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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 09:48:41 am

Title: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 09:48:41 am
Let me just set it straight, this is not brand bashing, purely a logical consideration. :)

Are BMW and their clients not getting ahead of themselves slightly? :-\

My knowledge of Bikes and Engineering tells me that a GS is a great piece of equipment. It‚??s versatile, comfortable and designed and built using the most modern technology and design elements available.

It‚??s probably the BEST commuter on 2 wheels‚?¶‚?¶‚?¶ but definitely not an off-roader!

The fact is that a complex and heavy bike, that is restricted in range and self-serviceability, is no good for off road abuse and long distance exploring.

Those that do choose to use them mainly off road have suffered suspension issues, component fatigue, electrical malfunctions and serious damage as a result of falls. These are things that I have personally seen.

Again, this is not a reflection on the bike, anything that weighs 220+ kg, is covered and supported by modern plastic and light die cast parts, and has complex electronic systems will suffer this fate.

The logic is that when exploring off-road, you WILL fall, you WILL end up in Water, mud and sand and the equipment must be able to handle such.

In my opinion, its fair to classify the GS as an 80% Commuter 20% Adventurer bias machine, that‚??s it!

In this context, is there even a road handling section to the GSC and is it proportionate to this bias?

When they built this bike, primarily for the European market, they must have been thinking ‚?? good commuter and occasional little gravel road ‚?? of which there are few and far between in Europe.

Now, its in the hands of South African marketers and cowboys that want you to use it as the ultimate off road adventure bike‚?¶....I mean, afterall, Charlie and Ewan did it! :D

Why are they advertising and portraying it like this and does it make financial sense to entice clients to trash bikes and incur exorbitant service and repair costs?

My concern is‚?¶‚?¶....is it sound business‚?¶‚?¶‚?¶and utmost, is it SAFE? :(

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 02, 2008, 09:53:30 am
OMF........OMF......... ??? ??? ???

Do you just like conflict, or are you bored?

I'll watch this one from my corner  :peepwall:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2008, 09:56:26 am
Get your raincoats, theres a shit storm on the way...
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Ratel on October 02, 2008, 10:01:42 am
 :imaposer:

Come on, someone pleeeeeeese take the bait >:D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 02, 2008, 10:02:32 am
Get your raincoats, theres a shit storm on the way...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 10:04:34 am
Not this again.   ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


If you want a GS buy one, do what ever the hell you want with it.
If you don't want one, then don't buy one, and leave the okes who bough one alone.


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 10:06:06 am
Aaaaaah neee F...... Fidel, hit the search button my maat, this is really oooold. Go play with the wife or go make a sarmie with some beer it's nearly 10'clock.  :biggrin:

Have all these questions been answered already! Maybe i should have that beer sarmie. OMF OMF is the sound of me chewing on it. :)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 10:08:37 am
It is funny that it is always people who do not own BMW's who start sh!t threads like this.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Paulsky on October 02, 2008, 10:10:04 am
I agree, I think it's irresponsible of BMW to set up the orange and red routes with that degree of technicality, from what I heard (at the KTM RR someone who shall remain nameless and had been to both events said to me they were equivelant to RR1 and 2). You can't put a 318 car engine in a bike FFS and try and take it off road to that degree. The HP2 and F800 are very capable in my view but the GS is aimed at a different type of touring and out of it's depth with 300kg and a 19 inch front wheel.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 10:11:45 am
I love my commuter...


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 02, 2008, 10:13:50 am
I agree, I think it's irresponsible of BMW to set up the orange and red routes with that degree of technicality, from what I heard (at the KTM RR someone who shall remain nameless and had been to both events said to me they were equivelant to RR1 and 2). You can't put a 318 car engine in a bike FFS and try and take it off road to that degree. The HP2 and F800 are very capable in my view but the GS is aimed at a different type of touring and out of it's depth with 300kg and a 19 inch front wheel.

You forgot the R80 G/s 178kgs with 21 front wheel. Very capable..... ???
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 10:14:06 am
You are already too defensive to understand what i am asking.  :-\

My feeling is that they are going overboard with this. If Honda where doing the same with the TA or any other manufacturer for that matter, i would have the same concerns.

Its about the engineering, design and marketing principles, no aimed at the sensitive BM owner. ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 10:21:05 am
This topic has been discussed to DEATH!!!

And we all have agreed that BMW are absolutely the crapiest bike you can ever buy; and the people who buys it should be shot on site and their bodies left in the sun as a warning to any other potential buyer.

o..and before I forget. KTM's are the best bikes ever made and that will ever be made.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Now that every has heard what they wanted, can we talk about something more interesting?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 10:22:47 am
You are already too defensive to understand what i am asking.  :-\

My feeling is that they are going overboard with this. If Honda where doing the same with the TA or any other manufacturer for that matter, i would have the same concerns.

Its about the engineering, design and marketing principles, no aimed at the sensitive BM owner. ;)


Ok - lets assume for a moment that you are serious and not stirring.

My 1100 have 147000 km's on it. 50 000 of that I've put on it - two clutches (last one was put in because the 1st one wasn't put in right) and two needlebearings replaced in the shaft.


I don't look after it properly and I sometimes abuse it.

Granted - I don't ride it like a MX bike, but still


Btw - I fixed one of your statements below...

The logic is that when exploring off-road, you WILL fall, you WILL end up in Water, mud and sand and the equipment rider must be able to handle such.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: bobnob on October 02, 2008, 10:23:41 am
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

i agree what does ze-germans know about building a bike that can travel off the tar they are all a bunch of posers and tossers and wankers

the austrians on the other hand know how the build an off-road bike - i have never been to austria but i take they have no tar roads and the entire country is just one bike mud and sand pit waiting to be discovered  :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mark Hardy on October 02, 2008, 10:25:27 am
 :ricky:

I'm just subscribing to what might be a funny thread or a.................arg sh%t it is already going that way.  ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JohnST on October 02, 2008, 10:32:07 am
Nah I think the GS is an awesome bike!! My problem is these guys that has never riddin a bike in their life and because of BMW's awesome marketing they go out and by a GS or even worse a GSA. R20k's kit and all of a sudden they are f_cking mean ass adventure riders!! That bites me!! Unfortunately only 20% of all GS owners can ride their bikes properly the rest are sissies!!

 :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Paulsky on October 02, 2008, 10:35:15 am
No one mentioned KTM and comparing the two, I just think Fidel was asking a question about the reasoning behind the GS challenge and overdoing the routes for the 1200 type of bike specifically. BMW do have real off road bikes capable for the routes they set out. But then again it is a personal choice thing and everybodies freedom of choice should be respected so I suppose who am I to point fingers.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: masehare on October 02, 2008, 10:38:01 am
The fact is that a complex and heavy bike, that is restricted in range and self-serviceability, is no good for off road abuse and long distance exploring.

Those that do choose to use them mainly off road have suffered suspension issues, component fatigue, electrical malfunctions and serious damage as a result of falls. These are things that I have personally seen.

Again, this is not a reflection on the bike, anything that weighs 220+ kg, is covered and supported by modern plastic and light die cast parts, and has complex electronic systems will suffer this fate.

The logic is that when exploring off-road, you WILL fall, you WILL end up in Water, mud and sand and the equipment must be able to handle such.


I'll take the bait. The previous owner of my bike took it on the red route and I've done an additional 30000kms on it. It now stands on 65000km and is in (in my opinion) a very good condition. So maybe re-think your statement about "is no good for off road abuse and long distance exploring". Maybe it was designed for that specifically? Can you prove otherwise? Which bike would you suggest the GSC be done on?  :eek7:

Just for the record - I'll never do the GSC due to other factors.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: skillie on October 02, 2008, 10:39:37 am
I am not taking the bait !


get yourself a commuter here .... http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23096.0;topicseen (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23096.0;topicseen)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 10:39:47 am
I actually forgot about the annual 'post-GSC GS bashing posts' that pops up every year after the GSC...



Forgot to brace myself this year for it.





:P

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JohnST on October 02, 2008, 10:43:20 am
No one mentioned KTM and comparing the two, I just think Fidel was asking a question about the reasoning behind the GS challenge and overdoing the routes for the 1200 type of bike specifically. BMW do have real off road bikes capable for the routes they set out. But then again it is a personal choice thing and everybodies freedom of choice should be respected so I suppose who am I to point fingers.

+1000, because he rides a KTM he is now not allowed to comment on a BM or there will be all hell!! That's bull. It doesn't mean he has never rode on a GS and doesn't know how it feels and how it should handle in that situation.....

I've been on a 1150 and 1200 and I maintain my believes re certain capabilities.

His question remain: Is the routes set out not a bit too hard for the GS1200? If you want to compare the KTM then be so. I'll admit that I think RR1 was too tough for the 950/990, hell they even told us it will break your bike! No illusions!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 10:43:52 am
BUY ONE OF EVERYTHING? Make all parties happy or better yet put KTM badge on the GS? Problem solved... :thumleft: :mwink:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: BiG DoM on October 02, 2008, 10:45:15 am
 :middlefinger:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Ama ride ride on October 02, 2008, 10:45:53 am
This topic has been discussed to DEATH!!!

And we all have agreed that BMW are absolutely the crapiest bike you can ever buy; and the people who buys it should be shot on site and their bodies left in the sun as a warning to any other potential buyer.

o..and before I forget. KTM's are the best bikes ever made and that will ever be made.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Now that every has heard what they wanted, can we talk about something more interesting?


My Dear Fidel

I agree wholeheartly with popi. The GS is the k@kkest bike even build and 99.9% of the buyers bought it after watching the Charlie/Ewan DvD's. Furthermore all the accidents etc happened at the GSC is the bikes fault and the whole GSC is a ploy from BM to get their workshops full.

Regards
Ama
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 10:48:44 am
And to get rid of the old models so they can sell the new model...  :mwink:


Clever Bastids..
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 02, 2008, 10:51:31 am
156 reads & 26 responses and its Thursday afternoon!!!!!
Isn't that some kind of record ??? :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: cloudgazer on October 02, 2008, 10:51:41 am
Let me just set it straight, this is not brand bashing, purely a logical consideration. :)

Are BMW and their clients not getting ahead of themselves slightly? :-\

My knowledge of Bikes and Engineering tells me that a GS is a great piece of equipment. It‚??s versatile, comfortable and designed and built using the most modern technology and design elements available.

It‚??s probably the BEST commuter on 2 wheels‚?¶‚?¶‚?¶ but definitely not an off-roader!

It IS an off-roader - it might not be the best, but it's very capable under most circumstances

The fact is that a complex and heavy bike, that is restricted in range and self-serviceability, is no good for off road abuse and long distance exploring.

No bike is good for 'abuse' - Not good for long distance exploring?? I think there are thousands of people all around the world that do epic journeys that will disagree with you.

Those that do choose to use them mainly off road have suffered suspension issues, component fatigue, electrical malfunctions and serious damage as a result of falls. These are things that I have personally seen.

