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General => General Bike Related Banter => To Buy or Not To Buy => Topic started by: PieterKLR650 on October 20, 2018, 05:20:33 pm

Title: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 20, 2018, 05:20:33 pm
Hi fellow Dogs,

So, I have decided that this longing feeling to have two wheels in my garage again...needs attention.

First time ever that I will be financing a bike and looking at spending between 80-110K, so I need to make a proper and decent decision.
The wife and I would like to, when time/(money) allows hit the road over a weekend, whether it’s a breakfast run or a weekend breakaway...but we want to do it together. I might want take on some gravel as well....but still considering.

I have considered a few bikes and narrowed it down to either a
- DL 1000(24000km@ 90K),
- a 1190(44000km@ 109K) or
- a 1050(12000km@ 108K)

I know the 1190 will be a great option should I want to go offroad and the DL & 1150 mainly road use.

I will be having the bike for a long time...so need something that will give me proper mileage, good service and not break the bank in terms of maintenance.
I will be doing some homework in terms of comparisons etc..etc.. but thought I could get some advice/suggestions etc from the group that can also assist with the decision making process.

I have taken the DL for a spin but still need to take the KTM’s out.

Thanking all in advance.


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: chicco on October 20, 2018, 05:33:05 pm
im assuming its the 1090 road with the 19inch front. If you only gonna do mainly tar the suzzie is a great option. im a ktm man so i will go for the 1050.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 20, 2018, 05:55:45 pm
 1150

Now we know what is in the back of your mind ;) ;)
VStrom my vote.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 20, 2018, 05:57:13 pm
Here they are:

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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 20, 2018, 06:01:31 pm
1150

Now we know what is in the back of your mind ;) ;)
VStrom my vote.  :thumleft:

I’ll be honest to say that I’ve already started the finance application on the DL....but as I’ve previously had a KLR followed by a 650 Versys and then 4 KTM offroads....is the KTM 1190 also haunting me....want to go and ride it tomorrow....


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 21, 2018, 07:56:19 am
The 1190 is the best looking imho

Really, go with your heart.  Since the are all secondhand bikes, any one of them could be a lemon.

Whichever bike excites you to go ride should be the one  :ricky: unless you just want boring reliability.

Minxy is selling a DCT AT here for not much more
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Battlestar on October 21, 2018, 08:46:29 am
Vstrom all the way for your requirements.

Legendary reliability and will be far easier on your pocket long term.....

That 1000 motor is a gem and with that pipe you have fitted there  :drif:
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Noneking on October 21, 2018, 08:48:24 am
My heart says 1190 but my head says Suzuki.... for your requirements
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Bliknκrs on October 21, 2018, 08:54:14 am
You cant go wrong with the DL.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 21, 2018, 06:25:22 pm
Thank you all for the input and opinions thus far, appreciate it.

Took the 1190 today for a ride....OMG.......
I know one actually cannot compare the DL & KTM as there are quite a few differences between them especially performance wise....but I must say that 1190 kicks like hell...damn...

I cannot say that riding both makes the decision easier except for the 20K price difference as a start..

Watched a few youtube videos on both bikes...found a few that pointed out some issues on the 1190....but in the end one will always find positive and negative info...

One the one hand the 1190 stole my heart today...but the price ...mmm....and I am a bit worried about problems and costs in future.

The DL also shares a place in my heart....spoke to Suzuki to enquire a bit about services etc...didn’t sound too bad.

Buying any of the bikes I am getting a 4 year 20,000km service plan(basic services covered)....so a little bit of piece of mind...

Will see what the installments are like tomorrow....but will still google the hell out of the net tonight for more info....
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: 73 Peanut on October 21, 2018, 06:32:04 pm
Vstrom will outlast the ktm
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 21, 2018, 06:46:13 pm
Vstrom will outlast the ktm

You reckon?


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: shark_za on October 21, 2018, 06:52:14 pm
The biggest smile comes from the 1190R.
Its an exciting adventure hopping on it and going to the shops.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 21, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
The 1190 would be awesome.

However with the air filter dirt issues and motors expiring because of it I would be sceptical of 2nd hand 1190s.
 
It is an awesome bike.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 06:29:19 am
The 1190 would be awesome.

However with the air filter dirt issues and motors expiring because of it I would be sceptical of 2nd hand 1190s.
 
