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Title: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2018, 11:44:09 am
- Tom Sykes not signed by Kawasaki.  Rumour says he will go to Pata Yamaha.
-  Leon Haslam makes surprise appearance as the new 2019 onward team mate for Johnathan Rea.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: sidetrack on June 29, 2018, 12:02:28 pm
Do people still watch WSB, seems it's watered down a bit from past years ? Very few factory teams or am I wrong.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 29, 2018, 12:07:03 pm
I enjoy it this year - Ducati making the odd stand, Yamaha popping its head up now & then - Kawasaki dominating mostly tho....
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on July 02, 2018, 02:28:46 pm
WSBK for the past 6 years has been very average at best. Dorna now owning the series may have watered it down a lot. Definitely not the racing we had in the 2000,s and early 20... teens

I dont like the race 1 and race 2 on separate days and absolutely detest the grid switch for race 2. Only 3 teams have full factory support and this is reflected in every weekend at every race. I say can all the BS and make WSBK essentially what the STK1000 spec bikes are. Then you get back to the race on Sunday buy on Monday motto.

If Tom is rumored to be going to Yamaha who is out? Vandermark to MotoGp?
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobD on July 02, 2018, 02:32:43 pm
WSBK for the past 6 years has been very average at best. Dorna now owning the series may have watered it down a lot. Definitely not the racing we had in the 2000,s and early 20... teens

I dont like the race 1 and race 2 on separate days and absolutely detest the grid switch for race 2. Only 3 teams have full factory support and this is reflected in every weekend at every race. I say can all the BS and make WSBK essentially what the STK1000 spec bikes are. Then you get back to the race on Sunday buy on Monday motto.

If Tom is rumored to be going to Yamaha who is out? Vandermark to MotoGp?


Well said, couldn't agree more... :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Serfie on July 02, 2018, 03:23:52 pm
WSBK for the past 6 years has been very average at best. Dorna now owning the series may have watered it down a lot. Definitely not the racing we had in the 2000,s and early 20... teens

I dont like the race 1 and race 2 on separate days and absolutely detest the grid switch for race 2. Only 3 teams have full factory support and this is reflected in every weekend at every race. I say can all the BS and make WSBK essentially what the STK1000 spec bikes are. Then you get back to the race on Sunday buy on Monday motto.

If Tom is rumored to be going to Yamaha who is out? Vandermark to MotoGp?


Well said, couldn't agree more... :thumleft:


Agree!!!  :deal: Must admit that WSB have really become boring the last season or two, specially when compared with MotoGP at Assen this past weekend!
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2018, 03:47:47 pm
WSBK for the past 6 years has been very average at best. Dorna now owning the series may have watered it down a lot. Definitely not the racing we had in the 2000,s and early 20... teens

I dont like the race 1 and race 2 on separate days and absolutely detest the grid switch for race 2. Only 3 teams have full factory support and this is reflected in every weekend at every race. I say can all the BS and make WSBK essentially what the STK1000 spec bikes are. Then you get back to the race on Sunday buy on Monday motto.

If Tom is rumored to be going to Yamaha who is out? Vandermark to MotoGp?
What ? Jeez that is stupid. So you need to travel to a track twice in a weekend as a fan.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on July 02, 2018, 08:24:56 pm
WSBK for the past 6 years has been very average at best. Dorna now owning the series may have watered it down a lot. Definitely not the racing we had in the 2000,s and early 20... teens

I dont like the race 1 and race 2 on separate days and absolutely detest the grid switch for race 2. Only 3 teams have full factory support and this is reflected in every weekend at every race. I say can all the BS and make WSBK essentially what the STK1000 spec bikes are. Then you get back to the race on Sunday buy on Monday motto.

If Tom is rumored to be going to Yamaha who is out? Vandermark to MotoGp?
What ? Jeez that is stupid. So you need to travel to a track twice in a weekend as a fan.
Yip been doing it for 2 seasons already. Some like it,most don't.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on July 07, 2018, 04:14:16 pm
Misno race 1 boring as f...k. Feel sorry for cometary making a go of it. Nice for Laverty. End of.....
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 07, 2018, 05:30:46 pm
WSBK will die if Dorna does not sort the huge gaps between teams that exists now.  They said they would bring them back, closer to standard spec, similar to the Superstock 1000 or Supersport 600, but have so far failed to make any big changes.  They are already drawing only half the viewers they used to and that MGP does.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on July 09, 2018, 05:44:00 pm
Besides the Johhny Rea show, have you noticed the stands, especially on a Saturday, I think there are more people at Killarney for a club race.

