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Title: G310GS recall
Post by: Imran on July 19, 2018, 01:23:33 pm
Any news on the recall on the G310GS regarding the side stand/frame issue? Dealer says they are awaiting parts before the process begins! To sum up, what I've learnt is that some bikes have suffered bent/broken side stands and some even severe enough to damage the frame! Is BMW once again placing riders in danger?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Welsh on July 19, 2018, 01:32:13 pm
Any news on the recall on the G310GS regarding the side stand/frame issue? Dealer says they are awaiting parts before the process begins! To sum up, what I've learnt is that some bikes have suffered bent/broken side stands and some even severe enough to damage the frame! Is BMW once again placing riders in danger?

Failures have been going on for years, far fewer now, BUT they are reported and there are recall's I don't regard the histrionics as being necessary, frame damage does not mean dangerous to the rider, many Dakars were written off due to frame scrapes, where filling and paint would have been fine, but no, new frame required.  :sip: 
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BabyBeemer on July 19, 2018, 02:34:23 pm
Bait and ammo for 2SD
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Operator on July 19, 2018, 02:46:12 pm
Bait and ammo for 2SD

2StrokeDan.................2StrokeDan...................where are you ?

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Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 02:49:39 pm
MODS! 

MODS!

Delete this thread immediately!  I beg you in the name of all that is holy in India and a few other countries.  I am not asking for myself, but think of the impact of this news on 2SD.  Please!  He will destroy a keyboard in 2 hours.  Think of the financial implications!
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Dwerg on July 19, 2018, 02:58:32 pm
I'll get the ball rolling......

Did the notice just say "The whole thing is a piece of shit"  :pot:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Omninorm on July 19, 2018, 03:04:04 pm
"Is the bike so heavy that it bends the sidestand"?   :biggrin:

I haven't received a recall notice. Frame and side-stand is fine. But BMW will replace it quick and easily if true in typical BMW fashion.   :deal:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Saddle Up on July 19, 2018, 03:17:06 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: jaybiker on July 19, 2018, 03:25:37 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: RobC on July 19, 2018, 03:28:24 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
Standard practice for any tall bike... my KLR is just fine thanks... :sip: :snorting:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 19, 2018, 03:29:20 pm
Pffft...
I think 2SD needs to be recalled,  so many people asking him "Whats wrong with you!" :peepwall:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Oubones on July 19, 2018, 03:36:01 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
You never saw me with my old XL, only way for me to be able to kick it through was to climb up and start it on the sidestand and then ride it off!
Worked and no recall needed.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: RobC on July 19, 2018, 03:42:19 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
You never saw me with my old XL, only way for me to be able to kick it through was to climb up and start it on the sidestand and then ride it off!
Worked and no recall needed.
I believe most Jap bikes are designed with this in mind... they are generally on the shorter side so when testing a new design any defect will come out and they then ammend the prototype to suit this style of mounting... :sip:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Welsh on July 19, 2018, 03:44:00 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
You never saw me with my old XL, only way for me to be able to kick it through was to climb up and start it on the sidestand and then ride it off!
Worked and no recall needed.
I believe most Jap bikes are designed with this in mind... they are generally on the shorter side so when testing a new design any defect will come out and they then ammend the prototype to suit this style of mounting... :sip:

How many 1,9m 140kg lard arse Japs have you seen.... :sip:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: MiniDan on July 19, 2018, 03:48:54 pm
Tick-Tock... Tick-Tock...


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Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: RobC on July 19, 2018, 03:50:51 pm
How many 1,9m 140kg lard arse Japs have you seen.... :sip:
Like I said... the Japs factor in the short lard assed yanks... :deal: :sip:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: jaybiker on July 19, 2018, 04:17:45 pm
 :biggrin: Anyone ever seen me out and about on my X Challenge? I won't climb on the footpeg, because the instinctive mechanical sympathy I've mentioned just won't let me do it.

But I've given a lot of people a good giggle watching me make repeated attempts before I finally manage to throw my leg over!  :lol8:

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2018, 04:25:07 pm
I saw this , but as failures on this indo-China piece of headwrinkle was so expected, I did not respond initially. :deal:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Straatkat on July 19, 2018, 04:39:31 pm
Come on Dan, it is the best bike Harry has ever ridden! Now you are slating it, so out of character!
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 19, 2018, 04:42:54 pm
Come on Dan, it is the best bike Harry has ever ridden! Now you are slating it, so out of character!

Harry forgot to test the sidestand, or he turned a typically BMW fanboy blind eye. :ricky:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 19, 2018, 05:26:59 pm
Looks like Harry test each bikes coil output voltage (with his tongue ) before  recording begins. O0 O0 O0


Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 19, 2018, 05:28:25 pm
 But BMW will replace it quick and easily if true in typical BMW stantfashion.   :deal:

fixed :deal: ;)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: sidetrack on July 19, 2018, 06:42:10 pm
It's the vertically challenged fat arses that stand on the pegs to get on and off, thus bending the stand.