Again, this is not a reflection on the bike, anything that weighs 220+ kg, is covered and supported by modern plastic and light die cast parts, and has complex electronic systems will suffer this fate.

The logic is that when exploring off-road, you WILL fall, you WILL end up in Water, mud and sand and the equipment must be able to handle such.

They do handle all this. Yes, some suffer, some make it through. It doesn't mater how much marketing or hype BMW puts into their campaigns. if the bikes were crap people would not be buying them.

In my opinion, its fair to classify the GS as an 80% Commuter 20% Adventurer bias machine, that‚??s it!

In this context, is there even a road handling section to the GSC and is it proportionate to this bias?

When they built this bike, primarily for the European market, they must have been thinking ‚?? good commuter and occasional little gravel road ‚?? of which there are few and far between in Europe.

Now, its in the hands of South African marketers and cowboys that want you to use it as the ultimate off road adventure bike‚?¶....I mean, afterall, Charlie and Ewan did it! :D

Why are they advertising and portraying it like this and does it make financial sense to entice clients to trash bikes and incur exorbitant service and repair costs?

How many bikes entered the GSC? How many were trashed? I'm guessing most of the bikes handled it well and weren't trashed or pushed beyond what the bike was capable of.

My concern is‚?¶‚?¶....is it sound business‚?¶‚?¶‚?¶and utmost, is it SAFE? :(

Also, a company can have a brand identity and try and market that - but ultimately a brand is created by what people think. It exists only in the minds of people.
and so if BMW has a 'unstoppable, go-anywhere, do-anything, etc.' image, it was not created by them, but by their customers. And it is their duty to live up to that brand.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 10:51:50 am
I'll admit that I think RR1 was too tough for the 950/990, hell they even told us it will break your bike! No illusions!!

That might be the crux of it all.

I think the idea is to 'challenge' the people and the equipment.

And hey, if there are people who wants to endanger  R130 000 worth of metal and rubber then I won't stand in their way.
;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 10:55:42 am
This topic has been discussed to DEATH!!!

And we all have agreed that BMW are absolutely the crapiest bike you can ever buy; and the people who buys it should be shot on site and their bodies left in the sun as a warning to any other potential buyer.

o..and before I forget. KTM's are the best bikes ever made and that will ever be made.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Now that every has heard what they wanted, can we talk about something more interesting?


Faaaark me, you are sensitive this morning !!!!

Not get it all this morning??????  - Your kelloggs now, I mean  ;D ;D

Don't worry - I like you ........   and your bike  ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Beemer Man (RIP) on October 02, 2008, 10:59:22 am
I agree, I think it's irresponsible of BMW to set up the orange and red routes with that degree of technicality, from what I heard (at the KTM RR someone who shall remain nameless and had been to both events said to me they were equivelant to RR1 and 2). You can't put a 318 car engine in a bike FFS and try and take it off road to that degree. The HP2 and F800 are very capable in my view but the GS is aimed at a different type of touring and out of it's depth with 300kg and a 19 inch front wheel.

Correction 200KG ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 11:03:16 am
hahaha

...en my baaaik ?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 11:04:11 am
hahaha

...en my baaaik ?

ke?

What happened to Eisbeins post ??
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 11:04:43 am
hahaha

...en my baaaik ?

;D ;D ;D ;D

Stunning baaik!




Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 11:06:06 am
hahaha

...en my baaaik ?

ke?

What happened to Eisbeins post ??

I zapped it - didn't know if I was being too forward posting it...


;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 11:06:44 am
Bliksem, maar jy's vinnig op die F5!


;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 11:08:01 am
hahaha

...en my baaaik ?

ke?

What happened to Eisbeins post ??

I zapped it - didn't know if I was being too forward posting it...


;D ;D ;D

I got a thick skin - used to ride a Honda ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 11:11:35 am
I got a thick skin - used to ride a Honda ;D


Hahahahahahaha!
Dit sal jou leer - quote my volgende keer - dan kan ek nie my 'mind change' nie!
;D


Just so people know waht we're on about - this was my initial reaction:


Don't worry - I like you ........   and your bike  ;D

Jy's ook self nie te f*kken bad nie...






;D ;D ;D ;D


:peepwall:

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 11:11:48 am
Jislaaik Fidel, ek moet se, jy's n stirrer - are you bored there in the kantoor? Cos you know you were going to get it in the neck.


I'll play. I honestly cant see where you get the "limited range" on the big BMW's. The biggest one of them all, the 1150GS ADV, weighing in at circa 250kg fueled (Bmw boys correct me here), still does wayyyy better economy than my skinny 196kg  fully fooooled SE/R.     And it has twice the capacity. So that point is completely moot.


As for the rest - what do you reallly want to achieve?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Scalpel on October 02, 2008, 11:12:42 am
Nah I think the GS is an awesome bike!! My problem is these guys that has never riddin a bike in their life and because of BMW's awesome marketing they go out and by a GS or even worse a GSA. R20k's kit and all of a sudden they are f_cking mean ass adventure riders!! That bites me!! Unfortunately only 20% of all GS owners can ride their bikes properly the rest are sissies!!

 :pot:

So you suggest that all newbies into DS biking will rather buy a GS than a KTM? So this suggest that KTM's marketing is up to nothing first of all. How many incidents was at the RR this year? I know of quite a few! :pot:How many mean ass adventure riders on KTM's ended up in hospital at the RR? Unfortunately their was a really sad incident at the GS Challenge, but it could have happened at the RR as well!

So it is not only GS riders that comes into the sport with no precious or very little previous biking experience, but also a lot of KTM riders!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 11:14:26 am
This topic has been discussed to DEATH!!!

And we all have agreed that BMW are absolutely the crapiest bike you can ever buy; and the people who buys it should be shot on site and their bodies left in the sun as a warning to any other potential buyer.

o..and before I forget. KTM's are the best bikes ever made and that will ever be made.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Now that every has heard what they wanted, can we talk about something more interesting?


Faaaark me, you are sensitive this morning !!!!

Not get it all this morning??????  - Your kelloggs now, I mean  ;D ;D

Don't worry - I like you ........   and your bike  ;D
 ??? ??? ??? ???
o ja.
Not having a good day at all.
I think I need a breakfast beer!!

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Paulsky on October 02, 2008, 11:16:30 am

As for the rest - what do you reallly want to achieve?


Healthy discourse, also I'm gatvol here at the office and this is a lekker distraction
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 11:19:23 am
Why is it that i never see a thread where the KTM guys have to take up the defensive? :)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: LuckyStriker on October 02, 2008, 11:19:35 am
It's threads like these that make me want to quite being a moderator

the original post was a load of horse shit and I really don't want to read the rest of the thread although it's my job :(

thanks Fidel - you ass
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 11:23:18 am
It's threads like these that make me want to quite being a moderator

the original post was a load of horse shit and I really don't want to read the rest of the thread although it's my job :(

thanks Fidel - you ass


 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 11:23:58 am
Why is it that i never see a thread where the KTM guys have to take up the defensive? :)

Tallest tree's gets the most wind!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 11:24:48 am
It is funny that it is always people who do not own BMW's who start sh!t threads like this.




If the same was being done, claiming the KTM 640 to be a commuter/tourer, i would have the same concerns. Again, its about the marketing and business ethics.


I like BMs, and I like most of their owners......i just dont think the perception being created is reasonable.


CloudGaz - the GSC is not a test of machine. Riding from here to a remote African destination with no backup and means of repair is. Even finding yourself stuck in the Kalahari because your ABS doesnt like it, is potentially leathal.

Dont teach the owners that they can go anywhere any time. Teach them that they can do some mild offroad but stay close to a BM service shop.  :-\....sorry, that came out wrong  ;D.....Tell them that it is a complex and reasonably sensitive piece of equipment.


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Excalibur on October 02, 2008, 11:26:30 am
Nee wat, hierdie Beemers is kak hoor. Ek trap sommer vas en koop nog een. Ten minste kry hulle minder pap tyres. :peepwall:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 11:28:50 am
sounds like someone or okes need a box of tissues.

single or double ply ladies?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 02, 2008, 11:30:53 am
I had a BM and it was awesome. Now I R riding a Zook and it R more awesomer. They cannot have a Zook offroad challange, cause they cannot find terrain that is challenging enough.  :pot:
Apparently the reason they sent a probe to Mars
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: bobnob on October 02, 2008, 11:31:13 am
CloudGaz - the GSC is not a test of machine. Riding from here to a remote African destination with no backup and means of repair is. Even finding yourself stuck in the Kalahari because your ABS doesnt like it, is potentially leathal.

Dont teach the owners that they can go anywhere any time. Teach them that they can do some mild offroad but stay close to a BM service shop.  :-\....sorry, that came out wrong  ;D.....Tell them that it is a complex and reasonably sensitive piece of equipment.

okay so what your saying is that bmw is unreliable  ???

what bike would you use to do around the world trip? what bike would you use to do a cape to cairo to london trip?

this brings up a very interesting question - which bikes have been around the world the most and have done the most capetown to london trips?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 11:33:56 am
It's threads like these that make me want to quite being a moderator

the original post was a load of horse shit and I really don't want to read the rest of the thread although it's my job :(

thanks Fidel - you ass

Seems there are other grumpy smurfs in the woods today.  :)

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 11:37:32 am
CloudGaz - the GSC is not a test of machine. Riding from here to a remote African destination with no backup and means of repair is. Even finding yourself stuck in the Kalahari because your ABS doesnt like it, is potentially leathal.

Dont teach the owners that they can go anywhere any time. Teach them that they can do some mild offroad but stay close to a BM service shop.  :-\....sorry, that came out wrong  ;D.....Tell them that it is a complex and reasonably sensitive piece of equipment.

okay so what your saying is that bmw is unreliable  ???

what bike would you use to do around the world trip? what bike would you use to do a cape to cairo to london trip?

this brings up a very interesting question - which bikes have been around the world the most and have done the most capetown to london trips?

Thats what they said about the Land Rovers.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 11:37:53 am
How many incidents was at the RR this year? I know of quite a few! :pot:How many mean ass adventure riders on KTM's ended up in hospital at the RR? Unfortunately their was a really sad incident at the GS Challenge, but it could have happened at the RR as well!

First question answer:
2 incidents of broken bones. The first was dazed who hit the cow (he is btw an exceptionally competent rider) and the second was a chap who missed a turn hit an enbankment and a ditch and broke his hand
A lot of bikes had some scratches and scrapes from a few lay-downs

The statement:
Yes it could have happened at the RR, or even on a normal WD trip

Now an OBSERVATION:
I thought I imagined it last year, but it was confirmed this year
The average skill of the riders at the RR event was exceptionally high. I often felt as if I was at the bottom end of the food chain when it came to the skills displayed.
I wondered what the reason could be and it was partly answered by some of the conversations I heard
Long lost friends and mates met up at the RR and often the conversation moved to their PRE big trailie days. A lot of entrants have had prior MX experiences.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 11:37:54 am
It is funny that it is always people who do not own BMW's who start sh!t threads like this.