Remember the Bayliss  - Edwards years, that was proper entertaining racing. These days I record it, start watching, if it becomes a progression, I fast forward to the end to see who won.

The lighties on their 300's is more entertaining.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Serfie on July 09, 2018, 06:28:54 pm
Besides the Johhny Rea show, have you noticed the stands, especially on a Saturday, I think there are more people at Killarney for a club race.

Remember the Bayliss  - Edwards years, that was proper entertaining racing. These days I record it, start watching, if it becomes a progression, I fast forward to the end to see who won.

The lighties on their 300's is more entertaining.



 :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2018, 08:51:47 am
Besides the Johhny Rea show, have you noticed the stands, especially on a Saturday, I think there are more people at Killarney for a club race.

Remember the Bayliss  - Edwards years, that was proper entertaining racing. These days I record it, start watching, if it becomes a progression, I fast forward to the end to see who won.

The lighties on their 300's is more entertaining.

Way more interesting, especially when the chickies like Ana Carasco and Maria Herrera kicks their teenage arses!   :thumleft:

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Rough Rider on July 10, 2018, 08:56:17 am
I would really like to see how good Rea actually is; he needs to move onto a competitive MotoGP bike.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2018, 09:35:12 am
I would really like to see how good Rea actually is; he needs to move onto a competitive MotoGP bike.

I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike.  What we are seeing in WSBK is  very good rider on a very good bike, which the team have managed to set up 100% to suit the rider. 

What I would like to see is the top 6 or so riders from WSBK and MGP on identical bikes, directly from the showroom.  I think there may be some surprises in such a race.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Rough Rider on July 10, 2018, 12:16:42 pm
I would really like to see how good Rea actually is; he needs to move onto a competitive MotoGP bike.

I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike.  What we are seeing in WSBK is  very good rider on a very good bike, which the team have managed to set up 100% to suit the rider. 

What I would like to see is the top 6 or so riders from WSBK and MGP on identical bikes, directly from the showroom.  I think there may be some surprises in such a race.

I agree, although the cream always floats to the top.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 20, 2018, 01:57:49 pm
Yamaha confirmed Lowes and Van der Mark, so the rumour that Sykes will go there (now confirmed not having signed with Kawasaki) shot out of the water.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sithe on July 20, 2018, 02:53:00 pm
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sheepman on July 23, 2018, 10:26:44 am
I would really like to see how good Rea actually is; he needs to move onto a competitive MotoGP bike.

I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike.  What we are seeing in WSBK is  very good rider on a very good bike, which the team have managed to set up 100% to suit the rider. 

What I would like to see is the top 6 or so riders from WSBK and MGP on identical bikes, directly from the showroom.  I think there may be some surprises in such a race.

Very few SBK racers could successfully upgrade to GP. Rea is very fast on a very fast, well prepped ZX 10 - I think the issue of proper competition is rather with the other manufacturers not staging very competitive bikes.Chas Davies tries very hard, but the Panigale is just not up to scratch.The RR 's are not bad but not a real threat currently.As for the RSV4's, they certainly fell behind in the development stakes the last few years.The R1's are also not on the cutting edge.any more.Take nothing away from the Rea show, for him and Kawasaki its a good innings.......but hell, it makes for boring racing  :(
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on July 25, 2018, 08:24:24 am
Haslam officially confirmed at Kawasaki for 2 years
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sheepman on July 25, 2018, 09:02:14 am
Haslam officially confirmed at Kawasaki for 2 years

Interesting  :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 09:19:12 am
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike

Fully agreed that It does have a lot to do with the bike, but you need to be a good rider to use the bike properly.  Jonathan did win quite a few races on the Honda.  He rode a Honda in WSBK from 2009 to 2014 and won 13 races.  Best finish was 4th in the championship.  Possibly the best Honda rider in WSBK in many years.

