias Walkner at 6'34' and Toby Price at 7'35' after stage 7.

According to my calculations the only 1 where the gap has grown is Barreda. All the other has gained on AVB  >:( :o 8)

I think they mean that AVB and KB have opened bigger gap on the third.

Yesterday JBB was in third 4:45 bhind AVB and today third Walkner is 6:34 behind the leader. In a way they are right - we are so focused on TP and JBB that we tend to forget that its AVB and KB who needs to be beat for victory right now. And they both run a clever stage and increased the lead on their pursuers. And tomorrow they will have again chance to increas as they will be starting down the line and being able to gun it following tracks and not wasting too much effort on navigation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 14, 2018, 08:09:13 pm
It’s a shame that tommrow is canceled :( I want the guys at the top to fight it out ALL the way... and for TP tomhave enough time to attack...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 08:17:22 pm
It’s a shame that tommrow is canceled :( I want the guys at the top to fight it out ALL the way... and for TP tomhave enough time to attack...

I have a sense that TP doesn't have it in him this year. At least the raw speed/confidence he used to have before his crash, that enabled him to dictate to others when there was a need (i.e. go out there and win stage on his own). Today he had golden oportunity to create pressure on his main oponents (AVB, KB and JBB) and it looks he didn't even try.

I am guessing that he is not yet 100% fit and therefore this game of slow attrition is probably the smartest strategy. But KTM are starting to run out of time and if they continue like this may depend solely on mistakes made by other teams, rather than their own successfull initiative.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sheepman on January 14, 2018, 08:44:07 pm
It’s a shame that tommrow is canceled :( I want the guys at the top to fight it out ALL the way... and for TP tomhave enough time to attack...

I have a sense that TP doesn't have it in him this year. At least the raw speed/confidence he used to have before his crash, that enabled him to dictate to others when there was a need (i.e. go out there and win stage on his own). Today he had golden oportunity to create pressure on his main oponents (AVB, KB and JBB) and it looks he didn't even try.

I am guessing that he is not yet 100% fit and therefore this game of slow attrition is probably the smartest strategy. But KTM are starting to run out of time and if they continue like this may depend solely on mistakes made by other teams, rather than their own successfull initiative.

Still quite a few stages...so lets see.Thus far " Mr. Price " looks more reserved.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 08:53:08 pm
Our boys are progressing through the mud.
David@WP10
Willem and Donovan@WP9
Gerry@WP7

No racing tomorrow, but it will be a long, long liaison.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 14, 2018, 08:54:32 pm
Can you imagine the upset if AVB wins it on the Yamaha.  Will be a huge eye opener for KTM and Honda.

I can see why Tobes is not taking any risks with that huge pin in his leg (that got replaced as recently as October  :eek7:).  According to me he's quite a bit faster than any of the other top riders and is therefore still able to tag along, hoping to pounce on mistakes from the others.  Give him time till next year  ;)

Apart from the French combo (pity about Soultrait) I really like the Honda duo of Benavides and Barreda.  Benavides will surely benefit from the Argentinian leg coming up and has a very real chance of nailing it for the win.

Pity about the cancellation of tomorrow's stage due to weather and protests against Bolivian president Evo Morales and Dakar ??? What is that all about?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 14, 2018, 09:06:27 pm
I’m a huge KTM fanboy, but if they don’t win this year I hope it’s Yamaha. Just because they seem like “underdogs” compared to Honda. And I don’t like Honda’s propensity for butthurt when things don’t go their way
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 09:09:02 pm
and protests against Bolivian president Evo Morales and Dakar ??? What is that all about?

Eish. Gilly mentioned something on Facebook about having to do a huge detour, or some kind of delay, due to protests last week. Those were apparently nothing to do with Dakar, but Bliksem! Can't they wait until next week to protest?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 09:09:44 pm
Gerry meanwhile rolls on past WP8  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 09:10:39 pm
And David finishes the stage  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 09:23:27 pm
Hmm
Speculation on Twitter that due to the bivvy being basically a mud-hole, riders are going to be asked to ride to the bivvy at Salta tonight. That's an iron-butt day, way over 1000km.
Not confirmed, but bliksem.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 14, 2018, 09:24:39 pm
Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2018, 09:32:25 pm
Thread cleaned of R&P stuff. Keep it on Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 09:35:17 pm

Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?

It is definitely not based on CRF250 Rally. Honda has been racing these Dakar 450s (in all their incarnations) way before any CRF250 existed. And I'm pretty sure there is not much common between the bikes apart from the looks (where 250 was roughly based on Dakar 450).

Whether there is 450 coming out on the market or not, I don't know - check with Hardy de Kock, he might know. But this being Honda, unlike KTM (at least in the good old days of LC8) their real world bikes usually have very little common with the rally machines- apart from looks - even if they use racing successes for marketing. For example original AFrica Twin XRV750, that was being marketed based on the Honda successed in Dakar in 80s, had absolutely nothing common with the race bike. It actually had a modified engine from some cruiser or some such. I don't think there was single component common (not so sure about its predecesor XRV650 which was supposedly better though).

And looking at the CRF250 Rally - it seems pretty safe bet that Honda again is going to be conservative and will not produce anything remotely similar to their real racing machines, even if it is going to look similar. They are again going to push sensibility over thrills. I would like to be wrong on this one ...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 10:05:54 pm
Willem and Donovan@ASS
Gerry@WP9
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2018, 10:49:11 pm
Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?
I know the first year or two it was based on the CRF450X with added power by means of some parts of the CRF450R mx bike (head etc.). By now I dont know maybe still some dna.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 11:08:56 pm
Gerry through WP10. He should be 45-60 minutes away from the ASS.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 11:16:01 pm
Gabriela is home!

See ya on Tuesday - or rather not, I better get moving with my Moz trip...  :peepwall: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2018, 11:18:23 pm
Gabriela is home!

See ya on Tuesday - or rather not, I better get moving with my Moz trip...  :peepwall: :ricky:

Ja ja, like you can!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 11:26:25 pm
OK, I'm back  :peepwall: O0

This is from advrider - is this true (I don't know where to check for official penalties). If so it is going to mix up top 10 quite a bit:

MATTHIAS WALKNER
RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM 27H 28' 37'' + 00H 06' 34'' 00H 01' 00''
ANTOINE MEO
RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM 27H 31' 59'' + 00H 09' 56'' 00H 01' 00''
STEFAN SVITKO
SLOVNAFT RALLY TEAM 27H 53' 58'' + 00H 31' 55'' 00H 01' 00''

All 1 Hour penalty
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 11:28:54 pm
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2018, 11:33:47 pm
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...

I hour penalty for you  :dousing:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2018, 11:39:51 pm
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...

I hour penalty for you  :dousing:

That is fine, I'm here for the finish not position.

I ride Malle Moto (or rather 'Originals by Motul') - my maid is still 'closed' as she puts it, so I had to wash my own dishes today and stuff unassisted. I better catch my three hours of sleep before tomorrows long liaison - it's going to be bitch!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 15, 2018, 12:24:16 am
Gerry's in  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 12:25:31 am
.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 15, 2018, 06:09:52 am
and protests against Bolivian president Evo Morales and Dakar ??? What is that all about?

Eish. Gilly mentioned something on Facebook about having to do a huge detour, or some kind of delay, due to protests last week. Those were apparently nothing to do with Dakar, but Bliksem! Can't they wait until next week to protest?

Bolivians love to protest. When I worked there it was most of the time a total gong-show getting anywhere because of these idiots blocking the roads. It's in their culture. That the protesters are often drunk and doped up a lot of the time is part of it.

Very unlikely because of the Dakar, but any reason is a good reason to protest in Bolivia.  :bueller:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: edgy on January 15, 2018, 07:15:05 am
Some stunning pics on Advrider :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: edgy on January 15, 2018, 07:16:34 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2018, 07:26:54 am
Great photos Edgy!

Those vehicles probably all uses K+N filters. :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 15, 2018, 07:33:43 am
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=216725.0;attach=575216;image)

Bucket list for me : Be in that chopper following dakar taking pictures. (Would never be able to ride it )
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 15, 2018, 07:37:51 am
Great photos Edgy!

Those vehicles probably all uses K+N filters. :pot:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:  Please don't bring Mr. Paper Air Filter out of the woodwork, 2sd. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 15, 2018, 08:50:17 am
(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=216725.0;attach=575216;image)

Bucket list for me : Be in that chopper following dakar taking pictures. (Would never be able to ride it )

Man, what I would do to ride just one of these stages.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Cdp13 on January 15, 2018, 12:54:25 pm
Saw only now that Gerard de Rooy competed in Africa Eco Race. Instead of Dakar. Interesting... In promo vid (actually Day 1 vid) for Eco Race they also make a few bold claims, i.e. hardest rally raid on the planet, last true rally raid, etc etc. Looks like the Eco Race is getting momentum. Will be interesting debate in the future. Can anyone forsee that it will at some stage surpass ASO Dakar i.t.o. numbers, status etc?

I for one like the idea of competition, at least keeps everyone on their toes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: westfrogger on January 15, 2018, 01:39:52 pm
Saw only now that Gerard de Rooy competed in Africa Eco Race. Instead of Dakar. Interesting... In promo vid (actually Day 1 vid) for Eco Race they also make a few bold claims, i.e. hardest rally raid on the planet, last true rally raid, etc etc. Looks like the Eco Race is getting momentum. Will be interesting debate in the future. Can anyone forsee that it will at some stage surpass ASO Dakar i.t.o. numbers, status etc?

I for one like the idea of competition, at least keeps everyone on their toes.

My 2c worth: they need to stop comparing it to the Dakar Rally and start doing their own thing. And doing it properly. The whole effort looks amateur (from a consumer perspective: the likes of me being what the sponsors are trying to impress). I watched the first 1,5 stages, and everything from the graphics south annoyed me. Schlesser is walking around thinking he is a $#@^ mafia don. No thanks. At least not yet ...  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 01:59:50 pm
I'm sure its a nice rally raid and most probably much more in the spirit of the early Dakars in 80-90s than current Dakar. I just cannot stand that name - there is nothing Ecco about it so stop being stupid  :peepwall: :pot:

And there are rumours of Dakar researching some routes in Algeria. Not sure if true - seems a bit dodgy, but with all the trouble they seem to have in SA (e.g. Chile being very negative, Peru touch and go every year - and without those two there are basically no dunes and proper navigation) they may be consisdering their options.

But even if Dakar moves back to Africa, I see this events as quite different. Current Dakar is massive business exercise with stocks high in terms of competition, cost, etc. Ecco Race seems more like a rally raid where like minded people come together and have an awesome ride, with some competition thrown in for good measure. Two different things, and while most people will wax lyrical about the Ecco race and bitch about Dakar as being corporate sell-out, I think they will still find Dakar more attractive to follow. Can you from top of your head name who won Ecco race last year or year before?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 15, 2018, 02:00:15 pm
 Schlesser

Lewe die poephol nog?!! :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 15, 2018, 02:29:49 pm
WoW !
Great pics , thanks for posting :-)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2018, 02:34:03 pm
I'm sure its a nice rally raid and most probably much more in the spirit of the early Dakars in 80-90s than current Dakar. I just cannot stand that name - there is nothing Ecco about it so stop being stupid  :peepwall: :pot:

And there are rumours of Dakar researching some routes in Algeria. Not sure if true - seems a bit dodgy, but with all the trouble they seem to have in SA (e.g. Chile being very negative, Peru touch and go every year - and without those two there are basically no dunes and proper navigation) they may be consisdering their options.

But even if Dakar moves back to Africa, I see this events as quite different. Current Dakar is massive business exercise with stocks high in terms of competition, cost, etc. Ecco Race seems more like a rally raid where like minded people come together and have an awesome ride, with some competition thrown in for good measure. Two different things, and while most people will wax lyrical about the Ecco race and bitch about Dakar as being corporate sell-out, I think they will still find Dakar more attractive to follow. Can you from top of your head name who won Ecco race last year or year before?
I had to Google ..... Gev Teddy Sella is an Israeli-South African motorcycle rider  :o Anyway Peterhansel seems to think the Africa one was tougher, sure it will go back one day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 15, 2018, 03:32:20 pm
 Just read that Sainz and Peterhansel face possible severe sanction or even expulsion . . .unsportmanlike attitude after hitting quad pilot and not stopping or attending . . . ( my short hand post)
(from Dakar 2018 chat group, Trevor)
Any confirmation
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 15, 2018, 03:40:25 pm
No confirmation, but this from a FB group:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 15, 2018, 03:58:38 pm
HKGK................. but they have strong brooms to sweep with
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Takashi on January 15, 2018, 04:01:14 pm
Sho, where can we get the reasons for all the other expulsions?

I have seen quite a bit of competitors on the withdrawal list showing expulsion and would very much like to know the reasons.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2018, 04:42:22 pm
Sho, where can we get the reasons for all the other expulsions?

I have seen quite a bit of competitors on the withdrawal list showing expulsion and would very much like to know the reasons.

I am pretty sure that almost all of them will be for missing too many way-points and a few more for taking too many option routes.

In one of the briefing videos, Coma warns the competitors that on the one stage there were 3 less difficult option routes each with a penalty of an hour or two. But also, that a competitor may not take more than 2 or them or they will be expelled.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: B.V. on January 15, 2018, 05:14:40 pm
No confirmation, but this from a FB group:


Nothing will happen. They are a French team on French Tires in a French Rally with a French driver.
Its not the first time something like this happens.
Last year it was the Diesel that the P Hansel got at a petrol stop for bikes.

Think the are great/fantastic racers but the lick the lolly when they can.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Serf on January 15, 2018, 05:31:31 pm
No confirmation, but this from a FB group:


Nothing will happen. They are a French team on French Tires in a French Rally with a French driver.
Its not the first time something like this happens.
Last year it was the Diesel that the P Hansel got at a petrol stop for bikes.

Think the are great/fantastic racers but the lick the lolly when they can.
Agree.

And if I remember correctly the FIA would have investigated Peterhansel last year after the race for hitting a biker. Don't know if something came from that.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Amsterdam on January 15, 2018, 06:19:26 pm
He did hit a biker last year and lost time while waiting with the injured rider waiting for a helicopter.  He was given the time back later.  Also read something earlier this year where the rider was very complimentary about Peterhansel's behaviour at the crash site and later during the year.

This was PH's comment afterwards -
Peterhansel told Racer that the crash with Marcic was unavoidable:

Today was a really complicated with a lot of navigation in the river beds. Everybody was completely lost. [Marcic] was in reverse and just when he saw me he braked, he braked and crashed and I stopped on him. I saw that his leg was broken but he was still conscious. We stayed for about 15 or 20 minutes with him to wait for the medical helicopter. After it was really complicated to restart, to drive with a good speed.

https://jalopnik.com/twelve-time-dakar-winner-collides-with-motorcycle-rider-1791111565

Finally caught up on this thread.  I see some of you put serious effort and time into this.  Thanks, makes it nice to follow from behind.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 15, 2018, 06:48:37 pm
Yeah PH likes to wipeout riders.  :dousing:

This will be the third time at least he has hit someone in just four years. The first time was when he could not wait for a pilot to cross a river so he pushed him in and said "sorri" afterwards.
Then there was last time he injured that guy as described above. But check out Heroes video from SS12 last year on youtube with Joey Evans doing the filming. Hi co-pilot was the one who looked after the guy.

The only reason he did that because he was scared of this very thing - disqualification. He has absolutely zero interest in anyone else except himself.

He is a prick and does not care, and Sainz has also hurt guys in the past. Robbie Gordon is also a culprit. Funny how it is always the same guys - All with ego's the size of planet earth. Pisses me off big time.

I hope they rule against these two assholes. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 06:49:04 pm
The rider Peterhansel has hit last year and broke his leg in the process was Simon Marcic. He is racing this year again in Malle Moto (#107) and is currently 5th overal in that category.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 06:51:52 pm
Yeah PH likes to wipeout riders.  :dousing:

This will be the third time at least he has hit someone in just four years. The first time was when he could not wait for a pilot to cross a river so he pushed him in and said "sorri" afterwards.
Then there was last time he injured that guy as described above. But check out Heroes video from SS12 last year on youtube with Joey Evans doing the filming.

He is a prick and does not care, and Sainz has also hurt guys in the past. Robbie Gordon is also a culprit. Funny how it is always the same guys - All with ego's the size of planet earth. Pisses me off big time.

Interesting. I knew about Peterhansel, but always thought that Robbie Gordon for all his flamboyance was actualy pretty considerate to bikers, going way out of his way to give them wide berth even if he was taking a risky offroad detour.

BB, are there specific instances where people complained about Gordon?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 15, 2018, 07:18:48 pm
XPAT, yes - Another French Aussie friend of mine Christoph Barrier Varju's account in I think it was 2009 or 2010 was that Robbie rode straight over his tent in the middle of the bivouac with his hummer. Luckily for Christoph, he had just gotten out of it!

