Wild Dog Adventure Riding

Riding: Plan, Report and Racing => Racing Section => Topic started by: TheBear on November 13, 2018, 09:47:53 am

Title: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2018, 09:47:53 am
A bit early I suppose, but probably better to start a 2019 thread to discuss what is expected in 2019.

Moto E will be with us with from 2019, starting out with 5 races during the season.  Races will be 7 - 10 laps at Jerez, Le Mans, Sachsenring, Red Bull Ring and Misano.  It will be a one manufacturer class with all bikes manufactured by Energica Moto Company.   Bikes sound like a overworked washing machine, but do have some impressive specs (I think):

Specs:

Max power:  110kw
0 - 100: 3s
Top speed: 250km/h
Battery:  HV Lithium-ion
Recharging:  0 - 85% in 20 minutes.
Motor:  Synchronous, oil-cooled, AC with permanent magnets (whatever the heck that may mean)

Planned teams:

Tech3 Racing: Kenny Foray and Hector Garzo
LCR Team:  Randy du Puniet and Niccolo Canepa
Pramac Racing: Josh Hook and Alex de Angelis.  Both to be confirmed.
Avintia Racing Team:  Xavier Simeon and Eric Granado
Angel Nieto Team: Nico Terol and Maria Herrera
Gresini Racing: Matteo Ferrari and ???
Pons Racing: Sete Gibernau
Intact GP Team: Jesko Raffin
SIC58 Corse: One
Ajo Motorsport: ???
Marc VDS Racing Team: ???
SIC Racing Team: Bradley Smith



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on November 13, 2018, 10:03:57 am
Some big names there!!! I saw the Moto E bike at Catalunya, but I couldn't hear it  :lol8:

I'm looking forward to see what KTM is going to do next year :thumleft: And of course BiB!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2018, 10:08:22 am
MotoGP teams for 2019:

Repsol Honda:  MM93 and JL99
Movistar Yamaha:  VR46 and MV25
Ducati Team:  Dovi and Petrux
Suzuki Team:  Alex Rins and rookie Joan Mir
Red Bull KTM:  Zarco and Pol Espargaro
Tech3 KTM (Full factory spec bikes):  Rookie Miguel Oliviera and Hafizh Syahrin
Aprilia Gresini:  Aleix Espargaro and Iannone
LCR Honda:  Crutchlow (factory spec bike) and Nakagami (bike spec not clear)
Pramac Ducati:  Jack Miller (possibly GP19 Ducati) and rookie Pecco Bagnaia (GP17, possibly GP18)
Avintia Ducati:  Abraham (GP18) and Tito Rabat (bike spec not clear, probably GP17)
Petronas Yamaha Sepang:  Rookie Fabia Quartararo (2019 Factory spec) and Morbidelli (2018, ex-Vinales bike)

Marc VDS Honda will not participate and Angel Nieto Ducati gave up their grid spots to the Petronas Yamaha team.




Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 13, 2018, 01:24:54 pm
It seems that Romano Fenati may well return to Moto3 for the Sniper Team in 2019.  The same Sniper Team that fired him for his shenanigans this year.  He must have huge financial backing to get back in.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on November 13, 2018, 02:52:09 pm
I am just looking forward to the end of season test in Valencia.

If Yamaha don't bring some radical engine to catch up to Honda and Ducati than I will be switching allegiance next year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 13, 2018, 08:41:36 pm
I am just looking forward to the end of season test in Valencia.

If Yamaha don't bring some radical engine to catch up to Honda and Ducati than I will be switching allegiance next year

Who you're backing, BMW? :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2018, 09:15:18 am
I am just looking forward to the end of season test in Valencia.

If Yamaha don't bring some radical engine to catch up to Honda and Ducati than I will be switching allegiance next year

I believe the 2019 engine has been tested in previous tests.  Not much difference to the current one.

I am just looking forward to the end of season test in Valencia.

If Yamaha don't bring some radical engine to catch up to Honda and Ducati than I will be switching allegiance next year

Who you're backing, BMW? :ricky:

We may as well since during the 2018 season, Yamaha won only one more MotoGP race than BMW.   :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobD on November 14, 2018, 09:21:37 am
Looks like the graveyard class for some well known names....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on November 14, 2018, 09:40:29 am
So two teams left MotoGP and one came in. That’s a shame that the grid is shrinking. Doesn’t matter so much when you watch it on TV but if you’re trackside it does.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2018, 10:19:57 am
Looks like the graveyard class for some well known names....

At first glance, perhaps, but not really.  A nice mix of old farts, young guns and in between.

So two teams left MotoGP and one came in. That’s a shame that the grid is shrinking. Doesn’t matter so much when you watch it on TV but if you’re trackside it does.

Definitely a pity, but the Marc VDS team withdrawing came at short notice.  I am sure their two spots will be taken next year since Suzuki and Aprilia will have to think very seriously about a satellite team..



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 14, 2018, 12:36:35 pm
Updated teams:

Tech3 Racing: Kenny Foray and Hector Garzo
LCR Team:  Randy du Puniet and Niccolo Canepa
Pramac Racing: Josh Hook and Alex de Angelis. 
Avintia Racing Team:  Xavier Simeon and Eric Granado
Angel Nieto Team: Nico Terol and Maria Herrera
Gresini Racing: Matteo Ferrari and Lorenzo Savadori
Pons Racing: Sete Gibernau
Intact GP Team: Jesko Raffin
Ajo Motorsport:  Niki Tuuli
SIC Racing Team: Bradley Smith
SIC58 Corse: ???
Marc VDS Racing Team: ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 19, 2018, 06:39:45 pm
Looks like the graveyard class for some well known names....

Hahaha, Sete must be nearing 50 by now........didnt think i would see him race again.
Still, i cant wait to see some Moto E action. Albeit a somewhat 'muted' battle.
Interesting times.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 19, 2018, 08:11:52 pm
I heard that Dorna is putting special speakers around the tracks to remind people that a race is on when the electrics is circulating.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on November 19, 2018, 08:37:03 pm
I heard that Dorna is putting special speakers around the tracks to remind people that a race is on when the electrics is circulating.
With all that battery power it will be cool if they could play 500cc 2 stroke sounds from the bikes
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 19, 2018, 09:06:48 pm
I heard that Dorna is putting special speakers around the tracks to remind people that a race is on when the electrics is circulating.
With all that battery power it will be cool if they could play 500cc 2 stroke sounds from the bikes

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rufus115 on November 19, 2018, 11:45:08 pm
One ebike circulated at Valencia this weekend...its exactly what u expect, eerily quiet and a tad underwhelming.
The noise of the pack on lap 1 as they boom away from you is something you can feel and certainly adds to the drama
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: evansv on November 20, 2018, 07:07:50 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Jag man on November 20, 2018, 07:23:41 am
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on November 20, 2018, 08:13:05 am
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:
What he said.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 08:34:38 am
Looks like the graveyard class for some well known names....

Hahaha, Sete must be nearing 50 by now........didnt think i would see him race again.
Still, i cant wait to see some Moto E action. Albeit a somewhat 'muted' battle.
Interesting times.

I am looking forward to it.  The E-Bikes on the Isle of Man certainly became interesting pretty quickly.  I predict, so will these.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 08:37:18 am
Qualifying changes for Moto2 and Moto3 from 2019.  They will now use the same format as MotoGP.  Only difference, as there are more of them is that Top 14 on average time from the three free practices will automatically go through to Q2 while the rest will fight it out in Q1.  The top 4 will go to Q1 for final grid positions.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 08:39:01 am
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:

Agreed and don't discount Darryn in Moto3.  He may well be challenging for podiums in his new team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 20, 2018, 09:46:20 am
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:

For sure OomD......Moto2 is BB's for the taking, also with the new engine its going to be super exciting.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 10:10:19 am
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:

For sure OomD......Moto2 is BB's for the taking, also with the new engine its going to be super exciting.

Lets hope the KTM team adapts to the new engine as fast, or faster than the main competitors, like Kalex.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 20, 2018, 12:35:39 pm
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:

For sure OomD......Moto2 is BB's for the taking, also with the new engine its going to be super exciting.

Lets hope the KTM team adapts to the new engine as fast, or faster than the main competitors, like Kalex.

The mechanics are going to keep looking for that lost 4th spark plug. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 01:09:05 pm
All said but ,moto 2 for me next year as Binder will be the man I watch.Soon to be champ again. :thumleft:

For sure OomD......Moto2 is BB's for the taking, also with the new engine its going to be super exciting.

Lets hope the KTM team adapts to the new engine as fast, or faster than the main competitors, like Kalex.

The mechanics are going to keep looking for that lost 4th spark plug. :thumleft:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 03:03:34 pm
First day of the 2019 seasons starts with testing from Valencia.

As a baseline, the current lap record during a race:  1:31.171 by JL99 on a Yamaha.

Best lap time today with 3 hours to go:  1:31.854 by Dovi.  He is followed by:
- MM93
- Petrux
- MV now 12 instead of 25 from on.
- Espargaro, A (Aprilia nogal)
- Espargaro, P (KTM)
- Miller
- VR46
- Morbidelli (Satellite Yamie)
- Rins

Early days, of course.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on November 20, 2018, 03:26:49 pm
I know that there are a few know-it-alls here, so here is a challenge to you

beat this:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on November 20, 2018, 04:23:09 pm
Brag gat
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 20, 2018, 05:02:30 pm
I know that there are a few know-it-alls here, so here is a challenge to you

beat this:

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on November 20, 2018, 05:25:12 pm
I know that there are a few know-it-alls here, so here is a challenge to you

beat this:

Don't quite know what you did but I presume you sat behind your computer shouting braap braap and covering your screen in spit?  And you were the best in Africa doing that?  Let me be the first one to congratulate you on that feat.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on November 20, 2018, 09:01:25 pm
Yep, he's lost me here as well ..................... I've no idea what was achieved, if anything .............  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 21, 2018, 08:25:38 am
Yep, he's lost me here as well ..................... I've no idea what was achieved, if anything .............  :biggrin:

Can you guys not read?  He is bragging with his pool playing capabilities.  Not sure why he would do that in a MGP thread though.  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Breekbeen on November 21, 2018, 08:56:40 am
 :patch:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on November 21, 2018, 09:04:33 am
I know that there are a few know-it-alls here, so here is a challenge to you

beat this:


Jy weet mos, die know-it-alls hier skree blindelings net vir een ou
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 21, 2018, 09:43:20 am
Day 1 testing done and dusted.

Some responses from riders:

Petrucci:  The 2019 factory Ducati have no negative points.
Morbidelli:  The Yamaha is like riding on butter. (He is referring to smoothness, not lack of traction)
Zarco:  KTM corner entry difficult and that makes me slow.
Vinales:  Suddenly, I feel much better, but still need to work on acceleration.  (It seems Yamaha used the 2018 bike from Sunday's race with one of two 2019 engines)
Marquez:  Difficult day, but the 2019 bike feels good.
Dovi:  Today we almost did nothing due to the rain.
Rossi:  Evolution engine 1 is better, but lacks acceleration.  Looking forward to test evolution engine 2 today.

Final times:






Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: billy-joe on November 21, 2018, 09:55:31 am
promising start to the season!  hope BiB and team adapts to the new engine quickly and the yamahas are more competitive to provide more interesting racing. 

bring it on!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 21, 2018, 10:11:49 am
I know that there are a few know-it-alls here, so here is a challenge to you

beat this:


Jy weet mos, die know-it-alls hier skree blindelings net vir een ou

Shame, must be kak to be so jealous.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on November 21, 2018, 10:13:32 am
That clearly went over your head
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 21, 2018, 10:16:17 am
Day 1 testing done and dusted.

Some responses from riders:

Petrucci:  The 2019 factory Ducati have no negative points.
Morbidelli:  The Yamaha is like riding on butter. (He is referring to smoothness, not lack of traction)
Zarco:  KTM corner entry difficult and that makes me slow.
Vinales:  Suddenly, I feel much better, but still need to work on acceleration.  (It seems Yamaha used the 2018 bike from Sunday's race with one of two 2019 engines)
Marquez:  Difficult day, but the 2019 bike feels good.
Dovi:  Today we almost did nothing due to the rain.
Rossi:  Evolution engine 1 is better, but lacks acceleration.  Looking forward to test evolution engine 2 today.

Final times:

Very interesting........ Zarco and Lorenzo still getting to grips i guess.
Where you find that info Bear?
Keep it coming.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 21, 2018, 10:17:41 am
That clearly went over your head

No bru......Rossi....yes?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 21, 2018, 10:24:08 am
Day 1 testing done and dusted.

Some responses from riders:

Petrucci:  The 2019 factory Ducati have no negative points.
Morbidelli:  The Yamaha is like riding on butter. (He is referring to smoothness, not lack of traction)
Zarco:  KTM corner entry difficult and that makes me slow.
Vinales:  Suddenly, I feel much better, but still need to work on acceleration.  (It seems Yamaha used the 2018 bike from Sunday's race with one of two 2019 engines)
Marquez:  Difficult day, but the 2019 bike feels good.
Dovi:  Today we almost did nothing due to the rain.
Rossi:  Evolution engine 1 is better, but lacks acceleration.  Looking forward to test evolution engine 2 today.

Final times:

Very interesting........ Zarco and Lorenzo still getting to grips i guess.
Where you find that info Bear?
Keep it coming.

I find a lot on www.motogp.com and https://www.crash.net/.  Also following many of these riders on Twitter where you pick up some interesting snippets.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on November 21, 2018, 10:24:41 am
That clearly went over your head

No bru......Rossi....yes?

My original comment was to Snafu, and had to do with his results in Superbru.

You clearly missed the humor.

Dont get so hung up on the fact that it has something to do with Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 21, 2018, 08:33:58 pm
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

Of course MM will have people that do not like him. Even some that hates him. Like Rossi have you. :pot:

But to cheer you up, I really like MM for the fact that he is a fighter. Dislocate a shoulder in Qualifying, pop the joint back in and qualify for 5th position. Remarkable hunger for racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 22, 2018, 10:30:17 am
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

Very typical of all the so-called haters and / or fanboys.  They all have one thing in common.  They are incapable of seeing that their behaviour is exactly like that of what they consider the other side.  It really is tiresome 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 22, 2018, 10:41:07 am
Day 2 of testing at Valencia completed and MV12 on a factory Yamaha is fastest again.  I bet he is a happy young Spaniard!  They now move to Jerez for testing next week.  It would be interesting to see how the Yamies do there as they really struggled at Jerez the past two seasons.

Vinales:  Fastest with both Evolution 1 and 2 engines.  He is not sure which is best.
Rossi:  Not sure that there is much difference between the two Evolution engines.  Both are better than the 2018 version
Espargaro, A:  Not sure the new Aprilia is better than last year's, but believes they know how to improve it, since he and new team mate Iannone are in agreement on the issues.
Marquez:  Concentrating on different engines.  Honda brought three possible bikes for 2019 for him to test.
Miller:  He jumped from the 2017 Ducati he used this year to a full factory spec 2019 bike.  In typical Aussie style he expressed his surprise that he could manage to actually stay on that PoS GP17 compared to this magical GP19.
Petrucci:  Seems deeply in love with the 2019 GP19 Ducati.  He could not find a single negative thing to say about it.
Morbidelli:  Seems he will be come the ZarcoThornInTheSide of the factory Yamaha guys next year.  The kid is fast right out of the starting blocks.
Zarco:  Getting used to the KTM, but laments its lack of speed.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 22, 2018, 11:55:48 am
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

Very typical of all the so-called haters and / or fanboys.  They all have one thing in common.  They are incapable of seeing that their behaviour is exactly like that of what they consider the other side.  It really is tiresome

Always seems to be one of these guys lurking around.......its a small man thing. When VR or MM or any of these riders retire the small man moves on to the next rider to hate. Its really lame!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 22, 2018, 12:04:19 pm
At last Yamaha looks to have found something. MV and Vale must be super stoked after the dismal 2018 season.
I'm hoping for Zarco to be competitive in 2019, but that KTM looks to be a bit of a dog. Lets hope its still early days.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 22, 2018, 01:05:17 pm
At last Yamaha looks to have found something. MV and Vale must be super stoked after the dismal 2018 season.
I'm hoping for Zarco to be competitive in 2019, but that KTM looks to be a bit of a dog. Lets hope its still early days.

It seems that the Yamahas are more competitive and Yamaha finally caught on to a few things that Ducati and Honda have been doing for some time.  Maybe this will help them to develop their bike faster and in pace with Ducati and Honda.

- Yamaha FINALLY agreed to provide one full factory spec bike to their satellite team.  Morbidelli will ride this bike.  Crutchlow did this job for Honda and Petrucci for Ducati.  With Petrux into the factory team, Jack Miller gets the GP19 next year.  It increases the amount of development time, available data, etc. by a third.
-  Yamaha FINALLY appointed an experienced MGP rider in Jonas Folger as their test rider, instead of some has been Japanese Superbike rider.

Early days indeed, but at least Yamaha looks like they are on the right track.

The KTM's are close, but not a race winner yet.  This is bound to change as KTM does not build bikes and enter races to be an "also ran".  They will be working very hard at being more competitive and they already gave notice with signing Zarco.  Their contract with their satellite team, Tech3 shows they are serious as they will supply full factory bikes to Tech3 and see them as one team with two sponsors, rather than a factory and a satellite team.  I am really looking forward to seeing Zarco take KTM to new levels and I believe he will.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on November 22, 2018, 04:01:39 pm
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

It was not laughing, it was cheering and jumping and high fives. Marquez was not even leading, but in 3rd position when he crashed!! Which makes it even more pathetic.

Did you miss the part where it was dead silent when Rossi crashed, even with a lot of "Rossi haters" around?

That was the actual point of my long tale.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on November 22, 2018, 04:55:09 pm
You can subscribe the the MotoGP video pass for the off season for 1 Euro on their Black Friday deal.  Don't hesitate and go there now so you can enjoy all the testing etc for next to nothing (plus all interviews, past races etc etc) until 4 March.

www.Motogp.com

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 22, 2018, 06:27:37 pm
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

It was not laughing, it was cheering and jumping and high fives. Marquez was not even leading, but in 3rd position when he crashed!! Which makes it even more pathetic.

Did you miss the part where it was dead silent when Rossi crashed, even with a lot of "Rossi haters" around?

That was the actual point of my long tale.

I know, you're trying to convey how the MM fans are the decent guys....... :pot: :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 22, 2018, 07:02:40 pm
You can subscribe the the MotoGP video pass for the off season for 1 Euro on their Black Friday deal.  Don't hesitate and go there now so you can enjoy all the testing etc for next to nothing (plus all interviews, past races etc etc) until 4 March.

www.Motogp.com

Hurry on up dogs....this is for real. I just signed for 1 euro.
Shot Amsterdam
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on November 22, 2018, 10:13:37 pm
Thanks, Sonny, but we got TheBear ................ for free  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 22, 2018, 10:19:59 pm
Thanks, Sonny, but we got TheBear ................ for free  :thumleft:

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 23, 2018, 10:33:11 am
You can subscribe the the MotoGP video pass for the off season for 1 Euro on their Black Friday deal.  Don't hesitate and go there now so you can enjoy all the testing etc for next to nothing (plus all interviews, past races etc etc) until 4 March.

www.Motogp.com

+1.

Only issue is, as in past years, there will be varkol M2 and M3 action. 

Thanks, Sonny, but we got TheBear ................ for free  :thumleft:

Darn!  I thought you said the cheque was in the mail!!!???   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 23, 2018, 10:38:39 am
New era in MotoGP history.  Pre-season testing of Moto2's with the new Triumph engine and the MotoE's on Jerez in Spain.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2018, 04:08:19 pm
New era in MotoGP history.  Pre-season testing of Moto2's with the new Triumph engine and the MotoE's on Jerez in Spain.

I am really looking forward to moto-E !

When they banned 2stroke sound from the racetracks, sound stopped playing any role for me in MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on November 23, 2018, 05:18:53 pm
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

It was not laughing, it was cheering and jumping and high fives. Marquez was not even leading, but in 3rd position when he crashed!! Which makes it even more pathetic.

Did you miss the part where it was dead silent when Rossi crashed, even with a lot of "Rossi haters" around?

That was the actual point of my long tale.

Yep, it was weird, but at least it is making more sense now after experiencing it with a live audience and not just a bunch of keyboard warriors
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 23, 2018, 09:32:33 pm
Aw come on Bus, you keep harping on the Rossi fans, and how blind they are, yet your posting of a long tale of people laughing at your hero falling off just shows your own eye-flaps.

It was not laughing, it was cheering and jumping and high fives. Marquez was not even leading, but in 3rd position when he crashed!! Which makes it even more pathetic.

Did you miss the part where it was dead silent when Rossi crashed, even with a lot of "Rossi haters" around?

That was the actual point of my long tale.

Yep, it was weird, but at least it is making more sense now after experiencing it with a live audience and not just a bunch of keyboard warriors

Why do you guys watch MotoGP with the Rossi crowd?

Of course, for every fan of MM, Rossi has a thousand.

Who cheers when MM falls off. Regularly. :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on November 24, 2018, 02:23:07 pm
At the end of the day all the MotoGP riders are superstars at the top of their game.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 26, 2018, 08:44:59 am
Just had three days of testing for Moto2 and Moto E at Jerez.

In Moto2 it seems that Kalex have the new Triumph engines and unified ECU's dialed in a tad better than anyone else since the top 10 or so bikes over the three days were all Kalex, with VR46's brother Luca Marini being the fastest.  Brad Binder was fastest KTM and thirteenth.  They did suffer from a bad disadvantage as their new rider, Jorge Martin, crashed on Day 1 and broke some bones in his foot, leaving them with half the info gained.   

MotoE seems interesting.  In the current trim they were about 10s per lap slower than the Moto2's, bu the riders are all in agreement that a lot of testing and setup is still required.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 26, 2018, 08:46:39 am
At the end of the day all the MotoGP riders are superstars at the top of their game.

For sure, but what makes MotoGP more interesting at present is that there are heros and villains.  Your hero may well be my villain, but without heros and villains you have boredom. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Warren Ellwood on November 28, 2018, 05:18:37 pm
Jorge already quick considering he has a recently broken wrist and is on a new bike.

Jerez MotoGP times - Wednesday 2:30pm

Marc Marquez SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 38.517s
Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosesdici) 1m 38.519s +0.002s
Jorge Lorenzo SPA Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 38.749s +0.232s
Maverick Vinales SPA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 38.999s +0.482s
Andrea Iannone ITA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 39.008s +0.491s
Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) 1m 39.119s +0.602s
Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 39.127s +0.610s
Alex Rins SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 39.150s +0.633s
Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 39.397s +0.880s
Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici) 1m 39.575s +1.058s
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 28, 2018, 05:23:16 pm
This week always creates interesting WSBK versus MotoGP comparisons as they test on the same track, during the same week.  This week, Monday and Tuesday was private testing (not all teams are there) for WSBK at Jerez and Wednesday and Thursday is official MGP testing (all teams are there).  Look at the fastest times.

Top 6:

Petrux 1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami: 1:38.348
Vinales: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Morbidelli: 1:38.659
Rea: 1:38.713
George 1:38.749

After George there are 4 MGP bikes before the next WSBK bike.

