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Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: AndreB on November 06, 2017, 10:41:21 am
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ktm-790-adventure-leak/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Richard Smit on November 06, 2017, 02:45:54 pm
Thx for posting this!

I've been waiting two years for this bike...

And now I'm not sure if I like what I see. It looks a bit wide around the engine area. May just be the pics.

Let's see when the production model pics come out.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tampan on November 06, 2017, 05:51:24 pm
Agree, Richard. The designer ran out of ideas when he got to the headlight ... again!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: AfricaOffroad on November 06, 2017, 06:59:40 pm
Iím a KTM slut, but this is no supermodel
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on November 06, 2017, 07:04:04 pm
Yes she's carrying some extra luggage in the thighs but aside from that I love it. I like that the headlight has been mounted as high as it has; seems to double as a screen without having to actually mount a screen to the bike :p
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: evansv on November 06, 2017, 07:19:48 pm
Sub :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Sheepman on November 06, 2017, 07:39:31 pm
Looks exciting.....but those mid / bottom plastics look like an after thought  ::)  I love the less is more concept - less cleaning...less damage in a tip over or fall  ;D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Panne on November 06, 2017, 08:06:24 pm
790 Adventure R prototype will be announced tomorrow. My guess is we'll probably see the production bike launched this time next year.

"KTM 790 ADVENTURE R PROTOTYPE

The ADVENTURE community has been eagerly awaiting a lightweight, compact midrange travel enduro with outstanding cross-country ability... more info by tomorrow 1 pm on the Eicma"

https://www.facebook.com/Official.KTM/videos/1698405790230537/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 07, 2017, 11:53:13 am
790 Adventure R prototype will be announced tomorrow. My guess is we'll probably see the production bike launched this time next year.

"KTM 790 ADVENTURE R PROTOTYPE

The ADVENTURE community has been eagerly awaiting a lightweight, compact midrange travel enduro with outstanding cross-country ability... more info by tomorrow 1 pm on the Eicma"

https://www.facebook.com/Official.KTM/videos/1698405790230537/

OH.MY.SACK.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RedWolf on November 07, 2017, 12:39:58 pm
Ek soek nog heeltyd n worthy replacement vir my 990R. Die 1190 was nie heeltemal wat ek gehoop het nie. Tans is ek bikeloos. Ek het so gevoel ek gaan een van die eerste 790's in SA koop..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: JAS on November 07, 2017, 08:36:17 pm
Quote
Ek soek nog heeltyd n worthy replacement vir my 990R. Die 1190 was nie heeltemal wat ek gehoop het nie. Tans is ek bikeloos. Ek het so gevoel ek gaan een van die eerste 790's in SA koop..
Logged   

2019 only it seems   :xxbah:   :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2017, 08:40:12 pm
Ek soek nog heeltyd n worthy replacement vir my 990R. Die 1190 was nie heeltemal wat ek gehoop het nie. Tans is ek bikeloos. Ek het so gevoel ek gaan een van die eerste 790's in SA koop..

Solank jy bereid is om na my joune te kry ;)

Jy gaan eers egter middel 2019 in die garage kan he, so jy sal n plan moet maak tot dan.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2-Stroke on November 07, 2017, 09:09:55 pm
Personally, I think 2019 is going to be a good year.

https://thebikeshow.co.za/ktm-790-adventure/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RedWolf on November 07, 2017, 09:27:01 pm
Ek soek nog heeltyd n worthy replacement vir my 990R. Die 1190 was nie heeltemal wat ek gehoop het nie. Tans is ek bikeloos. Ek het so gevoel ek gaan een van die eerste 790's in SA koop..

Solank jy bereid is om na my joune te kry ;)

Jy gaan eers egter middel 2019 in die garage kan he, so jy sal n plan moet maak tot dan.
Nee donner. Dis te lank..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 08, 2017, 07:21:28 am
Kinda reminds me of this funny

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/f7/3a/1d/f73a1dbd3397ab729c7992861210a6a1--too-funny-funny-shit.jpg)

Haha



 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 09, 2017, 09:39:46 am
A closer look.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 09, 2017, 11:08:51 am
I see someone's copied Honda's CRF250Rally's black engine side-covers. ;)

But why the hell are they so wide on the 790??
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 09, 2017, 11:27:16 am
Fuel
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 09, 2017, 11:39:39 am
I see someone's copied Honda's CRF250Rally's black engine side-covers. ;)

But why the hell are they so wide on the 790??

Fuel and protection.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 09, 2017, 11:44:02 am
Fuel

So that's fuel tank down there, either side of the engine crankshaft?

Or is KTM hiding the fact that they're using a Boxer twin?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 09, 2017, 11:47:36 am
Fuel

So that's fuel tank down there, either side of the engine crankshaft?

Or is KTM hiding the fact that they're using a Boxer twin?

lol

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ktm-790-adventure-r-spy-photos-2a.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on November 09, 2017, 11:49:52 am
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 09, 2017, 12:18:41 pm
Fuel

So that's fuel tank down there, either side of the engine crankshaft?

Or is KTM hiding the fact that they're using a Boxer twin?

lol

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ktm-790-adventure-r-spy-photos-2a.jpg)

Yup, fuel, that black piece wher it splits at the bottom can come off. A skidplate of sorts.
No more ugly POS crashbars.

(http://advrider.com/index.php?attachments/ktm-790-adventure-prototype_li-jpg.)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dirt Junkie on November 10, 2017, 08:46:55 am
looks fairly slim from these angles
(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23172627_10155858329700818_6172527589722120904_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeG1Ws7uv6qio6JfujqnbROeDyeNIJ4MiQvHSJc5xkHhSA2VLgkkH7DI_oEd-Vgplg3TnetRG-8VbPPKQmvY0oo_6aLz8k3CUc-Z-CaQYbUu4A&_nc_pt=1&oh=00dea3db4505fe0152bc790c6a317eec&oe=5A697C11)
(https://scontent.fpry1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/23231287_10155858329955818_1525182475247058350_n.jpg?_nc_eui2=v1%3AAeGhwvSPP7zU6iaYbdq82HZ6Qnw07y2mtkovHSwxC5ApRSYJI55Aih7q26ArD1jhg7Uv0mKJKhjAdQZp8cSrxl2Em2EPdKvvEtC_qDG58dZmjg&_nc_pt=1&oh=9adcb10cbc2eda1f59fbd3d246bdf053&oe=5A9DCF7B)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 10, 2017, 08:53:29 am
That fuel tank reminds me a little of the HRC rally bikes. Only time will tell but there are potentially 2 or 3 variants here depending on the fuel tank and fairing options
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 10, 2017, 09:01:53 am
excuse the quick paint :)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 09:10:54 am
Omninorm, I absolutely agree with you on crashbars, to me the ugliest stuff you can possibly put on a motorcycle.

But.....I sincerely hope this 790, with it's very wide lower tanks, will not also still need crashbars around those tanks to protect them. :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on November 10, 2017, 09:11:08 am
I think it is fair to call this Bike a Praying Mantis.
Hotnotsgod.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on November 10, 2017, 09:24:47 am
I wanna know why a bike with that much mud on it, still has the rubber casting pippies on the front tyre.....  :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 09:32:35 am
I wanna know why a bike with that much mud on it, still has the rubber casting pippies on the front tyre.....  :patch:

Spray-on mud. :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 10, 2017, 09:47:18 am
I wanna know why a bike with that much mud on it, still has the rubber casting pippies on the front tyre.....  :patch:

Spray-on mud. :eek7:

I like it! Any specs on weight..

Those boxer like things are the fuel tanks me thinks!?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 10, 2017, 09:50:09 am
I wanna know why a bike with that much mud on it, still has the rubber casting pippies on the front tyre.....  :patch:


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 10, 2017, 09:54:59 am
Wet weight Ī200kg.. 103hp!

It all sound good but what about reliability?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 10, 2017, 10:14:05 am
That vid has just turned the AT into a road bike ......  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 10, 2017, 10:58:29 am
excuse the quick paint :)

Those things you erased are the "Protection / Skidplates" or whatever you want to call them apparently
Well the pieces that you can see is seperate from the top black plastic.

It's exactly the same as the 450 Rally
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 10, 2017, 11:09:33 am
Lets try a picture of what I'm trying to say.

(https://i.imgur.com/QSVy5Fw.jpg)

You can clearly see here that the fuel tank is behind that plastic.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=216575.0;attach=566814;image)

It's 2 seperate pieces. Yes the fuel tank goes that low...but around it is that plastic/skid plate like thing.
If thats polyurethane or thick molded plastic...then thats a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kortbroek on November 10, 2017, 11:47:34 am
I think it looks nice. But, the marketing kills me.
This sentence "Say Hello to the Trail-Shredding KTM 790 Adventure". Who are they kidding?

Weights in at around 180kg, so calling it a "trail shredder" is a bit rich. Sell if for what it is, a really capable adventure bike and not an enduro dirtbike.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 10, 2017, 11:54:21 am
I think it looks nice. But, the marketing kills me.
This sentence "Say Hello to the Trail-Shredding KTM 790 Adventure". Who are they kidding?

Weights in at around 180kg, so calling it a "trail shredder" is a bit rich. Sell if for what it is, a really capable adventure bike and not an enduro dirtbike.

Yeah, people see the pic of that dude riding up that hill jumping etc. Think if they buy that bike that will automatically be them   :biggrin:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 11:54:48 am
The Headlight/instrument nacelle seems like it is going to seriously impede your vision to the front, as in seeing the front wheel when picking a way through Van Zyl's pass?

The rest of the bike is good looking.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on November 10, 2017, 11:55:50 am
I very much doubt that a production bike will have fuel that low down, I just can't see that happening. Looks to me like the rear tank is still there but somewhat smaller than the current bikes.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 12:01:20 pm
Yes Brett, the shaft on that rear shock should last a 1000kms at least! :thumleft:

If the tanks are that low, and I know that these plastic tanks are tough, ask Kamanya who has been riding his low-tank 990 for ages, coupled to the flat-sump engine, this bike would
handle like a dream.

I love vertical transverse twins.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: LDV on November 10, 2017, 12:01:25 pm
I think it looks nice. But, the marketing kills me.
This sentence "Say Hello to the Trail-Shredding KTM 790 Adventure". Who are they kidding?

Weights in at around 180kg, so calling it a "trail shredder" is a bit rich. Sell if for what it is, a really capable adventure bike and not an enduro dirtbike.

The Ktm 450 rally weighs just below 180kg.
So this can maybe be seen as trail shredder.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2017, 12:08:58 pm
If you want a trail shredder, buy a 690/701. This is a tourer.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 10, 2017, 12:22:16 pm
Anybody knows the fuel capacity?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 10, 2017, 12:59:49 pm


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kelevra on November 10, 2017, 01:01:10 pm
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 10, 2017, 02:31:15 pm
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.

And terrible suspension! 0/10

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 10, 2017, 03:07:57 pm
(http://www.rg-racing.com/images/products/large/img1348.jpg)

Option

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: MiniDan on November 10, 2017, 04:11:25 pm
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.

And terrible suspension! 0/10



Yes, yes!
It is very important not to forget about that zero rating on the suspension... Thanks Omnonorn... :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zacapa on November 10, 2017, 06:44:03 pm
Could all have bought a XR650L for R50K new - thrown R15K mods on it - deleted 14Kg of weight and arrive at the best DualSport bike in the world that will fuck up any 690 any day where it matters most.
Oh FUCK! this is 2017 now already. I never realised till now. No this new orange 790 thing will be fine. I want one - when it eventually gets here in 2019. Till then i'm making contingency plans.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on November 10, 2017, 06:52:49 pm
"rediscover true adventure" - How original !!!  ::) ::) ::)
Guess the AT really rocked KTM's boat a huge bit ...  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kamanya on November 23, 2017, 11:16:02 am
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.

Just shows, taste is very personal.

I think it's fucking gorgeous!

... but I agree with you on the 640. The HP2 is another story, I like it.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 23, 2017, 11:23:29 am


Quote from: Fransw on November 10, 2017, 12:22:16 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217106.msg3944731#msg3944731)
Anybody knows the fuel capacity?
SPECULATION:
Time will tell if the fuel tank bulges get in the way on a rocky trail but we can be sure with fuel carried down low, the KTM 790 Adventure will have a lower center of gravity. Its parallel-twin engine will also help centralize mass (compared to a V-Twin) giving the bike a more compact and lighter feel. Both features should provide good slow-speed stability.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 11:41:15 am
"rediscover true adventure" - How original !!!  ::) ::) ::)
Guess the AT really rocked KTM's boat a huge bit ...  :imaposer:

 :laughing4:  Which planet do you reside in, is it at least in our Galaxy?
So youíre saying KTM stole the terrm ďTrue AdventureĒ from Honda, what exactly does that prove? That KTM isnít original :lol8:


Please explain in detail how the AT rocked KTMís boat. Has it sold more units for a given year? Is it lighter? Is it more powerful? Does it have a better power-to-weight? Has it been proven to be more reliable? Does it have superior suspension? Is it a ďcoolerĒ bike? Does it have better quality instrumentation and dashboards? Is the switchgear better quality? Does it have a catalogue of Honda powerparts to choose from?

And lastly how much time have you spent on an AT and 1190R/1290R to come to that conclusion - And Iím not talking about commuting ???

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 23, 2017, 11:44:38 am
"rediscover true adventure" - How original !!!  ::) ::) ::)
Guess the AT really rocked KTM's boat a huge bit ...  :imaposer:

 :laughing4:Which planet do you reside in, is it at least in our Galaxy?
So youíre saying KTM stole the terrm ďTrue AdventureĒ from Honda, what exactly does that prove? That KTM isnít original :lol8:


Please explain in detail how the AT rocked KTMís boat. Has it sold more units for a given year? Is it lighter? Is it more powerful? Does it have a better power-to-weight? Has it been proven to be more reliable? Does it have superior suspension? Is it a ďcoolerĒ bike? Does it have better quality instrumentation and dashboards? Is the switchgear better quality? Does it have a catalogue of Honda powerparts to choose from?

And lastly how much time have you spent on an AT and 1190R/1290R to come to that conclusion - And Iím not talking about commuting ???



 :laughing4:
no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no HELL no, no
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jpcussen on November 23, 2017, 11:45:02 am
I think this 790 and the 1290R are gorgeous... clearly taste is personal as Kamanya says as some would have us a believe is Big Red Pig is a better option  :imaposer:

And lets be fair this comes with the pedigree of 15 years straight Dakar wins, so good luck with that Honda and your superior heritage in performance Rally / Adv Bikeís - Sit Down
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 12:09:47 pm
I think this 790 and the 1290R are gorgeous... clearly taste is personal as Kamanya says as some would have us a believe is Big Red Pig is a better option  :imaposer:

And lets be fair this comes with the pedigree of 15 years straight Dakar wins, so good luck with that Honda and your superior heritage in performance Rally / Adv Bikeís - Sit Down

Absolutely, and yeah I mean we arenít even mentioning the pedigree. Total delusion.

Perhaps his standards are just really low...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on November 23, 2017, 12:14:30 pm
if you ride a KTM, you will be more likely to think the 790 is 'gorgeous'
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 12:15:40 pm
if you ride a KTM, you will be more likely to think the 790 is 'gorgeous'

Fair statement :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Mooch on November 23, 2017, 01:04:45 pm
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.

The 999 was designed by Terblanche, the SA designer that worked for Ducati as far as I recall.... Yes I also didnt really like it but love the other Dukes.
But having said that i think this 790 is very sexy!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kelevra on November 23, 2017, 01:23:34 pm
The third ugliest bike after the HP2 and the 640. Looks like the illegitimate groupie/orgy hate child between a praying mantis, grasshopper and Kymco gomoto bigboy whatnot. Can they not get the Italians involved, just not the guy responsible for the Ducati 999 please.

The 999 was designed by Terblanche, the SA designer that worked for Ducati as far as I recall.... Yes I also didnt really like it but love the other Dukes.
But having said that i think this 790 is very sexy!

Yip, I think he also did a multistrada or something. The thing that gets me is the light/instrument cluster that looks like an afterthought slap-on, separate from the bike. I guess its practical and done for a reason.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dirt Junkie on November 23, 2017, 01:40:13 pm
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 23, 2017, 01:45:26 pm
Priced correctly and taking into consideration class, market segment, DNA and aspirational value it's gonna attract a whole lot of riders irrespective of current brands & motor size you already have
It might just devour into others market share
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 23, 2017, 06:56:14 pm
Priced correctly and taking into consideration class, market segment, DNA and aspirational value it's gonna attract a whole lot of riders irrespective of current brands & motor size you already have
It might just devour into others market share

Yes, but only in 2019! :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2017, 07:07:04 pm
"rediscover true adventure" - How original !!!  ::) ::) ::)
Guess the AT really rocked KTM's boat a huge bit ...  :imaposer:

 :laughing4:  Which planet do you reside in, is it at least in our Galaxy?
So youíre saying KTM stole the terrm ďTrue AdventureĒ from Honda, what exactly does that prove? That KTM isnít original :lol8:


Please explain in detail how the AT rocked KTMís boat. Has it sold more units for a given year? Is it lighter? Is it more powerful? Does it have a better power-to-weight? Has it been proven to be more reliable? Does it have superior suspension? Is it a ďcoolerĒ bike? Does it have better quality instrumentation and dashboards? Is the switchgear better quality? Does it have a catalogue of Honda powerparts to choose from?

And lastly how much time have you spent on an AT and 1190R/1290R to come to that conclusion - And Iím not talking about commuting ???

Yes, it's well known that the KTM's is useless for commuting with their exhaust-heated seats. ;) Renrew, you seem to suffer from fried balls. :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 07:10:00 pm
"rediscover true adventure" - How original !!!  ::) ::) ::)
Guess the AT really rocked KTM's boat a huge bit ...  :imaposer:

 :laughing4:  Which planet do you reside in, is it at least in our Galaxy?
So youíre saying KTM stole the terrm ďTrue AdventureĒ from Honda, what exactly does that prove? That KTM isnít original :lol8:


Please explain in detail how the AT rocked KTMís boat. Has it sold more units for a given year? Is it lighter? Is it more powerful? Does it have a better power-to-weight? Has it been proven to be more reliable? Does it have superior suspension? Is it a ďcoolerĒ bike? Does it have better quality instrumentation and dashboards? Is the switchgear better quality? Does it have a catalogue of Honda powerparts to choose from?

And lastly how much time have you spent on an AT and 1190R/1290R to come to that conclusion - And Iím not talking about commuting ???

Yes, it's well known that the KTM's is useless for commuting with their exhaust-heated seats. ;) Renrew, you seem to suffer from fried balls. :pot:

LOL

My balls are already on fire, exhaust only cools it ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2017, 07:11:02 pm
 :laughing4:

True KTM rider, quick on the draw. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 07:42:49 pm
So @XRRX /Houdini - Every time you pull a move/statement you disappear when someone calls you out... then itís off to the next bull statement.

In all seriousness, please bestow onto us mortals your pearls of wisdom :sip: I wait in anticipation for your ďrhetoricĒ

I should probably just leave it, just now he runs to a mod again for hurting his feelings, but I canít resist :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Sheepman on November 23, 2017, 08:00:20 pm
Lovely bike, by the pics  :thumleft: Guaranteed its biggest assets will not be its " perfect paint job...and near perfect switch gear...and carrying its well distributed weight in perfect harmony with the rider....",  but rather  " powerful engine...superb suspension....cracking geometry....and razor sharp handling "
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RedWolf on November 23, 2017, 08:01:12 pm
I absolutely love Honda, but I love KTM more!

I LOVE the 790!!!!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 08:13:30 pm
The KTM 790 will not only devour other brands bikes sales (as usual), but will cannibalize some KTM model sales. It can be THAT good.

Lets see: 180-190kgís, 100+ hp and 275mm suspension travel (speculated) with razor handling - Youíd be mental not to buy it.

Iíd go so far as to say Iíd sell all my bikes if I had to and only have that bike. Ok, not really but you get the point :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2017, 08:42:48 pm
I do believe the AT1000 rattled a few cages.

Another point is that the old AT650/750's have legend status, and this coupled to real reliability and holding value for a long time, appeals to many buyers.

The new AT, especially the "autobox" model, is making friends wherever it goes.

Renrew, it does not look good when you have to try and beat up legends to make the 790 seem great. I am sure it would be able to carry itself. :ricky:

But then again, the 790 adv only seem to be going to arrive here in 2019, it could turn out to be a crock'o' shite. ;), with a problematic engine, or Sachs forks. >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:05:24 pm
I do believe the AT1000 rattled a few cages.

Another point is that the old AT650/750's have legend status, and this coupled to real reliability and holding value for a long time, appeals to many buyers.

The new AT, especially the "autobox" model, is making friends wherever it goes.

Renrew, it does not look good when you have to try and beat up legends to make the 790 seem great. I am sure it would be able to carry itself. :ricky:

But then again, the 790 adv only seem to be going to arrive here in 2019, it could turn out to be a crock'o' shite. ;), with a problematic engine, or Sachs forks. >:D

I donít try beat up legends, the CRF1000L is not a legend. And itís predecessors might be ďlegendsĒ but that means nothing and jt was AGES ago. Nothing I say will make the 790 look good, it will be what it will be. Most likely a fucking ripper piece of kit, but yeah, who knows.

I wasnít referring to the 19foertsek AT - I was referring to the CRF1000L. All manufacturers have legend bikes and it does not by proxy mean they only make legend bikes and will again make a legend bike. Fortunately for KTM, most of their bikes take no prisoners except a little dust here and there :lol8:

To your point of what looks good - It does not look good if a lost sole blasts statements of grandiosity with zero relevant experience, zero factual validity and even less in-depth knowledge of the topic. (not referring to you).

In truth I donít think KTM even pay any attention to the  CRF1k, itís an average bike, but a good kind of average nevertheless ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:10:10 pm
There is a distinct possibility it might turn out to be a softcock bike like what the T7 is turning out to be. Ok, not quite that soft, but close ;) :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:21:19 pm
Lovely bike, by the pics  :thumleft: Guaranteed its biggest assets will not be its " perfect paint job...and near perfect switch gear...and carrying its well distributed weight in perfect harmony with the rider....",  but rather  " powerful engine...superb suspension....cracking geometry....and razor sharp handling "

Switchgear - Have you seen/felt the CRF1k switchgear? Makes me think of a bigboy crosswd with a s10. And the instrumentation cluster looks like a cheap toy.

Weight - You talking about weight distr of the bike? KTM big bikes are renowned for their impeccable ergoís and geo/weight distr...

Or am I misunderstanding you?  :o

I must say though - Iím not into the whole fighter jet, sharp lines vibe of the 790 Tank shrouds, maybe itíll grow on me. Sure, for the SD it works, but for this bike... Donít know.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Sheepman on November 23, 2017, 09:22:41 pm
Lovely bike, by the pics  :thumleft: Guaranteed its biggest assets will not be its " perfect paint job...and near perfect switch gear...and carrying its well distributed weight in perfect harmony with the rider....",  but rather  " powerful engine...superb suspension....cracking geometry....and razor sharp handling "

Switchgear - Have you seen/felt the CRF1k switchgear? Makes me think of a bigboy crosswd with a s10. And the instrumentation cluster looks like a cheap toy.

Weight - You talking about weight distr of the bike? KTM big bikes are renowned for their impeccable ergoís and geo/weight distr...

Or am I misunderstanding you?  :o

Chill china...read properly and understand  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2017, 09:25:00 pm
The fact that a whole bunch of AT1000's just did Kaokoland, without a single hiccup, makes it legend already.

KTM's are indeed sharp tools, but they are for around the kospotte, can't go wandering too far from the parts counter.

And I say that as a guy who likes KTM's, but just don't like their shit they give.

KTM needs assist more than BMW.

The AT1000 do not need to pretend it's a Dakar winner.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:27:40 pm
Lovely bike, by the pics  :thumleft: Guaranteed its biggest assets will not be its " perfect paint job...and near perfect switch gear...and carrying its well distributed weight in perfect harmony with the rider....",  but rather  " powerful engine...superb suspension....cracking geometry....and razor sharp handling "

Switchgear - Have you seen/felt the CRF1k switchgear? Makes me think of a bigboy crosswd with a s10. And the instrumentation cluster looks like a cheap toy.

Weight - You talking about weight distr of the bike? KTM big bikes are renowned for their impeccable ergoís and geo/weight distr...

Or am I misunderstanding you?  :o

Chill china...read properly and understand  ;)

Iím super chilled - I listened properly :lol8:

The ďNOTĒ makes it read like you it wonít be known for x,y,z - hence why I thought I might be misunderstanding what you tried to say :thumleft:

We concur :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 23, 2017, 09:35:26 pm
I would hate to see the 690 single pot replaced by this...do you think it will happen? Maybe KTM drops the 690 & Husky keeps the 701?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:40:32 pm
The fact that a whole bunch of AT1000's just did Kaokoland, without a single hiccup, makes it legend already.

KTM's are indeed sharp tools, but they are for around the kospotte, can't go wandering too far from the parts counter.

And I say that as a guy who likes KTM's, but just don't like their shit they give.

KTM needs assist more than BMW.

The AT1000 do not need to pretend it's a Dakar winner.
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Iím afraid our requirements for legendary are worlds apart. A sinical man like yourself should look a bit deeper into that Kaokoland statement.

I think your perception of KTM is skewed Dan, I really mean it. You had a kak experience and now youíre generalising. Iíve had ZERO kak with any of my bikes and Iíve had too many to mention and ridden them HARD and long. Sure, I havenít taken them on a 4 week tour through Angola...

KTM will continue to steal AT/Honda customers, but Honda will very seldomly get KTM customers!

How many  CRF1kís are there and how many 990ís,1090í,1190ís and 1290ís are there? You realise the sample is massiviely disproportional when making your statement of how reliable they are... shatís more, any of the above bikes listed (spanning many years and 4 different models) would nail the AT :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:41:14 pm
Just donít ride in dusty conditions :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:42:36 pm
I would hate to see the 690 single pot replaced by this...do you think it will happen? Maybe KTM drops the 690 & Husky keeps the 701?

The 701 is huskyís baby now. You wonít likely see a single pot like the 690 in KTMís arsenal any time soon. Which is ok, the 701 is awesome.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 23, 2017, 09:46:26 pm
To be fair - The CRF1k does handle REALLY well and itís a proper bike!!! Iíve given it horns a couple times and was impressed!

But thatís off topic.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on November 23, 2017, 10:02:58 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 07:28:30 am
How ironic

 :loser:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 24, 2017, 07:35:08 am
Meanwhile back at KTM...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 07:38:47 am
Meanwhile back at KTM...

Stop it :drif:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 24, 2017, 07:41:14 am
Meanwhile back at KTM...

Stop it :drif:
Step away from the bike and no one gets hurt...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 24, 2017, 08:22:08 am
This 790 is like the 950SE reincarnated.

Not a tourer, in the majority's definition of a tourer, and not a tech ride, in the majority's definition of a technically-able bike.

KTM is handing over the mantle for technically-able bikes to their subsidiary, Husqvarna, and they are going after BMW for sales with these porky's. :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Archangel on November 24, 2017, 08:23:36 am
So after all the brand bashing and pissing contests, I'll through in a handbag or two...  :biggrin:

I sold my 950 AdvS to get something smaller and lighter. The Husky TE610 is great in the dirt and very capable in technical sections, but lacks (ever so slightly) in the top end (maybe I'm just too fat?) and comfort departments, making it good, but not great for traveling longer distances, unless they're very technical routes or unless you're shorter than 1.85m and weigh less than 95kg. When cruizing, I end up sitting right on the rear (hard) part of the seat. I get that you're supposed to be sitting more forward and "attacking" the corners, but this mostly only happens when playing in the bush.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Huky, but I might see something like this in my near future.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RobLH on November 24, 2017, 08:35:46 am
I do believe the AT1000 rattled a few cages.

In truth I donít think KTM even pay any attention to the  CRF1k, itís an average bike, but a good kind of average nevertheless ...

Why did KTM build the 1090 then?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 24, 2017, 08:38:03 am
I should probably just leave it, just now he runs to a mod again for hurting his feelings, but I canít resist :pot:

Heís a Honda rider. They donít have any feeling left. They are dead inside. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: MiniDan on November 24, 2017, 08:39:11 am
So the 790 is growing on me...

At first, that "praying mantis head" for a headlight put me off big time.  So now I'm wondering, that headspace is most likely for a roadbook or that's what it looks like to me. Thus when the production model does come out, what will be there?  Having the whole rally navigation setup for the average rider/commuter is serious overkill. (Please note that this is my personal opinion, so don't go getting all sensitive about it.) Even if you going to do longer trips, you're never in need of knowing every bloody turn...
Anyway I digress, what do you guys think will most likely be there?

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 08:42:40 am
This 790 is like the 950SE reincarnated.

Not a tourer, in the majority's definition of a tourer, and not a tech ride, in the majority's definition of a technically-able bike.

KTM is handing over the mantle for technically-able bikes to their subsidiary, Husqvarna, and they are going after BMW for sales with these porky's. :xxbah:

Hau Merrem, so youíre saying all this because KTM gave Husky the 690? A bit of a leap...

You must have a secret hotline to Mr Pierrer like some members have to their gods :lol8:

There is a possibility that KTM will bring out a big single again with a new platform - Just made sense to sell to 690 to Husky to make some space for Husky to enter in the DS scene and for KTM to focus on ďMAKING THR BEST BIKE EVER IN THE ENTIRE WORLDĒ :lol8:

Once that one is ticked off they might dabble again...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 08:43:38 am
I should probably just leave it, just now he runs to a mod again for hurting his feelings, but I canít resist :pot:

Heís a Honda rider. They donít have any feeling left. They are dead inside. :biggrin:

I just canned myself :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 08:45:29 am
So the 790 is growing on me...

At first, that "praying mantis head" for a headlight put me off big time.  So now I'm wondering, that headspace is most likely for a roadbook or that's what it looks like to me. Thus when the production model does come out, what will be there?  Having the whole rally navigation setup for the average rider/commuter is serious overkill. (Please note that this is my personal opinion, so don't go getting all sensitive about it.) Even if you going to do longer trips, you're never in need of knowing every bloody turn...
Anyway I digress, what do you guys think will most likely be there?

 :thumleft:

The TFT 1290SAR screen goodness will be going there!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 24, 2017, 08:48:12 am
I had a 690R.  Also had 300mm suspension.  Even so, the belly was pretty low, I always had to wind my stands lower to lift the bike.  Now, this looks even lower.  So, I'm guessing 250mm suspension travel at most.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 08:49:12 am
I was supposed to stay away from this thread, itís WAY too soon to be going ďfull-retardĒ on the 790 with a full year to go!

It sucked me in :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 08:50:11 am
So the 790 is growing on me...

At first, that "praying mantis head" for a headlight put me off big time.  So now I'm wondering, that headspace is most likely for a roadbook or that's what it looks like to me. Thus when the production model does come out, what will be there?  Having the whole rally navigation setup for the average rider/commuter is serious overkill. (Please note that this is my personal opinion, so don't go getting all sensitive about it.) Even if you going to do longer trips, you're never in need of knowing every bloody turn...
Anyway I digress, what do you guys think will most likely be there?

 :thumleft:

I believe there is going to be nothing there - which is a good thing because of weight saving. They will probably put the TFT display which - this being a KTM - will last until the first rain and then croak. My 690 instrument cluster died at about 3k km and now at about 15k km I already forgotten why anybody needs instrument cluster.

I sincerely do hope that this is going to be new SE with better and more consistent fuel consumption and therefore much improved range. Let's face it - what of the top long distance adv riding in Southern AFrica cannot be done comfortably on SE? Namaqualand, Richtersveld, Kaokoland, Damaraland, Bots cutlines - it is almost perfect tool for all of it. Yes, Road to Hell will be a bitch, but it is what - 3 km long and doable IMO even on this (assuming it is new SE with reasonably low weight - it may still turn out to be overweight pig).

For more focused technical trips, be it weekend dash to DeWildt or getting a heart attack on Lesotho cattle tracks I will always have something like KTM 500.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 08:51:58 am
I had a 690R.  Also had 300mm suspension.  Even so, the belly was pretty low, I always had to wind my stands lower to lift the bike.  Now, this looks even lower.  So, I'm guessing 250mm suspension travel at most.

Donít go saying stuff like that!

I would not be surprised to see 250mm though, they have to make it accessible to the shorties. Would be a shame to tame such a ďspecific riderĒ bike like that.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on November 24, 2017, 11:40:07 am
Damn KTM and damn this *&%$ 790...  :patch: :patch: :patch:

I had just about put a deposit down on that Yamaha T7 and now the Orange brigade have the cheek to bring something like this to the party... it's not fair, I'm torn apart  :'( :'(
Do I go for loyalty and (dare I say it) boring power or do I go for a life of risk and excitement? The age old wife & mistress quandary is playing out in my head  :-[ :o :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 24, 2017, 12:02:14 pm
The problem with these threads is that I see the 790 as a overweight tourer, while some see it as their answer to prayers.

It will never be a 690/701, but it seems like it could be a good option over something like BMW's GS800/850/925??, and perhaps even the T7.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 24, 2017, 12:05:51 pm
I already have a dirt bike and a 690. I want something that can tour but handle dirt better than the other soft options
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 24, 2017, 12:17:01 pm
Damn KTM and damn this *&%$ 790...  :patch: :patch: :patch:

I had just about put a deposit down on that Yamaha T7 and now the Orange brigade have the cheek to bring something like this to the party... it's not fair, I'm torn apart  :'( :'(
Do I go for loyalty and (dare I say it) boring power or do I go for a life of risk and excitement? The age old wife & mistress quandary is playing out in my head  :-[ :o :eek7:

Buff, when will this bike be available in SA(the Yamaha)?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 12:26:25 pm
The problem with these threads is that I see the 790 as a overweight tourer, while some see it as their answer to prayers.

It will never be a 690/701, but it seems like it could be a good option over something like BMW's GS800/850/925??, and perhaps even the T7.

That is your problem only. It doesn't and shouldn't be 701 as that bike is going nowhere (hopefully), so people can go for that one should it fits their needs better. I have 690 and should this 790 turn out to be pig will happily will stick with. There is no lightweight dirt worthy twin on the market. I think nobody with brain expects this bike to beat 690, leave alone KTM 500 (which I personally believe is the best current bike for you if you can look past your Yamaha obsession ) in technical terrain.

Assuming as you said this will turn out to be new SE, give us an example of long distance proper dirt trip where this bike would limit you seriously? Not dedicated rock climbing enduro trip where you are deliberately looking for as tough route as possible but typical long distance trip (which will usually have tons of sand, but not that much rocks).

Sure compared to 690 this will be overweight, but I - an average rider at best - will happily take it on my own through all the riverbeds in Kaokoland/Damaraland (again assuming it is light - i.e. less than 200 kg wet). I may battle a bit through the tricky sections on the VZP (and the road to it which is usually worse), but those are what - about 100 meters of length in total? Worst case scenarion I can walk it down and for the rest of the what - 1000 km loop - I will have a great time.

But yes, if Aprilia (or anybody else) can come up with reasonably reliable RXV550 twin, that would probably be my prefered choice to this.

And T7 - please, it is shaping up to be an overweight KLR or XT660Z, which will make lots of Yanks happy, so good target for Yamaha - as long as they keep it cheap. I don't mind 75 HP - perfectly fine. I don't like the lack of ambition and inovation in weight cutting. I'm sure they are going to use reliability/ruggedness excuse like with XT660Z - and yet there were number of XT660Z subframes that cracked from no obvious abuse, including mine. You can fanboy Yamaha as much as you want - I would bet that you will never even consider buying T7. Like you never did XT660Z.

And I don't like saying this - I really had my hopes high initially for T7 so that there is some choice, but realistically it is not going to happen. In the same way, this 790 may still turn to be a turd - we will see next year.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 24, 2017, 12:35:39 pm
Xpat, you are quite correct.

I seem to be one of a dying breed that will quite easily take my XT500/600/690/701 to a destination like Orange river Hell road and back from Stellenbosch, as a 2day trip.

Or the Swartberg/Meiringspoort 4x4 route from Stellenbosch as a one day trip. :ricky:

The BMW GS range started this obsessive belief that small bikes cannot do distance.

Softcocks.

Now tell me how fucking tough I am....... :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on November 24, 2017, 12:46:34 pm
Xpat, you are quite correct.

I seem to be one of a dying breed that will quite easily take my XT500/600/690/701 to a destination like Orange river Hell road and back from Stellenbosch, as a 2day trip.

Or the Swartberg/Meiringspoort 4x4 route from Stellenbosch as a one day trip. :ricky:

The BMW GS range started this obsessive belief that small bikes cannot do distance.

Softcocks.

Now tell me how fucking tough I am....... :pot:
A real Badass Dan, that is what you are. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 12:50:22 pm
Xpat, you are quite correct.

I seem to be one of a dying breed that will quite easily take my XT500/600/690/701 to a destination like Orange river Hell road and back from Stellenbosch, as a 2day trip.

Or the Swartberg/Meiringspoort 4x4 route from Stellenbosch as a one day trip. :ricky:

The BMW GS range started this obsessive belief that small bikes cannot do distance.

Softcocks.

Now tell me how fucking tough I am....... :pot:

You are very tough  :thumleft:

But I didn't say you cannot take small bike wherever you like - I myself use 690 as my long distance cruiser (though I would rather take 4 days from CT up to Orange river and back to enjoy it properly). I just don't get why are you getting negative about this bike - it clearly is not a single and clearly is not going to be in the weight class of XT600,701. I would fully support you if this bike would be peddled as replacment of 701 and that bike would be discontinued. But it is not (hopefully) - so you can continue enjoying 701 for your trips if you wish so, while other people who may be looking for newer SE or LC8 may enjoy 790 (hopefully - as I said it may still turn out to be overweight turd.)

Ironically it is Yamaha (and all other Japanese) who dropped people like you (and myself), discontinued all lightweight single options and followed the heavy weight BMW trend. KTM (or its subsidiary Husky) are the only ones who are still supporting single lightweight segment. And 790 hopefully will not change anything on that, so I think KTM deserves kudos for providing lightweight single as well as (hopefylly) reasonably lightweight twin.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 24, 2017, 12:53:25 pm
The Aprillia RXV had the right idea then they went and ruined it with a close ratio gearbox, no aftermarket tank support and the reliability of a Lada
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 24, 2017, 01:09:16 pm
Xpat, you are quite correct.

I seem to be one of a dying breed that will quite easily take my XT500/600/690/701 to a destination like Orange river Hell road and back from Stellenbosch, as a 2day trip.

Or the Swartberg/Meiringspoort 4x4 route from Stellenbosch as a one day trip. :ricky:

The BMW GS range started this obsessive belief that small bikes cannot do distance.

Softcocks.

Now tell me how fucking tough I am....... :pot:

You are very tough  :thumleft:

But I didn't say you cannot take small bike wherever you like - I myself use 690 as my long distance cruiser (though I would rather take 4 days from CT up to Orange river and back to enjoy it properly). I just don't get why are you getting negative about this bike - it clearly is not a single and clearly is not going to be in the weight class of XT600,701. I would fully support you if this bike would be peddled as replacment of 701 and that bike would be discontinued. But it is not (hopefully) - so you can continue enjoying 701 for your trips if you wish so, while other people who may be looking for newer SE or LC8 may enjoy 790 (hopefully - as I said it may still turn out to be overweight turd.)

Ironically it is Yamaha (and all other Japanese) who dropped people like you (and myself), discontinued all lightweight single options and followed the heavy weight BMW trend. KTM (or its subsidiary Husky) are the only ones who are still supporting single lightweight segment. And 790 hopefully will not change anything on that, so I think KTM deserves kudos for providing lightweight single as well as (hopefylly) reasonably lightweight twin.  :thumleft:

I do not know what the Japanese are up to, seems to be completely isolated from events. No 2stroke enduro's, except the 10 year old YZ250 2T, no lightweight adventures..... :'(

I am so disappointed in Yamaha, I'll sommer kak KTM out. :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 01:46:36 pm


I do not know what the Japanese are up to, seems to be completely isolated from events. No 2stroke enduro's, except the 10 year old YZ250 2T, no lightweight adventures..... :'(

I am so disappointed in Yamaha, I'll sommer kak KTM out. :ricky:


 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Despite apearances, I would like nothing more than if Japanese would commit seriously to the lightweight concept - be it single 600cc or twin. Imagine the choice that would bring to the market. The excuses used for not doing so is emissions (but then KTM/Husky still can do it) and market demand. While I'm sure most people prefer comfort over real dirt worthiness, it seems to me that the heavyweight travelling comfort market is very saturated with many offerings, so being leader in lighweight may give to - whoever attempts it - edge and lead in - admitedly smaller - but still IMO globaly sizeable market niche.

Another problem IMO is that people automatically equate engine size and price - i.e. the bigger the engine the more are they willing to pay. I for one (and I know Im minority) would be happy to pay GSA/1290 money for lightweight very dirtworthy 600 cc single/twin with great suspension, good range and some luggage carrying capability. But that would require mentality shift in the market and with manufacturers, as historically 600 singles were cheap ass rugged workhorses with cheap components that may run on one oil change for 30k km. And its probably never going to happen as I think that increasing health and safety requirements will see bikes or anything similar banned in the next 30 years.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: MiniDan on November 24, 2017, 02:09:53 pm
Xpat, you are quite correct.

I seem to be one of a dying breed that will quite easily take my XT500/600/690/701 to a destination like Orange river Hell road and back from Stellenbosch, as a 2day trip.

Or the Swartberg/Meiringspoort 4x4 route from Stellenbosch as a one day trip. :ricky:

The BMW GS range started this obsessive belief that small bikes cannot do distance.

Softcocks.

Now tell me how fucking tough I am....... :pot:

Kak!!! You're an old softy and emphasis is on the OLD!!!!

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kelevra on November 24, 2017, 02:23:06 pm
Don't know what you bunch are on about. For who exactly to you want them to build these light-weight super adventure go anywhere touring racers. Have you seen the youth of today- useless with no sense of adventure, and old people ride GS's. Maybe 10 or so people on this forum. A boy of maybe 10 years old burst out in tears when I started my bike outside of spar the other day FFS what happened.

PS The bike you want already exists Minxy is selling hers.....but here is the problem, you want it affordable (cheap) too
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on November 24, 2017, 03:38:33 pm
If all your riding buddies are on 650 singles then you will never need more.
Had an Xchallenge, Xcountry and now the 690 and they are plenty bike to go 120 on the highway and do all the dirt you could want. Itís when you have a 650 and the other guys have 800, 1000, 1200, 1300 twins where the rthe crap comes in. They want to cruise 160 on the highway or long stretches....you want to go explore oasis hues on the way there. You and your mates need to be on similar bikes for riding to work.

Also KTM is still selling the 690 in 2018 if you check on the parts and sales websites the 2018 is already listed. No change to the engine it seems. In some countries itís listed under Enduro and others under Adventure.

But yeah... Iíd like the 790 or 850gs probably over my 1200 just because of the 21Ē front so if Iím there with a pig, with people with other pigs, I can do the rougher or sandier sections easier.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 24, 2017, 03:54:19 pm
The Kriegsmarine are on their way...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 03:55:42 pm
If all your riding buddies are on 650 singles then you will never need more.
Had an Xchallenge, Xcountry and now the 690 and they are plenty bike to go 120 on the highway and do all the dirt you could want. Itís when you have a 650 and the other guys have 800, 1000, 1200, 1300 twins where the rthe crap comes in. They want to cruise 160 on the highway or long stretches....you want to go explore oasis hues on the way there. You and your mates need to be on similar bikes for riding to work.

Also KTM is still selling the 690 in 2018 if you check on the parts and sales websites the 2018 is already listed. No change to the engine it seems. In some countries itís listed under Enduro and others under Adventure.

But yeah... Iíd like the 790 or 850gs probably over my 1200 just because of the 21Ē front so if Iím there with a pig, with people with other pigs, I can do the rougher or sandier sections easier.

I have to say that this buddy riding concept is completely foreign to me - isnt bike riding supposed to be the ultimate individualistic endeavour, kind of like a cowboy riding into the sun or something?  :peepwall: :pot:

I don't even get the whole headset thingy where you talk to other people while you ride - for me riding is the ultimate me time and talking to other people just disturbs my zen and mindspace.

But that is me, I'm selfish bastard, and I consider solo riding way safer as I don't have to keep situational awareness of what others are doing, but rather can focus fully on mi ride. I'm willing to ride only with people where there is no codependency - everybody is big and ugly enough to take care of themselves if shit hits the fan, and if our riding preferences differ we just part ways and make our own way with no hard feelings. So I take zero consideration of what other people ride when chosing my bike - I look only for what fits my riding best.

