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Title: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: BullFrog on August 31, 2018, 01:32:23 pm
I spent most of my teens and early twenties taking part in Motocross for 1980-1986 - The Heydays of SA MX.

Started of on a 1979 RM 125, then a 1981 YZ 125, and the rest Honda's, Kawasaki's and on P.O.E.S. 1986 KTM 125.

Best years of my life!!!

Tell your story here....

Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 01, 2018, 05:45:41 am
started on the trails around jhb, on PE's and IT 175, did GP,s like the bapsfontein :laughing4:, the headed for the track on bikes such as KTM 495 , brickor, tarlton, back of the moon, eventually after many years got a RM 125, much easier, then 40 yrs later still doing it some times on the same bikes ;D and up to a year or 2 back the same track. still enjoy it albeit more sedatly. Still fun firing up the 70s and 80s 2 smokes, will find some pics
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Whethefakawe on September 02, 2018, 12:39:50 am
Your post got me nostalgic again, so I went and found an extensive post I did in 2015.
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=nmasee11lj3gkgp8bi5ndrpbr7&topic=175122.0

Funny how memory works (or don't). I don't know where I got some of the info from in that post - probably from the old programmes, plus things I remembered -  but I also identified several mistakes I made, mostly regarding chronology.

I became a diehard Maico fanatic in 1983 and have four today, one is an esoteric project, a 1979 GS 440. As long as you have the frame, engine, forks and wheel hubs you can rebuild even this  :lol8:
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/bikesquadrider/Mine%202_zpsbdarial6.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/bikesquadrider/media/Mine%202_zpsbdarial6.jpg.html)

Got a nice prezzie - well, two - for me biffday a few months ago.

1981 Maicos, the 250 has not been ridden since restoration, the 490 has. They're both going into the lounge this week as modern art  :biggrin:

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/bikesquadrider/Mine%2011_zpsbh3rkteb.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/bikesquadrider/media/Mine%2011_zpsbh3rkteb.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/bikesquadrider/Mine%2012_zpsxqgp3t54.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/bikesquadrider/media/Mine%2012_zpsxqgp3t54.jpg.html)
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/bikesquadrider/Mine%2015_zpsbcnnpuh2.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/bikesquadrider/media/Mine%2015_zpsbcnnpuh2.jpg.html)

The1982 250 just like the one I had back in the day will be restored to this standard and joined its brothers on the shelf. Or maybe I'll ride that one just to listen to that distinctive Maico sound  :thumleft:






Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 02, 2018, 06:14:32 am
Very naais Maicos  :thumleft: lets gets some pics on this fred. here are some of me in the last year or 3, some mods some old skool,
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 02, 2018, 06:17:01 am
Brickor 81 or 82  KTM 495,  Syringa just before it closed on a 78 RM 250 , Old TT on KXf 250
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 02, 2018, 03:02:38 pm
Those truly were the heydays of motorsport in general, brings back a lot of memories.  1981 was surely the best year of my life, newly klaared out of the army, earning R600 pm working at Main Yamaha in Johannesburg, owned an XJ650 and raced a TT500 in various enduro events.What a great year that was.  Memories, memories.....

I often wonder what happened to all the friends, colleagues, heroes we had back in those days.  The legends like Charlie Tissen, Kenny Skjoldthammer, Rex Staten, Grant Maben, Butch Hirsch, Russell Campbell, Grant McCleery (his sister married an ex friend of mine.  Long juicy story behind that union  ;)) and others whose names I cannot recall off the top of my head. @Wherethefakawe, you might know some of their whereabouts.  Grant Maben I believe is/was living in the States.  I heard he was in a wheelchair?

Pix below:

1. Start of the Bapsfontein race, 1981.  I'm in there somewhere, I'm the one on the bike  :lol8:  Some serious oopsies at the narrow gate just after this pic was taken. 

