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Title: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on December 12, 2017, 01:51:20 pm
The confirmed teams for 2018:

Aprilia Racing Gresini:  A.Espargaro / S. Redding - Aprilia RS-GP
Ducati Factory:  A. Dovizioso / Jorge Lorenzo - Desmosedici GP 18
Ducati Octo Pramac: D. Petrucci - Desmosedici GP 18 / J. Miller - Desmosedici GP 17
Ducati Reale Avintia: E. Rabat - Desmosidici GP17 / X. Simeon - Desmosidici GP 16
Ducati Pull and Bear Aspar:  A. Bautista - Desmosidici GP 17 / K. Abraham - Desmosidici GP 16
Honda Repsol: D. Pedrosa / M. Marquez - RCV213V
Honda EG Marc VDS:  T. Luthi / F. Morbidelli - RCV213V
Honda LCR Idemitsu: T. Nakagami - RCV213V
(First time for some years that LCR will field two bikes)
Honda LCR Castrol: C. Crutchlow - RCV213V
KTM Red Bull Factory: B. Smith / P. Espargaro - KTM RC16
(Special permission granted by MotoGP for M.Kallio to participate as wildcard 5 times during the season)
Suzuki Ecstar: A. Iannone / A. Rins - GSX-RR
Yamaha Movistar:  V. Rossi / M.Vinales - YZR-M1
Yamaha Monster Tech 3:  J.Zarco / J. Folger - YZR - M1

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on December 12, 2017, 02:06:56 pm
I just cannot wait for the show to start again - I hope the Aprilia and KTM boys do well next season....We know the Dogs, Ducs and Yams will be the rabbits being chased again  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on December 12, 2017, 02:11:10 pm
Jip.  I am a tad fanatical about supporting Yamaha, but have a pretty big soft spot for KTM and Aprilia.  Hopefully we will see them kick a big brand arse once or twice this coming season. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Africamike on January 10, 2018, 09:29:39 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bud500 on January 10, 2018, 09:35:23 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 10, 2018, 04:01:58 pm
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2018, 08:33:52 am
Half of the field will be Ducati's !  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 11, 2018, 10:20:40 am
Half of the field will be Ducati's !  :biggrin:

Yep.  Ducati is way more amicable to selling bikes to independent riders.  Yamaha won't and Honda will only sell 2. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 11, 2018, 10:21:50 am
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

First choice:  Give your tickets to Bear.
Second choice:  No idea.  I think at Assen, anywhere will be great.





Did I mention giving your tickets to Bear yet? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bud500 on January 11, 2018, 10:43:02 am
Ossebruken gets my vote.

Will be amazing at the start.
Thereafter should see some great braking and acceleration moves. But will probably be wet though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: LeonDude on January 11, 2018, 12:40:47 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 11, 2018, 12:43:42 pm
Ossebruken gets my vote.

Will be amazing at the start.
Thereafter should see some great braking and acceleration moves. But will probably be wet though.

Ossenbruken, or Stekkenwal, with a view of the chicane before the finish straight, if at all possible.  . 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: blind on January 11, 2018, 12:51:10 pm
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

Ossebroeken would be my choice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Leo on January 11, 2018, 02:11:22 pm
... where should I go??
1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Ossebroeken Grandstand would be my choice.  :thumleft:

At the other two the bikes is probably going to pass at Mach 2, at least here they have to slow down, turn, turn again and then accelerate.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: landieman on January 13, 2018, 06:53:26 pm
Anywhere,the opportunity to see these missiles in action  :drif: GO YAMAHA!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on January 15, 2018, 11:19:33 am
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

Hey Etienne you lucky bugger you ... you will enjoy it and yes watch out for the rain ... how do you know it will rain at Assen ... if it's not raining it will rain  >:D

When I went there we set at the end of the start / finish straight ... it's great because you get to see the start and also you see all of the action into turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the hairpin

Enjoy  :thumleft:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on January 15, 2018, 11:51:44 am
mmmmm Neither actually .... Try and get onto Geert Timmer stand, it was very cool :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 15, 2018, 01:22:40 pm
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

Hey Etienne you lucky bugger you ... you will enjoy it and yes watch out for the rain ... how do you know it will rain at Assen ... if it's not raining it will rain  >:D

When I went there we set at the end of the start / finish straight ... it's great because you get to see the start and also you see all of the action into turn 1, 2, 3, 4 and the hairpin

Enjoy  :thumleft:

Hey there bud, awesome, it sounds like you were in Struben Turbine, would have loved to be able to get tickets there, but alas, I am stuck with the three options I mentioned!
Will be prepared for rain, as it ALWAYS seem to rain with the Assen Race  :ricky:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 15, 2018, 01:24:03 pm
mmmmm Neither actually .... Try and get onto Geert Timmer stand, it was very cool :thumleft:

That would have been first prize for sure, but I got the Ossebroeken Grandstand tickets, still pretty chuffed....

 :deal:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on January 15, 2018, 02:46:36 pm
mmmmm Neither actually .... Try and get onto Geert Timmer stand, it was very cool :thumleft:

That would have been first prize for sure, but I got the Ossebroeken Grandstand tickets, still pretty chuffed....

 :deal:

As you should! You will have fun...... Enjoy!!!!!! :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2018, 09:00:45 pm
Half of the field will be Ducati's !  :biggrin:

Yep.  Ducati is way more amicable to selling bikes to independent riders.  Yamaha won't and Honda will only sell 2.

Yes, disappointing from the only company to ever sell a range of roadrace bikes to customers.

The TZ family.......125,  250,  350,  500,  700/750.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on January 16, 2018, 06:55:49 am
I see Georgie Porgie is ready to rock 2018!

https://web.facebook.com/Jorge.Lorenzo.Official/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 16, 2018, 09:37:00 am
Half of the field will be Ducati's !  :biggrin:

Yep.  Ducati is way more amicable to selling bikes to independent riders.  Yamaha won't and Honda will only sell 2.

Yes, disappointing from the only company to ever sell a range of roadrace bikes to customers.

The TZ family.......125,  250,  350,  500,  700/750.

Very disappointing and I am not at all sure why it is their policy. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Goatman on January 16, 2018, 12:30:38 pm
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Post by: Mooch on January 16, 2018, 12:50:42 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kalahari Leeu on January 17, 2018, 04:42:46 pm
Tickets booked: 2+3 June @ Mugello on Biondetti Stand!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on January 17, 2018, 07:58:32 pm
Half of the field will be Ducati's !  :biggrin:

Yep.  Ducati is way more amicable to selling bikes to independent riders.  Yamaha won't and Honda will only sell 2.

Yes, disappointing from the only company to ever sell a range of roadrace bikes to customers.

The TZ family.......125,  250,  350,  500,  700/750.

And for nostalgia's sake herewith the specs and prices of those bikes in 1976.  The last photo with prices is just to give a relative cost compared to roadbikes of that era.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 18, 2018, 07:38:32 am
Thanks Amsterdam, that is very informative!!

 Yamaha nowadays really seem like a severely watered-down version of it's old self.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 18, 2018, 09:59:34 am
The confirmed teams for 2018:

Aprilia Racing Gresini:  A.Espargaro / S. Redding - Aprilia RS-GP
Ducati Factory:  A. Dovizioso / Jorge Lorenzo - Desmosedici GP 18
Ducati Octo Pramac: D. Petrucci - Desmosedici GP 18 / J. Miller - Desmosedici GP 17
Ducati Reale Avintia: E. Rabat - Desmosidici GP17 / X. Simeon - Desmosidici GP 16
Ducati Pull and Bear Aspar:  A. Bautista - Desmosidici GP 17 / K. Abraham - Desmosidici GP 16
Honda Repsol: D. Pedrosa / M. Marquez - RCV213V
Honda EG Marc VDS:  T. Luthi / F. Morbidelli - RCV213V
Honda LCR Idemitsu: T. Nakagami - RCV213V
(First time for some years that LCR will field two bikes)
Honda LCR Castrol: C. Crutchlow - RCV213V
KTM Red Bull Factory: B. Smith / P. Espargaro - KTM RC16
(Special permission granted by MotoGP for M.Kallio to participate as wildcard 5 times during the season)
Suzuki Ecstar: A. Iannone / A. Rins - GSX-RR
Yamaha Movistar:  V. Rossi / M.Vinales - YZR-M1
Yamaha Monster Tech 3:  J.Zarco / J. Folger - YZR - M1

Terribly sad, But Jonas Folger will not race this year due to his illness, Gilbert Syndrome.  This leaves the Monster Tech 3 squad with an conundrum since most riders have signed with teams already.  Finding a replacement will be very interesting and possibly a surprise.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on January 18, 2018, 10:02:09 am
Sad indeed! BUT my Mrs has Gilberts and I fail to see why it would halt his racing career....?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bud500 on January 18, 2018, 10:26:53 am
Tickets booked: 2+3 June @ Mugello on Biondetti Stand!!!

 :o :drif: :drif: :drif:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 18, 2018, 12:17:13 pm
Sad indeed! BUT my Mrs has Gilberts and I fail to see why it would halt his racing career....?

Well, it seems he feels that he cannot ride a MotoGP machine at 100% due to the illness, or so he stated in the press release.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 18, 2018, 12:25:18 pm
Sad indeed! BUT my Mrs has Gilberts and I fail to see why it would halt his racing career....?


Your missus does'nt have to wrestle a 250hp 4cylinder around a tight track at great speed.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 18, 2018, 12:39:51 pm
Sad indeed! BUT my Mrs has Gilberts and I fail to see why it would halt his racing career....?


Your missus does'nt have to wrestle a 250hp 4cylinder around a tight track at great speed.  :thumleft:

Indeed.  Also, the rest of it.  It is not just the race.  There are some serious travel involved, 4 FP session of 1 hour each.  QP 1 and possibly 2.  WUP and the race.  Plus the other in-season testing.  It ads up.  You need to be super fit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on January 22, 2018, 11:41:23 am
Thanks Amsterdam, that is very informative!!

 Yamaha nowadays really seem like a severely watered-down version of it's old self.
The same for Dakar as well, you really only have one option buy a KTM 450 RR. If not be damned to your garage and try to the best of your abilities to build your own Japanese rally bike. I don't know what is going on, they don't build any new singles anymore whilst in 2019 there will be a new KTM 690.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 24, 2018, 10:19:36 am
With Jonas Folger out of the 2018 MotoGP season, leaving Tech3 Yamaha in a bit of a bind to find a rider, as all the "names" are already contracted, they decided to let Rossi ride both the Factory Movistar Yamaha and the Tech 3 Yamaha.  This idea was scuppered when both Jorge Lorenzo and Marc Marquez protested as they felt they couldn't handle having Rossi on both 1st and 2nd on the podium!   :peepwall: >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 24, 2018, 10:32:19 am
Those who are suffering severe withdrawal due to the off-season for MotoGP, it starts today with the first private testing from Sepang, Malaysia.  Apparantly all 6 manufacturers are there.  Mika Kallio for KTM and Casey Stoner for Ducati.  Suzuki have a whole host of riders with Stefan Bradl the official test rider, but Michael Dunlop, Josh Waters and Tony Elias being rewarded for good Suzuki seasons last year with a guest ride on a MotoGP bike.  Yamaha, Honda and Aprilia also represented by their test riders. 

Official testing will start on 28/1 when the team riders will join.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on January 24, 2018, 10:40:55 am
Those who are suffering severe withdrawal due to the off-season for MotoGP, it starts today with the first private testing from Sepang, Malaysia.  Apparantly all 6 manufacturers are there.  Mika Kallio for KTM and Casey Stoner for Ducati.  Suzuki have a whole host of riders with Stefan Bradl the official test rider, but Michael Dunlop, Josh Waters and Tony Elias being rewarded for good Suzuki seasons last year with a guest ride on a MotoGP bike.  Yamaha, Honda and Aprilia also represented by their test riders. 

Official testing will start on 28/1 when the team riders will join.

I cannot wait for the season to start....and to see how MM does ( again ) and how George behaves and responds to team instructions...and of course how Mr. 46 will do  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 24, 2018, 11:00:07 am
Those who are suffering severe withdrawal due to the off-season for MotoGP, it starts today with the first private testing from Sepang, Malaysia.  Apparantly all 6 manufacturers are there.  Mika Kallio for KTM and Casey Stoner for Ducati.  Suzuki have a whole host of riders with Stefan Bradl the official test rider, but Michael Dunlop, Josh Waters and Tony Elias being rewarded for good Suzuki seasons last year with a guest ride on a MotoGP bike.  Yamaha, Honda and Aprilia also represented by their test riders. 

Official testing will start on 28/1 when the team riders will join.

I cannot wait for the season to start....and to see how MM does ( again ) and how George behaves and responds to team instructions...and of course how Mr. 46 will do  :thumleft:

I am hoping for closer racing and some real excitement, much like last year, but with Suzuki and even KTM regularly closer to the front.  Of course, I firmly believe the best Rossi ..er, man must win.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 29, 2018, 11:22:56 am
Official testing from Sepang:


Day 1:  Pedrosa fastest.  Next 4 bikes Ducatis, then Rossi, best Yamaha.  Link below for full timing list.

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/889109/1/sepang-motogp-test-times-sunday-final

Day 2:  Vinales fastest, with Rossi 2nd and Zarco 6th.  Good improvement for the Yamahas since yesterday.  Of course, impossible to say what the other teams were trying, testing, etc.  Link to full list below:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/889172/1/sepang-motogp-test-times-monday-final

Day 3:  JL99 fastest setting a blistering lap of 1.58.830.  This is the fastest 2-wheeled lap ever set at Sepang.  Honda and Ducati ruled the roost at the top today, with Rossi, best Yamaha in 8th.    Full time list here:

http://www.crash.net/motogp/results/889251/1/sepang-motogp-test-times-tuesday-final








Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 31, 2018, 12:42:29 pm
Some interesting things I noted during the Sepang official testing.  Testing is no indicator of possible future success as we cannot know what the teams were actually testing, what tyres they used, what fuel loads was, what mapping was used, etc.  Still, there are always some interesting aspects.

1.  JL99 is fast.  Very fast.  In fact, top of the combined times list, i.e. on average fastest over the three days.  This is almost exactly the opposite to first test 2017.
2.  .Dani is fast.  Fastest Honda over the three days.
3.  Jack Millar took to the Ducati like a fish to water.  5th fastest over the three days.
4.  MM93 is surprisingly low on the list at 8th.
5.  VR46 is excited about the bike and although 9th overall is not concerned as it seems they sorted the 2017 issues. He is not concerned about the times as they were doing race simulations and testing the bike on worn tyres.
6.  Yamaha is serious!  Apart from the 2 factory and 2 satelite bikes, they had THREE test riders collecting data.  Everyone else had one.
7.  MV25 is very happy with the bike.  He is 7th overall, but like Rossi concentrated more on race simulations and setting on old tyres.
8.  Zarco, after singing the 2017 M1's praised last year at Jerez, decided, after two days testing to switch to the 2016 bike.  His bike will be the JL99 Yamaha last ised by JL99, but with a 2018 engine.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on January 31, 2018, 02:13:59 pm
Some interesting things I noted during the Sepang official testing.  Testing is no indicator of possible future success as we cannot know what the teams were actually testing, what tyres they used, what fuel loads was, what mapping was used, etc.  Still, there are always some interesting aspects.

1.  JL99 is fast.  Very fast.  In fact, top of the combined times list, i.e. on average fastest over the three days.  This is almost exactly the opposite to first test 2017.
2.  .Dani is fast.  Fastest Honda over the three days.
3.  Jack Millar took to the Ducati like a fish to water.  5th fastest over the three days.
4.  MM93 is surprisingly low on the list at 8th.
5.  VR46 is excited about the bike and although 9th overall is not concerned as it seems they sorted the 2017 issues. He is not concerned about the times as they were doing race simulations and testing the bike on worn tyres.
6.  Yamaha is serious!  Apart from the 2 factory and 2 satelite bikes, they had THREE test riders collecting data.  Everyone else had one.
7.  MV25 is very happy with the bike.  He is 7th overall, but like Rossi concentrated more on race simulations and setting on old tyres.
8.  Zarco, after singing the 2017 M1's praised last year at Jerez, decided, after two days testing to switch to the 2016 bike.  His bike will be the JL99 Yamaha last ised by JL99, but with a 2018 engine.

Very interesting - there is an old saying  " if you train good, you play good "...but as you say, its not always true, particularly in racing.
MM will be right up there and Vinales as well.George...well see his temperament  ;) VR should dice it out at the top and Zarco has all the talent in the world  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on January 31, 2018, 02:19:41 pm
Some interesting things I noted during the Sepang official testing.  Testing is no indicator of possible future success as we cannot know what the teams were actually testing, what tyres they used, what fuel loads was, what mapping was used, etc.  Still, there are always some interesting aspects.

1.  JL99 is fast.  Very fast.  In fact, top of the combined times list, i.e. on average fastest over the three days.  This is almost exactly the opposite to first test 2017.
2.  .Dani is fast.  Fastest Honda over the three days.
3.  Jack Millar took to the Ducati like a fish to water.  5th fastest over the three days.
4.  MM93 is surprisingly low on the list at 8th.
5.  VR46 is excited about the bike and although 9th overall is not concerned as it seems they sorted the 2017 issues. He is not concerned about the times as they were doing race simulations and testing the bike on worn tyres.
6.  Yamaha is serious!  Apart from the 2 factory and 2 satelite bikes, they had THREE test riders collecting data.  Everyone else had one.
7.  MV25 is very happy with the bike.  He is 7th overall, but like Rossi concentrated more on race simulations and setting on old tyres.
8.  Zarco, after singing the 2017 M1's praised last year at Jerez, decided, after two days testing to switch to the 2016 bike.  His bike will be the JL99 Yamaha last ised by JL99, but with a 2018 engine.

Very interesting - there is an old saying  " if you train good, you play good "...but as you say, its not always true, particularly in racing.
MM will be right up there and Vinales as well.George...well see his temperament  ;) VR should dice it out at the top and Zarco has all the talent in the world  :thumleft:

Yeah, I like Zarco.  Very talented with a scoop of guts.

I see Yamaha struggled on day 3 and they are not sure why.  Then I see they consider 0,4s a lap slower as struggling.  I wonder what they would call a full second!?   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 07, 2018, 01:18:58 pm
Moto 2 and Mot 3 testing at Valencia 6 - 8 February.  They should have moved it to Killarney in the Cape!

Moto 2:

6/2 Session 1:  No times set.
6/2 Session 2:  1 Time set.  D. Aegerter, 1:55.938
6/2 Session 3:  1 Time set.  D. Aegerter, 1:51.344
7/2 Session 4:  5 times set.  S. Manzi.  1:48/175

The riders we want to see, Brad Binder and Steven Odendaal has not been on track yet.

Moto 3:

6/2 Session 1:  Nada.
6/2 Session 2:  3 Riders tried.  F. Di Giannantonio. 1:53.805
6/2 Session 3.  1 Rider. F. Di Giannantonio. 1:48.384
7/2 Session 4:  Nobody tried.
7/2 Session 5:  3 is trying. M. Bezzecchi. 1:48.646

Darryn Binder has not been on track yet.

So far, a bit of a wet rag ....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on February 07, 2018, 03:03:25 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 07, 2018, 06:25:15 pm
Finally, Sessions 5 and 6 delivered some track time for both classes:

Session 5:

Brad Binder and Steven Odendaal in Moto 2 was 9th (1,1s off the pace) and 15th (1.7s off) respectively.
Darryn Binder in Moto 3 was 11th fastest , 2.3s off the fastest.

Session 6:

Brad Binder and Steven Odendaal in Moto 2 was 9th (0.7s off) and 15th (1.5 off) respectively.
Darryn Binder in Moto 3 was 18th fastest, 1,6s of the fastest.

Names in the top couple Moto 3 is Antonelli, Loi, Oetll, Bastianinni and a few new names.
In Moto 2 it is Corsi, Pasini, Oliviera, Vinales and a few new names.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on February 07, 2018, 08:58:17 pm
Shot  :thumleft: Hope the Binders and Steve Odendaal have a great racing year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 08, 2018, 01:51:47 pm
Looks like the Moto 2 and 3's are getting some dry track time today.

Session 7:

Darryn was 8th fastest, 1,2s of the fastest Tony Arbolino.  Nice one as today he was faster than Loi, Bastianinni, Antonelli, Giannantonio and a few other of the more experienced riders.

No track time for the Moto 2.  Not sure why.  Only Pasini did a few laps.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2018, 08:12:27 am
Session 8:

Darryn:  20th, 1,6s off the leader Jorge Martin.  Same guys around the top.  Bastiannin, Antonelli, Oetl..
Brad:  9th, 0,9s off the top guy, Pasini.  Oliviera was 3rd, with Vinales, Corsi  and Fenatishowing some speed.
Steven:  16th, 1,3s off.



Session 9:

Darryn:  6th, 1,5s of fastest man Andrea Mignon.  Bastianinni again in the top.
Brad:  11th, 1,0s off.  Hector Barbera, from MotoGP showing a good turn of speed in 4th.
Steven:  15th, 1,4s off.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2018, 02:52:13 pm
Moto 2 and 3 testing at Jerez this week.  I hope the weather is better than last week.

Session 1:

Darryn:  19th, almost 2 s of the lead.  I hope they were testing vrot tyres! 
Brad:  15th, 1.1s of the lead.
Steven:  26th, 2.2s of the lead.


Full results here:

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto3+Jerez+Test+1+2018
http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto2+Jerez+Test+1+2018

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on February 12, 2018, 09:53:37 pm
Moto 2 and 3 testing at Jerez this week.  I hope the weather is better than last week.

Session 1:

Darryn:  19th, almost 2 s of the lead.  I hope they were testing vrot tyres! 
Brad:  15th, 1.1s of the lead.
Steven:  26th, 2.2s of the lead.


Full results here:

Shot  :thumleft:

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto3+Jerez+Test+1+2018
http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto2+Jerez+Test+1+2018
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2018, 09:58:56 am
Moto 3 / 2 testing from Jerez,

Session 2:

Darryn, 5th fastest, 6.6s of the lead.  Only 9 riders took to the track due to rain.
Only 6 riders went on track due to inclement weather.  Brad and Steven sat this one out.


Session 3:

Darryn, 17th, 1,0s of the leader, Jorge Martin.
Brad, 11th, 0.6s of the leader, Francsco Bagnaia
Steven, 22nd, 1,5s of the lead.

More testing today, three sessions if weather allows.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bud500 on February 13, 2018, 10:30:58 am
Thanks for the updates.

Damn, they should rather be testing in RSA..... ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on February 13, 2018, 10:50:55 am
Superbru ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on February 13, 2018, 10:56:48 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2018, 01:14:07 pm
Session 4:

Darryn:  22nd.  2,1s off the pace.  All the usual suspects in the top 10.  Oettl, Canet, Bastianinni, Mignon, Martin.

Brad:  12th, 0,8s off.
Steven:  23rd.  1,9s off the pace.

Top couple of names.  Bagniaia, Marquez, Pasini, Corsi, Vinales, Fenati.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2018, 01:21:01 pm
Superbru ?

First race only on 18 March, so there is time yet.  Too much time ... *sob*

Thankfully WSBK starts on 23 Feb.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bud500 on February 13, 2018, 01:44:13 pm
While we wait....

Taken from: http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/get-o...er-never-land/


“Get on a plane and come to Thailand. Do not go to Greenland, Ireland, Swaziland, Disneyland, or Never-Never Land…”

Dear George,

Why are you in fucking Iceland? You need to be in Thailand.

I just got a call from a man called Thor who lives in Kirkjubæjarklaustur. No, I do not know how to pronounce it. He sounded like he was drowning a small dog in a big bucket when he said it.

He also said there was an angry child with a spear wandering around Kirkjubæjarklaustur yelling something that sounded like “Doohkhadi!”, but he wasn’t sure what was going on until the child gave him a card with my phone number on it.

I told you that card would come in handy, didn’t I?

Now go back to the airport and get on a plane and come to Thailand. Do not go to Greenland, Ireland, Swaziland, Disneyland, or Never-Never Land.

Go to THAILAND.

We have some important things to discuss before the next test.

I have fitted some new things to the bike. You might have read one of them is a pressure transducer that measures surface pressure at different points on your bike’s aerodynamics.

Don’t worry. We shall remove the yellow arrow before the racing starts.

That’s what we told the press. It doesn’t do that at all, so don’t worry. What it does do is polarise the telemetry, which is what you asked for at the end of last season.

“Polarise my telemetry, ramera repugnante!” you yelled just after you punched Dovi in the face after he won his second race. I remember it well. Dovi needed icepacks and to be held all the way home on the plane. I don’t think he’s ever been called a disgusting whore before.

I have also included a picture of your bike this year versus the bike Rossi…oops, the Yellow Puta rode in 2011, so you can see just how much we’ve changed it.

Yours is the bottom one, George.

First, we rubbed off all the yellow paint because you said it gave you leprosy.

Then we made your rear-wheel bouncy hold-brace (see, I told you we won’t call it a swingarm anymore) sit more flat. The Yellow Puta’s pointed more down, but you wanted yours to be more…um, “encouraging” I think you said. You then added you didn’t want it to remind you of Dovi’s face because it pointed down like his miserable but sensuous mouth.

We also made the rear mudguard shorter so your pedazos de mierda enemies would be blinded by sprays of Holy Mamba Champion Water during a wet race when you’re in front of them. That hasn’t happened yet, but just so you know it can happen when you’re ready.

We added some airholes in the tank where you like your Japanese sex-octopus to sit during the race, and I made sure they looked exactly like the “Blood-gills of the Spartan shark!” as you requested.

And as you can see, we have also made the fairing look like “The beak of an eagle which is tearing the piss-yellow dog-flesh of the putas!” as you described it to me.

The seat is also new. Even newer than it was last year. It can be adjusted in increments of micro-millimeters for a whole metre in sixteen different axial planes. We have also allowed for tilt adjustment and can have the seat-covering changed according to how it needs to feel on your arse on any given day, at any given racetrack. The materials available range from sponge, to velour, to silk, to PVC, to Nutella, to mamba leather, to that disturbing pink stuff you found on the Internet which is apparently made from the tongues of whales.

You will also notice we made more space available between the front wheel and the fairing on this year’s bike. You mentioned you might want me to fit highway pegs on tracks which have very long straights this year. And I listen to everything you say.

But I need you to get to Thailand a soon as possible and try all this new stuff out on a track no-one’s ever raced on before.

This is a big deal, George. A good time here will send a message to the other racers that you’re not to be trifled with this season.

And I need you to put in lots of laps. No, three laps is not lots of laps. Neither is five, OK? Just go out and go around and around until you run out of petrol.

There’s no point putting up pit-boards or sending messages to your dashboard, is there?

Work with me on this, George. Please don’t make this season any longer than it has to be.

Best regards,

Gigi.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2018, 03:03:19 pm
While we wait....

Taken from: http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/get-o...er-never-land/


“Get on a plane and come to Thailand. Do not go to Greenland, Ireland, Swaziland, Disneyland, or Never-Never Land…”

Dear George,

Why are you in fucking Iceland? You need to be in Thailand.

I just got a call from a man called Thor who lives in Kirkjubæjarklaustur. No, I do not know how to pronounce it. He sounded like he was drowning a small dog in a big bucket when he said it.

He also said there was an angry child with a spear wandering around Kirkjubæjarklaustur yelling something that sounded like “Doohkhadi!”, but he wasn’t sure what was going on until the child gave him a card with my phone number on it.

I told you that card would come in handy, didn’t I?

Now go back to the airport and get on a plane and come to Thailand. Do not go to Greenland, Ireland, Swaziland, Disneyland, or Never-Never Land.

Go to THAILAND.

We have some important things to discuss before the next test.

I have fitted some new things to the bike. You might have read one of them is a pressure transducer that measures surface pressure at different points on your bike’s aerodynamics.

Don’t worry. We shall remove the yellow arrow before the racing starts.

That’s what we told the press. It doesn’t do that at all, so don’t worry. What it does do is polarise the telemetry, which is what you asked for at the end of last season.

“Polarise my telemetry, ramera repugnante!” you yelled just after you punched Dovi in the face after he won his second race. I remember it well. Dovi needed icepacks and to be held all the way home on the plane. I don’t think he’s ever been called a disgusting whore before.

I have also included a picture of your bike this year versus the bike Rossi…oops, the Yellow Puta rode in 2011, so you can see just how much we’ve changed it.

Yours is the bottom one, George.

First, we rubbed off all the yellow paint because you said it gave you leprosy.

Then we made your rear-wheel bouncy hold-brace (see, I told you we won’t call it a swingarm anymore) sit more flat. The Yellow Puta’s pointed more down, but you wanted yours to be more…um, “encouraging” I think you said. You then added you didn’t want it to remind you of Dovi’s face because it pointed down like his miserable but sensuous mouth.

We also made the rear mudguard shorter so your pedazos de mierda enemies would be blinded by sprays of Holy Mamba Champion Water during a wet race when you’re in front of them. That hasn’t happened yet, but just so you know it can happen when you’re ready.

We added some airholes in the tank where you like your Japanese sex-octopus to sit during the race, and I made sure they looked exactly like the “Blood-gills of the Spartan shark!” as you requested.

And as you can see, we have also made the fairing look like “The beak of an eagle which is tearing the piss-yellow dog-flesh of the putas!” as you described it to me.

The seat is also new. Even newer than it was last year. It can be adjusted in increments of micro-millimeters for a whole metre in sixteen different axial planes. We have also allowed for tilt adjustment and can have the seat-covering changed according to how it needs to feel on your arse on any given day, at any given racetrack. The materials available range from sponge, to velour, to silk, to PVC, to Nutella, to mamba leather, to that disturbing pink stuff you found on the Internet which is apparently made from the tongues of whales.

You will also notice we made more space available between the front wheel and the fairing on this year’s bike. You mentioned you might want me to fit highway pegs on tracks which have very long straights this year. And I listen to everything you say.

But I need you to get to Thailand a soon as possible and try all this new stuff out on a track no-one’s ever raced on before.

This is a big deal, George. A good time here will send a message to the other racers that you’re not to be trifled with this season.

And I need you to put in lots of laps. No, three laps is not lots of laps. Neither is five, OK? Just go out and go around and around until you run out of petrol.

There’s no point putting up pit-boards or sending messages to your dashboard, is there?

Work with me on this, George. Please don’t make this season any longer than it has to be.

Best regards,

Gigi.

The pictures refereed to.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 14, 2018, 09:34:41 am
Session 5:

Darryn:  21st, 2,0s off.  :-(   (I know testing doesn't mean much, but I want to see him at the top! )
The top guys from last year, still in Moto3 are constantly in the top 10.  Martin, Oettl, Loi, Di Gianntonio, etc.
Brad:  9th.  0,9s of Baigniaia in #1.
Steven:  24th, 1.7s off.
Interestingly, Oliviera is consistently in the top 5.

Session 6:
Darryn:  18th, 1.4s from the leader.
Brad:  6th, 0,5 s off.
Steven:  23rd, 1,5s off.

Session 7:

Darryn:  20th, 1.3s off the leader.  Jorge Martin, Antonelli, Oettl really looks menacing.
Brad: 4th, 0.4s behind fastest man Marquez.  Oliviera, Pasini and Bagniaia consistently in the top.
Steven: 23rd, 2.2s off the leader.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on February 14, 2018, 01:40:01 pm
And Brad moves to P4 at 0.4 off the leader in session 7
Odendaal at P23 and 2.2 seconds off.

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto2+Jerez+Test+1+2018

In Moto3 Darren P20 at 1.3 seconds behind the leader.
http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto3+Jerez+Test+1+2018
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 14, 2018, 03:19:59 pm
Session 8:

Darryn:  23 rd  2,6s off the pace.  Still Di Giannantonio, Migno, Bastianinni, etc.  constantly in the top.
Brad:  6th, 0,5s off Bagnaia.  Front runners still Marquez, Oliviera, etc.
Steven:  26th, 2,0s off the leader.

Session 9:

Darryn:  9th, 1,2s from the leader.  Only 12 riders took to the track.  Same crowd in top 6 or so.
Brad: 3rd.  0,8 of the pace.
Steven:  18th.  1,7s off.

The Red Bull KTM Moto 2 team leaves Jerez after testing with combined time positions of 3rd (Oliviera) and 6th (Brad).  I think they must be pretty happy and ready for the next testing session, also at Jerez from 6 - 8 March.  I am guessing that they cannot be as excited about their Moto3 effort with Darryn so far. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 15, 2018, 10:50:43 am
Next MotoGP testing starting tomorrow at Buriram in Thailand.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on February 16, 2018, 04:10:38 pm
And at the Thailand test the 1st 20 riders within 1 second of fastest man for the day, Cal Crutchlow.

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/MotoGP+Buriram+Test+2018
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 20, 2018, 01:47:26 pm
Sadly, it seems like deja vu from last season.  Honda have their bikes sorted.  Yamaha and Ducati are wondering what went wrong.

Combined times for the three days:

1:  Dani
2:  Zarco
3:  Marques

The above the only three to break the 1:30.000 lap time.

Fastest Ducati:  Jack Miller in 6th
Fastest Yamaha:  Maverick in 8th
Rossi only 12th
Lorenzo a distant 16th

Full results here as posted by Amsterdam:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 22, 2018, 02:55:12 pm
Yamaha and Tech3 to part ways in 2019

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/02/22/yamaha-and-tech-3-to-part-ways-in-2019/250422
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on February 27, 2018, 10:42:11 am
Yamaha and Tech3 to part ways in 2019

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/02/22/yamaha-and-tech-3-to-part-ways-in-2019/250422

Tech 3 going with KTM.  A good move, I think. 

This leaves Yamaha with a bit of a headache as they need to supply a satellite team, but then, it seems the hind tit suckers for both Honda and Ducati are eyeing those two Yamies.  Then there is the persistent rumours around a VR46 team joining ....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2018, 02:06:55 pm
MotoGP testing from Qatar this past weekend.

Day 1:

1. Vinales
2. Dovi
3. Iannone
4. Zarco
5. JL99

Rossi was 7th and it seems that Honda is struggling as the best Honda was Crutchlow in 9th, MM 10th and Dani 11th.

Day 2:

1. Iannone
2. Dovi
3. MM93
4. Zarco
5. Rins

Rossi's turn to struggle at 11th.  Vinales at 7th.  The factory Yamahas struggled with wheelspin all day long.

Day 3:

1.  Zarco
2.  Rossi
3.  Dovi
4.  Crutchlow
5.  Vinales

Best Honda MM93 in 6th. 

Interesting about this testing was that they had an hour of testing, in the evening on a track with artificial rain provided by a heck of a lot of spraying equipment.  The reason for this is that, in the past few years two races had to be moved to the Monday due to rain and it wa sfel that the rain, under lights would impair rider visibility.  This hour test was to see if that would be true.

Zarco, Rossi and Marquez feels it will present no problem.
Dani and Crutchlow feel that grip is a serious issue and further discussion is required.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on March 05, 2018, 04:35:08 pm
Cool  :thumleft: Very interesting ( the fake rain exercise )
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: evansv on March 05, 2018, 05:12:15 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2018, 09:30:18 am
Cool  :thumleft: Very interesting ( the fake rain exercise )

It was.  Very clever move as well.

Loris Caparossi, GP rider of a few years ago and now safety officer, even ran a few laps on a bike, closely following the safety car to see if spray would cause a serious issue. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on March 06, 2018, 10:00:42 am
Cool  :thumleft: Very interesting ( the fake rain exercise )

It was.  Very clever move as well.

Loris Caparossi, GP rider of a few years ago and now safety officer, even ran a few laps on a bike, closely following the safety car to see if spray would cause a serious issue.

That's proper and thorough planning !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Superboet on March 06, 2018, 10:17:48 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 06, 2018, 03:28:14 pm
Has anyone ever gone to Qatar to watch a GP race?

I think its on my bucket list so i found a travel agency that dows Moto GP tours, basically, flights, transfers, 4 star hotel, breakfast, tickets ( main grandstand ) comes to R22k, leaves 15 march come back on the 19th

Thats Per person Sharing, but Im assuming thats on the expensive side? anyone ever gone?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on March 06, 2018, 04:07:46 pm
There are many other destinations I would choose over Qatar...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 06, 2018, 04:25:27 pm
Has anyone ever gone to Qatar to watch a GP race?

I think its on my bucket list so i found a travel agency that dows Moto GP tours, basically, flights, transfers, 4 star hotel, breakfast, tickets ( main grandstand ) comes to R22k, leaves 15 march come back on the 19th

Thats Per person Sharing, but Im assuming thats on the expensive side? anyone ever gone?

I lived in Qatar during 2012 and I went to see the MotoGP at Losail. It was awesome to go and see a MotoGP race live, and I attended every practice session, qualifying and the race for all classes including the local QMF races held during the afternoon. I loved it as it was my first live MotoGP experience. What I can say is that I do not think Losail is the best track to go and see a live race. You can only sit on the grand stand and all you can see is the home straight. Yes, the bikes go past incredibly fast and they brake with everything they have into the right-hand 1st corner, but that is really all you see, all the time....... you see them as tiny little dots entering the home straight, see them blasting past at 350km/h, then they are gone and you sometimes see a blue flame lighting up the rear as they slow down for corner 1........that is it........all the time......

I would rather try and go a see a race in Malaysia or Thailand as it may be cheaper to fly there, not sure......

I am lucky enough to be going to Assen this year for the DutchGP...................sorry..........    :biggrin: :biggrin:



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 06, 2018, 04:33:07 pm
Has anyone ever gone to Qatar to watch a GP race?

I think its on my bucket list so i found a travel agency that dows Moto GP tours, basically, flights, transfers, 4 star hotel, breakfast, tickets ( main grandstand ) comes to R22k, leaves 15 march come back on the 19th

Thats Per person Sharing, but Im assuming thats on the expensive side? anyone ever gone?

I lived in Qatar during 2012 and I went to see the MotoGP at Losail. It was awesome to go and see a MotoGP race live, and I attended every practice session, qualifying and the race for all classes including the local QMF races held during the afternoon. I loved it as it was my first live MotoGP experience. What I can say is that I do not think Losail is the best track to go and see a live race. You can only sit on the grand stand and all you can see is the home straight. Yes, the bikes go past incredibly fast and they brake with everything they have into the right-hand 1st corner, but that is really all you see, all the time....... you see them as tiny little dots entering the home straight, see them blasting past at 350km/h, then they are gone and you sometimes see a blue flame lighting up the rear as they slow down for corner 1........that is it........all the time......

I would rather try and go a see a race in Malaysia or Thailand as it may be cheaper to fly there, not sure......

I am lucky enough to be going to Assen this year for the DutchGP...................sorry..........   
You hit the nail on the head.   It's probably the main reason why I'm hesitating.

I think some of the Spanish grandstands are much better   .. you convinced me to look at another track for my 1st gp

Sent from my SM-A500FU using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 06, 2018, 04:39:09 pm
Has anyone ever gone to Qatar to watch a GP race?

I think its on my bucket list so i found a travel agency that dows Moto GP tours, basically, flights, transfers, 4 star hotel, breakfast, tickets ( main grandstand ) comes to R22k, leaves 15 march come back on the 19th

Thats Per person Sharing, but Im assuming thats on the expensive side? anyone ever gone?
FM Boere and a few WDs went and saw the race in Spain last year,but before that they went and watched the TT.They all said they would pick the TT again any day over the Moto GP. The Isle of Man was much cheaper than I thought it would be.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 06, 2018, 04:40:28 pm
You hit the nail on the head.   It's probably the main reason why I'm hesitating.

I think some of the Spanish grandstands are much better   .. you convinced me to look at another track for my 1st gp

Sent from my SM-A500FU using Tapatalk

You will also have a lot more fun during your stay if you visit a race in Europe or Malaysia or Thailand...... Doha is boring as F**k.....

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2018, 08:15:23 pm
Mugello would be my choice.  Mainly because it is Rossi's home.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2018, 08:26:18 pm
Moto 2 and Moto 3 testing at Jerez again.  Their final pre-season testing.

Day 1:

Session 1: 
Brad 7th (1s off the leader), Steven 15th (1.8s off).  Leader Bagnaia, 2nd Marquez.
Darryn 10th (3,3 off) the leader Migno.

Session 2:
Brad 17th (1.1 off), Steven 15th (1 off).  Leader Bagnaia, 2nd Lecuona - who the heck is Lecuona?
Darryn 12th (1,6 off).  Leader Canet

Session 3:
So far no times for Brad or Steven. 
So far no time for Darryn.

Full results here:

http://www.motogp.com/en/TestResults/Moto3+Jerez+Test+2+2018
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 07, 2018, 10:43:00 am
I have the opportunity to go and watch the Assen race this year.....super stoked about it!

I have the option of Grandstand tickets in one of these stands, where should I go??

1. Ossebroeken Grandstand
2. Stekkenwal Grandstand
3. De Bult Grandstand

Help me choose please!  :biggrin:

No 1 , no question.. the view of the bikes and the riders taking those corners and boxing ot out.. brilliant stuff..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2018, 09:30:08 am
Jerez Moto2 and Moto3 testing:

Day 2:

Session 4: 
Brad 6th (0.4s off), Steven 21st (1.6s off).  Leader Lecuona, 2nd Bagnaia again who seems very consistent and already signed for a MotoGP ride next year.
Darryn:  No time due to rain. 

.Session 5:
Brad 3rd (0.2s off), Steven 20th (0.9s off).  Leader Sam Lowes.  2nd Lecuona.  In this session the 4 KTM's were 1, 2, 3 and 7.
Darryn: 22nd (2.1s off):  Fastest Martin with 2nd Bastianinni

Session 6:
Brad 5th (0,6s off), Steven 16th (1,0s off)  Fastest Bagnaia, 2nd Vierge.
Darryn:  25th (1.7 off).  Fastest Canet, 2nd Bastianinni.

Session 7:
Brad, no time set.  Steven 16th (4.6s off)  Leader is Marini (Rossi's half brother for those interested), 2nd Baldassari.
Darryn: No time set.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 09, 2018, 12:35:33 pm
Due to rain, Session 7, 8 and 9 were cancelled.

Moto 2:

On combined times over the 6 sessions that did take place, KTM's were 1, 2, 3 and 8.

1.  Sam Lowes, Swiss Innovative Investors KTM
2.  Iker Lecuona, Swiss Innovative Investors KTM
3.  Brad Binder, Red Bull KTM Ajo
8.  Miguel Oliviera, Red Bull KTM Ajo.

Seems the Katoompies are spoiling for a good fight for the podium.

Other teams that seem hot:

4.  Francesco Bagnaia, Italy Sky Racing VR46 Kalex
10.  Luca Marini, Italy Sky Racing VR46 Kalex
6.  Alex Marquez, EG 0.0 Marc VDS Kalex

Moto 3:

:Combined times.

26.  Darryn Binder, Red Bull KTM Ajo.  This is way worse than I had hoped and expected.  I am wondering of KTM is putting all their resources into the Moto GP and Moto 2 teams, leaving little for Moto 3.  After all, they have one Moto 3 many times already.

The normal suspects seem to be the ones to watch this year.

1.  Jorge Martin, Del Conca Gresini Honda
2,  Enia Bastianinni, Leaopard Racing Honda
3.  Aron Canet, Estrella Galicia 0.0 Honda
4.  Fabia de Giannantinoa, Del Conca Gresine Honda
5.  Marco Bezzecchi, PruestelGP KTM (The first on the list.  Perhaps to support my thoughts above, since the next KTM is Livio Loi at 10).

 


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2018, 09:29:38 pm
Eish!  Seven more day to go!  Bloody hell, this extended off season is crap!   :sip:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 15, 2018, 07:31:12 am
Is there WD SuperBru Pool like last year?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2018, 12:28:36 pm
Is there WD SuperBru Pool like last year?

Gryshond usually created, but in his absence, I did.

Just click here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=11826168

Pool name: Wild Dogs

Pool code: lossglim
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on March 15, 2018, 12:49:45 pm
Is there WD SuperBru Pool like last year?

Gryshond usually created, but in his absence, I did.

Just click here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=11826168

Pool name: Wild Dogs

Pool code: lossglim

Awesome, thanks! Just joined,   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on March 15, 2018, 09:56:42 pm
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 16, 2018, 08:54:59 am
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal

Great stuff.  With a bit of luck we can see our own Brad Binder, race against Rossi.  #41 against the 41 year old! 

This also leaves Zarco in a bit of a bind and he will hopefully move with Tech 3 to KTM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on March 16, 2018, 03:40:29 pm
Jeez ..... I wish I was 41 .................  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on March 16, 2018, 03:53:16 pm
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal

Good news - the old dog will keep the youngsters honest.More than the yam contract, VR 46 is a massive marketing magnet for the sport.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on March 16, 2018, 05:12:07 pm
Was lucky enough to stumble across something on Supersport last night called "The Binder Brothers" just after it started.

Both Brad and Darryn being interviewed by Leigh-Ann Paulick.

Sadly I cannot find a repeat of it, but it was hugely interesting.

Seems like both Binders have big plans this year.

Cannot wait for Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gryshond on March 17, 2018, 05:58:04 am
Is there WD SuperBru Pool like last year?

Gryshond usually created, but in his absence, I did.

Just click here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=11826168

Pool name: Wild Dogs

Pool code: lossglim

Awesome, thanks! Just joined,   :thumleft:

Sorry guys, I was messing about, I will join Bear's pool. Deleted mine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: peter stuyvesant on March 18, 2018, 02:55:10 pm
Who's the Simon dude that's commentating on the Moto GP this year? His voice is irrirating enough to put anyone off watching this season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on March 18, 2018, 04:16:20 pm
Who's the Simon dude that's commentating on the Moto GP this year? His voice is irrirating enough to put anyone off watching this season.

Shocker! Really bad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on March 18, 2018, 05:52:02 pm
Seriously that chap needs to go!

I can't bear 18 more rounds with that voice
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on March 18, 2018, 05:57:22 pm
Fok me it's Simon Crafar
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JFE on March 18, 2018, 06:04:20 pm
Pit reporter is worst I’ve ever heard on commentary.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on March 18, 2018, 06:45:15 pm
Cracker first race. Dovi sublime. Maverick had a good come back from so far down.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2018, 09:32:36 am
Is there WD SuperBru Pool like last year?

Gryshond usually created, but in his absence, I did.

Just click here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=11826168

Pool name: Wild Dogs

Pool code: lossglim

Awesome, thanks! Just joined,   :thumleft:

Yellow cap for you!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2018, 09:40:24 am
Moto3:

Darryn started 20th and fought up to 10th or so, before taken out by another rider, possibly Oetl.  Someho, now coverage of this in a first world country with first world TV.   :dousing:   
This class is wide open with the kamakazi kids impossible to predict.

Moto 2:

Steven started 2nd and finished 22nd.  Not a bad showing for a first race for him and his whole team.   
Brad started 13th and finished 6th.  If only he could qualify higher up, he would certainly be in the running for the championship.
Bagnaia and Marquez looks like pure poison, but the KTM's are right up there.

MotoGP:

Wow!  Looked like a Moto 3 race.  If the season continues like this we are in for a treat.  Dovi seems hell bent on becoming champion.  MM is hot as always and if he doesn't kill himself must be a favourite as well.  Get those Yamies to actually qualify and both VR and MV will also be a force to be reckonned with.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on March 19, 2018, 09:56:27 am
When our DSTV lost signal during the race due to the rain, I was very very tempted to subscribe to MotoGP's video pass right there and then. But,blixem, at almost R1900? Goeie aarde! And then it does not even include timing pass  :eek7:

Nee my donner these ous are milking it big time.

But I digress. The racing was bucking frilliant! Pity they did not show the Darren Binder crash, though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2018, 11:08:49 am
When our DSTV lost signal during the race due to the rain, I was very very tempted to subscribe to MotoGP's video pass right there and then. But,blixem, at almost R1900? Goeie aarde! And then it does not even include timing pass  :eek7:

Nee my donner these ous are milking it big time.

But I digress. The racing was bucking frilliant! Pity they did not show the Darren Binder crash, though.

R1900 for the whole year, so basically 18 races, with all FP, WUP and QP runs.  Not a bad price.

Janee.  We didn't see the crash.  Just young Darryn, very clearly indicating that someone was a wanker.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: fixit on March 19, 2018, 11:14:17 am
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal

The doc!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on March 19, 2018, 11:20:41 am
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal

The doc!
Ek wonder of sy stem teen daardie tyd al sou gebreek het  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2018, 11:24:28 am
Rossi signs with Yamaha till 2020 (he'll be 41 then).

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/891555/1/rossi-explains-new-yamaha-motogp-deal

The doc!
Ek wonder of sy stem teen daardie tyd al sou gebreek het  :lol8:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on March 19, 2018, 11:30:22 am
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on March 19, 2018, 11:35:33 am
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on March 19, 2018, 11:36:51 am
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?

10 jaar sonder titel...

:imaposer:
:lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2018, 11:50:57 am
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.

The man is a legend.  Forget about his own on-track experiences.  Let's look at just a few off-track in terms of his development of young riders.:

- Created VR46 Academy for young riders.
- WIthin three years, VR46 Academy rider, Franco Morbidelli won the Moto 2 championship (2017) and signed a ride in MotoGP (2018).  First race in MotoGP ever, he finished 12th and top rookie.
- 2017 VR46 rider Bagnaia, on a Sky VR46 team bike was 5th in the championship Morbidelli won.
- Sky VR46 Moto 3 team finished 5th (2014), 4th (2015), 7th (2016), 9th (2017) in Moto 3 Championship.
- Sky VR46 team will also contest MotoE from next year.
 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on March 19, 2018, 01:50:50 pm
Bag of mixed results for Saffers - but very good racing for a first out ! Dovi hot, MM smoking but wild as usual and VR 46 right up there  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on March 19, 2018, 01:57:31 pm
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.

The man is a legend.  Forget about his own on-track experiences.  Let's look at just a few off-track in terms of his development of young riders.:

- Created VR46 Academy for young riders.
- WIthin three years, VR46 Academy rider, Franco Morbidelli won the Moto 2 championship (2017) and signed a ride in MotoGP (2018).  First race in MotoGP ever, he finished 12th and top rookie.
- 2017 VR46 rider Bagnaia, on a Sky VR46 team bike was 5th in the championship Morbidelli won.
- Sky VR46 Moto 3 team finished 5th (2014), 4th (2015), 7th (2016), 9th (2017) in Moto 3 Championship.
- Sky VR46 team will also contest MotoE from next year.

Franki says Relax.... :biggrin:

Watch Zarco this year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on March 19, 2018, 02:30:27 pm
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.

The man is a legend.  Forget about his own on-track experiences.  Let's look at just a few off-track in terms of his development of young riders.:

- Created VR46 Academy for young riders.
- WIthin three years, VR46 Academy rider, Franco Morbidelli won the Moto 2 championship (2017) and signed a ride in MotoGP (2018).  First race in MotoGP ever, he finished 12th and top rookie.
- 2017 VR46 rider Bagnaia, on a Sky VR46 team bike was 5th in the championship Morbidelli won.
- Sky VR46 Moto 3 team finished 5th (2014), 4th (2015), 7th (2016), 9th (2017) in Moto 3 Championship.
- Sky VR46 team will also contest MotoE from next year.

Franki says Relax.... :biggrin:

Watch Zarco this year
Agreed!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JFE on March 19, 2018, 03:30:27 pm
Moto3:
.......... Someho, now coverage of this in a first world country with first world TV.   :dousing:...........
Don’t know who told you this, I live here, and you are terribly mistaken.
That aside the season looks promising for some good wheel to wheel racing.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on March 20, 2018, 12:32:41 pm
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.

The man is a legend.  Forget about his own on-track experiences.  Let's look at just a few off-track in terms of his development of young riders.:

- Created VR46 Academy for young riders.
- WIthin three years, VR46 Academy rider, Franco Morbidelli won the Moto 2 championship (2017) and signed a ride in MotoGP (2018).  First race in MotoGP ever, he finished 12th and top rookie.
- 2017 VR46 rider Bagnaia, on a Sky VR46 team bike was 5th in the championship Morbidelli won.
- Sky VR46 Moto 3 team finished 5th (2014), 4th (2015), 7th (2016), 9th (2017) in Moto 3 Championship.
- Sky VR46 team will also contest MotoE from next year.

 After Tech3 signed with KTM from next year and left Yamaha totally stranded , there is some indication that Rossi could be in line to inherit the role of running Yamaha's satellite team.

I don't understand the decision by Tech3 , they get the best support of any satellite team and have consistently got good results every year. This KTM gamble looks very dodgy to me from a distance.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 20, 2018, 01:01:41 pm
In all seriousness, he must be quite proud of his Moto2 team. Saw a doccie about the Monza rally earlier in the day too, which VR has won like 6 times or so too. This guy is simply a legend.

The man is a legend.  Forget about his own on-track experiences.  Let's look at just a few off-track in terms of his development of young riders.:

- Created VR46 Academy for young riders.
- WIthin three years, VR46 Academy rider, Franco Morbidelli won the Moto 2 championship (2017) and signed a ride in MotoGP (2018).  First race in MotoGP ever, he finished 12th and top rookie.
- 2017 VR46 rider Bagnaia, on a Sky VR46 team bike was 5th in the championship Morbidelli won.
- Sky VR46 Moto 3 team finished 5th (2014), 4th (2015), 7th (2016), 9th (2017) in Moto 3 Championship.
- Sky VR46 team will also contest MotoE from next year.

 After Tech3 signed with KTM from next year and left Yamaha totally stranded , there is some indication that Rossi could be in line to inherit the role of running Yamaha's satellite team.

