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Title: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Enzo on November 11, 2018, 06:30:40 pm
Heads up on our return today from Gamkaskloof "Die Hel" back home via the Hekke pad we where left with a locked gate - used to be such a nice road sad to see it is closed....

Parrarel gravel road bewteen Prince Albert and Touwsriver
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Enzo on November 11, 2018, 06:32:26 pm
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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Enzo on November 11, 2018, 06:36:20 pm
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950km in two days and the head is clean again - Die Hel always a winner


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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on November 11, 2018, 06:43:52 pm
Publieke pad mag nie gesluit word nie en daai pad is publiek. :deal:
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Tampan on November 14, 2018, 06:38:30 am
Publieke pad mag nie gesluit word nie en daai pad is publiek. :deal:

Chris, hier by ons is daar ten minste drie elektriese skuif hekke op sekere hoofpaaie. Voetgangers en fietse/motorfietse kan langsaan deurgaan, maar nie voertuie nie. Daar’s  ook nommers wat jy bel, dan maak iemand die hek oop. Ons het onlangs voor een gestaan en daar was geen antwoord op enige van die nommers nie - eers na ‘n halfuur iemand gekry wat kon oopmaak.
Lyk my as jy spesiale toestemming kry en aan al die vereistes voldoen, kan jy ‘n hek op ‘n openbare pad aanbring. Die hekke by ons is vir veediefstal en veiligheid opgesit.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: eberhard on November 14, 2018, 05:47:19 pm
Mooi foto's :thumleft:
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: gser on November 14, 2018, 06:12:14 pm
Publieke pad mag nie gesluit word nie en daai pad is publiek. :deal:
Jy is reg ChrisL , dit vind al hoe meer plaas !
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 14, 2018, 07:07:34 pm
Moet mens nou ry tot by n hek en dan bel?

Hoe kan jy vooraf reëlings tref jy weet nie watse hek gaan gesluit wees of nie?

Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Old Man on November 16, 2018, 12:05:56 pm
I am intrigued by this route, but cannot seem to find anything on it from my friend gooooooogle or my map of resources. About 2 years ago we were in Die Hel and went to the very end of the road. There was a massive river to cross, so that put paid to that route. We were trying to get to Mr. Fox's Cottage and from there to Seweweeks Poort. Now reading that I can get to Touwsrivier, well, its worth another ride!!

Could you share, even just the starting section, from Die Hel? 
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Heimer on November 16, 2018, 12:12:37 pm
I am intrigued by this route, but cannot seem to find anything on it from my friend gooooooogle or my map of resources. About 2 years ago we were in Die Hel and went to the very end of the road. There was a massive river to cross, so that put paid to that route. We were trying to get to Mr. Fox's Cottage and from there to Seweweeks Poort. Now reading that I can get to Touwsrivier, well, its worth another ride!!

Could you share, even just the starting section, from Die Hel?
This route is not inside die hel
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: ktmmer on November 16, 2018, 01:48:52 pm
Die boere doen maar net hulle Christelike plig en probeer julle, uit " Die Hel" hou. .  :thumleft:
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Brewed_Coffee on November 16, 2018, 02:02:35 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer:

but seriously though, I'm also keen to understand more about that route.  Is it anywhere around or involving Anysberg?
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: RobC on November 16, 2018, 02:39:20 pm
This has me intrested... we may be heading down there ourselves... Honeymoon in die Hel being planned.  >:D :imaposer:
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Warren Ellwood on November 16, 2018, 03:27:56 pm
There are basically two roads one can take out of Prince Albert.

There used to be a locked gate on the first one, but the second (higher) one was always open.

Which one were you on.

Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Bernoulli on November 16, 2018, 03:34:15 pm
I think the commonly referred to hekkepad is the gravel road that joins the R407 with the R323 and passes just downstream of the Floriskraal dam. The turnoff we used was about 28km outside Prince Albert.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Deon on November 18, 2018, 11:23:26 am
I fully sympathies with the security challenges and problems of farmers.  But we should find another solution.  Real criminals can buy a professional lock pick set for about R500, and a hacksaw for R80.  They pull out whole gates with a cheap tow rope, or fence wire that they stole from your own fence.  So a lock are not  going to stop a criminal.  But you are blocking my road.  And  I am on an XR650R with a 9.8 liter tank. And usually in an area with no cell phone reception.  If I do not have enough fuel to turn around, I will have to go through.  And the wires next to the gates are a softer barrier than the expensive locks.  Are these farmers making a criminal of me then?  One thing the farmers are missing.  Having some aggressive and crazy bike riders on your farms is beneficial to your well being.  We do take on criminals.  You being all alone on your farm, believing a locked rate will keep out barbarians criminals, are you're  biggest security misconception.  With these locks you are only inconveniencing the exact same people that are on your side of the political spectrum.  Why would you alienate your potential friends?
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: elandsrider on November 18, 2018, 11:45:16 am
I live on a farm road together with a bunch of retards who believe locking a gate on a public road is a detrerant to a criminal
When he wants something you have he climbs thde gate , beats thd shit out of you, rapes your wife , steals everything he can by loading onto your bakkie with your guns etc in his possession and drives thu the gate unlocking with your keys
When help arrives if they ldave a phone for you to call from they have to struggle to get in
Result is loss of community and cameradrie, i have no interest in my neighbours , repeated requests to the farmers assosiation has met with hostility, havimg friends over or visitors is a n absolute pain
They have recently installed cctv cameras, together with the locked gates my solar oanels were still stolen at my river thru my friendly neighbours property, arseholes the lot of them
Im with Deon
Cut the fence next to the gate
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Bie on November 18, 2018, 11:52:21 am
Locking a gate does help to prevent crime, fact. Criminals are like water, they take the easiest route and if a gate prevents access to scout it will keep them out. Once they know there is something of value, nothing will keep them out though. Riding your bike in an area by day will not deter criminals. When they come to steal, you will be back home. Yes, by law you may not lock a gate on a public road, so break the lock. If you however cut a fence you will be in bigger shit as that is breaking and entering. The lawful access is the gate and cutting a fence next to the gate will be the same as cutting it anywhere else along the perimeter. You have access through the gate, nowhere else.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: elandsrider on November 18, 2018, 12:05:04 pm
You are right, bie, 2 wrongs dont make a right
Why does the first wrong not get rectified or reversed , under any circumstance , the self rightous twat gets his panties in a twist vehemently when he gets wronged
State of our country and the state of the world
Getting worse daily
I have approached the farmers association, fire department, police, traffic department, da councellor after attempting to talk to the lovely heighbours.
There are actual ex army, a current police woman , x secret police living on the road, mentality of amoeba creating a choke point for attack....
I was advised by most authorties to take expensive legal action
Locking of private roads is your right, blocking public roads is not

Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Bie on November 18, 2018, 12:21:08 pm
It is quite common to lock relatively unused public roads and giving keys to those who has to use the road. If SAPS does not respond to criminal activity, what else can you do. Weigh up the livelihood of one person vs the fun of another.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Meteor on November 18, 2018, 12:52:02 pm
Om eerlik te wees dink ek nie daai hek, slot en heining is daar om kriminele uit te hou so dit is daar om te sien asof 'n voertuig deur was. Die mense daar sal dan seker vir 'n paar dae op hulle hoede wees en dan weer rustig raak. DIt dien 'n doel deur boere te laat weet dat 'n voertuig wat moontlik skape etc kan vervoer in die area is.

As jy 'n noodgeval het moet jy daai slot, heining kan breek, skryf solank idees hier neer wat ons almal kan gebruik.
Ek weet slegs hoe om 'n slot te breek met twee spanners as die grote van die slot min of meer bekend is en ek is nie lus om met spanners net vir dit te ry. As daar beter idees is deel dit asb.



 

Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Cracker on November 18, 2018, 02:03:44 pm
Tyre levers work ............
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 18, 2018, 11:37:54 pm
Wat maak n pad n publieke pad of n privaat pad?

Soos bv. die hekke pad hoe weet mens hy is publiek?
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Draad on November 19, 2018, 04:56:54 am
9 mm
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Bie on November 19, 2018, 06:20:52 am
Wat maak n pad n publieke pad of n privaat pad?

Soos bv. die hekke pad hoe weet mens hy is publiek?

Jy sal nooit werklik weet nie, want baie min gebruikte publieke paaie, met padbordjies en al, is gedeproklameer die laaste tyd. Hoe meer paaie gedeproklameer word, hoe minder is die provinsie se verantwoordelikheid ten opsigte van onderhoud. Baie van hierdie voorheen publieke paaie verskyn steeds op Garmin en Tracks4Africa se kaarte. Baie gesluite hekke is so aangedui op Tracks4Africa. Dalk n goeie begin, rapporteer dit aan hulle sodat ander kan sien of dit n gebruikte roete is of nie.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: RobC on November 19, 2018, 01:24:19 pm
Tyre levers work ............
I always carry 2 of each 14mm and 17mm ring flat spanners, I have het to meet a padlock that can resist those lovely tools. Cable ties after breaking.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: weskus on November 19, 2018, 05:22:27 pm
As hy gesluit is bel jy maar jy breek NOOIT 'n man se slot of knip 'n draad nie, dis sommer net k@k styl..
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 19, 2018, 09:16:40 pm
As hy gesluit is bel jy maar jy breek NOOIT 'n man se slot of knip 'n draad nie, dis sommer net k@k styl..

