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General => About South Africa... => Wild Dog Community and Environmental Projects => Topic started by: Red on August 26, 2008, 12:57:56 pm

Title: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 26, 2008, 12:57:56 pm
A few of us on the forum wanted to do something constructive regarding the conservation of wilddogs.  What we wanted to do was to support initiatives that will ensure the survival of the species and not do just look after wilddogs kept in captivity.  Davy and I did some research on this, and thanks to his connections in Namibia we got hold of Robin Lines, a guy who spend months at a time tracking and studying the dogs.

We will be hosting a get together for Robin Lines of the Namibian Wild dog project in Centurion next week Thursday 4th of September at around 18:30-19:00.

Robin will entertain us at the Golden Pipit (http://www.goldenpipit.co.za) with a presentation on the dog project in Namibia and tell us more about his studies during the past 6 years on these remarkable animals. Davy have met with him on occassion and was inspired by his deep routed knowledge and passion for these animals. I am sure it will be interesting to spend an evening in his company and talk about this experiences in the Namibian bush.

We have taken the liberty to arrange a braaivleis with the host at the Golden Pipit for the evening. We have tentatively reserved for 20 people but sincerely hope we can increase that figure!

A full meal braaivleis with starters and dessert will cost R150-00 per person. There is also a cash bar for the thirsty ones.

This is where they should be.  Running free.

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Concervation Project
Post by: Malibu on August 26, 2008, 01:02:13 pm
Sister and I would love to join you - will confirm after checking that the brats can stay at home alone...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on August 26, 2008, 01:12:11 pm
After chatting to Davy and to add to Red's great initiative, 2 more suggestions:

1. Maybe make it R200 for the evening - R50 can go towards Robin's flight cost which Davy is currently paying for - thanx Davy!!!!
2. We would also want some form of facilitated chat after the presentation in order to potentially move from listening to some form of action plan or intend of involvement.  We would like to tap Robin's mind on how we can make a difference on a practical level. (rumour has it he's a KTM man... so maybe rides to that area is in our future)

Thanx for this initiative Red and Davy - may this be the first step towards making a real difference in the lives of Wild Dogs in the wild!!!

Cheers
Hein
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on August 26, 2008, 01:15:50 pm
Can't wait to see you all there!!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 26, 2008, 01:18:47 pm
Attendees:

Davy + 19 Landcruiser Club members
Robin
Davy's friend
Red
Stephan
Kilroy
Malibu
Dakota
Gryshond
Travel Gravel
Plothond x 2
Funacide x 2
Wino
Hel Bent
Blouvark x 2
Cave Girl
Adv MX
Journeyman

LCC = 20
Unknown = 2 (Robin and Davy's friend)
Wilddogs = 18
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Gryshond on August 26, 2008, 03:39:42 pm
I have placed it in my calendar, see you there.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: JustBiking on August 26, 2008, 05:00:50 pm


Please put up TG and myself as tentative.... will confirm tonight

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Plothond on August 26, 2008, 06:45:30 pm
I'm in
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: JustBiking on August 26, 2008, 06:49:08 pm
Please put up TG and myself as tentative.... will confirm tonight

Confirmed....
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on August 26, 2008, 06:55:42 pm
Lekke lekke! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Eisbein on August 26, 2008, 10:38:18 pm
Wow.

This is very cool!

I will feel very comfortable putting the money I can give towards this to someone who is there with the Wild dogs.

Someone with dirt under his fingernails actually living and learning from the dogs rather than trying to put them in an old age home.

Well done for organizing this.

Davy or Red - if you want to you can PM me some banking details - I'll pay the ammount for the evening in and you can use it towards flight ticket. I won't be there, but I would want to parttake in some form or another.

:thumbsup:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on August 26, 2008, 10:50:12 pm
Eisbein,

I have set up a bank account to handle all donations.  I have also requested my auditors, BDO Spencer to keep us on the straight and narrow!  :patch:

Bank: Bank Windhoek
Account name: Motorrad Adventures
Branch code: 481972
Account number: 8001705004
Payment confirmation e-mail: david @ eps.com.na
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 27, 2008, 07:25:54 am
Here is the poster that Robing is using for educational purposes.  I have deleted the nice wilddog background and sponsors to make the file small enough to attach.  I will apologise next week.  It gave me an idea what the problem areas are and what a mammoth task Robin is facing.