Actually quite funny now that I think about it but at the time he was furious, it was a serious incident. He was especially angry about it because he had been narrowly missed on the course by Robbie the year before, and was adamant that he (or his co driver) had not hit the Sentinel warning in advance but just blasted straight passed him.

I am trying to rack my brains who it was, but if I remember Robbie rode over someone's bike in the same year in Fiambala (incidentally the same area Joey had his bike flattened last year). Needless to say the poor guy's Dakar ended right there. He was fine, managing to roll clear.

I also heard some personal anecdotes from an American rider when I was riding with him in Nevada (his name escapes me, I think it was Dirk ..whatshisname again..) who also DNF in 2009 about Robbie running into guys on bikes.

Not very good with names today, must be alhzheimer's light.  :laughing7:

If you insist, I will look up the specific references. :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 07:22:52 pm
No, it's fine. Not sure where I picked up the story about Robbie being considerate to bikers then, probably just my imagination.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 15, 2018, 07:49:52 pm
Thread cleaned of R&P stuff. Keep it on Dakar.

For the slow ones amongst us (ie Me): what’s R&P?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 07:55:16 pm
Thread cleaned of R&P stuff. Keep it on Dakar.

For the slow ones amongst us (ie Me): what’s R&P?

Religion&Politics - the most popular section on this 'adventure riding' website.

You can find that fountain of beauty, brotherhood and truth in Jou ma section. And if it is not to your liking, you can block it somewhere in your settings, so you will never see it again...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 15, 2018, 07:57:49 pm
I hope they rule against these two assholes.

I’m with BB on this. If you hit a bike and don’t stop to help, that should be an exclusion. Joey was very forgiving last year, but that oke should have been excluded.
Cars hitting bikes will happen, as with the video if Gabriela, but not stopping to help is not cool.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2018, 08:20:21 pm
XPAT, yes - Another French Aussie friend of mine Christoph Barrier Varju's account in I think it was 2009 or 2010 was that Robbie rode straight over his tent in the middle of the bivouac with his hummer. Luckily for Christoph, he had just gotten out of it!

Actually quite funny now that I think about it but at the time he was furious, it was a serious incident. He was especially angry about it because he had been narrowly missed on the course by Robbie the year before, and was adamant that he (or his co driver) had not hit the Sentinel warning in advance but just blasted straight passed him.

I am trying to rack my brains who it was, but if I remember Robbie rode over someone's bike in the same year in Fiambala (incidentally the same area Joey had his bike flattened last year). Needless to say the poor guy's Dakar ended right there. He was fine, managing to roll clear.

I also heard some personal anecdotes from an American rider when I was riding with him in Nevada (his name escapes me, I think it was Dirk ..whatshisname again..) who also DNF in 2009 about Robbie running into guys on bikes.

Not very good with names today, must be alhzheimer's light.  :laughing7:

If you insist, I will look up the specific references. :P
We all know RB is a showboat but seriously I doubt he would drive over a tent on purpose with a good chance of killing someone in the process  ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 15, 2018, 08:35:57 pm
I’m with BB on this. If you hit a bike and don’t stop to help, that should be an exclusion. Joey was very forgiving last year, but that oke should have been excluded.
Cars hitting bikes will happen, as with the video if Gabriela, but not stopping to help is not cool.

Ja, that guy with Gabriela was nice. You can see he knew there was something on the other side of the dune and slowed down, even to the point of struggling a bit up. And then when he tipped over the crest the car slid forward straight towards the bike. Unavoidable since it was a hit the rider or end their dakar kind of choice and narrowly avoided both.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2018, 08:50:34 pm
Yeah PH likes to wipeout riders.  :dousing:

This will be the third time at least he has hit someone in just four years. The first time was when he could not wait for a pilot to cross a river so he pushed him in and said "sorri" afterwards.
Then there was last time he injured that guy as described above. But check out Heroes video from SS12 last year on youtube with Joey Evans doing the filming. Hi co-pilot was the one who looked after the guy.

The only reason he did that because he was scared of this very thing - disqualification. He has absolutely zero interest in anyone else except himself.

He is a prick and does not care, and Sainz has also hurt guys in the past. Robbie Gordon is also a culprit. Funny how it is always the same guys - All with ego's the size of planet earth. Pisses me off big time.

I hope they rule against these two assholes.

Stephane Peterhansel is a racer, and the best the Dakar has had, ever.

A mix of motorcycles, cars and quads is at best an invitation to disaster.

The ego's you find in tennis, boxing, athletics, F1, ocean racing, nascar, etc, it is what it is.

Giniel is a gentlemen, and far behind.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 15, 2018, 09:09:11 pm
Giniel is a gentlemen, and far behind.

True, me and a buddy chatted with him at the WRX in Cape Town. He speaks like a plain good ole chap. Not a hint of a condescending tone of voice and pretty humble regarding the whole racing story. And actually responds in depth to simple questions from plebs like us!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2018, 11:16:56 pm
Here are all the summary videos from the current Dakar: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYXrqIvHmk3MQFXl_rBnsxQ (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYXrqIvHmk3MQFXl_rBnsxQ)

Be quick, the copyright nazis are going to get them pulled - right now I think they are busy with long liaison.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 15, 2018, 11:36:06 pm
Drama.
10 minute penalty for Sianz, on the basis that he didn't actually hit the quad rider.
The quad rider is adamant that he DID get hit, and "thinks the 10 minute penalty is a joke and he will fight for his cause"

"Things went really very well until km 184. I heard the sentinel, looked, saw a Peugeot and was launched into the air at the same time. The Peugeot hit me full speed, so the side of the quad has damage but fortunately I am fine. But I really flew in the air, and he didn't stop or anything, just continued full speed."
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 15, 2018, 11:58:25 pm
XPAT, yes - Another French Aussie friend of mine Christoph Barrier Varju's account in I think it was 2009 or 2010 was that Robbie rode straight over his tent in the middle of the bivouac with his hummer. Luckily for Christoph, he had just gotten out of it!

We all know RB is a showboat but seriously I doubt he would drive over a tent on purpose with a good chance of killing someone in the process  ???

Of course not.  But that is absolutely no excuse. You can't say "Oh I'm sorry I didn't realize..." after you have squashed someone without taking due caution. Does it pass the reasonable man test to shortcut HP through the bivouac? No it does not. 

He is a nice enough person, but doesn't always think things through.  :biggrin:

For old times sake:


Overshooting in 2009


Getting stuck in 2012. Happened every year.  :imaposer:








Must say, that video of him going down that 1km high dune at Iquique and separately trashing Peterhansel's Mini will remain among the most memorable clips I have ever seen of the Dakar.

Got to say despite his faults he is a helluva bloke to watch.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 12:02:19 am
Giniel is a gentlemen, and far behind.

True, me and a buddy chatted with him at the WRX in Cape Town. He speaks like a plain good ole chap. Not a hint of a condescending tone of voice and pretty humble regarding the whole racing story. And actually responds in depth to simple questions from plebs like us!

+100 :thumleft:

He vloeks like a trooper though and when he is in race mode is quite a tiger.  No gentleman at all when he is behind the wheel.

However a great bloke on tv, or just to have a beer with and shoot the breeze. A real gent. I my wife & I were lucky enough to have a couple of beers with in the 2012 Dakar after party and can attest to this.

Darryl on the other hand :imaposer: He raced that year and finished. :notworthy: But in the after party he had a lot of beers and tackled a concrete pillar with his head!
 :imaposer:  :laughing4:

Actually he is super bloke as well - So helpful and positive all the time. Wicked sense of humor. Who remembers his chirp when interviewing Dave Reeve after his broke his other leg in Dakar 2013?   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 12:06:30 am
Well here is a hearwarming story on cars bumping bikes. In 2012 Dakar, car driver Orlando Terranova didn't give a shit about biker  safety to such an extend, that his navigator Andy Grinder told him to fuck off basically and quite half way through. And Terranova was out...  :thumleft:

https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-andy-grider-in-dakar.100513/]https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-andy-grider-in-dakar.100513/]https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-andy-grider-in-dakar.100513/ (https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/what-happened-to-andy-grider-in-dakar.100513/)

And here is picture showing that even cars are at risk:

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/8d686a506282bde78b849c61cdff3c75d0e1b8e7/0_0_4840_2998/master/4840.jpg?w=880&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=5ca01cdc1f52bf13e4575939fecf00a8)

Looks like the same idiotic truck almost took out a biker:

(https://i.imgur.com/8faKCoO.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 12:14:25 am
Yip, trucks are possibly the most terrifying thing in the world for any rider. You know they are wider and can't turn as easily, yet they are just as fast as the cars sometimes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ama ride ride on January 16, 2018, 12:19:31 am
Yip, trucks are possibly the most terrifying thing in the world for any rider. You know they are wider and can't turn as easily, yet they are just as fast as the cars sometimes.

I just love watching them
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 16, 2018, 07:29:26 am
The nature of desert riding [ as I cannot comment on desert racing ] is flow and momentum.

Thus it is quite dangerous too, as a dune has to be tackled with sustained speed until you are over the crest.

This opens up lots of chance for a bike and rider to be lying just on the other side of this dune, and to be hit.

It is going to happen.

Just check the incidents between cars and bikes in the old Toyota 1000 race, when classes were still mixed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 08:08:09 am
The nature of desert riding [ as I cannot comment on desert racing ] is flow and momentum.
Thus it is quite dangerous too, as a dune has to be tackled with sustained speed until you are over the crest.
This opens up lots of chance for a bike and rider to be lying just on the other side of this dune, and to be hit.
It is going to happen.
Just check the incidents between cars and bikes in the old Toyota 1000 race, when classes were still mixed.

Agreed. Cars will hit bikes. It’s inevitable, and it is an accepted implication of mixing the two on the same course.
Not stopping after hitting a fellow competitor, however, should be absolutely unacceptable.
10 minutes penalty, if he actually hit the quad, is not enough. His race should be over. The next driver to hit a bike would hopefully then be too shit scared not to stop.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 08:18:46 am










Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 16, 2018, 09:16:44 am

Just check the incidents between cars and bikes in the old Toyota 1000 race, when classes were still mixed.

Yes - the worst was when you catch and pass some cars on a 125 (with the worlds smallest sprockets trying to get some topend out of it). Then you hit one of those 4 km straights in thick sand and have some Porsche engined pipe car up your backside and you can't climb out the sand ruts
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 16, 2018, 09:17:19 am
a nice fifth for Donny in malle moto stage7,awesome stuff
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 16, 2018, 09:32:41 am
I see the Pope has arrived over there, off to do some spectating, but I doubt if the "Popemobile" is ideal?  :peepwall: 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:09:43 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 16, 2018, 10:43:30 am
I really enjoy Lyndon's videos because you get a proper feel for what its like on the rally and he always has a smile on his face and sees the positive side of everything. You can tell he's loving every minute of this.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Jaaks on January 16, 2018, 12:36:04 pm
I am eventually caught up.
Thanks to everyone for the great amount of info here!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 16, 2018, 12:36:41 pm

[/quote]

Agreed. Cars will hit bikes. It’s inevitable, and it is an accepted implication of mixing the two on the same course.
Not stopping after hitting a fellow competitor, however, should be absolutely unacceptable.
10 minutes penalty, if he actually hit the quad, is not enough. His race should be over. The next driver to hit a bike would hopefully then be too shit scared not to stop.
[/quote]

Official note decision on the indecent.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dunnes on January 16, 2018, 12:41:14 pm
So what was Saintz's penalty?

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 16, 2018, 12:41:42 pm
Take my hat off to Lyndon........and all the MM guys.

How's his episode 13 video, finish your ? 700km day at 5pm, next stage cancelled, so no MM truck. This has gone to Salta 500km away.
Unbelievable, but as he says, this is Dakar, always a smile on his face and after arriving "later that night"........enjoyed that whisky man
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 16, 2018, 12:46:04 pm
Last night after the half hour program on tv they added some footage snippets of the last 40 years.
One I remembered the most was this guy on a bike standing and taking a slight left turn.Next moment bike and rider just vanishes, landed in mudhole in a hardpack dirt road. He could not get the bike out of the mud!! :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Ragbert on January 16, 2018, 12:46:27 pm
So what was Saintz's penalty?

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10 minutes!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 12:55:24 pm
Since no stage today and we are all just human

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 01:01:56 pm
Since no stage today and we are all just human



What you mean no stage today? Has stage 10 been cancelled as well?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 01:16:32 pm
Don't think so. Stage start delayed somewhat. No starting list live yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 01:18:38 pm
Since no stage today and we are all just human



What you mean no stage today? Has stage 10 been cancelled as well?
What was the story with heavy rain and just a drive to the next point ? Maybe it was yesterday in case I'm behind the times  :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 01:20:52 pm
Since no stage today and we are all just human



What you mean no stage today? Has stage 10 been cancelled as well?
What was the story with heavy rain and just a drive to the next point ? Maybe it was yesterday in case I'm behind the times  :P

Yes that was yesterday and I think some people like Lyndon overnight ridden to the next bivouac which was like 1500 km for a day or something. Today should be on from what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 01:22:06 pm
What was the story with heavy rain and just a drive to the next point ? Maybe it was yesterday in case I'm behind the times  :P

You are indeed!  ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 01:25:42 pm
What was the story with heavy rain and just a drive to the next point ? Maybe it was yesterday in case I'm behind the times  :P

You are indeed!  ;) :thumleft:
:lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 01:28:22 pm
Not sure if this was posted. Following Donovan through liaison:


http://dai.ly/x6d62wa (http://dai.ly/x6d62wa)

Not sure how to post Dailymotion video here, hence just link
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 01:28:44 pm
And we are live. Tracker is on and a countdown of 1hr 15min for start of bikes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 01:36:48 pm
So what was Saintz's penalty?

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10 minutes!

That whole episode is kind of weird. The guy on the quad is one of the co-owners of Toyota team (he is dude who made a lot of money on booking.com start-up). It is just strange to me that if Sainz really hit him to the point where he went flying off the quad as he says, that there is not much more damage to the quad.

But hey maybe it is just coincidence - I'm not into conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 01:42:35 pm
Track for the day with Liaison > 424 km - Special > 373 km:

(https://i.imgur.com/kLm449O.png)

Route profile:

(https://i.imgur.com/6tb1IWF.png)

For those that don't look at the Dakar website.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 02:12:36 pm
Track for the day with Liaison > 424 km - Special > 373 km:

(https://i.imgur.com/kLm449O.png)


That is not even close to the route that they are going to take!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 02:21:42 pm
That is not even close to the route that they are going to take!

 :lol8: Buggers don't update their website at all then! Where did you see the actual route, TV?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 02:39:12 pm
That is not even close to the route that they are going to take!

 :lol8: Buggers don't update their website at all then! Where did you see the actual route, TV?

No, the profile has been consistently more accurate. Then the preview YouTube video has been a lot more accurate than the official one. Lastly the official spectating points show the direction of travel and they would have to be reversed for some for that to work.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 02:40:27 pm
5 minutes to go  :sip:

I think today's stage will set up the top 3 - JBB will have to hammer it if he wants to be on the podium.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 02:53:21 pm
Here's my best guess, check it against the official profile

(https://v2-medias.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-png/dak18-profil-etape10/4258/0:0,1500:786-960-0-70/7f1ce)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-jjG8GfV/1/cdb959c9/L/stage%2010%20guess-L.jpg)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 16, 2018, 03:01:42 pm
5 minutes to go  :sip:

I think today's stage will set up the top 3 - JBB will have to hammer it if he wants to be on the podium.

8 min separating top 5 is not a lot at all. Bar any mishaps from the front runners, it certainly makes for a tight final few days.

Go JBB..!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 03:11:17 pm
5 minutes to go  :sip:

I think today's stage will set up the top 3 - JBB will have to hammer it if he wants to be on the podium.

8 min separating top 5 is not a lot at all. Bar any mishaps from the front runners, it certainly makes for a tight final few days.

Go JBB..!!
Agree. AVB can just wait for Bort and then sit on his tail. Kevin will have to maintain some pace though.

PS: How's Singapore. Busy yet?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 03:27:27 pm
Here's my best guess, check it against the official profile

Good stuff, thanks! Where do you find the spectator spots. Can't find it on the Dakar.com site. And "the link" the talk about is not there... Unless I am simply looking past it
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 16, 2018, 03:30:50 pm
Any idea of weather conditions on stage?

I see Glyn Hall reckons this might be the toughest stage of the race. They start with 460L of fuel in each Hilux...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 03:32:49 pm
Any idea of weather conditions on stage?

I see Glyn Hall reckons this might be the toughest stage of the race. They start with 460L of fuel in each Hilux...

Don't know the weather, but there is going to be a lot of high altitude dune racing, hence the cars will gulp fuel!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 16, 2018, 03:33:45 pm
Any idea of weather conditions on stage?

I see Glyn Hall reckons this might be the toughest stage of the race. They start with 460L of fuel in each Hilux...