Anyway - I'm way offtopic. Back to 790 then...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jpcussen on November 24, 2017, 05:52:23 pm
Yeah, small thumpers end up leaving everyone waiting while they hammer away on the tar at 120-140kmh, and then moan about it. Tar, is a necessary evil and is best put behind as fast as possible. I was considering the 690 at one point until we rode with one in the group and I realised that is a limitation of note.

For me, riding is a hobby best savoured with mates, the laughs, the memories, the dicing, learning and helping others - Riding alone for me has little appeal.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 24, 2017, 06:28:37 pm
Each to their own.

But to say that tar is necessary evil in SA is not correct in my experience. I'm pretty sure if people care they can always find nice dirt alternative anywhere in SA, but they usually just focus on collecting bucket lists instead of looking for the most interesting routes. I don't know CT (though I'm pretty sure I would be able to get to Orange river off tar along the west coast), but in Joburg people use that excuse that it is 1000 km of tar to Namibia. That is their choice, but indeed there is an obvious alternative that is dirt most of the way and runs on tracks that were raced in Amageza 2015.

So tar is a matter choice, not necessity in SA.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 24, 2017, 06:32:31 pm
Yeah, small thumpers end up leaving everyone waiting while they hammer away on the tar at 120-140kmh, and then moan about it. Tar, is a necessary evil and is best put behind as fast as possible. I was considering the 690 at one point until we rode with one in the group and I realised that is a limitation of note.

For me, riding is a hobby best savoured with mates, the laughs, the memories, the dicing, learning and helping others - Riding alone for me has little appeal.


You can savour your mates in a bar too. Nothing like a solo. Answer to no one except yourself.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 24, 2017, 06:44:28 pm
I REALLY like both :ricky:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 24, 2017, 06:48:48 pm
A 690 can do sustained 160 but you are going to get a little tired and youíll need some oil
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on November 24, 2017, 07:28:42 pm
I should probably just leave it, just now he runs to a mod again for hurting his feelings, but I canít resist :pot:

Heís a Honda rider. They donít have any feeling left. They are dead inside. :biggrin:

I just canned myself :lol8:

.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on November 25, 2017, 10:34:35 am
A 690 can do sustained 160 but you are going to get a little tired and youíll need some oil
That reads as a contradiction

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 25, 2017, 03:07:29 pm
My bike, the 701, is on standard gearing, and with perhaps exaggerated mechanical sympathy, I keep cruising speed capped at a max of 130 kmph.

It can cruise like this, purring along nicely, all day long.

Clearly, a 701 is then not going to work for someone wanting to cover tar distance at 160kmph or more.

Then this 790 will be better, but you pay the price with weight off-road.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Straatkat on November 25, 2017, 05:01:55 pm
Reading all these views, I think everyone needs a different bike for his preferred riding, some love a hardcore KTM500, other go with a 650 class bike, others again want something more cruise worthy, like a 790 or GS800, some like to ride alone, others enjoy groups, having said that I have been on a few trips with X-pat and we have yet to finish a ride together  :) :) which is fine. Personally I enjoy small groups, 2-4 riders, and have really enjoyed riding with X-pat, his dry sense of humour, and his immense experience is stuff I enjoy.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Panne on November 27, 2017, 10:55:47 am
Latest spy pic apparently!

http://www.carblogindia.com/ktm-790-adventure-spied/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dirtyXT on November 27, 2017, 11:01:54 am
looks good to me! will wait for the telling final specs before ordering one. a lot of excitement around this class.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 27, 2017, 11:10:24 am
.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 27, 2017, 11:20:42 am
Well we know we will need to pay extra for self cancelling flickers ......lol
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Panne on November 27, 2017, 11:25:30 am
Well we know we will need to pay extra for self cancelling flickers ......lol

Maybe it's standard like on the 1090 R :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 27, 2017, 12:51:38 pm
That belly is so low, the sidestand is almost touching the ground around a corner at 10 sec of the video.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on November 27, 2017, 01:04:55 pm
If only those tanks were 34 c and not 36 HH  ;)

But suppose they after range

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 27, 2017, 01:16:33 pm
That belly is so low, the sidestand is almost touching the ground around a corner at 10 sec of the video.

And he ran wide at 50 secs......handling not sorted? :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 27, 2017, 02:05:48 pm
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Wow that guy was just in the right place to take "spy videos"  :biggrin: Fookin KTM with their marketing hype, this bike will probably be released next year on black Friday  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 27, 2017, 02:15:32 pm
It almost looks like they have glued on some big blobs at the bottom in these "spy shots".  Kind of similar to putting tape on cars to not reveal the final shape until launch.  And yes, this "spy photographer" is damn good at choosing locations.  Almost as good as a spy in a TV series.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 27, 2017, 06:52:22 pm
It looks like a pregnant GS650! :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 27, 2017, 07:33:14 pm
It almost looks like they have glued on some big blobs at the bottom in these "spy shots".  Kind of similar to putting tape on cars to not reveal the final shape until launch.  And yes, this "spy photographer" is damn good at choosing locations.  Almost as good as a spy in a TV series.

Those blobs are low tanks ala LC8, not masking. Look at the prototype from EICMA for better view.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 28, 2017, 07:54:58 am
It almost looks like they have glued on some big blobs at the bottom in these "spy shots".  Kind of similar to putting tape on cars to not reveal the final shape until launch.  And yes, this "spy photographer" is damn good at choosing locations.  Almost as good as a spy in a TV series.

Those blobs are low tanks ala LC8, not masking. Look at the prototype from EICMA for better view.

I know that but it seems more pronounced on this video/photo but maybe it just looks like that with all the black around there.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 28, 2017, 08:54:55 am
Looks a 'lil low to me
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 28, 2017, 07:07:55 pm
Looks a 'lil low to me

Yup, another delivery bike! :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on November 28, 2017, 07:10:49 pm
I was hoping for the acceleration of a stabbed rat, the cornering ability of a house fly and the suspension, plush yet firm, of a porn stars breasts...and the grip of an eagle with cramp..
Let's see...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 28, 2017, 07:13:00 pm
But I must admit its one of the better looking delivery bikes out there! :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 28, 2017, 09:09:46 pm
But I must admit its one of the better looking delivery bikes out there! :lol8:
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Hey!

There will only ever be one true delivery bike >:D You canít just strip that title from ďthe oneĒ.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 28, 2017, 09:13:49 pm
But I must admit its one of the better looking delivery bikes out there! :lol8:
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Hey!

There will only ever be one true delivery bike >:D You canít just strip that title from ďthe oneĒ.

Sorry sorry, you are right, thousands of delivery guys can't be wrong! ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 28, 2017, 10:03:33 pm
I know of a certain business in Upington that has a 450RR as a delivery bike....
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 29, 2017, 06:35:08 am
I know of a certain business in Upington that has a 450RR as a delivery bike....

Huh?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 29, 2017, 07:07:53 am
I know of a certain business in Upington that has a 450RR as a delivery bike....

My wife needs more tax write offs for her business. I'm thinking 790 with a top box  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 29, 2017, 07:55:24 am
You need a delivery bike to be monotonously reliable, that is the point of a delivery, that it actually gets delivered.........on time.

I do not think KTM is quite there yet.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on November 29, 2017, 08:00:17 am
You need a delivery bike to be monotonously reliable, that is the point of a delivery, that it actually gets delivered.........on time.

I do not think KTM is quite there yet.

Who cares about reliability of a delivery bike when the boss rides it?  ;D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 29, 2017, 09:29:54 am
I know of a certain business in Upington that has a 450RR as a delivery bike....

Huh?

You heard me  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ChrisMann on November 29, 2017, 09:46:27 am
Ek moes hom roadworthy vir Amageza, toe dink wel dan kan hy mos deliveries ook doen...

Hy't nog nie een delivery gedoen nie, maar hy kan as dit moet.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 29, 2017, 10:03:39 am
Miskien n brief.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on November 29, 2017, 12:43:11 pm
No personal experience, but I've heard that those 450's really do deliver.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 29, 2017, 05:43:56 pm
Ek moes hom roadworthy vir Amageza, toe dink wel dan kan hy mos deliveries ook doen...

Hy't nog nie een delivery gedoen nie, maar hy kan as dit moet.  >:D

Gee bietjie jaar model en kmís en n paar kiekies man! Eks niskuurig
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on November 30, 2017, 10:23:52 am
I know of a certain business in Upington that has a 450RR as a delivery bike....

Huh?

You heard me  :imaposer:

We have a 701 in our busget for next year as a branded delivery bike with a removable top-box.
And the Sales Director gets to use it to run home & back after hours, weekends.....
 :eek7:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zacapa on December 01, 2017, 09:11:53 pm
I get a warm heart in the feeling that with every yearly tax return I am charging SARS  min.$ as a discount for my flotilla of bikes which may be put up in the fight against tax abuse.
But my costs keep rolling on. Need to get a 790 ADV soon to stay current after Zuma fucks-off to Zimbabwe.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on December 03, 2017, 01:05:28 pm
Just arriving in Wild Dog, here are my pictures from Milano in November

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rXdsbZxBWzc/WghlpccGVEI/AAAAAAAAu44/nROUWti6Qi8ANA_58bCJeE9LzPqErvKVgCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020372.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fYMsEhSDu1s/WghlrG0SDZI/AAAAAAAAu48/vXcRaRozOiUPmLiW5noBOaGx7W0fsLi9ACLcBGAs/s1600/P1020373.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OES8VodlsG8/WghlrepvcNI/AAAAAAAAu5A/FJlYTT_LNMwUdGq40V-Qhd8Nughz_yUlwCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020374.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KiSE6sy8Ks8/Wghlr3_5IYI/AAAAAAAAu5E/nZeD27DJnZ4xBA-zPqNaWF5zwwbuhTLvwCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020375.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UaNA6DCxEL8/Wghlt8Q7lnI/AAAAAAAAu5I/bLIH5TX0ZU4M0LpPYskl7qsk-RwCsBR_ACLcBGAs/s1600/P1020376.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-sinKpg33oYo/WghlumttQ-I/AAAAAAAAu5M/vSfSAIVERDs-lrStcwMvIa-ioria2RL0QCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020377.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VZpQc4LXP5s/WghlvB28-WI/AAAAAAAAu5Q/wDzh22W4Ui8kQGXgniTdqM6Xc02aNbE6ACLcBGAs/s1600/P1020378.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tlLali7bDvc/WghlyWVxwJI/AAAAAAAAu5g/5469IsoduQQDHsUDsFnxDoNkHZhkoQp3gCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020382.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E3LyTCGo9h8/Wghl01N2ZgI/AAAAAAAAu5o/QjPEJrDJ4sUqiG0nKRhXj7TUdAY0uE9MQCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020383.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fKMOuwOfmVQ/Wghl0pxs-9I/AAAAAAAAu5k/1BEMTpo8htQRkg-vm4f8zjxp269VnT1CwCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020384.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Wx-X2iTOdcM/Wghl1B5bt7I/AAAAAAAAu5s/sWE_KVMYRIAsqNigdzYVeyhJx45sUrbowCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020385.jpg)

and the new KTM for the Dakar

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-B2ZuGnSsqq0/WghlwEyZMsI/AAAAAAAAu5U/llnvHUeTfX8tDwaMHF1IcQXhTiCSSVMIACLcBGAs/s1600/P1020379.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9zaLiWQGw7c/Wghlx8F5L9I/AAAAAAAAu5c/zFOymqBr8qA8XWeUB1_cgt8mR09oyU0JACLcBGAs/s1600/P1020381.jpg)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 03, 2017, 01:30:19 pm
Just seen the gear change link ....eish
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 03, 2017, 02:20:51 pm
Damnit......thanks for those pics...
I was seriously considering trading the LC on a new 850GS but the more I look at this, the more it speaks to me.
Knowing what I know about my 690, if this has the same DNA.....well......  :headbang:
It will be at least 2 years away though  :-\
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on December 03, 2017, 02:46:41 pm
Omninorm,
I was like you. GS to F850 but the weight of the new BMW is too much (only 15kg less than a GS R)


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CmVTLRF5fuI/WghmDgpwuCI/AAAAAAAAu7A/KfIjSE-BSl8JKyBNurSVLLUusmETXZTrQCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020408.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 03, 2017, 06:47:38 pm
Those girls are sitting on the BMW's.

Wait till Motorrad agents see them, they should be standing on those pegs. >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: plonker on December 03, 2017, 07:14:11 pm
For those who were hoping for a mini 1090R that you could jump on and ride all day...............not. Just like a 690 it will rattle your fillings out. A play bike for Sundays nothing more. :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 04, 2017, 09:16:26 am
For those who were hoping for a mini 1090R that you could jump on and ride all day...............not. Just like a 690 it will rattle your fillings out. A play bike for Sundays nothing more. :xxbah:


:scratch:

Firstly, I can sit on the 690 all day long. Second, are you maybe talking about the 640? For a Thumber the 690 is very smooth.
Thirdly, this is a Twin...... comparing it to a thumper is like comparing an apple to an orange.
It will be super smooth.

Omninorm,
I was like you. GS to F850 but the weight of the new BMW is too much (only 15kg less than a GS R)


(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CmVTLRF5fuI/WghmDgpwuCI/AAAAAAAAu7A/KfIjSE-BSl8JKyBNurSVLLUusmETXZTrQCLcBGAs/s1600/P1020408.jpg)

Yeah for the riding I'll do with these the little weight saving is good and the 21" front and conventional forks is what I'd like.  I have my 690 Enduro still so use that for the trips into the dirt. This will be for all the other long distance stuff and commuting every day etc. Very very happy with the LC.... just think this will be a bit nicer perhaps.
But yeah... maybe not worth it. I'll see. Gotta go test ride the 850GS and the 1090R  :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on December 04, 2017, 09:26:04 am
whose idea was it to place the fuel tanks down low next to the engine? Those are tanks, right? if the bike goes down, the tanks take a big hit. Anybody knows more?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 04, 2017, 09:30:28 am
whose idea was it to place the fuel tanks down low next to the engine? Those are tanks, right? if the bike goes down, the tanks take a big hit. Anybody knows more?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217106.msg3944669#msg3944669

They do this on the Dakar 450 as well. I'm sure if it's fine for those, it' ill be fine for the 790. OBVIOUSLY they thought of this and made it strong enough and protected enough so it wont be a issue in any normal crash.

If that is polycarbonate then you wont need any crashbars on that - the skidplate will be strong enough to survive multiple falls and crashes etc.
imho it's an excellently thought out design. Lots of fuel, low down and centered and ads great protection without one to go add scaffolding to your bike.


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on December 04, 2017, 09:49:53 am
whose idea was it to place the fuel tanks down low next to the engine? Those are tanks, right? if the bike goes down, the tanks take a big hit. Anybody knows more?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217106.msg3944669#msg3944669

They do this on the Dakar 450 as well. I'm sure if it's fine for those, it' ill be fine for the 790. OBVIOUSLY they thought of this and made it strong enough and protected enough so it wont be a issue in any normal crash.

If that is polycarbonate then you wont need any crashbars on that - the skidplate will be strong enough to survive multiple falls and crashes etc.
imho it's an excellently thought out design. Lots of fuel, low down and centered and ads great protection without one to go add scaffolding to your bike.

Yeah, I assume they will test this properly. but in reality, sometimes they don't rest thing over a long enough period.  I hope for them there are no accounts of the tanks failing under impact during an off
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 04, 2017, 05:43:14 pm
For those who were hoping for a mini 1090R that you could jump on and ride all day...............not. Just like a 690 it will rattle your fillings out. A play bike for Sundays nothing more. :xxbah:

Sorry but an ill-formed  plonker comment.  :o . I am not the first born of the KTM fanboy club but have followed the R&D of this scoot closely and it will neither rattle or be a BMW 650.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on December 04, 2017, 05:52:02 pm
For those who were hoping for a mini 1090R that you could jump on and ride all day...............not. Just like a 690 it will rattle your fillings out. A play bike for Sundays nothing more. :xxbah:

Huh?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 05, 2017, 09:02:08 am
A 450RR's tanks will quite easily hole; just ask Willem du Toit.  KTM tend to not sweat the small stuff - if you don't want to damage the tanks, don't crash on it.  I like that approach.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 05, 2017, 10:15:38 am
A 450RR's tanks will quite easily hole; just ask Willem du Toit.  KTM tend to not sweat the small stuff - if you don't want to damage the tanks, don't crash on it.  I like that approach.

Ja baas.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 05, 2017, 11:02:08 am
Sarcasm?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 05, 2017, 01:24:17 pm
If you consider how many BMW 1200GS valve covers and heads were broken by impact in the pre-crashbar days, then these 790 tanks is a bad idea.

Fitting crashbars would make the 790 as wide as a Hyundai i10.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Archangel on December 05, 2017, 02:14:01 pm
If you consider how many BMW 1200GS valve covers and heads were broken by impact in the pre-crashbar days, then these 790 tanks is a bad idea.

Fitting crashbars would make the 790 as wide as a Hyundai i10.

But still narrower than a standard GS.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 05, 2017, 02:34:01 pm
If you consider how many BMW 1200GS valve covers and heads were broken by impact in the pre-crashbar days, then these 790 tanks is a bad idea.

Fitting crashbars would make the 790 as wide as a Hyundai i10.

Won't need crashbars with the bit that's probably going to be polycarb at the bottom.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 05, 2017, 02:36:26 pm
If you consider how many BMW 1200GS valve covers and heads were broken by impact in the pre-crashbar days, then these 790 tanks is a bad idea.

Fitting crashbars would make the 790 as wide as a Hyundai i10.

But still narrower than a standard GS.  :biggrin:

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 05, 2017, 02:38:08 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on December 05, 2017, 04:12:49 pm
Reminds me of a 950 with the fairings removed .........maybe the 'real' adventure bike will have fairings fitted.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on December 05, 2017, 04:17:03 pm
Reminds me of a 950 with the fairings removed .........maybe the 'real' adventure bike will have fairings fitted.

Funny, I thought that, the 950 is broad down at the bottom too.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 05, 2017, 10:08:59 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on December 05, 2017, 10:12:57 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.

Sound logic :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 06, 2017, 10:00:48 am
Ja, maar die 300 ouens wat in die klippe ry, sit daai hokke om die expansion pyp.  Lyk soos daai cage girls wat mens altyd in die van Damme moewies sien.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 07, 2017, 09:26:37 am
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.

Exactly.
Thats my point Dan, this bike won't need them either.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: weskus on December 07, 2017, 04:23:52 pm
Ek like wat ek sien. Ek kan net dink dit sal teen 'n redelike price'tag kom. Ek hou ook nie van die klomp diefwering wat deesdae op al die adv bikes is nie..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 08, 2017, 10:21:16 am
Ek like wat ek sien. Ek kan net dink dit sal teen 'n redelike price'tag kom. Ek hou ook nie van die klomp diefwering wat deesdae op al die adv bikes is nie..

Dit kan nie meer kos as die 1090 R nie (ok neem in ag inflasie tot en met 2019), en ek dink ook nie meer as die dan 850GS nie. So ek dink nie dit gaan te erg geprys wees as mens nou relatief na dit kyk nie.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on December 08, 2017, 12:11:21 pm
Ek like wat ek sien. Ek kan net dink dit sal teen 'n redelike price'tag kom. Ek hou ook nie van die klomp diefwering wat deesdae op al die adv bikes is nie..

Dit kan nie meer kos as die 1090 R nie (ok neem in ag inflasie tot en met 2019), en ek dink ook nie meer as die dan 850GS nie. So ek dink nie dit gaan te erg geprys wees as mens nou relatief na dit kyk nie.

Ek dink hy gaan dieselfse prys as die 1090 wees, ek vermoed ook hy gaan die 1090 vervang.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 08, 2017, 12:19:46 pm
Ek like wat ek sien. Ek kan net dink dit sal teen 'n redelike price'tag kom. Ek hou ook nie van die klomp diefwering wat deesdae op al die adv bikes is nie..

Dit kan nie meer kos as die 1090 R nie (ok neem in ag inflasie tot en met 2019), en ek dink ook nie meer as die dan 850GS nie. So ek dink nie dit gaan te erg geprys wees as mens nou relatief na dit kyk nie.

Ek dink hy gaan dieselfse prys as die 1090 wees, ek vermoed ook hy gaan die 1090 vervang.

Dit kan dalk gebeur ja.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on December 08, 2017, 01:25:25 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.
more R1150GSAís got written off due to crashbars than to any other reason, I have never had bars on my 1150  and have had zero issues. Bars slide, then dig in and the bike barrel rolls, write off, ask Toucan. Pots slide and slide and slide. With you dan, bars protect when you fall over in a car park.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 08, 2017, 01:39:06 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.
more R1150GSAís got written off due to crashbars than to any other reason, I have never had bars on my 1150  and have had zero issues. Bars slide, then dig in and the bike barrel rolls, write off, ask Toucan. Pots slide and slide and slide. With you dan, bars protect when you fall over in a car park.

Interesting.
I also don't like them and opted to rather go for the Machine Art Moto sliders.
And guess what...it's polycarbon as well. This can survive a slide i reckon. For the plastics...meh one can just get other ones, glue them or leave them. :D
Luckily I haven't had a tst of them yet but seen videos and people's bikes who did and they could continue the ride.

Here they are on my bike - black covers on the pods
(https://i.imgur.com/CUFRUW7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/9fhBp7k.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 08, 2017, 05:08:44 pm
Ja, maar die 300 ouens wat in die klippe ry, sit daai hokke om die expansion pyp.  Lyk soos daai cage girls wat mens altyd in die van Damme moewies sien.

So sexy? :thumleft:

Onthou daai 300's ry waar n bobbejaan met n kierie moet loop.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 08, 2017, 05:13:08 pm
Funny to see you reccomend the 850GS above the 790 Adventure Dan. It has the crashbars and everything for you from the showroom floor.
Glad you are coming around these days. ;)

Dan as I understand it you never had crashbars on your 690/er...701 either and the bike is fine right? Underseat tank and all.

I only once ever recommended a BMW to anyone.......as ships anchor to a boat captain. :xxbah:

I do not like crashbars, it's a motorcycle not a pypkar. You don't see crashbars on Enduro 300's and I'd say they need them more where they ride.

Exactly.
Thats my point Dan, this bike won't need them either.

A year or 5 ago, doing camera work for a bicycle event on the motorcycles, I was riding behind Zool Holl on his HP2. We were going along a footpath along a steep slope, when one of the Beemers pods caught a hidden-from-view cut off treestump throwing both Zool and cameraman down the steep side of the slope.

It just seem to me that this 790's width low-down could present this type of obstacle.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 08, 2017, 09:05:25 pm
I have to agree with some concern. The frontal photo from the show in this thread does show the low protuberances extending further than the upper tank - they will gets klapped in tight stuff for sure ... and I say this having owned a string of boxers. Maybe a bit more ground clearance will help? Anyway look at it in comparison with the F800 (yes I know will be no competition  >:D)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on December 08, 2017, 09:35:54 pm
How wide do you think it is conpared to a 450Rally Replica?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 08, 2017, 11:26:41 pm
How wide do you think it is conpared to a 450Rally Replica?

Looks like at least twice the width.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on December 09, 2017, 12:14:36 am
Dan if the pods hit he was going to hit it with the footpegs anyway on most bikes. I'm not saying it's not an issue. It can be. But the issues are actually not an issue. There are only a few scenarios where it will be at all a problem. Maybe a slight inconvenience.

Basically you guys aren't going to take out the sexiest girl you meet at the party because she has non-matching socks on.
Your loss.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 05:55:00 am
How wide do you think it is conpared to a 450Rally Replica?

Difficult to say but does appear wider. RR has a rear tank as well the 790 is squeezing more up front imo.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 06:01:07 am
Dan if the pods hit he was going to hit it with the footpegs anyway on most bikes. I'm not saying it's not an issue. It can be. But the issues are actually not an issue. There are only a few scenarios where it will be at all a problem. Maybe a slight inconvenience.

Basically you guys aren't going to take out the sexiest girl you meet at the party because she has non-matching socks on.
Your loss.  :biggrin:

I can whip the socks (and other haberdashery) off a date relatively easily but not sure about rally type tanks ....  :imaposer:

PS I am not saying it is a deal breaker at this stage - just thinking out loud ... for a friend  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rascal on December 09, 2017, 06:24:21 am
No concern. Sure the aftermarket guys will jump on the occation to build proper protection for the bike.

Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 06:56:27 am
No concern. Sure the aftermarket guys will jump on the occation to build proper protection for the bike.

Sent from my GT-I9500 using Tapatalk

Problem would be that it will just become bulkier in that region. The 'protruding pods' are already carbon protection.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 09, 2017, 07:05:52 am
Dan if the pods hit he was going to hit it with the footpegs anyway on most bikes. I'm not saying it's not an issue. It can be. But the issues are actually not an issue. There are only a few scenarios where it will be at all a problem. Maybe a slight inconvenience.

Basically you guys aren't going to take out the sexiest girl you meet at the party because she has non-matching socks on.
Your loss.  :biggrin:

Footpegs are foldable.

That is an area in which an adventure bike should be lean as possible.

It;s not non-matching socks, you're talking about a girl with seriously bulging hips here :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 09, 2017, 08:19:20 am
Some would say it's for foot protection :)

I still don't like the look at all.


 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 08:44:21 am

[/quote]

Footpegs are foldable.

That is an area in which an adventure bike should be lean as possible.

It;s not non-matching socks, you're talking about a girl with seriously bulging hips here :eek7: :eek7:
[/quote]

More like elephantiasis  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 09, 2017, 08:51:57 am
Rally bikes could be a lot slimmer but they are regulated to carry emergency water so that "tank" is also placed low down and protected by skid plate

(http://enduro21.com/images/racing/2016/11._November/Rally/First_Look_-_Toby_Prices_2017_KTM_Dakar_Rally_Bike/160337_Toby_Price_KTM_450_RALLY_2016.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Die Malletjie on December 09, 2017, 08:52:35 am
It looks like 19 inch front wheel!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 09, 2017, 08:52:41 am
(http://enduro21.com/images/racing/2016/11._November/Rally/First_Look_-_Toby_Prices_2017_KTM_Dakar_Rally_Bike/160335_Toby_Price_KTM_450_RALLY_2016.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 08:56:25 am
Rally bikes could be a lot slimmer but they are regulated to carry emergency water so that "tank" is also placed low down and protected by skid plate

(http://enduro21.com/images/racing/2016/11._November/Rally/First_Look_-_Toby_Prices_2017_KTM_Dakar_Rally_Bike/160337_Toby_Price_KTM_450_RALLY_2016.jpg)

Also they race mostly open terrain.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 08:56:54 am
It looks like 19 inch front wheel!

 :o No ways.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 09, 2017, 09:02:04 am
(http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/italrally/Bild6.png)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 10:01:00 am
Ok so KTM R&D are evidently eliciting feedback since EICMA and are "looking at the bulbous tanks".

Also to get guys going it has a cable clutch - should make the AT boys happy  :biggrin:  Saving money? Also No linkage suspension, no Brembo brakes. Oh and gearbox is going to be one up and 5 down.  ;D

Has this been posted here yet?

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Boerbok on December 09, 2017, 10:10:06 am

Quote

Footpegs are foldable.

That is an area in which an adventure bike should be lean as possible.

It;s not non-matching socks, you're talking about a girl with seriously bulging hips here :eek7: :eek7:

More like elephantiasis  :imaposer:

The face is also not an oil painting, even if you ignore the disturbing protruding alien-like head....  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 09, 2017, 10:25:11 am
Gearchange pattern one-up-5-down???

Roadracer? :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 09, 2017, 10:41:43 am
Gearchange pattern one-up-5-down???

Roadracer? :eek7:

Well motor comes from this beast


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 11:42:44 am
Gearchange pattern one-up-5-down???

Roadracer? :eek7:

That is what the Duke has as I understand and quickshifter, along with the slipper clutch, but look may well change it for the ADV. Also lean-angle-detecting traction control, cornering ABS, wheelie control - 4 mode settings etc. A beast, ja.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 09, 2017, 11:59:48 am
I am guessing there will be two or three models - at least a R and S so hopefully one can decent suspension and brakes and not too much weight added. If the Duke is 169 Dry 189 wet hopefully the extra size fuel tank etc does not add more than 12 -15 kg. Time will tell and things will change some - as with the Duke expect it to debut at EICMA 2018, on floors 2019. Tick-Tock :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on December 09, 2017, 02:14:20 pm
Cool having a race track with a racing line painted onto the surface  ;D Must feel a bit like a Playstation game riding around there.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 09, 2017, 04:57:13 pm
I used to race a 690 in the days when Amageza required 2 liters of water in the bashplates. That gave exactly the same shape as these 790 pics show.  It would last maybe 2 days.  I had a spare slimline aluminuim bashplate in my trommel which I would then fit.  Each year I had to build a new one just to past scrutineering.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 10, 2017, 08:21:25 am
I am guessing there will be two or three models - at least a R and S so hopefully one can decent suspension and brakes and not too much weight added. If the Duke is 169 Dry 189 wet hopefully the extra size fuel tank etc does not add more than 12 -15 kg. Time will tell and things will change some - as with the Duke expect it to debut at EICMA 2018, on floors 2019. Tick-Tock :ricky:

The 'bulbous boobies' do not look so bad here actually ...  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 10, 2017, 08:35:53 am
It does look better on that last shot, I am just worried about anything sticking out at the level for good reason.

A couple of times we have had rear brake/gearchange levers bent on rocks, the last time was me and StrokeHer going through the Orange river trail from Vioolsdrif to

Klein Pella, when sand derailed Andre, and a rock ripped the rear brake's master cylinder piston right out of the cylinder. 

This sort of impact on "rock" hard and unflexible rock could rip open even the strongest fuel tank. >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on December 10, 2017, 09:55:34 am
It does look better on that last shot, I am just worried about anything sticking out at the level for good reason.

A couple of times we have had rear brake/gearchange levers bent on rocks, the last time was me and StrokeHer going through the Orange river trail from Vioolsdrif to

Klein Pella, when sand derailed Andre, and a rock ripped the rear brake's master cylinder piston right out of the cylinder. 

This sort of impact on "rock" hard and unflexible rock could rip open even the strongest fuel tank. >:D

yeah.. i am not convinced

there are other places to put the fuel to lower COG
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 10, 2017, 10:11:00 am
Does seem a pity when you see how slim that engine is in the Duke - I guess they may still work on it but clearly some tooling has been done for the tank already. Also a tank with low lobes like that hinders getting at the engine without stripping lots off ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on December 10, 2017, 10:27:25 am
Does seem a pity when you see how slim that engine is in the Duke - I guess they may still work on it but clearly some tooling has been done for the tank already. Also a tank with low lobes like that hinders getting at the engine without stripping lots off ...

I think Yamaha needs to bring out a MT-09 adventure bike. is this on the cards? a shame that the adventure bike is seemingly always heavier than the road version. road versions can hit just below 200kg wet. I really like the MT-09 tracer, that engine just needs to be tuned for torque but keep it below 210kg!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on December 10, 2017, 10:50:52 am
Does seem a pity when you see how slim that engine is in the Duke - I guess they may still work on it but clearly some tooling has been done for the tank already. Also a tank with low lobes like that hinders getting at the engine without stripping lots off ...

I think Yamaha needs to bring out a MT-09 adventure bike. is this on the cards? a shame that the adventure bike is seemingly always heavier than the road version. road versions can hit just below 200kg wet. I really like the MT-09 tracer, that engine just needs to be tuned for torque but keep it below 210kg!

I for one wouldnt touch tripple with its road ridding characteristics for off tar riding - and seeing that you ride 1150 i have a hunch you wouldnt like it either.

I have ridden in august tracer 07 for two weeks through alps and then followed it with another two weeks on tracer 09. After 20 km on 09 i called the rental company and asked if i can swap for 07. They didnt have one available, so i was stuck with 09 and after a week got the hang of it. Yet, i cannot explain fully how much more fun 07 with crappy suspension and cheap components was.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 10, 2017, 01:44:20 pm
Does seem a pity when you see how slim that engine is in the Duke - I guess they may still work on it but clearly some tooling has been done for the tank already. Also a tank with low lobes like that hinders getting at the engine without stripping lots off ...

I think Yamaha needs to bring out a MT-09 adventure bike. is this on the cards? a shame that the adventure bike is seemingly always heavier than the road version. road versions can hit just below 200kg wet. I really like the MT-09 tracer, that engine just needs to be tuned for torque but keep it below 210kg!

I think it is going to be a fatty. Not sure why they are dragging their feet but the Japs do test properly before going to market. No good reason why a DS bike under 800cc needs to be over 200kg  :o  A 690 is 150kg wet - even a twin with 100cc more displacement does not need another 50kg of lard!!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on December 11, 2017, 08:55:15 am
Does seem a pity when you see how slim that engine is in the Duke - I guess they may still work on it but clearly some tooling has been done for the tank already. Also a tank with low lobes like that hinders getting at the engine without stripping lots off ...

I think Yamaha needs to bring out a MT-09 adventure bike. is this on the cards? a shame that the adventure bike is seemingly always heavier than the road version. road versions can hit just below 200kg wet. I really like the MT-09 tracer, that engine just needs to be tuned for torque but keep it below 210kg!

I think it is going to be a fatty. Not sure why they are dragging their feet but the Japs do test properly before going to market. No good reason why a DS bike under 800cc needs to be over 200kg  :o  A 690 is 150kg wet - even a twin with 100cc more displacement does not need another 50kg of lard!!

Always been my argument - add another 20kgs and you have a R1200GS, which is a great touring bike, but as far as a light DS bike..... Not so much....
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buddy on December 11, 2017, 12:38:38 pm

I think it looks ugly.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 11, 2017, 12:45:02 pm

I think it looks ugly.

Not much one can say to that :laughing4:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on December 11, 2017, 01:52:38 pm
I like it.

Bear in mind, most riders of our age are 20-30kg overweight  :sip:

So an extra 20-30kg in a bike becomes non-consequential.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on December 12, 2017, 11:57:13 am
Pricing looks like it's going to be super competitive for the Duke at least

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/ktm-790-duke-price/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 12, 2017, 12:25:10 pm
Is it just me or is that tail end screaming for a twin silencer :)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-KTM-790-Duke-59.jpg?resize=635%2C953&ssl=1)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 12, 2017, 12:43:10 pm
Out of fashion again? Extra weight?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 12, 2017, 12:47:49 pm
Will have to wait for Akrapovic to make them out of un op tanium and charge 1 billion shillings  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 12, 2017, 01:08:55 pm
Will have to wait for Akrapovic to make them out of un op tanium and charge 1 billion shillings  :imaposer:

And if I am not mistaken KTM now own Akro - need to leave some room for farkles and Powerparts  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on December 12, 2017, 01:15:07 pm
Coming soon to a dealer near you

(https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/HTsAAOSwTO9aD~K-/s-l1600.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 12, 2017, 04:56:01 pm
 :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pistonpete on December 12, 2017, 05:25:22 pm
Go ahead...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jpcussen on January 06, 2018, 10:01:13 am
Is it just me or is that tail end screaming for a twin silencer :)

(https://i0.wp.com/www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2018-KTM-790-Duke-59.jpg?resize=635%2C953&ssl=1)

Fo Sho!! Would look awesome
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: landieman on January 06, 2018, 05:17:23 pm
a pipe coming out under the ass would look much better though,like in the video
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on January 07, 2018, 12:51:11 pm
Ja but then got tail light and heat problem
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2018, 02:01:15 pm
Ja but then got tail light and heat problem

And it raises the COG significantly...... :snorting:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Beethoven on January 07, 2018, 03:58:37 pm
Ja but then got tail light and heat problem

And it raises the COG significantly...... :snorting:

 O0
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on January 07, 2018, 05:09:59 pm
Ja but then got tail light and heat problem

And it raises the COG significantly...... :snorting:

Only raising it will do is the pillion passengers ass temp
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zacapa on January 07, 2018, 06:56:41 pm
Get this. Some ous are considering a pipe as in a slip-on Akro that hasn't come out yet for a bike that does not officially exist yet. OK - I get it. We are all waiting in fucking anticipation for what may happen in the future..............
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2018, 07:00:38 pm
Ja but then got tail light and heat problem

And it raises the COG significantly...... :snorting:

Only raising it will do is the pillion passengers ass temp

Yes, and the passenger will lift his/her ass up from the heatsource, and the COG goes up even more. :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on January 08, 2018, 07:24:30 am
Get this. Some ous are considering a pipe as in a slip-on Akro that hasn't come out yet for a bike that does not officially exist yet. OK - I get it. We are all waiting in fucking anticipation for what may happen in the future..............

Scapel rear end we talking about :)

(https://www.revzilla.com/blog_content_image/image/46704/207313_KTM_790_DUKE_MY_2018.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Toors on February 27, 2018, 08:41:01 am
Well my name is number 2 on the waiting list.....  but seemingly going to be a long wait - only sometime seconds half next year apparently
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Grumpleton on February 27, 2018, 06:30:23 pm
I`LL WAIT  :'(.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on February 27, 2018, 07:57:54 pm
By the Time it hits the Street I'll be 65, it looks like the MG V85 will be in my Sights.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on March 01, 2018, 11:03:01 am
Eish that been hit with ugly stick

(https://cdn.rideapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017-moto-guzzi-concept-v85-enduro-3-770x512.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buddy on March 01, 2018, 12:00:14 pm

Still better than a 310GS
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on March 01, 2018, 12:25:03 pm

Still better than a 310GS
Shots fired
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 01, 2018, 01:11:36 pm


Quote from: cocky on Today at 12:25:03 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217106.msg4012171#msg4012171)


>Quote from: Buddy on Today at 12:00:14 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=217106.msg4012136#msg4012136)

Still better than a 310GS


Shots fired
:pain10:  !



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 01, 2018, 01:51:57 pm
 :imaposer:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on March 01, 2018, 06:40:27 pm
Eish that been hit with ugly stick

(https://cdn.rideapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017-moto-guzzi-concept-v85-enduro-3-770x512.jpg)
In that Case we'll be a perfect Match. ;D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 01, 2018, 08:19:42 pm
This barn door should not be anywhere near this thread  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2018, 08:44:04 pm
Especially with that "perky Boxer' of an engine.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buddy on March 03, 2018, 11:12:15 pm
Love the trellis carrier, and the "lady satisfaction hump" on the rear seat  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on March 04, 2018, 06:22:39 pm
Love the trellis carrier, and the "lady satisfaction hump" on the rear seat  8)
:thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: plonker on March 04, 2018, 07:41:36 pm
H'mmmm sure that hump is not for those naughty Itie boys on the front. :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: landieman on March 05, 2018, 07:53:11 am
I think it looks cool
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on March 05, 2018, 02:19:52 pm
Nee *ok

Back on topic please :)

(http://www.advpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/ktm-790-adventure-r-prototype-1.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 05, 2018, 02:31:56 pm
Agreed  :ricky:  Mooi!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Sabre on March 05, 2018, 08:40:30 pm
Eish that been hit with ugly stick

(https://cdn.rideapart.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/2017-moto-guzzi-concept-v85-enduro-3-770x512.jpg)

Any idea about availability in SA ?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offshore on March 05, 2018, 08:44:17 pm
At the Moment Concept only but you can bet your Arse that it is coming to SA. It is a Reality. :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on March 06, 2018, 12:38:21 pm
So the press launch has happened and rather shocked that this bike makes "A new 799cc LC8c (Ďcí for Ďcompactí) motor is the Austrian firmís first parallel twin. Itís pared to the bone and impossibly small. How such a tiny lump of metal, with bits whizzing around inside, can produce such grunt (64ftlb of torque) and free-revving power (105bhp) is astonishing. Crammed with forged this, lightweight that and DLC-coated the other, the racy, but refined motor looks no bigger than a single"
And the whole world is going on about the AT that makes 95 BHP??????






https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/ktm-790-duke/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on March 06, 2018, 12:49:57 pm
790 press launch is currently on by the looks of it.

Guy in the video says "Full article and video available by Wednesday"

Quick facts video:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on March 06, 2018, 12:58:06 pm
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on March 06, 2018, 01:18:19 pm
Can't wait to try it in adventure R spec :)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 06, 2018, 01:54:04 pm
Non adjustable forks - WTF?


Powerplant seems awesome.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on March 06, 2018, 02:11:07 pm
Can see someone shoe horning that motor into one of these.

(https://transmoto.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/xKTM-450-RALLY_KTM-790-ADVENTURE-R-Prototype_EICMA-2017.jpg.pagespeed.ic.8WSaqYChGE.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 06, 2018, 03:57:42 pm
Ja KTM seem to like the comparison or at least hope some sexy will rub off ... not the 790 prototype in the background ....  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on March 07, 2018, 07:05:30 am
The price sounds very promising.  8,500 British pounds equates to R 140,000 and considering that new bike prices are generally higher in the UK than here it may well end up being a very affordable new bike.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2018, 07:31:12 am
So the press launch has happened and rather shocked that this bike makes "A new 799cc LC8c (Ďcí for Ďcompactí) motor is the Austrian firmís first parallel twin. Itís pared to the bone and impossibly small. How such a tiny lump of metal, with bits whizzing around inside, can produce such grunt (64ftlb of torque) and free-revving power (105bhp) is astonishing. Crammed with forged this, lightweight that and DLC-coated the other, the racy, but refined motor looks no bigger than a single"
And the whole world is going on about the AT that makes 95 BHP??????






https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/ktm-790-duke/

No one is going on about the AT's 95HP, but because it is a D/S bike with Japanese reliability.

It sounds like the "pared to the bone" 790 engine has been well, just that pared to the bone. I hope reliability is not as suspect as some KTM models.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on March 07, 2018, 08:04:32 am
So the press launch has happened and rather shocked that this bike makes "A new 799cc LC8c (Ďcí for Ďcompactí) motor is the Austrian firmís first parallel twin. Itís pared to the bone and impossibly small. How such a tiny lump of metal, with bits whizzing around inside, can produce such grunt (64ftlb of torque) and free-revving power (105bhp) is astonishing. Crammed with forged this, lightweight that and DLC-coated the other, the racy, but refined motor looks no bigger than a single"
And the whole world is going on about the AT that makes 95 BHP??????






https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2017/november/ktm-790-duke/

No one is going on about the AT's 95HP, but because it is a D/S bike with Japanese reliability.

It sounds like the "pared to the bone" 790 engine has been well, just that pared to the bone. I hope reliability is not as suspect as some KTM models.
Dan, I have been reading of late, on this forum and FB, about how great the AT's motor is and what a great power curve it has etc etc - it seems the AT has become the new GS, average bike for average people. The point I'm making is that in a 790 version it makes more than the much vaunted AT's 1000 engine.
I am with you on the reliability story, according to the press stories many thousands of kilometers were done with the new engines, seeing as it will become the standard small motor for KTM. We live in hope.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on March 07, 2018, 08:08:03 am
Article in some other language but google does a decent job of translating: https://www.testmotor.nl/2018/test-2018-ktm-790-duke

Man it sounds fantastic with the stock pipe! Article also said it sounds better with stock vs Arca

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on March 07, 2018, 08:11:53 am
Article in some other language but google does a decent job of translating: https://www.testmotor.nl/2018/test-2018-ktm-790-duke

Man it sounds fantastic with the stock pipe! Article also said it sounds better with stock vs Arca


Met n Akro gaan daai ding darem erg mooi klink
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on March 07, 2018, 11:37:02 am
Article in some other language but google does a decent job of translating: https://www.testmotor.nl/2018/test-2018-ktm-790-duke

Man it sounds fantastic with the stock pipe! Article also said it sounds better with stock vs Arca








The Adventure is going to be a stonking bike!

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 12:00:11 pm
Ja if the Duke is anything to go on. I await in an .. tici...pation  :ricky: :ricky: 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: mikelawry on March 07, 2018, 12:46:47 pm
I Am sure this has been queries before on this thread somewhere , any expected time on arrival in SA  ? how long after duke ? and Can one Pre order at KTM dealers already ?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buddy on March 07, 2018, 12:55:43 pm

I, would rather buy this than the GS310 even though it's got an ugly face. But it must be made in Austria, otherwise I'd rather have the Yamaha, as long as its cheaper than the Honda AT. But that Moto Guzzi, now that is tempting.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2018, 01:05:36 pm

I, would rather buy this than the GS310 even though it's got an ugly face. But it must be made in Austria, otherwise I'd rather have the Yamaha, as long as its cheaper than the Honda AT. But that Moto Guzzi, now that is tempting.
Wow really  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on March 07, 2018, 01:13:59 pm

I, would rather buy this than the GS310 even though it's got an ugly face. But it must be made in Austria, otherwise I'd rather have the Yamaha, as long as its cheaper than the Honda AT. But that Moto Guzzi, now that is tempting.