Another interesting comparison:

Alvaro Bautista, 1:38, 830 - MGP Ducati Factory Team (Stand in test rider)
Alvaro Bautista, 1:39.845. - WSBK Aruba.It Ducati Factory

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 29, 2018, 09:32:23 am
Final times from the first day of testing at Jerez:

Petrux:  1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami:  1:38.348 (Riding the ex-Cal Crutchlow 2018 machine now and next year)
Maverick: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Franky: 1:38.659 (Them factory Yamaha riders better keep an I on this young man)
George: 1:38.749
Jackass: 1:38.816
Bautista: 1:38.830
Mir: 1:38.956

VR46 only managed the 17th fastest time at 1:39.596.  In his defense, he didn't do many laps due to technical failure (must be in his kit, since 2SD have convinced us all it cannot possibly be the Yamaha)

Some thoughts of riders:

Zarco:  Still too slow, but adapting to the bike.  Likes the engine. Still a lot to try and understand.
Rossi:  Happy that he and MV12 agrees on which 2019 engine is best, but feels that the engine, while better is already behind the competition.
Petrucci:  Happy as an Italian in the Ducati factory with the factory Ducati.
Vinales:  More positive about the engine than VR46.  Feels the 2019 bike is much easier to ride fast.
Marquez:  Faster on the 2018 bike than the 2019 bike.  He likes the feeling of the 2019 bike.
Dovi:  Fast, but not sure why.  He may be playing his pace down as rumour have it that Ducati have solved their turning issues.  He spend most of his time on track assessing two different 2019 chassis.
Morbidelli:  Happy with good pace, but feels he still have a lot to learn about the Yamaha.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on November 29, 2018, 04:18:05 pm
Final times from the first day of testing at Jerez:

Petrux:  1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami:  1:38.348 (Riding the ex-Cal Crutchlow 2018 machine now and next year)
Maverick: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Franky: 1:38.659 (Them factory Yamaha riders better keep an I on this young man)
George: 1:38.749
Jackass: 1:38.816
Bautista: 1:38.830
Mir: 1:38.956

VR46 only managed the 17th fastest time at 1:39.596.  In his defense, he didn't do many laps due to technical failure (must be in his kit, since 2SD have convinced us all it cannot possibly be the Yamaha)

Some thoughts of riders:

Zarco:  Still too slow, but adapting to the bike.  Likes the engine. Still a lot to try and understand.
Rossi:  Happy that he and MV12 agrees on which 2019 engine is best, but feels that the engine, while better is already behind the competition.
Petrucci:  Happy as an Italian in the Ducati factory with the factory Ducati.
Vinales:  More positive about the engine than VR46.  Feels the 2019 bike is much easier to ride fast.
Marquez:  Faster on the 2018 bike than the 2019 bike.  He likes the feeling of the 2019 bike.
Dovi:  Fast, but not sure why.  He may be playing his pace down as rumour have it that Ducati have solved their turning issues.  He spend most of his time on track assessing two different 2019 chassis.
Morbidelli:  Happy with good pace, but feels he still have a lot to learn about the Yamaha.

Laugh of the day ...............  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 29, 2018, 04:35:08 pm
Wat is blou en blits vinnig?
Ek weet nie, maar dus nie VR nie....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 29, 2018, 05:03:36 pm
Final times from the first day of testing at Jerez:

Petrux:  1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami:  1:38.348 (Riding the ex-Cal Crutchlow 2018 machine now and next year)
Maverick: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Franky: 1:38.659 (Them factory Yamaha riders better keep an I on this young man)
George: 1:38.749
Jackass: 1:38.816
Bautista: 1:38.830
Mir: 1:38.956

VR46 only managed the 17th fastest time at 1:39.596.  In his defense, he didn't do many laps due to technical failure (must be in his kit, since 2SD have convinced us all it cannot possibly be the Yamaha)

Some thoughts of riders:

Zarco:  Still too slow, but adapting to the bike.  Likes the engine. Still a lot to try and understand.
Rossi:  Happy that he and MV12 agrees on which 2019 engine is best, but feels that the engine, while better is already behind the competition.
Petrucci:  Happy as an Italian in the Ducati factory with the factory Ducati.
Vinales:  More positive about the engine than VR46.  Feels the 2019 bike is much easier to ride fast.
Marquez:  Faster on the 2018 bike than the 2019 bike.  He likes the feeling of the 2019 bike.
Dovi:  Fast, but not sure why.  He may be playing his pace down as rumour have it that Ducati have solved their turning issues.  He spend most of his time on track assessing two different 2019 chassis.
Morbidelli:  Happy with good pace, but feels he still have a lot to learn about the Yamaha.

Laugh of the day ...............  :imaposer: :imaposer:

Bus gaan jou opfok as jy lag vir n ryer wat sukkel.......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on November 29, 2018, 05:42:34 pm
This week always creates interesting WSBK versus MotoGP comparisons as they test on the same track, during the same week.  This week, Monday and Tuesday was private testing (not all teams are there) for WSBK at Jerez and Wednesday and Thursday is official MGP testing (all teams are there).  Look at the fastest times.

Top 6:

Petrux 1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami: 1:38.348
Vinales: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Morbidelli: 1:38.659
Rea: 1:38.713
George 1:38.749

After George there are 4 MGP bikes before the next WSBK bike.

Another interesting comparison:

Alvaro Bautista, 1:38, 830 - MGP Ducati Factory Team (Stand in test rider)
Alvaro Bautista, 1:39.845. - WSBK Aruba.It Ducati Factory
I would never have thought a WSB rider would manage such a similar pace to the GP bikes.
No wonder Rea destroys the rest of the WSB field.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 29, 2018, 06:29:33 pm
This week always creates interesting WSBK versus MotoGP comparisons as they test on the same track, during the same week.  This week, Monday and Tuesday was private testing (not all teams are there) for WSBK at Jerez and Wednesday and Thursday is official MGP testing (all teams are there).  Look at the fastest times.

Top 6:

Petrux 1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami: 1:38.348
Vinales: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Morbidelli: 1:38.659
Rea: 1:38.713
George 1:38.749

After George there are 4 MGP bikes before the next WSBK bike.

Another interesting comparison:

Alvaro Bautista, 1:38, 830 - MGP Ducati Factory Team (Stand in test rider)
Alvaro Bautista, 1:39.845. - WSBK Aruba.It Ducati Factory
I would never have thought a WSB rider would manage such a similar pace to the GP bikes.
No wonder Rea destroys the rest of the WSB field.

i agree with you, rea`s performance is very impressive.
I have not been watching motogp this year, but next season might be watching againm, with jorge and mm teaming up....
 die 2 duifies gaan dalk quarrels he.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 30, 2018, 08:24:26 am
This week always creates interesting WSBK versus MotoGP comparisons as they test on the same track, during the same week.  This week, Monday and Tuesday was private testing (not all teams are there) for WSBK at Jerez and Wednesday and Thursday is official MGP testing (all teams are there).  Look at the fastest times.

Top 6:

Petrux 1:37.968
Dovi: 1:38.185
Nakagami: 1:38.348
Vinales: 1:38.376
MM93: 1:38.517
Morbidelli: 1:38.659
Rea: 1:38.713
George 1:38.749

After George there are 4 MGP bikes before the next WSBK bike.

Another interesting comparison:

Alvaro Bautista, 1:38, 830 - MGP Ducati Factory Team (Stand in test rider)
Alvaro Bautista, 1:39.845. - WSBK Aruba.It Ducati Factory
I would never have thought a WSB rider would manage such a similar pace to the GP bikes.
No wonder Rea destroys the rest of the WSB field.

Janee!  Rea was always a great rider.   Certainly amongst the best.  Then Kawasaki came along and handed him a bike that suits him to a tee and turned him into a giant killer!  I reckon MGP is writing rules such as: "No one with a three letter surname starting with an R and ending with an A on a Kawasaki is allowed in MGP!"   He would certainly make a few well known brands and names suffer even more!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 30, 2018, 08:33:25 am
Yesterday's times from Jerez:

Nakagami: 1:37.945    :patch:
That double M dude:  1:37.970
Maverick: 1:38.066
JL99:  1:38.105
Petrux: 1:38.109
Franky: 1:38.118
Miller: 1:38.207
Dovi: 1:38.207
Pecca: 1:38.333
Rins: 1:38.522

VR managed 11th.  He is not a happy Yamie rider at present.  Apparently the bike is very quick on a new tyre and then chows the tyre and lap times come down. 
Nakagami:  He is more surprised than anyone with his fastest time for the day.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on November 30, 2018, 08:52:23 am
Some pretty close times.. I only caught glimpses of it online, MM already with the psychological advantage over Lorenzo.. I hope VR gets up there and in the mix.. I may be a Repsol supporter but when VR gets stuck in there you know its going to be good. How was Zarco running?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on November 30, 2018, 09:15:49 am
Some pretty close times.. I only caught glimpses of it online, MM already with the psychological advantage over Lorenzo.. I hope VR gets up there and in the mix.. I may be a Repsol supporter but when VR gets stuck in there you know its going to be good. How was Zarco running?

I have to agree.  I am a Yamaha supporter and would love to see them in the mix for top spot, but with competition.  It is just better if we have 4 - 5 manufacturers fighting it out, instead of one ruling the roost. 

Zarco is struggling.  17th on day 1 and 19th on day 2.  It looks bad, but overall, it seems KTM is battling as, on day 2 they were:

Espargaro: 17th
Zarco: 19th
Syahrin: 23rd
Oliviera: 24.th

I hope they get their bikes sorted as well.  The problem for all of them, KTM, Aprilia, Suzuki and Yamaha is that it seems they made a jump from the 2018 bikes, but Honda and Ducati made a bigger jump.  Rossi sort of summarized it that they are all good for 6th, maybe 4th if someone crashes, but Ducati and Honda just way ahead again.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on November 30, 2018, 12:16:29 pm
Bus gaan jou opfok as jy lag vir n ryer wat sukkel.......

:bluduh:

Jou leesbril soek, oom Daan?

Ek lag al vir 9 jaar vir 'n ryer wat sukkel.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on November 30, 2018, 02:56:34 pm
I don't think you can read anything into the times on these tests.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Warren Ellwood on November 30, 2018, 04:24:10 pm
So remember when Ducati gave Jorge a new tank.........................and immediately he was quick.

Looks like Honda listened much earlier.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on November 30, 2018, 06:30:30 pm
I don't think you can read anything into the times on these tests.

Ok, I hope you saying Rossi will come teach these youngsters a thing or 2.
No wait, that sounds wrong, just like a Catholic priest teaching youngsters new things...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 01, 2018, 09:30:43 pm
Bus gaan jou opfok as jy lag vir n ryer wat sukkel.......

:bluduh:

Jou leesbril soek, oom Daan?

Ek lag al vir 9 jaar vir 'n ryer wat sukkel.

Vir wat moan jy dan as die VR fans lag vir MM wat in die stof rondkruip?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on December 03, 2018, 08:58:46 am
I don't think you can read anything into the times on these tests.

Ok, I hope you saying Rossi will come teach these youngsters a thing or 2.
No wait, that sounds wrong, just like a Catholic priest teaching youngsters new things...

No I'm not saying that; these teams will all play their cards very close to their chests at this stage; they don't want the other teams to know how good or bad things are going.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on December 03, 2018, 09:41:48 am
Bus gaan jou opfok as jy lag vir n ryer wat sukkel.......

:bluduh:

Jou leesbril soek, oom Daan?

Ek lag al vir 9 jaar vir 'n ryer wat sukkel.

Vir wat moan jy dan as die VR fans lag vir MM wat in die stof rondkruip?

Groot verskil tussen iemand wat sukkel en iemand wat val/seerkry
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 03, 2018, 01:09:34 pm
Bus gaan jou opfok as jy lag vir n ryer wat sukkel.......

:bluduh:

Jou leesbril soek, oom Daan?

Ek lag al vir 9 jaar vir 'n ryer wat sukkel.

Vir wat moan jy dan as die VR fans lag vir MM wat in die stof rondkruip?

Groot verskil tussen iemand wat sukkel en iemand wat val/seerkry

Ja, val is baie snaakser. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on December 04, 2018, 11:11:55 am
Yamaha seems to be exactly where they were at the start of the 2017 season.  MV12 loves the bike and believe he will win the Championship on it.  VR46 feels the bike requires a lot of development and attention.  Lets hope they listen to VR this time round.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on December 13, 2018, 09:54:58 am
KTM wants to buy Ducati.............

Read this article on ASHALT and RUBBER

This should sort out Zarco's problems  O0


The future of Ducati seems to be always up in the air, especially with Volkswagen AG’s constant back-and-forth when it comes to selling the motorcycle brand.

The German’s latest attempt to sell Ducati may have faltered in the boardroom, but there is new reason to believe that acquisition talks could be started for Ducati, as KTM CEO Stefan Pierer has expressed interest in owning the Italian motorcycle company.

Talking to German-language publication Speedweek, Pierer expressed his interest in adding Ducati to his stable of motorcycle marques, and floated some ideas on how Ducati could fit into KTM’s overall two-wheeled strategy.





His thoughts are…interesting, to say the least.

The conversation stems from Pierer’s desire to make KTM into the third-largest motorcycle brand in the world by 2020, behind Honda and Yamaha. Editor’s note: we assume this to mean third-largest in the big displacement categories.

With over 265,000 motorcycles sold each year now, KTM has been one of the few brands to sustain its growth through the recession and onward. In the US market, for instance, KTM is one of only a handful of brands showing sales growth – at our last count, by a margin of 30%.





This growth doesn’t include the success that KTM has seen from the Husqvarna brand, which itself has seen a phoenix’s rising while under the management of Pierer and KTM. What does this all mean for Ducati though?

For sure, KTM would be a home for Ducati that understands the motorcycle business, and having an owner that wasn’t thinking of Ducati as a financial instrument is probably a wise course for a brand that works in the motorcycle industry.

But in his talking to Speedweek, Pierer makes some interesting comments that should give loyal Ducatisti pause.

 “I soon realized that the automotive industry often plays a pioneering role for the motorcycle industry,” said Pierer to Speedweek (translation by Google). “When the Volkswagen Group with all its brands developed the platform strategy, I saw this as a role model.”





“Today, engines and chassis are built partly identical for both brands [KTM and Husqvarna], but in the house with us is not working against each other. Now we can offer two brands under one roof, thereby increasing the customer frequency.”

It is hard to argue that the platform strategy is not working out for KTM and Husqvarna (I’ll make a counterpart to this at a later time), but what does it mean if Ducati is added to the mix?

Will desmodromic engines be on KTMs, will v-twin engines be replaced on Ducatis? It is hard to see how KTM , Husqvarna, and Ducati can all share a platform without losing their individual identities.

The overlap between KTM and Ducati might be too large of pill to swallow as well, with both companies focusing on their racing heritage to move motorcycles.

“Ducati is the Ferrari of the motorcycle industry,” continued Pierer with Speedweek. “Of course, having such a brand in our group would be interesting. It is not a question of price, but it is about the topic: When does everyone realize the situation they are in.”

The situation that Pierer is referring to is the changing global climate, and the ever increasing challenges that OEMs face when it comes to emission and noise standards.

Pierer is also referring to the motorcycle industry’s new map, which no longer favors the western markets, and insteads turns towards the rising sales in India, China, and Southeast Asia (to name a few locales).

The question then becomes, how does a brand like Ducati face these new realities, and for Pierer, how does he manage KTM and Husqvarna for this brave new world for motorcycles?

Is the answer large motorcycle manufacturer conglomerates? Only time will tell. Until then, we are sure there are some interesting conversations happening in VW’s boardroom right now.

Source: Speedweek
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on January 24, 2019, 09:48:37 am
Lots of news, news titbits, rumour, etc. from the MotoGP paddock.  Interesting is that JL99 can't participate in the first testing of 2019 due injury suffered when he crashed a off-road bike during training.  Also MM93 is dubious for first testing as he is still healing from shoulder operation done last year after the season ended.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Warren Ellwood on January 24, 2019, 01:42:51 pm
I signed up for the full video pass for 2019, all the races, all the sessions, all the interviews (pre and post)  and loads more interesting videos.

Was just over 2.2k for the year and I've already been getting my monies worth.

So now have fibre and MotoGP , by bye DSTV.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on January 24, 2019, 02:10:24 pm
I signed up for the full video pass for 2019, all the races, all the sessions, all the interviews (pre and post)  and loads more interesting videos.

Was just over 2.2k for the year and I've already been getting my monies worth.

So now have fibre and MotoGP , by bye DSTV.

Sadly, where I stay there is no fibre.  Only connection is via 4G and that is a tad expensive datawise to stream all the time.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 04, 2019, 10:42:38 am
2019 season well and truly on with first testing in Malaysia the past week.  This was new and interesting development having three days of "shake down" testing.  All manufacturers could participate, but only with test riders.  The teams with concessions could have their normal riders riding though.  While the teams all rocked up with two variants of bikes for testing, KTM brought 7.  Clearly in the mood to do better than a point here, or there.

The past week or so, the teams also launched their 2019 colours.  The two that attracted most attention was the new Yamaha satellite team, Petronas Sepang Racing Team and Yamaha Factory Team, who lost their Movistar sponsorship.  As expected their new sponsor was confirmed as Monster Energy.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on February 04, 2019, 11:20:51 am
2019 season well and truly on with first testing in Malaysia the past week.  This was new and interesting development having three days of "shake down" testing.  All manufacturers could participate, but only with test riders.  The teams with concessions could have their normal riders riding though.  While the teams all rocked up with two variants of bikes for testing, KTM brought 7.  Clearly in the mood to do better than a point here, or there.

The past week or so, the teams also launched their 2019 colours.  The two that attracted most attention was the new Yamaha satellite team, Petronas Sepang Racing Team and Yamaha Factory Team, who lost their Movistar sponsorship.  As expected their new sponsor was confirmed as Monster Energy.
I quite like the Monster Yamaha look. They could've given it a tad more blue, there really is a lot of black. And it's a nice blue too, that.

Edit: There's some subtle differences between the satellite team's bike and the factory team, apart from the paint job, of course. Do they ride identical bikes? Or it the satellite team a separate entity altogether (like in F1) that designs their own stuff (but based on the factory bike)?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 04, 2019, 11:38:46 am
2019 season well and truly on with first testing in Malaysia the past week.  This was new and interesting development having three days of "shake down" testing.  All manufacturers could participate, but only with test riders.  The teams with concessions could have their normal riders riding though.  While the teams all rocked up with two variants of bikes for testing, KTM brought 7.  Clearly in the mood to do better than a point here, or there.

The past week or so, the teams also launched their 2019 colours.  The two that attracted most attention was the new Yamaha satellite team, Petronas Sepang Racing Team and Yamaha Factory Team, who lost their Movistar sponsorship.  As expected their new sponsor was confirmed as Monster Energy.
I quite like the Monster Yamaha look. They could've given it a tad more blue, there really is a lot of black. And it's a nice blue too, that.

Edit: There's some subtle differences between the satellite team's bike and the factory team, apart from the paint job, of course. Do they ride identical bikes? Or it the satellite team a separate entity altogether (like in F1) that designs their own stuff (but based on the factory bike)?

I also like Yamaha blue with the Monster black.  I would have made a small change though.  I would have made the Monstor logo yellow on VR's bike and red on MV's bike

The satellite team is a separate entity completely, but they do sign a contract that includes, or excludes certain things.  In this case the satellite team will have one 2018 spec bike and one full on 2019 factory bike.  Yamaha finally woke up to the advantages of having at least one factory bike in the satellite team  as they will then have access to more data and information.  Ducati and Honda has been doing this for years.  So, Morbidelli (a VR46 Academy rider and VR's friend) will ride the full factory bike for the Petronas team. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on February 04, 2019, 12:19:13 pm

I also like Yamaha blue with the Monster black.  I would have made a small change though.  I would have made the Monstor logo yellow on VR's bike and red on MV's bike
Now that is a good plan! But, people would then not have to look for "The Doctor" on his arse, or the "VR46" helmet to distinguish them, and VR might not be too happy about losing exposure to his own brand.  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 04, 2019, 12:33:44 pm

I also like Yamaha blue with the Monster black.  I would have made a small change though.  I would have made the Monstor logo yellow on VR's bike and red on MV's bike
Now that is a good plan! But, people would then not have to look for "The Doctor" on his arse, or the "VR46" helmet to distinguish them, and VR might not be too happy about losing exposure to his own brand.  :lol8:

Hmmmm ..., you may be right, but they already have one leg of their leathers coloured yellow (VR) and red (MV).  Also, one of the VR fan club's war cry's is "POPOLLO GIALLO!" - more yellow!   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on February 04, 2019, 01:28:05 pm
What's that picture at the back of the seat? Looks to me like the rider will be showing his arse to someone. Who?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on February 04, 2019, 04:47:14 pm
2019 season well and truly on with first testing in Malaysia the past week.  This was new and interesting development having three days of "shake down" testing.  All manufacturers could participate, but only with test riders.  The teams with concessions could have their normal riders riding though.  While the teams all rocked up with two variants of bikes for testing, KTM brought 7.  Clearly in the mood to do better than a point here, or there.

The past week or so, the teams also launched their 2019 colours.  The two that attracted most attention was the new Yamaha satellite team, Petronas Sepang Racing Team and Yamaha Factory Team, who lost their Movistar sponsorship.  As expected their new sponsor was confirmed as Monster Energy.

Interesting to see they have different forks.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 05, 2019, 02:35:52 pm
2019 season well and truly on with first testing in Malaysia the past week.  This was new and interesting development having three days of "shake down" testing.  All manufacturers could participate, but only with test riders.  The teams with concessions could have their normal riders riding though.  While the teams all rocked up with two variants of bikes for testing, KTM brought 7.  Clearly in the mood to do better than a point here, or there.

The past week or so, the teams also launched their 2019 colours.  The two that attracted most attention was the new Yamaha satellite team, Petronas Sepang Racing Team and Yamaha Factory Team, who lost their Movistar sponsorship.  As expected their new sponsor was confirmed as Monster Energy.

Interesting to see they have different forks.

It is highly unlikely that the bikes shown at the different launches are the actual bikes that will race.  Way too many spies around and te launch is really only about the new sponsors and colours.

What's that picture at the back of the seat? Looks to me like the rider will be showing his arse to someone. Who?

 :laughing4:

Not sure who is in the piccie there..  VR's bike normally have a piccie of his bulldogs there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 07, 2019, 11:48:51 am
Official testing at Sepang in Malaysia.  So, who can guess who was fastest yesterday?  I will give you 93 guesses .....