I don't understand the decision by Tech3 , they get the best support of any satellite team and have consistently got good results every year. This KTM gamble looks very dodgy to me from a distance.

Rossi himself have stated that they will not enter MotoGP while he is still racing.  Apart from that Rossi cannot field a MotoGP team as the grid is full.  One of the other teams would have to partner with Rossi, or sell the team to Rossi.

KTM offered Tech 3 full factory spec factory bikes instead of one year old bikes as with the Yamaha deal, but it is about more than that.  Relationships are not what they should be as Tech 3 feels they are not in the Yamaha long terms strategy.  Yamaha also indicated to Tech 3 that, should Rossi enter a team in the future, that team would become the #1 Yamaha satellite team.   I think that p'd Tech 3 off no end and they decided to move while they had the opportunity.   They were not happy already, since they felt their top rider should move to the factory team when JL went, but Yamaha appointed Maverick V into the empty seat.

Anyway, Yamaha is not stranded.  There are at least two teams who are talking to Yamaha to take over the Yamahas and become the Yamaha satellite team .It is whispered that one team is Marc VDS, who currently fields customer Honda's, so becoming a satellite team would be a step up.  More importantly, they field Franco Morbidelli, a VR46 Academy Rider. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on March 20, 2018, 03:39:04 pm

Rossi himself have stated that they will not enter MotoGP while he is still racing.  Apart from that Rossi cannot field a MotoGP team as the grid is full.  One of the other teams would have to partner with Rossi, or sell the team to Rossi.

KTM offered Tech 3 full factory spec factory bikes instead of one year old bikes as with the Yamaha deal, but it is about more than that. Relationships are not what they should be as Tech 3 feels they are not in the Yamaha long terms strategy. Yamaha also indicated to Tech 3 that, should Rossi enter a team in the future, that team would become the #1 Yamaha satellite team.   I think that p'd Tech 3 off no end and they decided to move while they had the opportunity.   They were not happy already, since they felt their top rider should move to the factory team when JL went, but Yamaha appointed Maverick V into the empty seat.


Well I think you are speculating there, unless you can tell me you have some inside info.

From what Herve Poncharal is saying, it sounds like their sponsorship with Monster Energy is ending this year and might not be getting extended. I think this whole change to KTM is driven from the money side of things. If the KTM deal is coming with Redbull money then it's quite tempting for Herve to jump on the deal; you become a factory team and you get cash from Redbull ... quite hard to take your back on that when you don't know where your next sponsorship deal is coming from.

But we see what's happening with Suzuki. It's very hard to compete consistently with the likes of the big boys, with all the money and years of experience. Yes you can get a good race weekend here or there depending on weather conditions or if you get lucky with a tyre choice or something like that. But as a small new entry it's near impossible to really get to terms with Ducati, Yamaha and Honda.

KTM are obviously trying to get all that experience from Herve and his team from their many years of being in the championship, with some good success as a privateer team. The are hoping he can give them that bit extra they lack. I think KTM will stick around obviously because of the marketing benefit for Redbull, but as a real title or even podium contender , I don't see that happening on a consistent basis.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 21, 2018, 02:51:36 pm

Rossi himself have stated that they will not enter MotoGP while he is still racing.  Apart from that Rossi cannot field a MotoGP team as the grid is full.  One of the other teams would have to partner with Rossi, or sell the team to Rossi.

KTM offered Tech 3 full factory spec factory bikes instead of one year old bikes as with the Yamaha deal, but it is about more than that. Relationships are not what they should be as Tech 3 feels they are not in the Yamaha long terms strategy. Yamaha also indicated to Tech 3 that, should Rossi enter a team in the future, that team would become the #1 Yamaha satellite team.   I think that p'd Tech 3 off no end and they decided to move while they had the opportunity.   They were not happy already, since they felt their top rider should move to the factory team when JL went, but Yamaha appointed Maverick V into the empty seat.


Well I think you are speculating there, unless you can tell me you have some inside info.

From what Herve Poncharal is saying, it sounds like their sponsorship with Monster Energy is ending this year and might not be getting extended. I think this whole change to KTM is driven from the money side of things. If the KTM deal is coming with Redbull money then it's quite tempting for Herve to jump on the deal; you become a factory team and you get cash from Redbull ... quite hard to take your back on that when you don't know where your next sponsorship deal is coming from.

But we see what's happening with Suzuki. It's very hard to compete consistently with the likes of the big boys, with all the money and years of experience. Yes you can get a good race weekend here or there depending on weather conditions or if you get lucky with a tyre choice or something like that. But as a small new entry it's near impossible to really get to terms with Ducati, Yamaha and Honda.

KTM are obviously trying to get all that experience from Herve and his team from their many years of being in the championship, with some good success as a privateer team. The are hoping he can give them that bit extra they lack. I think KTM will stick around obviously because of the marketing benefit for Redbull, but as a real title or even podium contender , I don't see that happening on a consistent basis.

No, I am not speculating.  Everything I said is based on information I read about the saga, mostly stated by Herve Poncharal himself. 

The rest of what you said makes sense.  We can all look on over the next few years and see how it goes.  One thing that could change all of this is possible future rule changes to rein in the big three even more.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 21, 2018, 09:34:37 pm
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:

En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JFE on March 22, 2018, 05:39:34 am
En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.
Klink soos Ot Tanak se kommentaar na Sabastian Leob die maand die 1st keer in 6 jaar aan ‘n world rally deel geneem het en dag 2 voorgeloop het. Tanak se kommentaar was iets soos wat het hulle die laaste 6 jaar gedoen voel asof hulle geen vordering gemaak het.
Dink Rossi val ook in daai spesiale renjaar klas.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on March 22, 2018, 08:37:52 am
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:

En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.

Want daar was nog nie genoeg jare nie, hehehe
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 22, 2018, 12:18:54 pm
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:

En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.

Dan is daar ook 'n lang lys manne wat geen titels gewen het in hulle eerste 10 jaar nie en ook nie in die tweede 10 jaar nie en daar is nie 'n derde tien jaar nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 22, 2018, 08:35:38 pm
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:

En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.

Want daar was nog nie genoeg jare nie, hehehe

Wel, Marques kruip nader en kan wel vir Rossi onttroon, oorgenoeg talent daarvoor.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 23, 2018, 07:54:06 am
Hy gaan by dan seker al die groot 10 hê?




10 jaar sonder titel...


:imaposer:

En in daai 10 jaar kon nie een van die ander apies hom inhaal nie. Nog erger, sou ek se.

Want daar was nog nie genoeg jare nie, hehehe

Wel, Marques kruip nader en kan wel vir Rossi onttroon, oorgenoeg talent daarvoor.

Inderdaad!  Hy moet net minder val.  Elke val dra die risiko van ernstige beserings.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on March 25, 2018, 07:14:59 pm
Ek dink MM weet hoe om te val. Hys fearless, I like that
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Avontier on March 25, 2018, 11:02:43 pm
Sub. Kaartjies vir Brno en Spielberg in die pos! Kan nie wag nie  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on March 26, 2018, 10:06:44 am
Ek dink MM weet hoe om te val. Hys fearless, I like that

Dis waar wat jy sê, maar elke val dra 'n sekere hoeveelheid risiko wat kan versoorsaak dat hy verskeie renne deur die jaar mis.  Beide Darryn en Brad Binder sowel as Rossi en Marc se eie boetie was laasjaar voorbeelde hiervan.  Dit is die gelukkige manne.  Dan is daar die soos Simoncelli en Luis Salom wat nie so gelukkig was nie.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 06, 2018, 09:51:48 am
Roll on Argentina!

Sunday races:

Moto 3:  17:00
Moto 2:  18:20
MotoGP:  20:00

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: landieman on April 08, 2018, 07:07:20 am
lekker Jack Miller   :thumleft: :thumleft:,mooi kans gevat met die slicks
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 08, 2018, 11:37:38 am
lekker Jack Miller   :thumleft: :thumleft:,mooi kans gevat met die slicks

Janee!  Wilde kans wat uitstekend gewerk het.  Ek dink na daai rondte gaan sy spanmense 'n week lank skrop aan sy leathers! 

Jackass Miller as hy nie op sy bike is nie.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gingerball on April 08, 2018, 02:28:16 pm
Ideale weer her in Pmb om die race te kyk vandag - lekker bewolk en reenerig.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on April 08, 2018, 08:56:52 pm
WTF is MM's gameplan? Eliminate the opposition? Blixem he's a danger to everyone, they need to disq him. Reminds me of Montoya on F1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DirtRebell on April 08, 2018, 09:24:01 pm
What a race.
MMs red mist riding is bringing out the idiot in him, as good as he is.

Did he expect a hug & kiss from Vale in the pits?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 08, 2018, 09:28:13 pm
Whew! More drama than a soap opera!  ;D


MM seriously talented rider....with tunnel vision, maybe?  :patch:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: peter stuyvesant on April 08, 2018, 09:29:28 pm
Might be the best rider in the world but he's a arrogant prick. Bus won't agree.......... :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Africamike on April 08, 2018, 09:31:17 pm
What a crazy race.....feel for Rossi....Marquez like a taxi driver..what a palooka....would have like to see Zarco in the top step but good on Cal...

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 08, 2018, 09:38:48 pm
MM did ride like a d@@s, but his last move was not much different from the one where Johann took out Dani?  Hard on the inside with no room.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: peter stuyvesant on April 08, 2018, 09:42:28 pm
Twice in one race? What about Espagaro... Get out my way or i push you off the track because i'm MM. Just when i thought he was starting to mature.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on April 08, 2018, 09:48:46 pm
It was a harsh but can you recall Rossi's move on Gibenau on the last lap ? This is Moto GP, Without these MF's it would be boring.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gingerball on April 08, 2018, 10:11:08 pm
MM, what a tool.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on April 08, 2018, 10:35:54 pm
Had no sound streaming Super sport, anyone else had that?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on April 08, 2018, 10:36:59 pm
Crazy race and some odd decisions  by RD🤔
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Avontier on April 08, 2018, 11:07:09 pm
MM did ride like a d@@s, but his last move was not much different from the one where Johann took out Dani?  Hard on the inside with no room.

Agree. Zarco also deserved a penalty.

MM deserves exclusion from the next race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on April 09, 2018, 06:14:26 am
His penalty doesn't fit the crime and I think more will come of this. My opinion dock him 10 points and move on.

So only 2 races in and it's already turning into a classic.

Hats off to Cal. Been quick all weekend and the only oke to hold a candle to MM. Well played and leading the championship. Rins very good and Zarco his usual tenacity.. the future is looking bright. on on!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on April 09, 2018, 06:46:40 am
It was a harsh but can you recall Rossi's move on Gibenau on the last lap ? This is Moto GP, Without these MF's it would be boring.
I agree it would be boring. It certainly is exciting watching MM ride like a taxi driver.  :P

But to endanger the other rider's lives? :-\ That's not even in the spirit is the sport. He deserves a harsher punishment than a mere 30 seconds. >:D

Anyway, roll on americas! Let's see what MM is up to in a week!  :biggrin:

Well done to CC, and the rest. Nice open championship at this stage.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: bmad on April 09, 2018, 08:32:17 am
Was indeed an exciting race.  :thumleft:

Last year i watched a documentary on MM and i was beginning to think he might be nice bloke and worth supporting, not anymore, dick head  :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 09, 2018, 08:40:17 am
Seems Like Rossi forgets sticking his leg out and purposely pushing Marquez off the track. Maybe he should review that video. I agree Marquez was to aggressive but the intent was to plainly to overtake. Sorry Rossi finaly some has your number you managed to bully everyone except Stoner and now Marquez.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: weskus on April 09, 2018, 08:57:28 am
MM did ride like a d@@s, but his last move was not much different from the one where Johann took out Dani?  Hard on the inside with no room.

Agree. Zarco also deserved a penalty.

MM deserves exclusion from the next race.
I second that, talented or not, k@k style MM, just don't like the arrogance of C, AND I like the Suzbox on the podium with rookie Rins..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on April 09, 2018, 08:58:26 am
Seems Like Rossi forgets sticking his leg out and purposely pushing Marquez off the track. Maybe he should review that video. I agree Marquez was to aggressive but the intent was to plainly to overtake. Sorry Rossi finaly some has your number you managed to bully everyone except Stoner and now Marquez.
Wasn't that after MM bumped him first?  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 09, 2018, 09:08:36 am
Guess we are asking for consistency?  Most dangerous move was Johann high siding Dani?  MM's were also over the top.  consistency??
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: cocky on April 09, 2018, 09:26:43 am
Seems Like Rossi forgets sticking his leg out and purposely pushing Marquez off the track. Maybe he should review that video. I agree Marquez was to aggressive but the intent was to plainly to overtake. Sorry Rossi finaly some has your number you managed to bully everyone except Stoner and now Marquez.
Tad blinded there much, MM did it 6 times over the course of the weekend to different riders. He was spoken to in free practice on Friday for his aggressive riding. What he did was uncalled for, he was a second faster than Rossi and the field, diving up the inside was not necessary.
He is Spanish and as always will get away with a slap on the wrist, he needs to relax and use his great talent, not ride like it's WRX
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 09, 2018, 10:32:12 am
At the start, under green flag, MM stalled.  The rule is vacate grid immediately.  He didn't as he push started his bike.  Then he rode contra flow.  He also ignored orders by race officials to vacate the track.  Two of the three rules he broke normally carries a black flag.  He wasn't black flagged.

Then, even before he made contact with Espargaro, he dive bombed a group of three riders.  Then he did his thing with Espargaro.  Then with VR.  How he was not black flagged, I don't know, but that is history.  No points for him, or Rossi.

MM is a great rider, if he is in control of the red mist and he has had that under control for some time, but yesterday, he completely lost it.   



Seems Like Rossi forgets sticking his leg out and purposely pushing Marquez off the track. Maybe he should review that video. I agree Marquez was to aggressive but the intent was to plainly to overtake. Sorry Rossi finaly some has your number you managed to bully everyone except Stoner and now Marquez.
Wasn't that after MM bumped him first?  :pot:

Some people did not see the footage from the CCTV cameras at the track that day and still believe on what they saw on DSTV, or read about on the internet.   Telemetry clearly shows, so Honda stated, that "something" jammed on MM's front brake and caused the crash.  Only one thing could do that.  MM's right hand.



He is Spanish and as always will get away with a slap on the wrist, he needs to relax and use his great talent, not ride like it's WRX

Sad, but true.  During FP's Aaron Canet purposefully took out another rider in a vengeance attack.  It was clear as day.  Race direction declared it a racing incident, no penalty.  Canet, Spanish.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 09, 2018, 10:49:43 am
I agree MM lost it at the start he should have carried on going and delayed the race again while he went round to restart in the Pit lane. He could have actually won the race if he kept his head he was that fast.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on April 09, 2018, 11:04:45 am
Great race with huge issues - lekker dice between the podium boys : CC rode hard, but remains a toss ( for me ), Zarco raced to his talent and the last has not been seen of Rins.MM.......well, he is by far the fastest on the current circuit......but is also fast becoming the most destructive racer around  >:(  That ou  ( and the powers ) need to seriousely bring him into line, or else he is going to kill himself and / or others very soon. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JohnB on April 09, 2018, 11:07:43 am
So yesterday was the 2nd time that I actually watched a full race, ever. I liked what I saw, but understood little.

Why did Miller get the "gap start" for lack of a better description?

Pity about the Binder Bro`s spills..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 09, 2018, 11:32:07 am
He got the gap because all the other riders cleared the grid to change tyres as the track was drying fast when they were not allowed to as the grid was now set. He was the only one who stayed on the grid so was not penalised.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 09, 2018, 11:35:38 am
So yesterday was the 2nd time that I actually watched a full race, ever. I liked what I saw, but understood little.

Why did Miller get the "gap start" for lack of a better description?

Pity about the Binder Bro`s spills..

According to the rules, if you leave the grid after it was set, you must start from the pit lane, or if in time at the back of the grid.  23 bikes starting from the pit lane,would be chaos and dangerous and impossible to all start at the back of the grid, so they reset the grid, some distance behind where it would normally be. 

This resetting of the grid is a new rule that was made after exactly the chaos and danger I mentioned during a GP in 2015 on Sachsenring. 

Huge pity about the Binder spills.  Sadly, it is a bit of a regular occurrence for Darryn, but a very uncharacteristic mistake by Brad.  Steven Odendaal ran his first top 20, which was nice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on April 09, 2018, 12:26:12 pm
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 09, 2018, 01:49:37 pm
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.

"mobile chicane"......... :imaposer: :imaposer:

What I would dearly have loved to see is a Rossi and MM duel, both at the same age. So unfair that a remarkable talent like MM only meets Rossi when the latter is a bit over the wall.

I think that other riders must simply fit rearview mirrors, so they can move over in time when they see Marques approaching. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: cocky on April 09, 2018, 01:55:29 pm
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.
Rich coming from you, but then you are a MM fanbitch ---- the point you keep missing is he bumped 6 different over the course of the weekend, starting on Friday in FP1. He should have been black flagged, not because he is a Spanish knobb ( unlike George, he is a Spanish dokeypoes ) BUT because his grid antics broke all the rules, ignored an official and then it all went downhill from there.
BUT then being a MM fanbitch you will blame every rider on the track, starting with Rossi, lame and tired.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on April 09, 2018, 02:07:15 pm
Like I said, I enjoyed the actual race more than buying into all the Days of our Lives bullshit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: gmac on April 09, 2018, 02:23:38 pm
The race was epic.

Marquez rides over his head (when it comes to passing) all the time and he needs to reign it in - wether you are a fan or not he does it too often and it’s unsafe.

Racing is racing but there are still parameters that you have to work in


Maybe they need a dakar style sentinel to warn when he is on the charge

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on April 09, 2018, 03:12:46 pm
Part of the eloquence of a proper champ is in how he treats his opponents.

Yes you can get in front by tripping the guy in front of you, but...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 09, 2018, 04:38:19 pm
Marc Marques will reign himself in through injury, it is quite unlikely that he'll get away with this sort of hooliganism for too long.

I must admit, grudgingly, that there is something very exotic about MM, a guy who will throw everything into the works to try and win.

Isn't gentle circulation around a course in a neat group just a tad close to golf? :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Crop Sprang on April 09, 2018, 04:50:47 pm
Marc Marques will reign himself in through injury, it is quite unlikely that he'll get away with this sort of hooliganism for too long.

I must admit, grudgingly, that there is something very exotic about MM, a guy who will throw everything into the works to try and win.

Isn't gentle circulation around a course in a neat group just a tad close to golf? :pot: :peepwall:

Or F1 ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on April 09, 2018, 05:12:41 pm
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.
Rich coming from you, but then you are a MM fanbitch ---- the point you keep missing is he bumped 6 different over the course of the weekend, starting on Friday in FP1. He should have been black flagged, not because he is a Spanish knobb ( unlike George, he is a Spanish dokeypoes ) BUT because his grid antics broke all the rules, ignored an official and then it all went downhill from there.
BUT then being a MM fanbitch you will blame every rider on the track, starting with Rossi, lame and tired.

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

MM rode like a douche and he must start at the back of the pack at the next race.  6 different riders over one weekend FFS!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: HeeBs on April 09, 2018, 05:42:53 pm
I'm not a fanboy of any rider, I just enjoy a good race! MM is super talented but FFS he needs a PK for his antics this weekend. You're gonna get someone hurt carrying on like that !!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: punisher on April 09, 2018, 06:31:13 pm
great racing , but far too many " illegal" moves , started by race direction , the grid should not have been allowed to "reset" they should have started with their choice of tyres , and then came in for a tyre change after the race had started . thats racing ... making choices BEFORE the official grid line up . MM should have been disqualified at the start for ignoring marshal instruction to return to pits , and then riding AGAINST the race direction after grid set up .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobC on April 09, 2018, 09:31:18 pm
I'm not a fanboy of any rider, I just enjoy a good race! MM is super talented but FFS he needs a PK for his antics this weekend. You're gonna get someone hurt carrying on like that !!
He is a tad suicidal it seems... quite safe if he leads but if he has to start from anywhere less than the first row he is like a bull in a china shop.
Quite frankly his number is comming up soon, I just hope he does not kill a fellow participant. :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DirtRebell on April 09, 2018, 09:54:11 pm
:laughing4:

Spot on, as always.

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/his-crazy-finger-crossing-father-will-be-neutered-beaten-and-left-to-wander-the-streets-of-madrid-yelling-at-garbage-bins-and-tourists/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobC on April 09, 2018, 10:40:09 pm
:laughing4:

Spot on, as always.

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/his-crazy-finger-crossing-father-will-be-neutered-beaten-and-left-to-wander-the-streets-of-madrid-yelling-at-garbage-bins-and-tourists/
:laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: SteveD on April 10, 2018, 02:46:26 am
VR bitching about MMs attitude in coming to apologize, with team mates and cameras in tow, is a bit hypocritical. I recall VR taking out Casey Stoner a few years ago. Very similar incident, actually. VR appeared to misjudge a pass, and the result was that he ended Stoner's race, but carried on with no consequence. After the race VR arrived, with cameramen in tow, to apologize for the error. Stoner was NOT amused, and said so.
Seems like this incident was very similar, except VR was on the receiving end.

I still think MM should have been black-flagged, at the start, then after the first incident again, and the second, and the one after that.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2018, 07:08:45 am
:laughing4:

Spot on, as always.

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/his-crazy-finger-crossing-father-will-be-neutered-beaten-and-left-to-wander-the-streets-of-madrid-yelling-at-garbage-bins-and-tourists/


"The pace car has more points than you" :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 10, 2018, 08:46:53 am
What I love about this is how Rossi and his fans conveniently forget what an arrogant bully Rossi was when he was MMs age he was also fearless example his comment after he pushed Giberneau off the track was something to the effect (now he will not challenge me for a world championship again) both riding Hondas at the time. He made sure people were scared of him. He is a great rider still to this day but that fearless edge that comes with youth does go as you get older. MM just needs to calm down a bit but cannot afford to lose that Edge the other riders must Know if you are going to challenge him beware the same Tactic Rossi used. Max Biaggi used to bleat about Rossi like Rossi is bleatimg about MM. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on April 10, 2018, 10:15:05 am
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.
Rich coming from you, but then you are a MM fanbitch ---- the point you keep missing is he bumped 6 different over the course of the weekend, starting on Friday in FP1. He should have been black flagged, not because he is a Spanish knobb ( unlike George, he is a Spanish dokeypoes ) BUT because his grid antics broke all the rules, ignored an official and then it all went downhill from there.
BUT then being a MM fanbitch you will blame every rider on the track, starting with Rossi, lame and tired.

By this emotional outburst, I assume you are a Rossi supporter?


Interesting about the grid setup, I think it can be challenged.  Everyone was suppose to start from the pits, except Miller. They decided it was to dangerous, They had to start from on track and they basically went to a handicapped system. Is this now the new official grid? What determined the starting order? BTW, no one could get killed, since the red flag was still up.

WTF blamed Rossi?

Who are the six he bumped?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 10:30:03 am
What I love about this is how Rossi and his fans conveniently forget what an arrogant bully Rossi was when he was MMs age he was also fearless example his comment after he pushed Giberneau off the track was something to the effect (now he will not challenge me for a world championship again) both riding Hondas at the time. He made sure people were scared of him. He is a great rider still to this day but that fearless edge that comes with youth does go as you get older. MM just needs to calm down a bit but cannot afford to lose that Edge the other riders must Know if you are going to challenge him beware the same Tactic Rossi used. Max Biaggi used to bleat about Rossi like Rossi is bleatimg about MM.

Well no, we remember.  We are wondering why stories 13 years old is important though.  Did nobody, but Rossi learn anything in the 13 years?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 10:32:32 am
Interesting about the grid setup, I think it can be challenged.  Everyone was suppose to start from the pits, except Miller. They decided it was to dangerous, They had to start from on track and they basically went to a handicapped system. Is this now the new official grid? What determined the starting order? BTW, no one could get killed, since the red flag was still up.


No, the grid issue was correct.  After the chaos in 2015 at Sachsenring, the rules were adapted to how they handled it on Sunday. 

The grid remained the same, except that it was moved four rows back.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 10:36:05 am
It was a harsh but can you recall Rossi's move on Gibenau on the last lap ? This is Moto GP, Without these MF's it would be boring.
I agree it would be boring. It certainly is exciting watching MM ride like a taxi driver.  :P

But to endanger the other rider's lives? :-\ That's not even in the spirit is the sport. He deserves a harsher punishment than a mere 30 seconds. >:D

Anyway, roll on americas! Let's see what MM is up to in a week!  :biggrin:

Well done to CC, and the rest. Nice open championship at this stage.

Bumping into someone at 80km/h where he basically dropped the bike is wet grass is hardly putting riders lives at risk

You would swear its a soccer game. Rossi fans have become nothing more than wet blankets.. If Marquez is coming up behind you 0.3, 0.4, 0.6 seconds a lap quicker then move out the way sunshine... world champ is coming through.

Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike, these okes are the best in the world, and the best in the world know how to ride and race, Booth Rossi and MM know how to win championships, Rossi knew MM was coming up and coming up fast.. Yes he had the line and I don't agree with how MM tried to find a space but im not a world champ, he is.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 10:43:59 am
The race itself was incredible!!! So happy for the guys on the podium. I was wishing they could all win.

The incident with Rossi is being blown out of proportion because of all the kak & drama from the past.

Rossi DID leave a very slight gap, and he was on some more damp tarmac. Marquez took the chance at the gap (All racers do that.) and it went pear shaped.

But I agree, he should rather have waited and passed the mobile chicane a little later.

All the theatrics and kak in the press is, is exactly just that. Kak, drama & hype to get the fanboys at each others' throats.
Rich coming from you, but then you are a MM fanbitch ---- the point you keep missing is he bumped 6 different over the course of the weekend, starting on Friday in FP1.

2 points 1) nobody knew about MM bumping okes on the weekend until the crybaby Rossi mentioned it in the interview

2.. did Rossi complain about MM during practise? did anyone? was any action taken? was he warned?

no, why? because its called racing and thats what happens.. I bet you that it will all get reviewed and nothing will happen because its deemed to be within the parameters of racing.

If i'm wrong then MM will be banned from the next race. Not that it matters, he will still win the championship
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 10:55:28 am
Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike,

Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.


If i'm wrong then MM will be banned from the next race. Not that it matters, he will still win the championship

MotoGP rules do not actually make provision for a race ban.  At worst he could be forced to start from the back of the grid, but that is unlikely as he already received and served the penalty.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 10:59:01 am
I'm not a fanboy of any rider, I just enjoy a good race! MM is super talented but FFS he needs a PK for his antics this weekend. You're gonna get someone hurt carrying on like that !!
He is a tad suicidal it seems... quite safe if he leads but if he has to start from anywhere less than the first row he is like a bull in a china shop.
Quite frankly his number is comming up soon, I just hope he does not kill a fellow participant. :sip:

Bugger me, when did you grow a mangina. Kill a participant..  :imaposer: :imaposer:

If it was dangerous he would have seen a black flag.

Its like a school kid tripping another schoolkid on the playground and now the dad wants to sue for attempted murder.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 11:00:24 am
Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike,

Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.



I know.. but Rossi may kill a participant if he carries on like that :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 11:04:07 am

I know.. but Rossi may kill a participant if he carries on like that :sip:

Ja.  True.  He may well, but this past weekend MM was the demon and he is the one being discussed.   :sip: :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 10, 2018, 11:21:50 am
Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike,

Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.


If i'm wrong then MM will be banned from the next race. Not that it matters, he will still win the championship

MotoGP rules do not actually make provision for a race ban.  At worst he could be forced to start from the back of the grid, but that is unlikely as he already received and served the penalty.

correction - 3 penalties in one race

Why did Zarco not receive a penalty when causing Dani to high side?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 11:30:38 am
Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike,

Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.


If i'm wrong then MM will be banned from the next race. Not that it matters, he will still win the championship

MotoGP rules do not actually make provision for a race ban.  At worst he could be forced to start from the back of the grid, but that is unlikely as he already received and served the penalty.

correction - 3 penalties in one race

Why did Zarco not receive a penalty when causing Dani to high side?

I know he received three penalties Kilroy.  Only one of them could carry a DQ though.  For that he was already penalized and he served that penalty.

My guess.  Zarco and Dani were travelling at similar speeds.  Dani did leave a small gap and at the turn, Zarco's front wheel was ahead.
All Zarco caused was for Dani to sit up.  Dani caused the high side all by himself.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on April 10, 2018, 11:52:28 am
My guess.  Zarco and Dani were travelling at similar speeds.  Dani did leave a small gap and at the turn, Zarco's front wheel was ahead.
All Zarco caused was for Dani to sit up.  Dani caused the high side all by himself.
I watched that a few times and one particular angle looks like they had clear space (no contact) between them. Pity, I often think Pedrosa deserves a bit more than he gets.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 11:55:16 am
My guess.  Zarco and Dani were travelling at similar speeds.  Dani did leave a small gap and at the turn, Zarco's front wheel was ahead.
All Zarco caused was for Dani to sit up.  Dani caused the high side all by himself.
I watched that a few times and one particular angle looks like they had clear space (no contact) between them. Pity, I often think Pedrosa deserves a bit more than he gets.

Ja.  I feel for Dani.  He is a way better rider than what the results indicate.

I woul dbe surprised if there was contact.  Zarco made a dive, Dani sat up.  Just a block pass as we regularly see.  When Dani wound on the power, he was on a wet patch and high sided.  Very unfortunate.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 01:43:07 pm
My guess.  Zarco and Dani were travelling at similar speeds.  Dani did leave a small gap and at the turn, Zarco's front wheel was ahead.
All Zarco caused was for Dani to sit up.  Dani caused the high side all by himself.
I watched that a few times and one particular angle looks like they had clear space (no contact) between them. Pity, I often think Pedrosa deserves a bit more than he gets.

Ja.  I feel for Dani.  He is a way better rider than what the results indicate.


What are you talking about, Pedrosa holds the record for the most amount of podium wins.. I would say the results do speak for themselves. The only thing is that recently, over the last 2 years he has been showing signs of chilling a bit.. I think Pedrosa will be replaced every year but there he is signing contracts again.

Everyone complains about Rossi barging other riders or MM taking chances but if we didnt have riders like them it would be 22 laps of follow the leader
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on April 10, 2018, 01:45:48 pm
Pedrosa is the golden boy of Repsol, hence the signing of contracts ....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 10, 2018, 01:51:04 pm
I know , and as a fanatic Repsol Honda fan I appreciate all that he has done for the team, to be fair he rides well and he is a team player, but there was a day where it was Repsol 1 and 2 .. now its almost predicted that Pedrosa will be mid field with Rossi  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on April 10, 2018, 02:00:01 pm
I know , and as a fanatic Repsol Honda fan I appreciate all that he has done for the team, to be fair he rides well and he is a team player, but there was a day where it was Repsol 1 and 2 .. now its almost predicted that Pedrosa will be mid field with Rossi  :peepwall:


True story Muzzy!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2018, 02:07:36 pm
My guess.  Zarco and Dani were travelling at similar speeds.  Dani did leave a small gap and at the turn, Zarco's front wheel was ahead.
All Zarco caused was for Dani to sit up.  Dani caused the high side all by himself.
I watched that a few times and one particular angle looks like they had clear space (no contact) between them. Pity, I often think Pedrosa deserves a bit more than he gets.

Ja.  I feel for Dani.  He is a way better rider than what the results indicate.


What are you talking about, Pedrosa holds the record for the most amount of podium wins.. I would say the results do speak for themselves. The only thing is that recently, over the last 2 years he has been showing signs of chilling a bit.. I think Pedrosa will be replaced every year but there he is signing contracts again.

Eish!  I basically agree with you and still get k@kked upon!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 10, 2018, 03:42:50 pm
Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.


This is Strange as Rossi in his hearing said his foot slipped of the peg. While he openly admitted that he forced Marquez of the track as he believed MM was purposely try to hold him back from Lonrenzo. Funny how the only time his foot slipped off the peg at the same time as he was trying to run Marquez wide. I wonder how many times his foot slips off the peg. Also the pictures seem to show different. I used to be a huge Rossi fan but this to me was hugely disappointing and it dos not wash with me.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Ruan 87 on April 10, 2018, 03:52:10 pm
This might save lives
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on April 10, 2018, 03:57:36 pm
This might save lives

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on April 10, 2018, 04:38:01 pm
If Marquez is coming up behind you 0.3, 0.4, 0.6 seconds a lap quicker then move out the way sunshine... world champ is coming through.

Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike, these okes are the best in the world, and the best in the world know how to ride and race, Booth Rossi and MM know how to win championships, Rossi knew MM was coming up and coming up fast.. Yes he had the line and I don't agree with how MM tried to find a space but im not a world champ, he is.

Sorry but you have that all wrong.  They were fighting for the position, no-one was being lapped and no blue flags were shown.  It is the job of the rider behind to safely overtake the rider in front.  And this is regardless of who overtakes who, world champion or rookie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on April 10, 2018, 05:54:35 pm
Mat Oxley wrote a nice (and balanced) article about this weekend's race.  https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/maradona-driving-hot-hatch
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OomD on April 10, 2018, 08:06:47 pm
It was a harsh but can you recall Rossi's move on Gibenau on the last lap ? This is Moto GP, Without these MF's it would be boring.
I agree it would be boring. It certainly is exciting watching MM ride like a taxi driver.  :P

But to endanger the other rider's lives? :-\ That's not even in the spirit is the sport. He deserves a harsher punishment than a mere 30 seconds. >:D

Anyway, roll on americas! Let's see what MM is up to in a week!  :biggrin:

Well done to CC, and the rest. Nice open championship at this stage.

Bumping into someone at 80km/h where he basically dropped the bike is wet grass is hardly putting riders lives at risk

You would swear its a soccer game. Rossi fans have become nothing more than wet blankets.. If Marquez is coming up behind you 0.3, 0.4, 0.6 seconds a lap quicker then move out the way sunshine... world champ is coming through.

Before you get all figity, think about how Rossi kicked MM off his bike, these okes are the best in the world, and the best in the world know how to ride and race, Booth Rossi and MM know how to win championships, Rossi knew MM was coming up and coming up fast.. Yes he had the line and I don't agree with how MM tried to find a space but im not a world champ, he is.

Move out of the way, yes... if you are being lapped. Otherwise the rider in front has right of way, imo.

I don't believe Rossi (or any of the other riders) were being lapped?

You really believe the front rider must make way and let his opponent pass?  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on April 10, 2018, 08:23:49 pm
Mat Oxley wrote a nice (and balanced) article about this weekend's race.  https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/maradona-driving-hot-hatch

Good article, thanks - except Oxley's British blouse shines bright with his praises of Crutchlow  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 10, 2018, 08:49:38 pm
MM and his tjommie jorge must be two off the biggest arseholes in the motogp camp.
But there is no denying the immense talent of no 93.
Oh and VR is there nowadays for promoting the sport and bringing in fans.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2018, 08:56:48 pm
Mat Oxley wrote a nice (and balanced) article about this weekend's race.  https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/maradona-driving-hot-hatch

Good article, thanks - except Oxley's British blouse shines bright with his praises of Crutchlow  ;)


Interesting, and glorious for Honda, to read that Crutchlow's victory was Honda's 750th GP victory to date.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 09:40:42 am
Proven beyond doubt that Rossi did not lkick MM off his bike.  Even if you do not want to believe Dorna and Honda's own telemetry, Google Newton's Laws on Physics.


This is Strange as Rossi in his hearing said his foot slipped of the peg. While he openly admitted that he forced Marquez of the track as he believed MM was purposely try to hold him back from Lonrenzo. Funny how the only time his foot slipped off the peg at the same time as he was trying to run Marquez wide. I wonder how many times his foot slips off the peg. Also the pictures seem to show different. I used to be a huge Rossi fan but this to me was hugely disappointing and it dos not wash with me.

You should do some research on this before being disappointed to the level you mention. 

Go have a look at the footage we did not see on DSTV, like track CCTV footage from other angles.  It clearly shows MM lifting his bike and then diving back into Rossi.  Rossi then shoved him off with the knee. 

See if you can still find the reports from Honda's own 93 bike telemetry showing MM crashed because "Someone slammed on the front brakes"..  Before blaming this on Rossi's non-existent kick, remember that these bikes are all fitted with lever protectors.

Take into consideration the governing body found that Rossi did not kick MM.  That was settled years ago and I am surprised there are still people who believe that Rossi kicked MM off his bike.  Rossi was found guilty of irresponsible riding, not reckless or even dangerous riding.

Take a look at Newton's Laws on Physics.  It will help you understand that one rider cannot kick another off his bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Dwerg on April 11, 2018, 10:05:26 am
Rossi can't complain too much. He pulled the same moves on plenty riders back in his younger days. Just ask Casey Stoner
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on April 11, 2018, 10:09:19 am
Typical bully syndrome.

Dishing it out is fun.

Until the tables are turned.

Then cry foul

Tsek

:thebirdman:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 11:01:21 am
Rossi can't complain too much. He pulled the same moves on plenty riders back in his younger days. Just ask Casey Stoner

While I agree that Rossi also pulled a few maniacle moves, I wonder why the Stoner incident is used as an example.  Rossi made a clear and clean pass, then crashed and as often happens when the inside rider crash, he takes the outside rider along.  Brave?  Yes.  A tad stupid?  Yes.  However, nothing compared to diving into a non-existent gap and riding the person on the racing line, off that line.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Dwerg on April 11, 2018, 11:27:02 am
While I agree that Rossi also pulled a few maniacle moves, I wonder why the Stoner incident is used as an example.  Rossi made a clear and clean pass, then crashed and as often happens when the inside rider crash, he takes the outside rider along.  Brave?  Yes.  A tad stupid?  Yes.  However, nothing compared to diving into a non-existent gap and riding the person on the racing line, off that line.

I am not talking about a specific incident per se. Just pointing out that there were plenty of similar complaints when he was a youngster
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 11:34:57 am
While I agree that Rossi also pulled a few maniacle moves, I wonder why the Stoner incident is used as an example.  Rossi made a clear and clean pass, then crashed and as often happens when the inside rider crash, he takes the outside rider along.  Brave?  Yes.  A tad stupid?  Yes.  However, nothing compared to diving into a non-existent gap and riding the person on the racing line, off that line.

I am not talking about a specific incident per se. Just pointing out that there were plenty of similar complaints when he was a youngster

Apologies.  Your reference to Casey Stoner led me to believe you considered that particular incident as an example.  No hassle.

Like I said, Rossi was no angel back in the day, but I think he was a more calculated risk taker than MM.  It seems MM still struggles a bit with the red mist, more so than Rossi back then.  Of course, I have no science to base that on, just my opinion. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Dwerg on April 11, 2018, 11:44:47 am
You don't have to look far to find footage of Stoner pissing about Rossi but this is actually the incident that sparked my memory. Watch from 3:50 or so.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 11:54:39 am
I believe Stoner will whinge and blame Rossi, if his morning coffee is cold.

The Gibernau / Rossi corner at Jerez is a well known piece of footage showing how VR was an a-hole back in the day.   I believe they even came to blows after the race.




Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 11, 2018, 01:31:28 pm
In all of this I feel very sorry for my Man Crux

Im a  massive MM, Dovi and Crux fan, now I can throw Zarco in there as well, that boy is killing it.

But you have to feel sorry for Crux, literally no press were interested in him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 02:02:41 pm
In all of this I feel very sorry for my Man Crux

Im a  massive MM, Dovi and Crux fan, now I can throw Zarco in there as well, that boy is killing it.

But you have to feel sorry for Crux, literally no press were interested in him.

Janee!  He chose a truly k@k day to win a race, but Crutchlow is the Chuck Norris of MGP.  He will survive.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 11, 2018, 02:08:08 pm
I watched the race again, and I am beginning to think that young Marc is actually having eyesight problems.

MM left his spectacles on Jorge's bedside table. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on April 11, 2018, 02:20:53 pm
I watched the race again, and I am beginning to think that young Marc is actually having eyesight problems.

MM left his spectacles on Jorge's bedside table. :pot:
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2018, 02:48:57 pm
I watched the race again, and I am beginning to think that young Marc is actually having eyesight problems.

MM left his spectacles on Jorge's bedside table. :pot:

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on April 11, 2018, 04:04:40 pm
I think what everyone is upset about is, yes other riders have done this here and there in the past but MM started doing it on Friday in the practice session and continued doing it throughout the entire weekend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 11, 2018, 04:52:32 pm
I would like to know what Honda corporate image is saying about this pirate racing on one of their bikes? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 11, 2018, 05:04:42 pm
I think what everyone is upset about is, yes other riders have done this here and there in the past but MM started doing it on Friday in the practice session and continued doing it throughout the entire weekend.

1st.. this was only bought to our attention when Rossi mentioned it on TV.. i watched the practice and i didnt see anything, now everyone who saw the interview is throwing this up like its something they always knew.

2nd.. if he was doing it in the practice session why was there no complaint? not one, not from the management of other teams, not from the pit lane, not from any ither rider.. not one single concern was raised about his riding or improper passes

explain?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on April 11, 2018, 05:27:43 pm
I think what everyone is upset about is...........
Just passing conversational thought on why everyone is up in arms.

explain?
I don't support either rider passionately enough so I don't really care either way.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on April 11, 2018, 05:47:53 pm
I would like to know what Honda corporate image is saying about this pirate racing on one of their bikes? :pot:

They just refer VR to one of their earlier advertisements.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 11, 2018, 09:03:20 pm
I would like to know what Honda corporate image is saying about this pirate racing on one of their bikes? :pot:

They say that MM on the Honda was nearly 2sec faster than the field.  I always thought that is what counts?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 11, 2018, 09:07:12 pm
Was a great race, but now its all about Rossi, a pedestrian sitting in a lucky 6 place.

He must just gracelessly retire - farking please.  He is stopping true talent like Zarco from helping Yamaha to the greatness a strong brand like they deserves

Farking plse dude, your are nearly forty...ffs move on
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on April 11, 2018, 09:14:55 pm
I would like to know what Honda corporate image is saying about this pirate racing on one of their bikes? :pot:

They say that MM on the Honda was nearly 2sec faster than the field.  I always thought that is what counts?
Was that after the Penalty in clean Air?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Antonie on April 11, 2018, 09:44:22 pm
Entertaining race nonetheless. Zarco is a moerse exciting rider, would also like to see him on a factory Yamaha! http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4)

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: peter stuyvesant on April 11, 2018, 10:17:21 pm
Was a great race, but now its all about Rossi, a pedestrian sitting in a lucky 6 place.

He must just gracelessly retire - farking please.  He is stopping true talent like Zarco from helping Yamaha to the greatness a strong brand like they deserves

Farking plse dude, your are nearly forty...ffs move on

Might be nearly 40 but still rides circles around 3/4 of the field & the entertainment value between him and MM is priceless  :pot:
Wait for the reaction when his royal highness MM gets on the podium when the circus arrives in Italy
I'm like a Zuma loyalist, Vale can do no wrong in my eyes   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 12, 2018, 06:21:03 am
Entertaining race nonetheless. Zarco is a moerse exciting rider, would also like to see him on a factory Yamaha! http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4)

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Unfortunately, we won't see him on a factory Yamaha anytime soon.  Perhaps on the same Yamaha he is riding now, but in another team.  More possibly on a factory Honda.  That I would love to see.  Zarco and MM, on Repsol Hondas on the same track.  If I was Zarco and the Reposol Honda opportunity came, I would sign faster than KilRoy can say: "Rossi se gat".   There may well be a Ducati factory ride available, but Zarco would be stupid to go there!

Was a great race, but now its all about Rossi, a pedestrian sitting in a lucky 6 place.

He must just gracelessly retire - farking please.  He is stopping true talent like Zarco from helping Yamaha to the greatness a strong brand like they deserves

Farking plse dude, your are nearly forty...ffs move on

6th in a MGP race is not at all that bad, especially not on the pedestrian piece of shite Yamaha is trying to get to "greatness" with.  You do remember he was a slightly less pedestrian 3rd a few weeks ago?  That done on said piece of shite with Yamaha badges.

I would like to know what Honda corporate image is saying about this pirate racing on one of their bikes? :pot:

They say that MM on the Honda was nearly 2sec faster than the field.  I always thought that is what counts?

What counts is where you finish the race.  18th doesn't cut it much.  Anyway, MM's fastest lap was 0,4s faster than Crutchlow's fastest lap.  You'd have to go to 21st place to find someone 2s slower.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 12, 2018, 01:14:49 pm
Entertaining race nonetheless. Zarco is a moerse exciting rider, would also like to see him on a factory Yamaha! http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5ace65c2e2918/VID-20180411-WA0019.mp4)

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No no.. Rossi just signed 2 more years, you stuck with him now.. Let him take Pedrosa's place.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 12, 2018, 01:52:05 pm
Last to 4th on the grid.  Something like 15 overtakes.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 13, 2018, 10:03:53 pm
Was a great race, but now its all about Rossi, a pedestrian sitting in a lucky 6 place.

He must just gracelessly retire - farking please.  He is stopping true talent like Zarco from helping Yamaha to the greatness a strong brand like they deserves

Farking plse dude, your are nearly forty...ffs move on

Rossi is MR. MOTOGP, like it or not. He is worth lot, both to Yamaha and MotoGP.  He is a crowd puller.

As far as being almost 40 and having to move on, you would probably have said the same about Joey Dunlop.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 13, 2018, 10:10:10 pm
I think what everyone is upset about is, yes other riders have done this here and there in the past but MM started doing it on Friday in the practice session and continued doing it throughout the entire weekend.

1st.. this was only bought to our attention when Rossi mentioned it on TV.. i watched the practice and i didnt see anything, now everyone who saw the interview is throwing this up like its something they always knew.

2nd.. if he was doing it in the practice session why was there no complaint? not one, not from the management of other teams, not from the pit lane, not from any ither rider.. not one single concern was raised about his riding or improper passes

explain?

Marques is Spanish. Ne does not have to explain anything. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 15, 2018, 07:48:16 pm
I think what everyone is upset about is, yes other riders have done this here and there in the past but MM started doing it on Friday in the practice session and continued doing it throughout the entire weekend.

1st.. this was only bought to our attention when Rossi mentioned it on TV.. i watched the practice and i didnt see anything, now everyone who saw the interview is throwing this up like its something they always knew.

2nd.. if he was doing it in the practice session why was there no complaint? not one, not from the management of other teams, not from the pit lane, not from any ither rider.. not one single concern was raised about his riding or improper passes

explain?

You need to remember that millions watch the FP session on TV or live streaming as well, so they were fully aware of how MM went wild this weekend, even during practice. so it was only brought to the attention of those not watching as seriously as that by the Rossi interview.  Concerns were raised, to a level where MM himself explained the "little error".  Also, keep in mind we do not have an inside line into what happens in Race Direction, etc. so we cannot make a statements you did, since we don't know.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Africamike on April 23, 2018, 08:55:04 am
Race of the America's - nice result from Brad yesterday - Enjoyed Moto2 event.  MotoGP was a bit of a yawn - predictable result despite Marquez dropping to the second row of the grid - but maybe after the antics in Argentina a yawn was called for....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on April 23, 2018, 09:02:56 am
Race of the America's - nice result from Brad yesterday - Enjoyed Moto2 event.  MotoGP was a bit of a yawn - predictable result despite Marquez dropping to the second row of the grid - but maybe after the antics in Argentina a yawn was called for....

Sure, Moto 2 was great to watch.Marquez was in a league of his own again and good that the crasher stepped up again  ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2018, 09:26:23 am
Race of the America's - nice result from Brad yesterday - Enjoyed Moto2 event.  MotoGP was a bit of a yawn - predictable result despite Marquez dropping to the second row of the grid - but maybe after the antics in Argentina a yawn was called for....

Mixed bag of results for the Saffers.

Sheridan Morias, Supersport 600 knocked of his bike by his team mate in about lap 2. 
Dorren Loureiro, Supersport 300, 8th, but could change as lots of protests against the bikes ahead of him.
D Iozzo, Supersport 300, 22nd.
S.Lockhoff, Supersport 300. 29th
Matthew Scholtz, MotoAmerca Superbikes, 1st and 6th.
Cameron Peterson, MotoAmerica Superbikes, DNF and 10th.
Darryn Binder, Moto3. 13th.  Jô!  He clearly lacked top end speed.
Brad Binder, Moto2. 6th. Pipped on the finish line by another KTM.

MM93!  What can one say?  What a ride!?  No competition for him at this track.   He should be shot!   :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on April 23, 2018, 10:19:29 am
order has been restored in the universe
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2018, 10:22:02 am
order has been restored in the universe

No!  He hasn't been shot yet!   :biggrin:

His ride yesterday just shows how bloody good he is and therefore no reasons for him to ride like an arsehole!

He actually dive bombed poor Tito Rabat in FP4 on Saturday.  FP4, for goodness sakes!  It counts for nothing.  Just a 30 minute final shake down of the bikes before qualifying.  Why!? 

As a VR fan, I must leave this here .....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JFE on April 23, 2018, 12:21:57 pm

Brad Binder, Moto2. 6th. Pipped on the finish line by another KTM.

IMO he threw away his chances at a much better result when he pushed that hard in the middle section of the race, had two near offs, but he's still young I truely believe he'll come of age and we stil have to see the best of him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2018, 12:58:48 pm

Brad Binder, Moto2. 6th. Pipped on the finish line by another KTM.

IMO he threw away his chances at a much better result when he pushed that hard in the middle section of the race, had two near offs, but he's still young I truely believe he'll come of age and we stil have to see the best of him.

Agreed.  He certainly threw away a chance at a better finish, but Brad is normally a very calculated and strategic rider and mistakes like that is not in his character.   We won't see that often, so we will still see him on the podium many times in the future.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2018, 08:57:53 pm
That young man Marc Marques really has no class at all, to cheat so openly in the previous race, then sabotage Vinhales in pre-race placing laps, and then..................

come back to smear our noses in the fact that he is just untouchable. :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on April 24, 2018, 07:57:09 am
I think the problem here is the other riders especially Rossi must learn to ride faster or get out of his way. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 24, 2018, 09:41:04 am
That young man Marc Marques really has no class at all, to cheat so openly in the previous race, then sabotage Vinhales in pre-race placing laps, and then..................

come back to smear our noses in the fact that he is just untouchable. :xxbah:

 :laughing4:

Agreed!  We should start an online petition!    :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on April 24, 2018, 12:29:58 pm
That young man Marc Marques really has no class at all, to cheat so openly in the previous race, then sabotage Vinhales in pre-race placing laps, and then..................

come back to smear our noses in the fact that he is just untouchable. :xxbah:

Cheat, sabotage.. such strong language.

Just because there is a few sour grapes going around and some people need tissues.. Nobody is going to take the title this year besides MM, well they can try.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 24, 2018, 07:49:27 pm
That young man Marc Marques really has no class at all, to cheat so openly in the previous race, then sabotage Vinhales in pre-race placing laps, and then..................

come back to smear our noses in the fact that he is just untouchable. :xxbah:

Cheat, sabotage.. such strong language.

Just because there is a few sour grapes going around and some people need tissues.. Nobody is going to take the title this year besides MM, well they can try.

No, Fuzz, this is not strong language, not compared to what has been directed at Lorenzo's toy-boy during the qualifiers. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: landieman on April 26, 2018, 10:08:37 am
Would like to have seen The Doctor vs MM on 500cc's and while the Doc was still in his prime
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on April 26, 2018, 10:15:09 am
Would like to have seen The Doctor vs MM on 500cc's and while the Doc was still in his prime

No contest! MM would have highsided himself into orbit.......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2018, 11:15:13 am
Would like to have seen The Doctor vs MM on 500cc's and while the Doc was still in his prime

No contest! MM would have highsided himself into orbit.......

Rossi, is possibly the only MGP rider still racing who rode a MGP bike without any form of rider aids. 

If MM ever rode a 500cc 2-smoke in anger, there would be a funeral shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on April 26, 2018, 11:39:10 am
Would like to have seen The Doctor vs MM on 500cc's and while the Doc was still in his prime

No contest! MM would have highsided himself into orbit.......

Rossi, is possibly the only MGP rider still racing who rode a MGP bike without any form of rider aids. 

If MM ever rode a 500cc 2-smoke in anger, there would be a funeral shortly thereafter.


True story Bear, I fear he may still be headed for a big one with his no fear, invincible style.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2018, 01:25:18 pm
Would like to have seen The Doctor vs MM on 500cc's and while the Doc was still in his prime

No contest! MM would have highsided himself into orbit.......

Rossi, is possibly the only MGP rider still racing who rode a MGP bike without any form of rider aids. 

If MM ever rode a 500cc 2-smoke in anger, there would be a funeral shortly thereafter.


True story Bear, I fear he may still be headed for a big one with his no fear, invincible style.....

I hope you and I are wrong Rob, but I share your fear.

The sad part is, he is a brilliant riders and does not need to ride as dangerously as he does.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: aka.Goliath on April 28, 2018, 04:48:24 pm
http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 28, 2018, 06:10:17 pm
http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.

Not confirmed yet, but if eventually true (motorspot.com is seldomly wrong), it would be interesting to see what he and KTM can do in MotoGP.  I am not sure, much.  I am still hoping Zarco will get the 2nd Honda seat.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Ysbeer6 on April 30, 2018, 03:12:52 pm
http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.

Zarco might be KTM's key to success in MotoGP. I hope he goes for it, also think it will be good for the sport, Zarco's talent has the potential to put another manufacturer on the map...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2018, 03:23:25 pm
http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.