Problem with that is you might then only be riding the SECOND best Adventure bike ever.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on March 07, 2018, 01:16:43 pm
I Am sure this has been queries before on this thread somewhere , any expected time on arrival in SA  ? how long after duke ? and Can one Pre order at KTM dealers already ?

Mid to end 2019 I would guess. Some guys commented that they are number X on the list at the dealers so going on that you can put your name down for one. I'll wait for EICMA to see the production version before deciding but it's hard to say no to that motor
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on March 07, 2018, 01:17:28 pm
lol
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2018, 01:43:43 pm
🤣 Ja always a difficult one trading down.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on March 09, 2018, 01:32:57 pm
Can't wait to ride it :ricky:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on March 09, 2018, 01:51:50 pm


The 790 Adventure is going to be absolutely amazing. This one is 174kg ready to ride.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F11t9sYRP19MFd6%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 09, 2018, 02:10:14 pm


The 790 Adventure is going to be absolutely amazing. This one is 174kg ready to ride.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F11t9sYRP19MFd6%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1)

Same dry weight and power as a HP2  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on March 09, 2018, 02:39:10 pm


The 790 Adventure is going to be absolutely amazing. This one is 174kg ready to ride.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F11t9sYRP19MFd6%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1)

Same dry weight and power as a HP2  ::)


Almost yeah but 174kg WET not Dry.
A ton of electronics though.

But the HP2 is  :thumleft: 
Such a legend.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on March 10, 2018, 11:49:15 am


The 790 Adventure is going to be absolutely amazing. This one is 174kg ready to ride.
(https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F11t9sYRP19MFd6%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1)

Or 4.5kg heavier than a 310GS , I am glad to see there is one company doing things right
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on March 10, 2018, 11:51:24 am

[/quote]


Almost yeah but 174kg WET not Dry.
A ton of electronics though.

But the HP2 is  :thumleft: 
Such a legend.
[/quote]

and 1200cc.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on March 10, 2018, 12:03:26 pm



Almost yeah but 174kg WET not Dry.
A ton of electronics though.

But the HP2 is  :thumleft: 
Such a legend.
[/quote]

and 1200cc.
[/quote]

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zacapa on March 11, 2018, 08:33:29 am
Interesting thing about quoted "wet weight" is that some manufacturers interpret this as meaning bike with necessary fluids (engine oil, coolant, fork oil, battery) and tank empty.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on March 11, 2018, 08:50:53 am
Interesting thing about quoted "wet weight" is that some manufacturers interpret this as meaning bike with necessary fluids (engine oil, coolant, fork oil, battery) and tank empty.

A lot of manufacturers are now quoting the weight of the bikes as ready to ride with a full tank of fuel , but the weight is only relevant if all manufacturers stick to a standard
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 10:11:29 am
Any new information about this bad boy? Susp travel, weight etc?

Iíve got a feeling itís going to be exactly the same dry weight as the SE, same power and suspension travel... With more electronics( perhaps a goos thing for the average Joe), better fuel consumption and longer range. Oh and ability to carry luggage.

Luckily weíre not moving backwards


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 10:12:31 am
Any new information about this bad boy? Susp travel, weight etc?

Iíve got a feeling itís going to be exactly the same dry weight as the SE, same power and suspension travel... With more electronics( perhaps a goos thing for the average Joe), better fuel consumption and longer range. Oh and ability to carry luggage.

Luckily weíre not moving backwards


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Nothing new on ADVRIDER - Perhaps some new info here.

Also, apparently only hitting dealers in 2019


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2018, 10:44:14 am
Should be 2019 after being unveiled at EICMA I guess. If it's any bit as good off-road as the Duke is on the track it's going to be amazing
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 10:47:13 am
Should be 2019 after being unveiled at EICMA I guess. If it's any bit as good off-road as the Duke is on the track it's going to be amazing

Have you tested the duke?

And to be fair, 100hp doesnít always play the same as another 100hp. If itís the same power to weight as the SE weíre in good hands.

Please may the suspension gods look kindly upon this creation!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2018, 10:57:17 am
Have you tested the duke?

And to be fair, 100hp doesnít always play the same as another 100hp. If itís the same power to weight as the SE weíre in good hands.

Please may the suspension gods look kindly upon this creation!

I did 10 odd laps round Kyalami with it. It likes revs and I would assume they'll adjust the power delivery for the ADV but it will never feel like that big v-twin kick off the bottom. The 790 feels like a featherweight compared to the 1290 duke though which is hopefully a positive sign for the ADV.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2018, 11:36:45 am
Almost yeah but 174kg WET not Dry.
A ton of electronics though.


KTM are quoting a 169KGS dry. In my mind that would give it a Curb weight(wet weight) of at least 185KGs. Still very light.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 11:43:03 am
Almost yeah but 174kg WET not Dry.
A ton of electronics though.


KTM are quoting a 169KGS dry. In my mind that would give it a Curb weight(wet weight) of at least 185KGs. Still very light.

169 for the Duke or Adv?

If the Duke is 169 dry, add at least another 10kgís for the ADV.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2018, 11:47:08 am
If the Duke is 169 dry, add at least another 10kgís for the ADV.


The Duke 169 dry. I agree + Curb weight.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 11:59:17 am
And before you know it youíre easily sitting with a 185kg dry weight bike and 210kgís to hit the dirt.

Not very appealing.

Iím starting to think the next batch 1290Rís and a 500 light dualsport is in my future.

UNLESS they land this bad boy a bit below 200kgís wet! 185kgís wet would make my bathing suit area tingle.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2018, 12:04:20 pm
Anything under or just on 200KGS wet will set a new precedent for new twin cylinder Adventure bikes.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 12:07:44 pm
... Basically the SE


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: armpump on May 30, 2018, 12:15:54 pm
Hope they don't cut too many corners with regards to suspension
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2018, 12:16:22 pm
I dont know the Kerb weights of the SE but that is KTMs best ADV bike to date and will become a classic.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on May 30, 2018, 12:26:15 pm
SE is 185 kg dry and 98 HP and is a BEAST! :thumleft: Had the suspension to carry it off as well......still the best bike I`ve owned
The 790 Duke is 169 dry weight and 103 HP and according to people I have spoken to that have ridden both the 790 is so much smoother and even more potent!! :o Of course we dont yet knoe weight of the Adv??
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on May 30, 2018, 12:32:43 pm
That Duke farks off. I'm sure you'll see 240-250 maybe more on the clocks. I know SE owners will be a little touchy about this but if they give the R proper suspension and lose that big tank it might just be the new benchmark
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 12:39:11 pm
Hope they don't cut too many corners with regards to suspension
Itís an almost certainty bud - Unfortunately things are getting shorter and lower.

Pun intended


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 12:46:24 pm
That Duke farks off. I'm sure you'll see 240-250 maybe more on the clocks. I know SE owners will be a little touchy about this but if they give the R proper suspension and lose that big tank it might just be the new benchmark

It could very well be!

But I predict that it will have inferior suspension and be exactly the same weight (dry) but higher curb weight (due to larger tank).

Power to weight will thus be about the same.

HOWEVER, power delivery will make a big difference based on the new LC8c characteristics.

So for me - The big differences that will be an advantage over the SE will be mileage and luggage options. The rest will be the same for more $$.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2018, 01:27:23 pm
Funny how everyone is copying Yamaha with the 270 deg crank
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2018, 01:33:47 pm
Why are we copying Yamaha the 270 degree crank has been around almost forever. Honda had it on there 450 in the sixties and race bikes since NR500 80s. The yanks have been using since the 50s on there V8s.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offroadrider on May 30, 2018, 01:38:31 pm
Why are we copying Yamaha the 270 degree crank has been around almost forever. Honda had it on there 450 in the sixties and race bikes since NR500 80s. The yanks have been using since the 50s on there V8s.
Really no need to bugger up a good post with facts is there?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2018, 01:43:24 pm
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on May 30, 2018, 01:53:21 pm
That Duke farks off. I'm sure you'll see 240-250 maybe more on the clocks. I know SE owners will be a little touchy about this but if they give the R proper suspension and lose that big tank it might just be the new benchmark

...

So for me - The big differences that will be an advantage over the SE will be mileage and luggage options. The rest will be the same for more $$.


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Nope, for you the biggest difference is going to be that you might actually ride 790.  Isn't your SE just a piece of abstract art on display in a glass cabinet in your living room, kind of like Lenin mummy in Moscow?   >:D :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 01:54:28 pm
That Duke farks off. I'm sure you'll see 240-250 maybe more on the clocks. I know SE owners will be a little touchy about this but if they give the R proper suspension and lose that big tank it might just be the new benchmark

...

So for me - The big differences that will be an advantage over the SE will be mileage and luggage options. The rest will be the same for more $$.


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Nope, for you the biggest difference is going to be that you might actually ride 790.  Isn't your SE just a piece of abstract art on display in a glass cabinet in your living room, kind of like Lenin mummy in Moscow?   >:D :pot:
SPOT ON


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 06:07:04 pm
Wet weight on the 950SE makes it a toad for anything but smooth road adventure riding.

And this is the point, anything with a 180+kg dry weight is way too heavy, and you may as well opt for the full-dresser options out there.

Then there is the SE fuel consumption...... :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Please note; not running down a specific model, just looking at things from ALL angles.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 06:14:57 pm
Wet weight on the 950SE makes it a toad for anything but smooth road adventure riding.

And this is the point, anything with a 180+kg dry weight is way too heavy, and you may as well opt for the full-dresser options out there.

Then there is the SE fuel consumption...... :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Please note; not running down a specific model, just looking at things from ALL angles.

I totally agree.

My point being, IF the 790Adv tips the scales at anything close to 200kgís wet, youíre better off with a 500 or go full retard with a 1290R.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 06:15:24 pm
Wet weight on the 950SE makes it a toad for anything but smooth road adventure riding.

And this is the point, anything with a 180+kg dry weight is way too heavy, and you may as well opt for the full-dresser options out there.

Then there is the SE fuel consumption...... :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Please note; not running down a specific model, just looking at things from ALL angles.

I totally agree.

My point being, IF the 790Adv tips the scales at anything close to 200kgís wet, youíre better off with a 500 or go full retard with a 1290R.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 06:20:12 pm
Wet weight on the 950SE makes it a toad for anything but smooth road adventure riding.

And this is the point, anything with a 180+kg dry weight is way too heavy, and you may as well opt for the full-dresser options out there.

Then there is the SE fuel consumption...... :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Please note; not running down a specific model, just looking at things from ALL angles.

I totally agree.

My point being, IF the 790Adv tips the scales at anything close to 200kgís wet, youíre better off with a 500 or go full retard with a 1290R.


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Exactly, and in that regard bies like the 690/701 makes the most sense to me. Don't have to trailer, and can go where the 500's do.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 06:25:37 pm
Wet weight on the 950SE makes it a toad for anything but smooth road adventure riding.

And this is the point, anything with a 180+kg dry weight is way too heavy, and you may as well opt for the full-dresser options out there.

Then there is the SE fuel consumption...... :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7: :eek7:

Please note; not running down a specific model, just looking at things from ALL angles.

I totally agree.

My point being, IF the 790Adv tips the scales at anything close to 200kgís wet, youíre better off with a 500 or go full retard with a 1290R.


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Exactly, and in that regard bies like the 690/701 makes the most sense to me. Don't have to trailer, and can go where the 500's do.

Totís!

Maar eks nog lekker jonk so ek kan plekke gaan waar jou 701 nie kan gaan nie ;)

Ek moet net elke 50m olie vervang!

Maar op n nood van erns, as die 790R my nie LELIK beindruk nie, is dit tyd vir n 500 en n 1290R (vir daai kere wat ek lang pad wil toer en te cheapskate is om Kmís op my vertoon bikes te sit).

haha

PS - 200kg vir ENIGE iemand behalwe Birch en Cody is n FOKOP op die beste van tye. Ja, jy sal deur dit kan kom maar jy gaan dit nie geniet nie, dit gaan lank vat en gaan baie geld kos.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2018, 06:51:34 pm
in my mind there are really three market segments/sectors that are getting confused by some peoples personal preferences or/and ignorance - this has been noted by a few dogs including Xpat. There is maybe some overlap but really it is different strokes for different folks - and the folks must decide what they want to do ... plastic offroad, DS, Adventure light, Adventure heavy, poser  pussy - whatever! Then find what floats their boat. Something like this (work in progress):

1) The Lightweight Dual Sport Division(DS) bikes that can be licensed and plated ... say up to 500cc (KTM500, CRF125, CRF250L, CRF450L, DR400, etc)
2) The Middleweight Division - Adventure light bikes - normally 650cc to lets say 800cc (KTM690, BMW800, Yam660, KLR, DR650  and now the T7 and KTM790)
3) The Litre Class Heavyweight 'Adventure' Division - above 200kg and normally 1000cc + (GS, AT, Sten, 1190/1290 etc). Mostly hardtop and gravel Adventure riding.

You will not find a bike that can fight in all three weight divisions - some may overlap and fight above (or below) their weight but it is horses for courses. That is why some have more than one bike for their different DS Adventures.

Now I really think KTM are aiming the 790 Adv squarely at the middleweight division (yes go buy a 450/500 if you are in the lightweight DS division - no offence as this opens up awesome riding). They know there is a niche market for really capable adventure bikes in this division (as Yamaha have with the T7). And yes somewhat like SE's and HP2's were when they filled a very small niche - but now lighter, more nimble if possible and smaller engine capacity (and yes Euro compliant)

Andy Styling of KTM Fanatics fb 'fame' is in Austria and was at KISKA with Jules Fontvielle the man responsible for the design of the 790 (KISKA masterminded KTM orange and its R&D rise up to and including the present). Some insights from the horses mouth.

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/

Also look at this - ex pat a main KISKA man Jason Moriatry talking about the history of KISKA

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037764719807888/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 06:58:30 pm
in my mind there are really three market segments/sectors that are getting confused by some peoples personal preferences or/and ignorance - this has been noted by a few dogs including Xpat. There is maybe some overlap but really it is different strokes for different folks - and the folks must decide what they want to do ... plastic offroad, DS, Adventure light, Adventure heavy, poser  pussy - whatever! Then find what floats their boat. Something like this (work in progress):

1) The Lightweight Dual Sport Division(DS) bikes that can be licensed and plated ... say up to 500cc (KTM500, CRF125, CRF250L, CRF450L, DR400, etc)
2) The Middleweight Division - Adventure light bikes - normally 650cc to lets say 800cc (KTM690, BMW800, Yam660, KLR, DR650  and now the T7 and KTM790)
3) The Litre Class Heavyweight 'Adventure' Division - above 200kg and normally 1000cc + (GS, AT, Sten, 1190/1290 etc)

Now I really think KTM are aiming the 790 Adv squarely at the middleweight division (yes go buy a 450/500 if you are in the lightweight DS division - no offence as this opens up awesome riding). They know there is a niche market for really capable adventure bikes in this division (as Yamaha have with the T7). And yes somewhat like SE's and HP2's were when they filled a very small niche - but now lighter, more nimble if possible and smaller engine capacity (and yes Euro compliant)

Andy Styling of KTM Fanatics fb 'fame' is in Austria and was at KISKA with Jules Fontvielle the man responsible for the design of the 790 (KISKA masterminded KTM orange and its R&D rise up to and including the present). Some insights from the horses mouth.

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/

I was actually simply referring to the market segment applicable to me as rider. Iow, my honest personal choice.

Yes, there are many "segments' and each and every one is catered for in the widest and most overlapping variety of models in history.

This 790 is nothing new, the GS800 has been there for many years, and Yamaha 850's before that.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on May 30, 2018, 06:59:45 pm
in my mind there are really three market segments/sectors that are getting confused by some peoples personal preferences or/and ignorance - this has been noted by a few dogs including Xpat. There is maybe some overlap but really it is different strokes for different folks - and the folks must decide what they want to do ... plastic offroad, DS, Adventure light, Adventure heavy, poser  pussy - whatever! Then find what floats their boat. Something like this (work in progress):

1) The Lightweight Dual Sport Division(DS) bikes that can be licensed and plated ... say up to 500cc (KTM500, CRF125, CRF250L, CRF450L, DR400, etc)
2) The Middleweight Division - Adventure light bikes - normally 650cc to lets say 800cc (KTM690, BMW800, Yam660, KLR, DR650  and now the T7 and KTM790)
3) The Litre Class Heavyweight 'Adventure' Division - above 200kg and normally 1000cc + (GS, AT, Sten, 1190/1290 etc). Mostly hardtop and gravel Adventure riding.

Now I really think KTM are aiming the 790 Adv squarely at the middleweight division (yes go buy a 450/500 if you are in the lightweight DS division - no offence as this opens up awesome riding). They know there is a niche market for really capable adventure bikes in this division (as Yamaha have with the T7). And yes somewhat like SE's and HP2's were when they filled a very small niche - but now lighter, more nimble if possible and smaller engine capacity (and yes Euro compliant)

Andy Styling of KTM Fanatics fb 'fame' is in Austria and was at KISKA with Jules Fontvielle the man responsible for the design of the 790 (KISKA masterminded KTM orange and its R&D rise up to and including the present). Some insights from the horses mouth.

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/

Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 06:59:59 pm
in my mind there are really three market segments/sectors that are getting confused by some peoples personal preferences or/and ignorance - this has been noted by a few dogs including Xpat. There is maybe some overlap but really it is different strokes for different folks - and the folks must decide what they want to do ... plastic offroad, DS, Adventure light, Adventure heavy, poser  pussy - whatever! Then find what floats their boat. Something like this (work in progress):

1) The Lightweight Dual Sport Division(DS) bikes that can be licensed and plated ... say up to 500cc (KTM500, CRF125, CRF250L, CRF450L, DR400, etc)
2) The Middleweight Division - Adventure light bikes - normally 650cc to lets say 800cc (KTM690, BMW800, Yam660, KLR, DR650  and now the T7 and KTM790)
3) The Litre Class Heavyweight 'Adventure' Division - above 200kg and normally 1000cc + (GS, AT, Sten, 1190/1290 etc)

Now I really think KTM are aiming the 790 Adv squarely at the middleweight division (yes go buy a 450/500 if you are in the lightweight DS division - no offence as this opens up awesome riding). They know there is a niche market for really capable adventure bikes in this division (as Yamaha have with the T7). And yes somewhat like SE's and HP2's were when they filled a very small niche - but now lighter, more nimble if possible and smaller engine capacity (and yes Euro compliant)

Andy Styling of KTM Fanatics fb 'fame' is in Austria and was at KISKA with Jules Fontvielle the man responsible for the design of the 790 (KISKA masterminded KTM orange and its R&D rise up to and including the present). Some insights from the horses mouth.

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/

I was actually simply referring to the market segment applicable to me as rider. Iow, my honest personal choice.

Yes, there are many "segments' and each and every one is catered for in the widest and most overlapping variety of models in history.

This 790 is nothing new, the GS800 has been there for many years, and Yamaha 850's before that.

Ok now youíve gone too far mentioning the delivery bike in the same sentence as the 790!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 07:01:22 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2018, 07:01:57 pm

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Ok now youíve gone too far mentioning the delivery bike in the same sentence as the 790!


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[/quote]

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2018, 07:04:19 pm

[/quote]

Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.
[/quote]

Ja net so  - OB VEEE ARSE,  J-hond.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on May 30, 2018, 07:08:48 pm


Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.
[/quote]

Ja net so  - OB VEEE ARSE,  J-hond.
[/quote]

Se dankie vir my asb.  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 08:41:02 pm


Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.

Ja net so  - OB VEEE ARSE,  J-hond.
[/quote]

Se dankie vir my asb.  :lol8:
[/quote]

Jy wat net Afrikaans wil praat, onthou "BigDom" in Afrikaans is "Dom grote". :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on May 30, 2018, 09:10:15 pm
we should have a raffle for a KTM790 adv, if you guess the weight correct to the nearest kg with a full tank ready to ride - measured by someone with a big proper scale... how many are we on this forum?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on May 30, 2018, 09:12:43 pm
we should have a raffle for a KTM790 adv, if you guess the weight correct to the nearest kg with a full tank ready to ride - measured by someone with a big proper scale... how many are we on this forum?

Now THAT is an awesome plan!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2018, 09:49:13 pm


Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.

Ja net so  - OB VEEE ARSE,  J-hond.

Se dankie vir my asb.  :lol8:
[/quote]

Jy wat net Afrikaans wil praat, onthou "BigDom" in Afrikaans is "Dom grote". :pot:
[/quote]

Of net Baaie Dom
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 09:59:25 pm


Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.

Ja net so  - OB VEEE ARSE,  J-hond.

Se dankie vir my asb.  :lol8:

Jy wat net Afrikaans wil praat, onthou "BigDom" in Afrikaans is "Dom grote". :pot:
[/quote]

Of net Baaie Dom
[/quote]

 O0 :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: zacapa on May 31, 2018, 07:44:48 am
So pump up your flippin tyres with helium and live the illusion that you have now created a mid size ADV light! bike.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on May 31, 2018, 08:49:50 am
So pump up your flippin tyres with helium and live the illusion that you have now created a mid size ADV light! bike.

At least the 790 is not from the 80s like some other "light" weights  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2018, 09:10:58 am
So pump up your flippin tyres with helium and live the illusion that you have now created a mid size ADV light! bike.

At least the 790 is not from the 80s like some other "light" weights  :pot:

 :biggrin: 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on May 31, 2018, 11:21:30 am
in my mind there are really three market segments/sectors that are getting confused by some peoples personal preferences or/and ignorance - this has been noted by a few dogs including Xpat. There is maybe some overlap but really it is different strokes for different folks - and the folks must decide what they want to do ... plastic offroad, DS, Adventure light, Adventure heavy, poser  pussy - whatever! Then find what floats their boat. Something like this (work in progress):

1) The Lightweight Dual Sport Division(DS) bikes that can be licensed and plated ... say up to 500cc (KTM500, CRF125, CRF250L, CRF450L, DR400, etc)
2) The Middleweight Division - Adventure light bikes - normally 650cc to lets say 800cc (KTM690, BMW800, Yam660, KLR, DR650  and now the T7 and KTM790)
3) The Litre Class Heavyweight 'Adventure' Division - above 200kg and normally 1000cc + (GS, AT, Sten, 1190/1290 etc). Mostly hardtop and gravel Adventure riding.

Now I really think KTM are aiming the 790 Adv squarely at the middleweight division (yes go buy a 450/500 if you are in the lightweight DS division - no offence as this opens up awesome riding). They know there is a niche market for really capable adventure bikes in this division (as Yamaha have with the T7). And yes somewhat like SE's and HP2's were when they filled a very small niche - but now lighter, more nimble if possible and smaller engine capacity (and yes Euro compliant)

Andy Styling of KTM Fanatics fb 'fame' is in Austria and was at KISKA with Jules Fontvielle the man responsible for the design of the 790 (KISKA masterminded KTM orange and its R&D rise up to and including the present). Some insights from the horses mouth.

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/

Die agt honderd is oor 200kg.

Die 690 is kak om te ry vir 600km

Die 790 gaan naby, of oor 200kg wees

Die 500 is te stadig

Die 1290 is kak swaar

Die SE is ook swaar en kak te ry vir 600km.

Ek se net so.
So now, seeing as you have put on the mantel of the DS book of knowledge, tell us what bike you currently ride!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on May 31, 2018, 11:27:21 am
Ek ry niks. Maar ek was the einaar van die volgende:

300 KTM
200 KDX
XT500
XL500
690 KTM
800 GS
950 KTM
990KTM
1200 GSA.

Ek het ook gery (nie myne):

950SE
1190
en 'n paar andere.

Ek dink ek iets om te se.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2018, 11:27:48 am

Ek se net so.
[/quote]
So now, seeing as you have put on the mantel of the DS book of knowledge, tell us what bike you currently ride!
[/quote]

 :peepwall: :3some:   :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on May 31, 2018, 11:29:05 am
Ek ry niks. Maar ek was the einaar van die volgende:

300 KTM
200 KDX
XT500
XL500
690 KTM
800 GS
950 KTM
990KTM
1200 GSA.

Ek het ook gery (nie myne):

950SE
1190
en 'n paar andere.

Ek dink ek iets om te se.
That being the case, stick to your emigration documentation!
When you were riding you spent most of your time next to your bike on the ground, so that alone invalidates your comments.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on May 31, 2018, 11:30:20 am
 :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 18, 2018, 08:58:03 am
169kg dry weight... Unverified source, bold claim, the plot thickens.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/dc5107efc9edd58223b4d2267630764e.png)

Just a pity that the production bike wonít get the Pipe, Orange Trip clamps and definitely not the Cone Valves.

These figures put it firmly ahead of the SE ito. Power to weight!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 11:06:09 am
After EICMA we will know what is what regarding the 790 and T7.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on June 18, 2018, 11:19:39 am
169kg dry weight... Unverified source, bold claim, the plot thickens.

That's the dry weight of the Duke. I was skeptical that the Adv model would be anywhere near the weight of the Duke, but when you consider the 690 Enduro is 12kg lighter than the Supermoto...

Holding thumbs for that number holding true, but ya, waiting for EICMA  :sip:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: EssBee on June 18, 2018, 11:35:13 am
" Grin laden Glee"....I think 'skid-mark tainted riding pants' will be more apt. :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RedWolf on June 18, 2018, 06:50:54 pm
169kg dry weight... Unverified source, bold claim, the plot thickens.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180618/dc5107efc9edd58223b4d2267630764e.png)

Just a pity that the production bike wonít get the Pipe, Orange Trip clamps and definitely not the Cone Valves.

These figures put it firmly ahead of the SE ito. Power to weight!


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If it's really 169kg dry, then I will be one of the first owners in SA..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 18, 2018, 07:00:31 pm
169kg dry weight... Unverified source, bold claim, the plot thickens.

Just a pity that the production bike wonít get the Pipe, Orange Trip clamps and definitely not the Cone Valves.

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Yes, but they have to allow for their Powerparts sales that they have defiantly foregrounded recently.  :lol8:  This is already the case with the 790 Duke with many farkles available. I hope they at least put some decent adjustable forks on as standard not the non-adjustables that are on the Duke  :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: CycleC on June 19, 2018, 08:15:10 am
If and a big IF the new 790 production bike looks exactly like this I will 100% have one standing in my garage next to my 690. I just hope it will not be a toned downed version and look more like the 1090.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: YoungGSer on June 19, 2018, 06:02:28 pm
I just saw on Instagram that Chis Birch is riding a 790 in Greece, mentioned he will be posting a video about it soon so hopefully we will get to see what the production version will look like


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 19, 2018, 06:04:14 pm
I just saw on Instagram that Chis Birch is riding a 790 in Greece, mentioned he will be posting a video about it soon so hopefully we will get to see what the production version will look like


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Awesome, going to go check it out!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 19, 2018, 07:25:57 pm
Ja the bike they have given him to play with does not seem to have the Xtrig/Powerpart type triples and Cone Valves but has got adjustable forks. Also seems to have 'protector plates' on the low slung fuel tank and metal bashplate not seen on other protos. Looking fit for purpose  8)  I think he is pre-running tracks for the Euro KTM Rally Comp.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 19, 2018, 07:29:12 pm
Pretty sure this bike is in stock production trim!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 19, 2018, 07:37:36 pm
Pretty sure this bike is in stock production trim!


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I heard they have 50 out there with guys instructed to put 50K clicks on them as quickly as possible.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 19, 2018, 07:39:56 pm
Pretty sure this bike is in stock production trim!


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I heard they have 50 out there with guys instructed to put 50K clicks on them as quickly as possible.  ::)

Well isnít that lovely! Hopefully somewhere between the lot us folk can get some feedback about the bikes.

Must say, itís looking rather kak in that dull all black trim...


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on June 19, 2018, 08:31:53 pm
Was thinking the same ....... looks crap.

But, it's nice to see he's got his foot firmly on the ground, so not a stupidly tall bike. Unless he's a giant, of course.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 19, 2018, 08:35:35 pm
Was thinking the same ....... looks crap.

But, it's nice to see he's got his foot firmly on the ground, so not a stupidly tall bike. Unless he's a giant, of course.

Jirre, thatís not good, means this bike is also going to have minus 15mm of travel!

Ok heís a tall guy but still, thatís the main reason Iíd get it, proper 250-275mm of travel.

There goes that idea, thanks for ruining my year.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 19, 2018, 08:44:37 pm

[/quote]

Must say, itís looking rather kak in that dull all black trim...

[/quote]

I think the black is obviously just kinda undercover stuff. But ja not flattering. I agree they really must not dumb down on the suspension esp if it is a R model.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Ventana on June 20, 2018, 07:45:32 am
No doubt this is going to be an awesome piece of engineering but that low-slung petrol tank makes it look like its hiding a boxer motor....... :peepwall:  I'm sure its going to be a great bike but right now I'm trying unsuccessfully to force myself to like the look of the bike......
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 07:48:33 am
No doubt this is going to be an awesome piece of engineering but that low-slung petrol tank makes it look like its hiding a boxer motor....... :peepwall: 

Don't say that like its a bad thing.  :lol8:  I will feel instantly comfortable.  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 20, 2018, 08:30:43 am
Hopefully they do an enduro version with a small tank as well
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on June 20, 2018, 11:13:24 am
Was thinking the same ....... looks crap.
But, it's nice to see he's got his foot firmly on the ground, so not a stupidly tall bike. Unless he's a giant, of course.
Jirre, thatís not good, means this bike is also going to have minus 15mm of travel!
Ok heís a tall guy but still, thatís the main reason Iíd get it, proper 250-275mm of travel.
There goes that idea, thanks for ruining my year.

I wouldn't take that pic as an indication of suspension travel...and at the same sime I doubt the 790 will have any more than 250mm, probably 220.

(https://image.redbull.com/rbcom/010/2015-04-02/1331714759721_2/0010/1/950/633/1/chris-birch.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 11:16:01 am
We should do a raffle and guess:

1. Suspension Travel
2. Dry Weight
3. Power
4. RRP


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Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 11:19:33 am
Was thinking the same ....... looks crap.
But, it's nice to see he's got his foot firmly on the ground, so not a stupidly tall bike. Unless he's a giant, of course.
Jirre, thatís not good, means this bike is also going to have minus 15mm of travel!
Ok heís a tall guy but still, thatís the main reason Iíd get it, proper 250-275mm of travel.
There goes that idea, thanks for ruining my year.

I wouldn't take that pic as an indication of suspension travel...and at the same sime I doubt the 790 will have any more than 250mm, probably 220.

(https://image.redbull.com/rbcom/010/2015-04-02/1331714759721_2/0010/1/950/633/1/chris-birch.jpg)

It would make sense for it to have the same travel and suspension as a 1290/1090 - After all, the only reason for shorter travel is for the bike to appeal to a wider audience.

BUT

In saying that, the positioning of this bike in their value offering is unique and with that comes certain expectations around weight, suspension and power.

So they would probably up the travel SLIGHTLY for it to seem like a step up, but not enough for it to take it away from people of shorter stature.

My guess is 245mm but it would likely hover around 235mm.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 11:37:02 am
Suspension travel does not need to equate directly with ride height. Anything less than 250 would be a fucking travesty on a bike like this. The 950 SE has 250mm. And FFS my 10 year old Husky TE610 has 300mm and my HP2 has 270mm
 :-\
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on June 20, 2018, 11:43:17 am
In saying that, the positioning of this bike in their value offering is unique and with that comes certain expectations around weight, suspension and power.

Yep, this ain't no F850GS.
Do we think there's going to be an R and non-R? One suspension option just seems like a compromise.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 12:02:56 pm
In saying that, the positioning of this bike in their value offering is unique and with that comes certain expectations around weight, suspension and power.

Yep, this ain't no F850GS.
Do we think there's going to be an R and non-R? One suspension option just seems like a compromise.

Yes sounds like there will be an R and "a non-R" . See this interview at Kimka

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2037775093140184/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 12:03:24 pm
Suspension travel does not need to equate directly with ride height. Anything less than 250 would be a fucking travesty on a bike like this. The 950 SE has 250mm. And FFS my 10 year old Husky TE610 has 300mm and my HP2 has 270mm
 :-\

True, unless you have a short body height or stripped down seat - None of which are characteristics that are present on modern bikes in the lineup.

Furthermore, dropping the forks and rake angles can make longer travel suspension more accessible to shorter riders, but this has very serious consequences on the handling and ground clearance.

So they just bring the bike out with shorter travel suspension that perform well.

But yeah, It would be a freaking travesty if itís anything below 250.

Quite frankly I think 265 is perfect and very reasonable.

And yes, the SE has 250mm of plushness and that Husky 610 makes all my places moist when thinking about all that travel!

Unfortunately the suspension/weight trend of these bikes is not in out favour...


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 12:05:45 pm
I agree the trend from KTM has moved to shorter travel. But maybe with an R and standard model they may differentiate. Certainly they should consider an SE model as well imho.  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 12:11:42 pm
I agree the trend from KTM has moved to shorter travel. But maybe with an R and standard model they may differentiate. Certainly they should consider an SE model as well imho.  :ricky:

I can only dream of such a day!

But yeah, theyíll definitely do an S and R variant, doubít theyíd go from 210mm to 250mm for the R. In fact, theyíll probably just follow the same differentiation as with the 1190S/R and 1290S/R (Electronic vs Manual fully adjustable).

Some serious first world problems happening right here!

IF it comes out with 220mm, and has the same fork/shock as the 1x90 series bike, Iíll consider importing some Ohlins 277ís or the Cone Valves. That way you can use them on your future bikes, the 1290 etc.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 09:25:02 pm
OK here is the live vid from Chris Birch from just now - KTM boys introducing the 790 Adv to KTM Rally participants in Greece. Chris rode the bike today, praises the chassis and ergos. Seat is definitely low slung. Ja and they emphasised it is still a prototype, and yes looks kak in black.  ::)

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723150101094582/?fref=gs&dti=461267177542874&hc_location=group

Fast forward past the initial stuff. Interesting graphics of the engine compared to other bikes. We know the tall T7 engine has forced the high fuel tank position on that bike.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 09:28:25 pm
OK here is the live vid from Chris Birch from just now - KTM boys introducing the 790 Adv to KTM Rally participants in Greece. Chris rode the bike today, praises the chassis and ergos. Seat is definitely low slung. Ja and they emphasised it is still a prototype, and yes looks kak in black.  ::)

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723150101094582/?fref=gs&dti=461267177542874&hc_location=group

Fuck when they start talking about chassis and ergoís theres bound to be jack shit suspension travel...

Will watch full video, thanks for sharing.

It looks horrible and that belly is practically scraping the ground. #suspensiontravelintotheminus


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 09:32:16 pm
OK here is the live vid from Chris Birch from just now - KTM boys introducing the 790 Adv to KTM Rally participants in Greece. Chris rode the bike today, praises the chassis and ergos. Seat is definitely low slung. Ja and they emphasised it is still a prototype, and yes looks kak in black.  ::)

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723150101094582/?fref=gs&dti=461267177542874&hc_location=group

Fuck when they start talking about chassis and ergoís theres bound to be jack shit suspension travel...

Will watch full video, thanks for sharing.

It looks horrible and that belly is practically scraping the ground. #suspensiontravelintotheminus


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Ja I must confess I am feeling increasingly disappointed that they are going too softcock on it  :-\
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 09:37:11 pm
On board with Chris

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 09:41:22 pm
Iím getting that sinking feeling.

Iíll have to look after this SE of mine for life.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 20, 2018, 09:53:36 pm
Iím getting that sinking feeling.

Iíll have to look after this SE of mine for life.


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Feeling similarly as I already have a 175kg dry and 195kg wet adventure bike in the HP2 but was thinking of resting her and indulging in the 790 ... guess time will tell. The Husky 701 is suddenly looking appealing again.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 10:01:11 pm
Iím getting that sinking feeling.

Iíll have to look after this SE of mine for life.


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Feeling similarly as I already have a 175kg dry and 195kg wet adventure bike in the HP2 but was thinking of resting her and indulging in the 790 ... guess time will tell. The Husky 701 is suddenly looking appealing again.  ::)

The deal I made by myself, with myself, is that if the 790 isnít EXACTLY what I wanted Iíll get a KTM 500 and perhaps a 1290 for those longer trips.

Also wanting to save my SE a bit...

But the more economical choice would be a 701, the 2017 and up is a magical machine! Plush the suspension out, fit the factory long range tanks and you have a proper bike with 275mm of suspension.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 20, 2018, 10:02:36 pm
I havenít been on such an emotional rollercoaster as what this bike has put me through.

And itís only the start!

hahaha


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on June 21, 2018, 09:36:01 am
Iím getting that sinking feeling.

Iíll have to look after this SE of mine for life.


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Feeling similarly as I already have a 175kg dry and 195kg wet adventure bike in the HP2 but was thinking of resting her and indulging in the 790 ... guess time will tell. The Husky 701 is suddenly looking appealing again.  ::)

Ding Dong, you are right! We already have the ultimate adventure bike in the form of the new 701 and the 2019 690! This new thing is only a compromise!.. Don't want!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on June 21, 2018, 11:06:55 am
We should do a raffle and guess:

1. Suspension Travel
2. Dry Weight
3. Power
4. RRP


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Do a poll to get some numbers of those that would pay for raffle, then you can look at ticket cost
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: RobLH on June 21, 2018, 11:09:21 am
We should do a raffle and guess:

1. Suspension Travel
2. Dry Weight
3. Power
4. RRP


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Do a poll to get some numbers of those that would pay for raffle, then you can look at ticket cost

A diamond ring if we get all the answers right?   :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 21, 2018, 11:11:02 am
We should do a raffle and guess:

1. Suspension Travel
2. Dry Weight
3. Power
4. RRP


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Do a poll to get some numbers of those that would pay for raffle, then you can look at ticket cost

A diamond ring if we get all the answers right?   :peepwall:

Yeah letís raffle off my ring!

Only 340-400 odd tickets at R500 each needed


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 21, 2018, 11:35:58 pm
I kind of lost interest in this 790 as it is too heavy and big for my use (as is SE - that thing is stupidly huge), so it shouldn't matter, but I still find the latest Birch videos quite discouraging. That thing seems to be backkicking worse even than my old Tenere, and I thought nothing will beat that...

I have no idea how to embed facebook videos, so here is the link to the latest pictures and videos of Birch riding 790: https://www.facebook.com/mittheiss/videos/pcb.856499264549808/10211022271585608/?type=3&theater&ifg=1 (https://www.facebook.com/mittheiss/videos/pcb.856499264549808/10211022271585608/?type=3&theater&ifg=1)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 22, 2018, 07:15:55 am
I think you want this one maybe? Posted earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on June 22, 2018, 07:56:37 am
Surprising that they don't/won't incorporate the GPS into the dash - or am I being silly again.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 22, 2018, 08:02:52 am
I think you want this one maybe? Posted earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/

No, there are other videos of third person filming him riding the bike on small offroad course. You just need to click on tne images and click through pictures till you make it to videos. There are few videos there - different from the one you posted.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on June 22, 2018, 08:20:05 am
I think you want this one maybe? Posted earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/

No, there are other videos of third person filming him riding the bike on small offroad course. You just need to click on tne images and click through pictures till you make it to videos. There are few videos there - different from the one you posted.

Can't seem to capture the link either.
It does not handle like an enduro bike but it looks very similar to what a 990 would handle in my view.


The low tank looks funny from the side but from the front not so bad.

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35785567_10211022199343802_7355456150977904640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=01e75c07a3c5c7189c457c90ac31668b&oe=5BAB118E)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35648104_10211022204223924_945987648118325248_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=92f8176b1df092b7bd6d1a328baf8d28&oe=5BA5949B)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 22, 2018, 08:27:29 am
I don't know, to me it's riding poise looks like any other adventure bike, including big fat 1200s - absolutely nothing special. There is one particular edge at the flat section after that steep downhill where it looks like if one would hit it with gusto, the bike would throw him over handlebars.

I know it is too early to judge based on one video, but to me it seems like the rear has way too little travel or something (or the bikes weight is all on the front), and hard hit may get the rear out of shape way faster than front. Granted, we cannot see in the video the shape of the obstacle - may very well be steep step, but front seems to be handling it fine, while the rear kicks back like a mule.

But yes, it is too early to judge bike based on one out of focus video. Still, if you bring Birch half way across the world for basically a promotion ride, I would expect that they set the prototype out for him better.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 22, 2018, 08:30:48 am
T7 may be heavier and down on power but it sure looks a million times better than the 790 so far.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 22, 2018, 08:41:52 am
T7 may be heavier and down on power but it sure looks a million times better than the 790 so far.

That is personal preference. I for one am done with the rally looks. Made the mistake of buying 690 with rally kit in an attempt to turn it into adventure/rally bike, and I cannot express exactly how much better the bike is now without the kit. For me at this stage of my lifea windscreen is just abomination - it's sole purpose being to break your neck or nose. The best modification by far I did on my Tenere was shortening the original windscreen. So I tend to prefer the enduro stance to rally one nowadays, and this 790 with small sreen looks better to me. But I know I am alone on this one  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 22, 2018, 08:42:08 am
Look the EICMA 790 looks sexy and purposeful but lets face it these black stealth prototypes are very unflattering. Yes maybe some real world testing rather than T7 photoshoot cockteasers but still doing KTM no favours. I think they have woken up late with their KTM Rally thang feeling they must match Yamaha's World Tour with something. The presentation to the riders and responses in the video in Greece are also rather lame - pointed questions around suspension and weight were sidestepped completely. Is starting to look like a low slung softcock adventure bike. Maybe this is the S prototype rather than the R - who knows but I am disappointed. I cant see that this bike is going to do anything my HP2 can't and really we want a proper middleweight rather than an overweight unfit for purpose one - well me anyway.  :o  The new 690's and 701's are looking increasingly enticing.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on June 22, 2018, 08:45:09 am
I don't know, to me it's riding poise looks like any other adventure bike, including big fat 1200s - absolutely nothing special. There is one particular edge at the flat section after that steep downhill where it looks like if one would hit it with gusto, the bike would throw him over handlebars.

I know it is too early to judge based on one video, but to me it seems like the rear has way too little travel or something (or the bikes weight is all on the front), and hard hit may get the rear out of shape way faster than front. Granted, we cannot see in the video the shape of the obstacle - may very well be steep step, but front seems to be handling it fine, while the rear kicks back like a mule.

But yes, it is too early to judge bike based on one out of focus video. Still, if you bring Birch half way across the world for basically a promotion ride, I would expect that they set the prototype out for him better.

He backs off the throttle for the upcoming turn. That is why the back looks like it is kicking. There are worse obstacles that the bike handles fine. You can ride a proper enduro bike that is setup correctly to also kick the back wheel. You cannot comment on setup or the bikes handling based on that video.

What people seem to forget is
1. This is a prototype, so the thing will change drastically. Especially cosmetic things and non critical stuff like the touch screen
2. This is still a DS bike, not an enduro bike. You cant compare the 790 to and enduro bike. If you have to compare it then compare it to a 800GS.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 22, 2018, 08:51:01 am
Still looking forward to it. The 790 engine is a peach and if the duke is anything to go by, this bike will be great to ride. I have a dirt bike and a 690. What I need is a tourer that can occasionally be pushed a little harder than a 800GS and is quite a bit lighter. So far this bike is on track to be just that.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 22, 2018, 08:54:35 am
Yeah, fair enough. My riding has over the past year when I was last interested in this bike moved to where I actually do not have a use for this kind of bike, so I will rather just shut up.  :)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kelevra on June 22, 2018, 08:58:34 am
Never thought it would be possible to make an uglier bike than the 640
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 22, 2018, 09:07:31 am
Look I'd love to do hardcore rides, eat predators and drink my own piss but the reality is that I live in Gauteng and mostly have the occasional long weekend to ride. If it's any lighter than a 990 with the same suspension, less of a pain to service and lighter on fuel, to me it's a win  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 22, 2018, 09:12:52 am
Look I'd love to do hardcore rides, eat predators and drink my own piss but the reality is that I live in Gauteng and mostly have the occasional long weekend to ride. If it's any lighter than a 990 with the same suspension, less of a pain to service and lighter on fuel, to me it's a win  :thumleft:

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 22, 2018, 09:21:03 am
That cable clutch, canít get over it!

