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Title: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ETS on November 28, 2017, 03:08:14 pm
Has anybody done it? We plan to start in Nice and end there again. Any tips perhaps? Time to go- August, Sept?
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Goose on November 28, 2017, 03:50:19 pm
Has anybody done it? We plan to start in Nice and end there again. Any tips perhaps? Time to go- August, Sept?

Listen this has been on my bucket list!!

When in the UK we looked at a specific tour that a group did on Suzuki VanVan's (125's) through the Alps. Most of the chaps had bigger bikes - even GS's - but for the fun factor - this is what they did........  do yourself a favour - go read this story and Ride Report....truly inspirational...

http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/vanvan-alps-adventure-2011.722141/

............... and if there's a chance of doing this........ I'll definitly consider going  :thumleft:
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Gavin on November 28, 2017, 04:11:42 pm
Did it a few years back , best ride ever . We rode all the passes in Switzerland , give me a ring some time and we can chat
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ETS on November 28, 2017, 04:21:00 pm
Did it a few years back , best ride ever . We rode all the passes in Switzerland , give me a ring some time and we can chat

Put a trip together-- you can be team leader :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 28, 2017, 06:26:17 pm
Foeitog die Etsebeth kroos en klein kindertjies gaan eendag foooookkol erf!! :eek7: :lol8: :imaposer:
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 28, 2017, 06:28:32 pm
This summer I did a month (OK about week was in Romania doing Transfagaras and such) in Austria, northern Italy, and Slovenia (Triglav). What is the question?
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 28, 2017, 06:35:33 pm
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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 28, 2017, 06:49:40 pm
Damn Xpat those roads make me want to own a fast road bike :drif:
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 28, 2017, 06:56:10 pm
Damn Xpat those roads make me want to own a fast road bike :drif:

What for? I was beating most on MT07 Tracer (and later on MT09 Tracer, which was worse). Those hairpins are  so tight and straights so short that these bikes with usually smaller turning circle than supersport get upper hand.
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ETS on November 29, 2017, 08:14:07 am
Damn Xpat those roads make me want to own a fast road bike :drif:

What for? I was beating most on MT07 Tracer (and later on MT09 Tracer, which was worse). Those hairpins are  so tight and straights so short that these bikes with usually smaller turning circle than supersport get upper hand.

Ummm this is the one thread that is worthless WITH pics!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you wanna brag write your own ride report!! :ricky:
Any suggestions please? ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Pumbaa on November 29, 2017, 09:21:30 am
Northern Italy and dolomites. You won't regret it. A lot of the roads do have very tight hair pins and definitely not fast flowing type of passes. Absolutely stunning scenery.

This sort of riding

http://seeyouwhenwegetthere.com/photo-album.php?currDir=./Trip_3_-_Jun_2013_to_Aug_2013/01_-_Europe_and_the_Med&pageType=image&image=198_Heading_down_Italy.jpg&startFrom=4

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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: bud500 on November 29, 2017, 09:55:22 am
My suggestion is, apart from looking at bike rental and accommodation costs, also pay some attention to the cost of insurance. It can be expensive.
Another suggestion, if the wife is going on the back, make a plan to attach a printed map of the day's route on your back, that way she can also check out the surroundings whilst still knowing where you are at that time.
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 29, 2017, 10:23:37 am
Damn Xpat those roads make me want to own a fast road bike :drif:

What for? I was beating most on MT07 Tracer (and later on MT09 Tracer, which was worse). Those hairpins are  so tight and straights so short that these bikes with usually smaller turning circle than supersport get upper hand.
I was thinking a Buell would be nice through those mountains.
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: hugh101 on November 29, 2017, 10:39:48 am
I did it with these guys in 2014 http://eubiketours.co.za/
Alps, Dolomites; Stelvio pass, and everything inbetween
The most fun you can have with your clothes on
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: jaybiker on November 29, 2017, 12:37:46 pm
All that snow looks beautiful on those mountains.  8)




When viewed from the valley far below!  :3some:
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Greeny on November 29, 2017, 04:20:10 pm
There was a bit too much when we went!
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 29, 2017, 05:15:19 pm
OK here is quick generic Ride Report:

You fly close by, rent a bike and ride to the Alps. You pick the curviest small side road and off you go. Right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left,right, left, right, left...

When your head spins or you had enough, you stop in the closest village find B&B or family hotel, eat and sleep (the night will cost you about 50-70 EUR incl breakfast).

Repeat.

Some advices: from my about 1 minute long research I did before that trip, the Alpine roads in Austria, northern Italy and Slovenia (don't skip that one - its cheaper and at least as good) are very tight with a lot of switchbacks and therefore you will generally go slower - and in especially juicy places like Stelvio you might see some people who should not be allowed on bikes doing three point turns around the corners with their mamas and all wordly possessions on the back (and yes, my trip confirmed that).