Zarco might be KTM's key to success in MotoGP. I hope he goes for it, also think it will be good for the sport, Zarco's talent has the potential to put another manufacturer on the map...

I think you are correct about what Zarco can do for KTM.  He also have a very interesting, yet very different technique for setting up a race bike and this may also help KTM.   Unlike other riders, he prefers to ignore the gathered info from previous testing and races.  He takes the bike as is from the transporter, goes out and rides many laps.  His idea is that he wants to understand the bike and push it, as is, as fast as he can possibly can and then and only then, start thinking about tweaking.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Ysbeer6 on April 30, 2018, 03:36:43 pm
http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.

Zarco might be KTM's key to success in MotoGP. I hope he goes for it, also think it will be good for the sport, Zarco's talent has the potential to put another manufacturer on the map...

I think you are correct about what Zarco can do for KTM.  He also have a very interesting, yet very different technique for setting up a race bike and this may also help KTM.   Unlike other riders, he prefers to ignore the gathered info from previous testing and races.  He takes the bike as is from the transporter, goes out and rides many laps.  His idea is that he wants to understand the bike and push it, as is, as fast as he can possibly can and then and only then, start thinking about tweaking.

That's exactly it and also the reason why Honda is having/had a look at Zarco. But I hope he goes for KTM, would like to see them improve and with Zarco they can definitely get that bike up to speed...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 01, 2018, 07:58:46 am
Yeah, i dont think Honda’s facilities are big enough for two set of such gigantic balls.  Rather KTM for Zarco.  But Dani needs replacing.  Did anyone said Franky says Relax?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 01, 2018, 07:59:49 am


http://www.motogp.com/en/in+the+media/2018/04/24/zarco-to-ktm-done-deal/256623

Interesting move from Zarco. Looking forward to see what KTM brings to the MotoGP next year.

Zarco might be KTM's key to success in MotoGP. I hope he goes for it, also think it will be good for the sport, Zarco's talent has the potential to put another manufacturer on the map...

I think you are correct about what Zarco can do for KTM.  He also have a very interesting, yet very different technique for setting up a race bike and this may also help KTM.   Unlike other riders, he prefers to ignore the gathered info from previous testing and races.  He takes the bike as is from the transporter, goes out and rides many laps.  His idea is that he wants to understand the bike and push it, as is, as fast as he can possibly can and then and only then, start thinking about tweaking.

That's exactly it and also the reason why Honda is having/had a look at Zarco. But I hope he goes for KTM, would like to see them improve and with Zarco they can definitely get that bike up to speed...

The move to KTM, at worst will be a glitch setting his career back a year or two. He is young and have time on his side.   He could however go down in history as the rider who helped the team become competitive, even win races. 

Yeah, i dont think Honda’s facilities are big enough for two set of such gigantic balls.  Rather KTM for Zarco.  But Dani needs replacing.  Did anyone said Franky says Relax?

Franky more likely to stay with Marc VDS who is current favourites to take the satelite Yamahas onboard and Franky is a product of the VR46 Academy.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 01, 2018, 08:13:37 am
True - pity
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 01, 2018, 09:12:53 am
True - pity

Whispers are that MARC VDS, if they have Franky, will get one 100% factory spec M1, similar to the deal LCR Honda have with Crutchlow there.  This could throw another jackal in the chicken coop.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 02, 2018, 12:13:20 pm
Rossi, is possibly the only MGP rider still racing who rode a MGP bike without any form of rider aids. 

If MM ever rode a 500cc 2-smoke in anger, there would be a funeral shortly thereafter.


Jonathan Rea ex British motocross champ who trains on Motocross bikes with MM reckons if MM went to Motorcross he would be World Champ within a year. Remember Marquez took the worlds best on in flat Track racing including the American World Champion and Rossi was there and he won that also.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2018, 12:40:56 pm
Rossi, is possibly the only MGP rider still racing who rode a MGP bike without any form of rider aids. 

If MM ever rode a 500cc 2-smoke in anger, there would be a funeral shortly thereafter.


Jonathan Rea ex British motocross champ who trains on Motocross bikes with MM reckons if MM went to Motorcross he would be World Champ within a year. Remember Marquez took the worlds best on in flat Track racing including the American World Champion and Rossi was there and he won that also.

Jonathan is a great rider and I have huge respect for him as a rider, but I am not sure he trains with MM that much, nor that his opinion in this case (if he did actually say this), is that accurate.  Did he not, in fact at the end of 2016 say that Rossi is the greatest rider of all time? 

Are you sure Rossi was at the Superprestigio Dirt Track Invitational the same year as Marquez?  As far as I am aware not.  Also MM did not beat the American World Champion.  He beat Brad Baker, who was the American Grand National Championship in 2013.  In 201t when MM beat him the first time, he was placed 8th in the US Championship,  MM rode an immaculately prepared Honda CRF450 with top of the range Ohlins, HRC prepared engine and the HRC team spend a week setting the bike up.  Brad Baker rode a stock CRF450.  The Superprestigio is a fun thing, sort of like the Rally Cross thing VR wins every year.  We shouldn't see to much in it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 02, 2018, 05:04:06 pm
Rossi was there on a Yamaha prepared by Yamaha but did not make it to the final. Does Bard Baker not ride for Honda I find it hard to believe he would get a substandard bike that is not Honda s style. Right now Rossi s record and then still suggests along side Agostini he is possibly the greatest rider of all time I sure MM was just being honest at the time, however it is wrong to assume he would not be able to ride an unassisted bike. He has proved he can ride anything, However his record to at his age suggests he will possibly break all Rossis records in half the time and right now he is the best rider.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2018, 05:16:24 pm
Quote from: MotoMatter.com
And of course there is Valentino Rossi. Rossi, it is well known, is a fervent flat track rider, who has even built his very own private facility for training. He even had a Harley-Davidson XR750 crated up and shipped to his home in Tavullia. So why does Rossi not compete at the Superprestigio? The elephant in the room is of course the fact that this is Marc Márquez' event, and it is unlikely that either man would want Rossi to be there. Márquez will not be chomping at the bit to invite Rossi, and Rossi will not want to be sanctioning an event so closely associated with his bitterest rival.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on May 02, 2018, 07:22:29 pm
we should take into account hat rossi changed manufacturers fairly early on, leaving honda that was, and still is , clearly the best bike out there.  i reckon i'd support mm more if he changed teams to mix it up a bit. i just think his bullying that goes relatively unpunished is ruining the sport even though he is clearly faster than others.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on May 02, 2018, 07:32:18 pm
Rossi was there on a Yamaha prepared by Yamaha but did not make it to the final. Does Bard Baker not ride for Honda I find it hard to believe he would get a substandard bike that is not Honda s style. Right now Rossi s record and then still suggests along side Agostini he is possibly the greatest rider of all time I sure MM was just being honest at the time, however it is wrong to assume he would not be able to ride an unassisted bike. He has proved he can ride anything, However his record to at his age suggests he will possibly break all Rossis records in half the time and right now he is the best rider.
Saying this is like.....uhm I don't know(haha). Its motorcycle racing and is dangerous, one crash can end a carreer, like next week or in training. One bad shoulder injury ot what ever can change things right there, we will never be able to say until he betters Rossi's record.......or not...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2018, 07:45:36 pm
While I agree that MM is a great rider and if he can learn to control the red mist, he may well break all VR's record, bar possibly one that Rossi will set at the end of lap 15 at Jerez this weekend.  When he crosses the finish line, after lap 15 he will have raced the equivalent of once around the world.

Jonathan Rea ex British motocross champ who trains on Motocross bikes with MM reckons if MM went to Motorcross he would be World Champ within a year.  -  Can find no evidence of this.

Remember Marquez took the worlds best on in flat Track racing including the American World Champion  - No.  He beat the guy who was 8th in the US championship that year.

and Rossi was there and he won that also.  -  No.  VR has never taken part .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 09:41:19 am
Confirmed, Pol Espargaro signed 2 more years (2019 and 2020) with KTM.  That leaves one seat open?  Perhaps Migual Oliviera?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 03, 2018, 09:51:16 am
Zarco
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 03, 2018, 10:19:53 am
That will be excellent!

Zarco
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 10:28:15 am
Zarco

I cannot see it being Zarco.  It could be, of course, but he could just move to KTM with his current Tech3 team instead.  KTM also made some serious noise about developing their own young riders from M3 to M2 to MGP.   That said, who knows what sort of offers he will be considering, etc.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 10:39:49 am
Seems I could be very wrong though.  Two deals that the rumour mill suggests is basically done and dusted, just waiting to be announced:

-  Zarco to KTM Red Bull
-  Lorenzo to Suzuki Factory

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Mooch on May 03, 2018, 10:52:00 am
Seems I could be very wrong though.  Two deals that the rumour mill suggests is basically done and dusted, just waiting to be announced:

-  Zarco to KTM Red Bull
-  Lorenzo to Suzuki Factory

100% Also what I heard.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 03, 2018, 10:56:15 am
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Marc Marquez

Marc without doubt makes the Honda look much better than it really is, and I’m not sure what his salary is but for me he’s worth even more. If you take Cal’s few podium visits out of the equation, he’s been the guy that’s held Honda up pretty much since Casey left.

I really like him, but I’m not exactly sure how well he managed the championship last year because it seems like last year he had a lot of near misses. He’s like a cat – you can throw him up in the air and he always lands on his feet! But I’ve been riding with him this winter – and even how he practices on a motocross bike is how he races – he rides at a fast pace and has huge concentration levels for thirty minutes at the time.

He’s the most prepared he’s ever been, but he needs to manage everything even better this year. I’m not sure how much, but it seems like Honda have made a step forward this year, and they can relax a little knowing Marc is on the bike. That might just be enough, because he is exceptionally special. He’s one of a kind


Still trying to find the interview were he said Marquez would be world champion Motocross rider. I apologise for including Rossi in the flat track racing you are right he was not there. I actually believe if Rossi had stayed with Honda he would have at least 10 or even more titles he certainly left when Honda had a dominant bike in the 5 cyclinder Honda the bike handled well and was capable off more than 280HP it was actually detuned for certain tracks and I have no doubt the bike helped Hayden to his world title. However it is strange that people call Marquez a bully forgetting what Rossi was like at a similar age. However at this stage MM s record is ahead of Rossi at the same ages and I believe as good as Rossi is the youngsters coming through will end his chances of a 10th world title his team mate has yet to show himself this year. I also believe if MM stays on and is managed well he will beat Rossi s record and Rossi s fued with him just motivates him more to prove himself. This is a wait and see comment I might be wrong.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 11:16:47 am
Still trying to find the interview were he said Marquez would be world champion Motocross rider. I apologise for including Rossi in the flat track racing you are right he was not there.

No problem.  None of us have 100% memory. 

Sportsmen have fans and we all support our here to the hilt.  It is why some love VR and some hate him and why some think MM is an angel and some call him a bully.  Personally, I think MM needs to figure a way to manage the red mist or he will not break any records as he will be riding with Simoncelli soon.  Don't get me wrong, his skills are amazing.  He doesn't need to be dangerous at all. 

You compare a young Rossi with MM.  I am no sure it is a correct comparison.  MM has now had many seasons experience and he still causes more incidents in a year than any other riders, including VR ever did.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 03, 2018, 11:43:39 am
You are probably right about instances. However the bikes are more forgiving in the corners with all the aids and makes for closer racing. Rossi was certainly aggressive on and off the track and made sure everyone new it. His run ins and comments on Gibernea, Biaggi and even tried to intimidate Stoner (came second there) also Lorenzo when he first arrived at Yamaha. Him taking his team from Honda to Yamaha was the Resurrection of Yamaha and decline of Honda with his ability to set up a race bike and his full team from Honda. However as great as he is or was we must accept there is another star on the rise who by the way is still very young and I have no doubt will mature, I was also a Rossi fan but slowly moved away especially when he started with Stoner there was no need.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 03, 2018, 11:53:18 am
Zarco

Just confirmed by KTM

Great!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 12:16:52 pm
Zarco

Just confirmed by KTM

Great!!!

Apologies for talking with a mouth full ........ of humble pie!   :lol8:

So, Zarco goes to KTM (Red Bull).  Interestingly, that leaves both seats at KTM (Tech3) open and the latest is that one of those seats is reserved for either Miguel Oliviera or Brad Binder.  It seems KTM, as with M2 and M3 and as they said they would, is more interested in proper competition, than factory teams versus satelite, or customer teams and their plans with MGP was always to have all KTM's on the grid, full factory spec.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 12:25:39 pm
You are probably right about instances. However the bikes are more forgiving in the corners with all the aids and makes for closer racing. Rossi was certainly aggressive on and off the track and made sure everyone new it. His run ins and comments on Gibernea, Biaggi and even tried to intimidate Stoner (came second there) also Lorenzo when he first arrived at Yamaha. Him taking his team from Honda to Yamaha was the Resurrection of Yamaha and decline of Honda with his ability to set up a race bike and his full team from Honda. However as great as he is or was we must accept there is another star on the rise who by the way is still very young and I have no doubt will mature, I was also a Rossi fan but slowly moved away especially when he started with Stoner there was no need.

I fear, your memory is a tad different than mine.  All the incidents you mention were, most definitely a two way street thing.   

Of course we must accept that there is anther rising star, or stars.  That is no different than any other sport.  However, what most MM fans seem to forget is that MM is one of a few possible rising stars and because they are rising stars, does not mean Rossi is less of a star. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 03, 2018, 12:30:58 pm
Rossi brings millions to Moto GP his stardom is Legendary. I just believe his best days are over. There are new kids on the block. I am interested in this weekend I believe vinyales will shine here. Yamaha normally do well on this track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 03, 2018, 12:34:13 pm
I fear, your memory is a tad different than mine.  All the incidents you mention were, most definitely a two way street thing.   


They turned 2 way but Rossi started them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2018, 12:34:42 pm
Rossi brings millions to Moto GP his stardom is Legendary. I just believe his best days are over. There are new kids on the block. I am interested in this weekend I believe vinyales will shine here. Yamaha normally do well on this track.

Of course his best days are over.  There is no way a 40 year old can be as good as he was at 25 and yes, there are new kids on the block.  Again, the natural progression of things.  I just wonder how many of these new kids will be able to still make a podium, once they are 40? 

I hope you are right and that the Yamahas manage to find grip.  If they can manage that, I believe MV as well as VR will do well.


I fear, your memory is a tad different than mine.  All the incidents you mention were, most definitely a two way street thing.   


They turned 2 way but Rossi started them.

 :laughing4:  If you say so .....

The highest trees catches the most weind, or what am I talking about? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 03, 2018, 05:02:38 pm
MM may be ahead at his age but it is important to remember Dorna bent the rules so he could move up to MotoGP early. Rossi had to do 2years of winning at 125 then two years at 250 before being allowed to move up. That helps his record look better.

Admittedly Rossi took a year in each case to get used the category he was racing in before winning it. Thus he had 3 years in 125, 3 years 250 and one 500cc on his second year. Admittedly against some of the sports greats.

I admire Rossi for his approach. There is no point staying with Honda and winning all the time. This is boring.
Go to Yamaha work with them. Turn their bike from a pig into a race winner. He moved to Ducati for the challenge there. Sadly they did not find each other and this proved fruitless. But kudos for the attempt.

I look forward to MM moving to slower bike in the challenge to prove he is able to help develop a bike. It would shut people like me up once he has proven he is a complete rider.  :pot:

So MM is precocious. He is talented and fast on a reasonable bike. He is clearly protected by Dorna. I look forward to him earning the title Doctor or an equivalent. I hope he is taken in hand for his riding. I doubt it will happen. Maybe if he wer not Spanish or his name was Simoncelli.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 03, 2018, 06:39:17 pm
Take the blinkers off your eyes, Bwana, and look at MOTOGP again.

Look at all of Rossi's interactions with Biaggi, Stoner and Gibernau, rough riding yes, but nowhere did Rossi simply came in too hot from behind and crashed out another rider like MM did the 2nd last race on Rossi.

Never has Rossi ever gone in against the flow of racing on any track either.

MM has talent, but he displays it like the kids in junior carting.

A huge part of racing depends on racers mutually respecting each other, and trusting their acting on-track.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 07:54:01 am
Like the incident were he purposely ran Marquez wide and admitted in the hearing because he said Marquez was blocking him from Lorenzo but denied kicking because he said his foot slipped off the peg (ha ha). He also ran Gibernea wide off the track. I wander who has blinkers.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 08:09:02 am
So MM is precocious. He is talented and fast on a reasonable bike. He is clearly protected by Dorna. I look forward to him earning the title Doctor or an equivalent. I hope he is taken in hand for his riding. I doubt it will happen. Maybe if he wer not Spanish or his name was Simoncelli.


Apparently last years Honda was a dog and also slow according to a lot of the experts. The only person that could get anything out of it was Marquez. However I hear your point about Rossi starting later.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 08:16:35 am
ook at all of Rossi's interactions with Biaggi, Stoner and Gibernau, rough riding yes, but nowhere did Rossi simply came in too hot from behind and crashed out another rider like MM did the 2nd last race on Rossi.

Do you not think this was just a moment of stupidity to make up for other mistakes he had made in the same race in the heat of desperation to get back. All racers will know that burning desire to get ahead it has happened to all racers including Rossi when he took out Stoner.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 09:22:57 am
Like the incident were he purposely ran Marquez wide and admitted in the hearing because he said Marquez was blocking him from Lorenzo but denied kicking because he said his foot slipped off the peg (ha ha). He also ran Gibernea wide off the track. I wander who has blinkers.

It has been proven beyond all doubt by video footage from the helicopter, track CCTV cameras and other sport feeds, as well as Honda's own telemetry that VR did NOT kick MM.  If you still believe this, you are clearly extremely biased for MM, or against VR. 

If you read what guys like Doohan, Rainy, etc. have to say about Gibernau, Biaggi, etc. it is very clear that none of them were angels, or Sunday school teachers.

ook at all of Rossi's interactions with Biaggi, Stoner and Gibernau, rough riding yes, but nowhere did Rossi simply came in too hot from behind and crashed out another rider like MM did the 2nd last race on Rossi.

Do you not think this was just a moment of stupidity to make up for other mistakes he had made in the same race in the heat of desperation to get back. All racers will know that burning desire to get ahead it has happened to all racers including Rossi when he took out Stoner.   

VR did it the same number of times in his career as MM did in a single weekend and continued the next weekend in the USA. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 10:20:50 am
https://www.foxsports.com.au › news

Follow link you are very wrong in your comments.I dont know were you get your info from but it is not from any place I know may be from Valentino Rossis fan club. Honda did not take it further because it was under advice from the top I have that in a Honda news letter. It seems Rossi fans only listen to Rossi stories. When Rossi walked into Stoners garage direcly after the race to apologize for the almost exact same incident. Stoners comment was it seems your ambition out ways your talent end of story and that is the difference Rossi loves making a scene.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 10:31:29 am
Honda MotoGP president Shuhei Nakamoto remains adamant Valentino Rossi kicked Marc Marquez's bike during their controversial Malaysian Grand Prix battle.

Though some television angles indicated the Italian kicked out at his Spanish rival, a lack of decisive evidence meant Rossi was officially penalised for pushing Marquez wide and causing him to crash.

"The data from Marc's bike shows that even though he was picking up the bike trying to avoid contact with Valentino, his front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash," said Nakamoto in a Honda statement on the controversy issued on Monday.

"We believe that this pressure was a result of Rossi's kick.

"The data acquisition from Marc's bike is available if anybody from Dorna, the FIM or media want to check."

Race direction and Yamaha suggested Marquez had been trying to make life difficult for Rossi in the Sepang battle following the earlier tension between them, but Nakamoto insisted this was not the case.

"He is a good guy, with strong and honest values," he said of Marquez.

"Marc was just trying to defend his position, as any rider would do, and we believe him 100 per cent.

"We know that Marc was struggling at the beginning of the race with the full tank, as has happened several times this season.

"Also he made a mistake at the beginning of the race and this allowed Jorge to pass him. Then Valentino arrived and they began to fight for third place.

"The passes were extreme, but safe, from both riders. Two of the greatest champions we've seen battling together on track.

"The laptimes they were doing were quite fast, clearly showing that there was no intention from Marc to slow down Valentino.

"In addition, after Marc crashed and Valentino had an open track in front of him, his laptimes were no faster then during the battle with Marc."

While making clear Honda respected race direction's handling of the incident, Nakamoto admitted to some disappointment Rossi was not given an instant penalty.

"We do believe there was enough evidence to allow them to take a decision during the race," he said.

Rossi will start last for the Valencia title decider as the penalty points he was awarded for the clash triggered a grid penalty, but he is appealing the decision.

"Valentino is the greatest ever champion of our sport," Nakamoto added.

"We believe he has done a great job this year, and if he wins the championship he truly deserves it, as he has been consistent and very fast all year.

"The fact that he is 36 years old increases the respect for such a great champion.

"Having said that, we don't understand his accusation related to the Phillip Island race and his manoeuvre in Sepang.

"We hope that Valentino will think it over and understand his mistake."
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 10:36:45 am


Here is at again as a youngster also kicking obviously something thats not new to him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 10:45:13 am
“Rossi’s evidence is that his foot came off the foot-peg as a result of the contact,” MotoGP race director Mike Webb told crash.net.

“Fr


This is what Rossi officially said in his hearing. Lets just get the record straight.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 10:45:52 am

"The data from Marc's bike shows that even though he was picking up the bike trying to avoid contact with Valentino, his front brake lever suddenly received an impact that locked the front tyre, which is the reason for his crash," said Nakamoto in a Honda statement on the controversy issued on Monday.

"We believe that this pressure was a result of Rossi's kick.



Well, since we are getting facts straight, did Honda not make the data available, or did they?  From your 2nd post, it seems they did.  As for that brake lever being depressed by anything other than MM's hand, I call bullshit.  The MGP bikes all, including MM's bike have brake lever guards and VR's foot was nowhere near MM's brake lever anyway.  Personally, I discount anything said by Honda and Yamaha as they have vested interest.  I go on what  see and footage from other angles shows VR did not kick MM and that MM dove into VR.

It seems, the main difference between VR and MM is that you have to goo back 2 years and even 12 or 15 to find evidence of VR wrong doing.  MM only requires 2 weeks.

Look at the dive into VR at around 0.16.  See how VR shoves him away with his knee.  No kick against the brake lever, under the guard.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 10:52:05 am
MotoGP moves onto Jerez in Spain this weekend and some new record is set.  Four Saffer-boys will do their thing on track.  Go well:

-  #4 Steven Odendaal and #41 Brad Binder in M2
-  #40 Darryn Binder in M2
-  #62 Aidan Liebenberg in the Red Bull Rookies Cup.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 11:05:22 am
I look forward to this weekend and actually hope an up coming youngster wins I would like to Zarco or MV make a good showing. I still stand by my comments that Rossi is no angel and equally as bad as Marquez at the same age but Marquez quietness impresses me especially over the kick incident with Rossi ie being forced to run wide (which Rossi admitted to) imagine if it was the other way round. Winners in all forms of racing are no angles just look at F1. Senna Prost. Schaumaker many incidents.Mansell etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 11:15:02 am
Yeah, let us not ruin the 2018 thread with a long debate from a few years ago.  We agree to disagree and look forward to this weekends racing.  I will always hope VR wins, but realize that in his current form on the current Yamaha, that is unlikely.  MM in his current form could probably win the race using and old 250GP 2-stroke.  I so hope Zarco, Iannone or Dovi can put a bit of brakes on him.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 11:15:18 am
Heres a comment from some one who knows him personally and is still officially the greatest rider of all time. The competing riders of that day also did not rule in favor of Rossi. A fans view
will always find in favor of his star.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 11:19:39 am
Yeah I am over it now. I love motorcycle racing lets see what happens going forward. I would love to see Lorenzo back as well probably the smoothest rider out there. I feel he would be better off on the Suzuki. He needs a good honest handling bike.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 11:21:43 am
Yeah I am over it now. I love motorcycle racing lets see what happens going forward. I would love to see Lorenzo back as well probably the smoothest rider out there. I feel he would be better off on the Suzuki. He needs a good honest handling bike.

I think JL would do better anywhere as he is really having a torrid time on the Ducati.  Pity as he is a much better rider than what we are seeing.  He should make a much better, if not great rider on a Suzuki.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 11:27:14 am
I at last 100% agree with you.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 04, 2018, 02:57:14 pm
Quote
A huge part of racing depends on racers mutually respecting each other, and trusting their acting on-track.

yeah, that and winning...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 04, 2018, 04:43:22 pm
Quote
A huge part of racing depends on racers mutually respecting each other, and trusting their acting on-track.

yeah, that and winning...

I do believe that Rossi's record speaks volumes about his will to win. You do not have to on purpose crash into two riders, from behind, both on the racing line, to demonstrate that you want to win.

Rossi is and have never been an angel, but MM is being a bad baby. An over-protected bad baby.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 04:48:27 pm
Valentino Rossi “exaggerated” in his critique of Marc Marquez in Argentina and was wrong to suggest the Honda rider hit him deliberately, says grand prix motorcycling legend Giacomo Agostini.
Yamaha man Rossi pulled no punches when addressing the media after Marquez made contact with him in the latter stages at Termas de Rio Hondo and caused him to crash.

It reopened the bitter feud between the pair sparked at Sepang in 2015, with Rossi accusing Marquez of intentionally aiming for his leg with his bike and “destroying our sport” with his aggressive riding.

Marquez denied Rossi’s allegations and insisted his attempt to pass the Italian after an earlier ride-through penalty was “nothing crazy” and the contact was a result of an honest mistake.

Speaking to Italy’s Radio 24, 15-time world champion Agostini said Marquez doesn’t deserve any further punishment for the incident and that Rossi was guilty of similar moves in his career.

“Marquez has made a mistake and has said sorry, we hope he won’t do it again, but he shouldn’t be disqualified,” Agostini said. “He was already punished in the race.

“If we disqualify people every time, then we won’t race [each other] anymore. This is true for everyone: I think it was [Andrea] Iannone who hit [Andrea] Dovizioso two years ago, then he was [given a three-place grid penalty], but this way no-one races anymore.


Here is what I call an unbiased opinion from the worlds greatest. Remember he is Italian rode for Yamaha and knows Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 04, 2018, 04:52:26 pm

15-times world champion Giacomo Agostini says Valentino Rossi's accusations that Marc Marquez deliberately targeted him in the Argentina MotoGP race are 'not true' and 'exaggerated'.

Marquez collided with Rossi at Turn 13 in the closing stages of the Argentine Grand Prix, forcing the Italian onto the wet grass where he crashed.

Rossi rejoined to finish 19th, while Marquez – who had been handed a ride-through penalty earlier in the race for failing to start from pitlane after stalling his bike on the grid – was given a 30-second penalty post-race, dropping him from fifth to 18th.

Marquez was accused by Rossi of “destroying the sport” and deliberately crashing into him, while the Spaniard felt his move on the Yamaha rider was “nothing crazy”.

Speaking with Radio 24, Agostini did not condone Marquez's actions, but says any further penalty for the Honda rider risked negatively affecting the racing, while also claiming Rossi's comments were made in the heat of the moment.

“He shouldn't be disqualified, he was already punished in the race,” Agostini said of Marquez.

“If we disqualify a rider every time, we won't race anymore. This goes for everyone. I'm thinking about [Andrea] Iannone who knocked [Andrea] Dovizioso down two years ago.

“He should have been disqualified then, but if we do this we'd have no-one racing.

“It's not true that Marquez goes for a rider's legs, as Rossi says. Everyone's wound up now and are exaggerating.

“What happened yesterday between Marquez and Rossi has happened to everyone, has happened to me, to Valentino Rossi and even happened again in that race when [Johann] Zarco knocked out [Dani] Pedrosa.”

He added: “I remember back when I raced, especially in England, where four would pass me as soon as I braked, left, right, there's always been this kind of fighting.

“But it's only right to have respect, and to not knock people down.”

In another interview with Virgin Radio, Agostini said Marquez was “stupid” but feels it is too easy to not understand the “tension” a rider is going through when they are fighting through the field.

“Marquez was stupid, I say it as a friend. He was gobbling them all up, he could have waited for the next turn and maybe prepare the pass better, while he thought here was room and he didn't make it.

“It's not right, I don't want to defend him but you have to see the situation too; with the tension there is, you're not as lucid like you are sitting at a desk.”



Sorry left some out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 04, 2018, 07:47:09 pm
Now who could argue with Giacomo? :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 07:54:09 pm
Jerez, Spain:

FP1:
Darryn Binder 22, Brad Binder 10, Steven Odendaal 16


FP2:
Darryn Binder 27, Brad Binder 6, Steven Odendaal 22

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2018, 08:00:58 pm
All Ago says is that Rossi's outburst was wrong and MM shouldn't have been disqualified.  It certainly is one opinion.  I could even agree, but Ago seems to forget the indiscretion the previous day when he did the same to MV during FP, the start live foul up and the fact that VR was the 3rd rider MM did that to in the single race. 

As an interesting point, he went on the run Tito Rabat wide a week later in the USA during FP4.  FP4, for goodness sakes!  A meaningless, timing counts for nothing, 30 minute session to do final fine tuning before QP.  Then in QP he dawdled on the racing lane.  Come one Bwana, that is, however you argue it, 3 - 6 indiscretions over two races.   This must, in fact be a new record of sorts!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 04, 2018, 08:07:21 pm
Now who could argue with Giacomo? :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Not me ............. no one ever goes for rider's legs ...................... those GP dwarfs are proper skinny.

Even the brolly ladies have bigger thighs ...........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 05, 2018, 08:07:24 am
Rossi behaved just as badly as MM at the same age if not worse. Marquez has never kicked at anyone. Marquez keeps his mouth shut and talks on the track. I also believe MM has never run anyone wide off the track just to be vindictive ( A Rossi admit-ion) and done to Giberneau. Rossi s has a problem with his temper and self control he is also famous for Kicking off the track maybe he will become known as Kick box Rossi. His great personality and talent has helped him through a lot of shit. MM is just an out and out racer. maybe you should read what the other riders had to say about the incident they are the ones that really count then read what they had to say about the  kick or run wide incident.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 05, 2018, 11:23:48 am
Afterall it is racing!


15-times world champion Giacomo Agostini says Valentino Rossi's accusations that Marc Marquez deliberately targeted him in the Argentina MotoGP race are 'not true' and 'exaggerated'.

Marquez collided with Rossi at Turn 13 in the closing stages of the Argentine Grand Prix, forcing the Italian onto the wet grass where he crashed.

Rossi rejoined to finish 19th, while Marquez – who had been handed a ride-through penalty earlier in the race for failing to start from pitlane after stalling his bike on the grid – was given a 30-second penalty post-race, dropping him from fifth to 18th.

Marquez was accused by Rossi of “destroying the sport” and deliberately crashing into him, while the Spaniard felt his move on the Yamaha rider was “nothing crazy”.

Speaking with Radio 24, Agostini did not condone Marquez's actions, but says any further penalty for the Honda rider risked negatively affecting the racing, while also claiming Rossi's comments were made in the heat of the moment.

“He shouldn't be disqualified, he was already punished in the race,” Agostini said of Marquez.

“If we disqualify a rider every time, we won't race anymore. This goes for everyone. I'm thinking about [Andrea] Iannone who knocked [Andrea] Dovizioso down two years ago.

“He should have been disqualified then, but if we do this we'd have no-one racing.

“It's not true that Marquez goes for a rider's legs, as Rossi says. Everyone's wound up now and are exaggerating.

“What happened yesterday between Marquez and Rossi has happened to everyone, has happened to me, to Valentino Rossi and even happened again in that race when [Johann] Zarco knocked out [Dani] Pedrosa.”

He added: “I remember back when I raced, especially in England, where four would pass me as soon as I braked, left, right, there's always been this kind of fighting.

“But it's only right to have respect, and to not knock people down.”

In another interview with Virgin Radio, Agostini said Marquez was “stupid” but feels it is too easy to not understand the “tension” a rider is going through when they are fighting through the field.

“Marquez was stupid, I say it as a friend. He was gobbling them all up, he could have waited for the next turn and maybe prepare the pass better, while he thought here was room and he didn't make it.

“It's not right, I don't want to defend him but you have to see the situation too; with the tension there is, you're not as lucid like you are sitting at a desk.”



Sorry left some out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 05, 2018, 12:38:47 pm
Thats exactly right. Ive yet to hear of a courteous motor racing champ on the track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DirtRebell on May 05, 2018, 12:40:36 pm
 :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2018, 01:05:26 pm
Thats exactly right. Ive yet to hear of a courteous motor racing champ on the track.

Why then the vehement protection of one, attack on another even to the point of stopping to debate yourself, but rather copy and copious amounts from the internet?   >:D 

If, however calling what MM did the past two races as racing, seems to indicate you, like MM, are confusing racing with pinball!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rooikoos on May 05, 2018, 03:46:31 pm
In other news....

What a lap by Zarco to put that Yamaha on the front row, same goes for Crutchlow’s lap!


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DirtRebell on May 05, 2018, 04:21:21 pm
In other news....

What a lap by Zarco to put that Yamaha on the front row, same goes for Crutchlow’s lap!


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And the factory Yamahas on p10 & 11....
Guys at ktm must be feeling moist about their newest acquisition.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2018, 05:17:50 pm
Jerez, Spain:

FP1:
Darryn Binder 22, Brad Binder 10, Steven Odendaal 16


FP2:
Darryn Binder 27, Brad Binder 6, Steven Odendaal 22

Grid:

Darryn Binder, crash.  Shoulder dislocated.  Will not race tomorrow.
Brad:  5th.  Steven:  26th.  Incredible, just 1,6s between pole and Steven.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 05, 2018, 05:20:49 pm
In other news....

What a lap by Zarco to put that Yamaha on the front row, same goes for Crutchlow’s lap!


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And the factory Yamahas on p10 & 11....
Guys at ktm must be feeling moist about their newest acquisition.

Indeed.  My guess is dragging a trail like a snail wherever they go.  Also confirmed Miguel Oliviera to Tech 3 KTM.

What would Yamaha pay to get the Tech 3 secret making their Yamaha grip, while factory bike seems to not have developed 1 bit since last year this time? 

In other news....

What a lap by Zarco to put that Yamaha on the front row, same goes for Crutchlow’s lap!


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Crutchlow was poetry in motion.  Just wow!  Fastest lap ever on Jerez as well.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on May 05, 2018, 06:56:01 pm
Did I hear talk that Lorenzo might be parting ways with Ducati or what did the commentator say there ?

Where would he go ? I don’t see any good seats still available anywhere.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 05, 2018, 09:51:07 pm
Dunno 'bout you lot but Crutchlow comes across as a bit of a wanker to me .............. as an Englishman, he's got no idea how to use his own language.

Every time he speaks I just shakes me head.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 06, 2018, 02:48:49 pm
MM the best full stop. How was that save on the gravel  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 06, 2018, 09:58:21 pm
MM the best full stop. How was that save on the gravel  :o

Fantastic talent, but also has too many of these "saves" and too many crashes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2018, 05:56:59 am
I cannot believe Yamaha, factory no less, have made ZERO improvements to their traction problems since last year!  This must be the worst I have seen Yamaha since I started watching.  SIES!

Then again, perhaps Yamaha is eating a pie they baked themselves.  While Honda nd Ducati provides customer bikes, Yamaha does not.  While Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from the manufacturers of the single ECU manufacturer, Yamaha didn't.  While Honda and Ducati have deals (we will give you one full factory spec bike in exchange for your telemetry) with their satellite teams Yamaha don't see the need.  Imagine what they could have done with the info from Zarco's bike?


Did I hear talk that Lorenzo might be parting ways with Ducati or what did the commentator say there ?

Where would he go ? I don’t see any good seats still available anywhere.

It is a hot rumour that's been going on for a few weeks now.  Probably some truth in it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 07, 2018, 06:47:20 am
Poor Dani Pedrosa is becoming the Kenny of Southpark.  2 Weeks ago Zarco killed Kenny, this time around the Ducatis killed Kenny...  all good for oupa - getting a 5th instead of a 8/9th
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on May 07, 2018, 08:30:57 am
Looking forward to the next "Dear George" edition, Dovi was seriously upset and rightly so!!

What was Binder's problem? Tires? He seemed to have a lot of movement early in the race, but I was braaing so I could't hear the commentary.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 07, 2018, 09:52:36 am
Dunno 'bout you lot but Crutchlow comes across as a bit of a wanker to me .............. as an Englishman, he's got no idea how to use his own language.

Every time he speaks I just shakes me head.

Yip agree - Cal's a bit of a toss  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 07, 2018, 10:34:03 am
Did I hear talk that Lorenzo might be parting ways with Ducati or what did the commentator say there ?

Where would he go ? I don’t see any good seats still available anywhere.

I heard he was going to Suzuki.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: weskus on May 07, 2018, 10:58:31 am
Dunno 'bout you lot but Crutchlow comes across as a bit of a wanker to me .............. as an Englishman, he's got no idea how to use his own language.

Every time he speaks I just shakes me head.

Yip agree - Cal's a bit of a toss  ;)
Cannot agree more.. wanker.com
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on May 07, 2018, 12:23:48 pm
Did I hear talk that Lorenzo might be parting ways with Ducati or what did the commentator say there ?

Where would he go ? I don’t see any good seats still available anywhere.

I heard he was going to Suzuki.
Correct. That is where the rumors are all pointing albeit with a big salary cut....
 That Suzuki is coming together nicely now. I recon Maverick should have stayed put.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on May 07, 2018, 12:36:32 pm
The Zarco move to KTM surprised me a little. There is no doubt in my mind that MM would have blocked any possibility of Zarco being in the same team. Can you imagine.... I salivate at the thought of those 2 going at it on the same machinery.

Zarcos move to KTM is just what that factory needed. Bradley Smith in my opinion is the most overrated "paid" rider in the paddock. Again this weekend Miko Kallio beat both KTM,s regulars and has done so on all previous wildcard rides.

With the Lorenzo/Suzuki rumors doing the rounds, effectively this means that both Ducati seats are available next year as Dovi has not signed a new deal yet either. Andrea Lannone is also out of contract with Suzuki this year. Silly season for the seats left are going to be interesting.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2018, 01:02:29 pm
Race direction find cause of 3 bike crash in Jerez.

After a thorough investigation it has come to light that Pedrosa inadvertently rode Marc Marquez’ bike - which had the wrong number decals stuck on it.

Dani said “I couldn’t control it, it just kept aiming for other riders, all race long. I did my best but in the end the bike got its way, its fucking mental.”

Japanese HRC sticker putter onner Fo Kitup commented “I am so sorry for make Jorge and Dovi fall off. I put on 26 instead of 93 and tiny Spanish child make a big a crash into fast as fuck red bikes.”

Marquez, who was riding the unfamiliar bike of his team mate, uncharacteristically didn’t make contact with any other riders during the race. He is thought to be extremely upset.

[Not my work.  Copy and past and now I cannot find it again to reference]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 07, 2018, 01:05:53 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 07, 2018, 03:03:09 pm
Also surprised Zarco is going to KTM, who knows maybe he will turn things around otherwise it may be a very bad move for his career
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2018, 04:30:13 pm
I believe KTM will be fast next year. Miko Kallio was on the new upgraded bike that is not finished yet. This could be a good move.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2018, 07:38:49 pm
I believe KTM will be fast next year. Miko Kallio was on the new upgraded bike that is not finished yet. This could be a good move.

KTM is coming at MotoGP with a bang.  In the past few months:

-  Tech3 signed for factory spec bikes.  Tech3 regularly the best satellite team.  They have a great setup, big bucks and sponsorships
-  Zarco, top class rider signed to Red Bull KTM.
-  Miguel Oliviera from Red Bull KTM Moto2 to Tech3 KTM MotoGP
-  Tech3 Moto2 to change to KTM.
-  2019 will see 6 x KTM in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP.





Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Groenie on May 08, 2018, 08:12:50 am
Looking forward to the next "Dear George" edition, Dovi was seriously upset and rightly so!!

What was Binder's problem? Tires? He seemed to have a lot of movement early in the race, but I was braaing so I could't hear the commentary.

Dear George has gone south IMO. It used to funny, but now it's just profanities thought up by some bored Aussie. The humor has gone
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 08, 2018, 08:57:15 am
Looking forward to the next "Dear George" edition, Dovi was seriously upset and rightly so!!

What was Binder's problem? Tires? He seemed to have a lot of movement early in the race, but I was braaing so I could't hear the commentary.

Dear George has gone south IMO. It used to funny, but now it's just profanities thought up by some bored Aussie. The humor has gone

Glad I'm not the only one.

I read the first one, and never bothered again.

Some opportunist having a moment in the spotlight at the expense of a GP racer
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bensien on May 08, 2018, 09:36:17 am
Rossi behaved just as badly as MM at the same age if not worse. Marquez has never kicked at anyone. Marquez keeps his mouth shut and talks on the track. I also believe MM has never run anyone wide off the track just to be vindictive ( A Rossi admit-ion) and done to Giberneau. Rossi s has a problem with his temper and self control he is also famous for Kicking off the track maybe he will become known as Kick box Rossi. His great personality and talent has helped him through a lot of shit. MM is just an out and out racer. maybe you should read what the other riders had to say about the incident they are the ones that really count then read what they had to say about the  kick or run wide incident.

What is the common denominator in all the MotoGP feuds over the last 12 years
Rossi end Elias
Rossi and Gebernau
Rossi and Biaggi
Rossi and Stoner
Rossi and Marquez
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 08, 2018, 10:30:49 am
Rossi behaved just as badly as MM at the same age if not worse. Marquez has never kicked at anyone. Marquez keeps his mouth shut and talks on the track. I also believe MM has never run anyone wide off the track just to be vindictive ( A Rossi admit-ion) and done to Giberneau. Rossi s has a problem with his temper and self control he is also famous for Kicking off the track maybe he will become known as Kick box Rossi. His great personality and talent has helped him through a lot of shit. MM is just an out and out racer. maybe you should read what the other riders had to say about the incident they are the ones that really count then read what they had to say about the  kick or run wide incident.

What is the common denominator in all the MotoGP feuds over the last 12 years
Rossi end Elias
Rossi and Gebernau
Rossi and Biaggi
Rossi and Stoner
Rossi and Marquez

Very true - typical of a hyper competitive racer with a massive ego  :thumleft: ( coming from a big 46 fan  ;) )
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 08, 2018, 11:05:58 am
If Rossi had just accepted Marquez apology and told him what happened was unacceptable in the future. Something like Stoner did to him in almost identical situation instead of sending out his big idiot boy imagine the respect he would have gained from everyone including people who are not Rossi fans. Why did he not learn from the Stoner incident.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 08, 2018, 11:08:33 am
If Rossi had just accepted Marquez apology and told him what happened was unacceptable in the future. Something like Stoner did to him in almost identical situation instead of sending out his big idiot boy imagine the respect he would have gained from everyone including people who are not Rossi fans. Why did he not learn from the Stoner incident.

Because he is a prima donna
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2018, 11:22:16 am
Looking forward to the next "Dear George" edition, Dovi was seriously upset and rightly so!!

What was Binder's problem? Tires? He seemed to have a lot of movement early in the race, but I was braaing so I could't hear the commentary.

Dear George has gone south IMO. It used to funny, but now it's just profanities thought up by some bored Aussie. The humor has gone

+1
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2018, 11:39:33 am
Looking forward to the next "Dear George" edition, Dovi was seriously upset and rightly so!!

What was Binder's problem? Tires? He seemed to have a lot of movement early in the race, but I was braaing so I could't hear the commentary.

Front tyre issue.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2018, 11:43:58 am
Rossi behaved just as badly as MM at the same age if not worse. Marquez has never kicked at anyone. Marquez keeps his mouth shut and talks on the track. I also believe MM has never run anyone wide off the track just to be vindictive ( A Rossi admit-ion) and done to Giberneau. Rossi s has a problem with his temper and self control he is also famous for Kicking off the track maybe he will become known as Kick box Rossi. His great personality and talent has helped him through a lot of shit. MM is just an out and out racer. maybe you should read what the other riders had to say about the incident they are the ones that really count then read what they had to say about the  kick or run wide incident.

What is the common denominator in all the MotoGP feuds over the last 12 years
Rossi end Elias
Rossi and Gebernau
Rossi and Biaggi
Rossi and Stoner
Rossi and Marquez

Very true - typical of a hyper competitive racer with a massive ego  :thumleft: ( coming from a big 46 fan  ;) )

This is exactly why Rossi is still the GOAT.  Even when MM screws up, he is compared to the Greatest Of All Time.

Someday, maybe in the future, MGP fans will be able to talk about MM's great achievements, including his brain fade moments without referencing VR.  That day, MM may well also be a legend, even take the title of GOAT.  . 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on May 08, 2018, 12:00:04 pm
Sundays race shocked me a bit by how useless the officials were.
After the pileup they were all busy trying to pick up the two Dukakis instead of trying to get Pedrosas bike out of harms way and there were a few close calls.
AND afterwards no one thought about taking a broom and sweeping that corner where MM nearly went down.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 08, 2018, 01:07:40 pm

Pedrosa sent flying off his bike in MotoGP crash
Play Video
 
He added: ”I was the first to accept what happened and I apologised, like what happened in Jerez, it happened in Argentina.

“In Jerez the three have been gentlemen.

"Three riders crashed out that were competing for the world championship but they kept control and accepted that this can happen.

“It doesn't go any further although nobody is happy.

"A lot of people, riders, try to use their status and name for their benefit but this is not good for motorcycling."


Marquez now has a dig at Valentino.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2018, 01:40:02 pm

Pedrosa sent flying off his bike in MotoGP crash
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He added: ”I was the first to accept what happened and I apologised, like what happened in Jerez, it happened in Argentina.

“In Jerez the three have been gentlemen.

"Three riders crashed out that were competing for the world championship but they kept control and accepted that this can happen.

“It doesn't go any further although nobody is happy.

"A lot of people, riders, try to use their status and name for their benefit but this is not good for motorcycling."


Marquez now has a dig at Valentino.

I am not in the habit to post quote upon quote, or link after link as I prefer to talk to a fellow WD instead of the Internet, but in this case I will make an exception.

Hmmmm, not quite so "we are all happy and content".  Perhaps because when Rossi says something it makes huge news and everone pounces?  There was / is quite a bit of the blame game going around. 

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Honda rider Dani Pedrosa has called for “more respect” from MotoGP's race direction in the aftermath of his collision with Jorge Lorenzo in the Spanish Grand Prix.

Lorenzo had been forced wide by Ducati teammate Andrea Dovizioso at the Turn 6 right-hander and cut back to reclaim position, only to clash with Pedrosa, was trying to pass the two bikes on the inside.

The resulting incident eliminated all three riders from the race, with Pedrosa suffering a particularly nasty crash as he was thrown into the air from his bike.

The FIM stewards looked into the crash but announced shortly after the race concluded that they would be taking no further action.

Speaking to the media afterwards, Pedrosa aired his grievances with the stewards' decision-making, and argued he was not treated correctly when he came to race direction to discuss the matter.

“I went there, to speak with race direction, because I want to understand them,” he said.

“We start asking. Okay, so I was in the inside, I was in the correct line of the track? Yes. They [the Ducatis] were outside, they were coming back from the mistake, so they were rejoining the correct line of the track? Yes.

“So when you are in the line, who has the preference, the guy who is inside or the guy who is outside? The guy who is inside. Okay, then, whose fault? 'Okay, well we already take our decision'.

“I want them to understand correctly what is happening on the track, because they don't.

“Most important is, sometimes they don't face things. I barely can walk, and I went there, and Mr. Mike Webb [race director] didn't even want to join the meeting, and he was next door.


https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-wants-more-respect-from-race-direction-1034469/

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/135840/dovizioso-blames-lorenzo-and-pedrosa-for-crash

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 08, 2018, 01:45:20 pm
Sundays race shocked me a bit by how useless the officials were.
After the pileup they were all busy trying to pick up the two Dukakis instead of trying to get Pedrosas bike out of harms way and there were a few close calls.
AND afterwards no one thought about taking a broom and sweeping that corner where MM nearly went down.

It was rather amateurish.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 08, 2018, 04:12:37 pm
I believe KTM will be fast next year. Miko Kallio was on the new upgraded bike that is not finished yet. This could be a good move.

KTM is coming at MotoGP with a bang.  In the past few months:

-  Tech3 signed for factory spec bikes.  Tech3 regularly the best satellite team.  They have a great setup, big bucks and sponsorships
-  Zarco, top class rider signed to Red Bull KTM.
-  Miguel Oliviera from Red Bull KTM Moto2 to Tech3 KTM MotoGP
-  Tech3 Moto2 to change to KTM.
-  2019 will see 6 x KTM in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP.
Great bit that still does not mean a bike that is normally at the back of the grid is now going to be a championship contender
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 08, 2018, 08:25:27 pm
Rossi behaved just as badly as MM at the same age if not worse. Marquez has never kicked at anyone. Marquez keeps his mouth shut and talks on the track. I also believe MM has never run anyone wide off the track just to be vindictive ( A Rossi admit-ion) and done to Giberneau. Rossi s has a problem with his temper and self control he is also famous for Kicking off the track maybe he will become known as Kick box Rossi. His great personality and talent has helped him through a lot of shit. MM is just an out and out racer. maybe you should read what the other riders had to say about the incident they are the ones that really count then read what they had to say about the  kick or run wide incident.

What is the common denominator in all the MotoGP feuds over the last 12 years
Rossi end Elias
Rossi and Gebernau
Rossi and Biaggi
Rossi and Stoner
Rossi and Marquez

This is because Rossi has been around the top for so long, of your list only MM is still racing. :imaposer:

Tall trees, you know......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on May 09, 2018, 09:00:11 am
I found this amusing...

www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-dickhead-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Antonie on May 09, 2018, 10:17:51 am
I found this amusing...

www.motorcyclealliance.com.au/youre-a-dickhead-george-jerez-motogp-report-with-tug-mcclutchin/
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 09, 2018, 10:56:09 am
The Zarco move to KTM surprised me a little. There is no doubt in my mind that MM would have blocked any possibility of Zarco being in the same team. Can you imagine.... I salivate at the thought of those 2 going at it on the same machinery.

Zarcos move to KTM is just what that factory needed. Bradley Smith in my opinion is the most overrated "paid" rider in the paddock. Again this weekend Miko Kallio beat both KTM,s regulars and has done so on all previous wildcard rides.

With the Lorenzo/Suzuki rumors doing the rounds, effectively this means that both Ducati seats are available next year as Dovi has not signed a new deal yet either. Andrea Lannone is also out of contract with Suzuki this year. Silly season for the seats left are going to be interesting.


Zarco is too French for the Repsol team. Repsol wants Spanish riders and there is enough of them to choose from
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 09, 2018, 11:16:24 am
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 09, 2018, 12:34:14 pm
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.

Yep.  Have to agree.  They have won 15 MGP championships by 6 riders over the years.  Two were Spanish.  Crivillé and Marquez.

I believe KTM will be fast next year. Miko Kallio was on the new upgraded bike that is not finished yet. This could be a good move.

KTM is coming at MotoGP with a bang.  In the past few months:

-  Tech3 signed for factory spec bikes.  Tech3 regularly the best satellite team.  They have a great setup, big bucks and sponsorships
-  Zarco, top class rider signed to Red Bull KTM.
-  Miguel Oliviera from Red Bull KTM Moto2 to Tech3 KTM MotoGP
-  Tech3 Moto2 to change to KTM.
-  2019 will see 6 x KTM in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP.

Great bit that still does not mean a bike that is normally at the back of the grid is now going to be a championship contender

No, of course not, but even if KTM does not improve, at worst Zarco has lost 2 years of his career and he is still young.

The signs that KTM will be very competitive soon, even as soon as next year is there though.  This past weekend Mika Kallio finished 10th.  That was their best result yet, but the interesting (even amazing) thing was that he was already riding the prototype of the 2019 bike.  No other manufacturer are even close to having a 2019 bike available yet.  Mika finished 19.4s behind MM.  Last year, the best KTM finished 48s behind the winner.  This years winner was 4s faster than last year's winner.  One swallow and all that, but I can see KTM becoming a rather large jackal in the pigeon coop soon.

Why KTM according to Zarco?

-  Yamaha:  No factory ride available and total uncertainty if there will be a satellite team.
-  Honda:  Share the garage with MM.  Considered not a good choice at this stage as the #2 rider type issue would certainly exist.
-  Suzuki:  Bad blood as Suzuki screwed them around a season or so ago and Zarco feels he doesn't want to ride with them.
-  Ducati:  Unlikely to make the factory team and not interested to ride a satellite Ducati.
-  Aprilia:  Aprilia who?
-  KTM:  Best option for the next two years in terms of the development going into the bikes.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 09, 2018, 01:49:23 pm
I agree.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 09, 2018, 06:25:09 pm
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.

If Repsol could find the talent, it will be Spanish, but in the past there were always better non-Spanish riders around, which left them no choice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 10, 2018, 09:50:39 am
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.

If Repsol could find the talent, it will be Spanish, but in the past there were always better non-Spanish riders around, which left them no choice.

Stop talking Repsol and tell me what you are doing about those M1's that perform like R6's!?   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on May 10, 2018, 02:27:32 pm
Stop talking Repsol and tell me what you are doing about those M1's that perform like R6's!?   :lol8:

@TheBear  ... here is your answer :

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/895547/1/motogp-electronics-and-acceleration (https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/895547/1/motogp-electronics-and-acceleration)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 10, 2018, 06:16:59 pm
Stop talking Repsol and tell me what you are doing about those M1's that perform like R6's!?   :lol8:

@TheBear  ... here is your answer :

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/895547/1/motogp-electronics-and-acceleration (https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/895547/1/motogp-electronics-and-acceleration)

Thanks, but I wanted 2SD  to go over there and sort them!   :lol8:

Seems Honda and Ducati spend their money wisely when they each poached a top engineer from Magneti Marelli, the manufacturers of the single ECU.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2018, 08:47:18 pm
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.