They should call it the 790 Compromise


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 22, 2018, 09:29:11 am
I have to agree with you on that one. One of my favourite things on my 690 is that super soft hydraulic clutch. And the 3 Dukes I rode all had a bit of drag in the last part of the stroke. Probably my only slight complaint I had about it
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 22, 2018, 11:18:09 am
I think you want this one maybe? Posted earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/

No, there are other videos of third person filming him riding the bike on small offroad course. You just need to click on tne images and click through pictures till you make it to videos. There are few videos there - different from the one you posted.

Can't seem to capture the link either.
It does not handle like an enduro bike but it looks very similar to what a 990 would handle in my view.


The low tank looks funny from the side but from the front not so bad.

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35785567_10211022199343802_7355456150977904640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=01e75c07a3c5c7189c457c90ac31668b&oe=5BAB118E)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/35648104_10211022204223924_945987648118325248_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=92f8176b1df092b7bd6d1a328baf8d28&oe=5BA5949B)
Looks like it swallowed a boxer engine
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 22, 2018, 02:34:31 pm
I think you want this one maybe? Posted earlier.

https://www.facebook.com/ChrisBirchNZ/videos/1723128414430084/

No, there are other videos of third person filming him riding the bike on small offroad course. You just need to click on tne images and click through pictures till you make it to videos. There are few videos there - different from the one you posted.

Yeah here are some links:

https://www.facebook.com/mittheiss/videos/10211022261665360/

https://www.facebook.com/mittheiss/videos/10211022271585608/

The back is certainly kicking like a mule and I cannot say that Birch looks all that comfortable - compare to his body language on his 1190   :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 22, 2018, 02:41:01 pm
T7 may be heavier and down on power but it sure looks a million times better than the 790 so far.

That is personal preference. I for one am done with the rally looks. Made the mistake of buying 690 with rally kit in an attempt to turn it into adventure/rally bike, and I cannot express exactly how much better the bike is now without the kit. For me at this stage of my lifea windscreen is just abomination - it's sole purpose being to break your neck or nose. The best modification by far I did on my Tenere was shortening the original windscreen. So I tend to prefer the enduro stance to rally one nowadays, and this 790 with small sreen looks better to me. But I know I am alone on this one  ;)
:deal:

You seem to be quite happy with the 690, any pros or cons ? I still think the whole fairing setup is not really needed. Aftermarket stuff always tends to fall of it seems.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on June 22, 2018, 03:09:43 pm
i cannot imagine KTM not going a proper job when this is eventually released. they have the pedigree, they know the 790 is very important player in the market.. Chris B should point out everything they are doing wrong hopefully
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on June 22, 2018, 03:21:36 pm
T7 may be heavier and down on power but it sure looks a million times better than the 790 so far.

That is personal preference. I for one am done with the rally looks. Made the mistake of buying 690 with rally kit in an attempt to turn it into adventure/rally bike, and I cannot express exactly how much better the bike is now without the kit. For me at this stage of my lifea windscreen is just abomination - it's sole purpose being to break your neck or nose. The best modification by far I did on my Tenere was shortening the original windscreen. So I tend to prefer the enduro stance to rally one nowadays, and this 790 with small sreen looks better to me. But I know I am alone on this one  ;)
:deal:

You seem to be quite happy with the 690, any pros or cons ? I still think the whole fairing setup is not really needed. Aftermarket stuff always tends to fall of it seems.

Sure, you got me there. We live and learn, and for my use enduro form factor is vastly superior to rally/adventure bike, which just makes bike unnecessarily big and has crap on that is unnecessary and sometimes dangerous - e.g. windscreen.

But for most people who are going to use this for run of the mill adventure riding (i.e. commuting and an odd dirt trip over weekend) the adv/rally form factor is better. I just hoped that this 790 would be something more than just another 800 cc bike. Kind of like 990 was always in the class of its own among the mastodonts. Right now it looks like KTM is just looking for ways to make it as cheap as possible and compete on price (non Brembo brakes, split forks, cable clutch, etc.) - I believe Duke is also significantly cheaper in western markets than people expected. Though people who have ridden Duke say the engine is good (but then so is T7 one). I think Renrew will cry bitterly once this comes out  :peepwall: :pot:

But let's wait and see - I sure will be glad to be wrong on this one (as well as on T7 which I kind of see similarly).
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 22, 2018, 03:46:19 pm
I see that Greek prototype has Xplor forks with comp and rebound on separate forks and quick adjusters like on the 6 Days. I guess one cannot hope for more than this standard.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on June 22, 2018, 08:26:25 pm
I think the suspension just need some clicker turning to sort the rear.  But it will need a high seat to relax the hip/footpeg dimension.  It looks very cramped.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on June 23, 2018, 12:16:05 am
No what it needs is a boob lift.

I suspect that they are targeting the KLR riders cause she sure is fugly
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on June 23, 2018, 07:00:45 am
No what it needs is a boob lift.

I suspect that they are targeting the KLR riders cause she sure is fugly

They've actually deceived everyone. Those bra cups are hiding flat twin pods, procured from BMW...  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 23, 2018, 09:31:25 am
https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/ktm-790-adventure-r

About sums up the Chris Birch Greek Getaway.

Confirms as I though the suspension is XPlor off the enduro bikes and certainly the bucking backend is typical of these latest offerings until worked over.
The talk of more new electronics is not good but I recall the guy did say "next generation" - so may not be on the first bikes or may just be more hyperbola. If they put a fooking ipad and ride blind shyte on this bike like the 1290 then they have definitely lost the plot on this one in preference of the softcock market. They are saying designed for new and more experienced riders ... forgiving chassis, low seat, tampons?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 23, 2018, 09:52:21 am
https://adventuremotorcycle.com/news/ktm-790-adventure-r

About sums up the Chris Birch Greek Getaway.

Confirms as I though the suspension is XPlor off the enduro bikes and certainly the bucking backend is typical of these latest offerings until worked over.
The talk of more new electronics is not good but I recall the guy did say "next generation" - so may not be on the first bikes or may just be more hyperbola. If they put a fooking ipad and ride blind shyte on this bike like the 1290 then they have definitely lost the plot on this one in preference of the softcock market.

Thanks for sharin.

The Xplor forks and shock, thatís 300mm... And if they can fit them, it means we should be able to fit them?

It will have a similar ipad to the 790 duke, likelast exactly the same with similar features as the 1290.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 23, 2018, 10:47:21 am
Suspension travel can be adjusted within the shock so no ways I see them having 300mm of travel. Of course it would be amazing but naah - cannot see it happening. Xplor is really the shock design. I suspect they will dumb down the suspension and offer take aways - XPlor etc as Powerparts to line the coffers.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 23, 2018, 10:49:47 am
Suspension travel can be adjusted within the shock so no ways I see them having 300mm of travel. Of course it would be amazing but naah - cannot see it happening. Xplor is really the shock design.

Iím more talking about the ability of the chassis and trip clamps/wheels to accept the suspension as opposed to the travel.

Travel can be adjusted.

The Xplor suspension being able to fit on the bike is a big deal, isnít it?


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 23, 2018, 10:50:47 am
Suspension travel can be adjusted within the shock so no ways I see them having 300mm of travel. Of course it would be amazing but naah - cannot see it happening. Xplor is really the shock design.

Iím more talking about the ability of the chassis and trip clamps/wheels to accept the suspension as opposed to the travel.

Travel can be adjusted.

The Xplor suspension being able to fit on the bike is a big deal, isnít it?


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What I donít get - Why donít they make it so any of their bikes can accept EXC forks and shocks?


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 23, 2018, 01:35:43 pm
Suspension travel can be adjusted within the shock so no ways I see them having 300mm of travel. Of course it would be amazing but naah - cannot see it happening. Xplor is really the shock design.

Iím more talking about the ability of the chassis and trip clamps/wheels to accept the suspension as opposed to the travel.

Travel can be adjusted.

The Xplor suspension being able to fit on the bike is a big deal, isnít it?


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What I donít get - Why donít they make it so any of their bikes can accept EXC forks and shocks?


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I think many probably can - it is just as they have developed new shocks things have changes slightly (like axle diameter and then the feet for different calipers). Most all late models are 48mm so tripples accept them but stantion lengths have also varied (top and bottom) - with a move most often to less travel  :-\   BTW it is not only the EXC but also XCW enduro bikes that have the Xplors. I am sure they will have to do some work on them other than just springs to get them to work on a 200kg bike though  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 23, 2018, 01:40:59 pm
Suspension travel can be adjusted within the shock so no ways I see them having 300mm of travel. Of course it would be amazing but naah - cannot see it happening. Xplor is really the shock design.

Iím more talking about the ability of the chassis and trip clamps/wheels to accept the suspension as opposed to the travel.

Travel can be adjusted.

The Xplor suspension being able to fit on the bike is a big deal, isnít it?


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What I donít get - Why donít they make it so any of their bikes can accept EXC forks and shocks?


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I think many probably can - it is just as they have developed new shocks things have changes slightly (like axle diameter and then the feet for different calipers). Most all late models are 48mm so tripples accept them but stantion lengths have also varied (top and bottom) - with a move most often to less travel  :-\   BTW it is not only the EXC but also XCW enduro bikes that have the Xplors. I am sure they will have to do some work on them other than just springs to get them to work on a 200kg bike though  ::)

Yup, the feet are different but the triples should accept them.

Well there are only EXCís now, no more XCWís...

Stanchions are irrelevant, purely related to possible travel. With less travel more stanchion would be in the fork itself.

Springs are easy peasy.

Buy some OTS forks and shocks and youíre set. But the feet are the problem.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: AfricaOffroad on June 25, 2018, 03:10:31 pm
Got loaned a 790 duke today while my 1290 went in for a service.
Damn, that thing has a proper motor, was shocked how strong and angry it is.
Got great bottom end but takes off when you rev it.
Motor makes the bike feel very agile.
If the Adventure inherits similar traits it's going to be an awesome all rounder.
I predict big sales, will attract many 1190/1290 owners, opposition better up their game.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on June 25, 2018, 03:53:44 pm
I predict big sales, will attract many 1190/1290 owners, opposition better up their game.

I can see it too.  As I get older the big power of the 1190 is no longer that much of an attraction to me.  Never really open it up anymore so this would be a nice and no doubt lighter alternative.  Maybe this and a 500?  Not a bad thought.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 27, 2018, 12:58:56 pm
Some official damage control.

https://press.ktm.com/News_Detail.aspx?id=68481&menueid=3050&l=international


"For extreme travel enduro riding, the KTM 790 ADVENTURE R will be a street bike with serious offroad capabilities and unrivaled performance in its segment. Full details of the bike will be revealed at EICMA, Milan on November 6, 2018."


I see the latest KTM buzzword is "travel enduro"

Note the part I have put in bold ...  sounds like BMW talking about the GS310  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 27, 2018, 01:03:52 pm
Some official damage control.

https://press.ktm.com/News_Detail.aspx?id=68481&menueid=3050&l=international


"For extreme travel enduro riding, the KTM 790 ADVENTURE R will be a street bike with serious offroad capabilities and unrivaled performance in its segment. Full details of the bike will be revealed at EICMA, Milan on November 6, 2018."


I see the latest KTM buzzword is "travel enduro"

Note the part I have put in bold ...  sounds like BMW talking about the GS310  :imaposer:

ď...Fully adjustable...with long travelĒ

You wouldnít mention that if it were the same as the 1290R...

Yes those words you highlighted also put me off.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 27, 2018, 01:07:15 pm
YES!!!  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Low seat height for ultimate control in all situations
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 27, 2018, 01:07:56 pm
YES!!!  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Low seat height for ultimate control in all situations

Haha


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 27, 2018, 02:10:29 pm
Funny how in the past seat height has been for the average rider and the short-asses can buy low seats ... now they are telling us they are catering for the vertically challenged ED rider... and the rest of you can go buy a taller seat from our premium priced Powerparts catalogue.  :o ::) .
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 27, 2018, 02:12:08 pm
Dom you seem to be convincing yourself not to like this bike  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 27, 2018, 02:24:58 pm
Dom you seem to be convincing yourself not to like this bike  :pot:

Ja in some ways  :lol8:  - originally I was very gung-ho and wanted to be on the top of the waiting list. The more I see now the more flaccid my response  ???  But I will wait and see what actually comes out the sausage machine at Eicma. My guess is very close to what we are seeing now rather than the pimped prototype we saw last year. My worry is that what many have wanted is a proper middleweight DS bike and what is actually happening in the T7 and 790 is a light heavyweight "travel enduro" bike.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on June 28, 2018, 07:45:23 am
Some specs slowly being released and a few new pics
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 08:01:16 am
Got to love the tube jammed in between the exhaust and frame and held in place with cable ties and bloudraad.  ::)  Wonder what was rattling loose, cannot believe it was there for storage?  :biggrin:  Imagine if it comes loose and jams in the back wheel!

Great marketing pic to have out on social media, KTM.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 28, 2018, 08:35:18 am
Ugly one T7 for me please !
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on June 28, 2018, 08:36:49 am
http://www.mcnews.com.au/ktm-790-adventure-r-in-the-wild/

https://newatlas.com/ktm-790-adventure-prototype/55236/

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on June 28, 2018, 08:57:12 am

Cant have your bread buttered both sides.
You have two basic questions. Must it be a twin or a single?

If it is a twin, I cant see it being done lighter and better than what they are doing with the 790.
Longer travel suspension will make it way to high and make the handling clumsy, like balancing a penny-farthing. Just try imagine a 800GS with 300mm travel suspension. It sounds great, but in reality a tall heavy twin is not practical.


Take any of the creature comforts away and you have no reason to sit on a twin anymore anyway. Then just buy the 701 or even 500.

Honestly cant understand what everyone is complaining about. I agree the look of the bike is horrible, but it is a prototype. Remember how everyone screamed when they first saw the 1190 prototype. That will change.

At least KTM is doing something about this segment, and I can guarantee you it will be worlds ahead of the fucking boring 800GS. You all wining like a bunch of old ladies and basing it on assumptions.

I for one think it is great that KTM is testing their machine and not afraid to show the world what they are working on
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 28, 2018, 09:09:01 am
Net so  :thumleft:

I do hope they do an Enduro version too with a small tank though. Not that it would be the one I'd want but just to shut the HP2 folk up  :pot:

The Yamaha is the better looking bike no question but I don't buy a bike because of the way it looks. I never even did a sticker kit on my 690 when it was in rally trim. It was purely for function. Maybe it's easy to say because it's so damn ugly but this bike looks 100% function
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 09:50:27 am
Net so  :thumleft:

I do hope they do an Enduro version too with a small tank though. Not that it would be the one I'd want but just to shut the HP2 folk up  :pot:


Instead of a "travel enduro... street bike with serious offroad capabilities" we want a  HP2 and SE eater with a small tank - I will pass this R&D suggestion on to Chris  :imaposer:

I am not saying I would never buy one - never say never.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on June 28, 2018, 10:12:56 am
Net so  :thumleft:

I do hope they do an Enduro version too with a small tank though. Not that it would be the one I'd want but just to shut the HP2 folk up  :pot:


Instead of a "travel enduro... street bike with serious offroad capabilities" we want a  HP2 and SE eater with a small tank - I will pass this R&D suggestion on to Chris  :imaposer:

I am not saying I would never buy one - never say never.

And when they make it we can all complain about the tank size and high seat   :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 10:24:45 am
Net so  :thumleft:

I do hope they do an Enduro version too with a small tank though. Not that it would be the one I'd want but just to shut the HP2 folk up  :pot:


Instead of a "travel enduro... street bike with serious offroad capabilities" we want a  HP2 and SE eater with a small tank - I will pass this R&D suggestion on to Chris  :imaposer:

I am not saying I would never buy one - never say never.

And when they make it we can all complain about the tank size and high seat   :imaposer:

Exactly - we are such a bunch of miserable demanding consumers. :lol8: I think the challenge is that they know there is a niche middleweight market but they need to be able to spread the niche (joy  ;D) to ensure enough sales. So a street bike can mutate to become a serious travel enduro, and a serious travel enduro can shape shift to become a super enduro dual sport howsyourfather adventure dirtbaaik. It is the latter that I want.  :lol8: Just saying, not praying.  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: KTMjedi on June 28, 2018, 11:02:31 am
Honestly they have missed the mark for me.... That headlight looks like and after thought bolted on out of the parts bin. From the front the bike looks like a chick with thunder thighs .... it just does nothing for me. I was looking forward to a Rally style inspired dual sport bike and not this ..... don't actually know what inspired its design.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 28, 2018, 11:28:26 am
Honestly they have missed the mark for me.... That headlight looks like and after thought bolted on out of the parts bin. From the front the bike looks like a chick with thunder thighs .... it just does nothing for me. I was looking forward to a Rally style inspired dual sport bike and not this ..... don't actually know what inspired its design.
Europe's tar roads
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on June 28, 2018, 12:25:56 pm
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Noneking on June 28, 2018, 06:56:52 pm
Sure sounds lekker!   :ricky: :ricky:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tommy Transalp on June 28, 2018, 07:08:42 pm
Headlight looks like Praying Mantis eyes.... ::) :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 07:20:45 pm

Sure sounds lekker!   :ricky: :ricky:


I must have had my earplugs in  :imaposer:  Sounded wussy to me (nothing an Akro would not fix) but certainly nice and smooth and quick revving.
Excuse me but I am going to go back to my book.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on June 28, 2018, 07:55:42 pm
Sure sounds lekker!   :ricky: :ricky:



Duke klink great selfs met die stock pyp. Het actually oorweeg om ín duke te koop in tussen so baie het ek hom geniet. Ek weet klaar ek gaan die ADV ook love
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 07:59:40 pm
Yes the Duke 790 with stock pipe sounds great - admittedly it was also decatted.  >:D  And I must say the stock pipe is also very nicely designed.  :thumleft: Impressive pocket rocket.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 09:31:12 pm
ChrisB showboating a bit for the camera during a water break in Sardinia.  :ricky:

https://youtu.be/9dY3Wu3ykWg
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 28, 2018, 09:38:08 pm
More detail from Greek presentation etc.

http://maschine.com.au/ktm-790-adventure-r-the-most-hotly-anticipated-adventure-bike-of-2019/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Mapog on June 28, 2018, 11:23:29 pm
Ek dink KTM moet van hul huidige stiliste onslae raak.
Goeie donner dit is n lelike ding die.
Moet seker baie goed wees, want mooi is dit nie.
Hooflig lyk soos n robotkoppie wat daar gemaak staan is...?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on June 29, 2018, 12:50:26 am
More detail from Greek presentation etc.

http://maschine.com.au/ktm-790-adventure-r-the-most-hotly-anticipated-adventure-bike-of-2019/

Thanks for these little treasures!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on June 29, 2018, 03:57:06 pm
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on June 30, 2018, 08:34:03 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 30, 2018, 09:07:21 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2018, 10:10:50 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.

A mate of mine upgraded from an 1190 adv R to a 1290 adv R and he says the 1290 is significantly better. In all respects.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2018, 10:24:16 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.

A mate of mine upgraded from an 1190 adv R to a 1290 adv R and he says the 1290 is significantly better. In all respects.

Is it then also lighter? More economical?  :pot:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on June 30, 2018, 10:32:43 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.

A mate of mine upgraded from an 1190 adv R to a 1290 adv R and he says the 1290 is significantly better. In all respects.

I guess it depends on the "respects" one considers important to one. Unfortunately imo the soft Euro and American 'GS lifestyle' type rider is the tail wagging the dog (read market/sales), resulting in heavier, tech weighty, less adventure orientated, street tourers masquerading as macho DS adventure bikes.   ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2018, 02:26:43 pm
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.

A mate of mine upgraded from an 1190 adv R to a 1290 adv R and he says the 1290 is significantly better. In all respects.

I guess it depends on the "respects" one considers important to one. Unfortunately imo the soft Euro and American 'GS lifestyle' type rider is the tail wagging the dog (read market/sales), resulting in heavier tech heavy less adventure orientated street tourers masquerading as macho DS adventure bikes.   ::)

Oh, and I forgot to mention that he'll be doing the roof for maybe the 8th time this year.....

One thing that has everything to do with everything is what kinda bike a person can afford. Me, I like simple because it's all I can afford right now.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
"What kind of bike one can afford"

This seems often to be more of a problem, where Johnny should be on a light, less powerful bike, but that may make it seem like he cannot afford brand heavy. :eek7:

So he buys brand heavy, to impress financially, and his struggles commence.

A recent rule of thumb off the top of my head survey suggests that up to 70% of riders are on the wrong bike, for whatever reason. :snorting:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on June 30, 2018, 07:05:12 pm
"What kind of bike one can afford"

This seems often to be more of a problem, where Johnny should be on a light, less powerful bike, but that may make it seem like he cannot afford brand heavy. :eek7:

So he buys brand heavy, to impress financially, and his struggles commence.

A recent rule of thumb off the top of my head survey suggests that up to 70% of riders are on the wrong bike, for whatever reason. :snorting:

Many a true word. Possibly north of 70%.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 01, 2018, 10:22:57 am
  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 01, 2018, 10:44:43 am
  ;)

Who is that skinny 'boorgat spook' 3rd from the right? That's not a biker!

Like the grippy seat btw!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 01, 2018, 10:53:15 am
  ;)

Who is that skinny 'boorgat spook' 3rd from the right? That's not a biker!


Ja they trying to teach that lange how to ride dertbaaik  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 01, 2018, 10:58:39 am
  ;)

Like the grippy seat btw!


ja probably going to be a spendy rally PowerPart - high seat. The black stealth bike has a stepped smoothy korgat touring seat by the looks of it  ::)

PS: I still think this version is velly sexi  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on July 01, 2018, 11:00:41 am
I'm so torn between jumping to a 1290 and waiting on this thing.

It could be epic, but it could be pretty shit too.

Seeing that you have the 1190 now I would imagine that the 1290 is merely an improved and more powerful version of what you have now.  In other words, kind of the same but shinier.  The 790 will be quite different.  As I get older and the big power appeal begins to wane somewhat I think the 790 is getting more and more attractive.

By all accounts the 1190 is a far more capable adventure bike and with less rider assist crap to go wrong  (ask Chris Birch). The 1290 imho is a superbike pimped with rider assist tech to be an adventure touring bike. I agree the 790 is premised on a completely different design brief and hopefully will not disappoint.

My problem is I donít agree. The 1290 just has quick shifter and that hill hold start story, otherwise the rider aids are pretty much identical to the 1190.  Much the same frame, basically the same weight, same fuel capacity etc.  the new stuff is the screen and Bluetooth etc. ok the suspension is supposed to be better but I couldnít feel a difference on the test ride.

My 1190 is just going out of warranty, so I felt it was the right time to checkout something new, but I canít get myself to pay nearly 100k extra for just a few little changes.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 01, 2018, 11:02:28 am
Ja a 100K iPad and handbrake is a bit much  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 01, 2018, 11:04:29 am
  ;)

Who is that skinny 'boorgat spook' 3rd from the right? That's not a biker!


I see him here as well ... must be the camp captain  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 03, 2018, 07:56:28 am
https://www.facebook.com/MotorcycleNews/videos/10156156795118855/

Walkaround the Prototype 2. This is the pimped EICMA 2017 bike. The blacked out one in Sardinia is Prototype 3 - probably closer to production spec.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 03, 2018, 09:34:33 am
This is gonna be a great bike I think! Even if it looks like a pregnant gappi! :lol8:

Those side tanks need some crashbars, one sharp rock and its the end of your trip..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on July 03, 2018, 02:09:20 pm
This is gonna be a great bike I think! Even if it looks like a pregnant gappi! :lol8:

Those side tanks need some crashbars, one sharp rock and its the end of your trip..

Not necessarily.  If they are made from the same material as the Safari tanks then they will be just fine.  And hopefully that is so as crashbars are extra weight and always ugly.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 03, 2018, 02:18:30 pm
This is gonna be a great bike I think! Even if it looks like a pregnant gappi! :lol8:

Those side tanks need some crashbars, one sharp rock and its the end of your trip..

Not necessarily.  If they are made from the same material as the Safari tanks then they will be just fine.  And hopefully that is so as crashbars are extra weight and always ugly.

True! These okes are not stupid!

It looks really lightweight for me. My guess is nothing more than 170kg dry, maybe a little less..(hopefully)

Its almost naked, nothing except tanks and the necessary..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: volroom on July 04, 2018, 07:06:07 am
the whole tank thing is a radical innovation, one wonders if they really discovered something that works. trying to make sense how they justify it looking like it does...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 04, 2018, 07:35:22 am
the whole tank thing is a radical innovation, one wonders if they really discovered something that works. trying to make sense how they justify it looking like it does...

To get COG low. They have slung tanks low on their bigger adv bikes before ... maybe not so bulbous ...  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 04, 2018, 08:37:21 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 04, 2018, 08:58:54 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.

True - it will I believe also have a new ABS and "next generation" rider assist technology and TST dash. Strange that it then also has a cable clutch? :o   
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 04, 2018, 09:01:44 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.
May mean 200kg weight, maybe bit less.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 04, 2018, 11:37:05 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.

True - it will I believe also have a new ABS and "next generation" rider assist technology and TST dash. Strange that it then also has a cable clutch? :o

For now the only thing that really bothers me about this bike
WHYYYYYYY  :BangHead:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on July 04, 2018, 11:57:51 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.

True - it will I believe also have a new ABS and "next generation" rider assist technology and TST dash. Strange that it then also has a cable clutch? :o

For now the only thing that really bothers me about this bike
WHYYYYYYY  :BangHead:

Quote:
An interesting side note Ė KTM have fitted the 790 Duke with a cable clutch instead of the more regular hydraulic clutch. This sounds like a backward step but, according to KTM, the cable clutch works better on this model. During their million hours of testing, they tried everything and said that the cable option was more reliable and easier to use. Why this is, no one knows, but no one complained about clutch trouble.
Unquote

https://thebikeshow.co.za/ktm-790-duke-2/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Poundfoolish on July 04, 2018, 12:58:35 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 04, 2018, 01:00:40 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 05, 2018, 09:34:40 am
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

Depends on how well its maintained.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 05, 2018, 09:46:10 am
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

Depends on how well its maintained.

True. The one on the Duke feels pretty easy but not cushy like an hydraulic - also remember the Duke has the slipper ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Archangel on July 05, 2018, 01:44:42 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

And easier to fix on the side of the road...  :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 05, 2018, 03:08:22 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

And easier to fix on the side of the road...  :deal:

A broken cable can be fixed with an electrical chocolate box connector.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 05, 2018, 03:53:27 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

And easier to fix on the side of the road...  :deal:

A broken cable can be fixed with an electrical chocolate box connector.

Indeed - the brass insert part.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on July 10, 2018, 12:48:01 pm
Not sure if this has been posted but I'll put it here anyway.


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Archangel on July 10, 2018, 01:32:21 pm
Personally I like the feeling of a cable clutch
I say the same for throttle cables

 :thumleft:

Also more reliable.

And easier to fix on the side of the road...  :deal:

A broken cable can be fixed with an electrical chocolate box connector.

Indeed - the brass insert part.

Exactly. Didn't know it needed to be explained, but thanks anyways...    :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 10, 2018, 01:52:01 pm
It does to me!! Even after Dan said it  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 10, 2018, 01:57:33 pm
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.
May mean 200kg weight, maybe bit less.

Are those things heavy Sidetrack?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 12, 2018, 05:53:39 pm
Not sure if this has been posted but I'll put it here anyway.



Nice

Still the testing model with Akro and roadbook.

Interesting that the low tanks are protected with steel plates. Really like that as opposed to the common crash bars.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 12, 2018, 07:52:12 pm


Nice

Still the testing model with Akro and roadbook.

Interesting that the low tanks are protected with steel plates. Really like that as opposed to the common crash bars.
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 20, 2018, 11:58:11 am
I see there are spy shots out of a 790 Duke R. Fully adjustable suspension, Brembo calipers, oversize rotors. Wonder if the Adventure will go the same direction with multiple spec levels.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 20, 2018, 12:19:10 pm
I see there are spy shots out of a 790 Duke R. Fully adjustable suspension, Brembo calipers, oversize rotors. Wonder if the Adventure will go the same direction with multiple spec levels.

Two to start with as I understand - R and S but lots of Power Part options I believe ... more money for KTM ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: kfc4unme on July 20, 2018, 05:07:16 pm
I see there are spy shots out of a 790 Duke R. Fully adjustable suspension, Brembo calipers, oversize rotors. Wonder if the Adventure will go the same direction with multiple spec levels.
Got a link to the R Duke?

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 21, 2018, 05:37:18 am
I see there are spy shots out of a 790 Duke R. Fully adjustable suspension, Brembo calipers, oversize rotors. Wonder if the Adventure will go the same direction with multiple spec levels.
Got a link to the R Duke?

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https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2018/july/2019-ktm-790-duke-r-information
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 21, 2018, 07:11:32 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.

True - it will I believe also have a new ABS and "next generation" rider assist technology and TST dash. Strange that it then also has a cable clutch? :o

For now the only thing that really bothers me about this bike
WHYYYYYYY  :BangHead:

What bothers you about it?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Ian Bean on July 21, 2018, 01:32:26 pm
Will the 790 have tubeless wheels?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 21, 2018, 02:16:52 pm
Will the 790 have tubeless wheels?

No.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 22, 2018, 06:51:31 pm
Will the 790 have tubeless wheels?
Hope not!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 23, 2018, 10:15:11 am
Im surprised its got twin discs up front.

True - it will I believe also have a new ABS and "next generation" rider assist technology and TST dash. Strange that it then also has a cable clutch? :o

For now the only thing that really bothers me about this bike
WHYYYYYYY  :BangHead:

What bothers you about it?

Because why go from a hydraulic clutch backward to the 1990s?
The feel of the cable clutch worsens with age while the hydraulic remains constant and no adjusting or cleaning or replacing.
Makes no sense, unless it is to save $$$. And even then I dont agree with it

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 23, 2018, 11:52:02 am
Couldn't agree less about the cable v hydraulic clutch story. All the additional hassle and expense of bleeding, overhauling and eventually having to replace hydraulic cylinders. Same applies to cable v electronic throttle operation, and many things besides. Simple and basic will always be better.

And as for those bulbous low slung side tanks - well, I mean, who the hell wants to ride a bike with great big lumps projecting out the sides? Ridiculous!  :peepwall: :snorting: :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on July 23, 2018, 12:14:16 pm
Will the 790 have tubeless wheels?
Hope not!
Everyone wants tubeless. Why do you prefer tubes?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 23, 2018, 12:21:48 pm
Def prefer tubes thanks :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 23, 2018, 12:29:58 pm
Couldn't agree less about the cable v hydraulic clutch story. All the additional hassle and expense of bleeding, overhauling and eventually having to replace hydraulic cylinders. Same applies to cable v electronic throttle operation, and many things besides. Simple and basic will always be better.

Have you seen the wiring diagram of the 1200GS. It is very simple and basic....

(http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/resources/6795/assets/images/FAQs/GPS/Power/gps_aux_connector_electrical_diagram1.jpg)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ETS on July 23, 2018, 12:36:59 pm
Def prefer tubes thanks :thumleft:

Why?????
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 23, 2018, 12:43:26 pm
Mainly due to the modern bike rims being so soft, a nice smiley and you cant hold air with tubeless and most of the fancy new electronics also have sensors for tyre pressure in the rim making fitting a tube in the case of tyre cut/ dinged rim a mission!   
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 23, 2018, 04:59:54 pm
Oh dear, here I go getting all boring and old fashioned again, but is there a valid reason why modern bike rims have to be so soft?  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 23, 2018, 05:07:37 pm
Couldn't agree less about the cable v hydraulic clutch story. All the additional hassle and expense of bleeding, overhauling and eventually having to replace hydraulic cylinders. Same applies to cable v electronic throttle operation, and many things besides. Simple and basic will always be better.

Have you seen the wiring diagram of the 1200GS. It is very simple and basic....

(http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/resources/6795/assets/images/FAQs/GPS/Power/gps_aux_connector_electrical_diagram1.jpg)




Point taken about the wiring diagram being simple and basic. But what's it have to do with hydraulic systems, or the linear motors/modules, or whatever it is that operates a RBW throttle?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 23, 2018, 05:47:36 pm
Couldn't agree less about the cable v hydraulic clutch story. All the additional hassle and expense of bleeding, overhauling and eventually having to replace hydraulic cylinders. Same applies to cable v electronic throttle operation, and many things besides. Simple and basic will always be better.

Have you seen the wiring diagram of the 1200GS. It is very simple and basic....

(http://www.motorcycleinfo.co.uk/resources/6795/assets/images/FAQs/GPS/Power/gps_aux_connector_electrical_diagram1.jpg)
It says heated grips, socket diagram not the diagram for the whole bike including lights - flickers - regulator- stator etc ?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 24, 2018, 08:59:22 am
It says heated grips, socket diagram not the diagram for the whole bike including lights - flickers - regulator- stator etc ?

Think there was more than one of these. But the point is that it looks far more simplistic than that of old school wiring. 

Point taken about the wiring diagram being simple and basic. But what's it have to do with hydraulic systems, or the linear motors/modules, or whatever it is that operates a RBW throttle?

Point is that more simplistic stuff is not always better.  Many would say they prefer the old school wiring above that of the 1200GS wiring.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 24, 2018, 09:00:20 am
There is a reason why most bikes moved away from cable clutches to hydraulic clutches.  Has KTM done anything different to make the cable better again?
I doubt it. Probably just easier for the bush mechanic or maybe cost saving.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 24, 2018, 09:19:47 am
When you simply consider maintenance (not feel or self adjustability) a decent cable clutch will likely last 8 years plus or 80 000km  without any issue, if my CRF450X and F800GS are any indication.  My 2 KTMs (300 and 690) needed at least yearly maintenance and both needed seal replacements within 2 years of ownership.  The current batch of 450/500 Huskies lasts 2 months before the hydraulic clutch (Magura) needs seal replacement.

A damaged master or slave will cost between R1000 and R2500.  A clutch cable is R200 for a Motion Pro and can be fitted quicker than rebuilding and bleeding a slave.

So, its not such a simple decision.  For MX, the self-adjustability of the hydraulic clutched is a major plus factor.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 24, 2018, 09:26:09 am
When you simply consider maintenance (not feel or self adjustability) a decent cable clutch will likely last 8 years plus or 80 000km  without any issue, if my CRF450X and F800GS are any indication.  My 2 KTMs (300 and 690) needed at least yearly maintenance and both needed seal replacements within 2 years of ownership.  The current batch of 450/500 Huskies lasts 2 months before the hydraulic clutch (Magura) needs seal replacement.

A damaged master or slave will cost between R1000 and R2500.  A clutch cable is R200 for a Motion Pro and can be fitted quicker than rebuilding and bleeding a slave.

So, its not such a simple decision.  For MX, the self-adjustability of the hydraulic clutched is a major plus factor.

You are comparing DS with enduro bikes here.
And I get the low cost easy maintenance thing. Just dont think it belongs on something like the 790 ADV.
If thats your thing, get a KLR ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 24, 2018, 09:30:00 am
When you simply consider maintenance (not feel or self adjustability) a decent cable clutch will likely last 8 years plus or 80 000km  without any issue, if my CRF450X and F800GS are any indication.  My 2 KTMs (300 and 690) needed at least yearly maintenance and both needed seal replacements within 2 years of ownership.  The current batch of 450/500 Huskies lasts 2 months before the hydraulic clutch (Magura) needs seal replacement.

A damaged master or slave will cost between R1000 and R2500.  A clutch cable is R200 for a Motion Pro and can be fitted quicker than rebuilding and bleeding a slave.

So, its not such a simple decision.  For MX, the self-adjustability of the hydraulic clutched is a major plus factor.

I agree that a cable has less maintenance and is cheaper.  Although I have never had any problems with clutches or required any maintenance on any of my bikes.

If I look to buy a bike like the 790 I am not looking at cheaper maintenance. My criteria would be for performance such as lighter bike, better suspension and a cable clutch does not fit in with that picture.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 09:34:23 am
The Cable Clutch thing is a travesty. If the bike is launched with a cable clutch I wouldnít get one - Or Iíd have a hydraulic conversion done at R12k.

Looking at the whole reliability argument - Why does it need to last 40000kmís? Iíve never had a hydraulic clutch fail me. EVER. On all my Enduro bikes and big bikes. 700-1500 hous of hard enduro and a hydraulic clutch has NEVER failed me. And I suspect many others havenít either. Who cares if seals need to be done at 5000kmís, you need to have the bike checked after every trip anyway. All this drama just to save R1000 every 5000kmís when youíre buying a R180k bike...

The biggest gripe for me on the AT was that they launched it with a Cable Clutch that: feels cheap, looks cheap and is cheap. It simply does not belong on a 180k offroad bike that is positioned as premium.

If reliability is the driver, how many components on this bike should actually be replaced with something else or completely omitted?

Simply does not make sense.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 09:41:17 am
This better either be:

1. A powerparts option; or
2. Something that will be fitted to the ďRĒ version (Unlikely though)

This is KTM ďWeíre building the ultimate dual piston adventure bike with performance and weight to match, something for the adventurer thatís looking for a thrill... and weíre fitting an 18foertsek cable clutch to it to improve reliability even though we have a liquid cooled, electronic laden bike with a million other less reliable partsĒ

Boggles my mind frankly.

Just the look of a cable clutch makes me think of a pit bike.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 24, 2018, 10:01:03 am
Okay, I know I'm not the cleverest dunce in the class, but I must be even thicker than I thought because I just don't get this 'logic' at all.

Why does anyone want to spend good money and time overhauling hydraulics when they don't have to. Simply so that they can pay more for their bike when they can have exactly the same practical result, or better, for less?

Dumb though I am, I like to think that I can distinguish between genuine improvement through modern innovation, development and evolution on the one hand, and pointless sophistication merely for it's own sake on the other.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 10:08:38 am
Okay, I know I'm not the cleverest dunce in the class, but I must be even thicker than I thought because I just don't get this 'logic' at all.

Why does anyone want to spend good money and time overhauling hydraulics when they don't have to. Simply so that they can pay more for their bike when they can have exactly the same practical result, or better, for less?

Dumb though I am, I like to think that I can distinguish between genuine improvement through modern innovation, development and evolution on the one hand, and pointless sophistication merely for it's own sake on the other.

The answer lies in the degree of PRACTICAL RESULT

Most of what is on the bike can be practically achieved with something simpler and more reliable.

If practical result was the objective, bikes would not look, perform and feel the way they do today. Yes both engages and disengages the clutch, but the one does it better.

What defines better? Easier, more controlled, better feeling with much more modulation. Why donít we still use cable brakes? It achieves the same practical result? The one just does it better.

Very few things were NOT considered pointless sophistication, aspects we now consider to be crucial.

Sure when I spend 60k on a KLR, I donít want to spend R2500 overhauling the clutch (this is massively exaggerated though) - But on a premium bike that is built for ďthat bit extraĒ performance, weight reduction and handling - Something that seems insignificant to the KLR guy is significant to the ďthat bit extraĒ guy.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 10:12:42 am
And to be fair, I donít think I have ever needed overhaul a hydraulic clutch... The hydraulic clutches on KTMís are ridiculously reliable. Yes there are exceptions, but hell, cable clutch on a premium PERFORMANCE bike.

Nee wat ek koop sommer n donnerse f800, darem gaan die res van die fiets by die clutch pas!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 10:50:27 am
I tend to agree - yes cable clutches are practical and reliable but as said KTM's hydraulic clutches are pretty bullet proof - and proved extensively in a variety of motorsport competition from extreme hard enduro to rally to mx to road race. The point regarding  putting other "next generation" technology on the bike but retaining the cable clutch is baffling. One is going to have an iPad dash and all sorts of rider assist stuff but a dark-ages clutch. Really is WTF? I think it is simply driven by cost of engine and component manufacture and has nothing to do with reliability.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 24, 2018, 10:51:45 am
Okay, I know I'm not the cleverest dunce in the class, but I must be even thicker than I thought because I just don't get this 'logic' at all.

Why does anyone want to spend good money and time overhauling hydraulics when they don't have to. Simply so that they can pay more for their bike when they can have exactly the same practical result, or better, for less?

Dumb though I am, I like to think that I can distinguish between genuine improvement through modern innovation, development and evolution on the one hand, and pointless sophistication merely for it's own sake on the other.

Why would you buy a Porche and pay extra for servicing when you can achieve the same practical result with a Toyota Corolla (or maybe a Toyota 86 if the result is sporty performance)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 10:58:17 am
How many cars still have cable clutches?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 24, 2018, 11:02:52 am
#CableClutchesMustFall 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on July 24, 2018, 11:17:20 am
#CableClutchesMustFall

You boys are living in la-la land. Have any of you ever heard of an Oberon clutch slave cylinder?

Or boiling clutch fluid?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 24, 2018, 11:48:57 am
Why would you buy a Porche and pay extra for servicing when you can achieve the same practical result with a Toyota Corolla (or maybe a Toyota 86 if the result is sporty performance)

A Toyota 86 is about as sporty as a wheelbarrow.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: w@nted on July 24, 2018, 11:53:12 am
Oberon clutch slaves for the win. Lifetime guarantee :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 24, 2018, 12:04:52 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 24, 2018, 12:06:54 pm
And to be fair, I donít think I have ever needed overhaul a hydraulic clutch... The hydraulic clutches on KTMís are ridiculously reliable. Yes there are exceptions, but hell, cable clutch on a premium PERFORMANCE bike.

Nee wat ek koop sommer n donnerse f800, darem gaan die res van die fiets by die clutch pas!


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Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 24, 2018, 12:29:45 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 12:45:54 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:
Says the guy who had to ride a DR to finish a trip when some fancy euro machine left him stranded  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 12:46:07 pm
And to be fair, I donít think I have ever needed overhaul a hydraulic clutch... The hydraulic clutches on KTMís are ridiculously reliable. Yes there are exceptions, but hell, cable clutch on a premium PERFORMANCE bike.

Nee wat ek koop sommer n donnerse f800, darem gaan die res van die fiets by die clutch pas!


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Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

The same can be said for other parts that have cost riders their races, which is also a more ďadvancedĒ version of a component previously used.

If you have an air cooled bike there are no radiators to damage, if you have a 2 stroke there are no valves to bend etc etc.

To be fair in a situation like that I get that the consequence of failure is dire, and repair possibility minimal - But how many DID NOT fail, and how many bikes that have done tours and races did make it in spite of the clutch slaves?

Iím quite certain though KTM did not opt for a cable clutch for reliability reasons. Why have an iPad for a screen with masses of rider aids if you are concerned with reliability. Iím sure KTM will spin the cable clutch reliability story though, after the fact nevertheless.

It was a cost decision, which to my mind, is even less valid.

THIS is not ok:

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 24, 2018, 12:55:25 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:
Says the guy who had to ride a DR to finish a trip when some fancy euro machine left him stranded  :peepwall:

You are not wrong, and obviously a DR could outrun a lion and reliably so but for the most part, you'd wish it had rather caught you  :lol8:

To be fair to the euro machines, the one on the trip had issues before departure. My 690 would've been as reliable as it has been for the last 4 years.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on July 24, 2018, 12:56:13 pm
 ::) ::) :lol8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 12:59:22 pm
If youíve been on bikes with hydraulic clutches, and haven been so for ages - I challenge you to go and pull a cable clutch. It feels horrible.

This will be on order:

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 24, 2018, 01:07:39 pm
::) ::) :lol8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

The only thing that can lead to a drop in AT sales is if it ceased to exist and even then it will still be a close affair  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 01:13:08 pm
I have to say My clutch on my AT feels fine and in fact I feel better connected to the clutch system. It definitely does not feel horrible. Would any other AT owners comment on this.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 24, 2018, 01:21:15 pm
As the 790 will get a cable clutch standard whether you prefer it not, I think we should rather just pick on the AT and DR owners. They are defenceless.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 01:26:23 pm
The 790 is a adventure bike not a enduro where you work the clutch constantly and require a light pull. Cable will be just fine.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 01:35:44 pm
The 790 is a adventure bike not a enduro where you work the clutch constantly and require a light pull. Cable will be just fine.


ďJust fineĒ is not what I have in mind when spending R180k on a bike, and ďjust fineĒ doesnít mix well with ďready to raceĒ

Rather give me 90hp and a hydraulic clutch than MTC and 1900ís clutch technology.

But as BTB says, thatís the way it will be and we should deal with it.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 01:38:19 pm
I have to say My clutch on my AT feels fine and in fact I feel better connected to the clutch system. It definitely does not feel horrible. Would any other AT owners comment on this.