2. After the race, guy on the left is forgotten now, my brother at the back, me and my then girlfriend at right.

Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 02, 2018, 03:08:14 pm
1. Rex Staten at Tarlton.
2. Camel MX championships, Corobrick, circa 1984.  Think that is Rex Staten again.
3. ditto.  Maybe you guys can ID some of the riders
4.  And of course the groupies.  Van julle jong latte sal vandag vir hulle moet sê "tannie"  :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 02, 2018, 03:10:09 pm
Not MX but enduro was also big back in those days.

1.  My friend Stuart Oliver in the parking lot at the Gaborone Holiday Inn where he, myself and Rod Lipchick from Main Yamaha rode the Toyota 1000 Desert Race.  Have some great stories of that little jaunt.  Stuart was killed at Durban Deep when practicing in around 1985, broke his neck when he fell  :'(  Stuart rode an SWM back then.

2.  Yours truly making a bit of dust.  Love the simplicity and "boer maak 'n plan" of those days.  Check out my "headlight" so I could pass scrutiny.  :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: BLK on September 02, 2018, 03:44:16 pm
Wonderful memories for sure.

Thks for sharing the pics.Reminds me of what a fantastic youth we had.Army camps were out biggest niggle to hassle about.

How things have changed.

Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: gser on September 03, 2018, 08:10:11 am
Wow !
Nou gaan ek ook kyk, kom ouens en meisies, vertel en gooi fotos !
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Clockwork Orange on September 03, 2018, 12:23:35 pm
Where it all started for me. The Pony Club track in Bloemfontein. My old man and I probably about 1976. Did most of my racing doing regional motocross races in Cape Town many years later at the Clay Brick, Killarney, Melkbos MX tracks. As well as a good few of the Cape endures. Best of times.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 03, 2018, 01:25:21 pm
Dorsland hoe lank het daai TT 500s gehou as jy hulle hard gery/jaag het?
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 03, 2018, 01:43:21 pm
Chris daai enjins was eintlik kanniedood nie.  Ek het daai hele jaar met hom gejaag (Toyota 1000 Desert Race, Bapsfontein 1981 en 1982, Barberspan 1981 en 1982 en 'n paar ander kleiner enduros) en toe nog Desember 1981 Natal suidkus af, Transkei deur tot in die Baai.  Ek het wel vir hom 'n IT490 voorvurk op gesit asook Marzocchi skokbrekers agter.  Verder net goed en gereeld gediens.

Maar .....  Om daai fiets 'n klompie keer in die Kalahari sand op te tel en aan die brand te skop was nie 'n man se maat gewees nie.  Jy't al gesien hoe huil daai Dakar manne van uitputting hier op dag 5?  Nou ja, ek was al amper daar gewees.  :lol8: :eek7:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on September 03, 2018, 02:19:23 pm
Maar .....  Om daai fiets 'n klompie keer in die Kalahari sand op te tel en aan die brand te skop was nie 'n man se maat gewees nie.

Dis mos hoeka skopkant se knieg van jou wat moertoe is of hoe? ;)
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dirty Boy on September 03, 2018, 03:29:15 pm


I often wonder what happened to all the friends, colleagues, heroes we had back in those days.  The legends like Charlie Tissen, Kenny Skjoldthammer, Rex Staten, Grant Maben, Butch Hirsch, Russell Campbell, Grant McCleery (his sister married an ex friend of mine.  Long juicy story behind that union  ;)) and others whose names I cannot recall off the top of my head. @Wherethefakawe, you might know some of their whereabouts.  Grant Maben I believe is/was living in the States.  I heard he was in a wheelchair?


Sounds interesting, Cathy was at school with me. Cant remember if she was the same year but close enough.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Whethefakawe on September 03, 2018, 03:40:52 pm
This video will answer a few questions

https://youtu.be/Wc4899fUNOM

Looks like most of the big names from those days are still in SA. I know Tissen is in America, I bumped into him - literally - at San Diego SX some years ago, and my mate Jody is in regular contact with him, he lives in Northern California somewhere - or maybe Oregon? Up north out west, anyways.

So does Larry Wosick, he owns an old-school mX track called Honey Lake in Northern California. But then, he IS American, one of the top pros in SoCal the world MX HQ in those days. His wife is SA.

My old racing mate Graham lives in Fort Lauderdale, owns a big kite-surfing and windsurfing business.

Other than that, i know nuffink.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 03, 2018, 03:43:33 pm
Bliksem DB, seriously?! 

I wrote the story but thought better of posting it on the forum.  Let me rather PM that to you.  All true though.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Whethefakawe on September 03, 2018, 03:51:52 pm
BTW - I drove past Brickor ten days ago on my way to ORT, after a brief visit to SA to say goodbye to a dying family member. That whole area is high-density light industrial development, the only way to identify the old track area is by the ridgeline that ran along its south-eastern side and the powerlines that went right through the track area. Not a patch of dirt left big enough to dig a hole, never mind ride a dirtbike.   
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 03, 2018, 05:29:37 pm
Some would call that progress.  I call it a damn shame. When looking through my pix for those I posted, It was noticeable how many spectators there were at motorsports events.  I looked through a few albums, F1 GP and 9-hour at Kyalami, MX, drags, enduros, round the houses; thousands of spectators, sometimes hundreds of thousands like at Kyalami.  I am glad to say I was a part of the peak of motorcycling and motorsports in this country.  Now, as with so many other facets, we are just a sorry-assed shell of what we were.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 03, 2018, 08:46:45 pm
Maar .....  Om daai fiets 'n klompie keer in die Kalahari sand op te tel en aan die brand te skop was nie 'n man se maat gewees nie.

Dis mos hoeka skopkant se knieg van jou wat moertoe is of hoe? ;)

Regter knieg was die begin maar nou is dit beide knieë Chris  :(
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 03, 2018, 09:09:03 pm
Peter Claxton now lives in Brisbane, Australia, he was a good Cape-based MXer...


He was known to either WIN a race, OR brake his bike trying, something of a Wild Man. Remember him riding the ‘Superbowl/Wall of Death’ back in the day, on the Hout Bay dunes, no riding restrictions there back in the 80’s...


He showed me what a power band was, I did not understand the concept of on/off throttle on a PE 400 (?), coming from a lowly CG125!


Another rider I saw on Saturday at Woodstock ManCave was Mark Connolly, if anyone remembers his antics on 2 wheels?!
Chris
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Grant650x on September 03, 2018, 09:44:44 pm
Rex Staton is back in the USA and still racing
He was one of the original hard bastards - he would punch guys on the start line if they tried to grab his start gate
He used to do a lot of boxing in his youth

Grant Maben lived in Houtbay for a long time - one armed bandit with all the fast cars and hot chicks

Peter Claxton lives in Airlie beach north of Brisbane and was winning Queensland age group titles up until a couple of years ago when he broke his neck on a jump
Despite how people talk about the free medical being so great in Oz his wife said if they did not have medical aid he would be in a wheel chair now
I remember a hell of a race that Peter had with Rex at Malmesbury nationals one year

I think Robbie Herring still manages the UK MX des Nations teams occasionally he raced for the factory Yammaha team on the GP circuit

Colin Dugmore raced the GP circuit for a long time out of Germany
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Clockwork Orange on September 04, 2018, 08:00:25 am
There is a Heydays Of Motocross Face Book Group. Some really great pics being uploaded there on a regular basis and many of the top riders of those days are quite active such as Robert and Russell Campbell, I think Russel Beattie is also on there and loads more.

C'mon guys need more pics here!!
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dorsland on September 04, 2018, 08:53:18 am
That would be great to read, (un)fortunately  ;) I'm not on FB.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Clockwork Orange on September 04, 2018, 12:39:32 pm
That would be great to read, (un)fortunately  ;) I'm not on FB.

You are better off without FB :thumleft:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Dirty Boy on September 04, 2018, 01:04:23 pm
That would be great to read, (un)fortunately  ;) I'm not on FB.

