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Title: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on December 12, 2017, 02:01:30 pm
http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/888181/1/energica-supply-motoe-machines
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Sheepman on December 12, 2017, 02:17:14 pm
I am proudly old school......noisy mechanical engines, huge induction, massive revs, more massive slides,sneaky competing.....and a hell of a lot of red mist in between  :thumleft:
The sound of silence in racing - not for me !
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on February 07, 2018, 08:16:13 pm
MotoE bikes were shown to the media yesterday.  Also some more info.  There will be 18 on the grid, all made by the same manufacturer initially.  There will be 5 10 lap races, all in Europe coinciding with the normal MotoGP program. 

The noise?  Some who watched the first few bikes test, were very excited.  Due to the lack of engine noise, for the first time they realised these bikes make their tyres screech!  Apparently all sorts of new noises.  Brakes.  Chains.   I am not convinced yet, but it is the way the world is going and maybe in a few years 2SD can argue that Hitachi just makes better bikes than Bosch en klaar! 

(https://image.iol.co.za/image/1/process/620x349?source=https://inm-baobab-prod-eu-west-1.s3.amazonaws.com/public/inm/media/2018/02/07/iol/65/IOLmotFebMotoE.jpg&operation=CROP&offset=0x101&resize=1200x673)

Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: sidetrack on February 07, 2018, 08:51:20 pm
From good old Castrol R to this, not convinced but time stands still for no one  :-\
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Sheepman on February 07, 2018, 08:55:58 pm
Eina  :(
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Sithe on February 22, 2018, 02:58:30 pm
I saw a YouTube video of Loris Capirossi riding one these bikes on the track ... I'd rather watch paint dry
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 22, 2018, 05:20:46 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on February 23, 2018, 09:13:45 am
I saw a YouTube video of Loris Capirossi riding one these bikes on the track ... I'd rather watch paint dry

Agreed.  Until a awesome battle between two or three riders develop.   :ricky:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Buff on February 23, 2018, 09:31:42 am
We all thought MotoGP would die when they took away the 500cc 2T's... the same will happen here.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on February 23, 2018, 12:52:53 pm
We all thought MotoGP would die when they took away the 500cc 2T's... the same will happen here.

Yep!

Also this does not replace any other class, but ads a race to the day.   
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: sidetrack on February 23, 2018, 01:13:40 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
What are poppet valves ?
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Cracker on February 23, 2018, 02:35:37 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
What are poppet valves ?

What!! ....... Your grandad never told you?
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 23, 2018, 06:44:34 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
What are poppet valves ?


It is the in-and exhaust valves found in the cylinderhead of all 4stroke engines.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: sidetrack on February 23, 2018, 08:44:14 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
What are poppet valves ?

What!! ....... Your grandad never told you?
No but I did read about a motor where you mix oil and fuel on a piece of papyrus  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 23, 2018, 09:42:08 pm
A nice break after the horrible sound of clattering poppet valves.

This has the potential of making MX racing so much cheaper?
What are poppet valves ?

What!! ....... Your grandad never told you?
No but I did read about a motor where you mix oil and fuel on a piece of papyrus  :biggrin:

This must be the Reed valve 2strokes. :imaposer:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: MartinBravo on April 17, 2018, 09:17:03 am
The noise?  Some who watched the first few bikes test, were very excited.  Due to the lack of engine noise, for the first time they realised these bikes make their tyres screech!  Apparently all sorts of new noises.  Brakes.  Chains.

That is going to really mess with the riders, Surely they listen to where the competition are while riding.

Or it might just make Marquez more dangerous
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2018, 11:20:06 am
The noise?  Some who watched the first few bikes test, were very excited.  Due to the lack of engine noise, for the first time they realised these bikes make their tyres screech!  Apparently all sorts of new noises.  Brakes.  Chains.

That is going to really mess with the riders, Surely they listen to where the competition are while riding.

Or it might just make Marquez more dangerous

Especially since there is no engine braking!   :lol8:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: MartinBravo on April 17, 2018, 12:14:25 pm
there isnt?
I always thought that when you get off the power it will start slowing you down?
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2018, 01:01:38 pm
there isnt?
I always thought that when you get off the power it will start slowing you down?

Of course when you get off the power you will start slowing down.  How fast depends on the compression made by the engine.  Electrical motor, no compression, no engine braking.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Cracker on April 17, 2018, 04:17:14 pm
Unless it's used to recharge the battery ........... then you could even adjust engine breaking.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 17, 2018, 09:38:59 pm
there isnt?
I always thought that when you get off the power it will start slowing you down?

Of course when you get off the power you will start slowing down.  How fast depends on the compression made by the engine.  Electrical motor, no compression, no engine braking.

The moment you close that "throttle", the electric motor turns into a generator/alternator, and will provide some "compression" braking.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2018, 11:39:14 am
there isnt?
I always thought that when you get off the power it will start slowing you down?

Of course when you get off the power you will start slowing down.  How fast depends on the compression made by the engine.  Electrical motor, no compression, no engine braking.

The moment you close that "throttle", the electric motor turns into a generator/alternator, and will provide some "compression" braking.

I stand corrected.  I can only report what I was told by AJ Venter who raced an electric bike on the Isle of Man.  Let me rephrase.  The electric motor will not provide the same level of engine braking, expected from a internal combustion engine with a compression ratio of 10 times or more. 

Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Cracker on April 18, 2018, 01:32:08 pm
post #19

It could even be adjustable for every corner on every track as well as for IOM, with no corners.

You could even reverse the polarity incrementally for different breaking strengths, including an engine lock.

But, you are correct, it will not be the same .................. it will be better.

Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2018, 01:36:33 pm
post #19

It could even be adjustable for every corner on every track as well as for IOM, with no corners.

You could even reverse the polarity incrementally for different breaking strengths, including an engine lock.

But, you are correct, it will not be the same .................. it will be better.

All possible in the future.  Not on these bikes at this stage.
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 18, 2018, 09:18:24 pm
post #19

It could even be adjustable for every corner on every track as well as for IOM, with no corners.

You could even reverse the polarity incrementally for different breaking strengths, including an engine lock.

But, you are correct, it will not be the same .................. it will be better.

An engine lock is old news, I have had a few RD engines lock up on me. :eek7: :pot:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: BlueBull2007 on April 19, 2018, 07:07:43 am
I  love the smell of petrol and oil in the morning
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Cracker on April 19, 2018, 09:00:51 am
post #19

It could even be adjustable for every corner on every track as well as for IOM, with no corners.

You could even reverse the polarity incrementally for different breaking strengths, including an engine lock.

But, you are correct, it will not be the same .................. it will be better.

An engine lock is old news, I have had a few RD engines lock up on me. :eek7: :pot:

You're slipping ......... but luckily you posted that in the racing section, where we understand such things ........................
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Sheepman on April 19, 2018, 09:11:15 am
I  love the smell of petrol and oil in the morning

Fix of an early weekend morning  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Moto-E coming in 2019.
Post by: Ganjora on April 19, 2018, 09:12:09 am
Unless it's used to recharge the battery ........... then you could even adjust engine breaking.

exactly
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