Don't know the weather, but there is going to be a lot of high altitude dune racing, hence the cars will gulp fuel!

Plus something like 53km in a riverbed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 03:35:55 pm
Any idea of weather conditions on stage?

I see Glyn Hall reckons this might be the toughest stage of the race. They start with 460L of fuel in each Hilux...

Don't know the weather, but there is going to be a lot of high altitude dune racing, hence the cars will gulp fuel!

Plus something like 53km in a riverbed.

Yup, you can see them running in it in that map that Kamanya made.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 03:37:08 pm
Here's my best guess, check it against the official profile

Good stuff, thanks! Where do you find the spectator spots. Can't find it on the Dakar.com site. And "the link" the talk about is not there... Unless I am simply looking past it

Here you go...

http://somosdakar.com/zonas-espectadores-la-etapa-10-del-dakar-2018-salta-belen/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 03:38:11 pm
Here's the Google earth file. It's a bit rough but it take a shit ton of time to try figuring it out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 03:38:54 pm
If I'm right, they are going to be in riverbeds ALOT!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Just In Time on January 16, 2018, 03:53:56 pm
AVB putting the hammer down...  Still rooting for JBB though.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 04:01:35 pm
Here's the Google earth file. It's a bit rough but it take a shit ton of time to try figuring it out.

I'm sitting here and wondering with all your knowledge of tracks etc in Southern Africa plus all this hard graft putting the Dakar stage routes together (I have done it myself so know how hard it is) I have to read something into it: Does this mean you might be taking the Alexander Nel spirit forward and be putting together some stages for a rally in Southern Africa? :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 04:04:11 pm
That 10 minute penalty for Sainz is disgusting. If he is guilty then give him one he will feel, like an hour. They have no problem doing this for Honda or anyone else, but what it really says is that they feel the quad bikers pain but don't really think it was such an issue.

is the pain of the penalty going to change any behavior? Of course not!!  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 04:06:00 pm
KevinB already physically overtook TP on WP1 just after half and hour of racing. Something is not right with TP...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 04:11:47 pm
AVB putting the hammer down...  Still rooting for JBB though.
Come on Yamaha !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 04:21:32 pm
WP3 - Meo losing big time, TP keeping apace with KB after his initial loss.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 04:43:49 pm
AVB putting the hammer down...  Still rooting for JBB though.
Come on Yamaha !

AVB is actually loosing big time as far as I can see. Which is weird - this is his day to pounce, starting from back position and following the tracks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 05:02:06 pm
AVB putting the hammer down...  Still rooting for JBB though.
Come on Yamaha !

AVB is actually loosing big time as far as I can see. Which is weird - this is his day to pounce, starting from back position and following the tracks.

Waiting for JBB to catch up with him maybe? I think the gap was about 30 seconds at WP2.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 05:10:07 pm
Why would he be doing that? This is his stage to push as he is starting in advantageous position from behind and can catch up a lot of time following guys ahead of him. As we speak, Benavides is leaving him far in the dust in the overall rankings.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: whitedelight on January 16, 2018, 05:18:59 pm
Willem at WP1. He and Donny started same time,no sign of Donny yet
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: whitedelight on January 16, 2018, 05:30:42 pm
Brabec had a mishap on the way to WP1, seems to be maintaining now
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 16, 2018, 06:08:21 pm
Is Bang Bang's knee catching up with him  :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 06:18:50 pm
Is Bang Bang's knee catching up with him  :patch:

While not being his usual kamikadze, he is doing quite alright. The only person who is outrunning him now is KB who is very familiar with the area and TP who just tags along with KB. The rest of them are behind JBB. You have to also understand that the riders don't know their relative positions unless they catch up on the track or in the refuel. Which I think is just coming up so JBB will find out only now how he is doing compared to the two leaders. THat may change his pace/game straight away.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 16, 2018, 06:23:02 pm
Eish Prinses is not having the same race as what she had on the 8th  :o :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 06:36:37 pm
JBB falling significantly behind in ASS1. Not good.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 16, 2018, 06:53:48 pm
At this trend Toby has:
On AVB he will have taken back his 7:30 and now leads AVB by 3 mins
On Benevides he would have crawled back to now only 4 mins behind Thus gaining around 3 mins
On Walkner he will now lead around 3:30
On Barreda he is now leading 2 mins
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 16, 2018, 07:04:38 pm
At this trend Toby has:
On AVB he will have taken back his 7:30 and now leads AVB by 3 mins
On Benevides he would have crawled back to now only 4 mins behind Thus gaining around 3 mins
On Walkner he will now lead around 3:30
On Barreda he is now leading 2 mins
TB to win his 2nd Dakar and KTM to 17 unbeaten
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 07:18:53 pm
At this trend Toby has:
On AVB he will have taken back his 7:30 and now leads AVB by 3 mins
On Benevides he would have crawled back to now only 4 mins behind Thus gaining around 3 mins
On Walkner he will now lead around 3:30
On Barreda he is now leading 2 mins

I don't think so. Use the following link, it does the math for you. I also get deurmekaar when doing it myself:

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-10/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 07:26:07 pm
At this trend Toby has:
On AVB he will have taken back his 7:30 and now leads AVB by 3 mins
On Benevides he would have crawled back to now only 4 mins behind Thus gaining around 3 mins
On Walkner he will now lead around 3:30
On Barreda he is now leading 2 mins

What?

Toby actually lost 3 minutes on KB in the stage and is now up to 10 minutes behind in the overal.
He has closed the gap on 2nd overal AVB from about 7 minutes to about 4. AVB is still second overal and I suspect after neutralization where he found out what the actualy positions were will put hammer down and close some of that gap.
Walkner is just losing.

So, while TP has real chance for podium, I would not bet a lot of money on him for win, neither on Walkner. Their only chance is mishap for AVB and KB.

Just watch this: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-10/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-10/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 16, 2018, 08:03:29 pm
Man its getting good now
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:03:55 pm
And drama. The leading trio KB, TP and Meo just started second part of the special and are already lost about 3 km from the correct route. AVB and Walkner may benefit big time, and it may revitalize JBB.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:05:42 pm
And also Benvenides'es younger brother who races further down the field on KTM doing his first Dakar had bad fall and is out with back injury. Wonder if anybody told Kevin in the neutralization - could screw up with his pace.

Edit: Also Laia stopped to assist younger Benvenides, so will probably get some time back.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 16, 2018, 08:08:24 pm
At this trend Toby has:
On AVB he will have taken back his 7:30 and now leads AVB by 3 mins
On Benevides he would have crawled back to now only 4 mins behind Thus gaining around 3 mins
On Walkner he will now lead around 3:30
On Barreda he is now leading 2 mins

What?

Toby actually lost 3 minutes on KB in the stage and is now up to 10 minutes behind in the overal.
He has closed the gap on 2nd overal AVB from about 7 minutes to about 4. AVB is still second overal and I suspect after neutralization where he found out what the actualy positions were will put hammer down and close some of that gap.
Walkner is just losing.

So, while TP has real chance for podium, I would not bet a lot of money on him for win, neither on Walkner. Their only chance is mishap for AVB and KB.

Just watch this: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-10/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-10/bikes/waypoints/by-overall/)
Eish ja sorry man i see now where i made my mistake. . .
Ok thats it then i will have to leave our adventure group as the Honda and Yamaha oks in our little group are gonna have a good time wif me  >:(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2018, 08:12:13 pm
Eish ja sorry man i see now where i made my mistake. . .
Ok thats it then i will have to leave our adventure group as the Honda and Yamaha oks in our little group are gonna have a good time wif me  >:(

 :lol8:

It is Dakar! Drama around every corner! Anything can happen.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: exkdx on January 16, 2018, 08:16:48 pm
Fresh news from Dakar.com


14:57 Meo, Price and Benavides are lost

Antoine Meo, Toby Price and Kevin Benavides are completely lost. The three men are now 10 km from the correct route for the special, meaning there could be significant changes in the general standings!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:28:29 pm
Aaand more drama:

15:20 Svitko, Barreda, Brabec s’égarent aussi
Le Dakar 2018 est peut-être en train de se jouer au sud de Belén. Alors que Antoine Meo, Toby Price et Kevin Benavides sont toujours à la recherche du bon tracé de la spéciale, Stefan Svitko, Joan Barreda et Ricky Brabec ont emprunté leurs traces et s’apprêtent à les rejoindre. Matthias Walkner et Adrien Van Beveren ne se sont quant à eux pas trompés et vont donc être ce soir les grands bénéficiaires.

15:20 Svitko, Barreda, Brabec go astray The 2018 Dakar is perhaps being played south of Belén. While Antoine Meo, Toby Price and Kevin Benavides are still on the hunt for the right track of the stage, Stefan Svitko, Joan Barreda and Ricky Brabec have borrowed their tracks and are preparing to join them. Matthias Walkner and Adrien Van Beveren, meanwhile, are not mistaken and will be the big beneficiaries tonight.​

Looks like AVB is on his way to victory, and Walkner of all people may be the top KTM. Who would have thought..

But I'm getting way ahead of myself...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 08:34:57 pm
Aaand more drama:

15:20 Svitko, Barreda, Brabec s’égarent aussi
Le Dakar 2018 est peut-être en train de se jouer au sud de Belén. Alors que Antoine Meo, Toby Price et Kevin Benavides sont toujours à la recherche du bon tracé de la spéciale, Stefan Svitko, Joan Barreda et Ricky Brabec ont emprunté leurs traces et s’apprêtent à les rejoindre. Matthias Walkner et Adrien Van Beveren ne se sont quant à eux pas trompés et vont donc être ce soir les grands bénéficiaires.

15:20 Svitko, Barreda, Brabec go astray The 2018 Dakar is perhaps being played south of Belén. While Antoine Meo, Toby Price and Kevin Benavides are still on the hunt for the right track of the stage, Stefan Svitko, Joan Barreda and Ricky Brabec have borrowed their tracks and are preparing to join them. Matthias Walkner and Adrien Van Beveren, meanwhile, are not mistaken and will be the big beneficiaries tonight.​

Looks like AVB is on his way to victory, and Walkner of all people may be the top KTM. Who would have thought..

But I'm getting way ahead of myself...
YAMAHA  :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:37:38 pm
This is how girls ride in Dakar. I wish I was a girl - my current self would just stay there and cry:

(https://i.imgur.com/is0XDKr.gif)

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:41:29 pm
But hey, boys can fall too! Like this Slovak one:

(https://i.imgur.com/Ac1Ogm6.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 08:46:35 pm
David, Donovn, Wilem all thru WP4
Gerry thru WP3

I am mighty impressed with Gerry. He has been plugging away, with one finger lifted in the general direction of the snowball, and still looks great.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:53:28 pm
15:45
All the lost riders have now turned back in towards the start of the special! They have lost a huge amount of time. Adrien Van Beveren and Matthias Walkner are likely to be the only riders in the reckoning for victory in the general standings this evening.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 16, 2018, 08:58:36 pm
Fok
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 08:58:47 pm
WP7 live- AVB through. Now for the rest of them to see what is the damage...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:03:58 pm
Either the tracker is off or AVB actually overtook Walkner between DSS2 and WP7 - Walkner started ahead of him physically.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2018, 09:05:51 pm
I like AVB watched a Youtube video of him. Only 24 years old yet his first Dakar 6th, then 4th the next. He seems like a very nice guy and quite mature for his age in the way he rides. He grew up racing Yamaha and seems quite loyal to them although KTM must be waiting cheque books in hand.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 16, 2018, 09:17:31 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: exkdx on January 16, 2018, 09:18:37 pm
A lot can still happen...
BUT
How cool will it be if Yamaha can be the first team to beat the KTM's  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:24:44 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:

To be fair, orgas said before the stage that front runners will most probably be running in circles in the later part of the stage. So yes it was a trap, but everybody got fair warning...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 09:26:35 pm
Yo, exciting times.
Well done Mr Coma if he has made it more of a navigation challenge and less of a WRC style WOT race.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:27:23 pm
So far still no Walkner - I suspect that when he went sightseeing as well, he is not the brightest tool in the shed. Only AVB and now Farres Guell 13 minutes behind in WP7.

I think only mechanical or massive navigational failure (as seen today, not unthinkable - this is Coma Dakar, real deal) can rob AVB off victory. But yes, again I'm getting way ahead of myself.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:38:25 pm
TP through WP7, almost 50 minutes down on AVB.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 09:39:02 pm
So far still no Walkner - I suspect that when he went sightseeing as well, he is not the brightest tool in the shed. Only AVB and now Farres Guell 13 minutes behind in WP7.

I think only mechanical or massive navigational failure (as seen today, not unthinkable - this is Coma Dakar, real deal) can rob AVB off victory. But yes, again I'm getting way ahead of myself.

I'm with you on this one, AVB just have to keep the bike upright from here.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 09:39:36 pm
Fork that's a big change. I see protests coming.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 09:43:56 pm
Walkner in
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 09:44:14 pm
Snap

Walkner at ASS2, seems he did not get lost then?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:48:04 pm
Fork that's a big change. I see protests coming.

I'm sure there will be - I would expect HRC to be first in the queue.

But quite frankly - the whole advrider from the morning was talking that there is tricky navigation waiting upfront. And there were people who didn't just follow the herd, trusted their navigation and found the correct track. So the roadbook coudn't be wrong. Walkner got it right first (but it seems to me then he lost his confidence - or his tracker is off), AVB did it (yes he is French - whatever), and so did Pable Quintanilla, who arrived only 7 minutes after AVB at WP7. Toby Price is there now as well.

Where the heck is Walkner - is anybody's guess. Maybe he just has tracker issue, as I would expect by now some notice on dakar.com if he would have got badly lost. If Walkner is indeed there, it would be very tricky for KTm to protest.

Honda - that is a different story, they just lost Dakar as far as I can see. And it is proper bummer - I was rooting for Kevin Benavides as so far he was riding very smart Dakar, and to top it off, his brother got hurt today and has been evacuated to hospital. Talk about double whamy...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 09:48:57 pm
So did Walkner miss WP7, and is due a huge penalty? Or is his tracker wonky?
Interesting times....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 09:50:21 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bItyaTD.gif)
Is that the race leader down?
I am not sure, bit difficult to see...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:50:27 pm
Walkner in

There you go - so just tracker issue, and KTM has no legs to stand on to protest if one of their top guys (and not best navigator by any stretch of imagination) got it right. Kudos to him - I didn't like him since last year when he came across as whinger because of issue I don't remember now - but to have balls to go against all those guys ahead and trust his own navigation is no small achievement and he deserves shot at top spot for that. Which he has as he will be the only guy close to AVB in overall by the look of things.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 09:50:39 pm
Where are the rest now? :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 09:52:48 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bItyaTD.gif)
Is that the race leader down?
I am not sure, bit difficult to see...

Really hope its not AVB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 09:54:40 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/bItyaTD.gif)
Is that the race leader down?
I am not sure, bit difficult to see...

Shit, that seems to be AVB. This thing is just going mental!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 09:55:32 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YN2flut.gif)

16:38 Adrien Van Beveren falls!
Huge cup of theater on the Dakar! While Adrien Van Beveren was doing the best possible operation with the misplacement of all his rivals to the general except Matthias Walkner, the leader of the general fell heavily to 3 kilometers from the finish.​
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 09:56:57 pm
 :BangHead: :BangHead: :BangHead:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 09:57:46 pm
Shit, 3 k's from the finish. That's a fuckup
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:01:24 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/eY0KbgI.gif)
He's up, and some fellow riders are there to help.
I don't like big crashes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:01:41 pm
Is this AVB - hopefully he can make it!

(https://i.imgur.com/eY0KbgI.gif)

Edit: 205 - damn Steve, you are fast today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 16, 2018, 10:06:47 pm
This is serious shit!!  Not the way one wants it to play out..

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:06:54 pm
17:02 Van Beveren tries to leave, without success
Adrien Van Beveren fell 3 km from the finish at high speed. Completely groggy and certainly hurt, the Frenchman still tried to leave and realized a few hundred meters before stopping again. The pain is certainly too much for the Yamaha rider who may be heading for retirement.​
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 10:08:20 pm
FFS

17:02 Van Beveren tries to restart the race, without success
Adrien Van Beveren fell 3 km from the finishing line at a high speed. Completely groggy and very probably injured, the Frenchman has still tried to resume racing. He managed several hundred metres, but has again stopped. The pain is most likely to be too severe for the Yamaha rider who perhaps may be heading for an exit from the rally.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:12:01 pm


That's a big crash.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BossPierreLombard on January 16, 2018, 10:12:18 pm
Thanks so much for all this effort guys.

Super proud of Donovan! Such a humble oke, and to see him 5th MM class. Yes Yes Yes!!


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:15:31 pm
So it's KTM again - congratulations. Oh well, at least the rest did put up hell of a fight!   :thumleft:

Wait - still 4 stages to go...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Breekbeen on January 16, 2018, 10:15:48 pm


That's a big crash.