Some of the passes in Switzerland have more sweeping curves which allow you to open up a bit (but then their police will shoot you if you step out of line - don't try to give them 100 Rand). I wasn't there so cannot confirm, but Swiss passes seem to be preferred by for example Porshe enthusiasts.

I loved it in Austria (key highlight there being their highest pass Grossglockner) and Italy (key highlight Stelvio, Dolomiti), but you have to approach it as sporty trip with a focus on killing those chicken strips on tyres. If you want it just as relaxing tourist cruising, then plan for short distances for a day as those curves - and I know this may sound as sacrilige here - do tire you down quite a bit, and I've seen people who wished they are rather in Utah or Arizona riding straight for 100 miles. And don't just hit the main highlights as Stelvio (that one is actualy not much joy to ride at least on eastern side as it is just too tight) - but string them together via small nondescript (but curvy) roads leading there and away - almost any road there will kill any tar riding in SA 10 fold (but there isn't much good tar riding in SA, sorry).

My 2c
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 29, 2017, 05:52:33 pm
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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 29, 2017, 05:55:35 pm
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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 29, 2017, 05:59:04 pm
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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 29, 2017, 06:03:02 pm
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Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Pistonpete on November 29, 2017, 06:08:40 pm
WOW!  :o
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Striggs on November 30, 2017, 06:59:29 am
I did it with these guys in 2014 http://eubiketours.co.za/
Alps, Dolomites; Stelvio pass, and everything inbetween
The most fun you can have with your clothes on

My wife and I together with another 20 saffers did the Alps tour with eubiketours in June this year. The weather was excellent for 90% of the trip, don't leave your raincoat behind.  We had from zero to 35 degrees.... when it rained, it was torrential.  Also have a look when their school holidays/long weekends/public holidays are, try and avoid them if you can... it was bumper to bumper for hundreds of kilometres, not pleasant riding conditions.  As a matter of interest, we did 3600km at an average moving speed of 36km/h..... :o

We looked at the options of doing it ourselves but I found trying to organize a rental, insurance etc to be real pain in the ass so opted for the "tour package" option. And that is with EU passports.  We chose a 1200GS that came with panniers and GPS. It will definitely be cheaper to organize yourself, especially if you choose your own accomodation along the way.  Our accomodation was great, but definitely not the cheapest. I'm not sure how easy it is to hire a bike in France? We only looked at Germany and Italy... the comment about insurance costs is very true, it is hell expensive and make 100% sure it covers you for the engine capacity of the bike you hire...

Whatever you decide, you will not regret it...go for it.
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 30, 2017, 08:03:47 am
Hmmm, admitedly I was already on Europe on sabatical (in Bratislava in Slovakia about 60 km from Wienna), but when my hiking trip fell through because of twisted leg, I decided on Sunday to go for bike trip, looked up rental, next day took train to pick up bike (as it was in different cities) and the day after on Tuesday I was off. No booking - I hate to do that - and I had zero problems, to find accommodation or anything else. And I was there in August which is height of school holidays everywhere in Europe (the best time IMO is June - August and two months of July and August are school holiday more or less anywhere in Europe). That is of course if you stick to Alps - if you are going to the sea or Venice or another tourist trap, you might have different expecience. And of course if you are in a group of 30 (or 10 for that matter), that changes whole dynamic and requires much more massive admin and hassle.

For rental reference: I rented bike from two places, both big bike shops - one in Slovakia (MT07 Tracer) and one in the Czech Republic (MT09 Tracer). The czech one was overall cheaper. Their rental included all necessary insurance for the bike and had unlimited km (while Slovak and others had usually 250 - 300 km per day limit and then they charged you big time). Here is the link to the czech rental company website (exchange rate now is 25.5 CZK per EUR, so Tracer 09 costs about 76 EUR per day - all inclusive as I said + whatever accessories you need like GPS or side bags - mine came with top box for free): https://www.motopujcovna.cz/data/File/rental_bikes_barth_offer_2017.pdf (https://www.motopujcovna.cz/data/File/rental_bikes_barth_offer_2017.pdf)

So one option is arrange with this people to bring bike to Prague, fly there and go from there. It is a bit off the Alps - but in Europe distances are much smaller than in SA. In two weeks you can do easily most of the Alps from there and back. Starting probably in Bavaria with the Eagle's Nest (Hitler's cotage), then going down through Grossglockner to northern Italy (easily doable in one day - I've done it) and there you are in Stelvio vicinity, which is right on the border of Switzerland).
Title: Re: ALPS BY BIKE?
Post by: Xpat on November 30, 2017, 08:05:41 am
Oh yes, and I would expect 40 - 50 kmh to be your average speed in Alps on the good bits... it is very very twisty.