Day 2, fastest is Vinales.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ben-57 on February 07, 2019, 01:51:37 pm
Can't wait.  Its going to be hectic again...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on February 07, 2019, 02:59:16 pm

Sepang MotoGP Test
Session 2 as of 07/02/2019
PDF Analysis
PDF Classification
Pos         Rider    Team    Fastest lap    Lead. Gap    Prev. Gap    Laps    Last lap
1       VIÑALES, Maverick    Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP    1:58.897          62 / 63    
2       RINS, Alex    Team SUZUKI ECSTAR    1:59.424    0.527    0.527    58 / 61    
3       MILLER, Jack    Alma Pramac Racing    1:59.517    0.620    0.093    48 / 49    
4       DOVIZIOSO, Andrea    Mission Winnow Ducati    1:59.562    0.665    0.045    19 / 60    
5       CRUTCHLOW, Cal    LCR Honda CASTROL    1:59.566    0.669    0.004    14 / 53    
6       ROSSI, Valentino    Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP    1:59.625    0.728    0.059    8 / 51    
7       RABAT, Tito    Reale Avintia Racing    1:59.664    0.767    0.039    74 / 75    
8       MARQUEZ, Marc    Repsol Honda Team    1:59.790    0.893    0.126    5 / 37    
9       PETRUCCI, Danilo    Mission Winnow Ducati    1:59.845    0.948    0.055    11 / 65    
10       NAKAGAMI, Takaaki    LCR Honda IDEMITSU    1:59.966    1.069    0.121    57 / 60    

Looks like Yamaha is getting things right again
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 08, 2019, 09:56:16 am

Sepang MotoGP Test
Session 2 as of 07/02/2019
PDF Analysis
PDF Classification
Pos         Rider    Team    Fastest lap    Lead. Gap    Prev. Gap    Laps    Last lap
1       VIÑALES, Maverick    Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP    1:58.897          62 / 63    
2       RINS, Alex    Team SUZUKI ECSTAR    1:59.424    0.527    0.527    58 / 61    
3       MILLER, Jack    Alma Pramac Racing    1:59.517    0.620    0.093    48 / 49    
4       DOVIZIOSO, Andrea    Mission Winnow Ducati    1:59.562    0.665    0.045    19 / 60    
5       CRUTCHLOW, Cal    LCR Honda CASTROL    1:59.566    0.669    0.004    14 / 53    
6       ROSSI, Valentino    Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP    1:59.625    0.728    0.059    8 / 51    
7       RABAT, Tito    Reale Avintia Racing    1:59.664    0.767    0.039    74 / 75    
8       MARQUEZ, Marc    Repsol Honda Team    1:59.790    0.893    0.126    5 / 37    
9       PETRUCCI, Danilo    Mission Winnow Ducati    1:59.845    0.948    0.055    11 / 65    
10       NAKAGAMI, Takaaki    LCR Honda IDEMITSU    1:59.966    1.069    0.121    57 / 60    

Looks like Yamaha is getting things right again

That worries me a tad.  It is similar to the previous years.  Vinales fast.  Rossi fastish.  Then they fall apart once racing starts.  The good thing is both MV and VR is positive about the bike and Yamaha made huge changes during the off-season.  Replaced two top guys in the racing division in Japan.  Created a European test team and bike building facility stationed in Italy.  Lets hope they will be in the fray this year.  They even have, over and above the two factory bikes and riders and the two satellite bikes and riders, two test bikes also on track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 08, 2019, 10:00:28 am
Times:

Day 1:

1  MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda Team 1:59.621   26 / 29   
2  RINS, Alex Team SUZUKI ECSTAR 1:59.880 0.259 0.259 25 / 61   
3  VIÑALES, Maverick Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP 1:59.937 0.316 0.057 28 / 63   
4  RABAT, Tito Reale Avintia Racing 1:59.983 0.362 0.046 58 / 59   
5  PETRUCCI, Danilo Mission Winnow Ducati 2:00.051 0.430 0.068 8 / 54   
6  ROSSI, Valentino Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP 2:00.054 0.433 0.003 22 / 56   
7  NAKAGAMI, Takaaki LCR Honda IDEMITSU 2:00.158 0.537 0.104 54 / 55   
8  DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Mission Winnow Ducati 2:00.197 0.576 0.039 17 / 49   
9  BRADL, Stefan Honda Test Team 2:00.214 0.593 0.017 41 / 61   
10  ESPARGARO, Pol Red Bull KTM Factory Racing 2:00.313 0.692 0.099 3 / 44 

Day 2:

1  VIÑALES, Maverick Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP 1:58.897   62 / 63   
2  RINS, Alex Team SUZUKI ECSTAR 1:59.424 0.527 0.527 58 / 61   
3  MILLER, Jack Alma Pramac Racing 1:59.517 0.620 0.093 48 / 49   
4  DOVIZIOSO, Andrea Mission Winnow Ducati 1:59.562 0.665 0.045 19 / 60   
5  CRUTCHLOW, Cal LCR Honda CASTROL 1:59.566 0.669 0.004 14 / 53   
6  ROSSI, Valentino Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP 1:59.625 0.728 0.059 8 / 51   
7  RABAT, Tito Reale Avintia Racing 1:59.664 0.767 0.039 74 / 75   
8  MARQUEZ, Marc Repsol Honda Team 1:59.790 0.893 0.126 5 / 37   
9  PETRUCCI, Danilo Mission Winnow Ducati 1:59.845 0.948 0.055 11 / 65   
10  NAKAGAMI, Takaaki LCR Honda IDEMITSU 1:59.966 1.069 0.121 57 / 60 

Day 3:

Not concluded yet, but Petrux, Miller, Dovi and Bagnaia seems to be the hot dudes on track.  Currently a Ducati party!  Best non-Ducati is Vinales in 5th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 08, 2019, 12:37:55 pm
Day 3:

Ducati festival, it was:

1      PETRUCCI, Danilo   Mission Winnow Ducati   1:58.239         10 / 32   
2      BAGNAIA, Francesco   Alma Pramac Racing   1:58.302   0.063   0.063   11 / 21   
3      MILLER, Jack   Alma Pramac Racing   1:58.366   0.127   0.064   12 / 47   
4      DOVIZIOSO, Andrea   Mission Winnow Ducati   1:58.538   0.299   0.172   11 / 36   
5      VIÑALES, Maverick   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   1:58.644   0.405   0.106   8 / 79   
6      CRUTCHLOW, Cal   LCR Honda CASTROL   1:58.780   0.541   0.136   17 / 61   
7      ESPARGARO, Aleix   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   1:59.022   0.783   0.242   11 / 52   
8      MORBIDELLI, Franco   Petronas Yamaha SRT   1:59.141   0.902   0.119   8 / 66   
9      NAKAGAMI, Takaaki   LCR Honda IDEMITSU   1:59.148   0.909   0.007   21 / 61   
10      ROSSI, Valentino   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   1:59.155   0.916   0.007   9 / 62   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2019, 01:30:31 pm
It was noted during the above testing that the factory Ducatis have a strange switch on the triple clamp.  Nice and bulky, so easily operable by a gloved hand.  The mutterings are that it is a holeshot device similar to those fitted to MotoX bikes.  Apparently the rider, while braking hard as he approaches his grid position flicks this to one side.  This locks the front suspension in the compressed position making it possible to pull away faster without having to worry about wheelies.  When he then brakes, even harder for the first corner, the device releases the suspension to work normally from then on.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Battlestar on February 13, 2019, 10:11:05 am
I for one cannot wait for this season to start. Really looking forward to the new Moto2 Format. Riders appear to be very happy with the engine characteristics of the triple.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2019, 12:24:44 pm
I for one cannot wait for this season to start. Really looking forward to the new Moto2 Format. Riders appear to be very happy with the engine characteristics of the triple.

Yep!  I am looking forward to Moto2 more than MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: billy-joe on February 16, 2019, 12:01:10 am
looking fwd to the elec bikes too!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Skaiidawg on February 18, 2019, 08:21:00 am
You go BOY  :ricky: :thumleft:

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/binder-ktm-test-winning-bet/4338879/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 18, 2019, 08:48:18 am
looking fwd to the elec bikes too!

Indeed!  I think they will bring a very interesting new dimension.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 21, 2019, 09:28:40 am
Moto 3 and Moto 2 official testing at Jerez in Spain now on.

Day 1 - Combined Times:

Moto 3:

Sergio Garcia  SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda)  1m 46.198s  [Session 2]
2.Gabriel Rodrigo  ARG Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda)  1m 46.247s  [Session 2]
3.Romano Fenati  ITA Snipers Team (Honda)  1m 46.656s  [Session 1]
4.Jaume Masia  SPA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM)  1m 46.669s  [Session 2]
5.Ai Ogura  JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda)  1m 46.681s  [Session 1]
6.Alonso Lopez  SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda)  1m 46.701s  [Session 2]
7.Tatsuki Suzuki  JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda)  1m 46.837s  [Session 3]
8.Raul Fernandez  SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM)  1m 46.842s  [Session 1]
9.John McPhee  GBR Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda)  1m 46.881s  [Session 2]
10.Aron Canet  SPA Sterilgarda Max Racing Team (KTM)  1m 46.899s  [Session 2]
11.Lorenzo Dalla Porta  ITA Leopard Racing (Honda)  1m 46.939s  [Session 3]
12.Niccolo Antonelli  ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda)  1m 46.983s  [Session 1]
13.Tony Arbolino  ITA Snipers Team (Honda)  1m 47.096s  [Session 2]
14.Ayumu Sasaki  JPN Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda)  1m 47.114s  [Session 3]
15.Kazuki Masaki  JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM)  1m 47.214s  [Session 2]
16.Dennis Foggia  ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM)  1m 47.219s  [Session 2]
17.Jakub Kornfeil  CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM)  1m 47.272s  [Session 1]
18.Albert Arenas  SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM)  1m 47.298s  [Session 1]
19.Andrea Migno  ITA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM)  1m 47.330s  [Session 1]
20.Riccardo Rossi  ITA Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda)  1m 47.486s  [Session 2]
21.Can Oncu  TUR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM)  1m 47.612s  [Session 2]
22.Celestino Vietti  ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM)  1m 47.644s  [Session 2]
23.Makar Yurchenko  KAZ BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM)  1m 47.699s  [Session 1]
24.Vicente Perez  SPA Reale Avintia Academy 77 (KTM)  1m 47.898s  [Session 2]
25.Darryn Binder  RSA CIP Green Power (KTM)  1m 47.908s  [Session 2]
26.Marcos Ramirez  SPA Leopard Racing (Honda)  1m 47.966s  [Session 2]
27.Kaito Toba  JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda)  1m 48.012s  [Session 2]
28.Tom Booth-Amos  GBR CIP Green Power (KTM)  1m 48.114s  [Session 2]
29.Filip Salac  CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM)  1m 48.845s  [Session 1]


Moto 2:

1. Luca Marini  ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex)  1m 41.146s  [Session 2]
2.Iker Lecuona  SPA American Racing KTM (KTM)  1m 41.227s  [Session 3]
3.Sam Lowes  GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex)  1m 41.286s  [Session 2]
4.Brad Binder  RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM)  1m 41.368s  [Session 2]
5.Alex Marquez  SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex)  1m 41.370s  [Session 2]
6.Jorge Navarro  SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up)  1m 41.516s  [Session 2]
7.Marcel Schrotter  GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex)  1m 41.561s  [Session 2]
8.Lorenzo Baldassarri  ITA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex)  1m 41.571s  [Session 3]
9.Tom Luthi  SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex)  1m 41.666s  [Session 3]
10.Remy Gardner  AUS ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex)  1m 41.802s  [Session 2]
11.Jorge Martin  SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM)  1m 41.867s  [Session 3]
12.Enea Bastianini  ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex)  1m 41.908s  [Session 2]
13.Xavi Vierge  SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex)  1m 41.925s  [Session 2]
14.Andrea Locatelli  ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex)  1m 42.011s  [Session 3]
15.Tetsuta Nagashima  JPN ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex)  1m 42.021s  [Session 3]
16.Simone Corsi  ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 (Kalex)  1m 42.128s  [Session 3]
17.Bo Bendsneyder  NED NTS RW Racing GP (NTS)  1m 42.191s  [Session 3]
18.Jake Dixon  GBR Angel Nieto Team (KTM)  1m 42.307s  [Session 2]
19.Joe Roberts  USA American Racing KTM (KTM)  1m 42.310s  [Session 2]
20.Fabio Di Giannantonio  ITA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up)  1m 42.411s  [Session 3]
21.Dominique Aegerter  SWI MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta)  1m 42.510s  [Session 2]
22.Nicolo Bulega  ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex)  1m 42.595s  [Session 2]
23.Augusto Fernandez  SPA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex)  1m 42.749s  [Session 3]
24.Lukas Tulovic  GER Kiefer Racing (KTM)  1m 42.815s  [Session 3]
25.Steven Odendaal  RSA NTS RW Racing GP (NTS)  1m 42.894s  [Session 2]
26.Stefano Manzi  ITA MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta)  1m 43.055s  [Session 2]
27.Marco Bezzecchi  ITA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM)  1m 43.133s  [Session 3]
28.Philipp Oettl  GER Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM)  1m 43.180s  [Session 1]
29.Somkiat Chantra  THA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex)  1m 43.255s  [Session 2]
30.Khairul Idham Pawi  MAL Petronas Sprinta Racing (Kalex)  1m 43.434s  [Session 2]
31.Xavier Cardelus  AND Angel Nieto Team (KTM)  1m 43.585s  [Session 1]
32.Dimas Ekky Pratama  INA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex)  1m 43.955s  [Session 3]


The Moto 2 bikes with their new Triumph engines lapped at about 1,5s faster than they did during last year's race at Jerez.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on February 21, 2019, 10:48:22 am
I see Fenati is back. I thought he was banned
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 21, 2019, 11:47:17 am
I see Fenati is back. I thought he was banned

He was only banned for 2018.  I am surprised he got a ride again, though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on February 21, 2019, 12:20:14 pm
Talented young man, but he can't see through the red mist.... Maybe he learnt his lesson
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 21, 2019, 01:00:57 pm
Talented young man, but he can't see through the red mist.... Maybe he learnt his lesson

Ja.  He is a talented rider, if he can manage his own demons.  He is causing himself real harm with his temper.  He got kicked out of the VR46 Academy because of his temper.  He could have been on on of the VR46 Motor 2 bikes the past year and this year and be in MotoGP next year.  Two VR46 riders one generation ahead of Fenati is already in MGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 22, 2019, 07:58:56 am
Day 2 Official Testing for Moto2 and Moto 3 from Jerez and it seems the Red Bull Ajo Team have Brad's bike sorted nicely.  He was fastest on the day and 2nd fastest over the two days.  Brad is more excited about his ability to be consistently fast over many laps, rather than just one flying lap.

M2 Combined Times for the tests:

1. Alex Marquez SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 41.208s [Session 1]
2. Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 41.284s [Session 3]
3. Jorge Navarro SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 41.302s [Session 3]
4. Lorenzo Baldassarri ITA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 41.376s [Session 1]
5. Luca Marini ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 41.423s [Session 3]
6. Sam Lowes GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 41.426s [Session 3]
7. Remy Gardner AUS ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 41.538s [Session 3]
8. Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 41.609s [Session 1]
9. Xavi Vierge SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 41.625s [Session 3]
10. Enea Bastianini ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 41.651s [Session 1]
11. Iker Lecuona SPA American Racing KTM (KTM) 1m 41.791s [Session 1]
12. Nicolo Bulega ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 41.802s [Session 3]
13. Jorge Martin SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 41.878s [Session 3]
14. Tom Luthi SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 41.892s [Session 1]
15. Bo Bendsneyder NED NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 1m 41.958s [Session 3]
16. Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 42.060s [Session 3]
17. Tetsuta Nagashima JPN ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 42.163s [Session 1]
18. Augusto Fernandez SPA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 42.182s [Session 2]
19. Steven Odendaal RSA NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 1m 42.475s [Session 3]
20. Joe Roberts USA American Racing KTM (KTM) 1m 42.589s [Session 3]
21. Khairul Idham Pawi MAL Petronas Sprinta Racing (Kalex) 1m 42.729s [Session 3]
22. Lukas Tulovic GER Kiefer Racing (KTM) 1m 42.832s [Session 3]
23. Simone Corsi ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 42.859s [Session 3]
24. Dominique Aegerter SWI MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 1m 42.970s [Session 2]
25. Somkiat Chantra THA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 42.972s [Session 3]
26. Marco Bezzecchi ITA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 1m 43.034s [Session 3]
27. Andrea Locatelli ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 43.086s [Session 1]
28. Stefano Manzi ITA MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 1m 43.089s [Session 3]
29. Jake Dixon GBR Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 43.158s [Session 1]
30. Philipp Oettl GER Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 1m 43.202s [Session 3]
31. Dimas Ekky Pratama INA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 43.460s [Session 1]
32. Xavier Cardelus AND Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 43.646s [Session 3]

Moto 3:

Aron Canet SPA Sterilgarda Max Racing Team (KTM) 1m 46.455s [Session 2]
Jaume Masia SPA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM) 1m 46.489s [Session 1]
Tony Arbolino ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 1m 46.530s [Session 3]
Lorenzo Dalla Porta ITA Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 46.611s [Session 3]
Marcos Ramirez SPA Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 46.706s [Session 3]
Alonso Lopez SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 1m 46.803s [Session 2]
Sergio Garcia SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 1m 46.850s [Session 1]
Ayumu Sasaki JPN Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 1m 46.953s [Session 3]
Dennis Foggia ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 1m 47.040s [Session 1]
Ai Ogura JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 1m 47.047s [Session 3]
Niccolo Antonelli ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 1m 47.093s [Session 3]
Gabriel Rodrigo ARG Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 1m 47.170s [Session 3]
Albert Arenas SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 47.184s [Session 2]
Romano Fenati ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 1m 47.259s [Session 1]
Raul Fernandez SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 47.263s [Session 3]
Tatsuki Suzuki JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 1m 47.340s [Session 1]
John McPhee GBR Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 1m 47.472s [Session 1]
Celestino Vietti ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 1m 47.483s [Session 3]
Jakub Kornfeil CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM) 1m 47.525s [Session 3]
Filip Salac CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM) 1m 47.555s [Session 1]
Kaito Toba JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 1m 47.614s [Session 3]
Vicente Perez SPA Reale Avintia Academy 77 (KTM) 1m 47.720s [Session 1]
Darryn Binder RSA CIP Green Power (KTM) 1m 47.729s [Session 1]
Andrea Migno ITA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM) 1m 47.766s [Session 3]
Kazuki Masaki JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 1m 47.788s [Session 1]
Can Oncu TUR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 47.842s [Session 1]
Makar Yurchenko KAZ BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 1m 47.998s [Session 2]
Riccardo Rossi ITA Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 1m 49.213s [Session 3]
Tom Booth-Amos GBR CIP Green Power (KTM) 1m 50.420s [Session 1]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on February 22, 2019, 08:40:49 am
Nice to see Steven in the mid pack.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 22, 2019, 10:05:40 am
Nice to see Steven in the mid pack.

Yep, especially since he is riding with an injury which is not 100% healed yet.  I think we all know Brad will do reasonably well, possibly even be champion, but I enjoy following Steven who, with his team who are basically rookies at this level, make steady progress to the points and even regular top 10's.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 23, 2019, 07:33:40 am
Jerez testing, Day 3:

Moto 3:


1 Jaume Masia SPA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM) 1m 45.241s [Session 1]
2 Romano Fenati ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 1m 45.921s [Session 1]
3 Lorenzo Dalla Porta ITA Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 45.936s [Session 3]
4 Tony Arbolino ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 1m 46.051s [Session 2]
5 Andrea Migno ITA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM) 1m 46.084s [Session 1]
6 Aron Canet SPA Sterilgarda Max Racing Team (KTM) 1m 46.088s [Session 1]
7 Albert Arenas SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 46.130s [Session 1]
8 Marcos Ramirez SPA Leopard Racing (Honda) 1m 46.144s [Session 3]
9 Ayumu Sasaki JPN Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 1m 46.212s [Session 2]
10 Tatsuki Suzuki JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 1m 46.215s [Session 1]
11 Sergio Garcia SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 1m 46.228s [Session 1]
12 ciccolo Antonelli ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 1m 46.282s [Session 1]
13 Raul Fernandez SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 46.289s [Session 2]
14 Gabriel Rodrigo ARG Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 1m 46.347s [Session 1]
15 Ai Ogura JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 1m 46.364s [Session 2]
16 Dennis Foggia ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 1m 46.382s [Session 1]
17 Vicente Perez SPA Reale Avintia Academy 77 (KTM) 1m 46.445s [Session 2]
18 Kazuki Masaki JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 1m 46.462s [Session 3]
19 Jakub Kornfeil CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM) 1m 46.532s [Session 1]
20 Alonso Lopez SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 1m 46.580s [Session 3]
21 Darryn Binder RSA CIP Green Power (KTM) 1m 46.666s [Session 2]
22 Can Oncu TUR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 47.014s [Session 3]
23 Celestino Vietti ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 1m 47.054s [Session 1]
24 John McPhee GBR Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 1m 47.166s [Session 2]
25 Makar Yurchenko KAZ BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 1m 47.208s [Session 3]
26 Kaito Toba JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 1m 47.222s [Session 3]
27 Filip Salac CZE Redox PrüstelGP (KTM) 1m 47.256s [Session 2]
28 Riccardo Rossi ITA Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 1m 47.520s [Session 2]
29 Tom Booth-Amos GBR CIP Green Power (KTM) 1m 48.745s [Session 2]

Moto 2:

1 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 40.982s [Session 1]
2 Sam Lowes GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 40.989s [Session 2]
3 Iker Lecuona SPA American Racing KTM (KTM) 1m 41.111s [Session 2]
4 Lorenzo Baldassarri ITA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 41.149s [Session 2]
5 Luca Marini ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 41.155s [Session 3]
6 Alex Marquez SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 41.256s [Session 1]
7 Nicolo Bulega ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 41.281s [Session 3]
8 Remy Gardner AUS ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 41.378s [Session 1]
9Jorge Martin SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 41.385s [Session 1]
10 Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 41.395s [Session 1]
11 Tetsuta Nagashima JPN ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 41.417s [Session 3]
12 Augusto Fernandez SPA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 41.472s [Session 2]
13 Tom Luthi SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 41.508s [Session 2]
14 Jorge Navarro SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 41.600s [Session 3]
15 Bo Bendsneyder NED NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 1m 41.608s [Session 2]
16 Xavi Vierge SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 41.672s [Session 3]
17 Joe Roberts USA American Racing KTM (KTM) 1m 41.706s [Session 2]
18 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 41.736s [Session 1]
19 Enea Bastianini ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 41.788s [Session 2]
20 Dominique Aegerter SWI MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 1m 41.953s [Session 3]
21 Simone Corsi ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 42.053s [Session 1]
22 Stefano Manzi ITA MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 1m 42.061s [Session 1]
23 Jake Dixon GBR Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 42.158s [Session 3]
[24 b]Steven Odendaal RSA NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 1m 42.168s [Session 2][/b]
25 Lukas Tulovic GER Kiefer Racing (KTM) 1m 42.247s [Session 2]
26 Somkiat Chantra THA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 42.318s [Session 2]
27 Andrea Locatelli ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 42.670s [Session 2]
28 Philipp Oettl GER Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 1m 42.672s [Session 2]
29 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 1m 42.756s [Session 2]
30 Khairul Idham Pawi MAL Petronas Sprinta Racing (Kalex) 1m 42.909s [Session 2]
31 Dimas Ekky Pratama INA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 43.441s [Session 2]
32 Xavier Cardelus AND Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 1m 43.561s [Session 2]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2019, 11:42:02 am
Official MotoGP testing from Qatar. 

Times from yesterday. 

For Yamaha, it looks similar to previous years.  MV very fast.  VR fast.  Hope the similarity to previous seasons ends here and that the Yamies stay competitive.  Both riders seem happy with the bikes and believe they may have solved the traction and tyre issues that plagued them during recent years.

The Ducatis are exactly where we would expect them.

Interesting where Honda finds themselves. I wonder what they are working on.  Will be interesting to see how they place today.

1= Maverick Viñales ESP Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 55.051s [Lap 48/50]
2= Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 55.159s +0.108s [45/48]
3= Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 55.550s +0.499s [23/29]
4= Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 55.594s +0.543s [25/37]
5= Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 55.604s +0.553s [42/47]
6= Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 55.694s +0.643s [44/44]
7= Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1)* 1m 55.772s +0.721s [42/49]
8= Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.943s +0.892s [28/45]
9= Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 56.040s +0.989s [43/47]
10= Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 56.167s +1.116s [26/34]
11= Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 56.264s +1.213s [47/52]
12= Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 56.358s +1.307s [24/34]
13^1 Andrea Iannone ITA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 56.447s +1.396s [28/30]
14˅1 Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) 1m 56.511s +1.460s [45/47]
15= Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)* 1m 56.738s +1.687s [27/45]
16= Johann Zarco FRA Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 56.770s +1.719s [24/53]
17= Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* 1m 56.891s +1.840s [28/42]
18= Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 56.921s +1.870s [23/43]
19= Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici) 1m 56.932s +1.881s [33/46]
20= Karel Abraham CZE Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 57.053s +2.002s [22/39]
21= Jorge Lorenzo ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 57.090s +2.039s [31/38]
22= Bradley Smith GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 57.137s +2.086s [29/48]
23= Hafizh Syahrin MAL Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) 1m 57.459s +2.408s [30/44]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2019, 09:00:24 am
MGP Testing, Qatar Day 2:

Looks like RIns and the Suzuki is all hot and bothered.  Honda improving and wheels came off for Rossi.

1= Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 54.593s [Lap 44/47]
2= Maverick Viñales ESP Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.650s +0.057s [33/52]
3= Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1)* 1m 54.908s +0.315s [46/54]
4= Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 54.953s +0.360s [29/48]
5= Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.004s +0.411s [35/57]
6= Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.173s +0.580s [41/55]
7^4 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.175s +0.582s [45/47]
8˅1 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 55.205s +0.612s [28/53]
9˅1 Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.247s +0.654s [29/35]
10˅1 Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 55.255s +0.662s [30/44]
11˅1 Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 55.280s +0.687s [45/48]
12^6 Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici) 1m 55.380s +0.787s [41/42]
13˅1 Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) 1m 55.556s +0.963s [45/52]
14˅1 Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 55.661s +1.068s [46/51]
15˅1 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)* 1m 55.680s +1.087s [29/49]
16^1 Andrea Iannone ITA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.698s +1.105s [35/38]
17˅2 Johann Zarco FRA Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 55.716s +1.123s [42/60]
18˅2 Jorge Lorenzo ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.742s +1.149s [26/44]
19^1 Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 55.795s +1.202s [45/51]
20˅1 Karel Abraham CZE Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 55.951s +1.358s [45/51]
21= Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* 1m 56.274s +1.681s [32/51]
22= Bradley Smith GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 56.866s +2.273s [29/63]
23= Hafizh Syahrin MAL Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) 1m 56.983s +2.390s [31/42]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on February 25, 2019, 10:09:16 am
Ai tog, hoe sukkel Rossi so uit die staanspoor uit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2019, 10:11:16 am
Ai tog, hoe sukkel Rossi so uit die staanspoor uit.

Hy het darem nie te sleg gedoen op Dag 1 nie en hy was heel tevrede met die bike na Dag 1.  Ek het geen ideë wat gebeur het op Dag 2 nie. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 25, 2019, 12:52:29 pm
Is anyone here thinking of going to the Thailand GP?

I was thinking that it would be a cheap way to see a GP but i'm having very little luck planning a trip

The stands are already sold out, so if you a Rossi fan or a MM fan that is not an option but there are other stands open. Tickets are relatively cheap, call it R1500.

but its getting there im having an issue with and acommodation.

Literally every hotel is already fully booked , but I have found an Air B&B that can take 6 people and the whole house for the whole weekend is only about R3k

The problem is getting there, I cant find flights , its like you have to fly into Bangkok and then drive 4 - 5 hours to get to the circuit.. there must be an easier way..

Is anyone planning a trip ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2019, 01:19:49 pm
Interesting rule change for 2019.  The introduction of a penalty zone.  In the past seasons, they used the "drop 1 place" or "drop 2 places" system for smaller penalties, i.e. no pits ride through required.  The problem with that was that penalties were not the same.  Drop 1 place to a guy 0,3s behind you, or drop one place to a guy 3s behind you is not the same thing.  The penalty zone setup, gets rid of the inequality of the penalty. 

Basically, at tracks that allow for this, they will have a penalty line on the outside of a corner, i.e. a lap using that lane will take longer to complete.  Once a rider received the penalty, he must, during the next few laps, use that lane.

Is anyone planning a trip ?

No.  Sorry.  Way too poor.   :'( :'( :'(

If I did spend bucks to go watch a GP, I would go to Mugello though.

Perhaps, with luck, Midrand one day ..... *wildly dreaming*

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 25, 2019, 03:54:25 pm
Well my planning is going like this

Flight CT - Bangkok R7500 return
Accommodation in Bangkok R1700
Transport / food / explore Bangkok R3000
Flight to Buriran R1700 max return
GP Ticket R1500
Accomodation in Buriran R2500
Transport / Meals / etc at GP R2500

Comes in at R20k

Leaving 28 Sep arrive back home about 8 Oct
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: BullSmit on February 25, 2019, 04:24:33 pm
Great, man!!!!

Went to Catalunya in 2017 and had a BLAST!!!

Planning for Philip Island MOTOGP for 2020..

Just check when you order a hot dog... It might just be a hot DOG!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2019, 09:00:06 am
Well my planning is going like this

Flight CT - Bangkok R7500 return
Accommodation in Bangkok R1700
Transport / food / explore Bangkok R3000
Flight to Buriran R1700 max return
GP Ticket R1500
Accomodation in Buriran R2500
Transport / Meals / etc at GP R2500

Comes in at R20k

Leaving 28 Sep arrive back home about 8 Oct

That is a bargain!  Difficult to have a R20k holiday right here in SA!

Better shout for Rossi, nê!    >insert evil eye here< 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2019, 09:03:57 am
Qatar official testing: Day 3:

Don't know what Yamaha Factory and Rossi were testing on Day 2 when he was 19th fastest.  Perhaps checking, if at his age, he could still push the bike around the track.   :lol8:  Anyway, Yamies looking good with all 4 in the top 6.  JL99 clearly getting to know the Honda as he moves upward on the timing sheets. 



1= Maverick Viñales ESP Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.208s [Lap 25/50]
2= Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1)* 1m 54.441s +0.233s [28/48]
3= Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.613s +0.405s [30/53]
4= Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.651s +0.443s [35/38]
5 Jorge Lorenzo ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.653s +0.445s [26/33]
6= Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) 1m 54.660s +0.452s [42/61]
7= Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 54.770s +0.562s [27/37]
8^4 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.789s +0.581s [48/50]
9˅1 Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 54.818s +0.610s [19/43]
10^6 Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici) 1m 54.851s +0.643s [47/47]
11˅2 Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 54.852s +0.644s [28/41]
12˅2 Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 54.997s +0.789s [37/38]
13˅2 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)* 1m 55.074s +0.866s [30/47]
14˅1 Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 55.229s +1.021s [52/66]
15˅1 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 55.233s +1.025s [32/50]
16˅1 Andrea Iannone ITA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.343s +1.135s [21/39]
17= Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 55.690s +1.482s [25/39]
18= Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* 1m 55.773s +1.565s [28/28]
19= Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 55.814s +1.606s [28/54]
20^3 Bradley Smith GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 56.072s +1.864s [37/38]
21˅1 Karel Abraham CZE Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 56.121s +1.913s [26/50]
22˅1 Johann Zarco FRA Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 56.162s +1.954s [32/42]
23˅1 Hafizh Syahrin MAL Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) 1m 56.371s +2.163s [25/42]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 26, 2019, 09:08:54 am
JL99 is still injured, Im not expecting fireworks from him just yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2019, 09:12:19 am
JL99 is still injured, Im not expecting fireworks from him just yet.

Agreed, but 5th on the time sheets is not bad at all.  Combined times over the three days, he is 6th with MM93 (albeit also injured) at 4th.  JL99 is clearly giving notice and the first race is still two weeks away.  Time ti heal more.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on February 26, 2019, 12:40:57 pm
As I predicted I think Zarco will have a tough time of it, I really hope his KTM move does not mean WSBK in one or two seasons for him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on February 26, 2019, 01:00:10 pm
They can test as much as they please, their problem isn't the bikes, it's Marquez.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2019, 01:04:34 pm
They can test as much as they please, their problem isn't the bikes, it's Marquez.

You are correct, but to even begin to take the race to MM, you need a 100% bike.  99,9999% will not be enough.

As I predicted I think Zarco will have a tough time of it, I really hope his KTM move does not mean WSBK in one or two seasons for him.

I think he and the bike will find each other and will be reasonably competitive soon.  He is a very good rider and KTM is going balls to the wall in terms of development.  Perhaps a bit too hard as they had as many as four frames available for testing.  Pol Espargaro is consistently in the the top 10.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 26, 2019, 01:52:10 pm
JL99 is still injured, Im not expecting fireworks from him just yet.

Agreed, but 5th on the time sheets is not bad at all.  Combined times over the three days, he is 6th with MM93 (albeit also injured) at 4th.  JL99 is clearly giving notice and the first race is still two weeks away.  Time ti heal more.

Lorenzo has 3 wins on the circuit to MM's 1 and with Lorenzo scoring a DNF last year I think he will be chomping at the bit to prove himself.. Lorenzo will be pushing for the win without doubt. If he wins it will set the tone for the year that's for sure. The Yamaha bikes have been more than competitive on the track though.. rubbing my hands.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2019, 02:26:20 pm
Lorenzo has 3 wins on the circuit to MM's 1 and with Lorenzo scoring a DNF last year I think he will be chomping at the bit to prove himself.. Lorenzo will be pushing for the win without doubt. If he wins it will set the tone for the year that's for sure. The Yamaha bikes have been more than competitive on the track though.. rubbing my hands.

Yeah.  This track is not considered a "Honda track", but looking at the test times over the past three days, it looks like we may be in for some great racing from Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, Ducati and possibly even a KTM in the mix.  I know, I know, testing often shows nothing, but still worth hoping. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on February 26, 2019, 03:46:20 pm
My money is on Petrucci for the first win
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 27, 2019, 11:01:20 am
Last pre-season testing indicates that we may be in for a good season of racing.  First 15 covered by 1 second.  I hope I am not drooling in anticipation for nothing!


1= Maverick Viñales ESP Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.208s [Lap 25/50]
2= Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1)* 1m 54.441s +0.233s [28/48]
3= Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.613s +0.405s [30/53]
4= Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 54.651s +0.443s [35/38]
5 Jorge Lorenzo ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.653s +0.445s [26/33]
6= Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) 1m 54.660s +0.452s [42/61]
7= Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 54.770s +0.562s [27/37]
8^4 Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 54.789s +0.581s [48/50]
9˅1 Danilo Petrucci ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 54.818s +0.610s [19/43]
10^6 Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici) 1m 54.851s +0.643s [47/47]
11˅2 Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 54.852s +0.644s [28/41]
12˅2 Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 54.997s +0.789s [37/38]
13˅2 Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)* 1m 55.074s +0.866s [30/47]
14˅1 Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia (Desmosedici) 1m 55.229s +1.021s [52/66]
15˅1 Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici) 1m 55.233s +1.025s [32/50]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 27, 2019, 01:39:55 pm
My money is on Petrucci for the first win

Based on what? certainly not past performance
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on February 27, 2019, 01:43:55 pm
My money is on Petrucci for the first win

Based on what? certainly not past performance

Just a hunch...

He has been sucking hind tit for long enough now.

He is on arguably the best bike on the grid, and Ducati always goes well at Qatar.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 27, 2019, 02:50:07 pm
I'll go for a Yamaha win.

- I am a huge Yamaha fan.
- They won Qatar 6 of last 10 times.
- Would like to see VR46 win, but could immensely enjoy one of the youngsters from the SIC Petronas team walking away with it.  It would be a neat jackal in the chicken coop at start of season.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: BullSmit on February 27, 2019, 04:17:16 pm
IDGAF you wins the first race at this stage.

Let's just get the season going!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on February 28, 2019, 09:15:41 am
IDGAF you wins the first race at this stage.

Let's just get the season going!

Ja!  Agreed, but still .....   :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 28, 2019, 02:17:37 pm
My money is on Petrucci for the first win

Based on what? certainly not past performance

Just a hunch...

He has been sucking hind tit for long enough now.

He is on arguably the best bike on the grid, and Ducati always goes well at Qatar.

Ahh ok, well I rate him as a rider, i think he is more than capable of getting up there in the top 10 but for him to podium there will have to be a few crashes ahead of him. Rossi is going to be giving it horns out the gate this season and Lorenzo has something to prove, MM is simply going to think the title is his and Dovi who in my opinion was the rider of the year last year will want some podiums. but Dovi is the man to watch

I think this season is going to be an absolute cracker.. I say that every year but this year with Pedrosa gone I have a spring in my step again.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: BullSmit on February 28, 2019, 02:23:02 pm
Ahh ok, well I rate him as a rider, i think he is more than capable of getting up there in the top 10 but for him to podium there will have to be a few crashes ahead of him. Rossi is going to be giving it horns out the gate this season and Lorenzo has something to prove, MM is simply going to think the title is his and Dovi who in my opinion was the rider of the year last year will want some podiums. but Dovi is the man to watch

I think this season is going to be an absolute cracker.. I say that every year but this year with Pedrosa gone I have a spring in my step again.



Although I am an MM fan, MM could get a surprise as Johnny Rea did in SBK....

ALL makes for more interesting racing...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 01, 2019, 11:19:33 am
&^&()*&&%!!!!

Injury from last year just ruled Steven Odendaal out of Moto2 testing at Qatar this weekend and the first GP of the season, next weekend.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2019, 02:45:25 pm
Final Official Moto 2 and Moto 3 testing from Qatar:

Moto 2, Day 1:

Young Brad become the first Moto2 rider to break the 2 minute lap time barrier at Qatar with this run.

1 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 59.776s [Session 3]
2 Sam Lowes GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 2m 0.178s [Session 2]
3 Iker Lecuona SPA American Racing KTM (KTM) 2m 0.201s [Session 3]
4 Jorge Navarro SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 2m 0.269s [Session 2]
5 Alex Marquez SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 2m 0.429s [Session 3]
6 Tom Luthi SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 2m 0.444s [Session 3]
7 Xavi Vierge SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 2m 0.591s [Session 3]
8 Augusto Fernandez SPA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 2m 0.638s [Session 2]
9 Luca Marini ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 2m 0.647s [Session 3]
10 Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 2m 0.647s [Session 3]

Moto 2, Day 2:

1 Sam Lowes GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 58.824s [Session 5]
2 Remy Gardner AUS ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 58.879s [Session 5]
3 Jorge Martin SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 59.039s [Session 5]
4 Alex Marquez SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 59.119s [Session 5]
5Xavi Vierge SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 59.168s [Session 6]
6 Luca Marini ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 59.260s [Session 5]
7 Jorge Navarro SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 59.330s [Session 6]
8 Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 59.370s [Session 5]
9 Tom Luthi SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 59.386s [Session 5]
10 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 59.407s [Session 6]
14 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 59.532s [Session 6]

Day 1, Moto 3:

1 Tony Arbolino ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 7.753s [Session 3]
2 Romano Fenati ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 7.854s [Session 3]
3 Lorenzo Dalla Porta ITA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 8.283s [Session 3]
4 Marcos Ramirez SPA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 8.313s [Session 3]
5 Kaito Toba JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 2m 8.608s [Session 3]
6 Niccolo Antonelli ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 2m 8.634s [Session 3]
7 Ai Ogura JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 2m 8.784s [Session 3]
8 Alonso Lopez SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 2m 8.844s [Session 3]
9 Kazuki Masaki JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 2m 8.846s [Session 3]
10 Gabriel Rodrigo ARG Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 2m 8.926s [Session 2]
25 Darryn Binder RSA CIP Green Power (KTM) 2m 10.646s [Session 2]

Moto 3, Day 2:

Darryn caught a wake up!

1 Romano Fenati ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 5.989s [Session 6]
2 Tony Arbolino ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 6.115s [Session 6]
3 Aron Canet SPA Sterilgarda Max Racing Team (KTM) 2m 6.137s [Session 6]
4 Lorenzo Dalla Porta ITA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 6.339s [Session 5]
5 Kaito Toba JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 2m 6.437s [Session 5]
6 Darryn Binder RSA CIP Green Power (KTM) 2m 6.547s [Session 5]
7 Marcos Ramirez SPA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 6.684s [Session 6]
8 Kazuki Masaki JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 2m 6.721s [Session 5]
9 Gabriel Rodrigo ARG Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 2m 6.736s [Session 5]
10 Niccolo Antonelli ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 2m 6.783s [Session 5]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on March 03, 2019, 03:34:24 pm
Okay, so Brad's the fastest .................................. and the slowest

As long as he's faster than himself, he should do okay  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2019, 04:17:36 pm
Okay, so Brad's the fastest .................................. and the slowest

As long as he's faster than himself, he should do okay  :thumleft:

Nooit!  He is not the slowest.  His slowest was 14th fastest.  There are 30 odd riders.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2019, 09:39:57 am
Moto 2, Qatar, Combined Times:

Nice to see Brad's team mate now also coming into the top 10.

1 Sam Lowes GBR Federal Oil Gresini Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 58.439s [Session 8]
2 Tom Luthi SWI Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 58.663s [Session 8]
3 Remy Gardner AUS ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 58.755s [Session 8]
4 Augusto Fernandez SPA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 58.757s [Session 8]
5 Marcel Schrotter GER Dynavolt Intact GP (Kalex) 1m 58.787s [Session 9]
6 Xavi Vierge SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 58.880s [Session 9]
7 Jorge Navarro SPA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 58.923s [Session 9]
8 Alex Marquez SPA EG 0.0 Marc VDS (Kalex) 1m 58.948s [Session 9]
9 Luca Marini ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 58.980s [Session 8]
10 Brad Binder RSA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 58.999s [Session 8]
11 Jorge Martin SPA Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 1m 59.042s [Session 8]
12 Iker Lecuona SPA American Racing KTM (KTM) 1m 59.200s [Session 9]
13 Nicolo Bulega ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (Kalex) 1m 59.226s [Session 9]
14 Tetsuta Nagashima JPN ONEXOX TKKR SAG Team (Kalex) 1m 59.306s [Session 8]
15 Bo Bendsneyder NED NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 1m 59.308s [Session 9]
16 Lorenzo Baldassarri ITA FlexBox HP 40 (Kalex) 1m 59.325s [Session 9]
17 Andrea Locatelli ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 59.335s [Session 9]
18 Enea Bastianini ITA Italtrans Racing Team (Kalex) 1m 59.351s [Session 8]
19 Fabio Di Giannantonio ITA +Ego Speed Up (Speed Up) 1m 59.491s [Session 8]
20 Somkiat Chantra THA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 1m 59.734s [Session 8]
21 Simone Corsi ITA Tasca Racing Scuderia Moto2 (Kalex) 1m 59.829s [Session 8]
22 Khairul Idham Pawi MAL Petronas Sprinta Racing (Kalex) 2m 0.148s [Session 8]
23 Jesko Raffin SWI NTS RW Racing GP (NTS) 2m 0.334s [Session 9]
24 Joe Roberts USA American Racing KTM (KTM) 2m 0.414s [Session 9]
25 Jake Dixon GBR Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 2m 0.621s [Session 9]
26 Lukas Tulovic GER Kiefer Racing (KTM) 2m 0.725s [Session 7]
27 Dominique Aegerter SWI MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 2m 0.896s [Session 9]
28 Marco Bezzecchi ITA Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 2m 0.921s [Session 9]
29 Philipp Oettl GER Red Bull KTM Tech 3 (KTM) 2m 1.337s [Session 9]
30 Stefano Manzi ITA MV Agusta Idealavoro Forward (MV Agusta) 2m 1.564s [Session 7]
31 Xavier Cardelus AND Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 2m 1.656s [Session 9]
32 Dimas Ekky Pratama INA Idemitsu Honda Team Asia (Kalex) 2m 1.824s [Session 7]

Moto 3:

Interesting to note that Darryn is steadfastly improving, but his team mate is still slowest.  He is a rookie, but I do hope it is not an indication of this teams performance, budget, etc.

1 Romano Fenati ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 5.285s [Session 8]
2 Tony Arbolino ITA Snipers Team (Honda) 2m 5.515s [Session 8]
3 Aron Canet SPA Sterilgarda Max Racing Team (KTM) 2m 5.653s [Session 9]
4 Lorenzo Dalla Porta ITA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 5.771s [Session 8]
5 Niccolo Antonelli ITA SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 2m 5.792s [Session 8]
6 John McPhee GBR Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 2m 5.899s [Session 8]
7 Marcos Ramirez SPA Leopard Racing (Honda) 2m 6.030s [Session 8]
8 Tatsuki Suzuki JPN SIC58 Squadra Corse (Honda) 2m 6.090s [Session 8]
9 Dennis Foggia ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 2m 6.199s [Session 8]
10 Celestino Vietti ITA SKY Racing Team VR46 (KTM) 2m 6.200s [Session 8]
11 Kaito Toba JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 2m 6.206s [Session 9]
12 Alonso Lopez SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 2m 6.243s [Session 9]
13 Kazuki Masaki JPN BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 2m 6.246s [Session 7]
14 Albert Arenas SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 2m 6.312s [Session 8]
15 Ayumu Sasaki JPN Petronas Sprinta Racing (Honda) 2m 6.341s [Session 9]
16 Darryn Binder RSA CIP Green Power (KTM) 2m 6.503s [Session 8]
17 Raul Fernandez SPA Angel Nieto Team (KTM) 2m 6.558s [Session 7]
18 Jakub Kornfeil CZE Redox PruestelGP (KTM) 2m 6.590s [Session 7]
19 Ai Ogura JPN Honda Team Asia (Honda) 2m 6.671s [Session 8]
20 Vicente Perez SPA Reale Avintia Arizona 77 (KTM) 2m 6.787s [Session 9]
21 Sergio Garcia SPA Estrella Galicia 0.0 (Honda) 2m 6.975s [Session 9]
22 Can Oncu TUR Red Bull KTM Ajo (KTM) 2m 6.984s [Session 8]
23 Filip Salac CZE Redox PruestelGP (KTM) 2m 7.217s [Session 8]
24 Makar Yurchenko KAZ BOE Skull Rider Mugen Race (KTM) 2m 7.227s [Session 8]
25 Andrea Migno ITA Bester Capital Dubai (KTM) 2m 7.427s [Session 8]
26 Riccardo Rossi ITA Kömmerling Gresini Moto3 (Honda) 2m 7.992s [Session 9]
27 Tom Booth-Amos GBR CIP Green Power (KTM) 2m 8.084s [Session 8]
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Grant650x on March 05, 2019, 08:50:05 pm
Going to be interesting to see if MM has the ability to hold the front end saves as well as in previous years.
Haven't they introduced the same electronic software to all the bikes for this season

Will HRC still dominate this season??
Was it all the software??
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2019, 09:17:13 am
Going to be interesting to see if MM has the ability to hold the front end saves as well as in previous years.
Haven't they introduced the same electronic software to all the bikes for this season

Will HRC still dominate this season??
Was it all the software??

You are asking some interesting questions.  They were on standard ECU's for two years, but still using OEM IMU's (Inertia Monitoring Units) and the believe is that some manufacturers (HRC perhaps?) used these IMU's to do ECU calculations and feed that to the standard ECU, over riding the standard ECU.  How true that is, we will probably never know, but it will be interesting to see during the coming season if MM and the HRC team is still as far ahead as they were last year.

Regardless of any of the above, I doubt MM will be as dominant simply because initial testing indicates that Yamaha, Ducati and Suzuki will all be very competitive.  Much more so than the previous two years.  Then there is JL99 on a Honda.  He is no slouch.  Still, we need to keep in mind that MM is an excellent rider, possibly best of the lot and it will take some riding to beat him, even if on identical bikes.

I am looking forward to a hard fought racing season. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: CycleC on March 06, 2019, 11:51:13 am
Last race of 2018 in Moto 3 Can Oncu smoked everyone in his 1st Moto 3 race, looked like he was in another league, now you look at testing and he is way off the pace?  Weird how it works, I still have him as the Moto 3 winner for 2019 if he can keep it together
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: dustlover on March 06, 2019, 12:00:31 pm
Wasn't it raining that day? Perhaps he's a wet weather specialist.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2019, 12:11:03 pm
Last race of 2018 in Moto 3 Can Oncu smoked everyone in his 1st Moto 3 race, looked like he was in another league, now you look at testing and he is way off the pace?  Weird how it works, I still have him as the Moto 3 winner for 2019 if he can keep it together

To be fair, it was a wet race and many of the top riders were riding for points, so would have been way less adventurous than young Can.  Also, although it was his first ever Moto3 World Championship Race, he is no stranger to Moto 3 KTM's.  In 2016 he was 9th in the Asian Talent Cup and in 2017 he finished 3rd.  During 2017 he was also 3rd in the Red Bull Rookies Cup and then in 2018 he became the Red Bull Rookies Cup Champion.   Both the Asian Talent Cup and Red Bull Rookies Cup is raced with Moto 3 KTM's.

He is certainly worth watching as he and his twin brother Deniz has been taken under the KTM Red Bull Ajo Racing wing.  He will race for them in the Moto 3 World Championship this year, while brother Deniz will do the same in the FIM Junior World Championship.  Deniz is no slouch either:

2016  Asian Talent Cup: 10th
2017 Asian Talent Cup: 1st
2017 Red Bull Rookies Cup: 4th
2018 Red Bull Rookies Cup: 2nd

Look our for Deniz.  He is sure to join brother Can in Moto 3 World Championship next year. 