Egg zactly!  No, never mind about vertically challenged, or fat arse, I would just never even think of mounting a bike with my weight on the footpeg while the bike is on the side stand.
Anyone who does so deserves the damage they cause.

It's called mechanical sympathy.
Have seen lots of people do this on XR650R's (mount and kick) with no problems at all. And they were not light weight  :biggrin:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Edgar on July 19, 2018, 07:11:15 pm
Heading is a bit misleading. I thought BMW had a change of mind and recalled the whole bike, FULL REFUND! :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Cracker on July 19, 2018, 09:41:01 pm
:biggrin: Anyone ever seen me out and about on my X Challenge? I won't climb on the footpeg, because the instinctive mechanical sympathy I've mentioned just won't let me do it.

But I've given a lot of people a good giggle watching me make repeated attempts before I finally manage to throw my leg over!  :lol8:

You're still talking about bikes, right?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 09:42:55 pm
Come on Dan, it is the best bike Harry has ever ridden! Now you are slating it, so out of character!

Keep in mind Harry never said it was the best bike he ever put on a side stand!   >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 19, 2018, 09:44:36 pm
But BMW will replace it quick and easily if true in typical BMW stantfashion.   :deal:

fixed :deal: ;)

Sies Chris.  You are a business man.  Surely you understand how this whole process works?. 
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BiG DoM on July 19, 2018, 10:27:12 pm
Harry 'Pot err' probably just used his wand to mount the scooter so no pressure on the side stand (that is if he actually rode it other than in his fantasies).  :peepwall:

PS. Fuck sidestands - most are an after thought and crap - had failures on all sorts of bikes over the years! This even with care - and I agree with jb regarding mechanical sympathy and do not mount the bikes like some Sidestandbroke Mountain cowboy  :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Omninorm on July 19, 2018, 10:41:27 pm
Harry can straddle the bike with space to spare  Iím sure :lol8:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 20, 2018, 05:36:36 am
Harry can straddle the bike with space to spare  Iím sure :lol8:

Are you saying he's got long legs or small balls? :thumleft:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Imran on July 20, 2018, 08:00:33 am
Recall Details
Recall # 2018331
Recall Date   2018/06/15
Notification Type   Safety Mfr
System   Structure
Manufacturer Recall Number   
Units Affected     ?
Category   Motorcycle
Recall Details
On certain motorcycles, the side stand connector and/or frame could break. If this occurs while the motorcycle is in motion, it could increase the risk of a crash causing injury and/or damage to property. If the side stand breaks while the motorcycle is stationary, it could fall over, increasing the risk of injury to bystanders. Correction: Dealers will inspect the side stand connector and frame for any damage. If no damage is found, the motorcycle will be equipped with a reinforcing plate and a new side stand connector. If damage is found, a redesigned frame including the reinforced side stand connector will be installed.
Make   Model   Model Year(s) Affected
BMW    G310GS    2018
BMW    G310R    2018
Manufacturer Name   Toll Free Number   Web Site
BMW    1-800-567-2691    CHECK IF THIS RECALL APPLIES TO YOUR VEHICLE

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: sidetrack on July 20, 2018, 08:36:26 am
Going to be a moerse story if they have to replace frames !
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BiG DoM on July 20, 2018, 08:43:38 am
Going to be a moerse story if they have to replace frames !

Ja major fuckup and such a common R&D mistake on so many bikes ...  ::)  As I said - why are sidestands the last thing to get attention and often an after thought!?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 20, 2018, 10:43:42 am
Going to be a moerse story if they have to replace frames !

Ja major fuckup and such a common R&D mistake on so many bikes ...  ::) As I said - why are sidestands the last thing to get attention and often an after thought!?
The sidestand on the Dakars were an afterthought of note. They attached it to the thinnest pipe on the frame. In heavy wind standing on the sidestand one could see the bike rocking. :o
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Welsh on July 20, 2018, 10:48:38 am
KTM 950's bolted to the Engine casing, a good smack and you have lost an engine case, R1200GS's were worse those sump mounted bash plates, there would have been less issues without the bashplate.  :sip:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BiG DoM on July 20, 2018, 11:13:18 am
Of the three bikes I ride at present all have had suspect sidestands. Husky TE610 - made of spaghetti and failed on my first ride, replaced with an alu one from the later 630  ... has also failed. BMW G450X - worse than spaghetti, I re-manufactured it with thicker wall stainless but still does not elicit confidence. BMW HP2 - stand fine but the original OEM alu hinge bracket needs replacing with a later steel one, otherwise bends. 