I agree with you, but you plan your route and your fuel stops. Now you get to a gate that is locked ???

Sometimes there are no other option. It is break the lock or back track 5hrs and run out of fuel and walk ???
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: elandsrider on November 19, 2018, 09:28:49 pm
As hy gesluit is bel jy maar jy breek NOOIT 'n man se slot of knip 'n draad nie, dis sommer net k@k styl..
Ok
Sooooo
Breaking a lock, that is blocking access to a public road is being kak style and boonop a total twatwaffle , however blocking access to thd public , on a PUBLIC ROAD, is ok ??
Really
That is what is what is wrong with this country.
Allowing the lawless to dictate to the law abiding is wrong
As is locking a gate on a public road
Its against the law
Break the lock.....
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 19, 2018, 09:52:21 pm
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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on November 19, 2018, 09:56:46 pm
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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Striggs on November 19, 2018, 10:22:47 pm
We have some gates with combination locks, call number, get code, unlock move through. Everyone reasonably happy..

They can change code as often as they like, as long as somebody is available to answer the call...

Got to a locked gate once in Grahamstown area, locked and electrified. Called numbers on list for over an hour, no answer.  Had to take a 2 hour detour. Didn’t even get a call later to ask who what where... now that lock I should have cut/broken and replaced with my own lock and number. To me it is sommer kak styl as you guys call it...

Why bother putting a number to call if nobody is going to answer it? I am more than happy to respect the need for a locked gate, but that does not give anyone the right to limit access to others, where we should be allowed to pass freely.  Before we know it we will be carrying dompas’ again...
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Deon on November 19, 2018, 10:30:34 pm
On the plus side, I have reported or saved 34 livestock for farmers. I have reported 22 blown valves.  I have stopped at about 50 suspicious looking vehicles on farms. I have openly photographed suspicious looking individuals. I have given the shirt of my back to karretjie people. I have given hobos lifts on my XR.  On the down side.  I have broken two locks.  Does all this makes me a friend or enemy of the farmer?

That locked gate will not stop a criminal. Security cameras and motion sensors are way better.  Co-operation between neighbours are better.  Neighbourhood watches with electronica has proven the most effective.  Be practical. Do not try and be too smart.  And think like a criminal.

Imagine you can have a hundred screaming off road riders on your farm everyday.  I know it it not practical.  But if it was, that will keep you safe from the South African criminal.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Ama ride ride on November 19, 2018, 11:50:14 pm
As hy gesluit is bel jy maar jy breek NOOIT 'n man se slot of knip 'n draad nie, dis sommer net k@k styl..

Stem saam, maar as die man nie atwoord nie dan is daai ook k@k styl. So as jy 'n slot wil opsit, moenie jou foon op die stoep los as jy 'nk@k gaan vat nie.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Tampan on November 20, 2018, 05:54:46 am
I think the reality in most situations is this: criminals and especially stock thieves are an ongoing and permanent threat. They operate seven days a week, occasionally by day, but mostly at night.
Bikers are not always around, mostly on weekends and in more remote areas even less regular. During hot summer months, bikers get scarce and very, very few bikers ride around at night. So, a biker, or bikers are the least of any criminal’s worries and will not pose much of a threat to them.

Locked gates is indeed a PIA, but they certainly do help prevent crime, especially on remote roads where criminals have to get to and from there objective by vehicle. The gates around Colesberg all have cameras, which automatically takes highly detailed pictures of the vehicle and inhabitants, when they stop at the gate. If I was a criminal, I would sure choose one of the roads without gates and cameras to do my thing.