If the same was being done, claiming the KTM 640 to be a commuter/tourer, i would have the same concerns. Again, its about the marketing and business ethics.


I like BMs, and I like most of their owners......i just dont think the perception being created is reasonable.


CloudGaz - the GSC is not a test of machine. Riding from here to a remote African destination with no backup and means of repair is. Even finding yourself stuck in the Kalahari because your ABS doesnt like it, is potentially leathal.

Dont teach the owners that they can go anywhere any time. Teach them that they can do some mild offroad but stay close to a BM service shop.  :-\....sorry, that came out wrong  ;D.....Tell them that it is a complex and reasonably sensitive piece of equipment.



:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
I don't think you have any idea of what you are talking about.
Maybe do a couple of Google searches on what  ABS is and how it works before posting crap like that.
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Operator on October 02, 2008, 11:44:08 am
I had a BM and it was awesome. Now I R riding a Zook and it R more awesomer. They cannot have a Zook offroad challange, cause they cannot find terrain that is challenging enough.  :pot:
Apparently the reason they sent a probe to Mars

Excellent post.

Me and you can boldy go where no (some) GS can go on our Zooks................and the best part about it is that me and you don't stand around and make small talk to justify our choice of bike.

It is so lekka to stand on the sideline and listen to all this shit and not being involved. ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 11:46:51 am
i just wish Hylton would ride that fooking zookee.



Ja, he alost won a very short course barrel race, but my goodness man, how embarrassing to come anywhere else on a bike that weighs less than the taxbills on my desk.



I wonder if riding a fookinzookey goes hand in hand with a dopmeester?

 :pot:


hehehaha - what fun :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Smithey on October 02, 2008, 11:47:31 am
A lot of entrants have had prior MX experiences.

Ive seen this a lot. Its comforting sometimes when you get left in the dust to find out later that the rider has 10+ years MX riding under his belt.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 11:48:43 am
There would always be more casualties and broken bikes at a GS challenge than the KTM rally raid.
And it has nothing to do with either bikes. The average skill at the raid is higher at the GS challenge.

A lot of people who is entering the bike market for the first time knows nothing about bikes.
They all flock to BMW. Because the brand is more widely known than KTM's. And has a much better reputation in the market.
KTM has a big brand following in the biking community. But LOTS of non biking people does not even know what a
KTM is.
That means more newbies will ride BMW's. Thus the ave. skill level is down.
So they will fall more and break the bikes more. This is no reflection on the bike or its abilities.






Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Disselboom on October 02, 2008, 11:50:15 am
Mint R 1200 GS to swop for DRZ 400.To make it fair I'll settle for an oldish DRZ... :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: hh on October 02, 2008, 11:51:35 am
            Interesting debate this. BMW unreliable? That is debatable. Only one thing I am a bit apprehensive about the Beemers are the Engine Management Systems, electronics do give problems. But then I‚??ve been at weird and wonderful places with the old Dakie and after 153000km it is still going strong, although it is standing in the garage as a backup for the 800GeenSand. (hie hie hie)
          One thing to remember, BMW is a road bike that were given off-road capabilities while the KTM is an off road bike with road capabilities.
          Regarding Fidel‚??s Q: ‚??Are BMW and their clients not getting ahead of themselves slightly?‚?Ě  My answer to that is ‚??Know thy limits but, where is your sense of adventure.‚??
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2008, 11:59:01 am
Mint R 1200 GS to swop for DRZ 400.To make it fair I'll settle for an oldish DRZ... :biggrin:

Good luck with that...

How much you prepared to pay in...?   :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JohnST on October 02, 2008, 12:11:08 pm
Nah I think the GS is an awesome bike!! My problem is these guys that has never riddin a bike in their life and because of BMW's awesome marketing they go out and by a GS or even worse a GSA. R20k's kit and all of a sudden they are f_cking mean ass adventure riders!! That bites me!! Unfortunately only 20% of all GS owners can ride their bikes properly the rest are sissies!!

 :pot:

So you suggest that all newbies into DS biking will rather buy a GS than a KTM? So this suggest that KTM's marketing is up to nothing first of all. How many incidents was at the RR this year? I know of quite a few! :pot:How many mean ass adventure riders on KTM's ended up in hospital at the RR? Unfortunately their was a really sad incident at the GS Challenge, but it could have happened at the RR as well!

So it is not only GS riders that comes into the sport with no precious or very little previous biking experience, but also a lot of KTM riders!

I was not refering to GSC per se, most of those guys can ride or at least is learning. I refering to the other 4.5billion GS riders in Gauteng that can not climb a pavement!  ::)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: shark_za on October 02, 2008, 12:16:23 pm
I'll bite...

A riding buddy of mine and esteemed forum member has done the Red Route on a 1150 Adv every year WITH a pillion.
The bike is capable if the rider is up to it.

Its not a GSC phenomenon its an all round one. Newbies on bikes not riding all year and saving it all for the "challenge"

Just remember some members didn't want to ride a few 100km to the GM bash on dirt roads because they might hurt their KTM's ;)

Route selection should not be ego driven either, another riding mate went on a 950 and rode RR2 while I know he could do RR1 blindfolded on a 690.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 12:17:24 pm
It is funny that it is always people who do not own BMW's who start sh!t threads like this.




If the same was being done, claiming the KTM 640 to be a commuter/tourer, i would have the same concerns. Again, its about the marketing and business ethics.


I like BMs, and I like most of their owners......i just dont think the perception being created is reasonable.


CloudGaz - the GSC is not a test of machine. Riding from here to a remote African destination with no backup and means of repair is. Even finding yourself stuck in the Kalahari because your ABS doesnt like it, is potentially leathal.

Dont teach the owners that they can go anywhere any time. Teach them that they can do some mild offroad but stay close to a BM service shop.  :-\....sorry, that came out wrong  ;D.....Tell them that it is a complex and reasonably sensitive piece of equipment.



:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
I don't think you have any idea of what you are talking about.
Maybe do a couple of Google searches on what  ABS is and how it works before posting crap like that.
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:




ABS issues/computer issues/eletrical issues in such modern bikes (BMs and KTMs) are often a cause of a bikes standing. This is what i was getting at Popi.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 12:20:18 pm
Quote
A riding buddy of mine and esteemed forum member has done the Red Route on a 1150 Adv every year WITH a pillion.
The bike is capable if the rider is up to it.

Ja, but he is a demi-god when it comes to riding a big GS


Quote
Just remember some members didn't want to ride a few 100km to the GM bash on dirt roads because they might hurt their KTM's ;)

Ja, but we all knoe he is a sissie ;D

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JohnST on October 02, 2008, 12:22:06 pm

Quote
Just remember some members didn't want to ride a few 100km to the GM bash on dirt roads because they might hurt their KTM's ;)

Ja, but we all knoe he is a sissie ;D


[/quote]

Screw altwee julle pudding eating cowbow hippies!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 12:28:36 pm
There would always be more casualties and broken bikes at a GS challenge than the KTM rally raid.
And it has nothing to do with either bikes. The average skill at the raid is higher at the GS challenge.

A lot of people who is entering the bike market for the first time knows nothing about bikes.
They all flock to BMW. Because the brand is more widely known than KTM's. And has a much better reputation in the market.
KTM has a big brand following in the biking community. But LOTS of non biking people does not even know what a
KTM is.
That means more newbies will ride BMW's. Thus the ave. skill level is down.
So they will fall more and break the bikes more. This is no reflection on the bike or its abilities.









So once they have broken all the GSs and learnt to ride they go to KTM?  ;D

Just joking..... jire maar julle oens is sensitief. I'm not playing with your girlfriends tits, im talking about bikes here.

I agree that BM draws allot more clients due to their marketing and commercial/brand confidence.



Common LS, we're keeping you honest in keeping you busy  ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 12:30:20 pm
Impossible but imagine a GSC & RR at the same venue.....would there be time to ride after the exchange of blows or all be to pissed to ride... :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 12:32:55 pm
Fark. Can you imagine the ego's at THAT place PP..... (cant make it tonight btw)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 02, 2008, 12:33:28 pm
Impossible but imagine a GSC & RR at the same venue.....would there be time to ride after the exchange of blows or all be to pissed to ride... :ricky:

That's called the Wilddog bash ;D

Never moered anyone yet  ;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 02, 2008, 12:36:55 pm
There we go PP!!!

Thats actually the best idea yet.

Get everyone together and let them play in the same sandpit. No more bullshittting.

I actually wish Mercedes Benz will also make a 1000cc traillie, then all hell will break loose!!!

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 12:37:58 pm
Impossible but imagine a GSC & RR at the same venue.....would there be time to ride after the exchange of blows or all be to pissed to ride... :ricky:

By pissed you mean drunk  :3some: :3some: :3some: :3some: :3some:

VIVA Bash !!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Aicorner on October 02, 2008, 12:39:54 pm
I ride a BMW and I agree with everything that Fidel says.  BM can never be really good off road with telelever suspension.


But I think the comments about reliability (or lack thereof) and responsible marketing apply equally to KTM (to really be responsible shouldn't there be a proficiency test before the bike are sold or the GSC/RR entries accepsted ?)

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 12:43:03 pm
There we go PP!!!

Thats actually the best idea yet.

Get everyone together and let them play in the same sandpit. No more bullshittting.

I actually wish Mercedes Benz will also make a 1000cc traillie, then all hell will break loose!!!



But we should all ride our bikes there!!!  :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JourneyMan on October 02, 2008, 12:45:36 pm
Impossible but imagine a GSC & RR at the same venue.....would there be time to ride after the exchange of blows or all be to pissed to ride... :ricky:

No blows and not pissed either. (Seriously. Nannies capela whatever)

Ex-Bm riders, current BM riders, new KTM riders, old KTM rider and a Honda.  :biggrin:

All made it.  No one fell off on the day. All had a good time.


(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj22/GHJMan/IMG_0037.jpg)

(http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/3510/img0048xc3.jpg)


But the brand bashing will always be present!  :imaposer:

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r183/Plothond/JM%20Birthday%20run/JMBD112.jpg)



Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 12:51:39 pm
Wasn't there a Suzuki?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JourneyMan on October 02, 2008, 12:53:29 pm
O moer. Sorry. Ja.

Gryshond and his Strom. Not Honda.  :redface:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 12:55:14 pm
Very nice JM, that looks befok. Exactly the right spirit.

I guess whoever decides to do this type of ride has got to have the spirit, irrespective the bike and what the manufacturer tells you it can do.

I've had my fun for the morning.  ;)


PP, youve got a fewl idea there. The guys will just have to leave their HelMuts on all weekend. Safety first!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 12:57:05 pm
Actually........i was rather thinking along the lines of what brand should start first & against what class :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 01:01:43 pm
Pete you naughty boy. Youre normally very carefull. I like it!