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Rough Rider on July 25, 2018, 09:24:10 am
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike

Fully agreed that It does have a lot to do with the bike, but you need to be a good rider to use the bike properly.  Jonathan did win quite a few races on the Honda.  He rode a Honda in WSBK from 2009 to 2014 and won 13 races.  Best finish was 4th in the championship.  Possibly the best Honda rider in WSBK in many years.

He was learning his trade, put him back on said Honda and it will be a different story.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 09:40:20 am
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike

Fully agreed that It does have a lot to do with the bike, but you need to be a good rider to use the bike properly.  Jonathan did win quite a few races on the Honda.  He rode a Honda in WSBK from 2009 to 2014 and won 13 races.  Best finish was 4th in the championship.  Possibly the best Honda rider in WSBK in many years.

He was learning his trade, put him back on said Honda and it will be a different story.

I doubt he will do anything on the current Honda within the current rules.  The gap between the factory bikes and non-factory bikes in WSBK have become too large.   
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Rough Rider on July 26, 2018, 08:20:15 am
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike

Fully agreed that It does have a lot to do with the bike, but you need to be a good rider to use the bike properly.  Jonathan did win quite a few races on the Honda.  He rode a Honda in WSBK from 2009 to 2014 and won 13 races.  Best finish was 4th in the championship.  Possibly the best Honda rider in WSBK in many years.

He was learning his trade, put him back on said Honda and it will be a different story.

I doubt he will do anything on the current Honda within the current rules.  The gap between the factory bikes and non-factory bikes in WSBK have become too large.

Mr Rea is a better rider than people give him credit for.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 08:49:47 am
I think Rea is an excellent rider and could possibly win on any bike. 

He was on the Honda for many years and didn't win a thing ... so I think it has a lot to do with the bike

Fully agreed that It does have a lot to do with the bike, but you need to be a good rider to use the bike properly.  Jonathan did win quite a few races on the Honda.  He rode a Honda in WSBK from 2009 to 2014 and won 13 races.  Best finish was 4th in the championship.  Possibly the best Honda rider in WSBK in many years.

He was learning his trade, put him back on said Honda and it will be a different story.

I doubt he will do anything on the current Honda within the current rules.  The gap between the factory bikes and non-factory bikes in WSBK have become too large.

Mr Rea is a better rider than people give him credit for.

Agreed.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Serfie on September 16, 2018, 06:20:21 pm
Aarrgghhh... just watched the Portugal round of the the WSB scene, but the racing has really got progressively more boring from a spectator point of view. Rea dominates every race and everybody else and Sykes seems to fall further and further behind his team mate...probably a lack of motivation now that his contract  has not been renewed. WSS is slightly better though although Sheridan Morais does not shape on the Kawasaki as he did on the Yammie the previous year and lately he is making up the back of the grid in Moto2. The only real excitement is in the WSS 300 class with that Ana (forgot her surname) girlie who really seems to be driving the pants off the men...I really think that WSB racing from decades ago was much more exciting than the last couple of  years. Hope that DORNA will be doing something for next year as spectator numbers will continue to fall...  :patch:

 
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobD on September 17, 2018, 10:06:17 am
For the 1st time in my life I don't actually care if I miss the race...... SBK has lost so much of its charms... :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on September 17, 2018, 11:12:06 am
It looks like the camera crew have been told to avoid the empty stands, but sometime they cannot help it.

I caught Sunday's race by chance, don't look out for it anymore, nothing like the days of Bayliss VS Edwards.

At the same time, you have to give Rea and the Kawasaki team some credit.

Maybe the arrival of the V4 next year will change things up a bit.

I also think the way they now split the weekend up has something to do with it.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sithe on September 17, 2018, 11:17:44 am
Besides the Johhny Rea show, have you noticed the stands, especially on a Saturday, I think there are more people at Killarney for a club race.

Remember the Bayliss  - Edwards years, that was proper entertaining racing. These days I record it, start watching, if it becomes a progression, I fast forward to the end to see who won.

The lighties on their 300's is more entertaining.

Yes, those were the days. Even before that, Troy Corser, Carl Forgatty, Nori Haga, etc .... you never knew who was winning it.