If Repsol could find the talent, it will be Spanish, but in the past there were always better non-Spanish riders around, which left them no choice.

Stop talking Repsol and tell me what you are doing about those M1's that perform like R6's!?   :lol8:

If Yamaha can qualify midfield on bikes running like R6's, wait till they sort those M1'S. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 10, 2018, 10:49:24 pm
For a company whos emblem is the tuning fork, they sure suck at it....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 11, 2018, 02:13:50 pm
Not true look back at there previous riders Aussie, American,Italian. I think they just want the most suitable riders. This is the first time they have had two Spanish riders.

If Repsol could find the talent, it will be Spanish, but in the past there were always better non-Spanish riders around, which left them no choice.

Stop talking Repsol and tell me what you are doing about those M1's that perform like R6's!?   :lol8:

If Yamaha can qualify midfield on bikes running like R6's, wait till they sort those M1'S. :pot:

Exactly my point!  Now, how long to sort them out, seeing as they have been busy for over a year now.  2025?  2031?

For a company whos emblem is the tuning fork, they sure suck at it....

Janee!  Perhaps a more appropriate logo for them would be  .....

(https://cdn.vectorjunky.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Pr%20072%20-%20TRI%20-%2016_11_10%20-%20033.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 11, 2018, 08:48:14 pm
For a company whos emblem is the tuning fork, they sure suck at it....

But that, Sir, is a piano tuning tool...... :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 11, 2018, 10:42:49 pm
C'mon, 2sd, you can do better than that ......  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 11, 2018, 11:01:42 pm
C'mon, 2sd, you can do better than that ......  ::)

I know, I was just helping Kilroy understand his tools. :pot:

Look, this Yamaha drought does not bother me so much, I have been watching GP's since the 70's and it's always one manufacturer's turn for glory.

Usually Honda or Yamaha, with the rare Suzuki or even Ducati in there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 12, 2018, 06:42:48 am
That's the truth 2SD.

I would still like to see the Honda glory boy try ride another bike. I am sure he will fail dismally.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Groenie on May 14, 2018, 09:06:09 am
For a company whos emblem is the tuning fork, they sure suck at it....

But that, Sir, is a piano tuning tool...... :thumleft:

Or a tool to set the tension on a Ducati's cam belt...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 14, 2018, 10:24:26 am
For a company whos emblem is the tuning fork, they sure suck at it....

But that, Sir, is a piano tuning tool...... :thumleft:

The current M1 is similar to a piano.  Sounds awesome, but no handling and grip.   :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 14, 2018, 01:04:46 pm
I would still like to see the Honda glory boy try ride another bike. I am sure he will fail dismally.

Let me guess...

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 14, 2018, 01:31:22 pm
I believe you can give him anything and he will win. He won the championship on  bike no one else could ride. However smart money says stay with the dream Team alla  Gardener Doohan etc. Rossi would probably have 12 championships if he stayed with Honda. They have by far won more world championships than the next best Yamaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 14, 2018, 02:32:01 pm
That's the truth 2SD.

I would still like to see the Honda glory boy try ride another bike. I am sure he will fail dismally.

I would love him to ride another bike and prove you wrong, be that as it may, everyone knows when riders change teams they don't always succeed, Like Rossi couldnt ride the Ducati? or even Lorenzo now?

Anyone who knows anything about GP will know that they also develop the bike to the rider as best they can, hence why Lorenzo is currently testing a new chassis for Ducati
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 14, 2018, 02:59:07 pm
Ah Fuzzy, I knew the Rossi to Ducati theme would surface but remember Rossi also went from being successful on a Honda and went to Yamaha only to be more successful.

Yes Rossi could not ride the Ducati because it had been developed around Stoner but the key to the problem was Ducati's stubbornness not to listen to Rossi about the develpment of the bike. At least now they are listening to Georgie boy and may actually achieve something.

Dont get me wrong with my comment about Marc, he is still one of the most talented guys in MotoGP but really don't think he has the guts to leave his sanctuary and make it at another team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 14, 2018, 03:00:30 pm
@ Bus, yes I like Rossi but I am a Pedrosa and Dovi supporter   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 14, 2018, 04:58:49 pm
Rossi as a Honda factory rider 3 years 3 world championships how can you say he was more successful with Yamaha. That does not make sense. His win ratio on the Honda was also much higher. I would go as far to say he was almost untouchable on the Honda. That is why he said he had to move was to prove it wasnt the bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: trevo on May 15, 2018, 09:10:51 am
FYI
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 15, 2018, 09:21:54 am
FYI

Only few tall timber......but they also light timber ( except Petrucci, who is more lardy  ;) )
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 15, 2018, 11:23:42 am
Ah Fuzzy, I knew the Rossi to Ducati theme would surface but remember Rossi also went from being successful on a Honda and went to Yamaha only to be more successful.

Yes Rossi could not ride the Ducati because it had been developed around Stoner but the key to the problem was Ducati's stubbornness not to listen to Rossi about the develpment of the bike. At least now they are listening to Georgie boy and may actually achieve something.

Dont get me wrong with my comment about Marc, he is still one of the most talented guys in MotoGP but really don't think he has the guts to leave his sanctuary and make it at another team.

That can't be right.  Stoner last rode a Ducati when the MGP was an 800cc class.  Rossi joined the year it became a 1000cc class.  It was a very different, newly developed bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on May 15, 2018, 11:37:58 am
HA HA HA HA HA!

I had to scroll off the screen to see Pedrosa...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 15, 2018, 12:15:02 pm
WSBK Hijack on!

During a recent press conference, Dorna stated that they are desperate to bring in some semblance of competitive racing in WSBK.  They named a long list of modified rules that were attempts to achieve this.  In general these rules worked well, but Dorna expressed their disappointment  that Jonathan Rea and the Kawasaki teams is clearly not accepting, nor understanding the issue.  They have therefore decided that from the next WSBK race at Donnington Park, to the end to the 2019 season, Jonathan Rea, regardless of where he qualified on the grid, will always start from the main street of his hometown, Ballyclare in Ireland.  Dorna believes this will give the other riders a fair chance.

Tom Sykes, Chaz Davids and Marco Melandri, immediately protested, indicating that this will actually give Rea, hometown advantage!

Hijack off!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on May 15, 2018, 06:56:04 pm
HA HA HA HA HA!

I had to scroll off the screen to see Pedrosa...

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Dwarf Puta!

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 15, 2018, 07:21:38 pm
Rossi as a Honda factory rider 3 years 3 world championships how can you say he was more successful with Yamaha. That does not make sense. His win ratio on the Honda was also much higher. I would go as far to say he was almost untouchable on the Honda. That is why he said he had to move was to prove it wasnt the bike.

Much higher??  Rossi went straight from his 3 wins at Honda to beat HRC twice in a row on Yamahas. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on May 15, 2018, 08:02:00 pm
These are always excellent...

https://soundcloud.com/the-paddock-pass-podcast
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 16, 2018, 08:19:30 am
much higher??  Rossi went straight from his 3 wins at Honda to beat HRC twice in a row on Yamahas. :thumleft:

Then he was beaten by Hayden who was definitely not in the same league as Rossi. If you look at how many GP wins he had on the Honda in those three years you will see what I mean by win ratio. He walked those three championships.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on May 16, 2018, 11:01:10 am
Ah Fuzzy, I knew the Rossi to Ducati theme would surface but remember Rossi also went from being successful on a Honda and went to Yamaha only to be more successful.

Yes Rossi could not ride the Ducati because it had been developed around Stoner but the key to the problem was Ducati's stubbornness not to listen to Rossi about the develpment of the bike. At least now they are listening to Georgie boy and may actually achieve something.

Dont get me wrong with my comment about Marc, he is still one of the most talented guys in MotoGP but really don't think he has the guts to leave his sanctuary and make it at another team.


That can't be right.  Stoner last rode a Ducati when the MGP was an 800cc class.  Rossi joined the year it became a 1000cc class.  It was a very different, newly developed bike.

2011 Rossi first season with Ducati they were still 800cc. 2012 is when they moved to 1000cc (Ducati GP11 800cc and GP12 1000cc) Stoner was the last 800cc era champion with Honda in 2011

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2018, 12:34:01 pm
Ah Fuzzy, I knew the Rossi to Ducati theme would surface but remember Rossi also went from being successful on a Honda and went to Yamaha only to be more successful.

Yes Rossi could not ride the Ducati because it had been developed around Stoner but the key to the problem was Ducati's stubbornness not to listen to Rossi about the develpment of the bike. At least now they are listening to Georgie boy and may actually achieve something.

Dont get me wrong with my comment about Marc, he is still one of the most talented guys in MotoGP but really don't think he has the guts to leave his sanctuary and make it at another team.


That can't be right.  Stoner last rode a Ducati when the MGP was an 800cc class.  Rossi joined the year it became a 1000cc class.  It was a very different, newly developed bike.

2011 Rossi first season with Ducati they were still 800cc. 2012 is when they moved to 1000cc (Ducati GP11 800cc and GP12 1000cc) Stoner was the last 800cc era champion with Honda in 2011

 :thumleft:

 :thumleft:

Thanks.  Memory deserted me.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2018, 12:42:28 pm
Dorna to bring in new rules basically banning a thingamabob device sitting between many of the sensors, such as the gyroscope, on a MotoGP bike.  It is believed, but impossible to prove, that some teams are programming these to overcome the limitations caused by the single unified Dorma supplied ECU.  Whispering suggests that this is why one bike specifically seems so much faster than all the rest.   Would be interesting to see where this will go.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on May 16, 2018, 01:05:43 pm
Dorna to bring in new rules basically banning a thingamabob device sitting between many of the sensors, such as the gyroscope, on a MotoGP bike.  It is believed, but impossible to prove, that some teams are programming these to overcome the limitations caused by the single unified Dorma supplied ECU.  Whispering suggests that this is why one bike specifically seems so much faster than all the rest.   Would be interesting to see where this will go.
I think if you want to look at people finding ways to bend the rules it is motorsport, has always been like this. Innovative f..ckers. Ha ha.

I remember when a mate's father used to race the Total Sport 2000 series, you would sometimes see cars get trailered away between races......not sure why....hehe.

F1 in the 80's etc etc. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2018, 02:00:06 pm
Dorna to bring in new rules basically banning a thingamabob device sitting between many of the sensors, such as the gyroscope, on a MotoGP bike.  It is believed, but impossible to prove, that some teams are programming these to overcome the limitations caused by the single unified Dorma supplied ECU.  Whispering suggests that this is why one bike specifically seems so much faster than all the rest.   Would be interesting to see where this will go.
I think if you want to look at people finding ways to bend the rules it is motorsport, has always been like this. Innovative f..ckers. Ha ha.

I remember when a mate's father used to race the Total Sport 2000 series, you would sometimes see cars get trailered away between races......not sure why....hehe.

F1 in the 80's etc etc.

Janee!  Cheating will always be with us and with modern electronics it becomes more and more difficult to manage it, or catch them out.  When I was still a scrutineer at regional bike racing, we sometimes had the bikes swop ECU's.  So, in the 250 class we had all the bikes of the same make swop ECU's.  Interesting how that impacted on some bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 17, 2018, 12:21:40 pm
So Rins just signed with Suzuki for 2 years.. Im happy for him considering he cant stay on 2 wheels in a race. .. I wonder if Lorenzo will be joining him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 17, 2018, 12:28:27 pm
At one point there was also quite a bit of chatter about Jonathan Rea going to Suzuki in MotoGP.

Dorna was said to have thought that this move would not only bring Suzuki closer to the front in MotoGP, but also allow a few other riders to possibly win a race in World SBK.

But the Lorenzo talk was also after that, so that appears to be the latest skinner.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2018, 02:18:27 pm
At one point there was also quite a bit of chatter about Jonathan Rea going to Suzuki in MotoGP.

Dorna was said to have thought that this move would not only bring Suzuki closer to the front in MotoGP, but also allow a few other riders to possibly win a race in World SBK.

But the Lorenzo talk was also after that, so that appears to be the latest skinner.

Jonatha Rea indicated that he had no interest to move to MGP at this stage.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 17, 2018, 03:37:13 pm
I thought from and manufacturer's point of view, the idea is to go faster than the other team? :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2018, 10:41:35 pm
I thought from and manufacturer's point of view, the idea is to go faster than the other team? :biggrin:

If you use faster as in quicker laptimes, then yes. When the Ducatis were at their quickest, topspeed wise, often they had slower laptimes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on May 18, 2018, 11:19:55 am
Rossi as a Honda factory rider 3 years 3 world championships how can you say he was more successful with Yamaha. That does not make sense. His win ratio on the Honda was also much higher. I would go as far to say he was almost untouchable on the Honda. That is why he said he had to move was to prove it wasnt the bike.

The one championship was Biaggi's to lose, and yes Biaggi lost it through his stupidity and crashing so many times while leading ... you don't have to lead every corner of every race ... no race craft on Biaggi's part
The one championship he won with Michelin's when they used to ship special Rossi tyres overnight that no one else had access to , because he was Michelin's poster boy
The one championship he won racing against underpowered two strokes when they were doing the transition from 2's to 4's

He is a bloody good rider but he has had a lot of luck fall on his lap as well ... I guess that's the case with most great riders
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on May 18, 2018, 01:33:46 pm
Being a Repsol Honda nut

ill share that MM came out onto the track with the new Honda Aero package.. im not sure i like the look but it will grow on me.

Check out the new dynamic fairing on the Honda this Sunday.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on May 18, 2018, 01:37:46 pm
Desmo Dovi just signed another 2 years with Ducati

This is great news. I really enjoy him
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 18, 2018, 02:20:04 pm
Being a Repsol Honda nut

ill share that MM came out onto the track with the new Honda Aero package.. im not sure i like the look but it will grow on me.

Check out the new dynamic fairing on the Honda this Sunday.
Pics where ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on May 18, 2018, 03:00:31 pm
Hmmmm, looked what arrived today.....

I am kak excited!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 18, 2018, 05:54:09 pm
Rossi as a Honda factory rider 3 years 3 world championships how can you say he was more successful with Yamaha. That does not make sense. His win ratio on the Honda was also much higher. I would go as far to say he was almost untouchable on the Honda. That is why he said he had to move was to prove it wasnt the bike.

The one championship was Biaggi's to lose, and yes Biaggi lost it through his stupidity and crashing so many times while leading ... you don't have to lead every corner of every race ... no race craft on Biaggi's part
The one championship he won with Michelin's when they used to ship special Rossi tyres overnight that no one else had access to , because he was Michelin's poster boy
The one championship he won racing against underpowered two strokes when they were doing the transition from 2's to 4's

He is a bloody good rider but he has had a lot of luck fall on his lap as well ... I guess that's the case with most great riders


Posibly the greatest of allriders in the world, Giacomo Agostini, looks a great deal less great according to your reasoning. He competed and won many races on a MV Agusta multi against British singles.

This is how it is.  Marc Marques is in a lucky slot, as the Yamaha's are in a slump, and the Doctor is old. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 19, 2018, 08:08:00 am
The solution is simple..

Get rid of the doctor, sign Zarco and upp your game Yamaha...  but alas
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 19, 2018, 09:17:47 am
In the early days British bikes were also fast. However there were other MVs racing and other Italian brands and Honda and Yamaha were coming. Remember Mike Hailwood who some still believe was better was his main Competition in the early years. I do not believe for one moment that Marquez has hit Honda when they are in a purple patch, maybe his first 2 years when they were using the screamer engine with there own electronics. However look at were the other Honda riders have finished. Just look  at the times right now FP 2 in Le Mans.
He brought a new style of riding holding the bike upright as prossible while hanging off in certain corners. A change that other riders including Rossi admitted they have to adapt to. I just dont understand why certain people dont give him the credit he deserves. He makes great saves time and time again. He rides the bike through those sand traps like an MX bike when every one else falls as they hit the sand just look at the last race last year. I agree certain things happen that might favor you. The Biaggi mistake that let Rossi in. But also works the other way ie when Hayden won Rossi was knocked off his bike through no fault of his own when he had a 7 point lead. In the end its going to be the Stats or records that are going to decide who is the best just like other sports and right now Marquez is ahead of the game and thats a fact. Whether it continues like that we wait and see things can change a great example Tiger Woods in Golf stood to break every record in Half the time but then things went wrong. If you dont like him tough. However give him the credit he deserves and this bull that he wouldnt be able to ride another bike is just grasping at straws. I dont think he won moto 2 on a RCV or Moto 1. A rider like that will ride anything I would love to see him on a Yamaha which is well known for its sweet handling. Cructhlow who has ridden both states the Honda is a much more difficult bike to ride why would he say that when he is being paid by Honda.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Antonie on May 19, 2018, 02:50:43 pm
Oh yes Zarco. What a lap...

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on May 19, 2018, 04:54:01 pm
Hmmmm, looked what arrived today.....

I am kak excited!



Lekker, can't wait for my Catalunya tickets :biggrin:

Gooi mielies Zarco!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 19, 2018, 09:31:35 pm
In the early days British bikes were also fast. However there were other MVs racing and other Italian brands and Honda and Yamaha were coming. Remember Mike Hailwood who some still believe was better was his main Competition in the early years. I do not believe for one moment that Marquez has hit Honda when they are in a purple patch, maybe his first 2 years when they were using the screamer engine with there own electronics. However look at were the other Honda riders have finished. Just look  at the times right now FP 2 in Le Mans.
He brought a new style of riding holding the bike upright as prossible while hanging off in certain corners. A change that other riders including Rossi admitted they have to adapt to. I just dont understand why certain people dont give him the credit he deserves. He makes great saves time and time again. He rides the bike through those sand traps like an MX bike when every one else falls as they hit the sand just look at the last race last year. I agree certain things happen that might favor you. The Biaggi mistake that let Rossi in. But also works the other way ie when Hayden won Rossi was knocked off his bike through no fault of his own when he had a 7 point lead. In the end its going to be the Stats or records that are going to decide who is the best just like other sports and right now Marquez is ahead of the game and thats a fact. Whether it continues like that we wait and see things can change a great example Tiger Woods in Golf stood to break every record in Half the time but then things went wrong. If you dont like him tough. However give him the credit he deserves and this bull that he wouldnt be able to ride another bike is just grasping at straws. I dont think he won moto 2 on a RCV or Moto 1. A rider like that will ride anything I would love to see him on a Yamaha which is well known for its sweet handling. Cructhlow who has ridden both states the Honda is a much more difficult bike to ride why would he say that when he is being paid by Honda.   


Firstly, MM is incredibly talented, and fighting hungry. That no one can deny.


However, look at your post above, and listen to this; in his prime, where MM is now, Rossi would ride as hard, and beat as many opponents, WITHOUT having to ride an MX bike through a sandtrap, or having had to make

"great saves" all the time. :imaposer:

I have a feeling that MM , however exciting and good he is now, running on a fair share of luck, if one considers that every crash carries risks.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 20, 2018, 12:23:22 am
And those risks and saves can come with a terrible price. No. 58 was one of them. Freak accident but if it was not for his instinctive 'save' motogp may be different and Marc may have another challenger. Much more to add but PUI.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on May 20, 2018, 01:54:47 am
In the early days British bikes were also fast. However there were other MVs racing and other Italian brands and Honda and Yamaha were coming. Remember Mike Hailwood who some still believe was better was his main Competition in the early years. I do not believe for one moment that Marquez has hit Honda when they are in a purple patch, maybe his first 2 years when they were using the screamer engine with there own electronics. However look at were the other Honda riders have finished. Just look  at the times right now FP 2 in Le Mans.
He brought a new style of riding holding the bike upright as prossible while hanging off in certain corners. A change that other riders including Rossi admitted they have to adapt to. I just dont understand why certain people dont give him the credit he deserves. He makes great saves time and time again. He rides the bike through those sand traps like an MX bike when every one else falls as they hit the sand just look at the last race last year. I agree certain things happen that might favor you. The Biaggi mistake that let Rossi in. But also works the other way ie when Hayden won Rossi was knocked off his bike through no fault of his own when he had a 7 point lead. In the end its going to be the Stats or records that are going to decide who is the best just like other sports and right now Marquez is ahead of the game and thats a fact. Whether it continues like that we wait and see things can change a great example Tiger Woods in Golf stood to break every record in Half the time but then things went wrong. If you dont like him tough. However give him the credit he deserves and this bull that he wouldnt be able to ride another bike is just grasping at straws. I dont think he won moto 2 on a RCV or Moto 1. A rider like that will ride anything I would love to see him on a Yamaha which is well known for its sweet handling. Cructhlow who has ridden both states the Honda is a much more difficult bike to ride why would he say that when he is being paid by Honda.   


Firstly, MM is incredibly talented, and fighting hungry. That no one can deny.


However, look at your post above, and listen to this; in his prime, where MM is now, Rossi would ride as hard, and beat as many opponents, WITHOUT having to ride an MX bike through a sandtrap, or having had to make

"great saves" all the time. :imaposer:

I have a feeling that MM , however exciting and good he is now, running on a fair share of luck, if one considers that every crash carries risks.

There's been some comment, and I think fair, that the line beyond which a crash has occurred, he is still confident of riding out. And has done on multiple occasions. He's singularly moved the goalposts on what is the point that you give up and start trusting your leathers.

Look at Zarco's qualifying yesterday, he was, all in the one corner, coping with a overly compressed rear bucking the bike and screwing the chassis, whilst the front was being pushed and sliding along. It's debatable that without that beyond the line riding, this new lap record wasn't possible.

But, even if I am wrong, holy fuck, but they can ride!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on May 20, 2018, 11:59:34 am
that last corner was very interesting in the moto 3 race! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on May 20, 2018, 12:31:10 pm
In the early days British bikes were also fast. However there were other MVs racing and other Italian brands and Honda and Yamaha were coming. Remember Mike Hailwood who some still believe was better was his main Competition in the early years. I do not believe for one moment that Marquez has hit Honda when they are in a purple patch, maybe his first 2 years when they were using the screamer engine with there own electronics. However look at were the other Honda riders have finished. Just look  at the times right now FP 2 in Le Mans.
He brought a new style of riding holding the bike upright as prossible while hanging off in certain corners. A change that other riders including Rossi admitted they have to adapt to. I just dont understand why certain people dont give him the credit he deserves. He makes great saves time and time again. He rides the bike through those sand traps like an MX bike when every one else falls as they hit the sand just look at the last race last year. I agree certain things happen that might favor you. The Biaggi mistake that let Rossi in. But also works the other way ie when Hayden won Rossi was knocked off his bike through no fault of his own when he had a 7 point lead. In the end its going to be the Stats or records that are going to decide who is the best just like other sports and right now Marquez is ahead of the game and thats a fact. Whether it continues like that we wait and see things can change a great example Tiger Woods in Golf stood to break every record in Half the time but then things went wrong. If you dont like him tough. However give him the credit he deserves and this bull that he wouldnt be able to ride another bike is just grasping at straws. I dont think he won moto 2 on a RCV or Moto 1. A rider like that will ride anything I would love to see him on a Yamaha which is well known for its sweet handling. Cructhlow who has ridden both states the Honda is a much more difficult bike to ride why would he say that when he is being paid by Honda.   


Firstly, MM is incredibly talented, and fighting hungry. That no one can deny.


However, look at your post above, and listen to this; in his prime, where MM is now, Rossi would ride as hard, and beat as many opponents, WITHOUT having to ride an MX bike through a sandtrap, or having had to make

"great saves" all the time. :imaposer:

I have a feeling that MM , however exciting and good he is now, running on a fair share of luck, if one considers that every crash carries risks.

There's been some comment, and I think fair, that the line beyond which a crash has occurred, he is still confident of riding out. And has done on multiple occasions. He's singularly moved the goalposts on what is the point that you give up and start trusting your leathers.

Look at Zarco's qualifying yesterday, he was, all in the one corner, coping with a overly compressed rear bucking the bike and screwing the chassis, whilst the front was being pushed and sliding along. It's debatable that without that beyond the line riding, this new lap record wasn't possible.

But, even if I am wrong, holy fuck, but they can ride!

completely agree, MM is always lookimg like he's about to bin it!  how he keeps it upright after is amazing.  i do think he could be a little more cautious when it comes to bashing other riders in his haste to get to the front.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: kfc4unme on May 20, 2018, 12:48:36 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kerritz on May 20, 2018, 12:50:33 pm
Ja that was something special....how he kept it upright only he knows but well done.  :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on May 20, 2018, 01:25:50 pm
Special indeed, even had his feet off the pegs at the start of the launch, Moto 3 is very exciting to watch
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 20, 2018, 10:41:29 pm
Bit of a disaster for Desmo Dovi, in any case MM looked liked he had it in hand no matter who crashed out
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on May 20, 2018, 10:46:41 pm
Desmo Dovi,

It looked like Dovi was surprized by what happened as if the front wheel locked up without him causing it.
Zarco I could not believe what happened. Home track and he overcooked it and ample space to go wide, why drop it?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 21, 2018, 08:04:33 am
However, look at your post above, and listen to this; in his prime, where MM is now, Rossi would ride as hard, and beat as many opponents, WITHOUT having to ride an MX bike through a sandtrap, or having had to make

I agree it is what Ive been trying to say. By the way Rossi was the first to ride through the sand to overtake and even did it to Marquez once. besides the Corkscrew.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2018, 08:05:51 am
To me it looked like Dovi went into the corner too fast and was trying to turn the front in, too little grip and too much lean angle.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 21, 2018, 09:26:00 am
To me it looked like Dovi went into the corner too fast and was trying to turn the front in, too little grip and too much lean angle.

Jip, its like that  ;) MM wickedly fast again and crasher Iannone will soon find himself in no man's land.Think moment also too big for Zarco.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2018, 10:47:17 am


Gooi mielies Zarco!!

He misunderstood you, so he gooiéd the Yamaha instead of mielies.   >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2018, 10:50:47 am
Congrats for the Saffers are in order:

-  Darryn finished 11th.  His best this season.  It seems the Moto 3 KTM's are receivig new engines and exhausts which makes them much more competitive, looking at the results from the last two races.  Hopefully the RedBull team is next inline for the upgrades.
-  Brad finished 9th.  Not as good as we expect, but the KTM's were a tad donkey like on this track and he lost some time and places when he avoided running over a faller.
-  Steven Odendaal: Finished 17th in Moto2.  His best so far and close to making his first points.
-  Sheridan Morias confirmed that he will ride Kenan Sofoglu's Kawasaki for the next 6 races this season, after which further decision to be taken.
-  Sheridan for spending a weekend testing a Moto2 bike which may indicate a ride next year.




The solution is simple..

Get rid of the doctor, sign Zarco and upp your game Yamaha...  but alas

Not that simple at all. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on May 21, 2018, 02:05:39 pm
Zarco I could not believe what happened. Home track and he overcooked it and ample space to go wide, why drop it?

He says he wasn't going to accept finishing 5th ... he went with the racer's mentality ... win it or bin it
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2018, 02:13:28 pm
Zarco I could not believe what happened. Home track and he overcooked it and ample space to go wide, why drop it?

He says he wasn't going to accept finishing 5th ... he went with the racer's mentality ... win it or bin it

I can understand his thought, but he could have won and he is in the running for the championship. so a teensy bit of patience may well have made a huge difference. 

He is off my Christmas card list as he royally screwed my Superbru! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gerrard on May 21, 2018, 02:20:09 pm
Had a nice lazy boring Sunday so in a long time I watched the GP again. Most enjoyable
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 21, 2018, 03:34:45 pm
However, look at your post above, and listen to this; in his prime, where MM is now, Rossi would ride as hard, and beat as many opponents, WITHOUT having to ride an MX bike through a sandtrap, or having had to make

I agree it is what Ive been trying to say. By the way Rossi was the first to ride through the sand to overtake and even did it to Marquez once. besides the Corkscrew.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 23, 2018, 02:39:03 pm
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/marc-freak

Marquez A Freak: Interesting article
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 24, 2018, 08:10:41 pm
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/marc-freak

Marquez A Freak: Interesting article

MM is a huge talent, but I believe he simply has a sweet Honda, like Doohan in the nineties, that works for him.

Every once in a while you get this magical sweet combo of talented rider and exact-fitting machine.

No magic here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 25, 2018, 11:48:51 am
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/marc-freak

Marquez A Freak: Interesting article

MM is a huge talent, but I believe he simply has a sweet Honda, like Doohan in the nineties, that works for him.

Every once in a while you get this magical sweet combo of talented rider and exact-fitting machine.

No magic here.

Agreed.  No freakishness, nor magic.  A very, VERY good rider with a bike that works extremely well for him.  I have no doubt that MM and this Honda is unbeatable (unless he breaks an important body part).  I am not sure he will be as devastating on another bike.  Still great, for sure.  Still a possible world champion?  Yes.  As devastating?  Not sure at all.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 25, 2018, 12:56:42 pm
I think that MM is actually THAT guy that can break all the records.....He is in my opinion the next level Rossi!

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/marc-freak

Marquez A Freak: Interesting article

MM is a huge talent, but I believe he simply has a sweet Honda, like Doohan in the nineties, that works for him.

Every once in a while you get this magical sweet combo of talented rider and exact-fitting machine.

No magic here.

Agreed.  No freakishness, nor magic.  A very, VERY good rider with a bike that works extremely well for him.  I have no doubt that MM and this Honda is unbeatable (unless he breaks an important body part).  I am not sure he will be as devastating on another bike.  Still great, for sure.  Still a possible world champion?  Yes.  As devastating?  Not sure at all.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 25, 2018, 01:27:32 pm
Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on May 25, 2018, 02:51:09 pm
Rumblings are that Lorenzo will be leaving Ducati. In the words of the Ducati boss "There is no point in continuing if nothing is going to change"

After Mugello is when an announcement is due to be made... More interesting is where is he going to go as Suzuki have all but signed up Muir for 2019
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 25, 2018, 02:51:53 pm
Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

@ Bus, yes I like Rossi but I am a Pedrosa and Dovi supporter   :thumleft:

Not at all, posted moons ago
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 25, 2018, 07:10:43 pm
Well, I support Rossi coz he's old ................. and the day Crutchlow learns to speak English, is the day I'll support him  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 25, 2018, 07:30:28 pm
Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

No coincidence at all. As longtime Rossi supporters we can talk with authority on the subject of brilliance and special. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on May 25, 2018, 08:11:39 pm
Well, I support Rossi coz he's old ................. and the day Crutchlow learns to speak English, is the day I'll support him  :thumleft:

No change of support on the horizon, I'm afraid  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 25, 2018, 08:22:10 pm
I think that MM is actually THAT guy that can break all the records.....He is in my opinion the next level Rossi!

I don't want to take away from his success, nor from the fact that he is a very, very good rider in any way.  He is most certainly  a great rider and we may well, in time remember him as one of the greatest and possibly even the greatest.  While he will equal or break may, if not most records, to be considered "next level" Rossi he needs to equal and exceed some of Rossi's special records and there he may struggle.   

One he cannot break anymore, i.e. World Champion in 2nd year 125GP.  He did however equal Rossi in the intermediate class, albeit Rossi on a 250GP bike and MM on a Moto2, but both was world champion in their 2nd year. 

Of course, his MotoGP career so far is legendary and if he can steer clear of injury, he will go on to break many record.  For me, personally, he needs to win the championship with more than one manufacturer as well.

Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Everyone who says Marc is special, seem to be staunch Marquez supporters.

Coincidence?

The only one who reads "Marc is a great rider, but ...." as anti-Marc is not even a bike, but a Bus!   :peepwall: :imaposer:



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 26, 2018, 10:03:27 am
Look I don`t want to take anything away from Rossi because he definately has a big following and rightly so. He has a great personality and is a big pluspoint to the sport. I just honestly think that MM is actually a better racer, albeit it a 7.5% or so!

I think that MM is actually THAT guy that can break all the records.....He is in my opinion the next level Rossi!

I don't want to take away from his success, nor from the fact that he is a very, very good rider in any way.  He is most certainly  a great rider and we may well, in time remember him as one of the greatest and possibly even the greatest.  While he will equal or break may, if not most records, to be considered "next level" Rossi he needs to equal and exceed some of Rossi's special records and there he may struggle.   

One he cannot break anymore, i.e. World Champion in 2nd year 125GP.  He did however equal Rossi in the intermediate class, albeit Rossi on a 250GP bike and MM on a Moto2, but both was world champion in their 2nd year. 

Of course, his MotoGP career so far is legendary and if he can steer clear of injury, he will go on to break many record.  For me, personally, he needs to win the championship with more than one manufacturer as well.

Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Everyone who says Marc is special, seem to be staunch Marquez supporters.

Coincidence?

The only one who reads "Marc is a great rider, but ...." as anti-Marc is not even a bike, but a Bus!   :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2018, 08:12:21 pm
Offroad fanatics, I agree that MM is a better racer than Rossi is, in the current situation, as Rossi is well and truly over the best time for a MotoGP rider while MM is in his prime.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Ganjora on May 26, 2018, 09:01:09 pm
as Rossi is well and truly over the best time for a MotoGP rider while MM is in his prime.

 You know,  i have given this a lot of thought.
Racers lose it,  generally,  in 2 circumstances.
They get hurt really badly and get scared,  or they get married.
Casey got married,  and that was that.
Brilliant rider,  but utterly personalityless.
Gimme Vale,  i love gays.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 26, 2018, 10:18:31 pm
as Rossi is well and truly over the best time for a MotoGP rider while MM is in his prime.

 You know,  i have given this a lot of thought.
Racers lose it,  generally,  in 2 circumstances.
They get hurt really badly and get scared,  or they get married.
Casey got married,  and that was that.
Brilliant rider,  but utterly personalityless.
Gimme Vale,  i love gays.


The vast majority of MotoGP fans seem to agree with you. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: FanieKrismis on May 26, 2018, 10:27:10 pm
i love gays.

Yes, it shows.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 27, 2018, 08:38:11 am
as Rossi is well and truly over the best time for a MotoGP rider while MM is in his prime.

You know,  i have given this a lot of thought.
Racers lose it,  generally,  in 2 circumstances.
They get hurt really badly and get scared,  or they get married.
Casey got married,  and that was that.
Brilliant rider,  but utterly personalityless.
Gimme Vale,  i love gays.

That was the best bit .................  :thumleft: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 27, 2018, 01:28:27 pm
I have never seen a rider like MM in my life.  Been watching since mid 80s

He is in a league of his own.

Raw aggression mixed with front running concentration abilities.  Any other skills too.  He simply is special.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 27, 2018, 03:03:01 pm
I have never seen a rider like MM in my life.  Been watching since mid 80s

He is in a league of his own.

Raw aggression mixed with front running concentration abilities.  Any other skills too.  He simply is special.


I have thought this over, and looking back, there are a number of these "special" racers I can think of.

Joey Dunlop, Ago, Doohan, Rainey, Roberts snr, Valentino, all at their time being dubbed "special", and indeed they were, just like MM is now.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 28, 2018, 08:19:09 am
These truly gifted racers come along from time to time, and its funny that they do not come here with two of them peaking at the same time, in the same discipline.
I feel sorry for other contenders, because however good they are, they live in the shadow of the great.
I also feel that Motogp have evolved over the last couple of years to become the premier race class not only of the 2 wheel world, but also the premier soap opera of the 2 wheel world.
I do not care to watch it any more.

There is no denying the gift of MM.
But I can honestly say that VR is the greatest racer of his time.   I challenge anybody to jump into a F1 car and come within 1 sec of a factory F1 racer like he did.
Or jump into a rally or rallyx car and do what he does.

Rossi, in his peak, could (consistently) run 100% out of a bike lap after lap and his lap times would slowly frail along with tyre wear. Skill and calculated risk.
MM can consistently run 100%, with the odd 101% that either wins a race or takes him out. Skill and dumb luck.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2018, 09:37:53 am
These truly gifted racers come along from time to time, and its funny that they do not come here with two of them peaking at the same time, in the same discipline.
I feel sorry for other contenders, because however good they are, they live in the shadow of the great.
I also feel that Motogp have evolved over the last couple of years to become the premier race class not only of the 2 wheel world, but also the premier soap opera of the 2 wheel world.
I do not care to watch it any more.

There is no denying the gift of MM.
But I can honestly say that VR is the greatest racer of his time.   I challenge anybody to jump into a F1 car and come within 1 sec of a factory F1 racer like he did.
Or jump into a rally or rallyx car and do what he does.

Rossi, in his peak, could (consistently) run 100% out of a bike lap after lap and his lap times would slowly frail along with tyre wear. Skill and calculated risk.
MM can consistently run 100%, with the odd 101% that either wins a race or takes him out. Skill and dumb luck.


There are a few world Champions that have gone to F1 Agostini who statistically is the Greatest of all time and also won the Isle of man and had a short career in F1. Then the Great Mike Hailwood who left Moto GP in his prime and became a very Successful F1 racer winning many Grand Prix s. He then much later after retiring from all forms of racing got offered a last ride in the Isle of Man and won again. Then the great John Surtees 4 times 500cc World Champion Left bikes for F1 and became world champion in F1 as well. In my opinion Agostini is by far the greatest of all time he rode everything and won and left at a younger age then Rossi with the records Rossi is still trying to break. There were also less races in those days.
Marquez has won on the screamer Honda a very difficult and different Engine to the big bang or 270 degree crank they use now which gives much better traction. Those that say its the bike are grasping at straws.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 28, 2018, 09:40:18 am
Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

No coincidence at all. As longtime Rossi supporters we can talk with authority on the subject of brilliance and special. :thumleft:

I have watched Rossi since his very first 125 race.
And I was also in awe of his talent from early days.
However his personal demeanour didnt do anything for me, much like Lorenzo's lollipop bullshit.
I just never bought into it.

His records are just that: records. And they will be broken. If not by Marquez, then someone else. It's just natural progression.

Real racing fans dont give a toss about the most popular guy or who has the most fans.

It's just sad the new blood will never be acknowledged or recognized by some blinded fans because they will never be "the people's champ" or "never won on a 2 stroke 125" etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2018, 09:51:55 am
His records are just that: records. And they will be broken. If not by Marquez, then someone else. It's just natural progression.

Real racing fans dont give a toss about the most popular guy or who has the most fans.

It's just sad the new blood will never be acknowledged or recognized by some blinded fans because they will never be "the people's champ" or "never won on a 2 stroke 125" etc.
[/i

I agree well said
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 28, 2018, 10:40:48 am
Ill say this though, Rossi should have retired allready.
Yes, he can win the odd wet race or when all the top dogs are having issues.
He is not a contender for the title.

Its like that Rocky/Rambo  movies with stallone, its great watching the old ones but making another one with a pumped up 60 yr old Stallone is stupid.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: cocky on May 28, 2018, 11:02:43 am
Ill say this though, Rossi should have retired allready.
Yes, he can win the odd wet race or when all the top dogs are having issues.
He is not a contender for the title.

Its like that Rocky/Rambo  movies with stallone, its great watching the old ones but making another one with a pumped up 60 yr old Stallone is stupid.
Really now, I don't see him running in the pack, nor at the back of the field, so explain this antiquated statement please. The only real talent coming into MotoGP is Juan Mir and the jury is out on whether he ca handle the big bike. Or would you prefer it to be 3 guys on factory bikes and then a 2nd bunch of wannabe's?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on May 28, 2018, 11:03:57 am
Ill say this though, Rossi should have retired allready.
Yes, he can win the odd wet race or when all the top dogs are having issues.
He is not a contender for the title.

Its like that Rocky/Rambo  movies with stallone, its great watching the old ones but making another one with a pumped up 60 yr old Stallone is stupid.

By that statement I think we should get rid of every rider below 1st  :imaposer:

Pos.   Rider   Bike   Nation   Points
1   Marc MARQUEZ   Honda   SPA   95
2   Maverick VIÑALES   Yamaha   SPA   59
3   Johann ZARCO   Yamaha   FRA   58
4   Valentino ROSSI   Yamaha   ITA   56
5   Danilo PETRUCCI   Ducati   ITA   54
6   Jack MILLER   Ducati   AUS   49
7   Andrea IANNONE   Suzuki   ITA   47
8   Cal CRUTCHLOW   Honda   GBR   46
9   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   Ducati   ITA   46
10   Dani PEDROSA   Honda   SPA   29
11   Tito RABAT   Ducati   SPA   24
12   Alex RINS   Suzuki   SPA   22
13   Pol ESPARGARO   KTM   SPA   18
14   Jorge LORENZO   Ducati   SPA   16
15   Franco MORBIDELLI   Honda   ITA   16
16   Aleix ESPARGARO   Aprilia   SPA   13
17   Hafizh SYAHRIN   Yamaha   MAL   13
18   Alvaro BAUTISTA   Ducati   SPA   12
19   Takaaki NAKAGAMI   Honda   JPN   10
20   Mika KALLIO   KTM   FIN   6
21   Scott REDDING   Aprilia   GBR   5
22   Bradley SMITH   KTM   GBR   5
23   Karel ABRAHAM   Ducati   CZE   1
24   Thomas LUTHI   Honda   SWI   
25   Xavier SIMEON   Ducati   BEL

Rossi is still stronger than 3/4's of the lineup as far as I am concerned, if an when the yamaha catches up to the ducati's and the hondas it will be a different story for both him and maverick.

I just hope Dovi's season has a turn around.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: cocky on May 28, 2018, 11:20:22 am
Ill say this though, Rossi should have retired allready.
Yes, he can win the odd wet race or when all the top dogs are having issues.
He is not a contender for the title.

Its like that Rocky/Rambo  movies with stallone, its great watching the old ones but making another one with a pumped up 60 yr old Stallone is stupid.

By that statement I think we should get rid of every rider below 1st  :imaposer:

Pos.   Rider   Bike   Nation   Points
1   Marc MARQUEZ   Honda   SPA   95
2   Maverick VIÑALES   Yamaha   SPA   59
3   Johann ZARCO   Yamaha   FRA   58
4   Valentino ROSSI   Yamaha   ITA   56
5   Danilo PETRUCCI   Ducati   ITA   54
6   Jack MILLER   Ducati   AUS   49
7   Andrea IANNONE   Suzuki   ITA   47
8   Cal CRUTCHLOW   Honda   GBR   46
9   Andrea DOVIZIOSO   Ducati   ITA   46
10   Dani PEDROSA   Honda   SPA   29
11   Tito RABAT   Ducati   SPA   24
12   Alex RINS   Suzuki   SPA   22
13   Pol ESPARGARO   KTM   SPA   18
14   Jorge LORENZO   Ducati   SPA   16
15   Franco MORBIDELLI   Honda   ITA   16
16   Aleix ESPARGARO   Aprilia   SPA   13
17   Hafizh SYAHRIN   Yamaha   MAL   13
18   Alvaro BAUTISTA   Ducati   SPA   12
19   Takaaki NAKAGAMI   Honda   JPN   10
20   Mika KALLIO   KTM   FIN   6
21   Scott REDDING   Aprilia   GBR   5
22   Bradley SMITH   KTM   GBR   5
23   Karel ABRAHAM   Ducati   CZE   1
24   Thomas LUTHI   Honda   SWI   
25   Xavier SIMEON   Ducati   BEL

Rossi is still stronger than 3/4's of the lineup as far as I am concerned, if an when the yamaha catches up to the ducati's and the hondas it will be a different story for both him and maverick.

I just hope Dovi's season has a turn around.
Thank yu the numbers and reality, as apposed shooting from the MM93 hip scenario.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 28, 2018, 11:36:34 am
Hold your horses cowboys.
I am trying to say Rossi won many titles but now he is 39. he has and will steadily move further down the order at some time
Do you want to keep Rossi in so the cameras can focus on him while the talented riding gets less coverage,  or do you want to keep him for his cat fights with MM?
I find both options above pathetic.
I have no problem with a consistent 18th place finisher, this may well be a specific riders peak performance. Well done.
However,  watching a former champion slide down the scale is not exciting for me. I rather remember him for his heydays performances.
So relax ouens, relax...And Rossi is still there, ek is nie die Yamaha span bestuurder nie.

I hope this not another antiquated statement,  ek weet nie eers wat beteken daai 2 groot woorde nie phew...


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 28, 2018, 11:49:40 am
Looking at those standings it looks like Yamaha have the strongest bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 28, 2018, 09:06:32 pm
Everyone who says Marc is not special, and that he only has the best bike, seems to be staunch Rossi supporters.

Coincidence?

No coincidence at all. As longtime Rossi supporters we can talk with authority on the subject of brilliance and special. :thumleft:

I have watched Rossi since his very first 125 race.
And I was also in awe of his talent from early days.
However his personal demeanour didnt do anything for me, much like Lorenzo's lollipop bullshit.
I just never bought into it.

His records are just that: records. And they will be broken. If not by Marquez, then someone else. It's just natural progression.

Real racing fans dont give a toss about the most popular guy or who has the most fans.

It's just sad the new blood will never be acknowledged or recognized by some blinded fans because they will never be "the people's champ" or "never won on a 2 stroke 125" etc.

Rossi's "personal demeanour" , in fact any racer's "personal demeanour" does nothing for me either.

I has to wonder though, if Rossi's "personal demeanour" do nothing for you, what is it about MM that makes you such a fan? Or are you managing to completely ignore his "personal demeanour"?

As for Rossi, hasbeen and all, still stealing the leaders' limelight, that is unfortunately how it works. Racing fans stay away when Rossi is not there, as he is indeed Mr. MotoGP.

P.S. Perhaps you MM fans should sit down for a viewing of Brad Pitt's "Hitting the apex" to have your eyes opened about MM's long history of reckless and stupid behaviour.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2018, 08:17:14 am
Rossi's "personal demeanour" , in fact any racer's "personal demeanour" does nothing for me either.

I has to wonder though, if Rossi's "personal demeanour" do nothing for you, what is it about MM that makes you such a fan? Or are you managing to completely ignore his "personal demeanour"?

As for Rossi, hasbeen and all, still stealing the leaders' limelight, that is unfortunately how it works. Racing fans stay away when Rossi is not there, as he is indeed Mr. MotoGP.

P.S. Perhaps you MM fans should sit down for a viewing of Brad Pitt's "Hitting the apex" to have your eyes opened about MM's long history of reckless and stupid behaviour.


Rossi has a history of stupid and extremely bad behaviour as well in fact I would go so far as to say at the same age he was even more arrogant. MM is also bringing a lot to the table seldom have we seen such a courageous skilled rider, as someone else said riders like Rossi, Marquez,Agostini dont come along every day just enjoy it I love watching good skilled racing who ever the talent is. I enjoyed the battles with Rossi, Biaggi, Stoner and Lorenzo. In those days it was all about beating Rossi. Now its all about beating Marquez. Man he is exciting to watch whether your a fan or not. The sport is bigger than Rossi when he leaves other characters will come along only his fans and Rossi believe he is that important.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 29, 2018, 09:09:39 am
Perhaps I'm not such a big Marquez fan as you may think

He is head&shoulders the best of this era, but he certainly has flaws. Whether it is due to his young age or over-eagerness, I dont know.

But he is not the complete package yet. The red mist still blinds him too often.

He does some incredible things on a bike, and makes him exciting to watch. And the rest of the circus, that is why I watch MotoGP. Not to see bitch fits and needling via the media and rabid fanboys.

I certainly dont go crowing around claiming him to be the best of all time either.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on May 29, 2018, 09:47:16 am
Rossi is still miles ahead as say that Crutchslow chap :deal:

I have often wondered if Rossi would drop MotoGP and go to Super Bikes how he would fare?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on May 29, 2018, 10:18:58 am
He'd fare very well, as long as he's on a Kawasaki ................
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2018, 10:27:50 am
It would be the first time he has raced a screamer engine all his MotoGP bikes have been 270 degree cranks. If read his book when he first went to Yamaha they were testing a screamer
and he specifically told them that a 270 degree was better so thats what they gave him. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on May 29, 2018, 10:37:16 am
I also wonder IF Rossi had not left Honda and stayed with them all the time how his winnings would have looked today?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2018, 10:42:09 am
I have to agree that V5 270 degree crank was really fast. It took Hayden to a World Championship and Rossi never lost a championship while riding it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 29, 2018, 11:19:35 am
See there's some chatter around in the last day or two about Lorenzo and Marc VDS and the possibility of a tie up that would see Jorge on a satellite factory spec Yamaha in 2019.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2018, 11:32:07 am
That would be awesome I would like to see Lorenzo up front again that Ducati does not suit him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 29, 2018, 11:38:51 am
I have never seen a rider like MM in my life.  Been watching since mid 80s

He is in a league of his own.

Raw aggression mixed with front running concentration abilities.  Any other skills too.  He simply is special.


I have thought this over, and looking back, there are a number of these "special" racers I can think of.

Joey Dunlop, Ago, Doohan, Rainey, Roberts snr, Valentino, all at their time being dubbed "special", and indeed they were, just like MM is now.

+1.

We are fortunate to see MM "married" to a magical bike as well this year. Note, I am not running his abilities down in any way.  It is just that we seldom get to see such an excellent marriage between bike and rider.  This makes him poetry in motion and I cannot see him not walking the championship comfortably this year. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on May 29, 2018, 02:40:52 pm
shame the marriage of the same bike and Dani leads to his death every second weekend.  who killed Kenny :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 29, 2018, 03:10:15 pm
shame the marriage of the same bike and Dani leads to his death every second weekend.  who killed Kenny :imaposer:

Exactly, look at all the rest of those magical Hondas crowding the top standings

 ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2018, 03:49:06 pm
shame the marriage of the same bike and Dani leads to his death every second weekend.  who killed Kenny :imaposer:

Exactly, look at all the rest of those magical Hondas crowding the top standings

 ::)

Honda only has money for one "special" bike in MotoGP. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on May 29, 2018, 03:56:50 pm
:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2018, 05:52:48 pm
"Marriages" is beslis n faktor.
Dovi laasjaar goed met Duc, jorge het gesukkel.
Toe Rossi en Stoner vir Duc gery het, het stoner geshine en rossi het gesukkel.
Jorge was talked about to be the wunderkind when he moved to motogp class.
I think the pressure can be harsh up there, its not easy.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2018, 09:31:09 am
shame the marriage of the same bike and Dani leads to his death every second weekend.  who killed Kenny :imaposer:

In your uncontrolled rush to make a sarcastic reply, you completely missed an incredibly important point .  The point being that any team sets up a bike to the best of their ability to suit the rider.  In this case Honda managed to give MM a bike that suits his particular talents 100% and as such we are seeing something magical in that combination. 

This does not, in any way detract from MM's talent as I clearly stated earlier.   



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2018, 07:00:03 pm
shame the marriage of the same bike and Dani leads to his death every second weekend.  who killed Kenny :imaposer:

In your uncontrolled rush to make a sarcastic reply, you completely missed an incredibly important point .  The point being that any team sets up a bike to the best of their ability to suit the rider.  In this case Honda managed to give MM a bike that suits his particular talents 100% and as such we are seeing something magical in that combination. 

This does not, in any way detract from MM's talent as I clearly stated earlier.

Dovidioso and Lorenzo, both on "similar" Ducati's, come to mind.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on May 31, 2018, 01:17:03 pm
Mugello Ducati track:Ducati and Davidiso gave good showings here last year and it was after he won here that his challenge began. May be he can repeat last year and mount a challenge.again. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 10:36:31 am
Latest rumblings around the tracks:

Danilo Petrucci currently on a 2018 bike at Pramac Ducati Ducati Factory.
Jack Miller gets the factory ride at Pramac that was Petrucci's.
Joan Mir from M2 to Suzuki.
Andrea Iannone nobody knows exactly, but rumour states a factory team, which excludes Yamaha, Ducati, KTM and Suzuki.  Leaves only Aprilia and Honda
Jorge Lorenzo to retirement, or the satellite Yamaha team that must still be announced.

Confirmed from the track:

OEM IMU's will be outlawed from 2019 as rumour had it a few weeks ago.  This will prevent teams from cheating (if they have) by adding ECU type processing to the IMU.

Meanwhile, actually on track, FP1 for M3 just completed.  Darryn Binder placed 16th fastest, 1,6s off the fastest, Jorge Martin.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on June 01, 2018, 10:43:59 am
What’s an IMU?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 10:47:58 am
What’s an IMU?

IMU:  Inertial Measurement Unit.

It is a device that contains accelerometers, gyroscopes, etc.  These measure positions, etc. of the bike and send the info to the ECU.   In WSBK, it is no secret that they also program these to improve the ECU performance.  Dorna is concerned that some bikes in MGP also have their IMU's "doped" to influence the ECU perfromance and there is no way to check, or control, so from next year, it will also be like the ECU.  A single device supplied and sealed by Dorna.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on June 01, 2018, 11:10:32 am
What’s an IMU?

IMU:  Inertial Measurement Unit.

It is a device that contains accelerometers, gyroscopes, etc.  These measure positions, etc. of the bike and send the info to the ECU.   In WSBK, it is no secret that they also program these to improve the ECU performance.  Dorna is concerned that some bikes in MGP also have their IMU's "doped" to influence the ECU perfromance and there is no way to check, or control, so from next year, it will also be like the ECU.  A single device supplied and sealed by Dorna.


Hmmm, makes you wonder who, if anyone is making use of this.