Hope he is ok.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 10:24:35 pm
Yo yo yo yo, that is a big off :eek:

Very reminiscent, almost identical to Walkner's crash of 2014. Seems his back wheel overtook into a rut and threw him off.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:24:59 pm
17:18 Van Beveren abandons
Adrien Van Beveren is finally evacuated by the medical helicopter. The leader of the general suffers from a fracture of the right clavicle in addition to thoracic trauma and dorsal spine. Too much to hope to finish the 3 km of the stage and continue his dream of a final victory on the Dakar ...

 :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 16, 2018, 10:25:34 pm
Benavides and Price at ASS2, 47 and 49 mins off Walkner. Game over...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 10:27:17 pm
Man this Dakar is exciting. So bloody frustrating not to have time to follow it minute by minute this year. :(

A big thank you to Xpat, Steve, Kamanya and others for keeping this thead going :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Donovan is a machine. Gooo boytie!!  8)

Willem is doing very well, taking it easy looking at the long game.  :ricky: :ricky:

Gerry is a superman! :notworthy: Come on boys!!!  :thumleft:  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:27:54 pm
JBB before Benavides and TP in the ASS, 9 minutes on Benavides, and 10 minutes on TP
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 10:29:06 pm
17:18 Van Beveren abandons
Adrien Van Beveren is finally evacuated by the medical helicopter. The leader of the general suffers from a fracture of the right clavicle in addition to thoracic trauma and dorsal spine. Too much to hope to finish the 3 km of the stage and continue his dream of a final victory on the Dakar ...

 :'(

That really sucks. :(

How is laia Sanz and the other Slovak?  He looked to have a huge off as well.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:29:34 pm
Provisional overal standings at this point:

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:30:45 pm
17:18 Van Beveren abandons
Adrien Van Beveren is finally evacuated by the medical helicopter. The leader of the general suffers from a fracture of the right clavicle in addition to thoracic trauma and dorsal spine. Too much to hope to finish the 3 km of the stage and continue his dream of a final victory on the Dakar ...

 :'(

That really sucks. :(

How is laia Sanz and the other Slovak?  He looked to have a huge off as well.

I think they are both at teh bike riding. I believe both their falls were before ASS1.

Edit; Slovak guy is Svitko of course.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:34:16 pm
So 1. Walkner, 2. JBB (who would have though after he started losing today) 39 minutes down and Benavides 41 minutes down.

Toby Price 5th 50 minutes down.

Let's see if Walkner has maturity to bring this home. We were already celebrating one winner today way too early, so let's not get ahead too much. JBB being 2nd now is also something considering all the drama in the prior and this stage he has been through. I'm glat Benavides is still well positioned for the podium - if anybody deserves it, it's him.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 16, 2018, 10:36:02 pm
Svitko is a boytjie. Love his riding style and consistency.

Gonna be a huge fight for 2nd & 3rd position now, and this Dakar is for Walkner to lose....
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:36:12 pm
Laia in the ASS. Where the F... is Svitko?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:39:44 pm
Good point raised on advrider:

Way too many riders have missing WP7 times. Can be tracker problem, but can also be that they all just missed it. So hold your horses until the penalties for today are announced...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 10:45:06 pm
This is the area where the shit hit the fan.

Riding in wide riverbeds with many channels and then having to ride to waypoints through the bush. And it's flat flat flat so no real reference points. Walkner on French TV says he very nearly turned around too looking for a waypoint to follow the others but pushed on and just meters later his waypoint opened.

My route I've depicted isn't accurate but gives an idea of what the world looks like there. They rode it anti-clockwise.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/18/01-Donny-Willem/i-dDQP3Mz/0/81b53c39/L/Lost-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:46:12 pm
All of our boys at ASS1 now.
Please don't follow tracks, my heart can't take much more.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 10:46:53 pm
Good point raised on advrider:

Way too many riders have missing WP7 times. Can be tracker problem, but can also be that they all just missed it. So hold your horses until the penalties for today are announced...

Penalties instantly show up on your irritrack as soon as you cross the line.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 10:54:52 pm
David first of our boys to start the second special
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2018, 10:55:26 pm
Good point raised on advrider:

Way too many riders have missing WP7 times. Can be tracker problem, but can also be that they all just missed it. So hold your horses until the penalties for today are announced...

Penalties instantly show up on your irritrack as soon as you cross the line.

OK, then it Walkner's Dakar to lose. Not that he is not capable of it, but I think KTM will couch him closely to calm down.

Watching today's stage, one kind of starts to understand rumours running on advrider, that Sam Sunderland - last years winner - wants to retire from Dakar very soon, as he considers it just too dangerous. I think this generation is not as resilient as the Coma/Despres and prior ones, and they are not very good at balancing high speed with good navigation. They can ride bloody fast, but not multitask as well as the aliens could.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2018, 11:31:22 pm
Good point raised on advrider:

Way too many riders have missing WP7 times. Can be tracker problem, but can also be that they all just missed it. So hold your horses until the penalties for today are announced...

Penalties instantly show up on your irritrack as soon as you cross the line.

OK, then it Walkner's Dakar to lose. Not that he is not capable of it, but I think KTM will couch him closely to calm down.

Watching today's stage, one kind of starts to understand rumours running on advrider, that Sam Sunderland - last years winner - wants to retire from Dakar very soon, as he considers it just too dangerous. I think this generation is not as resilient as the Coma/Despres and prior ones, and they are not very good at balancing high speed with good navigation. They can ride bloody fast, but not multitask as well as the aliens could.

I disagree.

There are 3 vectors to the puzzle;

Professional rally rider skills.
Quality/Abillity of the bikes
Difficulty of the routes

All three have been rising. Originally you only had to be hardarsed, on an XT500 that had a big tank and the routes were just long, relatively easy gravel roads or dunes that with a bit of luck and a Gauloises, it was possible to win it. Those routes from then are what many now consider fine dual sport territory.

These days, a whole year of training goes into just the amateurs and they have to have a rally CV just to be eligible. The pro's race multiple rally's and are professional full-time athletes. They work on all aspects.
The bikes are unbelievable. Your own 500 would have easily taken line honours just 15 years ago. The current crop of purpose built machines are nothing like their predecessors. Not only are they half their weight but faster and with epic handling. What they can hit now and travel across is far far beyond the factory stuff of yester-year. And, those machines are available to Joe public!
Lastly, the FIM has been urging all rally's to aim for an average speed of below 80kph. This means making them more technical and raising the difficulty level. I know for a fact that bikes from even 15 years ago wouldn't make the routes of today. My beast of a 950 would still be stuck in the deserts there. The routes are more enduro.

It's all up a level and to be competitive one is going to have to be unbelievably quick and talented.... and lucky.

Coma retired at the top. He says he had some years left in him but the allure of his present job and no doubt the toughness of the sport convinced him. Cyril is in a car now, just a few days ago when sitting next to Peterhansel they were both asked, "Cars or Bike". Without hesitation they both said bikes. Then laughed.

The laugh said it all. Bikes are flipping hard.

In their prime, I am sure they can match and maybe even beat the current crop, but they'd definitely not have it all their own way.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 16, 2018, 11:33:10 pm
Who saw that coming:

Stage 10 @dakar
Just been told by the @RallyTeamHRC team that they 'could' make a protest regarding the road book that saw their riders @kmbenavides and @joanbangbang88 get lost today. Team pictured here with todays road book discussing with the stewards.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTsUYLqX0AEmbp-.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: AJBotha on January 17, 2018, 12:15:46 am
Joh, what an interesting Moto day! I'm sorry that AvB is out, I think they certainly proved this year that the Yammies and their pilots are right up there with the big boys!
I hope Walkner takes it.. TP for second. Jbb third!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 12:28:58 am
Toby Price: "It's one of those days you want to forget"

The winner in 2016 was climbing back up the general standings for the battle to win overall, but lost all hope of triumph on the road to Bélen.

“It’s one of those days you want to forget. A bit tough, but that's the way it is. I've just got to try and see what the rest of the week will bring now. It was a bit of a hot one and I didn’t have much fluid, so I'm a bit drained and dehydrated. The notes all seemed to say 150 km and the rio we got into started at 150 km. We thought we'd got it right, but obviously not. I don't know... the road-book is a bit average at the moment but that’s the way it is. For us it’s pretty much done. We’ll just keep plugging away each day and see what happens. You never know, but it’s not looking too good… That’s the way it is”.

(https://motoring.pxcrush.net/motoring/general/editorial/mospo-dakar-2018-d.jpg?height=427&width=640&aspect=fitWithin)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 12:42:05 am
Mr Timing dude, please give us an update. It's been too long......
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 01:13:27 am
From ADV:

349,46 is the km were Benavides, Price and co took the wrong way( marked with black arrow) good one was left red line.
(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/dakar-jpg.1081412/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: LionBuell on January 17, 2018, 01:33:26 am
I am really enjoying this thread. Unfortunately I don't have the time to research everything like some. It also seems like there is some very analytical types on here. Thanks for the efforts Gentlemen.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 02:42:28 am
Big data dump
David, WIllem, Donovan all at ASS2 already
Gerry at ASS1, so he still has a way to go - and some difficult navigation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 17, 2018, 04:50:56 am
What is the chances of Honda's discussions having an impact? I am guessing as its 5 hours latef, that ship has sailed? TP seems to accept it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 05:06:53 am
From ADV:

349,46 is the km were Benavides, Price and co took the wrong way( marked with black arrow) good one was left red line.
(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/dakar-jpg.1081412/)

:laughing7: See the cap there is 182º. Which is basically due south. Not 150º, which is the average direction of the wrong branch to the left. The next cap is Cmoy 150º (average direction 150), which just over 700m further on, and roughly the same direction as the wrong route. So if you have taken the wrong turn you might be confused by an apparent turn or double guess perhaps you are on the correct route. The only problem is you would be going further and further off route.


Here is another way you could go wrong: Perhaps you veered too far left before hitting the WP. If you were too far east (i.e. following the blue line I drew in the pic below) you could still turn south and then be funneled into the wrong river branch. If you were a good navigator you would pick up that point 350.38 does not look right: First you there would be no obvious left turn. Secondly in the tulip diagram you can see the riverbed is opening out a lot and it seems that is not the case a similar distance up the wrong branch. So at this point if you were wise you would back track.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Dakar2018/i-5rQVskT/0/a7bf6343/XL/NAv%20Dramajpg-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 05:08:11 am
What is the chances of Honda's discussions having an impact? I am guessing as its 5 hours latef, that ship has sailed? TP seems to accept it.

Somewhere between -275º Calvin and absolute zero. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 05:11:17 am
What a stuff up
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 05:19:19 am
OK, then it Walkner's Dakar to lose. Not that he is not capable of it, but I think KTM will couch him closely to calm down.

Watching today's stage, one kind of starts to understand rumours running on advrider, that Sam Sunderland - last years winner - wants to retire from Dakar very soon, as he considers it just too dangerous. I think this generation is not as resilient as the Coma/Despres and prior ones, and they are not very good at balancing high speed with good navigation. They can ride bloody fast, but not multitask as well as the aliens could.

I disagree.

There are 3 vectors to the puzzle;

Professional rally rider skills.
Quality/Abillity of the bikes
Difficulty of the routes

All three have been rising. Originally you only had to be hardarsed, on an XT500 that had a big tank and the routes were just long, relatively easy gravel roads or dunes that with a bit of luck and a Gauloises, it was possible to win it. Those routes from then are what many now consider fine dual sport territory.

These days, a whole year of training goes into just the amateurs and they have to have a rally CV just to be eligible. The pro's race multiple rally's and are professional full-time athletes. They work on all aspects.
The bikes are unbelievable. Your own 500 would have easily taken line honours just 15 years ago. The current crop of purpose built machines are nothing like their predecessors. Not only are they half their weight but faster and with epic handling. What they can hit now and travel across is far far beyond the factory stuff of yester-year. And, those machines are available to Joe public!
Lastly, the FIM has been urging all rally's to aim for an average speed of below 80kph. This means making them more technical and raising the difficulty level. I know for a fact that bikes from even 15 years ago wouldn't make the routes of today. My beast of a 950 would still be stuck in the deserts there. The routes are more enduro.

It's all up a level and to be competitive one is going to have to be unbelievably quick and talented.... and lucky.

Coma retired at the top. He says he had some years left in him but the allure of his present job and no doubt the toughness of the sport convinced him. Cyril is in a car now, just a few days ago when sitting next to Peterhansel they were both asked, "Cars or Bike". Without hesitation they both said bikes. Then laughed.

The laugh said it all. Bikes are flipping hard.

In their prime, I am sure they can match and maybe even beat the current crop, but they'd definitely not have it all their own way.

You're right when you compare the African Dakar to the last 7-8 years in South America, but not more recently. Its the same desert tracks, riverbeds and fesh fesh. Same length stages. One or two stages have become a little bit more enduro-like (and when they do its really epic) but for the large part the stages can still be done with bigger bikes. Of course a car is always going to be a lot more comforable so that's not a good explanation either. People get older. Remember both Cyril and Marc have like 20-25 Dakar between them on bikes. They reached their peaks and passed them. Cyril got his 5 wins even though we all knew Coma was faster and he got lucky. :pot: Coma still had that to do and then he saw saw Kurt C, and Toby. Younger, fitter, faster and more fearless.

Remember as these guys came onto the scene Coma was coming off a couple of high speed crashes, and crashes slow anyone down. (look at TP, he is now slower than he was in years past)
In Casselli and TP the competition was potentially stronger than Despres, and I think he wanted to retire with the win, on a high not end coming 2nd or 3rd again. Remember also that he was very close to Kurt Casselli and when he died it affected Marc deeply. I think this was part of it.

A lot of its has to do with luck, but both Coma and Despres were the best navigators by far, they were aliens operating at their peak way ahead of the rest.

When Casselli came onto the scene he had this potential, and he was great at navigation. Unfortunately the Baja got him.. :'( ...so he never got the chance to really prove himself in the Dakar.
Toby Price was looking equally amazing and seems good on navigation but not good like Depres & Coma. He still has it in him I think but as I said he is coming out of injury. Maybe this femur break plus his neck issue plus the loss of close friends like Kurt are hitting him psychologically. Time will tell.

Sam has the potential, as does JBB but they are both far too inconsistent. JBB navigation has let him down too often as well.

So it will have to be someone else. I am thinking AVB and Kevin Benavides are perhaps more likely contenders for alien status, but they too will need to show it in the next 2-5 years before I am convinced. They will need to win consistently with 30 minutes to 1.5 hours ahead of everyone else like the two aliens did for years and years.

For now it seems we will have a period where the title can go to anyone, not because of the bikes, nor the routes, but because the skills that very few people have: To be able to ride as smoothly and navigate as well at Coma & Depres. Just go back and watch the videos of their riding. Without being too gay it is truly a beautiful sight to behold.  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 17, 2018, 06:37:08 am
such a pity about AVB's off,was hoping Yamaha could pull off the impossible this this year.hopefully he'll be back next year
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 06:38:11 am
Nooo such bad luck for AVB !
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 06:39:31 am
From the Whatsapp group:

Willem laat weet hy is klaar vir die dag. Hy het geval vandag en sy ribbes seergemaak. Dit het gebeur toe die motorfiets onder hom uitgly in ‘n rivierbedding en hy op ‘n klip land. Hy sê sy ribbes is nie gebreek nie, maar dis seer genoeg en het vandag vir hom baie tyd gekos. Maar, hy gaan môre weer verder ry en wil nog steeds probeer klaar maak. Die bike het niks oorgekom nie.

Donovan is ook klaar vir die dag. Sy motorfiets se navigation tower het ‘n hou gekry en kort nou aandag en ‘n nuwe part of twee, maar Donovan is ok. Hy laat weet dat dit hom nie gaan onderkry nie!

Hulle het weer môre die eerste been van nog ‘n marathon stage en sal dus weer nie kan Argentina-simkaarte soek nie. Maar hulle sal weer ‘n update stuur wat ek sal versprei.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 06:47:29 am






Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 07:16:58 am
Thanks for sharing guys
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 07:45:28 am
So is it correct that Walkner will.be the 1st Austrian to win if he wins
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 08:03:28 am
He has enough fast "water carriers" behind him, so a good chance for him and KTM 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 08:18:01 am
OK, then it Walkner's Dakar to lose. Not that he is not capable of it, but I think KTM will couch him closely to calm down.

Watching today's stage, one kind of starts to understand rumours running on advrider, that Sam Sunderland - last years winner - wants to retire from Dakar very soon, as he considers it just too dangerous. I think this generation is not as resilient as the Coma/Despres and prior ones, and they are not very good at balancing high speed with good navigation. They can ride bloody fast, but not multitask as well as the aliens could.

I disagree.

There are 3 vectors to the puzzle;

Professional rally rider skills.
Quality/Abillity of the bikes
Difficulty of the routes

All three have been rising. Originally you only had to be hardarsed, on an XT500 that had a big tank and the routes were just long, relatively easy gravel roads or dunes that with a bit of luck and a Gauloises, it was possible to win it. Those routes from then are what many now consider fine dual sport territory.

