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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200 LC => Topic started by: Sleeper on May 26, 2018, 11:15:30 am

Title: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Sleeper on May 26, 2018, 11:15:30 am
BMW MOTORRAD

I am an adventure motorcycling enthusiast, using my bike for both commuting and adventure. I switched from orange to blue because I wasn’t comfortable with the level of support as a commuter at the time. I “upgraded” from my F800GSA to a 2017 R1200GSA  demo model with 2000 km in April 2017. I have done one adventure trip to Swaziland and a few one- and two day trips since.  My bike went for its 20 000 km service early May 2018, costing R3 500-00. The brakes had about 20% left. I chose not to add it to the list as it would add another R 3 000-00 to the bill. A week after the service, on my way back from the office the driveshaft packed up and left me standing on the side of the road. This happened on Sunday the 13th of May 2018.

The mechanic eventually replied that, after I asked why they haven’t picked it up when it was serviced less than a week before, that they do not check the drive shafts as the clients are not prepared to pay for the additional labour? The problems with the driveshafts on the LC’s are a common occurrence and one should think that it should be a standard part of the maintenance service routine?

My brother, a fellow LC owner had such a big fright and booked his bike for a check straightaway. R350 to check... at the same dealer. It turned out that his driveshaft (+/- 2014 model) started corroding and would cost R14 000 to fix. Luckily he was proactive, because it could cost him R40 000 as that is what they reckon my damage is?  Even if BMW are prepared to fix all of this under warranty, it remains disappointing than it is not being dealt with proactively, starting at the dealers.

I feel like, as a consumer, I have done all I can to maintain my bike by sending it for its services on time, and doing pre-trip inspections? I will be without wheels for at least 3 weeks.
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 26, 2018, 11:20:40 am
 the driveshaft packed up

That is a very loose term. Did the shaft break or did the bearings in the FD break?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: punisher on May 26, 2018, 01:43:22 pm
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Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Dustbin Dog on May 27, 2018, 07:49:23 am
I checked mine myself, it took about an hour with assistance of a friend. Will not take as long second time around. All was good.  :)
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: DirtRebell on May 27, 2018, 11:05:34 am
I checked mine myself, it took about an hour with assistance of a friend. Will not take as long second time around. All was good.  :)

How did you check and what did you look out for?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Dustbin Dog on May 27, 2018, 11:12:34 am
I pivoted the FD to open the rubber bellow and checked for water contamination ( rust ) and spline lubrication.

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Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: BLK on May 27, 2018, 11:58:15 am
Mine was checked by Northside this week.(35000km-2014 LC)-all Fine except when I got home and inspected the work done the Boot was not replaced/sealed properly so I am taking it back tomorrow for them to seal properly.
I have 3 x mates in the last month with drive seizures due to rust(all LC's)

Check that drive.

cheers
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Aaklige Attie on May 27, 2018, 03:51:05 pm
BMW MOTORRAD

I am an adventure motorcycling enthusiast, using my bike for both commuting and adventure. I switched from orange to blue because I wasn’t comfortable with the level of support as a commuter at the time. I “upgraded” from my F800GSA to a 2017 R1200GSA  demo model with 2000 km in April 2017. I have done one adventure trip to Swaziland and a few one- and two day trips since.  My bike went for its 20 000 km service early May 2018, costing R3 500-00. The brakes had about 20% left. I chose not to add it to the list as it would add another R 3 000-00 to the bill. A week after the service, on my way back from the office the driveshaft packed up and left me standing on the side of the road. This happened on Sunday the 13th of May 2018.

The mechanic eventually replied that, after I asked why they haven’t picked it up when it was serviced less than a week before, that they do not check the drive shafts as the clients are not prepared to pay for the additional labour? The problems with the driveshafts on the LC’s are a common occurrence and one should think that it should be a standard part of the maintenance service routine?

My brother, a fellow LC owner had such a big fright and booked his bike for a check straightaway. R350 to check... at the same dealer. It turned out that his driveshaft (+/- 2014 model) started corroding and would cost R14 000 to fix. Luckily he was proactive, because it could cost him R40 000 as that is what they reckon my damage is?  Even if BMW are prepared to fix all of this under warranty, it remains disappointing than it is not being dealt with proactively, starting at the dealers.

I feel like, as a consumer, I have done all I can to maintain my bike by sending it for its services on time, and doing pre-trip inspections? I will be without wheels for at least 3 weeks.