The only redeeming factor is that one can claim to have had sidestand tip-overs  :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Tampan on July 20, 2018, 11:18:42 am
Harry can straddle the bike with space to spare  Iím sure :lol8:

And he probably weighs no more than 40 kg's ... >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Grrrr.... on July 20, 2018, 11:22:58 am
I honestly didn't know this bike existed.  :eek7:

Have they been launched locally? I have not seen one yet.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on July 20, 2018, 11:23:44 am
Harry can straddle the bike with space to spare  Iím sure :lol8:

And he probably weighs no more than 40 kg's ... >:D
Hy lyk hoeka tingerig, is hoekom hy so baie jewelery dra vir ekstra gewig!! :lol8: :deal:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 20, 2018, 11:37:03 am


"BMW HP2 - stand fine but the original OEM alu hinge bracket needs replacing with a later steel one, otherwise bends. "

You altered the power to weight ratio on your HP2?
Blasphemy! A real biker will never do that! :pot:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BiG DoM on July 20, 2018, 12:29:31 pm


"BMW HP2 - stand fine but the original OEM alu hinge bracket needs replacing with a later steel one, otherwise bends. "

You altered the power to weight ratio on your HP2?
Blasphemy! A real biker will never do that! :pot:

 :imaposer:  Ja but then I corrected it by airing down the tires.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Imran on July 23, 2018, 08:11:51 am
Some pics of broken side stands!
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 23, 2018, 08:40:31 pm
I have really tried my best, in the face of serious blasphemy of my lily-white character and tender soul, to inform people that this bike would be just cheap.

It seems to be even worse.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on July 23, 2018, 08:43:25 pm
Can they not recall the whole thing?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 23, 2018, 08:48:09 pm
Can they not recall the whole thing?

Or just make it go away? :patch:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 24, 2018, 06:25:59 am
BMW would solve 90% of their issues if they recalled Danie.   >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: BiG DoM on July 24, 2018, 07:14:19 am
BMW would solve 90% of their issues if they recalled Danie.   >:D

And accumulate another 99%  :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 24, 2018, 07:18:45 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: sidetrack on July 24, 2018, 08:46:28 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fare really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 24, 2018, 10:14:21 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fair really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:

Ja nee, the Japs still squeezing  money out of the dr650.
 Simple and reliable.
Unfortunately the dr was thrown out of ZA, because we do not want a single cylinder with too high emissions.
You may however drive a 6.2 litre V8 AMG, you may demand free land and services, kill rape and burn down  if you are unhappy.
Forest for the trees.....
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 09:35:42 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.

As opposed to the large group of blind opposers who refuse to look beyond the badge. 
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 25, 2018, 09:38:08 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fare really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:

 :laughing4:

Well said!  They must be making 80% GP margins on that.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 25, 2018, 03:33:28 pm
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fare really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:

 :laughing4:

Well said!  They must be making 80% GP margins on that.

Shows you how advanced the DR was when it 1st came out. :ricky:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 25, 2018, 03:37:48 pm
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.

As opposed to the large group of blind opposers who refuse to look beyond the badge.

Nou hoe bedoel die beer dan nou?
Kan die opposers nie verby hulle eie badge kyk nie, of kan nie verby die opposing badge kyk nie?
Oeps en dan kry jy ouens wat hulle skuldig maak aan albei.... :peepwall:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Vulcan on July 26, 2018, 10:32:05 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fair really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:

Ja nee, the Japs still squeezing  money out of the dr650.
 Simple and reliable.
Unfortunately the dr was thrown out of ZA, because we do not want a single cylinder with too high emissions.
You may however drive a 6.2 litre V8 AMG, you may demand free land and services, kill rape and burn down  if you are unhappy.
Forest for the trees.....

How come the Chinese bikes with zero emission control, that still run carburetors, can be sold in ZAR,  but not the Japanese singles?  Is it a case of the importers of the Jap bikes just not caring? It seems the only Jap ADV bike you can currently buy new in the 650 class is the Vstrom?
/Hijack off
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: jaybiker on July 26, 2018, 10:55:52 am
Maybe if Cyril was to go and kiss some Japanese arses like he does with the Chinese, and get them to invest in/exploit the country to the same extent, then maybe the DR's and similar bikes might suddenly get the nod again?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on July 26, 2018, 11:58:06 am
BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.
It will fare really well, when the Japanese release a bike it sells unchanged for 20 years only with bold new graphics updates. Case in point  :deal:

 :laughing4:

Well said!  They must be making 80% GP margins on that.

Shows you how advanced the DR was when it 1st came out. :ricky:

You mean it was first launched already advanced in age?   :lol8:


How come the Chinese bikes with zero emission control, that still run carburetors, can be sold in ZAR,  but not the Japanese singles?  Is it a case of the importers of the Jap bikes just not caring? It seems the only Jap ADV bike you can currently buy new in the 650 class is the Vstrom?


I am sure that the DR, for instance, was pulled from ou rmarket because it is a single, or because it is carburetted.  It was more a case of the emissions not within acceptable limits, while these smaller Chines / Indian and Japanese bikes still come in below a certain level.


BMW motorrad is in a seriously strong position and will recover from the 310 regardless of how crap it is.
A large group of blind followers, that refuse to look behind a badge.
Just look at the crf450l thread. Lots of Honda fans pucking around, but most people saying they first will sit it out to see how it fares in the real world.

As opposed to the large group of blind opposers who refuse to look beyond the badge.