Eisbein.  From what I understand "dirt under the fingernails" is the way he is doing it.  Hands on.  For weeks at a time.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Malibu on August 27, 2008, 07:59:37 am
Ok, Sister (Dakota on the forum) and I are there!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 27, 2008, 08:01:55 am
Ok, Sister (Dakota on the forum) and I are there!   :thumleft:

Good stuff!!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on August 27, 2008, 10:35:09 am
We're trying to get at least 40 WD members there - R200 a head.  Davy booked the place and paid for some people already.  Lets try and pay for our own ticket/food (R150) and add something (R50) towards the flight cost.

Will be a super evening....

H
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: funacide on August 27, 2008, 10:43:26 am
Put me down for 2 tentatively... I will confirm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: wino on August 27, 2008, 12:33:45 pm
i'm in  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Hel_Bent on August 27, 2008, 03:16:20 pm
Sounds fantastic ! I'm definitely in.
Should we pay into bank account detailed above, or to someone else ?
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 27, 2008, 03:52:58 pm
Sounds fantastic ! I'm definitely in.
Should we pay into bank account detailed above, or to someone else ?

Sorry, the two men must give us some guidance here.  Kilroy?  Davy? 
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on August 27, 2008, 05:10:52 pm
As I understood, and plse correct me if I'm wrong R & D - is that davy already paid for the venue and a certain amount of people.  So either pay at the venue (then we must just confirm the numbers or directly to Davy??

Am I right?  How do you want to do it Davy??
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on August 27, 2008, 07:07:28 pm
Ladies and gents,

We each have to pay R150 for the braaivleis.  Furthermore the venue for the evening cost us R2500!  We have a sponsor for that but any contributions towards this amount will be gracefully accepted on behalf of our fund at the occassion that evening.  

Any other donations towards this project can be done into the account mentioned on the first page of this thread.

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: funacide on August 27, 2008, 08:07:59 pm
Put me down for 2 tentatively... I will confirm tomorrow.

Definitely be there.. count me in.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on August 29, 2008, 05:54:01 pm
Note that there are now 19 confirmed LCCSA members attending this presentation!  Come on guys, lets beef up the numbers a bit!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 30, 2008, 02:24:15 pm
Note that there are now 19 confirmed LCCSA members attending this presentation!  Come on guys, lets beef up the numbers a bit!

35 so far.  15 wilddogs.

Blouvark might attend, depending.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: bud500 on August 31, 2008, 12:42:35 pm
Love this initiative. Was very impressed when I read what the LCC did for lion conservation in Nam, published in this month's Leisure Wheels I think. Would be great if we can help in the same way.

Will not be there on the evening but will contribute to fund.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on August 31, 2008, 02:22:06 pm
Love this initiative. Was very impressed when I read what the LCC did for lion conservation in Nam, published in this month's Leisure Wheels I think. Would be great if we can help in the same way.

Will not be there on the evening but will contribute to fund.

 :thumleft: 
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: gonedown on August 31, 2008, 07:30:58 pm
Only get back from PE at 8:15pm ON 4th.  Will make donation to above account.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: BlouVark on August 31, 2008, 08:47:08 pm
Sounds interesting, me & the boss will be there
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Plothond on August 31, 2008, 11:28:52 pm
Sounds interesting, me & the boss will be there

waaaa de moer val jy uit ???
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Cave Girl on August 31, 2008, 11:54:58 pm
Hi, Sorry did no read the whoe post, but if there is still place please count me in. thanks
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 01, 2008, 08:07:01 am
LCC = 20
Wilddogs = 19 

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 01, 2008, 02:19:50 pm
Some video clips of our siblings..  Enjoy.

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Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Malibu on September 01, 2008, 02:28:12 pm
Dunno if I missed this, but what is the address for the venue?
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 01, 2008, 02:41:05 pm
Dunno if I missed this, but what is the address for the venue?

Just click on the Golden Pipit link on the first page.  Adress and directions are on their website.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Malibu on September 01, 2008, 02:47:04 pm
Dunno if I missed this, but what is the address for the venue?

Just click on the Golden Pipit link on the first page.  Adress and directions are on their website.

Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 01, 2008, 07:47:55 pm
We must try and push for 30 WDs at least - we can't be outnumbered by Land Cruiser people :-[  Stephan will kak in his broek..... :D


Maybe send some PM around......