I doubt Can will make an impact during this year, for the same reason Darryn Binder struggled last year.  The fact that the Red Bull Ajo KTM team is only running one bike in the Motor 3 championship is telling about the budget.  I believe they are putting all their resources into MotoGP and Moto 2.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2019, 01:31:07 pm
After threatening the Moto 2 and Moto 3 riders that Race Direction will change their qualifying from the normal 1 hour to two 15 minute sessions as the MotoGP bikes do, because they wait for slipstreams, it has been done.  From this weekend, Moto 2 and Moto 3 will also qualify in the Q1, Q2 format.  Fastest 14 riders with their combined times for FP1, FP2 and FP3 will automatically go to Q2.  The rest will go to Q1, from where the fastest 4 will join Q2.

Some  numbers to wet the appetite for Sunday's MotoGP Race:

Riders on grid:  22
Riders with multiple Premier Class Titles:  3
Riders with at least 1 smaller class title:  8
The above 11 riders claimed 30 world championships between them.
Riders with world titles from WSBK Series: 1 
19 of the above 22 riders have claimed a victory in one of the classes.  Combined total:  419 victories
8 of the above have been 1st in the Premier Class
Nationalities:  9
Youngest Rider on the day of the Qatar Race:  19 years and 324 days - Fabio Quartararo
Oldest rider on the day of the race: 40 years and 22 days - Guess who.
20 years and 63 days splits the youngest and oldest and both will be on Yamahas.


http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/03/05/number-crunch-a-few-stats-about-this-year-s-grid/284986


 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gryshond on March 07, 2019, 08:14:33 am
Do we have a pool yet on SB?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 07, 2019, 08:31:04 am
Do we have a pool yet on SB?

Not that I am aware.  Do you want to go make one, or should I?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: drewdza on March 08, 2019, 05:23:47 am
Need that Superbru pool. Please 👍🏻
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kerritz on March 08, 2019, 07:07:16 am
Need that Superbru pool. Please 👍🏻

Yes please it almost time for picks!!  :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2019, 09:41:04 am
Will do one.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gryshond on March 08, 2019, 09:42:16 am
Do we have a pool yet on SB?

Opgestel WilddogGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kerritz on March 08, 2019, 09:45:56 am
Do we have a pool yet on SB?

Opgestel WilddogGP

Dankie gejoin!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2019, 09:48:29 am
I activated last year's pool.  The participants from then should have access as it was last year, but if not.  Join with the info below:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=12012275

or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:

blahsuit

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2019, 10:00:34 am
Do we have a pool yet on SB?

Opgestel WilddogGP

Oeps.  Nou het ons twee.  Speel ons altwee of moet ek myne doodmaak?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: drewdza on March 08, 2019, 10:03:52 am
confused  ??? which is the correct pool?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2019, 10:35:37 am
confused  ??? which is the correct pool?

Be patient.  Let's wait and see what Gryshond says.  He is traditionally the Superbru bloke.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gryshond on March 08, 2019, 10:35:48 am
Let's stick with WilddogGP as a few people have already joined including Bear.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2019, 11:05:45 am
Let's stick with WilddogGP as a few people have already joined including Bear.

No problem.  I will kill the WildDogs Group although some already joined there as well. 

The following gents who did join Wild Dogs, please rejoin WilddogGP as I will delete Wild Dogs.  Apologies for the confusion.

- drewdsa
- blind
- Edd




Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on March 10, 2019, 06:43:27 pm
So is Yamaha going to do it in 2019 ??
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on March 10, 2019, 08:56:53 pm
What a race!!! My SB prediction went for a ball, but I really enjoyed watching.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on March 10, 2019, 10:14:41 pm
Both MotoGP and Moto2 had great final laps. GP was a tight race from the start. Moto2 saw two great battles for 1st and 3rd right up to the checkered flag  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on March 11, 2019, 08:01:54 am
So is Yamaha going to do it in 2019 ??

No, Maverick is fast enough but after fluffing the first lap for more than a year and not learning from this I don't think he will.  Rossi remains a phenomenon and yesterday's race showed it again.  But the field is extremely strong and unless he can consistently get himself on the front row he starts every race with a handicap.  I hope to eat my words regarding 46 week after week.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2019, 08:14:35 am
MGP:

This was the closest finish of a MGP race in many years, possibly in history as the first 5 were covered by only 6/10th of a second.  Excellent race with great battles.  I hope this is what the whole season holds.  What a race!

Sadly, it seems that the Yamahas are still suffering from the same issue as the previous two years.  Vinales can be blisteringly fast over one flying lap, but cannot hold race pace with new tyres and a full tank of fuel.  Rossi seems like crap and then does much better on race day.  The Suzukis are pretty awesome and if they can find two or three more horses, they will be a rather large turd in the Honda and Ducati drinking water for the rest of the season. 

The results of the race was changed to a provisional result as Suzuki, Honda, KTM and Aprilia protested the Ducatis of Dovi, Petrux and Miller as not legal to race.  This protest was turned down by the Race Stewards, but the four teams appealed, so the decision is now up to the MotoGP Court of Appeals for a decision.  The issue is a new "winglet" on the Ducatis swingarm which apparently cools the rear tyre.  This decision may change the results of the race, but will be very interesting to see, because if said "winglet" is declared legal, the other manufacturers will surely add them in the blink of an eye.

I think Superbru was screwed for all.  I got the golden cap with a measly 10 points!   :imaposer:

M3:

My FOK Marlize should be changed to My FOK Darryn!  24th on the grid to 7th in two laps and then he throws the bike into the kitty litter in spectacular fashion.  He should really, but I mean really calm down.

M2:

KTM struggled.  Way too much.  Best KTM on the track, Brad and he finished 12th!  Sies!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 11, 2019, 09:39:15 am
Enjoyed the opener a hell of a lot.
M3 - Quick kids at it again, but DB should quickly adapt to pressure racing.
M2 - Triumph engines seem very good and sound terriffic.BB very far off the pace.
GP - Hail Desmo Dovi ( despite the pissies crying about little pieces of plastic ). MM is at it again and I will stick my neck out that the title is his again this year, barring serious injuries to the little wrecking ball  ;)
VR 46 - Well, 14 to play 5 in that hot company is just brilliant .... but, as much as I am a serious VR46 fan, realistically he simply cannot be seen to be a real title contender anymore.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on March 11, 2019, 10:43:21 am
Lorenzo not on the pace yet, injury or wrong tank design ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2019, 10:46:02 am
Enjoyed the opener a hell of a lot.
M3 - Quick kids at it again, but DB should quickly adapt to pressure racing.
M2 - Triumph engines seem very good and sound terriffic.BB very far off the pace.
GP - Hail Desmo Dovi ( despite the pissies crying about little pieces of plastic ). MM is at it again and I will stick my neck out that the title is his again this year, barring serious injuries to the little wrecking ball  ;)
VR 46 - Well, 14 to play 5 in that hot company is just brilliant .... but, as much as I am a serious VR46 fan, realistically he simply cannot be seen to be a real title contender anymore.

Those M3 kids are kamikaze pilots par excellence!  Always great to watch. DB should be well adapted to pressure racing by now, imho.  His problem is that he pushes too hard on a donkey of a bike.  If only he could calm down a tad he would take many podiums.  Yesterday was a good example.  24th to 7th in 2 laps.  24th to 5th in 4 laps would have been fine too.  Even 24th to 5th in 6 or 10 laps.    As he grew older he is now suffering a new issue.  He is too tall and possibly too heavy for a M3 bike.  He needs to move to M2 soon.  The problem is, you can end your career quick-quick in M2 if you do not get a ride in one of the top 10 or so teams.  In Darryn's current form, a spot in such a team is unlikely.

I am shocked to see how far the KTM's are off the pace.  I have to admit, I never saw that coming.  Best KTM was Brad at 12th, but look at the rest.  Brad's team mate on the other factory KTM 15th.  Next KTM 21st!  NTS finished 14th and 16th and they are a small group building bikes in a garrage.  KTM will really have to look seriously at their bikes for 2019, or they will be also rans.

I am a huge VR fan and will always enjoy him doing well.  Can he win another championship?  I believe he can, but not on the current Yamaha.  That does not mean that I have any less respect for Desmo Dovi, MM and the rest.  Winning a race in that group of riders, is not an easy task.  VR at his best, could win with a slightly under performing bike.  I don't see him doing that anymore.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 11, 2019, 11:10:26 am
Lorenzo not on the pace yet, injury or wrong tank design ?

Still injured and should probably have not raced yesterday.
Only time will tell if the tank requires to be re - designed and built to be just 100% for king George  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 11, 2019, 11:18:05 am
Enjoyed the opener a hell of a lot.
M3 - Quick kids at it again, but DB should quickly adapt to pressure racing.
M2 - Triumph engines seem very good and sound terriffic.BB very far off the pace.
GP - Hail Desmo Dovi ( despite the pissies crying about little pieces of plastic ). MM is at it again and I will stick my neck out that the title is his again this year, barring serious injuries to the little wrecking ball  ;)
VR 46 - Well, 14 to play 5 in that hot company is just brilliant .... but, as much as I am a serious VR46 fan, realistically he simply cannot be seen to be a real title contender anymore.

Those M3 kids are kamikaze pilots par excellence!  Always great to watch. DB should be well adapted to pressure racing by now, imho.  His problem is that he pushes too hard on a donkey of a bike.  If only he could calm down a tad he would take many podiums.  Yesterday was a good example.  24th to 7th in 2 laps.  24th to 5th in 4 laps would have been fine too.  Even 24th to 5th in 6 or 10 laps.    As he grew older he is now suffering a new issue.  He is too tall and possibly too heavy for a M3 bike.  He needs to move to M2 soon.  The problem is, you can end your career quick-quick in M2 if you do not get a ride in one of the top 10 or so teams.  In Darryn's current form, a spot in such a team is unlikely.

I am shocked to see how far the KTM's are off the pace.  I have to admit, I never saw that coming.  Best KTM was Brad at 12th, but look at the rest.  Brad's team mate on the other factory KTM 15th.  Next KTM 21st!  NTS finished 14th and 16th and they are a small group building bikes in a garrage.  KTM will really have to look seriously at their bikes for 2019, or they will be also rans.

I am a huge VR fan and will always enjoy him doing well.  Can he win another championship?  I believe he can, but not on the current Yamaha.  That does not mean that I have any less respect for Desmo Dovi, MM and the rest.  Winning a race in that group of riders, is not an easy task.  VR at his best, could win with a slightly under performing bike.  I don't see him doing that anymore.

I honestly don't think DB has physically out grown his M3 bike - its probably more to do with inexperience and a dose of red mist.
He will simply not cut it on a M2 bike in his current form.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Dwerg on March 11, 2019, 11:19:02 am
And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 11, 2019, 11:27:09 am
And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:

I am not a Crutchlow fan at all......but your'e right, credit to him for mixing it up with the  quick boys and grabbing a podium, stuffed paw and all  ;D
As for his interview.......its him being  "normal"  :laughing4: 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Dwerg on March 11, 2019, 11:43:16 am
And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:

I am not a Crutchlow fan at all......but your'e right, credit to him for mixing it up with the  quick boys and grabbing a podium, stuffed paw and all  ;D
As for his interview.......its him being  "normal"  :laughing4:

I love Cal. Such a character but I think most people don't get his sense of humour. Big plus is he doesn't have an awful squeaky voice like the Italian and Spanish girls  >:D

If he can crash a little less he could actually be a solid top 3 championship contender
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 11, 2019, 12:58:27 pm
And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:

I am not a Crutchlow fan at all......but your'e right, credit to him for mixing it up with the  quick boys and grabbing a podium, stuffed paw and all  ;D
As for his interview.......its him being  "normal"  :laughing4:

I love Cal. Such a character but I think most people don't get his sense of humour. Big plus is he doesn't have an awful squeaky voice like the Italian and Spanish girls  >:D

If he can crash a little less he could actually be a solid top 3 championship contender
Dig him too. Actually he reminds me a bit of Kimi Raikkonen, neither of them care very much for protocol.  :lol8:

Regarding the other girls, actually they say that when you reach puberty your balls drop and your voice deepens... I think VR is a bit overdue :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Dwerg on March 11, 2019, 01:05:22 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2019, 01:16:13 pm
Enjoyed the opener a hell of a lot.
M3 - Quick kids at it again, but DB should quickly adapt to pressure racing.
M2 - Triumph engines seem very good and sound terriffic.BB very far off the pace.
GP - Hail Desmo Dovi ( despite the pissies crying about little pieces of plastic ). MM is at it again and I will stick my neck out that the title is his again this year, barring serious injuries to the little wrecking ball  ;)
VR 46 - Well, 14 to play 5 in that hot company is just brilliant .... but, as much as I am a serious VR46 fan, realistically he simply cannot be seen to be a real title contender anymore.

Those M3 kids are kamikaze pilots par excellence!  Always great to watch. DB should be well adapted to pressure racing by now, imho.  His problem is that he pushes too hard on a donkey of a bike.  If only he could calm down a tad he would take many podiums.  Yesterday was a good example.  24th to 7th in 2 laps.  24th to 5th in 4 laps would have been fine too.  Even 24th to 5th in 6 or 10 laps.    As he grew older he is now suffering a new issue.  He is too tall and possibly too heavy for a M3 bike.  He needs to move to M2 soon.  The problem is, you can end your career quick-quick in M2 if you do not get a ride in one of the top 10 or so teams.  In Darryn's current form, a spot in such a team is unlikely.

I am shocked to see how far the KTM's are off the pace.  I have to admit, I never saw that coming.  Best KTM was Brad at 12th, but look at the rest.  Brad's team mate on the other factory KTM 15th.  Next KTM 21st!  NTS finished 14th and 16th and they are a small group building bikes in a garrage.  KTM will really have to look seriously at their bikes for 2019, or they will be also rans.

I am a huge VR fan and will always enjoy him doing well.  Can he win another championship?  I believe he can, but not on the current Yamaha.  That does not mean that I have any less respect for Desmo Dovi, MM and the rest.  Winning a race in that group of riders, is not an easy task.  VR at his best, could win with a slightly under performing bike.  I don't see him doing that anymore.

I honestly don't think DB has physically out grown his M3 bike - its probably more to do with inexperience and a dose of red mist.
He will simply not cut it on a M2 bike in his current form.

I can't be sure if Darryn has outgrown the bike, but Brad stated something to that effect during an interview recently that is why I started thinking along those lines myself.  It cannot, or should not be inexperience.  He did some time in the Rookies Cup and this is the start of his 5th season in Moto3.  The red mist is certainly a part of the problem.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on March 11, 2019, 01:17:19 pm
The season opener couldn't have been better!!
Exciting races down to the wire in all classes....racing at its best.
I enjoy seeing the respect Dovi and MM have for each other. Its such an extremely competitive environment, these guys truly leave it all out there on the track.

What a super ride from VR.....never say never with Vale.........he aint done yet, true champion.
Yamaha still has so much to sort with that M1 package. I wish and pray they get it right soon.

KTM....wtf is happening with these okes? Kalex took the smoke right out them in moto2. They looked real kak in GP1. I'm hoping for Zarco to have a good year, but i dont rate his chances on that bike. Big pity.

Did anyone get to watch Moto E ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2019, 01:19:42 pm
Did anyone get to watch Moto E ?

No Moto E races yet.  They will initially only race 5 rounds in Europe.   First Jerez in May.  Then Le Mans, Sachsenring, Red Bull RIng and San Marino.

And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:

Cal also rides a full factory bike. 

He does have an awesome way with words.  I would want him on the podium for every race, just to get to hear his comments on the race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Dwerg on March 11, 2019, 02:02:43 pm
Cal also rides a full factory bike. 

Fine factory teams. Don't get technical  :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 11, 2019, 02:04:44 pm
Did anyone get to watch Moto E ?

No Moto E races yet.  They will initially only race 5 rounds in Europe.   First Jerez in May.  Then Le Mans, Sachsenring, Red Bull RIng and San Marino.

And Cal making everyone else look silly on their fancy factory bikes and non-mangled ankles   :pot:

His interview was also funny as always. Asked him about his injury and he responded by saying he has a numb bum  :spitcoffee:

Cal also rides a full factory bike. 

He does have an awesome way with words.  I would want him on the podium for every race, just to get to hear his comments on the race.

It's as if there is a trip switch between his peanut and his mouth, which trips out when the mouth opens  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2019, 02:21:28 pm
Cal also rides a full factory bike. 

Fine factory teams. Don't get technical  :P

To be fair, MotoGP is a technical sport, but we can be philosophical if you prefer, maar nie 'n moer romantical nie!   :biggrin:

Cal's salary is even paid by HRC and his contract is with them as well.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on March 11, 2019, 06:16:44 pm
Hahaha, turns out Cal is one of those fancy factory riders  :patch:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Vis Arend on March 11, 2019, 06:57:16 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on March 11, 2019, 08:01:40 pm
Would love to see how the GP riders stack up against each other in a race, all riding the same bikes. That will truly showcase the talent.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on March 12, 2019, 08:28:50 am
Would love to see how the GP riders stack up against each other in a race, all riding the same bikes. That will truly showcase the talent.

Put them all on identical Moto3 bikes
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2019, 08:37:08 am
Would love to see how the GP riders stack up against each other in a race, all riding the same bikes. That will truly showcase the talent.

A few years ago when Yamaha launched the R3 in Indonesia, they had all four MGP Yamaha (factory and Tech3) riders there to race the R3 a few laps around the track.  VR smoked them all.

Hahaha, turns out Cal is one of those fancy factory riders  :patch:

Ducati and Honda has been very clever in this regard and I find it hard to believe Yamaha only joined in this plan this year while Honda and Ducati has been doing this for some years.  What Ducati and Honda did, is they made a deal with their satellite team to provide them with one full factory bike and they would contract the rider for that bike.  The advantage for the satellite team is one full factory bike just about for free, plus no need to pay a top rider a salary.  This is great for a satellite team.  The payback for the factory team was that they would share in the information gathered and that, that rider (Cal in HRC's case) would do the majority of new part testing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on March 12, 2019, 11:01:29 am
Would love to see how the GP riders stack up against each other in a race, all riding the same bikes. That will truly showcase the talent.

Put them all on identical Moto3 bikes

Obviously VR46 will win that race  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2019, 11:16:34 am
Would love to see how the GP riders stack up against each other in a race, all riding the same bikes. That will truly showcase the talent.

Put them all on identical Moto3 bikes

Obviously VR46 will win that race  :pot:

Well, stone the crows, this Sonny is a clever dude!   :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 13, 2019, 12:16:39 pm
Highest Top Speeds reached during Qatar GP:

MGP:  M. Marquez, Honda - 352.0  (Last year Petrucci, Ducati: 351.9)
M2: A.Marquez, Kalex - 294.4  (Last year J.Mir, Kalez: 285.6)
M3: A.Ogura, Honda - 240.1  (Last year G. Rodrigo, KTM: 237.9)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2019, 09:37:15 am
Moto E Testing from Jerez this week:

Day 1:

1. Eric Granado: 1m 48.984  (Two seconds slower than Moto 3 race time when they were there during the 2017 GP)
2. Niki Tuuli: 1m 49.417
3. Hector Garzo: 1m 49.481

It is doubtful that there will be a Day 2 of testing since a huge fire broke out last night where all the machines were stored.  The cause is being investigated and there is no news at this stage on any damage, if at all, to the bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on March 14, 2019, 11:01:53 am
Moto E Testing from Jerez this week:

Day 1:

1. Eric Granado: 1m 48.984  (Two seconds slower than Moto 3 race time when they were there during the 2017 GP)
2. Niki Tuuli: 1m 49.417
3. Hector Garzo: 1m 49.481

It is doubtful that there will be a Day 2 of testing since a huge fire broke out last night where all the machines were stored.  The cause is being investigated and there is no news at this stage on any damage, if at all, to the bikes.
Lithuim battries... tend to do that sometimes... ask Tesla... :sip: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2019, 12:05:24 pm
Whoa!  All 18 bikes destroyed by the fire as well as the whole new Mote E paddock just completed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 14, 2019, 03:18:03 pm
Whoa!  All 18 bikes destroyed by the fire as well as the whole new Mote E paddock just completed.
What?? Please be joking!  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 14, 2019, 03:20:15 pm
Whoa!  All 18 bikes destroyed by the fire as well as the whole new Mote E paddock just completed.
Where do you get your news, @TheBear? MotoGP website just barely mentions the fire, but nothing about all the damage.

I believe you, of course, just wondering what news source you have...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2019, 09:02:22 am
Whoa!  All 18 bikes destroyed by the fire as well as the whole new Mote E paddock just completed.
Where do you get your news, @TheBear? MotoGP website just barely mentions the fire, but nothing about all the damage.

I believe you, of course, just wondering what news source you have...

I am a psychic!   :lol8:

I have a host of MGP websites that I follow.  It is basically the reason why I don't paste links (perhaps I should), but I get snippets from various sites.

crash.net
motorsport.com
motogp.com
autosport.com

I have the time as I do not waste the time I have on following rugby, or cricket much!   >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2019, 09:03:27 am
Whoa!  All 18 bikes destroyed by the fire as well as the whole new Mote E paddock just completed.
What?? Please be joking!  :o

Sadly, no.

https://www.motorsport.com/motoe/news/motoe-fire-season-jerez-opener/4352509/

They will however still have the planned championship this year, although with a later start and updated calender.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 15, 2019, 12:51:30 pm
Damn this is hectic. One has to wonder about the possibility of sabotage...  :patch:  ??? I mean, all 18 bikes destroyed? Think about it... no oil needed for gearboxes, no fuel needed... were any arabs spotted in the vicinity? :peepwall:

I joke, of course.

Glad to see though that they're still planning to run them this year.

Geez I wonder what these guys' insurance bill is? :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2019, 01:34:19 pm
Damn this is hectic. One has to wonder about the possibility of sabotage...  :patch:  ??? I mean, all 18 bikes destroyed? Think about it... no oil needed for gearboxes, no fuel needed... were any arabs spotted in the vicinity? :peepwall:

I joke, of course.

Glad to see though that they're still planning to run them this year.

Geez I wonder what these guys' insurance bill is? :eek7:

True, no oil, fuel, etc., but plenty of high voltage Lithion-Ion batteries and battery chargers around.

I am not sure what outcome will be the worst, sabotage or a cock-up with the batteries and charging systems.

Talk about the insurance. I have often wondered about the insurance bill for the MGO fly-away races.  Three 747 Jumbos loaded with all the bikes and equipment for all the teams.  EIna!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 18, 2019, 01:24:37 pm
Not official yet, but it seems the fire was started by a short circuit that ignited a high density battery in one of the high performance chargers.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/915635/1/motoe-confirms-cause-jerez-paddock-fire



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: ButtSlider on March 19, 2019, 11:51:55 am
You won't need to guess where we were 2 weekends ago.  :ricky:

Been to a couple of tracks, but the lit Losail track was just something else. Meeting some of the riders was a moerse bonus.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2019, 12:07:45 pm
You won't need to guess where we were 2 weekends ago.  :ricky:

Been to a couple of tracks, but the lit Losail track was just something else. Meeting some of the riders was a moerse bonus.

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :biggrin:

Wow man!  It must have been a great experience.  Also lekker to be able to meet some riders. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: ButtSlider on March 19, 2019, 12:36:34 pm
You won't need to guess where we were 2 weekends ago.  :ricky:

Been to a couple of tracks, but the lit Losail track was just something else. Meeting some of the riders was a moerse bonus.

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :biggrin:

Wow man!  It must have been a great experience.  Also lekker to be able to meet some riders. 
Yeah it was. Tom Luthi was great to chat to, but obviously Brad was best. When he the SA flag in my hand he walked straight to me. VR was like Houdini and Swambo was very surprised to see how fast Crutchlow could walk.  :lol8: 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2019, 12:45:08 pm
You won't need to guess where we were 2 weekends ago.  :ricky:

Been to a couple of tracks, but the lit Losail track was just something else. Meeting some of the riders was a moerse bonus.

PHOTOSHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    :biggrin:

Wow man!  It must have been a great experience.  Also lekker to be able to meet some riders. 
Yeah it was. Tom Luthi was great to chat to, but obviously Brad was best. When he the SA flag in my hand he walked straight to me. VR was like Houdini and Swambo was very surprised to see how fast Crutchlow could walk.  :lol8:

Well, Brad is obviously best, but I have always thought Luthi looks like a nice guy.  Personally, I would love to spend an hour or so, over a beer with Crutchlow.  I reckon that would be an hour well spend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2019, 11:49:58 am
Cape Epic MTB race recently finished.  Interesting that the team that finishes 29th, Team Orbea Factory had one rider whose name rings a loud bell for us.  Aleix Espargaro!

https://www.cape-epic.com/news/1159/espargar%C3%B3-swaps-leathers-for-lycra-/

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 25, 2019, 01:06:50 pm
Cape Epic MTB race recently finished.  Interesting that the team that finishes 29th, Team Orbea Factory had one rider whose name rings a loud bell for us.  Aleix Espargaro!

https://www.cape-epic.com/news/1159/espargar%C3%B3-swaps-leathers-for-lycra-/
Doing the blapsa Cape Epic between two MotoGP races.

Epic indeed!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2019, 01:09:05 pm
Cape Epic MTB race recently finished.  Interesting that the team that finishes 29th, Team Orbea Factory had one rider whose name rings a loud bell for us.  Aleix Espargaro!

https://www.cape-epic.com/news/1159/espargar%C3%B3-swaps-leathers-for-lycra-/
Doing the blapsa Cape Epic between two MotoGP races.

Epic indeed!

Now if we can convince him to bring all his MGP buddies to come Cape Epic with him and then explain Kyalami is a heck of a lot closer than Rio Hondo in Argentina .....   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on March 25, 2019, 01:15:41 pm
Cape Epic MTB race recently finished.  Interesting that the team that finishes 29th, Team Orbea Factory had one rider whose name rings a loud bell for us.  Aleix Espargaro!

https://www.cape-epic.com/news/1159/espargar%C3%B3-swaps-leathers-for-lycra-/
Doing the blapsa Cape Epic between two MotoGP races.

Epic indeed!

Alex is a very competitive racer and fitness junkie.If Aprilia can churn out a few more horses and torque out of the A19 bike, he will realistically challenge for podium.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 26, 2019, 08:40:19 am
The "Ducati Swingarm Wing" saga should come to an end this week as the FIM Court of Appeal heard the case and undertoo to give their decision before this weekend's race in Argentina.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2019, 08:25:14 am
FIM Court of Appeal found the swingarm wing to be legal stating that, while it may generate a small amount of down force, its principle task was to cool the rear tyre.   Any side bets on how long before all manufacturers have them?

https://www.mcnews.com.au/ducati-can-keep-their-swingarm-aero-cooling-winglet-thingos/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on March 27, 2019, 11:22:29 am
FIM Court of Appeal found the swingarm wing to be legal stating that, while it may generate a small amount of down force, its principle task was to cool the rear tyre.   Any side bets on how long before all manufacturers have them?

https://www.mcnews.com.au/ducati-can-keep-their-swingarm-aero-cooling-winglet-thingos/

Good stuff ... you can never blame Ducati for lacking innovation ... they definitely set trends in racing  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2019, 11:27:05 am
FIM Court of Appeal found the swingarm wing to be legal stating that, while it may generate a small amount of down force, its principle task was to cool the rear tyre.   Any side bets on how long before all manufacturers have them?

https://www.mcnews.com.au/ducati-can-keep-their-swingarm-aero-cooling-winglet-thingos/

Good stuff ... you can never blame Ducati for lacking innovation ... they definitely set trends in racing  :thumleft:

Agreed.  Ducati once again hit the ball out of the park.

I don't know about Honda and KTM, but Suzuki and Aprilia said from the start that they did not want Dovi en Petrux to be penalized.  They wanted 100% clarity on the legality of the device.  If legal then it is worth the cost and effort to develop same.  Of course, the ruling now makes it possible to fit a winglet that provides a lot of down force as long as you say the main reason is to cool the tyre.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on March 28, 2019, 08:40:54 am
FIM Court of Appeal found the swingarm wing to be legal stating that, while it may generate a small amount of down force, its principle task was to cool the rear tyre.   Any side bets on how long before all manufacturers have them?

https://www.mcnews.com.au/ducati-can-keep-their-swingarm-aero-cooling-winglet-thingos/

Good stuff ... you can never blame Ducati for lacking innovation ... they definitely set trends in racing  :thumleft:

Agreed.  Ducati once again hit the ball out of the park.

I don't know about Honda and KTM, but Suzuki and Aprilia said from the start that they did not want Dovi en Petrux to be penalized.  They wanted 100% clarity on the legality of the device.  If legal then it is worth the cost and effort to develop same.  Of course, the ruling now makes it possible to fit a winglet that provides a lot of down force as long as you say the main reason is to cool the tyre.

They are prototypes so innovate.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 28, 2019, 09:10:15 am
FIM Court of Appeal found the swingarm wing to be legal stating that, while it may generate a small amount of down force, its principle task was to cool the rear tyre.   Any side bets on how long before all manufacturers have them?

https://www.mcnews.com.au/ducati-can-keep-their-swingarm-aero-cooling-winglet-thingos/

Good stuff ... you can never blame Ducati for lacking innovation ... they definitely set trends in racing  :thumleft:

Agreed.  Ducati once again hit the ball out of the park.

I don't know about Honda and KTM, but Suzuki and Aprilia said from the start that they did not want Dovi en Petrux to be penalized.  They wanted 100% clarity on the legality of the device.  If legal then it is worth the cost and effort to develop same.  Of course, the ruling now makes it possible to fit a winglet that provides a lot of down force as long as you say the main reason is to cool the tyre.

They are prototypes so innovate.

Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings.  I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on March 28, 2019, 09:24:17 am
Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings. I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.

Sure someone will try to imitate. If you have other issues though you might be focusing on those and not trying to bring out new things you haven't even tested.

Seems like Ducati is now focusing big time on aerodynamics, their engine is already a rocket propeller. The bike doesn't like corners so much.

Yamaha and Suzuki are still stuck in the dark ages, their software is ancient and their engines are weak. But they appear to have very sweet handling bikes, they can get in and out of corners effortlessly carry speed and all that nice stuff, but come the straights they go nowhere.

Honda has the software sorted to near perfection, the engine is very good, very close to Ducati. My money is on Honda to deliver the best package across various tracks and that will see them take the championship again this year.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 28, 2019, 11:10:11 am
Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings. I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.

Sure someone will try to imitate. If you have other issues though you might be focusing on those and not trying to bring out new things you haven't even tested.

Seems like Ducati is now focusing big time on aerodynamics, their engine is already a rocket propeller. The bike doesn't like corners so much.

Yamaha and Suzuki are still stuck in the dark ages, their software is ancient and their engines are weak. But they appear to have very sweet handling bikes, they can get in and out of corners effortlessly carry speed and all that nice stuff, but come the straights they go nowhere.

Honda has the software sorted to near perfection, the engine is very good, very close to Ducati. My money is on Honda to deliver the best package across various tracks and that will see them take the championship again this year.

Year ago Honda was seen as the innovator.  It seems Ducati is now wearing that label comfortably.  I am not sure what you mean by "ancient software" as all bikes are running the same ECU and IMU provided by Dorna.  Agreed though that Honda have that dialed in the best and they will be difficult to beat again this year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on March 28, 2019, 03:42:41 pm

Year ago Honda was seen as the innovator.  It seems Ducati is now wearing that label comfortably.  I am not sure what you mean by "ancient software" as all bikes are running the same ECU and IMU provided by Dorna.  Agreed though that Honda have that dialed in the best and they will be difficult to beat again this year.

Well look at Yamaha, midrace the rider has to switch engine maps, the team must remind him to do this. Looks like other bikes have very good self managing software, knowing when to switch to different modes and maps.

For some reason the Yamaha computer geeks also are not able to deal with wheel spin very well, there is excessive rear wheel spin as we could see with Rossi dancing sideways while the Duke and Honda propel forward down the straight. It appears they just can't get the software dialed in or they are not very good at coding  >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on March 28, 2019, 03:46:33 pm
I wouldn't be surprised if we found out there are more lines of code in that motogp software then there is in the Boeing Max 8  :peepwall:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on March 29, 2019, 08:07:06 am
Ducati, after the swing arm winglet appeal, stated that their device reduce tyre temp by as much a 7 degrees and have a negligible effect of only 300g of down force.  Thing is, the appeals court declared it legal without mentioning figures, so I wounder how long before it reduces tyre temps by 7 degrees and 5 kg down force?  I think this will be a very interesting development to watch and follow this season. 

I wouldn't be surprised if we found out there are more lines of code in that motogp software then there is in the Boeing Max 8  :peepwall:

Neither would I.  Perhaps that is all that keeps these modern WINGED bikes grounded!   :lol8: :peepwall:

I personally do not understand why Yamaha is struggling so much with the unified ECU.  I am no expert, but sheeez, it cannot be that difficult.  Perhaps, while Ducati and Honda poached software engineers from Magneti Mareli, Yamaha poached from Boeing?   

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gryshond on March 29, 2019, 12:51:17 pm

Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings.  I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.

Completely agree that it must be within the rules, the rule was no downforce and Ducati have confirmed it provides downforce. Thus it is illegal. Dorna were however in a corner as if it was declared illegal there would be no option but to disqualify Dovi.
All started with the technical director agreeing to a device that solely cools the tyre, in the hearing they then changed this to primarily cools the tyre.
This of course opens the door to an aerodynamic money pit which only the biggest teams can afford and will ensure that the gap between the the big three and the rest will return.

This must be revisited as the teams start investing in swing arm aero. It may be possible for instance that shape of the swingarm aero can be tuned to provide 300 grams of downforce when upright while generating considerably more when leaned over. If that is not happening already on the Ducati.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on March 29, 2019, 01:28:28 pm
300g is bullshit.

Put your hand out a car window at 120Km/h and feel the effect.

Now imagine that effect at 350Km/h

Also, if they didnt do any windtunnel testing, how do they get to the 300g figure?

Smoke & mirrors.

Just ban the fucking thing for everyone, and carry on.

But dont disqualify Dovi & Petrucci for Qatar
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on March 29, 2019, 01:47:31 pm

Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings.  I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.

Completely agree that it must be within the rules, the rule was no downforce and Ducati have confirmed it provides downforce. Thus it is illegal. Dorna were however in a corner as if it was declared illegal there would be no option but to disqualify Dovi.
All started with the technical director agreeing to a device that solely cools the tyre, in the hearing they then changed this to primarily cools the tyre.
This of course opens the door to an aerodynamic money pit which only the biggest teams can afford and will ensure that the gap between the the big three and the rest will return.

This must be revisited as the teams start investing in swing arm aero. It may be possible for instance that shape of the swingarm aero can be tuned to provide 300 grams of downforce when upright while generating considerably more when leaned over. If that is not happening already on the Ducati.

Thanks, good explanation, good post
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on March 31, 2019, 07:09:42 pm
Both Binders were had great races. They sure were aggressive.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on March 31, 2019, 09:04:43 pm
Yep, overall some good riding by those and also VR46 and Dovi. But geez, MM93 was/is in a league of his own, hey.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on March 31, 2019, 09:36:48 pm
Any Marquez detractors left here?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on March 31, 2019, 10:02:58 pm
Without wings you will never fly
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 01, 2019, 08:45:08 am
Both Binders were had great races. They sure were aggressive.

Indeed and Brad paid the price as he was penalized one position from 5th to 6th for overly aggressive riding.

Young Darryn rode like a champ.  Wow!  Nicely done.

MM93, on the day was not just in a class of his own, he was magic.  The old fart AGAIN the best Yamaha on the track.  While Marc cleared off, seemingly to the USA for the next race, there was a lekker race for 2nd behind him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 01, 2019, 08:47:36 am
Any Marquez detractors left here?

Any Rossi detractors left here?
Any Dovi detractors left here?
 
 :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: ButtSlider on April 01, 2019, 09:23:47 am
Wow. Both Darryn and Brad had good races. I really expected Darryn to lose it somewhere on some corner, but he did impress.  :ricky:
Brad was dealt a harsh blow with the penalty, but I will say that he needs to "brush up" on his block passes a bit.  :lol8:
Well done to Marc and the ol man. VR46 was impressive to say the least.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on April 01, 2019, 09:35:28 am
Local boys raced well to their potential.
MM93.......Well, it's him and then the rest  ;D
Valentino.......Showed age a toffee again, as well as a lot of young guns  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 01, 2019, 10:33:44 am
Poor Crutchlow and his jump start leading to the ride through penalty.  Footage shows he moved no more than a cm or so.

I thank Messrs Marquez, Rossi and Dovi for finishing as I requested.  This did wonders for my Superbru.  To Crutchlow, Vinales and Morbidelli ... GAAN KAK IN DIE MIELIES julle werf etters!   >:D



Innovate within the rules.  In this case it seems there was some disagreement as to what the rules specified and it was sorted by this appeal.  It will be interesting to see how the other manufacturers follow up with their own swingarm wings.  I can hardly wait to see the bikes for this weekend's race.  My guess is they will all have some form of a device.

Completely agree that it must be within the rules, the rule was no downforce and Ducati have confirmed it provides downforce. Thus it is illegal. Dorna were however in a corner as if it was declared illegal there would be no option but to disqualify Dovi.
All started with the technical director agreeing to a device that solely cools the tyre, in the hearing they then changed this to primarily cools the tyre.
This of course opens the door to an aerodynamic money pit which only the biggest teams can afford and will ensure that the gap between the the big three and the rest will return.

This must be revisited as the teams start investing in swing arm aero. It may be possible for instance that shape of the swingarm aero can be tuned to provide 300 grams of downforce when upright while generating considerably more when leaned over. If that is not happening already on the Ducati.

I now also understand why the boss of Aprilia is so incredibly pissed off.  He was in employed in technical direction when F1 went through teir major aerodynamics spurt and he says he knows MGP will now follow that path of bending the rules, etc.  The problem as he sees it is that the court have now okayed any device that is fitted with the primary purpose of cooling the tyre.  No mention was made of a limit on downforce, so while Ducati states theirs provode 300g only, who is to stop them or a competitor from going to 10kg?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on April 01, 2019, 11:46:59 am
Any Marquez detractors left here?

Any Rossi detractors left here?
Any Dovi detractors left here?
 
 :lol8:

Ah, here he is. OK, question answered, there's at least 1 left.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 01, 2019, 01:41:19 pm
Any Marquez detractors left here?

Any Rossi detractors left here?
Any Dovi detractors left here?
 
 :lol8:

Ah, here he is. OK, question answered, there's at least 1 left.

Yeah.  Just check wat this particular detractor said just today.  Such a dastardly, devilish, devious, detractor he is!   :lol8:

MM93, on the day was not just in a class of his own, he was magic. The old fart AGAIN the best Yamaha on the track.  While Marc cleared off, seemingly to the USA for the next race, there was a lekker race for 2nd behind him.

Seems at least one person left here who suffers from the feared and debilitating MM93 Tunnel Vision Ailment!   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2019, 09:49:30 am
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 02, 2019, 12:08:35 pm
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

And then I believe his left hand grip came completely off, so he rode the race hanging onto a bare metal bar, must have been a bit weird.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2019, 12:46:59 pm
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

And then I believe his left hand grip came completely off, so he rode the race hanging onto a bare metal bar, must have been a bit weird.

I believe it did.  He did not have the best of days.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DirtRebell on April 03, 2019, 07:49:29 am
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

And then I believe his left hand grip came completely off, so he rode the race hanging onto a bare metal bar, must have been a bit weird.




Although his ramblings sometimes gets a bit much, Boris surely has a way with words, much so after JL's last escapade  :laughing4:

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/on-the-buttons-is-written-stupid-things-like-pit-start-pit-limiter-start-procedure-puta-limiter-start-puta/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on April 03, 2019, 08:32:27 am
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

And then I believe his left hand grip came completely off, so he rode the race hanging onto a bare metal bar, must have been a bit weird.




Although his ramblings sometimes gets a bit much, Boris surely has a way with words, much so after JL's last escapade  :laughing4:

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/on-the-buttons-is-written-stupid-things-like-pit-start-pit-limiter-start-procedure-puta-limiter-start-puta/

Brilliant  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2019, 09:05:55 am
Oh wow is JL99!

We all saw his terrible, terrible start on Sunday.  In fact, most of us believe we could have kick his arse off the line with a R1150GS loaded for a four week tour and we probably could have.  Poor JL, accidentally hit the Pit Lane Speed Limiter as he parked on the grid and therefore blasted off to a mind boggling 60km/h until he switched it off.   :ricky:

And then I believe his left hand grip came completely off, so he rode the race hanging onto a bare metal bar, must have been a bit weird.




Although his ramblings sometimes gets a bit much, Boris surely has a way with words, much so after JL's last escapade  :laughing4:

https://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/on-the-buttons-is-written-stupid-things-like-pit-start-pit-limiter-start-procedure-puta-limiter-start-puta/

It was one of his better ones in recent times.  Do you ever read his Dear MotoGP "pit reports"?

Quote from: Boris
Dear Motogp
Yesterday at 6:12 AM ·
IN THE HONDA GARAGE…

CRUTCHLOW: I was balancing! Bal-fucking-anc-fucking-ing! On my toes like a ballerina what’s gonna be chucked into the air by some ponce in tights! It was bloody me being bloody graceful, that’s all. Fucken ride-through for that? Fucken Rabat shakes like a shitting dog on the grid and no-one gives him a penalty! Fuck you, Spencer, you piss-smelling fossilised twat-horse! It’s tense out there. It’s not a grid full of drunks, mouth-breathers, and shoplifters like it was in your day, pal!

MARQUEZ: Was anyone else racing? I did not see anyone. Did I go to the right racetrack? Was that the Moto3 race I just won? Why is Crutchlow killing crocodiles with his bare hands?

LORENZO: Alberto! Alberto! Put that little champagne-soaked buco del culo down, stop polishing his teeth, and explain these buttons to me again. I will write notes on the tank. Bring a marker pen.

IN THE YAMAHA GARAGE…

ROSSI: Allora, that was one of my greatest victories, yes? OK, is second place, but of course is still victory if you take out the Marquez. Uccio! Bring me a hot towel. And a knife. Pronto! Madonna mia, my back is killing me.

VINALES: I wonder if that rafter will hold my weight? What if the rope is not strong enough? What if the rope is too long and I hit the ground and break my ankles? What if Mr Jarvis catches me? Will he beat me to death with the telemetry cable? Can I hope for that? Fuck you, Morbidelli! You could have run into me much harder and it would have been over!

MORBIDELLI: What? He was going too slow. I yelled out, but he ignored me, so I nudged him. Maybe a little bit too hard, but it is racing, yes? I am racing. He is not. Maybe he should race. Then it wouldn’t happen.

IN THE APRILIA GARAGE…

IANNONE: This bike is stupid! It is shit! Like you are shit! Do not flinch, Aprilia idiot! I open the throttle and nothing. Nothing! Is the camshaft made of wood? Is there kerosene in the tank? Is that it? Is this some kind of environment-saving sciocchezze? Even Rabat is faster and he has no lungs! Belen is drinking again. Soon she will have to walk the streets so I can pay for my perfume. No, I am not re-branding it as Lose & Fail.

ALEIX ESPARGARO: Look, let’s just give the championship to Marquez now and start again. What if I stop eating? Will that help? Maybe if we sell the factory to the Russians things will change? Maybe you can build fast bikes when they put a pistol in your mouth and your mother in a cupboard?

IN THE DUCATI GARAGE…

MILLER: I fucken went off, aye? Smashed it. Gave that Spaghettadelli kid some paint off me bike. Good thing the fucken seat stayed on this time. But would it kill you bastards to sand the fucken nuts holding it on back a bit. They’ve dead-set dug divots in me arse. Haha! Yeah, nah, it’s all good. Fuck me! Look at Cal go that fucken crocodile!

DOVIZIOSO: I knew he was going to do that. I knew it. He is a bastard like that. Always has been. I love him like a brother that I hate, but I hate him a little bit too. But with love. He makes the block-pass on me like it was a track-day, and what do I do? I shit my leathers and let him win. Gigi has not spoken to me all night. He must be down by the river watching Cal kill animals.

IN THE SUZUKI GARAGE…

RINS: Almost I win this. Almost I could buy myself a new coffin. Twelve seconds is nothing. It’s just 12 litres of O-Negative. Zarco is full of it. Never mind. Next time.

MIR: It was the crocodile! Did you see it? It was coming onto the track! Of course I panicked. Is this some kind of special MotoGP initiation thing? Is that why Mr Crutchlow is down by the river choking them? Should I go choke them as well?

IN THE KTM GARAGE

SYAHRIN: Can you ask Mr Lorenzo not ride back here with me? Please? He is very unpredictable and he throws things. Tells me to make him satay beef.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DirtRebell on April 03, 2019, 08:44:05 pm
Do you ever read his Dear MotoGP "pit reports"?


Thanks. No never seen it.  I'll go subscribe.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on April 04, 2019, 07:15:10 am
I like Morbidelli's response  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2019, 09:52:47 am
Spoiled for racing this coming weekend.

MotoGP at COTA in the USA.  (Brad and if healthy Steven: M2 and Darryn: M3)
WSBK at Assen in Holland.  (Dorren and Dino:  SSP300)

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on April 10, 2019, 10:40:19 am
Spoiled for racing this coming weekend.

MotoGP at COTA in the USA.  (Brad and if healthy Steven: M2 and Darryn: M3)
WSBK at Assen in Holland.  (Dorren and Dino:  SSP300)
And off course, F1 (china) in the morning too!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2019, 10:47:51 am
Spoiled for racing this coming weekend.

MotoGP at COTA in the USA.  (Brad and if healthy Steven: M2 and Darryn: M3)
WSBK at Assen in Holland.  (Dorren and Dino:  SSP300)
And off course, F1 (china) in the morning too!

What is this F1 you speak off?   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on April 10, 2019, 11:13:47 am
Spoiled for racing this coming weekend.

MotoGP at COTA in the USA.  (Brad and if healthy Steven: M2 and Darryn: M3)
WSBK at Assen in Holland.  (Dorren and Dino:  SSP300)
And off course, F1 (china) in the morning too!

What is this F1 you speak off?   >:D
O sorry, you said "racing".  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on April 10, 2019, 11:30:53 am
Spoiled for racing this coming weekend.

MotoGP at COTA in the USA.  (Brad and if healthy Steven: M2 and Darryn: M3)
WSBK at Assen in Holland.  (Dorren and Dino:  SSP300)

Lekker, that's where the eyes will be  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on April 14, 2019, 07:21:47 pm
Both Binders have had a nightmare.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DirtRebell on April 14, 2019, 09:23:35 pm
Both Binders have had a nightmare.

So has Marcy Marq.
Freaking drama going on here
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on April 14, 2019, 10:51:40 pm
Lekker Rinsie, I loved his interview "I beat Valentino" mooi man
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on April 15, 2019, 08:11:14 am
Great racing - moto 3 kamikaze kids were excellent, as always.Happy for Luthi  after his terrible 2018 year.MM probably went too hot on the front tyre and fell low ( though he denies it ! ).Rins and the Aussie raced excellent......and its good to see  VR 46 on the podium again - the old fella still has lots of fight in him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 15, 2019, 08:58:47 am
If I posted what I am thinking with regards all Moto 3 and Moto 2 KTM's, KTM employees, their family, people they haven't even met yet, I would be banned for life and a week.  Both Binders start in 5th.  Both do okay and seems competitive.  Both develop problems.  Both now 10th in the championship.  Can one family suffer so much bad luck in one weekend?