Do they cover this under warrenty?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Sleeper on May 27, 2018, 08:58:29 pm
Yes, it will be covered by the warranty. It was the driveshaft splines that stripped as well as the diff shaft?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Skootaboy on May 28, 2018, 08:44:53 am
After 90 years of building bikes with driveshafts BMW should know how to engineer them by now. My 1200 Adventure (2006 model) had rear bearing siezure at about 40 000 kms. At about 78 000 kms I had a breakdown near the Swazi border with driveshaft failure. BMW driveshafts suck!
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on May 28, 2018, 10:27:21 am
After 90 years of building bikes with driveshafts BMW should know how to engineer them by now.and they should know how to instruct China how to build them. :deal: :deal:

Fixed.
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Far@way on May 29, 2018, 02:25:31 pm
Oh bugger, it's is really starting to worry me now!
I had a 2009 GSA and was always checking my driveshaft when I service the bike and although I sold it with no issues at all at 64000km, it was always in the back of my mind....
Then I bought a 2015 LC model with only 17000km on the clock and I am so chuffed with this bike and I have done a few long distance trips....
After reading about the alarming rate at which these driveshafts have been failing especially on the LC models I'm really wondering if I made the right choice?
I love my bike...and plan to do lots more trips, but I can't get this feeling that something is going to pack up(driveshaft) on one of my looong trips....
I did check mine myself before the next service and all seems fine, but shit....like mentioned, surely BMW should sort this out?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: GravelFox on June 04, 2018, 03:09:29 pm
Also checked mine @ Auto Alpina today. 2014 GSA LC. All looking good.  Got the opportunity to look at it myself.

BLK can you send me a pic of your boot after they have reinstated it properly?


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Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: max lange on June 04, 2018, 09:42:04 pm
Checked mine today, no corrosion but very little grease. At the same time I replaced the final drive oil and lubricated the rear brake caliper slides (they were dry).
2015 Trophy with 30000km

Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Generaal Gert on June 18, 2018, 01:19:04 pm
I was at BMW Sandton the other day and overheard a conversation that the drive shaft service is now compulsory with every 10 000km service  :pot:
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on June 18, 2018, 01:46:17 pm
I am interested in buying an older model BMW like a GS1100 or GS1150. That being said I always speak to a buddy off my that is a bike mechie and works at one off the BMW service centers, before that he worked on all the jap bikes and was workshop manager as well.

Anyway, he immediately warned me off the GS1200LC, just in case I thought off one, specially about rust issues on that bike and even more so rust issues with the drive shafts where the spline disintegrate because off it. Says they have endless trouble with the LC models, first it was the stanchions now the rust and bloody expensive to fix if out off warranty.

According to him the most reliable off the lot was the old GS1100, never had one with driveshaft issues. On the GS1150 it was limited and usually it was rider induced problems.
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: Jonathan on July 15, 2018, 01:15:26 pm
Hi Guys & Gals,
I was rather concerned reading all these posts, as i have already suffered with a hairline cracked front rim, which i fas forced to replace at my own expense.
I was invited to Alpina BMW for a test drive & Boerie roll on Saturday 14 July 2018, so thought it prudent to have mine checked since i was already there.
The Bike was promptly booked in and i picked it up later after testing the 2018 Demo R1200GSA , the total cost was R541.82 .
As it turned out , with my bike the shaft was dry , but luckily not damaged at this time.    R1200GSA 2015 model, 23000km's.
As pointed out earlier in this forum it is now included in every 10 000 km service by BMW in moving forward.

PS PS, the 2018 really has a much slicker gearbox than the 2015 !!!
But is the gearbox work R85 000 ? ( Cost to replace 2015 bike with 2018 bike)  :pot:
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: BiG DoM on July 15, 2018, 04:54:49 pm
Checked mine today, no corrosion but very little grease. At the same time I replaced the final drive oil and lubricated the rear brake caliper slides (they were dry).
2015 Trophy with 30000km

Do you seal the boot with silicone as extra protection? Or am I seeing things?
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: punisher on July 16, 2018, 05:18:31 pm
allways in the back of my mind after having suffered  shaft failure on my 2008 , and main rear bearing failure on my 2009

insist my mechie checks every service
Title: Re: R1200GS ADV DRIVESHAFT
Post by: gee on July 16, 2018, 05:35:39 pm
as far as i have been told inspection has now become part of the service list instruction by bmwsa