I think one of my questions have been answered.

There is little to do with engineering and design principles here, its almost all about passion and the following you choose.

If you firmly believe that Vuka is the ultimate adventure bike, youlle make it work for you and find the right defenses.

Not that im comparing a BM to a Vuka! ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Snafu on October 02, 2008, 01:10:43 pm
Fidel, you are causing k@k, look at all the Beemers coming into the market after your post:

Leo: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23092.0;topicseen

Hentie: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23099.0;topicseen

jameyburgh: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23096.0;topicseen

you farking chasing everyone away man!! :P

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: bmad on October 02, 2008, 01:19:35 pm
Nothing like a can worms, eh Fidel  :biggrin:

Must be honest, i got bored after the first page so just skipped here as i can assume what all the other replies are.  ::)
But i would like to try and answer your question/s for you without causing sh*t.

All makes have very good marketing strategies and sales pitches, therefore they reap in the buyers big time. If you look a the amount of DS type bikes on the road, BM is dominating by far.  
One of the reasons i believe is that due to the numbers, people assume that it is a good bike. You take it on a dirt road, you manage well and then your confidence levels grow.

Then you need to put a bunch of boys and girls together with the same bikes and the testosterone levels step into play  >:D >:D
We all know what happens then. Now organise and event for all owners of said bikes and what do you get...


... a lot of guys capable of handling a bike well, and a lot of guys wanting to handle the bike well.
Like the KTM, Honda transalps, etc, there bikes are marketed as off roaders, therefore you need to use it offroad.

I know of a honda dealer in Gauteng that will tell you that the new Transalp is the best DS bike in the market, and it will kick ass against both KTM and BM.
So as anew entry t this market, who do you believe and how do you want to ride??

Somehow you will not get an answer to the questions you have, each rider buys his or her bike for their own reason and believe it is capable of doing what the want it to do  :biggrin: :biggrin:

I have no issue with tossing my 1150GSA around in De Wildt, as i have doe it before. It was seriously cool and my bike survived, will i do it again, sure i will, cause the salesman said it would survive  >:D >:D

Thanks for the entertaining thread.
My 25 000 000 000.00 Zim$ worth  :ricky:

 

 
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 01:22:04 pm
Ek is n under cover KTM agent.  8)

.....die pay is kark, maar die girls dig dit.  ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: dustsucker on October 02, 2008, 01:24:27 pm
Fidel, your`e mind is way too practical to understand the designers of BM`s logic as well as their riders`s and thus you will never be taken up into the engineering academy at Dash Auto, AGHTUNG!!....it is like those chandeliers at The Forum, the design and shape does not make all that sense, but...in the end, they give off light and it is good.  :D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: WanaBee on October 02, 2008, 01:41:44 pm
Fidel's hole idea is to get someone to sell his Beemer for cheep.
He took Fouriekop's Beemer for a spin and was hooked..............
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 02, 2008, 01:41:55 pm
I cannot help analysing the engineering and design aspects, its my orientation and curse.


When is see a bike with brake and gear levers that dont collapse/pivot, it think.....das ist nicht good, you fall, you bend or brake.

When is see sensors and wires from both wheel ends, waiting to get snagged on the tree stump in the river bed, or those thick branches on a cattle trail, i think........mmm achtung.

Those silly torx bolts that are lovely to torque down with an electronic tool in a high tech Auto fabriek but does not exist in the rest of Africa........eish

..or those flashing lights on the dash that light up like a bergies eyes when you give him a pack of siggies, but no one except Dr in science, Hans van den Ploes, has a clue what they mean.


Sulke kark pla my so bietjie. :)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Disselboom on October 02, 2008, 01:49:06 pm
Fidel's hole idea is to get someone to sell his Beemer for cheep.
He took Fouriekop's Beemer for a spin and was hooked..............

Don't you have to be this tall for that ride?---------- ;) :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: popipants on October 02, 2008, 02:00:37 pm
I cannot help analysing the engineering and design aspects, its my orientation and curse.


When is see a bike with brake and gear levers that dont collapse/pivot, it think.....das ist nicht good, you fall, you bend or brake.

When is see sensors and wires from both wheel ends, waiting to get snagged on the tree stump in the river bed, or those thick branches on a cattle trail, i think........mmm achtung.

Those silly torx bolts that are lovely to torque down with an electronic tool in a high tech Auto fabriek but does not exist in the rest of Africa........eish

..or those flashing lights on the dash that light up like a bergies eyes when you give him a pack of siggies, but no one except Dr in science, Hans van den Ploes, has a clue what they mean.


Sulke kark pla my so bietjie. :)

If you like to analyse so much. Why don't you give us a write up of what you recon are wrong with the KTM's?

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: >Herman< on October 02, 2008, 02:05:41 pm
If you like to analyse so much. Why don't you give us a write up of what you recon are wrong with the KTM's?

Oooohhhh that's easy - everything!  :laughing4:  :laughing4:

It spins to easy, eats rear tyres to fast, makes a hell of a noise, hard seat, big front tyre, kak lights, has a chain.... you name it.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2008, 02:08:17 pm
I cannot help analysing the engineering and design aspects, its my orientation and curse.


When is see a bike with brake and gear levers that dont collapse/pivot, it think.....das ist nicht good, you fall, you bend or brake.

When is see sensors and wires from both wheel ends, waiting to get snagged on the tree stump in the river bed, or those thick branches on a cattle trail, i think........mmm achtung.

Those silly torx bolts that are lovely to torque down with an electronic tool in a high tech Auto fabriek but does not exist in the rest of Africa........eish

..or those flashing lights on the dash that light up like a bergies eyes when you give him a pack of siggies, but no one except Dr in science, Hans van den Ploes, has a clue what they mean.


Sulke kark pla my so bietjie. :)

But why are you bitching, you ride a KTM, you spend your money on a kTM, are you feeling sorry for the BMW oke's because they wasted their money on such a shit bike?

Thanks for taking up the cause for the poor sods, but I am sure they're okay with the commuter.  ;)

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: mountainboy on October 02, 2008, 02:20:41 pm
Fidel, my freaking hero  :thumleft:

you got these boys to spin for 5 pages!!!

takes skill to do that with what is essentially an old topic - respect  :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: plonker on October 02, 2008, 02:29:31 pm
I could swear that KTM started RR cause the Orange guys felt so left out on their 230 kg Katooms with plastic,light aliminium engines parts and electronics not designed for swimming.This RR thing must stop cause guys spend fortunes on 990's just for Gloverbox to mess them up.Butch asked him to set toughies as his parts division is a bit down on turnover this year. :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 02:31:28 pm
If you like to analyse so much. Why don't you give us a write up of what you recon are wrong with the KTM's?

Oooohhhh that's easy - everything!  :laughing4:  :laughing4:

It spins to easy, eats rear tyres to fast, makes a hell of a noise, hard seat, big front tyre, kak lights, has a chain.... you name it.
Not forgetting skew fairing, lots of vibration, rims ding easily & many have a weave.....
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: sillystunt on October 02, 2008, 02:33:06 pm
hi guys
can somebody point me to previous posts of fidels,i would like to see photos of his rides[how extreme are they]
 and what number was he at the gs challenge?and what year did he take part.
and if he moved to a ktm what number was he at this years event?
thanks.
ps
have done the red route on the 1100gs,hp2,1150 adventure and a 650x challenge along with the sabie challenge red route with a pillion,the bikes enjoyed it and so far no problems.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 02:33:48 pm
I could swear that KTM started RR cause the Orange guys felt so left out on their 230 kg Katooms with plastic,light aliminium engines parts and electronics not designed for swimming.This RR thing must stop cause guys spend fortunes on 990's just for Gloverbox to mess them up.Butch asked him to set toughies as his parts division is a bit down on turnover this year. :pot:
Kark...all i need is 1 fresh indicator....thats not so bad huh !
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: plonker on October 02, 2008, 02:38:34 pm
I could swear that KTM started RR cause the Orange guys felt so left out on their 230 kg Katooms with plastic,light aliminium engines parts and electronics not designed for swimming.This RR thing must stop cause guys spend fortunes on 990's just for Gloverbox to mess them up.Butch asked him to set toughies as his parts division is a bit down on turnover this year. :pot:
Kark...all i need is 1 fresh indicator....thats not so bad huh !
Should have taken them off.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mark Hardy on October 02, 2008, 02:41:08 pm
hi guys
can somebody point me to previous posts of fidels,i would like to see photos of his rides[how extreme are they]
 and what number was he at the gs challenge?and what year did he take part.
and if he moved to a ktm what number was he at this years event?
thanks.
ps
have done the red route on the 1100gs,hp2,1150 adventure and a 650x challenge along with the sabie challenge red route with a pillion,the bikes enjoyed it and so far no problems.

and now we start the pissing contest..... ;) :biggrin:


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 02:42:07 pm
Should have taken them off.

No need Ready to Race remember? :mwink: :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 02:44:08 pm
Should have taken them off.

No need Ready to Race remember? :mwink: :pot:
You see there was this rock & then a tree & ballbearings & then a....
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Paulsky on October 02, 2008, 02:45:55 pm
How challenging can the Red route be if you can still take a pillion? and what's the point of that, it's kak for the rider and kak for the pillion. The KTM RR1 is so difficult that they recommend not having a full tank of gas, no chain lube and hitting the sand box beforehand to save weight. >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Hondsekierie on October 02, 2008, 02:57:06 pm
As ek die ding so kyk sal ek eers met BMW moet gaan baklei omdat hulle my so om die bos kon lei met hulle produk - bastids - my refund geld gebruik om hardcore te raak (Castro, hoop jy't tyd) en hopelik eendag toegelaat word om die Darkside te join en saam die groot honne te kan pis.

What a revelation, of is dit revolution Fidel
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: shark_za on October 02, 2008, 02:59:29 pm
hi guys
can somebody point me to previous posts of fidels,i would like to see photos of his rides[how extreme are they]
 and what number was he at the gs challenge?and what year did he take part.
and if he moved to a ktm what number was he at this years event?
thanks.
ps
have done the red route on the 1100gs,hp2,1150 adventure and a 650x challenge along with the sabie challenge red route with a pillion,the bikes enjoyed it and so far no problems.
Fidel is a legend man. He beat Lito in his moer in the other day.
And we all know how good he is.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 02, 2008, 03:05:53 pm
 :happy1: :happy1:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2008, 03:07:58 pm
Bliksem, I get that testosterone cat piss smell from this thread again.  :eek7:


 :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 02, 2008, 03:13:44 pm
once I manage to hook second you guys will all be in the kark  :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 03:19:13 pm
Fidel is a legend man. He beat Lito in his moer in the other day.
And we all know how good he is.