I watched a clip last night of Schwants, Doohan and the rest on a last lap when the right wrist was their TC. I reckon they should revert back to that where it’s rider skill and not TC that wins races. Better entertainment too I think


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 11:46:57 am
What’s an IMU?

IMU:  Inertial Measurement Unit.

It is a device that contains accelerometers, gyroscopes, etc.  These measure positions, etc. of the bike and send the info to the ECU.   In WSBK, it is no secret that they also program these to improve the ECU performance.  Dorna is concerned that some bikes in MGP also have their IMU's "doped" to influence the ECU perfromance and there is no way to check, or control, so from next year, it will also be like the ECU.  A single device supplied and sealed by Dorna.


Hmmm, makes you wonder who, if anyone is making use of this.

I watched a clip last night of Schwants, Doohan and the rest on a last lap when the right wrist was their TC. I reckon they should revert back to that where it’s rider skill and not TC that wins races. Better entertainment too I think


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I am wondering as well and clearly so are the Technical Consultants at Dorna.  They seem to think, some bikes do have IMU's that are more "involved" than they should be. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 12:42:45 pm
Moto2 FP1:  Brad 16th and Steven 28th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 01, 2018, 12:51:02 pm
The Lorenzo / satellite Yamaha / Marc VDS Racing / Sepang International Circuit Racing Team  / Monster Energy story is getting more and more news coverage. Even Lin Jarvis says it could happen.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 12:56:16 pm
The Lorenzo / satellite Yamaha / Marc VDS Racing / Sepang International Circuit Racing Team  / Monster Energy story is getting more and more news coverage. Even Lin Jarvis says it could happen.

The other side of the story is that Marc VDS will be the Suzuki satellite team.  That is, if Marc VDS survives the current turmoil in the team.  But then, the rumour with Marc VDS swings between Yamaha and Suzuki faster than the sparks in the engine of a GP bike.  I have always liked the Yamaha side of the rumour for the truth because Morbidelli is with Marc VDS and Morbidelli is the first VR46 Academy rider to reach MGP and he is a good friend of Rossi.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 01, 2018, 06:29:59 pm
Pirro had a massive off in fp2. Turn 1 at speed. Dovi clocked new top record 356.7kph and lannoni quickest.

https://youtu.be/JwWrlAuIQEY
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: WrightJnr on June 01, 2018, 07:27:33 pm
ouch........

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 01, 2018, 08:37:37 pm
ouch........

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Yeah he is banged up pretty bad. Not a place you want to loose it. Brake issue of some kind. Trying to find out more info.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Brink on June 01, 2018, 08:42:28 pm
ouch........

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Yeah he is banged up pretty bad. Not a place you want to loose it. Brake issue of some kind. Trying to find out more info.

Might also be front suspension as he was very very loose moments before,,,,
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: WrightJnr on June 01, 2018, 08:53:05 pm
Really really fast into that first turn, having just made the bike unsettled in that flick flack kink. Could be he just grabbed a little too much brake...

But that went wrong very quickly. And that left arm looks bad. Hope not serious. 

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 01, 2018, 08:55:17 pm
Apparently brakes that caused it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 02, 2018, 04:32:00 am
So update is a dislocated shoulder,concussion and some heavy bruising and that's it. Lucky boy........ All other scans reveal nothing serious.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2018, 07:29:31 am
So update is a dislocated shoulder,concussion and some heavy bruising and that's it. Lucky boy........ All other scans reveal nothing serious.

Very lucky indeed! 

Ducati is not sure what caused the crash yet.  They are looking into it.

Holy moly!!!

https://www.facebook.com/MotoGP/videos/10156886995900769/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on June 02, 2018, 02:51:06 pm
MM how the Hell did he save that Bike in Qualifying? This Guy is a Wizard. That Bike was down and he recovered.  :eek7:
Well done and Good luck to Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 02, 2018, 02:51:44 pm
Rossi first pole position in 2 years

And Marc , they need to investigate his bike for gyroscopes , no way he keeps saving these front end slides
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 02, 2018, 02:58:55 pm
Why Andrea get the boot from Suzuki?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 02, 2018, 03:31:50 pm
One word......

BOOM

Old dog still got it!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2018, 03:56:16 pm
As usual, Mugello is getting ready to provide some serious racing.  Check out these qualifying times:

Moto3:  1 second cover first 20.
Moto2:  1 second covers first 21.
MotoGP:  1 second covers first 17.



Rossi first pole position in 2 years

And Marc , they need to investigate his bike for gyroscopes , no way he keeps saving these front end slides

Nice to see Rossi fly as he should be able to.  If I look at Vinales, it seems the arse kicking he and VR gave Yamaha may have worked.  Let's hope this isn't just a one swallow scenario, but that Yamaha have sorted their traction problems.

MM's bike does have gyroscopes.  They sit in the IMU's which will be banned (OEM anyway) from next year.  The kid does some amazing things with a GP bike.   Perhaps he's got a gyroscope fitted in place of his balls and said gyroscopes at least as big as the balls they had to remove to fit the gyroscopes.

Why Andrea get the boot from Suzuki?

It seems a strange decision, but he didn't do to well up to the moment it sort of became clear he would be dumped by Suzuki.  Similar to when he was at Ducati.  Seems he will do best with a team that offers him a race by race contract! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on June 02, 2018, 08:44:51 pm
So Suzuki reckon they're good enough to be at the front but their riders are slack?

I certainly don't think their riders are slacking  .........

But I'd love to see Suzuki at the front  ................................. my first bike, so my first loyalty.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2018, 10:39:31 pm
So Suzuki reckon they're good enough to be at the front but their riders are slack?

I certainly don't think their riders are slacking  .........

But I'd love to see Suzuki at the front  ................................. my first bike, so my first loyalty.

Same reason why I want to see Yamaha in the lead.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 03, 2018, 09:38:37 am
What time does the M3 start?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 03, 2018, 09:57:15 am
Moto3 start at 10H45, SS5HD. It just doesn’t show in menu if you search for Motorsport today for some reason, but’s it there in the channel search.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 03, 2018, 11:05:23 am
Ill say this though, Rossi should have retired allready.
Yes, he can win the odd wet race or when all the top dogs are having issues.
He is not a contender for the title.

Its like that Rocky/Rambo  movies with stallone, its great watching the old ones but making another one with a pumped up 60 yr old Stallone is stupid.

Rossi just broke a track record, and got pole in Mugello.

Ek meen ek se maar net oubaas. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DirtRebell on June 03, 2018, 11:43:08 am
Fantastic win for Jorge Martin on moto3.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on June 03, 2018, 01:03:18 pm
Darren Binder had a stormer! He was 4th at one stage.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on June 03, 2018, 02:10:25 pm
On Superbru I predicted Marquez was going to crash. I didn't put him in the top 10. I felt that he was chancing his arm too many times
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 03, 2018, 05:50:28 pm
Well done George...faultless race from the start.  Jeez he was good...

Think MM was trying to hard to stay with the Dukes...  they were just too fast.  Seems the Hondas are not the ‘luck dragons’ some belief?  Should just have sit back and kept VR off the podium :imaposer:

How are those Suzukis ?  In for a Kevin Schwantz year in 2019?

And BiB came 6th :thumleft: :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2018, 06:02:05 pm
Darren Binder had a stormer! He was 4th at one stage.

Janee.  He went from a 25th start to 4th, but then fell back to that group that could have you 4th of 12th, depending on how the slipstream worked for you on that monster straight.
Brad went from around 19th to 6th, not bad either
Steven earned his first championship point finishing 15th after starting 25th.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 03, 2018, 06:21:24 pm
Well done George...faultless race from the start.  Jeez he was good...

Think MM was trying to hard to stay with the Dukes...  they were just too fast.  Seems the Hondas are not the ‘luck dragons’ some belief?  Should just have sit back and kept VR off the podium :imaposer:

How are those Suzukis ?  In for a Kevin Schwantz year in 2019?

And BiB came 6th :thumleft: :deal:

Classic Jorge.......give him clear track and he can run super-consistent laps all race long. Not much of a dueller though, imo.  Nevertheless, good for him, and Dovi..........AND Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 03, 2018, 06:28:18 pm
Well done George...faultless race from the start.  Jeez he was good...

Think MM was trying to hard to stay with the Dukes...  they were just too fast.  Seems the Hondas are not the ‘luck dragons’ some belief?  Should just have sit back and kept VR off the podium :imaposer:

How are those Suzukis ?  In for a Kevin Schwantz year in 2019?

And BiB came 6th :thumleft: :deal:

Classic Jorge.......give him clear track and he can run super-consistent laps all race long. Not much of a dueller though, imo.  Nevertheless, good for him, and Dovi..........AND Rossi.

I agree - more a Wayne Gardner than a Wayne Rainey?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2018, 06:29:53 pm
Well done George...faultless race from the start.  Jeez he was good...

Think MM was trying to hard to stay with the Dukes...  they were just too fast.  Seems the Hondas are not the ‘luck dragons’ some belief?  Should just have sit back and kept VR off the podium :imaposer:

How are those Suzukis ?  In for a Kevin Schwantz year in 2019?

And BiB came 6th :thumleft: :deal:

Classic Jorge.......give him clear track and he can run super-consistent laps all race long. Not much of a dueller though, imo.  Nevertheless, good for him, and Dovi..........AND Rossi.

If the race was 1 lap longer you would have had to swop Dovi and Rossi's names. 

Nice ride by George.  Seems the new, redesigned fuel tank which allows him more leg grip is what he needed.  Those Ducatis are very, very fast.  On average 10 - 11km/h higher top speed than the rest. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 03, 2018, 08:56:43 pm
I can’t believe it took Ducati 18 months to give Jorge a fuel tank he could hook his leg onto the way he wants. Ducati are useless when it comes to listening to the rider.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2018, 09:23:29 pm
I can’t believe it took Ducati 18 months to give Jorge a fuel tank he could hook his leg onto the way he wants. Ducati are useless when it comes to listening to the rider.

That was Rossi's biggest complaint when he was there as well.  Ducati look at the telemetry and decide the bike is perfect.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 03, 2018, 09:45:54 pm
Ducati must be the most inconsistent brand in the history of GP racing. ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on June 03, 2018, 09:56:59 pm
One day when I have time I will post about ducati's and rossi' f up. Their lack to listen and why they are strong now. Fantastic raising today.

I have seen many guys save falls , 125's, 250's 500's. Motogp too , 58 was a glory boy.  93 has some amazing close to super hero saves, yes, saw something this weekend that it showed it was the bike and not the rider.(was not the save) hint hint. Anyone else see that?  :pot:
George had a fantastic race, well done to that chip.  :thumleft:a
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on June 03, 2018, 10:31:07 pm
One day when I have time I will post about ducati's and rossi' f up. Their lack to listen and why they are strong now. Fantastic raising today.

I have seen many guys save falls , 125's, 250's 500's. Motogp too , 58 was a glory boy.  93 has some amazing close to super hero saves, yes, saw something this weekend that it showed it was the bike and not the rider.(was not the save) hint hint. Anyone else see that?  :pot:
George had a fantastic race, well done to that chip.  :thumleft:a

Pls elaborate?


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:13:58 am
Could never understand why the Japanese bikes are so slow down a straight compared to the Ducati's ? Yes the Japanese have won many more championships and currently still lead so some might say it's not needed but hell imagine how much more dominant they will be with the extra top end as well. And don't tell me it's to make them more reliable, I have seen very few Ducati's DNF because of a mechanical in MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2018, 08:14:57 am
Great Race. I am so pleased to see Lorenzo back. Moto GP has missed him. Great ride by Rossi also. It seems we have 4 strong Brands with KTM coming. I believe the rest of the season is going to be a cracker. Honda must also be now looking at Lorenzo as there bike is also a V4 they would be stupid not to as he has proved he can ride one.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 08:16:38 am
I still predict a tough season for Zarco and KTM next year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on June 04, 2018, 08:43:42 am
I can’t believe it took Ducati 18 months to give Jorge a fuel tank he could hook his leg onto the way he wants. Ducati are useless when it comes to listening to the rider.


I'm going to the factory in 2 weeks, I'll tell them Sithe said they need to start listening to George :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on June 04, 2018, 09:22:11 am
Enjoyed the race  - George raced brilliantly in ideal conditions......streamlined tank, blue skies, nobody to brawl with in the corners and a very fast Duck.MM 93....hell be back, no doubt, his guardian angel just awolled for a micro second.Rossi.....he can still run with the youngsters BUT, its there to see for all,age is a bilxem - even for him  :laughing4: 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on June 04, 2018, 09:29:55 am
That was Top-Gun stuff - trying to save that slide like he did.

ALL others would have let go of the bike - not him. He just assumes he'll save it and doesn't give up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 09:55:42 am
That was Top-Gun stuff - trying to save that slide like he did.

ALL others would have let go of the bike - not him. He just assumes he'll save it and doesn't give up.
That elbow must have been on fire !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on June 04, 2018, 10:06:25 am
What amazes me is how MM kept on the throttle while sliding, you could see the spin marks as he kept trying to load the front for grip, and then the bike spun around, even MM could not save that one
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2018, 10:06:41 am
This could be a problem for Ducatti World Championship challenge if Lorenzo keeps beating Dovi. As more tracks are coming that suit the Ducatti. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 10:14:05 am
This could be a problem for Ducatti World Championship challenge if Lorenzo keeps beating Dovi. As more tracks are coming that suit the Ducatti.
Before too much praise is put on JL I reckon he will need to win a few more. Even Crutchlow got a win this year and the Aprilia is not up to par with the rest of the field and only slightly better than the KTM's it seems. I doubt a tank mod suddenly turned JL into a race winner. The track clearly suited the Ducati and his tyres were perfect, open track blah blah. Lets see going to be interesting and yes could be an own goal for Ducati  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on June 04, 2018, 10:33:02 am
What amazes me is how MM kept on the throttle while sliding, you could see the spin marks as he kept trying to load the front for grip, and then the bike spun around, even MM could not save that one

And this is the reason I am saying that he is that 7.5 % better than any other rider...even in their heydays!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2018, 11:08:42 am
I absolutely agree but with the speed of the Ducats and the sweet Handling of the Yamahas. I dont believe the Honda is as good as he makes it look. I think he has his work cut out for him this year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 11:09:52 am
Is there any Honda's racing besides MM and DP ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 04, 2018, 11:48:36 am
Crutchlow
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 11:56:18 am
Crutchlow
Ah though he was on a Aprilia
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Malmoer on June 04, 2018, 12:11:01 pm
MM is a great rider no doutd. But it is in the back of mind he's gonna run into shit same as Simonchelli did.
When SI passed he also tried to save a front end slide and with the front tire biting forced him around and into Edwards and Rossi.

Do hope that does not happen though
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 04, 2018, 12:25:48 pm
Seems like Jorge is moving on - to little, to late. It's a great pity as he's in a class of his own when in the zone.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897596/1/lorenzo-first-ducati-win-silences-critics-exit-looms

I don't think he will interfere with Dovis championship. If he does Ducati will adjust his engine power (or something).

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 04, 2018, 12:29:02 pm
Vinales/Yamaha relationship also turning sour - some hard words from him.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897599/1/vinales-lost-yamaha-promised-winning-bike
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2018, 01:02:25 pm
MM is a great rider no doutd. But it is in the back of mind he's gonna run into shit same as Simonchelli did.
When SI passed he also tried to save a front end slide and with the front tire biting forced him around and into Edwards and Rossi.


I think you grasping it straws he saves the bike more times than not it seems like at least once a weekend. He saved in practice, he saved in the last grand prix (Le Mans) and the previous in practice. His ability to hold onto the Throttle stops the big high side as Crutchlow says he is a freak of nature albeit a very skilled one. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on June 04, 2018, 01:13:23 pm
Seems like Jorge is moving on - to little, to late. It's a great pity as he's in a class of his own when in the zone.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897596/1/lorenzo-first-ducati-win-silences-critics-exit-looms

I don't think he will interfere with Dovis championship. If he does Ducati will adjust his engine power (or something).

In his interview he confirmed that he is not going to be with Ducati next year. I am paraphrasing but he said, "if I had got my parts 3 or 4 months ago and was 2 or 3 podium up, it would be different"
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2018, 01:51:28 pm
I think he must be very close to a deal with another team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 04, 2018, 01:57:04 pm
Can someone tell me why Crutchslow and his bike was in the winners paddock after the race?
He came sixth so should have been back at his garage where everyone goes that is not under the first three.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Antonie on June 04, 2018, 02:11:45 pm
Can someone tell me why Crutchslow and his bike was in the winners paddock after the race?
He came sixth so should have been back at his garage where everyone goes that is not under the first three.
AFAIK it's because he was the top bike for a satellite/private team

Edit: they have a separate championship among them

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 04, 2018, 04:23:23 pm
MM is a great rider no doutd. But it is in the back of mind he's gonna run into shit same as Simonchelli did.
When SI passed he also tried to save a front end slide and with the front tire biting forced him around and into Edwards and Rossi.


I think you grasping it straws he saves the bike more times than not it seems like at least once a weekend. He saved in practice, he saved in the last grand prix (Le Mans) and the previous in practice. His ability to hold onto the Throttle stops the big high side as Crutchlow says he is a freak of nature albeit a very skilled one.


However skilled MM is, he is onkly human. You can only get away with so much. If he carries on like this, other riders and/or MM himself will get hurt.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 04, 2018, 04:59:40 pm
What I found most strange with the MM crash was how that front wheel kept spinning faster and faster , even to the point of leaving a long dark mark on the track. It stopped spinning abruptly once he hit the gravel and the engine cut out. There is something very unusual going on with that Honda
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2018, 06:02:30 pm
What I found most strange with the MM crash was how that front wheel kept spinning faster and faster , even to the point of leaving a long dark mark on the track. It stopped spinning abruptly once he hit the gravel and the engine cut out. There is something very unusual going on with that Honda

2wd? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: punisher on June 04, 2018, 06:03:11 pm
 O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2018, 06:05:53 pm
MM is a great rider no doutd. But it is in the back of mind he's gonna run into shit same as Simonchelli did.
When SI passed he also tried to save a front end slide and with the front tire biting forced him around and into Edwards and Rossi.


I think you grasping it straws he saves the bike more times than not it seems like at least once a weekend. He saved in practice, he saved in the last grand prix (Le Mans) and the previous in practice. His ability to hold onto the Throttle stops the big high side as Crutchlow says he is a freak of nature albeit a very skilled one.

Your view, my view is of a talented racer that manages to look far better because of always over the edge.  Yes, he saves most, but he crashes toooooo much. 

I would have seen him as 'super' if he went as fast as he does, without having to constantly save , save, crash, save, crash...........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2018, 06:10:52 pm
Could never understand why the Japanese bikes are so slow down a straight compared to the Ducati's ? Yes the Japanese have won many more championships and currently still lead so some might say it's not needed but hell imagine how much more dominant they will be with the extra top end as well. And don't tell me it's to make them more reliable, I have seen very few Ducati's DNF because of a mechanical in MotoGP.

Handling is a fine balance between chassis and engine.

The Yamaha's, despite being substantially slower on the straightline than the Ducati's, keepup with them without hassle.

This is because the stronger an engine, the more it flexes frames and spin tyres.

The faster your speed when arriving at a corner, the harder you have to brake, and this unsettles a chassis and buggers around with your lines.

I believe that Ducati is putting too much emphasis on engine power, and their overall package suffers a little bit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2018, 06:22:37 pm
What I found most strange with the MM crash was how that front wheel kept spinning faster and faster , even to the point of leaving a long dark mark on the track. It stopped spinning abruptly once he hit the gravel and the engine cut out. There is something very unusual going on with that Honda
Well if you are implying they have a anti crash system it sure aint working  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 05, 2018, 08:02:10 am
Your view, my view is of a talented racer that manages to look far better because of always over the edge.  Yes, he saves most, but he crashes toooooo much. 

I would have seen him as 'super' if he went as fast as he does, without having to constantly save , save, crash, save, crash...........


When was the last time he crashed out of a race. I think it was over a year ago. I think that is pretty good for someone who is pretty much on the edge 6 world championships at his age makes it quiet clear he is a talented rider.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 05, 2018, 08:31:15 am
Could never understand why the Japanese bikes are so slow down a straight compared to the Ducati's ? Yes the Japanese have won many more championships and currently still lead so some might say it's not needed but hell imagine how much more dominant they will be with the extra top end as well. And don't tell me it's to make them more reliable, I have seen very few Ducati's DNF because of a mechanical in MotoGP.

One of the reasons could also be because of there Valve Technology which is very well patented. I know VW bought Ducatti for access to that technology which they used very well in WRC and pretty much cleaned up while they were in the championships one thing for sure Ducattis have always been fast.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 05, 2018, 01:05:14 pm
Just read some stuff on Twitter by Gavin Emmett where he says Honda have told Pedrosa they will not be renewing his contract for 2019.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 05, 2018, 01:07:56 pm
And now confirmed on the MotoGP Facebook page.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on June 05, 2018, 01:16:48 pm
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897626/1/official-dani-pedrosa-leave-repsol-honda
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JohnB on June 05, 2018, 01:25:01 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 05, 2018, 01:29:47 pm
The latest rumours suggest Sunday's Italian MotoGP winner Jorge Lorenzo could partner Marquez at Repsol Honda

Looks like Honda are taking my advice earlier.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 05, 2018, 01:57:06 pm
This has got to be one of the silliest silly seasons ever.....................
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2018, 02:41:32 pm
Dani and Reposol Honda to part ways end of this season.  Confirmed.

Is there any Honda's racing besides MM and DP ?

The LCR Honda satelite team and there is a customer Honda or two as well.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 05, 2018, 03:02:12 pm
Where is Dannie going to end up, Suzuki, KTM, Aprilia ? I think he can still give another two years of top class riding to an emerging team.

It's a shame that Honda turned their bikes to uncontrollable beasts following Stacey Stoner and Marcia Marquez who both like to ride barking broncos. Dannie being a lightweight of a man just couldn't tame that thing especially when the tyres are cold early in a race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on June 05, 2018, 03:18:38 pm
Luckily, he can still race Moto3 .............  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2018, 03:19:28 pm
The latest rumours suggest Sunday's Italian MotoGP winner Jorge Lorenzo could partner Marquez at Repsol Honda

Looks like Honda are taking my advice earlier.

Latest, latest rumours is that he will be on a Petronas Yamaha with the SIC team.

Who knows?  Will be interesting to see as it seems most top notch riders do not want to team with MM.

Where is Dannie going to end up, Suzuki, KTM, Aprilia ? I think he can still give another two years of top class riding to an emerging team.

It's a shame that Honda turned their bikes to uncontrollable beasts following Stacey Stoner and Marcia Marquez who both like to ride barking broncos. Dannie being a lightweight of a man just couldn't tame that thing especially when the tyres are cold early in a race.

The same Petronas Yamaha SIC team perhaps?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 05, 2018, 03:27:14 pm
So, La Gazzetta dello Sport reckon an announcement is imminent: Dovi + Petrucci & Marquez + Jorge.

They usually get it right. I thought Jorge was supremely confident when he said he will be on very good bike next year.
Which one would you choose, Honda or Yama-sukkel?

https://www.gazzetta.it/Moto/moto-GP/05-06-2018/honda-studia-dream-team-lorenzo-marquez-270668873200.shtml?refresh_ce-cp
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on June 05, 2018, 03:31:49 pm
Jorge has always been a smooth, high corner speed rider.

Not sure the Honda would suit him.

Suzuki perhaps better suited?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on June 05, 2018, 03:32:12 pm
This has got to be one of the silliest silly season ever.....................

Absolutely!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on June 05, 2018, 04:12:24 pm
Jorge has always been a smooth, high corner speed rider.

Not sure the Honda would suit him.

Suzuki perhaps better suited?

That's very true ... one advantage Jorge might have over Dannie is that he can ride cold tyres as well as anyone. That guy gets on pace from lap one and then hits same times lap after lap.

If you look at someone like Rossi, he needs a couple of laps, sometimes more to get the tyres up to temperature and start to enjoy the bike once he establishes how much grip he has.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 05, 2018, 05:37:40 pm
MM and Jorge mates ? There will be serious competition as to who will be seen as number 1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2018, 07:09:40 pm
Silly season now completely silly!

Some of the interesting, sometimes conflicting rumours:

- Jonathan Rea to Repsol Honda
-  Jorge Lorenzo to Repsol Honda, or Ecstar Suzuki, or Petronas Yamaha or Repsol Honda
-  Hafiz Syahrin to Tech 3 KTM, or Petronas Yamaha
-  Dani Pedrosa to retirement, or Petronas Yamaha
-  Petronas Yamaha is a rumour.
-  Danilo Petrucci to Factory Ducati
-  Jack Miller to Factory Ducati, or Repsol Honda.

The list goes on and "poised to announce"

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/lorenzo-two-year-deal-honda-pedrosa-1044691/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 05, 2018, 08:03:51 pm
At least MM has several months to stock up on earplugs for that moaning Jorge.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2018, 08:25:32 pm
Danilo Petrucci confirmed to Factory Ducati.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Losper on June 05, 2018, 09:52:40 pm
Guy's I have been following Motogp ( and moto2 and 3 to a lesser extent ) for the last 2 years.
I have a few questions that I dont understand and would appreciate it you could give me some info, please excuse me if some of the questions are silly but if I dont ask I will never know:

1. Why does the riders that are placed 1st and 2nd in Q2 need to ride again in Q1?  (Has Moto2 and 3 also have Q1 and Q2? and Freepractice?)
2. How does Free practice work and what does it mean, are they timed?  is it only 30min and how many sessions and there and are riders only allowed on the track in Free practice time?
3. How many days before  race-day does the teams and riders arrive at the track and what do they do in those days?
4. Is there a rule that riders must first ride Moto3 before allowed to move to Moto 2 and eventually on to Motogp? I ask this because I see Hafizh Syahrin riding in Motogp but cant remember seing him in Moto2. Also in Sunday's Moto2 race there was a South African called Stephan Odendal who I have never seen in Moto3?
5. I  understand the factory teams sponsoring and paying their riders because they get milage out of their brand names ie Honda, KTM, Yamaha. etc being seen by race fans but I cant understand how teams like Marc VDS (who are they) and a few other lesser known smaller teams finance their operations. Sure there are advertising rights that they sell but I dont think that can bring in enough money to run them 100%, perhaps there are super super rich guy's behind it but even so, what would they get out of dumping so much money.
6. What must a new rider/team do to get accepted for Moto3? (Can anybody rock up there with a few million cash dollars in his pocket and do an application to enter his team for Moto3?)
7. How does the organisers decide what is the maximum number of  riders allowed to race in a race, looks like it is around 20 to 26 riders on average per race but what happens if they get applications for more riders?

Sorry for all the questions but it would be great to know a little more about this amazing sport.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 05, 2018, 10:11:31 pm
The Bear??
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: kfc4unme on June 06, 2018, 12:39:46 am
@Losper- some of the answers can be found here:
 http://www.motogp.com/en/Inside+MotoGP

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2018, 08:34:57 am
What the heck happened to Aprilia in the last couple of years ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 06, 2018, 09:01:38 am
So I have it that Lorenzo confirmed with Honda for 2 years.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on June 06, 2018, 09:47:29 am
Ooooh 2 big egos and Spanish temperament, it is going to be very interesting!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on June 06, 2018, 10:38:16 am
So I have it that Lorenzo confirmed with Honda for 2 years.....

Yup, going to be interesting!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on June 06, 2018, 11:16:57 am
Never in a million years did I see that coming
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 06, 2018, 11:21:24 am
Danilo Petrucci to Factory Ducati confirmed.

Hafizh Syahrin stays with Tech3 for 2019 and will switch from Yamaha to KTM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on June 06, 2018, 11:32:53 am
Danilo Petrucci to Factory Ducati confirmed.

Hafizh Syahrin stays with Tech3 for 2019 and will switch from Yamaha to KTM.

The cop should do well on a factory duc
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 06, 2018, 02:37:37 pm
Whats this musical chair thing going on?
If they need new talent they should arrange an open day with public try outs, like Vince Papale and the Phil.  Eagles.....
I
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2018, 04:26:23 pm
 :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 06, 2018, 08:14:30 pm
Honda confirm 2yr deal with Jorge.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897636/1/official-honda-signs-lorenzo-twoyear-deal
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2018, 08:51:51 pm
Hoe snoesig en sag sal die ou nessie met Markie en Jorrie nie wees nie! :snorting:

Gaan hulle weer opteam teen die outoppie? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Motties on June 07, 2018, 03:29:44 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 07, 2018, 07:06:05 am
 :laughing4:

Ek hoop die Honda se tenk pas by Jorge
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: kfc4unme on June 07, 2018, 09:51:15 am
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on June 07, 2018, 10:24:30 am
Honda confirm 2yr deal with Jorge.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/897636/1/official-honda-signs-lorenzo-twoyear-deal

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2018, 10:46:40 am
Guy's I have been following Motogp ( and moto2 and 3 to a lesser extent ) for the last 2 years.
I have a few questions that I dont understand and would appreciate it you could give me some info, please excuse me if some of the questions are silly but if I dont ask I will never know:

1. Why does the riders that are placed 1st and 2nd in Q2 need to ride again in Q1?  (Has Moto2 and 3 also have Q1 and Q2? and Freepractice?)

Because 1st and 2nd in Q1 is about 11th and 12th overall.  The riders are allocated a average time taken from the first 3 free practises.  The fastest 10 automatically go to Q2, while the slowest 12 - 14 goes to Q1.  They then quallify to join the fastest 10 in Q2, wher they qualify for their top 12 places.  No Mot 2 and 3 do not have this.

2. How does Free practice work and what does it mean, are they timed?  is it only 30min and how many sessions and there and are riders only allowed on the track in Free practice time?

FP 1, 2 and 3 is an hour each.  This is timed and these times (for MGP) is what decide whether they go to Q1 or Q2.  FP4 is 30 minutes for MGP.  M2 and M3 do not have a FP4, but they do have FP1, 2 and 3 of an hour each.  Teams can decide how many times they want to go into the pits, or out on track during FPs.


3. How many days before  race-day does the teams and riders arrive at the track and what do they do in those days?

They usually arrive Wednesday before the race.  Wednesday is for media conferences and for the tech teams to set up the garage, work area, bike, etc.  There is no riding.

4. Is there a rule that riders must first ride Moto3 before allowed to move to Moto 2 and eventually on to Motogp? I ask this because I see Hafizh Syahrin riding in Motogp but cant remember seing him in Moto2. Also in Sunday's Moto2 race there was a South African called Stephan Odendal who I have never seen in Moto3?

No.  There is no such rule.

5. I  understand the factory teams sponsoring and paying their riders because they get milage out of their brand names ie Honda, KTM, Yamaha. etc being seen by race fans but I cant understand how teams like Marc VDS (who are they) and a few other lesser known smaller teams finance their operations. Sure there are advertising rights that they sell but I dont think that can bring in enough money to run them 100%, perhaps there are super super rich guy's behind it but even so, what would they get out of dumping so much money.

There are basically three types of teams.  Full Factory, Satellite (which is factory supported at a fee) and Customer (they buy a bike, parts and support from the factory.  While some names may not sound important to us in SA, they are mostly huge companies, with huge company sponsorship in the rest of the world.  Marc VDS (Marc van der Straten) is a huge racing organisation who have teams in MGP, M2, M3 and even some car classes such as European Le Man Series.  They are in it for the money.  The team receives large sponsorship and in turn the sponsor gets exposure.  If it didn/t make financial sense, it wouldn't happen


6. What must a new rider/team do to get accepted for Moto3? (Can anybody rock up there with a few million cash dollars in his pocket and do an application to enter his team for Moto3?)

Basically you need an International Racing license en be older than 16 and you can race M3.  And yes, a huge truck load of money.  International Racing License will be issued to anyone with a National License

7. How does the organisers decide what is the maximum number of  riders allowed to race in a race, looks like it is around 20 to 26 riders on average per race but what happens if they get applications for more riders?

Maximums are dependant on what the specific track is licensed for.  There are however complex contracts between Dorna (the owners of the series) and the MGP teams on ho many bikes, teams, etc. they supply.  In the lower classes it is pretty much as many as the grid can handle.

Sorry for all the questions but it would be great to know a little more about this amazing sport.

No worries.  Ask away.  WD's have some very knowledgeable guys.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Losper on June 07, 2018, 01:24:47 pm
@TheBear , thank you very much for the info, very interesting indeed. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 07, 2018, 02:31:39 pm
ja thanks ou Brombeer  ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2018, 06:00:55 pm
ja thanks ou Brombeer  ;) :biggrin:

Plesier ou Kiljoy!   :thumleft:

@TheBear , thank you very much for the info, very interesting indeed. :thumleft: :thumleft:

Pleasure.

Just and added note.  Steven Odendaal did not come via Moto3, but he is the reigning Moto 2 European Champion, so while the Binders raced in the World Championship, he used the European Championship route.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kerritz on June 07, 2018, 06:08:02 pm
Also thanks from my side many questions I had myself you answered for me.

BTW... I kicked all your asses in SuperBru last weekend and the only one that picked Rossi for pole. Call it luck or stupidity or whatever you want but it paid of.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2018, 07:17:40 pm
Also thanks from my side many questions I had myself you answered for me.

BTW... I kicked all your asses in SuperBru last weekend and the only one that picked Rossi for pole. Call it luck or stupidity or whatever you want but it paid of.  :imaposer:

"Discount Valentino at your on peril" :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2018, 07:35:44 pm
Also thanks from my side many questions I had myself you answered for me.

BTW... I kicked all your asses in SuperBru last weekend and the only one that picked Rossi for pole. Call it luck or stupidity or whatever you want but it paid of.  :imaposer:

Superbru!?  What is Superbru?   :-[ :-[ :-[ :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2018, 07:36:29 pm
Also thanks from my side many questions I had myself you answered for me.

BTW... I kicked all your asses in SuperBru last weekend and the only one that picked Rossi for pole. Call it luck or stupidity or whatever you want but it paid of.  :imaposer:

"Discount Valentino at your on peril" :imaposer:

True, but he is not a major pole sitter.  Never has been.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 07, 2018, 08:21:23 pm
Rossi got his mini10 on Sunday - 10yrs since winning at home.

He will have to wait till November for the big10*.

*credit @Bus
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Solo on June 07, 2018, 10:35:57 pm
When last did we have a dream team like Marc & Jorge?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 08, 2018, 07:04:48 am
When last did we have a dream team like Marc & Jorge?

Jorge is much like Stoner, if he sits in front of the pack at the beginning of the race he usually wins it, tyre permitting.
I remember when Biaggi complained how Rossi was always on the better bike (Honda) when 2 stroke switched to 4) .
And then Biaggi also got a ride with Honda. And still Rossi showed Biaggi how to ride.
Biaggi moved to SBK and did well.
Hopefully Jorge finds his mojo at Repsol, stick a middle finger to team orders and give MM a go.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on June 08, 2018, 08:21:55 am
Rossi got his mini10 on Sunday - 10yrs since winning at home.

He will have to wait till November for the big10*.

*credit @Bus

:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 08, 2018, 11:03:59 am
I think Lorenzo is the most under rated rider remember he took his World championships from Rossi when Rossi was King. If Honda can give him a bike that suits him he will be right up there with MM. Honda does not have team orders but they might have favoritism when developing bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 08, 2018, 12:47:12 pm
Vert Interesting comments about Marquez in F1 car apparently very fast with the team saying they would give him a seat in 2021 if he left MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobC on June 08, 2018, 12:49:40 pm
Vert Interesting comments about Marquez in F1 car apparently very fast with the team saying they would give him a seat in 2021 if he left MotoGP.
It will not improve F1 at all... :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 08, 2018, 12:57:10 pm
I think it would be interesting but he would be crazy to leave MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 08, 2018, 12:59:33 pm
I think Lorenzo is the most under rated rider remember he took his World championships from Rossi when Rossi was King. If Honda can give him a bike that suits him he will be right up there with MM. Honda does not have team orders but they might have favoritism when developing bikes.

I think he is a fair weather rider who cant guts out the hard times.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on June 08, 2018, 01:01:25 pm
Interesting and dangerous. He does not have the self control for F1, it would turn into a demolition derby  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on June 08, 2018, 01:37:10 pm
Interesting and dangerous. He does not have the self control for F1, it would turn into a demolition derby  :spitcoffee:

Yup, if I think of MM93 in F1, this is all I see.....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2018, 01:54:37 pm
I think Lorenzo is the most under rated rider remember he took his World championships from Rossi when Rossi was King. If Honda can give him a bike that suits him he will be right up there with MM. Honda does not have team orders but they might have favoritism when developing bikes.

Lorenzo is one of MotoGP's top talents, he just seems to need everything right and cannot ride around problems in a machine. But give him what he wants and he is gone.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2018, 03:01:38 pm
Vert Interesting comments about Marquez in F1 car apparently very fast with the team saying they would give him a seat in 2021 if he left MotoGP.

Sounds like when Rossi tested with Ferrari.  Same story, just names changed.

I think it would be interesting but he would be crazy to leave MotoGP.

He would earn 10 - 20 times more.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 08, 2018, 09:15:27 pm
But crashing a F1 car is just soooooo much more expensive, he would bankrupt the team in half a season.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2018, 10:59:11 pm
But crashing a F1 car is just soooooo much more expensive, he would bankrupt the team in half a season.....

No, he'll just hang out of the cockpit and save that front slide. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 09, 2018, 11:39:45 am
If Danny Pedrosa was to go to F1, do you think he will need a little pillow to sit on so he can see over the steering wheel?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 09, 2018, 12:00:29 pm
He tested with Marquez but there have not been any comments I take it he did not go fast enough or could not see properly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 09, 2018, 04:04:32 pm
If Danny Pedrosa was to go to F1, do you think he will need a little pillow to sit on so he can see over the steering wheel?

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 09, 2018, 04:09:05 pm
He tested with Marquez but there have not been any comments I take it he did not go fast enough or could not see properly.

Well, it was just a marketing exercise and as such MM makes more news and story line than DP..  They drove the RB8 F1 show car from 2012 that ran on Pirelli demonstration tyres with no DRS while using a V8 engine with no KE .   

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 09, 2018, 11:20:04 pm
He tested with Marquez but there have not been any comments I take it he did not go fast enough or could not see properly.

Well, it was just a marketing exercise and as such MM makes more news and story line than DP..  They drove the RB8 F1 show car from 2012 that ran on Pirelli demonstration tyres with no DRS while using a V8 engine with no KE .

Donnerse nat sokkie Honda span. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 11, 2018, 12:29:52 pm
RIP Andreas Perez

For those who do'nt follow the Moto 3 Spanish series , Perez is a 14 year old developing rider coming up through the ranks , sadly passing away from brain damage after his accident.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on June 11, 2018, 12:34:42 pm
Very sad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Losper on June 11, 2018, 02:33:20 pm
Joan Mir is moving up from Moto2 to MotoGP in 2019, he has signed with Team Suzuki Ecstar.
Would be interesting to see if he can still perform as well as he did in the last few years.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobC on June 11, 2018, 08:27:29 pm
RIP Andreas Perez

For those who do'nt follow the Moto 3 Spanish series , Perez is a 14 year old developing rider coming up through the ranks , sadly passing away from brain damage after his accident.
R.I.P.  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Mooch on June 12, 2018, 09:33:03 am
While all this shit is happening hopefully Dovi can stay consistent and sneak through and win a championship for Ducati!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 12, 2018, 09:42:12 am
I think it is going to more difficult now Lorenzo is getting comfortable on he Ducatti.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 12, 2018, 10:41:45 am
I Lorenzo would have to win more than one race for me to agree with the statement that he is now comfortable on a Duke.. Im still recovering from the news that he is coming over to Honda  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Mooch on June 12, 2018, 11:01:40 am
I think it is going to more difficult now Lorenzo is getting comfortable on he Ducatti.

I dont think Lorenzo is that comfortable... depends on the track and set up.  Yes he was finally comfortable at Mugelo but lets see if that carries through...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on June 12, 2018, 04:11:13 pm
Let's see how comfy he is with MM buzzing around him  - little DP scared him off the track a while back.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 12, 2018, 04:53:14 pm
I agree if Lorenzo does not hit the front early he is not great. But if he hits the front early and he is comfortable thats the last you see of him he normally wins from the front.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 12, 2018, 07:29:17 pm
I agree if Lorenzo does not hit the front early he is not great. But if he hits the front early and he is comfortable thats the last you see of him he normally wins from the front.

He does, but only on a motorcycle on which he is 100% comfortable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 13, 2018, 08:08:47 am
We wait and see but I dont think that was just a flash in the pan. I think we are going to see a bit more of him this year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 14, 2018, 10:18:39 am
Well, they are at Catalunya for the next GP and as they arrive, silly season is at its peak with some interesting changes.  The line up for 2019 so far:

Repsol Honda:  MM and JL signed to end 2020
Factory Ducati:  Dovi to end 2020 and Petrucci to end 2019
Movistar Yamaha:  VR and MV signed to end 2020
Ecstar Suzuki:  Rins and rookie Mir to end 2020
Red Bull KTM:  Zarco and Asparagus, P to end 2020
Gresini Aprilia:  Iannone and Asparagus, A to end 2020
Tech3 KTM:  Oliviera (KTM contract) and Syahrin to end 2019
LCR Honda:  Criutchlow (HRC contract to end 2019), 2nd rider no announced yet.
Marc VDS Honda:  Morbidelli to end 2019 or 2020, 2nd rider not announced yet
Pramac Ducaiti:  Bagnaia to end 2020, 2nd rider not announced, possibly extend with Jack Miller
Avintia Ducati:  Simeon to end 2020, 2nd rider not announced yet
Aspar Ducati:  No rider announcements yet
 
Dani P is without a factory ride!  In his news conference today he said he is looking at some exciting options.  Grandstanding, or is the rumoured very strong Petronas Yamaha team a possibility?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 15, 2018, 09:05:16 am
Well, they are at Catalunya for the next GP and as they arrive, silly season is at its peak with some interesting changes.  The line up for 2019 so far:

Repsol Honda:  MM and JL signed to end 2020
Factory Ducati:  Dovi to end 2020 and Petrucci to end 2019
Movistar Yamaha:  VR and MV signed to end 2020
Ecstar Suzuki:  Rins and rookie Mir to end 2020
Red Bull KTM:  Zarco and Asparagus, P to end 2020
Gresini Aprilia:  Iannone and Asparagus, A to end 2020
Tech3 KTM:  Oliviera (KTM contract) and Syahrin to end 2019
LCR Honda:  Criutchlow (HRC contract to end 2019), 2nd rider no announced yet.
Marc VDS Honda:  Morbidelli to end 2019 or 2020, 2nd rider not announced yet
Pramac Ducaiti:  Bagnaia to end 2020, 2nd rider not announced, possibly extend with Jack Miller
Avintia Ducati:  Simeon to end 2020, 2nd rider not announced yet
Aspar Ducati:  No rider announcements yet
 
Dani P is without a factory ride!  In his news conference today he said he is looking at some exciting options.  Grandstanding, or is the rumoured very strong Petronas Yamaha team a possibility?

Update:  Pramac Ducati signed Jack Miller and he will have a GP19 factory spec bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 15, 2018, 09:25:34 am
Tech3 KTM:  Oliviera (KTM contract) and Syahrin to end 2019

Does the above mean Brad is the No.1 rider in the Moto2 team?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 15, 2018, 10:28:26 am
Tech3 KTM:  Oliviera (KTM contract) and Syahrin to end 2019

Does the above mean Brad is the No.1 rider in the Moto2 team?

It could mean that, in other words a similar situation to Moto 3 when Oliviera moved to Moto 2 and Brad became #1.  It would depend on who they bring in as the other rider in the Moto 2 team and how well they compare to each other during the early parts of the season.  Aki Ajo is well known that he looks after his riders though and I would be very surprised if Brad does not become the #1 rider.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 15, 2018, 05:35:16 pm
Jorge Martin's step up to the Moto2 class for 2019 has been confirmed with the Red Bull KTM Ajo team.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 16, 2018, 10:00:07 am
No 2d Yamaha team?

VR till end 2020 - wrf oupa
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Antonie on June 16, 2018, 03:05:21 pm
Marquez is a freak. Who saves a front slide  like that. And to top it off, he does this on every race weekend it seems.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on June 16, 2018, 04:05:49 pm
Marquez is a freak. Who saves a front slide  like that. And to top it off, he does this on every race weekend it seems.

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Indeed, he is one mean Machine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 17, 2018, 10:52:08 pm
Bit of a boring race, wonder if MM decided to back off when Dovi went down ? Maybe JL really did need a new tank only.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2018, 09:48:04 am
No 2d Yamaha team?

VR till end 2020 - wrf oupa

"Oupa" is currently 2nd in the World Championship.  That is better than 22 odd boytjies.

Chances are better than excellent that there will be a 2nd Yamaha team, sponsored by Petronas.

Marquez is a freak. Who saves a front slide  like that. And to top it off, he does this on every race weekend it seems.

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Janee!  A freak indeed.  One can only look on in amazement.  The only issue is that he is taunting Madame Risk and it almost got him this weekend when he crashed into Q1.  It did work out in the end, but he needs to think about this a tad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 10:51:09 am
No 2d Yamaha team?

VR till end 2020 - wrf oupa

"Oupa" is currently 2nd in the World Championship.  That is better than 22 odd boytjies.

Chances are better than excellent that there will be a 2nd Yamaha team, sponsored by Petronas.

Marquez is a freak. Who saves a front slide  like that. And to top it off, he does this on every race weekend it seems.

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Janee!  A freak indeed.  One can only look on in amazement.  The only issue is that he is taunting Madame Risk and it almost got him this weekend when he crashed into Q1.  It did work out in the end, but he needs to think about this a tad.
No one talks about Rossi although he is 2nd in the championship but it's almost as if he is not a threat.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2018, 11:29:26 am
No 2d Yamaha team?

VR till end 2020 - wrf oupa

"Oupa" is currently 2nd in the World Championship.  That is better than 22 odd boytjies.

Chances are better than excellent that there will be a 2nd Yamaha team, sponsored by Petronas.

Marquez is a freak. Who saves a front slide  like that. And to top it off, he does this on every race weekend it seems.

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Janee!  A freak indeed.  One can only look on in amazement.  The only issue is that he is taunting Madame Risk and it almost got him this weekend when he crashed into Q1.  It did work out in the end, but he needs to think about this a tad.
No one talks about Rossi although he is 2nd in the championship but it's almost as if he is not a threat.

I am The Bear, not NoOne!   >:D :lol8:

It seems many discount VR46, but he is always a threat and if the Yamahas were slightly more competitive, the young guns like MM would be worried.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2018, 12:54:21 pm
Moto 2 saw Brad in 6th again!

Steven Odendaal yet again snapping at a World Championship point in 18th.  He and his team is slowly, but surely coming to grips with Moto2 at this level.  Nice to see Steven beat his team mate, Joe Roberts, regularly.

Moto3.  Darryn got knocked off during the first lap.  :patch:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2018, 01:43:37 pm
Tech3 KTM:  Oliviera (KTM contract) and Syahrin to end 2019

Does the above mean Brad is the No.1 rider in the Moto2 team?

It could mean that, in other words a similar situation to Moto 3 when Oliviera moved to Moto 2 and Brad became #1.  It would depend on who they bring in as the other rider in the Moto 2 team and how well they compare to each other during the early parts of the season.  Aki Ajo is well known that he looks after his riders though and I would be very surprised if Brad does not become the #1 rider.

Jorge Martin from Moto3 will join Brad in the Red Bull KTM Moto2 team next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JonW on June 18, 2018, 04:50:04 pm
Just in case anyone out there thinks MotoGP riders don't deserve every cent they earn 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: BiG DoM on June 18, 2018, 07:13:56 pm
Forkinell some proper offs  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 18, 2018, 08:14:56 pm
I'm sure we see many more crashes nowadays on the front end especially even in the dry than even the 500cc era. You would think tyre and traction control would have helped, what is going on ? On Sunday only 13 of the 26 odd starters finished. Most crashed out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 18, 2018, 08:22:22 pm
I'm sure we see many more crashes nowadays on the front end especially even in the dry than even the 500cc era. You would think tyre and traction control would have helped, what is going on ? On Sunday only 13 of the 26 odd starters finished. Most crashed out.
How do the lap times compare from the 500cc on the same track to last Sumday?

Not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. With all the tech I think the riders then just push again to the machine's limit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 19, 2018, 08:06:55 am
The 4strokes even though heavier are faster by quite a bit. this is because they have a more even torque spread and are in theory easier to ride not to mention aids like traction controll etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 19, 2018, 08:11:12 am
We know they are faster and in theory easier to ride hence my question why do they crash more. Maybe they crashed a lot in the olden days too, just cant remember it anymore !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 19, 2018, 08:39:57 am
They do seem to crash a lot more often i wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the tracks are a lot safer now and could also be the tyre options. Money could also be an incentive as riders are paid a lot more.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 19, 2018, 08:56:05 am
We know they are faster and in theory easier to ride hence my question why do they crash more. Maybe they crashed a lot in the olden days too, just cant remember it anymore !

Most of the crashes on the 500's were high sides now a lot of low sides
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on June 19, 2018, 09:57:36 am
good point.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 19, 2018, 11:32:25 am
Interesting from testing at Catalunya yesterday.  Yamaha measured the acceleration of the M1 from the start of the main straight.  The Yamaha will lose about 1,7s against the Honda during the race.  That is terrible.  Worst part is, nothing they did during testing improved the bike and according to Yamaha the first major upgrades will only come after Brno.

We know they are faster and in theory easier to ride hence my question why do they crash more. Maybe they crashed a lot in the olden days too, just cant remember it anymore !

Jip.  More a memory issue, I think.  That said, I did read an article sometime back indicating that there are many more crashes than there were in the earlier era.  Possible reasons stated was, large and relatively safe run off area, greatly improved leathers (now with airbags), huge improved helmet technology, etc.  The theory was that riders now push the limits way further. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 19, 2018, 12:06:26 pm
I'm sure we see many more crashes nowadays on the front end especially even in the dry than even the 500cc era. You would think tyre and traction control would have helped, what is going on ? On Sunday only 13 of the 26 odd starters finished. Most crashed out.
How do the lap times compare from the 500cc on the same track to last Sumday?

Not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. With all the tech I think the riders then just push again to the machine's limit.

The only track that has remained unchanged is Mugello.

2018:

- Top Speed:  350,6
-  Pole time:  1,46.208


2001 - Last year of 500cc:

- Top Speed: 315,6
- Pole lap time:  1,52.554

2018 Moto 2:

- Top Speed:  293,3
-  Pole lap time:  1,51.575
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 19, 2018, 08:33:51 pm
I'm sure we see many more crashes nowadays on the front end especially even in the dry than even the 500cc era. You would think tyre and traction control would have helped, what is going on ? On Sunday only 13 of the 26 odd starters finished. Most crashed out.
How do the lap times compare from the 500cc on the same track to last Sumday?

Not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. With all the tech I think the riders then just push again to the machine's limit.

The only track that has remained unchanged is Mugello.

2018:

- Top Speed:  350,6
-  Pole time:  1,46.208


2001 - Last year of 500cc:

- Top Speed: 315,6
- Pole lap time:  1,52.554

2018 Moto 2:

- Top Speed:  293,3
-  Pole lap time:  1,51.575
Great thanks!

Crazy fast if. Moto 2 is faster these days. Look I ove 2t machines and I am sure it was way more scary to ride, and yes more highsides because of the instant power curve(read red powerband..haha).

So I would assume with all the traction control etc, less highsides, but the tech cant save the rider if he pushes to hard and looses the front.?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 20, 2018, 01:50:19 pm
What a pity they stopped development on the 500's; if they continued I'm sure they would be right up there with the MotoGP bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 20, 2018, 02:40:12 pm
I'm sure we see many more crashes nowadays on the front end especially even in the dry than even the 500cc era. You would think tyre and traction control would have helped, what is going on ? On Sunday only 13 of the 26 odd starters finished. Most crashed out.
How do the lap times compare from the 500cc on the same track to last Sumday?

Not being sarcastic, I really would like to know. With all the tech I think the riders then just push again to the machine's limit.

The only track that has remained unchanged is Mugello.

2018:

- Top Speed:  350,6
-  Pole time:  1,46.208


2001 - Last year of 500cc:

- Top Speed: 315,6
- Pole lap time:  1,52.554

2018 Moto 2:

- Top Speed:  293,3
-  Pole lap time:  1,51.575
Great thanks!

Crazy fast if. Moto 2 is faster these days. Look I ove 2t machines and I am sure it was way more scary to ride, and yes more highsides because of the instant power curve(read red powerband..haha).

So I would assume with all the traction control etc, less highsides, but the tech cant save the rider if he pushes to hard and looses the front.?

I think you hit the nail on the head.  The electronics makes a huge difference, but the one area where it cannot help is the front tyre.  That, coupled with the fact that the most riders do not like the Michelin fronts must be adding to the number front end induced low sides.

What a pity they stopped development on the 500's; if they continued I'm sure they would be right up there with the MotoGP bikes.

You are probably correct.  If we think back, Honda already had a 500cc monster that most riders chose not to ride as it was way too wild.  Imagine that with modern day electronics to "calm" it down a tad.  Then ad modern engine management, etc. and that 500cc as it was would be pretty close to the modern MGP bike already.  Throw in 15 years and a few gazillion dollars in research and voila.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 20, 2018, 08:01:04 pm
The 4strokes even though heavier are faster by quite a bit. this is because they have a more even torque spread and are in theory easier to ride not to mention aids like traction controll etc.