H
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 02, 2008, 12:50:55 am
I agree with Killroy . . . As wild dogs we can't be outdone by a bunch of LC driving old toppies for this event!!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Plothond on September 02, 2008, 06:15:25 am
I'll be dragging AdvMX along

He's got NO choice ......  :pot: >:D
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 02, 2008, 06:18:12 am
What about Ganjora, IDR, etc etc  ;D
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: JourneyMan on September 02, 2008, 06:49:46 am
I'll be there.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 02, 2008, 08:04:53 am
funacide and popsipants are definitely to be dragged along as well plottie . . .  Not to mention crazy porra!!!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 02, 2008, 08:09:50 am
funacide and popsipants are definitely to be dragged along as well plottie . . .  Not to mention crazy porra!!!

Shall we tell Golden Pipit to prepare for 50 people, then?   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 02, 2008, 11:01:18 am
Bodycount on the Land Cruiser side stands currently at 24.  I don't think there will be many more from that side!

So I guess around 50-55 will be fine!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 02, 2008, 02:36:25 pm
Are there anyone with a projector that we can use the evening for our presentations?  Golden Pipit is asking us R350 for the use of theirs.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 02, 2008, 07:33:12 pm
Funacide - projector?

H
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Plothond on September 02, 2008, 07:52:56 pm
Adv MX cannot make it

BUT...  :biggrin:......... I have paid for 6 - so will be dragging 2 other couples along

- so from my side - we are 6
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: funacide on September 02, 2008, 08:19:29 pm
I will check on the projector availability..

H your company has lots as well...  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 03, 2008, 12:50:21 am
Plottie jou ou yster!!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 03, 2008, 08:39:31 am
New people mustn't ask for these perks :biggrin:  - do you have one N??
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Cave Girl on September 03, 2008, 09:31:58 am
Will let you know later today if I can borrow one from the bat society.
S
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Cave Girl on September 03, 2008, 10:59:53 am
Projector sorted - I know it works on my laptop R do you want me to drop off both laptop & projector in the morning?
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 03, 2008, 11:02:56 am
Projector sorted - I know it works on my laptop R do you want me to drop off both laptop & projector in the morning?

Many thanks, S.  Both me and Stephan have laptops, so that is sorted.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 03, 2008, 11:33:50 am
Attendee count as at 11:30, Wednesday 3 September:

Attendees:

Davy + 24 Landcruiser Club members
Robin
Davy's friend
Red
Stephan
Kilroy
Malibu
Dakota
Gryshond
Travel Gravel
Plothond x 6
Funacide x 2
Wino
Hel Bent
Blouvark x 2
Cave Girl
Journeyman

LCC = 24
Unknown = 2 (Robin and Davy's friend)
Wilddogs = 22

TOTAL:  48

The menu (not that important in the bigger scheme of things   :biggrin:)

Main:
Pap & sauce
Two salads in season and one warm vegetable dish.
Boerewors, Filet Steak  and Chicken sosaties.
Variety of breads.

Dessert:
Ice creams and chocolate sauce
Baked apple pudding.

Please remember that each person should pay for their own dinner at the event.

One sleep!!!!   :ricky:

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 03, 2008, 03:14:10 pm
Hmmm lekker!
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Cave Girl on September 03, 2008, 03:26:31 pm

Please remember that each person should pay for their own dinner at the event.


We are talking the R200.00 or have I missed something??
S
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 03, 2008, 03:44:42 pm

Please remember that each person should pay for their own dinner at the event.


We are talking the R200.00 or have I missed something??
S

Yes, Kilroy suggested that we pay R150 for dinner and give a donation for the Concervation project on top of that.



Cash bar will be available from 18:00 onwards.






Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 04, 2008, 06:58:35 am
R150 - dinner
+ R50 (for the booking of the facilities and towards Davy's cost)

= R200  a head

Towards the conservation - need to discuss....

H
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Cave Girl on September 04, 2008, 10:30:26 am
I can't believe the LCC club has 24 people attending and only 22 WD's  :(
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: malgat (RIP) on September 04, 2008, 11:18:31 am
sorrie,,,i cant make it,,,,stuck with a prior commitment
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Gryshond on September 04, 2008, 11:32:30 am
Gryshond is X2
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: funacide on September 04, 2008, 06:53:17 pm
Apologies all, I am going to have to bail from this one. Work Issue.

I will still pay the money over though.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 05, 2008, 07:25:59 am
WOW!!

It was awesome‚?¶‚?¶and sad. 