Nou hoe bedoel die beer dan nou?
Kan die opposers nie verby hulle eie badge kyk nie, of kan nie verby die opposing badge kyk nie?
Oeps en dan kry jy ouens wat hulle skuldig maak aan albei.... :peepwall:

Nee, maar die omie bedoel maar, of jy BMW blindelings laaik, of blindelings dislaaik, is mos maar dieselfde ding.  DIt bly 'n blindelingse keuse.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Clint_G on July 26, 2018, 01:53:13 pm
About climbing on the bike while on the side stand. I'm 177cm, weigh 95kg, and ride an 1190.
With boots and kit on, there's a pretty good chance I'm going to tear my seat or scratch my bike trying to get my leg over it.
Especially after a few hours of playing in the dirt. So I stand on the footpeg.
I did it with my 800GS, and with the 1200GS, and never had issues.

On a smaller bike, I'd understand being a little concerned about a flimsy side stand, but of the 3 bikes I mentioned, there was no problem using it like that.

Before that I rode superbikes. If you can't get onto on of those without using the sidestand, you should consider joining the circus.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: sidetrack on September 02, 2019, 05:00:07 pm
Now recalls on the calipers  :peepwall:

https://advrider.com/bmw-recalls-g-310-gs-and-g-310-r-for-faulty-brake-calipers/
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: eberhard on September 02, 2019, 05:40:43 pm
So what is to be expected - made in India. Rather buy a Royal Enfield. No beating about the bush there. You know what you pay for and you get what you paid for.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 07:07:08 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: RobC on September 03, 2019, 10:59:51 am
Seems like my misgivings were predictions... >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 03, 2019, 05:44:52 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.


All your foretelling is moot Danie and your excitement about the latest BMW misgivings have prevented you from clear and level headed BMW bashing.  The 310 Beemer, may well be, as you so aptly described, an "Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply built", however it still had less recalls than the 1200LC German built and all and all. 
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 03, 2019, 06:56:22 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.


All your foretelling is moot Danie and your excitement about the latest BMW misgivings have prevented you from clear and level headed BMW bashing.  The 310 Beemer, may well be, as you so aptly described, an "Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply built", however it still had less recalls than the 1200LC German built and all and all.

Sometimes, just sometimes, I lose focus, and my eyes wander off the target. >:D >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 03, 2019, 07:38:26 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.


All your foretelling is moot Danie and your excitement about the latest BMW misgivings have prevented you from clear and level headed BMW bashing.  The 310 Beemer, may well be, as you so aptly described, an "Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply built", however it still had less recalls than the 1200LC German built and all and all.

Sometimes, just sometimes, I lose focus, and my eyes wander off the target. >:D >:D

 :laughing4:

It takes a man to admit to his shortcomings, however infrequent said shortcomings may present themselves.   :lol8:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: stcomza on September 04, 2019, 08:36:10 am
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:

You no likey the G310 GS, we get it... 8)

I likey, so stone me  :biggrin:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 04, 2019, 03:39:15 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:

You no likey the G310 GS, we get it... 8)

I likey, so stone me  :biggrin:

You are free to like it, my honest original point was to try and avoid people thinking that this was going to be a good quality bike because BMW told you so.

It is an re-badged Indian bike.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: OomD on September 04, 2019, 06:08:36 pm
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:

You no likey the G310 GS, we get it... 8)

I likey, so stone me  :biggrin:

You are free to like it, my honest original point was to try and avoid people thinking that this was going to be a good quality bike because BMW told you so.

It is an re-badged Indian bike.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2019, 07:59:30 am
At this point I would like members to read some of the pitiful fanboy outcries in defence of the baby-Beemer on the GS310 thread, after I foretold that a bike built in India in an Indian bike factory,

will be an Indian bike, sub-standard and cheaply-built.

Even before it was released, fanboys swore it would be great.

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:

You no likey the G310 GS, we get it... 8)

I likey, so stone me  :biggrin:

You are free to like it, my honest original point was to try and avoid people thinking that this was going to be a good quality bike because BMW told you so.

It is an re-badged Indian bike.

If it was Danie, there would be no quality issues.  Have you ever heard of a Bajaj on recall?   :imaposer:

Some idiot in a motorcycle test even declared it the best adventure bike he's ever ridden.  Hope he was fired for such blatant and dishonest misleading of his readers. :patch:

Why does this bother you so much?  WD's here have described you as the greatest guy ever and they have never even met you.  At least that guy did ride the 310 for a bit.   :peepwall: :snorting:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 05, 2019, 08:22:28 am
I'll tell you why this Indian BMW bothers me so much.

It was clear that BMW was using wordplay to bring customers[often sheep when it comes to this brand] under a false impression.

It's almost like you see a guy is going to pay a deposit to a Nigerian scamster, and you can do nothing to help him.

I tried my best.

Those who bought them, thank Harry and "Motorrad" ::)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: eberhard on September 05, 2019, 08:49:08 am
For me honesty, playing open cards, goes a long way, if not all the way.

All the discussions and reviews on the C400 that I perused (8/9 of them) state that that it is made in China. Only ONE claimed that the C400 is made in Berlin!

BMW on its official BMW website is 100% dead quite as to where the C400 is manufactured. Very understandably so. Had the C400 been made in BERLIN, BMW would surely have blasted that fact to the world. But it so very conspicuously does NOT. So it is surely not made in Berlin.