Wrong. It is because the 4strokes are exactly twice the size of the old 500cc 2strokes. :thumleft:

Google NR500, and see what happens when 4- and 2stroke compete in a level playing field.

The NR cost Honda more than any other motorcycle ever to develop, and it had to eventually be withdrawn, uncompetitive.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Epilot on June 21, 2018, 04:45:14 pm
In 2015 the fuel limit was set at 20l per race, I can’t see a 2t finishing a race on that amount of fuel. But the 500’ were monsters that only real men could ride.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 21, 2018, 08:45:07 pm
In 2015 the fuel limit was set at 20l per race, I can’t see a 2t finishing a race on that amount of fuel. But the 500’ were monsters that only real men could ride.

The outgoing Yamaha YZR500 used around 18litres per 100kms. So it may jut finish a race. The MotoGP bikes also only just finishes a race on their allotted fuel.

They seem to be sort of similar under full throttle conditions.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 22, 2018, 10:52:51 am
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 22, 2018, 01:30:03 pm
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D

I would love it if Kawasaki came back with Johnathan Rea as their rider. Surely it can't be that hard to adapt their championship winning WSBK ZX10s into MotoGP bikes?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on June 22, 2018, 01:44:06 pm
Ask Suzuki, not that easy and it is essentially road made machines with go faster bits vs prototypes that are built for a specific purpose. Also very few to no WSBK riders have made too much of an impact in Motogp. The riders are cut from a different cloth.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on June 22, 2018, 02:17:58 pm
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D

I would love it if Kawasaki came back with Johnathan Rea as their rider. Surely it can't be that hard to adapt their championship winning WSBK ZX10s into MotoGP bikes?
Should at least be as fast as the KTM team  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: ZK1 on June 22, 2018, 03:03:57 pm
I would like to see a Harley in MotoGP.......imagine THAT... :imaposer:

Chrome flying everywhere and the crowd getting thinner and thinner as the sun starts to set and the guys waiting to pop the bubbly on the podium......but wait......there are still 5 laps left before the race is officially over.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 22, 2018, 03:59:51 pm
I would like to see a Harley in MotoGP.......imagine THAT... :imaposer:

Chrome flying everywhere and the crowd getting thinner and thinner as the sun starts to set and the guys waiting to pop the bubbly on the podium......but wait......there are still 5 laps left before the race is officially over.


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on June 22, 2018, 04:10:40 pm
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D

I would love it if Kawasaki came back with Johnathan Rea as their rider. Surely it can't be that hard to adapt their championship winning WSBK ZX10s into MotoGP bikes?
Should at least be as fast as the KTM team  :pot:

That was low .............. so very low ........... but seeing as it's Friday, we'll just call it 'taking the piss' and have another beer  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on June 22, 2018, 04:29:00 pm
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D
3

Delmas Cbickens
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on June 23, 2018, 02:54:19 pm
I would like to see a Harley in MotoGP.......imagine THAT... :imaposer:

Chrome flying everywhere and the crowd getting thinner and thinner as the sun starts to set and the guys waiting to pop the bubbly on the podium......but wait......there are still 5 laps left before the race is officially over.

They were very successful in the 250 cc class years back.

Quote from Wikepidia:
The Aermacchi / Harley-Davidson factory hired Walter Villa for their racing effort in the Grand Prix motorcycle racing circuit after the death of Renzo Pasolini at Monza in May 1973. During the winter of 1973 -1974, the factory under the direction of Dr. Sandro Colombo, made huge progress in developing their machines in order to compete with Yamaha. This progress allowed Villa to take victory in the 1974 championship, with Villa winning the first 250 cc championship race of the year - in Italy by 45 seconds.

He went on to win the 1975 and 1976 250cc world championship together with the 350cc title in 1976.[3]
End quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Villa
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on June 23, 2018, 03:03:18 pm
Been away for a while and had expected more moments on Lorenzo's victories and his move to Honda.  Just imagine for a moment if he would win the championship this year on a Ducati and then repeat later on a Honda.  That would be something.  We can just hope for something like that to make it all even more interesting.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 23, 2018, 03:26:19 pm
I would like to see a Harley in MotoGP.......imagine THAT... :imaposer:

Chrome flying everywhere and the crowd getting thinner and thinner as the sun starts to set and the guys waiting to pop the bubbly on the podium......but wait......there are still 5 laps left before the race is officially over.

They were very successful in the 250 cc class years back.

Quote from Wikepidia:
The Aermacchi / Harley-Davidson factory hired Walter Villa for their racing effort in the Grand Prix motorcycle racing circuit after the death of Renzo Pasolini at Monza in May 1973. During the winter of 1973 -1974, the factory under the direction of Dr. Sandro Colombo, made huge progress in developing their machines in order to compete with Yamaha. This progress allowed Villa to take victory in the 1974 championship, with Villa winning the first 250 cc championship race of the year - in Italy by 45 seconds.

He went on to win the 1975 and 1976 250cc world championship together with the 350cc title in 1976.[3]
End quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Villa


WHAT!! :eek7: :xxbah:  You mean to tell me that Yamaha was actually beaten by a Harley? :pot: :pot: :peepwall:

To be fair, HD bought the Italian Aermacchi brand to compete in GP racing, and they did very well.

Their 250 aircooled twin remain, for me, as one of the most beautiful motorcycle engines ever.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 25, 2018, 10:58:01 am
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D
3

Delmas Cbickens

Back in the early 80's there was a Kawasaki Racing Team racing in the SA nationals sponsored by Delmas Chickens.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 25, 2018, 11:02:05 am
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D

I would love it if Kawasaki came back with Johnathan Rea as their rider. Surely it can't be that hard to adapt their championship winning WSBK ZX10s into MotoGP bikes?

It would be very hard to do the conversion.  Probably easier to just develop from new.  Aprilia tried to make the Max Biaggi WSBK superbike into a MGP bike, with no success.  The first problem is that the frame specs and engine specs are not the same.  Then there is the tyres.  The Pirellis WSBK use works well for the Kawa.  Who knows what will happen with the Michelins.

A few years ago, the CRT Class bikes had a few using the WSBK Kawa engine and they couldn't beat the MGP satellite B teams.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 25, 2018, 06:10:17 pm
Latest "rumours":

-  Petronas Yamaha satellite team seems a reality.
-  Movistar Yamaha factory teams seems without a sponsor from 2019 since Movistar is not renewing their contract.  Monster Energy is whispered  as a posisble sponsor.  A green Yamaha could look cool.  At least if they remain rubbish, we can dream it is a Kawa struggling!   >:D
3

Delmas Cbickens


Daai is mos nou juis die ouens wat Hein van praat, die "groen" Yamaha. :imaposer:

Back in the early 80's there was a Kawasaki Racing Team racing in the SA nationals sponsored by Delmas Chickens.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2018, 09:48:38 am
Once, sitting between Sunset and Clubhouse, on the short straight one of these Kawas blew an engine in spectacular fashion.  Some due in the crowd shouted: "Ooooo f@k!  Daar verbrand daai ou die kuiken!"
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 26, 2018, 11:22:19 am
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2018, 11:44:51 am
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 26, 2018, 02:51:11 pm
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.

Will it be a triple?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2018, 03:02:16 pm
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.

Will it be a triple?

Yep.  765cc triple.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 27, 2018, 08:40:51 am
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.

Will it be a triple?

Yep.  765cc triple.

cool
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 27, 2018, 10:15:20 am
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.

Will it be a triple?

Yep.  765cc triple.

cool

Listen to that triple sing the song of its people!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on June 27, 2018, 10:34:17 am
I see they are testing a Triumph motor.. thats going to be interesting

Any news on Pedrosa?

Yep!  Moto 2 will change from the current 600cc Honda engines to 750cc Triumph engines from 2019 onward.  I am looking forward to the sound and to see which team will adopt quickest to the new engine, Kalex, Suter or possibly KTM.  Will also be nice to see MVAugusta return, even if only in terms of the bike, without an engine, like KTM.

Nothing concrete on Pedrosa yet.  The seriously hot rumour is still Pedrosa on a factory spec M1 in the Petronas Yamaha team run by SIC Racing, but it  (rider and team) remains rumour.

Will it be a triple?

Yep.  765cc triple.

cool

Listen to that triple sing the song of its people!



Sick
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 27, 2018, 08:13:34 pm
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2018, 09:11:33 am
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on June 28, 2018, 09:15:09 am
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: billy-joe on June 28, 2018, 06:31:20 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 28, 2018, 10:05:00 pm
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

No explaining needed, read again, it's EXACTLY what I said, that they sound the same. :thumleft:

Now, what would Billy and Sheep be laughing about? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kerritz on June 29, 2018, 06:39:15 am
http://www.mcnews.com.au/2018-catalunya-motogp-grid-girls-gallery/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bensien on June 29, 2018, 07:23:59 am
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

No explaining needed, read again, it's EXACTLY what I said, that they sound the same. :thumleft:

Now, what would Billy and Sheep be laughing about? :pot:

A  180 degree crank triple sounds different to 120 degree one.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2018, 11:39:59 am
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

No explaining needed, read again, it's EXACTLY what I said, that they sound the same. :thumleft:

Now, what would Billy and Sheep be laughing about? :pot:

Must be my rather clever and funny statement.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2018, 11:41:55 am
Assen GP and after FP1, it seems the factory Yamahas may be on song with MV25 2nd and VR46 3rd fastest.   Fastest is some dude on a Repsol Honda numbered 93 or something.

FP1:  Darryn P12, Brad P4, Steven P24.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on June 29, 2018, 12:14:29 pm
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

No explaining needed, read again, it's EXACTLY what I said, that they sound the same. :thumleft:

Now, what would Billy and Sheep be laughing about? :pot:

Must be my rather clever and funny statement.   :lol8:

Edzattery  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 30, 2018, 05:28:49 pm
Sounds like my brother's 1978 Yamaha XS850. :eek7:

Well Danie, you are knowledgeable on issues, motorcycles and their engines, so I would assume you would know that triples would sound similar, even the same, or should I get a guy who knows engines to explain this to you?  Wait!  I know a guy in Stellenbosch .....   >:D

No explaining needed, read again, it's EXACTLY what I said, that they sound the same. :thumleft:

Now, what would Billy and Sheep be laughing about? :pot:

A  180 degree crank triple sounds different to 120 degree one.

Indeed, though listening to those triples, they are all 120degs., like the old Yammie triples was.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Breekbeen on July 01, 2018, 02:43:25 pm
WOW.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 01, 2018, 03:10:58 pm
Demmit dit was close racing!!!!!!!!!!!! :o
Voel jammer vir die ou man :(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 01, 2018, 03:46:24 pm
Best race for a long time, blixem that was lekker to watch !!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on July 01, 2018, 05:14:44 pm
What a day to watch MotoGP Live at Assen!!
Sat on Ossenbroeken, lekker atmosphere!

I will post some pics later!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 01, 2018, 05:17:10 pm
What a race!!!

Even Marques said afterwards; "like ze motto 3" :imaposer:

Rossi did extremely well, except for the near the end glipsie. :xxbah:

But all the MM supporters can feel good, that guy does not get rattled at all!  Well done!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: LDV on July 01, 2018, 05:42:44 pm
Great race.
Het na die moto gp oorgeslaan f1 toe en toe aan die slaap geraak.
Die karre is maar net nie so opwindend soos die bikes nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 01, 2018, 07:10:10 pm
What a race :headbang: I think Lorenzo needs a new tank.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 01, 2018, 09:35:31 pm
What a race :headbang: I think Lorenzo needs a new tank.


I heard that halfway through the race his tank turned back into the old shape. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on July 01, 2018, 10:27:00 pm
What a race :headbang: I think Lorenzo needs a new tank.


I heard that halfway through the race his tank turned back into the old shape. :pot:

The Dutch Commentary over the loudspeakers at the track was hillarious! At one point they shouted out “De Waaghalse op de Dukatties!”
They also called the race “de wedstryd”
😜


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JohnB on July 02, 2018, 07:46:13 am
 :hello2:

That was very entertaining.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Dunce on July 02, 2018, 08:37:03 am
Best race this season, had you sitting on the edge the whole way. Mark... give him the front and he is.............gone ;D ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 02, 2018, 08:51:29 am
What a Race. I am a Marquez and Lorenzo fan. Not a a Rossi fab who I think has grown into a drama queen. But man he was impressive in this race he at least deserved second or first after that display very unlucky.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2018, 10:22:47 am
What a Race. I am a Marquez and Lorenzo fan. Not a a Rossi fab who I think has grown into a drama queen. But man he was impressive in this race he at least deserved second or first after that display very unlucky.
Rossi could have easily won that race just like any of the top 7 I would say. Props to Rossi, who will still be as competitive at his age ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 02, 2018, 10:39:46 am
Rossi was pushing hard for the win, which is good to see, but that move on Dovi opened the door for MM who did great to just stay in the race never mind win it. Who else can come off the bike in mid race and still come back to win it?

Assen was like a Moto3 race race at 350km/h!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 10:39:48 am
One word.  WOW!

What a race.  Hats off to them all.  A Moto3 race at double the speed.   If they were all like that I would have to open an account at the pharmacy for Valiums.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 10:40:49 am
What a Race. I am a Marquez and Lorenzo fan. Not a a Rossi fab who I think has grown into a drama queen. But man he was impressive in this race he at least deserved second or first after that display very unlucky.
Rossi could have easily won that race just like any of the top 7 I would say. Props to Rossi, who will still be as competitive at his age ?
I often wonder how Marques would be like one day at Rossi's age?

Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 10:45:45 am
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside? 



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 10:47:34 am
Marques was very very lucky that his left foot was not run over by the rear wheel. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 10:54:10 am
Marques was very very lucky that his left foot was not run over by the rear wheel. :deal:

True, but then, many riders were very lucky during this race.  I reckon their guardian angels are still all in a drug induced coma in a facility for guardian angels who suffered nervous breakdowns!

VR and JL:  200km/h rear end, no crash, no DNF.
MM and MV  Major run off.  No kitty litter.  No crash, no DNF.
MM:  Foot off peg, no major issue.
VR and AD:  Wide run off, no kitty litter.  No crash.  No DNF.
A plethora of fairing paint swopping.

Again.  WOW!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on July 02, 2018, 10:56:45 am
GP at its best - MM remains a devil ( with a hell of a lot of skills and luck ) and VR 46 still has a lot of fight in him  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 10:58:06 am
Wonder if it was the track that got the riders in a fighting mood or what.
Very rare to have 7 riders mm from each other the whole race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on July 02, 2018, 11:06:30 am
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside?

That is what makes racers racers.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 11:34:25 am
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside?

That is what makes racers racers.....

True.  But it doesn't make champions.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: RobD on July 02, 2018, 11:38:18 am
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside?

That is what makes racers racers.....

True.  But it doesn't make champions.


Oh, he has a few of those too.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 11:40:17 am
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 11:52:38 am
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.

The Yamahas probably do have the speed, but their problem is traction out the corners.  They wheel spin something terrible during that first bit. 

During their testing day at Catalunya, it was calculated that they were losing about 1,7s per race, just under acceleration onto the main straight.   That sounds like nothing, but this is a sport won, or lost on thousands of seconds.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 11:55:49 am
So what would they to change to curb the spinning?
OK rider should have better control over right hand is clear. Maybe it is a matter of computer settings :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2018, 12:03:14 pm
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.

The Yamahas probably do have the speed, but their problem is traction out the corners.  They wheel spin something terrible during that first bit. 

During their testing day at Catalunya, it was calculated that they were losing about 1,7s per race, just under acceleration onto the main straight.   That sounds like nothing, but this is a sport won, or lost on thousands of seconds.

Judging from what I see on the screen, the Yamaha's seem to lose out towards top end, not exit out of corner?

Although on Sunday they could not have lost anything as Rossi was on his way to at least 2nd place, and Vinhales made 3rd, if it was not for that pesky Hayabusa, it could have been 2nd for Maverick. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 02, 2018, 12:06:09 pm
I remember there was this one pass Dovi did on Rossi three quarters down the main straight. It was clear Rossi was full taps and had nothing more.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2018, 12:18:11 pm
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside?

That is what makes racers racers.....

True.  But it doesn't make champions.

I beg to differ, and as example look at MM. He takes this kind of risk, crashes often[ish] and is a champion.

If Rossi made that move stick, it would have been all good.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 12:19:55 pm
So what would they to change to curb the spinning?
OK rider should have better control over right hand is clear. Maybe it is a matter of computer settings :deal:

It sounds simple enough, but since they unified EUC, Yamaha has struggled with those settings.  It is interesting to note that, the moment the unified EUC systems manufacturer was announce, Honda and Ducati each poached one of their top software engineers.  Yamaha did not.  There are also mumblings that some manufacturers may be cheating the system by using the IMU to override the EUC, therefore IMU will also move to unfied next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 12:21:20 pm
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.

The Yamahas probably do have the speed, but their problem is traction out the corners.  They wheel spin something terrible during that first bit. 

During their testing day at Catalunya, it was calculated that they were losing about 1,7s per race, just under acceleration onto the main straight.   That sounds like nothing, but this is a sport won, or lost on thousands of seconds.

Judging from what I see on the screen, the Yamaha's seem to lose out towards top end, not exit out of corner?

Although on Sunday they could not have lost anything as Rossi was on his way to at least 2nd place, and Vinhales made 3rd, if it was not for that pesky Hayabusa, it could have been 2nd for Maverick. :ricky:

If you and I do a top speed run and we pull away on identical vehicles, but I wheel spin for the first 40 meters and you do not, surely you will reach the higher top speed and sooner.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 12:22:01 pm
Rossi should have just stayed where he was and would have had at least third. :deal:

Janee.  He made a very rookie mistake for an old guy.  Did he honestly think (well, in the heat of the moment he clearly did) that Dovi could be taken on the outside?

That is what makes racers racers.....

True.  But it doesn't make champions.

I beg to differ, and as example look at MM. He takes this kind of risk, crashes often[ish] and is a champion.

If Rossi made that move stick, it would have been all good.

It all depends where you are in the standings.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 02, 2018, 01:44:56 pm
Im still thinking about that race.. WOW

I have seen some crackers in my time but that has to be in the top 5 races of all time. 

As a staunch Repsol Honda fan I wasn't surprised to see Danni doing fuck all yet again, thank goodness he is leaving Honda so now I can stop bitching about him.

At one point I thought it would be a Ducati one, two.. but when the master put the hammer down and could ride his lines it was game over. I was worried about those soft tyres but they held up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2018, 01:45:37 pm
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.

The Yamahas probably do have the speed, but their problem is traction out the corners.  They wheel spin something terrible during that first bit. 

During their testing day at Catalunya, it was calculated that they were losing about 1,7s per race, just under acceleration onto the main straight.   That sounds like nothing, but this is a sport won, or lost on thousands of seconds.

Judging from what I see on the screen, the Yamaha's seem to lose out towards top end, not exit out of corner?

Although on Sunday they could not have lost anything as Rossi was on his way to at least 2nd place, and Vinhales made 3rd, if it was not for that pesky Hayabusa, it could have been 2nd for Maverick. :ricky:

If you and I do a top speed run and we pull away on identical vehicles, but I wheel spin for the first 40 meters and you do not, surely you will reach the higher top speed and sooner.

I realise that, but don't you think that sort of tyre abuse will show up in a race? The Yamahas were on rails yesterday.

OK, one rail went a bit wide. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2018, 01:47:43 pm
Im still thinking about that race.. WOW

I have seen some crackers in my time but that has to be in the top 5 races of all time. 

As a staunch Repsol Honda fan I wasn't surprised to see Danni doing fuck all yet again, thank goodness he is leaving Honda so now I can stop bitching about him.

At one point I thought it would be a Ducati one, two.. but when the master put the hammer down and could ride his lines it was game over. I was worried about those soft tyres but they held up.

I have been watching GP since about 1927, and I have to agree with at least in the top 5, if not the best.

And yes, it's Ok for you to call MM "the master". That he is. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 02, 2018, 02:03:39 pm
After this last race I think they all masters.. Lorenzo showed skill and I had a little grin knowing that he can ride and is coming to Honda, Rossi at one stage was going for the win with a stick of lit dynamite between his teeth, Dovi was in the Mix, Vin was not taking anything lying down.. it was uppercuts and sucker punches at every turn.. brilliant.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2018, 02:32:57 pm
I just wish the Yamahas could somewhere get the same speed from their bikes in a straight line as the Ducati's.
It was very clear on the straights yesterday that they outran Rossi.

The Yamahas probably do have the speed, but their problem is traction out the corners.  They wheel spin something terrible during that first bit. 

During their testing day at Catalunya, it was calculated that they were losing about 1,7s per race, just under acceleration onto the main straight.   That sounds like nothing, but this is a sport won, or lost on thousands of seconds.

Judging from what I see on the screen, the Yamaha's seem to lose out towards top end, not exit out of corner?

Although on Sunday they could not have lost anything as Rossi was on his way to at least 2nd place, and Vinhales made 3rd, if it was not for that pesky Hayabusa, it could have been 2nd for Maverick. :ricky:

If you and I do a top speed run and we pull away on identical vehicles, but I wheel spin for the first 40 meters and you do not, surely you will reach the higher top speed and sooner.

I realise that, but don't you think that sort of tyre abuse will show up in a race? The Yamahas were on rails yesterday.

OK, one rail went a bit wide. :thumleft:

The Yamies were much better than normal at Assen this weekend, but remember, I am talking overall problems for the Yamahas, over the season, not just this one race.  The TV did pick up once where MV lit up his rear quite dramatically, but I can't say whether this happened regularly, or not.  All three top Yamaha riders, were quite happy and excited with the Yamaha this past weekend.

At Assen, traditionally a Yamaha track, the top speeds did not differ that much this year.  Dovi was fastest at 315,7km/h while MV did 314,5 and VR 311,9 and MM 311,5. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Serfie on July 02, 2018, 03:19:31 pm
Nobody mentions the performance of the Suzuki  ;) ...I think they are after their recent re-entering into MotoGP on a par with the top teams. Surely hope they continue to do well. Iannoni perfomed very well for this season except at Assen, where Rins suddenly did well compared to his poor performance for this season to date. Perhaps Suzuki will come to regret them not signing Iannoni for 2019. Rins and Mir are sort of still rookies, but will probably have a good performing bike for 2019. Time will tell....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on July 02, 2018, 03:30:07 pm
I have been keeping my eye on the Suzuki and i agree.. they have done really well considering how long they have been racing.. well, since their introduction.

Back when i was in school my fav bike was the Suzuki RG50 and my idol was Kevin Schwantz so im happy they are back and doing so well.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2018, 03:43:48 pm
Im still thinking about that race.. WOW

I have seen some crackers in my time but that has to be in the top 5 races of all time. 

As a staunch Repsol Honda fan I wasn't surprised to see Danni doing fuck all yet again, thank goodness he is leaving Honda so now I can stop bitching about him.

At one point I thought it would be a Ducati one, two.. but when the master put the hammer down and could ride his lines it was game over. I was worried about those soft tyres but they held up.

I have been watching GP since about 1927, and I have to agree with at least in the top 5, if not the best.

And yes, it's Ok for you to call MM "the master". That he is. :thumleft:
Yep who can forget the Finnish GP of 1965, what a cracker  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2018, 03:46:15 pm
Wonder if it was the track that got the riders in a fighting mood or what.
Very rare to have 7 riders mm from each other the whole race.
Assen lends itself to great racing and the sun was shining, even when WSBK was still in it's heyday Fogarty, Slight and Chili had some great dices there. The fast sweeping corners evens things out, whether you have a fast bike on the straight or good handling bike the track rewards them all. It's not a stop blast out of the corner type of track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2018, 04:18:34 pm
Im still thinking about that race.. WOW

I have seen some crackers in my time but that has to be in the top 5 races of all time. 

As a staunch Repsol Honda fan I wasn't surprised to see Danni doing fuck all yet again, thank goodness he is leaving Honda so now I can stop bitching about him.

At one point I thought it would be a Ducati one, two.. but when the master put the hammer down and could ride his lines it was game over. I was worried about those soft tyres but they held up.

I have been watching GP since about 1927, and I have to agree with at least in the top 5, if not the best.

And yes, it's Ok for you to call MM "the master". That he is. :thumleft:
Yep who can forget the Finnish GP of 1965, what a cracker  :ricky:

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gingerball on July 02, 2018, 09:06:28 pm
Man-o-man, what a race Assen was yesterday! I had to watch it on replay as I was on the road when it was being run, hoping I would not hear or see the results somewhere unexpected. I need to watch it again, what shear enjoyment that was for the eye.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 03, 2018, 10:28:28 am
Wow what a race,  :3some:

Was it my imagination or were the Suzuki riders struggling to keep keep the front wheel down more than the others? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2018, 11:19:12 am
Nobody mentions the performance of the Suzuki  ;) ...I think they are after their recent re-entering into MotoGP on a par with the top teams. Surely hope they continue to do well. Iannoni perfomed very well for this season except at Assen, where Rins suddenly did well compared to his poor performance for this season to date. Perhaps Suzuki will come to regret them not signing Iannoni for 2019. Rins and Mir are sort of still rookies, but will probably have a good performing bike for 2019. Time will tell....

The Suzukis were mentioned by implications since both were in the fight initially and one stayed in till the end.  They are doing great and I do not want to pee on the Suzuki parade, but they still do have concessions, such as allowed 9 engines a year, while the other factory teams are only allowed 7.  Also, they can do engine development throughout the year, while other factory teams have frozen phases in terms of engine development.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Losper on July 03, 2018, 11:29:56 am
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gingerball on July 03, 2018, 12:15:47 pm
Pedrosa is worrying a lot about his future at the moment and it's impacting his game.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on July 03, 2018, 12:34:30 pm
 I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

I have learnt with Moto GP it all depends on how they feel on the day. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2018, 12:55:28 pm
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on July 03, 2018, 02:06:08 pm
Quote:
Asked about it, even Marquez didn’t really know how he’d stayed on. “I don’t know…I just saw a photo and it was crazy! We had contact, Rins touched me but in the end it was my mistake. I was on the outside and there you have to understand that whoever is inside has the advantage. I had the contact, but then I nearly fell off the bike! My left foot, left hand…and I was trying to adjust the clutch lever on the straight!”
Unquote

Seems like someone has learned something over the years.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/07/02/rins-i-saw-marc-do-it-and-i-thought-why-not/264419
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 04, 2018, 09:15:51 am
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th.

Much like F1 has been for years.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 04, 2018, 10:08:43 am
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th.

Much like F1 has been for years.

Just like that.  Personally, I don't  like it much, as I want to know which rider is the best, which bike is the best and not whose IT Techie is the best, but it is the way the world is moving in terms of technology, so I suppose I need to accept it.

In an ongoing effort to sort the performance issues, new rules will come next year.

-  Move to unified IMU
-  Move to unified canbus
-  Stricter rules around the wings

It is believed some teams are using (abusing?) the IMU and canbus to override the commands from the unified ECU.  It has thus far not been proven, but to ensure it doesn't happen, these two bits will become unified as well.

As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 04, 2018, 10:53:23 am
I would like to know how much the IT guys get paid vs the mechanical techs
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 04, 2018, 11:02:45 am
Assen MotoGP had 126 overtakes the most ever recorded.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 04, 2018, 12:18:58 pm
Assen MotoGP had 126 overtakes the most ever recorded.

Possibly more than the previous 5 MGPs put together.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rooikoos on July 04, 2018, 01:02:44 pm
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th.

Much like F1 has been for years.

Just like that.  Personally, I don't  like it much, as I want to know which rider is the best, which bike is the best and not whose IT Techie is the best, but it is the way the world is moving in terms of technology, so I suppose I need to accept it.

In an ongoing effort to sort the performance issues, new rules will come next year.

-  Move to unified IMU
-  Move to unified canbus
-  Stricter rules around the wings

It is believed some teams are using (abusing?) the IMU and canbus to override the commands from the unified ECU.  It has thus far not been proven, but to ensure it doesn't happen, these two bits will become unified as well.

As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

They should ban wings off all forms and shapes! Those things are UGLY!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on July 04, 2018, 02:56:02 pm
As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

From reading here ... looks like current wing designs will stay

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/900428/1/stricter-rules-motogp-wings-confirmed (https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/900428/1/stricter-rules-motogp-wings-confirmed)

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 04, 2018, 06:49:17 pm
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th.

Much like F1 has been for years.

Just like that.  Personally, I don't  like it much, as I want to know which rider is the best, which bike is the best and not whose IT Techie is the best, but it is the way the world is moving in terms of technology, so I suppose I need to accept it.

In an ongoing effort to sort the performance issues, new rules will come next year.

-  Move to unified IMU
-  Move to unified canbus
-  Stricter rules around the wings

It is believed some teams are using (abusing?) the IMU and canbus to override the commands from the unified ECU.  It has thus far not been proven, but to ensure it doesn't happen, these two bits will become unified as well.

As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

Points and condensors, here we come. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2018, 12:07:00 pm
As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

From reading here ... looks like current wing designs will stay

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/900428/1/stricter-rules-motogp-wings-confirmed (https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/900428/1/stricter-rules-motogp-wings-confirmed)

Yes, the current design will stay, but he loophole that allows them to have many different sized wings will be closed.  From next year they will be allowed a fairing with wings and one without, which was the original idea.  There will be no more swapping of wings as they please,between FP's, QP/'s and the race while abusing the rule that states small adjustments to fairing are allowed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2018, 12:08:04 pm
Absolute stunning race and super entertaining to watch.

What is interesting to me is how some riders perform well for a while and then for a number of races they cant get up to speed.
For instance,  look at Pedrosa, what is going on the last few races?  and then look at George,  he was no ware last year and this year he shines,  I would have thought that once you've reached a certain level that you would be constant.

Must say, it does make the races more entertaining and less predictable.

I think the problem is that the modern MotoGP bikes have become balanced on a very thin knife blade edge and 100% setup versus 99,9% setup can make the difference between 1st and 10th.

Much like F1 has been for years.

Just like that.  Personally, I don't  like it much, as I want to know which rider is the best, which bike is the best and not whose IT Techie is the best, but it is the way the world is moving in terms of technology, so I suppose I need to accept it.

In an ongoing effort to sort the performance issues, new rules will come next year.

-  Move to unified IMU
-  Move to unified canbus
-  Stricter rules around the wings

It is believed some teams are using (abusing?) the IMU and canbus to override the commands from the unified ECU.  It has thus far not been proven, but to ensure it doesn't happen, these two bits will become unified as well.

As far as the wings are concerned, some teams already found and are using a loophole in the current rules.  That will be closed.

Points and condensors, here we come. :thumleft:

Ja, but the points will be Unified Points.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2018, 12:16:37 pm
So, new MotoGP team announced today.

Sepang International Circuit (SIC) will join forces with the Angel Nieto Team (Aspar) and they will be running satellite Yamahas.  Basically, SIC will take the grid spots of the Aspar team who has competed with various different brands over the years.  Currently on Ducati with Karel Abraham and Alvaro Bautista as riders.

The main sponsor and two riders must still be announced, but it is almost certain it will be Petronas as sponsor, with Dani Pedrosa and Franco Morbidelli as riders.  Further rumours are that Wilco Zeelenberg will be the Team Manager and that both bikes supplied by Yamaha will be the latest available and factory spec (at least at the start of the season).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on July 05, 2018, 03:03:07 pm
@TheBear

Is this arrangement a replacement of the Tech3 contract or is this a completely new effort, i.e. is Yamaha still looking for someone to take over the Tech3 bikes ?

I don't know how Yamaha will be able to support two "factory teams" ... it's hard enough supporting two riders in the same factory team  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on July 05, 2018, 05:54:44 pm
@TheBear

Is this arrangement a replacement of the Tech3 contract or is this a completely new effort, i.e. is Yamaha still looking for someone to take over the Tech3 bikes ?

I don't know how Yamaha will be able to support two "factory teams" ... it's hard enough supporting two riders in the same factory team  :-\
I thought Tech 3 parted with Yamaha and have signed up with KTM?

Edit for a quick google
www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2018/june/motogp-syahrin-remains-with-tech-3-after-ktm-switch/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on July 05, 2018, 07:35:15 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 07, 2018, 05:22:28 pm
@TheBear

Is this arrangement a replacement of the Tech3 contract or is this a completely new effort, i.e. is Yamaha still looking for someone to take over the Tech3 bikes ?

I don't know how Yamaha will be able to support two "factory teams" ... it's hard enough supporting two riders in the same factory team  :-\

Tech3 racing will be a KTM riding team from 2019 onward.  This arrangement is basically replacing the Tech3 team, but it is a completely new effort.  New team sponsor.  New team management.  New team owner.  New riders.  New bikes.  They will therefore not take over the Tech3 Yamahas.  Those will be history after the 2018 season.  Yamaha will not have to support two factory teams.  Keep in mind, the satellite teams pay huge amounts for the bikes, spares and support.  Basically Yamaha will only supply full support to the factory team.  The new team will get what they pay for and that price is usually negotiated with some interesting perks both ways. and often includes riders, testing and data sharing  Tech3's contract made a price for the factory bikes from the previous season and then they would upgrade as they could afford and Yamaha's willingness to supply.  The new team, so it sounds will have much more money and are pushing for a better, albeit more expensive contract. 

I think Yamaha was caught pants down during the latter half of the 2016 season and at the start of the 2017 season and is only now waking up.  My reasons are that both Honda and Ducati poached top notch software engineers from  Magneti Marelli, the manufacturers of the ECU and the software on it.   Yamaha chose not to.  Then Honda and Ducati again left Yamaha in their wake in terms of clever plans.  They decided to supply one full factory spec bike to their satellite teams.  They also signed contracts with the riders who would ride them.  So, Cal Crutchlow and Damilo Petrucci became employees of their res[pective factory teams.  These deals also required the Cal bike for Honda and the Petrucci bike for Ducati shared all info with the factory bikes and visa versa.  Honda even went one step further.  As part of their deal with Cal's team, he needs to test parts for the factory team prior to fitment on the race bikes.

Yamaha again chose not to do the same.  If Yamaha had a Magnetti Marelli expert on board and had full access to the data from a third bike, such as that of Johann Zarco, things may have been very different for Yamaha the past two seasons.  Seems they have now woken up a tad and is willing to do a similar deal with the new Yamaha satellite team.  My guess is they will contract one rider and that rider would have a full spec factory bike. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on July 12, 2018, 10:06:09 am
Ok, so I am back in a country with proper internet internet connection after our quick break in our UK holiday to go and watch MotoGP at Assen!
What can I say about the race that has not been said, or reported or posted on YouTube already?? What a race....and what an experience to have seen in in real life, live at the Cathedral of Speed......a day I will remember for a very long time.

We stayed in Amsterdam and took the train to Assen. Already at 7am in Amsterdam Central Station the vibe was cheerful and upbeat as a whole lot of people waited on the platform to catch the train to Assen. Say what you want about VR46, but he still has the biggest fanbase in MotoGP by a long shot. I would say that 75% of people I saw on the train and at Assen were wearing some or other Rossi kit. MM93 had a few followers and then here and there you saw some other numbers. But VR46 were just everywhere. He truly dominates the MotoGP Fanbase.....

I have a few pics from where we sat at Ossebroeken Tribune, they are all taken from the same spot, so not much variation  :biggrin: :biggrin:

Whoop Whoop.....Happy Days!!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-b38GPrJ/0/0215e7d2/M/IMG_8054-M.jpg)

Arriving at the Cathedral of Speed
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-9gLSW3Z/0/617c26a2/L/IMG_8056-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-5rqZDkq/0/9f4587da/L/IMG_8057-L.jpg)

Ready to Race!  :biggrin: :biggrin:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-7bV58HC/0/a373f35c/M/e7f006ee-38ce-47ea-84e5-38f79c356bb8-M.jpg)


Moto2 under way
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-3QpBcv2/0/ddb65ab4/L/201807_Assen-1001-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-6kfkMG9/0/b9bf24df/L/201807_Assen-1002-L.jpg)

Brad Binder doing his thing, he had a massive moment on the front end right in front of us....
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-wtwTm9F/0/5f07c8d3/L/201807_Assen-1003-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-wkg6Fc7/0/4cef5414/L/201807_Assen-1006-L.jpg)

The two Moto2 RedBull KTM boys klapping it
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-QT66pkB/0/e65eb093/L/201807_Assen-1005-L.jpg)

End of Moto2 Race
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-m3GXcX2/0/5d94eccc/L/201807_Assen-1008-L.jpg)


Then it was on to MotoGP proper....

Vale Fans all over the show...
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-mjrBsBC/0/0a7471e3/L/201807_Assen-1004-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-vrt7S5w/0/d30e82ac/L/201807_Assen-1016-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-nwsdGQt/0/6316d4ac/L/201807_Assen-1015-L.jpg)


The Electric Bike going around, they are really pushing this. There were commentary and interviews and what not for quite a while explaining how it will all work and how the racing will go etc etc. You cannot hear a thing when it goes past……
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-7htGGjR/0/1f851892/L/201807_Assen-1009-L.jpg)


Warm up lap
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-bQC9rpT/0/83318991/L/201807_Assen-1010-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-h4Jz43G/0/20b93b3e/L/201807_Assen-1011-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-DrgKqnL/0/37817a1d/L/201807_Assen-1012-L.jpg)


Racing – The sound is just AMAZING!!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-ThNCtwG/0/e60dc758/L/201807_Assen-1018-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-J6hBKpH/0/ec380fd6/L/201807_Assen-1020-L.jpg)

Almost every lap they came around the front guys swopped positions, the crowd was going nuts!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-cGq7n7j/0/ab77f0f3/L/201807_Assen-1019-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-HsGmLXg/0/4b494bf1/L/201807_Assen-1022-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-4DJbcKw/0/051da735/L/201807_Assen-1021-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-pp4dfM2/0/42c1b8f1/L/201807_Assen-1023-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-LDW9WwB/0/1f05f5ed/L/201807_Assen-1024-L.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-WJNsR3s/0/83390621/L/201807_Assen-1025-L.jpg)


And then, in a blink of an eye it was all over!
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2018/201807-MotoGP-Assen/i-LgMDS2D/0/7eae177c/L/201807_Assen-1026-L.jpg)


What an experience!!
 8) 8)


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 12, 2018, 11:24:45 am
What an experience indeed!!

You were lucky to watch an exciting race, I was at Catalunya this year and the race was rather dull, the crowd and the experience was fantastic though.

I didn't bother to take cell phone pics of the race, here are some I took in and around. The Spaniards are bike crazy, there are massive bike parking lots everywhere so I could get front door parking with my poegie :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2018, 11:34:46 am
Nice pics!  Thanks for sharing.  It must have been one heck of an experience.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 12:49:05 pm
Nice pics indeed, can only imagine electric bikes passes tjoepstil then the next moment a roaring desmosidici and RCV comes past ! Cant imagine racing with no sound  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2018, 01:29:47 pm
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on July 12, 2018, 03:18:32 pm
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?
Go to SBK ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: cocky on July 12, 2018, 04:22:52 pm
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?
He has just announced his retirement from racing!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2018, 04:34:55 pm
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?

Wilddogs will finally break him. :thumleft:

@ I&horse; Is that poegie you're on a little Peugoet? :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 12, 2018, 05:36:46 pm
Peugeot Tweet
110km/h flatbox bucking like a rideo bull
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2018, 06:31:23 pm
Peugeot Tweet
110km/h flatbox bucking like a rideo bull

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2018, 06:51:02 pm
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?
He has just announced his retirement from racing!

Yeah.  A bit sad for me.  I would have liked to see him on a Yamaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 13, 2018, 09:42:22 am
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?
He has just announced his retirement from racing!

Yeah.  A bit sad for me.  I would have liked to see him on a Yamaha.

Physically too small for the big bikes, but the talent was there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 13, 2018, 10:51:23 am
This evening, so they say, Dani Pedrosa will make an announcement on his future.  Will it be:

- Retirement?
- Rider for Petronas Yamaha?
- Rider for another MGP team?
- Moderator on the WildDogs Forum?
He has just announced his retirement from racing!

Yeah.  A bit sad for me.  I would have liked to see him on a Yamaha.

Physically too small for the big bikes, but the talent was there.

Not sure that he is too small.  The Repsol Honda was initially build for him specifically. 

He does have the talent,  but just like many other riders, rode in a difficult period in terms of competition.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: BiG DoM on July 14, 2018, 07:00:58 pm
Stonking final Q session - MM on point again!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2018, 10:09:52 am
Stonking final Q session - MM on point again!

Janee!  What a freaking awesome qualifying lap!? 

Seems the race will be Honda versus Ducati as the Yamahas are struggling for grip, especially if the track temperature is a bit high.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on July 15, 2018, 10:15:10 am
Start time?

Careful planning today with motogp, wimbleton, and swc final
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2018, 10:21:16 am
Start time?

Careful planning today with motogp, wimbleton, and swc final

Supersport 7:

10:45 - M3
12:15 - M2
14:00 - MGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on July 15, 2018, 10:28:57 am
Tx  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 15, 2018, 10:45:58 am
Superbru prediction ISM :(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kerritz on July 15, 2018, 10:49:47 am
Superbru prediction ISM :(

He he...anything can still happen.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2018, 10:57:17 am
Superbru prediction ISM :(

Janee!  Totally and completely.   :patch:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: EtienneXplore on July 15, 2018, 11:37:36 am
Loved this write up by the guy that does the Dear George write ups.... I used to love the Dear George pieces, but he lost some witt and sharpness and it just bacame a bit of a shit-show, but this is really well written and very true...... Dani is gonna be missed in MotoGP

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/dani-pedrosa-the-biggest-racer-of-all-time/


DANI PEDROSA – THE BIGGEST RACER OF ALL TIME
I realise most people could not give a toss about my state of mind. My happiness or sadness is, after all, my business.

But I am ineffably saddened to hear of Dani Pedrosa’s retirement from MotoGP.
I’m not even sure why I’m so sad.
I don’t know Dani, I have never been a particular fan of his – certainly not in the early days of his career when I published some terribly hateful articles decrying his lack of championships, but I have very much come to truly admire and respect him over the last few seasons.
But I don’t know if that’s why I am so sad he’s retiring.
I admired and respected Casey Stoner, but I did not then and do not now give a shit about his retirement from MotoGP.
So I’m not at all sure why I’m so sad about Dani’s departure from the sport I love so much.
Perhaps I shall know the answer to this at the end of this piece.
I can only vaguely imagine how difficult the decision to retire from MotoGP must have been for him.
I have no terms of reference, of course, but to spend your entire life racing at a level maybe only a dozen other men on this earth can even approach and then decide to leave it all behind, could not have been easy.
But I cannot at all imagine how difficult just being Dani Pedrosa, Factory Honda racer, must have been all this time.
How hard must it have been to race in the shadow of two of the greatest talents MotoGP has ever seen?
He was team-mate to both Stoner and Marquez.
How the fuck must that have clawed at his psyche each round? How mentally tough must Dani really be?
How was he even able to produce the results he produced?
And of course he did produce results.
Quite apart from his three world championships (one in the 125cc class and two in the 250cc class), Dani has 54 Grand Prix wins, 31 MotoGP wins, and has stood on the podium 153 times in the 18 seasons he has raced.
There’s no “probably” about it. He is the greatest motorcycle racer to have never won a MotoGP championship.
And at some stage in the relatively recent past, Dani Pedrosa must have come to understand that he will never win a MotoGP championship.
And with that realisation, the terrible decision-making process to retire must have begun.
We could all certainly see he’d been struggling on the Michelin tyres in the last two seasons.
And the Honda is a mean bastard of a thing to ride. It takes a freak like Marquez to fire it across the finish line.
There is no question Dani himself would have come to the realisation that astride that Honda and running those tyres, that elusive championship was just never going to happen.
Should he have maybe gone over to the new Petronas satellite Yamaha team with Morbidelli next year?
He possibly could have won a few races astride the gentler, smoother and more forgiving Yamaha.
Or maybe not, and I reckon the attraction of being a satellite rider is somewhat less than being a factory rider.
I do not know the mind of Dani Pedrosa, bit I imagine there could not have been all that much appeal in partnering Morbidelli.
What I do know about Dani is that he is a racer, forged in the fire of hard competition, annealed by cruel disasters, and tempered by occasional triumphs.
He has raced against and beaten the greatest racers of all time. On a good day, he is unbeatable.
It’s easy to forget he is physically the smallest racer out there. He always has been.
And that cannot ever have been easy for him. I cannot imagine what life would be like being 1.5m tall and weighing 51kgs – and carrying a heart the size of a horse.
But throughout and despite it all, Dani has maintained a unyielding and rather transcendental dignity.
Many people, including myself, took this dignity to be some kind of personality-free zone. And to my shame, I derided him for it.
After all, how can anyone compete with Rossi in the personality stakes? They can’t – and attempts by racers like Lorenzo to imitate Rossi’s post-win hi-jinks invariable come across as lame and forced.
But of course, MotoGP is not really a personality contest – even though the possession of a personality and the ability to promote it certainly does pay dividends.
What also pays dividends is integrity – and that is certainly one quality Dani Pedrosa has in quantities even Rossi would envy.
Dani is a clean racer. No-one can say otherwise. He has avoided off-track scandals and on-track histrionics. He races hard, very hard, but he always races clean. He is beautiful to watch.
I guess if you’re mixing it with him, you know he’s not going to chuck a Crazy Ivan manoeuvre and send you both into the gravel.
I have also come to appreciate his vast sportsmanship. Never was this more apparent than in recent times when Rossi, Marquez, and Lorenzo were all beating each other with handbags, making snide asides to the press, and generally pretending they were individually without any blame and the fault for whatever always lay with the other swine.
I love that in MotoGP. It gives the whole thing a soap-opera quality and humanises the racers.
But what I also loved was the way Dani Pedrosa behaved when he was asked by the media for his take on the internecine battles between 93, 99 and 46.
He was all class. He made no judgements on any of them. He said nothing controversial (which was in and of itself worthy of controversy), and was nothing if not conciliatory and consummately professional.
I suddenly found myself liking him. A great, great deal.
I am a fanatical Rossi supporter. One-eyed and feral.
But I reckon I have also become a dead-set Dani Pedrosa fan. He has made me into a fan of his.
So much so that when he passes Rossi, I cheer him on. I want him to do well, and I want him to vanquish his enemies.
And I don’t want him to retire.
He has been part of my MotoGP experience for the past 18 years. It’s hard to imagine the field without him.
His influence on the sport will always be understated, much like himself, but it cannot ever be denied.
I wish him every success in whatever he decides to do next and I hope the rest of his life is filled with good health and happiness, and that he gets a thousand-fold the joy he has given MotoGP fans over the last 18 years.

May the Gods of Speed watch over him and bless him.

Gracias por todo, Dani Pedrosa. Via con Dios.


 :thumleft: :thumleft:

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JonW on July 15, 2018, 11:56:18 am
Great article  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Gingerball on July 15, 2018, 12:59:17 pm
Lekker Binder  :thumleft:

Good weekend for SA so far. Now Kevin must do his part.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: BiG DoM on July 15, 2018, 01:04:48 pm
BINDER THE BOIKIE!  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on July 15, 2018, 01:15:41 pm
Great Ride, hope he takes this Morale booster to propel him him to new Heights.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 15, 2018, 01:27:50 pm
Bradical!!!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on July 15, 2018, 03:23:49 pm
#41  :thumleft: :thumleft:

Great ride
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 15, 2018, 05:42:18 pm
Stonking final Q session - MM on point again!

Janee!  What a freaking awesome qualifying lap!? 

Seems the race will be Honda versus Ducati as the Yamahas are struggling for grip, especially if the track temperature is a bit high.


Have faith brother.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: mtr89 on July 15, 2018, 08:20:18 pm
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 16, 2018, 07:55:50 am
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

Perhaps tyre choice cost Lorenzo, but I believe he got psyched out, as he always does when he lands in a overtaking/duelling situation. He is a "in front and away" sort of rider.

The little Spaniard is no freak, it would have been exactly the same, in reverse, if Rossi was his age now and MM Rossi's.

In fact, I'd say that if roles were reversed between MM and Valentino, Rossi would have won by about 6 seconds.

The fact that MM could only pull 2 or 3 seconds out of the old age home does not look good for MM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 16, 2018, 08:23:13 am
Personally I believe 2-3 seconds is all he wanted as a buffer as he needed to nurse his rear tire home. If I recall he was also on a soft rear. I also believe Rossi could have pushed a bit harder but new MM had more a little more in reserve and for the same reason worried more about maintaining his second spot. But we can never Know what is going on in there minds.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 16, 2018, 08:26:11 am
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

Perhaps tyre choice cost Lorenzo, but I believe he got psyched out, as he always does when he lands in a overtaking/duelling situation. He is a "in front and away" sort of rider.

The little Spaniard is no freak, it would have been exactly the same, in reverse, if Rossi was his age now and MM Rossi's.

In fact, I'd say that if roles were reversed between MM and Valentino, Rossi would have won by about 6 seconds.

The fact that MM could only pull 2 or 3 seconds out of the old age home does not look good for MM.

They are all freaks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 16, 2018, 08:59:18 am
Great article  :thumleft:

+1!   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 16, 2018, 09:00:53 am
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

VR can beat MM as can MV, but not before Yamaha have managed to sort their acceleration issues. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 16, 2018, 09:08:33 am
Superbru prediction ISM :(

Had a crap weekend on SB
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 16, 2018, 09:15:52 am
Ianone did so well in FP this weekend, so I took a gamble on him...........pffft
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on July 16, 2018, 10:04:29 am
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

VR can beat MM as can MV, but not before Yamaha have managed to sort their acceleration issues.

@TheBear .... I saw reports on another website that Yamaha will be bringing major upgrades to the electronics package, but it looks like they need further testing and fine tuning which they will on Monday testing after the race in Bruno

That Yamaha is as slow as a tired Lesotho donkey carrying two bags of mealies and a rider  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 16, 2018, 11:51:59 am
Superbru prediction ISM :(

Had a crap weekend on SB

I don't even want to look!   :o

EDIT:  I looked.   >:( >:(

EDIT AGAIN:  I shouldn't have!   :-[ :-[

I must have been half asleep when I did my SB as I don't have MM in the top 10!  I have him up for fastest lap, but then somehow left him out on the results.  Old age is a terrible thing I tell you!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 16, 2018, 07:58:43 pm
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

VR can beat MM as can MV, but not before Yamaha have managed to sort their acceleration issues.

@TheBear .... I saw reports on another website that Yamaha will be bringing major upgrades to the electronics package, but it looks like they need further testing and fine tuning which they will on Monday testing after the race in Bruno

That Yamaha is as slow as a tired Lesotho donkey carrying two bags of mealies and a rider  :pot:

This is why I love Yamahas so much......even this slow they cover 2/3rds of the podium. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 17, 2018, 09:03:18 am
A great race but was hoping Rossi could give MM a bit more of a fight than he did.Can Rossi still beat MM?
The little Spaniard is freak.
Poor tyre choice by Lorenzo and it cost him too.
MotoGP never gets old

VR can beat MM as can MV, but not before Yamaha have managed to sort their acceleration issues.

@TheBear .... I saw reports on another website that Yamaha will be bringing major upgrades to the electronics package, but it looks like they need further testing and fine tuning which they will on Monday testing after the race in Bruno

That Yamaha is as slow as a tired Lesotho donkey carrying two bags of mealies and a rider  :pot:

This is why I love Yamahas so much......even this slow they cover 2/3rds of the podium. :ricky: :ricky:

Yeah, not bad.  Of course, not the best two steps on that podium.  Also, remember, one donkey doesn't make a Lesotho, but podiumwise Yamaha is not doing too badly.  This year there were 27 podium slots available.  They went to Yamaha: 10.  Honda 8.  Suzuki 5:  Ducati 4.    Problem is, there were 9 top spots available and they went to Honda 6.  Yamaha 0.  Ducati 3.  Suzuki 0.

Time that you borrow a phone, make a call to Mr. Yamaha-san and scream in his ear.  Loudly, aggressively and repeatedly!



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 17, 2018, 11:07:57 am
@TheBear .... I saw reports on another website that Yamaha will be bringing major upgrades to the electronics package, but it looks like they need further testing and fine tuning which they will on Monday testing after the race in Bruno



I have seen the same, which interest me as all bikes are using the unified electronics package provided by Dorna, therefore they all start equal.  Each team however calibrate their own ECU to suit their bike and Yamaha has struggled for more than a year now.  It would be interesting to see if, when they get to BRNO, the Yamaha propeller heads have managed to come up with some working solution.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 17, 2018, 11:08:47 am
So, the new title sponsor from 2019 for Yamaha will be Monster Energy.  I hope they don't paint the bikes green!

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/17-07-2018-monster-energy-company-and-yamaha-factory-racing-motogp-team-announce-new-title-sponsorship-agreement

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 17, 2018, 03:48:58 pm
So, the new title sponsor from 2019 for Yamaha will be Monster Energy.  I hope they don't paint the bikes green!

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/17-07-2018-monster-energy-company-and-yamaha-factory-racing-motogp-team-announce-new-title-sponsorship-agreement

I want Kawasaki back, but will have to shout for Green Yamaha's  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 18, 2018, 12:51:41 pm
So, the new title sponsor from 2019 for Yamaha will be Monster Energy.  I hope they don't paint the bikes green!

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/17-07-2018-monster-energy-company-and-yamaha-factory-racing-motogp-team-announce-new-title-sponsorship-agreement

I want Kawasaki back, but will have to shout for Green Yamaha's  :laughing4:

Sjoe!  I can handle many things, even MM riding a Yamaha, or VR a Ducati.  Would even handle 2SD fall in love with a BMW, but a GREEN YAMAHA!  No.  Just no.  Sies! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 18, 2018, 01:32:13 pm
So, the new title sponsor from 2019 for Yamaha will be Monster Energy.  I hope they don't paint the bikes green!