When I first got on an AT I still specifically looked at the clutch to see what the hell was going on, and I didnít know it came with a cable clutch, and to my surprise it was in fact a cable clutch that prompted my investigation of the lever.

Canít deal.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on July 24, 2018, 01:39:15 pm
The 790 is a adventure bike not a enduro where you work the clutch constantly and require a light pull. Cable will be just fine.

Finally, some common sense.  Give the man a bells!!

Seriously, there's nothing wrong with the cable and if it KTM budgeting means that you can retain good suspension but ditch the hydraulic clutch to get the price point right, then that makes sense. It's after all, not an enduro bike where arm pump is a major concern.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 24, 2018, 01:51:50 pm
Whether it has cable or hydraulic is of absolutely no consequence to me
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 24, 2018, 01:57:14 pm
Whether it has cable or hydraulic is of absolutely no consequence to me
You mean you'll buy it just because it's orange?

I agree.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: funky_munky on July 24, 2018, 02:05:51 pm
My 690 has a hydrolic Clutch, My AT has a cable clutch, both work. Am i worried about them - no. they do the same job.

The AT may cost more than the 690, but then it is a bigger bike. it has some fancy stuff that makes riding it easier / safer. but then I wont be taking my "fancy" bike where my 690 is going to go.

Do I care much as to what type of clutch the 790 is going to come out with - nope. Do i want to ride it  - hell yes. It could come with a suicide shift - ok thats a bit extreme, but i would still want to see how it rides.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 02:09:53 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:
Says the guy who had to ride a DR to finish a trip when some fancy euro machine left him stranded  :peepwall:

You are not wrong, and obviously a DR could outrun a lion and reliably so but for the most part, you'd wish it had rather caught you  :lol8:

To be fair to the euro machines, the one on the trip had issues before departure. My 690 would've been as reliable as it has been for the last 4 years.

And the one he was riding had a cable clutch - true story  :3some:
Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 02:11:28 pm
What I do find interesting, and not in a sarcastic way, is how some people differ about the topic - To me it really is a big deal, and others are really quite indifferent about whether a bike comes with a cable clutch or not.

A similar ďthingĒ I have is with Electronic Parking brakes in a car - Iím not talking about a Bakkie or something practical, but a nice modern two/four door car. I donít want to see that massive lever when Iím spending 500k-700k on a car. Just makes it look cheap.

Sure a catapult lever does the same thing in essence, but hell, not when Iím spending that type of money.

The 3 and 4 series BMWís come with manual lever parking brakes - Immediate put off for me.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 02:11:38 pm
::) ::) :lol8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 24, 2018, 02:37:55 pm
The Cable Clutch thing is a travesty. If the bike is launched with a cable clutch I wouldnít get one - Or Iíd have a hydraulic conversion done at R12k.

Looking at the whole reliability argument - Why does it need to last 40000kmís? Iíve never had a hydraulic clutch fail me. EVER. On all my Enduro bikes and big bikes. 700-1500 hous of hard enduro and a hydraulic clutch has NEVER failed me. And I suspect many others havenít either. Who cares if seals need to be done at 5000kmís, you need to have the bike checked after every trip anyway. All this drama just to save R1000 every 5000kmís when youíre buying a R180k bike...

The biggest gripe for me on the AT was that they launched it with a Cable Clutch that: feels cheap, looks cheap and is cheap. It simply does not belong on a 180k offroad bike that is positioned as premium.

If reliability is the driver, how many components on this bike should actually be replaced with something else or completely omitted?

Simply does not make sense.


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Buddy. I have had Hydraulic clutch failure on a bike. More than once in fact. I can ride a bike very well without one in fact under normal riding I only use the clutch when stopping and pulling off. If I have to I can do that clutch less too.

I state this on because of what I am going to say now. If a hydraulic system fails in the most inhospitable place you can imagine YOU ARE FUCKED. With a cable you can make a plan using among other things a simple wire joiner.

Simple equation

Old school = fixable
Ultra modern = someone on call for pick up

So until I have the CIA on call to lift me out of a foreign country give me old school so I can get myself out.

Obviously I am going to be shouted down by those that think or "KNOW"  different so here is the magic. The above is all IMHO!  :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 24, 2018, 02:40:27 pm
How many cars still have cable clutches?

Totally different system and therefore application boet.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 24, 2018, 02:41:55 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:

Got you through Namibia if I recollect!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 24, 2018, 02:50:21 pm
Correct TJ, I clearly can recall 1 x Ginga Ninja clutchless(KTM 690) half way up Old Mill Route and walking :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on July 24, 2018, 02:50:45 pm
What I do find interesting, and not in a sarcastic way, is how some people differ about the topic - To me it really is a big deal, and others are really quite indifferent about whether a bike comes with a cable clutch or not.

A similar ďthingĒ I have is with Electronic Parking brakes in a car - Iím not talking about a Bakkie or something practical, but a nice modern two/four door car. I donít want to see that massive lever when Iím spending 500k-700k on a car. Just makes it look cheap.

Sure a catapult lever does the same thing in essence, but hell, not when Iím spending that type of money.

The 3 and 4 series BMWís come with manual lever parking brakes - Immediate put off for me.


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I think it would be more pertinent to suggest indifference specifically with regards to adventure bikes. For an adventure bike I'm indifferent but for an enduro bike, a Hydraulic clutch has a very clear advantage because of the amount of usage and hence would be my preference by far.

Similar argument when you drive heavy traffic in a car and hence an auto is a big deal but for long distance driving, is an auto really such a big deal, no. Horses for courses.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 24, 2018, 02:53:46 pm
::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on July 24, 2018, 02:54:00 pm
My 690 has a hydrolic Clutch, My AT has a cable clutch, both work. Am i worried about them - no. they do the same job.

The AT may cost more than the 690, but then it is a bigger bike. it has some fancy stuff that makes riding it easier / safer. but then I wont be taking my "fancy" bike where my 690 is going to go.

Do I care much as to what type of clutch the 790 is going to come out with - nope. Do i want to ride it  - hell yes. It could come with a suicide shift - ok thats a bit extreme, but i would still want to see how it rides.

Got to agree , doesn't make a difference to me and most certainly wouldn't make or break a deal for me , both have advantages and disadvantages but if I were going through Africa then a cable clutch will work beautifully , especially with a spare cable tied to the original  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on July 24, 2018, 03:08:18 pm
::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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I thought it had two in a funny arrangement.  :sip:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 24, 2018, 03:10:40 pm


::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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I thought it had two in a funny arrangement.  :sip:

Haha. Fine. The DCT has no clutch lever, so no clutch cable. Chop.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on July 24, 2018, 03:15:02 pm


::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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I thought it had two in a funny arrangement.  :sip:

Haha. Fine. The DCT has no clutch lever, so no clutch cable. Chop.

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It's an engineer thing.  :sip:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 24, 2018, 03:16:35 pm


::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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I thought it had two in a funny arrangement.  :sip:

Haha. Fine. The DCT has no clutch lever, so no clutch cable. Chop.

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It's an engineer thing.  :sip:
It's OK. I understand. I'm a dick without being an engineer.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 03:56:00 pm
::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 04:03:40 pm
The Cable Clutch thing is a travesty. If the bike is launched with a cable clutch I wouldnít get one - Or Iíd have a hydraulic conversion done at R12k.

Looking at the whole reliability argument - Why does it need to last 40000kmís? Iíve never had a hydraulic clutch fail me. EVER. On all my Enduro bikes and big bikes. 700-1500 hous of hard enduro and a hydraulic clutch has NEVER failed me. And I suspect many others havenít either. Who cares if seals need to be done at 5000kmís, you need to have the bike checked after every trip anyway. All this drama just to save R1000 every 5000kmís when youíre buying a R180k bike...

The biggest gripe for me on the AT was that they launched it with a Cable Clutch that: feels cheap, looks cheap and is cheap. It simply does not belong on a 180k offroad bike that is positioned as premium.

If reliability is the driver, how many components on this bike should actually be replaced with something else or completely omitted?

Simply does not make sense.


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Buddy. I have had Hydraulic clutch failure on a bike. More than once in fact. I can ride a bike very well without one in fact under normal riding I only use the clutch when stopping and pulling off. If I have to I can do that clutch less too.

I state this on because of what I am going to say now. If a hydraulic system fails in the most inhospitable place you can imagine YOU ARE FUCKED. With a cable you can make a plan using among other things a simple wire joiner.

Simple equation

Old school = fixable
Ultra modern = someone on call for pick up

So until I have the CIA on call to lift me out of a foreign country give me old school so I can get myself out.

Obviously I am going to be shouted down by those that think or "KNOW"  different so here is the magic. The above is all IMHO!  :deal:

I totally agree, you are fucked, yes.

And yes I do the same, itís a bad habit, not using the clutch and timing it.

But I would rather take my chances with a hydraulic clutch than lower myself to using a cable. LoL

What have we become, animals? Next thing weíre pissing in the streets.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 04:39:19 pm
I totally agree, you are fucked, yes.

And yes I do the same, itís a bad habit, not using the clutch and timing it.

But I would rather take my chances with a hydraulic clutch than lower myself to using a cable. LoL

What have we become, animals? Next thing weíre pissing in the streets.


Personally since the drought I have found pissing in the garden just fine. Maybe Cable clutches are the way forward no fluid to waste.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 24, 2018, 04:41:35 pm
I totally agree, you are fucked, yes.

And yes I do the same, itís a bad habit, not using the clutch and timing it.

But I would rather take my chances with a hydraulic clutch than lower myself to using a cable. LoL

What have we become, animals? Next thing weíre pissing in the streets.


Personally since the drought I have found pissing in the garden just fine. Maybe Cable clutches are the way forward no fluid to waste.

;)


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 24, 2018, 05:50:05 pm
Mainly due to the modern bike rims being so soft, a nice smiley and you cant hold air with tubeless and most of the fancy new electronics also have sensors for tyre pressure in the rim making fitting a tube in the case of tyre cut/ dinged rim a mission!

Agree 1000% Serious ding on a tubeless rim will make it impossible to re-inflate the tyre. This means you have to fit a tube anyway, if you wish to continue
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 24, 2018, 08:51:51 pm
Okay then, so the question is settled. Hydraulic clutches are better, because they make the bike more expensive, are less reliable, and cost more to maintain over time.

Sorted. :thumleft:.

Now, can someone answer my previous question about why modern wheel rims are softer and damage more easily? Does the fact that they are more expensive and troublesome also make them better?  ???
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 24, 2018, 08:54:54 pm
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:

Got you through Namibia if I recollect!

Just joking around a bit of course. But the hydro clutch bikes got through just fine too. My bike wouldíve made it as well. The POS bmw I bought especially for the trip on the other hand... Itís been in the shop for 3 weeks and they still canít get it running
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 25, 2018, 08:10:17 am
Okay then, so the question is settled. Hydraulic clutches are better, because they make the bike more expensive, are less reliable, and cost more to maintain over time.

Sorted. :thumleft:.

Now, can someone answer my previous question about why modern wheel rims are softer and damage more easily? Does the fact that they are more expensive and troublesome also make them better?  ???

Because stronger rims are more expensive and heavier.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 08:10:47 am
Correct TJ, I clearly can recall 1 x Ginga Ninja clutchless(KTM 690) half way up Old Mill Route and walking :lol8:

And the 640 twice

No KTM dealerships in Lesotho highlands
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 25, 2018, 08:13:36 am
Just joking around a bit of course. But the hydro clutch bikes got through just fine too. My bike wouldíve made it as well. The POS bmw I bought especially for the trip on the other hand... Itís been in the shop for 3 weeks and they still canít get it running
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 08:16:35 am
::) ::) 8:

What a "panty-war" - and that about a simple mechanism to control a clutch!!!

Seems the mighty 790 is going to lead to a spike in AT DCT sales ...  :peepwall:

With its cable clutch as well?  :imaposer:
The DCT has no clutch.

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Not at all Dom!

That was a computer thing. The computer thought the gearbox was in neutral when it was in gear for a fall and the tip over switch activating. The computer would not allow the bike to start as a result. By rocking and or spinning the back wheel the gearbox reset to neutral allowing the computer to give a green light to start. Nothing to do with DCT "clutch" system. Computer management checks not in all ok!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 08:22:23 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 08:23:29 am
Friend of mine had a hydraulic clutch fail on the first day of Amageza.  The one that started in Kimberley. KTM 500.  Lost the slave in that 40 km dry river bed.  He kept going to Vanzylsrus and arrived late that evening but timed out.  That o-ring cost him R70 000.

Same thing could happen if you touring Botswana.  If you do not have that specific O-ring and the means to bleed it, a lion can eat you.  Might be more than R70k. 

The 790 is not a race bike.  Although it might be.  At least your clutch slave will not be the thing stranding you.

If you are on a DR the lion can eat you while you're riding flat out :peepwall:

Got you through Namibia if I recollect!

Just joking around a bit of course. But the hydro clutch bikes got through just fine too. My bike wouldíve made it as well. The POS bmw I bought especially for the trip on the other hand... Itís been in the shop for 3 weeks and they still canít get it running


To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on July 25, 2018, 08:25:23 am
KTM need to rather focus on making that clutch better that the POS butter clutch on the 690... and let's no forget the even bigger pos airbox. I've got no gripe between hydraulic or cable, they at least both do their job well. Fix what's broken rather.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on July 25, 2018, 08:26:43 am

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To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:

You're just being polite @Pom17 ... I thought "Gees that's a stupid move"  ;) >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 08:34:47 am
Okay then, so the question is settled. Hydraulic clutches are better, because they make the bike more expensive, are less reliable, and cost more to maintain over time.

Sorted. :thumleft:.

Now, can someone answer my previous question about why modern wheel rims are softer and damage more easily? Does the fact that they are more expensive and troublesome also make them better?  ???

IMHO two things contribute to modern rims "dinging"

1. Modern rims mostly Aluminum old rims steel 
2. Very important and too long a explanation to get in to but valving of the shocks is not up to standard or not good enough for the demands we put them under. This causes hydraulic lock. Something has to give and the next "weak" link in the chain is the rim. (Hydraulic lock can happen anywhere in the stroke or travel of the shock and must not be confused with bottoming out).

Point 1 becomes mute if point 2 is correct!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 08:36:31 am

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To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:

You're just being polite @Pom17 ... I thought "Gees that's a stupid move"  ;) >:D


Spot on  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 08:44:37 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

On point 1 I would like to take it in Africa and I would like to think it could! Remember to that they dont make XR650's or Dr650's anymore.

On point 2 yes it might be quicker to fix a normal nail puncture but for a experienced person not by much. Also a big factor is the design of the rim. There is a ridge either side of the bead that makes it much more difficult to remove tyre from "seat" to be able to fit tube. On a normal rim a tube change is a quick and painless process. I have seen many a person convert their opinion on tubeless once they are firstly in trouble and secondly realize how painless a tube replacement is on a tubeless rim. No flat beds in a river bed once a lurker has been hit.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 25, 2018, 08:46:29 am

Quote


To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:

You're just being polite @Pom17 ... I thought "Gees that's a stupid move"  ;) >:D

Hey go easy the trip was already booked and I only had a week to find a bike. If insurance just released my 690 or if I hadn't crashed it, none of that would've happened. I'm sure if they are sorted and working they are ok. Bonova did 4-5 Amageza's with his and won a couple after all. But after my experience, the G450X is dead to me   :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 08:47:24 am

Quote


To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:

You're just being polite @Pom17 ... I thought "Gees that's a stupid move"  ;) >:D


Spot on  :imaposer:

Such bigoted ignorance regarding these bikes - even from the dealers (and most of the technicians know fuckall about them). As I have said before - even 10 years later they can still get a top 10 in the Dakar like this year (7th place), evidence in itself. These bikes are becoming sought after internationally (and by those in the know locally) for good reason. And really lets face it - anyone who just goes out and buys any bike off Gumtree and thinks without a proper going through and service (and some knowledge about it) can ride it through Kaoko is stupid misguided.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 25, 2018, 08:54:47 am
Such bigoted ignorance regarding these bikes - even from the dealers (and most of the technicians know fuckall about them). As I have said before - even 10 years later they can still get a top 10 in the Dakar like this year (7th place), evidence in itself. These bikes are becoming sought after internationally (and by those in the know locally) for good reason. And really lets face it - anyone who just goes out and buys any bike off Gumtree and thinks without a proper going through and service (and some knowledge about it) can ride it through Kaoko is stupid misguided.

I didn't buy it off gumtree. I bought it off a well known forum member plus I sent it to the shop for a thorough going over. And was assured by the seller that they had done the same before selling it to me. So call me stupid if you like. Or I can call the bike a POS if I like. We might both be right
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 09:38:45 am
Such bigoted ignorance regarding these bikes - even from the dealers (and most of the technicians know fuckall about them). As I have said before - even 10 years later they can still get a top 10 in the Dakar like this year (7th place), evidence in itself. These bikes are becoming sought after internationally (and by those in the know locally) for good reason. And really lets face it - anyone who just goes out and buys any bike off Gumtree and thinks without a proper going through and service (and some knowledge about it) can ride it through Kaoko is stupid misguided.

I didn't buy it off gumtree. I bought it off a well known forum member plus I sent it to the shop for a thorough going over. And was assured by the seller that they had done the same before selling it to me. So call me stupid if you like. Or I can call the bike a POS if I like. We might both be right

Yeah we probably are - I was misguided by its provenance, apologies. I am just tired of reading ignorant drivel about these bikes.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 25, 2018, 10:13:27 am
Point 1 becomes mute if point 2 is correct!

The point becomes moot, not mute.  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 25, 2018, 10:19:39 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on July 25, 2018, 10:27:05 am
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Such bigoted ignorance regarding these bikes - even from the dealers (and most of the technicians know fuckall about them). As I have said before - even 10 years later they can still get a top 10 in the Dakar like this year (7th place), evidence in itself. These bikes are becoming sought after internationally (and by those in the know locally) for good reason. And really lets face it - anyone who just goes out and buys any bike off Gumtree and thinks without a proper going through and service (and some knowledge about it) can ride it through Kaoko is stupid misguided.

Go have another  :sip: Dom, I was just pulling Dwergs legs... well that and the fact that a friend raced one of those 450's for a year and called it the biggest POS he ever swung a leg over, but he's probably also an ignorant bigot who should have never sold it for the WR450  :thumleft: But you're right, he did win a Senior Offroad title on it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 25, 2018, 10:34:56 am
KTM need to rather focus on making that clutch better that the POS butter clutch on the 690... and let's no forget the even bigger pos airbox. I've got no gripe between hydraulic or cable, they at least both do their job well. Fix what's broken rather.

+ 1
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 25, 2018, 10:39:59 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

KTM engineers or accountants?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 11:08:50 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

On point 1 I would like to take it in Africa and I would like to think it could! Remember to that they dont make XR650's or Dr650's anymore.

On point 2 yes it might be quicker to fix a normal nail puncture but for a experienced person not by much. Also a big factor is the design of the rim. There is a ridge either side of the bead that makes it much more difficult to remove tyre from "seat" to be able to fit tube. On a normal rim a tube change is a quick and painless process. I have seen many a person convert their opinion on tubeless once they are firstly in trouble and secondly realize how painless a tube replacement is on a tubeless rim. No flat beds in a river bed once a lurker has been hit.

1. And with a hydraulic clutch it still can

2. Get what you are saying. You must just have a little experience with changing tyres on a tubeless rim. And that goes for changing normal tubes too. So would not say that tubeless is bad



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To be honest, when I started reading that report and saw you on a 450 BMW I thought to myself. "Jeezzz that is brave"  :lol8:

You're just being polite @Pom17 ... I thought "Gees that's a stupid move"  ;) >:D

Hey go easy the trip was already booked and I only had a week to find a bike. If insurance just released my 690 or if I hadn't crashed it, none of that would've happened. I'm sure if they are sorted and working they are ok. Bonova did 4-5 Amageza's with his and won a couple after all. But after my experience, the G450X is dead to me   :lol8:

Just joking with you  :lol8:


Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

More at play than engineers  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 25, 2018, 11:42:50 am
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

I don't think its the actual fixing that is the issue.  Nowadays most people are not able to fix anything (although they might be able to reboot the display.  The individual that can fix a hydraulic seal will carry the o-ring and the syringe for the job.  I do.

I think the fact is that the point is for me that the hydraulic clutch would require yearly maintenance to equal the reliability of a cable job.  And I do not think that in the roles that KTM foresee that this bike will be employed, that ultimate clutch feel is of primary importance.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 25, 2018, 12:14:34 pm
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

KTM engineers or accountants?

Does it matter? They signed off on a cable clutch.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 12:28:36 pm
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

KTM engineers or accountants?

Does it matter? They signed off on a cable clutch.

Hence this whole argument. HOWWW  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 25, 2018, 12:29:43 pm
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

KTM engineers or accountants?

Does it matter? They signed off on a cable clutch.

Yes it does. Engineers might be voting for the hydraulic clutch due to better tech but overruled by the accountants and told to make it work with a cable clutch.

All this talk about the cable clutch and in the end it might not even have one.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 12:36:54 pm
 :laughing4: True
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 12:41:15 pm
Stop stop stop this train. Let me get this right we are as some put it "arguing" about minors here.

The way I see it,it is simple.

1. Twin
2. Light (predicted)
3. Powerful (very) as predicted.
4. Good suspension (predicted)

IMHO opinion the closest we have come to the SE bench mark in a while. Except for the obvious addition of unnecessary electronics.

Guys seriously If this was the Glory bike and the next bench mark I am sure someone will knock something.

If this bike will scare most people shitless then they have done good!

It is the dark side after all!

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 01:06:11 pm
Stop stop stop this train. Let me get this right we are as some put it "arguing" about minors here.

The way I see it,it is simple.

1. Twin
2. Light (predicted)
3. Powerful (very) as predicted.
4. Good suspension (predicted)

IMHO opinion the closest we have come to the SE bench mark in a while. Except for the obvious addition of unnecessary electronics.

Guys seriously If this was the Glory bike and the next bench mark I am sure someone will knock something.

If this bike will scare most people shitless then they have done good!

It is the dark side after all!

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Hardy de Kock on July 25, 2018, 01:26:45 pm
Ok we got two issues here that I dont understand:

1. Cable Clutch
If your reasoning is that you can fix it in Africa then it is not a valid one really. Because if that is your main concern then you are on the wrong bike. Jump on the old XR650 then.
We have already established that a hydraulic clutch is a better performing part than a cable clutch. And on a bike like the 790 overflowing with tech, the cable clutch has no place.

2. Tubeliss Wheels
If you are saying that in the event of a bent rim you cant fix it. Then I also dont understand. To fix a tube you have to take the tube out, fix it and put it back.
So if the rim is bent then just open the wheel up and dump a tube in there. What is the issue?
For all the other flats you get the tubeliss will be perfect and easier to fix than a tubed wheel

The KTM engineers seems to disagree with you.  :thumleft:

KTM engineers or accountants?

Does it matter? They signed off on a cable clutch.

Yes it does. Engineers might be voting for the hydraulic clutch due to better tech but overruled by the accountants and told to make it work with a cable clutch.

All this talk about the cable clutch and in the end it might not even have one.  :biggrin:

I have been part of a pre-production testing group in the automotive industry for nine years, and probably understand the process better than most here SM.
With the above question, I meant that the cable clutch were chosen as the better option by a collective R&D group. I guarantee you that accountants does not decide final sign off.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 01:57:57 pm
Stop stop stop this train. Let me get this right we are as some put it "arguing" about minors here.

The way I see it,it is simple.

1. Twin
2. Light (predicted)
3. Powerful (very) as predicted.
4. Good suspension (predicted)

IMHO opinion the closest we have come to the SE bench mark in a while. Except for the obvious addition of unnecessary electronics.

Guys seriously If this was the Glory bike and the next bench mark I am sure someone will knock something.

If this bike will scare most people shitless then they have done good!

It is the dark side after all!

I really do hope it scares me, cable clutch notwithstanding!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 02:15:07 pm
Stop stop stop this train. Let me get this right we are as some put it "arguing" about minors here.

The way I see it,it is simple.

1. Twin
2. Light (predicted)
3. Powerful (very) as predicted.
4. Good suspension (predicted)

IMHO opinion the closest we have come to the SE bench mark in a while. Except for the obvious addition of unnecessary electronics.

Guys seriously If this was the Glory bike and the next bench mark I am sure someone will knock something.

If this bike will scare most people shitless then they have done good!

It is the dark side after all!

Just for confirmation - does that SE of yours have a hydraulic clutch? Has it ever failed on you?
I do believe the answers are Yes and No.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 02:16:01 pm
Stop stop stop this train. Let me get this right we are as some put it "arguing" about minors here.

The way I see it,it is simple.

1. Twin
2. Light (predicted)
3. Powerful (very) as predicted.
4. Good suspension (predicted)

IMHO opinion the closest we have come to the SE bench mark in a while. Except for the obvious addition of unnecessary electronics.

Guys seriously If this was the Glory bike and the next bench mark I am sure someone will knock something.

If this bike will scare most people shitless then they have done good!

It is the dark side after all!

Just for confirmation - does that SE of yours have a hydraulic clutch? Has it ever failed on you?
I do believe the answers are Yes and No.

lol


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 02:22:44 pm
DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it.
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Not at all Dom!

That was a computer thing. The computer thought the gearbox was in neutral when it was in gear for a fall and the tip over switch activating. The computer would not allow the bike to start as a result. By rocking and or spinning the back wheel the gearbox reset to neutral allowing the computer to give a green light to start. Nothing to do with DCT "clutch" system. Computer management checks not in all ok!
[/quote]

What I meant was the system caught you out, not necessarily the clutch... although the dual clutch would have had to allow the gearbox to change gear. The clutch itself is actually two separate clutches that are oil-pressure actuated by two independent servos - possibly more prone to failure (maybe even 2X) than a single hydraulic clutch?

Now that Honda AT of yours is a DCT, no so? I will not answer this time.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 25, 2018, 02:23:53 pm
I don't care about the clutch! If it weighs more than 160kg dry then I don't wat it! :snorting:..clutch or whatever..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 02:31:22 pm
I don't care about the clutch! If it weighs more than 160kg dry then I don't wat it! :snorting:..clutch or whatever..

Think the 790 Duke weighs 169kg dry, so you can be guaranteed that the adv will be heavier. And honestly, expecting a DS twin to weigh less than 160kg is a bit unrealistic
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 02:32:29 pm
I don't care about the clutch! If it weighs more than 160kg dry then I don't wat it! :snorting:..clutch or whatever..

Think the 790 Duke weighs 169kg dry, so you can be guaranteed that the adv will be heavier. And honestly, expecting a DS twin to weigh less than 160kg is a bit unrealistic

I never thought KTM would fit a cable clutch to a bike, letís see if they surprise us once more ;)


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 25, 2018, 02:37:16 pm
I don't care about the clutch! If it weighs more than 160kg dry then I don't wat it! :snorting:..clutch or whatever..

Think the 790 Duke weighs 169kg dry, so you can be guaranteed that the adv will be heavier. And honestly, expecting a DS twin to weigh less than 160kg is a bit unrealistic

I never thought KTM would fit a cable clutch to a bike, letís see if they surprise us once more ;)


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Wishful thinking sir
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on July 25, 2018, 02:38:02 pm
I don't care about the clutch! If it weighs more than 160kg dry then I don't wat it! :snorting:..clutch or whatever..

Think the 790 Duke weighs 169kg dry, so you can be guaranteed that the adv will be heavier. And honestly, expecting a DS twin to weigh less than 160kg is a bit unrealistic

180kg dry max then! :biggrin: ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 03:05:49 pm

DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it.

Not at all Dom!

That was a computer thing. The computer thought the gearbox was in neutral when it was in gear for a fall and the tip over switch activating. The computer would not allow the bike to start as a result. By rocking and or spinning the back wheel the gearbox reset to neutral allowing the computer to give a green light to start. Nothing to do with DCT "clutch" system. Computer management checks not in all ok!
[/quote]

What I meant was the system caught you out, not necessarily the clutch... although the dual clutch would have had to allow the gearbox to change gear. The clutch itself is actually two separate clutches that are oil-pressure actuated by two independent servos - possibly more prone to failure (maybe even 2X) than a single hydraulic clutch?

Now that Honda AT of yours is a DCT, no so? I will not answer this time.  :imaposer:
[/quote]

So you dont have a Educated Prof answer to the above reverting to a typical defiant answer. O how predictable.

No need to answer we all know what it is.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 03:08:38 pm

DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it.

Not at all Dom!

That was a computer thing. The computer thought the gearbox was in neutral when it was in gear for a fall and the tip over switch activating. The computer would not allow the bike to start as a result. By rocking and or spinning the back wheel the gearbox reset to neutral allowing the computer to give a green light to start. Nothing to do with DCT "clutch" system. Computer management checks not in all ok!

What I meant was the system caught you out, not necessarily the clutch... although the dual clutch would have had to allow the gearbox to change gear. The clutch itself is actually two separate clutches that are oil-pressure actuated by two independent servos - possibly more prone to failure (maybe even 2X) than a single hydraulic clutch?

Now that Honda AT of yours is a DCT, no so? I will not answer this time.  :imaposer:
[/quote]

So you dont have a Educated Prof answer to the above reverting to a typical defiant answer. O how predictable.

No need to answer we all know what it is.
[/quote]

Thanks for the affirmative answer.  :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Carrots on July 25, 2018, 03:32:40 pm
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/july/ktm-790-duke-motorcycle-rider-aids/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 03:36:36 pm

DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it.

Not at all Dom!

That was a computer thing. The computer thought the gearbox was in neutral when it was in gear for a fall and the tip over switch activating. The computer would not allow the bike to start as a result. By rocking and or spinning the back wheel the gearbox reset to neutral allowing the computer to give a green light to start. Nothing to do with DCT "clutch" system. Computer management checks not in all ok!

What I meant was the system caught you out, not necessarily the clutch... although the dual clutch would have had to allow the gearbox to change gear. The clutch itself is actually two separate clutches that are oil-pressure actuated by two independent servos - possibly more prone to failure (maybe even 2X) than a single hydraulic clutch?

Now that Honda AT of yours is a DCT, no so? I will not answer this time.  :imaposer:

So you dont have a Educated Prof answer to the above reverting to a typical defiant answer. O how predictable.

No need to answer we all know what it is.
[/quote]

Thanks for the affirmative answer.  :3some:
[/quote]

Dom I bow in the presence of your knowledge but you stated the DCT failed. I want to be clear here. You state the DCT failed us as a reference to the clutch section of the DCT. I assume this as we where talking about clutches or are you saying that the Transmission or the electronics that manage it did?

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 25, 2018, 03:38:18 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on July 25, 2018, 03:39:58 pm
Engineers might be voting for the hydraulic clutch due to better tech but overruled by the accountants and told to make it work with a cable clutch.

All this talk about the cable clutch and in the end it might not even have one.  :biggrin:

I have been part of a pre-production testing group in the automotive industry for nine years, and probably understand the process better than most here SM.
With the above question, I meant that the cable clutch were chosen as the better option by a collective R&D group. I guarantee you that accountants does not decide final sign off.

Yes it is far more complex than what I made out with engineer vs accountant.  I am not in the industry and don't know how it works but can just imagine that many people and departments will be involved with it and also in many different stages.  I can also imagine that they might make a decision early on and later realise there is a better option but to change it might be more complex than just living with the original decision.

As you say the R&D probably chosen the cable clutch as a better option for reasons we don't know.  They could have designed it different that it works better and now trumps a more complex hydraulic system.  We are all just speculating.  PS Are we even sure that a cable clutch is what what selected for the bike?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 03:45:32 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 25, 2018, 03:57:43 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!
No it's not a Rattex think it was built in Congo or Taiwan
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 04:01:41 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!
No it's not a Rattex think it was built in Congo or Taiwan

Eish so not a Bee m wobble you?  O0
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on July 25, 2018, 04:03:41 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!
No it's not a Rattex think it was built in Congo or Taiwan

Eish so not a Bee m wobble you?  O0
No but it still comes with the badge just like the Indian 310 which was rated best dual sport ever
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 04:09:01 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!
No it's not a Rattex think it was built in Congo or Taiwan

Eish so not a Bee m wobble you?  O0
No but it still comes with the badge just like the Indian 310 which was rated best dual sport ever

Ooooo Noooo!

So BMW did not come 7th in the Dakar on a BMW 450

If so someone is going to toss and turn with cold sweats tonight.  ::)



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 04:11:08 pm


Thanks for the affirmative answer.  :3some:
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Dom I bow in the presence of your knowledge but you stated the DCT failed. I want to be clear here. You state the DCT failed us as a reference to the clutch section of the DCT. I assume this as we where talking about clutches or are you saying that the Transmission or the electronics that manage it did?
[/quote]

Now as a previous PresiDENT said "listen carefully now" ...

I said "DCT = Dual Clutch Transmission ... don't think it cannot fail or catch one out ... on Quest they had to learn how to jippo it."  end quote

So what I was stating is:

1) Do not think it is foolproof.
2) OR cannot catch one out
3) On Quest they learned this (that it can catch one out) and how to fix it

I DID NOT SAY IT FAILED. I said I believe it could (explained above as it is also oil-pressure dependent) and the DCT caught you guys out and you learned how to by-pass the technology (as you explained).

The Honda fanboys protesteth too much.  :biggrin:



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 04:26:24 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!

Now you (and a few others) are being proper dooses. I am so tired of schooling you.  :imaposer:

No the G450X does not have a Rotax engine. It has an engine made by Kymco. Used by BMW and Husky and CCM. These BMW and Husky 450 Rally bikes were developed by Speedbrain who more recently have collaborated with team Hero. These are the bikes (yes essentially the same as the BMW G450RR and Husky 450RR) which have been raced in the Dakar with some success. They were not raced by BMW but Hero - my point was that the same bike still is reliable and even competative.

PS I do not toss and turn with cold sweats at night over ignorance and trivia.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 04:36:29 pm
Why could they do this 12 years ago, hydraulic clutch and all...

Leaving this here for you guys to realise what is possible when they try and prove a point ;)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180725/d616f116411af1bee584e8a1282f6797.jpg)

180kg, mental suspension, proper rims, zero electronics and... that SOUND!




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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 04:43:25 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

The one with a Rotrax motor in it.

Not asking!

Now you (and a few others) are being proper dooses. I am so tired of schooling you.  :imaposer:

No the G450X does not have a Rotax engine. It has an engine made by Kymco. Used by BMW and Husky and CCM. These BMW and Husky 450 Rally bikes were developed by Speedbrain who more recently have collaborated with team Hero. These are the bikes (yes essentially the same as the BMW G450RR and Husky 450RR) which have been raced in the Dakar with some success. They were not raced by BMW but Hero - my point was that the same bike still is reliable and even competative.

PS I do not toss and turn with cold sweats at night over ignorance and trivia.  ::)

Aaa so there is the Dom I know. So let me get this right in my small brain the BMW is not a BMW but a Kymco made by Speedbrain raced as a Hero.

Cool! so basically not a BMW.

I learned something thanks.

So now we can get back to talking about a potential Benchmark KTM and stop talking about Honda's and BMW's arg Kymco's, arg Speedbrains, arg Hero's

Oooo fuckit lets talk KTM

Does anyone know if the ADV version management system will be the same as the Duke + will it be down tuned.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 25, 2018, 04:45:52 pm
Why could they do this 12 years ago, hydraulic clutch and all...

Leaving this here for you guys to realise what is possible when they try and prove a point ;)

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180kg, mental suspension, proper rims, zero electronics and... that SOUND!




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A thing of beauty Werner!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on July 25, 2018, 05:35:38 pm
I think I see an aftermarket hydraulic clutch slave on there ......................... why on earth would they do that?  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 05:37:04 pm
Why could they do this 12 years ago, hydraulic clutch and all...

Leaving this here for you guys to realise what is possible when they try and prove a point ;)

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A thing of beauty Werner!

This thing still awes me every time I see it.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 05:38:34 pm
I think I see an aftermarket hydraulic clutch slave on there ......................... why on earth would they do that?  ;)

Whyíd you have to use such foul language in the presence of something so beautiful.

Shhhhhhhhh ;)

PS - I just put it on in case, they last ages. Enough now with that logic  :lol8:


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 25, 2018, 05:50:38 pm
As much funas a 959SE can be, it also becomes a dog on anything vaguely resembling rough terrain.

So if you use a se as the standard for a new "lightweight" D/S bike, I'd say FAIL.

SE's are obese.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on July 25, 2018, 05:52:28 pm
As much funas a 959SE can be, it also becomes a dog on anything vaguely resembling rough terrain.

So if you use a se as the standard for a new "lightweight" D/S bike, I'd say FAIL.

SE's are obese.

In all seriousness, thatís the truth.

Still, there are some beautiful +size models out there ;)


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 25, 2018, 05:58:07 pm
As much funas a 959SE can be, it also becomes a dog on anything vaguely resembling rough terrain.

So if you use a se as the standard for a new "lightweight" D/S bike, I'd say FAIL.

SE's are obese.

In all seriousness, thatís the truth.

Still, there are some beautiful +size models out there ;)


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No denying the brutish beauty of the SE, and in a perverted way, the HP2. :patch:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 06:21:35 pm
As much funas a 959SE can be, it also becomes a dog on anything vaguely resembling rough terrain.

So if you use a se as the standard for a new "lightweight" D/S bike, I'd say FAIL.

SE's are obese.

In all seriousness, thatís the truth.

Still, there are some beautiful +size models out there ;)


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No denying the brutish beauty of the SE, and in a perverted way, the HP2. :patch:

Ja very perverted for you to sat that  2SMD 2SD  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 06:36:59 pm

[/quote]

Does anyone know if the ADV version management system will be the same as the Duke + will it be down tuned.

[/quote]

They have said that the ECU will be mapped specifically for the ADV and speculation is they will leave the power output the same. They have also said they are working on "next generation" rider assist specifically for the ADV. So some of the rider modes off the Duke are bound to stay and some may go and be replaced by enduro, offroad, mud, wet, etc modes I guess. Look to the grandmother 1290 models for leads on this I guess.

PS: The Duke clutch actually feels pretty sweet  :peepwall:  ... it does have that slipper clutch though (similar to the one ThrottleJock keeps in his pocket).  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 25, 2018, 07:10:36 pm
The only failure here is poor Dwergs BMW 450X that wont start! :imaposer:

I am not poor Iím lower middle class. Get your facts straight
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 25, 2018, 07:21:14 pm
Dom an Aprilia SXV came 7th I think at Pikes Peak. Must be a great reliable bike then?  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 07:47:40 pm
Dom an Aprilia SXV came 7th I think at Pikes Peak. Must be a great reliable bike then?  :pot:

I can assure you that there is a big difference between PikesPeak - a 10 minute hill climb - and the 14 day Dakar Rally.
In fact the SXV's often clean up the top spots in their twin cylinder class - 2nd this year to Chris Fillmore on the KTM 790 (the SXV was an 11 year old model).
But yes reliable is always relative.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 25, 2018, 08:08:25 pm
Dom an Aprilia SXV came 7th I think at Pikes Peak. Must be a great reliable bike then?  :pot:

I can assure you that there is a big difference between PikesPeak - a 10 minute hill climb - and the 14 day Dakar Rally.
In fact the SXV's often clean up the top spots in their twin cylinder class - 2nd this year to Chris Fillmore on the KTM 790 (the SXV was an 11 year old model).
But yes reliable is always relative.

All in the name of banter  ;)

To be honest I had way more fun on the g450 than I expected. Pity it was short lived. It actually really impressed me on the rough and rocky jeep track stuff. Really fun bike in that kind of terrain. But man we are way offf topic  :imaposer:

On topic, the 790 Dukes I rode all had a bit of a shudder in the last part of the clutch stroke on hard pullaway. Maybe journo abuse, maybe clutch/flywheel, maybe because they were new? Still had nice soft action despite the cable

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 25, 2018, 08:31:17 pm
Ja I like hydraulic but both my Husky TE610 and G450X have cable and are fine. I have a conversion for the 610 to hydra but so far not got round to fitting it or been that motivated. While I am surprised there may well not be one on the 790 I am also not convinced that a cable would be a deal breaker. It has not stopped people buying AT's and many Yamaha's.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 25, 2018, 08:36:31 pm
Ja I like hydraulic but both my Husky TE610 and G450X have cable and are fine. I have a conversion for the 610 to hydra but so far not got round to fitting it or been that motivated. While I am surprised there may well not be one on the 790 I am also not convinced that a cable would be a deal breaker. It has not stopped people buying AT's and many Yamaha's.

The only real drawback of a cable is the periodic maintenance. Greased every 6 months they are extremely reliable. My Xt is on the factory clutch cable at 100 000kms.

Admittedly it is a geniune YAMAHA cable, so exceedingly high quality. :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on July 25, 2018, 09:57:35 pm
My F8GS cable is on 80 000 km and has never been lubed. Not going to either. Teflon lining...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 26, 2018, 07:36:35 am
My F8GS cable is on 80 000 km and has never been lubed. Not going to either. Teflon lining...

All good quality cables have a teflon lining. Lube always make things better. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 26, 2018, 07:52:33 am
Focus people,focus!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 08:23:40 am
I don't like the inside out swing arm.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2018, 08:52:55 am
Probably to save some weight. I really hope this bike doesn't have the seat height of a Clydesdale. I am definitely keen to buy one
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 26, 2018, 09:12:54 am
Oh yeah, I see it now, just how ugly the bike looks with that clutch operating lever.The first thing that smacks you in the eye the moment you look at the picture.  :imaposer: :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2018, 09:18:48 am
Oh yeah, I see it now, just how ugly the bike looks with that clutch operating lever.The first thing that smacks you in the eye the moment you look at the picture.  :imaposer: :pot:

Easy old timer. This bike is meant to give you a hard on. So clearly you are not their target market  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on July 26, 2018, 09:24:39 am
The bike can give me a hard on, no problems in that area, but for sure I'm not in the target market. I couldn't even afford a new clutch cable.  :'(
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 09:28:00 am
Probably to save some weight. I really hope this bike doesn't have the seat height of a Clydesdale. I am definitely keen to buy one

Nope it is just inside out.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on July 26, 2018, 09:52:25 am
Oh my weak heart  :drif:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 26, 2018, 10:02:20 am
Focus people,focus!

That thing could come out with a  clutch cable made out of rusty nails glued together inside a hosepipe, and I'd still want one.

Please, please, pretty please don't be a gazillion rand. Any guestimates of cost yet?

If the 1090 is R182k, and the Duke 690 is R114k, I suppose around the R150k mark is reasonable? Maybe R160k for the R?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 26, 2018, 10:31:56 am
The Duke is currently R150k, so would guess it would be closer to R165k
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on July 26, 2018, 10:57:12 am
The Duke is currently R150k, so would guess it would be closer to R165k

Very tempting. But I'll have to wait a year for a demo/used one, so someone else can take the knock on a new one.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on July 26, 2018, 11:19:07 am
Unfortunately being KTM ,IMHO theres very likely a few teething issues so I wont rush in for the 1st model as I did confidently on the Honda AT
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 26, 2018, 11:20:27 am
Unfortunately being KTM ,IMHO theres very likely a few teething issues so I wont rush in for the 1st model as I did confidently on the Honda AT

True, still dont think it will stop me. Will just sell when the warranty has ran out  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2018, 11:23:37 am
The major teething issues should come out on the duke and I understand there have been a few. Hopefully they are sorted on the adventure
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on July 26, 2018, 12:26:25 pm
The major teething issues should come out on the duke and I understand there have been a few. Hopefully they are sorted on the adventure

What have they been?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2018, 12:39:30 pm
The major teething issues should come out on the duke and I understand there have been a few. Hopefully they are sorted on the adventure

What have they been?

A few with seals or gaskets that sweat/leak. Nothing serious

Read one where some pin came loose in the head after 200kms and damaged the motor. Guy in the UK. They are giving him a new bike but it's a freak incident as apposed to an issue.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 12:41:21 pm
I remember this same hype about the BMW 800GS and look how that turned out.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on July 26, 2018, 12:42:37 pm
I remember this same hype about the BMW 800GS and look how that turned out.

Have you ridden the Duke?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 12:50:22 pm
I remember this same hype about the BMW 800GS and look how that turned out.

Have you ridden the Duke?