Then it is marketed as a C400. WTF? That is deceptive in a grave manner. So deceptive that posters here on Wild Dog even believe that it is a 400cc and refer to it as such, which it MOST definitely is not!

We live in a world of lies. The government lies to us, the churches lie to us, the schools lie to us, our employers lie to us. Everything around us is fake Ė fake news, fake people, fake marketing. Not even to mention photoshop.

So where an established and apparent reputable company like BMW cannot play open cards, I tend to strip my moer. If something is made in China, it is made in China. No two ways about it. Same with India. Due to my recent involvement with BSA I became quite involved with BSA forums on the net and is there a lot of complaining and bitching regarding BSA parts made in India. It looks good, is cheap, is readily accessible, but the quality sucks. You see a trend here?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: vigilant on September 05, 2019, 09:07:23 am
If damage is found, a redesigned frame including the reinforced side stand connector will be installed.

Sweet.
Just drop your new boney off at the dealer for the appy to install a new frame quickly.
  :o
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2019, 09:13:08 am
I'll tell you why this Indian BMW bothers me so much.

It was clear that BMW was using wordplay to bring customers[often sheep when it comes to this brand] under a false impression.

It's almost like you see a guy is going to pay a deposit to a Nigerian scamster, and you can do nothing to help him.

I tried my best.

Those who bought them, thank Harry and "Motorrad" ::)

Well, the really good news here is that you took your own extensive advice and didn't buy one.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2019, 09:19:59 am
For me honesty, playing open cards, goes a long way, if not all the way.

All the discussions and reviews on the C400 that I perused (8/9 of them) state that that it is made in China. Only ONE claimed that the C400 is made in Berlin!

BMW on its official BMW website is 100% dead quite as to where the C400 is manufactured. Very understandably so. Had the C400 been made in BERLIN, BMW would surely have blasted that fact to the world. But it so very conspicuously does NOT. So it is surely not made in Berlin.

Then it is marketed as a C400. WTF? That is deceptive in a grave manner. So deceptive that posters here on Wild Dog even believe that it is a 400cc and refer to it as such, which it MOST definitely is not!

We live in a world of lies. The government lies to us, the churches lie to us, the schools lie to us, our employers lie to us. Everything around us is fake Ė fake news, fake people, fake marketing. Not even to mention photoshop.

So where an established and apparent reputable company like BMW cannot play open cards, I tend to strip my moer. If something is made in China, it is made in China. No two ways about it. Same with India. Due to my recent involvement with BSA I became quite involved with BSA forums on the net and is there a lot of complaining and bitching regarding BSA parts made in India. It looks good, is cheap, is readily accessible, but the quality sucks. You see a trend here?

The important point for me, is that none of this is new.  Companies, especially automotive related companies have done this sort of manufacturing for decades.  I cannot understand why BMW is targeted.  First, they were pretty clear on where the 310's would be manufactured.  I have never had doubts about the origin of the C400.  I thought its birthplace was general knowledge.  Anyway, one can draw up a long list of badge engineering in the automotive industry.  Not strange.  Not new.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: eberhard on September 05, 2019, 09:34:28 am
I cannot understand why BMW is targeted. 

BMW is NOT targeted. It is only getting measured by the attitude and standards it set itself. What goes around, comes around.

Once upon a time BMW made bikes. I have a few of them. Trust me, they are the best.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2019, 09:55:40 am
I cannot understand why BMW is targeted. 

BMW is NOT targeted. It is only getting measured by the attitude and standards it set itself. What goes around, comes around.

Once upon a time BMW made bikes. I have a few of them. Trust me, they are the best.

I am on my third BMW and my wife on her fourth, but I am not convinced they are the best.  Yes, the total package which includes after sales service, finance, etc.  makes them a very good buy, but I would rather say "one of the best". 

To me, it does however seems that we tend to target BMW, especially when I see some of the expectations in terms of them having to announce where products are made, etc.   I have yet to see similar demands made on other manufacturers.  Furthermore, I do not really see more recalls on these "foreign" made BMW's than on older German made models.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Odd Dog on September 05, 2019, 11:04:20 am
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: MiniDan on September 05, 2019, 11:31:44 am
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 05, 2019, 11:46:47 am
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: eberhard on September 05, 2019, 12:00:40 pm
Hey, come on, I get the best coke from Brazil. Never complained. Neither my customers. Canít say the same from India.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: RobC on September 05, 2019, 02:06:59 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:
Cos I want Dan's spoon! :pot: :peepwall: :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 05, 2019, 05:59:07 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 06, 2019, 11:02:15 am
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:

We have been around this debate many times. Ownership of the plant is unimportant.  Staffing, management, etc. is what is important.   Toyota SA or Suzuki SA are not Japanese companies.

I did not miss Minidan's point.  His point is a pile of crap and I though I did say that, albeit in a much gentler fashion.  If you and he is easily brainwashed, it doesn't mean the rest of the world's population is. 