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/17-07-2018-monster-energy-company-and-yamaha-factory-racing-motogp-team-announce-new-title-sponsorship-agreement

I want Kawasaki back, but will have to shout for Green Yamaha's  :laughing4:

Sjoe!  I can handle many things, even MM riding a Yamaha, or VR a Ducati.  Would even handle 2SD fall in love with a BMW, but a GREEN YAMAHA!  No.  Just no.  Sies!

One of my favourite bikes is a 1973 360 dt, in GREEN. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 18, 2018, 01:38:46 pm
So, the new title sponsor from 2019 for Yamaha will be Monster Energy.  I hope they don't paint the bikes green!

https://www.yamahamotogp.com/news/17-07-2018-monster-energy-company-and-yamaha-factory-racing-motogp-team-announce-new-title-sponsorship-agreement

I want Kawasaki back, but will have to shout for Green Yamaha's  :laughing4:

Sjoe!  I can handle many things, even MM riding a Yamaha, or VR a Ducati.  Would even handle 2SD fall in love with a BMW, but a GREEN YAMAHA!  No.  Just no.  Sies!

One of my favourite bikes is a 1973 360 dt, in GREEN. :ricky:

My first ever bike, which also happened to be my first ever Yamaha was green.  So, to ensure no misunderstanding, let me rephrase.  A GREEN MOTOGP / WSBK ROAD RACE ONLY YAMAHA!  Sies!   :biggrin:

A racing Yamaha should be blue or yellow.  Preferably yellow.

(http://www.roadracingworld.com/RFS/rrw/ImportedMedia/77200522258PM_520_original1120750465.jpg?size=630)



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on July 18, 2018, 03:48:11 pm
We need Kawasaki back in MotoGP ... surely they must be bored of dominating WSBK by now ... they have won like the last 10 years unchallenged

BMW also needs to get involved in MotoGp  ... at the moment it's a one man show ... starting to get quite boring as well ...

Ducati has gone backwards, Dovi suddenly cannot ride the bike

Suzuki / Aprilia / KTM .... what on earth are they doing ... the bikes are stuck in fourth gear down the straights or something
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 18, 2018, 04:13:40 pm
The actual top speeds are not that far apart except Ducatti. I think its the whole package especially adapting electronics to handling. I have no doubt the others who are relatively new into MotoGP will catch up give them another year or two especially Suzuki and KTM. Remember Yamaha and Honda have years on everyone else even Ducatti.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: punisher on July 18, 2018, 05:01:50 pm
i heard that the electronic packages available will all be the same from next year

even heard soome okes saying that honda and ducati use a "less than legal package at the moment ????

any clever okes that can clear this up ?/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 18, 2018, 06:02:44 pm
i heard that the electronic packages available will all be the same from next year

even heard soome okes saying that honda and ducati use a "less than legal package at the moment ????

any clever okes that can clear this up ?/

Forming my own opinion from all I have heard, seen or read, I can only come to the conclusion that Yamaha is "struggling" simply because they are the only top team who rides the ECU by the rules.

Everything points to Duke and Stronda  :thumleft: illegally tweaking their units.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 11:00:31 am
i heard that the electronic packages available will all be the same from next year

even heard soome okes saying that honda and ducati use a "less than legal package at the moment ????

any clever okes that can clear this up ?/

Their ECUs have been the same, unified and supplied by Dorna) for all since start of the 2016 season.  There are whispering that some manufacturers, no names mentioned, have adapted a small part of the OEM electronics (measures inertia) to also do ECU calculations and use those to override the unified ECU supplied by Dorna.  This IUM will now also be replaced by a unified system from next year.

i heard that the electronic packages available will all be the same from next year

even heard soome okes saying that honda and ducati use a "less than legal package at the moment ????

any clever okes that can clear this up ?/

Forming my own opinion from all I have heard, seen or read, I can only come to the conclusion that Yamaha is "struggling" simply because they are the only top team who rides the ECU by the rules.

Everything points to Duke and Stronda  :thumleft: illegally tweaking their units.

You may well be 100% correct.

The actual top speeds are not that far apart except Ducatti. I think its the whole package especially adapting electronics to handling. I have no doubt the others who are relatively new into MotoGP will catch up give them another year or two especially Suzuki and KTM. Remember Yamaha and Honda have years on everyone else even Ducatti.

Everyone, except Yamaha, Honda and Ducati have exemption from certain rules to help them perform better.  Suzuki is doing well as they will loose their concession if they make one more dry race podium.

You are totally correct about actual top speeds though.  The top speeds are very similar.  The difference is in handling and how fast they get to their top speed.  Acceleration to top speed is where Yamaha is struggling badly. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 19, 2018, 03:11:42 pm
i heard that the electronic packages available will all be the same from next year

even heard soome okes saying that honda and ducati use a "less than legal package at the moment ????

any clever okes that can clear this up ?/

Forming my own opinion from all I have heard, seen or read, I can only come to the conclusion that Yamaha is "struggling" simply because they are the only top team who rides the ECU by the rules.

Everything points to Duke and Stronda  :thumleft: illegally tweaking their units.

Oi Dan dont hide behind the smoke :)
The ECU's are legal. Do you really think your favourite Yamaha team will pass on ANY opportunity to protest another manufacturer/rider, to give them a better chance, Those fairy tails just do not happen in motorsport :)

All manufacturers are pushing the rules. You would be stupid to cheat on a modified ECU, because it is highly regulated, but you will not be stupid to develop electronics not being specified by the rule book, in this case, read sensors. Instead of just a normal sensor, they now started building intelligence into it. There will always be these developments pushing the limits on items not covered in detail by the rule book. Typical example will be the the wings they used last year, that was classified as a safety issue. What did they do, they just moved it to the inside of the fairing
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on July 19, 2018, 03:21:12 pm
Oh no!!!!!

Not the truth!!!!

Give us anything but the truth, please Snafu!!!

:eek:

:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 19, 2018, 03:43:22 pm
It could also be the engine. Honda had the same problem and it was not the ECU that had to be changed but the power delivery of the engine. The engine had to be redesigned.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2018, 04:46:51 pm
Oh no!!!!!

Not the truth!!!!

Give us anything but the truth, please Snafu!!!

:eek:

:laughing7:

The truth is a bitter cocktail, thus Snafu and Bus' response........ :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2018, 04:48:10 pm
It could also be the engine. Honda had the same problem and it was not the ECU that had to be changed but the power delivery of the engine. The engine had to be redesigned.

I do not think so, as the engine is one compartment thoroughly covered by Yamaha and Honda alike. They are both masters of the 4stroke engine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on July 19, 2018, 09:27:12 pm
Don't panic, lads .... once those bikes are green, they'll perform properly, you'll see.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 09:37:11 pm
It could also be the engine. Honda had the same problem and it was not the ECU that had to be changed but the power delivery of the engine. The engine had to be redesigned.

I do not think so, as the engine is one compartment thoroughly covered by Yamaha and Honda alike. They are both masters of the 4stroke engine.

Agreed Danie.  The Yamaha engine is fine.  No worse than the Honda, possibly even better.  The problem is that Yamaha cannot control it properly.  The power delivery of the modern engine is directly related to how well the ECU can control it.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 09:38:40 pm
Oi Dan dont hide behind the smoke :)
The ECU's are legal. Do you really think your favourite Yamaha team will pass on ANY opportunity to protest another manufacturer/rider, to give them a better chance, Those fairy tails just do not happen in motorsport :)


The ECU's are legal.  The question is about the IMU.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2018, 10:02:53 pm
Oi Dan dont hide behind the smoke :)
The ECU's are legal. Do you really think your favourite Yamaha team will pass on ANY opportunity to protest another manufacturer/rider, to give them a better chance, Those fairy tails just do not happen in motorsport :)


The ECU's are legal.  The question is about the IMU.

The Yamaha's IMU is in too much of a hurry to measure forward progress, and it allows the tyre to lose traction. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 20, 2018, 10:05:12 am
Oi Dan dont hide behind the smoke :)
The ECU's are legal. Do you really think your favourite Yamaha team will pass on ANY opportunity to protest another manufacturer/rider, to give them a better chance, Those fairy tails just do not happen in motorsport :)


The ECU's are legal.  The question is about the IMU.

What I said, but there is currently no regulation on these sensors
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 20, 2018, 10:10:22 am
I believe that is going to be regulated next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 20, 2018, 10:37:24 am
I believe that is going to be regulated next year.

Probably will be.

Personally, I am against the "standardization" of equipment. By all means, regulate it, but why dumb down technology. Let it evolve and let the man in the street benefit
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2018, 01:19:34 pm
Oi Dan dont hide behind the smoke :)
The ECU's are legal. Do you really think your favourite Yamaha team will pass on ANY opportunity to protest another manufacturer/rider, to give them a better chance, Those fairy tails just do not happen in motorsport :)


The ECU's are legal.  The question is about the IMU.

What I said, but there is currently no regulation on these sensors

Cool.  I misread what you said.  As I understand it, it is almost impossible to check these IMU thingies as well and as such, the OEM models are gone from 2019 onward.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2018, 01:22:37 pm
I believe that is going to be regulated next year.

Probably will be.

Personally, I am against the "standardization" of equipment. By all means, regulate it, but why dumb down technology. Let it evolve and let the man in the street benefit

I would have agreed a decade or so ago, but in the modern world thing does seem to be a tad out of hand.  I want to see who can build the best bike, not who can hire the best IT techies.  Also, when they are limited in one area, development immediately starts in another.  If it wasn't for the quick shifter ban, we would not have seen the birth of the seamless gearbox.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 20, 2018, 03:52:09 pm
The best bike will be the result and combination of  1000's of components. The technology filters down to the man in the street, which to me is the most important. Be it ECU's tyres whatever.
Unfortunately, electronics will play a huge roll in future, so the best is to "stop" the development?

I understand where you are coming from. It is a good debate and one that we had numerous times, without really coming to any conclusion :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on July 21, 2018, 09:06:45 am
The best bike will be the result and combination of  1000's of components. The technology filters down to the man in the street, which to me is the most important. Be it ECU's tyres whatever.
Unfortunately, electronics will play a huge roll in future, so the best is to "stop" the development?

I understand where you are coming from. It is a good debate and one that we had numerous times, without really coming to any conclusion :)

I agree, racing is about tech and rider coming together... always was
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 23, 2018, 11:46:34 am
The best bike will be the result and combination of  1000's of components. The technology filters down to the man in the street, which to me is the most important. Be it ECU's tyres whatever.
Unfortunately, electronics will play a huge roll in future, so the best is to "stop" the development?

I understand where you are coming from. It is a good debate and one that we had numerous times, without really coming to any conclusion :)

Agreed that the best bike is made up of 1000's of components and I am personally not always sure that regulating any part is the way to go, but (right or wrong) it is how it has been done over the decades.   There had been many parts regulated over the years, most if which we don't even know about.  We all know about the bigger, more controversial ones such as one brand of tyres.  There are many other examples.  Brake disc size.  Bore and stroke limitations.  Swing arm design, etc.     Electronics is just a newer addition to the list and way more difficult to monitor and control.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 23, 2018, 11:54:13 am
The best bike will be the result and combination of  1000's of components. The technology filters down to the man in the street, which to me is the most important. Be it ECU's tyres whatever.
Unfortunately, electronics will play a huge roll in future, so the best is to "stop" the development?

I understand where you are coming from. It is a good debate and one that we had numerous times, without really coming to any conclusion :)

I agree, racing is about tech and rider coming together... always was

Always is such a long time and you are not quite correct.  There has always been limiting rules and regulations.   Rules governing unified tyres and tyre compounds?  Prescribed weight and engine specs down to bore and stroke limitations.  No quick shifters allowed, or only 6 gears allowed.  Even wheel sizes were prescribed, etc.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 23, 2018, 04:46:33 pm
Clever people always find ways to bend the rules, especially in motor sport.  :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 23, 2018, 08:51:38 pm
Clever people always find ways to bend the rules, especially in motor sport.  :xxbah:

Clever, or dishonest? Tour de France riders is possibly the best known example of "bending the rules".
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 06:05:23 am
Clever people always find ways to bend the rules, especially in motor sport.  :xxbah:

Clever, or dishonest? Tour de France riders is possibly the best known example of "bending the rules".

Rough Rider, you are correct, they always find a way, but as Danie said, they are not clever, they are just skelm.  When "bending the rules" they only show they cannot win within the pre-determined rules of the particular sport.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on July 24, 2018, 08:25:15 am
Almost as skelm as having special tyres shipped to you the night before a race?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 08:35:08 am
That sounds like sour grapes. Bending the rules or bringing in new Technology which is the way I see it has been part of Motor racing since day dot and the very reason manufacturers race. Cars would not be what they are today if it was not for F1 and bikes probably as well if not for racing. I still say the Yamaha problem is not only electroncs the Engine is to Viscous
you cannot fix Bore and Stroke with electronics you may tame a bit but if the engine cannot make low down torque you will not get a straight torque curve. Yamaha cannot change there Engine design till next year. Is this not why they have publicly said they do not think they will have a complete fix this year. Apparently the engineers are avoiding Rossi. Honda went through the same thing and had to wait a year. The only Guy that could manage the bike was MM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 08:52:34 am
That sounds like sour grapes. Bending the rules or bringing in new Technology which is the way I see it has been part of Motor racing since day dot and the very reason manufacturers race. Cars would not be what they are today if it was not for F1 and bikes probably as well if not for racing. I still say the Yamaha problem is not only electroncs the Engine is to Viscous
you cannot fix Bore and Stroke with electronics you may tame a bit but if the engine cannot make low down torque you will not get a straight torque curve. Yamaha cannot change there Engine design till next year. Is this not why they have publicly said they do not think they will have a complete fix this year. Apparently the engineers are avoiding Rossi. Honda went through the same thing and had to wait a year. The only Guy that could manage the bike was MM.

Development and growth of new technology withing the rules are the way it should be.  There have been many examples of various manufacturers making huge technology jumps 100% within the rules.  No rule bending required.  I believe it is this that develops the technology we see in the next generation road bike.  For instance, if there was no ban on quick shifters in MGP, there woul dhave been no seamless gearbox.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 24, 2018, 09:46:50 am
You are either running a legal or an illegal bike, Nothing in between.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 10:31:13 am
Absolutely agree and no manufacturer can afford the scandal of being labelled a cheat. Or court cases. Ie VW Diesel gate.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 12:06:02 pm
You are either running a legal or an illegal bike, Nothing in between.

Fully agreed, but as we know, no matter how well you define rules, there are always loopholes and many will go for them.

Absolutely agree and no manufacturer can afford the scandal of being labelled a cheat. Or court cases. Ie VW Diesel gate.

Thing is, VW Dieselgate happened.  Nissan was caught for a similar thing recently. If they think they can get away with it, they will cheat.

I believe they will push the rules as hard and as far as they can, even to a point of cheating.  Firstly they will know exactly how to plead the "loophole" case.  Secondly, they also know a very small minority of racing fans are interested enough to know if they are caught.  A percentage of those will agree that they were not cheating, but rather "bending" the rule.  A percentage more won't give a damn and another group will forget all about it in a few days.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 12:09:16 pm
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 12:12:24 pm
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

Of course it is and therefore the organisers and governing bodies will spend lots of time and money to try and prevent it.

My question to you is, at what point does it become unacceptable?  Would it be okay if one of the manufacturers is running 1100cc engines, for instance?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 12:28:33 pm
The Rules are clearly defined the engines are checked and sealed at the beginning of the season. In f1 they have banned traction control methods many times. The teams just keep finding another way of doing it this is called progress. Every team has engineers working within the rules to try and find an advantage. The governing body will then review end of the year. In F1 they have to keep restricting the cars other wise they would be undriveable. Already in the 80s F1 cars were pushing out 1500HP. Ground effect cars had so much G force the drivers were
vomiting in there helmets. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 12:57:25 pm
Here are the FIM Rules on MOTO GP It is a book it clearly defines every aspect of the engines 7 allowed at the beginnig no mods maybe made except for the newer teams who have concessions.   

http://www.fim-live.com/en/sport/regulations-and-documents/grand-prix/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 03:59:52 pm
The Rules are clearly defined the engines are checked and sealed at the beginning of the season. In f1 they have banned traction control methods many times. The teams just keep finding another way of doing it this is called progress. Every team has engineers working within the rules to try and find an advantage. The governing body will then review end of the year. In F1 they have to keep restricting the cars other wise they would be undriveable. Already in the 80s F1 cars were pushing out 1500HP. Ground effect cars had so much G force the drivers were
vomiting in there helmets.

It is basically why I said "for instance" about the engine being 1100cc.  I used it purely as an example.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 24, 2018, 04:18:43 pm
I dont understand the rules clearly say under 1000cc. with minimum weight of 157Kilos you can run an 800cc with less weight restrictions. Scrutineering is very strict and after every race weekend one or more bikes will be completely checked randomly selected and the winning bikes are normally selected the most. Motor changes require the old motor to go back to the scrutineers to be checked if requested were they are stripped. If you are going to cheat you are taking a big chance. These scrutineers are fully qualified engineers. You are grasping at straws. If you got left behind then you have a whole year of hard work to catch up before testing time then you are free to make changes.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 24, 2018, 08:12:57 pm
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

This is exactly the problem in this case, the manufacturers are not supposed to be investing millions in R+D of a "blanket-use' ECU, yet here Honda and Ducati is doing just that.

Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.

And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 09:24:03 am
I dont understand the rules clearly say under 1000cc. with minimum weight of 157Kilos you can run an 800cc with less weight restrictions. Scrutineering is very strict and after every race weekend one or more bikes will be completely checked randomly selected and the winning bikes are normally selected the most. Motor changes require the old motor to go back to the scrutineers to be checked if requested were they are stripped. If you are going to cheat you are taking a big chance. These scrutineers are fully qualified engineers. You are grasping at straws. If you got left behind then you have a whole year of hard work to catch up before testing time then you are free to make changes.



You don't understand my example because you don't want to.  I am not grasping at straws.  I am having an interesting discussion with some.  Please don't turn it into an argument that requires a winner and a loser like we see in R&P?

Just so you know.  I was a race bike scrutineer in SA for about 5 years.  Some thing just cannot be checked with relative ease and they will cheat if they think they can get away with it.  I can tell you many factual stories in this regard. 

Also, I am not the one saying there may be teams cheating with the IMU.  It is Dorna and the MGP Commission.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 25, 2018, 10:17:53 am
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

This is exactly the problem in this case, the manufacturers are not supposed to be investing millions in R+D of a "blanket-use' ECU, yet here Honda and Ducati is doing just that.

Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.

And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick.

Ouch man, so I have been a cheat for most of my racing career! :)

Example, the rule says you cannot modify the standard intake. So you make an adapter plate and fit whatever ontop of it :)
Exactly the same way Honda, Ducati, Suzuki is doing it. Yamaha "cannot get it to work"

They are still within the rules. That is until the rules get changed to accommodate the weaklings :)

@TheBear, i have been on the receiving side from scrutineers a number of times. I have been on the receiving side from protests a number of times. Not once found guilty. They key is, know your rules. Even better if you can use it to your own advantage
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 25, 2018, 10:39:26 am
There is nothing in the rules saying you cannot tamper with the IMU all the teams are doing it however Ducatti who were the first are ahead. However this is called progress but will be stopped next year with a new rule prohibiting this see quote from FIM. The ECU is untamperable and only has so many functions how the teams use those functions is up to them. Yamaha have clearly stated that they cannot fix the traction problem till next year. This clearly indicates it has something to do with engine (ie the Volume metric effeciency of the engine) normally a bore and stroke vs breathing problem. Rossi is pulling his hair out about this. Honda had exactley the same problem last year with Cruchlow saying the Bike was unrideable on certain trakes in fact downrigth dangerous Miller also complained even Marquez complained however this year they bought a totally new engine with less top end but a lot of low down traction.
 
One of the avenues engineers have explored is the use of an IMU, an inertial measurement unit. What an IMU does is report the lean angle, attitude, and acceleration of a motorcycle. By its very nature, it requires a lot of intelligence to measure and calculate all of these factors. And the suspicion has arisen that the factories are taking advantage of that intelligence to use the IMU as a sort of secondary ECU, capable of doing more calculations and modifying the inputs to the spec ECU to change the behavior of the bike. The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use
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Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.
And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick


This comment is almost Laughable. Honda Ethics vs Yamaha is an absolute joke. Honda is seen as one of the most ethical companies in the world and a world leader in Manufacturing enviromental engines it was part of Sohiros Hondas policy from day dot. Even to this day Honda plants a tree for every engine it sells whole forests have been made by Honda. On the contary Yamaha is one of the few Companies manufacturing 2 stroke engines for marine and power products which the sale of is banned in first world countries. Honda has countless firsts in enviromentle aspects and awards. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 12:32:44 pm
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

This is exactly the problem in this case, the manufacturers are not supposed to be investing millions in R+D of a "blanket-use' ECU, yet here Honda and Ducati is doing just that.

Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.

And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick.

Ouch man, so I have been a cheat for most of my racing career! :)

Example, the rule says you cannot modify the standard intake. So you make an adapter plate and fit whatever ontop of it :)
Exactly the same way Honda, Ducati, Suzuki is doing it. Yamaha "cannot get it to work"

They are still within the rules. That is until the rules get changed to accommodate the weaklings :)

@TheBear, i have been on the receiving side from scrutineers a number of times. I have been on the receiving side from protests a number of times. Not once found guilty. They key is, know your rules. Even better if you can use it to your own advantage

Of course.  It is the way of the world and especially the way of motor racing.  It is debatable whether this is right or wrong and that is what the discussion is about for me.  It is just an interesting discussion.  I have personally, frequently said that, Honda and Ducati were brilliant in poaching top notch software engineers from Magneti Marelli.  If they are cheating with the IMU, it must surely be possible thanks to these software engineers.

As an ex-scrutineer and you a "cheater" may I ask a question?  Why not just practice to ride faster instead?   >:D


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]



Yes, but it doesn't mean they can ad capabilities, not normally in the sensor, to take over ECU functionality.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 12:41:24 pm
Interesting trivia.  The only rider currently on the MGP grid who raced a 500cc two stroke is Valentino Rossi.  Also, from the current riders, only two remain who raced the 990cc four strokes, Dani Pedrosa and VR46.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 25, 2018, 12:56:08 pm
Yes, but it doesn't mean they can ad capabilities, not normally in the sensor, to take over ECU functionality.

It means exactly that as there is no rule saying you cant. This is clever use of the rules and Congratulations Ducatti for coming up with it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on July 25, 2018, 01:08:55 pm
It's only called cheating as soon as Rossi doesn't benefit from it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 01:09:11 pm
Yes, but it doesn't mean they can ad capabilities, not normally in the sensor, to take over ECU functionality.

It means exactly that as there is no rule saying you cant. This is clever use of the rules and Congratulations Ducatti for coming up with it.

I have to disagree.  It is cheating and perhaps congratulating Ducati is a tad premature as they have not been named as the team coming up with the idea.  It might even be Honda, or Suzuki, or for that matter Yamaha, but if Yamaha ..... their SW Engineer should be flogged repeatedly and continuously ....

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 01:11:15 pm
..... oeps ....   :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 25, 2018, 01:28:57 pm
Both Honda and Yamaha in 2016 were complaining that Ducatti was in colusion with Magneti Marelli ECU ™ teams another Italian company as it seemed Ducatti had ECU tech that they did not have. They accused Magneti Marelli ECU ™ teams of developing the ECU around the Ducatti motor. However it seems this is not the case it was them using the IMU wether Magneti Marelli ECU ™ teams  came with Idea or Ducatti is debatable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on July 25, 2018, 01:45:41 pm
Hey Bwana, Dorna is Spanish  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 25, 2018, 02:00:56 pm
Excuse me for writing to fast but ECU is Italian Manufacured I will correct and the story stays. Magneti Marelli ECU available to all MotoGP™ teams
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 02:03:40 pm
Both Honda and Yamaha in 2016 were complaining that Ducatti was in colusion with Dorna another Italian company as it seemed Ducatti had ECU tech that they did not have. They accused Dorna of developing the ECU around the Ducatti motor. However it seems this is not the case it was them using the IMU wether Dorna came with Idea or Ducatti is debatable.

Yeah, I remember that noise back then, but we still don't know whether it was factually correct.  I would be surprised if true for two reasons.
All three the top guys, i.e. Honda, Yamaha and Ducati had to approve the ECU and did have the right to have it redeveloped.  Possibly more important, Dorna Sport and Repsol (possibly the longest running and largest sponsor of MGP) are both Spanish companies.  I struggle to see Dorna work with an Italian company to give an Italian bike the edge.  That said, anything is possible.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 25, 2018, 02:12:11 pm
I agree but this seems to be were the development of the IMU came in by Ducatti.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 02:52:17 pm
I agree but this seems to be were the development of the IMU came in by Ducatti.

Could be, but I have to admit, I have no idea.  It could be anyone and if I personally had to finger someone, I'd probably go for Ducati or Suzuki.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 02:55:17 pm
Excuse me for writing to fast but ECU is Italian Manufacured I will correct and the story stays. Magneti Marelli ECU available to all MotoGP™ teams

Technically, so is Yamaha!   :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 25, 2018, 03:43:48 pm
It's only called cheating as soon as Rossi doesn't benefit from it.

So nice to see the penny drop. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 26, 2018, 08:55:16 am
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

This is exactly the problem in this case, the manufacturers are not supposed to be investing millions in R+D of a "blanket-use' ECU, yet here Honda and Ducati is doing just that.

Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.

And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick.

Ouch man, so I have been a cheat for most of my racing career! :)

Example, the rule says you cannot modify the standard intake. So you make an adapter plate and fit whatever ontop of it :)
Exactly the same way Honda, Ducati, Suzuki is doing it. Yamaha "cannot get it to work"

They are still within the rules. That is until the rules get changed to accommodate the weaklings :)

@TheBear, i have been on the receiving side from scrutineers a number of times. I have been on the receiving side from protests a number of times. Not once found guilty. They key is, know your rules. Even better if you can use it to your own advantage

Of course.  It is the way of the world and especially the way of motor racing.  It is debatable whether this is right or wrong and that is what the discussion is about for me.  It is just an interesting discussion.  I have personally, frequently said that, Honda and Ducati were brilliant in poaching top notch software engineers from Magneti Marelli. If they are cheating with the IMU, it must surely be possible thanks to these software engineers.

As an ex-scrutineer and you a "cheater" may I ask a question?  Why not just practice to ride faster instead?   >:D


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]



Yes, but it doesn't mean they can ad capabilities, not normally in the sensor, to take over ECU functionality.

How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 11:49:21 am
How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Well, I suppose it all depends on how we, as a person, look at the world of rules, regulations and laws and how we then interpret those rules, regulations and laws..  I see the fact that since there is a prescribed ECU that automatically means you cannot add another ECU or ECU capable device to override the prescribed ECU.  Others won't and that is why we have and need rule enforcers, rule writers and rule re-writers, courts of law, appeals courts, etc. 

The interesting bit about us humans, is we will change our perception as well.  If you are the one with the ECU capable doohickey kicking the crap out of me on track, you will say: "where in the rules does it say the doohickey is not allowed to have ECU capabilities?"  If I am the one kicking your arse on track because I have made that little mod you are bound to scream: "you are a cheat!!!"   >:D



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 26, 2018, 12:26:13 pm
As said before all bikes have there own IMU if they have managed to find other uses for the IMU it is called progress and will probably filter to production bikes one day. It is clever this is one of the reasons manufacturers go racing. Competition has come up with some amazing Tech.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 12:38:54 pm
As said before all bikes have there own IMU if they have managed to find other uses for the IMU it is called progress and will probably filter to production bikes one day. It is clever this is one of the reasons manufacturers go racing. Competition has come up with some amazing Tech.

Technically they are not breaking the rules, but they know the reason for restricting the ECU and they have found a workaround - which in my book is still cheating.   

It's the same with those hideous fairing wings  :xxbah: :xxbah: :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 12:42:12 pm
As said before all bikes have there own IMU if they have managed to find other uses for the IMU it is called progress and will probably filter to production bikes one day. It is clever this is one of the reasons manufacturers go racing. Competition has come up with some amazing Tech.

No production bike would ever require ECU capabilities in their IMU, since there is no need for a production bike to cheat with the capabilities of the ECU. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 26, 2018, 12:44:53 pm
Technically they are not breaking the rules, but they know the reason for restricting the ECU and they have found a workaround - which in my book is still cheating.   

It's the same with those hideous fairing wings  :xxbah: :xxbah: :xxbah
:

So they are all cheating now as everyone is doing it albeit some better than others. You use the word Technically maybe you mean Morally as Technically they are not cheating.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 12:54:26 pm
Technically they are not breaking the rules, but they know the reason for restricting the ECU and they have found a workaround - which in my book is still cheating.   

It's the same with those hideous fairing wings  :xxbah: :xxbah: :xxbah
:

So they are all cheating now as everyone is doing it albeit some better than others. You use the word Technically maybe you mean Morally as Technically they are not cheating.

Spot on - Technically not breaking the rules but morally they are  :3some: :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 26, 2018, 12:56:40 pm
How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Well, I suppose it all depends on how we, as a person, look at the world of rules, regulations and laws and how we then interpret those rules, regulations and laws..  I see the fact that since there is a prescribed ECU that automatically means you cannot add another ECU or ECU capable device to override the prescribed ECU.  Others won't and that is why we have and need rule enforcers, rule writers and rule re-writers, courts of law, appeals courts, etc. 

The interesting bit about us humans, is we will change our perception as well.  If you are the one with the ECU capable doohickey kicking the crap out of me on track, you will say: "where in the rules does it say the doohickey is not allowed to have ECU capabilities?"  If I am the one kicking your arse on track because I have made that little mod you are bound to scream: "you are a cheat!!!"   >:D


You bringing the human factor and your emotions into this. It is very simple, only the rule book matters. Something not addressed by the rule book, is not regulated.

Where does it end? Only one diameter exhaust pipe/header can be used? Only one exhaust manufacturer can be used? Only one frame can be used? Only one engine can be used? Only one IMU can be used? It will be cheaper and more competitive, right?

This is the premier motorcycle formula, not a class that you want to make as cheap as possible for local amateurs
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 12:58:37 pm
How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Well, I suppose it all depends on how we, as a person, look at the world of rules, regulations and laws and how we then interpret those rules, regulations and laws..  I see the fact that since there is a prescribed ECU that automatically means you cannot add another ECU or ECU capable device to override the prescribed ECU.  Others won't and that is why we have and need rule enforcers, rule writers and rule re-writers, courts of law, appeals courts, etc. 

The interesting bit about us humans, is we will change our perception as well.  If you are the one with the ECU capable doohickey kicking the crap out of me on track, you will say: "where in the rules does it say the doohickey is not allowed to have ECU capabilities?"  If I am the one kicking your arse on track because I have made that little mod you are bound to scream: "you are a cheat!!!"   >:D


You bringing the human factor and your emotions into this. It is very simple, only the rule book matters. Something not addressed by the rule book, is not regulated.

Where does it end? Only one diameter exhaust pipe/header can be used? Only one exhaust manufacturer can be used? Only one frame can be used? Only one engine can be used? Only one IMU can be used? It will be cheaper and more competitive, right?

This is the premier motorcycle formula, not a class that you want to make as cheap as possible for local amateurs

Well then make it a free for all; physics will regulate it. If they think they can win using a 3.0l 2T let them try.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 26, 2018, 01:00:29 pm
You bringing the human factor and your emotions into this. It is very simple, only the rule book matters. Something not addressed by the rule book, is not regulated.

Where does it end? Only one diameter exhaust pipe/header can be used? Only one exhaust manufacturer can be used? Only one frame can be used? Only one engine can be used? Only one IMU can be used? It will be cheaper and more competitive, right?

This is the premier motorcycle formula, not a class that you want to make as cheap as possible for local amateurs[

100% correct. Otherwise the conclusion would also be as now all the manufacturers are modifying the IMU, that they are all cheats.
 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 01:05:15 pm
Maybe they should not regulate the bikes but regulate the tracks by making them super tight and technical.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 26, 2018, 01:20:21 pm
The tracks are there to make it exciting. What ever they do to the tracks the manufacturers will come up with  new Hi-tech for those tracks.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 01:39:57 pm
How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Well, I suppose it all depends on how we, as a person, look at the world of rules, regulations and laws and how we then interpret those rules, regulations and laws..  I see the fact that since there is a prescribed ECU that automatically means you cannot add another ECU or ECU capable device to override the prescribed ECU.  Others won't and that is why we have and need rule enforcers, rule writers and rule re-writers, courts of law, appeals courts, etc. 

The interesting bit about us humans, is we will change our perception as well.  If you are the one with the ECU capable doohickey kicking the crap out of me on track, you will say: "where in the rules does it say the doohickey is not allowed to have ECU capabilities?"  If I am the one kicking your arse on track because I have made that little mod you are bound to scream: "you are a cheat!!!"   >:D


You bringing the human factor and your emotions into this. It is very simple, only the rule book matters. Something not addressed by the rule book, is not regulated.

Where does it end? Only one diameter exhaust pipe/header can be used? Only one exhaust manufacturer can be used? Only one frame can be used? Only one engine can be used? Only one IMU can be used? It will be cheaper and more competitive, right?

This is the premier motorcycle formula, not a class that you want to make as cheap as possible for local amateurs

Well, of course I mentioned the human factor and emotions because that is what is in play when we (you and I) decide whether a team is cheating, or not and your original question me was, how could I say they are cheating.  All I did was respond to your question exactly how I felt and why.  It is also because of how I see it that I differ from your viewpoint that whatever is not mentioned is not regulated.  That does not mean you are wrong, or I am right.  I just means I see it differently.

Where does it end?  Where indeed.  The more perceived cheating, the more rules will be made.  The less perceived cheating, the less rules will be required.  We already have rules pertaining the exhaust size and numbers of engines, etc.  Basically everything you mentioned, so why even debate the details such as 7 engines a year, or 5? 

Although it is a premier racing class, I would still like to see which bike and rider is the best, not who has the fatest cheque book and most intelligent IT techie.  Again, just my preference.   I would also like to see a full grid of bikes, rather than just 6 or 8.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 26, 2018, 02:06:19 pm
I want to see the fastest riders in the world on the fastest bikes. Unforunatly some of the rules are there to slow the bikes as they would become unrideable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on July 26, 2018, 02:14:37 pm
At last! Throw all the electronics out and build a 500cc 2T and let's see who would be quickest. I bet between the aliens, the new guard and the Zimmer frame riders the latter would come up trumps  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 26, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Well, I suppose it all depends on how we, as a person, look at the world of rules, regulations and laws and how we then interpret those rules, regulations and laws..  I see the fact that since there is a prescribed ECU that automatically means you cannot add another ECU or ECU capable device to override the prescribed ECU.  Others won't and that is why we have and need rule enforcers, rule writers and rule re-writers, courts of law, appeals courts, etc. 

The interesting bit about us humans, is we will change our perception as well.  If you are the one with the ECU capable doohickey kicking the crap out of me on track, you will say: "where in the rules does it say the doohickey is not allowed to have ECU capabilities?"  If I am the one kicking your arse on track because I have made that little mod you are bound to scream: "you are a cheat!!!"   >:D


You bringing the human factor and your emotions into this. It is very simple, only the rule book matters. Something not addressed by the rule book, is not regulated.

Where does it end? Only one diameter exhaust pipe/header can be used? Only one exhaust manufacturer can be used? Only one frame can be used? Only one engine can be used? Only one IMU can be used? It will be cheaper and more competitive, right?

This is the premier motorcycle formula, not a class that you want to make as cheap as possible for local amateurs

Well, of course I mentioned the human factor and emotions because that is what is in play when we (you and I) decide whether a team is cheating, or not and your original question me was, how could I say they are cheating.  All I did was respond to your question exactly how I felt and why.  It is also because of how I see it that I differ from your viewpoint that whatever is not mentioned is not regulated.  That does not mean you are wrong, or I am right.  I just means I see it differently.

Where does it end?  Where indeed.  The more perceived cheating, the more rules will be made.  The less perceived cheating, the less rules will be required.  We already have rules pertaining the exhaust size and numbers of engines, etc.  Basically everything you mentioned, so why even debate the details such as 7 engines a year, or 5? 

Although it is a premier racing class, I would still like to see which bike and rider is the best, not who has the fatest cheque book and most intelligent IT techie.  Again, just my preference.   I would also like to see a full grid of bikes, rather than just 6 or 8.

You are 100% correct. We definitely see it differently. For me, the only deciding factor is the rule back, nothing else can determine if you are cheating or not, but to you, your feelings towards the development is cheating and therefor you can brand them as cheaters. I am surprised that you, as a MSA Scrutineer, will see it differently, but hence, that is why we differ
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 02:42:06 pm
You are 100% correct. We definitely see it differently. For me, the only deciding factor is the rule back, nothing else can determine if you are cheating or not, but to you, your feelings towards the development is cheating and therefor you can brand them as cheaters. I am surprised that you, as a MSA Scrutineer, will see it differently, but hence, that is why we differ

It seems you may have misread some of what I said.  I did not say that development is cheating.  I do not see moving ECU capabilities that already existed a year or two ago, from inside the ECU into another little black box somewhere under the tank as development. 

I am not an MSA Scrutineer anymore, but even when I was it was never easy to ensure the rules be applied, since many riders consistently pushed the envelope, therefore a need for a scrutineer.  I would also be the first to admit that it is often very difficult to differentiate between development pushing the envelope and a cheater pushing the envelope.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 26, 2018, 08:13:52 pm
A lot of over-protestation from the innocent Honda camp.

All MM need to do is roll like that soccer player. All the way to KFC.

And while he's away rolling, Yamaha should try slip in a victory or two. >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 27, 2018, 08:46:34 am
A lot of over-protestation from the innocent Honda camp.

All MM need to do is roll like that soccer player. All the way to KFC.

And while he's away rolling, Yamaha should try slip in a victory or two. >:D

With Yamaha's current traction issues, "slip in" as victory is the word!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 27, 2018, 01:47:20 pm
Thats racing and every manufacturer is doing the same to find and advantage. They invest millions in R and D.

This is exactly the problem in this case, the manufacturers are not supposed to be investing millions in R+D of a "blanket-use' ECU, yet here Honda and Ducati is doing just that.

Weird how Honda fanboys will create all sorts of argument to justify dishonesty, face it, Honda is tinkering with a standardised electronic control system, against the rules.

And to use the excuse that this sort of dishonesty has always been present in competition, even though true, is still sick.

Ouch man, so I have been a cheat for most of my racing career! :)

Example, the rule says you cannot modify the standard intake. So you make an adapter plate and fit whatever ontop of it :)
Exactly the same way Honda, Ducati, Suzuki is doing it. Yamaha "cannot get it to work"

They are still within the rules. That is until the rules get changed to accommodate the weaklings :)

@TheBear, i have been on the receiving side from scrutineers a number of times. I have been on the receiving side from protests a number of times. Not once found guilty. They key is, know your rules. Even better if you can use it to your own advantage

Of course.  It is the way of the world and especially the way of motor racing.  It is debatable whether this is right or wrong and that is what the discussion is about for me.  It is just an interesting discussion.  I have personally, frequently said that, Honda and Ducati were brilliant in poaching top notch software engineers from Magneti Marelli. If they are cheating with the IMU, it must surely be possible thanks to these software engineers.

As an ex-scrutineer and you a "cheater" may I ask a question?  Why not just practice to ride faster instead?   >:D


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]



Yes, but it doesn't mean they can ad capabilities, not normally in the sensor, to take over ECU functionality.

How can you call it cheating of there is no rule preventing it?

Where does it state that you cannot add capabilities to the IMU?

Came across this today.  This should resolve the issue.

Quote from: Corrado Cecchinelli of Dorna

"The use of the Official MotoGP ECU software for engine and chassis control is mandatory for all machines, and no other engine and chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at race events."

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on July 27, 2018, 02:17:49 pm
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 27, 2018, 02:22:34 pm
They are not doing anything illegal there is no rule saying they are not allowed to and they are all doing it. I dont know why people cannot understand that. The FIM are fully aware of it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 27, 2018, 02:26:15 pm
They are not doing anything illegal there is no rule saying they are not allowed to and they are all doing it. I dont know why people cannot understand that. The FIM are fully aware of it.

They are doing it illegally and therefore cheating.  See rule quoted two posts back.  The FIM is not fully aware of it, they suspect it is happening and cannot effectively police this, therefore the new rules from 2019 onward.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 27, 2018, 03:38:49 pm
The IMU is not part of the ECU and is for Lean angle and the FIM are aware it is happening atherwise they would not be bringing in a new rule. Wether it is being done with the IMU or not. They may have found a way to program the software on ECU differently. They are all alowed to program the ECU to there needs. But the fact is something is modified and I dont for one minute believe any MOTOGP Team will break the rules, find away around them yes. This is Racing it has always been like this and always will be.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on July 27, 2018, 03:54:35 pm
You know, if they wanted to slow down the winners, they could just give them a clutch cable .............. would save a fortune.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 27, 2018, 04:15:56 pm
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.

Guilty of? There is no regulation on the IMU.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 27, 2018, 04:26:32 pm
Quote
The use of the Official MotoGP ECU software for engine and chassis control is mandatory for all machines, and no other engine and chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at race events

Please define a engine and chassis control software strategy
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 27, 2018, 07:10:17 pm
The IMU is not part of the ECU and is for Lean angle and the FIM are aware it is happening atherwise they would not be bringing in a new rule. Wether it is being done with the IMU or not. They may have found a way to program the software on ECU differently. They are all alowed to program the ECU to there needs. But the fact is something is modified and I dont for one minute believe any MOTOGP Team will break the rules, find away around them yes. This is Racing it has always been like this and always will be.

There is a difference between "fully aware" as you stated previously and "aware" as you say now.

Anyway, it has now become a game of semantics.  "Break the rules", "find a way around them".  Just playing with words and that is rather boring.  Let's agree to disagree and save ourselves and other readers from the boredom.

Quote
The use of the Official MotoGP ECU software for engine and chassis control is mandatory for all machines, and no other engine and chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at race events

Please define a engine and chassis control software strategy

No.  Sorry.  No can do.  I am not the Technical Director of Dorna, nor am I on the Rules Committee of Dorna.  I am also not a technical expert, so I have to go with believing that the technical experts who sets and test the rules will know and they have made their decision. . 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 27, 2018, 08:41:29 pm
All sensors and electronic devices on these race-bikes fall under the umbrella term of "electronic control unit"

All inertia measuring units and assisting reference sensors fall under the machines ECU.

Honda and Ducati is breaking the rules, for sure.

Yamaha is LILY-white, with red speedblocks. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 28, 2018, 07:57:49 am
And also not winning which racing is about. :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 29, 2018, 04:46:55 pm
And also not winning which racing is about. :pot: :pot:

V'sek, djy. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 30, 2018, 10:15:40 am
And also not winning which racing is about. :pot: :pot:

Oooooh!  Eina!   :laughing4: :laughing4:

Mods!  I believe Bwana should be banned from MotoGP discussions for 300 years and a day!  Get to it!   :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 30, 2018, 10:48:07 am
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.

Dorna would be predictably unwilling to interrogate anything that benefits a Spanish rider/sponsor.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 30, 2018, 12:23:43 pm
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]

If they make there own IMU they can make it how they like to do what they want.  Why shoukd Dorna waste there time when there is nothing in the rules prohibiting it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 30, 2018, 01:32:59 pm
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]

If they make there own IMU they can make it how they like to do what they want.  Why shoukd Dorna waste there time when there is nothing in the rules prohibiting it.

Sheez Bwana, the rule does prohibit it.    I even pasted an extract of that rule many posts ago!  Surely Dorna's Technical Directors knows better than you and I and as such, we can accept his word?

The problem is that Dorna cannot control it for various reasons, therefore the ban from next year. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 30, 2018, 01:53:42 pm
Rules are not how you see them they are black and white. It clearly states the IMU is a free sensor.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Snafu on July 30, 2018, 02:09:48 pm
Surely Dorna should have the technology to interrogate the IMU's to see if they are being used to interfere. If a team is guilty, fine them and put a stop to it.


The IMU is a so-called 'free sensor', meaning that factories are free to choose which IMU they wish to use[/i]

If they make there own IMU they can make it how they like to do what they want.  Why shoukd Dorna waste there time when there is nothing in the rules prohibiting it.

Sheez Bwana, the rule does prohibit it.    I even pasted an extract of that rule many posts ago!  Surely Dorna's Technical Directors knows better than you and I and as such, we can accept his word?

The problem is that Dorna cannot control it for various reasons, therefore the ban from next year. 

You referring to this one?
Quote
The use of the Official MotoGP ECU software for engine and chassis control is mandatory for all machines, and no other engine and chassis control software strategies may be used on the machine at race events




Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 30, 2018, 02:12:52 pm
This rule is the grey area it is refering to the ECU and software. The IMU is Hardware.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 30, 2018, 02:15:38 pm
This rule is the grey area it is refering to the ECU and software. The IMU is Hardware.

Are you suggesting there are no software of any kind inside the IMU?  I seriously doubt that, but I also return to my initial statement.  Neither one of us is knowledgeable enough to argue against the Technical Director of Dorna.  I take his word.  You don't and we are back to going in a never ending circle.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 30, 2018, 02:26:18 pm
Let me put it this way if it is pre programed there is nothing they can do about it. These Corperations have Engineers and laweyers far more clever than us. They would not take a chance
on being caught cheating. The VW case is actually a prime example of what happens if you are caught. In F1 recently Ferrari found a grey area in the wing mirrors. The other teams protested and the rule was modified immediatly and clarrified. In this case there has been no protest. I wonder why.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 30, 2018, 03:17:16 pm
Let me put it this way if it is pre programed there is nothing they can do about it. These Corperations have Engineers and laweyers far more clever than us. They would not take a chance
on being caught cheating. The VW case is actually a prime example of what happens if you are caught. In F1 recently Ferrari found a grey area in the wing mirrors. The other teams protested and the rule was modified immediatly and clarrified. In this case there has been no protest. I wonder why.

Do you know for a fact that there was no protest?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 30, 2018, 03:50:15 pm
Well if there was its gone no where because engineers and lawyers have not come up with a valid reason. I dont even know why we are argueing this point. These corperations are far more qualified than us and believe me they would not tolerate another team with an unfair advantage by breaking the rules. Fact.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 30, 2018, 06:08:06 pm
Let me put it this way if it is pre programed there is nothing they can do about it. These Corperations have Engineers and laweyers far more clever than us. They would not take a chance
on being caught cheating. The VW case is actually a prime example of what happens if you are caught. In F1 recently Ferrari found a grey area in the wing mirrors. The other teams protested and the rule was modified immediatly and clarrified. In this case there has been no protest. I wonder why.

"They would not take a chance on being caught cheating" :imaposer:

Then you carry on saying how VW was actually caught out.  Of course they cheat.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on July 31, 2018, 07:56:48 am
I think racing and many other things in life would be better if we behaved more the way our parents brought (aimed to bring /would have liked to bring) us up.  When you got caught drawing with crayons on the wall and your mother said: "stop drawing on the wall with your sister's crayons" you would not use your own crayons the next day and use that type of semantics as your defence as you would inherently have known the meaning of the message.  But in racing, as in many other things, it is now accepted practice to use your own crayons and carry on.  Reading the comments here some obviously think that this is very clever, personally I think it is just not cricket (and that from a Dutchman who has never played cricket in his life).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 31, 2018, 09:36:07 am
Well if there was its gone no where because engineers and lawyers have not come up with a valid reason. I dont even know why we are argueing this point. These corperations are far more qualified than us and believe me they would not tolerate another team with an unfair advantage by breaking the rules. Fact.

There really is only on fact of relevance here and that is that had there not been a suspicion of wrong doing there would not be a ban on OEM IMU's from next year onward. 

The reason why we are arguing is because you will not accept the remotest possibility that the Technical Director of Dorna may be right.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on July 31, 2018, 09:41:00 am
"They would not take a chance on being caught cheating" :imaposer:

Then you carry on saying how VW was actually caught out.  Of course they cheat.


VW got caught deceiving the American public and breaking the emmission rules the cost will take them 20 years to recover. This has never happened before and cars are not closely scrutinised.I am over this discussion it is going round in circles. My suggestion would be to take your findings to the FIM. If people that in such a competitive enviroment with world class engineers would allow one company/competitor to get away with cheating with no protest and I have checked to see if there has been a formal protest which are made public just like F1.
I cannot find one. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 31, 2018, 11:06:51 am
VW got caught deceiving the American public and breaking the emmission rules the cost will take them 20 years to recover. This has never happened before and cars are not closely scrutinised.I am over this discussion it is going round in circles. My suggestion would be to take your findings to the FIM. If people that in such a competitive enviroment with world class engineers would allow one company/competitor to get away with cheating with no protest and I have checked to see if there has been a formal protest which are made public just like F1.
I cannot find one.

Good luck with that.  I said that 15 posts ago and didn't succeed much.   :lol8:

Google is not a resourceful resource in regarding possible protests.  MGP is very different to F1 in that regard.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 31, 2018, 11:21:11 am
Some technical evolution expected at the BRNO race:

Honda:  They slipped in, very successfully, a carbon swing arm earlier this season.  Honda is not advertising upgrades, there is a feeling that they will have put a lot of research and work into the carbon swing arm.

Ducati:  Rumour has it there will be some interesting bits and pieces made from carbon.

Yamaha:  Apparently we can expect to see  a completely redesigned rear fender.  They are also focusing on electronics.

Suzuki:  Fine tuning electronics.

KTM:  Chassis and electronics.

Aprilia:  Possibly a carbon swing arm and some aero-dynamics.h

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on July 31, 2018, 12:28:42 pm
Interesting development.  During the coming MotoGP at BRNO, we will have more than 2 riders in Moto2.  Brad Binder and Stefan Odendaal will be joined by Sheridan Morais as he will make an appearance as a wildcard for the Willi Race Racing Team.   Great stuff!  Go well Sheridan!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2018, 05:48:57 pm
"They would not take a chance on being caught cheating" :imaposer:

Then you carry on saying how VW was actually caught out.  Of course they cheat.


VW got caught deceiving the American public and breaking the emmission rules the cost will take them 20 years to recover. This has never happened before and cars are not closely scrutinised.I am over this discussion it is going round in circles. My suggestion would be to take your findings to the FIM. If people that in such a competitive enviroment with world class engineers would allow one company/competitor to get away with cheating with no protest and I have checked to see if there has been a formal protest which are made public just like F1.
I cannot find one.

Point is that VW would have known what the effect of bullshitting the world's environmental agencies, yet they gambled because the odds are so high. 

Same with sport at this level.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 02, 2018, 09:27:32 am
Those who has been following Dear George will know it lost a bit of appeal lately due to the normal sharp Aussie wit being replaced by profanity.  The latest Dear George is right up there again.

Quote from: BikeMe

Dear George,

Was that really necessary? I know we don’t have all that much time left together but sending everyone this picture of you being nude on holidays is very disturbing.

I don’t much care why you’re pretending to reading Carlos Tusquet’s book, Enriquéceme despacio que tengo prisa.

I know you understand conjoint measurement, circular cumulative causation, and Hubbert peak theory in exactly the same way as you understand why I cannot fit anymore lanished octopus into the Mambodromic telemetries.

You cannot be looking at the pictures. I’m pretty sure Mr Tusquet did not provide any.

You’re on a nude beach surrounded by naked men baking their fetid he-vegetables in the sun, and you’d like everyone to think you’re boning up on macro-economics?

Is it because of what happened at World Ducati Week? It looked bad because it was bad. People are in therapy as a result, you know.

Michele Pirro beat you. He’s a gypsy with two fathers and lives in a hedge outside the Ducati factory gates.

Tito beat you. Just think about that for a second. Tito. Beat. You. By a lot. Tito is the only red-headed Spaniard somehow not put down at birth. Carmelo only lets him race in MotoGP because he thinks it will bring him luck at the gambling tables of Monaco.

Xavi Fores is 68 and he beat you. He can’t ride a Superbike out of third gear and his eyesight is so poor he thinks Johnny Rea is Valentino Rossi.

The one who drinks from his boot? You know, the rude one who smells of beer and tells everyone the Ducati is made from the bones of Jewish cats? He beat you too. His people, who live on a big desert island south of China, have made him their king as a result.

Fucking Melandri beat you, George. We had to send Melandri to psychologists a few years ago. They implanted things in his empty brain which stopped him speaking for months at a time. Then the Germans beat him with chains until he rode faster and complained less.

Michael Rinaldi also beat you. He normally models underwear for Calvin Klein. He was only asked to come to World Ducati Week to attract girls. Otherwise it always looks like a giant sausage fest stinking of toxic masculinity and you know how uncomfortable that makes the lesbians who run the European Union.

Dovi beat you too. By seven seconds. He cried the whole way. Every lap he was sobbing so hard the front of his helmet kept smashing into the top triple tree. Thank the Mother of Holy God the race was only five laps long or he would have concussed himself into a coma.

And then Xavier Simeon beat you as well. I struggled with this. Simeon normally gets off and pushes his bike the last few laps of any race he enters because he is too scared to ride it any more. He has come last the entire season in MotoGP. He’s only racing because I think he has some pictures of Carmelo at a party which involved circus prostitutes and livestock.