Now soon as Jonathan Rea hits the front you can switch over to Formula 1. ... still can't believe I would ever do that, switch from a wsbk to f1 race  :'(
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobC on September 17, 2018, 11:54:35 am
Do people still watch WSB, seems it's watered down a bit from past years ? Very few factory teams or am I wrong.
Better than MOTOgp imho. :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on September 17, 2018, 12:23:58 pm
Do people still watch WSB, seems it's watered down a bit from past years ? Very few factory teams or am I wrong.
Better than MOTOgp imho. :thumleft:

Okay!  Own up!  What do you smoke and where do we get?   >:D
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Kerritz on September 17, 2018, 02:21:30 pm

Now soon as Jonathan Rea hits the front you can switch over to Formula 1. ... still can't believe I would ever do that, switch from a wsbk to f1 race  :'(


Thought I was the only one. In the beginning I almost felt guilty but now it is just like well here we go again lets hope someone can kick Hamilton's ass.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: adamktm on September 17, 2018, 05:18:02 pm
Have to agree, I havenít watched WSBK since it became the Rea show. Iím happy for him, cos heís an an amazing rider and deserves all his success. Itís just boring.

Also think they need to go back to single race day.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobC on September 18, 2018, 08:50:44 am
You guys just seem to watch the main race... it is in the other classses that the real action is... same as the MotoGP races... the main races are boring, almost as boring as F1 and Nascar! :sip: :peepwall:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on September 18, 2018, 09:00:16 am
You guys just seem to watch the main race... it is in the other classses that the real action is... same as the MotoGP races... the main races are boring, almost as boring as F1 and Nascar! :sip: :peepwall:

Ah!  But then you should have said:

WSBK is boring, however WSSP600, WSS300 and Superstock1000 is awesomeness.   :3some:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobC on September 18, 2018, 09:41:14 am
You guys just seem to watch the main race... it is in the other classses that the real action is... same as the MotoGP races... the main races are boring, almost as boring as F1 and Nascar! :sip: :peepwall:

Ah!  But then you should have said:

WSBK is boring, however WSSP600, WSS300 and Superstock1000 is awesomeness.   :3some:
MD knows when I say "It is SBK this weekend." that nothing gets done... I watch the lot!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on September 18, 2018, 09:46:38 am
You guys just seem to watch the main race... it is in the other classses that the real action is... same as the MotoGP races... the main races are boring, almost as boring as F1 and Nascar! :sip: :peepwall:

Ah!  But then you should have said:

WSBK is boring, however WSSP600, WSS300 and Superstock1000 is awesomeness.   :3some:
MD knows when I say "It is SBK this weekend." that nothing gets done... I watch the lot!  :imaposer:

Same here.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on October 15, 2018, 09:27:07 am
Recorded the races this weekend, late last night saw on FB that Rea had done the double again, and could see in the picture no one else was even on the same straight as him, so I just deleted the races.

See they are working on a three race per weekend schedule for next year, but it's not going to help the races unless someone gets to coming near him consistently.

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on October 15, 2018, 09:56:52 am
Recorded the races this weekend, late last night saw on FB that Rea had done the double again, and could see in the picture no one else was even on the same straight as him, so I just deleted the races.

See they are working on a three race per weekend schedule for next year, but it's not going to help the races unless someone gets to coming near him consistently.
Kawasaki ZX is light years ahead of any other team barring Ducati and Yamaha (On some tracks). Kawasaki have the biggest budget out of them all with full factory support. That bike has also been developed around Rea hence why Sykes has battled. It may be interesting when Haslam becomes Rea,s team mate next year . Bottom line is until they drastically simplify tech regulations and cap budgets it will always be the current top 3. There are only 3 full factory supported teams as is evident in the results week in week out. Some teams have no factory support at all.

Im my opinion its simple....

Apply the same tech regulations as FIM 1000 Superstocks or British Superbikes and the racing will improve drastically. The motto of race on Sunday buy on Monday needs to come back.

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Serfie on October 15, 2018, 10:57:44 am
Recorded the races this weekend, late last night saw on FB that Rea had done the double again, and could see in the picture no one else was even on the same straight as him, so I just deleted the races.

See they are working on a three race per weekend schedule for next year, but it's not going to help the races unless someone gets to coming near him consistently.
Kawasaki ZX is light years ahead of any other team barring Ducati and Yamaha (On some tracks). Kawasaki have the biggest budget out of them all with full factory support. That bike has also been developed around Rea hence why Sykes has battled. It may be interesting when Haslam becomes Rea,s team mate next year . Bottom line is until they drastically simplify tech regulations and cap budgets it will always be the current top 3. There are only 3 full factory supported teams as is evident in the results week in week out. Some teams have no factory support at all.