You have a lot to say about the so-called BMW fanboys who protected the 310 before launch.  How is this, in any way different to you and others who tore it apart before it was launched?  It really isn't.  Both sides overly passionate to a point of emotional distress to a level where clear thinking becomes rather difficult.

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: MiniDan on September 06, 2019, 11:43:54 am
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:

We have been around this debate many times. Ownership of the plant is unimportant.  Staffing, management, etc. is what is important.   Toyota SA or Suzuki SA are not Japanese companies.

I did not miss Minidan's point.  His point is a pile of crap and I though I did say that, albeit in a much gentler fashion.  If you and he is easily brainwashed, it doesn't mean the rest of the world's population is. 

You have a lot to say about the so-called BMW fanboys who protected the 310 before launch.  How is this, in any way different to you and others who tore it apart before it was launched?  It really isn't.  Both sides overly passionate to a point of emotional distress to a level where clear thinking becomes rather difficult.



Damn, no need to get personal here Old Bear. Just stated my opinion and you went full out and called it crap. Maybe you should go for a lekker adventure ride on that GS of yours and clear the anger out...

Lekker dag man  :thumleft:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Roxtar on September 06, 2019, 11:52:58 am
My colleague here has to have a frame swop on his GS, not chilled about is as the dealer here cannot even get the simple stuff right.... never mind a frame swop.... :drif:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 06, 2019, 12:44:39 pm
My colleague here has to have a frame swop on his GS, not chilled about is as the dealer here cannot even get the simple stuff right.... never mind a frame swop.... :drif:
It's a problem when you have a recall like this to change the frame... basically a re-build and one can never be sure if it's going to be the same bike again. Opening up chances that something else will go wrong.
Bad design in the first place imho..... not tested for designed use? ::) :patch:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 06, 2019, 01:05:14 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:

We have been around this debate many times. Ownership of the plant is unimportant.  Staffing, management, etc. is what is important.   Toyota SA or Suzuki SA are not Japanese companies.

I did not miss Minidan's point.  His point is a pile of crap and I though I did say that, albeit in a much gentler fashion.  If you and he is easily brainwashed, it doesn't mean the rest of the world's population is. 

You have a lot to say about the so-called BMW fanboys who protected the 310 before launch.  How is this, in any way different to you and others who tore it apart before it was launched?  It really isn't.  Both sides overly passionate to a point of emotional distress to a level where clear thinking becomes rather difficult.



Damn, no need to get personal here Old Bear. Just stated my opinion and you went full out and called it crap. Maybe you should go for a lekker adventure ride on that GS of yours and clear the anger out...

Lekker dag man  :thumleft:

Ah.  Ye olde "don't get personal" card played directly ahead of the "clear your anger out" card.  Good thing we are both white, males!

Anyway, don't you think calling me, because I ride a BMW, "brainwashed" a tad personal?  At least as personal as me calling your opinion crap.  By the way, how is it being personal when someone calls your opinion crap?  I would think calling you crap ... now that would be personal. 

Perhaps you need to go for a ride on that non-GS of yours and clear the anger out?  What do you think?  Just a lekker long ride to help you rid yourself of the anger to me, BMW's in general, brainwashed people and everyone else who happens to enjoy riding a BMW.  Stop to smell the coffee, even have a muffin or two ....   :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: MiniDan on September 06, 2019, 01:48:33 pm
Fokkit, jy het warm vingertjies.

And you right, I take everything I said back. Many apologies, I'll now go ride my non-BMW and have a wonderful time of it.

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 06, 2019, 02:41:17 pm
Fokkit, jy het warm vingertjies.

And you right, I take everything I said back. Many apologies, I'll now go ride my non-BMW and have a wonderful time of it.

Jy het duidelik nog nie 'n draai gaan ry nie, die dat jy nog steeds so erg kwaai is.   Lekker ry en kalm en rustig raak.  Moenie die muffins vergeet nie.  Dit help, veral die Giggelgras geur.   :lol8:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 06, 2019, 08:27:06 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:

We have been around this debate many times. Ownership of the plant is unimportant.  Staffing, management, etc. is what is important.   Toyota SA or Suzuki SA are not Japanese companies.

I did not miss Minidan's point.  His point is a pile of crap and I though I did say that, albeit in a much gentler fashion.  If you and he is easily brainwashed, it doesn't mean the rest of the world's population is. 

You have a lot to say about the so-called BMW fanboys who protected the 310 before launch.  How is this, in any way different to you and others who tore it apart before it was launched?  It really isn't.  Both sides overly passionate to a point of emotional distress to a level where clear thinking becomes rather difficult.

The difference, TheBear, is that I tore it apart knowing where it is going to be built.......and I think I am proved right in the messy aftermath of exchanging frames, etc?

So, in short, what is your point??
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: WildWood on September 07, 2019, 09:21:51 am
What I find strange is the denial that the bikes and components are being sourced in the east to save money and that cheaper parts means poorer quality.

Not only the little Beemers but all the brands.  Eg: KTM always had Renthal bars but the new models have no name unbranded (read China/India etc).

I would probably be hesitant buying a little KTM Duke for the same reason, even it appears to be cool little bike.