That said, any road user must have a means to pass through a gate, immediately and that responsibility rests squarely on the the gate owner/s.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Enzo on November 20, 2018, 05:55:21 am
Die issue is by die hek self is daar geen opvangs nie so jy kan nie daar bel nie jy gaan moet terug ry na opvangs op n sondag oggend - as jy van die kaap af gekom het en 200km op daai pad gery het gaan jy groot issues he om daai daar te loop omdraai reg aan die einde

Kyk na die nommers hierbo en bel vooraf

Die slot is n kombinasie slot met n fop kamera kry die kode net toestemming en post hier vir almal te sien

As n reel raak die wereld kleiner en ingeperk en dit is die groter issue, meer heinings en toe Hekke en dis kak

Ek is nie n boef nie en teendeel dis beter as daar beweging is deur mense wat hulle gedra


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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Tampan on November 20, 2018, 09:25:59 am
Inderdaad Enzo. Hulle moet tog weet daar's geen opvangs by die hekke nie. Wonder waarom hulle dan nie maar die bord met die nommers op vroeer aanbring om gebruikers te waarsku en op so plek waar hulle nog kan bel om te reel nie?
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: 0012 on November 20, 2018, 03:49:54 pm
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Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: elandsrider on November 20, 2018, 06:38:23 pm
Last week some over ambitous visitor broke the lock off .  Thank you kind sir  :biggrin:
I have, at least for the moment, civilised access to my home.
Until the laager mentality, or klippies and coke gets my unfriendly neighbour nervous about mass attack or land invasion again and puts another lock on and costs me hundreds of ronts to buy lots of keys to hand out al, over town again >:(
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Deon on November 21, 2018, 08:59:15 pm
So, we all agree to disagree. I wonder if this our Netherlandsish genes that keep us from working together,
 A women was walking past a man fishing on a harbour wall.  The woman said, meneer, djou krappe is besag om yt die boks te klouter.  The man replied.  Nei, moenie worry nie.  Hulle is soos wit mense.  Elke keer as dit lyk of een dit gaan maak dan trek die anner krappe hom terug.

Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 21, 2018, 09:50:54 pm
Wonder what the owners of the locks would think if someone removed their locks, then replaced it with their own locks?

Wonder if they have tyre levers in their plaasbakkie?  Have they showed their wives and daughters how to remove an unwanted lock?
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Deon on November 25, 2018, 04:46:19 pm
Een van die boer in daai omgewing sê ek moet 'n klomp goedkoop slotte saamry.  Breek dan die kettang en sit jou eie slot in die kettang.  So kan jy deurry, en jy kan die hek weer sluit.  En jy kan volgende keer weer deurry.  Een beter sal wees om die slot se tumblers uit te boor.  Dan kan daai slot mey enige sleute oppgesny word.  Dit sal nie die pad meer onveilig maak nie, want regte kriminele gaan in elk geval deur die hek ry met hul gesteelde bakkie.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: heti on December 03, 2018, 04:55:44 pm
So let me understand this clearly..... four hardened criminals are en route to your farm in their bakkie to steal some sheep and / or attack you at your residence.  They drive a few km's down the gravel road and then get to your locked 3 foot farm gate....  oh no.... what now.... they have a quick chat and decide that they should rather turn around....

Really?  WTF?   
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: Bie on December 03, 2018, 05:39:26 pm
No, that is not how it works. Criminals never go on a joyride to see if they can find livestock to steal there and then. They do their homework before the time to see where an easy spot is to herd livestock, force them into a corner to catch and load them close to a road to aid loading. In order to do this they visit the area before the time on a casual drive by to scout and see. If they cannot enter the property they cannot see. If they break a lock to scout you know unwanted people were there, they know you know too and that you will probably be alert.
Livestock thieves dont drive around and pick up livestock. It is simply not that easy. After the scout, 2 or 3 have to be dropped off at or close to the identified spot, where they then herd the sheep to that spot. Once they are there with the sheep, the vehicle comes closer and stops to load.
You dont have to believe it, but to prevent free access does curb theft. Crimials are like water, they go to the easiest spots first and if there is something that makes it difficult for them, they will likely go somewhere else. I am not thumbsucking, I talk about experience.
Title: Re: "Hekke" pad locked
Post by: heti on December 04, 2018, 09:54:28 am
Verstaan Bie!  :thumleft:  Nee fok.  Klink na te veel moeite.  Ek gaan maar eerder dan 'n tjoppie by Checkers kry.  Sommer dalk 'n worsie ook.   :biggrin:

Ek dink net steeds daar is 'n duisend scenarios waar 'n (onwettig - moet nie dit vergeet nie) geslote hek probleme kan veroorsaak.  Bv. 'n paniekerige toeris kies shortest distance na 'n hospitaal op sy GPS om iemand dringend by mediese aandag uit te kry.  Die fuel range punt is reeds vroeër reeds gemaak.  Ens Ens ens.