As for MGP, I enjoyed the battle between Uncle Rossi and young gun, Rins.  Clearly VR ran out of tyre and I declared the race over more than once.  Bloody Dorna wouldn't listen!  Barstewards!  Rins rode an amazing race to be on the spot, ready to pounce when the time came.  Well done young man and while I am a Yamaha supporter, it was nice to see a Suzuki on the top step of the podium.  I trust you remember your promise to shave your hair all off the first time you win .......

MM93 needs to be bliksemed!  He screwed my Superbru something terrible, but alas, I have been told many times on this forum that he only crashes because he is testing the limits.  It was interesting to see him clearly flustered after the crash.  Falling over with the bike is not his style.  Twice is out of the ordinary.  I wonder if this "King of COTA" hype got to him a tad?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on April 15, 2019, 09:10:30 am
very happy to see Rins' victory.
ha was looking good the race before this one too.
think he's now my 'if i can't choose rossi then i want _______ to win" guy.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 15, 2019, 09:16:34 am
very happy to see Rins' victory.
ha was looking good the race before this one too.
think he's now my 'if i can't choose rossi then i want _______ to win" guy.

He is high in my list as well.  I do like Morbidelli though and he is on a Yamaha. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on April 15, 2019, 10:57:12 am
Falling over with the bike is not his style.  Twice is out of the ordinary.  I wonder if this "King of COTA" hype got to him a tad?

Comaaan. Surely you've been racing along, tipped over, picked it up only to throw it over the other side? Hell, I've done it more than a few times and I wasn't even in a hurry!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on April 15, 2019, 11:08:31 am
Awesome all round, pity about the Binders  :dousing:
Sorry for Marc, yes I am a Rossi fan but he is in a class of his own.
However that second tipover  :spitcoffee: Marc you owe me a wasted beer  :laughing4:

Excellent riding and timing from Rins, it did seem it was over and Rossi was a sinking ship with his tires but the old dog is still hungry, I wonder what would have happened if there was one extra lap. But hey, that's racing.
Dovi and Ducati need to sort their issues. Maverick? Is he struggling with the motogp bike and not being used to carrying corner speed like he did in the lower classes?

For now at least it's not a runaway championship.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2019, 08:21:42 am
However that second tipover  :spitcoffee: Marc you owe me a wasted beer  :laughing4:


I am now internally grateful to MM93 as I can, at last, compare myself to a MotoGP world champion!   I can actually say: "Remember when I fell off my bike, just  like Marc Marques, the world champion you know ..."  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 16, 2019, 08:48:03 am
 :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2019, 09:34:27 am
:biggrin:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Grant650x on April 19, 2019, 06:31:51 am
Was the MM cock up from a lack of the Honda electronic wizardry????

I think the chickens may have come home to roost
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2019, 08:47:03 am
Was the MM cock up from a lack of the Honda electronic wizardry????

I think the chickens may have come home to roost

To early to say, but it could be.  It will however be interesting to watch over the coming races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on April 23, 2019, 12:18:13 pm
Was the MM cock up from a lack of the Honda electronic wizardry????

I think the chickens may have come home to roost

To early to say, but it could be.  It will however be interesting to watch over the coming races.

Agreed ... I wouldn’t overreact to that crash. He wasn’t off line running wide nor in too hot and  out of shape. Looked liked a good old too much front brake and probably because of over exuberance on the part of Marc ,,,, could have dialed things back a bit and taken the easy win but no he wants to rub it in their noses by winning going away
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2019, 12:50:23 pm
After the fire destroyed pretty much all MotoE bikes and equipment it looked bad for the formula, but it has been confirmed they will run a 3-day final test at Valencia, starting on 17 June.  The new schedule for the races is:

Race 1 - July 5th -7th - Sachsenring, Germany
Race 2 - August 9th -11th - Red Bull Ring - Spielberg, Austria
Races 3 & 4 - September 13th -15th - Misano World Circuit, San Marino and Riviera di Rimini
Races 5 & 6 - November 15th -17th - Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Comunitat Valenciana

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/918295/1/new-motoe-test-set-valencia-june
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2019, 12:20:59 pm
Good news.  Steven Odendaal has fully recovered from his injury and will be back on his Moto2 bike this coming weekend at Jerez.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: ButtSlider on April 30, 2019, 03:58:51 pm
Good news.  Steven Odendaal has fully recovered from his injury and will be back on his Moto2 bike this coming weekend at Jerez.
Hopefully he can get into the top 10 a few times this year.  :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Breekbeen on May 04, 2019, 02:53:48 pm
Wow.
Great qualifying.
2 Satellite Yamahas on front row.

Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: armpump on May 04, 2019, 03:00:38 pm
And marques saves it with his elbow ....again
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 05, 2019, 07:28:42 pm
Another good finish by Rins on the Suzuki.

I see the bloody Honda team gave Lorenzo the slow bike Dani used to ride. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on May 05, 2019, 09:08:20 pm
Another good finish by Rins on the Suzuki.

I see the bloody Honda team gave Lorenzo the slow bike Dani used to ride. :ricky:
Welcome back from your self imposed ban oom D :peepwall:
Hope you'll hang around a bit.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 05, 2019, 10:40:37 pm
Thanks Antonie, appreciated.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on May 06, 2019, 08:52:12 am
And marques saves it with his elbow ....again

Must be running illegal IMU's again :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2019, 10:40:05 am
Another good finish by Rins on the Suzuki.

I see the bloody Honda team gave Lorenzo the slow bike Dani used to ride. :ricky:

Welcome back jou ou mamparra!

JL99 se bike is 'n 750.  MM93 se bike is 'n 1250.  Honda voel die gemiddeld is 1000cc, so hulle is 100% in die reëls.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 06, 2019, 11:21:57 am
Another good finish by Rins on the Suzuki.

I see the bloody Honda team gave Lorenzo the slow bike Dani used to ride. :ricky:

Out of jail I see.....welcome back in society  :thumleft:
Honda must be getting worried about their very expensive employee's performance  ;)
MM, well, like it , don't like it....he is the boyki  8)
Like Rins a lot but, disappointed with Dovi and the big policeman's performance though
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 06, 2019, 12:12:50 pm
MM, well, like it , don't like it....he is the boyki  8)

As I am a Rossi-fan, I must bow to his superior knowledge and this is what he said during an interview at testing today.  He was asked about Yamaha's problems this past weekend.  Note:  Not verbatim, but as I remember it.

"Eh ... the bike was okay.  Much better than last year.  I made a mistake in FP3 which cost me a place in Q2.  Eh ... also a mistake in Q1, so I qualified very bad, 13th.  If I was on the 2nd row, I could have fought for a podium.  Eh ... the biggest problem for this year is Marquez!" 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on May 06, 2019, 12:19:04 pm
MM, well, like it , don't like it....he is the boyki  8)

As I am a Rossi-fan, I must bow to his superior knowledge and this is what he said during an interview at testing today.  He was asked about Yamaha's problems this past weekend.  Note:  Not verbatim, but as I remember it.

"Eh ... the bike was okay.  Much better than last year.  I made a mistake in FP3 which cost me a place in Q2.  Eh ... also a mistake in Q1, so I qualified very bad, 13th.  If I was on the 2nd row, I could have fought for a podium.  Eh ... the biggest problem for this year is Marquez!"
Am I the only one hearing that in Rossi's voice  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on May 06, 2019, 12:22:22 pm
MM is amazing... but statistically he is in for a big crash sometime. :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on May 06, 2019, 02:28:24 pm
MM, well, like it , don't like it....he is the boyki  8)

As I am a Rossi-fan, I must bow to his superior knowledge and this is what he said during an interview at testing today.  He was asked about Yamaha's problems this past weekend.  Note:  Not verbatim, but as I remember it.

"Eh ... the bike was okay.  Much better than last year.  I made a mistake in FP3 which cost me a place in Q2.  Eh ... also a mistake in Q1, so I qualified very bad, 13th.  If I was on the 2nd row, I could have fought for a podium.  Eh ... the biggest problem for this year is Marquez!"
Am I the only one hearing that in Rossi's voice  :lol8:

For sure  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2019, 08:47:02 am
MM is amazing... but statistically he is in for a big crash sometime. :'(

We have been hearing that for more than a few years but statisticaly most champions have big crashes with big injuries. However maybe Marquez is substituting quality for quantity.
 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 08:59:30 am
MM is amazing... but statistically he is in for a big crash sometime. :'(

We have been hearing that for more than a few years but statisticaly most champions have big crashes with big injuries. However maybe Marquez is substituting quality for quantity.

I believe you are incorrect.  The real great champions did not have many big crashes with big injuries.  Exactly the opposite.

Anyway, the point is (this is not in any way running a great rider down), that it could cost him the championship. or worse.  Just a few weeks ago he threw 25 points into the gravel trap.  Those 25 point could, at the end of the season be very expensive.

MM has now been, two years running the rider with the most crashes in MotoGP.  Now, while MM fans will flippantly say: "It is because he is so great, he is testing the limits", I believe many riders, including his brother, Brad Binder and others will warn against the approach. 

He is a great rider, but crashes too frequently.  So far, he has been very lucky.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2019, 01:22:06 pm
If I say yes you No. Tongue in cheek comment passed Meaning he crashes more but gets injured less. Here is a list of Great Champions with serious injuries that have effectively ruled them out of a world champioship year or ended there Carreer. Wayne Rainey. Wayne Gardener, Mick Doohan,Valentino Rossi, Sete Giberneau, Alex Criville, Casey Stoner, Eddie Lawson (known as Steady Eddie for not crashing), Barry Sheene,Freddie Spencer, Kevin Shwantz, Franco Uncini. Thats nearly all recent champions. It seems in the earlier days of Hailwood and Agostini when safty was of no concern you didnt crash otherwise you had a good chance of not surviving.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 01:50:11 pm
I stand corrected on the long line of riders you mentioned who had serious crashes and serious injuries.  It seems our definition of serious differed a bit.  No problem.  That list should be ample example to any rider who wishes to become great to be careful about multiple crashes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2019, 01:58:41 pm
Gee how much more serious can it get are you saying he is going to have a career ending injury. Which is possible to all those racing. I think statisticaly if you are hit or hit something it is more serious.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 07, 2019, 02:02:10 pm
MM is amazing... but statistically he is in for a big crash sometime. :'(

We have been hearing that for more than a few years but statisticaly most champions have big crashes with big injuries. However maybe Marquez is substituting quality for quantity.

I believe you are incorrect.  The real great champions did not have many big crashes with big injuries.  Exactly the opposite.

Anyway, the point is (this is not in any way running a great rider down), that it could cost him the championship. or worse.  Just a few weeks ago he threw 25 points into the gravel trap.  Those 25 point could, at the end of the season be very expensive.

MM has now been, two years running the rider with the most crashes in MotoGP.  Now, while MM fans will flippantly say: "It is because he is so great, he is testing the limits", I believe many riders, including his brother, Brad Binder and others will warn against the approach. 

He is a great rider, but crashes too frequently.  So far, he has been very lucky.

That's your view, but that is not to say it is correct.Fact is, MM is a brilliant racer - finish and klaar. Surely by now you ought to know that racing is all about winning and MM clearly has the ability to do just that race after race ! So what if he now and then dumps his bike ? Maybe the big tragedy, as you and a few others advocate, will come, maybe not, but ......that's what racing is all about - living on the edge, or sometimes over it  ;) Nobody wants to watch a bunch of swiss smooth racers going around a track lap after lap, checking that their elbows and legs are tucked in nicely and not blocking out challengers in every which way to get to the front.
This from a huge ( realistic ) VR 46 fan.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 02:07:46 pm
Gee how much more serious can it get are you saying he is going to have a career ending injurie. Which is possible to all those racing. I think statisticaly if you are hit or hit something.

Yes, I meant career ending.  Statistically it happens when you are hit, or hit something.  This is correct.  Lets look at the stats looking at the current 4 title contenders.

2018:  MM - 23, Dovi - 5, VR - 8, RIns - 12
2017:  MM - 27, Dovi - 6, VR - 4, Rins - 6.
2016:  MM - 17, Dovi - 6, VR - 4, Rins - N/A.

Highest number of crashes:

2018: MM - 23
2017: MM - 27
2016: Crutchlow - 26 (MM - 17)

Can you see, how statistically, the odds are piling up against MM?



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2019, 02:12:37 pm
That's your view, but that is not to say it is correct.Fact is, MM is a brilliant racer - finish and klaar. Surely by now you ought to know that racing is all about winning and MM clearly has the ability to do just that race after race ! So what if he now and then dumps his bike ? Maybe the big tragedy, as you and a few others advocate, will come, maybe not, but ......that's what racing is all about - living on the edge, or sometimes over it  ;) Nobody wants to watch a bunch of swiss smooth racers going around a track lap after lap, checking that their elbows and legs are tucked in nicely and not blocking out challengers in every which way to get to the front.
This from a huge ( realistic ) VR 46 fan.


Agree 100%
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 07, 2019, 02:23:30 pm
Like I said he believes in quantity not quality :pot:. However what you didnt mention most of his crashes are in practice with less people around him. However all riders are at risk some of his crashes he sometimes almost seems to instinctively control the crash. Also was a huge Rossi fan but man I love to watch this guy ride a pure bred racer.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 07, 2019, 02:28:41 pm
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on May 07, 2019, 02:36:00 pm
he got dani pedrosa's slow bike...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 07, 2019, 02:40:41 pm
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?

His non - performance ( as a very expensive racer ) must be very concerning to his mighty employer, who doesn't tolerate mediocrity.
Know he was badly injured when signed up, but thought that was all sorted by now.
There surely cannot be anything wrong with his bike....this time around - design and / or performance wise  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 02:41:40 pm
Like I said he believes in quantity not quality :pot:. However what you didnt mention most of his crashes are in practice with less people around him. However all riders are at risk some of his crashes he sometimes almost seems to instinctively control the crash. Also was a huge Rossi fan but man I love to watch this guy ride a pure bred racer.

A crash is a crash and each carry the risk of an career ending injury, regardless of whether it happened during practice, or a race.

Perhaps, I should rephrase?

Me, myself and I, commonly known as TheBear on WD's, love watching MM race, but I (just me, myself and I) is concerned that he crashes too often and that said crashes may end his career prematurely.  I hope like hell I am wrong and at no time do I expect anyone else to have a similar concern.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 02:42:52 pm
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?

He is indeed struggling and struggling badly.  I am not sure why because he is a better rider than what we are seeing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 07, 2019, 02:43:17 pm
he got dani pedrosa's slow bike...

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:Just maybe ! With the suspension still set up for a 50kg midget
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 02:45:29 pm
he got dani pedrosa's slow bike...

Actually, Honda, the cheaters, gave JL a 750 and MM a 1250, believing that since they avarage out at 1000cc, they are well within the rules.  Dorna, being a cheating Spanish owner of MGP condones this because it is what the sponsor, the cheating Repsol demands.   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kerritz on May 07, 2019, 02:58:54 pm
By far my worst season on SuperBru.....sit selfs met die wooden spoon....blegh!!  :bueller:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on May 07, 2019, 03:02:05 pm
If I say yes you No.

Force of habit
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 03:04:37 pm
By far my worst season on SuperBru.....sit selfs met die wooden spoon....blegh!!  :bueller:

Ek het die naweek se Superbru gemis.  Henemal vergeet want ek het te lekker skolerugby gekyk.  Nie dat dit veel aan my uitslae sou verander het nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on May 07, 2019, 03:17:55 pm
By far my worst season on SuperBru.....sit selfs met die wooden spoon....blegh!!  :bueller:

Waarvoor is die houtlepel?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2019, 03:18:28 pm
By far my worst season on SuperBru.....sit selfs met die wooden spoon....blegh!!  :bueller:

Waarvoor is die houtlepel?

Die verloorder op die dag.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kerritz on May 07, 2019, 03:20:24 pm
By far my worst season on SuperBru.....sit selfs met die wooden spoon....blegh!!  :bueller:

Waarvoor is die houtlepel?

As jy soos jou gat speel.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on May 07, 2019, 04:21:28 pm
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?

I saw an interview the other day saying that MM’s bike and JL’s bike are completely opposite in there setup. JL will need to adapt to the Honda, but he is not very good at that so it will take a while before they get the bike perfect for him and then he will be fast. This may take the entire season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 07, 2019, 05:58:35 pm
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?

I saw an interview the other day saying that MM’s bike and JL’s bike are completely opposite in there setup. JL will need to adapt to the Honda, but he is not very good at that so it will take a while before they get the bike perfect for him and then he will be fast. This may take the entire season.

Indeed JL can be incredibly fast, but only on a bike with his perfect set-up. So far he could only find that on the Yamaha he won championships on, the Dukes and Hondas are very different bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 09, 2019, 11:35:52 am
Erm...Slightly off topic ( about how good MM is at crashing ).... :peepwall:

I am not diligently following the racing any more, just having a peek at highlights and results once in a while.
Why is 99 not running with the big dogs?
He struggled with Ducati, then,  just before the end of his time there, he seemed to be getting his mojo back (with a better tank design?)
Now moved to Honda, and struggling again?

I saw an interview the other day saying that MM’s bike and JL’s bike are completely opposite in there setup. JL will need to adapt to the Honda, but he is not very good at that so it will take a while before they get the bike perfect for him and then he will be fast. This may take the entire season.

Indeed JL can be incredibly fast, but only on a bike with his perfect set-up. So far he could only find that on the Yamaha he won championships on, the Dukes and Hondas are very different bikes.

I saw VR46 said that the "ease" with which a Yamaha can be ridden is why he, JL and now Zarco struggled when they moved to other bikes.  Of course, at this level, fractions off in a setting can be a big issue for a rider. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 09, 2019, 11:53:53 am
 To say the Yamaha is an 'ease' to ride I am not sure, it still has some of Ross's DNA in it but with changes over the years I feel that Yamaha went the wrong way and are playing catch-up. The Doctor said it so it must be an "ease"
Lorenzo took a knock in changing manufacturers as Rossi has in the past. At least Rossi proved himself more than most on two manufacturers.

Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Jag man on May 09, 2019, 12:28:12 pm
So did Stoner ...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 09, 2019, 12:33:22 pm
To say the Yamaha is an 'ease' to ride I am not sure, it still has some of Ross's DNA in it but with changes over the years I feel that Yamaha went the wrong way and are playing catch-up. The Doctor said it so it must be an "ease"
Lorenzo took a knock in changing manufacturers as Rossi has in the past. At least Rossi proved himself more than most on two manufacturers.

Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:

I wondered about that too, but it probably means something at their level.

If we look at Zarco and Folger two years ago and now Morbidelli and Quartorarro, they were immediately pretty quick on the Yamies.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 09, 2019, 02:57:44 pm
Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:

One thing for sure he has balls. I doubt he will move unless something makes him unhappy at Honda. They seem to have his riding style dialled in to there bikes and he would be aware of that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 09, 2019, 06:46:49 pm
Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:

One thing for sure he has balls. I doubt he will move unless something makes him unhappy at Honda. They seem to have his riding style dialled in to there bikes and he would be aware of that.

He would be quite stupid to move away from Honda under the current circumstances.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KaTooMatt on May 10, 2019, 07:42:44 am
Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:

One thing for sure he has balls. I doubt he will move unless something makes him unhappy at Honda. They seem to have his riding style dialled in to there bikes and he would be aware of that.
Rossi moved from a winning Honda to a not so great (at the time 2SD) Yamaha for the challenge. He tried again with Ducati.

Yamaha worked with him and they made a successful team. He found Ducati a little more resistant.

I will always admire Rossi for that move. Same with Schumacher going to a losing Ferrari for the challenge.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 10, 2019, 08:43:18 am
Wonder if MM will try that some time in his career. He has the talent but has he got the balls?  :spitcoffee:

One thing for sure he has balls. I doubt he will move unless something makes him unhappy at Honda. They seem to have his riding style dialled in to there bikes and he would be aware of that.

Once in a while you see a "perfect marriage" between a very good rider and a very good bike and they make magic on track.  MM and the Honda is such a marriage.  He would be nuts to leave now.  Perhaps later in his career to prove a point, but for now, kick arse on a Honda.







VR46 fan hoping the Honda blows up spectacularly every 2nd race!  F@K!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 10, 2019, 09:38:52 am
Once in a while you see a "perfect marriage" between a very good rider and a very good bike and they make magic on track.  MM and the Honda is such a marriage.  He would be nuts to leave now.  Perhaps later in his career to prove a point, but for now, kick arse on a Honda.



Agreed. I wonder where Rossi would have been if he had stayed with Honda. 3 World Titles in a row looks like they were also going places together.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 01:03:52 pm
Once in a while you see a "perfect marriage" between a very good rider and a very good bike and they make magic on track.  MM and the Honda is such a marriage.  He would be nuts to leave now.  Perhaps later in his career to prove a point, but for now, kick arse on a Honda.



Agreed. I wonder where Rossi would have been if he had stayed with Honda. 3 World Titles in a row looks like they were also going places together.

Then he simply did it on a Yamaha. First race on a new bike, the only rider to ever win two consecutive races on different manufacturer's bikes. :ricky:

And Honda has the incredibly unsuccessful NR500 on it's conscience. :peepwall: :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on May 10, 2019, 02:22:00 pm
Impressive .............. just shows how easy the Yamaha is to ride.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 10, 2019, 03:05:36 pm
Impressive .............. just shows how easy the Yamaha is to ride.

Just a correction, as I see some chirps regarding the Yamaha being easy to ride, since I made that post.  The Doctor actually said: "For me Yamaha maybe has some other weak points but it is a very friendly bike for the rider."

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/918817/1/leaving-yamaha-rossi-dovi-zarco-ktm
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 03:23:42 pm
Over 45 years of riding, I have always found Yamaha's to be the friendliest bikes for the rider. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 10, 2019, 04:14:15 pm
Kak oom, Honda's have always been the most forgiving into, through and out of corners. That is a fact I have personally proven with loss of skin  :biggrin:  :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 10, 2019, 04:21:58 pm
Kak oom, Honda's have always been the most forgiving into, through and out of corners. That is a fact I have personally proven with loss of skin  :biggrin:  :xxbah:

 :imaposer: a Yamaha will give you skin grafts.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on May 11, 2019, 07:28:09 am
Over 45 years of riding, I have always found Yamaha's to be the friendliest bikes for the rider. :ricky:

That is only 5 more than Rossi.

Has Dani Pedrosa ridden the KTM yet?  Is there anything anywhere that gives some info on how that went.  If MM were to consider going to KTM at some stage then having Pedrosa there would be a great help in making that decision.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 11, 2019, 05:01:17 pm
Over 45 years of riding, I have always found Yamaha's to be the friendliest bikes for the rider. :ricky:

That is only 5 more than Rossi.

Has Dani Pedrosa ridden the KTM yet?  Is there anything anywhere that gives some info on how that went.  If MM were to consider going to KTM at some stage then having Pedrosa there would be a great help in making that decision.

Ja, Rossi is mos also an outoppie. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 12, 2019, 10:17:37 am
And Honda has the incredibly unsuccessful NR500 on it's conscience.

Probably the only company to try and match a 2 stroke with a 4 stroke. The best thing about this bike was it bought Honda back into motorcycle racing after 10 years of retirement. It didnt take them long to become the most successful 2 stroke Moto GP champions beatibg other manufacturers at there own game.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 12, 2019, 12:25:07 pm
And Honda has the incredibly unsuccessful NR500 on it's conscience.

Probably the only company to try and match a 2 stroke with a 4 stroke. The best thing about this bike was it bought Honda back into motorcycle racing after 10 years of retirement. It didnt take them long to become the most successful 2 stroke Moto GP champions beatibg other manufacturers at there own game.

But Soichiro, hating 2strokes, hated every moment of the ensuing 2stroke dominance even if it was Honda's own.

His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on May 13, 2019, 07:31:37 am
And Honda has the incredibly unsuccessful NR500 on it's conscience.

Probably the only company to try and match a 2 stroke with a 4 stroke. The best thing about this bike was it bought Honda back into motorcycle racing after 10 years of retirement. It didnt take them long to become the most successful 2 stroke Moto GP champions beatibg other manufacturers at there own game.