That is sad.  :o You miss out on all you friends and people you dont know telling you when they are going for a shower, photos of their food, lots of motivational quotes, their idyllic lifestyle and obviously not a care in the world. As said by Clockwork Orange, you are way better off without it.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on September 04, 2018, 01:08:28 pm
Rex Staton is back in the USA and still racing
He was one of the original hard bastards - he would punch guys on the start line if they tried to grab his start gate
He used to do a lot of boxing in his youth

Rex Staten was a friend of my dad way back in the early 80's - he came to SA and raced for Yamaha and used the old Yamaha Cape Town in Strand street as his racing base - he bought me lunch a few times when I cleaned his race bikes in school holidays! I must have the signed posters somewhere inn a box.....
My dad was the parts manager there in the day - we used to spend loads of weekends at Killarney MX & Roads circuits with customer demo bikes - I leaned to ride there.....
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: sidetrack on September 04, 2018, 02:51:50 pm
Rex Staton is back in the USA and still racing
He was one of the original hard bastards - he would punch guys on the start line if they tried to grab his start gate
He used to do a lot of boxing in his youth

Rex Staten was a friend of my dad way back in the early 80's - he came to SA and raced for Yamaha and used the old Yamaha Cape Town in Strand street as his racing base - he bought me lunch a few times when I cleaned his race bikes in school holidays! I must have the signed posters somewhere inn a box.....
My dad was the parts manager there in the day - we used to spend loads of weekends at Killarney MX & Roads circuits with customer demo bikes - I leaned to ride there.....
From an interview :

 "I always made a few bucks, but did real good when I raced in South Africa. I had a contract for $150,000 per year plus win money that paid me $3,000 per win"

Wow now we are at R15.2 to a dollar  :o
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 04, 2018, 03:40:32 pm


Quote from: Dirty Boy on Today at 01:04:23 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=228244.msg4122290#msg4122290)>That is sad.  :o You miss out on all you friends and people you dont know telling you when they are going for a shower, photos of their food, lots of motivational quotes, their idyllic lifestyle and obviously not a care in the world. As said by Clockwork Orange, you are way better off without it.
Very, very well said, gave me QUITE the chuckle!  :thumleft:



Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Bommelina on September 05, 2018, 07:21:20 am
Ahh Those were the days my friend, I thought they’d never end. Afgeval en seer gekry, op geklim en weer gery.

Rosherville, Back of the Moon, Brickcor  - are they still in existence?

It was the mid-seventies. I had an YZ250, converted to run on Ethanol, or was it Methanol? So long ago, cannot even remember. Those days during the 70’s fuel crises, racing were not allowed using petrol.

Pair of cheap boots, jeans, rugby jersey with the number ‘plakked’ on with contact adhesive, garden (gardenia) gloves and away you go.

Even made the pages of BikeSA, the day I managed to wipe out 20 of the 24 contenders at the first corner, now that was a pile up of humongous capacity.  :biggrin: Was in front till the final lap when I wiped myself out within site of the checkered flag. Damnn.

hh

ps. Attached are two .pdf (MX001 & MX002) files with some photographs of that time.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Whethefakawe on September 06, 2018, 03:31:04 am
None of those old tracks exist anymore. Not sure about places like Hammarsdale, Killarney etc in other provinces. Of course Syringa shut down last eyar after the owner was murdered for a bag of Simba chips or whatever. I poked around on Google Earth last night, Tarlton is completely gone, although one can still see outlines of the track. Looks like even the grandstand is gone. Brickor completely gone, and I can't remember where Rosherville and Back of the Moon were, so can't even begin to look for them. Rosherville was somewhere around Germiston if I remember right, BOTM north-east of Pretoria somewhere, maybe near Cullinan?

I notice two tracks just behind Krugersdorp station, across Main Reef Road from that big mine dump that's being reclaimed. I think that was the location of the Durban Deep track back then, although it looks closer to the road now than I remember. Over 400 bikes would race local races on busy days there in 1983. Earlier, in 1980/1, there had been another "Durban Deep" closer to Roodepoort somewhere off Main Reef, very sandy and whooped out but that wasn't an formal track, just a riding area that became popular and attracted locals. I seem to remember it was on mine property and there were signs to that effect.