It is an awesome bike.

I came across more than one video where this filter issue was addressed....


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 06:36:13 am
With all the inputs by participants to date...is there anyone that would feel to suggest a different bike than what I have been considering?



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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: DR BIG 750 on October 22, 2018, 07:01:43 am
I have a DL 1000 and a 950 and 990, albeit a different beast to the 1190/1050, if you riding 2 up you will not beat the vstrom. fantastic bike, even its a soft roader, 2 up touring I dont think you will find a better ride, Mrs says go by yourself when the KTM come out 8)
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on October 22, 2018, 07:16:54 am
With all the inputs by participants to date...is there anyone that would feel to suggest a different bike than what I have been considering?



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I did

The At DCT, there is one for sale on the forum by Minxy
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 07:47:34 am
I have a DL 1000 and a 950 and 990, albeit a different beast to the 1190/1050, if you riding 2 up you will not beat the vstrom. fantastic bike, even its a soft roader, 2 up touring I dont think you will find a better ride, Mrs says go by yourself when the KTM come out 8)

So in your opinion...the 1190 then?


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 07:49:35 am
With all the inputs by participants to date...is there anyone that would feel to suggest a different bike than what I have been considering?



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I did

The At DCT, there is one for sale on the forum by Minxy

Yes thanx, went to check his post, saw he sold it...nice option but would have been way out of my budget...

But thank you for the suggestion.


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Battlestar on October 22, 2018, 08:00:49 am
Vstrom will outlast the ktm

You reckon?


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Horses for courses but 100% it will outlast.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Superboet on October 22, 2018, 08:04:14 am
With all the inputs by participants to date...is there anyone that would feel to suggest a different bike than what I have been considering?

R1200GS ??
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 08:09:54 am
With all the inputs by participants to date...is there anyone that would feel to suggest a different bike than what I have been considering?

R1200GS ??

I was thinking about it......but concerned about maintenance costs....it is a BMW after all.
One aspect that stands out....they CAN do mileage...


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 08:10:16 am
Vstrom will outlast the ktm

You reckon?


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Horses for courses but 100% it will outlast.

Ok..


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Tom van Brits on October 22, 2018, 08:14:29 am
I am a petrol head but regardless how much i like the KTM 1190/1090 I will not get my head around it to buy one. So many wow factors but what confuses me is that you are concerned about a GS1200 maintenance cost. KTM = ATM joke is actually not a joke... :lol8:

Reading through your thread I can't see how any of the other bikes mentioned can beat the DL1000 in 1st reliability and 2nd running cost.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 22, 2018, 08:54:34 am
I am a petrol head but regardless how much i like the KTM 1190/1090 I will not get my head around it to buy one. So many wow factors but what confuses me is that you are concerned about a GS1200 maintenance cost. KTM = ATM joke is actually not a joke... :lol8:

Reading through your thread I can't see how any of the other bikes mentioned can beat the DL1000 in 1st reliability and 2nd running cost.

Thanx for the input Tom,

Taking this step to spend so much money on a bike is a really big step for me....was actually considering a second car for the wife but the desire to ride again have actually overwhelmed me...and the wife actually supports the desire...

I think the reason why the KTM was a choice as well was due to me having KTM offroads that I serviced/maintained myself where possible, ....so saved some costs in terms of labour etc.
The same applied to my KLR and Versys...if I can do something myself then I will attempt it.

Maybe it’s because I try to save money where possible to do something myself but obviously when looking at some of these bikes, they might be to complicated to work on yourself when coming to electronics etc.

Must admit I have not done much in terms of checking the net pertaining to the GS...

That’s why I threw out the question to get some opinions and suggestions from people that either have or had these bikes.....the internet is full of positive and negative info and yes, one needs to consider as much as possible....maybe I’m overthinking this




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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: the_BOBNOB on October 22, 2018, 12:15:01 pm
The 1190 would be awesome.

However with the air filter dirt issues and motors expiring because of it I would be sceptical of 2nd hand 1190s.
 
It is an awesome bike.

I came across more than one video where this filter issue was addressed....

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Yes the issue can be fixed.

The question is - was the issue fixed on this bike you want to buy?