You were there? I didnt spot any beached whales? Anyone?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 02, 2008, 03:21:02 pm
once I manage to hook second you guys will all be in the kark  :ricky:

;D ;D :D :D :D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JourneyMan on October 02, 2008, 03:23:33 pm
Bliksem, I get that testosterone cat piss smell from this thread again.  :eek7:


 :imaposer:

Oh. I thought it was myself pissing myself laughing.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Snafu on October 02, 2008, 03:24:12 pm
hi guys
can somebody point me to previous posts of fidels,i would like to see photos of his rides[how extreme are they]
 and what number was he at the gs challenge?and what year did he take part.
and if he moved to a ktm what number was he at this years event?
thanks.
ps
have done the red route on the 1100gs,hp2,1150 adventure and a 650x challenge along with the sabie challenge red route with a pillion,the bikes enjoyed it and so far no problems.

Dont you worry about ol Castro, he only drinks beer and CAN piss.
Hardcore!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2008, 03:31:24 pm
Bliksem, I get that testosterone cat piss smell from this thread again.  :eek7:

 :imaposer:

Oh. I thought it was myself pissing myself laughing.  :biggrin:

No that was just the Castle piss you were smelling, the cat piss is form this thread, very distinct ego smelling.  ;) :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JourneyMan on October 02, 2008, 03:37:08 pm
Bliksem, I get that testosterone cat piss smell from this thread again.  :eek7:

 :imaposer:

Oh. I thought it was myself pissing myself laughing.  :biggrin:

No that was just the Castle piss you were smelling, the cat piss is form this thread, very distinct ego smelling.  ;) :imaposer:

What! You saying I have no testosterone?  :patch:

My piss also smells like testosterone. Really. Next time you see me I'll let you have a whiff. Fark! :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2008, 03:38:00 pm
Fok, nee ek glo jou. !! :eek7: :D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 03:38:13 pm
Lito, ffs, man, play clean, no need to get insulting. Come on.  :)

ag sorry man. if i promise to ride slow with sharkie, will you forgive me?


 :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 02, 2008, 03:41:16 pm
Lito, ffs, man, play clean, no need to get insulting. Come on.  :)

ag sorry man. if i promise to ride slow with sharkie, will you forgive me?


 :biggrin:

Only if you give him change to pass you now and then.  ;) :)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 03:49:40 pm
Lito, ffs, man, play clean, no need to get insulting. Come on.  :)

ag sorry man. if i promise to ride slow with sharkie, will you forgive me?


 :biggrin:

Only if you give him change to pass you now and then.  ;) :)


But how much change does he need? Is it for petrol? 10c? 5c? He should pass me often! With gas  :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Watty on October 02, 2008, 05:14:10 pm
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/signs138.gif)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 02, 2008, 05:15:50 pm
While everyone in this wide big world have the right to their own opinion, the simple fact remains, that I really don't give a rat's ass of what you think of the bike I ride nor of where and how I ride it.....  Ek het nog nooit met 'n ander ou se p..l lekkerder gen..i as met my eie een nie......  So thanx for all YOUR opinions of MY bike..... I'm really taking it to heart ----- not..... ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Adventurer on October 02, 2008, 05:19:14 pm
While everyone in this wide big world have the right to their own opinion, the simple fact remains, that I really don't give a rat's ass of what you think of the bike I ride nor of where and how I ride it.....  Ek het nog nooit met 'n ander ou se p..l lekkerder gen..i as met my eie een nie......  So thanx for all YOUR opinions of MY bike..... I'm really taking it to heart ----- not..... ;D

H, you own a 'Legend', different kettle of fish there... :thumleft: 8)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 05:20:05 pm
BMW Training Camp  :pot:

(http://onlineoffroadtours.com.au/tour_blog/media/blogs/links/rod_finke65.jpg)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 05:27:56 pm
RIDER training

(http://images.google.co.za/imgres?imgurl=http://lh4.ggpht.com/_xYk11OGY7tU/SGNn7NTAVJI/AAAAAAAAC64/DGF4-gQYGXc/DSC01028.JPG&imgrefurl=http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ocI_4_wuscI8svpH2WVylw&h=1200&w=1600&sz=24&hl=en&start=5&usg=__glPznDG2wIxcOuuMKt5rgiIuMF0=&tbnid=j9Hc21JQtzC3eM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DPushing%2Ba%2Bbike%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 02, 2008, 05:30:49 pm
dammit I meant

RIDER training
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 05:42:11 pm
While everyone in this wide big world have the right to their own opinion, the simple fact remains, that I really don't give a rat's ass of what you think of the bike I ride nor of where and how I ride it.....  Ek het nog nooit met 'n ander ou se p..l lekkerder gen..i as met my eie een nie......  So thanx for all YOUR opinions of MY bike..... I'm really taking it to heart ----- not..... ;D


if you ride such a kief bike, gooi a ride report. I reckon you just full of hot air...





 :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 02, 2008, 06:07:26 pm
Even better, i'll show you my bike (which I don't care what others think of) on 8Nov at Caledon river on the 08 bash!!!!!!  You can sommer write the RR and take the pics - see you there??????

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 02, 2008, 06:11:22 pm
 :imaposer:

I'll be there if you write the RR  :biggrin: - hopefully you show me!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Hondsekierie on October 02, 2008, 06:42:22 pm
Oh Gawd, who wants to be the meanest here?? As julle nie nou ophou met hierdie kubaanse kak steel ek al die petrol uit julle bikes
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 03, 2008, 12:18:39 am
Not play pics bro - real life, are you there or not.....?   Lets do the ride instead of writing about it.....  i'm there... real life  ..... are you????    - thought so....
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: funacide on October 03, 2008, 12:36:43 am
Quote from: KiLRoy
While everyone in this wide big world have the right to their own opinion, the simple fact remains, that I really don't give a rat's ass of what you think of the bike I ride nor of where and how I ride it.....  Ek het nog nooit met 'n ander ou se p..l lekkerder gen..i as met my eie een nie......  So thanx for all YOUR opinions of MY bike..... I'm really taking it to heart ----- not..... Grin

I Agree with Kilroy. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks of my bike.... They don't have to ride it I do... Instead of talking so much shit rather go out and ride a bit...
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Zonkelmonk on October 03, 2008, 02:21:56 am
This topic has been discussed to DEATH!!!

And we all have agreed that BMW are absolutely the crapiest bike you can ever buy; and the people who buys it should be shot on site and their bodies left in the sun as a warning to any other potential buyer.

o..and before I forget. KTM's are the best bikes ever made and that will ever be made.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P


Now that every has heard what they wanted, can we talk about something more interesting?


My Dear Fidel

I agree wholeheartly with popi. The GS is the k@kkest bike even build and 99.9% of the buyers bought it after watching the Charlie/Ewan DvD's. Furthermore all the accidents etc happened at the GSC is the bikes fault and the whole GSC is a ploy from BM to get their workshops full.

Regards
Ama


agree. It is the karest bike and get over it. There is so many reasons why people like me doing adventure trips would love to have the BM, but no worry, it is a kark bike. Well, the price yes. Curse you BMW!! If I only were rich.

No seriously, it is a kark bike, and those rich buyers, you are all kark!! damn you all!!!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Zonkelmonk on October 03, 2008, 02:32:43 am
Honestly, Fidel, I am amazed that you (old timer) would ask this question. Dope!! I reason we have all gone through this and it has nothing to do with the bike.

And again I will stick out my neck and say this, "It was Lito on a BMW that inspired me to become what I am on a bike. He always smiled and falling was so much part of the fun." Now these days, Lito is kind of agro. But even that has nothing to do with the bike.

BMW, KTM, Kawa, Honda. I just love them all and keep watching this forum; Zonkelnut is going on a LOOOONNNGGGG ride! Yip, and that on a simple street bike, a Versus!

And like the Transalp, bring some serious questions about the bikes and their riders.

Everything is sold and Bike ready and packed. Here I go ... and may I defeat the evil witch that took my crown away. But until then I will be known in the Nomad Race until I defeat her and put the fairy princess where she belongs.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: TCS on October 03, 2008, 05:02:30 am
For me its all about needs, ability, and own choice........... If a bike fullfill my needs and suite my ability and i like it, Thats my choice. I believe the GS is a legend in its own time........ BUT....... i dont like it......... i dont like its looks, sound, price, etc.........

I am a V-Twin guy when it come to duelies............ they sound awesome specialy with aftermarket pipes....... , when you press the starter button they do not sound like a (koffieblik vol pitte) .

I am not a real biker cos i dont own a GS, and i don't do the heavy technical off road stuff. I am more a road rider Own a GTR 1400 aswel) But love traveling offroad gravel highways.

I just think every one got his own needs and when the bike tickels your fancy go for it.

I wanted to buy a GS in the last couple of months cos all my friends either own one or wants one..... and i just realised after i spent some time on a couple of them that i will never be happy on one...........
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: >Herman< on October 03, 2008, 07:20:01 am
Quote from: KiLRoy
While everyone in this wide big world have the right to their own opinion, the simple fact remains, that I really don't give a rat's ass of what you think of the bike I ride nor of where and how I ride it.....  Ek het nog nooit met 'n ander ou se p..l lekkerder gen..i as met my eie een nie......  So thanx for all YOUR opinions of MY bike..... I'm really taking it to heart ----- not..... Grin

I Agree with Kilroy. I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks of my bike.... They don't have to ride it I do... Instead of talking so much shit rather go out and ride a bit...



Ag shame, maar julle twee is lekker ernstig.  :3some:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Excalibur on October 03, 2008, 07:55:03 am
Ek is ok nie n "biker" nie. n "Biker" is n ding wie se sussie spyker vir viskoppies oppie hawe. Me, I are a "adventure rider" :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 03, 2008, 07:58:05 am
Gata-patata
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mark Hardy on October 03, 2008, 08:14:37 am
 ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: chicco on October 03, 2008, 08:21:58 am
After the RR I concluded that the 990 is not the perfect tool for serious playing...just to heavy for me, I'm trading my 990 in on a 690 and buying a  BMW 1200 ADV (R120 000 WITH ALL THE EXTRAS , 4200km 2007 is this a bargain?) for those long trips.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 03, 2008, 08:37:36 am
Please refer to reply no 2, yesterday, by yours truly...

Get your raincoats, theres a shit storm on the way...

Is there a "I-told-you-so" smiley...?  :lamer:

I wish someone would byt my Suzuki kak, so I can also get lekker moerig.  :bueller:

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 03, 2008, 08:39:40 am
Please refer to reply no 2, yesterday, by yours truly...

Get your raincoats, theres a shit storm on the way...

Is there a "I-told-you-so" smiley...?  :lamer:

I wish someone would byt my Suzuki kak, so I can also get lekker moerig.  :bueller:




Go to the "small bikes thread"  :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 08:58:33 am
Please refer to reply no 2, yesterday, by yours truly...

Get your raincoats, theres a shit storm on the way...

Is there a "I-told-you-so" smiley...?  :lamer:

I wish someone would byt my Suzuki kak, so I can also get lekker moerig.  :bueller:



Well, we all know your bike couldn't compete in the 'long distance touring' dept - it's actually got to finish a long trip for that...