These days, a whole year of training goes into just the amateurs and they have to have a rally CV just to be eligible. The pro's race multiple rally's and are professional full-time athletes. They work on all aspects.
The bikes are unbelievable. Your own 500 would have easily taken line honours just 15 years ago. The current crop of purpose built machines are nothing like their predecessors. Not only are they half their weight but faster and with epic handling. What they can hit now and travel across is far far beyond the factory stuff of yester-year. And, those machines are available to Joe public!
Lastly, the FIM has been urging all rally's to aim for an average speed of below 80kph. This means making them more technical and raising the difficulty level. I know for a fact that bikes from even 15 years ago wouldn't make the routes of today. My beast of a 950 would still be stuck in the deserts there. The routes are more enduro.

It's all up a level and to be competitive one is going to have to be unbelievably quick and talented.... and lucky.

Coma retired at the top. He says he had some years left in him but the allure of his present job and no doubt the toughness of the sport convinced him. Cyril is in a car now, just a few days ago when sitting next to Peterhansel they were both asked, "Cars or Bike". Without hesitation they both said bikes. Then laughed.

The laugh said it all. Bikes are flipping hard.

In their prime, I am sure they can match and maybe even beat the current crop, but they'd definitely not have it all their own way.

You're right when you compare the African Dakar to the last 7-8 years in South America, but not more recently. Its the same desert tracks, riverbeds and fesh fesh. Same length stages. One or two stages have become a little bit more enduro-like (and when they do its really epic) but for the large part the stages can still be done with bigger bikes. Of course a car is always going to be a lot more comforable so that's not a good explanation either. People get older. Remember both Cyril and Marc have like 20-25 Dakar between them on bikes. They reached their peaks and passed them. Cyril got his 5 wins even though we all knew Coma was faster and he got lucky. :pot: Coma still had that to do and then he saw saw Kurt C, and Toby. Younger, fitter, faster and more fearless.

Remember as these guys came onto the scene Coma was coming off a couple of high speed crashes, and crashes slow anyone down. (look at TP, he is now slower than he was in years past)
In Casselli and TP the competition was potentially stronger than Despres, and I think he wanted to retire with the win, on a high not end coming 2nd or 3rd again. Remember also that he was very close to Kurt Casselli and when he died it affected Marc deeply. I think this was part of it.

A lot of its has to do with luck, but both Coma and Despres were the best navigators by far, they were aliens operating at their peak way ahead of the rest.

When Casselli came onto the scene he had this potential, and he was great at navigation. Unfortunately the Baja got him.. :'( ...so he never got the chance to really prove himself in the Dakar.
Toby Price was looking equally amazing and seems good on navigation but not good like Depres & Coma. He still has it in him I think but as I said he is coming out of injury. Maybe this femur break plus his neck issue plus the loss of close friends like Kurt are hitting him psychologically. Time will tell.

Sam has the potential, as does JBB but they are both far too inconsistent. JBB navigation has let him down too often as well.

So it will have to be someone else. I am thinking AVB and Kevin Benavides are perhaps more likely contenders for alien status, but they too will need to show it in the next 2-5 years before I am convinced. They will need to win consistently with 30 minutes to 1.5 hours ahead of everyone else like the two aliens did for years and years.

For now it seems we will have a period where the title can go to anyone, not because of the bikes, nor the routes, but because the skills that very few people have: To be able to ride as smoothly and navigate as well at Coma & Depres. Just go back and watch the videos of their riding. Without being too gay it is truly a beautiful sight to behold.  :drif:

BB, you missed my point. I was responding to Xpat's criticism of today riders' resilience and riding vs navigation.

I argued that conditions have changed.

I didn't disagree that Coma and Despres were the best of their time, I was arguing that the dynamics and conditions have changed to make rally far more difficult to win because not only has the equipment improved, but the level of rider in all aspects has had to improve too. Coupled with that the routes are more difficult and tricky.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rynet on January 17, 2018, 08:36:52 am
Agree Kamanya  :thumleft:

Just watched Lyndon's Live Feed of yesterday's stage on Facebook and he says its the toughest riding he has ever done. He was updating while having his dinner , what a boytjie !  :hello2:

There is no ways bigger bikes could still do the current Dakar and agree that even if the Aliens themselves rode it today there would be no certainties that they would sail through.
Even Despres struggled in his car this year . Yesterday's big falls like Laia , Svitko and the horrible fall by Van Bev just tells of the strain and stress , tough terrain , almost impossible navigation . But then we have an Alien who designed the course to start off with and it was designed to force the riders to slow down . But with modern pressures from manufacturers and sponsors the pressure must be very hard on the riders to ride fast as well as navigate well . Van Bev was trying to catch up on his lead , and he just pushed a tad too much ?

On the home front well done to our boys, hope Wilem's ribs hold up and Donny sorts our his damaged Nav Tower . Dave Thomas had a run-in with a car and his fuel pump burnt out and he took 15 hours to complete the day but still going strong . He said yesterday's stage was relentless.
So much respect to all riders who are still hanging in there , they must be very deep into their reserves.

Holding thumbs for Gerry , no news yet ?

Well ridden and navigated Matthias   :notworthy:
But still holding thumbs for Barreda to catch up. :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gser on January 17, 2018, 10:23:08 am
# 129 Gerry van der Byl is on the start line for today's Marathon Stage 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 10:32:40 am
# 129 Gerry van der Byl is on the start line for today's Marathon Stage
Awesome, thank you. I was rather worried. Apparently some riders were directed around the second special today, and I guess Gerry was one of them? Lekker vet penalties, but so what, as long as he can continue.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rooikoos on January 17, 2018, 10:53:36 am
Really good explanation on what's installed on the nav tower
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JFE on January 17, 2018, 11:45:31 am
Really good explanation on what's installed on the nav tower...........
Hou van al die safety devices, lyk of hulle die manne goed kontroleer en ondersteun.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 17, 2018, 12:34:31 pm
Man this Dakar is exciting. So bloody frustrating not to have time to follow it minute by minute this year. :(

A big thank you to Xpat, Steve, Kamanya and others for keeping this thead going :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Donovan is a machine. Gooo boytie!!  8)

Willem is doing very well, taking it easy looking at the long game.  :ricky: :ricky:

Gerry is a superman! :notworthy: Come on boys!!!  :thumleft:  :ricky:

Sorry a bit late in the day but what actually put Wessel Bosman out?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 12:36:16 pm
The snowball
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 17, 2018, 12:47:40 pm
The snowball

Gained momentum early  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 01:11:29 pm
Old Dakar just good dual sport tracks I think not, I'm sure the DNF rate back then was much higher than today where even the guy in last place is on a KTM rally replica. Money as with all things mostly killed the true Dakar spirit imho.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 17, 2018, 01:50:47 pm
Really good explanation on what's installed on the nav tower

Did not now that the sentinel also warns other riders of stationary bikes in front of them like on the other side of a dune.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 17, 2018, 02:44:46 pm
Did not now that the sentinel also warns other riders of stationary bikes in front of them like on the other side of a dune.

It does, otherwise trucks will go like this over the dune

(https://i.imgur.com/X5NNyHv.jpg?1)

Sorry, pops in my head every time somebody says "dune"...  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Esplin on January 17, 2018, 03:03:43 pm
Pity about Yamaha.

Imagine the talk if he had won. The excuses from KTM and Honda Not to mention Husky
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 03:55:13 pm
Did not now that the sentinel also warns other riders of stationary bikes in front of them like on the other side of a dune.

It does, otherwise trucks will go like this over the dune



picture

Sorry, pops in my head every time somebody says "dune"...  :lol8:

Very apt! :laughing7: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 17, 2018, 04:02:40 pm
Pity about Yamaha.

Imagine the talk if he had won. The excuses from KTM and Honda Not to mention Husky
Yeah and the new Tenere would have been released a week after their win,now we’ll have to wait another ten years


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 04:05:16 pm
In the world of modern tech how long before heads display (in goggles for example) will be available for navigating on the bike instead of having a moerse mechanical tower right in front of you ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 04:08:51 pm
Sidetrack, electronic stuff does not work well in the desert, and though this has already be proposed to the ASO, it will not be implemented AFAIK because it takes away of the ability of the pilots to navigate and the "spirit" of the Dakar they want to uphold.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 04:17:22 pm
Sidetrack, electronic stuff does not work well in the desert, and though this has already be proposed to the ASO, it will not be implemented AFAIK because it takes away of the ability of the pilots to navigate and the "spirit" of the Dakar they want to uphold.

I actually suspect it might also reduce visibility and focus on the road.

Imagine focusing your eyes on an in-helmet popup display, about and inch from your eys,  and then immediately have to focus far ahead of you again.  Adjusting your eyes to up close and far, could be dangerous when driving at speed.  Crossing eyes when viewing up close allows for no peripheral awareness.



Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 17, 2018, 04:18:42 pm
About 15 minutes ago:

"11:04 Barreda gets lost!
Drama at the Dakar! Joan Barreda, the second-placed rider in the general classification, strayed away from the course and is now trying to find his way back. The Spaniard is bang in the middle of the town of Medanitos!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 04:18:58 pm
Ok hopefully my dates are not mixed up and this is today's stage and they are off allready, I see Noriyuki Haga I mean JBB has already gotten lost. Looks like another dissapointing year for the Japanese teams like clockwork doing their best to throw everything away right at the end  :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Panne on January 17, 2018, 04:21:55 pm
Ok hopefully my dates are not mixed up and this is today's stage and they are off allready, I see Noriyuki Haga I mean JBB has already gotten lost. Looks like another dissapointing year for the Japanese teams like clockwork doing their best to throw everything away right at the end  :(

You've got the right stage. Marathon stage again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 04:23:00 pm
About 15 minutes ago:

"11:04 Barreda gets lost!
Drama at the Dakar! Joan Barreda, the second-placed rider in the general classification, strayed away from the course and is now trying to find his way back. The Spaniard is bang in the middle of the town of Medanitos!"

So Coma wins again  :patch: ;) :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 04:26:25 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Austrian rider on an Austrian bike leading on a route plotted by a former KTM factory rider  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 17, 2018, 04:27:09 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Wolzak on January 17, 2018, 04:27:24 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Austrian rider on an Austrian bike leading on a route plotted by a former KTM factory rider  :peepwall:
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: ktmmer on January 17, 2018, 04:27:30 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Austrian rider on an Austrian bike leading on a route plotted by a former KTM factory rider  :peepwall:

Do you think he dropped breadcrumbs
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Wolzak on January 17, 2018, 04:29:25 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.
Sterkte Xpat
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 04:30:39 pm
If I am not mistaken it seems like Toby Price is trying to catch up some lost time.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 04:31:40 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Austrian rider on an Austrian bike leading on a route plotted by a former KTM factory rider  :peepwall:

Do you think he dropped breadcrumbs
Follow the trail of Motorex oil, comprendes ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 17, 2018, 04:33:26 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Strongs. Don't get lost on your way to the doctor/pharmacy.  ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 04:34:21 pm
So there was clearly some tricks in the roadbook designed to catch people out and the only one benefitting is a french rider from a french factory team :peepwall:
Austrian rider on an Austrian bike leading on a route plotted by a former KTM factory rider  :peepwall:

Eish i would rather think he will do something for his 15 country men/women still in the race  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 04:36:10 pm
If I am not mistaken it seems like Toby Price is trying to catch up some lost time.

Yip definitely looks like TP is trying to now work off a couple of pies  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 04:40:29 pm
Toby Price fastest through Waypoints 1 to 5, shaving of more than 7 Minutes of Matthias Walkner.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 17, 2018, 04:44:55 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Try not to squeal like a pig when you pass them....  :biggrin: :snorting: :snorting:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 04:49:32 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Amsterdam on January 17, 2018, 04:49:43 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Xpat - good luck with that. At roughly the same time you threw in the towel your man Svitko was also confirmed as being out of the rally.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 04:49:47 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Bummer!

1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar
1-2 teaspoons honey in warm water x 7 times per day.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 04:51:15 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Plus your girl #90's out, collarbone.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 04:55:33 pm
Antoine Meo seems to have gained a couple of places and is following closely behind Toby Price.  Edit:  He started 9min after TB and have lost 1min off Price.  So essentially I was wrong saying the are riding together, they are riding 10min apart.  But that gap seems to have remained constant so far.

 He has consitently been only 1min off the pace at each waypoint he passed so far, so he is also gaining a bit of time.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: TT on January 17, 2018, 05:00:42 pm
JBB is out. Withdrawn from the race...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: zacapa on January 17, 2018, 05:01:02 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 05:05:17 pm
Toby Price has gained 9m30s on Walkner at WP6, with Meo following only 1m50s off the pace, further down the field.

JBB seems to have withdrawn. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 05:07:30 pm
I really hoped JBB can pull off a win for Honda this year.  It seems he has raced a more mature race this year, and his fall did not seem as if he was pushing recklesly hard and fast.  IMHO more a case of a bad fall twisting the knee.

I do feel disappointed that he gave up on the race despite sitting second.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 05:09:08 pm
If TB can keep up the pace on this stage, and with JBB out of contention, TB could be  moving up to third overall after todays' stage.

He has a long way to catch Walkner...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 05:12:25 pm
Donovan and Willem both through WP 3

Gerry is also moving
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 05:17:06 pm
If TB can keep up the pace on this stage, and with JBB out of contention, TB could be  moving up to third overall after todays' stage.

He has a long way to catch Walkner...

Who is TB ?  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 17, 2018, 05:22:07 pm
If TB can keep up the pace on this stage, and with JBB out of contention, TB could be  moving up to third overall after todays' stage.

He has a long way to catch Walkner...

Who is TB ?  :patch: :lol8:

Haha.  I've actually giggled at the same mistakes when other guys made it.  Now I fell in the same trap.

TP.  Toby Pie.

TB stands for Toby Boep.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 17, 2018, 05:26:19 pm
OK, then it Walkner's Dakar to lose. Not that he is not capable of it, but I think KTM will couch him closely to calm down.

Watching today's stage, one kind of starts to understand rumours running on advrider, that Sam Sunderland - last years winner - wants to retire from Dakar very soon, as he considers it just too dangerous. I think this generation is not as resilient as the Coma/Despres and prior ones, and they are not very good at balancing high speed with good navigation. They can ride bloody fast, but not multitask as well as the aliens could.

I disagree.

There are 3 vectors to the puzzle;

Professional rally rider skills.
Quality/Abillity of the bikes
Difficulty of the routes

All three have been rising. Originally you only had to be hardarsed, on an XT500 that had a big tank and the routes were just long, relatively easy gravel roads or dunes that with a bit of luck and a Gauloises, it was possible to win it. Those routes from then are what many now consider fine dual sport territory.

These days, a whole year of training goes into just the amateurs and they have to have a rally CV just to be eligible. The pro's race multiple rally's and are professional full-time athletes. They work on all aspects.
The bikes are unbelievable. Your own 500 would have easily taken line honours just 15 years ago. The current crop of purpose built machines are nothing like their predecessors. Not only are they half their weight but faster and with epic handling. What they can hit now and travel across is far far beyond the factory stuff of yester-year. And, those machines are available to Joe public!
Lastly, the FIM has been urging all rally's to aim for an average speed of below 80kph. This means making them more technical and raising the difficulty level. I know for a fact that bikes from even 15 years ago wouldn't make the routes of today. My beast of a 950 would still be stuck in the deserts there. The routes are more enduro.

It's all up a level and to be competitive one is going to have to be unbelievably quick and talented.... and lucky.

Coma retired at the top. He says he had some years left in him but the allure of his present job and no doubt the toughness of the sport convinced him. Cyril is in a car now, just a few days ago when sitting next to Peterhansel they were both asked, "Cars or Bike". Without hesitation they both said bikes. Then laughed.

The laugh said it all. Bikes are flipping hard.

In their prime, I am sure they can match and maybe even beat the current crop, but they'd definitely not have it all their own way.

You're right when you compare the African Dakar to the last 7-8 years in South America, but not more recently. Its the same desert tracks, riverbeds and fesh fesh. Same length stages. One or two stages have become a little bit more enduro-like (and when they do its really epic) but for the large part the stages can still be done with bigger bikes. Of course a car is always going to be a lot more comforable so that's not a good explanation either. People get older. Remember both Cyril and Marc have like 20-25 Dakar between them on bikes. They reached their peaks and passed them. Cyril got his 5 wins even though we all knew Coma was faster and he got lucky. :pot: Coma still had that to do and then he saw saw Kurt C, and Toby. Younger, fitter, faster and more fearless.

Remember as these guys came onto the scene Coma was coming off a couple of high speed crashes, and crashes slow anyone down. (look at TP, he is now slower than he was in years past)
In Casselli and TP the competition was potentially stronger than Despres, and I think he wanted to retire with the win, on a high not end coming 2nd or 3rd again. Remember also that he was very close to Kurt Casselli and when he died it affected Marc deeply. I think this was part of it.