Petrucci was behind him and ahead of you. We understand that. He was drunk. Danilo starts drinking the moment he gets back to the pits after the German round and doesn’t stop until Qualifying at Brno. That’s a lot of drinking and it’s hard to make him care about the stupid Ducatisti who have all bought the chocolate-cranked production bikes for 20 times the price it costs to make them. He’s still has a policeman’s morals, apparently.

The only people you beat were Karel, who had forgotten the race was on and started a lap after you but still finished a tiny five-tenths of a second adrift, and Troiba Liss.

Troiba was not even on the track. He was racing remotely from his Fortress of Solitude via video link. The time difference made it look like he came last, but on corrected times, he actually won by 38 seconds.

And you’re sunning your naked shit on a beach full of naked men.

Rossi is teaching young racers how to race at The Ranch.

Iannone is greasy with his girlfriend’s used sex-butter and eating Viagra by the kilo.

Marquez is having more teeth installed.

Crutchlow is yelling at rubbish bins in Hyde Park.

Vinales is drowning kittens in the river behind his family home.

Luthi and Bradl have decided they are a couple for the rest of the season.

The criminal Redding is busily ruining the Keke Challenge. He is so stupid he can’t even Internet Meme.

Dani is busily buying tropical islands full of pygmies who will worship him in his retirement.

Rins has not left his garlic-covered coffin since Sachsenring.

Nakagami has finally managed to fit into his Sailor Moon costume.

Syahrin has been promoted to head waiter and the Asparagus brothers have eased up on the Botox treatments in the heat.

Everyone is doing what everyone normally does on the Summer Break.

And you’re reading an economics book on a nude beach named after a cult of kiddie-touchers.

Lord give me strength…

Gigi.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Rough Rider on August 02, 2018, 12:54:55 pm
Those who has been following Dear George will know it lost a bit of appeal lately due to the normal sharp Aussie wit being replaced by profanity.  The latest Dear George is right up there again.

Quote from: BikeMe

Dear George,

Was that really necessary? I know we don’t have all that much time left together but sending everyone this picture of you being nude on holidays is very disturbing.

I don’t much care why you’re pretending to reading Carlos Tusquet’s book, Enriquéceme despacio que tengo prisa.

I know you understand conjoint measurement, circular cumulative causation, and Hubbert peak theory in exactly the same way as you understand why I cannot fit anymore lanished octopus into the Mambodromic telemetries.

You cannot be looking at the pictures. I’m pretty sure Mr Tusquet did not provide any.

You’re on a nude beach surrounded by naked men baking their fetid he-vegetables in the sun, and you’d like everyone to think you’re boning up on macro-economics?

Is it because of what happened at World Ducati Week? It looked bad because it was bad. People are in therapy as a result, you know.

Michele Pirro beat you. He’s a gypsy with two fathers and lives in a hedge outside the Ducati factory gates.

Tito beat you. Just think about that for a second. Tito. Beat. You. By a lot. Tito is the only red-headed Spaniard somehow not put down at birth. Carmelo only lets him race in MotoGP because he thinks it will bring him luck at the gambling tables of Monaco.

Xavi Fores is 68 and he beat you. He can’t ride a Superbike out of third gear and his eyesight is so poor he thinks Johnny Rea is Valentino Rossi.

The one who drinks from his boot? You know, the rude one who smells of beer and tells everyone the Ducati is made from the bones of Jewish cats? He beat you too. His people, who live on a big desert island south of China, have made him their king as a result.

Fucking Melandri beat you, George. We had to send Melandri to psychologists a few years ago. They implanted things in his empty brain which stopped him speaking for months at a time. Then the Germans beat him with chains until he rode faster and complained less.

Michael Rinaldi also beat you. He normally models underwear for Calvin Klein. He was only asked to come to World Ducati Week to attract girls. Otherwise it always looks like a giant sausage fest stinking of toxic masculinity and you know how uncomfortable that makes the lesbians who run the European Union.

Dovi beat you too. By seven seconds. He cried the whole way. Every lap he was sobbing so hard the front of his helmet kept smashing into the top triple tree. Thank the Mother of Holy God the race was only five laps long or he would have concussed himself into a coma.

And then Xavier Simeon beat you as well. I struggled with this. Simeon normally gets off and pushes his bike the last few laps of any race he enters because he is too scared to ride it any more. He has come last the entire season in MotoGP. He’s only racing because I think he has some pictures of Carmelo at a party which involved circus prostitutes and livestock.

Petrucci was behind him and ahead of you. We understand that. He was drunk. Danilo starts drinking the moment he gets back to the pits after the German round and doesn’t stop until Qualifying at Brno. That’s a lot of drinking and it’s hard to make him care about the stupid Ducatisti who have all bought the chocolate-cranked production bikes for 20 times the price it costs to make them. He’s still has a policeman’s morals, apparently.

The only people you beat were Karel, who had forgotten the race was on and started a lap after you but still finished a tiny five-tenths of a second adrift, and Troiba Liss.

Troiba was not even on the track. He was racing remotely from his Fortress of Solitude via video link. The time difference made it look like he came last, but on corrected times, he actually won by 38 seconds.

And you’re sunning your naked shit on a beach full of naked men.

Rossi is teaching young racers how to race at The Ranch.

Iannone is greasy with his girlfriend’s used sex-butter and eating Viagra by the kilo.

Marquez is having more teeth installed.

Crutchlow is yelling at rubbish bins in Hyde Park.

Vinales is drowning kittens in the river behind his family home.

Luthi and Bradl have decided they are a couple for the rest of the season.

The criminal Redding is busily ruining the Keke Challenge. He is so stupid he can’t even Internet Meme.

Dani is busily buying tropical islands full of pygmies who will worship him in his retirement.

Rins has not left his garlic-covered coffin since Sachsenring.

Nakagami has finally managed to fit into his Sailor Moon costume.

Syahrin has been promoted to head waiter and the Asparagus brothers have eased up on the Botox treatments in the heat.

Everyone is doing what everyone normally does on the Summer Break.

And you’re reading an economics book on a nude beach named after a cult of kiddie-touchers.

Lord give me strength…

Gigi.

/

 :spitcoffee: :spitcoffee: :lol8: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 03, 2018, 10:56:28 am
Kyk maar hoe gee Lorenzo almal pak volgende jaar......... :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 03, 2018, 11:59:11 am
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Losper on August 03, 2018, 01:00:12 pm
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.

Hi The Bear,  where do you get the above info?  Motogp Video pass?
It is a pity that FP1 to 3 is not broadcasted on DSTV
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Serfie on August 03, 2018, 01:06:52 pm
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.


Hell!!!...rthe trend continues  :(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 03, 2018, 01:15:29 pm
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.

Hi The Bear,  where do you get the above info?  Motogp Video pass?
It is a pity that FP1 to 3 is not broadcasted on DSTV

This year I only check the MotoGP website for the results.  I don't have video pass.  Should have, but didn't.  Silly of me.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 03, 2018, 01:17:27 pm
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.


Hell!!!...rthe trend continues  :(

I must say, I am very disappointed with Darryn's performance on the Red Bull KTM this year.  He is a way better rider than what the results show and last race, the wild card kid who rode in his place did very well.  First time on the bike and the track. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 03, 2018, 08:51:35 pm
We are on page 46 of this thread.  I wonder if that is a race prediction for the weekend?

FP2:  Darryn 24th.  Brad 21st.  Steven 22nd.  Sheridan 30th.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: JonW on August 03, 2018, 09:44:02 pm
M3, FP1:  Darryn Binder struggling in 26th 2,33s behind leader.
M2, FP1:  Brad Binder 17th, Steven Odendaal 24th, Sheridan Morias 29th.

Hi The Bear,  where do you get the above info?  Motogp Video pass?
It is a pity that FP1 to 3 is not broadcasted on DSTV

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics/2018/ARG/MotoGP/World+Standing
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 04, 2018, 01:05:44 pm
FP3: 
Darryn 24th  :'(
Brad 19th  :'(
Steven 24th
Sheridan 33rd

Just heard that Sheridan's bike is a Kalex, 2014 model!  While the engine and electronics, supplied by Dorna, is 2018, everything else is 2014 and they are having a heck of a time dialing out some serious chatter.

QP:

Darryn:  19th
Brad:  7th
Steven:  26nd
Sheridan: 29th  (Interesting, Nicky Tuuli Sheridan's WSS600 Yaaha teammate in 2016 is 28th)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Battlestar on August 05, 2018, 03:38:45 pm
What a controlled race by Dovi. Brilliant result
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on August 05, 2018, 06:15:34 pm
First time EVER, I was hoping that little bee, MM, was gonna win ............. 'time's, they are a-changing' ......

I like seeing DOVI win but if MM coulda pulled that one ........................ well .................... fuck ...................  :o :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2018, 06:34:43 pm
First time EVER, I was hoping that little bee, MM, was gonna win ............. 'time's, they are a-changing' ......

I like seeing DOVI win but if MM coulda pulled that one ........................ well .................... fuck ...................  :o :o

Dovi was superb today.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Wolzak on August 05, 2018, 06:45:01 pm
Both Dovi and George did an outstanding job today. To beat MM you have to.
In Moto 2 Oliveira rode like a Demon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 06, 2018, 08:11:06 am
MM is very good, but he can be beaten, apparently by even George. :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 06, 2018, 10:53:05 am
How about that double pass by Jorge, down the inside of Marc and around the outside on Dovi ... I don't think I have ever seen anything like it before

And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 07, 2018, 10:50:09 am
Is Yamaha losing the plot ? They can't fix the electronics

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/07/motogp/rossi-electronics-and-fairing-no-decision-made.html (https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/07/motogp/rossi-electronics-and-fairing-no-decision-made.html)

And this butt ugly fairing :eek7:

https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/07/motogp/the-strange-case-of-the-yamaha-catfish.html (https://www.gpone.com/en/2018/08/07/motogp/the-strange-case-of-the-yamaha-catfish.html)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 02:21:57 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 07, 2018, 02:58:08 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?

Same old Yamaha glitch from the past 18 months.  Lack of decent traction on rear wheel under acceleration. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 03:15:54 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?

Same old Yamaha glitch from the past 18 months. Lack of decent traction on rear wheel under acceleration.
when the back tyre starts to wear out?
cause at the start he certainly had no traction problems.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 07, 2018, 03:33:56 pm
 The 2019 Prototype Honda Tested by MM has nice clean lines apparantly this is the bike that set the fastest lap
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 03:35:07 pm
 has nice clean lines

I still see fins though Bwana. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 07, 2018, 03:35:57 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?

Same old Yamaha glitch from the past 18 months. Lack of decent traction on rear wheel under acceleration.
when the back tyre starts to wear out?
cause at the start he certainly had no traction problems.

Yes, as I have it the Yamaha chows the rear tyre because of excessive wheel spin under acceleration and it gets worse as the race goes one. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 07, 2018, 03:44:55 pm
has nice clean lines

I still see fins though Bwana. :deal:

But it's nice clean fins. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 03:52:47 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?

Same old Yamaha glitch from the past 18 months. Lack of decent traction on rear wheel under acceleration.
when the back tyre starts to wear out?
cause at the start he certainly had no traction problems.

Yes, as I have it the Yamaha chows the rear tyre because of excessive wheel spin under acceleration and it gets worse as the race goes one.
All to do with the right hand that feeds the back wheel not?

Dan mens sal nog steeds klein shopping bags kan hang aan daai fins!! :deal: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 07, 2018, 03:56:08 pm
And the Rossi last lap last corner move on Carl

Why did Rossi drop back the way he did? Front tyre choice not working out for him?

Same old Yamaha glitch from the past 18 months. Lack of decent traction on rear wheel under acceleration.
when the back tyre starts to wear out?
cause at the start he certainly had no traction problems.

Yes, as I have it the Yamaha chows the rear tyre because of excessive wheel spin under acceleration and it gets worse as the race goes one.
All to do with the right hand that feeds the back wheel not?

Dan mens sal nog steeds klein shopping bags kan hang aan daai fins!! :deal: :lol8:

Not the right hand at all Chris.  Not on a 260HP bike that weigh 160kg.  That is when the electronics come into play.

Talking about fins.  How about the new Vaalrivier Baber look for the Yamaha!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 03:59:22 pm
Weird looking front discs, no grooves for cooling?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 07, 2018, 04:05:10 pm
Those Yamaha fins look like they belong in the marine world.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 07, 2018, 04:08:08 pm
Those Yamaha fins look like they belong in the marine world.
quite right, whale comes to mind :deal: ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 07, 2018, 04:34:33 pm
Weird looking front discs, no grooves for cooling?

Those carbon discs are very hard to get up to temperature, so you don't need to worry about cooling, you want them nice and hot, that's when they work well. You will often see the riders doing little stoppies as they come to the starting grid to try and get some temperature on those brakes.

And then when it rains or the condition are really cool, then they switch to steel discs which heat up much quicker.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 07, 2018, 05:02:32 pm
Outboard Motor Fins. They just turned them upsidedown.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 07, 2018, 06:24:59 pm
MotoGP puts out this video to determine what happened in this pile up.  Luckily, after listening to all 3 riders, I conclude that it was the other guy's fault.  What say you?

http://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2018/08/07/what-happened-at-t3-with-vinales-smith-and-bradl/267404
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 07, 2018, 08:07:46 pm
Outboard Motor Fins. They just turned them upsidedown.

Straight off the best outboards in the world then. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 08, 2018, 08:15:21 am
Straight off the best outboards in the world then. :thumleft: :thumleft

 good answer.:laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2018, 08:20:14 am
Straight off the best outboards in the world then. :thumleft: :thumleft

 good answer.:laughing4: :laughing4:

 :thumleft: I wonder whether the downforce by these massive fins is not taking weight off the rear wheel, and making it break traction? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2018, 08:35:57 am
Weird looking front discs, no grooves for cooling?

Like Sithe said, Carbon fiber discs.  They work better at heat, so no cooling required.  In fact, cooling to be avoided.  Until last year they couldn't use then in a wet race as they wouldn't warm up enough to be effective.  They now have covers for them which they use in a wet race, or very cold days. 


(https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/amp/2epK3Gl0/s6/motogp-japanese-gp-2017-marc-marquez-repsol-honda-team-5885377.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on August 08, 2018, 08:47:28 am
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2018, 09:40:13 am
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

That is a very interesting question and I would like to know what the answer is as I don't know.  My guess is that as the electronics develop, it opens more possibilities for engine development.  I do think the era of serious design changes may be over.  Think of the twin crank engines, or square 4's and even Honda's "V8" from a past era.

That said, one of the reasons they instituted the Unified ECU was because the electronics reached a point of madness in terms of price and it wasn't a bike development anymore either.  The top teams bought their electronics from F1 developers. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 08, 2018, 10:33:35 am
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

Actually the whole electronics development is very interesting. There was an article some time ago, don't know if I can still find it.

So basically, they are able to load something like 11 different engine maps. During the race as conditions change, e.g. tar temperature, tyre wear, fuel load, etc  ...  the rider is able to switch to a different engine map that controls power delivery better for the changed conditions.

Also the mapping is dynamic, i.e. they might set it so that in turn one there is no wheel spin at all, but in turn three the mapping allows the tyre to spin up to square off the corner or something like that ... so the power deliver is not the same everywhere around the track.

I believe there is still a ton of development to come in as far as electronics is concerned, if one thinks of machine learning and so on. You will find that the computer will learn from lap to lap and make adjustments to the mapping on the fly.

One of the limitations currently is that no communication from pit lane to the bike is allowed during the race, telemetry is banned, they had in formula 1 but I think it's banned there now also. But once you can teach the computer how to learn and make own adjustments, it's a whole new world
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2018, 10:41:45 am
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

Actually the whole electronics development is very interesting. There was an article some time ago, don't know if I can still find it.

So basically, they are able to load something like 11 different engine maps. During the race as conditions change, e.g. tar temperature, tyre wear, fuel load, etc  ...  the rider is able to switch to a different engine map that controls power delivery better for the changed conditions.

Also the mapping is dynamic, i.e. they might set it so that in turn one there is no wheel spin at all, but in turn three the mapping allows the tyre to spin up to square off the corner or something like that ... so the power deliver is not the same everywhere around the track.

I believe there is still a ton of development to come in as far as electronics is concerned, if one thinks of machine learning and so on. You will find that the computer will learn from lap to lap and make adjustments to the mapping on the fly.

One of the limitations currently is that no communication from pit lane to the bike is allowed during the race, telemetry is banned, they had in formula 1 but I think it's banned there now also. But once you can teach the computer how to learn and make own adjustments, it's a whole new world

I also vaguely remember F1 had ongoing comms between the car and the pits, but like you I remember that banned.  A few years ago the Yamaha WSBK bikes (Troy Corser days) used a GPS enable front suspension.  The suspension could then be set up for each meter of the track separately, so it basically anticipated what was coming and what the correct setting would be.  That was also banned pretty quickly.

An interesting rule in MGP, who is currently testing pit to bike comms, via an SMS like function is that it is allowed, as long as all teams, Race Direction and even the TV spectators can see each message.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on August 08, 2018, 11:00:25 am
The GPS thing is interesting. I've never heard of before but it makes sense, making a map that is track specific and that is specific to different points on that track.

All of a sudden, 20-odd laps isn't enough anymore. You may have a chance of winning if you select the right map at the right time. A 'poor' choice may just drop you back a position or two with not enough time to overcome your mistake.

Maybe this is why they also, sometimes, seem to lose it for no apparent reason. In the heat of the moment, you expect X but get Y, and end up on the floor.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 08, 2018, 11:29:12 am

Maybe this is why they also, sometimes, seem to lose it for no apparent reason. In the heat of the moment, you expect X but get Y, and end up on the floor.

Exactly, as Lorenzo found out ...

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/882326/1/concentration-lapse-ends-lorenzo-s-victory-hopes (https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/882326/1/concentration-lapse-ends-lorenzo-s-victory-hopes)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 08, 2018, 11:36:14 am
I also vaguely remember F1 had ongoing comms between the car and the pits, but like you I remember that banned.  A few years ago the Yamaha WSBK bikes (Troy Corser days) used a GPS enable front suspension.  The suspension could then be set up for each meter of the track separately, so it basically anticipated what was coming and what the correct setting would be.  That was also banned pretty quickly.

An interesting rule in MGP, who is currently testing pit to bike comms, via an SMS like function is that it is allowed, as long as all teams, Race Direction and even the TV spectators can see each message.

I don't know what your feelings are on electronics @TheBear ... I know a lot of people who don't like the new era of what they call "robot racers" ... they prefer old school manual throttle control

I personally quite like it, gone are the days of the "sky launch" that we used to see particularly with two strokes ... riders were one wrong twitch of the wrist away from being launched into low earth orbit ... lot's of careers came to early ending because of that
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2018, 11:42:56 am

I don't know what your feelings are on electronics @TheBear ... I know a lot of people who don't like the new era of what they call "robot racers" ... they prefer old school manual throttle control



To be honest, I am in two minds.  On the one hand, I like the old school, no rider aids idea, but then I also realise the electronics is the way we are going and they do bring another dimension to the sport. 


Maybe this is why they also, sometimes, seem to lose it for no apparent reason. In the heat of the moment, you expect X but get Y, and end up on the floor.

It happens, possibly more than we know.  I remember a few years ago JL99, then still on a Yamaha went down in a spectacular crash in the first corner after he did a practice start in one of the free practice sessions.  What had happened is, he flicked the switch to engage the launch control.  At the time the launch control (not sure if still this way) deactivated the normal traction control as it used those sensors for the launch.    Launch control automatically switches back to normal race mode after the first gear change.  JL pulled away like a scalded cat and took that fist corner immediately after.  As he ripped open the throttle he found that his traction control didn't work and he went down.  He had not yet made a gear shift so, expected X, got Y and saw his posterior.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 08, 2018, 02:21:25 pm
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

Actually the whole electronics development is very interesting. There was an article some time ago, don't know if I can still find it.

So basically, they are able to load something like 11 different engine maps. During the race as conditions change, e.g. tar temperature, tyre wear, fuel load, etc  ...  the rider is able to switch to a different engine map that controls power delivery better for the changed conditions.

Also the mapping is dynamic, i.e. they might set it so that in turn one there is no wheel spin at all, but in turn three the mapping allows the tyre to spin up to square off the corner or something like that ... so the power deliver is not the same everywhere around the track.

I believe there is still a ton of development to come in as far as electronics is concerned, if one thinks of machine learning and so on. You will find that the computer will learn from lap to lap and make adjustments to the mapping on the fly.

One of the limitations currently is that no communication from pit lane to the bike is allowed during the race, telemetry is banned, they had in formula 1 but I think it's banned there now also. But once you can teach the computer how to learn and make own adjustments, it's a whole new world

I am not sure that this is a benefit as a dynamic system.  As a rider you want to know what to expect when you open the throttle and not get a different setting for every lap.  I can see the benefit in gathering the feedback and using that as an improved "static" map.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2018, 08:22:59 pm
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

The 4stroke engine is basically maxed out in terms of development.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2018, 10:05:26 pm
Now that they're doing so much developing to calm down these motors, are they still striving for more power as well? Or are the motors at a point where it's all electronics now, no point in mechanical development?

The 4stroke engine is basically maxed out in terms of development.

With my limited knowledge, I think you are correct and with the rules in place, we won't see weird developments like V5's or square 4's and so on and even if we did, I doubt it would improve the current inline 4 design.  .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 09, 2018, 08:07:13 am
Only yamaha and suzuki use the in line 4cylinder. Most use the V4 however the Degree angles of each seem to be a closely guarded secret by some manufacturers.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 09, 2018, 08:10:43 am
Only yamaha and suzuki use the in line 4cylinder. Most use the V4 however the Degree angles of each seem to be a closely guarded secret by some manufacturers.

You are correct.  I should have said inline 4 and V4 engines.  The point doesn't change though.  With the rules in place and the current level of development, we won't see weird developments like V5's or square 4's and so on as we saw in years past..

A few years ago MotoCzysz developed a very interesting engine of 990cc with the idea to participate in MGP.  When Dorna changed to 800cc, for the 2007 season it killed the project.  Their engine would be mounted longitudinally instead of across the frame, making the gyro effect go away.  Their engine was pretty much an inline 4 cut in half, one half turned around and added back in with "half" crankshafts rotating counter each other.  This engine didn't create any gyroscopic effects and because it was mounted the way it was, had better weight distribution and other advantages as well.  Thing is, most of its advantages negated because it is now sorted by electronics.

I saw a doccie about this sometime ago and that bike sounded amazing.  Pity it never made it to the track.

EDIT:

The doccie is "Birth of a Racer" and is available on YouTube.

Short video during testing.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 09, 2018, 10:39:23 am
If you look Closely the silver wheel in the middle is weighted rotates in the opposite direction to the engine and negates the Gyroscopic effect all moto gp bikes  have some kind of weight doing this.They also run the engines counter-clockwise to counter gyroscopic effect of the wheels. They say this can cost them up to 10% power loss so in effect it tells you how powerful these engines really are. So basically these problems have been solved easily.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 09, 2018, 11:08:27 am
If you look Closely the silver wheel in the middle is weighted rotates in the opposite direction to the engine and negates the Gyroscopic effect all moto gp bikes  have some kind of weight doing this.They also run the engines counter-clockwise to counter gyroscopic effect of the wheels. They say this can cost them up to 10% power loss so in effect it tells you how powerful these engines really are. So basically these problems have been solved easily.

That the silver wheel in the middle looks a lot like the clutch. Anyway, just like I said earlier, these issues were solved in the modern MGP bike in various ways and that makes further development more and more difficult and possibly created a situation where we will never again see strange and wonderful engines like the V-5, 4-square, etc.   In other words, these engines have reached such a high level of development that it is not worth the time, money and effort required to try something completely new and / or different.

Wouldn't it be awesome if the secrets of MGP bikes were available for us to see?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on August 10, 2018, 05:57:10 am
Indeed a dry clutch, Ducati has used them for decades in racing and on road going sport bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 10, 2018, 08:19:28 am
Yes you are right but run in opposite direction to engine with balance weights. It is a fine balance act as there must be some gyroscopic affect as this is what keeps a bike upright but here i suspect they mostly balance the gyro from the wheels against the engine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 10, 2018, 10:25:55 am
Yes you are right but run in opposite direction to engine with balance weights. It is a fine balance act as there must be some gyroscopic affect as this is what keeps a bike upright but here i suspect they mostly balance the gyro from the wheels against the engine.

But, if I understand you correctly, you are now about the gyroscopic effect keeping the bike upright.  That is true for any bike on the road, except those with an engine like the BMW boxer.

What I was talking about in the post about the MotoCzysz was preventing the engine's gyro effect from lifting the bike's front wheel from the ground under heavy acceleration. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 10, 2018, 10:55:51 am
That is one of the 11 functions controlled by the ECU. All bikes are kept upright by the gyroscopic effect of the wheels even peddle ones however there is also a gyroscopic effect from the engine the BMW one is a good example as it can be felt when you rev the engine while stationary due to the crank running parralel to the bike. However it aslo affects the handling a Bmw will lean faster to the right side than the left. An engine can also be used to assist the bike to keep upright when the bike is stationary IE.Trail bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 10, 2018, 11:14:47 am
Maybe BMW comes back to MotoGp with their boxer engine and rewrite the rules

And how about Triumph ... they had that triple which the Kenny Roberts team tried out but there was no real money behind it, so we never really saw its full potential
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 10, 2018, 11:54:12 am
That is one of the 11 functions controlled by the ECU. All bikes are kept upright by the gyroscopic effect of the wheels even peddle ones however there is also a gyroscopic effect from the engine the BMW one is a good example as it can be felt when you rev the engine while stationary due to the crank running parralel to the bike. However it aslo affects the handling a Bmw will lean faster to the right side than the left. An engine can also be used to assist the bike to keep upright when the bike is stationary IE.Trail bikes.

Ja.  Agreed.  All very interesting and correct and all of it ads up to the reason why we will not see weird and wonderful engines in racing like we did on the past.

Maybe BMW comes back to MotoGp with their boxer engine and rewrite the rules

And how about Triumph ... they had that triple which the Kenny Roberts team tried out but there was no real money behind it, so we never really saw its full potential

There is a problem with that.  According to current Dorna rules, they only allow 22 (could be 24) bikes on the grid for a MGP race.  The teams are contracted for a period of time and the grid is basically full.  This means, no space for BMW and their cunning Boxer, or Triumph with a triple.  This is why Petronas couldn't just buy two bikes and enter.  They had to first find a team who would work with them.  That team would then run the satellite Yamahas under the Petronas colours.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 10, 2018, 12:07:04 pm
Maybe BMW comes back to MotoGp with their boxer engine and rewrite the rules

Bmw have already tried in the 50s and again in th60s The Boxer engine due to its in line Crank is not suitable. Also the Cylinder heads to exposed so the engine needs to be raised lifting the COG.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 10, 2018, 07:05:47 pm
Austrian GP:

FP1:  Darryn 20th.  Brad 17th.   Steven 25th.
FP2:  Darryn 17th.  Brad 22nd.  Steven 1st. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 10, 2018, 07:23:10 pm
Maybe BMW comes back to MotoGp with their boxer engine and rewrite the rules

Bmw have already tried in the 50s and again in th60s The Boxer engine due to its in line Crank is not suitable. Also the Cylinder heads to exposed so the engine needs to be raised lifting the COG.

I  doubt that the boxer engine would have had any impact on the lean angle of a bike in the 50's and even 60's.  The tyres were the big issue not allowing a lean angle which could come close to making the side pods a problem.  Boxer engine BMW's did win the IoMTT and even a Grand Prix on occasion.  My guess as to why BMW did not grow in MotoGP is the same reason MV Augusta, Norton, etc. all eventually disappeared.  The Japanese appeared with their two strokes and that was that.

As for entering a Boxer today, I agree, not suitable.  First they would have to make it a 4 cylinder to comply with the rules., but I do believe Sithe was making a joke when he suggested it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 11, 2018, 08:04:27 am
Yes I agree but an interesting fact is the 2 cylinder Boxer engine dominated side car racing for many years using the same factory racing engine developed for the then premier class
world Championship.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 11, 2018, 08:43:39 am
Yes I agree but an interesting fact is the 2 cylinder Boxer engine dominated side car racing for many years using the same factory racing engine developed for the then premier class
world Championship.

They did and that surprised me a bit.  Also, the 500 Boxer with the super charger used in that era must have been an interesting setup.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: punisher on August 11, 2018, 10:15:48 am
my boxer leans easier to the left , than the right ..........  my timing must be out
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 11, 2018, 11:27:00 am
Yes you are right but run in opposite direction to engine with balance weights. It is a fine balance act as there must be some gyroscopic affect as this is what keeps a bike upright but here i suspect they mostly balance the gyro from the wheels against the engine.

Most bikes that I know of, with the exception of the G450X, has the clutch contra-rotating to the crank. The G450X has the clutch fitted on the end of the crankshaft. ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 11, 2018, 11:55:14 am
Yes you are right but run in opposite direction to engine with balance weights. It is a fine balance act as there must be some gyroscopic affect as this is what keeps a bike upright but here i suspect they mostly balance the gyro from the wheels against the engine.

Most bikes that I know of, with the exception of the G450X, has the clutch contra-rotating to the crank. The G450X has the clutch fitted on the end of the crankshaft. ::)

 :thumleft:  Thought it would be, but wasn't sure.



FP3:  Darryn 3rd.  Brad 15th.  Steven 13th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 11, 2018, 12:05:59 pm
Most bikes that I know of, with the exception of the G450X, has the clutch contra-rotating to the crank. The G450X has the clutch fitted on the end of the crankshaft. ::)

yes I agree fpr the purpose stated. They can also be weighted and balanced to counter the gyroscopic effect of the engine. One of the methids used. The less gyro effect of the engine alows for the bike to flick over quicker.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 11, 2018, 12:19:40 pm
Most bikes that I know of, with the exception of the G450X, has the clutch contra-rotating to the crank. The G450X has the clutch fitted on the end of the crankshaft. ::)

yes I agree fpr the purpose stated. They can also be weighted and balanced to counter the gyroscopic effect of the engine. One of the methids used. The less gyro effect of the engine alows for the bike to flick over quicker.

Are you sure about this?  Slapping weight on the clutch doesn't sound right to me.  My feeling is (I stress this is a feeling as I don't know for sure) that adding extra weight to the clutch will not even overcome the gyro effect created by the flywheel.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 11, 2018, 12:40:57 pm
Countering the gyro effect of the engine is a very important part of Moto GP. Hence that invention that they tried with Half the engine running in the opposite direction to the other half. Any thing you run in the opposite direction will help counter the Gyro effect. One of the things is the clutch. Now I do not know to what all the methods the manufacturers are using. But here are a few things they can do. Cams in opposite direction (if they are using them) some manufacturers are using pneumatic valves with solonoid.. Gearbox Clutch. Or the can use balancing shafts. Obviously these are closely guarded secrets.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on August 11, 2018, 03:02:30 pm
Why did KTM not put a 2nd bike in? I know asparagus is injured, but this is Austria FFS
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 11, 2018, 04:49:05 pm
Countering the gyro effect of the engine is a very important part of Moto GP. Hence that invention that they tried with Half the engine running in the opposite direction to the other half. Any thing you run in the opposite direction will help counter the Gyro effect. One of the things is the clutch. Now I do not know to what all the methods the manufacturers are using. But here are a few things they can do. Cams in opposite direction (if they are using them) some manufacturers are using pneumatic valves with solonoid.. Gearbox Clutch. Or the can use balancing shafts. Obviously these are closely guarded secrets.

The problem is more of turning mass on a certain plane, which is why it would always be more difficult to change direction quicker on a in-line 4, than on a V-4, the latter's narrower crank offers less resistance to direction chance.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Kamanya on August 11, 2018, 04:59:48 pm
WTF happened to Rossi?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on August 11, 2018, 05:04:36 pm
WTF happened to Rossi?
Spinning up the rear I think

I forgot to save my superbru pick, minus 2 :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2018, 09:01:35 am
WTF happened to Rossi?

And Vinales at 11th on the grid.  Yamaha actually made a public apology to VR, MV, the press and the fans for not being able to sort the problem.  It is shocking to see a top brand struggling like this.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/903230/1/updated-yamaha-apologises-rossi-vinales-after-crisis

I could not even imagine a factory Yamaha with ANY rider starting between Bradley Smith on a KTM and Aleix Espargaro on an Aprilia! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 12, 2018, 05:08:14 pm
What a fabulous ride by Lorenzo.  He had me cheering for him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2018, 05:13:23 pm
What a fabulous ride by Lorenzo.  He had me cheering for him.

Indeed!  JL was at his very best today. 

I have often said that he is not the greatest of "dog fighters", but after today, I owe him an apology.

Dear George,

I apologise for being an arsehole.

Regards
The Bear


I must say, those bloody Yamahas have me spitting mad.  When a factory Yamaha has to fight with a Ducati, not factory, not even satellite, but a customer GP16, they have clearly lost the plot and the worst is, it seems they don't even know where they lost it so they can go find it!   >:( >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 12, 2018, 05:26:24 pm
George beat MM today.

I would have teased the Honda fans about this, if my bikes weren't almost leading the Moto2 race.

Another point about the Yamahas, why could Rossi ride the ever-spinning 500GP bikes, but not a ever-spinning MotoGP one? :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2018, 05:32:05 pm
Another point about the Yamahas, why could Rossi ride the ever-spinning 500GP bikes, but not a ever-spinning MotoGP one? :eek7:

I wish it was this simple Danie.  Then it would be an easily solvable problem.   When Rossi rode the ever-spinning 500GP bike, did all other 500GP bikes not also spin?  They did and therefore a level playing field.  After today, I think there is something seriously wrong in the Yamaha MGP camp.  If the best Yamaha on the day is 6th and said Yamaha struggled to get past an Aprilia and was even out-dragged by that Aprilia, there is a problem.  If Tito Rabat on a customer Ducati from 2016 presents a factory Yamaha with a challenge .......................  Nee, o donner!   :'( :P >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 12, 2018, 06:18:16 pm
Another point about the Yamahas, why could Rossi ride the ever-spinning 500GP bikes, but not a ever-spinning MotoGP one? :eek7:

I wish it was this simple Danie.  Then it would be an easily solvable problem.   When Rossi rode the ever-spinning 500GP bike, did all other 500GP bikes not also spin?  They did and therefore a level playing field.  After today, I think there is something seriously wrong in the Yamaha MGP camp.  If the best Yamaha on the day is 6th and said Yamaha struggled to get past an Aprilia and was even out-dragged by that Aprilia, there is a problem.  If Tito Rabat on a customer Ducati from 2016 presents a factory Yamaha with a challenge .......................  Nee, o donner!   :'( :P >:(

I agree, it is a bad situation.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on August 12, 2018, 06:24:03 pm
It's because they're not cheating like the rest LOL
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 12, 2018, 09:45:41 pm
What a race it turned out to be!!!! :o :thumleft:
What happened to Dovi? He faded towards the end.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 13, 2018, 08:25:10 am
Man its good to have lorenzo back I really missed him last year. Chances are Honda will have both the 1 and 2 riders next year maybe. I hope lorenzo takes to the Honda qucikly I think he will. I think Dovi is going to have to retract some of things hes said about Lorenzo. His class was always going to eventually come through.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2018, 09:17:25 am
Man its good to have lorenzo back I really missed him last year. Chances are Honda will have both the 1 and 2 riders next year maybe. I hope lorenzo takes to the Honda qucikly I think he will. I think Dovi is going to have to retract some of things hes said about Lorenzo. His class was always going to eventually come through.
Honda bosses must be very please with themselves looking ahead to 2019.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 13, 2018, 10:33:47 am
Man its good to have lorenzo back I really missed him last year. Chances are Honda will have both the 1 and 2 riders next year maybe. I hope lorenzo takes to the Honda qucikly I think he will. I think Dovi is going to have to retract some of things hes said about Lorenzo. His class was always going to eventually come through.
Honda bosses must be very please with themselves looking ahead to 2019.

It could turn out great, or one heck of a nightmare!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on August 13, 2018, 10:38:26 am
Brilliant race for podium 3 - So, George is not a blue sky racer only, but a bit of a brawler too.I loved 93 being out muscled for a change.
Yamaha, what a disgrace  >:( A still being developed Aprilia with a so - so racer making the King"s name arse - what a farce  :(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 13, 2018, 10:41:59 am
The one thing I really like about MM is he seldom makes excuses. He tells it like it is. He was beaten fair and square.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sheepman on August 13, 2018, 10:47:43 am
The one thing I really like about MM is he seldom makes excuses. He tells it like it is. He was beaten fair and square.

Yip, no stories or excuses.Few others can match that after losing a battle. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2018, 11:06:45 am
Man its good to have lorenzo back I really missed him last year. Chances are Honda will have both the 1 and 2 riders next year maybe. I hope lorenzo takes to the Honda qucikly I think he will. I think Dovi is going to have to retract some of things hes said about Lorenzo. His class was always going to eventually come through.
Honda bosses must be very please with themselves looking ahead to 2019.

It could turn out great, or one heck of a nightmare!
Maybe but on the flip side Ducati must be kicking themselves. Then again who knows what tank he is going to get.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: tulips on August 13, 2018, 11:16:30 am
Nice Race .  Could MM have been too cautious on his final pass, thinking championship and next year !
What is the seamless gear change/gearbox technology the commentators were going on about ? TIA
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on August 13, 2018, 01:42:45 pm
https://www.sportrider.com/how-seamless-transmissions-work tulips this is a basic on it. I am sure it has advanced but the principle is there
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 13, 2018, 01:43:25 pm
Nice Race .  Could MM have been too cautious on his final pass, thinking championship and next year !
What is the seamless gear change/gearbox technology the commentators were going on about ? TIA

The seamless gearbox was first in a Honda, but all the bikes should have that by now.  Been around for a few years, so I am not sure why the commentators are excited about it.  What it does do is allow for gearshifts at speed, without using the clutch or closing the throttle.  Now, before you say: "but that is a quick shifter", a quick shifter closes the throttle and the seamless gearbox was developed as a direct result of quick shifters not being allowed.  As I understand it this is a huge mechanical breakthrough in gearbox development.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 13, 2018, 02:08:09 pm
Just to add to that it is like an F1 car changes in Milliseconds and is exceptionally smooth (seamless so you can change in the corners ).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 13, 2018, 06:44:07 pm
The one thing I really like about MM is he seldom makes excuses. He tells it like it is. He was beaten fair and square.

The way he was beaten leaves no room for excuses. :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 14, 2018, 08:07:31 am
tell me when you have ever heard him make an excuse.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 14, 2018, 08:19:30 am
tell me when you have ever heard him make an excuse.

Do you really want to open up the "he kicked me off my bike" debate again?

One of the many entertaining things about MM is that you know he will make an attempt at the end to pass.  But the others know this and are planning for this so can have some great comebacks.  Makes for good racing and tension all the way to the end.  So much nicer than those Doohan years where he would clear off after a few laps and that was the excitement for the win gone.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bwana on August 14, 2018, 09:05:19 am
I personally believe he will do whatever it takes to win if he is in with a chance. However I find him graciuos in defeat and that is what I am trying to emphasize. I find him very refreshing to MotoGP. Wether he wins from going away at the front or fighting to the end. He always seems gracious and extremly happy when he wins.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 14, 2018, 03:36:12 pm
Riders for the S.I.C. Petronas Yamaha team confirmed.

Franco Morbidelli and Fabio Quartararo.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2018, 03:39:45 pm
I personally believe he will do whatever it takes to win if he is in with a chance. However I find him graciuos in defeat and that is what I am trying to emphasize. I find him very refreshing to MotoGP. Wether he wins from going away at the front or fighting to the end. He always seems gracious and extremly happy when he wins.

Exactly the same for Rossi, and when Rossi was MM's age, his wins was celebrated on an even larger scale, which explains why MotoGP is still Rossi's throne.

I do agree that MM does not look for excuses when not winning, but that is mostly because he is usually winning. :patch: :imaposer:

Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on August 14, 2018, 03:43:19 pm
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: KiLRoy on August 14, 2018, 04:17:12 pm
 :imaposer:9 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2018, 06:30:39 pm
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:

That is what I meant yes, a nine year streak of not winning, and Rossi is still Mr MotoGP, and all-round nice guy. Not even this sort of misfortune can make a Lorenzo out of Rossi. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 14, 2018, 06:47:23 pm
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:

That is what I meant yes, a nine year streak of not winning, and Rossi is still Mr MotoGP, and all-round nice guy. Not even this sort of misfortune can make a Lorenzo out of Rossi. :ricky:

Indeed!  It is what makes him the GOAT.

Imagine, there are riders who never managed a top 9 position in 9 years.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2018, 08:28:05 pm
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:

This is not "the bus for us". :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on August 15, 2018, 08:35:21 am
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:

This is not "the bus for us". :ricky:

You should see my Golden Arrow

:la: :evil6:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: kfc4unme on August 15, 2018, 09:33:17 am
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Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 15, 2018, 03:39:37 pm
Nothing like a streak of misfortune to get the real character out of the box. :3some:

Like a 9 year streak?

:laughing7:

This is not "the bus for us". :ricky:

You should see my Golden Arrow

:la: :evil6:

Probably stuck between Rossi's shoulderblades. :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 21, 2018, 09:36:32 am
(*&%OPI*+P()*^)A%^&_ TYRES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Four days before the next MGP and Michelin is already making excuses for their tyres. "Silverstone was resurfaced and we did not get to test our tyres, so we don't know what will happen!"  Their solution is to take 4 compounds. 

I long for the days where each team could have their own tyre contract!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 21, 2018, 01:12:22 pm
If you think MotoGP is all glamour and fun look at these numbers.  These guys definitely put in a lot of work at the test at Misano on Sunday.  Unfortunately Yamaha didn't announce a breakthrough discovery following this test.

Quote:
Hard work day at Misano: @lorenzo99 (72 laps); @AndreaDovizioso (90 laps); @PirroRider (74 laps).

Movistar Yamaha MotoGP were also on track with both Valentino Rossi and Maverick Viñales trying to solve the issues that have faced them in 2018. The Italian covered 86 laps, with the Spaniard circulating 95 times.
Unquote
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/08/20/productive-private-test-in-misano-complete/268728?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=GBR_MisanoTestReview_en&utm_campaign=Traffic
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2018, 01:21:48 pm
Hopefully Yamaha's breakthrough discovery can be revealed in the actual race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 21, 2018, 02:32:25 pm
Ive spent a long time in the Lorenzo hate camp.. cant say ive been his fan... ever

but jeez im getting excited for the MM & Lorenzo Honda team match up. As a staunch Reposl Honda supporter its got me anticipating next year already
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on August 21, 2018, 03:32:47 pm
My prediction is that MM will take him out a couple times until he starts riding like a Pedrosa ..............
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2018, 08:51:59 pm
My prediction is that MM will take him out a couple times until he starts riding like a Pedrosa ..............

If the last race is anything to go by, MM may become the new team Repsol's Pedrosa.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2018, 12:28:53 pm
Hopefully Yamaha's breakthrough discovery can be revealed in the actual race.

I believe their "newly appointed super-duper-rocket-scientist" software engineer has arrived with the team during testing at Misano last week.  Let us hope he is as good as they are whispering he is.

As a staunch Reposl Honda supporter

Ag no!  Sis man!  Take this to R&P!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Az on August 22, 2018, 12:38:05 pm
I believe their "newly appointed super-duper-rocket-scientist" software engineer has arrived with the team during testing at Misano last week.  Let us hope he is as good as they are whispering he is.
The guy from WSBK?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2018, 12:57:50 pm
I believe their "newly appointed super-duper-rocket-scientist" software engineer has arrived with the team during testing at Misano last week.  Let us hope he is as good as they are whispering he is.
The guy from WSBK?

Michelle Gadda, yes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 23, 2018, 01:39:57 pm
Hopefully Yamaha's breakthrough discovery can be revealed in the actual race.

I hope it's not something stupid that's holding them back like the Ducati fuel tank story  .... it's probably something stupid like that :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 26, 2018, 09:31:40 am
Hopefully Yamaha's breakthrough discovery can be revealed in the actual race.

I hope it's not something stupid that's holding them back like the Ducati fuel tank story  .... it's probably something stupid like that :pot:

Rossi's own team seems to be responsible for delaying him while changing a tyre, causing him to be 12th on the grid instead of around 5th. :patch: Now, joining the electronic guys, the tyre guys are also working against themselves. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 26, 2018, 03:40:13 pm
But then the raingods decided to help Rossi so all well on that front.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 26, 2018, 06:33:54 pm
But then the raingods decided to help Rossi so all well on that front.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: sidetrack on August 27, 2018, 07:28:46 am
Will this race be run again or just cancelled as a whole, no points for anyone ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on August 27, 2018, 07:56:46 am
Will this race be run again or just cancelled as a whole, no points for anyone ?

That
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2018, 09:30:17 am
But then the raingods decided to help Rossi so all well on that front.

Actually it was the Construction god of Crap Construction that helped Rossi, but who am I to complain?

The story of the freshly resurfaced circuit that do not drain and have super slippery spots due to F1 cars Titanium belly plates "polishing" the peaks off the top of bumps will be an interesting one to follow.

Apparently, some areas is so slippery that the bikes in 3rd gear and 15% throttle did serious wheel spinning.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Suzukli DL on August 29, 2018, 10:21:45 am
That's right The Bear.

How the engineers screwed that up in a country that has rain 90% of the year I just do not understand. Unforgivable and I am sure there are going to be major ramifications for the Silverstone circuit for future races nevermind fines from Dorna and the likes.
Really, did they think they were going to host a jetski comp.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Warren Ellwood on August 29, 2018, 11:17:24 am
These guys must be made of special stuff.

Fractured femor, fibia and tibia on Saturday and Tito Rabbat has taken his first steps already.

 :o

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2018, 11:28:29 am
These guys must be made of special stuff.

Fractured femor, fibia and tibia on Saturday and Tito Rabbat has taken his first steps already.

 :o

Janee.  They are a breed of their own.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on August 29, 2018, 12:07:04 pm
With the best doctors, but yea they're tough
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Sithe on August 29, 2018, 12:26:28 pm
Seems like there is only one solution, resurface but they just did that less than a year back  :dontknow:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2018, 12:42:54 pm
Seems like there is only one solution, resurface but they just did that less than a year back  :dontknow:

Janee.  They are stuck with an ugly problem which may well run into a rather expensive court case.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on August 29, 2018, 04:10:43 pm
These guys must be made of special stuff.

Fractured femor, fibia and tibia on Saturday and Tito Rabbat has taken his first steps already.

 :o

Pins and lots of time in a oxygen tank. Accelerates healing

I think it was in 2007 Ricky Carmichael broke his color bone 2 weeks later he raced and won the event. Pined and long hours in a tank.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on August 29, 2018, 05:25:12 pm
Seems like there is only one solution, resurface but they just did that less than a year back  :dontknow:

What surprised me even before the rain was how ridiculously bumpy that track is.  When you look at some of the slow motion shots it is like they were riding on some kind of special suspension test track.  Some bumps are to be expected but this seemed somewhat over the top to me.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Cracker on August 29, 2018, 05:32:58 pm
Looking at the quality of some of our Lesotho roads - they shoulda got the Chinese to re-surface.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on August 30, 2018, 08:47:49 am
Looking at the quality of some of our Lesotho roads - they shoulda got the Chinese to re-surface.

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on September 06, 2018, 12:16:02 pm
But while Yamaha are building close ties with the new Malaysian squad, Jarvis also confirmed that this doesn’t preclude Rossi bringing his own Team Sky squad to the premier class when he retires, with Jarvis confirming that they’re prepared to expand to six machines.

Sounds like a good idea.  If they add all the Yamaha points together they remain in the chase to catch Marquez.  Maybe they should get the bikes working properly first.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2018/september/motogp-yamaha-admit-morbidelli-first-in-line-to-replace-rossi/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 06, 2018, 12:18:30 pm
But while Yamaha are building close ties with the new Malaysian squad, Jarvis also confirmed that this doesn’t preclude Rossi bringing his own Team Sky squad to the premier class when he retires, with Jarvis confirming that they’re prepared to expand to six machines.

Sounds like a good idea.  If they add all the Yamaha points together they remain in the chase to catch Marquez.  Maybe they should get the bikes working properly first.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/sport/motogp/2018/september/motogp-yamaha-admit-morbidelli-first-in-line-to-replace-rossi/

It is possible, but the grid is currently full, so one team would have to withdraw, or sell to Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 07, 2018, 11:13:51 am
Valentino, jou poephol!

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/904791/1/rossi-declines-marquez-handshake-updated

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Bus on September 07, 2018, 12:51:24 pm
Force of habit
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 07, 2018, 12:56:58 pm
Misano FP1:

Darryn 26th.  This kid is struggling.  He should do way better on that bike.  I wonder what the problem is.
Sheridan 30th
Steven 28th
Brad 9th

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on September 07, 2018, 01:03:41 pm
Valentino, jou poephol!

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/904791/1/rossi-declines-marquez-handshake-updated

Yes, it is quite sad at his age to still act like this.  Why act like this when you could also act like a grown up?  Let's hope that there will be good racing this weekend so we can focus on what it is all really about.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Brink on September 07, 2018, 01:29:07 pm
Rossi is a chop - did himself no favours except in the eyes of his  FAnaticalS :deal:

I am watching the GOODWOOD REVIVAL and what a jol to see the golden era of machines and racers :

https://www.facebook.com/MotorcycleNews/videos/539831179787355/?notif_id=1536314767217819&notif_t=live_video&fb_dtsg_ag=AdzrSnrv3ZKgem1ZQcRGQ2ESvzN_RkDTVhoAjO8VMMaXcQ%3AAdw29cxE1RHWeAkDtSaXBE_IZh0M6sY88nK-kbJUbzsgGA
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: adamktm on September 07, 2018, 02:14:42 pm
Rossi really needs to grow up. Little MM is more of a man than he will ever be. Hope MM wins his 9th championship whilst the old goat is still around and then smashes every last record Rossi has to hold onto through his career.

What a chop!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 07, 2018, 02:21:34 pm
Rossi really needs to grow up. Little MM is more of a man than he will ever be. Hope MM wins his 9th championship whilst the old goat is still around and then smashes every last record Rossi has to hold onto through his career.

What a chop!

Perhaps, as some whisper on the interwebs, this is all just a media ploy.  Remember MM did suddenly say a week or so ago VR is his favourite racer of all time and then a few days ago, how he would want to make peace with VR.  The biggest boost for any sport is to have heros and villains and the more passionate the duped followers become over their heros and/or villians, the better for the sport. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 07, 2018, 02:41:55 pm
Blind Marques followers club at it again. ::)

You see, clearly MM's conscience is hounding him, as he needs this forgiveness from Rossi.

They are racers, and what's with Markie Mark's "let's be best buddies" thing?

Shame, how much more would Markie have suffered under Max Biaggi !!!   :eek7: :eek7:

Go educate yourself on characters from the "golden age" of motorcycling, and get a rude awakening.

Google how Phil Read crooked Bill Ivy into losing the 1968 world title.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 07, 2018, 03:00:17 pm
Blind Marques followers club at it again. ::)

You see, clearly MM's conscience is hounding him, as he needs this forgiveness from Rossi.

They are racers, and what's with Markie Mark's "let's be best buddies" thing?

Shame, how much more would Markie have suffered under Max Biaggi !!!   :eek7: :eek7:

Go educate yourself on characters from the "golden age" of motorcycling, and get a rude awakening.

Google how Phil Read crooked Bill Ivy into losing the 1968 world title.

Only one thing worse tna two riders kicking each other at 300km/h.  KISSING each other!!!   :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: I&horse on September 07, 2018, 03:20:22 pm
The way I read it is he is saying there are no hard feelings why should they shake hands.

Anyway, a good rivalry on and off track is good for spectators
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 08, 2018, 03:14:03 pm
The way I read it is he is saying there are no hard feelings why should they shake hands.

Anyway, a good rivalry on and off track is good for spectators

True, but it would not have killed him to shake MM's hand, but like I said ... heros and villains are needed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: Amsterdam on September 08, 2018, 06:13:22 pm
And talking about MM, crashing like that in qualifying and up and running to the pits to get your 2nd bike before you have even stopped rolling, awesome stuff.  And the other awesome thing was Lorenzo's pole lap.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: adamktm on September 08, 2018, 08:57:50 pm
The way I read it is he is saying there are no hard feelings why should they shake hands.

Anyway, a good rivalry on and off track is good for spectators

True, but it would not have killed him to shake MM's hand, but like I said ... heros and villains are needed.

True
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 08, 2018, 09:11:41 pm
And talking about MM, crashing like that in qualifying and up and running to the pits to get your 2nd bike before you have even stopped rolling, awesome stuff.  And the other awesome thing was Lorenzo's pole lap.

He is a racer born.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 08, 2018, 09:17:48 pm
Rossi really needs to grow up. Little MM is more of a man than he will ever be. Hope MM wins his 9th championship whilst the old goat is still around and then smashes every last record Rossi has to hold onto through his career.

What a chop!

All this for not shaking MM's hand?? ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: adamktm on September 09, 2018, 06:56:45 am
Rossi really needs to grow up. Little MM is more of a man than he will ever be. Hope MM wins his 9th championship whilst the old goat is still around and then smashes every last record Rossi has to hold onto through his career.

What a chop!

All this for not shaking MM's hand?? ::)

No, I’ve always disliked the plonker  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2018.
Post by: TheBear on September 09, 2018, 10:01:34 am