Im my opinion its simple....

Apply the same tech regulations as FIM 1000 Superstocks or British Superbikes and the racing will improve drastically. The motto of race on Sunday buy on Monday needs to come back.




Spot on!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sonny on October 16, 2018, 06:08:14 pm
Cant take it away from JR, he's totally at his best and there just doesn't seem to be any other super 'off the wall' talent around.
I dont understand why factory support is so limited either, private teams don't stand a chance. Riders are getting lapped.

But, its bike racing, i love it and i cant help myself but strap in and watch the weekends races.


Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: punisher on October 16, 2018, 06:38:44 pm
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Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on October 18, 2018, 05:49:03 pm
Cant take it away from JR, he's totally at his best and there just doesn't seem to be any other super 'off the wall' talent around.
I dont understand why factory support is so limited either, private teams don't stand a chance. Riders are getting lapped.

But, its bike racing, i love it and i cant help myself but strap in and watch the weekends races.

Factory support is limited because Superbikes were never meant to be factory teams.

Now Dorna, is suggesting three, yes THREE races for the superbikes on race weekend.  I have to ask myself: "to what end?" 

Anyway., I hope like nuts MotoGP doesn't follow.  Imagine watching that little bugger, MM93 winning 3 times in the same weekend!!!   >:D
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on October 21, 2018, 08:55:45 pm
Sykes has signed for Suin Muir racing for next year. They are changing from Aprilia to full factory backed BMW S1000rrs. His team mate will be STK 1000 champ Reiterberger which leaves Laverty out in the cold with not many other seats available other than Red Bull Honda.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on October 21, 2018, 09:01:09 pm
https://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/908301/1/sykes-partner-reiterberger-smrbmw-2019#click=https://t.co/q6wnSWlrO6
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on October 21, 2018, 09:02:24 pm
https://www.crash.net/wsbk/news/908313/1/laverty-devastated-hear-smrbmw-snub#click=https://t.co/yxiWOMjfNI
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on October 21, 2018, 09:08:24 pm
I can't help but think that Laverty,s foray into Motogp ruined what was otherwise looking to be a good carrier in SBK. Just like Loris Baz. Baz left SBK on a high,dabbled in Moto gp for 2 seasons and is now back in sbk riding for what is with all do respect a second string team.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sonny on October 23, 2018, 01:28:07 pm
Makes sense to sign Reiterberger, he won the Superstock on a BMW.
Pity about Laverty, he has made a remarkable come back from injury....whats happening with Aprillia?
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on November 06, 2018, 07:58:33 pm
So next season is looking a bit more promising. We have BMW and HRC Honda back with full factory support.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 07, 2018, 09:33:34 am
So next season is looking a bit more promising. We have BMW and HRC Honda back with full factory support.

Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sithe on November 07, 2018, 03:57:59 pm
Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.

The series is starting to resemble wrestling ... total waste of time

I lost all interest when they introduced that reverse grid nonsenses ... what will they do next, bring weight penalties for wins ... or maybe the winner of race one sits out race two .... what's all this meddling and fiddling ... let them race and let the fastest man win
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Cracker on November 07, 2018, 06:51:56 pm
Yep, I gotta agree with that ................  :thumleft:

If they need to interfere they should call all the riders in, except Rea, and tell them to speed the fuck up!!!

Penalties for being slow, not fast, is the way to go. I'm a liberal at heart but this is racing, dog eat dog ..................... gladiator stuff.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 08, 2018, 08:45:32 am
Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.