:pot:  :pot:

 :peepwall:

 :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 03, 2008, 09:12:07 am
Baastids!!!

I just decided to finish my trip in Caledon in stead of CT...

It was very cold and I much preferred my girlfriend to come fetch me with the cage...
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 09:13:16 am
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 03, 2008, 09:15:10 am
BTW, I was towed the last 10km into Caledon...

By a 1200 GS!!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 09:16:01 am
BTW, I was towed the last 10km into Caledon...

By a 1200 GS!!!

Dude - you're hijacking your own fight!

;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Obi -Wan on October 03, 2008, 09:43:06 am
This has been said before and I will say it again - The GS - And here I am referring specifically to the Boxers - is not the best at everything it does  but it is capable of doing many things reasonably well - now go and find a bike that offers these atrributes that compares with the GS . That's why it is so popular.

I must tell my mate to sell his unreliable POS GS.  After all , in 10 years and 150,000 kms the original Osram tailight bulb packed up last week-end in Thabazimbi. What a crappy bike - Fortunately  for us it was only 41 degrees C and we had all our panniers and our wives with us and the bikes managed to make it to Pontdrift and back to JHB (ANOTHER 1000 KMS ) but we obviously got lucky!

Get your head out of the sand and open your mind to many things my son - I know my bike is not a 990 KTM or whatever other brand but respect the other guys choice even if you don't agree with it.   
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 03, 2008, 09:44:49 am
BTW, I was towed the last 10km into Caledon...

By a 1200 GS!!!

Dude - you're hijacking your own fight!

;D

He's a dom sooizoikee rider - you cant blame him.  ::)



 >:D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 09:51:25 am
;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 03, 2008, 10:19:28 am
He's a dom sooizoikee rider - you cant blame him.  ::)
 >:D
The correct grammar R as follow

He R a dom zooki rider


Who R dom now
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 03, 2008, 10:44:45 am
Avatar Title fixed.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mark Hardy on October 03, 2008, 10:55:12 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: dustsucker on October 03, 2008, 11:08:23 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 03, 2008, 11:15:17 am
Avatar Title fixed.




Fack, thas funny :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

Spite yourself now and buy one..... :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Beemer Man (RIP) on October 03, 2008, 11:26:26 am
Never realized until this thread how Kak sleg I am!!! ???
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Paulsky on October 03, 2008, 11:28:21 am
I can't believe you Bee Em okes even show your faces in public! I'm embarresed for your okes sake :P
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: DRAZIL on October 03, 2008, 12:06:34 pm
Holy s--t , I did not realise I had a kak bike . I will take my luftwaffle engine out ,put it into a microlight and piss on all you hotheads on this thread! :imaposer:
Enjoy what you have, some people cannot even buy a bicycle.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 03, 2008, 12:10:26 pm
buy a bicycle.

Good trade-in advice... :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 03, 2008, 12:10:49 pm
Ag....at least most of you BM okes have a sence of humour.  ;) Piele.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 12:19:32 pm
Avatar Title fixed.


Bwahahahahaha!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 03, 2008, 12:33:44 pm
 :imaposer: Nice reposte  :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 03, 2008, 12:39:41 pm
I once rode my Zook so fast that my pants caught fire :evil6:

(http://lh4.google.com/HRRobson/R4418tPjN-I/AAAAAAAAAYA/-GvWzf5yGSM/s800/IMG_0914.JPG)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Bus on October 03, 2008, 12:42:05 pm
Or it was that hot curry...?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: BigEd on October 03, 2008, 01:04:40 pm
I once rode my Zook so fast that my pants caught fire :evil6:

(http://lh4.google.com/HRRobson/R4418tPjN-I/AAAAAAAAAYA/-GvWzf5yGSM/s800/IMG_0914.JPG)

I think you farted after a heavy night out... :eek:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 01:51:13 pm
Isn't it time that Adventurer hands over the stirrer spoon ?

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Adventurer on October 03, 2008, 01:54:37 pm
Isn't it time that Adventurer hands over the stirrer spoon ?



Uiltjie is the spoon allocator. :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 02:00:00 pm
Isn't it time that Adventurer hands over the stirrer spoon ?



Uiltjie is the spoon allocator. :thumleft:

Oh sh!it...

Uiltjie ? Our own dark side KTM prophet being the mediator in a KTM/GS fight ?

I smell an issue...

 :patch: :patch:


;D ;D ;D



Btw - I just saw this on the banner now - maybe GS's isn't that good with water crossings...

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/Themes/WildDog/images/rotating/left/179.jpg)

;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: BiG DoM on October 03, 2008, 02:05:28 pm
[


Btw - I just saw this on the banner now - maybe GS's isn't that good with water crossings...

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/Themes/WildDog/images/rotating/left/179.jpg)

;D ;D ;D ;D


What you cannot see in the pick is that he is walking it through with a KTM in tow (much the same as was seen en route to the Wild Dog bash last year, if memory... ???)

Anyway what were you saying about  GS's and water crossings? ....
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Operator on October 03, 2008, 02:12:32 pm
That picture is photoshop..........for sure !!!

No way a GS can do that. You know it  and I know it !!  :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 03, 2008, 02:13:14 pm

What you cannot see in the pick is that he is walking it through with a KTM in tow (much the same as was seen en route to the Wild Dog bash last year, if memory... ???)

I think that was from a hanging bridge where the guy lost his footing and bliksem'd into the river below...



Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 03, 2008, 02:16:10 pm
It only looks that deep cause the front wheel is so small  :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Operator on October 03, 2008, 02:19:47 pm
It only looks that deep cause the front wheel is so small  :pot:

Makes a lot of sense  :patch:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: edgy on October 03, 2008, 03:00:40 pm
It only looks that deep cause the front wheel is so small  :pot:

Makes a lot of sense  :patch:
:imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Stofstreep on October 03, 2008, 03:37:38 pm
Between the KTM and BMW the KLR is the oiliest!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Yefimovich≤ on October 03, 2008, 03:43:52 pm
Between the KTM and BMW the KLR is the oiliest!! ;D ;D
:imaposer: :imaposer:

Now really looking for kark! 
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 03, 2008, 03:46:44 pm
Between the KTM and BMW the KLR is the oiliest!! ;D ;D

Passop daai KLR ouens steek mes...
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Stofstreep on October 03, 2008, 03:51:15 pm
Ek is self n KLR o!!
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 03, 2008, 03:56:09 pm
Ek is self n KLR o!!

Sh#t eks jammer ek hettie gewietie, ek trek dit als terug  :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Stofstreep on October 03, 2008, 03:58:50 pm
:imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: BiG DoM on October 03, 2008, 04:05:22 pm
KLR ... vs... GS ... sheet talking messe ... that is really like taking a knife to a gunfight if ever!  :pottytrain2:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Excalibur on October 03, 2008, 04:16:36 pm
Ek het ok gehoor die "plaasbike" ryers doen snaakse goed, snuif matgom, eet voetpoeier op toast en drink AFTUR,fok!!!! :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: The TRANSPORTER on October 03, 2008, 04:48:22 pm
Klom fakers............mwahahahaha........... :pot: :pot:

BMW bly maar n lekker bike.....die 1150 was lekker maar verkies die 1100 se box,maar die 1200 nog beter en die HP2 wow.........wat meer wil jy weet.......... :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Vra vir Aquatic hoe het daai 650 EN 1200's EN ADVENTURES op die Sabie Challenge rooi roete gedoen ,jy sal verbaas wees chom........ :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 03, 2008, 05:33:33 pm
Thats why innie kaap ry ons sondag die 12th to sort this shit out.....and you know what...the guys will be real pussys 'cos they are not behind their keyboards! >:D or not :biggrin:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Operator on October 03, 2008, 10:57:26 pm
Thats why innie kaap ry ons sondag die 12th to sort this shit out.....and you know what...the guys will be real pussys 'cos they are not behind their keyboards! >:D or not :biggrin:

Pete............your gonna be so pissed if your sunshine is gonna be
spoiled by a pissass BMW.............Yes, yes I know that
BMW is k*k but just imagine for a moment...... :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 04, 2008, 07:07:09 am
Thats why innie kaap ry ons sondag die 12th to sort this shit out.....and you know what...the guys will be real pussys 'cos they are not behind their keyboards! >:D or not :biggrin:

Pete............your gonna be so pissed if your sunshine is gonna be
spoiled by a pissass BMW.............Yes, yes I know that
BMW is k*k but just imagine for a moment...... :pot:
I'm no brand basher as you might have noticed...just looking for a big multi brand outride! & any oakes wiv issues get the gap to sort..
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 04, 2008, 08:12:47 am
you okes take this shit tooooo seriously.... who gives a crap man.

do you love your bike? frikking awesome  :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: dustsucker on October 04, 2008, 10:47:30 am
Ek het ok gehoor die "plaasbike" ryers doen snaakse goed, snuif matgom, eet voetpoeier op toast en drink AFTUR,fok!!!! :pot:

 :D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 04, 2008, 04:39:03 pm
you okes take this shit tooooo seriously.... who gives a crap man.

do you love your bike? frikking awesome  :thumleft:
My sentiments exactly....so we'll see you on the 12th then...?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fourie-kop on October 05, 2008, 10:14:25 am
Ooo fok, ek dag ek sit maar 'n pic van Fidel en sy liefde vir beemers op... just to replace the past 1000 words....

PS: Die beemer is kan sand ry...hehe :pot:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Ratel on October 05, 2008, 11:19:16 am
Hoekom p!s daai ou op die BM se voor wiel?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fourie-kop on October 05, 2008, 01:39:14 pm
Hoekom p!s daai ou op die BM se voor wiel?
:laughing4: :laughing4:

Dis Fidel wat teen my wiel piss soos die Jack Russell wat hy is....... Dit was laas naweek op een befokte trip saam met daai kort gat. Vir die wat daai etter nie ken nie... hy het julle laat byt... en die wat nie tussen die lyne kan lees nie, dis glad nie 'n BM vs KTM ding nie. :dousing: Dit is watter fiets sal die job doen in africa met die minste kak????? "dis nie wat jy ry nie, dis hoe jy dit ry"

Fidel jou naaier :pot: :pot: lol
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 05, 2008, 07:54:21 pm
slightly short of a length ??
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 05, 2008, 08:52:18 pm
na, that would be a kak thing to do Michnus.  Its been the best entertainment since my "where are the mods ride reports" that Hein refuses to answer to  >:D


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 05, 2008, 09:16:01 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23216.msg402480#msg402480

answered and links provided

Now will you answer my question?  Will i see you at the bash, or are you just an online persona?? ;) ;D

H
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 05, 2008, 09:24:12 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23216.msg402480#msg402480

answered and links provided

Now will you answer my question?  Will i see you at the bash, or are you just an online persona?? ;) ;D

H

Oh I did answer it Heinster, exactly where you asked it last... I guess you must become familiar with that search button again.... :deal:


 :biggrin: ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 05, 2008, 09:28:29 pm
point me plse answerer of many questions - are you joining?  stunning place....
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 05, 2008, 09:52:16 pm
The suspense is killing me - will he or won't he.......   How many bashes before.....?  We did had a lekka one in Hogs way back??
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 05, 2008, 09:56:17 pm
Ag, I dont know really.......... maybe.maybe not.