No I haven't.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the 790 Adventure will be a soft-cock thing, I'm merely reminding everybody of the hype around a bike with very similar specs about a decade ago.
There are a lot of similarities between the two; remember the BMW also came out as road bike first.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 26, 2018, 02:06:14 pm
Cant really compare the BMW and KTM philosophy when it comes to DS bikes. Cant say I have ridden a boring KTM. The same cant be said for BMW
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
Cant really compare the BMW and KTM philosophy when it comes to DS bikes. Cant say I have ridden a boring KTM. The same cant be said for BMW

Don't forget BMW bought Husqvarna about the time the 800GS came out, to to gain some of that philosophy.

All they managed to do was screw Husqvarna up  :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on July 27, 2018, 09:00:38 am
Cant really compare the BMW and KTM philosophy when it comes to DS bikes. Cant say I have ridden a boring KTM. The same cant be said for BMW

Don't forget BMW bought Husqvarna about the time the 800GS came out, to to gain some of that philosophy.

All they managed to do was screw Husqvarna up  :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:

Very true  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Omninorm on August 13, 2018, 01:00:55 am



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 13, 2018, 12:59:47 pm


Its a fatty! >:(
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on August 13, 2018, 02:12:32 pm
Its a fatty! >:(

 ::) :lol8: I take it you were expecting a 790 Enduro?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 13, 2018, 03:49:13 pm
Ja, this is old footage from Sardinia that is being re-posted on some social media (and was I think posted or linked earlier in this thread). Bike does look a little clunky and that back end kicks quite horribly - a typical XPlor suspension trait. Chris B would make a Vespa look respectable on that terrain.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2018, 04:06:58 pm
Ja, this is old footage that is being re-posted on some social media (and was I think posted or linked earlier in this thread). Bike does look a little clunky and that back end kicks quite horribly - a typical XPlor suspension trait. Chris B would make a Vespa look respectable on that terrain.  >:D
Chris looks uncomfortable on the bike in this clip. :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: TeeJay on August 13, 2018, 04:36:56 pm
Ja, this is old footage that is being re-posted on some social media (and was I think posted or linked earlier in this thread). Bike does look a little clunky and that back end kicks quite horribly - a typical XPlor suspension trait. Chris B would make a Vespa look respectable on that terrain.  >:D
Chris looks uncomfortable on the bike in this clip. :deal:

My thoughts as well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 13, 2018, 07:02:31 pm
Ja, this is old footage that is being re-posted on some social media (and was I think posted or linked earlier in this thread). Bike does look a little clunky and that back end kicks quite horribly - a typical XPlor suspension trait. Chris B would make a Vespa look respectable on that terrain.  >:D
Chris looks uncomfortable on the bike in this clip. :deal:

My thoughts as well  :thumleft:

Certainly not making it look flickable in a Birchy way  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 13, 2018, 10:26:34 pm
Ja, this is old footage that is being re-posted on some social media (and was I think posted or linked earlier in this thread). Bike does look a little clunky and that back end kicks quite horribly - a typical XPlor suspension trait. Chris B would make a Vespa look respectable on that terrain.  >:D
Chris looks uncomfortable on the bike in this clip. :deal:

My thoughts as well  :thumleft:

Certainly not making it look flickable in a Birchy way  8)
he is more in his element in or near water!! ;)



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 13, 2018, 11:02:32 pm
He really rates the1090 and the 1190 he also rides it like an enduro bike - does not have the same body language or finesse on the 790 ... but then maybe he did not want to trash the prototype windgatting.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on August 14, 2018, 12:28:26 am
He really rates the 1190 and rides it like an enduro bike - does not have the same body language or finesse on the 790 ... but then maybe he did not want to trash the prototype windgatting.  >:D

I cannot seem to overlook the fact that he doesnít seem comfortable nor nimble on this bike, even being a good 30kgís lighter.

The first thought I had when I saw that vid a while back was: ďshit, this isnít going to work out the way I thought it wouldĒ.

It looks like it handles very heavy with super soft suspension encumbered by low travel.

My prediction, and the final one at that, is that itís going to be quite underwhelming.

My rands are going towards a 500 and a 1290R, itís decided.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 14, 2018, 06:42:06 am
Personally I would reconsider the 1290 as well.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Clint_G on August 14, 2018, 06:44:45 am
He really rates the 1190 and rides it like an enduro bike - does not have the same body language or finesse on the 790 ... but then maybe he did not want to trash the prototype windgatting.  >:D

I cannot seem to overlook the fact that he doesnít seem comfortable nor nimble on this bike, even being a good 30kgís lighter.

The first thought I had when I saw that vid a while back was: ďshit, this isnít going to work out the way I thought it wouldĒ.

It looks like it handles very heavy with super soft suspension encumbered by low travel.

My prediction, and the final one at that, is that itís going to be quite underwhelming.

My rands are going towards a 500 and a 1290R, itís decided.


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While I agree with what it looks like, I think I'll reserve judgement until the bike comes out. Or maybe even the second version where they've fixed the inevitable problems.

Luckily I just bought my 1190, so I'm OK to wait another year or two before my ass itches.

If it's as bad as it looks, you know Chris will be giving feedback, and I assume KTM will listen to that feedback. The rear kicking up like that is certainly a cause for concern.

As said above, it could also be the fact that it's a prototype, and he's taking it easy. I seem to recall a video clip of him saying something like that just before riding the 790.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on August 14, 2018, 07:22:55 am
There's a lot of bad criticism about that video r.e. the 790 but to be fair, that's an unedited video of him bashing about on some backyard tight track. The YouTube video are fully edited and shot with many cuts to get the shots just right and the 1090 is most likely modified with stiffer spring and tuned suspension.

I'm confident that 790 will be an awesome bike in almost every respect (although I think the 1090 looks nicer). Having said this, that 1090 also looks and rides propper.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: TK on August 14, 2018, 01:28:55 pm
TTR600........we never got them here. Why?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on August 14, 2018, 02:27:59 pm
That video of Birch on the 790 certainly hasn't done KTM any favours in marketing the bike. The suspension looks rather pathetic on that track  :o

Bear in mind that nothing on that 1090 or 1190s suspension that Birch is trashing about is standard either. Those bikes are tricked with the best suspension that money can buy. So is Adam Riemann's 1090 for that matter. It's all in the name of marketing... if Birchy can do it, well then so can you, boiled balls and all  :thumleft:
Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on August 14, 2018, 03:58:15 pm
We seem to forget that 180kg and 210kg dry weight bikes are very close ito handling capability, ruggedness and ability to take into the rough stuff.

In the hectic stuff, thick sand and gnarly bits they are going to be 95% equally shit.

So what we think we want to do in our heads is probably way better suited to a 701 or 500 and conversely, if thatís not the type of stuff youíd want to do, the 1090R and 1290R is probably going to better suited to your needs. Unless there are budgetary constraints.

Then weíre not even talking about the suspension, which to make a big enough difference to where you can take it over a 1290R, needs to be very close to the 300mm mark.

The more I think about it I donít see where this bike would fit in considering itíll be MIN 180kg dry. Thatís still a freakin pig anything remotely rough. Sure, anyone can push and carry the bike through rough sections, kind of defeats the purpose...


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2018, 04:11:44 pm
We seem to forget that 180kg and 210kg dry weight bikes are very close ito handling capability, ruggedness and ability to take into the rough stuff.

In the hectic stuff, thick sand and gnarly bits they are going to be 95% equally shit.

So what we think we want to do in our heads is probably way better suited to a 701 or 500 and conversely, if thatís not the type of stuff youíd want to do, the 1090R and 1290R is probably going to better suited to your needs. Unless there are budgetary constraints.

Then weíre not even talking about the suspension, which to make a big enough difference to where you can take it over a 1290R, needs to be very close to the 300mm mark.

The more I think about it I donít see where this bike would fit in considering itíll be MIN 180kg dry. Thatís still a freakin pig anything remotely rough. Sure, anyone can push and carry the bike through rough sections, kind of defeats the purpose...


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I agree.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 14, 2018, 07:54:25 pm
TTR600........we never got them here. Why?

And this has what to do with the 790?  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2018, 08:26:37 pm
TTR600........we never got them here. Why?

And this has what to do with the 790?  ::)

This thread needed some reliability. :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 14, 2018, 08:52:51 pm
TTR600........we never got them here. Why?

And this has what to do with the 790?  ::)

This thread needed some reliability. :deal:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 23, 2018, 07:58:59 pm
Proto 1 is in Swaziland at the KTM Adventure Rally. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2119509334966759/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on August 23, 2018, 09:06:32 pm
Proto 1 is in Swaziland at the KTM Adventure Rally. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2119509334966759/

Shit Iím not on facebook so canít see.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on August 23, 2018, 09:07:22 pm
No access
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on August 24, 2018, 07:24:22 am
I like it more every time I see it.  And I also like that it comes with this kick-ass stereo.  That will make cruising the long boring in-between sections much more pleasant.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 24, 2018, 09:34:14 am
Proto 1 is in Swaziland at the KTM Adventure Rally. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2119509334966759/

No access..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 24, 2018, 09:45:49 am
Proto 1 is in Swaziland at the KTM Adventure Rally. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2119509334966759/

No access..

OK,  guess you need to be a member of KTM Fanatics page  ::) 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 24, 2018, 09:55:59 am
Proto 1 is in Swaziland at the KTM Adventure Rally. See here:

https://www.facebook.com/100007231398759/videos/2119509334966759/

No access..

OK,  guess you need to be a member of KTM Fanatics page  ::)

Oh, I'm not there yet! :lol8:

I see the winning prize is a 790adv!? Nice!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 26, 2018, 01:44:57 pm
Picture posted by @soviarc .. Seen in Swaziland..

It looks more like a "790 enduro" with a fat tank!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on August 26, 2018, 02:48:04 pm
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 26, 2018, 05:11:39 pm
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So Renwer, is this thing for you?..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on August 26, 2018, 05:15:23 pm
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So Renwer, is this thing for you?..

One only knowís such things when you swing your leg over it...


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on August 26, 2018, 05:34:01 pm
Was there and was able at least able to sit on it :ricky:
It appears to be the same bike ridden by Paul Bolton in the proportional video released at EICMA last year. Even though it is the the prototype, it is a very appealing bike and everything feels like it is in just the right place.

Few more months to go before we find out what we will actually be getting...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2018, 06:20:47 pm
You lucky - I thought no one was allowed to sit on it.

Ja, this is the concept bike from EICMA that has been pimped around the globe - signed and unveiled by Sam Sunderland. I think for the production model one needs to look more at the the 'black sheep' that was ridden in Sardinia etc. I am sure though the Akro, Cone Valve forks, gripper seat, trick triples etc will be available as Powerparts.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Minxy on August 26, 2018, 07:49:53 pm
You lucky - I thought no one was allowed to sit on it.

Ja, this is the concept bike from EICMA that has been pimped around the globe - signed and unveiled by Sam Sunderland. I think for the production model one needs to look more at the the 'black sheep' that was ridden in Sardinia etc. I am sure though the Akro, Cone Valve forks, gripper seat, trick triples etc will be available as Powerparts.

I sat myself on the 790 as well :) Firstly I love the straight seat! The bike has a racy feel to it and also great standing position. It sure is one good looking bike, can't wait to see the production model :)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2018, 08:03:07 pm
Well you lucky too - I am real envious as would love to get a leg over her as well.  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on August 27, 2018, 07:51:43 am
signed and unveiled by Sam Sunderland.

The bike is signed by Matthias Walkner.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on August 27, 2018, 08:01:25 am
You lucky - I thought no one was allowed to sit on it.

Ja, this is the concept bike from EICMA that has been pimped around the globe - signed and unveiled by Sam Sunderland. I think for the production model one needs to look more at the the 'black sheep' that was ridden in Sardinia etc. I am sure though the Akro, Cone Valve forks, gripper seat, trick triples etc will be available as Powerparts.

The Akro and the bling triple clamps are not that important but I am hoping that for once we get a bike with truly good "out of the box" suspension.  Especially as good suspension upgrades are quite pricey.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 27, 2018, 08:26:27 am
signed and unveiled by Sam Sunderland.

The bike is signed by Matthias Walkner.

True - it was Sunderland that unveiled it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 30, 2018, 02:49:32 pm
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on August 31, 2018, 07:38:57 am
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!

Huh? ???
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 31, 2018, 08:57:25 am
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!

Huh? ???

Howzit SM. I have read a discussion a while back, cant found it now. Some were worried the very low CoG will have a "push" effect when hitting the brakes(front or back) without increasing the downward pressure on the front, less traction and the result is obvious. If the CoG is a little higher it will result in a more downward force on the front when hitting the brakes. Better traction and safer braking!..

You will get the same effect with acceleration out of corners. If this is true it can be very dangerous...

It sounds plausible! But I don't know!..

What do the Wilddog experts say?..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on August 31, 2018, 09:08:29 am
As no expert, I say that the KTM engineers have this one covered, boet.   :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on August 31, 2018, 12:21:25 pm
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!

Huh? ???

Howzit SM. I have read a discussion a while back, cant found it now. Some were worried the very low CoG will have a "push" effect when hitting the brakes(front or back) without increasing the downward pressure on the front, less traction and the result is obvious. If the CoG is a little higher it will result in a more downward force on the front when hitting the brakes. Better traction and safer braking!..

You will get the same effect with acceleration out of corners. If this is true it can be very dangerous...

It sounds plausible! But I don't know!..

What do the Wilddog experts say?..

I half understand what you say and half agree with the idea but,

I would think that your body position and where you "throw" your weight would sort out any (if any) effect.

Every bikes ergonomics is different and we automatically allow for it with our body position and movement. That is why one must always be moving on a bike no one rides all "stiff". Try riding standing with your knees and elbows locked and you will understand what I am hinting at.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on August 31, 2018, 04:37:52 pm
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!

Huh? ???

Howzit SM. I have read a discussion a while back, cant found it now. Some were worried the very low CoG will have a "push" effect when hitting the brakes(front or back) without increasing the downward pressure on the front, less traction and the result is obvious. If the CoG is a little higher it will result in a more downward force on the front when hitting the brakes. Better traction and safer braking!..

You will get the same effect with acceleration out of corners. If this is true it can be very dangerous...

It sounds plausible! But I don't know!..

What do the Wilddog experts say?..

I half understand what you say and half agree with the idea but,

I would think that your body position and where you "throw" your weight would sort out any (if any) effect.

Every bikes ergonomics is different and we automatically allow for it with our body position and movement. That is why one must always be moving on a bike no one rides all "stiff". Try riding standing with your knees and elbows locked and you will understand what I am hinting at.

Yes, each bike has its own ergonomics and we need to adjust for that! Looking forward to the first ride reports though!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: blauth on September 01, 2018, 07:09:54 am
Sounds like people creating potential problems where there are none. By this analogy, race cars and race bikes would also be dangerous. I'm sure the 790 will be filled with awesomeness.  :)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on September 01, 2018, 07:22:26 am
The only thing that bothers me on this bike, besides the weight,  is the very low CoG! Its going to be tricky using the front brake..

What say you!

Huh? ???

Howzit SM. I have read a discussion a while back, cant found it now. Some were worried the very low CoG will have a "push" effect when hitting the brakes(front or back) without increasing the downward pressure on the front, less traction and the result is obvious. If the CoG is a little higher it will result in a more downward force on the front when hitting the brakes. Better traction and safer braking!..

You will get the same effect with acceleration out of corners. If this is true it can be very dangerous...

It sounds plausible! But I don't know!..

What do the Wilddog experts say?..

I'm sure there will be many penny farthing riders lying groaning on the ground who would vehemently disagree with you.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 01, 2018, 08:15:06 am
No matter where the COG is, weight transfer will always shift to the front brakes on a vehicle, under braking.

If it  should not, then simply make the rear brake rotors as big as the front ones. ;)

Frans, if this theory was correct, the 790 would not be able to do a stoppie.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 06:44:56 am
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Slaaiblaar on October 10, 2018, 07:07:55 am
What I don't get. Since the first talk about this bike I think they launch about 6 other complete new models 1290, 1050, 1090, R, Adventure, Super adventure.. Why is this taking so long?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 10, 2018, 07:18:11 am
What I don't get. Since the first talk about this bike I think they launch about 6 other complete new models 1290, 1050, 1090, R, Adventure, Super adventure.. Why is this taking so long?

They realised that they got the COG wrong. :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 07:54:22 am
What I don't get. Since the first talk about this bike I think they launch about 6 other complete new models 1290, 1050, 1090, R, Adventure, Super adventure.. Why is this taking so long?

LC8 is an existing platform and the LC8C is new. And the bikes you mention came before the talk of the 790 adventure
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on October 10, 2018, 07:56:29 am
What I don't get. Since the first talk about this bike I think they launch about 6 other complete new models 1290, 1050, 1090, R, Adventure, Super adventure.. Why is this taking so long?

It's an all new bike; it's obviously going to take longer to land than a new version of an existing bike.
I just hope they're using the delay after the 790 Duke to make sure the Adv is 110% perfect.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on October 10, 2018, 07:58:56 am
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:
I have had the same conversation with myself and I believe this would be the ideal bike for my business, for delivery documents and the like.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 08:01:31 am
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:
I have had the same conversation with myself and I believe this would be the ideal bike for my business, for delivery documents and the like.

 :laughing4: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 10, 2018, 09:07:46 am
Funny I have also have had this conversation and was putting a deposit down when I realised I already had a 100HP 175kg adventure bike that already had two pots sticking out, no iPad and no ABS etc to go wrong, has a hydrualic clutch, good ground clearance and great sorted suspension. But who knows I may yet be seduced.  ::)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on October 10, 2018, 09:11:06 am
What I don't get. Since the first talk about this bike I think they launch about 6 other complete new models 1290, 1050, 1090, R, Adventure, Super adventure.. Why is this taking so long?

All the "1X90" bikes (and 1050s) are essentially the same model with different angles.  I mean the plastics from an 1190 will fit on a 1090. It's essentially the same bike. Once you stirp the tank off a 1290 it looks almost identical to any of the others. It's just little things like dash, electronics and screens and that that differentiate them.   

790 is a whole new platform.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 09:43:44 am
Funny I have also have had this conversation and was putting a deposit down when I realised I already had a 100HP 175kg adventure bike that already had two pots sticking out, no iPad and no ABS etc to go wrong, has a hydrualic clutch, good ground clearance and great sorted suspension. But who knows I may yet be seduced.  ::)

I don't get the HP fuss to be honest. Sure it's not bad but it's by no means the legend everyone makes it out. One of the most disappointing bikes I've ridden but expectations will do that I guess. I am apparently a zennial so I want function first but I also want tech so I personally look forward to having a bike with iPad
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 10, 2018, 11:01:30 am
Funny I have also have had this conversation and was putting a deposit down when I realised I already had a 100HP 175kg adventure bike that already had two pots sticking out, no iPad and no ABS etc to go wrong, has a hydrualic clutch, good ground clearance and great sorted suspension. But who knows I may yet be seduced.  ::)

I don't get the HP fuss to be honest. Sure it's not bad but it's by no means the legend everyone makes it out. One of the most disappointing bikes I've ridden but expectations will do that I guess. I am apparently a zennial so I want function first but I also want tech so I personally look forward to having a bike with iPad

I am not making a fuss, merely just expressing a personal reflection on the bikes. Each to his own. Unfortunate that you were so disappointed by such an iconic bike, but that's just it. I am sure the 790 will be great, and I have perved over the prototype pics lots.  >:D   Go make that deposit.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 11:59:52 am
Funny I have also have had this conversation and was putting a deposit down when I realised I already had a 100HP 175kg adventure bike that already had two pots sticking out, no iPad and no ABS etc to go wrong, has a hydrualic clutch, good ground clearance and great sorted suspension. But who knows I may yet be seduced.  ::)

I don't get the HP fuss to be honest. Sure it's not bad but it's by no means the legend everyone makes it out. One of the most disappointing bikes I've ridden but expectations will do that I guess. I am apparently a zennial so I want function first but I also want tech so I personally look forward to having a bike with iPad

I am not making a fuss, merely just expressing a personal reflection on the bikes. Each to his own. Unfortunate that you were so disappointed by such an iconic bike, but that's just it. I am sure the 790 will be great, and I have perved over the prototype pics lots.  >:D   Go make that deposit.  :thumleft:

Not you making a fuss, just in general. I wish I bought a few when you could have them for sub 100k though.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Twister on October 10, 2018, 12:08:25 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 10, 2018, 12:17:20 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

I think they are trying to cover many bases with the R&D - yes looks low but that seems to be what the market wants. Maybe the R model will be taller, that said low can be useful in tech terrain to get feet down. Broadness is the low slung gastanks.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on October 10, 2018, 12:59:15 pm
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:

While not quite ready to put a deposit down I am curious enough about this bike that I have bought a plane ticket to Milan to go to EICMA and have a look.  Well, that is my excuse.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 10, 2018, 01:26:32 pm
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:

While not quite ready to put a deposit down I am curious enough about this bike that I have bought a plane ticket to Milan to go to EICMA and have a look.  Well, that is my excuse.

Well rub it in why don't you?  :lol8:

Awesome enjoy :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 10, 2018, 02:49:39 pm
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:

While not quite ready to put a deposit down I am curious enough about this bike that I have bought a plane ticket to Milan to go to EICMA and have a look.  Well, that is my excuse.

I wonder if the Yamaha T7 will also be there?  :o 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on October 10, 2018, 03:00:47 pm
C'mon EICMA..... While driving to work this morning I kind of convinced myself that I deserve this bike and should go put a deposit down  :imaposer:

While not quite ready to put a deposit down I am curious enough about this bike that I have bought a plane ticket to Milan to go to EICMA and have a look.  Well, that is my excuse.

I wonder if the Yamaha T7 will also be there? :o

I will go have a look and report back.  Although, the press and trade days are 2 days before the public days so everything will be on the internet.  But I want to see it all for myself this year.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 10, 2018, 03:42:45 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: mtr89 on October 10, 2018, 05:43:40 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on October 19, 2018, 12:23:10 pm
Looks like the successor of 1090 (whatever it is going to be called) will stay in production and follow 790's (or rather 990's) lead in getting low slung tanks:

(https://mcn-images.bauersecure.com/PageFiles/658513/1752x1168/KTM-spy03.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)

(https://mcn-images.bauersecure.com/PageFiles/658513/1752x1168/KTM-spy02.jpg?mode=max&quality=90&scale=down)

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/ktm-1090-adventure/ (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/ktm-1090-adventure/)

Few more generations down the line they may eventually evolve it into 990. Who knows - maybe KTM will in the future make big cc adventure bikes again, instead of the current breed of BMWs they are making...  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kelevra on October 19, 2018, 12:34:17 pm
Should have good wading capabilities with that snorkel  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Offroadrider on October 19, 2018, 01:11:56 pm
Typical KTM rider with his own Cell phone antenna
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 19, 2018, 01:22:47 pm
Typical KTM rider with his own Cell phone antenna

It's required. When you are in those remote low reception areas, you can still instagram pics of your huge balls.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2018, 01:28:28 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:

2SD making even more sense now - KTM losing the plot proper.  ::)
I am seeing a 701 on my radar.  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on October 19, 2018, 03:19:23 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:

2SD making even more sense now - KTM losing the plot proper.  ::)
I am seeing a 701 on my radar.  8)

Geez Dom that was a dig at your brand.  :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on October 19, 2018, 03:28:29 pm
Posted by KTM just one day ago

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2018, 04:03:40 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:

2SD making even more sense now - KTM losing the plot proper.  ::)
I am seeing a 701 on my radar.  8)

Geez Dom that was a dig at your brand.  :o

Which is what? I own 5 different ones? KTM?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on October 19, 2018, 04:15:49 pm
I am also looking forward to the 790. Is it only me or does the bike seem low and broad at the bottom, not a very good combination for riding a bit more technical.

The champion in "low and broad at the bottom" is the D/S world's best-seller. ::) :xxbah: :eek7: :dousing:

2SD making even more sense now - KTM losing the plot proper.  ::)
I am seeing a 701 on my radar.  8)

Geez Dom that was a dig at your brand.  :o

Which is what? I own 5 different ones? KTM?

Ish boet you converting. So proud!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on October 19, 2018, 04:17:49 pm
Posted by KTM just one day ago



Suspension is a deal breaker for me and out of all the videos I have seen recently across all brands this one looks like it walks the talk. Time will tell.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Minxy on October 19, 2018, 04:25:01 pm
Interesting article, not sure if it has been linked here before;

https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2018/july/more-details-of-ktms-790-adventure-r-coming-in-2019?fbclid=IwAR3aUdwWSo-pIyLqMiQq9HGOz0CbwmwzGENIHvkWs09rMOS7BwVXr_2ZutQ (https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2018/july/more-details-of-ktms-790-adventure-r-coming-in-2019?fbclid=IwAR3aUdwWSo-pIyLqMiQq9HGOz0CbwmwzGENIHvkWs09rMOS7BwVXr_2ZutQ)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 19, 2018, 04:43:45 pm
Sources close to the KTM boardroom tells me that the 790 actually has a false housing that looks like twin cylinders, but that there's actually a boxer hidden under those bottom-bulges. >:D

Another source, this time even closer to the boardroom, tells me that the protruding bottom-bulges is purely to lure BMW fans over.

BMW fans just love the fatty look.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 19, 2018, 05:11:44 pm
Posted by KTM just one day ago



Suspension is a deal breaker for me and out of all the videos I have seen recently across all brands this one looks like it walks the talk. Time will tell.

Sorry TJ but I must disagree on this - the suspension is the WP X-Plor ... anyone who has experienced them on the the new generation enduro bikes will tell you how underwhelming they are. They are in many ways a cost cutting downgraded suspension - looking for lighter less expensive materials, smaller internal dimensions, all at the cost of damping. Sure one can (Hilton Hayward and the gurus) work them over (at some considerable cost) to revalve, drill and flow better and while this improves them it is not the final fix. If you are hoping to use them as they are going to be delivered in any type of really demanding technical terrain, think again (many are retrofitting the previous 4860 open cartridge forks). Please note most of the R prototypes have had top of the line racing Cone Valve WP suspension ... chalk and cheese compared to X-Plor.

Have a look at this vid below - you may well find the T7 suspension is far superior. In fact KYB is probably the best suspension out there at present.
These two bikes are due in final versions next month at EiCMA and will go head to head, no doubt.

https://world-raid.com/it/gallery/europa/?gallery-item=781&fbclid=IwAR2l0BcBuzhv5LbUnL_M8nD--QbrXvPKPwxX2euyctCpw9bvIGmQ9KRYKe8
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on October 19, 2018, 09:33:00 pm
What can one say - both the 790 & T7 looks tha business in these clips ....
T7 definelately takes it  - at least as far as looks is concerned!!

In the end it is all going to come down to pricing and reliability I would say + off course brand loyalty ...  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 19, 2018, 10:11:39 pm
What can one say - both the 790 & T7 looks tha business in these clips ....
T7 definelately takes it  - at least as far as looks is concerned!!

In the end it is all going to come down to pricing and reliability I would say + off course brand loyalty ...  :pot:

Even disregarding brand loyalty, when it touches on reliability, the Yamaha has won already.

No insult intended.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on October 20, 2018, 10:17:25 am
speaking about the T7 ... the last video. European trip. I like the Italien part, it's my favorite place to ride off-road - Assietta, Sommelier, Strategic road. So beautiful in the Alpes.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 20, 2018, 10:21:25 am
That is the video I linked above  ::) but yes nice  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on October 20, 2018, 10:22:50 am
That is the video I linked above  ::) but yes nice  :thumleft:

Sorry, didn't see the link in your message. Old eyes.  :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 20, 2018, 10:29:37 am
That is the video I linked above  ::) but yes nice  :thumleft:

Sorry, didn't see the link in your message. Old eyes.  :o

No worries - also did not want to hi-jack the 790 thread too much  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on October 20, 2018, 10:33:10 am
In few months we will see a lot of test, reviews and comparions between the 790 and the T7 ... Stay tuned.

But next step will be to see them in real life in Milano. I will post pictures  ;)

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Nimmo on October 20, 2018, 10:40:03 am
"Adventure riding is about travelling long distances, and the capability to go off road"

That in a nutshell sums up my personal requirements - Everyone is going on about lighter, lighter, but who wants to do 800km a day on a 690 or Husky 701?
If the 790 gives you a lighter bike with range and you don't abuse it riding high revs the whole day then take my money.  :thumleft:
The 990 IMHO still does the thing afa getting to far off destinations but still being capable of doing proper off-road terrain, apart from gravel highways.

I think they have a winner because seems like a miniature 990 with more capability, lighter and easier handling :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 23, 2018, 09:16:22 am
The Yamaha has me sold I'm afraid.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on October 23, 2018, 09:58:42 am
The Yamaha has me sold I'm afraid.

I saw something yesterday that the new 850GS weighs something like 235kgs with some fuel in....So I guess it's not even bothering to compete with the KTM and Yamaha.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: WildWood on October 24, 2018, 08:29:48 am
"Adventure riding is about travelling long distances, and the capability to go off road"

That in a nutshell sums up my personal requirements - Everyone is going on about lighter, lighter, but who wants to do 800km a day on a 690 or Husky 701?
If the 790 gives you a lighter bike with range and you don't abuse it riding high revs the whole day then take my money.  :thumleft:
The 990 IMHO still does the thing afa getting to far off destinations but still being capable of doing proper off-road terrain, apart from gravel highways.

I think they have a winner because seems like a miniature 990 with more capability, lighter and easier handling :biggrin:
Mm

Try doing 800km in Kaokoland or Orange River mate. And that is really adventure riding . And see how many Ďadventureí  riders can do those tracks on a 990.
Road (gravel and tar) touring is not adventure.  Itís touring on a touring on recognized route with  known conditions. And I guess a dictionary might agree.


Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on October 24, 2018, 09:44:25 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on October 24, 2018, 10:44:39 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 24, 2018, 11:14:21 am
The 850GS just landed at dealers at 199k which is more than a 1090R  :o :o Tiger 800 is that price too.

Sure the GS is spec'd very high but that just leaves a gap in the market for the 790 and T7
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on October 24, 2018, 11:26:16 am
Holy Shit!! :o
And the members all had lots to say about the AT at R169k :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 24, 2018, 12:15:28 pm
Holy Shit!! :o
And the members all had lots to say about the AT at R169k :imaposer:

Priced per KG it's actually quite fair  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 24, 2018, 12:17:55 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

What a ridiculous statement from someone who rides a GS800. A bike that does not know whether it wants to be a girls or boys toy.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on October 24, 2018, 01:02:57 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

What a ridiculous statement from someone who rides a GS800. A bike that does not know whether it wants to be a girls or boys toy.  :imaposer:

Joh  :o - sorry for the badly hurt toe!!  :snorting:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 24, 2018, 01:27:22 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

What a ridiculous statement from someone who rides a GS800. A bike that does not know whether it wants to be a girls or boys toy.  :imaposer:

Joh  :o - sorry for the badly hurt toe!!  :snorting:

More like you stubbed yours, on that F800 centrestand.  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 24, 2018, 02:17:31 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

What a ridiculous statement from someone who rides a GS800. A bike that does not know whether it wants to be a girls or boys toy.  :imaposer:


Big LOL

Goodíol F800, does nothing well and boasts about it. Counts for the riders and bikes.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: XRRX on October 24, 2018, 02:22:21 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

What a ridiculous statement from someone who rides a GS800. A bike that does not know whether it wants to be a girls or boys toy.  :imaposer:


Big LOL

Goodíol F800, does nothing well and boasts about it. Counts for the riders and bikes.


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Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 24, 2018, 02:24:34 pm
In fact, the 701 excels at SO MUCH. It can get you where you need to go, in acceptable comfort (unless youíre a gravel highway/dusty tar road/XRRX type harley davidson cruiser), at an acceptable speed and can hit the trails hard, or slow for a long time, or short time without ever leaving you on your side due to excessive weight and underwhelming power and suspension all the while being very affordable. Affordable to crash and purchase.

ďMost guys, including myself...Ē pffft, please.

Thatís like saying most people buy Toyota corollas therefore a Porsche isnít good at anything besides going fast. And itís usually the guys in their silver toyota corollas on a 7 year payment plan that say that.

Average people donít know theyíre average and canít distinguish opinion from experience and taste. You just donít know what you donít know, like delivery bike riders thinking their bikes are LEGIT because they donít break on their gravel highway trips. lol


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Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 24, 2018, 02:25:38 pm
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on October 24, 2018, 02:31:37 pm
In fact, the 701 excels at SO MUCH. It can get you where you need to go, in acceptable comfort (unless youíre a gravel highway/dusty tar road cruiser), at an acceptable speed and can hit the trails hard, or slow for a long time, or short time without ever leaving you on your side due to excessive weight and underwhelming power and suspension all the while being very affordable. Affordable to crash and purchase.

ďMost guys, including myself...Ē pffft, please.

Thatís like saying most people buy Toyota corollas therefore a Porsche isnít good at anything besides going fast. And itís usually the guys in their silver toyota corollas on a 7 year payment plan that say that.


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I'd love a 701/690 but if I'm honest about what I use my bike for, it's like 90% tar and good dirt road and then 10% slightly trickier sections.  I have zero interest in beating the hell out of my bike or myself on hectic offroad stuff.     So I think the big twins are much more suited to what I want to do.  I want to travel and see cool sights....Sure a little unexpected tricky section now and then is cool and a nice story to tell at the end of the day, but just seeing more of the country and backroads appeals to me more.

790 MIGHT be a good compromise though. 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 24, 2018, 02:36:08 pm
In fact, the 701 excels at SO MUCH. It can get you where you need to go, in acceptable comfort (unless youíre a gravel highway/dusty tar road cruiser), at an acceptable speed and can hit the trails hard, or slow for a long time, or short time without ever leaving you on your side due to excessive weight and underwhelming power and suspension all the while being very affordable. Affordable to crash and purchase.

ďMost guys, including myself...Ē pffft, please.

Thatís like saying most people buy Toyota corollas therefore a Porsche isnít good at anything besides going fast. And itís usually the guys in their silver toyota corollas on a 7 year payment plan that say that.


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I'd love a 701/690 but if I'm honest about what I use my bike for, it's like 90% tar and good dirt road and then 10% slightly trickier sections.  I have zero interest in beating the hell out of my bike or myself on hectic offroad stuff.     So I think the big twins are much more suited to what I want to do.  I want to travel and see cool sights....Sure a little unexpected tricky section now and then is cool and a nice story to tell at the end of the day, but just seeing more of the country and backroads appeals to me more.

790 MIGHT be a good compromise though.

Very valid point and I agree, youíre clear about what you want out of the bike. Youíre however not disillusioned about what you use the bike for, how good your F800 is (not that you own a delivery bike at all) because you do good gravel roads and opinionated about a 701, which if they owned, theyíd reconsider saying itís a limiting bike.

In this case you own a bike that can rough it proper, cruise in comfort, rape a superbike and still go for a pleasure cruise. Gotta love the 1290R!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on October 24, 2018, 02:39:30 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!
People have been crossing Africa on little 250 toys
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 24, 2018, 02:40:34 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!
People have been crossing Africa on little 250 toys

Exactly.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Saddle Up on October 24, 2018, 08:29:03 pm
Ek also own a delivery bike. Will deliver KTM spares and much needed ego comfort to those in need.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on October 24, 2018, 09:00:18 pm
O koek, nou dat jy dit noem....
Al opgelet dat KTM dealers nie n KTM gebruik vir deliveries nie? :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 24, 2018, 09:37:14 pm
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!
People have been crossing Africa on little 250 toys
Perhaps you guys are missing his point.

You can cross Africa by foot as well, but there are better ways to do it.

701 can do many things, but few of the many it excels in.
Like my XR's

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 01:00:58 am

[/quote]

Like my XR's

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[/quote]

... maybe you should include XT fatties in your generalisation as well?  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 07:15:17 am


Like my XR's

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[/quote]

... maybe you should include XT fatties in your generalisation as well?  ::)
[/quote]

Nee wag toe nou, gedra vir jou. :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 07:21:39 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

It's like an athlete who competes in 7 different disciplines of athletics, and always places 3rd or 4th, while the 701 is that athlete who do only one or at most 2 disciplines, and always wins there.

GS1200 sales also accurately indicates what "the majority of riders" like. :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 07:31:11 am
Ek also own a delivery bike. Will deliver KTM spares and much needed ego comfort to those in need.

But how will you reach clients that live out on dirtroads? :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 25, 2018, 07:34:01 am


Like my XR's

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[/quote]

... maybe you should include XT fatties in your generalisation as well?  ::)
[/quote]No I meant to say XR.
:)

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 25, 2018, 07:41:42 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

It's like an athlete who competes in 7 different disciplines of athletics, and always places 3rd or 4th, while the 701 is that athlete who do only one or at most 2 disciplines, and always wins there.

GS1200 sales also accurately indicates what "the majority of riders" like. :eek7: :eek7:
Nice analogy.

Seems like I have it wrong then, as I always thought the 701 is the athlete who competes in 8 of the 10 routines and wins none.

As you own a 690 and been a biker for decades, I'm keen to hear your logic.
;)

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: w@nted on October 25, 2018, 08:28:26 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

It's like an athlete who competes in 7 different disciplines of athletics, and always places 3rd or 4th, while the 701 is that athlete who do only one or at most 2 disciplines, and always wins there.

GS1200 sales also accurately indicates what "the majority of riders" like. :eek7: :eek7:
Nice analogy.

Seems like I have it wrong then, as I always thought the 701 is the athlete who competes in 8 of the 10 routines and wins none.

As you own a 690 and been a biker for decades, I'm keen to hear your logic.
;)

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Coming from a BMW 1200GS LC, I made the switch to the 701. The only department the 701 does not win is tar highway cruising. It is till acceptable though and I can spend many hours on it without getting too uncomfortable. Off-road it is a beast, my talent running out way before the bike's capability. Fun factor also way better than the big bikes. Even tar twisties are more fun on the 701 than on the big bikes. With the 701 my confidence has grown a lot and I am constantly looking for new routes to explore that I would not want to do with the big bike. Less tiring and way more fun.

But that is just my opinion, having spend some time on both...

*PS, I had a BMW 800GS as well. That thing is nowhere in any department... :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 08:32:25 am
I am not sure why this thread has defaulted to the 701/690?  Maybe because that is the proper niche bike in this segment and in all likelihood will remain such (with the 790 looking increasingly like a near 200kg shortass "adventure traveller"  :pot:  Lets not forget that the 690/701 has proper Dakar heritage where it did that very well - look how sought after and revered the 690 RFR are.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: w@nted on October 25, 2018, 08:37:30 am
I am not sure why this thread has defaulted to the 701/690?  Maybe because that is the proper niche bike in this segment and in likelihood will remain such (with the 790 looking increasingly like a near 200kg shortass "adventure traveller"  :pot:  Lets not forget that the 690/701 has proper Dakar heritage where it did that very well - look how sought after and revered the 690 RFR are.

Any bike heavier than 165kg will always fall into the fatty department... :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 08:41:17 am
I am not sure why this thread has defaulted to the 701/690?  Maybe because that is the proper niche bike in this segment and in likelihood will remain such (with the 790 looking increasingly like a near 200kg shortass "adventure traveller"  :pot:  Lets not forget that the 690/701 has proper Dakar heritage where it did that very well - look how sought after and revered the 690 RFR are.

Any bike heavier than 165kg will always fall into the fatty department... :pot:

True.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 08:52:23 am


Like my XR's

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... maybe you should include XT fatties in your generalisation as well?  ::)
[/quote]No I meant to say XR.
:)

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[/quote]

You said XR ... but I see your profile says you ride a XT660. Really?  :patch:  Now theres a thing like a fat Swiss Army Knife ripoff made in China - with every possible tool for every tool ...  that does  many things but excels at none  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 09:09:31 am
@Wolfskaap,

Think of any road, surface, area where we as D/S riders can go ride on.

Now go through that list and tick off where the 690/701 will not win.

Of all sandy, rocky, muddy, hardpack, rutted, gnarly, brakebumpy, washout, watercrossings, etc................................the 690/701 will only be beaten on tar cruising.

And then ONLY if you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. >:D >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on October 25, 2018, 09:13:12 am
Yuuuup


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on October 25, 2018, 09:17:57 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

It's like an athlete who competes in 7 different disciplines of athletics, and always places 3rd or 4th, while the 701 is that athlete who do only one or at most 2 disciplines, and always wins there.

GS1200 sales also accurately indicates what "the majority of riders" like. :eek7: :eek7:
Nice analogy.

Seems like I have it wrong then, as I always thought the 701 is the athlete who competes in 8 of the 10 routines and wins none.

As you own a 690 and been a biker for decades, I'm keen to hear your logic.
;)

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What a big word , analogy,  I don`t like the way it starts...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 11:23:54 am
A lot of fuzz was made about the new AT too, and what are the new AT remembered for?
How nice the DCT version works?
So, what  new ground does the T7 or 790 break?
All this hype just  magnifies just how good the 701 is.

But yeah, I am excited for the injection of new models into this genre and it will bring lots of joy to owners I am sure.

Just remember the majority of riders - myself included - hates bikes like the 701 ...
To me it's a toy designed for a small scope of riding... at which it excels yes - but that's it!

It's like an athlete who competes in 7 different disciplines of athletics, and always places 3rd or 4th, while the 701 is that athlete who do only one or at most 2 disciplines, and always wins there.

GS1200 sales also accurately indicates what "the majority of riders" like. :eek7: :eek7:
Nice analogy.

Seems like I have it wrong then, as I always thought the 701 is the athlete who competes in 8 of the 10 routines and wins none.

As you own a 690 and been a biker for decades, I'm keen to hear your logic.
;)

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What a big word , analogy,  I don`t like the way it starts...

And it ends close to an orgy. :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 11:26:09 am
analogous with a metaphor?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on October 25, 2018, 11:58:04 am
Soooo.... (to break the vicious circle), will the 790 be ready to release at the coming motorcycle show?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 11:59:58 am
Soooo.... (to break the vicious circle), will the 790 be ready to release at the coming motorcycle show?

For sure it will be there at EICMA ... question is really will the Yamaha T7 be there after all the rondvok? My feeling is both will be there, head-to-head  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on October 25, 2018, 01:02:55 pm
Soooo.... (to break the vicious circle), will the 790 be ready to release at the coming motorcycle show?

For sure it will be there at EICMA ... question is really will the Yamaha T7 be there after all the rondvok? My feeling is both will be there, head-to-head  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 01:22:19 pm
Just another T7 cocktease  :peepwall:  Most are really tired of that fooking crate and kak.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on October 25, 2018, 01:42:21 pm
Just another T7 cocktease  :peepwall:  Most are really tired of that fooking crate and kak.
The crate will be opened at EICMA if not everyone will just buy a 790  :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 25, 2018, 02:08:13 pm
Just another T7 cocktease  :peepwall:  Most are really tired of that fooking crate and kak.
The crate will be opened at EICMA if not everyone will just buy a 790  :deal:

 :imaposer:  That crate is like a hoer's box - been opened and closed and filmed already so many times.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 25, 2018, 02:59:58 pm
I can just see them opening that crate to reveal a Yamaha piano.

Will still outhandle any Bmw. :ricky: :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on October 25, 2018, 03:07:11 pm
I can just see them opening that crate to reveal a Yamaha piano.

Will still outhandle any Bmw. :ricky: :3some:
Or the T7 prototype riding out on it's way on another 4 continent adventure  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Minxy on October 25, 2018, 04:13:04 pm
I can just see them opening that crate to reveal a Yamaha piano.

Will still outhandle any Bmw. :ricky: :3some:

This is the funniest thing I've heard all week :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on October 25, 2018, 04:22:56 pm
I can just see them opening that crate to reveal a Yamaha piano.

Will still outhandle any Bmw. :ricky: :3some:

The piano(even out of tune) also does not sound like a flat fart in C major....
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 25, 2018, 10:45:01 pm
@Wolfskaap,

Think of any road, surface, area where we as D/S riders can go ride on.

Now go through that list and tick off where the 690/701 will not win.

Of all sandy, rocky, muddy, hardpack, rutted, gnarly, brakebumpy, washout, watercrossings, etc................................the 690/701 will only be beaten on tar cruising.

And then ONLY if you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. >:D >:D

Sorry, been busy all day..

Beaten by what?

I can think of many bikes that would beat it at everything except thick sand:
500 will beat 701 everywhere except in thick sand perhaps. (but this depends on riding style. If you ride hard enough, the 500 will get out of the thick sand quicker and stay there for longer)
In tight terrain, a 300 will take the cake.