A lot of its has to do with luck, but both Coma and Despres were the best navigators by far, they were aliens operating at their peak way ahead of the rest.

When Casselli came onto the scene he had this potential, and he was great at navigation. Unfortunately the Baja got him.. :'( ...so he never got the chance to really prove himself in the Dakar.
Toby Price was looking equally amazing and seems good on navigation but not good like Depres & Coma. He still has it in him I think but as I said he is coming out of injury. Maybe this femur break plus his neck issue plus the loss of close friends like Kurt are hitting him psychologically. Time will tell.

Sam has the potential, as does JBB but they are both far too inconsistent. JBB navigation has let him down too often as well.

So it will have to be someone else. I am thinking AVB and Kevin Benavides are perhaps more likely contenders for alien status, but they too will need to show it in the next 2-5 years before I am convinced. They will need to win consistently with 30 minutes to 1.5 hours ahead of everyone else like the two aliens did for years and years.

For now it seems we will have a period where the title can go to anyone, not because of the bikes, nor the routes, but because the skills that very few people have: To be able to ride as smoothly and navigate as well at Coma & Depres. Just go back and watch the videos of their riding. Without being too gay it is truly a beautiful sight to behold.  :drif:

I saw the 'stirring' part so will take it as a 'joke only' ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 17, 2018, 05:35:45 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

And the news are just getting worse from all sides - best of luck mate and pop in as soon as you can :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 06:25:26 pm
Kak one Xpat..

Need to drink more beer mate
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 06:29:29 pm
Toby 1st
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 17, 2018, 06:51:23 pm
 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: Very glad for old TobyPie. Now if only he and Farris can bypass Benevides and now sommer make it a complete KTM podium it will make up for all the stress they gave me  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 07:15:54 pm
:thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: Very glad for old TobyPie. Now if only he and Farris can bypass Benevides and now sommer make it a complete KTM podium it will make up for all the stress they gave me  ;) 8)

+1
 
How is that.... JBB cant win anymore so he stops racing. Is there anyone here who thinks he would still be riding if he was leading the stage or am I being too harsh?  Last year his finger hurt a bit. ::)


@ Hondsekierie: You KNOW Coma was the best ;)       Mr Mudgate was more lucky than Mr Tyregate. ;D

This stage will be the last tough stage I reckon. Tomorrow and Friday will be more straight forward.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: whitedelight on January 17, 2018, 07:21:29 pm
David and Donovan seem to be having a fairly decent day so far.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 17, 2018, 07:26:20 pm
Health first to come back and fight another day BB
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 17, 2018, 07:57:58 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Plus your girl #90's out, collarbone.

Dude, im trying to give birth to a rock, you didnt have to add to that!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 08:01:04 pm
How is that.... JBB cant win anymore so he stops racing. Is there anyone here who thinks he would still be riding if he was leading the stage or am I being too harsh?  Last year his finger hurt a bit. ::)

One has to wonder. Compare that with AVB, who tried to carry on after his big off.
He is quite badly injured:

Update on AVB from his sister:

Results of the last scanner:
2 broken ribs
1 collarbone
Pneumothorax (collapsed lung)
A lot of blood and air in the lungs due to the trauma.
One night in intensive care as a precaution and more news tomorrow morning about the date of the repatriation. I stay with him at the hospital. He is under morphine so inconsistent but does not suffer too much.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Amsterdam on January 17, 2018, 08:02:56 pm
Kak one Xpat..

Need to drink more beer mate

armpump - you clearly don't understand the first thing about kidney stones.  You can't kak them out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 08:12:35 pm
Bad race for the Roma family:

Chilecito (Argentina), Jan 17 .- The Spaniard Rosa Romero (KTM) left the Dakar today for a dangerous wound near the femoral vein with which she ran bleeding the last 140 kilometers of the tenth stage of the rally, between Salta and Belén ( Argentina).

The Catalan rider, who was in position 66 of the general classification of motorcycles, needed eight stitches to close the cut, produced when he fell off the motorcycle after colliding with a stone and cut with the metallic edge of the GPS.

"As I was moving forward I noticed the blood running down my leg, I came to think that I should ask for medical help, but I did not want to stop, I wanted to get to the end or until my body held. "Romero said in a statement from the Spanish team Himoinsa.

Before taking the start of the eleventh stage, between Belén and Chilecito, the doctors of the organization of the rally recommended him to abandon the race due to the risk that the wound could be aggravated during the competition.

The motorcyclist expressed her sadness and anger at having to abandon the race when there were just three stages to reach the final goal.

"It's a shame, it gives me a lot of anger because I was holding the pulse of this difficult and beautiful Dakar and I was sure that I would be able to get to Córdoba," he said.

Romero will return to Spain in the coming hours to recover from the injury and reunite with his partner, Joan 'Nani' Roma, who also had to leave this Dakar in the third stage after the Mini crash that led through the desert of Peru, which forced him to spend two days under observation in a clinic in Lima.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 08:23:51 pm
David at ASS already
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sheepman on January 17, 2018, 08:29:31 pm
Aussie boy pushing well  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Wolzak on January 17, 2018, 08:32:59 pm
Aussie boy pushing well  ;)
Ag Jirreki tog, I hope there are no Sheep on the Way, then he would have to Stop and lose Time......
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 08:47:03 pm
I am not convinced about this intentional mixing of bikes and cars

(https://i.imgur.com/yxw7Rlh.gif)

Walkner:
Hello from the bivouac The leadership has held 5th place in the stage. The time intervals are ok for me. It was not so bad today. I was a bit nervous because of course I did not want to go wrong and make mistakes. Later I was stuck in the dust behind a car on a dirt road But I did not want to risk too much and did not overtake at all costs. Overall, I am satisfied. I feel good, physically I feel better as well My body has become well used to the strain. Three days left! I just want to keep my focus and concentration as before.

Toby Price: "It's good to get a stage win"

The Aussie's victory in the stage to Fiambalá put himself back on the provisional podium, over 39 minutes behind teammate Matthias Walkner.

"Yesterday was... I've never felt so bad in my life. Today we just needed to try and see if we could claw back a little bit of time, and I think we've done that a little bit, but it's gonna be tough from back where we are. It's good to get a stage win. In the first week I was quite conservative, but now I attached some more, it's good to get a stage win because I hadn't done that this year so far. To be still in the race going towards the finish line is a pretty big achievement for me. My goal is just trying to stay on two wheels, not making a day like yesterday and seeing what that gives us at the finish line."

(https://v2-medias.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-jpg/dsc04937-modifie-1-dxo/9383/0:0,500:333-500-0-70/1bf8b)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 08:48:18 pm
Yo

(https://i.imgur.com/Lj0q2Tj.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sheepman on January 17, 2018, 09:04:18 pm
Aussie boy pushing well  ;)
Ag Jirreki tog, I hope there are no Sheep on the Way, then he would have to Stop and lose Time......

Brilliant sense of humour toppie
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 09:12:39 pm
10 minute penalty for Saiz has been removed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTwr4qfXcAA6vmr.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTwr4qgX4AEqW4b.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 09:14:36 pm
Donovan and Willem at WP9, just one to go.
Gerry plugging away at WP6

I'm disappointed that Gabriela is out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 09:20:07 pm
The Austrian leader rides smoother than even me  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/foBPH03.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 09:25:06 pm
Laia is having a tough time of it!  :eek:

People are exhausted hey.....This Dakar seriously has been one of the best I think in South America.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 09:27:28 pm
The quad rider was obviously listening to Enya....

Seems Carlos was in the right....

"In these data it is exposed that at minute 19:20 the car number 303, at a speed of approximately 160 km / h, sent two notices of sentinel that were received by quad number 254 at minute 19:21 and 19: 27, and the speed of the car number 303 at that time was reduced to about 52 km / h.From the minute 19:27 until the 19:45 (which is an interval of 18 seconds), the speed of the car number 303 is It maintains at 54 km / h, with an instant of acceleration reaching a speed of 92 km / h.In the minute 19:50 the car number 303 starts to brake and reduces the speed up to 35 km / h .The report also states that After the impact, the car does not stop.There is no significant evidence in the accelerometer that can prove contact between the car and the quad, "explains the official communiqué of the commissioners.

Carlos warned Koolen with the sentinel , he abruptly reduced his speed and for 12 seconds he followed the quad at a speed between 50 and 60 km / h, and finally, he went down to 37 km / h before overtaking the quad. proved by the telemetry data ", summed up Famin .

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 09:28:48 pm
The Austrian leader rides smoother than even me  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/foBPH03.gif)

Poetry!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 09:29:11 pm
Aussie boy pushing well  ;)
Ag Jirreki tog, I hope there are no Sheep on the Way, then he would have to Stop and lose Time......

Brilliant sense of humour toppie

Says Sheepman :imaposer:  --> Quoted for posterity!


Steve: Do you have the source of the other 14 Stewards decisions? I think it would make for interesting reading. (just call me a rally geek. ::) )
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 17, 2018, 09:31:15 pm
The quad rider was obviously listening to Enya....

Seems Carlos was in the right....

"In these data it is exposed that at minute 19:20 the car number 303, at a speed of approximately 160 km / h, sent two notices of sentinel that were received by quad number 254 at minute 19:21 and 19: 27, and the speed of the car number 303 at that time was reduced to about 52 km / h.From the minute 19:27 until the 19:45 (which is an interval of 18 seconds), the speed of the car number 303 is It maintains at 54 km / h, with an instant of acceleration reaching a speed of 92 km / h.In the minute 19:50 the car number 303 starts to brake and reduces the speed up to 35 km / h .The report also states that After the impact, the car does not stop.There is no significant evidence in the accelerometer that can prove contact between the car and the quad, "explains the official communiqué of the commissioners.

Carlos warned Koolen with the sentinel , he abruptly reduced his speed and for 12 seconds he followed the quad at a speed between 50 and 60 km / h, and finally, he went down to 37 km / h before overtaking the quad. proved by the telemetry data ", summed up Famin .

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c



Unless he slowed down to check that he had not run over the rider......
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 09:36:25 pm
If you read the rest of the report, “the telemetry data does not indicate an impact”
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 17, 2018, 09:38:26 pm
There seems to be very few mechanical DNF's. Mostly crashes, 450's seems solid.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 09:38:44 pm
Steve: Do you have the source of the other 14 Stewards decisions? I think it would make for interesting reading. (just call me a rally geek. ::) )

Nope, sorry, I got that off ADV. It would be interesting to hear Gilly's opinion, but I suspect she won't really be able to give her full opinion "in the public domain"

I do think that the Org has to do something to reduce the risk to riders. Too many close calls, and the consequence of an incident could be, well, fatal. They need to put the fear of Allah in the drivers of card and trucks. Touch a bike and you are history.
Quads, on the other hand, should be declared as legitimate targets, with a reward for hitting them (provided the rider is not injured of course) 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 09:39:27 pm
Gerry@WP7  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Make that WP8
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 09:50:26 pm
Gerry@WP7  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Make that WP8

He’s definitely in the running for my vote for the, “I didn’t come this far to come this far” honourary Joey Evans award.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 17, 2018, 09:55:01 pm
From all my many years of riding over all types of terrain, at great speed and immense skill, I can say one thing for sure.

Quads always get in everybody's way. :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 17, 2018, 09:59:25 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Try not to squeal like a pig when you pass them....  :biggrin: :snorting: :snorting:

Yeah, I've been told it's excruciating @Xpat .  You may want to wear a pad or a diaper to absorb the blood.


It appears KTM has 4 out of the top 5 positions overall, am I reading this correctly???
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 10:07:33 pm
Reminder to all: this dakar iis a bitch, so stay hydrated!

I didnt and am down with kidney stones. You lot will have ride this one out without me.

Try not to squeal like a pig when you pass them....  :biggrin: :snorting: :snorting:

Yeah, I've been told it's excruciating @Xpat .  You may want to wear a pad or a diaper to absorb the blood.


It appears KTM has 4 out of the top 5 positions overall, am I reading this correctly???
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: big oil on January 17, 2018, 10:11:24 pm
What site is that screenshot from , @Kamanya ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: gmac on January 17, 2018, 10:32:33 pm
Gut wrenching to watch van beveren trying to keep riding yesterday - what a legend!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 17, 2018, 10:50:41 pm
What site is that screenshot from , @Kamanya ?
Free and best on the net. Throw him some money.
http://trackingdakar.nl/en/stage-11/bikes/standings/
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 17, 2018, 11:35:35 pm
Donovan and Willem@ASS
Gerry@WP9
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 02:25:09 am
From Wilanie:

Ek het gou met Willem gepraat.  Donovan het laat weet hy is klaar vir die dag. Hy is lekker moeg, maar dit gaan nog ok! Donovan se motorfiets se ketting het vandag gebreek, maar Willem het by hom gestop en hom gou gehelp. Dit was nie lank nie toe is beide weer op pad.

Willem sê sy ribbes voel baie beter as gister en hy kan heel gemaklik ry as hy pynpille drink. Vandag se skof was nie vir hom so baie erg nie en hy het baie lekker gery die laaste gedeelte.

Die manne is vol moed en positief oor die laaste 3 skofte!!

Terwyl hulle vandag aan Donovan se ketting gewerk het, het ‘n helikopter by hulle kom land. Toe die mense uitklim sien hulle dis die Dakarbaas en ‘n dokter. Hulle kom hoor toe net of als by die manne nog reg is en gee vir hulle water om te drink.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 02:44:18 am
Gerry’s in. Jou yster.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 02:59:20 am
From ADV:
A sample from tomorrows roadbook

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTxlyO9XkAAOf_9.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 03:02:13 am
From ADV - not yet confirmed.

Stage 12 for bikes and quads cancelled

Some friends in the bivouac have confirmed that it has just been announced. Do not know reason, and why cars and trucks wil race.
Initially it was mention some shortened special for bikes, now it's cancelled,!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 18, 2018, 05:56:06 am
some serious code in that roadbook :o looks like ktm for the win this year again
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 06:45:34 am






Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 18, 2018, 07:57:31 am
If you read the rest of the report, “the telemetry data does not indicate an impact”

In fact I did read the report. You missed my point entirely. Allow me to explain:

This new decision implies the complainant is either lying or deluded. You don't spend EU500.00 to lodge a protest because there nothing happened. Nor do you bother going out of your way after a long, difficult day late in the Dakar to waste time laying a complaint because of a near miss. Carlos Sainz probably hit him a glancing blow which is the only reason he is still able to walk & ride.

I'm suggesting the telemetry story is not necessarily a good indication of what might have actually happened. The motion sensor will not necessarily pick up a car striking a riders leg or body, nor a glancing blow on the bike either, maybe by a tyre or against a tyre.

I am choosing to believe the complainant in this on the balance of probabilities, rather than "telemetry". I'm not the steward though, so what do I know anyway...

Regardless I also maintain a 10 minute penalty was a joke for this type of thing. A complete waste of time in the first place. Does not & will not change behavior.

But its the Dakar - It is not meant to be fair.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 18, 2018, 08:13:55 am
If you read the rest of the report, “the telemetry data does not indicate an impact”

In fact I did read the report. You missed my point entirely. Allow me to explain:

This new decision implies the complainant is either lying or deluded. You don't spend EU500.00 to lodge a protest because there nothing happened. Nor do you bother going out of your way after a long, difficult day late in the Dakar to waste time laying a complaint because of a near miss. Carlos Sainz probably hit him a glancing blow which is the only reason he is still able to walk & ride.

I'm suggesting the telemetry story is not necessarily a good indication of what might have actually happened. The motion sensor will not necessarily pick up a car striking a riders leg or body, nor a glancing blow on the bike either, maybe by a tyre or against a tyre.

I am choosing to believe the complainant in this on the balance of probabilities, rather than "telemetry". I'm not the steward though, so what do I know anyway...

Regardless I also maintain a 10 minute penalty was a joke for this type of thing. A complete waste of time in the first place. Does not & will not change behavior.

But its the Dakar - It is not meant to be fair.
Neil Neil Neil, simple rule here, French car/ French organization - we have seen this movie before, no way he was going to get a penalty. Next Peugeot is gone, so who are the ASO gonna favour then? 
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 18, 2018, 09:02:19 am
surely the vehicles have constant video feed,nevermind all the helicopters flying around constantly tracking the leaders of the different classes,but the footage probably got lost :peepwall: also agreeing that 10 minutes was a complete bullshit punishment
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 18, 2018, 09:17:08 am
The Austrian leader rides smoother than even me  ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/foBPH03.gif)

Poetry!
One sweet suspension setup  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Dunce on January 18, 2018, 09:49:39 am
From all my many years of riding over all types of terrain, at great speed and immense skill, I can say one thing for sure.

Quads always get in everybody's way. :3some:
Quads are speed bumps... put there to test your suspension
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 18, 2018, 09:57:55 am


Gutt wrenching stuff that Stage 11 Epic Video!!