Not likely though. I am skeered of travelling more than 20kays outside my house, dontcha know?  :deal:

(and I ride a forken ktm too ) >:D


Yeah I remember Hogs Back really well. Michnus graced us with his prescence, and a bunch of other ou's (Poephol Jack etc), Wyno, Rudi, and Hilde. Good times  :deal:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 05, 2008, 10:05:49 pm
make a plan stan - love parts of the country.  I've been wingshooting on that and the surrounding farms for 7 years now - awesome

Me and Plottie was chatting - if we can get a gauteng bakkie - to bring some traps, clay targets and shotguns down - lekka fun.  fly fishing too - camp right next to the caledon river
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Plothond on October 05, 2008, 10:08:41 pm
eish.......

kannie wag nie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 05, 2008, 10:27:43 pm
Lekker, will see. I havent really checked that thread. Now, I'll stop posting to boost my km/post ratio  >:D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mzee on October 06, 2008, 11:08:22 am
At the risk of offending the beemer dudes, among others, I honestly think Fidel asked a reasonable question if you like a logical question - he even spelt out what it is he was asking.  Unfortunately, as with any question, one can choose to answer it according to how it has been understood.  There are those who feel attacked, those who joined in for fun, there are the spoilers, etc.  A lot of emotions here have ruined what would have been an interesting discussion.  My 2 cents.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 06, 2008, 11:27:21 am
:peepwall:At the risk of offending the beemer dudes, I honestly think Fidel asked a reasonable question if you like a logical question - he even spelt out what it is he was asking.  Unfortunately, with any question, one can choose to answer it according to how it has been understood.  There are those who feel attacked, those who joined in for fun, there are the spoilers, etc.  A lot of emotions here have ruined what would have been an interesting discussion.  My 2 cents.

To come back then to the question.

In my mind you have to consider another question 1st:

What do you consider dual sport and adventure riding?


Once that question is answered you can start debating the issue of what bike is good for what application.


To me DS and adventure riding is getting the wife on the back and getting to far away places.
But going as fast as possible is never in that equation.


I've been in very hairy situations and rough patches with my 1100 - it's NEVER let me down and up to now I've dropped it once (on very slipery snot that I didn't know was slippery snot).

I've been on 4x4 routes (with and without my wife on the back) and I've at least once chased Topbox on his XR down one of those routes.

If your objective/definition of adventure riding includes going as fast as you can and pushing the envelope the whole time then you will make statements like Fidel did.

It does however show (to me) a rather one sided point of view with regards to DS biking.

Like the difference of the discription of a 'pillion friendly ride' if you would ask me or Lito.

My wife will not enjoy (and me neither) if I took her on a 'play day' at Atlantis dunes (as Lito's partner does - respect to her and Lito though)

But she trusts me completely and enjoys being at the back crawling at 1200 rpm up and over some serious 4x4 routes, ruts, holes and ditches, watercrossings and some interesting passes.


If you say the big GS probably isn't the best tool for 'enduro style' offroad I'll probably agree with you. Even if it can handle the style in the right hands I can never shake the feeling that I'm abusing it (when I do it). That doesn't mean it can't do it...


But if someone look upon 'dual sport riding' and make blanket assumptions about it as if there is only one style and then make a statement like some of the above - I will say: 'Bullshit'

And someone who labels GS' as unreliable or prone to breaking just plainly don't know what they are talking about...

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 06, 2008, 11:36:04 am
Short answer:

If it's your GS and you want to take it on a BMX course, so be it.

You will probably reach the end of your abillity before the bike does...


Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Poffmuis on October 06, 2008, 12:20:20 pm
chased Topbox on his XR down one of those routes.

that doesn't prove anything, a baby in a pram could do that...  :ricky:
more specifically http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-scooters-motorcycles-motorbikes-suped-up-pram-W0QQAdIdZ78429708
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Eisbein on October 06, 2008, 12:24:57 pm
chased Topbox on his XR down one of those routes.

that doesn't prove anything, a baby in a pram could do that...  :ricky:
more specifically http://capetown.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-for-Sale-scooters-motorcycles-motorbikes-suped-up-pram-W0QQAdIdZ78429708


Hahahahahahahaha!

You're right.

Now just stand still while I reload...



::) ::)


Point was that you could use things for what they weren't necesarilly designed for...

;D ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Chrissie B on October 06, 2008, 01:13:28 pm
Nah I think the GS is an awesome bike!! My problem is these guys that has never riddin a bike in their life and because of BMW's awesome marketing they go out and by a GS or even worse a GSA. R20k's kit and all of a sudden they are f_cking mean ass adventure riders!! That bites me!! Unfortunately only 20% of all GS owners can ride their bikes properly the rest are sissies!!

 :pot:

So you suggest that all newbies into DS biking will rather buy a GS than a KTM? So this suggest that KTM's marketing is up to nothing first of all. How many incidents was at the RR this year? I know of quite a few! :pot:How many mean ass adventure riders on KTM's ended up in hospital at the RR? Unfortunately their was a really sad incident at the GS Challenge, but it could have happened at the RR as well!

So it is not only GS riders that comes into the sport with no precious or very little previous biking experience, but also a lot of KTM riders!

I reckon less experienced riders usually won't buy a KTM... a Beemer makes so much more sense.  I've ridden a few KTM's but never off road, they scare the living daylights outta me, anyway, to ride a KTM you have to be a 'windgat' and you have to be able to pop wheelies and do stoppies... it goes with the image!

Beemers are more comfy and they have good backup sevice, and nice sales staff (Mikedabike and Tazzman), which I can't say for KTM.

Now you may ask - why do I ride a Honda... cos it's better than the others.... ok ok, my BMW Dakar was stolen and I could't afford another Beemer, and I'd have to learn to wheelie before I can get myself the KTM990.  Besides, I think the Africa Twin is the best bike for me, It's great on and off road, it's paid for and I don't get all tearful when I drop it, which is fairly frequently.

As for the 'Challenge', I think anyone who participates in the red route is crazy, where's the fun in being terrified and messing up your bike?  Just to show that you're better than the rest of us who can't take part because we ride Hondas and other funny bikes and who wouldn't go anyway because we actually like to enjoy myself out there and not tiotally destroy our bikes!

As for the fatal incident, I don't know what actually happened, but when you ride a bike, especially in terrain like that... there is always that chance.  But having said that, I ride on the road almost every day, sometimes in heavy traffic, I reckon that is probably even more dangerous. 

I think the Beemers are very capable machines (my 'other' half has the 1150GS), we have gone through some really difficult stuff (in Lesotho) and the Beemers made it all the way, despite some falls.  They are made to go off road, but they are not made to go racing, ... you can do all the tricky stuff, but do it like a gentlemen (or Lady), not like a hooligan, they have such amazing power that you don't need to floor it to get over stuff, just ease them on firmly and they will go anywhwere.

Anyway, that's my opinion..





Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: fixit on October 06, 2008, 04:38:00 pm


Michnus

Quote
The KTM is just as heavy, have just as much reliability problems, and there 1200's through Angola but not one 950/990, again, things this skilled biker knew before he posted.

This type of statement has always bothered me?

Shortly, I will be in the market for another bike, but reading statements like this always gives me the impression that both the KTM & BM owners tend to hide the real truths about reliability on these machines. This sort of puts the fear into me and I put on the brakes every time I think about buying. Or am I mistaken? Was this just a slip on the keyboard? ???

I know the older machines have proven reliability, but what are the real truths behind the new 1200's and the KTM's for that matter.

What can I expect if do decide to buy either of the two.  :ricky:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 06, 2008, 04:53:18 pm
imo if someone today don't understand the different dynamics and attributes of a KTM vs BM - then they are either a noob, can't read or are just stirring.  The opinions and articles have explained it in great detail.  Maybe KTM and BM riders asking these questions are just trying to justify their own decisions.....  This such a kak topic, much like the Cruiser vs LR debates ......  farking boring

H
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Disselboom on October 06, 2008, 04:57:37 pm


Michnus

Quote
The KTM is just as heavy, have just as much reliability problems, and there 1200's through Angola but not one 950/990, again, things this skilled biker knew before he posted.

This type of statement has always bothered me?

Shortly, I will be in the market for another bike, but reading statements like this always gives me the impression that both the KTM & BM owners tend to hide the real truths about reliability on these machines. This sort of puts the fear into me and I put on the brakes every time I think about buying. Or am I mistaken? Was this just a slip on the keyboard? ???

I know the older machines have proven reliability, but what are the real truths behind the new 1200's and the KTM's for that matter.

What can I expect if do decide to buy either of the two.  :ricky:

Fact is, if you are not confident in the choice you made after doing your research, any old assholes opinion will always bother you.Not that any of this forum's members are assholes.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Operator on October 06, 2008, 05:17:25 pm
I have just included it there just for the dumbness of those kind of statements. You will always here people bitch and moan on forums on stuff that breaks, but not much when things keeps going right.
Even on a ride you over hear your budy had a bit of a problem, the next time, it's always "I hear lots of people have problems with xyz bike, ja and a friend had the same"


True.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Mark Hardy on October 06, 2008, 05:53:00 pm
I have just included it there just for the dumbness of those kind of statements. You will always here people bitch and moan on forums on stuff that breaks, but not much when things keeps going right.
Even on a ride you over hear your budy had a bit of a problem, the next time, it's always "I hear lots of people have problems with xyz bike, ja and a friend had the same"


True.

With regards to this whole thread, the above staement carries the most weight.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 06, 2008, 06:24:00 pm
Krikey Mate....whats this mud-slinging?  :-\.....and its not even my KTM kicking it up.  :)

Pissing on the wheel of your chinas bike to see the expression on his face is one thing, when shared amongst friends, but the dissing and comparing piston size just aint my style.  ;)

Just to set the record, my intention was three fold: teast some BM owners (just because i can), air some genuine views and spark some general debate.

About that 50/50 balance in the forum Michnus talks about, i think it would be a good balance to take 50% in value of the members ideas, opinions and experiences and 50% pure entertainment value.  :-\.....howz that balance?


Those that saw the tease and played along, thanks, it was fun.  :D
Those that took offence.....live a liddle.  :) ......BM make great bikes (as i said), just not great for my type of adventure.  ;)......and we're all entitled to our own.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fourie-kop on October 06, 2008, 06:38:49 pm
Klink my jy's moeg vir die kak wat jy begin het.... net vir die rekord, jy kon nie eers 'n drippel laat val op daai wiel nie... daai KTM van jou het p!@l weg vibreer :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: michnus on October 06, 2008, 06:52:12 pm
Quote
Those that saw the tease and played along, thanks, it was fun.  Cheesy
Those that took offence.....live a liddle.  Smiley ......BM make great bikes (as i said), just not great for my type of adventure.  Wink......and we're all entitled to our own.

