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Title: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 05, 2018, 12:02:41 pm
I have it on good advice that this bike is coming to SA soon. I heard that there were some sample bikes coming so we will be able to see what they look like and the quality of them. As soon as I have more info. I will post. This is the official website -  https://www.ajpmotos.com/en/models/trail-en/pr7-adventure-600-en/ .
The specs as far as I can see are as follows –
Horsepower   60 hp
Torque   58 nm
Gearbox   6 speed
Tank Size    17 litres
Fuel Range average @ 100km/hr   350 km
Bike Wet Weight   165 kg
Seat Height   920 mm
Ground Clearance   320 mm
Wheel Base   1540 mm
Pricing approx.   139,000.-
   
What you get -   
   
Cush Drive   
Acerbis hand guards - proper ones that attach to the ends of the bars   
5mm thick Aluminium Bash Plate   
2 x Halogen Headlights   
Fuel Injection   
Water Cooled DOHC 600cc single cylinder motor   
Hydraulic clutch - very light pull   
Android GPS - big screen   
Upside down 48mm front forks - fully adjustable   
Fully adjustable rear shock   
Galfer Wavy discs all the way round   
Wide Style Footpegs   
Under Seat Fuel Tank   
Front Fuel Filler cap - no need to take luggage off   
Speedo, fuel gauge, trip meter, water temp.   
Doma Exhaust - Italian   
Road Legal with indicators   
Knobby Tyres as standard   
Strong Rear subframe to mount luggage racks - bolt holes supplied   

Here are some pics that I could find of the 2018 graphics –
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on July 05, 2018, 12:07:00 pm
Where do I order one?

 :drif:

Me - I will look at this when/if they arrive!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: edgy on July 05, 2018, 12:31:15 pm
You say 600cc motor but the graphics on the engine casing say 650cc?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Poffmuis on July 05, 2018, 12:35:57 pm
Looks the balls
well if they have half decent service, honda is going to have trouble selling their 450L
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Straatkat on July 05, 2018, 12:39:58 pm
TK and myself were drooling over this bike already for a few years, and even though it has some very cool features, after I discovered the KTM 500 I would not stand in a queue to order one. It is like 40kg heavier! That is not a McDonalds hamburger!
Having said that, it does have some features not found on any other bike in it's class. Not mentioned, the air intake is right on top of the tank, giving it a massive wading depth. Definitely some serious thought went into this bike.
KTM 690/Husky 701 watch out!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 05, 2018, 12:53:51 pm
Fantastic!

The Portuguese are tough buggers! This bike looks the business!.. Obregado!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 05, 2018, 01:32:18 pm
You say 600cc motor but the graphics on the engine casing say 650cc?
I see that but it is definitely a 600cc motor - why the 650cc badge I do not know - maybe something for the future
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 05, 2018, 01:34:15 pm
It's the 610 Husqvarna  / SWM motor they are using. On the Husky it was actually a 570cc, maybe it got bored out on this AJP who knows.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 05, 2018, 01:53:05 pm
info may now be dated, but fullish info here: http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm)


I know the bike was first going to use a 660cc engine: the PROTOTYPE specs were published:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm)

Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Saddle Up on July 05, 2018, 02:36:47 pm
If they do come in at that price including all the extras, well then, I just might own one
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Casting from Turd on July 05, 2018, 02:41:28 pm
Maybe I will hold off on buying a bike for a little while
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 05, 2018, 02:41:46 pm
info may now be dated, but fullish info here: http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm)


I know the bike was first going to use a 660cc engine: the PROTOTYPE specs were published:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm)

Cheers
Chris

The Yamaha motor was not Euro 3 or 4 compliant whatever so they had to drop it in favour of something else and went for the Husky (Italian owners not KTM like now) unit.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 05, 2018, 02:42:37 pm
This will ride so much easier than a 790 ADV or T7 Yamaha but alas HP hungry South Africans wont agree.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 05, 2018, 03:35:43 pm
info may now be dated, but fullish info here: http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP_PR7.htm)


I know the bike was first going to use a 660cc engine: the PROTOTYPE specs were published:
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm (http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/AJP/AJP%20PR7%20660%20Adventure%2015.htm)

Cheers
Chris


Hi Chris. I remember you brought this bike under our attention2 or 3 years ago already!  :thumleft: Hopefully we will see it soon here! A lot of guys would be able to maintain this bike? What do you think?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 05, 2018, 03:44:10 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobC on July 05, 2018, 03:47:41 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
Snap! :thumleft:
They are not big enough to compete with the likes of KTM/Yamaha/Honda in any shape or form.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 05, 2018, 03:48:59 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
I would buy that devalued bike !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobC on July 05, 2018, 03:54:55 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
I would buy that devalued bike !
and when something breaks? :'(
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on July 05, 2018, 03:57:03 pm
It's the 610 Husqvarna  / SWM motor they are using. On the Husky it was actually a 570cc, maybe it got bored out on this AJP who knows.

Its the Husky twin cam 630 motor not the single cam 610 motor, Im not sure but I think it is 600cc.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 05, 2018, 03:59:08 pm
It's the 610 Husqvarna  / SWM motor they are using. On the Husky it was actually a 570cc, maybe it got bored out on this AJP who knows.

Its the Husky twin cam 630 motor not the single cam 610 motor, Im not sure but I think it is 600cc.
You are right, went from 570 to 600cc it seems.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on July 05, 2018, 04:01:10 pm
It's the 610 Husqvarna  / SWM motor they are using. On the Husky it was actually a 570cc, maybe it got bored out on this AJP who knows.

Its the Husky twin cam 630 motor not the single cam 610 motor, Im not sure but I think it is 600cc.
You are right, went from 570 to 600cc it seems.

SWM calls it a 650 also but it is definitely 600cc.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Straatkat on July 05, 2018, 07:14:00 pm
Yip you guys are correct, 600cc motor out of a Husky TE630
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 05, 2018, 07:15:46 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.

Oom two smoke. Why are you saying this? All those big names are actually busy bringing in smaller/lighter bikes. Why will they just hit and run?

I like this Porra scooter hence my questions....Obregado! O0
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 05, 2018, 07:17:16 pm
Yip you guys are correct, 600cc motor out of a Husky TE630

Is this  a good or bad thing Straatkat?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 05, 2018, 07:50:20 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.

Oom two smoke. Why are you saying this? All those big names are actually busy bringing in smaller/lighter bikes. Why will they just hit and run?

I like this Porra scooter hence my questions....Obregado! O0

 :thumleft:  Who is going to bring them in? Who is going to back parts, repairs, warranty, etc?  How long can they secure that engine for this bike?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: mtr89 on July 05, 2018, 08:02:48 pm
What  beautiful machine and with plenty "extras" that come standard.
Sadly,I thin 2-stroke dan is right,it will come in and wont hang around for that long.
Guys are pretty brand loyal and to change to another smaller brand that may not have the back up and service that the bigger brands do,will be a big ask.
Reallly would love to take this bike for a ride and hope I am wrong about its longevity in our small market
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Berty77 on July 07, 2018, 10:38:44 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
I would buy that devalued bike !
and when something breaks? :'(

EBay will always have parts, cheaper than dealers can afford to keep stock.
Title: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on July 08, 2018, 01:21:32 pm
Not a fan of the low slung pipe. I understand it helps improve fuel tank size but that thing is going to take a beatig. Well in my hands anyway because I fall a lot. Still like to take one for a ride but it will take a lot to get me to trade my 690
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 08, 2018, 08:25:42 pm
Not a fan of the low slung pipe. I understand it helps improve fuel tank size but that thing is going to take a beatig. Well in my hands anyway because I fall a lot. Still like to take one for a ride but it will take a lot to get me to trade my 690
Australian reviewer said the pipe is the first thing to snag / scrape in ruts and difficult terrain,  not ideal
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Straatkat on July 08, 2018, 10:43:25 pm
Yip you guys are correct, 600cc motor out of a Husky TE630

Is this  a good or bad thing Straatkat?


The Husky motor is a good choice, lots of low down torque, and good power.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on July 08, 2018, 11:06:05 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: volroom on July 09, 2018, 07:01:24 am
think there are more important parts to worry about, the suspension is SACHS, anybody know more details about whether this is quality? must say.. this seems like the first bike available where people really listened to adv biking community. I for one hope that AJP sells bucket loads, and that other mayor mfg's notice

under seat fuel tank is nice, wonder how it handles. IMO they could have gone old school with the dash, no need for fancy TFT, the bike has FI, but otherwise its old school.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dux on July 09, 2018, 07:22:18 am

 :thumleft:  Who is going to bring them in? Who is going to back parts, repairs, warranty, etc?  How long can they secure that engine for this bike?

Too true , the people on this forum bitch and complain about bad service , waiting for spares etc .... what will it be like when there is no importer around and a small part failure means a cancelled trip , that small part that a larger importer would have had in stock , or when everything has to be imported , suddenly the bike becomes a pain in the ass .
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 09:01:54 am
think there are more important parts to worry about, the suspension is SACHS, anybody know more details about whether this is quality? must say.. this seems like the first bike available where people really listened to adv biking community. I for one hope that AJP sells bucket loads, and that other mayor mfg's notice

under seat fuel tank is nice, wonder how it handles. IMO they could have gone old school with the dash, no need for fancy TFT, the bike has FI, but otherwise its old school.
Nothing wrong with SACHS, been on Italian and German bikes for some time. The rear shock on my 610 was a SACHS unit and it performed great with loads of travel and adjustment.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 09:03:06 am
I believe this will not be a difficult bike to maintain oneself which is what I have done with all my bikes anyway. If you can get parts online at least I don't see a problem.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: volroom on July 09, 2018, 09:25:16 am
think there are more important parts to worry about, the suspension is SACHS, anybody know more details about whether this is quality? must say.. this seems like the first bike available where people really listened to adv biking community. I for one hope that AJP sells bucket loads, and that other mayor mfg's notice

under seat fuel tank is nice, wonder how it handles. IMO they could have gone old school with the dash, no need for fancy TFT, the bike has FI, but otherwise its old school.
Nothing wrong with SACHS, been on Italian and German bikes for some time. The rear shock on my 610 was a SACHS unit and it performed great with loads of travel and adjustment.

I was more referring to the specific SACHS shocks used, as this is a bike on a budget, its difficult to believe they used top notch suspension comonents
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: volroom on July 09, 2018, 09:49:33 am
we should start a poll, if you could choose between this and a brand new KTM 690R,  which would you choose. both  about same price
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 10:01:00 am
think there are more important parts to worry about, the suspension is SACHS, anybody know more details about whether this is quality? must say.. this seems like the first bike available where people really listened to adv biking community. I for one hope that AJP sells bucket loads, and that other mayor mfg's notice

under seat fuel tank is nice, wonder how it handles. IMO they could have gone old school with the dash, no need for fancy TFT, the bike has FI, but otherwise its old school.
Nothing wrong with SACHS, been on Italian and German bikes for some time. The rear shock on my 610 was a SACHS unit and it performed great with loads of travel and adjustment.

I was more referring to the specific SACHS shocks used, as this is a bike on a budget, its difficult to believe they used top notch suspension comonents
REAR SUSPENSION: Sachs with piggyback reservoir – linkage type – 11.8″ of travel – high- and low -speed compression, rebound and preload adjustable
FRONT SUSPENSION: Sachs USD 48mm – 11.8 inches travel – compression and rebound adjustable

Believe me will be more than enough for 99% of us adventure riders / racers ! I currently ride a bike with no adjustment possible and it manages ok.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 09, 2018, 10:05:26 am

 :thumleft:  Who is going to bring them in? Who is going to back parts, repairs, warranty, etc?  How long can they secure that engine for this bike?

Too true , the people on this forum bitch and complain about bad service , waiting for spares etc .... what will it be like when there is no importer around and a small part failure means a cancelled trip , that small part that a larger importer would have had in stock , or when everything has to be imported , suddenly the bike becomes a pain in the ass .

What if a bigger company brings them in, for example Kawasaki/Suzuki/Cayenne, etc?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Welsh on July 09, 2018, 10:09:43 am
think there are more important parts to worry about, the suspension is SACHS, anybody know more details about whether this is quality? must say.. this seems like the first bike available where people really listened to adv biking community. I for one hope that AJP sells bucket loads, and that other mayor mfg's notice

under seat fuel tank is nice, wonder how it handles. IMO they could have gone old school with the dash, no need for fancy TFT, the bike has FI, but otherwise its old school.
Nothing wrong with SACHS, been on Italian and German bikes for some time. The rear shock on my 610 was a SACHS unit and it performed great with loads of travel and adjustment.

I was more referring to the specific SACHS shocks used, as this is a bike on a budget, its difficult to believe they used top notch suspension comonents

Forgive me if I laugh, but any R1150GS rider worried about top quality suspension, makes me smile Chris.  ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dux on July 09, 2018, 10:51:55 am

 :thumleft:  Who is going to bring them in? Who is going to back parts, repairs, warranty, etc?  How long can they secure that engine for this bike?

Too true , the people on this forum bitch and complain about bad service , waiting for spares etc .... what will it be like when there is no importer around and a small part failure means a cancelled trip , that small part that a larger importer would have had in stock , or when everything has to be imported , suddenly the bike becomes a pain in the ass .

What if a bigger company brings them in, for example Kawasaki/Suzuki/Cayenne, etc?

That would be fine , but having said that I am waiting 3 months for a spare part from one of these 3
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: jaybiker on July 09, 2018, 11:08:59 am
A classic 'chicken and egg' or 'catch 22' situation. If a bike sells in large numbers then there is going to be more dealerships and more spare parts carried in stock. But many buyers wont buy, until XYZ becomes as big a brand name name as BMW with plenty of spares support in every town.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Straatkat on July 09, 2018, 01:04:24 pm
Everybody wails on about parts availability, we live in the information age where you can order stuff from abroad and have it here via courier in a few days, so I for one don't believe it to be a deal breaker. I have done just that with my Husky and Aprilia for ages now.... Hell I even bring in stuff from the US for my KTM, granted it is not OE parts.
As for the suspension I believe it will be fine if not better, at least it won't be such an abomination as that air shock on a HP2  :peepwall:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 09, 2018, 04:33:32 pm
I have it on good advice that this bike is coming to SA soon. I heard that there were some sample bikes coming so we will be able to see what they look like and the quality of them. As soon as I have more info. I will post. This is the official website -  https://www.ajpmotos.com/en/models/trail-en/pr7-adventure-600-en/ .
The specs as far as I can see are as follows –
Horsepower   60 hp
Torque   58 nm
Gearbox   6 speed
Tank Size    17 litres
Fuel Range average @ 100km/hr   350 km
Bike Dry Weight   155 kg
Seat Height   920 mm
Ground Clearance   320 mm
Wheel Base   1540 mm
Pricing approx.   139,000.-
   
What you get -   
   
Cush Drive   
Acerbis hand guards - proper ones that attach to the ends of the bars   
5mm thick Aluminium Bash Plate   
2 x Halogen Headlights   
Fuel Injection   
Water Cooled DOHC 600cc single cylinder motor   
Hydraulic clutch - very light pull   
Android GPS - big screen   
Upside down 48mm front forks - fully adjustable   
Fully adjustable rear shock   
Galfer Wavy discs all the way round   
Wide Style Footpegs   
Under Seat Fuel Tank   
Front Fuel Filler cap - no need to take luggage off   
Speedo, fuel gauge, trip meter, water temp.   
Doma Exhaust - Italian   
Road Legal with indicators   
Knobby Tyres as standard   
Strong Rear subframe to mount luggage racks - bolt holes supplied   

Here are some pics that I could find of the 2018 graphics –

Howzit Slasher! What now? When is this bike coming to SA now? You cannot disappear now!.. >:D We want a proper review!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on July 09, 2018, 04:47:18 pm
Has anybody noticed that SWM (the engine supplier) has a very similar bike in their line up called Superdual X which uses the same engine?

https://www.bikesales.com.au/editorial/details/2018-swm-superdual-x-launch-review-111802/



Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 09, 2018, 07:42:06 pm
So is the AJP really on the way to SA or is it just heresay ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 11, 2018, 09:47:47 am
So is the AJP really on the way to SA or is it just heresay ?

Nothing more than heresay unfortunately!..But it was a good little dream..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 11, 2018, 02:06:43 pm
Some AJP PR7's will be here in around two months time. I hear they have all been sold already
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on July 11, 2018, 02:10:34 pm
Nothing more than heresay unfortunately!..But it was a good little dream..
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There are 4 AJP PR 7 coming in in the next 3 months for evaluation and testing,  2 have been sold to Cape Town Clients 
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 11, 2018, 02:37:22 pm
Only hope they have a better airbox design than the stupid things they had on the Husqvarna TE's. And no cush washers being eaten up by the motor, cracking battery tray and early valve train wear. Besides that excellent bikes.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 11, 2018, 03:20:50 pm
Nothing more than heresay unfortunately!..But it was a good little dream..