I really feel for that guy in this Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 18, 2018, 10:13:47 am


Gutt wrenching stuff that Stage 11 Epic Video!!

I really feel for that guy in this Dakar.
That is the real Dakar
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 18, 2018, 10:40:55 am
Glad Toby is upping his game. Would be great to see him on the podium.  :thumleft:

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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JK on January 18, 2018, 11:34:25 am
It only recently became know to me that there is a large South African group of people in Argentina that stems from the Anglo Boer War era. Lot of Boere fled to Argentina in this time of war. After the war a lot of them came back but also quite a few stayed behind and made this their country. I am sure this Du Plessis guy must be from one of those families
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Just In Time on January 18, 2018, 01:02:03 pm
Looks like I'll actually have to do some work today.  How disappointing is that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Avontier on January 18, 2018, 01:15:29 pm
It only recently became know to me that there is a large South African group of people in Argentina that stems from the Anglo Boer War era. Lot of Boere fled to Argentina in this time of war. After the war a lot of them came back but also quite a few stayed behind and made this their country. I am sure this Du Plessis guy must be from one of those families

Could be. Watched a documentary on this in December.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 18, 2018, 03:02:17 pm
Stage 12 for bikes and quads is cancelled

I reckon that seals the podium then.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BOER! on January 18, 2018, 03:03:18 pm
It only recently became know to me that there is a large South African group of people in Argentina that stems from the Anglo Boer War era. Lot of Boere fled to Argentina in this time of war. After the war a lot of them came back but also quite a few stayed behind and made this their country. I am sure this Du Plessis guy must be from one of those families

Here is the link.  I have been following this story for couple of years now.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 18, 2018, 04:22:35 pm


[/quote]

Can someone explain to me how a Malle Moto rider gets to change an engine. See 34s
I smell a rat when you see the name of the team of the guy who helped him. The conspiracy theorists may be right.
62    138    ROMAIN LELOUP  TEAM REPAR’STORES    57h 13' 24''    + 20h 39' 47''    01h 40' 00''
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 04:29:21 pm
Can someone explain to me how a Malle Moto rider gets to change an engine. See 34s
I smell a rat when you see the name of the team of the guy who helped him. The conspiracy theorists may be right.
62    138    ROMAIN LELOUP  TEAM REPAR’STORES    57h 13' 24''    + 20h 39' 47''    01h 40' 00''

Was also wondering about that.
From another video (previous dakar?) I saw Lyndon buying parts.
So I presume you are allowed to buy parts for your bike to keep going.
My assumption is that the box with parts and tools is just to make things easier or quicker and not to waste time fetching  everyday parts like airfilters. ??
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Welsh on January 18, 2018, 04:31:15 pm
It only recently became know to me that there is a large South African group of people in Argentina that stems from the Anglo Boer War era. Lot of Boere fled to Argentina in this time of war. After the war a lot of them came back but also quite a few stayed behind and made this their country. I am sure this Du Plessis guy must be from one of those families

An entire population of WELSH speaking in Patagonia, which the Argentinian government tried to destroy but still exists.  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Snafu on January 18, 2018, 04:36:02 pm

Can someone explain to me how a Malle Moto rider gets to change an engine. See 34s
I smell a rat when you see the name of the team of the guy who helped him. The conspiracy theorists may be right.
62    138    ROMAIN LELOUP  TEAM REPAR’STORES    57h 13' 24''    + 20h 39' 47''    01h 40' 00''

Does not sound right at all

How is Gerry's attitude though! wow!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rooikoos on January 18, 2018, 04:49:00 pm



Can someone explain to me how a Malle Moto rider gets to change an engine. See 34s
I smell a rat when you see the name of the team of the guy who helped him. The conspiracy theorists may be right.
62 138    ROMAIN LELOUP  TEAM REPAR’STORES 57h 13' 24'' + 20h 39' 47'' 01h 40' 00''
[/quote]

I would also like to know, never mind the new engine, I was under the impression that Malle Moto guys are not allowed any outside assistance from anyone?


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 04:54:52 pm
Can someone explain to me how a Malle Moto rider gets to change an engine. See 34s
I smell a rat when you see the name of the team of the guy who helped him. The conspiracy theorists may be right.
62 138    ROMAIN LELOUP  TEAM REPAR’STORES 57h 13' 24'' + 20h 39' 47'' 01h 40' 00''
I would also like to know, never mind the new engine, I was under the impression that Malle Moto guys are not allowed any outside assistance from anyone?

Did someone physically help him install the engine?
As I understand they can buy parts, get parts from other teams and someone can show them how to do something, but they have to do it themselves.
So he would have to install the engine on his own.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: landieman on January 18, 2018, 05:32:13 pm
It only recently became know to me that there is a large South African group of people in Argentina that stems from the Anglo Boer War era. Lot of Boere fled to Argentina in this time of war. After the war a lot of them came back but also quite a few stayed behind and made this their country. I am sure this Du Plessis guy must be from one of those families

Here is the link.  I have been following this story for couple of years now.


Hoe skielik is daar stof in my oe


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 18, 2018, 06:03:11 pm
From the rule book....

Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)

Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.

This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE.

At the Bivouac, it is mandatory for the rider registered in « Original » category to set-up and make all/any service and repairs in its dedicated area.

After having informed « Original » responsible, the Rider will be able to take his Machine out of the area to realise certain operations:
 With the Dakar Service Centre sponsors (tyres, oil, etc.),
 But also to weld, do repairs, clean and conduct tests with his Machine.



So, if you buy an engine (or any other part) or pack it along with another team you are welcome to change it with the attendant time penalties, but you have to do everything yourself.

One chap had a fork issue, under the eye of an organiser, he was allowed to take his fork to the KTM workshop where they had specialised tools and fix it himself. The Fork techie was allowed to tell him what to do but he had to do it all himself.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: JustBendIt on January 18, 2018, 06:08:37 pm
KTM Factory send 2 trucks with loaded with parts - it is an amazing setup...a full on rolling parts shop - any competitor can buy anything from them but the Malle Moto guys have to fit those parts themselves

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 18, 2018, 06:16:59 pm
KTM Factory send 2 trucks with loaded with parts - it is an amazing setup...a full on rolling parts shop - any competitor can buy anything from them but the Malle Moto guys have to fit those parts themselves

Up until a few years ago, they used to enter one of those trucks into the race. You paid upfront in Euros for the right to buy from them. I think it was 2500 Euros just to be able to stop the truck, then you had to pay for your part.

Cheap at the price if you are in the middle of fuck nothing and bend a fork or put a hole in a radiator.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: boland on January 18, 2018, 08:03:49 pm
AFAIK malle moto guys are allowed to help each other, i.e. extra hands to put in an engine
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 18, 2018, 09:32:52 pm
time penalties? Is Pain still ahead of Lyndon?

So Male Moto class is no more, its the original by Motul?
The forum needs a sponsor, a huge sonsor, a 'Wilddog' class will sound much better
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 09:45:49 pm
AFAIK malle moto guys are allowed to help each other, i.e. extra hands to put in an engine

Yup. Other mal fokkers may help you change your engine, but no outside help other than to give advice.
Brett blew fork seals on one of his Dakar rides. He bought the required parts (you may do this), then the guys in the KTM truck showed him how to do the work, but he had to actually do the work on his own forks himself. With goggles on because it was blowing a sandstorm.
Serious respect for the Malle Moto riders.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 18, 2018, 09:47:02 pm
From the rule book....

Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)

Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.

This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE.

At the Bivouac, it is mandatory for the rider registered in « Original » category to set-up and make all/any service and repairs in its dedicated area.

After having informed « Original » responsible, the Rider will be able to take his Machine out of the area to realise certain operations:
 With the Dakar Service Centre sponsors (tyres, oil, etc.),
 But also to weld, do repairs, clean and conduct tests with his Machine.



So, if you buy an engine (or any other part) or pack it along with another team you are welcome to change it with the attendant time penalties, but you have to do everything yourself.

One chap had a fork issue, under the eye of an organiser, he was allowed to take his fork to the KTM workshop where they had specialised tools and fix it himself. The Fork techie was allowed to tell him what to do but he had to do it all himself.
To clarify my understanding is they could only use the spares they took with them in their trunks. Buying additional spares as far as I know is not allowed. I do know they have to bring their own tyres to have fitted during the race. Surely an engine is the same.
The guy who helped is a rider in the originals class so allowed to help.

It’s just Olivier Pain is Team Top and the guy who helped him is Team REPAR’STORES. It’s almost as if he riding to back Olivier up which is not in the spirit of originals. Also I don’t see a time penalty


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: SteveD on January 18, 2018, 09:53:07 pm

Gutt wrenching stuff that Stage 11 Epic Video!!
I really feel for that guy in this Dakar.
That is the real Dakar

He withdrew yesterday. Completely fooked.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 10:37:58 pm
time penalties? Is Pain still ahead of Lyndon?

Olivier received a 15min time penalty but I think he is or was 1.5 hours ahead of Lyndon.

Link: http://trackingdakar.nl/en/stage-12/bikes/standings/?list=18
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 10:45:15 pm
To clarify my understanding is they could only use the spares they took with them in their trunks. Buying additional spares as far as I know is not allowed. I do know they have to bring their own tyres to have fitted during the race. Surely an engine is the same.

I think spares are allowed.
- Saw a video of Lyndon arriving on a quad with bags of spares. Think it was last years Dakar.
- The images of all his equipment to be carted around just show two sets of wheels and tyres. He must use way more than that and probably buy them?
- Not sure if it was Brett that Steve referred to or a similar incident but the rider received oil for the forks in the correct exact volume for his fork from the guy who showed him how to fix it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 10:48:28 pm
Lyndon Episode 15 Stage 10

https://www.youtube.com/v/-peMzZGiy9A
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 18, 2018, 10:54:23 pm
Spares are allowed in malle moto almost unlimited - yes i was also surprised. Lyndon has wheels and tyres with one support team, and has prepaid option to buy stuff from ktm truck should he need something. The only difference for mm class as far as i can see is they need to do all their work themselves (again with exception of some sponsor things like tyre change where michelin or whiever is official dakar sponsor does it for them. And they sleep in tents.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 11:03:06 pm
Spares are allowed in malle moto almost unlimited - yes i was also surprised. Lyndon has wheels and tyres with one support team, and has prepaid option to buy stuff from ktm truck should he need something.

In the video above Lyndon does just that and buys parts.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 18, 2018, 11:17:59 pm
There you go. Im in hospital, so couldnt see the videos yet. But if anybody is interested in nuances of malle moto, head to main dakar thread on advrider, there was a long heated handbag swinging debate about it, including Lyndon’s dad
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 18, 2018, 11:24:28 pm
From the rule book....

Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)

Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.

This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE.

At the Bivouac, it is mandatory for the rider registered in « Original » category to set-up and make all/any service and repairs in its dedicated area.

After having informed « Original » responsible, the Rider will be able to take his Machine out of the area to realise certain operations:
 With the Dakar Service Centre sponsors (tyres, oil, etc.),
 But also to weld, do repairs, clean and conduct tests with his Machine.



So, if you buy an engine (or any other part) or pack it along with another team you are welcome to change it with the attendant time penalties, but you have to do everything yourself.

One chap had a fork issue, under the eye of an organiser, he was allowed to take his fork to the KTM workshop where they had specialised tools and fix it himself. The Fork techie was allowed to tell him what to do but he had to do it all himself.
To clarify my understanding is they could only use the spares they took with them in their trunks. Buying additional spares as far as I know is not allowed. I do know they have to bring their own tyres to have fitted during the race. Surely an engine is the same.
The guy who helped is a rider in the originals class so allowed to help.

It’s just Olivier Pain is Team Top and the guy who helped him is Team REPAR’STORES. It’s almost as if he riding to back Olivier up which is not in the spirit of originals. Also I don’t see a time penalty


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No, they've always been able to buy anything they need. If you've got the bucks to pay for stowage with another team for some of your shit, then there's nothing against that. Just you may only get help from another MM rider.

The idea of MM is doing it unassisted. It's not doing it with only what's in your trunk.

Donovan has extra tires stored aboard the same team that Willem and Gerry are riding with. He's got a hire bike from that team too. He damaged his navigation mounts and would have gone to the team to get spares for that or the KTM truck if they didn't have.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KiLRoy on January 18, 2018, 11:26:07 pm
Point is, it seems not all originals are equal in the race?

Maybe seperate the malle moto's from the 'originals'. Because this is not original at all?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 18, 2018, 11:30:18 pm
Ok, reading back now i see i won this years 205 reward on this :xxbah:

@KiLRoy: that is exactly the gist of that advrider discussion. Just go there and mention it - i think that topic will reignite at slightest provocation😈
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KiLRoy on January 18, 2018, 11:32:44 pm
Ok, reading back now i see i won this years 205 reward on this :xxbah:

@KiLRoy: that is exactly the gist of that advrider discussion. Just go there and mention it - i think that topic will reignite at slightest provocation😈

Nah rather not  :biggrin:

But its a valid point and frankly difficult to balance.  Trying to keep the original spirit in a modern changing world.  Oh sorry, thought you weree talking about bike forums... :peepwall: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 18, 2018, 11:38:28 pm
Kamanya. Gerry sounds very similar to you on this video.
Jump to minute 1:00

https://www.youtube.com/v/F5f1cQwA3Nw
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 12:34:35 am
Kamanya. Gerry sounds very similar to you on this video.
Jump to minute 1:00

https://www.youtube.com/v/F5f1cQwA3Nw

Hahahaha!
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: lpj on January 19, 2018, 02:09:17 am
Excellent riding from Donovan, Gerry and David. The snowball never came close, despite the specials being extremely difficult this year.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 07:57:29 am
From the rule book....

Original by Motul (ex Malles Motos Challenge)

Bikes and quads pilots competing without any accompanying person, being in-race, assistance or Media, will be eligible to participate in this category.

This category previously named “Malles Moto” becomes “The Original by Motul”. Pilots competing under this category will now use this name to define themselves.
This category refers to bikes and quads pilots competing WITHOUT ANY KIND OF ASSISTANCE.

At the Bivouac, it is mandatory for the rider registered in « Original » category to set-up and make all/any service and repairs in its dedicated area.

After having informed « Original » responsible, the Rider will be able to take his Machine out of the area to realise certain operations:
 With the Dakar Service Centre sponsors (tyres, oil, etc.),
 But also to weld, do repairs, clean and conduct tests with his Machine.



So, if you buy an engine (or any other part) or pack it along with another team you are welcome to change it with the attendant time penalties, but you have to do everything yourself.

One chap had a fork issue, under the eye of an organiser, he was allowed to take his fork to the KTM workshop where they had specialised tools and fix it himself. The Fork techie was allowed to tell him what to do but he had to do it all himself.

I still can't see how Lyndon gets past this??  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: billy-joe on January 19, 2018, 08:40:51 am
How did Lyndon transgress?


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Rough Rider on January 19, 2018, 08:44:21 am
How many fooking air filters does Lyndon use???
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 19, 2018, 08:54:30 am
How did Lyndon transgress?


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Well, he clearly has media team accompanying him.

But i think that stipulation is a bit silly - they are not helping him with bike or roadbook or other stuff, and he actually has to devote effort and time to videos, that he could use better - for example to rest.

Orgas clearly know about his approach snd let him do it, so i think reason prevailed in this case
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 08:55:23 am
Whether a media teams follows you around or someone helps you change an engine yes indeed the lone ranger status seems to have changed over the years.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 08:55:51 am
How did Lyndon transgress?


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He has 2 guys in a media vehicle chasing and documenting his whole race. I don't mind, because the coverage is awesome. But from what I understand in the rules, media assistance is not allowed in that class. Maybe I'm wrong?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 19, 2018, 09:01:18 am
how is that assistance? His life would have been easier if he did not have them there to keep in mind with all his daily planning. get the footage to them, tell them what to watch out for on the footage. carry around 4 gopros and and
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 09:03:37 am
Today's stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 09:07:08 am
how is that assistance? His life would have been easier if he did not have them there to keep in mind with all his daily planning. get the footage to them, tell them what to watch out for on the footage. carry around 4 gopros and and

It's because someone is making his tea ....lol
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 09:16:03 am
how is that assistance? His life would have been easier if he did not have them there to keep in mind with all his daily planning. get the footage to them, tell them what to watch out for on the footage. carry around 4 gopros and and

I was just referring to the wording in the rules versus what he is doing.
The fact that it is another PITA for him to deal with is not the point.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: billy-joe on January 19, 2018, 09:23:49 am
If they see that as assistance then that’s a bit silly.

It is really entertaining too which helps. Puts things into perspective as to how difficult Malle moto really is


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Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bmad on January 19, 2018, 09:31:35 am
Lyndon had to get special permission to have a media crew entered into the rally and do what they are doing.
They are also restricted by the rules and the ASO in terms of what they can publish and how much they can publish, which is why we only get 10 minutes a day.