I'd be very curious and pleased to find out where BOTM was - anyone know? 
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 06, 2018, 05:57:56 am
I raced BOTM, all I recall is heading north to PTA,  sadly they all gone, Syringa still there but property has been demolished vandalised since Janny murder.. Anyone remember Eureka sands a practice track out fourways area, off what is now Cedar road,. I saw a video recently of hammersdale or rather whats left.  its called progress :'(
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Cracker on September 06, 2018, 08:30:44 am
Hell, now there's a blast from the past ............... Eureka Sands ..... it became Dainfern, didn't it?

Dirt Bronco is the name of that track in Krugersdorp, opposite the big dump. I remember riding that area in the 80s but don't remember a track being there or thereabouts. But I do remember the mine property signs.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: BullFrog on September 06, 2018, 08:35:40 am
Great to see so many with memories that I have as well!

Thanks for sharing your stories and keep them coming!

We used to have a team under the 'Magnum Motor Spares' banner consisting of myself, Peter Hills, Trevor Hills, Larry Kirsten, Dean Nel and my sister, Maureen.

It was lekker having the old man foot the bills!!! NEVER really appreciated it until later in life.

@Bommelina, ek het nie geweet jy was 'n mx'er in jou jonger dae nie..  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: shark_za on September 06, 2018, 10:20:43 am
Eureka Sands was Suzuki Daytona later one, the current MX track is Tera Topia that is built on the wash of from the JHB sewerage works.  ;(
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 07, 2018, 05:48:07 am
Close to TT and Daytona , but west of the river as I recall, Even TT on the sewage wash is now defunct, housing project took it over, the new TT is at northern farm, next to kdorp freeway
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2018, 09:57:55 pm
Eureka Sands was Suzuki Daytona later one, the current MX track is Tera Topia that is built on the wash of from the JHB sewerage works.  ;(
That track just looks wrong, like it's built on a slope where you have to hang of the side of the bike ! Guessing it's the one next to the Krugersdorp highway ?
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 08, 2018, 06:14:18 am
Thats the one , not bad a few off corner cambers, the slope has no effect on it. they are also building a small enduro loop around there. I have good few pics from the day will start to post.
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Whethefakawe on September 08, 2018, 06:26:10 am
Eureka Sands was Suzuki Daytona later one, the current MX track is Tera Topia that is built on the wash of from the JHB sewerage works.  ;(

Niiiice. Remember all that fun you had playing in the “mud” and getting roosted? Remember the times you had “mud” up your nose and in your mouth?   :imaposer:

Word of advice, for okes who ride in the minedumps. The old Durban Deep track and surrounding area, with fun dune-like dumps, consisted of very nasty chemically polluted soil. Those snowy white dumps were/are very corrosive, as I found out to my detriment.  Generally speaking, mines are huge polluters and the immediate areas are very toxic. If you ride there, DON’T ride through bodies of water and wash your bike very thoroughly as soon as you get home.

I mean, they used cyanide extensively in the old days to refine gold........stay away.

On another note, I’ve narrowed down where Back of The Moon was, currently doing an aerial recce by google earth, will post anything constructive I find  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 08, 2018, 06:35:15 am
Agree on the roost. its also a bygone thing, one of the main reason i dont do local trail riding here, places like maraisburg, i think its an unwritten rule no roosting, your mate might die from the sewage and other toxic wastes, also wash as soon as finish riding the dunes . I have seen a few bikes left for a few days and the sand and mud is so corrossive especially on the ally bits, i magine your face :-\,
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: Cracker on September 08, 2018, 07:43:54 pm
Aha! That explains my weathered features ............ ;)
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: sidetrack on September 08, 2018, 10:34:34 pm
Thats the one , not bad a few off corner cambers, the slope has no effect on it. they are also building a small enduro loop around there. I have good few pics from the day will start to post.
Please post when they race there again maybe we can organize a WD outride to the track to watch some MX
Title: Re: Motocrossers from the past and the present.
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 09, 2018, 05:07:21 am
will do.