There are 4 AJP PR 7 coming in in the next 3 months for evaluation and testing,  2 have been sold to Cape Town Clients
[/quote]

Thank you! I'm really glad I was wrong! :thumleft:

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2018, 03:41:25 pm
Everybody wails on about parts availability, we live in the information age where you can order stuff from abroad and have it here via courier in a few days, so I for one don't believe it to be a deal breaker. I have done just that with my Husky and Aprilia for ages now.... Hell I even bring in stuff from the US for my KTM, granted it is not OE parts.
As for the suspension I believe it will be fine if not better, at least it won't be such an abomination as that air shock on a HP2  :peepwall:

Before you can order parts on the internet, someone must actually produce those parts first.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 11, 2018, 07:08:13 pm
Everybody wails on about parts availability, we live in the information age where you can order stuff from abroad and have it here via courier in a few days, so I for one don't believe it to be a deal breaker. I have done just that with my Husky and Aprilia for ages now.... Hell I even bring in stuff from the US for my KTM, granted it is not OE parts.
As for the suspension I believe it will be fine if not better, at least it won't be such an abomination as that air shock on a HP2  :peepwall:

Before you can order parts on the internet, someone must actually produce those parts first.

But they are already buildings bikes! Duh! Where do they get those parts you think? :snorting:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Whethefakawe on July 11, 2018, 09:17:26 pm
Everybody wails on about parts availability, we live in the information age where you can order stuff from abroad and have it here via courier in a few days, so I for one don't believe it to be a deal breaker. I have done just that with my Husky and Aprilia for ages now.... Hell I even bring in stuff from the US for my KTM, granted it is not OE parts.
As for the suspension I believe it will be fine if not better, at least it won't be such an abomination as that air shock on a HP2  :peepwall:

Before you can order parts on the internet, someone must actually produce those parts first.

Indeed.

Good luck trying to find a new OEM one-over piston and rings for a 2009 SWM or Gas Gas on Ebay  :lol8:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2018, 09:22:49 pm
Frans, the fact that som small operation is building bikes does not mean that you will get parts for it in 2 years time.

Check Whethefakawe's post above.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 11, 2018, 09:51:35 pm
Frans, the fact that som small operation is building bikes does not mean that you will get parts for it in 2 years time.

Check Whethefakawe's post above.

True. But you know how it is. Those thing that are just out of reach are the nicest! :lol8:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Saddle Up on July 12, 2018, 03:16:52 pm
Everybody wails on about parts availability, we live in the information age where you can order stuff from abroad and have it here via courier in a few days, so I for one don't believe it to be a deal breaker. I have done just that with my Husky and Aprilia for ages now.... Hell I even bring in stuff from the US for my KTM, granted it is not OE parts.
As for the suspension I believe it will be fine if not better, at least it won't be such an abomination as that air shock on a HP2  :peepwall:

Before you can order parts on the internet, someone must actually produce those parts first.

Indeed.

Good luck trying to find a new OEM one-over piston and rings for a 2009 SWM or Gas Gas on Ebay  :lol8:

Send me a details and specs of what you need and perhaps I can find it local. I recently sourced a piston and rings for my sons Beta 50
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Whethefakawe on July 12, 2018, 06:40:59 pm
Thanks for the kind offer  :thumleft:

But I was merely trying to make the point that the small boutique makers come and go like rain, and you'll have an expensive living room display on your hands in short order when parts become unavailable. It's simply a numbers game. 
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 12, 2018, 07:39:57 pm
Thanks for the kind offer  :thumleft:

But I was merely trying to make the point that the small boutique makers come and go like rain, and you'll have an expensive living room display on your hands in short order when parts become unavailable. It's simply a numbers game.

Their service and back up can't be worse that ktm's!

I think they are on to something here. Why not give them a change!

Most great companies started of with far more odds against them than these guys!

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: edgy on July 13, 2018, 01:58:11 pm
Seems the Merrycans love the bike ....look at Advrider! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 13, 2018, 02:00:31 pm
AJP started in 1987 with the Ariana 125cc bike and have gone from strength to strength which is a good sign for us consumers I think. Another thing that is great about the PR7 is that the tank filler is in the front so that if you are carrying luggage you don't have to unpack everything to full up.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: edgy on July 13, 2018, 02:01:34 pm
 ;)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on July 13, 2018, 02:04:31 pm
...seems a bit RUDE for the Yanks to park a MUDDY bike in a Church, no?  ;)


Chris
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on July 13, 2018, 02:07:08 pm
;)

Pity they did not use the BRP engine
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 13, 2018, 02:13:02 pm
;)

Thanks Edgy! D you have the adv link, I can't find it now! :o

Great looking bike!..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 13, 2018, 02:45:13 pm
Service intervals?..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 13, 2018, 02:57:53 pm
Service intervals?..
first service at 1,000km and thereafter 5,000 km
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 14, 2018, 11:28:17 am
Service intervals?..
first service at 1,000km and thereafter 5,000 km

Thanks! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on July 14, 2018, 11:48:49 am
These guys have done good ongoing R&D on this bike and in many ways it is an uprated and updated Husky 610/630. If they get the pricing right (unlikely with the exchange rate) this is the type of bike many many guys should be looking at instead of the 790 or T7. The Husky 610/630's have been very popular and rated  proper middleweight DS bikes in the USA and Australia. I love my TE610.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 14, 2018, 01:01:28 pm
This bike fills a BIG gap between the 500/501 and the new but heavy 790adv and T7!

If you look back at all the previous discussions and wishlists on the bike forums then this is exactly what most of us have been waiting/hoping for!..I like! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: volroom on July 16, 2018, 09:20:34 am
any idea of when they will be available to public?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on July 16, 2018, 09:33:54 am
Most in SA believe you have to have a multi cylinder DS bike, this is where the PR7 will fall out of the buss if the price is anywhere near a 790 or T7. I would buy it in a flash !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 18, 2018, 10:28:55 am
any idea of when they will be available to public?
I haven't heard yet but I will let the forum know as soon as I hear
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: meteldog on July 18, 2018, 03:54:10 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
+1
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on July 27, 2018, 12:45:34 pm
It will come into SA, sell some models, and depart, leaving owners with a very much de-valued bike.

If there were a market beyond us dreamers for these bikes, Yamaha, Honda, KTM, etc would have had it here already.
+1
Somebody has to be first and AJP are the guys who stuck their necks out.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on July 27, 2018, 12:50:07 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on July 27, 2018, 04:26:36 pm
 found this today ajpmotos.co.za (http://ajpmotos.co.za)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on July 27, 2018, 05:27:12 pm
Not too bad at R142K kitted.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on July 27, 2018, 07:06:12 pm
Guess what I got one already - Italian and in red and white  8)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on July 27, 2018, 08:25:56 pm
Guess what I got one already - Italian and in red and white  8)

Freakin love this bike!

How does it ride?


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on July 27, 2018, 08:27:18 pm
Guess what I got one already - Italian and in red and white  8)

Freakin love this bike!

How does it ride?


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Best kept secret.  >:D
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on July 27, 2018, 08:29:05 pm
Guess what I got one already - Italian and in red and white  8)

Freakin love this bike!

How does it ride?


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Best kept secret.  >:D
I know!

It ticks so many boxes for me. That suspension travel, no substitute. EVER.

Shit it’s giving me fomo - How available are spares and trick parts/accessories ?


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on July 27, 2018, 10:47:19 pm
I follow AJP from few months.
I asked them directly if they will sell the PR7 in South Africa and they told me no. I'm glad to see that they are starting to change their mind. Very nice bike.

They have so much success in Australia that we had impact here in Switzerland.

Australian test;

http://amcn.com.au/editorial/ajp-pr7/ (http://amcn.com.au/editorial/ajp-pr7/)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PPA89kOA9o8/Wk5h73c4S-I/AAAAAAAAvKY/M5V_QD-Za0M_WSx-0lCdzYs9EKuyD1digCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0120.PNG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-65IRj38UHNw/Wk5h7XvTieI/AAAAAAAAvKU/zXedFZHUrOYw5gZr2JPo39NuG-hm86HFQCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0121.PNG)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rs9GjEq_VHs/Wk5h5d8aaMI/AAAAAAAAvKQ/hajiAJUaDb4ebGzjcqvH0oCOY0cXGivOACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0122.PNG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lizFzZgUUyE/Wk5h-MVPfVI/AAAAAAAAvKc/puGZ_oGRdd86XIH6qVAkFAjoGBQeE0D-ACLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0123.PNG)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xNJI46Nt6L4/Wk5h_OSz0aI/AAAAAAAAvKg/bR_F6jWhMZoe4-2gGaVFL9YrtcBs159JwCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0124.PNG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v1vAEyhYNyo/Wk5iB4FjY2I/AAAAAAAAvKk/kF2WXZ9tvAY0J47rjKpi88J_fysd-twegCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0125.PNG)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IH4O3xOy0oo/Wk5iDo5Y3ZI/AAAAAAAAvKo/ziKGoKTWlnE6fq3gw6YkRAiaUVWIFsHHgCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0126.PNG)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nzjhg_YlFus/Wk5iElYcngI/AAAAAAAAvKs/jgV5Zy6KBm8uLts4fSk91OjMzXt7nAW0wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_0127.PNG)

and the flyer (2017)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-yxU2UxrRc1o/Wk8mW8ITzJI/AAAAAAAAvRo/NuH65hJkWmkQedqWG6Sn696CvUfx2MNiQCLcBGAs/s1600/2017%2Bbrochure%2B00.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nvm6cRX6uew/Wk8mWpRS01I/AAAAAAAAvRk/l03zLLqV508_8npBm3bcw4L1coyJK1eLwCLcBGAs/s1600/2017%2Bbrochure%2B01.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-o-6P8mfkjQY/Wk8mWqvydnI/AAAAAAAAvRg/5NeHn9gGV1E4PQhQ-7TOELJFBhFwCqvCgCLcBGAs/s1600/2017%2Bbrochure%2B02.jpg)

I contacted a guy who take the PR7 from Holland to Mongolia. Good results

http://ajppr7.blogspot.com/2018/01/experience-avec-la-pr7-jusquen-mongolie.html (http://ajppr7.blogspot.com/2018/01/experience-avec-la-pr7-jusquen-mongolie.html)


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on July 28, 2018, 09:33:20 am
Guess what I got one already - Italian and in red and white  8)

Freakin love this bike!

How does it ride?


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Best kept secret.  >:D
I know!

It ticks so many boxes for me. That suspension travel, no substitute. EVER.

Shit it’s giving me fomo - How available are spares and trick parts/accessories ?


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Ek stem saam! Hierdie PR 7 is die bike waarvoor baie ouens voor gevra het! Gaan kyk terug na die besprekings/wishlists oor bikes.. Hierdie is die een!

Ek twyfel of naverkope diens n problem gaan wees. Daar moet net n paar shops gekontrakteer word en hulle moet commit.. "Trick" parts moet net bestel word van Portugal, 3-4 dae dan is dit hier!

Hierdie ouens moet net full commitment vir ons wys!! Ek wil een koop..

Edit: Husqvarna het ook maar net n paar diensplekke! En meeste van hulle "trick" parts word van Austria bestel..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 03, 2018, 10:20:18 am
Trick parts should not be needed as it comes with them on from the factory
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Casting from Turd on August 03, 2018, 01:02:00 pm
So when is it getting here and at what price?

Bliksem but they are nice
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: chopperpilot on August 03, 2018, 01:03:33 pm
Trick parts should not be needed as it comes with them on from the factory
Lots of farkles as standard!

I have a 610 TE...and this will be an awesome bike!

Ticks all the boxes IMO. :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 03, 2018, 02:07:43 pm
any idea of when they will be available to public?

I haven't heard yet but I will let the forum know as soon as I hear. Price was approx. R141,995.- but this was dependent on the exchange rate at time of purchase
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: jaybiker on August 03, 2018, 05:13:04 pm
In the realm of fantasy here, but if I could afford it I'd probably buy one. Which is a bit like saying if I could afford Buckingham palace I'd probably buy it.  :snorting:

With all that pipe dream money available though, I'm not sure whether I'd just live with that God-awful ugly 'rally' style front end, which I detest, or modify it to something more straight and simple which is what I like.

Apart from that though It seems that someone's got it right at last. Just wondering about one thing though. I suspect those Aussie testers have to say that It sits comfortably at 110, because that's all they're officially allowed to do. 130 - 140 is perfectly feasible I'm sure, just like all the others in the same class.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Phence on August 03, 2018, 09:46:07 pm
I'd also like to know what the highway speed riding is like. Very cool bike.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 03, 2018, 10:15:21 pm
I'd also like to know what the highway speed riding is like. Very cool bike.

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Google Husqvarna TE630 - will be very close in performance and better at cruising due to the standard screen. Cafe Husky website also good place to look under 610/630
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 03, 2018, 10:21:39 pm
You can also check with this guy. He did a trip to Mongolia with his PR7. I discussed with him, very nice. His bike was send to AJP to analyze how the bike was after the Mongolia's trip.

https://www.facebook.com/Wired4adventure/ (https://www.facebook.com/Wired4adventure/)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 04, 2018, 05:17:57 pm
Who can service the bikes here in SA?..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 04, 2018, 06:31:11 pm
Who can service the bikes here in SA?..

Self  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 04, 2018, 06:52:53 pm
Who can service the bikes here in SA?..

Self  :thumleft:

Yes, oil and filters. But other bigger maintenance issues?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 04, 2018, 06:55:32 pm
Who can service the bikes here in SA?..

Self  :thumleft:

Yes, oil and filters. But other bigger maintenance issues?

I am sure you would be safe with guys who did the previous Husky 610's and 630's - Bikers Warehouse etc. But ja after sales questions are always the issue.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 04, 2018, 07:12:47 pm
Claimed 165kg wet weight, not half bad for a bike with all this kit.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 04, 2018, 10:22:08 pm
Claimed 165kg wet weight, not half bad for a bike with all this kit.
Light, single, 18/21 wheels. All you need, this bike will fill a big gap in the market dominated by the 701/690.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 06, 2018, 02:13:28 pm
Who is the PR7 dealer in South Africa?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 06, 2018, 02:19:35 pm
I'm in contact with Antony Teale.

"I am busy negotiating to get one of the bigger motorcycle companies on board to sell and service the AJP’s as they have branches in Johannesburg and Cape Town . We will definitely get you a bike so not to worry about this. The pricing will be around R141,995.- odd as it depends on the exchange rate at the time of purchase."

dirtbikeafrica.com

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 06, 2018, 04:59:01 pm
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on August 06, 2018, 05:25:10 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: TK on August 06, 2018, 06:07:02 pm
I'm in contact with Antony Teale.

"I am busy negotiating to get one of the bigger motorcycle companies on board to sell and service the AJP’s as they have branches in Johannesburg and Cape Town . We will definitely get you a bike so not to worry about this. The pricing will be around R141,995.- odd as it depends on the exchange rate at the time of purchase."

dirtbikeafrica.com

Considering the price of bikes and then the extras then that's not a bad price
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 06, 2018, 07:57:09 pm
There is one potentially serious problem that everyone seems schtum about - the engine that is being supplied by SWM still has quite a major flaw. Those of us with the TE610/630's know of it and it has not been rectified in these new SWM engines (design and parts remain the same as the previous Husky TE630). Why I do not know?

It is the weak cup washers on the clutch basket that are the problem. They wear prematurely and literally disintegrate into the engine. The solution is relatively easy and quite cheap - you replace them with upgraded hardened washers. It does involve drilling the rivets and replacing them and the washers at the same time but then they are basically good for the life of the bike. This problem is extensively well documented on Husky sites and a few guys have made the replacement washers and sold them (even a guy here in SA). The AJP does have a cush hub so the wear will be reduced a bit but it will certainly still be there (the springs and washers on the clutch basket are a cush system). Guys on Cafe Husky have tried to alert SWM and AJP without success. It does seem a bit crazy to redesign a bike and hand build it but put an engine in it with a known and easily fixed weakness.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 06, 2018, 08:14:57 pm
Maybe they upgraded the washer material or are they still failing in SWM AJP bikes ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 09:53:40 am
There is one potentially serious problem that everyone seems schtum about - the engine that is being supplied by SWM still has quite a major flaw. Those of us with the TE610/630's know of it and it has not been rectified in these new SWM engines (design and parts remain the same as the previous Hueky TE630). Why I do not know?

It is the weak cup washers on the clutch basket that are the problem. They wear prematurely and literally disintegrate. The solution is relatively easy and quite cheap - you replace them with upgraded hardened washers. It does involve drilling the rivets and replacing them and the washers at the same time but then they are basically good for the life of the bike. This problem has been extensively well documented on Husky sites and a few guys have made the replacement washers and sold them (even a guy here in SA). The AJP does have a cush hub so the wear will be reduced a bit but it will certainly still be there (the springs and washers on the clutch basket are a cush system). Guys on Cafe Husky have tried to alert SWM and AJP without success. It does seem a bit crazy to redesign a bike and hand build it but put an engine in it with a known and easily fixed weakness.

Thanks BD! Let's hope AJP fixed this problem!...
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 07, 2018, 11:00:25 am
Maybe they upgraded the washer material or are they still failing in SWM AJP bikes ?

Wishful thinking - still spaghetti from what I gather on Cafe Husky.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 01:23:53 pm
Maybe they upgraded the washer material or are they still failing in SWM AJP bikes ?

Wishful thinking - still spaghetti from what I gather on Cafe Husky.

Luckily its a small issue! Hope they can sort it out!

I really like this scooter! :thumleft:

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2018, 01:26:34 pm
Maybe they upgraded the washer material or are they still failing in SWM AJP bikes ?

Wishful thinking - still spaghetti from what I gather on Cafe Husky.

Luckily its a small issue! Hope they can sort it out!

I really like this scooter! :thumleft:
Yes but still no one wants a new bike that you know you will need to open the engine up and remove the whole clutch basket.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on August 07, 2018, 01:42:06 pm
The bike looks cheap to me... Those indicators, shiny swingarms with the anodized red. Makes me think of a chinese bike / puzey combo.

And the name sounds kak, even worse than Puzey.

That price is a brand new 500 six days with extras and a tank. More power, likely better suspension and a crap load of dealers available. The Tablet=meh, fairing=meh and the cush hub is nice although easy to get.

Not overwhelmed by it, might be different riding it.


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 07, 2018, 02:29:33 pm
These engines are very different to a 500 or a 690/701. Although they were raced as SM's and even in the Dakar at one stage they are not designed race bikes (or derivatives) per se - they have wider ratio boxes, make different power, are not high revving and can chug the technical. You are unlikely to get an instant boner getting on it but it has stamina and prowess  >:D 

Regarding the styling - remember this is Portuguese with Italian influence - passionate bling of a different sort.  8)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 07, 2018, 03:01:45 pm
You need to watch out as there are two models available - one is only 48hp ( the one that goes in to Australia ) and the 60hp one that is coming to sunny South Africa. This is the 48hp model with the upgraded ECU, air-box intake and Doma exhaust that is a performance free flow. You can see the difference easily as the 48hp model has the shorter silencer cannister when compared to the 60hp model which is much longer so not too noisy.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 03:51:03 pm
The bike looks cheap to me... Those indicators, shiny swingarms with the anodized red. Makes me think of a chinese bike / puzey combo.

And the name sounds kak, even worse than Puzey.

That price is a brand new 500 six days with extras and a tank. More power, likely better suspension and a crap load of dealers available. The Tablet=meh, fairing=meh and the cush hub is nice although easy to get.

Not overwhelmed by it, might be different riding it.


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Yes, the 500 is awesome, but you cannot really compare it with the PR7. Compare the 690/701 with the Pr7..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 07, 2018, 03:52:09 pm
You need to watch out as there are two models available - one is only 48hp ( the one that goes in to Australia ) and the 60hp one that is coming to sunny South Africa. This is the 48hp model with the upgraded ECU, air-box intake and Doma exhaust that is a performance free flow. You can see the difference easily as the 48hp model has the shorter silencer cannister when compared to the 60hp model which is much longer so not too noisy.

Are the service intervals the same for the 48hp model?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 07, 2018, 07:45:01 pm
The bike looks cheap to me... Those indicators, shiny swingarms with the anodized red. Makes me think of a chinese bike / puzey combo.

And the name sounds kak, even worse than Puzey.

That price is a brand new 500 six days with extras and a tank. More power, likely better suspension and a crap load of dealers available. The Tablet=meh, fairing=meh and the cush hub is nice although easy to get.

Not overwhelmed by it, might be different riding it.


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Yes, the 500 is awesome, but you cannot really compare it with the PR7. Compare the 690/701 with the Pr7..

I don't think you should be doing that either as I said above. Very different style powerplants and trannys.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 08, 2018, 10:17:39 am
There is one potentially serious problem that everyone seems schtum about - the engine that is being supplied by SWM still has quite a major flaw. Those of us with the TE610/630's know of it and it has not been rectified in these new SWM engines (design and parts remain the same as the previous Husky TE630). Why I do not know?

It is the weak cup washers on the clutch basket that are the problem. They wear prematurely and literally disintegrate into the engine. The solution is relatively easy and quite cheap - you replace them with upgraded hardened washers. It does involve drilling the rivets and replacing them and the washers at the same time but then they are basically good for the life of the bike. This problem is extensively well documented on Husky sites and a few guys have made the replacement washers and sold them (even a guy here in SA). The AJP does have a cush hub so the wear will be reduced a bit but it will certainly still be there (the springs and washers on the clutch basket are a cush system). Guys on Cafe Husky have tried to alert SWM and AJP without success. It does seem a bit crazy to redesign a bike and hand build it but put an engine in it with a known and easily fixed weakness.
This is from the AJP technical engineer yesterday -

There was a concern with the TE630 regarding this subject, although this problem wasn't reported in any motorcycle sold from us or we don't receive any report/concern from SWM regarding this subject.
We've motorcycle across the world with 40-80 thousand miles, and other that we don't have any knowledge, riding without any problem in the clutch basket.
With the best regards,
Telmo Castro
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Ventana on August 08, 2018, 11:03:24 am
Looks stunning imo.  The argument to go smaller rather than bigger makes so much sense on so many levels - particularly in an African context..  One has to understand the design limitations of a bike in this class - you're not going to pack the kitchen sink and strap your pillion on the back - for that the bigger bikes make more sense....but considering the application the AJP is designed for it most certainly finds a niche that is very attractive.....If I had the money I would very seriously consider buying.......
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: bradleys on August 08, 2018, 05:52:10 pm
This  bike looks great  cant wait for it to arrive and try it out.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 08, 2018, 05:55:35 pm
There is one potentially serious problem that everyone seems schtum about - the engine that is being supplied by SWM still has quite a major flaw. Those of us with the TE610/630's know of it and it has not been rectified in these new SWM engines (design and parts remain the same as the previous Husky TE630). Why I do not know?

It is the weak cup washers on the clutch basket that are the problem. They wear prematurely and literally disintegrate into the engine. The solution is relatively easy and quite cheap - you replace them with upgraded hardened washers. It does involve drilling the rivets and replacing them and the washers at the same time but then they are basically good for the life of the bike. This problem is extensively well documented on Husky sites and a few guys have made the replacement washers and sold them (even a guy here in SA). The AJP does have a cush hub so the wear will be reduced a bit but it will certainly still be there (the springs and washers on the clutch basket are a cush system). Guys on Cafe Husky have tried to alert SWM and AJP without success. It does seem a bit crazy to redesign a bike and hand build it but put an engine in it with a known and easily fixed weakness.
This is from the AJP technical engineer yesterday -

There was a concern with the TE630 regarding this subject, although this problem wasn't reported in any motorcycle sold from us or we don't receive any report/concern from SWM regarding this subject.
We've motorcycle across the world with 40-80 thousand miles, and other that we don't have any knowledge, riding without any problem in the clutch basket.
With the best regards,
Telmo Castro

Yes ignorance is bliss. It often surprises me even with the big brands like BMW how little they actually listen to the customer that actually RIDES the bikes. How long did it take BMW to change the stupid air intake snorkel position on the GS? I recall explaining the issue to a German R&D engineer out for the first GS Challenge. He was so shell shocked as it was by what we were doing with the bikes maybe he did not understand. Anyway lets see - who actually knows maybe they have uprated them but personally I doubt it. He does acknowledge though there was a problem with the TE610/630 - they are though buying in the motors not making them. 
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 09, 2018, 10:37:50 am
Big Dom, maybe we must give these guys a chance! I think they are on to something here!

What else is available? The overweight(by 50kg) TenereT7 or the fat ass(by 50kg) 790Adv?...no thank you!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: billy-joe on August 09, 2018, 09:37:57 pm
i know the capacity is a lot less but what will the 390 Adventure cost/weigh?  this thing seems to tick nearly all the boxes!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 10, 2018, 08:54:29 am
i know the capacity is a lot less but what will the 390 Adventure cost/weigh?  this thing seems to tick nearly all the boxes!
We don't even know what it will look like yet ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 10, 2018, 09:17:19 am
i know the capacity is a lot less but what will the 390 Adventure cost/weigh?  this thing seems to tick nearly all the boxes!
We don't even know what it will look like yet ?

Yes, not much talk about the 390 Adventure. The 390 Duke weighs 140kg dry, about the same as the PR7.

Looking forward to see the 390 Adv here! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 12, 2018, 09:54:41 pm
Big Dom, maybe we must give these guys a chance! I think they are on to something here!

What else is available? The overweight(by 50kg) TenereT7 or the fat ass(by 50kg) 790Adv?...no thank you!

I am certainly happy to give it a chance.  :thumleft:  Just been on a 4 day trip with my Husky TE610E to the Thumper Bash - camping kit, all types of terrain and weather and she did not miss a beat. Some of the best riding I have had for a long time - this size, weight and type of bike is just awesome.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 15, 2018, 09:12:30 am
Big Dom, maybe we must give these guys a chance! I think they are on to something here!

What else is available? The overweight(by 50kg) TenereT7 or the fat ass(by 50kg) 790Adv?...no thank you!

I am certainly happy to give it a chance.  :thumleft:  Just been on a 4 day trip with my Husky TE610E to the Thumper Bash - camping kit, all types of terrain and weather and she did not miss a beat. Some of the best riding I have had for a long time - this size, weight and type of bike is just awesome.

Agree! Perfect setup for a trip around the block OR round the world! O0
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 17, 2018, 10:22:27 am
Here are the bikes that are coming to sunny South Africa - all packed and ready to move. Just waiting on the clearance papers.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: billy-joe on August 17, 2018, 10:38:26 am
would love to take one for an extended test ride!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: desertfox on August 17, 2018, 10:59:01 am
 :snorting:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: WildWood on August 17, 2018, 02:56:52 pm
Have the perfect test terrain for those 4 new bikes. Hnt hint hint  ;)

https://youtu.be/VC5s8HJFvmw
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 17, 2018, 06:23:57 pm
Here are the bikes that are coming to sunny South Africa - all packed and ready to move. Just waiting on the clearance papers.

Fantastic! I hope they find and grow a market here.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 17, 2018, 09:48:21 pm
Excited to see these in the flesh
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on August 18, 2018, 07:14:02 am
I hope this bike is as successful  as it deserves to be - the prototype had the fuel filler cap behind the seat (as in 690 / 701) and they moved it to the front on the production model - much better.
The big manufacturers ignore these flaws in design which I find shortsighted at best and arrogant at worst.
Personally if this bike lives up to expectations I would be in the market for one- off the shelf ready to go - is this not what we ask for all the time ?
The big challenge for AJP is to establish a national dealer support  base.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 18, 2018, 09:26:26 am
Just thinking aloud - how different is this to an X-Challenge with the Touratech rally kit?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on August 18, 2018, 09:30:56 am
Call the weight the same but the x will have 9 liters more fuel.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on August 18, 2018, 09:33:44 am
Also the x challenge makes 53 hp vs 60 on the AJP.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 18, 2018, 10:09:25 am
Also the x challenge makes 53 hp vs 60 on the AJP.

I wonder if the 60hp Is this with the power-up kit?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 18, 2018, 01:25:54 pm
Also the x challenge makes 53 hp vs 60 on the AJP.

I wonder if the 60hp Is this with the power-up kit?

I believe so, 48 without..

I wonder if the service schedule is the same on both models?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on August 18, 2018, 01:26:47 pm
Also the x challenge makes 53 hp vs 60 on the AJP.

I wonder if the 60hp Is this with the power-up kit?

Yes standard bike 48 HP according to website 60 HP with power up kit.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 18, 2018, 02:21:29 pm
Have the perfect test terrain for those 4 new bikes. Hnt hint hint  ;)

https://youtu.be/VC5s8HJFvmw

Yes perfect! :thumleft:

What do you think of the PR7 Jon?..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on August 19, 2018, 05:49:15 pm
Hopefully one of those has my name on it

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 1ougat on August 19, 2018, 05:53:10 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 20, 2018, 01:01:56 pm
Service intervals are the same on both models, 1,000km first service and thereafter 5,000km between. South Africa will get only the 60HP roadworthy model but if somebody wants the 48HP model it is easy enough to get.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 20, 2018, 06:16:56 pm
Are these bikes going to dealers or bought by individuals ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 20, 2018, 06:23:27 pm
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 20, 2018, 06:54:03 pm
I'm no tech funding but it looks like a good quality build? :thumleft:

Question: It looks like 2 separate radiators each with their own fan, I suppose that they work together. But can they work separate? If one got damage for example..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2018, 06:54:25 pm


After watching this video I really like this bike. Seems to have a lot of thought gone into it's lay-out, and that frame is quite something.

17 liters of fuel is also quite useable.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 20, 2018, 07:20:04 pm
Agree, impressive and practical design.

Background music fooking irritating  >:D
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on August 20, 2018, 07:32:15 pm
What an awesome vid, you really get to see the thought that went into it, and how cool is that airfilter!

Heck this thing is growing on me...

What’s the power2weight? What does it weigh?

Just to get an idea how strong it will feel...


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 20, 2018, 07:35:12 pm
165 kg wet claimed / 60cv with the kit
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 20, 2018, 07:41:00 pm
165 kg wet claimed / 60cv with the kit

Very impressive.

Have to wait for pricing.......... :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 20, 2018, 07:41:55 pm
Dry 155kg excluding fuel so about 173kg


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobLH on August 20, 2018, 07:44:10 pm
165 kg wet claimed / 60cv with the kit

Very impressive.

Have to wait for pricing.......... :ricky:

R142k before the rand dipped, could be 10k more now.
Title: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on August 20, 2018, 07:50:12 pm
SE is 0.5

AJP is 0.38

Both on Dry Weight


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on August 20, 2018, 07:50:36 pm
Dry 155kg excluding fuel so about 173kg

So about 0.15 power to weight

Perhaps they use the 93/93/CEE standard in Europe to calculate the weight.

90% of the full tank. 17l * 0.9 = 15.31l (1.351l = 1kg) then 11.3 kg + 155kg = 166kg approximatively
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on August 20, 2018, 08:17:20 pm
Hopefully one day the Japanese will have the sense to build something like this. I really hope AJP sells these by the thousands, they deserve it.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Saddle Up on August 21, 2018, 07:39:04 am
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 08:31:11 am
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.

True - the grease should be 'smacked in' using palm of hand till overflowing.  :thumleft:  Also the reason why some take a new bike virtually to pieces on delivery and regrease and tighten everything.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2018, 10:41:28 am
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.

My Yamaha XT600's head bearings show zero signs of wear, at 100 000kms, and I am sure they were greased like that..

It's the quality of bearing that make them last or fail prematurely.  That is enough grease, and two turns of the handlebars has the entire roller surface coated.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 21, 2018, 10:43:43 am
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.

My Yamaha XT600's head bearings show zero signs of wear, at 100 000kms, and I am sure they were greased like that..

It's the quality of bearing that make them last or fail prematurely.  That is enough grease, and two turns of the handlebars has the entire roller surface coated.

Isnt grease suppose to be black!? :patch:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bwana on August 21, 2018, 10:52:09 am
Grease comes in various colours marine grease is normally blue. What you probably didnt see in the video is the assembler pack the bearing before fitting it..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 21, 2018, 10:54:04 am
Grease comes in various colours marine grease is normally blue. What you probably didnt see in the video is the assembler pack the bearing before fitting it..

Oh , I see, thanks!

Interesting video, I like! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 21, 2018, 10:55:33 am


This video. Worth watching!..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:12:20 am
Grease comes in various colours marine grease is normally blue. What you probably didnt see in the video is the assembler pack the bearing before fitting it..

Well you wish as much  ::)

White grease normally lithium based - very good for loaded bearings.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:14:00 am


This video. Worth watching!..

We been doing it, mate.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:18:48 am
Horror!! Check how the steering head bearing gets greased. No wonder that almost every manufacturer head bearings kak prematurely.

My Yamaha XT600's head bearings show zero signs of wear, at 100 000kms, and I am sure they were greased like that..

It's the quality of bearing that make them last or fail prematurely.  That is enough grease, and two turns of the handlebars has the entire roller surface coated.

Steering head bearing can never have too much grease imho - just a surface coating not enough in my book  ???  But yes quality is vital as is adjustment and avoiding power washing that area (water ingress). Most have a dust seal that helps - I also fitted an o-ring at the bottom last time I did my Husky.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on August 21, 2018, 11:22:07 am
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:30:28 am
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.

I also wondered a bit about the linkage having completely rebuilt mine on the Husky and was appalled at the condition at less than 15000km. I must say I packed and slathered mine - cannot remem,ber on the AJP if there are grease nipples?
I did see a torque wrench on the fork triple clamps and am presuming the air wrench was also torque set. I saw Nylock nuts - bolts may have loctite pre-applied. Yes a UNI type foam filter and sock would be nice but at least the airbox and intake is well placed.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: jaybiker on August 21, 2018, 11:39:13 am
I've been on bearing manufacturers courses where it was explained very plausibly why it is unnecessary, and sometimes detrimental to 'cram' bearings with too much grease.

I'd also like to have it explained plausibly though why a bike needs two radiators and two fans?

Seems to me, that's only needed on two bikes.  ???
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:46:08 am
I've been on bearing manufacturers courses where it was explained very plausibly why it is unnecessary, and sometimes detrimental to 'cram' bearings with too much grease.

I'd also like to have it explained plausibly though why a bike needs two radiators and two fans?

Seems to me, that's only needed on two bikes.  ???

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.

Two radiators as I understand are really just for ease of fitting and servicing - also cheaper to replace one half than two (enduro bikes a good example). Two fans mean both can get extra air across them, and yes if one goes the other works. That said KTM enduro bikes generally have only one fan but two radiators.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Hennie on August 21, 2018, 11:48:54 am
In 2010 I paid R75K for my brand new Husky TE610i, it was a fair price.

In 2018 basically the same thing will cost R140K+. Is it still a fair price, taking inflation into account? Should be R120K rather.

Thing is, if I have R140k in my pocket, do I buy this bike (very little dealer support), or do I rather go for 690/701?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 21, 2018, 11:56:49 am
In 2010 I paid R75K for my brand new Husky TE610i, it was a fair price.

In 2018 basically the same thing will cost R140K+. Is it still a fair price, taking inflation into account? Should be R120K rather.

Thing is, if I have R140k in my pocket, do I buy this bike (very little dealer support), or do I rather go for 690/701?

Sound observation and question.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on August 21, 2018, 12:14:36 pm
This is the problem I'm having now. I would like a 17/18 701 with pipe and under seat tank used, not likely to find one easily or I can get the AJP with tank and pipe for same price as a new 701 without extras. What to do???

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 21, 2018, 12:15:09 pm
Not too impressed, no grease on the linkage, no loctite anywhere, no torque wrench, vicegrip on the chain WTF.

At lease the air filter is in the right place, although I would have preferred a foam filter.

I also wondered a bit about the linkage having completely rebuilt mine on the Husky and was appalled at the condition at less than 15000km. I must say I packed and slathered mine - cannot remem,ber on the AJP if there are grease nipples?
I did see a torque wrench on the fork triple clamps and am presuming the air wrench was also torque set. I saw Nylock nuts - bolts may have loctite pre-applied. Yes a UNI type foam filter and sock would be nice but at least the airbox and intake is well placed.

I think its the fast forward version of the built/video!..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Buff on August 21, 2018, 12:18:16 pm

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.


I'm just thinking out loud now... most good bearings are prepacked but we add more, just in case or to seat the bearing and seal. Once the bearing has mated with the surface and coated the bearings where does the extra grease go? No where, it just oozes out the side and lies there collects dust after that which is also not ideal.
On a linkages, I've heard that if you add extra grease between your dust cover and the dust seal, if can actually cause an hydraulic type lock on your linkage when torquing it up. I'm not sure how true this is but after doing mine recently I can believe it possible.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 21, 2018, 12:27:04 pm
This is the problem I'm having now. I would like a 17/18 701 with pipe and under seat tank used, not likely to find one easily or I can get the AJP with tank and pipe for same price as a new 701 without extras. What to do???

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 :lol8: I'm basically in the same boat! I like this thing!

If you look back at the bike discussions/wishlists then this is exactly what many have been waiting/hoping/wishing for!..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Crossed-up on August 21, 2018, 05:00:35 pm
Dealer support is grossly overrated. Some dealerships are actively avoided post purchase.

I'd have no hesitation in buying one of these. Almost every part except the frame and plastics is common to a number of other bikes anyway.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 21, 2018, 05:04:19 pm
Dealer support is grossly overrated. Some dealerships are actively avoided post purchase.

I'd have no hesitation in buying one of these. Almost every part except the frame and plastics is common to a number of other bikes anyway.

Even ordering parts on-line nowadays is so easy, I would just stock an extra pair of service items.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on August 21, 2018, 05:08:43 pm
I'm not worried about dealer network, as said they are full on BS anyway. AJP will supply any warranty parts and I can maintain and repair the bike myself.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on August 22, 2018, 09:23:55 am

Please share the very plausible detrimental effect too much grease may have.


I'm just thinking out loud now... most good bearings are prepacked but we add more, just in case or to seat the bearing and seal. Once the bearing has mated with the surface and coated the bearings where does the extra grease go? No where, it just oozes out the side and lies there collects dust after that which is also not ideal.
On a linkages, I've heard that if you add extra grease between your dust cover and the dust seal, if can actually cause an hydraulic type lock on your linkage when torquing it up. I'm not sure how true this is but after doing mine recently I can believe it possible.

The amount of grease is a fine line, too little is bad too much equally as bad.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Cracker on August 22, 2018, 09:34:36 am
Grease is used as waterproofing on off-road bikes, not only a lubricant.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 22, 2018, 12:27:33 pm
Am looking at manufacturing soft luggage racks, center stands & foam air cleaners here in SA. I will start this when the first bikes arrive. Australia did a foam air cleaner element, a sample of which is coming with the first bikes
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on August 22, 2018, 12:32:25 pm
Am looking at manufacturing soft luggage racks, center stands & foam air cleaners here in SA. I will start this when the first bikes arrive. Australia did a foam air cleaner element, a sample of which is coming with the first bikes

Uni should just make one, klaar.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 22, 2018, 12:41:55 pm
Am looking at manufacturing soft luggage racks, center stands & foam air cleaners here in SA. I will start this when the first bikes arrive. Australia did a foam air cleaner element, a sample of which is coming with the first bikes

Cool! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 22, 2018, 12:51:08 pm
Hi Slasher - we do a bit of business together - just so you know, I have had centre-stands built for us locally, so could help IF you stuck...


then THIS option is a good option for bikes WITHOUT center-stands, costs less/weighs less, and Uber-practical!
https://www.facebook.com/wildwoodtours/videos/1691973080913845/ (https://www.facebook.com/wildwoodtours/videos/1691973080913845/)


Cheers!
Chris & Team
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 22, 2018, 12:52:27 pm
Am looking at manufacturing soft luggage racks, center stands & foam air cleaners here in SA. I will start this when the first bikes arrive. Australia did a foam air cleaner element, a sample of which is coming with the first bikes

Uni should just make one, klaar.

+1 :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on August 22, 2018, 12:53:42 pm
I would be very keen to give this bike a proper hiding when they arrive!

If you’ll have a demo available, which I assume you would...


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 22, 2018, 01:00:44 pm
I would be very keen to give this bike a proper hiding when they arrive!

If you’ll have a demo available, which I assume you would...


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.."proper hiding"..? Werner onthou met geweld kan jy jou vinger in jou poephol ook afbreek! :lol8:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on August 22, 2018, 01:12:44 pm
I would be very keen to give this bike a proper hiding when they arrive!

If you’ll have a demo available, which I assume you would...


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.."proper hiding"..? Werner onthou met geweld kan jy jou vinger in jou poephol ook afbreek! :lol8:

Hmmm, as ek wou toets hoe sterk my vinger of poephol is, jip ;) lol


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 22, 2018, 01:40:56 pm
Question: Can I buy a PR7 through the South African agent, then fly to Portugal, do the first 1000km and service there, then ride it back to Sunny SA? But it must have a South African numberplate!..

PS, I forgot the smiley.. :headbang:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on August 22, 2018, 02:23:14 pm
Question: Can I buy a PR7 through the South African agent, then fly to Portugal, do the first 1000km and service there, then ride it back to Sunny SA? But it must have a South African numberplate!..

PS, I forgot the smiley.. :headbang:
Yes I think this is possible to organise,  send me a PM

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 22, 2018, 03:59:26 pm
Question: Can I buy a PR7 through the South African agent, then fly to Portugal, do the first 1000km and service there, then ride it back to Sunny SA? But it must have a South African numberplate!..

PS, I forgot the smiley.. :headbang:
Yes I think this is possible to organise,  send me a PM

Thank you! Pm send . I'm only working on some plans at this stage. Maybe a good idea is to include some interesting tracks on my way down! Such as Doodsakker and one or two North East Nam tracks..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 29, 2018, 11:35:12 am
Here it is @dirt rat ..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: wobbler on August 30, 2018, 02:01:24 am
This looks very promising.
Is 17L fuel range enough though? Seems to be 200 odd km range. I'd have preferred a bit more.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on August 30, 2018, 06:29:05 am
Wish this was available 18 months ago- have by now spent considerable time and money on my x challenge and I must say a well sorted x is a fantastic ride.
Notwithstanding above if I was buying now I would really consider the Pr7.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 30, 2018, 07:23:18 am
This looks very promising.
Is 17L fuel range enough though? Seems to be 200 odd km range. I'd have preferred a bit more.

On the 690/701's I have regularly gotten well over 200kms on the standard 12/13 litre tanks.

4 extra litres will add another at least 80kms to your range, which is good for 99% of riding.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 30, 2018, 08:18:59 am


Quote from: wobbler on Today at 02:01:24 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=226311.msg4119347#msg4119347)>This looks very promising.
Is 17L fuel range enough though? Seems to be 200 odd km range. I'd have preferred a bit more.

I feel pretty sure you would get 300km range out of a 17L tank, given the size of the motor, in 'regular' riding conditions, I would be very surprised if you only got 200km's, unless you were riding maybe thick sand / cut lines or similar, 300km could be realistic.
Chris


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: wobbler on August 30, 2018, 12:55:31 pm
Anything over 250km range will be a bonus, so the possibility of seeing 300 is great!
It must be my long standing 990 fuel conversion rate that threw me off!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on August 30, 2018, 03:59:58 pm
Anything over 250km range will be a bonus, so the possibility of seeing 300 is great!
It must be my long standing 990 fuel conversion rate that threw me off!

 :imaposer:

remember this is only a 60 Hp bike and not a 100+ HP bike, it wont drink fuel like our bikes. >:D
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 30, 2018, 07:04:11 pm
Anything over 250km range will be a bonus, so the possibility of seeing 300 is great!
It must be my long standing 990 fuel conversion rate that threw me off!

 :imaposer:

remember this is only a 60 Hp bike and not a 100+ HP bike, it wont drink fuel like our bikes. >:D

A Yamaha R1 is a almost 200hp bike, and more economical than the KTM twins. :pot:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on August 31, 2018, 09:40:39 am
Anything over 250km range will be a bonus, so the possibility of seeing 300 is great!
It must be my long standing 990 fuel conversion rate that threw me off!

 :imaposer:

remember this is only a 60 Hp bike and not a 100+ HP bike, it wont drink fuel like our bikes. >:D

A Yamaha R1 is a almost 200hp bike, and more economical than the KTM twins. :pot:

Not so sure about that, mine was f..ing heavy on fuel
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: volroom on August 31, 2018, 09:47:17 am
which engine is this based on?

fuelly can give some insight http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/husqvarna

ultimately, as we all know, the biggest factor is the way you ride. I can easily imagine you getting 300km, or very close to it unless you nail it all the time
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on August 31, 2018, 09:50:57 am
Anything over 250km range will be a bonus, so the possibility of seeing 300 is great!
It must be my long standing 990 fuel conversion rate that threw me off!

±300km for a standard arrangement is not bad I think! It will be easy to carry extra fuel in the front..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 11, 2018, 03:19:41 pm
We have just had the ETA of the ship with the 4 x bikes on, they arrive in Cape Town on the 20th October, so next week. Can't wait !!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobC on October 11, 2018, 03:33:26 pm
Just 4? :sip:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on October 11, 2018, 04:48:39 pm
I hear there will be a possible demo ride to Oasis to show off the new bikes, will look forward to that.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Crossed-up on October 11, 2018, 06:44:13 pm
Will we be able to see them somewhere?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 13, 2018, 09:43:53 am
Will post the dates that the bikes will be at Oasis as soon as I hear when
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Berty77 on October 22, 2018, 07:03:13 pm
Eta?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 23, 2018, 02:28:23 pm
The bikes are in the country but have been stopped by customs to check VIN & engine numbers. We hope to collect them tomorrow or Thursday but they still need Interpol clearance which takes 14 days. Hold thumbs, we are getting closer !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Berty77 on October 23, 2018, 03:51:11 pm
Are they all sold? If not.....
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 24, 2018, 10:05:07 am
Yes this first batch has all been sold I believe. If you are interested in the next delivery get hold of info@dirtbikeafrica.com and they will help you I'm sure.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on October 27, 2018, 07:06:34 am
I got a sneak peak yesterday
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: benreaper on October 27, 2018, 07:40:53 am
I got a sneak peak yesterday
Location? I can come round with a bakkie and trailer tonight.....
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on October 27, 2018, 07:48:59 am
I got a sneak peak yesterday
Location? I can come round with a bakkie and trailer tonight.....

Secret location guarded by rabid dogs  :biggrin:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 27, 2018, 05:27:49 pm
Will post pics as soon as the bike is assembled - soon now
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Splash on October 27, 2018, 08:31:52 pm
They have a demo day tomorrow in Belgium. Looks interesting.
https://www.facebook.com/AJPMotosBelgiqueLuxembourg/photos/a.656489937750561/1969576839775191/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/AJPMotosBelgiqueLuxembourg/photos/a.656489937750561/1969576839775191/?type=3&theater)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on October 27, 2018, 08:48:48 pm
 8)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 27, 2018, 09:46:50 pm
Quite attractive.

I hear they have a tendency to stop at every corner cafe? :peepwall: :pot:

And they do not miss a fish and chips shop either. :pot: :pot: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: benreaper on October 27, 2018, 09:49:24 pm
Quite attractive.

I hear they have a tendency to stop at every corner cafe? :peepwall: :pot:

And they do not miss a fish and chips shop either. :pot: :pot: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on October 28, 2018, 04:37:03 pm
I'm almost regretting not waiting for one. Saw them today and they are going to be great.
Sorry I can't send pics but there bikes tick all the boxes and look great as well

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 29, 2018, 12:21:06 pm
Finally an AJP PR7 in the South African dirt !!!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on October 29, 2018, 12:25:08 pm
Nice  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on October 29, 2018, 01:22:41 pm
Finally an AJP PR7 in the South African dirt !!!

Yeah man!! O0

Tell us more please!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on October 29, 2018, 02:58:03 pm
Please get her dirty, I mean proper dirty ...  :o
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on October 29, 2018, 03:16:39 pm
It's a bit dry here at the moment to get it ' real dirty ' but we can guarantee ' dusty '
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: MiniDan on October 30, 2018, 07:44:48 pm
And????

Hello...


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: TK on October 31, 2018, 07:45:19 am
Hey Slasher.............you're keeping us hanging!!!! :o
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on October 31, 2018, 09:52:25 am
And????

Hello...


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I think @Slasher is having fun with us now! :xxbah:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on October 31, 2018, 12:36:39 pm
secret location indeed, when they are at 'base' but seems they do the odd road-trip too!


bikes look very sorted indeed! They are factory-supplied with proper bash plate, practical foot-pegs, and and, so us accessory suppliers may need to see WHAT ELSE they need ;)  And a CLEVER a-d-j-u-s-t-a-b-le footbrake lever, simple, but effective!


But bikes look very sorted, 17L of fuel is excellent, stored below the seat, and I heard for the 1st time that the tablet-screen stores all the spare part codes for the bike on it - clever!


(even KTM came and had a look!)


Good luck, guys, it really is an interesting bike, with a 'gap' for it to slot into (I think, anyway!)
Chris
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on October 31, 2018, 01:17:46 pm
Special running on red anodizing  at Flying Brick  :ricky: :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on October 31, 2018, 01:31:11 pm
This should have been the bike that the other manufacturers should have built as well
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Buff on October 31, 2018, 01:37:33 pm
Flush mounted LED flickers would be my first change, it looks like it comes standard with those crappy flickers they fit to a 690 that break when they see dust  :o ;D

Other than that, this looks like a very well thought out bike  :thumleft: Beta runs the SACS forks and shock as well (also Italian) and they need valving work for high speed stuff because they deflect quite badly but these might be valved differently due to the weight of the bike. Keen to see them in the flesh  :drif:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on October 31, 2018, 01:43:42 pm
Flush mounted LED flickers would be my first change, it looks like it comes standard with those crappy flickers they fit to a 690 that break when they see dust :o ;D

Other than that, this looks like a very well thought out bike  :thumleft: Beta runs the SACS forks and shock as well (also Italian) and they need valving work for high speed stuff because they deflect quite badly but these might be valved differently due to the weight of the bike. Keen to see them in the flesh  :drif:
KTM should be shot for using those crappy things
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on October 31, 2018, 02:21:56 pm


Quote from: BiG DoM on Today at 01:17:46 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=226311.msg4155883#msg4155883)>Special running on red anodizing  at Flying Brick  :ricky: :imaposer:
...any colour as long as it's
RED!
;)


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: katana on October 31, 2018, 05:12:04 pm
I saw this in the flesh at Flying Brick today.  Just plain fucken awesome.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Altie7deLaan on October 31, 2018, 08:19:00 pm
Be awesome to get some owner feedback in due time.
 Of course the real detail is in how it looks and behaves after a couple of years and many kms.
If it can withstand a South Africans abuse, and the pricing remains this competitive.....definitely a prospect..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on October 31, 2018, 08:31:27 pm
Certainly has a following and made some waves in the USA market - AdvRider has lots of fans.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Kaboef on October 31, 2018, 08:42:03 pm
It looks awesome.

Really really awesome.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: MiniDan on October 31, 2018, 09:01:46 pm
Price?


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on October 31, 2018, 10:14:24 pm
I like A LOT!!!!!.

Noticed the following.
1.  NO ABS.  Would like to know how that is accepted in the modern 'rule by greenie' world.

2. Minute fuel filter.  At least is is sitting outside for easy replacement.

I laaik even more.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 01, 2018, 07:05:56 am
Where do we buy !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 01, 2018, 09:00:23 am
Reviewed on Adventure Bike TV

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 01, 2018, 09:22:31 am
Some detail about the tablet


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 01, 2018, 09:36:45 am
Nice - will be interesting how it performs long term. I also wonder about the touch screen as they are not great in dusty conditions and why the enduro guys avoid them. But maybe behind a screen will be OK.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 01, 2018, 09:58:09 am
Reviewed on Adventure Bike TV



Nice! Dwerg, if you look back at the bike discussions/wishlists, etc then this is exactly what many have been waiting for! I like! :thumleft:

How's your foot now?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 01, 2018, 10:16:16 am


Quote from: BiG DoM on Today at 09:36:45 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=226311.msg4156492#msg4156492)>Nice - will be interesting how it performs long term. I also wonder about the touch screen as they are not great in dusty conditions and why the enduro guys avoid them. But maybe behind a screen will be OK.
we currently have/stock the peel off's for those screens, from Wunderlich, similar concept to a cellphone screen protector.
they have anti-glare properties, blah,blah, etc.
(example shown is for BMW, but they are available for most all TFT screens, such as KTM, etc. Oh Boy, Oom Danie is going to have a GOOD chuckle at this accessory  >:D )
Cheers, Chris & Team


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 01, 2018, 10:18:11 am
How's your foot now?

Very nearly healed. Maybe 2 more weeks in a moon boot  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 01, 2018, 10:20:41 am
How's your foot now?

Very nearly healed. Maybe 2 more weeks in a moon boot  :thumleft:

Cool! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 01, 2018, 10:35:15 am


Quote from: BiG DoM on Today at 09:36:45 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=226311.msg4156492#msg4156492)>Nice - will be interesting how it performs long term. I also wonder about the touch screen as they are not great in dusty conditions and why the enduro guys avoid them. But maybe behind a screen will be OK.
we currently have/stock the peel off's for those screens, from Wunderlich, similar concept to a cellphone screen protector.
they have anti-glare properties, blah,blah, etc.
(example shown is for BMW, but they are available for most all TFT screens, such as KTM, etc. Oh Boy, Oom Danie is going to have a GOOD chuckle at this accessory  >:D )
Cheers, Chris & Team


Not sure it will make any difference to dust collecting and interfering with the touch effect. But yes, my son Josh has used those on his Etrex's for enduro, especially to minimise glare. 

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RyanI on November 01, 2018, 10:47:47 am
Some detail about the tablet



Very interesting that they have put a tablet in there! I would not be surprised if more do it in the future.

That said, is there a seperate odometer? Surely that kind of information has to be more securly measured and stored?

Also watching that video made me prthink of the possible future of Dakar Rally type navigation? Imagine in a couple of years being issued with a tablet for your bike instead of the rally roadbook. No need for printing on paper and the roadbook could be downloaded to the table every day when you arrive in the bivouac or it could even be stored on the device from the beginning of the rally and only unlocks at a certain time. You could programme your own tablet to mark (highlight) the roadboook the way you like every night. Changes could be made electronically if there was a problem like a flooded river. Biggest problem/risk would be reliability I think.

 
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 01, 2018, 10:53:32 am
Some detail about the tablet



Very interesting that they have put a tablet in there! I would not be surprised if more do it in the future.

That said, is there a seperate odometer? Surely that kind of information has to be more securly measured and stored?

Also watching that video made me prthink of the possible future of Dakar Rally type navigation? Imagine in a couple of years being issued with a tablet for your bike instead of the rally roadbook. No need for printing on paper and the roadbook could be downloaded to the table every day when you arrive in the bivouac or it could even be stored on the device from the beginning of the rally and only unlocks at a certain time. You could programme your own tablet to mark (highlight) the roadboook the way you like every night. Changes could be made electronically if there was a problem like a flooded river. Biggest problem/risk would be reliability I think.

It has a separate speedo as well yes

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160401/ba0d288e0487572397f308667f460023.jpg)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 01, 2018, 10:54:12 am
Some detail about the tablet



Very interesting that they have put a tablet in there! I would not be surprised if more do it in the future.

That said, is there a seperate odometer? Surely that kind of information has to be more securly measured and stored?

Also watching that video made me prthink of the possible future of Dakar Rally type navigation? Imagine in a couple of years being issued with a tablet for your bike instead of the rally roadbook. No need for printing on paper and the roadbook could be downloaded to the table every day when you arrive in the bivouac or it could even be stored on the device from the beginning of the rally and only unlocks at a certain time. You could programme your own tablet to mark (highlight) the roadboook the way you like every night. Changes could be made electronically if there was a problem like a flooded river. Biggest problem/risk would be reliability I think.

Yes, separate odometer, fuel, temp, tripmeter..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Kaboef on November 01, 2018, 11:02:15 am
Fess up

Who was the guy with the loaded AJP  in Somerset west today?
Packed for a trip

Must be a journalist or reviewer?


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on November 01, 2018, 11:36:44 am
A bit off topic

** Snip**
Very interesting that they have put a tablet in there! I would not be surprised if more do it in the future.

That said, is there a seperate odometer? Surely that kind of information has to be more securly measured and stored?

Also watching that video made me prthink of the possible future of Dakar Rally type navigation? Imagine in a couple of years being issued with a tablet for your bike instead of the rally roadbook. No need for printing on paper and the roadbook could be downloaded to the table every day when you arrive in the bivouac or it could even be stored on the device from the beginning of the rally and only unlocks at a certain time. You could programme your own tablet to mark (highlight) the roadboook the way you like every night. Changes could be made electronically if there was a problem like a flooded river. Biggest problem/risk would be reliability I think.
**snap**

The 'purist' will kill you.  >:D 

We (Alexander and I) tried this many times.  The issue is redundancy.  And then on the ASO events everything is on the Unik II already.  I already developed a fully functional rally tablet that replace all instruments on the bike. (It read the PDF that is sent to the printers.)

To use a tablet as ONLY instrument is actually quite simple.  I've done one for my project bike.  A small interface to the CAN bus record and save everything but also communicate via OTG USB with the Tablet.  Show fuel, Water oil etc.  can also display all diagnostic info.

That is the future no matter how we look at it.

BUT, I am not sure if the AJP is fitted with the standard ODB II plug/protocol.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 01, 2018, 11:43:51 am
Also glad this bike stayed almost unchanged from the prototype until it was released. I hope the Yammie T7 will be the same  :deal:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on November 01, 2018, 11:46:06 am
I LIKE THIS BIKE EVEN MORE EVERYTIME I READ ABOUT IT.  will have to start saving money.

** Snip **
OBD SYSTEM
The AJP PR7 model is equipped with OBD system for the fuel injection system diagnosis.
Located on the motorcycle right side, near to the instrument panel, is the OBD connector (1),
which allows to get access to the injection system and its components information.
** snap **

I can now do anything on that tablet. (I program Andriod devices) >:D

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 01, 2018, 12:30:27 pm
Fess up

Who was the guy with the loaded AJP  in Somerset west today?
Packed for a trip

Must be a journalist or reviewer?

What is going on here??? The suspense is killing me! >:(

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on November 01, 2018, 03:13:36 pm
Guys please be a bit patient with me as there is a lot going on in the background before I can answer all the questions. Thks.  These first 4 x bikes are sold already and were brought in to see the reaction and comments which have ALL been very positive.

Just got back from my first ride in SA and it's a great bike to ride. We rode sandy roads with a bit of hard road in between. Very responsive throttle and accelerates well, points where you want it to go, a 108 kg guy gets 20 km per liter, and it feels very nippy underfoot. This bike is something special for sure.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 02, 2018, 11:33:44 am
Some detail about the tablet


IF this is a normal Samsung tablet how do they get past seeing anything on it in bright light ? Always an issue with smartphones and tablets
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on November 02, 2018, 11:41:15 am
duplicate sorry
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 02, 2018, 06:55:54 pm
Rally bikes do not work for me anymore, but I have sat on one of these PR7 last year in Slovakia and the owner - older gentleman with long motocross history, really liked it. He could take it to motocross track for some fun and then ride it home on road with ease. It will be interesting if there were any changes made to the engine and wide ration gearbox. I had that engine and gearbox in my TE630 and used to gloat about the WR gearbox, but in retrospect I have to say it was too wide. The engine in my TE630 (with power-up kit, open airbox and JD Tuner) just didn't have enough juice to really do anything in 6th gear - couldn't overtake, or even slight inclines (even with bigger rear sprocket, which then made 1st gear very short). But one thing was for sure - in low gears, that bike was traction king.

Hopefully this bike will be a success and rejuvenalize this admitedly niche market segment.

Here 2 riding videos of PR7 (sorry if they were already posted) - one from my village back in Europe and one from Ozzy sand. The bike seems to handle well - I would sure love to have that suspension on one of my bikes:



Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 02, 2018, 07:11:06 pm
Naaise  :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: katana on November 02, 2018, 07:21:45 pm
I cannot think in terms of this bike without using expletives.  Fuk that tank/airbox is narrow.    :drif:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 02, 2018, 10:12:34 pm
Rally bikes do not work for me anymore, but I have sat on one of these PR7 last year in Slovakia and the owner - older gentleman with long motocross history, really liked it. He could take it to motocross track for some fun and then ride it home on road with ease. It will be interesting if there were any changes made to the engine and wide ration gearbox. I had that engine and gearbox in my TE630 and used to gloat about the WR gearbox, but in retrospect I have to say it was too wide. The engine in my TE630 (with power-up kit, open airbox and JD Tuner) just didn't have enough juice to really do anything in 6th gear - couldn't overtake, or even slight inclines (even with bigger rear sprocket, which then made 1st gear very short). But one thing was for sure - in low gears, that bike was traction king.

Hopefully this bike will be a success and rejuvenalize this admitedly niche market segment.

Here 2 riding videos of PR7 (sorry if they were already posted) - one from my village back in Europe and one from Ozzy sand. The bike seems to handle well - I would sure love to have that suspension on one of my bikes:




I had the same issue with my 610, the 6th gear was not usable at all unless you were on a downhill. Still the suspension, handling and gearing at normal speeds were much better than almost any DS bike. I still reckon a 610 / 630 is just as good as any 690 at half the price.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 03, 2018, 12:46:05 am

I had the same issue with my 610, the 6th gear was not usable at all unless you were on a downhill. Still the suspension, handling and gearing at normal speeds were much better than almost any DS bike. I still reckon a 610 / 630 is just as good as any 690 at half the price.

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I have to disagree. The 610/630 are awesome bikes but will never be the same or "just as good" as a 690/701. The only reason they get compared is by default due to there having been a dearth of similar bikes in what ě call the 'half loaf' category. I say this owning both and a big fan of the 610/630. They just are different animals with different characteristic engines, gearboxes and frames. Yes the 610/630 are excellent value for money if you can find one, and are really very capable light DS bikes. Personally I have no issue with the 6th gear and sorted it with sprockets and like it lots - much like the 6th on the old 1150 BMW's - almost an overdrive. You want grunt to overtake drop a gear if necessary - this is a 600 after all. It can be set up great and chug technical with superb traction all day. Now the 690/701 is a race bread engine with enduro genetics frame, ergos etc. - immediately noticeable. Far more peaky powerplant and matched gearbox, more sophisticated technically and less old school thumperish. It does also need setting up for purpose like most bikes. In the same breath do not compare the AJP to a 690/701 - this it will never be and probably an unfair expectation.That said it looks like a very nice mid size DS bike and pretty much already fit for purpose - would I buy it instead of a 701 ... I did not even give it more than 30 seconds thought (but maybe because I already have an Italian one).  :ricky: 
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on November 03, 2018, 07:24:09 am
Ok, here is a flyer.

I took a quick search and it seems as if the Navigation app is Locus Map. 
Here is the story to load your standard GPX from Basecamp etc http://www.locusmap.eu/what-is-gpx-and-what-can-you-do-with-it-in-locus/

If I'm wrong with the app let me know.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 03, 2018, 10:25:35 am
Ok, here is a flyer.

I took a quick search and it seems as if the Navigation app is Locus Map. 
Here is the story to load your standard GPX from Basecamp etc http://www.locusmap.eu/what-is-gpx-and-what-can-you-do-with-it-in-locus/

If I'm wrong with the app let me know.

Adie
I bought a 2nd hand tablet yesterday for R450 and loaded Locus Map. Works great.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on November 04, 2018, 12:26:11 pm
What you mustn't forget is that the AJP PR7 that is coming in to South Africa is the 60 hp model so cannot be compared to the TE630 at around 40 hp ( these are the specs I can find on the TE630 ). It pulls like a train in 6th gear so no need to gear down - I know as I own an AJP PR7 60hp model. The other model that is available from AJP in the PR7 class is a 48hp so this is perhaps what the guys earlier were talking about as the 48hp model is the one sold in Europe.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 12:36:49 pm
What you mustn't forget is that the AJP PR7 that is coming in to South Africa is the 60 hp model so cannot be compared to the TE630 at around 40 hp ( these are the specs I can find on the TE630 ). It pulls like a train in 6th gear so no need to gear down - I know as I own an AJP PR7 60hp model.

Wrong about TE630. It was specified at 58 HP. Which it never had, not even with power up kit, open airbox, racing ECU and Arrow pipes - all of which I had. It was not even close to 690 power, which 58-60 hp would put it close to at the time (they were specified at that time at about 65 HP, not the latest 75HP models).

I'm pretty sure the engine is the same - seriously doubt they could get more power out of it AND comply with the Euro4/5  (which was the reason why they had to switch from MInarelly 660 engine they used in the original prototypes). Obviously they could have put very different sprockets in and then it should be able to pull even 6th gear. But unless they changed the gear ratios of the 630 engine, then the first gear is completely useless.

But hey - I'm glad you enjoy the bike, and please let us know if the TE630 engine or its gearbox (which according to everyting I've read is exactly what is in AJP) has been modified.

Edit: didn't see last sentence about 48 HP model in Europe initially (did you just add it in?). So what is the difference between 48HP and 60 HP models? Still - 630 was 58 specified from the factory (which as I said it didn't have according to my seat of pants even after being derestricted).
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 12:48:21 pm
Here is comparo of TE630 vs 690 and you can see in the dyno graph that it came in at about 46 RWHP while 690 came in at 50 RWHP. I have no idea what the loss is between crank and rear wheel, but assuming KTM really had about 65 HP on the crank, the TE630 will be somewhere in the vicinity of the 58 HP or so (if extrapolated based on KTM numbers):

https://www.rustsports.com/metal/dual-sport/2011-ktm-690-enduro-r-vs-husky-te630_6975.html (https://www.rustsports.com/metal/dual-sport/2011-ktm-690-enduro-r-vs-husky-te630_6975.html)

I'm very curious what AJP (or SWM) did to have two models - one 48 HP for Europe, and one 60 HP for elsewhere. Still the nominal number on AJP corresponds more or less with the original TE630
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on November 04, 2018, 02:05:32 pm
I got my info here but see they found something wrong with the bike much further down in the article - http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/te630-dyno-results-and-thoughts.24763/ . Australia gets the 48hp model and USA gets the 60hp model. I am not sure why anyone would want the 48hp model unless there is a law in place that governs this in Australia. I see the Husky and KTM 690's push out around 69hp now ( the newer bikes )  but is this at the back wheel ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 02:33:16 pm
Look, I had the bike and was inmate on Cafehusky - and had my 630 dynoed more than once (my dyno graphs are hanging somewhere on CH as well as here - don't remember where). If I remember correctly it was about 48 HP on the rear wheel - but keep in mind that dyno is basicaly a black magic and they can more or less come up with any number just by alternating settings.

Current 690 (upcoming with engine in current Duke) as well as 701 have specified 75 HP. On the crank, not rear wheel - exactly the same as your 60 or whatever HP are also on crank and not on the rear wheel (I would guess you get about those 48 on RW if there is really 60 on crank). Because that is how manufacturers specify it (which kind of makes sense because RW HP are affected for example by tyre on the wheel).

I think I understand why 48 HP for Europe (not sure why for Australia) - because of Euro4/5 that the engine needs to comply with, they had to restrict the original TE630 engine further. I'm pretty confident that your AJP has exactly the same engine as my TE630 had in 2011 (i.e. could get away with less stringent regulations), while the Euro/Ozzy version is the same engine but restricted even further probably in airbox, ECU/map or some such. Your bike may have few HP more or less than mine had because of the different airbox, exhaust and possibly ECU (but I had racing ECU on mine with racing timing), but apart from it is the same would be mu guess.

If you say that it pulls strong in 6th gear, than they either alternated WR gearbox I complained above (that would be the best solution), or just used different sprockets, which may make 6th usable, but will make 1st gear more or less redundant. Don't you have in service manual or somewhere stipulated gear ratios for AJP?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 02:44:29 pm
OK found my dyno done on TE630 - here it is on CafeHusky: http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/jd-tuner-settings.21032/page-3#post-207128 (http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/jd-tuner-settings.21032/page-3#post-207128)


It came to 47 RWHP. The performance mods on the bike were: Open airbox, Arrows pipes, racing ECU, JD tuner with custom map.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Cracker on November 04, 2018, 06:15:00 pm
If you boys are talking pulling power, then you need to talk torques, not so?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 06:43:48 pm
If you boys are talking pulling power, then you need to talk torques, not so?


I don't know and frankly don't care - I'm sure somebody will say that power is jut torque at higher revs or some such.

For me the power / torque isn't the problem (we just got sidelined discussing real numbers on TE630 as an approximation of AJP) at all. If this bike has roughly the same power and/or torque as TE630, that is perfectly fine - there is no other bike in this of category (single, long service intervals) baring 690/701, that comes close anyway.

The WR gearbox would be the problem for me - while my 630 was significantly more powerful than nominally less powerfull Tenere, it couldn't run away from it almost in any speed, as the 1st and 2nd were too short and 6th way too long. I guess there is a reason that manufacturers avoided putting 6 speed gearboxes into bikes in this category (singles about 650cc) as the bikes do not have enough oomph to really pull the 6th gear, unless they make it really close ratio gearbox like KTM did in 690/701 (and got hammered for by many people, including myself originally.). Hopefully AJP has changed the gear ratios, but I would be surprise if they did as they do not manufacture the engine as far as I understand.

This is really going to be problem only if one wants to use this bike for long distance boring dirt touring (and then one can change sprockets to make 6th more lively, but 1st useless). If you use it in right places (e.g. those Ozzy dunes above), you will not need that 6th gear anyway. Here are some videos of my TE630 in desert as well as in mountains, and in none of those the long 6th gear was an issue - as I never got to it. Pure power/torque wise the bike could handle any of those easily and so would this AJP:








Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2018, 07:30:47 pm
I think any D/S bike can do with a tractor first gear, so change your FD ratios until 6th is usable.

Then simply use your 2nd gear as first in any normal work.

Easy to figure these things out. >:D
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on November 04, 2018, 07:41:18 pm
I think any D/S bike can do with a tractor first gear, so change your FD ratios until 6th is usable.

Then simply use your 2nd gear as first in any normal work.

Easy to figure these things out. >:D

Except 630 has tractor first gear plus very short 2nd with standard sprockets already. To make 6th usable, the 2nd becomes a tractor 1st gear (unless you have trials balancing skills and can ride at about 3 kmh on the wound up first). So effectively making 6 gear bike a 5 gear one.

But we digress - Slasher, if you get a chance please post gear ratios for AJP. Ta
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on November 04, 2018, 08:39:14 pm
The AJP comes with a special app on it's tablet that gives 60HP at the back wheel, for an extra $100 you can have it without advertisements
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 04, 2018, 08:42:59 pm
The AJP comes with a special app on it's tablet that gives 60HP at the back wheel, for an extra $100 you can have it without advertisements

60 HP on the rear wheel......

701 claims about 74 HP on the crank......

That makes them about equally powerful.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 04, 2018, 08:51:25 pm
The AJP comes with a special app on it's tablet that gives 60HP at the back wheel, for an extra $100 you can have it without advertisements

60 HP on the rear wheel......

701 claims about 74 HP on the crank......

That makes them about equally powerful.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 05, 2018, 07:18:05 am
I got my info here but see they found something wrong with the bike much further down in the article - http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/te630-dyno-results-and-thoughts.24763/ . Australia gets the 48hp model and USA gets the 60hp model. I am not sure why anyone would want the 48hp model unless there is a law in place that governs this in Australia. I see the Husky and KTM 690's push out around 69hp now ( the newer bikes )  but is this at the back wheel ?

My 2014 690 (two engine updates behind the current 701) showed just under 65 on the rear wheel. Evo airbox and Acra fitted. Wearing a knobbly if that makes a difference
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: MaxThePanda on November 05, 2018, 07:25:57 am
Stopped off for the weekend in Elands Bay after a few days solo mission in the Tankwa on my 500 and saw this outside the hotel:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181105/0b7f2ad332ea8315ba725444c6777190.jpg)

I must say, it looks very very nice in the flesh. Everything looks high quality and well turned out. If this was a Honda or KTM they would sell truck loads.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2018, 08:11:43 am
I am surprised they did not put a red valve cover on it like the Husk,. would have matched nicely.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: wolf skaap on November 05, 2018, 08:36:41 am
I got my info here but see they found something wrong with the bike much further down in the article - http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/te630-dyno-results-and-thoughts.24763/ . Australia gets the 48hp model and USA gets the 60hp model. I am not sure why anyone would want the 48hp model unless there is a law in place that governs this in Australia. I see the Husky and KTM 690's push out around 69hp now ( the newer bikes )  but is this at the back wheel ?

My 2014 690 (two engine updates behind the current 701) showed just under 65 on the rear wheel. Evo airbox and Acra fitted. Wearing a knobbly if that makes a difference
65 on rear sounds a bit optimistic with knobby and all.
Figures also mean nothing if they aren't measured on the same Dyno.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Dwerg on November 05, 2018, 08:43:58 am
I got my info here but see they found something wrong with the bike much further down in the article - http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/te630-dyno-results-and-thoughts.24763/ . Australia gets the 48hp model and USA gets the 60hp model. I am not sure why anyone would want the 48hp model unless there is a law in place that governs this in Australia. I see the Husky and KTM 690's push out around 69hp now ( the newer bikes )  but is this at the back wheel ?

My 2014 690 (two engine updates behind the current 701) showed just under 65 on the rear wheel. Evo airbox and Acra fitted. Wearing a knobbly if that makes a difference
65 on rear sounds a bit optimistic with knobby and all.
Figures also mean nothing if they aren't measured on the same Dyno.

I have the dyno printout somewhere. Whether the dyno itself is accurate I can't say. Just relaying first hand info as Slasher asked. Unlike constant "I have read on the internet" opinions......
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 09:54:58 am
Stopped off for the weekend in Elands Bay after a few days solo mission in the Tankwa on my 500 and saw this outside the hotel:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181105/0b7f2ad332ea8315ba725444c6777190.jpg)

I must say, it looks very very nice in the flesh. Everything looks high quality and well turned out. If this was a Honda or KTM they would sell truck loads.

Looks pretty with some dust on! Who was the rider?...or is that top secret for now!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 05, 2018, 12:25:09 pm
Still a pity they could not arrive at a decent name - AJP sounds like an old Pom motosickle ... or a rugby player. We probably need to come up with some appropriate (or inappropriate) acronyms.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on November 05, 2018, 12:47:02 pm


Quote from: BiG DoM on Today at 12:25:09 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=226311.msg4158841#msg4158841)>Still a pity they could not arrive at a decent name - AJP sounds like an old Pom motosickle ... or a rugby player. We probably need to come up with some appropriate (or inappropriate) acronyms.
How about the 'Pinto', then...  ;)
>("AJP" is derived from the initials of seven-times Portuguese Enduro Champion António J Pinto...)
As in, I'll have a pint' O lager, barman!


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on November 05, 2018, 12:49:26 pm
Still a pity they could not arrive at a decent name - AJP sounds like an old Pom motosickle ... or a rugby player. We probably need to come up with some appropriate (or inappropriate) acronyms.  :imaposer:

I think PR7 is a great short strong name for a bike. XR650, T7,etc etc. Some are even named KTM! :lol8:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Renrew on November 05, 2018, 01:04:09 pm
Yeah the name is pretty lame, probably worse than Puzey.

At least the bike doesn’t match the name! Would love to test one.


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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 05, 2018, 01:07:28 pm
So anyone have an update on distributers in SA and pricing?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Buff on November 05, 2018, 01:27:44 pm
All it needs is a decent sticker kit and that bike will look the bees-knees   :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on November 05, 2018, 02:46:04 pm
Hi Tom, Please have a look at Slasher on page 13 for the answer to you question. It is going to take few months before I can give you proper answers.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on November 05, 2018, 07:09:31 pm
Stopped off for the weekend in Elands Bay after a few days solo mission in the Tankwa on my 500 and saw this outside the hotel:

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181105/0b7f2ad332ea8315ba725444c6777190.jpg)

I must say, it looks very very nice in the flesh. Everything looks high quality and well turned out. If this was a Honda or KTM they would sell truck loads.

Looks pretty with some dust on! Who was the rider?...or is that top secret for now!

Secret test rider from the secret test center on the west coast...... much like the stig from top gear. :biggrin:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on November 05, 2018, 07:10:41 pm
I am surprised they did not put a red valve cover on it like the Husk,. would have matched nicely.  :imaposer:

It has got a red valve cover . :) we think the Honda  red is what sold it on Slasher as he is Mr DirtBike Africa.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 05, 2018, 07:39:17 pm
Still a pity they could not arrive at a decent name - AJP sounds like an old Pom motosickle ... or a rugby player. We probably need to come up with some appropriate (or inappropriate) acronyms.  :imaposer:

Alfred John Prestwich. :pot: :pot:

Look up JAP motorcycles.....
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: tau on November 06, 2018, 07:37:47 pm
Name it after a multiple World Enduro champ and adv riders call it lame????
When the keyboard warrior kicks in it is strong!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 07:48:56 pm
Name it after a multiple World Enduro champ and adv riders call it lame????
When the keyboard warrior kicks in it is strong!

HowTF are we meant to know that these obscure initials are associated with Antonio Pinto?  - ok I rest my case, but still not sure it will help sell these bikes in numbers.  :o  although we have BMW, KTM, SWM etc I guess.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: tau on November 06, 2018, 07:55:47 pm
Spend more time investigating your opinion than having TF one.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 06, 2018, 08:28:59 pm
Spend more time investigating your opinion than having TF one.

While you are expressing yours remember opinions are like arseholes - we all have one  :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: tau on November 06, 2018, 09:55:33 pm


For damn sure.

But wait can’t talk now have to go pack for Nam
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 07, 2018, 04:49:56 am
enjoy  :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on November 15, 2018, 06:05:43 pm
So I took a run up to Elands today on the new AJP, (my first real ride on it) I normally ride a KTM 950 Adventure S , I found the following, there is no shortage of power on this bike, it is far more responsive down low in the rev range than I expected and has plenty of power, it handles fairly well on the dirt but I however I would change the factory fitted tyres for more enduro type tires, but best of all the bike is so light that its like a toy , and you can throw it around at will, I also did see 150 km/h on the speedo at one time and it felt very capable of riding at this speed, but was more comfortable at 90 to 120 Km/h

well done AJP and Dirtbike Africa, I think you have a winner
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on November 16, 2018, 09:49:50 am
..... and it felt very capable of riding at this speed, but was more comfortable at 90 to 120 Km/h

I'm as willing as the next guy to "gooi mielies", but on a trip that is the speed  I am comfortable with - as in "enjoyable", "see the country side",  "chilled".

A bigger bike gives more speed, but unless I am concientiously winding it, I find myself riding at that speed regardless, and thus the potential of a bigger bike is wasted on me.

This bike ticks quite a few boxes


Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2018, 10:03:01 am
Having spent the past weekend on my Husky 610 in the Amatola Mountains, including the Katberg Pass and Devils Bellows etc, I was once again struck by how great this engine and  basic platform is. I know the AJP is the later 630 engine but much the same and similar characteristics. The 6th gear that some poo-poo is actually amazing on my bike and I could cruise some passes without changing down (yes admittedly it has freeflow airbox, decat, power up and JT tuner) and chug technical stuff in the other gears brilliantly. I really think this bike if given a chance, fair pricing, and good dealer support (this was an issue with the red Husky's and drastically affected sales here despite popularity abroad) will gain popularity and a niche market of those in the know.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on November 17, 2018, 01:35:26 pm
I would change the factory fitted tyres for more enduro type tires,
What was not said here is that the tyres are Twinduro TKC80 ( probably more suited to larger bikes - debatable ) and the ride was on a sandy road. The TKC 80's are perfect for the hard pack roads and do very well on these surfaces.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on November 17, 2018, 04:42:48 pm
I would change the factory fitted tyres for more enduro type tires,
What was not said here is that the tyres are Twinduro TKC80 ( probably more suited to larger bikes - debatable ) and the ride was on a sandy road. The TKC 80's are perfect for the hard pack roads and do very well on these surfaces.

the tyres on the bike from the factory do not work on the sand ,  my personnel preference would be more of an enduro tyre on the front and I have had very good experience with maxxis IT on a DRZ and think this would work better on this bike as it is about the same weight as the DRZ , however the maxis IT will not last if you ride on the tar. This is after all a dirt Adventure bike.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on November 17, 2018, 05:05:52 pm
BTW - 701's came out with TKC 80's
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Buff on November 19, 2018, 08:13:01 am
Saw this one all loaded up on FB. If I can remember they were on an African tour coming down from Portugal. Bike has performing great.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 06, 2019, 04:02:34 pm
Just a quick pic of the bike to bump it
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on January 06, 2019, 04:44:58 pm
so how many are available now for sale, I have it on good authority that there are 2 available now .is this correct.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on January 13, 2019, 08:50:36 pm
Took a PR7 for a short spin today and was pleasantly surprised how great it was. Having a 701 to compair to I found the only thing that was lacking was power. I wasn't disappointed but if they put the 701 motor into the PR7 it would be (in my opinion) the abselute best Adv bike ever. I found the PR7 comfortable to ride and handled very well on the bit of tar that I rode. I'll be seriously looking at moving the 701 to get a PR7.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: teebag on January 14, 2019, 11:38:09 am
What would be your main reason to switch from the 701?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 14, 2019, 11:50:56 am
What would be your main reason to switch from the 701?

I was about to ask the same question  ???
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on January 14, 2019, 12:12:55 pm
Mainly suspension, the Husky's suspension sucks.... and the bike is really uncomfortable over long distance. Apart from the huge amount of power that the Husky has there is nothing really going for it. I have had to spend extra money on the Husky hoping to make it more confortable to ride over long distance and so far not happy with the results. The AJP seems to have ticked all the boxes so I'm really interested in it. For around 10k more than a new Husky you get all the extras already on the PR7. It had fuel, descent screen, better suspension, built in navigation and sounds great stock. That equates to around another 50k(tank, pipe, screen, and suspension mods) to get the Husky to around the same spec.
I really like the power of the Husky but that's it.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on January 15, 2019, 07:59:14 am
Power is overrated compared to other attributes such as suspension - fuel range and comfort.
Riders did not complain about power on the ktm 640 - it made less than the AJP.
On a light 650 power between 50 and 60 hp is plenty.
For me the ready to race thing on dual sport bikes is a bit lame.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on January 15, 2019, 08:10:40 am
Power is overrated compared to other attributes such as suspension - fuel range and comfort.
Riders did not complain about power on the ktm 640 - it made less than the AJP.
On a light 650 power between 50 and 60 hp is plenty.
For me the ready to race thing on dual sport bikes is a bit lame.

Was about to comment along the same lines - the 690/701 is very dirt orientated and all that makes it good at that, sucks when travelling - the seat and seating position etc. etc.
If you are prepared to live with that, or if your travelling is more offroad biased, there is a whole thread on adventurizing the 500EXC, which IMHO is even better at that.

Rode StrokeHer's and another XT Tenere (that to me looks more or less the same as the AJP  :P ), and for a lightweight traveler, would go this route.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on January 15, 2019, 08:51:19 am
Problem is that the 660z is many things but light it is not.
Light 650 class = 140 to 155kg dry
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: LouisXander on January 15, 2019, 03:13:21 pm
@peanut73
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mayhem on January 15, 2019, 03:36:57 pm
Power is overrated compared to other attributes such as suspension - fuel range and comfort.
Riders did not complain about power on the ktm 640 - it made less than the AJP.
On a light 650 power between 50 and 60 hp is plenty.
For me the ready to race thing on dual sport bikes is a bit lame.
That is why I'm considering the PR7. Power is great for having a bit of fun now and again but it comes at a price ie. fuel consumption and reliability. This is exactly why the PR7 is looking to be the best bike for the type of riding I want to do.

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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 15, 2019, 03:49:34 pm
So this is the Huskey 610 engine then, and was known to be reliable?

I assume one can get the bike serviced or repaired at a place like 'Offroad cycles' but I hope spares will not be an issue.Ktm/Huskey may stock engine parts?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 15, 2019, 04:59:13 pm
eish...I must have missed the part where the 690/701 were being deployed, labeled as a tourer.
Its a narrow focus machine and has never tried to shy away from this fact.

But back on track here...The PR7 hopefully is well received, we need more choices.
No argue regarding the value,  right here.
 125k for a 450L, 200k ish for a AT or 850, 270k for a 1200. All different bikes with different pros and cons.
Power is indeed a relative ghost, at times you want more,  certain times need less.
Keep on giving feedback please.



Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: LouisXander on January 15, 2019, 05:14:06 pm
Husky 610 was good, 630 not
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 05:18:13 pm
Husky 610 was good, 630 not

In what sense?
 Btw this pr7 has 630 engine, not 610.

And if somebody should have engine parts it is SWM as they own whatever was tge prior life husqvarna. Are they in sa?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 07:13:30 pm
Husky 610 was good, 630 not

 :o Pray tell?

The 630 engine was better but very much the same engine anyway. Otherwise the 630 was virtually identical, slightly lower spec suspension thats all.

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 07:21:31 pm
As far as i remember 630 was DOHC 600cc engine, while 610 was SOHC 570 cc engine. Apart from that the same.

Suspension on 630 was lot worse, at least compared to early models 610. Later on 610 suspension was dumbed down, still better. This pr7 seems to have suspension better tgan any of those bikes.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: LouisXander on January 15, 2019, 07:29:22 pm
Okes on here complained about the 630? Compared to the 610
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 07:41:52 pm
Okes on here complained about the 630? Compared to the 610

Which okes? I had one of the four only sold in sa. Must have been me then. I definitely felt forks were crap (tge same as on xchallenge). Still had goid time on it, eg:



Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 08:27:38 pm
Okes on here complained about the 630? Compared to the 610

Which okes - there were about 3 in the country?  :lol8:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 08:29:33 pm
Okes on here complained about the 630? Compared to the 610

Which okes? I had one of the four only sold in sa. Must have been me then. I definitely felt forks were crap (tge same as on xchallenge). Still had goid time on it, eg:




Ja you did some awesome rides on your 630 - gooi the Lesotho one as well  :thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 09:01:31 pm
630 was slightly heavier than 610 and had inferior suspension but was still a very good bike. I would not have minded one.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 16, 2019, 12:21:05 pm
The AJP - PR7 is 165kg wet weight and with the tank under the seat is very nimble
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 01:31:52 pm
The AJP - PR7 is 165kg wet weight and with the tank under the seat is very nimble

For a bike that is adventure ready out the box that is phenomenal.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: windsurfer on January 16, 2019, 03:33:48 pm
Are there any bikes for sale
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 18, 2019, 12:34:05 pm
I have one brand new AJP PR7 bike for sale now and another one approx. middle of next week. I just have to get the paperwork finalized on the second bike - 90% there already. Price of the bike is R155,000.-  I have already got stock of the necessary spare parts to do oil changes, spare levers ( all ) & sprockets, outer plastics, etc in case they are needed.  If anyone is interested please let me know with a personal message.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 18, 2019, 01:55:08 pm
The way I see it is that this is the bike WD were always building on numerous threads.
I would not mind one, but I think some of us can't stretch the budget to reach a dreamlike.
This is cheaper than the 690, which I also admire.

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on January 20, 2019, 06:31:48 am
Slasher please share with us your plans and vision for this bike such as.
Warranty - spares support - sales and servicing and availability of new bikes.
From what I can gather the bikes are being sold from Langebaan - Western Cape.
Any plans to go national ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on January 20, 2019, 06:38:28 am
Slasher please share with us your plans and vision for this bike such as.
Warranty - spares support - sales and servicing and availability of new bikes.
From what I can gather the bikes are being sold from Langebaan - Western Cape.
Any plans to go national ?

Good questions.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 20, 2019, 09:32:30 am
I am busy with big plans so please can I answer you next week ?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 20, 2019, 10:22:20 am
I am busy with big plans so please can I answer you next week ?

NO, WE WANT TO KNOW NOW!!!.   :deal:

I think if you can set up a support system the bike will sell well.  BUT (me and my but's) that could also be the downfall.  You've got a moerse challange.

Maybe an option will be to let the normal service be done by 'any' motorcycle workshop to retain the warranty.  A lot of Honda owners did that with the AT due to the lack of Honda .........

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: dirt rat on January 20, 2019, 12:02:28 pm
Sure.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: katana on January 20, 2019, 05:24:27 pm
For that matter, go 'merican and allow owners to service and retain the warranty.  Rather that than using mechanics.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on January 21, 2019, 07:27:52 am
For that matter, go 'merican and allow owners to service and retain the warranty.  Rather that than using mechanics.

I trust myself and  "my" LBS (local bike shop)  in any case, but then I don't have bikes with a warranty.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on January 21, 2019, 07:40:59 am
Something else I thought of.

It would be beneficial if the 'generic' option of consumable parts like brake pads, air filter etc is available for the guy/shop to do the normal services.  I used generic parts on my buggy but it was a mission to find the equivalent Yamaha part.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on January 22, 2019, 12:10:39 pm
Did anybody see the AJP dirt bikes featured on the World's Greatest Motorcycle ride though Scotland? They looked good.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on January 22, 2019, 12:28:26 pm
As far as i remember 630 was DOHC 600cc engine, while 610 was SOHC 570 cc engine. Apart from that the same.

Suspension on 630 was lot worse, at least compared to early models 610. Later on 610 suspension was dumbed down, still better. This pr7 seems to have suspension better tgan any of those bikes.

If I recall the 630 was double cam and the 610 single cam, this dealt with the narrow angle on the 610 which caused the chain to eat the reed valve.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: windsurfer on January 25, 2019, 07:46:58 am
Slasher have you got some feedback re servicing and warranty as I am very keen on making a decision on one of these bikes as it ticks all the boxes.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on January 25, 2019, 09:10:02 am
Part of the problem with the Husqvarna TE610/630's was poor dealer network support at the time in SA with the red Huskys. While popular and very well respected as middleweight DS bikes in USA, Europe, NZ and Oz they therefore never found that same following in this country. Instead they became a kind of well kept secret amongst niche ownership. True story. Just saying.  :3some:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 27, 2019, 01:06:07 pm
Happening
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on January 27, 2019, 01:11:17 pm
I have now got the second new bike registered so now have two for sale. Price is R155,000.-
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on January 28, 2019, 09:03:06 am
Nice wish I had the moola
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on January 31, 2019, 03:53:03 pm
They do look very good  :drif:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on January 31, 2019, 11:01:06 pm
I have now got the second new bike registered so now have two for sale. Price is R155,000.-

Bloody nice looking bikes.

Sorry missed the spec's, what is the service intervals and how much fuel can it take?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on February 01, 2019, 06:48:21 am
I have now got the second new bike registered so now have two for sale. Price is R155,000.-

Bloody nice looking bikes.

Sorry missed the spec's, what is the service intervals and how much fuel can it take?

5000 km service Intervals, 17 l fuel and 20 km /L
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on February 01, 2019, 06:52:57 am
I have now got the second new bike registered so now have two for sale. Price is R155,000.-

Bloody nice looking bikes.

Sorry missed the spec's, what is the service intervals and how much fuel can it take?

5000 km service Intervals, 17 l fuel and 20 km /L

we have got one in our group , the owner is a big bloke (110 KG`s) and the bike is performing great so far his one now has 2400 km on it .

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on February 03, 2019, 01:59:26 pm
Some updated specs -

AJP PR7 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS – ROAD LEGAL

Type:   Single cylinder, 4 stroke, 4 valve, liquid cooled, DOHC

Bore X Stroke:   100 x 76.4 mm

Displacement:   600cc

Compression Ratio:   12.4:1

Power:   60 HP

Torque:   66,7 KW

Lubrication:   Wet sump

Fuel System:   EFI 45mm throttle body - fuel injected

Starter:   Electric

Clutch:   Oil bath, multidisc

Transmission:   6 Speed

Frame:   Composite – aluminium / steel

Seat Height:   920mm

Wheelbase:   1540mm

Ground Clearance:   320mm

Fuel Tank:   17 L under seat tank – front filling so you don't have to unpack your luggage - consumption at the coast with 100kg rider 22km / litre

Front Tires:   90/90 – 21”

Rear Tires:   140/80 – 18”

Front Suspension:   Fully-adjustable upside-down telescopic Sachs fork 48mm

Rear Suspension:   Fully-adjustable AJP progressive linkage, Sachs Piggyback shock

Suspension Travel Front:   11.8 in. (300mm)

Suspension Travel Rear:   11.0 in. (280mm)

Front Brake:   300mm Single Floating Wavy Disc with 2 piston calliper - Galfer

Rear Brake:   240mm Single Wavy Disc with single piston calliper - Galfer

Wet Weight:   165 Kg fully fuelled wet weight

AJP PR7 EXTRA SPECIFICATIONS – Standard

Drive:   Cush Drive

Bash Plate:   5mm Full Aluminium

Exhaust:   Titanium Headers / Doma Performance Silencer

Navigation:   Samsung Android Tablet GPS functions – full operating manual already loaded onto tablet, maps to be loaded, routes can be planned on desktop computer & emailed to tablet

Headlights:   Halogen High & Low Beam

Handguards:   Acerbis – Half length Aluminium Inlay for strength

Clutch:   Hydraulically operated

Footpegs:   Wide Style - aggressive grip

Tyres:   Continental TKC 80 front & rear knobby

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on February 04, 2019, 04:51:05 pm
I got an email the other day from a a thread I posted years ago on the 610 clutch problems.
AJP have apparently sorted the problem out by changing the springs in the clutch.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on February 04, 2019, 07:11:23 pm
I got an email the other day from a a thread I posted years ago on the 610 clutch problems.
AJP have apparently sorted the problem out by changing the springs in the clutch.

Correspondence with them via Cafe Husky only resulted in them saying there is no problem - never any admission of them fixing or changing anything. Those of us who have/had the 610/630 know that it is the spring spacers/washers that were the weak link rather than the springs themselves? The replacement hardened ones have lasted on every bike that they were fitted to. I wonder what the change to the springs is?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Rough Rider on February 05, 2019, 08:07:46 am
I got an email the other day from a a thread I posted years ago on the 610 clutch problems.
AJP have apparently sorted the problem out by changing the springs in the clutch.

Correspondence with them via Cafe Husky only resulted in them saying there is no problem - never any admission of them fixing or changing anything. Those of us who have/had the 610/630 know that it is the spring spacers/washers that were the weak link rather than the springs themselves? The replacement hardened ones have lasted on every bike that they were fitted to. I wonder what the change to the springs is?

I agree, the changing out of the washers sorted the problem.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Grumpleton on February 15, 2019, 01:36:36 pm
Why has this gone so quite, I know for a fact there are 2 bikes available right now for sale in SA ,
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobLH on February 15, 2019, 01:56:00 pm
Waiting for my 210m ronts  :imaposer:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: bradleys on February 25, 2019, 05:01:12 pm
Will make a plan to come see the bike soon, need to see you guys soon.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on February 26, 2019, 07:16:32 am
Will make a plan to come see the bike soon...

+1 - would like to see it in the "flesh"
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on February 26, 2019, 10:00:41 am
Will make a plan to come see the bike soon, need to see you guys soon.
Am available anytime !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 05, 2019, 11:31:32 am
Am back from my 4,500km tour to Natal on the dirt. Tracks, trails, twee spoor, rock passes, dirt roads, etc. The AJP PR7 performed like a star and didn't miss a beat even with my 30 kg's of spares & luggage. I still have one new one left for sale that I imported directly from Portugal.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: MiniDan on June 05, 2019, 11:40:50 am
Am back from my 4,500km tour to Natal on the dirt. Tracks, trails, twee spoor, rock passes, dirt roads, etc. The AJP PR7 performed like a star and didn't miss a beat even with my 30 kg's of spares & luggage. I still have one new one left for sale that I imported directly from Portugal.

Do you have a RR out?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 05, 2019, 12:37:29 pm
Do you mean this - ( rally raid / adventure )
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on June 05, 2019, 12:58:37 pm
Think @MiniDan means a Ride Report off your trip, with some pic's please  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: MiniDan on June 05, 2019, 01:27:57 pm
Think @MiniDan means a Ride Report off your trip, with some pic's please  :thumleft:

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on June 05, 2019, 01:49:54 pm
You guys are messing with my mind! :xxbah:

This is exactly what a lot of us have been wishing for!

Please share you ride report!... :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 05, 2019, 01:54:52 pm
Ride report will be in Superbike Magazine this coming month so please keep an eye out for it.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on June 05, 2019, 02:29:08 pm
Ride report will be in Superbike Magazine this coming month so please keep an eye out for it.

I don't buy those so you are going to have to put it up here on WD's as well!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 07, 2019, 02:32:28 pm
Monday 15 April 2019 saw 4 “old” friends from the late 70’s/80’s reconnect for a once in a lifetime opportunity to ride across our awesome country, from the picturesque Langebaan on the West Coast of SA, to PMB, the capital of Kwa Zulu Natal, some 2300 k’s? away, 95% of which would be on dirt roads & tracks. What pulls 4 guys together, that back in those days, shared a deep friendship via their passion for off road bikes & windsurfing? Adventure biking of course.
Goose’s story -
Sunday 14th April was forecast to rain in the morning so my planned route up to Langebaan was diverted to the tar R27 Weskus pad.
By 2’ ish the rain was predicted to have moved off so the morning had me packing and planing for the next 3 weeks on the road.
Your life needs to fit into a giant loop bag .. This shows how little we actually need to survive and have a good time.
All packed and re packed then re packed ... Only the bare essentials came along.
There was also some camping in the pipeline so I also opted to carry tent, mattress and sleeping bag.
This all went onto the outside of the Giant Loop and ended up being very compact and light.
I got up to Langebaan around 5pm and the boys were all chilling, getting final prep sorted for the morning.
Antony and Esti got us a nice dinner from there little surf bar by the Cape Sport Center.
Lekka - thanks
We all chatted and swopped stories from the past 25 years and what we had been up to , life , etc ..
Early to bed !
Monday 15th April
Early start after a quick brekkie.
The lads were looking forward to a leisurely pace along the dirt tracks Antony had planned.
Grant, Antony's buddy popped past to say cheers and safe travels and just gave me a heads up to keep an eye on the "old man".
My duties were to follow at the back.
We had 3 radios, chopper 1,2 and 3
Some nice compact sand roads, all damp from the recent rain had us back roading all the way to Gouda in good time.
We had a quick visit with Freddy.. at the Gouda Bike Forge where he restores old vintage motorcycles. This is a nice place for a Sunday outing.
Bit of tar into Ceres, fill up, grab a bite to eat at the Spur then Tankwa Karoo here we come '
Ant had some more surprises in the route which I have not done before - nice !
The route took us on tracks and trails to Laingsburg where we spent the first night.
Mike, Con and myself all made frequent stops for photos which I was very happy about.
Chopper 1 was a bit far ahead most of the time for us to make use of the two way radios to tell him we just getting some pics.
Tuesday 16th April
Laingsburg, south towards the R62, through Seweweekspoort, back roads to Swartberg Pass , up and over into Prince Albert. Spectacular route, brilliant views from the top !!
We had a late lunch in Prince Albert then had to chase a bit to get to Jumpers place in Willowmore. Time ran out a little with us getting there at twilight.
The folk looked after us well, great steaks and some lekka kak praat !
Wednesday 17th April
Jumpers east to what we call the " back of Baviaans". Also new to me ! Very nice trails, lots of gates though.
Con was spotting places from his ride on the Freedom Challenge MTB race so we made some stops and wow how cool it was to be invited in and offered lunch and a coffee by these kind folk ont Buckland’s. Buckland’s was the one place we must visit again and stay over.
Just arrange it with them and one just needs to arrive for 5 star biker stay over.
After lunch it was east bound through the Eastern Cape game farms towards Addo where we spent the night at Casting of Turds Guest House / Orange Elephant Back Packers – absolutely great and convenient eating spots on the property saving you having to dress up again and go out to eat, and a nice place to stay.
Nice chilled place with a bar and pizza joint next door and a coffee shop that does breakfast - sorted ! A word of warning – be very careful of the Kudu on the roads going there as they come out of nowhere – an excerpt from Angus -   “ Con was about 200 / 300m ahead of me, there was a kudu on the road reserve on the left, Con startled it, I slowed down but the kudu bolted full speed across the road slamming head first into the fence on the other side. I could have been the fence !!!!
Thursday 18th April
We started heading north, Zuurberg 4 x 4 trail just out of Addo , lots of dirt , stones & ruts – we passed Annie’s Villa which was an old blacksmith stopover for ox wagon repairs after the brutalities of the Zuurberg Pass. We even followed an old train line at one stage where the tracks had already been removed, I saw umpteen old ox wagons lying around from days gone by.
Bedford has a nice little coffee shop where the 4 rough bikers had lunch and the fellow travellers stopping there were all interested in our travels.
My Africa Twin had blown a fork seal so it was here that I made some calls to arrange for the parts to be collected in Maritzburg.
Good news was my brother in law in PMB was able to pop to their dealer and get a set for me.
After lunch we continued north along more dirt roads.
There were some thrills and spills !
Mike had an “off” around a sharp bend, the bike landing on his ankle, Con had two punctures on the freshly graded road.
Tough buggers this lot so we were back on the road in no time.
Anthony and Mike chased into Tarkastad to seek medical care and sort our accommodation for the night.
Con and I were left in the wilds to fix punctures and then we rewarded with a spectacular full moon rise .
What a spectacular evening in a beautiful part of the country.
We rolled into town way after dark.
One has to watch for potholes and animals on the tar road leading into Tarkastad.
Friday 19th April
Tarkastad east we trundled on, Mike “Voltarened up”, spectacular scenery, still green from recent rains.
Lots of history in this part of the world. Many old bridges and farm ruins from by gone era’s.
Dordrecht had some fresh out the oven steak pies so that’s what we ate to avoid the Easter crowds travelling home to the Eastern Cape.
What a pleasure not to be on the tar roads. We saw little to no traffic whereas the main roads were chaos.
We bumped into a group of guys from PE all on Africa Twins.
They were also destined for Rhodes.
We took the more off the beaten track roads, passing Rossouw , Barkley East , Mosheshes Ford Farm , a very scenic journey.
Anthony had luggage issues - his carrier bracket gave up. This man has all the tools for the job, and some, so in no time he had welded :-) up a plan and we set off again.
Our average speed was around 30 km/h so Ant chased the photographer's up a bit if we were to get to Rhodes by nightfall.
We gave in and "raced" to our destination.
Rubicon - what a nice spot.
Lekka chow , superb rooms , lots of space !
..... (Owner of Rubicon) got chatting to us and warned us of a weather system moving in and advised us to leave no later than 7am the following morning.
Saturday 20th April
‘Hop along’ ( Michael from the bike landing on his foot ) had us up at the crack of dawn , all packed and on the road by 7am
The storm moved in from the Free State , over Lesotho and followed us like a hungry lion all the way to Underberg.
A call was made to ‘cancel’ the last night in Underberg and head straight to Maritzburg.
My brother in law had popped out to spend the last night with us but also agreed that due to the rain forecast it was best to head on home.
Rain it did - solid for the next 4 days. 100+mm of rain – chaos in Natal
No Riding, just some bike maintenance and you tube videos on how to replace Africa Twin for seals.
I spent a week in Maritzburg with friends and family , attended a family wedding on the north coast then took some Natal pals on a little adventure ride in their own back yard. Ant went on and visited all his mates from many years ago in the PMB & Durban areas before heading home on his own. He took 5 days back to Langebaan along the dirt roads and some tar with one section of 100km taking him 3 hours.
After that it was a 3 day journey back to the Cape for me.
Ok so there is a whole other story on part 2 but you had to be there :-)
Let's just say I know a lot of places ………
Ant your route was amazing. Lots of new roads and places for me.
The days, although short in distance were long in travel time.
We could have added some stop overs and brought daily distances to between 200/250 km.
Budget was also spot on. Thanks. ( a note from the navigator – yes we will definitely shorten the days on the next trip and add a few extra nights in, 300km and more per day is too far and is a problem if there are punctures involved )
We usually mix in a bit of camping to make things a bit more affordable, carrying the extra bits is a hassle though due to added weight & volume, but well done on finding budget friendly places that are actually 5 star.
Looking forward to planning the next one for winter next year.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: jaybiker on June 07, 2019, 08:28:02 pm
Not much of a bike review, but who cares? Great ride report!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on June 07, 2019, 08:48:11 pm
 :useless: :useless:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: ianb on June 08, 2019, 08:56:41 am
Slasher i just realized .I was at Coffeeberry  Cons coffee shop .The table next to you chaps when all the biker mates came in for breakfast. I am mates with Con and know Bruce and a few chaps that came to say Hi. It was raining and Con said you chaps were going back to Cape town.  Small world.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 10, 2019, 10:13:49 am
Wow! ianb - it is a VERY small world, Con is a good mate of mine from many many years ago, see you next time I am in PMB
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 10, 2019, 12:02:42 pm
2018 AJP PR7 Adventure – personal ride report
Wow ! wow ! wow ! this is a beautiful adventure motorcycle to look at and ALSO ride.  The only real comparison I have is to my Honda XR650L that has a Uni filter free flow air cleaner, fully jetted carb for adventure riding ( not a huge main jet for performance ) and economy, header pipes and a FMF Q4 / FMF Power Core 4 silencer.
There are two models of the PR7, the racier one that goes to the USA ( they actually race them in the USA ) that does not have indicators and is not road legal over there and the standard model that is road legal. The standard version pushes out 48 hp and the USA model pushes out a healthier 60 hp. The model we get into South Africa is the 60hp that is completely road legal and is on the NaTis system already.  The USA / SA model has slightly bigger holes in the air intake cap, a differently programmed ECU unit and a complete Doma performance exhaust system that is remarkably very quiet in comparison to my FMF Q4 that I have on my XR650L. 
Although on some websites you see it described as a 650 it is only a 600 cc single cylinder that is fuel injected. I like the idea of the tank being under the seat as it made the bike feel very light and ‘ flicky ‘ The motor is from Italy and is made by SWM, a very old name in motorcycling that has been around for many many years. They also produce a 600cc single adventure bike but it does not look anything like the PR7 but more like an old maid.
•   The looks are stunning with the new 2018 grafix on, the cherry red wheel hubs, cherry red wide style footpegs, cherry red rear brake lever, cherry red front fork tubes, etc
•   The rear of the seat has a PR7 logo embroided into it and it really finishes off the seat neatly. The seat is firm yet extremely comfortable and didn't give me a hassle all the way to Natal and back
•   Swinging a leg over the seat you notice straight away that it is lower than the XR650L and ones feet touch the floor a LOT easier.
•   Hand controls are laid out well and easily reachable like any good bike these days.
•   The clutch and front brake are both hydraulic and the clutch is super light to pull and release
•   Once underway pulling the front brake stops you very quickly and I even managed to lock the front wheel on the tar doing a ‘ quick stop ‘ at very slow speed, it certainly opened my eyes. On the XR  I am used to really pulling the front brake lever hard to stop quickly but the PR7 needs much less pull to stop the bike really quickly. Great front brakes with a large diameter thick wavy Galfer style disc that looks chic. Rear brakes also have a Galfer style wavy disc on.
•   Riding the bike slowly and short shifting ( the Langebaan guys always curse at me for short shifting the XR but it has loads of grunt so does not need high revs to ride it ) was easy and it pulled well if suddenly given a handful of throttle. As the revs rise the demon awakens and it takes off like a rocket. The Doma free flow exhaust does not shout at you and is relatively quiet when running hard. My FMF Q4 on the XR is a lot louder and this is supposed to be the quiet version of the FMF silencer for the XR650L.
•   It comes standard with a Android Tablet mounted into the tower which functions as a GPS as well.
•   If you had to try to get a KTM 690 or a Husqvarna 701 up to this ‘ adventure ‘ state it would cost a minimum of R35,000.-. Bigger tank, GPS, alu bash plate, rally fairing, wide footpegs, etc, etc
•   https://www.ajpmotos.com/en/models/trail-en/pr7-adventure-600-en/
Dislikes –
-    The side stand kicks back up when any weight is taken off it. This is a Euro 4 requirement and is easily remedied by hacksawing off a small pin on the side stand pivot screw. Very easy to do and I will for sure cut mine off. You will see this on a lot of bikes now that have to comply with Euro 4 to be able to sell bikes in various countries with these requirements.
-   The rear view mirrors also were attached via a system that you would put on to a bicycle and looked really awful. They are in the process of upgrading these so as to screw on to the clutch & brake lever perches as per any normal bike. The clutch side already has provision to screw the mirror into but the front brake side lacks this. I have changed these already with mirrors that cost R100.- each and one side mirror mount that cost R80.- so not a big problem at all, it is a trivial complaint.
-   Not sure how to put on a center stand as the 5mm thick aluminium bash plate covers the entire bottom of the motor. This we will look at and see if there is a solution.

General  summary –
This is a bike that you purchase off the showroom floor and need to ADD NOTHING as it has it all. The only thing I need to add is a set of soft luggage racks but that one would need to add to any bike to suit the style luggage one would want to carry.
ALL the parts on the bike are really good quality items from levers to footpegs to bash plate, simply everything.
 The dashboard comes with Andriod GPS system and place for two round accessory dials – voltmeter, USB port, Cigarette lighter ??  These you can retro-fit with what you want there. You merely have to cut out these pre-marked roundels.
I used the Oruxmaps app for the tablet GPS but it is an extremely complex app that needs a lot of effort put in to understand it. I am getting better at it but it is still ‘way above my head’ so will still take some time to get used to. I give the tablet an email address and email my pre-planned GPX routes to it which I download onto it. As you then open Oruxmaps it lets you open the GPX route that then shows on the tablet map.
Ride impressions summary –
•   The motor is very smooth and not a lot of vibration can be felt if any – I certainly didn’t notice any
•   Runs well at low revs and has lots of low end grunt
•   Seat height is lower than the XR650L and very comfortable. It has a non-slip covering.
•   Soft pull hydraulic clutch that engages well when pulling off from a standing start.
•   Side stand Euro 4 specification NOT cool as it retracts if any pressure comes off it like when trying to push the bike. It will wack your shin pretty hard if you do not pay attention. An easily fixable problem
•   Bars are at a good height so standing is in the correct position for a rider of 1,85 meters . They are a lot higher than the standard XR650L bars. They are also a nice width to give stability at speed in the rough.
•   Digital speedo with fuel gauge, trip meter, large speed read out, neutral light, high beam, flicker warning & total kilometers travelled.
•   Two halogen headlights, the dip light with a park light in it and a lensed bright high beam light
•   Acerbis hand guards that have an aluminium bar in them to protect the levers properly when falling over
•   Twin exhaust port head with Titanium headers
•   A combination of square metal tube and moulded aluminium frame
•   17 litre under-seat tank that will take you approx. 350 km at a normal speed. It is still filled up from the normal petrol tank cap area so there is not a problem with having to remove ones luggage to fill the bike each time. On our dirt trip to Natal I got between 24 - 28 km/litre riding between 60 – 90 km/hr
•   Cush drive rear hub to stop the jerkiness of the single on the road – it made the ride smooth
•   Galfer style wavy discs front & rear that gave the wheel a killer look and really stop you quickly
•   Thick 5mm aluminium bash- plate that was very well mounted to the underside of the frame and is easily removable
•   Wide footpegs as standard with very good grip lugs for the boot. They have the screw in pins so if it is overkill some can be screwed out to suit.
•   Light-weight rear swingarm hollowed out where it crosses from one side to the other to strengthen it.
•   Completely clear see through screen that does not get in the way of your sight while sitting on the seat.
•   Great quality Domino grips & switches
All in all a great bike that I was VERY impressed with.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on June 10, 2019, 12:59:10 pm
The dashboard comes with Andriod GPS system and place for two round accessory dials – voltmeter, USB port, Cigarette lighter ??

Do you have pics of the setup?, or more detail on the spec of the electronics?

Edit   see the pics, but would like to know:

- The spec of the unit,
- Is is easily remeoveable should ypou want to change it out for another tablet?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on June 10, 2019, 01:25:23 pm
Nice thanks for report! What is the service intervals again?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Tommy Transalp on June 10, 2019, 01:47:05 pm
Who are the dealers in KZN, and what is the price?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 11, 2019, 12:22:57 pm
Nice thanks for report! What is the service intervals again?
5,000km between services
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 11, 2019, 12:24:24 pm
Who are the dealers in KZN, and what is the price?
At the moment I am doing it from Langebaan. Price is R149,995.-
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 11, 2019, 12:29:05 pm
The dashboard comes with Andriod GPS system and place for two round accessory dials – voltmeter, USB port, Cigarette lighter ??

Do you have pics of the setup?, or more detail on the spec of the electronics?

Edit   see the pics, but would like to know:

- The spec of the unit, - I think it is a Samsung A6 but can check this as it flashes up when the ignition is turned on. I have added a SIM card in for info storage purposes.
- Is is easily removable should you want to change it out for another tablet? - Yes it comes out easily and is changeable. I think they had an Apple in there before the Samsung that is there now.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobLH on June 11, 2019, 01:10:17 pm
Slasher,

Can you load T4A on the tablet?

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BuRP on June 11, 2019, 01:21:27 pm
Can you load T4A on the tablet?

@Beserker, you perhaps also know the answer to this?
Good question so btw!
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 11, 2019, 01:43:23 pm
Can you load T4A on the tablet?

@Beserker, you perhaps also know the answer to this?
Good question so btw!

iPhone & Android app is available, but must have GPS enabled, so 3G/4G and not wifi only......
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 11, 2019, 02:01:00 pm
Slasher,

Can you load T4A on the tablet?
No not as far as i can find out but Oruxmaps is also a VERY comprehensive mapping system that you can send GPX files to and it plays them
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Slasher on June 11, 2019, 02:03:17 pm
Can you load T4A on the tablet?

@Beserker, you perhaps also know the answer to this?
Good question so btw!

iPhone & Android app is available, but must have GPS enabled, so 3G/4G and not wifi only......
The tablet sees the satellites
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 11, 2019, 02:11:35 pm
Can you load T4A on the tablet?

@Beserker, you perhaps also know the answer to this?
Good question so btw!

NO! T4A map can not be loaded on Android or iPhone directly.  There are no 'driver software' available to process the map like Garmin.  And in my books all Android mapping software is pretty feeble with way too many useless features etc.

T4A does have an App for Android but not as useful as on Garmin.  It can run totally offline though and use the same map as far as I could see.

** EDIT ** I could not get Oruxmaps to read the T4A maps when I tried about 8 months ago.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on June 11, 2019, 02:30:15 pm
@Beserker, you perhaps also know the answer to this?

T4A has a mobile app, never played around with it.

Looking at a BlackView phone, tablet, hence my question to @Slasher

BlackView provides for GSM/GPS/GLONASS

My experiance with GLONASS was very positive - quick pick up of Sats, very accurate on the ground.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 11, 2019, 02:52:13 pm
NO! T4A map can not be loaded on Android or iPhone directly.  There are no 'driver software' available to process the map like Garmin.  And in my books all Android mapping software is pretty feeble with way too many useless features etc.

I run T4A on my iPad successfully?
The only reason I stopped using it was because it loses detail as you zoom out - never had issues with the mapping aspect though?
I downloaded routes/tracks from MapSource though, not BaseCamp....
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Weedkiller - Adie on June 11, 2019, 03:35:42 pm
NO! T4A map can not be loaded on Android or iPhone directly.  There are no 'driver software' available to process the map like Garmin.  And in my books all Android mapping software is pretty feeble with way too many useless features etc.

I run T4A on my iPad successfully?
The only reason I stopped using it was because it loses detail as you zoom out - never had issues with the mapping aspect though?
I downloaded routes/tracks from MapSource though, not BaseCamp....

Just to clarify
One need the APP - can not install/load MAP.

Adie
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on June 11, 2019, 06:24:04 pm
The only reason I stopped using it was because it loses detail as you zoom out - never had issues with the mapping aspect though?
I downloaded routes/tracks from MapSource though, not BaseCamp....

At what level did it zoom out?  Was it device specific?
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on June 11, 2019, 06:29:07 pm
- The spec of the unit, - I think it is a Samsung A6 but can check this as it flashes up when the ignition is turned on. I have added a SIM card in for info storage purposes.
- Is is easily removable should you want to change it out for another tablet? - Yes it comes out easily and is changeable. I think they had an Apple in there before the Samsung that is there now.

Not sure how robust, but nice unit.

Has GPS/GLONASS location technology which is good.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: erey on June 12, 2019, 07:06:27 am
New version

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 12, 2019, 07:25:47 am
NO! T4A map can not be loaded on Android or iPhone directly.  There are no 'driver software' available to process the map like Garmin.  And in my books all Android mapping software is pretty feeble with way too many useless features etc.

I run T4A on my iPad successfully?
The only reason I stopped using it was because it loses detail as you zoom out - never had issues with the mapping aspect though?
I downloaded routes/tracks from MapSource though, not BaseCamp....

Just to clarify
One need the APP - can not install/load MAP.

Adie

Askies Adie - I misunderstood...! Yes, App certainly is required!

The only reason I stopped using it was because it loses detail as you zoom out - never had issues with the mapping aspect though?
I downloaded routes/tracks from MapSource though, not BaseCamp....

At what level did it zoom out?  Was it device specific?

When trying to view small dirt roads in Namibia, you had to zoom in to about a 5km resolution, but as they roads are twisty, you cant see then end point, maybe 100km away, so you cant "plan" the road you want to use without taking a general direction as a referance, zooming in to see where the road goes, so you spend a great deal of time stopping at intersections etc., trying to see where you want to go.....
Device was a iPad....
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on June 12, 2019, 07:56:27 am
If one could get a strong dealer network I am sure these bikes would gain good market traction as they have in USA. There was a similar problem with the 610/630 Husky's that were very popular abroad but because of dealers in SA were little known and respected. It is good to see they are actively involved in ongoing R&D to improve things with quality parts. I am not a great fan of the extensive use of the red anodising although it seems to be their thang/signature - largely because red anodising fades easily from UV turning pink  ::)  I would like to see more of them - in fact would like to be able to see one in the flesh  8)
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: LouisXander on June 12, 2019, 08:05:17 am
Ja nee Dom, its what everybody in SA wants, but it will go the way of the Husky I think
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Beserker on June 12, 2019, 09:31:03 am
I would like to see more of them - in fact would like to be able to see one in the flesh  8)

Yesss!

On the anodizing - I concur, red is the fastest fading color of all, unfortunately.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on June 12, 2019, 09:35:55 am
I would like to see more of them - in fact would like to be able to see one in the flesh  8)

Yesss!

On the anodizing - I concur, red is the fastest fading color of all, unfortunately.

The new version doesn't have red forks! :thumleft:
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on June 12, 2019, 09:37:38 am
New version



Absolutely fantastic!! Thanks for sharing.. :thumleft: O0

Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: BiG DoM on June 12, 2019, 01:44:35 pm
I would like to see more of them - in fact would like to be able to see one in the flesh  8)

Yesss!

On the anodizing - I concur, red is the fastest fading color of all, unfortunately.

The new version doesn't have red forks! :thumleft:

Well that is a good start - those red vienna forks were an eyesore  :imaposer: Yes I know the mediterranean blood thinks like a bull fighter.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Mooch on June 12, 2019, 01:47:39 pm
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Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: sidetrack on June 12, 2019, 05:04:34 pm
New version



Absolutely fantastic!! Thanks for sharing.. :thumleft: O0
Wow that is a lot of changes after one / two years of production !
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on June 12, 2019, 05:17:17 pm
New version



Absolutely fantastic!! Thanks for sharing.. :thumleft: O0
Wow that is a lot of changes after one / two years of production !

Seems like they are listening to their clients or maybe just want to build the best bike they can. If I had the money this would be my go to DS adventure bike, certainly over the new Honda and I am a big Honda fan.
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: Fransw on June 12, 2019, 06:03:47 pm
New version



Absolutely fantastic!! Thanks for sharing.. :thumleft: O0
Wow that is a lot of changes after one / two years of production !

Sidetrack, I think they are gaining momentum and confidence in the Pr7. I wouldn't mind the first edition model BTW.  Nothing wrong with it..
Title: Re: AJP model PR7 - coming to SA
Post by: RobLH on June 12, 2019, 06:07:25 pm
Wasn’t it first released in 2016?