The series is starting to resemble wrestling ... total waste of time

I lost all interest when they introduced that reverse grid nonsenses ... what will they do next, bring weight penalties for wins ... or maybe the winner of race one sits out race two .... what's all this meddling and fiddling ... let them race and let the fastest man win

I agree that it has become boring, but I believe the biggest cause for the problem is caused by your last sentence above.  Let them race and the fastest man win works really well in the Superstock classes, but WSBK lost the plot when they started building bikes from MotoGP style go fast parts.  This meant that the richest team won and won non stop and it became boring.  A prime example of this is that Ducati launched their V4 superbike during the past year.  The V4S which is an 1100cc bike (not eligible for WSBK) and this past week the V4R, which is a 998cc bike.  Perfect for WSBK and right out of the box makes more horsepower than the MotoGP Ducati that Casey Stoner won the world championship with in 2007.  This is the bike that the Ducati factory will retune and rebuild for WSBK next year.  Unless Kawasaki, Yamaha and the new BMW and Honda factory teams come up with some serious wizardry, there will be no competition for this Ducati and we enter yet another year of boredom.

Weight "penalties", restricted airflow, etc.  has been part of WSBK for some years already.  Of course, it didn't work.

Yep, I gotta agree with that ................  :thumleft:

If they need to interfere they should call all the riders in, except Rea, and tell them to speed the fuck up!!!

Penalties for being slow, not fast, is the way to go. I'm a liberal at heart but this is racing, dog eat dog ..................... gladiator stuff.

I agree in principle, but WSBK is not dog eat dog.  It is lion eat puppy due to the massive spend by the factory teams as opposed to the non-factory teams.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sithe on November 08, 2018, 09:05:36 am
The danger for JR is that he will suffer the same fact like Carl Forgaty ... you win 12 races in a row, four championships in a row, etc etc ... but no one really considers you a top notch jockey because everyone knows you have this huge bike advantage

If you want to prove to yourself that you deserve respect than you should move up to the series where all the best riders are ... Moto GP
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 08, 2018, 09:14:10 am
The danger for JR is that he will suffer the same fact like Carl Forgaty ... you win 12 races in a row, four championships in a row, etc etc ... but no one really considers you a top notch jockey because everyone knows you have this huge bike advantage

If you want to prove to yourself that you deserve respect than you should move up to the series where all the best riders are ... Moto GP
If this comment of yours was true then what about Troy Bailis and Colin Edwards, won on the best machines? The fact id JR won on the Honda and did rather well as a stand-in on the Honda, a bike he had no experience on and was riding somebody else settings. The Kawasaki has been the best bike and his team mate a former champion on the same bike, not forget the Yamaha has won the World Endurance championship and Suzuka, so therefore we can then say that JR is a great rider with a really great team and a SUPER crew chief.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Cracker on November 08, 2018, 12:39:47 pm
So, Bear, tell us about this sprint thing. That might be interesting. Hopefully there's no-one worrying about saving tyres, etc.

AND there's no excuse anymore to not 'have a go' at catching the leprechaun
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 08, 2018, 12:55:46 pm
So, Bear, tell us about this sprint thing. That might be interesting. Hopefully there's no-one worrying about saving tyres, etc.

AND there's no excuse anymore to not 'have a go' at catching the leprechaun

There is precious little information available at this stage.  It seems the plan is to introduce this in 2019 already. 

- Saturday afternoon will have the normal Race 1 with a grid set according to the Superpole results. 
- Sunday morning will have have this "short, sprint race" which will also determine the grid for Race 2.
- Sunday afternoon will have the normal Race 2.

At this stage it seems no one is sure what "short" means and you are correct.  No worries over tyre life so they can all go soft option and ride like demons to catch that little oke on the green bike.  It may well be the most exciting race of the weekend.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 12, 2018, 10:36:56 am
So next season is looking a bit more promising. We have BMW and HRC Honda back with full factory support.

Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.

Also confirmed now, Yamaha full factory team will enter the WSBK from 2019 onward.  The GTR Yamaha Team that won the 600cc World Championship will be in WSBK with factory backing and with riders, Marco Melandri and Sandro Cortese (the dude who won the 600 championship this year).
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: trevo on November 12, 2018, 12:40:01 pm
Who is going to be JR team mate?
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 12, 2018, 12:44:00 pm
Who is going to be JR team mate?
Leon Haslam
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 12, 2018, 01:12:45 pm
Who is going to be JR team mate?

Leon Haslam.

EDIT:  I should have read Cocky's post .....   :lol8:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Gryshond on November 12, 2018, 02:28:29 pm
So Dorna want to make WSBK more competitive by doing the following

Rev limit Ė if you do well your rev limit gets reduced (less power)
Concessions on engine development, if you struggle you can develop throughout the year.
Price caps and approval process on key suspension and engine parts
I assume the air restrictors remain although they do not appear to work as intended.

F1 did a lot of this and the racing has become closer, but also artificial. This may eventually work after a few seasons of bedding in like it did in F1. Which by the way is still boring but less than WSBK.

I would really love it if there was no WSBK and SuperStock was the main race. Let the bikes be a true representation of what you can buy off the showroom floor. The cost will be way lower and the racing may become exciting. If the ZX10 is truly the best then so be it, but that is not what it looks like at track days.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 12, 2018, 05:20:57 pm
So next season is looking a bit more promising. We have BMW and HRC Honda back with full factory support.

Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.

Also confirmed now, Yamaha full factory team will enter the WSBK from 2019 onward.  The GTR Yamaha Team that won the 600cc World Championship will be in WSBK with factory backing and with riders, Marco Melandri and Sandro Cortese (the dude who won the 600 championship this year).
The team, who took the 2017 World Supersport Championship title with Lucas Mahias, and finished runners-up in 2018 to their new signing, Cortese, will run two factory-supported Yamaha YZF-R1 machines that they will run for the first time in testing at Jerez in southern Spain starting on November 26.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2018, 01:34:18 pm
So next season is looking a bit more promising. We have BMW and HRC Honda back with full factory support.

Add to BMW and Honda's factory returns the new V4 Ducati and WSBK may become worth watching again.  Also, if they bring in the third race as planned, it may be exciting as the plan is for it to be a sprint race and that may well be very interesting.

Also confirmed now, Yamaha full factory team will enter the WSBK from 2019 onward.  The GTR Yamaha Team that won the 600cc World Championship will be in WSBK with factory backing and with riders, Marco Melandri and Sandro Cortese (the dude who won the 600 championship this year).
The team, who took the 2017 World Supersport Championship title with Lucas Mahias, and finished runners-up in 2018 to their new signing, Cortese, will run two factory-supported Yamaha YZF-R1 machines that they will run for the first time in testing at Jerez in southern Spain starting on November 26.

Thank you for the correction.  You are like my wife.  Follow me around and refresh my memory when and where needed.  Cortese is, of course not from the GRT Yamaha team, but rather the Kalio Racing Team, my bad.  My info indicates that the GRT Team will be a full factory team though.  That said, I am no sure if the Pata Yamaha Team then becomes a factory supported team, or how it will be managed.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on November 15, 2018, 06:54:51 am
So Dorna want to make WSBK more competitive by doing the following

Rev limit Ė if you do well your rev limit gets reduced (less power)
Concessions on engine development, if you struggle you can develop throughout the year.
Price caps and approval process on key suspension and engine parts
I assume the air restrictors remain although they do not appear to work as intended.

F1 did a lot of this and the racing has become closer, but also artificial. This may eventually work after a few seasons of bedding in like it did in F1. Which by the way is still boring but less than WSBK.

I would really love it if there was no WSBK and SuperStock was the main race. Let the bikes be a true representation of what you can buy off the showroom floor. The cost will be way lower and the racing may become exciting. If the ZX10 is truly the best then so be it, but that is not what it looks like at track days.

Undeniably the more full factory supported teams that enter with big budgets the closer the racing will be. The big problem with SBK over the last 5 even 6 seasons has been the complete lack of factory participation across the grid. That now seems to be changing so with more factory support and the above points you mention hopefully better racing is on the way.....
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on November 15, 2018, 06:57:48 am
Oh and the new Ducati V4 sounds fokken mooi  :drif:

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 08:30:31 am
Oh and the new Ducati V4 sounds fokken mooi  :drif:


Lap times have been slower than the V-Twin??
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Battlestar on November 15, 2018, 09:05:45 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 09:11:02 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2018, 09:16:49 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.

Are they hiding something?  During its launch some riders, Bautista if memory serves, did some impressive lap times.

So Dorna want to make WSBK more competitive by doing the following

Rev limit Ė if you do well your rev limit gets reduced (less power)
Concessions on engine development, if you struggle you can develop throughout the year.
Price caps and approval process on key suspension and engine parts
I assume the air restrictors remain although they do not appear to work as intended.

F1 did a lot of this and the racing has become closer, but also artificial. This may eventually work after a few seasons of bedding in like it did in F1. Which by the way is still boring but less than WSBK.