I'd be interested to know where the hidden components like wheel bearings are coming from?
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Odd Dog on September 07, 2019, 01:53:48 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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The 310 does not dominate here, I have never seen one on the road as yet, "continuously brainwash riders"  so that's their all manufacterers' master plans Surely you  don't really think the BMW designers are sitting in there offices taking any note of what the opinions of a few Wild Dogs here in SA have to say.

So the little beemer has problems the Ballie was right, they will sort the newer ones out, not that it bothers me as I have no intention of buying one. The bigger ones' which, by the way have been the top selling brand in SA for the past few years, are overweight monstrosities, don't buy/ride one.


Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 07, 2019, 06:08:30 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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The 310 does not dominate here, I have never seen one on the road as yet, "continuously brainwash riders"  so that's their all manufacterers' master plans Surely you  don't really think the BMW designers are sitting in there offices taking any note of what the opinions of a few Wild Dogs here in SA have to say.

So the little beemer has problems the Ballie was right, they will sort the newer ones out, not that it bothers me as I have no intention of buying one. The bigger ones' which, by the way have been the top selling brand in SA for the past few years, are overweight monstrosities, don't buy/ride one.

You have never seen a GS310 on the road, because I personally warned people against the rubbish. :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Odd Dog on September 08, 2019, 03:15:48 pm
 :spitcoffee: >:D
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: jaybiker on September 08, 2019, 04:34:25 pm
Yet another sensational scandal exposed! An evil consortium of Indian, German and South African scamsters in a fiendish plot to rob innocent buyers of their hard earned savings. By dangling before them a brightly painted plaything, a piece of cheap oriental tat purporting to be premium German engineering.

Praised to the heavens by the media, who must be in on the plot, as 'the best adventure motorcycle ever ridden', they might have sold in vast numbers to a gullible public, taken in by the pretty looks, and seductive hype. But no! in the nick of time comes a hero, the Cape crusader, to reveal the shameful truth, and save them from making a disastrous mistake, leaving the dastardly plotters to weep in their showrooms full of unsold bikes and shake their fists in fury, crying "Damn you, Beemerhaterman!"
Watch out for the movie..... :lol8:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: katana on September 08, 2019, 04:37:13 pm
Yet another sensational scandal exposed! An evil consortium of Indian, German and South African scamsters in a fiendish plot to rob innocent buyers of their hard earned savings. By dangling before them a brightly painted plaything, a piece of cheap oriental tat purporting to be premium German engineering.

Praised to the heavens by the media, who must be in on the plot, as 'the best adventure motorcycle ever ridden', they might have sold in vast numbers to a gullible public, taken in by the pretty looks, and seductive hype. But no! in the nick of time comes a hero, the Cape crusader, to reveal the shameful truth, and save them from making a disastrous mistake, leaving the dastardly plotters to weep in their showrooms full of unsold bikes and shake their fists in fury, crying "Damn you, Beemerhaterman!"
Watch out for the movie..... :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 08, 2019, 07:30:39 pm
Yet another sensational scandal exposed! An evil consortium of Indian, German and South African scamsters in a fiendish plot to rob innocent buyers of their hard earned savings. By dangling before them a brightly painted plaything, a piece of cheap oriental tat purporting to be premium German engineering.

Praised to the heavens by the media, who must be in on the plot, as 'the best adventure motorcycle ever ridden', they might have sold in vast numbers to a gullible public, taken in by the pretty looks, and seductive hype. But no! in the nick of time comes a hero, the Cape crusader, to reveal the shameful truth, and save them from making a disastrous mistake, leaving the dastardly plotters to weep in their showrooms full of unsold bikes and shake their fists in fury, crying "Damn you, Beemerhaterman!"
Watch out for the movie..... :lol8:

I cannot take all the credit for this flop of a bike. The Indian "engineers" must take the bulk of the blame/praise. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: katana on September 08, 2019, 07:33:59 pm
I personally wouldn't buy one, but saw this photo...  If the crappy Indian bike can bring some joy to someone with a black credit card.  Why not.
(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/img_20190808_160038-jpg.1837670/)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 08, 2019, 07:43:54 pm
A broken frame has never brought anyone any joy, I am sure.

Rather encourage young riders, and those with black credit cards, to buy quality Japanese stuff, and stretch their rands thus.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: katana on September 08, 2019, 08:03:30 pm
A broken frame has never brought anyone any joy, I am sure.

Rather encourage young riders, and those with black credit cards, to buy quality Japanese stuff, and stretch their rands thus.
I was just messing with you Dan.  I knew you would care...   ;)

Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 09, 2019, 08:19:10 am
A broken frame has never brought anyone any joy, I am sure.

Rather encourage young riders, and those with black credit cards, to buy quality Japanese stuff, and stretch their rands thus.
I was just messing with you Dan.  I knew you would care...   ;)

 ;) :thumleft:
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: TheBear on September 09, 2019, 02:59:55 pm
Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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The 310 does not dominate here, I have never seen one on the road as yet, "continuously brainwash riders"  so that's their all manufacterers' master plans Surely you  don't really think the BMW designers are sitting in there offices taking any note of what the opinions of a few Wild Dogs here in SA have to say.