I don't feel guilty for mentioning the 701 as it (with extra tanks + screen) could very well be a suitable alternative to the 790. I think
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 25, 2018, 10:51:08 pm
You said XR ... but I see your profile says you ride a XT660. Really?  :patch:  Now theres a thing like a fat Swiss Army Knife ripoff made in China - with every possible tool for every tool ...  that does  many things but excels at none  :imaposer:
I had XR's, hence them being mentioned.
My ex-XT is certainly not part of this discussion.
;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Brink on October 25, 2018, 10:56:36 pm
The issue under discussion is DS bikes,,,,,
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 25, 2018, 11:02:11 pm
The issue under discussion is DS bikes,,,,,
A-ha.
Land of the blind kind of thing then.

OK, ignore my senseless statements then
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 04:37:30 am

[/quote]

Sorry, been busy all day..

Beaten by what?

I can think of many bikes that would beat it at everything except thick sand:
500 will beat 701 everywhere except in thick sand perhaps. (but this depends on riding style. If you ride hard enough, the 500 will get out of the thick sand quicker and stay there for longer)
In tight terrain, a 300 will take the cake.

I don't feel guilty for mentioning the 701 as it (with extra tanks + screen) could very well be a suitable alternative to the 790. I think
[/quote]

You can't now start wanting to compare plastic bikes 200 and 300cc smaller to find 'competition' - FFS that is just silly. The discussion here, as Brink says, is DS bikes in the 'half-loaf' category, and the 790 in the first instance. And you want to come with your fooking half a bunny chow comparisons.
Joh!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 26, 2018, 07:56:05 am
Still debatable actually.
Bunnychow is a viable option these days for DS.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 26, 2018, 08:00:28 am
@Wolfskaap,

Think of any road, surface, area where we as D/S riders can go ride on.

Now go through that list and tick off where the 690/701 will not win.

Of all sandy, rocky, muddy, hardpack, rutted, gnarly, brakebumpy, washout, watercrossings, etc................................the 690/701 will only be beaten on tar cruising.

And then ONLY if you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. >:D >:D

Sorry, been busy all day..

Beaten by what?

I can think of many bikes that would beat it at everything except thick sand:
500 will beat 701 everywhere except in thick sand perhaps. (but this depends on riding style. If you ride hard enough, the 500 will get out of the thick sand quicker and stay there for longer)
In tight terrain, a 300 will take the cake.

I don't feel guilty for mentioning the 701 as it (with extra tanks + screen) could very well be a suitable alternative to the 790. I think

Bring your "touring" 500/501, I'll just ride at 150kmh all day, for 10 days, without oil changes. :pot: :pot:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 26, 2018, 08:08:47 am
Haha. Maybe one routine where it will win.

As for your statement: "Think of any road, surface, area where we as D/S riders can go ride on."
I can think of 1 bike that will beat yours everywhere except on tar, where the 701 is by no means best in category.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on October 26, 2018, 08:13:24 am
What?? A dirt bike is better off-road than a 701?? This is news to me
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: erey on October 26, 2018, 08:14:17 am
A new KTM video. Nothing new

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 26, 2018, 08:15:10 am
@Wolfskaap,

Think of any road, surface, area where we as D/S riders can go ride on.

Now go through that list and tick off where the 690/701 will not win.

Of all sandy, rocky, muddy, hardpack, rutted, gnarly, brakebumpy, washout, watercrossings, etc................................the 690/701 will only be beaten on tar cruising.

And then ONLY if you are breaking the law by exceeding the speed limit. >:D >:D

Longevity  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 26, 2018, 08:21:48 am
A new KTM video. Nothing new



So the fooking Aussies spoke and KTM listened, God help us  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 08:51:44 am
Still debatable actually.
Bunnychow is a viable option these days for DS.


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I still claim there are 3 niche DS categories at present:

1) the 250-500 plastic fast food (read: bunnychow) bikes. Wanna be DS converts
2) the 650-790 (dare I say 800) half-loaves. Designed middle-weight DS adventure bikes ... aspiring increasingly to heavyweight division
3) the litre class super heavyweight mommas - white sliced full loaves. "Adventure traveller" road bikes designed for boy scout egos, getting bigger and more rider assist all the time...

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on October 26, 2018, 08:54:24 am
I'm stuck with a slight dilemma with the launch of the new 790 & T7. Is it worth selling my very clean 690 (which ticks almost all my boxes currently) for around R80K and investing another R80K into a bike which does pretty much exactly the same thing except a bit smoother and faster?  :-\
Currently I don't have the skills to ride a 690 close to it's potential offroad anyway so more speed will only be good on tar. That extra R80K could be well spent on a very good 2nd 300 2T or 500 4T. How am I going to justify this bike to myself?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: MiniDan on October 26, 2018, 08:54:26 am
What?? A dirt bike is better off-road than a 701?? This is news to me

Nice!!!!!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 09:28:09 am
I'm stuck with a slight dilemma with the launch of the new 790 & T7. Is it worth selling my very clean 690 (which ticks almost all my boxes currently) for around R80K and investing another R80K into a bike which does pretty much exactly the same thing except a bit smoother and faster?  :-\
Currently I don't have the skills to ride a 690 close to it's potential offroad anyway so more speed will only be good on tar. That extra R80K could be well spent on a very good 2nd 300 2T or 500 4T. How am I going to justify this bike to myself?

Good thinking. I think you are on the money.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 26, 2018, 09:50:03 am
What?? A dirt bike is better off-road than a 701?? This is news to me

Nice!!!!!


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Don't want to beat a dead horse but you also seem to miss the point; in the half-loaf scene (701) everyone is better than you.
This means yes, on dirt, you get owned and on tar too.

If you are looking for the best amongst mediocre options, this is the thread for you.
;)

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 10:47:47 am

[/quote]

If you are looking for the best amongst mediocre options, this is the thread for you.
;)

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[/quote]

Mediocrity has spoken  :o  I presume you are referring to the 790 which, as has been noted before, is what this thread is about.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 26, 2018, 11:18:08 am
If they can get the 790 working and sounding like the Nuda in this video then we are in for a treat.

Turn up the volume  :lol8:

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on October 26, 2018, 11:19:20 am
And nobody comments on the most important little titbit of the video?  The guy says 22-23 liters of fuel and KTM answers "you spoke, we listened".  Sounds good.

My problem is that having sold the 690 (and replaced by 701) my wife will be questioning the logic of adding a 790.  The line up in the garage will then be 500, 701, 790 and 1190.  The question I need an answer for is "why do you have two 700s?".  Please assist with providing wife convincing logic.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 26, 2018, 11:22:39 am
And nobody comments on the most important little titbit of the video?  The guy says 22-23 liters of fuel and KTM answers "you spoke, we listened".  Sounds good.

My problem is that having sold the 690 (and replaced by 701) my wife will be questioning the logic of adding a 790.  The line up in the garage will then be 500, 701, 790 and 1190.  The question I need an answer for is "why do you have two 700s?".  Please assist with providing wife convincing logic.

N+1 = number of bikes which should be in the garage. N is the current number.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 12:03:48 pm
And nobody comments on the most important little titbit of the video?  The guy says 22-23 liters of fuel and KTM answers "you spoke, we listened".  Sounds good.

My problem is that having sold the 690 (and replaced by 701) my wife will be questioning the logic of adding a 790.  The line up in the garage will then be 500, 701, 790 and 1190.  The question I need an answer for is "why do you have two 700s?".  Please assist with providing wife convincing logic.

Tell her it is a twin and as such is not a thumper and is smooth so she can ride pillion  8)  (unless of course she likes thumpers, which is not unheard of).  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rough Rider on October 26, 2018, 12:15:08 pm
And nobody comments on the most important little titbit of the video?  The guy says 22-23 liters of fuel and KTM answers "you spoke, we listened".  Sounds good.

My problem is that having sold the 690 (and replaced by 701) my wife will be questioning the logic of adding a 790.  The line up in the garage will then be 500, 701, 790 and 1190.  The question I need an answer for is "why do you have two 700s?".  Please assist with providing wife convincing logic.

Tell her it is a twin and as such is not a thumper and is smooth so she can ride pillion  8)  (unless of course she likes thumpers, which is not unheard of).  >:D

My SWAMBO prefers being on the back of the 690 rather that the 701 because of the vibrations  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 26, 2018, 12:28:53 pm
I'm stuck with a slight dilemma with the launch of the new 790 & T7. Is it worth selling my very clean 690 (which ticks almost all my boxes currently) for around R80K and investing another R80K into a bike which does pretty much exactly the same thing except a bit smoother and faster?  :-\
Currently I don't have the skills to ride a 690 close to it's potential offroad anyway so more speed will only be good on tar. That extra R80K could be well spent on a very good 2nd 300 2T or 500 4T. How am I going to justify this bike to myself?

Brett, the T7, and not even the 790, will come close to be able to do what your 690 can offroad. Not remotely close.

They will be smoother and faster, on tar.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 26, 2018, 12:35:08 pm
What?? A dirt bike is better off-road than a 701?? This is news to me

Nice!!!!!


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Don't want to beat a dead horse but you also seem to miss the point; in the half-loaf scene (701) everyone is better than you.
This means yes, on dirt, you get owned and on tar too.

If you are looking for the best amongst mediocre options, this is the thread for you.
;)

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I don't understand, how is everyone better than a 701 in the "halfloaf" 650 class ?

A 500/450/350/ must be trailered everywhere, due to it's short service intervals, while I can easily do 7500km on the 701 between oil changes.

I go on holiday to ride, not lie under a bike doing oil changes. ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 02:08:35 pm
And nobody comments on the most important little titbit of the video?  The guy says 22-23 liters of fuel and KTM answers "you spoke, we listened".  Sounds good.

My problem is that having sold the 690 (and replaced by 701) my wife will be questioning the logic of adding a 790.  The line up in the garage will then be 500, 701, 790 and 1190.  The question I need an answer for is "why do you have two 700s?".  Please assist with providing wife convincing logic.

Tell her it is a twin and as such is not a thumper and is smooth so she can ride pillion  8)  (unless of course she likes thumpers, which is not unheard of).  >:D

My SWAMBO prefers being on the back of the 690 rather that the 701 because of the vibrations  :lol8:

As I thought above - Good Vibrations  >:D

https://www.google.co.za/search?q=good+vibrations&oq=Good+Vibrations&aqs=chrome.0.0l6.3695j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 02:10:54 pm
I'm stuck with a slight dilemma with the launch of the new 790 & T7. Is it worth selling my very clean 690 (which ticks almost all my boxes currently) for around R80K and investing another R80K into a bike which does pretty much exactly the same thing except a bit smoother and faster?  :-\
Currently I don't have the skills to ride a 690 close to it's potential offroad anyway so more speed will only be good on tar. That extra R80K could be well spent on a very good 2nd 300 2T or 500 4T. How am I going to justify this bike to myself?

Brett, the T7, and not even the 790, will come close to be able to do what your 690 can offroad. Not remotely close.

They will be smoother and faster, on tar.

Agree, and quite possibly that is all ... oh and the iPad of course  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on October 26, 2018, 02:12:49 pm
If it indeed has the "I-Pad" and keyless key fob as with the 1290 then I am not interested :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 02:18:44 pm
If it indeed has the "I-Pad" and keyless key fob as with the 1290 then I am not interested :deal:

 :imaposer: 

Not holding my breath anymore - KTM going the full wuss rider assist direction for their "adventure travellers"  :eek7:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on October 26, 2018, 10:18:57 pm
Don't want to beat a dead horse but you also seem to miss the point; in the half-loaf scene (701) everyone is better than you.
This means yes, on dirt, you get owned and on tar too.

If you are looking for the best amongst mediocre options, this is the thread for you.
;)

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I don't understand, how is everyone better than a 701 in the "halfloaf" 650 class ?

A 500/450/350/ must be trailered everywhere, due to it's short service intervals, while I can easily do 7500km on the 701 between oil changes.

I go on holiday to ride, not lie under a bike doing oil changes. ::)
There is a thread for this discussion somewhere, lets not derail this 790 topic any further as everything I said had nothing to do with it.
 ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 26, 2018, 10:52:59 pm

[/quote]
There is a thread for this discussion somewhere, lets not derail this 790 topic any further as everything I said had nothing to do with it.
 ;)
[/quote]

Too true bru  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Striggs on October 27, 2018, 05:43:14 am
Gotten lost amongst all the comments on other bikes?  :deal:
 I understand there are going to be 2 versions of the 790, viz S and R..
Besides the height diff, does anyone know what other differences there may be?

I am of the shorter breed, so will go for the S as I don't have a 690 or 701...  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 27, 2018, 05:57:37 am
Gotten lost amongst all the comments on other bikes?  :deal:
 I understand there are going to be 2 versions of the 790, viz S and R..
Besides the height diff, does anyone know what other differences there may be?

I am of the shorter breed, so will go for the S as I don't have a 690 or 701...  :lol8:

I dont think anyone knows but my guess is it will be much like previous models. S more Street R more Race ... probably 'Race' would be better here. S may have less suspension travel (lower yes), milder tuning, bigger iPad for those shortsighted, more rider assist (or probably less), centre stand, coffee cup holder ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 27, 2018, 04:44:20 pm
Gotten lost amongst all the comments on other bikes?  :deal:
 I understand there are going to be 2 versions of the 790, viz S and R..
Besides the height diff, does anyone know what other differences there may be?

I am of the shorter breed, so will go for the S as I don't have a 690 or 701...  :lol8:

I dont think anyone knows but my guess is it will be much like previous models. S more Street R more Race ... probably 'Race' would be better here. S may have less suspension travel (lower yes), milder tuning, bigger iPad for those shortsighted, more rider assist (or probably less), centre stand, coffee cup holder ...

And probably a handlebr-end hook to hang your Porta-potti from. :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 27, 2018, 05:05:26 pm
Exciting times, I can't wait to see this bike for real.

I am not hardcore and a 500 will not work for me, especially on the trips I have in mind where comfort counts as well.
This bike as well as the T7 is going to tick all the boxes for most of us.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Striggs on October 27, 2018, 09:23:33 pm
Gotten lost amongst all the comments on other bikes?  :deal:
 I understand there are going to be 2 versions of the 790, viz S and R..
Besides the height diff, does anyone know what other differences there may be?

I am of the shorter breed, so will go for the S as I don't have a 690 or 701...  :lol8:

I dont think anyone knows but my guess is it will be much like previous models. S more Street R more Race ... probably 'Race' would be better here. S may have less suspension travel (lower yes), milder tuning, bigger iPad for those shortsighted, more rider assist (or probably less), centre stand, coffee cup holder ...

And probably a handlebr-end hook to hang your Porta-potti from. :xxbah:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on October 29, 2018, 08:57:16 am


Edit: Whoops - sorry, I see now it has been posted already.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on October 29, 2018, 09:01:25 am
Ugh - the road going version looks positively hideous: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on October 29, 2018, 10:45:04 am
Ugh - the road going version looks positively hideous: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
I thought the same thing when I saw it, the bike ticks a lot of boxes but style isn't one of them. Hopefully when it gets proper colours to match the white frame the looks might improve, but the whole headlight/tank/shrouds/radiator covers look very un integrated. Which is strange since they got the 950/990 right in those areas. Time to review the Kiska partnership methinks???
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 29, 2018, 11:30:51 am
Yeah rather fugly but the black is notoriously unflattering on protos. I also wonder why they did not just leave the white frames as a Husky signature? Silly design blunder imo.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on October 30, 2018, 06:45:43 am
Does anyone know what WP 'Apex' forks are? It says so on the stanchions of this (possible) S model. Haven't heard of them before, and google turns up nothing. Xplor? Just hope they aren't dumping left over 4CS stocks on us....
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on October 30, 2018, 06:51:18 am
Yeah rather fugly but the black is notoriously unflattering on protos. I also wonder why they did not just leave the white frames as a Husky signature? Silly design blunder imo.

I guess it's because White was the original KTM brand colour, then Baby Blue. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on October 30, 2018, 06:53:44 am
Gotten lost amongst all the comments on other bikes?  :deal:
 I understand there are going to be 2 versions of the 790, viz S and R..
Besides the height diff, does anyone know what other differences there may be?

I am of the shorter breed, so will go for the S as I don't have a 690 or 701...  :lol8:

I dont think anyone knows but my guess is it will be much like previous models. S more Street R more Race ... probably 'Race' would be better here. S may have less suspension travel (lower yes), milder tuning, bigger iPad for those shortsighted, more rider assist (or probably less), centre stand, coffee cup holder ...

And probably a handlebr-end hook to hang your Porta-potti from. :xxbah:

Ja, us Oldies don't need a porta pottie (we've got adult nappies)  :biggrin: 
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on October 30, 2018, 11:14:29 am
Does anyone know what WP 'Apex' forks are? It says so on the stanchions of this (possible) S model. Haven't heard of them before, and google turns up nothing. Xplor? Just hope they aren't dumping left over 4CS stocks on us....

No they put those on the Husky's - Xplor not much better imo.

Apex make scooter forks  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Piet on October 30, 2018, 11:24:27 am
Ugh - the road going version looks positively hideous: https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bn3qmjmnZoL/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet)
Agree! Looks like a 2014 V-strom 650 with droopy boobs...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 05, 2018, 09:56:55 am
Tic toc.... cmon EICMA....
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 09:59:13 am
Tic toc.... cmon EICMA....

Tic TOC tic TOC , its going to be a foKOP! :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 10:07:13 am
Tic toc.... cmon EICMA....

Tic TOC tic TOC , its going to be a foKOP! :lol8:

Nee man moenie so IS nie, wees positief! Iím SUPER freaking excited, even for the T7!!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 10:14:31 am
Tic toc.... cmon EICMA....

Tic TOC tic TOC , its going to be a foKOP! :lol8:

Nee man moenie so IS nie, wees positief! Iím SUPER freaking excited, even for the T7!!


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Haha..ja 2019 gaan groot jaar wees vir adv biking! Kan nie wag vir die specs van al hierdie bikes!  Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 08:45:43 pm
Any specs on this?..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: mtr89 on November 06, 2018, 08:23:50 am
Yamaha has released their specs and unveiled the Tenere
Now we wait impatiently for the KTM specs to come out.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 08:38:01 am
Yamaha has released their specs and unveiled the Tenere
Now we wait impatiently for the KTM specs to come out.
The bar is not very high now
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 06, 2018, 08:54:39 am
Yamaha has released their specs and unveiled the Tenere
Now we wait impatiently for the KTM specs to come out.
14:00 SA time it will be unveiled at EICMA
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 09:10:23 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.



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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 09:11:24 am
Yamaha has released their specs and unveiled the Tenere
Now we wait impatiently for the KTM specs to come out.
The bar is not very high now

The bar has fallen off the supports and itís lying on the ground.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 09:11:51 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It easily wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.



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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 09:41:07 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.

I heard rumours of 850 seat height. Doesn't bode well for suspension travel but makes it a little more accessible to people of my 'height'
Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 09:43:44 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.

I heard rumours of 850 seat height. Doesn't bode well for suspension travel but makes it a little more accessible to people of my 'height'

It does!Holding thumbs but I fear the seat height is going to eat into the suspenders.

PLEASE BIKE GODS, give us a proper bike with long legs, a big heart and a lead body!!!!

EDIT: Meant to say it DOES, not doesnít :)

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: IDR on November 06, 2018, 10:02:45 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.

I heard rumours of 850 seat height. Doesn't bode well for suspension travel but makes it a little more accessible to people of my 'height'

But don't we already know that there will be two versions - road-going and an "R"?

The problem with a parallel twin as opposed to a V-twin, is that it doesn't sit so lekker in the frame, and if you put fuel on top of it, you have a top-heavy dog.  Nevermind if you have a deep sump as well - like the Tenere 700.

The sump in the Duke 790 is a lot shallower, so I think you're already winning there on ground clearance.  Then with the low-slung fuel it may actually be quite pleasant ;D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 10:13:43 am
Yeah some articles said maybe even 3 versions (S, T, R). I'd have either as long as it's 21". Not too bothered about hard core. I need a 50/50 touring bike in my life again  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 10:14:12 am
My Prediction:

198kg Wet
235mm Suspension Travel

It wins at those specs, anything better it destroys.

I heard rumours of 850 seat height. Doesn't bode well for suspension travel but makes it a little more accessible to people of my 'height'

But don't we already know that there will be two versions - road-going and an "R"?

The problem with a parallel twin as opposed to a V-twin, is that it doesn't sit so lekker in the frame, and if you put fuel on top of it, you have a top-heavy dog.  Nevermind if you have a deep sump as well - like the Tenere 700.

The sump in the Duke 790 is a lot shallower, so I think you're already winning there on ground clearance.  Then with the low-slung fuel it may actually be quite pleasant ;D

There will likely be, but the R weíre hoping to be at 235 Susp travel.

If I scan those spec sheets and see 250mm or 265mm, Iíll spontaneously combust.

Weight Ií sure the R will come in below 200 Wet, probably 195


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 10:20:27 am
Even if it's 300mm travel it better look better than the prototype we have seen so far  :snorting:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 10:24:36 am
Even if it's 300mm travel it better look better than the prototype we have seen so far  :snorting:

ANY ADV bike blacked out with low-slung tanks will look kak.

Donít come with your negativity here, this is a big moment for me, and for others Iím sure ;) lol

I long for the days where I bike was launched and it freaking blew everyones minds. Like when the SE and HP2 were launched! So much so that some people bought 2 or 3 in one go!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 10:26:16 am
Even if it's 300mm travel it better look better than the prototype we have seen so far  :snorting:

ANY ADV bike blacked out with low-slung tanks will look kak.

Donít come with your negativity here, this is a big moment for me, and for others Iím sure ;) lol

I long for the days where I bike was launched and it freaking blew everyones minds. Like when the SE and HP2 were launched! So much so that some people bought 2 or 3 in one go!


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And to be fair, if it comes with 300mm 48mm forks, under 190 Wet with 100+hp, it can look like a POS and Iíll still buy it with a smile and a ďsnotneusieĒ


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 10:27:46 am
Even if it's 300mm travel it better look better than the prototype we have seen so far  :snorting:

ANY ADV bike blacked out with low-slung tanks will look kak.

Donít come with your negativity here, this is a big moment for me, and for others Iím sure ;) lol

I long for the days where I bike was launched and it freaking blew everyones minds. Like when the SE and HP2 were launched! So much so that some people bought 2 or 3 in one go!


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2PM I hear. The T7 stayed pretty close the prototypes look, lets see what they do with the 790.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on November 06, 2018, 11:11:20 am
What is all this fuss about suspension travel. You riding a tank, not an enduro bike and wont be blasting over rocks and ledges at crazy speeds.

Because no matter the travel, with something that heavy, no suspension will be able to carry it over big obstacles at speed and be comfortable on longer stretches of gravel. Having a lot of travel will just make it handle like shit at highways speeds.

If suspension travel is important, get a 500 or at best a 701/690
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on November 06, 2018, 12:24:53 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

(https://5g67bg.db.files.1drv.com/y4mQ6sfjE8G8ZaU1EBPT4OXXGkSenSMXbfH7SClXF_eGpGxbXOoRvR1e_7tJtBXOxd9eI2B3xQi1-_CUNxi9L5IcHdLecdnlL06orDEkTGvc-spNbOlWCknWea3ldpY5HbMFkXiXTjuSwudZcbk2LMHqjdXoZMdQLz66aLQsYoD4Ph-wyfDzrW0qIcN0GExG9hwqyP7xvY0viPxy_W1MTC_rw?width=900&height=480&cropmode=none)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 12:27:05 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

This makes me VERY FREAKING HAPPY!

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it isnít my dream number of 265 for an adv bike, very respectable indeed.

Now if they can do us a proper with 190 Wet Weight, itís going to blow many minds.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 06, 2018, 12:51:56 pm
You can follow the KTM news from EICMA live in about 1 hour -

https://www.youtube.com/v/KOSnvon7mQ0&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3ulKYBFiV-5NX-1N604Pk2ylsf-iYv1CLDU0Fkq0Fj6gDTQE_JeBsOmDc
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 01:10:01 pm
With all this 790 excitement, I completely forgot about the 690. Think we'll see new Enduro and SMC?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 01:10:54 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

This makes me VERY FREAKING HAPPY!

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it isnít my dream number of 265 for an adv bike, very respectable indeed.

Now if they can do us a proper with 190 Wet Weight, itís going to blow many minds.


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Are you looking forward to the release? :lol8:..chill net n bietjie, ek is bang jy pop n aar!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 01:12:11 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

This makes me VERY FREAKING HAPPY!

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it isnít my dream number of 265 for an adv bike, very respectable indeed.

Now if they can do us a proper with 190 Wet Weight, itís going to blow many minds.


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Are you looking forward to the release? :lol8:..chill net n bietjie, ek is bang jy pop n aar!

Are gaan geĒpopĒ word, vraag is hoeveel...


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 01:27:24 pm
With all this 790 excitement, I completely forgot about the 690. Think we'll see new Enduro and SMC?

Yes the 690 will have the Duke motor etc and be like an orange Husky 701. Whether they will keep the Xplor suspension remains to be seen but engine is changing.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 01:36:13 pm
With all this 790 excitement, I completely forgot about the 690. Think we'll see new Enduro and SMC?

Yes the 690 will have the Duke motor etc and be like an orange Husky 701. Whether they will keep the Xplor suspension remains to be seen but engine is changing.

Orange 701. That's funny
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 01:43:22 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

This makes me VERY FREAKING HAPPY!

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it isnít my dream number of 265 for an adv bike, very respectable indeed.

Now if they can do us a proper with 190 Wet Weight, itís going to blow many minds.


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That's about 170kg dry. Should be less IMO. Their 690 weighs 142kg... Only little heavier engine.. Should be 160kg dry!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 01:44:39 pm
My Prediction:
235mm Suspension Travel

It has already been leaked that the suspension will be 240mm for the R version.

This makes me VERY FREAKING HAPPY!

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, it isnít my dream number of 265 for an adv bike, very respectable indeed.

Now if they can do us a proper with 190 Wet Weight, itís going to blow many minds.


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That's about 170kg dry. Should be less IMO. Their 690 weighs 142kg... Only little heavier engine.. Should be 160kg dry!

Nee kyk, as hulle praat van 160kg dry is dit tickets met
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Striggs on November 06, 2018, 02:08:54 pm
Watch this



Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 02:18:57 pm
Wow that is actually quite close to the concept
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 02:21:47 pm
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Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 02:25:29 pm
Specs anyone?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: LanC on November 06, 2018, 02:27:59 pm
189KG dry  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on November 06, 2018, 02:29:34 pm
Just looked at the same pic paused on the video.  I see the R has an Acro exhaust.  What is the chance it will be standard on the bike?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Pom17 on November 06, 2018, 02:30:17 pm
Just looked at the same pic paused on the video.  I see the R has an Acro exhaust.  What is the chance it will be standard on the bike?

0%  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on November 06, 2018, 02:30:59 pm
189KG dry  ::)

Where did you get that?  From the comments on the side?

I did not see any specs in the video and someone mentioned specs still to come.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 06, 2018, 02:32:03 pm
I don't think that is going to sway non-ktm fans to the brand. It's not exactly pretty
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 02:36:19 pm
I don't think that is going to sway non-ktm fans to the brand. It's not exactly pretty
Especially the Adventure on the right
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 02:37:29 pm
Nog n vetgat!! >:(

Ek kan dit nie glo nie!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on November 06, 2018, 02:37:54 pm
Full Specs

KTM 790 Adventure R
(https://5g4gpg.db.files.1drv.com/y4mCfTbXNhsHujhz13pE9ypJ4AgKp6P50Qw-wdQ83cT5JmCYyMZ7kUeqF1KHgEUg_B0KEoOeyd6IDwqKKpRlipJ_hdTTNb7H6NEEIIMyS9T8IIBjfxLAWbHjG1GAaf6AjQcxBR6oSVHpTSiNtasFXczAcn2qIyo4rrQ-VrQuYW8HK5HCHJkxHqB3gXBnR27ff1-Dy8Sq0umKyBnHMTL6wXLrA?width=1024&height=555&cropmode=none)



KTM 790 Adventure
(https://424gpg.db.files.1drv.com/y4mf3h7zaHKYnG3bEwEKDE1jQV4D9KNXyNfkqqwS4lcDbqSAG7CFJt71XJOnZbOpTu8y1XJThoy49w28zfeuT6qfXQCbLd52h6Sw6-wFFjnMB6OQz255_lpSsd14_8iSpY31I0IFc0W2MKvcYpylsQm6XlH138GwZW-Gy91hautc1Fd-eP-f21PAZ1w7b00B9DfHsgsTHE5b1atcAVuBgrP-Q?width=1024&height=554&cropmode=none)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 02:38:42 pm
So the T7 may end up being lighter, a Yamaha lighter than a KTM  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Constantinople on November 06, 2018, 02:40:19 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.

So the KTM is basically the T7 with more oomph and longer range. Suspension unknown.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 02:41:51 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.

So the KTM is basically the T7 with more oomph and longer range. Suspension unknown.
T7 is 100cc less though, 70KW is healthy for KTM
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 02:42:16 pm
Don't worry guys. Its not the end of the world!..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 06, 2018, 02:43:03 pm
What about the deal-breaking 5mm extra diameter in the front forks? Has it got that?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 02:49:25 pm
Full Specs

KTM 790 Adventure R
(https://5g4gpg.db.files.1drv.com/y4mCfTbXNhsHujhz13pE9ypJ4AgKp6P50Qw-wdQ83cT5JmCYyMZ7kUeqF1KHgEUg_B0KEoOeyd6IDwqKKpRlipJ_hdTTNb7H6NEEIIMyS9T8IIBjfxLAWbHjG1GAaf6AjQcxBR6oSVHpTSiNtasFXczAcn2qIyo4rrQ-VrQuYW8HK5HCHJkxHqB3gXBnR27ff1-Dy8Sq0umKyBnHMTL6wXLrA?width=1024&height=555&cropmode=none)



KTM 790 Adventure
(https://424gpg.db.files.1drv.com/y4mf3h7zaHKYnG3bEwEKDE1jQV4D9KNXyNfkqqwS4lcDbqSAG7CFJt71XJOnZbOpTu8y1XJThoy49w28zfeuT6qfXQCbLd52h6Sw6-wFFjnMB6OQz255_lpSsd14_8iSpY31I0IFc0W2MKvcYpylsQm6XlH138GwZW-Gy91hautc1Fd-eP-f21PAZ1w7b00B9DfHsgsTHE5b1atcAVuBgrP-Q?width=1024&height=554&cropmode=none)

This is good people, real good!


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 02:50:17 pm
Is the R the final production bike ? I don't see mirrors or pillion pegs like the Adv has. More like the bike they have been testing with lately.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bappas on November 06, 2018, 02:56:49 pm
Now we can look forward to threads about crappy air boxes, premature engine failures, the heat of the exhaust( have you had a look at that ugly thing)
Electric gremlins galore.Etc Etc Etc.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 06, 2018, 02:59:57 pm
I'd love to see a Husky version, in their colour scheme.

A bit like the 701 looks better than the 690, I'm getting tired of the orange.

But, if I could afford a new bike, I'd be having a good look at this one ............  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 03:04:08 pm
What about the 390adv? Is it also released?..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: chicco on November 06, 2018, 03:18:26 pm
 ;) 1090 ADV R and 790 ADV R
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 03:21:44 pm
What about the 390adv? Is it also released?..
Don't think so, the new 690 is quite nice. Glad KTM still makes the big singles  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: IDR on November 06, 2018, 03:26:21 pm
Is it just me or is the swingarm pivot in an odd place?

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=217106.0;attach=613878;image)

I'd be interested to see the LHS.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 03:27:08 pm
What about the 390adv? Is it also released?..
Don't think so, the new 690 is quite nice. Glad KTM still makes the big singles  :thumleft:

Yes! Was the 690 released? Didn't watch the streaming.

Best new KTM for 2019 imo..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on November 06, 2018, 03:27:22 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.




Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:

189 + 20 = 209
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 03:29:29 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.




Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:

189 + 20 = 209

Petrol weighs less than 1kg/litre.. I think about .85kg/litre..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 03:30:08 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.

So the KTM is basically the T7 with more oomph and longer range.Suspension unknown.

T7  43mm KYB
790 45mm WP Xplor
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 03:40:55 pm
 8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Gavin on November 06, 2018, 03:43:37 pm
KTM also 43mm forks
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: chopperpilot on November 06, 2018, 03:44:09 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.




Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:

189 + 20 = 209

Petrol weighs less than 1kg/litre.. I think about .85kg/litre..
Isn't the T7 tank 16 liters? :o

Add the weight of 4 liters petrol to be fair... 3.4kgs...:biggrin:

BTW...I'm orange...but like the blue's looks. ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 06, 2018, 03:44:47 pm
KTM also 43mm forks
R has 48mm
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 03:46:33 pm
KTM also 43mm forks

Not the R
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Gavin on November 06, 2018, 03:48:56 pm
you are right sorry !!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 06, 2018, 03:53:00 pm
So now we know what WP 'Apex' means, 43mm. Wonder what adjustability it has? And no PDS on the shock? Are they relying on Progressive spring only to control the upper regions?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on November 06, 2018, 03:58:38 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.




Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:

189 + 20 = 209

Petrol weighs less than 1kg/litre.. I think about .85kg/litre..

Ok fair enough, but 189 + 20 still equals 209  :P :P  :thumleft: :biggrin: :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on November 06, 2018, 03:59:37 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rexc-w on November 06, 2018, 04:00:40 pm
Full wet it will be about 30kg lighter than a stock 1x90R series bike.  Sure 30kg will make a big difference. Seat height is definitely to my liking.
In principal the bike looks pretty nice.  Will have to ride one and see - riding position, motor, suspension, pillion capable etc?

Hope they have some mud protection for rear shock mount. There were none on the demo bike.
Hope that headlight mount is stronger than on 1x90 series bikes.
Hope it doesn't have a Tablet - but pretty sure it will.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 04:00:48 pm
Power to weight compared to SE?

Whatís the SEís dry weight and power?


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 06, 2018, 04:03:34 pm
Full wet it will be about 30kg lighter than a stock 1x90R series bike.  Sure 30kg will make a big difference. Seat height is definitely to my liking.
In principal the bike looks pretty nice.  Will have to ride one and see - riding position, motor, suspension, pillion capable etc?

Hope they have some mud protection for rear shock mount. There were none on the demo bike.
Hope that headlight mount is stronger than on 1x90 series bikes.
Hope it doesn't have a Tablet - but pretty sure it will.
They've had a road bike type 'hugger' on spy pics for a while. Could still do with a neoprene cover over the lower heim though, but easy to make
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: J-dog on November 06, 2018, 04:04:27 pm
It looks like a 690 had sex with an 1190 and a bastard was born. Nothing else to be said.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 04:10:41 pm
Power to weight compared to SE?

Whatís the SEís dry weight and power?


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Almost exactly the same power to weight I see.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 04:14:44 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.




Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:

189 + 20 = 209

Petrol weighs less than 1kg/litre.. I think about .85kg/litre..

Ok fair enough, but 189 + 20 still equals 209  :P :P  :thumleft: :biggrin: :peepwall:

 :lol8: you're right!  Maths is my strongpoint....NOT!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 06, 2018, 04:16:00 pm
Power to weight compared to SE?

Whatís the SEís dry weight and power?


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Almost exactly the same power to weight I see.

Yummy


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Wat nou? Is dit nou n goeie bike of k@k bike? :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 04:17:58 pm
Power to weight compared to SE?

Whatís the SEís dry weight and power?


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Almost exactly the same power to weight I see.

Yummy


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Wat nou? Is dit nou n goeie bike of k@k bike? :patch:

Stel dit so, die outjie gaan nie net die 1290R en 1090R verkope kannibaliseer nie, maar AT, T7 en (nie dat dit regte bikes is nie) die 850GS.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Constantinople on November 06, 2018, 04:21:24 pm
KTM 189 + 20 = 205 kg wet (wee bit less)
T7 205 kg wet.

Maths not your strong point then? :biggrin:
189 + 20 = 209

 :imaposer:
Oops!
I added the dry weight of the KTM with the tank volume of the T7 189+16 = 205kg in my head to compare directly with same amount of fuel as T7, but I typed it incorrectly...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Rexc-w on November 06, 2018, 04:21:31 pm
Power to weight compared to SE?

Whatís the SEís dry weight and power?


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Almost exactly the same power to weight I see.

Yummy


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Wat nou? Is dit nou n goeie bike of k@k bike? :patch:

Op papier lyk die model meer Yammie as die Yammie  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 04:40:45 pm
So now we know what WP 'Apex' means, 43mm. Wonder what adjustability it has? And no PDS on the shock? Are they relying on Progressive spring only to control the upper regions?

I am guessing as much - the Duke does not have adjustment on the front  ::) :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 06, 2018, 04:52:37 pm
So now we know what WP 'Apex' means, 43mm. Wonder what adjustability it has? And no PDS on the shock? Are they relying on Progressive spring only to control the upper regions?

I am guessing as much - the Duke does not have adjustment on the front  ::) :o
Bummer. And no tweaks on the shock from what I can see, not even hydraulic preload. R version has all. And no frame mounting points for centerstand? Pity. But it does have removeable subframe. And proper chain guide. Wonder what the airbox will be like, I see its a 'slide in' type of cartridge (except don't look at the online pics, its upside down from what I can make out...)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 06, 2018, 05:01:28 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 06, 2018, 05:16:01 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...
Please Please, that is by no means a comparison, in-fact it's an insult. GS 800 is nowhere near the same bike, try something better as a comparison.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Etienne2T on November 06, 2018, 05:30:59 pm
I love the bickering over the potential 4kg overweight of the bike when most of you guys weigh close to 100kg in any case
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 05:39:05 pm
I love the bickering over the potential 4kg overweight of the bike when most of you guys weigh close to 100kg in any case

 :3some: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kamanya on November 06, 2018, 06:24:09 pm
I love the bickering over the potential 4kg overweight of the bike when most of you guys weigh close to 100kg in any case

Wash your fucking mouth out. I am a healthy 106kgís Iíll have you know!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 07:19:26 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ashley.baud/videos/10217898978327471/

Insightful interview
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Ian Bean on November 06, 2018, 07:59:09 pm
https://youtu.be/bhULzL2HeQ8
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on November 06, 2018, 08:48:20 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...

The amount of fiction posted on this thread is just astounding!
The BMW F800GS has a wet weight of 217kg (16 litre tank). So a dry weight of 178.8kg is just pure fiction.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/en/models/adventure/f800gs.html
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 08:52:38 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...

The amount of fiction posted on this thread is just astounding!
The BMW F800GS has a wet weight of 217kg (16 litre tank). So a dry weight of 178.8kg is just pure fiction.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/en/models/adventure/f800gs.html

I know, itís part of a new fictional series called: ďLetís pretend to know stuff and broadcast it with absolute confidenceĒ

That was another delusion I saw earlier but forgot to correct.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Bill the Bong on November 06, 2018, 08:58:26 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...

The amount of fiction posted on this thread is just astounding!
The BMW F800GS has a wet weight of 217kg (16 litre tank). So a dry weight of 178.8kg is just pure fiction.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/en/models/adventure/f800gs.html

I know, itís part of a new fictional series called: ďLetís pretend to know stuff and broadcast it with absolute confidenceĒ

That was another delusion I saw earlier but forgot to correct.


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I had my F8GS weighed, was 227kg with about 1/2 tank.  Had crash bars on.  I think they're about 4 kg.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: SlŠinte Mhaith on November 06, 2018, 08:59:03 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...

The amount of fiction posted on this thread is just astounding!
The BMW F800GS has a wet weight of 217kg (16 litre tank). So a dry weight of 178.8kg is just pure fiction.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/en/models/adventure/f800gs.html

Have a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_F_series_parallel-twin
Bottom right

Weight seem to differ a lot from minimum 179kg dry to max 214kg wet.

I also think it is very much in the same class as the 800GS. Many similarities with the necessary improvements.
Title: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 06, 2018, 09:04:20 pm
Just FYI edited post I made in the EICMA 2018 Thread:


 - Honda AT (NON DCT) is 232kg WET (18.8L of Fuel)
 - KTM 790 ADV R is 205kg WET (20L of Fuel)

AND - Thatís with the 790R having 1.2L more fuel!

So relatively speaking, the AT is 28.8kg heavier!!!

Same Power at 70kw, but the 790R is a whopping 27kg less! More importantly, 20L of fuel is sitting 70% lower than the AT. This is colossal chaps.

Then we havenít even compared ground clearance, seat height, suspension and instrumentation capabilities.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 07, 2018, 06:30:05 am
Let's face it, if you are the type of rider that says 25 kilos and suspension don't make a difference, then this bike is not built for you

The standard adventure is purely to try and get sales from other brands but being so damn ugly, I doubt it will
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 06:40:07 am
Let's face it, if you are the type of rider that says 25 kilos and suspension don't make a difference, then this bike is not built for you

The standard adventure is purely to try and get sales from other brands but being so damn ugly, I doubt it will

Ja, they looking to capture the middle of the road and entry level adv rider as well - all about market share and penetration. Unfortunately both models will still be on the porky side for anything properly adventurous. AND this is why the 690/701 will still be on the market and a go-to ADV bike in the 'half loaf' sector for those in the know - a 60kg lighter bike is ENORMOUS when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 07, 2018, 07:28:16 am
I see cruise control optional. Check out the airfilter location. Powerparts filter shown in pic. Clever. The more I read about it the more I like it
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 07, 2018, 07:30:57 am
I see cruise control optional. Check out the airfilter location. Powerparts filter shown in pic. Clever. The more I read about it the more I like it
Yeah but I think if you look at the wedge that filter is shown upside down. Still a good idea, just hope that you can get a good seal. Always prefer filters you can 'clamp down' and run your finger around to check. Hopefully they learnt from the 1190 debacle
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: IDR on November 07, 2018, 07:42:37 am
Ha, that is clever... so the airbox runs under the seat?  Might be tingly ;D

Can't see the air intake there, but surely so far back it may suck quite a bit of dust?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 07, 2018, 07:53:04 am
Standard adventure seat is height adjustable. Doesn't have clicker adjusters on the forks though and doesn't say anything about being adjustable

Ha, that is clever... so the airbox runs under the seat?  Might be tingly ;D

Can't see the air intake there, but surely so far back it may suck quite a bit of dust?

Will have to see but it beats the hell out of having to consult the manual and stripping your entire front end to replace a filter. TWICE!! (tsk tsk Honda)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 07:56:18 am
In the video it is two screws to access airfilter.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 07, 2018, 07:59:50 am
I wonder where the battery is then? Same place as the 990 maybe?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 08:30:22 am
I see cruise control optional. Check out the airfilter location. Powerparts filter shown in pic. Clever. The more I read about it the more I like it

Yup, I thought this was VERY clever! Letís hope the execution is too. Being able to quickly check and clean your filter goes a long way in looking after your bike and being able to go ďoff the beaten trackĒ.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 08:31:45 am
I wonder where the battery is then? Same place as the 990 maybe?

It makes sense to have the weight there, but flip, itís quite cumbersome to get to the battery.

Sure theyíll make it easier accessible, but still have it low.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 08:48:05 am
On a side note, I think this bike is going to handle incredibly well. The Low-slung tanks, ergonomics (wheelbase, trail, seat height), suspension and power is going to leave the average rider feeling VERY capable. And for the more serious rider, itís going to allow you that bit extra you need from your 690/791 (ito comfort, range, cruise-ability) whilst giving you the freedom to push harder than on your AT,1290R and GS.

Sure, it wonít get close to going where the 701 (not even talking about a 500) can, but I think itís an incredibly well compromised bike that will tour just as well as any other behemoth whilst being acceptably good in the ďtechĒ.

With tech in an ADV context, Iím talking about riding that youíre scared of doing with your behemoth (or have to really be careful, take it slow and/or push your bike through) plus youíll be able to enjoy the less ďtechĒ sections even more.

I mean it basically has the same suspension travel as the 690, massive range and and incredibly well preserved COG with a similar power to weight as an SE, and we call know what a hooligan the SE is. (Not talking about the fact that itís carbed, hence throttle response).

And with the quickshifter you wonít have to touch that dreaded cable clutch. I was so hoping theyíd put a hydraulic one on to launch the bike with. Canít have it all I guess.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on November 07, 2018, 08:52:04 am
I don't know, that location is the dustiest place possible and given their track record for weak airbox designs, I'd be super concerned.

My impression is that they are quick to release new bikes but rather slow to fix serious issues.
So whether the airbox is the next best thing since sliced bread or not, you're gonna be stuck with it.