Was the issue fixed before any damage was done - or was it fixed after the fact?
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Gιrrard on October 22, 2018, 12:21:58 pm
For what you said... the DL, but for the money I'd go for the 650XT V-strom. It will get you there with the same comfort and speed as the 1000, and you have a bike with some decent off-tar capabilities.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Sheepman on October 22, 2018, 12:49:53 pm
As a KTM fan ( which is not a ATM by the way, if you look after them ), it's clear to me that your requirements are more functionally driven than fun driven.
That being the case, the Suzy is your bike.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: woody1 on October 22, 2018, 01:05:03 pm
Take your wife for a spin on a XT1200 Super Tenere.  Bullet proof bikes well capable for what you want to do together with the wife.
KTM is for when you want to play by yourself I think.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Grunder on October 22, 2018, 01:42:09 pm
Take your wife for a spin on a XT1200 Super Tenere.  Bullet proof bikes well capable for what you want to do together with the wife.
KTM is for when you want to play by yourself I think.

+1

And they are well priced considering what you get!

There is a youtube video where fortnine reviews the tenere.  Google it.  Brilliant bike
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: DR BIG 750 on October 23, 2018, 04:39:34 am
On bike show last night the brand 650 v strom was 90k on special
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 23, 2018, 05:20:41 am
On bike show last night the brand 650 v strom was 90k on special

You’re referring to the 650XT?

Will this be with the dealers?


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: DR BIG 750 on October 23, 2018, 05:48:04 am
Yes i believe at all dealers, the new 650 strom , (last night bike show advertised) another option , my mate is selling a triumph 800 like new I advertised it this morning , Just trying to get the pics of mt phone, cheers
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 23, 2018, 08:12:05 am
Yes i believe at all dealers, the new 650 strom , (last night bike show advertised) another option , my mate is selling a triumph 800 like new I advertised it this morning , Just trying to get the pics of mt phone, cheers

Spoke to Suzuki, no special at this point in time, might have been at the time when the episode was recorded.

Triumph...mmm...my brother has been punting the 800 XCX/XCA.... but I read through a few threads and their service costs seemed a bit steep..


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Dish on October 23, 2018, 08:55:38 am
I have a 2015 1050 and I am very happy with it. I use it for similar to your description, once a week outing to the airfield or now and again out to black horse for lunch with the lass. Parys and cradle area good fun as well. Mostly road, some gravel highways. It performs well, its a great bike and I think a solid option ??
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Jacobsroodt on October 23, 2018, 09:57:43 am
Its a no brainer. The 1050 is the newest with lowest km. In a year or 3 you will be thankful for having bought the latest bike.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 31, 2018, 08:32:39 pm
Thank you all for the informative input, advice and assistance.
Went for the DL....got her on Saturday and took the wife on a quick visit to her sister in Rustenburg on Sunday....WHAT A JOY to be back on two wheels again

Cannot wait for the next weekend...and the next...and the next.


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: JohnB on October 31, 2018, 08:48:41 pm
Congrats. Many safe miles  :thumleft:

Show us some pics :biggrin:
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on October 31, 2018, 08:53:42 pm
Congrats. Many safe miles  :thumleft:

Show us some pics :biggrin:

Thanx(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181031/ee0457d25ac9f8072427bf92a38279d3.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181031/64ec0611bfd5a6d0246cba4a61a06ab2.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181031/a2239116b0c8dc631fa00c27392820bd.jpg)


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: JohnB on October 31, 2018, 09:08:50 pm
 :eek7:

Dis baie mooi. Weereens geluk  :thumleft:
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: benreaper on October 31, 2018, 09:50:41 pm
Congrats and what an eye catcher!
Wens julle baie veilige km's toe.
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: Tom van Brits on November 01, 2018, 02:35:31 am
Goeie keuse en pragtige fiets. Geluk  :thumleft:
Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on November 01, 2018, 08:18:41 am
:eek7:

Dis baie mooi. Weereens geluk  :thumleft:

Baie Dankie, waardeer.


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on November 01, 2018, 08:19:03 am
Congrats and what an eye catcher!
Wens julle baie veilige km's toe.

Baie Dankie, waardeer.


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Title: Re: ‘13 Suzuki DL1000 vs ‘13 KTM 1190 vs ‘15 KTM 1050
Post by: PieterKLR650 on November 01, 2018, 08:19:16 am
Goeie keuse en pragtige fiets. Geluk  :thumleft:

Baie Dankie, waardeer.


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