So the little beemer has problems the Ballie was right, they will sort the newer ones out, not that it bothers me as I have no intention of buying one. The bigger ones' which, by the way have been the top selling brand in SA for the past few years, are overweight monstrosities, don't buy/ride one.

You have never seen a GS310 on the road, because I personally warned people against the rubbish. :peepwall: :pot:

I see them regularly.  You will have to practice and improve  your reach, or move to Gauteng.   :snorting:

Why complain about a bike that you have no intention of ever riding or owning.  :bueller:

Because they dominate a major sector in our industry and if let to continuously brainwash riders, will get more of the market.

And finally have a big say in what bikes we get in SA...cheaply made, overweight monstrosities.


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You over-estimate BMW as a company and under-estimate the intelligence of the buying public.  You also clearly do not understand market forces and world markets.  A manufacturer does not make something and then see if there is a market.  They first see the market and then make a product to meet that market.  There are obviously exceptions, but the small BMW's, KTM's, etc. are not among them.  There is a huge market for small capacity bikes and companies are making bikes to play in that market.  It is not cheating.  It is not marketing.  It is not brainwashing.  It is not personal. It is just business.

The Honda 250 Twister was possibly one of the best selling bikes of that size, bullet proof and did service as delivery bikes all over the world, including in SA.  They were made in Brazil.  No one ever complained.  No one gave a hoot.  For 99,99% of the world market, the small Beemers or KTM's or Yamahas for that matter, is exactly the same.  Only a teensy minority of BMW nonfanboys waffle on about this.

The Twisters were built inBrazil, IN A HONDA FACTORY. The plant in Manuas has been operating since the 70's

As opposed to BMW having a pukka Indian bike-builder build the GS310 for them, convincing the world that they are closely watching that standards are top notch :imaposer: :imaposer:

You also missed MiniDan's point, which was that a manufacturer with BMW's clout in the market can brainwash buyers, as happened in the case of the GS310.  People fought tooth and nail for the

GS310, even before it was launched. :biggrin:

The "it comes from BMW so it must be good" mentality.

In fact, Honda is building a huge new plant in Itirapina in Brazil. It is this type of involvement that can give you bullet-proof delivery bikes to last years.

Not asking Ramsamy in Mumbai to knock up a thing for you. :xxbah:

We have been around this debate many times. Ownership of the plant is unimportant.  Staffing, management, etc. is what is important.   Toyota SA or Suzuki SA are not Japanese companies.

I did not miss Minidan's point.  His point is a pile of crap and I though I did say that, albeit in a much gentler fashion.  If you and he is easily brainwashed, it doesn't mean the rest of the world's population is. 

You have a lot to say about the so-called BMW fanboys who protected the 310 before launch.  How is this, in any way different to you and others who tore it apart before it was launched?  It really isn't.  Both sides overly passionate to a point of emotional distress to a level where clear thinking becomes rather difficult.

The difference, TheBear, is that I tore it apart knowing where it is going to be built.......and I think I am proved right in the messy aftermath of exchanging frames, etc?

So, in short, what is your point??

In short, my point is that it, so far required 2 recalls.  Much less than many of the Made in Germany models.  Therefore, the fact that its made in India doesn't really .... ag wat, los maar ....

In short, my point is that you tear all BMW's apart, including those made in Germ .... ag wat, los maar ...

Mens kan nie sÍ:  "Alle BMW wat nog ooit gebou is en gebou gaan word is totalle gemors" en dan sÍ: "daai BMW Is gemors want dis in India gebou nie".  Wel, jy kan, maar dan trek jou credibility dalk bietjie swaar.   :lol8:   
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 09, 2019, 07:31:54 pm
TheBear, volg jou eie advies; "ag los maar"
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: OomD on September 10, 2019, 07:14:56 am
TheBear, volg jou eie advies; "ag los maar"
Dalk jy ook Danie.
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 10, 2019, 07:18:21 am
TheBear, volg jou eie advies; "ag los maar"
Dalk jy ook Danie.

I do believe that the GS310 has done all my work for me. ;)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: OomD on September 10, 2019, 08:11:49 am
TheBear, volg jou eie advies; "ag los maar"
Dalk jy ook Danie.

I do believe that the GS310 has done all my work for me. ;)
;)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Herklaas on September 10, 2019, 08:38:36 am
TheBear, volg jou eie advies; "ag los maar"
Dalk jy ook Danie.

I do believe that the GS310 has done all my work for me. ;)

 :sip: I have seen a few, about three of these 301's, stasionary, at shopping centres, had a walkaround, and all I can say is it really looks cheap, like the MotoMias.
They seemed to be a few months old and the mirrors, handle bars and can had some rust that tells you it lives somewhere on the West Coast.
At the time I did not know where they were made.
 ;)
Title: Re: G310GS recall
Post by: Herklaas on September 10, 2019, 08:40:30 am
 :sip: Sorry, that last comment is from me, not Dan.  :bueller: :lamer: