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Title: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: HappyEnding on January 18, 2018, 12:33:35 pm
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2018/january/ktm-690-enduro-supermoto/ (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2018/january/ktm-690-enduro-supermoto/)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 18, 2018, 01:29:09 pm
Nice!
Not sure i like the one molded plastic piece but the rest sounds great.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on January 18, 2018, 01:42:34 pm
Exciting stuff but 2019 seems so far away
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Buff on January 18, 2018, 02:19:57 pm
Gees, they could have done something more with the looks, I prefer the 701.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: armpump on January 18, 2018, 02:26:20 pm
Can't see pics

Did they hide that dog ugly exhaust down left side ?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: iamgigglz on January 18, 2018, 03:14:56 pm
Can't see pics

Did they hide that dog ugly exhaust down left side ?

Try again. MCN site was down for a bit ansd the pics took a while to recover.

Geyser exhaust is still there although slightly hidden. Looks pretty much like the old bike really  :patch:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 18, 2018, 04:08:19 pm
Gees, they could have done something more with the looks, I prefer the 701.

I would like the KTM front to middle with the Husky's rear end.
The huskey's rear looks better but the front to me looks cheap.
Otherwise it's pretty much different paint really.

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: sidetrack on January 18, 2018, 09:22:07 pm
And still no single competition from the land of the rising sun, extremely dissapointing
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rossdog on January 19, 2018, 08:36:38 am
That bike looks small, unless the rider is a hell of a big bloke. Maybe a 390 Enduro/SM version?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 08:57:55 am
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2018/january/ktm-690-enduro-supermoto/ (https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2018/january/ktm-690-enduro-supermoto/)
Nice heading

Things that go thump and delight

 ;D
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 08:59:23 am
That bike looks small, unless the rider is a hell of a big bloke. Maybe a 390 Enduro/SM version?
The SM last pic gives a better idea, yeah I think guys is just big plus we have gotten used to massive 1000cc plus bikes
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 09:00:53 am
(https://mcn-images.bauersecure.com/PageFiles/642814/1000x750/KTM-690-Enduro-1.jpg)

Nice jacket :)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: armpump on January 19, 2018, 09:04:38 am
(https://mcn-images.bauersecure.com/PageFiles/642814/1000x750/KTM-690-SMC-1.jpg)

Why they don't do this with the pipe ......... in the looks department

(http://kit690.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/690ADV-.jpg)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: sidetrack on January 19, 2018, 09:05:43 am
Gees, they could have done something more with the looks, I prefer the 701.
I guess at this stage it will be pre production ? So is this an orange 701 or a brand new 690 model ?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 19, 2018, 09:21:42 am
Gees, they could have done something more with the looks, I prefer the 701.
I guess at this stage it will be pre production ? So is this an orange 701 or a brand new 690 model ?

The 701 is a white 690, then the 690 got a slightly modified engine for smoothness and emissions but they put it in the Duke first, then the 701's got that engine and they added different shocks and minus some rev counters and lights then, now the 690 is putting their Duke engine, the one they gave to the 701's in the 690 Enduro with the shocks from the Husky.

It's 95% the same bikes.

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Buff on January 19, 2018, 10:35:39 am
Yep, they'll now be very similar, I'm just not sure why it's taking them till 2019 to launch it? I'm glad to hear about the suspension upgrade, that certainly sets the new 701 apart from the current 690. The 701's motor is also better but it's not like the 690 is a slouch so that doesn't phase me too much. I in any case can't ride it to its potential unless it's in a straight line  :-[
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: plonker on January 20, 2018, 06:05:14 pm
Why the 690 when soon they launch the new 800 twin.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: aka.Goliath on January 20, 2018, 06:25:07 pm
Would be great if they launched it with an adventure model. Front rally style tanks and small fairing and better seat.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 20, 2018, 06:34:41 pm
Why the 690 when soon they launch the new 800 twin.

Most probably because single will always going to be better than twin for more technical offroad. Twins are primarily travel bikes.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 20, 2018, 06:43:22 pm
Why the 690 when soon they launch the new 800 twin.

Because they are completely different bikes.
The 690 weighs 148kg. The 790 will be 200kgs or so.
The 690 will outperform the 790 in tougher trails, it will be cheaper as well.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on October 01, 2018, 11:25:08 am
New info...  :drif:

(https://i.imgur.com/miTZ1W0.jpg)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: geopat on October 02, 2018, 07:01:08 am
That first article mentions 300mm of travel but these specs say 250mm
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on October 02, 2018, 07:07:53 am
Best suspension on the market - WP Xplor  :imaposer:  Unfortunately not.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: wiledog_X on October 02, 2018, 08:35:12 am
Chris Birch shared this newspaper article today on his FB page....

"while a new 690 Enduro - complete with the twin-balanced engine from the Husky 701 - looks set for a January launch".  mmmm....   :eek7:

(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/42910099_1873456439397280_7073386776563286016_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&oh=1e011a97abf292489c03200af0efcf25&oe=5C1D4F04)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Fransw on October 02, 2018, 10:14:28 am
This is the 'Unicorn' @BiG DoM ! :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on October 02, 2018, 10:35:22 am
 ;)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 02, 2018, 03:32:15 pm
Have to agree with the comments on the exhaust. What is it with these designers who have turned something that is cylindrical into something out of a B-rated sci-fi movie? :puke:

Anyway, at least they are still making the 690 :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: intothewild on October 02, 2018, 09:46:40 pm
KTM will not give up on the 690.They sell bucket loads of 690's

It's a totally different bike for a different marked than the 790 that's more of a 'lighter' long distance adventure bike same as the 990 and africa twin

i also agree that the 701's styling is much more appealing 
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 01:19:37 pm
https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2019-ktm-690-enduro-r-first-look

For those who were/are suspension concerned maybe this sheds some light. Nice little upgrade I reckon.
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Suspension changes mark the major step forward for the chassis though, with a new WP XPLOR 48 USD fork and WP XPLOR shock. These units were originally developed for KTMs EXC line.


(https://i.ibb.co/LPJtYMF/690.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/r2b50y6/6904.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/19WpHpD/6903.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/gDFVF8v/6906.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/C78Zqrf/6905.jpg)

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 28, 2019, 01:31:00 pm
Lovely. What they are not saying of course, is that they were busy dumbing down that EXC suspension over the past few years...
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 01:40:06 pm
Possibly.  I don't think the current bike's suspension is even remotely as bad as people on the forums make them out to be. In fact I think it's pretty damn good in most cases, so if this is  better then the 690 will be all the better for it since it's already so good.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 28, 2019, 01:43:52 pm
Possibly.  I don't think the current bike's suspension is even remotely as bad as people on the forums make them out to be. In fact I think it's pretty damn good in most cases, so if this is  better then the 690 will be all the better for it since it's already so good.  :thumleft:

Well, yes, if you consider current 690 suspension good, this one will be better. I for one have swapped the front forks on my 2014 690 as I found the stock unbearable even after Hilton Hayward treatment. The improvement cannot be put into words easily.

Each to their own I guess...
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 01:55:06 pm
Possibly.  I don't think the current bike's suspension is even remotely as bad as people on the forums make them out to be. In fact I think it's pretty damn good in most cases, so if this is  better then the 690 will be all the better for it since it's already so good.  :thumleft:

Well, yes, if you consider current 690 suspension good, this one will be better. I for one have swapped the front forks on my 2014 690 as I found the stock unbearable even after Hilton Hayward treatment. The improvement cannot be put into words easily.

Each to their own I guess...

Yes ,but to be fair  you did ad a lot of weight to the front though iirc.
I am not saying it cannot be better, but I've swapped over to a 2009 690 and a 701 and back I didn't hear any angels sing and the clouds part way over the current one. I mean some would make it out that it's unrideable by the comments they make  :lol8:


The quickshifter comes quite unexpected though. What happens if a quickshifter breaks in the field. I'm assumign you can carry on fine without it by using clutch? Just curious.
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Additionally, riders will have a Quickshifter plus to allow for clutchless up and down shifts as well as Motor Slip Regulation to help smooth out engine braking.

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 02:18:28 pm
SMC version

(https://i.ibb.co/Jrb7tLx/ktm-690-smcr.jpg)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on January 28, 2019, 02:26:14 pm
XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 03:41:06 pm
XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.

Ah, racing is a completely different story though!
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Amsterdam on January 28, 2019, 04:17:51 pm
The quickshifter comes quite unexpected though. What happens if a quickshifter breaks in the field. I'm assumign you can carry on fine without it by using clutch? Just curious.
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Additionally, riders will have a Quickshifter plus to allow for clutchless up and down shifts as well as Motor Slip Regulation to help smooth out engine braking.

Yes you can ride it normally using the clutch.

XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.

When I had the 4CS forks on the 701 reworked by Martin Paetzold I was also offered Ohlins internals as an alternative.  But at around R20k it was a little more than I could justify for adventure riding.  He managed to get the final set up quite nice but I know it won't work for guys who do big jumps etc.  For my riding this is not issue.

But have you seen the latest spy shots for people who can't make up their mind if the 690 is better than the 701?  There are now additional options for the undecided.

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Noneking on January 28, 2019, 07:28:07 pm
The Husky is still the better looking half sister....
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on January 28, 2019, 08:28:10 pm
XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.

Ah, racing is a completely different story though!

No not really completely different - suspension needs to work. Both are enduro bikes. If the forks are deflecting on a race bike they will deflect on your 690/701
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 28, 2019, 11:02:44 pm
XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.

Ah, racing is a completely different story though!

No not really completely different - suspension needs to work. Both are enduro bikes. If the forks are deflecting on a race bike they will deflect on your 690/701

Racing you obviously hit things at way faster speed than you would probably do them while not racing and you would want every single ounce of performance for om the suspension. So I do think its different. Also buying a 690 for racing Enduros may not be the best idea. KTM 450 would probably be better.

In my experience riding the bike in pretty much all environments now, and while not close to Chris Birch and the like s speed - I have yet to go hell the suspension sure is crap  in fact I often go... oh my word I love this thing!
Ive had YZs XC-Ws KXs KLXs WRs and adventure bikes etc and I didnt find the 690s suspension to be anything less than good enough for what I do with it on an average ride. The YZs was the best imho but of course - its a MX Race bike.

Again, the way you guys are going on about it would make everyone reading it think that you get on the thing and you basically fall off before hitting 2nd gear because of the suspension.
I think most is making a way bigger deal out of it than your average rider.

I.e better suspension is better, but great suspension is still good enough.

 


Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Bill the Bong on January 29, 2019, 09:43:44 am
XPlor are the WP latest offerings but really also need some work to make them decent and flow more oil - HH has done his magic on ours on the 250XCW that made a considerable improvement but the main problem is that to save bucks the internals have been thinned and dumbed down on this latest generation pogos. Many who race have either gone back to older open cartridge, or Ohlins inserts or bitten the Cone Valve bullet. True story.

Ah, racing is a completely different story though!

No not really completely different - suspension needs to work. Both are enduro bikes. If the forks are deflecting on a race bike they will deflect on your 690/701

Racing you obviously hit things at way faster speed than you would probably do them while not racing and you would want every single ounce of performance for om the suspension. So I do think its different. Also buying a 690 for racing Enduros may not be the best idea. KTM 450 would probably be better.

In my experience riding the bike in pretty much all environments now, and while not close to Chris Birch and the like s speed - I have yet to go hell the suspension sure is crap  in fact I often go... oh my word I love this thing!
Ive had YZs XC-Ws KXs KLXs WRs and adventure bikes etc and I didnt find the 690s suspension to be anything less than good enough for what I do with it on an average ride. The YZs was the best imho but of course - its a MX Race bike.

Again, the way you guys are going on about it would make everyone reading it think that you get on the thing and you basically fall off before hitting 2nd gear because of the suspension.
I think most is making a way bigger deal out of it than your average rider.

I.e better suspension is better, but great suspension is still good enough.

You will find very few places where you'd go 140 kph+ in an off-road race, maybe a couple of times a race.  On a 690 you'd quite easily hit a wash-away on a dirt road at 160 kph.  Then you really need the suspension.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 29, 2019, 10:32:33 am

Racing you obviously hit things at way faster speed than you would probably do them while not racing and you would want every single ounce of performance for om the suspension. So I do think its different. Also buying a 690 for racing Enduros may not be the best idea. KTM 450 would probably be better.

In my experience riding the bike in pretty much all environments now, and while not close to Chris Birch and the like s speed - I have yet to go hell the suspension sure is crap  in fact I often go... oh my word I love this thing!
Ive had YZs XC-Ws KXs KLXs WRs and adventure bikes etc and I didnt find the 690s suspension to be anything less than good enough for what I do with it on an average ride. The YZs was the best imho but of course - its a MX Race bike.

Again, the way you guys are going on about it would make everyone reading it think that you get on the thing and you basically fall off before hitting 2nd gear because of the suspension.
I think most is making a way bigger deal out of it than your average rider.

I.e better suspension is better, but great suspension is still good enough.


Hmmm, where do I even start here...

First of all on how many of those bikes did you get your suspensions set-up properly? Maybe you did, but I suspect like most people you just did ride the bike as you bought it, at max just changed preload. I used to do the same until I happened upon 300 that was by pure accident set-up about right for me and it was huge eye opener. It is difficult to describe how much more freedom and enjoyment well set-up suspension will provide - I was at least 40% faster on the trails in DeWildt than I was on the 450 I had before (and never touched suspension on the dumb assumption that the manufacturers know best). And the riding while faster was also much more effortless and therefore I lasted much longer. Since then the first mod on my every bike is to get suspension sorted as best as possible, and I don't skimp on that. And it doesn't matter how 'great' suspension is supposedly out of box - if set-up wrong, it isn't going to work well and you might as well have some much cheaper junk there. Even if I would buy Coma's dakar bike with his 100k Eur forks, the first would be to get it set-up right.

So after that long preface - with all due respect, if you haven't ridden bike with good and properly set-up suspension, your opinion is quite frankly very limited. For example I haven't ridden YZ but the fact that you believe it had the best suspension for basically enduro riding seems very suspicious, as one of the things that does separate MX bikes from enduro is completely different suspension set-up (much more plush and forgiving for enduro, much harsher for MX).

And no, I don't agree on your racing angle at all. While of course racers need good suspension to have competitive advantage, I would argue that weekend warriors need great suspension as much if not more for their own safety. As BTB said, you are usually riding way faster on the way to Tankwa padstal than most racers in offroad race - especially on full blooded bike like 690. And you will inevitably came upon surprises at those speeds, like a rock you might have overlooked, or a new washout after storm, where only great suspension may save your butt (racer on the other hand may be due to their experience able to survive even on simpler suspension). So I would argue that if anything - good and well set-up suspension - is one of the most important safety features of motorcycle, especially for people with less experience.

And no, the standard suspension on 690 is not going to kill you if you ride like a granny. But if you are going to push - and lets face it, most people who buy  690 want to push the envelope a bit, good suspension becomes much more critical for your safety and enjoyment.

I don't bitch about KTM modern suspension in vaccum here - as in they provide great suspension but I'm never satisfied and always want more (although , of course I want the best  >:D). I think I'm pretty realistic in my expectations. I'm calling KTM out on a  dirty game they are playing with their suspension as over the years they were silently dumbing down their suspension on almost all bikes I guess to save costs (while increasing price of the bikes) and increase their profit margin. That clearly is not a good deal for customer - i.e. me (and you quite frankly). For example standard suspension on early 690 was way better quality than the crap forks they started to put in since MY2014. Why did the do it?

The same is true for the 950/990, where the suspension has been dumbed down in many steps (although there it was only travel if I'm not mistaken, internals probably remained the same). And the same is true for 500 suspension.

From all that I have heard, 640s had by far the best suspension - they just gave customers the best they could for the price, while now I suspect they lookonly after their profit margin (nothing wrong with that, but if I'm coming short because of that, I will make myself heard). So unless we make our voices heard (yes I know Pierer is not following WD, but quite frankly that and other bike forums are the only outlets we as customers have to voice our opinion), they will continue to play this game and we customers will be worse off.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 29, 2019, 11:01:40 am
I hear what you are saying Xpat and I agree to an extent.
You are missing my point though and this is a pointless debate without know how fast or what terrain either of us ride at any given time.
Of course better suspension is better - no one needs a lecture about this - It's pretty obvious.
I'm just saying you are making it a way bigger deal about the suspension on a 690 than it is.  I mean every.single.thread.  The average guy riding this will love the suspension. If I was going to be doing a Baja or Dakar or whatever and I am in it to win it, of course I'm going to pay attention to the suspension and every aspect of it. Most people don't do that so doesn't care that it's not going to withstand a 5 meter high jump at 180kph.

Here we were discussing a new launch, with better suspension than apparently it has currently. Which is obviously then an upgrade. To me who likes what the KTM 690/701's bring to the table it's obviously good news and I'm using the current suspension as a yardstick, which for my riding (maybe I ride like a granny - I'm not here to be strutting' our udders) is really great and I would not go spend money to change it.

So yes KTM, why dumb it down all the time. I agree. Shit move and yes, we want the better ones for the same price please - otherwise we will bitch about the price!
What I don't agree with is the constant blanket statements that "the suspension is crap".  Compared to most if not all other Dualsports/adventure bikes the 690's suspension is amazing.
If you want to have it better, and feel like spending that sort of money then change it, but imho for 90% of riders it's not necessary.


Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 29, 2019, 11:11:21 am
Fair enough - the suspension on the new 690 should be an improvement on the current cheap one, even though it is dumbed down 500 suspension of few year ago.

On the no need to set-up suspension for normal riding and just riding whatever set-up it came up with, we will have to agree to disagree. You should really try it once...
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 29, 2019, 11:30:57 am
Fair enough - the suspension on the new 690 should be an improvement on the current cheap one, even though it is dumbed down 500 suspension of few year ago.

On the no need to set-up suspension for normal riding and just riding whatever set-up it came up with, we will have to agree to disagree. You should really try it once...

I never said you shouldn't set it up I said you should not have to yank out the old suspension to put in others.
I've had a few properly set up so I know what a difference it can make  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on January 29, 2019, 11:34:06 am
Fair enough - the suspension on the new 690 should be an improvement on the current cheap one, even though it is dumbed down 500 suspension of few year ago.

On the no need to set-up suspension for normal riding and just riding whatever set-up it came up with, we will have to agree to disagree. You should really try it once...

I never said you shouldn't set it up I said you should not have to yank out the old suspension to put in others.
I've had a few properly set up so I know what a difference it can make  :thumleft:

Alright, then I just misunderstood you  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on January 29, 2019, 01:59:22 pm
Reading all of this, I am surprised that I am still alive. Seems the solution is to stop reading.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: jaybiker on January 29, 2019, 02:52:16 pm
Reading this suspension debate, hordes of poor owners of common old XT's  Fugly's, Dakars etc are going to give up in tears and never set a wheel off the tar ever again!  :'(
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 29, 2019, 07:01:36 pm
Reading all of this, I am surprised that I am still alive. Seems the solution is to stop reading.

:imaposer: :laughing7:

Good suspension makes turns guys like you and me into riding gods, just before we mash our feet on the milk run against a steel stake in the ground or break our legs pulling wheelies. ;D
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: WildWood on January 29, 2019, 09:57:46 pm
At Amagesa about 3 three years back my good mate GJ won and put about ten minutes into the entire field (including Riaan van Niekerk on a factory Dakar 450RR) on the Orange River stage, riding a sock 690. No suspension work at all. And that's one tough stage.

Makes you think doesn't it?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 29, 2019, 10:06:26 pm
At Amagesa about 3 three years back my good mate GJ won and put about ten minutes into the entire field (including Riaan van Niekerk on a factory Dakar 450RR) on the Orange River stage, riding a sock 690. No suspension work at all. And that's one tough stage.

Makes you think doesn't it?

He probably rode like a granny. ;)
I rest my case  :deal:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: geopat on January 29, 2019, 10:08:57 pm
At Amagesa about 3 three years back my good mate GJ won and put about ten minutes into the entire field (including Riaan van Niekerk on a factory Dakar 450RR) on the Orange River stage, riding a sock 690. No suspension work at all. And that's one tough stage.

Makes you think doesn't it?
Make all the mods you want but I still.recon it's 90% rider and 10% bike so I put my effort into my riding instead of spending cash on the bike
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 29, 2019, 10:50:28 pm
At Amagesa about 3 three years back my good mate GJ won and put about ten minutes into the entire field (including Riaan van Niekerk on a factory Dakar 450RR) on the Orange River stage, riding a sock 690. No suspension work at all. And that's one tough stage.

Makes you think doesn't it?


Yes, but Gideon is a ringer. The Chuck Norris in the riding world. ;D
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: B.V. on January 30, 2019, 06:35:54 am
Have had a moer of  a lot of 690,s. 1 450 and 1 500.
First 2008/9 690 had super kak suspention. Front kicked back.Think from 2012 that started changing.
Rode camera man on Gedeon,s 701 in Epic last year.
Raced Both Koos van der Heever an Johan Janse van Rensburg on 690,s in 2 amageza,s. Both moer fast.
My point is that it,s not so much the bad suspention on a 690 than the wrong riding style for the bike.
p.s.Jumped the 701 a few times in the epic with camera man on the back @ one point he started cheering. The 4cs work on that bike.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Offroadrider on January 30, 2019, 06:49:09 am
If a bike needs a steering damper then the suspension is not up to par plain and simple, as far as suspension goes the best stock is the KYB SSS that Yamaha put on their YZ range although it's a good thing to spring and valve for tech riding.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on January 30, 2019, 08:15:20 am
If a bike needs a steering damper then the suspension is not up to par plain and simple, as far as suspension goes the best stock is the KYB SSS that Yamaha put on their YZ range although it's a good thing to spring and valve for tech riding.

I agree with your KYB SSS comment, but I completely disagree with the steering damper comment.
A steering damper is basically suspension for side to side movement.
Most racers even with jacked up racing 450s use steering dampers.

Did anyone manage to see what the new 690 will cost?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Offshore on January 30, 2019, 08:19:50 am
I was Quoted R152k
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Mayhem on January 30, 2019, 04:43:40 pm
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Offshore on January 30, 2019, 05:34:45 pm
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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It was for a 2019 Model, coming April, May.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Mayhem on January 30, 2019, 06:04:38 pm
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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It was for a 2019 Model, coming April, May.
No, it was a 2018 standing on the floor.

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Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Offshore on January 30, 2019, 06:31:38 pm
OK let me try again:  I was Quoted R152K for a 2019 KTM 690 of which Stock will arrive in April or May by KTM Cape Town and Jo'burg.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Andr 660 on February 01, 2019, 10:25:56 am
Indien die R se suspension laer gemaak word, vir ons ouens wat naby die grond leef, sal die bike nog dieselfde op gravel en teer hanteer/ry?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rough Rider on February 01, 2019, 12:31:31 pm

Racing you obviously hit things at way faster speed than you would probably do them while not racing and you would want every single ounce of performance for om the suspension. So I do think its different. Also buying a 690 for racing Enduros may not be the best idea. KTM 450 would probably be better.

In my experience riding the bike in pretty much all environments now, and while not close to Chris Birch and the like s speed - I have yet to go hell the suspension sure is crap  in fact I often go... oh my word I love this thing!
Ive had YZs XC-Ws KXs KLXs WRs and adventure bikes etc and I didnt find the 690s suspension to be anything less than good enough for what I do with it on an average ride. The YZs was the best imho but of course - its a MX Race bike.

Again, the way you guys are going on about it would make everyone reading it think that you get on the thing and you basically fall off before hitting 2nd gear because of the suspension.
I think most is making a way bigger deal out of it than your average rider.

I.e better suspension is better, but great suspension is still good enough.


Hmmm, where do I even start here...

First of all on how many of those bikes did you get your suspensions set-up properly? Maybe you did, but I suspect like most people you just did ride the bike as you bought it, at max just changed preload. I used to do the same until I happened upon 300 that was by pure accident set-up about right for me and it was huge eye opener. It is difficult to describe how much more freedom and enjoyment well set-up suspension will provide - I was at least 40% faster on the trails in DeWildt than I was on the 450 I had before (and never touched suspension on the dumb assumption that the manufacturers know best). And the riding while faster was also much more effortless and therefore I lasted much longer. Since then the first mod on my every bike is to get suspension sorted as best as possible, and I don't skimp on that. And it doesn't matter how 'great' suspension is supposedly out of box - if set-up wrong, it isn't going to work well and you might as well have some much cheaper junk there. Even if I would buy Coma's dakar bike with his 100k Eur forks, the first would be to get it set-up right.

So after that long preface - with all due respect, if you haven't ridden bike with good and properly set-up suspension, your opinion is quite frankly very limited. For example I haven't ridden YZ but the fact that you believe it had the best suspension for basically enduro riding seems very suspicious, as one of the things that does separate MX bikes from enduro is completely different suspension set-up (much more plush and forgiving for enduro, much harsher for MX).

And no, I don't agree on your racing angle at all. While of course racers need good suspension to have competitive advantage, I would argue that weekend warriors need great suspension as much if not more for their own safety. As BTB said, you are usually riding way faster on the way to Tankwa padstal than most racers in offroad race - especially on full blooded bike like 690. And you will inevitably came upon surprises at those speeds, like a rock you might have overlooked, or a new washout after storm, where only great suspension may save your butt (racer on the other hand may be due to their experience able to survive even on simpler suspension). So I would argue that if anything - good and well set-up suspension - is one of the most important safety features of motorcycle, especially for people with less experience.

And no, the standard suspension on 690 is not going to kill you if you ride like a granny. But if you are going to push - and lets face it, most people who buy  690 want to push the envelope a bit, good suspension becomes much more critical for your safety and enjoyment.

I don't bitch about KTM modern suspension in vaccum here - as in they provide great suspension but I'm never satisfied and always want more (although , of course I want the best  >:D). I think I'm pretty realistic in my expectations. I'm calling KTM out on a  dirty game they are playing with their suspension as over the years they were silently dumbing down their suspension on almost all bikes I guess to save costs (while increasing price of the bikes) and increase their profit margin. That clearly is not a good deal for customer - i.e. me (and you quite frankly). For example standard suspension on early 690 was way better quality than the crap forks they started to put in since MY2014. Why did the do it?

The same is true for the 950/990, where the suspension has been dumbed down in many steps (although there it was only travel if I'm not mistaken, internals probably remained the same). And the same is true for 500 suspension.

From all that I have heard, 640s had by far the best suspension - they just gave customers the best they could for the price, while now I suspect they lookonly after their profit margin (nothing wrong with that, but if I'm coming short because of that, I will make myself heard). So unless we make our voices heard (yes I know Pierer is not following WD, but quite frankly that and other bike forums are the only outlets we as customers have to voice our opinion), they will continue to play this game and we customers will be worse off.

Years ago I bought a new enduro bike, which was the same model the Western Cape Enduro championship was won on. I was familiar with this model as I had already owned one before. I asked the shop to set the bike up exactly like the championship winning bike, using the same suspension and engine mods and changes. The champion was a similar size and weight to me.

It was a big mistake, I simply could not ride the bike, all the power was in the top end and the suspension was so stiff it felt like it had none at all. I hated that bike with a passion and used to kick it every time I went into the garage. After the second or third broken bone I sold it and went back to a stock standard bike, which I loved.

Moral of the story is that the set-up for a racing winning champion does not work for a weekend warrior and can be plain dangerous. The manufacturers know this and save costs by supplying budget suspension which is good enough for 95% of their clients, especially on a bike not intended as a race bike. The Ready to Race slogan is a misnomer.

Another thing, the KYB SSS suspension on my WR is supposed to be the best in the business. Well I can tell you that it did not work for me no matter what did with clickers and sag. Eventually I took it to MP would customized it for me and now it really is extremely good.

Just my 2c
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on February 01, 2019, 12:45:31 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rough Rider on February 01, 2019, 12:48:30 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.

No you did not say it should be set-up for racing, I was just passing on my experience and was trying to justify the cheaper suspension fitted on some of the new bikes.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on February 01, 2019, 12:51:03 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.

No you did not say it should be set-up for racing, I was just passing on my experience and was trying to justify the cheaper suspension fitted on some of the new bikes.

And then you said that one of the best suspension on the market KYB SSS worked like crap before set-up and after the set-up is extremely good. Kind of the point I was trying the make here  O0 ;)

But again, if people are happy with their stock suspension, then hey - no worries and enjoy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rough Rider on February 01, 2019, 01:05:03 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.

No you did not say it should be set-up for racing, I was just passing on my experience and was trying to justify the cheaper suspension fitted on some of the new bikes.

And then you said that one of the best suspension on the market KYB SSS worked like crap before set-up and after the set-up is extremely good. Kind of the point I was trying the make here  O0 ;)

But again, if people are happy with their stock suspension, then hey - no worries and enjoy  :thumleft:

Not quite so simple, the 2015 WR250 came with an inherent problem with the shock set-up. I can't remember the whole story but it had something to do with the shock shaft being longer than the YZ.
And with an inherent problem no amount of fiddling will get it to work properly, the root cause has to be dealt with. In the case of my bike MP took some length out of the shock by fitting a stopper on the shaft.   
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rough Rider on February 01, 2019, 01:06:35 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.

No you did not say it should be set-up for racing, I was just passing on my experience and was trying to justify the cheaper suspension fitted on some of the new bikes.

And then you said that one of the best suspension on the market KYB SSS worked like crap before set-up and after the set-up is extremely good. Kind of the point I was trying the make here  O0 ;)

But again, if people are happy with their stock suspension, then hey - no worries and enjoy  :thumleft:

Not quite so simple, the 2015 WR250 came with an inherent problem with the shock set-up. I can't remember the whole story but it had something to do with the shock shaft being longer than the YZ.
And with an inherent problem no amount of fiddling will get it to work properly, the root cause has to be dealt with. In the case of my bike MP took some length out of the shock by fitting a stopper on the shaft.

The strange thing is that it affected the forks and not the shock.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Bill the Bong on February 01, 2019, 08:14:25 pm
Did I say one should have suspension set-up for racing? I don't think so.

Look, I have been the guy using whatever suspension the bike came with and just rode it. And being ignorant I put the typical plaster on any handling issues I might have had (that I suspect other people also use) - i.e. steering dampener, instead of getting the root cause - suspension set-up sorted.

Most people don't even set-up their static, let alone rider sag right (as that would very quickly show them they may need different springs). If it works for them - great.  But in my experience suspension set-up are money best spent on new bike, instead of loud pipes (that often rob the power), power commanders, steering dampeners people often waste their money on (I know, I have been there and done it).

It is clearly unpopular opinion here, but hey - that is my experience.

No you did not say it should be set-up for racing, I was just passing on my experience and was trying to justify the cheaper suspension fitted on some of the new bikes.

And then you said that one of the best suspension on the market KYB SSS worked like crap before set-up and after the set-up is extremely good. Kind of the point I was trying the make here  O0 ;)

But again, if people are happy with their stock suspension, then hey - no worries and enjoy  :thumleft:

Not quite so simple, the 2015 WR250 came with an inherent problem with the shock set-up. I can't remember the whole story but it had something to do with the shock shaft being longer than the YZ.
And with an inherent problem no amount of fiddling will get it to work properly, the root cause has to be dealt with. In the case of my bike MP took some length out of the shock by fitting a stopper on the shaft.

The strange thing is that it affected the forks and not the shock.

Well it would, as it was putting too much weight on the fork.  Other than shortening the shock stroke, you could have ran a longer wishbone, stiffer fork springs (to a certain point, possibly not enough) or dropped the forks through the triples.  Sometimes the roots cause is not the only option. 
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 02, 2019, 10:07:23 am
Went to go have a look at it this morning. I want it bad but Id have to addd ar least 80k to trade on mine
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Roadhawg on February 02, 2019, 10:22:06 am
Went to go have a look at it this morning. I want it bad but Id have to addd ar least 80k to trade on mine

YOLO!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 02, 2019, 06:19:20 pm
Went to go have a look at it this morning. I want it bad but Id have to addd ar least 80k to trade on mine

I know the feeling well - when I bought my 701 (with less than 3000km) the difference with new was R50K - I could not substantiate it.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 02, 2019, 06:37:17 pm
Went to go have a look at it this morning. I want it bad but Id have to addd ar least 80k to trade on mine

YOLO!! :biggrin:

One life. Livid
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 02, 2019, 06:39:17 pm
Went to go have a look at it this morning. I want it bad but Id have to addd ar least 80k to trade on mine

I know the feeling well - when I bought my 701 (with less than 3000km) the difference with new was R50K - I could not substantiate it.

Not enough to justify it. Ill rather wait for the 790
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Andre v S on February 02, 2019, 07:19:44 pm
It's finally here! But I can't ride it until the homologation is completed. As soon as I have the chance I'll try to write an unbiased review (I'll try very hard....). In the meantime I'm frantically pacing up and down the passage way.

(https://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/unisto/IMG_6621.jpg) (https://s444.photobucket.com/user/unisto/media/IMG_6621.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 02, 2019, 07:24:02 pm
Wow, beautiful machine
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: WildWood on February 03, 2019, 07:23:41 am
Lucky bastard
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on February 04, 2019, 02:49:00 pm
Need to go stop there today!
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 04, 2019, 03:37:00 pm
Looks better in white  :peepwall:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: GAW on February 04, 2019, 03:59:34 pm
Yeah right

It's finally here! But I can't ride it until the homologation is completed. As soon as I have the chance I'll try to write an unbiased review (I'll try very hard....). In the meantime I'm frantically pacing up and down the passage way.

(https://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/unisto/IMG_6621.jpg) (https://s444.photobucket.com/user/unisto/media/IMG_6621.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 04, 2019, 07:13:10 pm
Yeah right

It's finally here! But I can't ride it until the homologation is completed. As soon as I have the chance I'll try to write an unbiased review (I'll try very hard....). In the meantime I'm frantically pacing up and down the passage way.

(https://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/unisto/IMG_6621.jpg) (https://s444.photobucket.com/user/unisto/media/IMG_6621.jpg.html)

Naah! still too much pumpkin  :imaposer:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Noneking on February 08, 2019, 10:30:14 am
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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It was for a 2019 Model, coming April, May.
No, it was a 2018 standing on the floor.

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KTM Nelspruit quoted me R114k for a brand new 690 old shape this week
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 08, 2019, 08:13:25 pm
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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It was for a 2019 Model, coming April, May.
No, it was a 2018 standing on the floor.

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KTM Nelspruit quoted me R114k for a brand new 690 old shape this week

Now thats good.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Noneking on February 08, 2019, 10:51:17 pm
I was Quoted R152k
I was at Raceworx on Saturday and saw a 2018 690 on the floor for 152k, 2019 got to be 10-20 k more?

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It was for a 2019 Model, coming April, May.
No, it was a 2018 standing on the floor.

Sent from my NEO-L29 using Tapatalk

KTM Nelspruit quoted me R114k for a brand new 690 old shape this week

Now thats good.


I think Dwerg metioned thats what they cost new 5 years ago
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 09, 2019, 03:17:14 am
Checked my invoices. I paid 108 in September 2014
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 09, 2019, 09:50:46 am
What got bettered on the 2019 model? Injector, fuel-pump, rocker arm...?

If it is essentially the same bike the I call this BARGAIN!!

The last XT660Z's cost 120k and that is or was not even a competitor...
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Welsh on February 09, 2019, 11:43:39 am
What got bettered on the 2019 model? Injector, fuel-pump, rocker arm...?

If it is essentially the same bike the I call this BARGAIN!!

The last XT660Z's cost 120k and that is or was not even a competitor...
new engine?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Noneking on February 09, 2019, 01:31:52 pm
Same engine, just the last of old models being sold before the brand new 690 is launched
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 09, 2019, 02:42:42 pm
Same engine, just the last of old models being sold before the brand new 690 is launched

Then the last of the 2018's is the biggest bargain!
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on February 09, 2019, 02:50:13 pm
Same engine, just the last of old models being sold before the brand new 690 is launched

Is it so? I thought the current 690 had the old engine with 69 or so HP and old head, not the same as the latest 701 that has new engine head and 75HP (and also doesn't anymore have the problem with the rocker arms as current 690 still has. Am I wrong?

Also 2019 690 will have higher quality suspension from EXC range as was discussed lively here few pages back. Also new 690 has 1 liter bigger tank - not a big deal I guess.

But that new engine with better suspension make 2019 690 significant improvement over current model IMO - at least on paper. Only the real world ride will tell how much this translates in practice.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Noneking on February 09, 2019, 02:54:16 pm
I meant the engine is the same as previous years
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on February 09, 2019, 02:57:58 pm
I meant the engine is the same as previous years

You mean the engine on the current (2018) model or on the upcoming 2019 one?

My understanding - can be wrong - is as I said, the current KTM has the old 690 engine with old engine head (because they didn't want to change the frame that new engine requires) and less power and more vibrations (and the rocker arm problem), while Husky 701 has since 2017 I think already the new engine.

And I thought that the 2019 690 model gets finally the new engine - the same one that was in Husky since 2017.

Have I got it wrong - I wasn't paying too much attention, so may have missed introduction of new engine to 690?
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Offshore on February 09, 2019, 02:58:33 pm
Same engine, just the last of old models being sold before the brand new 690 is launched

Is it so? I thought the current 690 had the old engine with 69 or so HP and old head, not the same as the latest 701 that has new engine head and 75HP (and also doesn't anymore have the problem with the rocker arms as current 690 still has. Am I wrong?

Also 2019 690 will have higher quality suspension from EXC range as was discussed lively here few pages back. Also new 690 has 1 liter bigger tank - not a big deal I guess.

But that new engine with better suspension make 2019 690 significant improvement over current model IMO - at least on paper. Only the real world ride will tell how much this translates in practice.
You are right, the 2018 Model has this Spec
SPECS: KTM 690 Enduro R

Engine: 690cc liquid-cooled, 4-stroke, single-cylinder engine

Transmission: 6-speed transmission

Final drive: Chain

Power: 67hp @ 7,500rpm

Torque: 68Nm @ 6,000rpm

Seat height: 36in

Dry weight; 308.6lbs

2019 Spec


ENGINE TYPE   Single-cylinder, 4-stroke
DISPLACEMENT   690 cc
BORE / STROKE   105 / 80 mm
POWER / TORQUE   74 hp @ 8000 rpm / 73.5 Nm @ 6,500 rpm
COMPRESSION RATIO   12.7:1
STARTER / BATTERY   E-starter / Lithium Ion 12V 8,6Ah
TRANSMISSION   6 gears
FUEL SYSTEM   Keihin EFI (throttle body 50 mm)
CONTROL   4 V / OHC
LUBRICATION   Pressure lubrication with 2 oil pumps
PRIMARY DRIVE   36:79
FINAL DRIVE   16:40
COOLING   Liquid cooling
CLUTCH   PASC slipper clutch, hydraulically operated
IGNITION / EMS   Keihin EMS with RBW, double ignition
TRACTION CONTROL   MTC (2-mode, disengageable)
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 09, 2019, 03:18:36 pm
I meant the engine is the same as previous years

You mean the engine on the current (2018) model or on the upcoming 2019 one?

My understanding - can be wrong - is as I said, the current KTM has the old 690 engine with old engine head (because they didn't want to change the frame that new engine requires) and less power and more vibrations (and the rocker arm problem), while Husky 701 has since 2017 I think already the new engine.

And I thought that the 2019 690 model gets finally the new engine - the same one that was in Husky since 2017.

Have I got it wrong - I wasn't paying too much attention, so may have missed introduction of new engine to 690?

Spot on.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on February 10, 2019, 04:11:32 pm
The 2019 KTM has the similar engine as the original KTM Duke 690 from 2016 onwards, that's the same engine the 701 came out with later (2017/2018.
It has a 13.5l fuel tank vs the 10.2l fuel tank of the 2018 model.
Rocker arm bearings weren't an issue after 2015 models unless you were unlucky enough to get the few who still went through with the old stock - from 2016 on it should all be good.but should probably be a precaution replacement every 30 000km parts are cheap do it when you check valves. Mine was checked on 10 000km service and still perfect.

Anyway back to the current one.
2019 engine would be  a bit smoother (dual balancer shafts) and has a bit more kw, extra rpm up high a little less torque down low.
Better front suspension same rear suspension.
Lost the dashboard with gear indicator and Rev counter but has an easier ABS disable button.
Has 2 riding modes and lean sensing ABS.
Has a quickshifter as standard.
Comes stock with mitas E07,
Is R152k and there are 2 standing on the floor at KTM Cape Town.
The seat didn't feel lower to me but it feels slightly broader than the 2018 model. The fairing in the front is really very nicely molded to fit my leg at leat. My knee fits exactly in the "indented" space.
I love the new mudguard
Beautiful bike. Actually you would mistake it for a new 350 exc-f/ 500exc-f at a very quick glance.




Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Xpat on February 10, 2019, 08:17:29 pm
Supermoto, not enduro, but at least initial impression:


Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Tom van Brits on February 10, 2019, 09:13:15 pm
Good vid, and amazing bike. Sounds by the excitement of the tester that this bike has improved quite a bit despite the moan about the limited instrementation and the quick shifter which he doesnt feel 'sure' about. Nevertheless, I think this is a stunning machine  :laughing4: :thumleft:
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on February 11, 2019, 07:43:50 am
People kept telling me what amazing bike the 690 was. I didn't believe them at first, they eventually convinced me, I got one, and now I'm telling you, the 690 is a seriously good and fun bike! This one seems even better! Yes the price is getting up there now, but I still think at R152k it's worth it for what this bike brings to the table.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 11, 2019, 01:18:53 pm
The SMC is really toying with my emotions  :lol8:  :ricky:

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: IDR on February 12, 2019, 09:19:22 am
Jason Statham likes it too...

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Rough Rider on February 12, 2019, 05:01:13 pm
The SMC is really toying with my emotions  :lol8:  :ricky:



I wish I could ride my bike like this dude.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Dwerg on February 12, 2019, 06:38:03 pm
You and me both. Fagan is no slouch either but there is just something about supermoto style
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: Omninorm on February 18, 2019, 03:51:13 pm


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I noticed that the seat in the video is very different from the seat we get here.

Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: BiG DoM on February 18, 2019, 08:29:59 pm
I think they have changed the seat on the '19.
Title: Re: New KTM 690's ????
Post by: GAW on February 19, 2019, 09:47:41 am
So you got it yet or are you still visiting KTM daily to drool??

It's finally here! But I can't ride it until the homologation is completed. As soon as I have the chance I'll try to write an unbiased review (I'll try very hard....). In the meantime I'm frantically pacing up and down the passage way.

(https://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/unisto/IMG_6621.jpg) (https://s444.photobucket.com/user/unisto/media/IMG_6621.jpg.html)