If he was french and had a red box, it may have been different  O0
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 19, 2018, 09:35:16 am
Excuse my ignorance. Why was stage 12 cancelled for bikes and quads? I missed that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 09:37:08 am
how is that assistance? His life would have been easier if he did not have them there to keep in mind with all his daily planning. get the footage to them, tell them what to watch out for on the footage. carry around 4 gopros and and

I was just referring to the wording in the rules versus what he is doing.
The fact that it is another PITA for him to deal with is not the point.

The grammar makes me believe that it's a translation from French. Maybe if we read the French version, it might be a little clearer what they were intending by it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 09:38:50 am
Excuse my ignorance. Why was stage 12 cancelled for bikes and quads? I missed that.

It was a 800km stage with a lot of Fesh Fesh and potential sand storms.

The riders all got together and protested about the danger of being set off under these circumstances with the cars.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 19, 2018, 09:39:49 am
Well, as i said there is a whole shitstorm about this on advrider. The thing is, charm of malle moto was that it is the category for everyman on budget - the only way many of mm competitors can afford dakar. There is imo somewhat valid argument that mm should not be a competition, but kind of adv rally raid brotherhood without ranking.

Lyndon and Pain are sponsored riders, who stated they are there to win. By bringing media attention to category, its profile will rise, potentially bringing more sponsored riders (who can afford ktm support truck or similar) to participate, who will eventually edge out the budget guy. Ie turning mm into another hypercompetitive category.

I kind of see the point both sides make, and cannot decide one way or other.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 09:48:31 am
I am also in 2 minds whether a former elite rider/ podium finisher should be allowed in that class....
But I guess, if such a rider abides by the rules then it is fine. In my mind, the class was always for amateur riders on a budget, not so any more.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: cocky on January 19, 2018, 09:49:55 am
I am also in 2 minds whether a former elite rider/ podium finisher should be allowed in that class....
But I guess, if such a rider abides by the rules then it is fine. In my mind, the class was always for amateur riders on a budget, not so any more.
But he is French and with that he can do what ever the fuck he likes, ASO will change the rules to suit them.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 10:01:36 am
What did Lyndon buy for euro 500 ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 19, 2018, 10:05:03 am
What did Lyndon buy for euro 500 ?

Looked like a front brake lever, brake pads, chain and sprockets, chain lube or silicone spray and a few bits and bobs to fix small broken things on his bike.


Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: wiledog_X on January 19, 2018, 10:11:13 am
Excuse my ignorance. Why was stage 12 cancelled for bikes and quads? I missed that.

It was a 800km stage with a lot of Fesh Fesh and potential sand storms.

The riders all got together and protested about the danger of being set off under these circumstances with the cars.

Thanks Kamanya.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 10:13:54 am
What did Lyndon buy for euro 500 ?

Looked like a front brake lever, brake pads, chain and sprockets, chain lube or silicone spray and a few bits and bobs to fix small broken things on his bike.


So stuff that should of been in his "box" .Ie pack 3 of each lever ,two spare chains,sprockets etc etc instead of only one spare .........I'm sure if he had no option to buy "spares" along the way he would of made a plan to use what he had just like old days.

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: funky_munky on January 19, 2018, 10:14:58 am
I am also in 2 minds whether a former elite rider/ podium finisher should be allowed in that class....
But I guess, if such a rider abides by the rules then it is fine. In my mind, the class was always for amateur riders on a budget, not so any more.

Even though Pain is a ex factory rider, he is still riding according the rules. Malle Moto is a complete different kettle of fish compared to what the Factory Riders experience.

Factory Riders get up in the morning, in their camper van, which has all the required luxuries that they could need. hop on their bike, ride the stage, hop off at the end, explain to the techies what may be wrong, go have a shower, get some chow, a massage, mark their road book and go to bed, in a real bed.

Malle Moto get up in the morning, pack up their tent and other kit which may be out from the night before. eat, get to the start, ride the stage, service / fix their bike, they can buy parts from the KTM truck. You get billed by KTM after the rallye for the parts you purchased. The truck carries, enough kit to basically rebuild your bike from scratch. To be able to get this service you have to pay a non refundable amount, think it is in the region of 2500 dollars or euro. if your rallye ends on stage one, thats it no refund. Most Malle Moto riders have a agreement with another team to carry a spare set of wheels, this costs the rider as they have to pay the team for the space used.

Lyndon gets his air filters, oil filters, chains, sprockets, etc from this truck. in the one video of his he purchases about 500 Euro in one shot from the truck. Lyndon got special permission to document his dakar experience. The media truck does not carry any extra kit for Lyndon, they get his on board media, film extras and interview, edit and upload. Lyndon has also done a couple of facebook live videos, all within the rules.

In Malle Moto, you can get visual assistance, ie you can view how to fix you forks with the WP guys. you then have to do the job yourself. they an give guidance while you do this. If you open your engine, it counts the same as a engine swop, you get the same time penalties.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 10:25:36 am
Well done Pain, not many ex factory riders that will go back to roughing it  :thumleft: Reminds me of Franco Picco who came back and did the Dakar last year at aged 62  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: BiG DoM on January 19, 2018, 10:34:26 am
Well done Pain, not many ex factory riders that will go back to roughing it  :thumleft: Reminds me of Franco Picco who came back and did the Dakar last year at aged 62  :thumleft:

I agree Pain has balls (and hopefully not Pain in the balls  :imaposer:). I looked at BB sitting in the shade in an armchair wussing out again and thought to myself that he could never do MM - too softcock. He did not even have rings under his eyes - ja has a fooked up knee but actually the real problem was that his ego was brusied worse (and he knew he was about to to become a waterboy for Walkner).  I have given him the benefit of the doubt and still rated him for a win but have come to the sad realisation that although he is as fast as Price he does not seem to have the rest of the necessary.  :o 

I think it was a mistake to give Motul sponsorship of the MM and rebrand it - another Dakar commercial sellout.  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 10:57:37 am

I think it was a mistake to give Motul sponsorship of the MM and rebrand it - another Dakar commercial sellout.  :-\

I tend to agree.
But thats the nature of a profit chasing beast.
At least it seems they have dropped the whole "Odyssey" thing from recent years.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 11:07:45 am
Dakar victories 1979 - 2017 cars

Mitsubishi - 12
Peugeot - 6 (close to 7)
Volkswagen - 4
Mini - 4
Citroen - 4
Porsche - 2
Schlesser - 2
Range Rover - 1
Mercedes - 1
Renault - 1
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: m0lt3n on January 19, 2018, 11:31:39 am
Dakar victories 1979 - 2017 cars

Mitsubishi - 12
Peugeot - 6 (close to 7)
Volkswagen - 4
Mini - 4
Citroen - 4
Porsche - 2
Schlesser - 2
Range Rover - 1
Mercedes - 1
Renault - 1

Super impressed by Peugeot. I think to win now vs 20 yrs ago requires much much more R & D (and money)
I was wondering about Mini, was it not BMW and now you don't see any BMW branding on the current Mini's ie they have pulled out?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: RyanI on January 19, 2018, 11:37:03 am
Dakar victories 1979 - 2017 cars

Mitsubishi - 12
Peugeot - 6 (close to 7)
Volkswagen - 4
Mini - 4
Citroen - 4
Porsche - 2
Schlesser - 2
Range Rover - 1
Mercedes - 1
Renault - 1

Amazing that Toyota have never won it. I really hope that next year once Peugeot is out that its their year. Since they came in seriously with Giniel they have always been beaten by bigger teams (Mini then Peugeot) with bigger budgets, but they keep going at it doing their best.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Buff on January 19, 2018, 11:44:04 am
I’m thinking that Pain replacing a brand new motor is BS. Not everyone racing in Malle Motor can afford a 2nd motor so how is that fair all around?
IMHO the casing should be marked at the beginning of the race and if you have a mechanical, you purchase the spares and fix it otherwise you’re out. By sponsored riders loading the trucks with every conceivable replacement part how does that make it an endurance challenge?
It simply means that those guys can race the tits off their bikes while the rest have to nurse a single motor through the entire event.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 19, 2018, 11:45:12 am
Dakar victories 1979 - 2017 cars

Mitsubishi - 12
Peugeot - 6 (close to 7)
Volkswagen - 4
Mini - 4
Citroen - 4
Porsche - 2
Schlesser - 2
Range Rover - 1
Mercedes - 1
Renault - 1

Amazing that Toyota have never won it.

But Toyota is reliable. Giniel has finished all 14 of his 14 Dakars.   :biggrin: :biggrin:
Is that true?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 19, 2018, 11:47:55 am
I am also in 2 minds whether a former elite rider/ podium finisher should be allowed in that class....
But I guess, if such a rider abides by the rules then it is fine. In my mind, the class was always for amateur riders on a budget, not so any more.

Even though Pain is a ex factory rider, he is still riding according the rules. Malle Moto is a complete different kettle of fish compared to what the Factory Riders experience.

Factory Riders get up in the morning, in their camper van, which has all the required luxuries that they could need. hop on their bike, ride the stage, hop off at the end, explain to the techies what may be wrong, go have a shower, get some chow, a massage, mark their road book and go to bed, in a real bed.

Malle Moto get up in the morning, pack up their tent and other kit which may be out from the night before. eat, get to the start, ride the stage, service / fix their bike, they can buy parts from the KTM truck. You get billed by KTM after the rallye for the parts you purchased. The truck carries, enough kit to basically rebuild your bike from scratch. To be able to get this service you have to pay a non refundable amount, think it is in the region of 2500 dollars or euro. if your rallye ends on stage one, thats it no refund. Most Malle Moto riders have a agreement with another team to carry a spare set of wheels, this costs the rider as they have to pay the team for the space used.

Lyndon gets his air filters, oil filters, chains, sprockets, etc from this truck. in the one video of his he purchases about 500 Euro in one shot from the truck. Lyndon got special permission to document his dakar experience. The media truck does not carry any extra kit for Lyndon, they get his on board media, film extras and interview, edit and upload. Lyndon has also done a couple of facebook live videos, all within the rules.

In Malle Moto, you can get visual assistance, ie you can view how to fix you forks with the WP guys. you then have to do the job yourself. they an give guidance while you do this. If you open your engine, it counts the same as a engine swop, you get the same time penalties.

For me Malle Moto or Motul Originals is great and does offer the amateur a way in. The principal will limit the costs. All power to Lyndon and any other that got sponsorship it helps alleviate costs.

Note how Lyndon's camera crew won't even help him fold his tent. I got the impression they were pushing it giving him a shot of whisky.  :ricky:

My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.

The question then is what is the time penalty for an engine swap and was it applied.? I have googled and can't find any reference to a time adjustment for Pain.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 11:53:51 am
Got to make sure MOTOREX don't win class

(http://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/642496/poskittday4.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 19, 2018, 11:58:06 am
Well, as i said there is a whole shitstorm about this on advrider. The thing is, charm of malle moto was that it is the category for everyman on budget - the only way many of mm competitors can afford dakar. There is imo somewhat valid argument that mm should not be a competition, but kind of adv rally raid brotherhood without ranking.

Lyndon and Pain are sponsored riders, who stated they are there to win. By bringing media attention to category, its profile will rise, potentially bringing more sponsored riders (who can afford ktm support truck or similar) to participate, who will eventually edge out the budget guy. Ie turning mm into another hypercompetitive category.

I kind of see the point both sides make, and cannot decide one way or other.

Don't understand the details here.

In my view all the MM riders are sponsored in some form. Some maybe by family and friends only and others like Pain have big sponsors.

How much of a difference can the size of sponsorship make in this class? 
Taking part in the Dakar is already expensive for a budget. The bike, parts and entry is not cheap.
How much more does someone like Pain spend over the average MM rider. His new engine won't make a huge impact on the overall cost? What else?

Outside MM must be much more expensive with crew and all the cost around that.


That said it sounds like one of the other MM riders (with the funny surname) is just there to help Pain if he needs it and maybe also sponsored by Pain's sponsors. ??
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 19, 2018, 12:00:56 pm
I don't know about you guys, but swapping an engine on your own when you still have to mark a road book, fix other broken bits, eat, sleep, change tyres (still a mission since the truck is sometimes 500m+ away according to Lyndon), is not desirable at all. Hence, the simple fact that you can won't be much of a motivation to ride your bike like a nutcase. However, if there is a dedicated MM rider that is there to be the other MM rider's mechanic, that does not sound right.  :bueller: However, if it is 2 buddies helping each other. Well, it is only each other's sleep they are depraving...  :lol8: And we have seen what sleep deprivation does to your ride the next day, a few guys bailed due to this...

Pain did get his 15 min penalty. However, he is leading Lyndon with 1hr 15 min.

Also, nobody is telling the Joe Average he may not compete since he does not have a spare engine. So I don't think it is unfair. (To be honest, when checking some sites which tells about the cost of doing the dakar on a bike, each one says you should take a spare engine. The cost of an engine vs the entry and doing the hole event is not that prohibitive)

I see SM sort of 205'd me.  ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 19, 2018, 12:01:54 pm
My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.

The question then is what is the time penalty for an engine swap and was it applied.? I have googled and can't find any reference to a time adjustment for Pain.

Yip, Pain gave the image in the interview that the other rider is there with the purpose to assist him.  Said it as if it was part of his job to help with the engine change.

The penalty seems to be 15 minutes and applied according to the non official tracking site.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 12:04:38 pm

My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.


How is that different than a father and son "team" or buddies tackling Dakar together helping each other out ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 12:06:08 pm

My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.


How is that different than a father and son "team" or buddies tackling Dakar together helping each other out ?

Well its different because I guess the assistance isn't reciprocal...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 12:08:11 pm
Donovan specifically borrowed Kobus Potgieters bike here in Cape Town to practice changing the engine on his own.

Donovan has raised all his own cash to take part. He is riding a hired bike and part of the hire agreement (that's he's paid for, and pays the extra if he needs it) is that he gets to be able to change his engine if he screws this one up.

Albert Hintenhaus who came 2nd in MM 2 years ago took along a spare engine that he got some team to cart along for him. When he sold that bike, the spare went with it.

All factory rally bikes are sold with an option of spare engine.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 19, 2018, 12:10:19 pm
My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.
How is that different than a father and son "team" or buddies tackling Dakar together helping each other out ?

You are right it is not. But with a father and son the aim is to both take part and finish.

Let's take the Pain situation to the extreme.  Say he has enough sponsorship to have another three assistants. They divide the days between them in which they work on Pain's bike. So Pain get's done with maintenance much quicker and no sleep deprivation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 12:11:15 pm
What's under all the heat being generated about MM is the romantic ideal vs the brutal reality.

It's telling that no body on ADVrider or here whose done it MM style is arguing against the perceived unfairness of being able to stash or buy spares. It's just the armchair raiders who are not happy.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Constantinople on January 19, 2018, 12:13:44 pm
Yip, Pain gave the image in the interview that the other rider is there with the purpose to assist him.  Said it as if it was part of his job to help with the engine change.

Can you please post the link to the video. I think I missed it...
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: bud500 on January 19, 2018, 12:18:23 pm

It's telling that no body on ADVrider or here whose done it MM style is arguing against the perceived unfairness of being able to stash or buy spares. It's just the armchair raiders who are not happy.

HEY...I also coach my Super Rugby team the same way.... :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 19, 2018, 12:22:04 pm
He mentioned Leloup did not let him down.

https://www.youtube.com/v/F5f1cQwA3Nw
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 12:35:58 pm


Not here

Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 12:36:50 pm
Pain is ex factory fact is he should be much faster than Poskitt anyway so he will have more than enough time to rest even if he had to change the engine himself.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Kamanya on January 19, 2018, 12:43:33 pm
Aaaannd they're off.

Thank fuck!

It's been a long enough break with all the attendant bickering.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 12:49:20 pm
lol...................leloup could be music he listens to on long haul
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 19, 2018, 12:51:26 pm

My worry with Olivier Pain is that LeLoup seems to be there as an extra pair of hands so he can focus more on the riding. If I am mistaken I will retract but he does say Leloup was an amazing help as usual. That is my concern now that I know engines and other parts can be bought.


How is that different than a father and son "team" or buddies tackling Dakar together helping each other out ?

Well its different because I guess the assistance isn't reciprocal...

I would say it would have to be as Pain cant afford for the other chap not to finish too. If he breaks down and is out Pain loses that support.
Title: Re: Dakar 2018
Post by: Xpat on January 19, 2018, 12:52:39 pm
What's under all the heat being generated about MM is the romantic ideal vs the brutal reality.

It's telling that no body on ADVrider or here whose done it MM style is arguing against the perceived unfairness of being able to stash or buy spares. It's just the armchair raiders who are not happy.

I don't see many (if anybody) here arguing against the option to buy spares, once it was clarified that it is fine according to rules. The only point of contention seems to me whether Pain is having a mechanic following him in disguise or not.

As I said, I'm in the 'don't know' space - i.e. not sure which one is better, or if there is anything wrong at all in thi