I would really love it if there was no WSBK and SuperStock was the main race. Let the bikes be a true representation of what you can buy off the showroom floor. The cost will be way lower and the racing may become exciting. If the ZX10 is truly the best then so be it, but that is not what it looks like at track days.

Rev limits and caps on part pricing has been part of it during this past year.  It seems they will become even more strict on that.

I have to agree that Superstock should be the main race.  There is very little of value in watching a million Euro Superbike race another million Euro Superbike, because they are not really superbikes any more.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 09:20:02 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.

Are they hiding something?  During its launch some riders, Bautista if memory serves, did some impressive lap times.
Can be, but they were running Michelin tyres and Dunlops because they can't run the Pirelli race tyre, so who actually knows
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2018, 09:36:48 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.

Are they hiding something?  During its launch some riders, Bautista if memory serves, did some impressive lap times.
Can be, but they were running Michelin tyres and Dunlops because they can't run the Pirelli race tyre, so who actually knows

True.  The tyres do make a huge difference.  Basically, we wait and see.  I really do hope for some tighter competition.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: cocky on November 15, 2018, 09:40:42 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.

Are they hiding something?  During its launch some riders, Bautista if memory serves, did some impressive lap times.
Can be, but they were running Michelin tyres and Dunlops because they can't run the Pirelli race tyre, so who actually knows

True.  The tyres do make a huge difference.  Basically, we wait and see.  I really do hope for some tighter competition.
Bigger field, more manufactures, great riders and then a round at Kyalami, will be awesome.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 15, 2018, 09:44:51 am
Shake down testing. Still alot of work to do
I hear you, but it's been that way for the last two months of private testing, same for the BSB bikes they tested.

Are they hiding something?  During its launch some riders, Bautista if memory serves, did some impressive lap times.
Can be, but they were running Michelin tyres and Dunlops because they can't run the Pirelli race tyre, so who actually knows

True.  The tyres do make a huge difference.  Basically, we wait and see.  I really do hope for some tighter competition.
Bigger field, more manufactures, great riders and then a round at Kyalami, will be awesome.

I see on their schedule for 2019 there is one venue shown as TO BE CONFIRMED.  It is unlikely to be Kyalami, although there are many rumours going around, but one can hope .....
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 27, 2018, 10:01:51 am
WSBK testing at Jerez yesterday and today.  Times from yesterday.

J. Rea on THAT *&*&*^_@# Green Bike.
Bautista on the new V4 Ducati
Davies on the new V4 Ducati
Lowes - Pata Yamaha
Haslam - Kawasaki Racing Team
Melandri - GRT Yamaha
Van der Mark - Pata Yamaha
Cortese - GRT Yamaha

Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: Sonny on November 27, 2018, 12:54:58 pm
WSBK testing at Jerez yesterday and today.  Times from yesterday.

J. Rea on THAT *&*&*^_@# Green Bike.
Bautista on the new V4 Ducati
Davies on the new V4 Ducati
Lowes - Pata Yamaha
Haslam - Kawasaki Racing Team
Melandri - GRT Yamaha
Van der Mark - Pata Yamaha
Cortese - GRT Yamaha

Bautista ahead of his team mate already.....could he be the one to upset the Rea show?
That new V4 Ducati looking sweet.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2018, 11:41:39 am
Day 2 testing from Jerez.

Rea - KRT Kawa
Lowes - Pata Yamaha
Haslam - KRT Kawa
Bautista - Aruba.It Ducati
Davies - Aruba.It Ducati
Vd Mark - Pata Yamie
Melandri - GRT Yamie
Cortese - GRT Yamaha

Will be interesting to see how these times compare with MGP as they will be testing there from Thursday.
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: RobD on November 28, 2018, 02:47:49 pm
As far as I know Rea did a 1:38.713 which is just under Lorenzo's lap record... :sip:
Title: Re: WSBK silly season starts!
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2018, 03:14:55 pm
As far as I know Rea did a 1:38.713 which is just under Lorenzo's lap record... :sip:

Yeah, but there is a large time period between the two times.

Rea's time of 1:38.713 was yesterday.  Right at this moment the fastest MGP time is Dovi at 1:38.555.  They are still on track and times may improve though.