Fidel, that's just the thing, we have been going over these threads for the last 3 years and every time we see a new one, our toe nails curls around, it's so bloody old and lame, and every time it ends the same, really we get gatvol of moderating the same shit time and time again, and it's always the same bloody lame arguments.

Every time a new guy got f-all better to do at work they start a shit stirring thread and then every body must smile because it was done as a joke.
What you must understand people took out hard earned money for their bikes, and what you basically come and do is to tell them how fucked up they are for buying that bike. Please consider other peoples choices and their decisions, it goes along way, there's ways of asking a questions and then what you did. You decided to just tell them they are idiots, and then say it was a joke.

People have buggered off because of the constant stirring, most old timers on the side did not even responded on this thread, read LS and Lito response again.

Next time I tell you to go play with your wife, delete the bloody thing and go play with your wife.  ;)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: KiLRoy on October 06, 2008, 07:00:59 pm
Or better, separate the stirring from the genuine question - then we can chat about the genuine question and nuke the stirring section.....   There is a word for these kind of jokes ....... stirring

Personally I do find the genuine side of the question interesting - Is red route kind of rides for joe average the right way to do 'adventure challenges'?   
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 06, 2008, 07:45:17 pm
So ill be that peopholl this year?

I'm not so sure its me that needs the the legover though!  ;)


There was an element of fun in the string, absolutely. Fok, image being part of a forum of dry, emtionless, sensitive, people with IQ's well above average?  :-\

But besides that, there was some reason as well, which perhaps wasnt explained or expressed properly (although some told me, in private, that they understood what i meant), but i dont think its worth eloborating on in this string.

So if you'lle humour me, i try an objective, non bias, non emotional discussion on 'what makes up a true aventure bike', based on my expert opinion.....afterall, i did Litos ass.

G, sorry mate, just had to add this one.  ;D



But later, when the miggies have been washed off the goggles.  ;D



Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: >Herman< on October 06, 2008, 07:49:17 pm
afterall, i did Litos ass.

Ag nee sies man!  :3some:


 :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JourneyMan on October 06, 2008, 07:53:22 pm
afterall, i did Litos ass.

Ag nee sies man!  :3some:


 :imaposer:

Ja-nee fok.  :eek:

Different kind of stirring that, I would say.  :eek: :eek:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Disselboom on October 06, 2008, 07:55:30 pm
No wonder so few want to go to Broke back Caledon...sorry, I mean Bash. :D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 06, 2008, 07:57:58 pm
 :imaposer:.......dit was snaaks. Dit klink cool anyway, so ill leave it ass ....erm, as is. Sorry G!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 06, 2008, 08:02:37 pm
:imaposer:.......dit was snaaks. Dit klink cool anyway, so ill leave it ass ....erm, as is. Sorry G!  :imaposer:



WTF?   ??? ??? ??? ???



Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: >Herman< on October 06, 2008, 08:03:31 pm
:imaposer:.......dit was snaaks. Dit klink cool anyway, so ill leave it ass ....erm, as is. Sorry G!  :imaposer:




WTF?   ??? ??? ??? ???








Dit is seker maar wat mens se as 'n kort mannetjie jou "pla"

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Lito on October 06, 2008, 08:05:39 pm
Dit is seker maar wat mens se as 'n kort mannetjie jou "pla"

 :imaposer:


 :imaposer:

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 06, 2008, 08:06:21 pm
:imaposer:.......dit was snaaks. Dit klink cool anyway, so ill leave it ass ....erm, as is. Sorry G!  :imaposer:



WTF?   ??? ??? ??? ???






Dont worry G. It was a slip of the finger..........oh fok, i think ill shut up now.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Disselboom on October 06, 2008, 08:06:34 pm
Wat maak 'n moffie die moer in?

As sy "vriend" hom uitkak. ::)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 06, 2008, 08:10:07 pm
LoL...nee fok, ek gat lievers huis toe, as per Michnus orders, before i end in the shit trouble again.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fenderbender on October 06, 2008, 09:19:19 pm
Jammer om van al jou probleme te hoor, sterkte my ou maat,hiers vir jou n smiley om jou beter te laat voel. ::)
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JO GSA on October 06, 2008, 10:14:56 pm
So ons het nou besluit dat die GS wel n beter bike as die KTM's is......


sorry sorry ek joke net!!!!

Ek moet se dit is die snaakste uur wat ek gespandeer het om die thread te lees, en dit bly intresant al was daar mense wat hulle moere gestrip het, dit maak nie saak nie. Wat vir my intresant was, is hoe elke ou se redenasie is oor n spesifieke brand, ipv. dat hy motiveer waarom hy n spesifieke bike gekoop het. Die volgende ding wat opvallend was, is dat elke ou se behoeftes, en idees oor DS verskillend is, dit hang sekerlik net af van hoe ver jy bereid is om die limits te druk met wat jy tot jou beskiking het.

So ja... Fidel jy is n STIRER  :pot:, maar ek hoop die ouens het hulle les geleer....weereens.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Kuifie on October 06, 2008, 10:25:58 pm
Is ons almal nie maar soos n klomp kinders nie . Wil beter of dieselfde he as die ander en dans strip ons , ons moer as iemand ons vertel jy nie die beste nie.

Dis net aardse besittings.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: dustsucker on October 07, 2008, 11:39:14 am

I reckon less experienced riders usually won't buy a KTM... a Beemer makes so much more sense.  I've ridden a few KTM's but never off road, they scare the living daylights outta me, anyway, (1)to ride a KTM you have to be a 'windgat' and you have to be able to pop wheelies and do stoppies... it goes with the image!
Beemers are more comfy and they have good backup sevice, and nice sales staff (Mikedabike and Tazzman), which I can't say for KTM.

Now you may ask - why do I ride a Honda... cos it's better than the others.... ok ok, my BMW Dakar was stolen and I could't afford another Beemer, and I'd have to learn to wheelie before I can get myself the KTM990.  Besides, I think the Africa Twin is the best bike for me, It's great on and off road, it's paid for and I don't get all tearful when I drop it, which is fairly frequently.

As for the 'Challenge', I think anyone who participates in the red route is crazy, (2)where's the fun in being terrified and messing up your bike?  Just to show that you're better than the rest of us who can't take part because we ride Hondas and other funny bikes and who wouldn't go anyway because we actually like to enjoy myself out there and not tiotally destroy our bikes!


(3)Anyway, that's my opinion..



(1) lekker lag ek nou -- 'windgat' is so `n lelike woord -- lets rather call it "a public display of extraordinary skills" - admired in general by your fellow male surrounding crowd.  ;D

(2) it`s a 'male/boy' thing(no right or wrong here, just the way things are) you are not suppose to understand as testostorone is a male hormone that in exess makes you get ruled by the little head - and cry later....some guys like to walk with their balls in their breast pocket  - and they measure other men likewise - and others don`t.  I think woman compete in different arenas....push up bra`s, cooking recipe`s - toight bunns in an even toighter pants  :biggrin:

(3)  thanks for sharing
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Pistonpete on October 07, 2008, 11:58:50 am
Yirre guys...Fidel the fiend....kakstirrer! This stuff, when getting disproportinate, should be moved tp R&P ! :deal:
Amazing how much bad blood & animosity gets stirred up between guys who barely know each other. To those who stirr...freedom! To those that take offence...dont read!
All the others are out ridin' their bikes ;D
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: IceCreamMan on October 07, 2008, 12:09:10 pm
12 pages shows that we never et enough of stirring  :pot:

Fidel , i find myself agreeing with your original post , it is absolutely spot on imho.

Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: chicco on October 07, 2008, 12:15:36 pm
this months Top bike said it best...(the one with the 2 brands in dispute on the front cover) " both these bikes do 95% of the things the same, the one is just 5% better on dirt and the other 5% better on tar" so its like comparing your wife with your girlfriend.........95% of things they do the same.....the one is just 5% better at cooking and the other one 5% better in bed.....so it depends in what mood your in......
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Malibu on October 07, 2008, 12:18:13 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

The ultimate Chicco comment....

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JABO on October 07, 2008, 12:22:59 pm
this months Top bike said it best...(the one with the 2 brands in dispute on the front cover) " both these bikes do 95% of the things the same, the one is just 5% better on dirt and the other 5% better on tar" so its like comparing your wife with your girlfriend.........95% of things they do the same.....the one is just 5% better at cooking and the other one 5% better in bed.....so it depends in what mood your in......

There we have it.

Now lets go to the pub and discuss whose wifes and girlfriends are the hottest.  :mwink:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: chicco on October 07, 2008, 12:28:05 pm
and if you in the mood for both...eeeshy...buy both.....or in other words :3some: and if this is against your religion buy a superbike and a quad......
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: Fidel on October 07, 2008, 12:43:10 pm
Dustsucker, youve got a point. Some peeps surround themselves with things that make an impression to others, not for function.

My choice of bike is cause its functionally the most suited for me......ok, and its a looker too.  ;D



I'll admit, a fully kitted BM adventure cladd with aggressive knobbies looks great.  :o.‚?¶....but in a plump Housewife wearing stilletos kinda way. You know she can do the dirty, but its probably not proper.  ;)


When can i hang the spoon next to helmet?
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: chicco on October 07, 2008, 12:58:15 pm
like making whoopie to your siester.....I mean a KTM on tar....its riding but it just doesnt feel right.......
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: dustsucker on October 07, 2008, 01:33:49 pm
like making whoopie to your siester.....I mean a KTM on tar....its riding but it just doesnt feel right.......

 ;D ...no KTM owner with the slightest self respect will take his pony to tar....Fidel will rather pick his bike up and put it on his back than ride tar with it.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: JohanGPS on October 07, 2008, 08:55:25 pm
but then perhaps sell the KTM and get a quad...Melkbos is much nearer.
My adventure starts at home when I pack and depart (ok and have a rum and coke for the road) but to me that is part of the adventure...to road to get there and back.
Title: Re: This whole GSC thing!
Post by: BigEd on October 07, 2008, 11:13:33 pm
this months Top bike said it best...(the one with the 2 brands in dispute on the front cover) " both these bikes do 95% of the things the same, the one is just 5% better on dirt and the other 5% better on tar" so its like comparing your wife with your girlfriend.........95% of things they do the same.....the one is just 5% better at cooking and the other one 5% better in bed.....so it depends in what mood your in......

Your girlfriend cooks! :eek: Lucky so-an-so. ;)

I let the wife think I'm with the girlfriend and I let the GF think I'm with the wife - then I can some work done... ::) ;D

Ok, ok, I'm an IT geek... :thumleft: since my shoulder ops stopped my rugby career.