Yamaha still has the cleanest airbox design (YZ)

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 08:56:45 am
I don't know, that location is the dustiest place possible and given their track record for weak airbox designs, I'd be super concerned.

My impression is that they are quick to release new bikes but rather slow to fix serious issues.
So whether the airbox is the next best thing since sliced bread or not, you're gonna be stuck with it.

Yamaha still has the cleanest airbox design (YZ)

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Truth

Lets hope that they learnt from the 1190 airbox drama. Theyíd be incredibly stupid not to make sure the airbox is TIGHT AF.

Iím quite certain the airbox is going to be spot-on.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on November 07, 2018, 09:06:11 am
Doubt it a bit as they obviously learned shit from the 690 airbox drama

I will gladly stand corrected

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 07, 2018, 12:50:17 pm
Just to put it into perspective: a BMW F800GS is 178.8kg dry.
https://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/bmw/bmw_f800gs%2010.htm
It is heavier than the F800GS - so only average for its class.
It does make 7.5kw more...

The amount of fiction posted on this thread is just astounding!
The BMW F800GS has a wet weight of 217kg (16 litre tank). So a dry weight of 178.8kg is just pure fiction.
https://www.bmw-motorrad.co.za/en/models/adventure/f800gs.html
Point taken: International F800GS specs:
http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/index.html?content=http://www.bmw-motorrad.com/com/en/bike/enduro/2012/f800gs/f800gs_data.html&prm_action=
Unladen weight, road ready, fully fuelled 1)    214 kg
Dry weight 2)    191 kg
Permitted total weight    443 kg
Payload (with standard equipment)    229 kg
Usable tank volume    16 l
Reserve    approx. 4 l

    Technical data relate to the unladen weight (DIN)
    1) According to Directive 93/93/EEC with all fluids, fuelled to at least 90% of usable fuel tank
    2) Unladen weight without fluids

Shedding 2kg on the F800GS is marginal only - KTM is just equalling industry standard.

PS. The reason for comparing the 790 Adv with the F800GS is that the 800 was the go-to solution in this class since 2008.
The technology differs with 10 years, so the 790 might be the logical replacement for the F800GS / new market leader in this sector? And yes - more power, different suspension, more fuel all play a role.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: manxkipper on November 07, 2018, 01:32:58 pm
Its the difference in wet weight between the 790Adv and the F800 that is the telling parameter here. Dry weight is a relative concept as some manufacturers don't add in the water, oil or hydraulic fluid into the dry weight equation. Some even ignore the battery weight to get the dry figures to look better.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BullFrog on November 07, 2018, 01:39:32 pm
Let's face it, if you are the type of rider that says 25 kilos and suspension don't make a difference, then this bike is not built for you

The standard adventure is purely to try and get sales from other brands but being so damn ugly, I doubt it will

Ja, they looking to capture the middle of the road and entry level adv rider as well - all about market share and penetration.

Yip, there will be penetration... Take some lube..  :deal:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: GraZer on November 07, 2018, 03:43:56 pm
Some nice studio shots of the KTM 790 Adventure R

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More detail of what makes up the bike

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I see the engine is a stressed member

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 07, 2018, 03:49:06 pm
Nice pics but I reckon that thing is just asking for a 950 type fairing .............
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 04:26:12 pm
Nice pics but I reckon that thing is just asking for a 950 type fairing .............

As in the wheel huggers instead of a front MX style mudguard?

Or the head-unit?


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Buff on November 07, 2018, 04:31:47 pm
I see they've fitted a rear hugger to help protect that shock from dirt and mud. That'll need to come off if you decide to fit knobblies, there's not much space to work with.

Dammit, I was hoping I wouldn't like this damn bike but it's growing on me. Even the standard pipe doesn't look too bad on it  :-\
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 04:37:39 pm
That hangtiete tank is going to make access to even the sparkplugs impossible  ::)  No wonder they had to put the airfilter under the seat - no room anywhere else.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 07, 2018, 04:49:58 pm
VERY interesting tank. I guess that it will not be that difficult to remove to gain access - 4 bolts only.
Protecting that tank will be a priority - you don't want to puncture the fuel tank...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 07, 2018, 04:51:25 pm
This is for me the perfect delivery bike! :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 05:23:42 pm
This is for me the perfect delivery bike! :thumleft:

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 07, 2018, 05:31:32 pm
VERY interesting tank. I guess that it will not be that difficult to remove to gain access - 4 bolts only.
Protecting that tank will be a priority - you don't want to puncture the fuel tank...

How many 950/990 punctured tanks have you seen? It had the tank in exactly the same place. Ive seen some of those that slidden on tar at 130kmh and they were fine.

That feature - low slung tanks that lower cog and at the same time protect the bike without need for additional heavy and ugly scafolding (u like t700 which lost the one great feature of xt660z - great stock protection) is for me the most welcome feature. The only downside is more laborious maintenance as BD said.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 05:31:41 pm
This is for me the perfect delivery bike! :thumleft:

So youíre just willy-nilly taking that long held title from the f800 and giving it to the 790R?!!!

I can almost guarantee this bike is going to feel incredible in the dirt. Albeit a bit overweight on paper. But we all know how weight placement can literally change everything.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 05:32:47 pm
VERY interesting tank. I guess that it will not be that difficult to remove to gain access - 4 bolts only.
Protecting that tank will be a priority - you don't want to puncture the fuel tank...

How many 950/990 punctured tanks have you seen? It had the tank in exactly the same place. Ive seen some of those that slidden on tar at 130kmh and they were fine.

That feature - low slung tanks that lower cog and at the same time protect the bike without need for additional heavy and ugly scafolding (u like t700 which lost the one great feature of xt660z - great stock protection) is for me the most welcome feature. The only downside is more laborious maintenance as BD said.

Absolutely.

No need for crashbars, super low COG and airfilter design are incredible little bonuses.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 07, 2018, 05:45:22 pm
This is for me the perfect delivery bike! :thumleft:

So youíre just willy-nilly taking that long held title from the f800 and giving it to the 790R?!!!

I can almost guarantee this bike is going to feel incredible in the dirt. Albeit a bit overweight on paper. But we all know how weight placement can literally change everything.


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Renwer, ek het geen twyfel dat hierdie n befokte bike gaan wees! Ja, bietjie swaar maar gaan die kategorie leier wees. Is die instruments n tablet ding of wat? Kannie sien..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 05:48:41 pm
This is for me the perfect delivery bike! :thumleft:

So youíre just willy-nilly taking that long held title from the f800 and giving it to the 790R?!!!

I can almost guarantee this bike is going to feel incredible in the dirt. Albeit a bit overweight on paper. But we all know how weight placement can literally change everything.


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Renwer, ek het geen twyfel dat hierdie n befokte bike gaan wees! Ja, bietjie swaar maar gaan die kategorie leier wees. Is die instruments n tablet ding of wat? Kannie sien..

Die instrumentasie is presies dieselfde as die 1290SAR, net n kleiner weergawe!

Meeste van dieselfde funksies (phone mirrored gps, musiek, oproepe ens)


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 07, 2018, 05:57:16 pm
Het dit n calculator sodat jy bikes se wet en dry weight kan uitwerk?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 06:13:13 pm
Het dit n calculator sodat jy bikes se wet en dry weight kan uitwerk?

Those iPads have given lank shit on the 1290's ...when they go on the blink you cannot even start the bike and they need a dealer reboot. Sorree for you.  :o
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Xpat on November 07, 2018, 06:16:13 pm
Het dit n calculator sodat jy bikes se wet en dry weight kan uitwerk?

Those iPads have given lank shit on the 1290's ...when they go on the blink you cannot even start the bike and they need a dealer reboot. Sorree for you.  :o

It is really silly to put that stuff on bike like this. At least they should provide a dongle that would bypass the whole thing - similar to sidestand switch bypass. And sidestand is at least usefull...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 07, 2018, 06:16:35 pm
Het dit n calculator sodat jy bikes se wet en dry weight kan uitwerk?

Vir sommiges help n calc nie eers nie



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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 06:21:51 pm
Het dit n calculator sodat jy bikes se wet en dry weight kan uitwerk?

Those iPads have given lank shit on the 1290's ...when they go on the blink you cannot even start the bike and they need a dealer reboot. Sorree for you.  :o

It is really silly to put that stuff on bike like this. At least they should provide a dongle that would bypass the whole thing - similar to sidestand switch bypass. And sidestand is at least usefull...

Exactly - I think it is symptomatic of the target market and their R&D ... hardcore poser but actually rather softcock bike with lots of rider assist and need for KTM on Call to reboot and ride  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 07, 2018, 06:39:06 pm
Whole lot of Blah Blah Blah weight Blah GS 800 Blah 990 etc etc

I will ask permission from my wife to spend my savings and by for me this this of beauty - with it's suspect airbox & soft front end etc
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 07, 2018, 06:42:22 pm
Nice pics but I reckon that thing is just asking for a 950 type fairing .............

As in the wheel huggers instead of a front MX style mudguard?

Or the head-unit?


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The upper fairings or head unit from a 950/990 adventure.

When you remove them from from a 950 it looks just like this bike - also with 'hangtiete'. And nobody whinges about puncturing a 950 tank. Remember, if the tanks don't fit nor will your feet! (Dwerg, are you listening?  :biggrin:)

I think these low slung tanks are a non-issue.

Whoever designs a Rally fairing for this bike is on to a winner, I reckon.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 07, 2018, 06:51:36 pm
I've been puzzling for a while trying to see if there was a possibility of a centrestand, wasn't clear until I saw the bare frame picture above. Good news is it looks like there is provision for it. Probably cost and arm and a leg though...or in this case 2 legs.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 07, 2018, 06:57:39 pm
Eish the more you think about it, the more it sinks in that it is an impossible task for the manufacturers to come up with something that gets a nod of approval from the mass, representing the riding public.
Perhaps we have become a little too critical albeit spoilt. Or have we?
45 years ago the guys were riding around with crap suspension, crap tyres, crap brakes, maybe light weight but very little power. Yeah, not crap back then but imagine if they ONLY had our tyres?
So..men were hard, bikes were soft. Now, bikes are more hardcore than ever but men have since discovered vegan diets and dedicated mens range of creams and ointments.
Y front onnies are out now my china....
What da fudge do you need a tablet for on a bike? TFT? Why do you need a large tank? Why can you not carry extra fuel?
But, I dare to say that KTM  slash Husky is the one standing brand that are pushing the boundaries, we have had the Jap brands decline into bland slowly and surely, case in point Yamaha who kept the world at ransom for 2 frickin years and then came up with a another soft replacement for the 660z.
I do not even want to talk about Honda, the first Fireblade was the last ass kick bike they brought forward.
Thinkt he 450L be a monster? Please...
OK, so perhaps the problem is me, not having grown more clinical like the rest of the world.
I feel disappointed that a lot of the new bikes is exactly to ride like the playstation version of the same bike...
OK, rant over.
I hope the 790 kicks ass...




Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on November 07, 2018, 08:24:11 pm
Altie , the world has become way too PC , pretty soon they are probably going to want the bikes to ride themselves as well
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 07, 2018, 08:32:35 pm
I don't care who makes a bike, I had many different brand names throughout the years and I have never (yet) owned a KTM  but recently I rode a 1090 and wow....what a bike! I feel the same about the AT.

However, the 790 ticks all the boxes.  What a stunning bike and the location of the air filter is great. That is what you want, accessibility. To get to most bikes air filters is a mission.

Seems a lot of us want different things, but if this bike is tubeless it will be the best model by far to me.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 08:39:22 pm
Altie , the world has become way too PC , pretty soon they are probably going to want the bikes to ride themselves as well

Dux - BMW has done it already  :lol8:

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/11/bmw-self-riding-autonomous-motorcycle-video/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 07, 2018, 08:49:32 pm
Nice pics but I reckon that thing is just asking for a 950 type fairing .............

As in the wheel huggers instead of a front MX style mudguard?

Or the head-unit?


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The upper fairings or head unit from a 950/990 adventure.

When you remove them from from a 950 it looks just like this bike - also with 'hangtiete'. And nobody whinges about puncturing a 950 tank. Remember, if the tanks don't fit nor will your feet! (Dwerg, are you listening?  :biggrin:)

I think these low slung tanks are a non-issue.

Whoever designs a Rally fairing for this bike is on to a winner, I reckon.

I have seen crashbars flattened, ground through, and bend out of shape.  Not that sure I agree with you about plastic tanks being able to take that sort of hammering.

But these tanks are very strong, I have seen Kamanya testing them well and truly....... :ricky: :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dux on November 07, 2018, 08:52:45 pm
Altie , the world has become way too PC , pretty soon they are probably going to want the bikes to ride themselves as well

Dux - BMW has done it already  :lol8:

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/09/11/bmw-self-riding-autonomous-motorcycle-video/

The excitement  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on November 08, 2018, 12:33:17 am
Looks nice!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 08, 2018, 06:31:06 am
I don't care who makes a bike, I had many different brand names throughout the years and I have never (yet) owned a KTM  but recently I rode a 1090 and wow....what a bike! I feel the same about the AT.

However, the 790 ticks all the boxes.  What a stunning bike and the location of the air filter is great. That is what you want, accessibility. To get to most bikes air filters is a mission.

Seems a lot of us want different things, but if this bike is tubeless it will be the best model by far to me.

Not tubeless apparently which is unfortunate. Not sure why they wouldn't fit the same rims as the 1090
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 08, 2018, 07:51:02 am
I don't care who makes a bike, I had many different brand names throughout the years and I have never (yet) owned a KTM  but recently I rode a 1090 and wow....what a bike! I feel the same about the AT.

However, the 790 ticks all the boxes.  What a stunning bike and the location of the air filter is great. That is what you want, accessibility. To get to most bikes air filters is a mission.

Seems a lot of us want different things, but if this bike is tubeless it will be the best model by far to me.

Not tubeless apparently which is unfortunate. Not sure why they wouldn't fit the same rims as the 1090

Because the Mr Bean the bean counter has bean at it ... bit like the cable clutch  :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 08, 2018, 07:53:52 am

Looks nice!


Well I will just leave this here ...
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 08, 2018, 09:01:37 am

Looks nice!


Well I will just leave this here ...
Klap T(7) Mantis????
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cloudgazer on November 08, 2018, 09:46:02 am

Looks nice!


Well I will just leave this here ...

Agreed.

I don't like the look of the new KTMs at all. They look like insects.... and worse still they look like Big Boys.

The 950 and 990 were the last shit hot designs from KTM.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Striggs on November 08, 2018, 10:24:33 am

Looks nice!


Well I will just leave this here ...

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Kamanya on November 08, 2018, 01:19:48 pm
Nice pics but I reckon that thing is just asking for a 950 type fairing .............

As in the wheel huggers instead of a front MX style mudguard?

Or the head-unit?


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The upper fairings or head unit from a 950/990 adventure.

When you remove them from from a 950 it looks just like this bike - also with 'hangtiete'. And nobody whinges about puncturing a 950 tank. Remember, if the tanks don't fit nor will your feet! (Dwerg, are you listening?  :biggrin:)

I think these low slung tanks are a non-issue.

Whoever designs a Rally fairing for this bike is on to a winner, I reckon.

I have seen crashbars flattened, ground through, and bend out of shape.  Not that sure I agree with you about plastic tanks being able to take that sort of hammering.

But these tanks are very strong, I have seen Kamanya testing them well and truly....... :ricky: :peepwall:

Sadly not the OEM ones. The crashbars that I have on the bike currently that double as fuel tanks are made by Safari. Now they're proper strong. I've yet to hear of anyone breaking them.

Here's why insurance got them for me...

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 08, 2018, 02:34:46 pm
VERY interesting tank. I guess that it will not be that difficult to remove to gain access - 4 bolts only.
Protecting that tank will be a priority - you don't want to puncture the fuel tank...

How many 950/990 punctured tanks have you seen? It had the tank in exactly the same place. Ive seen some of those that slidden on tar at 130kmh and they were fine.

That feature - low slung tanks that lower cog and at the same time protect the bike without need for additional heavy and ugly scafolding (u like t700 which lost the one great feature of xt660z - great stock protection) is for me the most welcome feature. The only downside is more laborious maintenance as BD said.
Reportedly KTM has some of the best anti-scratch and break plastics and panels in the market.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 08, 2018, 02:36:31 pm
Oops, I have to retract this remark after the video  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 08, 2018, 03:48:49 pm
Just to recap:
F800GS:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready   217 kg 3)
790 Adv:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready   209kg?

8kg lighter and 6l more. I can live with that.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 08, 2018, 04:41:55 pm
Just to recap:
F800GS:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready217 kg 3)
790 Adv:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready209kg?

8kg lighter and 6l more. I can live with that.

790R is 204.4kg Fully fuelled and road ready.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 08, 2018, 08:02:07 pm
I have spent the day at EICMA today. Having looked at and sat on a lot of bikes I can tell you that for me the 790 has all the hallmarks of a great bike. In fact, it makes most of the midsize and large adventure bikes feel all wrong. They are all migrating more and more stuff/weight high up whereas the 790 feels slim. I love it. Anyone want to buy an 1190 S?

And while to many on this forum a cable clutch is the work of the devil I can assure you that there are many many bikes with one.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 09, 2018, 06:31:09 am
It's looking prettier every time I see it. The amateur vids don't do it justice. Even the standard adventure (which is the one I'm considering) looks good in the studio shots

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 09, 2018, 09:23:46 am
Just to recap:
F800GS:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready217 kg 3)
790 Adv:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready209kg?

8kg lighter and 6l more. I can live with that.

790R is 204.4kg Fully fuelled and road ready.

209kg
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: iamgigglz on November 09, 2018, 09:29:00 am
Just to recap:
F800GS:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready217 kg 3)
790 Adv:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready209kg?

8kg lighter and 6l more. I can live with that.

790R is 204.4kg Fully fuelled and road ready.

209kg

Fuel is between 0.71 and 0.77 kg/L, so 20L is between 14.2 and 15.4kg. Say 15kg and the total comes to 204kg.
We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike. The more important thing is where the weight is, and the 790 seems to have that down.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 09, 2018, 10:31:06 am
Just to recap:
F800GS:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready217 kg 3)
790 Adv:
Unladen weight, fully fuelled/road-ready209kg?

8kg lighter and 6l more. I can live with that.

790R is 204.4kg Fully fuelled and road ready.

209kg

Fuel is between 0.71 and 0.77 kg/L, so 20L is between 14.2 and 15.4kg. Say 15kg and the total comes to 204kg.
We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike. The more important thing is where the weight is, and the 790 seems to have that down.
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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on November 09, 2018, 11:54:54 am

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 09, 2018, 11:58:17 am

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 09, 2018, 01:04:58 pm
A few different exhausts on the Duke. I think it's safe to say that at this point I am 100% sold.

Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 09, 2018, 01:31:04 pm

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Yup, 10kg is baie! Imagine n groot sak aartappels op die tank!..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 09, 2018, 04:42:40 pm

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Yup, 10kg is baie! Imagine n groot sak aartappels op die tank!..

Meeste ouens dra n sak aartappels om hul middel-lywe.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Renrew on November 09, 2018, 04:58:05 pm

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Yup, 10kg is baie! Imagine n groot sak aartappels op die tank!..

Meeste ouens dra n sak aartappels om hul middel-lywe.

haha


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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 09, 2018, 05:26:28 pm

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Yup, 10kg is baie! Imagine n groot sak aartappels op die tank!..

Meeste ouens dra n sak aartappels om hul middel-lywe.

Of twee.. :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 09, 2018, 06:30:08 pm
So true and quibbling over a few kg here and there ... DS Weight Watchers  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: paulb on November 10, 2018, 11:14:56 am

We're splitting hairs though; you wouldn't feel a 10kg difference on a ~200kg bike.

Tell the 1090 okes who went bos about it being the new Lightweight ADV Bike "Much lighter than the 1190"   (Yes, coz they removed a bunch of cool stuff)

10kgs moved from near the top to down lower, youíd feel it without a doubt.


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Yup, 10kg is baie! Imagine n groot sak aartappels op die tank!..

Meeste ouens dra n sak aartappels om hul middel-lywe.

Sak sement
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2018, 04:17:49 pm
Ja, Dwerg, hoe meer ek kyk hoe mooier lyk daai 790.

Ek moet nog net lank staar na die koplamp.  Maar die res van die bike is n beaut.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 15, 2018, 12:19:51 am
Another interesting chat with Adrian about the 790.

https://riders.drivemag.com/news/2019-ktm-790-adventure-everything-you-need-to-know
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 15, 2018, 06:47:14 am
Another interesting chat with Adrian about the 790.

https://riders.drivemag.com/news/2019-ktm-790-adventure-everything-you-need-to-know

That's it. I am going to put my deposit down this weekend.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Carrots on November 15, 2018, 07:18:59 am
Lekker man. So wanneer sal jy hom kry dan?

En watter een van die x-zorts gaan jy fit?  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 15, 2018, 07:22:30 am
Lekker man. So wanneer sal jy hom kry dan?

En watter een van die x-zorts gaan jy fit?  :pot:

Hulle praat van Mei-Junie. Sal kyk eers hoe klink hy sonder pyp. Die Duke klink goed uit die boks uit. Kan altyd 'n pyp op sit na ek die stock een moer toe geval het  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dieterf on November 15, 2018, 08:00:22 am
put myself on the order list this morning  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on November 15, 2018, 08:27:59 am
So far I like what I see (R) and was very impressed riding the Duke but will exercise some patience and wait to see what gremlins and niggles come out of the 1st production
Still enjoying the AT so no hurry :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 15, 2018, 08:41:52 am
Agree - I am also holding off initially although a few months ago you could have taken my money. Instead I have bought myself a 50 kg lighter 701 for the half-loaf adventure trails.

It is interesting looking at the princess stripped bare pics ... the very long cantilevered rear trellis subframe has a lot of potential leverage on it, especially once it may be loaded with luggage. While I am sure the engineers have done their math on it I foresee potential failures - we all know about rear subframe failures on many different brands once used offroad for spirited adventure touring. Time will tell though and that is one reason why I will not rush off and buy the first of a production run. One thing that would have helped this subframe is to have reinforced it with some gussets in the corners ... that of course would have added to the dry weight that is already pushing toward the 200kg mark. The front fairing and instrument cluster is also of some concern to me - the aesthetics do not bother me rather the all plastic composite  construction and I have my doubts about its longevity if one mounts a GPS, touring screen or other instruments to it - I personally hate a bar mounted GPS and like it more in my line of vision. Anyway as I say the proof is in the pudding and time will tell.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dieterf on November 15, 2018, 09:18:11 am
valid points, but someone has to buy the initial stock and use for someone else to benefit.

I did that when i bought the SE, no regrets, the weak point on that bike was the headlight housing assembly was to weak for offroad use.

I mounted the gps on a long stalk off the handlebrs in front of the dash, didnt need to see it.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on November 15, 2018, 09:22:24 am
Another interesting chat with Adrian about the 790.

https://riders.drivemag.com/news/2019-ktm-790-adventure-everything-you-need-to-know

That's it. I am going to put my deposit down this weekend.
Sounds like everything I hoped for in the T7

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 15, 2018, 10:59:39 am
I will just leave this WTF here.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 11:03:02 am
I will just leave this WTF here.  :peepwall:
Way better than those big ass tits hanging from the side of the HP2
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tabasco on November 15, 2018, 11:04:27 am
definitely a looker with massive potential  :ricky: (that R looks like the bee's knees)
pity my 990 trade in would probably just give me a 50% deposit  :(
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 15, 2018, 11:07:23 am
I will just leave this WTF here.  :peepwall:
Way better than those big ass tits hanging from the side of the HP2

Fuck you at least they are proper tits not these silicone hangtiete with useless carbon guards as extras.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 11:10:16 am
I will just leave this WTF here.  :peepwall:
Way better than those big ass tits hanging from the side of the HP2

Fuck you at least they are proper tits not these silicone hangtiete with useless carbon guards as extras.
Poor form and rather rude
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on November 15, 2018, 12:04:43 pm
Nothing wrong with those plastic side pods. All they need is some beefy steel tubing wrapped around to protect them.

It will add to the width and weight of the bike of course, but just think how 'trick' it will look all painted nicely, with some prominent stickers.

Bound to seduce some dudes into paying a shitload of money, and will make them really feel like 'the manne', and up their poser status no end.  ;)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on November 15, 2018, 12:48:29 pm
KTM reckon those tank pods are pretty indestructible and have been given a few crazy tests and proven amazingly tough so I wouldnt stress that much and certainly wouldnt worry about protection bars etc
I feel its got nothing on the ugly/potential damage factor of the 1200 Boxer motors but only time will tell
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 12:57:24 pm
KTM reckon those tank pods are pretty indestructible and have been given a few crazy tests and proven amazingly tough so I wouldnt stress that much and certainly wouldnt worry about protection bars etc
I feel its got nothing on the ugly/potential damage factor of the 1200 Boxer motors but only time will tell
Be careful, I just got told off by the Prof for making a similar statement. :dousing:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 15, 2018, 01:34:41 pm
KTM reckon those tank pods are pretty indestructible and have been given a few crazy tests and proven amazingly tough so I wouldnt stress that much and certainly wouldnt worry about protection bars etc
I feel its got nothing on the ugly/potential damage factor of the 1200 Boxer motors but only time will tell
Be careful, I just got told off by the Prof for making a similar statement. :dousing:

In his own way  :imaposer:

All fair in love and KTM war  >:D
(Oh and did I mention I love my white KTM)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on November 15, 2018, 02:02:19 pm
Cocky the Prof happens to know that the HP2 is a very  :drif: desirable BM and not to be confused with the common Block of flats :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 15, 2018, 02:44:58 pm
Cocky the Prof happens to know that the HP2 is a very  :drif: desirable BM and not to be confused with the common Block of flats :lol8:

True story  :3some:
Dankie buurman.  :thumleft:

Funny how some get indignant when others get ...eehr ... cocky  8)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 03:45:56 pm
Cocky the Prof happens to know that the HP2 is a very  :drif: desirable BM and not to be confused with the common Block of flats :lol8:

True story  :3some:
Dankie buurman.  :thumleft:

Funny how some get indignant when others get ...eehr ... cocky  8)
My mother taught me manners and taught me to respect older people, so I'll give you your misguided opinion. :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: billy-joe on November 15, 2018, 08:07:25 pm
Just for interest sakes, i measured my 950's width with crash bars compared to my mates HP2 which doesnt have and the boxer engine was 5cm wider if i rem correctly.  still prefer the hp2 but thats just me.  Wanna swop bigd? :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 15, 2018, 09:16:08 pm
Cocky the Prof happens to know that the HP2 is a very  :drif: desirable BM and not to be confused with the common Block of flats :lol8:

It still has those tits, but they removed the vibrator.....lose-lose. :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Jacobsroodt on November 16, 2018, 10:07:56 am
Agree - I am also holding off initially although a few months ago you could have taken my money. Instead I have bought myself a 50 kg lighter 701 for the half-loaf adventure trails.

It is interesting looking at the princess stripped bare pics ... the very long cantilevered rear trellis subframe has a lot of potential leverage on it, especially once it may be loaded with luggage. While I am sure the engineers have done their math on it I foresee potential failures - we all know about rear subframe failures on many different brands once used offroad for spirited adventure touring. Time will tell though and that is one reason why I will not rush off and buy the first of a production run. One thing that would have helped this subframe is to have reinforced it with some gussets in the corners ... that of course would have added to the dry weight that is already pushing toward the 200kg mark. The front fairing and instrument cluster is also of some concern to me - the aesthetics do not bother me rather the all plastic composite  construction and I have my doubts about its longevity if one mounts a GPS, touring screen or other instruments to it - I personally hate a bar mounted GPS and like it more in my line of vision. Anyway as I say the proof is in the pudding and time will tell.
Such an eloquent writer BigDom!☺

Yes, that front light and fairing looks like it has grown up in a house for unwanted children. I am always amazed to see how they attached the headlight and cluster to my F800GS. There the fairing becomes an integrated stress bearing member to help support the front assembly and fairing. No touring screens for the 790 then!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2018, 10:42:17 am

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Such an eloquent writer BigDom!☺

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Thanks, I have my moments but can also shoot from the hip  :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Welsh on November 16, 2018, 01:23:51 pm
I have no doubt the hang tit fuel tanks will be the business and indestructible, however the will get scratched and gouged and OMG then try to sell it to some tosser who wants an immaculate low mileage 10 year old bike.  :sip:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2018, 04:08:38 pm
I have no doubt the hang tit fuel tanks will be the business and indestructible, however the will get scratched and gouged and OMG then try to sell it to some tosser who wants an immaculate low mileage 10 year old bike.  :sip:

I am sure as with mammary glands there will end up being 'wire' support available in the form of crash bars ... that will make the buxom lady even wider.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 16, 2018, 05:08:11 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 17, 2018, 09:28:56 am
The plastic add-ons to the tanks are still pre-production in those photographs.   They are replaceable covers over he bottom of those tanks. A great way to provide protection without adding always ugly and always heavy crash bars. Clever thinking by the Orange engineers.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 17, 2018, 09:52:03 am
The plastic add-ons to the tanks are still pre-production in those photographs.   They are replaceable covers over he bottom of those tanks. A great way to provide protection without adding always ugly and always heavy crash bars. Clever thinking by the Orange engineers.

Very clever, almost like the XT660Z's "crash-panels. I hate crashbars, they always detract from the beauty and simplicity of a motorcycle, and these type of panels are great.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 17, 2018, 11:51:00 am
The plastic add-ons to the tanks are still pre-production in those photographs.   They are replaceable covers over he bottom of those tanks. A great way to provide protection without adding always ugly and always heavy crash bars. Clever thinking by the Orange engineers.

No they are not plastic add-ons ... they are expensive peices of KTM Powersport carbon fibre (extras at premium cost) for R&D damage control.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: chopperpilot on November 17, 2018, 02:21:33 pm
Sure manufacturers such as Hyde can produce affordable tank bra's! 😉😳😆
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2018, 03:31:39 pm
Small plastic bumpers as Yamaha called them cost R900 each about 2 years ago. I rode with the scratched, did their job and protected the tank.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 17, 2018, 05:07:13 pm
Sure manufacturers such as Hyde can produce affordable tank bra's! 😉😳😆

Wireless ones, maybe even can also do carbon fibre falsies   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: chopperpilot on November 18, 2018, 06:43:50 am
Sure manufacturers such as Hyde can produce affordable tank bra's! 😉😳😆

Wireless ones, maybe even can also do carbon fibre falsies   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Pamela Anderson versions! :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 18, 2018, 08:58:34 pm
Sure manufacturers such as Hyde can produce affordable tank bra's! 😉😳😆

Wireless ones, maybe even can also do carbon fibre falsies   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Pamela Anderson versions! :imaposer: :imaposer:

They'd be way too small for the 790 bulges. :patch:

Not as monstrously vast as the Boxerbrand titto's, but way too big still for pamela's underwear. :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2018, 07:11:18 am
All R models at my local dealer are spoken for (with non-refundable deposit paid). A couple of standard adventures left
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dieterf on November 19, 2018, 07:37:29 am
Where and how many?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2018, 07:39:16 am
Where and how many?

Pretoria. Didnít interrogate them about it. They just told me I canít put a deposit down for an R, all gone
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dieterf on November 19, 2018, 07:42:30 am
ah-ok, TX

In CT i am #18 on a list of deposit paid wanna be owners!
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 19, 2018, 07:44:48 am
Lots of tits guys  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Tabasco on November 19, 2018, 09:24:26 am
Any idea how much (ZAR) a R goes for?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2018, 09:35:16 am
They don't know yet but estimate 180 give or take 10
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 19, 2018, 09:40:19 am
Lots of tits guys  >:D

Silicon ones, not old german ones flopping around all over the place  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 19, 2018, 09:42:33 am
Lots of tits guys  >:D

Silicon ones, not old german ones flopping around all over the place  :thumleft:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 19, 2018, 11:21:22 am
Lots of tits guys  >:D

Silicon ones, not old german ones flopping around all over the place  :thumleft:

 :imaposer:

Those German ones will leak a bit of oil and easy fix ... now the "silicone" ones could really spill and make some heat  :laughing4:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 20, 2018, 01:28:15 pm
Hang boobs or not this is going to be a winner! I want one....  if I can get one.. :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ETS on November 20, 2018, 02:16:47 pm
They seem to be very much sold out
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 07:28:50 am
They seem to be very much sold out

Yup. Considering the fact that nobody knows what it's like to ride, what it's going to cost, you have to pay a non-refundable deposit, you have to wait 6-8 months to get it. That's pretty amazing. They'll have sold boat loads before the T7 launches.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Cracker on November 21, 2018, 07:40:01 am
Those KTM service managers must be turning grey, thinking about what's to come ............
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 11:50:48 am
Ok I am officially confused. This changed on the KTM website for the standard adventure.

Previously said the forks are non adjustable and shown as such at EICMA
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Noneking on November 21, 2018, 12:01:55 pm
They seem to be very much sold out

Yup. Considering the fact that nobody knows what it's like to ride, what it's going to cost, you have to pay a non-refundable deposit, you have to wait 6-8 months to get it. That's pretty amazing. They'll have sold boat loads before the T7 launches.


Blind loyalty......
I for one would be hesitant.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 21, 2018, 12:14:41 pm
Ok I am officially confused. This changed on the KTM website for the standard adventure.

Previously said the forks are non adjustable and shown as such at EICMA

Maybe they had a lot of feedback at EICMA that people wanted adjustments on the adventure as well and made changes thereafter.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 12:22:04 pm
They seem to be very much sold out

Yup. Considering the fact that nobody knows what it's like to ride, what it's going to cost, you have to pay a non-refundable deposit, you have to wait 6-8 months to get it. That's pretty amazing. They'll have sold boat loads before the T7 launches.


Blind loyalty......
I for one would be hesitant.

Blind loyalty or a bit of a game changer? I think a little bit of both but that's probably the KTM fanboy in me speaking. BMW 850s don't appear to be flying off the showroom floor, they are certainly not sold out and we all know how loyal their customers are.

Ok I am officially confused. This changed on the KTM website for the standard adventure.

Previously said the forks are non adjustable and shown as such at EICMA

Maybe they had a lot of feedback at EICMA that people wanted adjustments on the adventure as well and made changes thereafter.

That would be great  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on November 21, 2018, 12:50:37 pm
Ok I am officially confused. This changed on the KTM website for the standard adventure.

Previously said the forks are non adjustable and shown as such at EICMA
I think that picture is the wrong one, the Apex don't have any external adjustment. Even the 'blurb'under the picture doesn't include anything about adjustment.
At least they are cartridge forks, so we can experiment with valving.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 21, 2018, 01:11:43 pm
Ok I am officially confused. This changed on the KTM website for the standard adventure.

Previously said the forks are non adjustable and shown as such at EICMA
I think that picture is the wrong one, the Apex don't have any external adjustment. Even the 'blurb'under the picture doesn't include anything about adjustment.
At least they are cartridge forks, so we can experiment with valving.

Agree - That is a picture of XPlor 48's with quick adjusters. These will be on the R model as I understand. The S will have non-adjustable 43's (similar in look to the Duke's - see pic and think silver and a bit more travel) .
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 01:16:05 pm
My bad, I saw the pic and read up to "split function" and put two and oranges together
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 21, 2018, 01:38:22 pm
200mm travel?

It's like the T7 then? :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 21, 2018, 01:42:07 pm
200mm travel?

It's like the T7 then? :lol8:

Serious!?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 01:42:50 pm
200mm travel?

It's like the T7 then? :lol8:

Yes the soft cock budget version is much like the most hard core thing yamaha can come up with    :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 21, 2018, 01:44:15 pm
200mm travel?

It's like the T7 then? :lol8:

Yes the soft cock budget version is much like the most hard core thing yamaha can come up with    :pot:

Dwerg, hoeveel is die non refundable deposit? Net nuuskierig..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 21, 2018, 01:49:34 pm
Wel eks nie seker of al die shops die selfde operate nie maar die een wat ek by was soek 10k. As jy beter pelle met die verkoopsmanne is is dit dalk 'n ander storie
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Fransw on November 21, 2018, 01:52:41 pm
Wel eks nie seker of al die shops die selfde operate nie maar die een wat ek by was soek 10k. As jy beter pelle met die verkoopsmanne is is dit dalk 'n ander storie

Dis eintlik min vir n ĪR180k aankoop.. Ek wonder hoeveel gaan teleurgesteld wees en kop uittrek?..
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 21, 2018, 06:17:29 pm
200mm travel?

It's like the T7 then? :lol8:

Yes the soft cock budget version is much like the most hard core thing yamaha can come up with    :pot:

 :xxbah: :xxbah:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 24, 2018, 06:47:29 pm
I see they have released pricing in Germany Euro 13699 for the R ... puts it at ZAR 215K  :o
Ok they may give us some BigMac concession but still.  ::)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: dieterf on November 25, 2018, 07:43:32 am
is that a dealer release price?

is that Vat inclusive (which is 19% afaik)?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 25, 2018, 12:09:04 pm
is that a dealer release price?

is that Vat inclusive (which is 19% afaik)?

Dealer price, presuming VAT inclusive. One dealer is already offering 19 discounted for sale on his website at Euro 12 699.

https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=270994231&utm_source=sharedAd&utm_medium=android
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 26, 2018, 08:57:50 am
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Amsterdam on November 26, 2018, 09:08:11 am
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/

This is good for another 50 pages of discussion.  Let me start, that seat looks horrible.  Next please.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on November 26, 2018, 09:29:30 am
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/

Rather take this than that new 1200 Scrambler for sure.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on November 26, 2018, 12:18:04 pm
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/

Rather take this than that new 1200 Scrambler for sure.

They make a scrambler?  :imaposer: :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on November 26, 2018, 03:11:57 pm
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/

Rather take this than that new 1200 Scrambler for sure.

They make a scrambler?  :imaposer: :ricky:

Nah I mean the Triumph.   If you want something that looks cool and can do some offroad, I reckon this will be better than the Triumph at it. Same power, less weight.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: jaybiker on November 26, 2018, 03:22:15 pm
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2018/november/husqvarna-retro-adventure-motorbike/

Rather take this than that new 1200 Scrambler for sure.

They make a scrambler?  :imaposer: :ricky:

Nah I mean the Triumph.   If you want something that looks cool and can do some offroad, I reckon this will be better than the Triumph at it. Same power, less weight.




Yeah, but it aint a Triumph. And if it aint a Triumph, then it just aint a Triumph.

And as somebody once ridiculously claimed about their bike, "Anything else is less".

But in the case of a Triumph it's true.  >:D



'Course I'm not brand biased in any way.

'Cept when it comes to Triumphs. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on November 27, 2018, 07:57:42 am
http://www.mcnews.com.au/2019-ktm-790-adventure-r/
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Dwerg on November 30, 2018, 07:47:07 am
I see they have released pricing in Germany Euro 13699 for the R ... puts it at ZAR 215K  :o
Ok they may give us some BigMac concession but still.  ::)

I see talk of 13300 euro/12000 pounds in England. I think a Duke is something like <8500. That's taking the piss a little. I'll wait 6-12 months after release. They are bound to have specials on the standard adventure.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on December 01, 2018, 06:12:07 am
I would not be surprised if KTM upped the 790 predicted price when they saw the T7 would not be released for a while. Try and claw back their development costs (which must have been massive considering they have developed an engine for it) as quickly as they can before the competition arrives.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2018, 12:25:42 pm
I would not be surprised if KTM upped the 790 predicted price when they saw the T7 would not be released for a while. Try and claw back their development costs (which must have been massive considering they have developed an engine for it) as quickly as they can before the competition arrives.

I think they are hoping guys will pay the poser tax - it should not be that much more than the Duke - this has been their policy with previous models ... and yes I know there is more to the Adv but R50-60K more? NAh. There were guys wimpering from all corners 'Take my Money' ... now it is more like 'Hold my beer and pass the Vaseline'.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: peteb on December 01, 2018, 01:58:07 pm
I would not be surprised if KTM upped the 790 predicted price when they saw the T7 would not be released for a while. Try and claw back their development costs (which must have been massive considering they have developed an engine for it) as quickly as they can before the competition arrives.

I think they are hoping guys will pay the poser tax - it should not be that much more than the Duke - this has been their policy with previous models ... and yes I know there is more to the Adv but R50-60K more? NAh. There were guys wimpering from all corners 'Take my Money' ... now it is more like 'Hold my beer and pass the Vaseline'.  :imaposer:

As long as we're not forced to hold Starbucks we'll take the pain like real adventurers do  :pot: :peepwall:
Also think its a bit steep, but I have yet to see finalised SA prices, and the exchange rate doesn't always correlate with local pricing
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on December 01, 2018, 03:17:28 pm
I would not be surprised if KTM upped the 790 predicted price when they saw the T7 would not be released for a while. Try and claw back their development costs (which must have been massive considering they have developed an engine for it) as quickly as they can before the competition arrives.

I think they are hoping guys will pay the poser tax - it should not be that much more than the Duke - this has been their policy with previous models ... and yes I know there is more to the Adv but R50-60K more? NAh. There were guys wimpering from all corners 'Take my Money' ... now it is more like 'Hold my beer and pass the Vaseline'.  :imaposer:

As long as we're not forced to hold Starbucks we'll take the pain like real adventurers do  :pot: :peepwall:
Also think its a bit steep, but I have yet to see finalised SA prices, and the exchange rate doesn't always correlate with local pricing

If itís more than 180k I think itís pretty dumb.   In that case you make your choice 690 or 1090 rather.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on December 01, 2018, 04:46:08 pm
You guys are all jumping on the speculation bandwagon, wait and see before scratching for a pot of Vaseline ....itíll be less than the 1090
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2018, 07:45:40 pm
Estimated prices from a mole at KTM SA ... 790 Adv R175K  ... 790 AdvR  R185K  :3some:  Sounds right to me.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: kfc4unme on December 01, 2018, 09:27:37 pm
Estimated prices from a mole at KTM SA ... 790 Adv R175K  ... 790 AdvR  R185K  :3some:  Sounds right to me.
For the price of 5 790s you could buy my house. I wish bikes were more affordable. I've been priced out of buying a bike new.

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 02, 2018, 05:15:51 pm
How about a mini-superbike, KTM?

This 790 twin fitted into the chassis of something akin to a NSR250/RGV250?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on December 03, 2018, 07:31:23 am
Just for perspective...what would a Husky 701 cost new with screen and tanks etc fitted?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: Roadhawg on December 03, 2018, 08:31:49 am
How about a mini-superbike, KTM?

This 790 twin fitted into the chassis of something akin to a NSR250/RGV250?

Honest question, but where those chassis' actually lighter or were the bikes light because of 2stroke motors being much lighter? 
Because a 790 Duke seems to be what you're looking for (ok granted, it's more of a naked than a superbike)
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on December 03, 2018, 10:02:39 am
Size/height difference
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ETS on December 03, 2018, 12:32:14 pm
I WILL have one.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on December 03, 2018, 12:39:41 pm
Just for perspective...what would a Husky 701 cost new with screen and tanks etc fitted?
With the Omega kit they retail for R187000.00
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on December 03, 2018, 12:45:06 pm
Just for perspective...what would a Husky 701 cost new with screen and tanks etc fitted?
https://bikes.autotrader.co.za/used-motorcycles/husqvarna/701-rally/2016-husqvarna-701-rally-bfpa-8a81c8976717ee6401671bb66f9c3844?search-path=L21ha2Vtb2RlbC9tYWtlL0hVU1FWQVJOQS9wYWdlLzcvc2VhcmNo&result-index=104
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: edgy on December 03, 2018, 01:45:32 pm
Just for perspective...what would a Husky 701 cost new with screen and tanks etc fitted?
With the Omega kit they retail for R187000.00
Thanks Cocky.....so put in that comparision, not that shabby?
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: cocky on December 03, 2018, 01:48:31 pm
Just for perspective...what would a Husky 701 cost new with screen and tanks etc fitted?
With the Omega kit they retail for R187000.00
Thanks Cocky.....so put in that comparision, not that shabby?
thing is though, the 701/ 690 are not designed to be what the 790 is, price excluded of course. Those rally kits are a bit OTT and don't make then adventure bikes. That being said they are great bikes, but I prefer a bike that does what the label says, not what I make it say.
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 03, 2018, 09:26:30 pm
I WILL have one.

Fuck, that "R" does look nice, hey? :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: wolf skaap on December 03, 2018, 10:20:09 pm
Yep :thumleft:

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Title: Re: KTM 790 ADVENTURE
Post by: ETS on December 04, 2018, 08:07:06 am
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