Robin painted a bleak picture.  If something radical is not done, our grandchildren are not going to see wild dogs in the wild in Namibia.  That is the reality.  Their numbers are declining, and unfortunately they are not on the decision makers in Namibia's radar.  It is probably because they are carnivores, which historically get short changed with conservation efforts.

Those of you that did not attend and would like to see Robin's presentation, please PM me with your e-mail address.  I will forward it to you. 

The decisions regarding the projects we are going to be involved in will be posted sometime this weekend.  TravelGravel and I must put everything together.  I did the talking and she did the writing.

One thing we did agree on.  Our BIG project is going to re-establish wild dogs in Etosha.  The last sighting of dogs was in the 1980‚??s.  That one is going to take at least 2 years.  We will post details on this when we have all the information.  WE NEED A KICK-ASS ‚?? IN-YOUR-FACE NAME FOR THAT PROJECT!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Malibu on September 05, 2008, 07:53:06 am
Thanks guys for putting on a terrific presentation.  Was a real eye-opener! Which was combated slightly by a super meal  :biggrin:

Buzz me if I can help you two at all... TG, I still owe you that cuppa coffee!   ;D

Guys, In my opinion, this is fantastic venture for all us dogs to get involved in. A very worthwhile project!  Robin is a super chap and can do with as much help as he can get!

Thanks to all you guys that were involved in the research and planning of this...  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Dakota on September 05, 2008, 09:02:45 am
Thanks for the enjoyable evening, was really nice to meet some of the guys, terrific presentation and great to know we can do something to help‚?¶  :)
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: JustBiking on September 05, 2008, 09:14:35 am
Sounds like it was a great evening... really sorry I missed it.

I found some nice wild dog pictures on the National geographic site

http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/photos/wild-dogs/african-wild-dog-youngster_image.html (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/photos/wild-dogs/african-wild-dog-youngster_image.html)
http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/enlarge/african-wild-dog-lookout_image.html (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/enlarge/african-wild-dog-lookout_image.html)
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 05, 2008, 09:25:29 am
Great work Red, Davy and Robin - thanx too TG - much appreciated.

In brief, this will be our project of choice - participate on 3 levels:

1. Funds generation via different means
2. Physical item donations - from kit, to biking stuff, tyres - stuff they can use to do their work - including services
3. Participation - riding to Nam, distributing marketing material and other things - basically anything Robin wants us to do on 2 wheels....

More to follow, Red and TG is busy finalising our action plans - lots to do, but a mighty cause....

Thanx again for everyone attending - the Land Cruiser people were also great, we are looking forward to work with them on this one....  (at least they can transport our petrol and water ;D)

Stay tuned to this frequency.....

H
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 05, 2008, 11:55:31 am
Some reading for Friday afternoon.  I am really battling getting through the day.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/wilddogs.html?c=y&page=1
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Plothond on September 05, 2008, 12:12:41 pm
Hi Red,

I will liase with you still but here is my offer (as discussed with Hein already) for starters

I will host a Cheese & Wine in my cellar including a wine tasting together with a wine expert who will be available
I will get a cellar or two to give some input (they owe me by now  ;D )

There will an entry fee - for the project of course


Details to follow
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 05, 2008, 12:31:11 pm
Hi Red,

I will liase with you still but here is my offer (as discussed with Hein already) for starters

I will host a Cheese & Wine in my cellar including a wine tasting together with a wine expert who will be available
I will get a cellar or two to give some input (they owe me by now  ;D )

There will an entry fee - for the project of course


Details to follow


:thumleft:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Pistonpete on September 05, 2008, 12:37:25 pm
Do you guys know if there are any Wilddog issues / initiatives in the Cape itself?
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 05, 2008, 12:57:13 pm
Do you guys know if there are any Wilddog issues / initiatives in the Cape itself?

Not that i know of.  Not formal intiatives like in Kruger, Hluhluwe, Madikwe etc. anyway.

Here is a map that Robin showed us last night.  We did a good job didn't we.  The whole South Africa was red 200 years ago.

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Pistonpete on September 05, 2008, 01:01:42 pm
I guess that applies to a whole host of critters that have been wiped out....
Will check my side for info. Tnx
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Extreme Velcro on September 05, 2008, 02:43:53 pm
It is so sad that practically the only way to see most animals these days is in places like Sanwild or other reserves that look to preserving wildlife as best as they can.

Truly WILD animals don't really exist anymore unless by sufferance of human beings - those that do, especially wild dogs, are seen as vermin and often hunted as such. 

Even though as someone who believes that more areas should be open to the "wild" and that animals should of course be allowed to be free without human interfernce, I have to on numerous occasions temper my emotions and accept that sometimes the only way to save animals such as wild dogs from those who wish to use and abuse them is for us to look after them.

Thank heavens for places like Sanwild and Africat, who besides dedicating their lives to those animals who have already been mistreated by us and who therefore cannot funciton without human interference so to speak, through no fault of their own, also continue fighting for the wild animals rights not be hunted like the vermin most farmers wish to treat them as.

Hopefully your educational evening has lead to money being donated to just that over and above of course the costs you have to deal with for dinner etc. and Robin.   Education is always a great way to go.

I hope to soon read more about the plan forward and the animals we are going to help.

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: malgat (RIP) on September 05, 2008, 03:08:47 pm
thanx for sowing the seed,,,,lets all think of a way to help the plight of the widdog,,,

my suggestions are we can make  a stand at venue like a bikeshop/menlyn/shopping centre/etc...

we could even make a "ride" out of it,,,,ride as a pack with paraphanalia and pamphlets to hand out,,,maybe a pledge line/money box

also my AT is in a pimp project,,,its gonna be a basic white and black bike,,,the idea is that i was gonna get a sponsor for my own cause. but im willing to put it aside and rather then  decorate the bike with vinyl stickers of wilddog photos and a info on the bike portrayed and flashed everywhere i go....make it a wilddog awareness project bike

so im quite willing to make my AT a wilddog project on wheels, provided we get the vinyl stickers done expertly and use it to travel from place to place...or  park it at a strategic spot somewhere,,,everywhere,,,anywhere

also im very sure Jaco from  Topbike will  make a little space in their magazine with a photo or article giving publicity to our cause??? so lets make a awareness campaign maybe advertising a mass ride??? otherwise work out a route and publicise it and the rest of us can pump our contacts to donate money towards the wilddogs...use the AT as a awareness magnet,,,im sure i can get media publicity around the bike ,,,,im defnitely in....
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Extreme Velcro on September 05, 2008, 03:24:52 pm
Great work Red, Davy and Robin - thanx too TG - much appreciated.

In brief, this will be our project of choice - participate on 3 levels:

1. Funds generation via different means
2. Physical item donations - from kit, to biking stuff, tyres - stuff they can use to do their work - including services
3. Participation - riding to Nam, distributing marketing material and other things - basically anything Robin wants us to do on 2 wheels....

More to follow, Red and TG is busy finalising our action plans - lots to do, but a mighty cause....

Thanx again for everyone attending - the Land Cruiser people were also great, we are looking forward to work with them on this one....  (at least they can transport our petrol and water ;D)

Stay tuned to this frequency.....

H

What exactly are we funding Robin for?  Perhaps its because we weren't at the dinner, but I am still unclear as to exactly what any money we raise would be going towards.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 05, 2008, 08:16:11 pm
thanx for sowing the seed,,,,lets all think of a way to help the plight of the widdog,,,

also im very sure Jaco from  Topbike will  make a little space in their magazine with a photo or article giving publicity to our cause??? so lets make a awareness campaign maybe advertising a mass ride??? otherwise work out a route and publicise it and the rest of us can pump our contacts to donate money towards the wilddogs...use the AT as a awareness magnet,,,im sure i can get media publicity around the bike ,,,,im defnitely in....


All in good time....  We want to present everything together.

Thanks for the suggestions.  There are so much to be done.  Every effort will be needed.

Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Extreme Velcro on September 05, 2008, 09:49:28 pm
thanx for sowing the seed,,,,lets all think of a way to help the plight of the widdog,,,

also im very sure Jaco from  Topbike will  make a little space in their magazine with a photo or article giving publicity to our cause??? so lets make a awareness campaign maybe advertising a mass ride??? otherwise work out a route and publicise it and the rest of us can pump our contacts to donate money towards the wilddogs...use the AT as a awareness magnet,,,im sure i can get media publicity around the bike ,,,,im defnitely in....


All in good time....  We want to present everything together.

Thanks for the suggestions.  There are so much to be done.  Every effort will be needed.



Cannot wait to hear more....
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: David van Breda on September 07, 2008, 11:37:58 pm
EV,

This whole programme is not exactly on the same line as Sanwild.  On the contrary.   Robin is not out fighting for the rights of the dogs nor trying to preserve the few that's left in an enclosure!  I particulary like his approach of looking at issues on a broader spectrum and trying to leapfrog ahead and get the powers in office to sanction integration of the dogs into former known territories.  There they can roam approx. 3million hectares of wilderness inside a national park and give tourists the opportunity to experience them in their natural habitat.  I like that idea.  As for the rest of the dogs, it is imperative that the awareness campaigns currently running, and new ones be given more horsepower.  This is typically where people like us can play an important role and have some fun in the process.  I believe Robin is a bit thin on the ground!

The appropriation of funds will be in the hands of Robin and the small operation he represent.  I will in due course have further discussions with him in this regard, and obviously tap into the knowledge base of people like Red and Killroy to see if there is a sensible way of helping Robin to 'restructure' his operation in terms of HR and allocation of duties to get bigger exposure for his knowledge about the dog/human conflict.  We are talking serious money here for the next 2-3 years and I am sure he will need a beefed up team to handle this.  So my perception is that is is not just a case of "Hey, I paid you R100, what did you do with it?" 

I got a moving letter from one guy(nogal LCCSA member) saying he is disillusioned about the dogs programmes as he paid R10000 to a similar Natal operation and he was not even invited to go out the the field on a darting operation.  My advise to him was that he rather not send us money as he will defintiely not be treaded as a hero as we do NOT keep count of monies paid to have individuals bask in some distorted glory of their contribution.  This is a group effort and I believe Robin set a perfect example that not even he does this for any other reason but to set the dogs up for survival and an increase in their numbers! 

In closing remark about the funds, I confirm having requested BDO Spencer officially to ''manage'' this account for us as part of their sponsorship for the project.  They agreed.  I went to school with the one senior partner and she still think I am a nice guy, so, viola, we got an auditor!  :cheers: As far as Robin's cost for the evening is concerned, we got a sponsor for his flight ticket, accommodation and transport whilst in SA.  It was my pleasure to pay his braaivleis that evening . . .

I believe Killroy summarized our future effort neatly but suspect they will be refined as we go along.   :deal:  Watch this space for Red and TG's summary!

All in all it was a great evening . . .  and I tell you what, our Wild  :glasses9: dog  :grommit: girls totally ROCK!!!  :headbang:
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Extreme Velcro on September 08, 2008, 07:12:40 am
It's great that Namibia still has the potential (and space) to open itself up to a project like this. 

It's lovely to hear about people like this and let's hope it all goes well.

Just a note on Sanwild - the keeping of the animals at Sanwild in some kind of enclosure is not a choice, but on a needs basis to protect them from the farmers in the area who wish to kill them and do a good job unfortunately.  There is sadly no other place for them - pathetic in a country like ours.  As we all know, when man and best interact as with for example hippos or crocodiles expressing their desire to be free as they should be in nature and not enclosed, the beast usually comes off the worst.

Same as for the lions at Sanwild - regardless of what people think, these are animals that unfortunately can never go back into the wild because they have been imprinted by humans in the canned industry and or been abused in zoos and other places and to keep them at Sanwild and similar places is the best we pathetic humans can do for them under the cirucmstances.

Wild animals should be in only one place - the wild...

that is the first premise of any decent animal activist and to see animals who have been stuffed up by us humans to where we have to interfere in a manner as at Sanwild, Drakenstein Lion Park and other such sanctuaries is exceptionally sad.

Therefore a project like here is to be applauded and of the utmost importance.   I truly wish that something similar as this could be instituted here one day.

Thank you for giving those of us who weren't at the evening a bit more of an overview - much appreciated.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: TravelGravel on September 08, 2008, 07:33:30 am
Guys - what an awesome project to be a part of... I am so gald that I can make a small contribution. I can't wait for us to cross the t's and dot the i's so we can share some of the initiatives with you.

 
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: KiLRoy on September 08, 2008, 08:44:44 am
Maybe we can repeat the evening in CT in the not to distance future? 
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Extreme Velcro on September 08, 2008, 08:48:11 am
Maybe we can repeat the evening in CT in the not to distance future? 

That's a great idea...
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Red on September 08, 2008, 08:52:08 am
My offer to e-mail Robin's presentation still stands.   Just PM me the e-mail address.  I sent the e-mails to the 2 Wilddogs who requested the info.
Title: Re: Namibian Wilddog Conservation Project
Post by: Mzee on September 17, 2008, 07:44:26 am
Frankly, I missed this one. I am glad it was great!