But Soichiro, hating 2strokes, hated every moment of the ensuing 2stroke dominance even if it was Honda's own.

His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.
Wise man Soichiro was, he saw the future
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 13, 2019, 02:59:01 pm
But Soichiro, hating 2strokes, hated every moment of the ensuing 2stroke dominance even if it was Honda's own.

His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.


You are absolutley right he forecast their demise. But he was a firm believer in motorsport. He eventually realized he had to go 2 stroke to compete. He was way ahead of his time. When all Jap companies were copying he was inventing and creating.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 13, 2019, 03:01:51 pm
Honda, back then (even recently) always pushed the envelope and so we saw some amazing stuff rolling out of their factories.  Some worked very well, some failed spectacularly. but they were always inventive.  I wonder where that "8 cylinder" would have ended if it benefited from a few years of development.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on May 13, 2019, 04:09:41 pm
Dunno where it would be but I reckon Camier should have one ...........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 13, 2019, 08:31:14 pm
But Soichiro, hating 2strokes, hated every moment of the ensuing 2stroke dominance even if it was Honda's own.

His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.


You are absolutley right he forecast their demise. But he was a firm believer in motorsport. He eventually realized he had to go 2 stroke to compete. He was way ahead of his time. When all Jap companies were copying he was inventing and creating.

He was indeed a firm believer in motorsport.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 14, 2019, 08:07:06 am
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 14, 2019, 10:31:44 am
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.

My apologies, I checked, and yes, he broke no rules.

Still, it remains the most expensive failure in motorcycle history, worldwide.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2019, 10:43:39 am
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.
Genius old Soichiro, look at the RC166 what a piece of engineering
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 14, 2019, 07:36:23 pm
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.
Genius old Soichiro, look at the RC166 what a piece of engineering

Check the Yamaha RA31A.

Honda needed the complex 6 cylinder to compete on equal footing with Yamaha twins. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2019, 08:20:35 pm
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.
Genius old Soichiro, look at the RC166 what a piece of engineering

Check the Yamaha RA31A.

Honda needed the complex 6 cylinder to compete on equal footing with Yamaha twins. :ricky:
Yet no one remembers the RA31A  :deal: Just think of the engineering involved in the sixties to build a 6 cylinder that could rev to 22000rpm ! Soichiro dreamed big, one could say building a 2T was the easy option
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 14, 2019, 08:39:47 pm
His believe that 4strokes could compete on equal footing, although by making it a "V8" he was already cheating, brought them many losses, both financial and honour.

Technically it was a 4 cylinder with 4 pots and 8 con rods. That it is how he got round the rules. The rules stated not more the 4 cyclinders nothing about cylinder shape so he actually was entirely within the rules.
Genius old Soichiro, look at the RC166 what a piece of engineering

Check the Yamaha RA31A.

Honda needed the complex 6 cylinder to compete on equal footing with Yamaha twins. :ricky:
Yet no one remembers the RA31A  :deal: Just think of the engineering involved in the sixties to build a 6 cylinder that could rev to 22000rpm ! Soichiro dreamed big, one could say building a 2T was the easy option

Building a 2stroke at that time was the winning option.  Soichiro had to follow.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 15, 2019, 03:50:38 pm
Building a 2stroke at that time was the winning option.  Soichiro had to follow.

Again you are absolutly right. However his stubborness not to build 2 strokes led to him pulling out of Motogp racing. However Ten years later Honda had lost massive Market share to the other Jap manufacturers and he was forced back. This is what led to the NR500 probably the most expensive and revolutionary 4 stroke racing engine but it still could not compete and he was forced to give in to 2 stroke. He still refused to make 2 stroke road bikes except the little 50cc as this was were all youngsters started and performance ment everything. There is a great biography on him. Just called Sochiro Honda great book.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 15, 2019, 08:02:02 pm
Building a 2stroke at that time was the winning option.  Soichiro had to follow.

Again you are absolutly right. However his stubborness not to build 2 strokes led to him pulling out of Motogp racing. However Ten years later Honda had lost massive Market share to the other Jap manufacturers and he was forced back. This is what led to the NR500 probably the most expensive and revolutionary 4 stroke racing engine but it still could not compete and he was forced to give in to 2 stroke. He still refused to make 2 stroke road bikes except the little 50cc as this was were all youngsters started and performance ment everything. There is a great biography on him. Just called Sochiro Honda great book.

I have read quite extensively on the founder of Honda, and I am a admirer of this great man.

What gets him even more respect from me is the fact that Honda is the only company that could regularly beat Yamaha's.

In my circle of friends there were always great rivalry between the 4 Jap camps, and for us as the buying public, and young thrill-seekers, Yamaha always won through.

When Honda had CB350's, Yamaha had RD350B's
When Honda had CB550's, Yamaha had RZ500's
When Honda had XL350's, Yamaha had DT's

How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2019, 11:16:04 am
How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:

How could anyone disagree with you?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2019, 11:46:38 am
How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:

How could anyone disagree with you?

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on May 16, 2019, 12:12:01 pm
How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:

How could anyone disagree with you?

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

Let me try.  When Honda had the CB1100R Yamaha had the XS1100.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2019, 12:31:59 pm
How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:

How could anyone disagree with you?

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

Let me try.  When Honda had the CB1100R Yamaha had the XS1100.

SHOO!  SHOO!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on May 16, 2019, 12:39:02 pm
XR vs IT :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2019, 04:04:42 pm
How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:

How could anyone disagree with you?

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

Let me try.  When Honda had the CB1100R Yamaha had the XS1100.

The XS was a tourer, and still Rod Gray beat the Honda's on occasion on it. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 17, 2019, 10:34:10 am
I have read quite extensively on the founder of Honda, and I am a admirer of this great man.

What gets him even more respect from me is the fact that Honda is the only company that could regularly beat Yamaha's.

In my circle of friends there were always great rivalry between the 4 Jap camps, and for us as the buying public, and young thrill-seekers, Yamaha always won through.

When Honda had CB350's, Yamaha had RD350B's
When Honda had CB550's, Yamaha had RZ500's
When Honda had XL350's, Yamaha had DT's

How could we not love Yamaha over anything else? :pot:


Yamaha has always been very succesful in SA market. But unfortunatley in racing Honda wins hands down even with a 10 year withdrawal it has won more world championships in every class except 50cc than any other manufacturer. Yamaha has beaten Honda in motorcycle sales in SA many times but on the Global market it is a distant second. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2019, 10:51:44 am
Yamaha has always been very succesful in SA market. But unfortunatley in racing Honda wins hands down even with a 10 year withdrawal it has won more world championships in every class except 50cc than any other manufacturer. Yamaha has beaten Honda in motorcycle sales in SA many times but on the Global market it is a distant second. :pot:

Well, Honda as a company is about 10 times the size of Yamaha and that is a great help in marketing and selling.  Also, Honda sold gazillions 100cc scooters in the Asian market.  That said, just accept Yamaha is way better.  :lol8:

On a more serious note: Italic bit - replace with:  That said, Honda is known for their good to great products all over the spectrum and therefore their sales will reflect that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2019, 10:54:45 am
Le Mans:

FP1:   Youngster Quartararo is #1 again.  If the little sh*t learns to stay on the bike, we may see some incredible battles with other little sh*ts like MM, FM, AR and others.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 17, 2019, 11:43:18 am
The Top 10 times are so close we could be in for a hell of a race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2019, 12:00:47 pm
The Top 10 times are so close we could be in for a hell of a race.

Yep.  Down to 13th still within 1 second.

Moto 2 top 18 within 1 second with Brad in 3rd and Steven in 24th.
Moto 3 top 19 within 1 second with Darryn in 23rd.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 17, 2019, 01:24:12 pm
I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on May 17, 2019, 02:20:52 pm
Was it the 'elbow slider save' ?
He pulls that one off for sure....amazing talent.
Still think he duffs it up too often.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2019, 02:23:22 pm
I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:

Look at you!  You are such a MM fanboy.  You have it all wrong.  MM did not pull off that save.  It was freaking black magic, no less!   :o

I wonder what's with them losing chains all of a sudden.  MM and JL earlier this year.  Rossi today. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on May 17, 2019, 03:22:22 pm
I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:

Look at you!  You are such a MM fanboy.  You have it all wrong.  MM did not pull off that save.  It was freaking black magic, no less!   :o

I wonder what's with them losing chains all of a sudden.  MM and JL earlier this year.  Rossi today. 



Carbon swing arms maybe? Flexing too much?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2019, 03:26:53 pm
I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:

Honda should really build MM a bike that does not need constant saving. These savings could hurt the boy. :peepwall:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2019, 08:57:38 am
It seems, the only way for anyone to beat MM this year will be to mount a good sized sub-machine gun on their bikes.  He is good, we know this.  The HOnda is good, we know this.  As a "couple" they are devastating.

How is that Yamie still so far down on top end?  EIsh!  I think a R1 from a local Yamie dealer could go faster!  If they lose out by 10km/h on the 600m straight at Le Mans, imagine gow they are going to get their arses kicked at Mugello with a 900m straight!

I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:

Honda should really build MM a bike that does not need constant saving. These savings could hurt the boy. :peepwall:

Shhhhh!  We are not allowed to say that.

Darryn Binder crashed once this weekend.  Plenty broken fingers and a nice stay in a Barcelona hospital, after a visit to the operating theater.  He will probably mis a race or two again.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on May 20, 2019, 09:17:37 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on May 20, 2019, 09:29:26 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!

O jirre, hoe durf jy dit sê!!!?

Jy gaan in jou slaap vermoor word

:laughing7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2019, 10:39:27 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!

I have to agree with you.  Would love to see Quartararo in the factory team, but I think (just me thinking, no proof) that it will be Morbidelli who replaces Rossi.  He is a VR46 Academy Rider and he is Italian, while Quartararo is French.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on May 20, 2019, 10:40:32 am
I see Marquez pulled off another fantastic save I think you can now labell this save as he has done it so many times. The Marquez Magic save. :pot:

Honda should really build MM a bike that does not need constant saving. These savings could hurt the boy. :peepwall:



Bring back modified IMU's!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 20, 2019, 10:43:24 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!

I think that they are going to need a young guy with super talent to take Rossi`s place eventually. That Quat guy may just be that guy!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2019, 11:01:00 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!

I think that they are going to need a young guy with super talent to take Rossi`s place eventually. That Quat guy may just be that guy!

Well, he already usurped one record away from MM93.  He may be the next big name.  I hope they change his name though!  Maybe just Raro?    :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 20, 2019, 11:09:18 am
I seen the Marquez winnig formula worked again crash on Saterday win on Sunday, :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 20, 2019, 11:22:24 am
I hope they're grooming Quarteraro for Rossi's seat. I'm very impressed with this laaitie!!! I won't be surprised if we see see him on the podium this year!

I think that they are going to need a young guy with super talent to take Rossi`s place eventually. That Quat guy may just be that guy!

Well, he already usurped one record away from MM93.  He may be the next big name.  I hope they change his name though!  Maybe just Raro?    :lol8:

I have always though that once Rossi is finished , what the hell is going to happen to Moto GP....and boom, here comes MM with some of the vital trademarks to win fans! Rossi has a huge following and rightly so, but as the wins wane and he loses a bit of shine it will be easier for the followers to hook onto somebody new, but that somebody will have to be a racer and winner with a nice personality. The goodbye from Rossi will still be sad and there will be some fans that would simply not accept anybody else, BUT.....the sport is bigger than just 1 person!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on May 20, 2019, 11:31:47 am
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 20, 2019, 11:37:25 am
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans

And that is going to be very difficult because MM is even more of a racer than Rossi!  :peepwall: :pot: :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on May 20, 2019, 11:48:36 am
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans

So the Rossi fans may all become devil worshipers (El Diablo) :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 20, 2019, 12:17:52 pm
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans

And that is going to be very difficult because MM is even more of a racer than Rossi!  :peepwall: :pot: :3some:

 :spitcoffee: let's talk again when 93 is 35 years old, forget about in his 40's.  :pot:

On a side note, the Doctor showed the young ones a thing or two in Q1, slicks on a damp track, who would have thought such a thing was possible  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on May 20, 2019, 12:27:08 pm
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans

And that is going to be very difficult because MM is even more of a racer than Rossi!  :peepwall: :pot: :3some:

 :spitcoffee: let's talk again when 93 is 35 years old, forget about in his 40's.  :pot:

On a side note, the Doctor showed the young ones a thing or two in Q1, slicks on a damp track, who would have thought such a thing was possible  :biggrin:

 :bluduh:

He just timed it perfectly.

He is good, but he cant change the laws of physics
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 20, 2019, 12:45:34 pm
Timing yes, balls and experience perhaps?
Saying that, 93 in the same position would have probably opted for the wets and still matched that time. The bike and rider are in sync.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on May 20, 2019, 01:00:13 pm
Le Mans:

FP1:   Youngster Quartararo is #1 again.  If the little sh*t learns to stay on the bike, we may see some incredible battles with other little sh*ts like MM, FM, AR and others.

Interesting you say this. The commentators said yesterday that Quartararo hasn’t had a single crash since switching to a MotoGP bike. Not in a race, practice or testing session.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2019, 01:33:56 pm
Le Mans:

FP1:   Youngster Quartararo is #1 again.  If the little sh*t learns to stay on the bike, we may see some incredible battles with other little sh*ts like MM, FM, AR and others.

Interesting you say this. The commentators said yesterday that Quartararo hasn’t had a single crash since switching to a MotoGP bike. Not in a race, practice or testing session.

You are correct.  Reading what I said isn't correct and for the life of me, I can't remember what exactly I tried to say.   :-[

I may have remembered his years in Moto3.  Anyway, over his career he has had some great races, but has yet to perform over a full year.  Two years in Moto 3 saw him finish 10th and 13th in the championship and two years in Moto 2 saw him at 13th and 10th.  To be fair, his two years in Moto2 were a lot less accident prone than his years in Moto 3.

On a side note, the Doctor showed the young ones a thing or two in Q1, slicks on a damp track, who would have thought such a thing was possible  :biggrin:

Very clever move that worked.  Similar clever moves from the Doctor also cost him dearly the past two years when it didn't work.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 20, 2019, 04:27:41 pm
MM93 again in brilliant form - got holeshot, got challenged, overcame the challengers and raced away.Good for Dovi and the big cop on.the red bikes  ;) Rc16 did excellent as well.Rossi, well it seems father age had finally latched its claws on him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 20, 2019, 06:30:19 pm
For me, these are difficult times.

I get nightmares about Gardner, Doohan and even that little pimp, Fast freddy.

Honda is so good at racing because they skimp on their road models. :pot:

All poor Honda has is a VFR, Yamaha has VR!! :ricky: :ricky:

And BUS is a closet VR46 franchise fan.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 21, 2019, 07:01:08 am
ja nee kyk, daai R1 Yamahas is killers.
Daar het een 26ste plek klaar gemaak in 2018 se superstock race by IOM TT.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 21, 2019, 07:33:39 am
ja nee kyk, daai R1 Yamahas is killers.
Daar het een 26ste plek klaar gemaak in 2018 se superstock race by IOM TT.

And in position #42 was a BMW S100RR.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 21, 2019, 08:00:33 am
ja nee, die eiland is vrot van die s1000`s.....
by die jaar se knysna hill climb het Arushen Moodley n paar demo runs op  sy R1M gedoen, dit was lekker om te sien.
Vinnig ook gewees, maar ek kon nie onthou dat Roger McCleary enige tye gelees het nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on May 21, 2019, 09:03:51 am
ja nee kyk, daai R1 Yamahas is killers.
Daar het een 26ste plek klaar gemaak in 2018 se superstock race by IOM TT.

And in position #42 was a BMW S100RR.

BMW now seen as competition for Yamaha? No Dan!!! wth is happening in this world of ours!!! :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2019, 09:37:50 am
ja nee kyk, daai R1 Yamahas is killers.
Daar het een 26ste plek klaar gemaak in 2018 se superstock race by IOM TT.

And in position #42 was a BMW S100RR.

Kan jy dink wat hulle sou gedoen het as hulle die S1000RR gebruik het!?   :imaposer:

MM93 again in brilliant form - got holeshot, got challenged, overcame the challengers and raced away.Good for Dovi and the big cop on.the red bikes  ;) Rc16 did excellent as well.Rossi, well it seems father age had finally latched its claws on him.

I think VR46 can still win on a competitive bike.  Even the championship.  The difference between VR46/40 and VR46/20 is that 20 could have won on a bike not 100% competitive.  He is still the top Yamaha rider though and better than a good 20 or so riders his junior.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on May 21, 2019, 10:10:53 am
I wonder how competitive the Honda would be without MM on it. The other riders do well and can compete on the Hondas but they can't dominate like him.

Who knows, maybe Rossi could ride the Honda better than the Yamaha ..................
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on May 21, 2019, 10:18:19 am
I wonder how competitive the Honda would be without MM on it. The other riders do well and can compete on the Hondas but they can't dominate like him.

Who knows, maybe Rossi could ride the Honda better than the Yamaha ..................

From what I understand the Yamaha is more suited to a smooth riding style suiting VR and JL and the like while the Honda needs to be wrestled like Stoner's Ducati back then, working for someone with a more aggressive style
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2019, 11:28:30 am
I wonder how competitive the Honda would be without MM on it. The other riders do well and can compete on the Hondas but they can't dominate like him.

Who knows, maybe Rossi could ride the Honda better than the Yamaha ..................

Wouldn't it be interesting to see if riders and bikes swopped for a few races.

- VR46 to Honda and Suzuki
- MM93 to Ducati and Yamaha
- Rins to Yamaha and Honda
- etc.

Obviously not do-able, but still could be interesting to see.  Or, put them all on identical 300's for a few races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 21, 2019, 11:39:53 am
Your last one would make better sense . Each one would have to adapt their riding style accordingly however the bike may suit some better than others but the power, power delivery and grip levels equalised should even things out to let the talent and experience show.

For us the viewers it would be moerse entertaining.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 21, 2019, 01:34:07 pm
Your last one would make better sense . Each one would have to adapt their riding style accordingly however the bike may suit some better than others but the power, power delivery and grip levels equalised should even things out to let the talent and experience show.

For us the viewers it would be moerse entertaining.

It would be a entertaining race to watch.  I remember watching a video of when the Yamaha R3 was launched in Indonesia, or Malaysia and they got VR, MV and the two satellite Yamaha riders at the time (if memory serves it was Smith and EspargaroP) to race each other on 4 identical R3's.  It was obviously a exhibition race, but still was fun to watch.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 21, 2019, 02:40:31 pm
We seem to be forgetting Rossi was more succesful on the Honda than the Yamaha, while riding for HRC for 3 years 3 world championships. 100% success rate. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on May 21, 2019, 04:33:56 pm
The guy to beat Marquez will inherit ALL of Rossi's fans

And that is going to be very difficult because MM is even more of a racer than Rossi!  :peepwall: :pot: :3some:

 :spitcoffee: let's talk again when 93 is 35 years old, forget about in his 40's.  :pot:

On a side note, the Doctor showed the young ones a thing or two in Q1, slicks on a damp track, who would have thought such a thing was possible  :biggrin:

That old goat hasn’t won a championship since he was 30. MM will win more before he’s 30  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 21, 2019, 06:50:53 pm
We seem to be forgetting Rossi was more succesful on the Honda than the Yamaha, while riding for HRC for 3 years 3 world championships. 100% success rate. :pot:

So why is MM not doing this? What is preventing MM to take the title every year onthe Honda if Rossi could do it?

See why Rossi is a true GOAT?

And MM is just a KID? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on May 21, 2019, 07:05:54 pm
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 21, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

Come on, you want to tell me you won't leave those turds for those beautiful Yamaha's? :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on May 22, 2019, 05:53:40 am
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

Come on, you want to tell me you won't leave those turds for those beautiful Yamaha's? :peepwall: :pot:
:imaposer:
Now, if BMW had a dog in the fight I would understand. But leaving one Jap for another? That's like leaving a girl for her twin sister. :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 22, 2019, 08:12:35 am
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

In Rossi s book he said Yamaha approached him behind close doors. They said they would take his whole crew accross which is what they did. They paid a lot more. He felt he was not appreciated enough at Honda. So he moved. Maybe he would have beaten Agostini record if he stayed we will never Know. It definitly cost him one world championship when he was beaten by Hayden on the same 5 cylynder bike he used to ride. As much as I like Hayden he was never in Rossis class.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 22, 2019, 08:42:45 am
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

He described his reasons in his autobiography. 

(EDIT:) Just saw Bwana's post.  That was basically how VR tells it.  The book is a good read.  He describes how the discussions all happened in secret, one even in a catering tent late at night and when they thought they saw someone approaching, how they all hid under the tables!   

So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

Come on, you want to tell me you won't leave those turds for those beautiful, yet very slow these days, Yamaha's? :peepwall: :pot:

Corrected .   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 22, 2019, 09:04:45 am
Sneaky people these Yamaha boys. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 22, 2019, 12:55:49 pm
We are heading for Mugello next.  Check out the top speeds from last year.  Keep in mind JL won on a Ducati, Dovi was 2nd on a Ducati and VR was third on a Yamaha.:

- Dovi:  356,5
- JL: 343,0
- VR: 345,2

Four bikes exceeded 350:

- Dovi: 356,5 - Ducati.
- Petrux: 355,8 0 - Ducati
- Bautista: 352,4 - Ducati
- MV: 350,8 - Yamahuh???
- Iannone: 350,0 - Suzuki
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on May 22, 2019, 02:21:18 pm
Exactly right - VR46 was a team member at Honda.  His aspiration to become a god was offered to him by Yamaha.  VR got to become mr Yamaha - running the show.  got bigger than the game - the rest is history

just remember one thing - VR got to beat Biaggi and Hayden -----MM is beating VR...   that's it
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 22, 2019, 04:38:13 pm
just remember one thing - VR got to beat Biaggi and Hayden -----MM is beating VR...   that's it

Thats right but he also got beaten by Hayden and Stoner twice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OFFROAD FANATICS on May 22, 2019, 05:25:54 pm
We are heading for Mugello next.  Check out the top speeds from last year.  Keep in mind JL won on a Ducati, Dovi was 2nd on a Ducati and VR was third on a Yamaha.:

- Dovi:  356,5
- JL: 343,0
- VR: 345,2

Four bikes exceeded 350:

- Dovi: 356,5 - Ducati.
- Petrux: 355,8 0 - Ducati
- Bautista: 352,4 - Ducati
- MV: 350,8 - Yamahuh???
- Iannone: 350,0 - Suzuki

Yamahuh??? should rather read " Ja Maar Hoe?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 22, 2019, 08:03:37 pm
just remember one thing - VR got to beat Biaggi and Hayden -----MM is beating VR...   that's it

Thats right but he also got beaten by Hayden and Stoner twice.

But MM was beaten by JL. :-[ :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 22, 2019, 08:04:57 pm
So, uhm, with such a record, why did VR46 leave Honda?

In Rossi s book he said Yamaha approached him behind close doors. They said they would take his whole crew accross which is what they did. They paid a lot more. He felt he was not appreciated enough at Honda. So he moved. Maybe he would have beaten Agostini record if he stayed we will never Know. It definitly cost him one world championship when he was beaten by Hayden on the same 5 cylynder bike he used to ride. As much as I like Hayden he was never in Rossis class.

Rossi also tells of Honda's dishonourable way in which they denied him possession of the promised NSR500.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 22, 2019, 09:00:29 pm
We are heading for Mugello next.  Check out the top speeds from last year.  Keep in mind JL won on a Ducati, Dovi was 2nd on a Ducati and VR was third on a Yamaha.:

- Dovi:  356,5
- JL: 343,0
- VR: 345,2

Five bikes exceeded 350:

- Dovi: 356,5 - Ducati.
- Petrux: 355,8 0 - Ducati
- Bautista: 352,4 - Ducati
- MV: 350,8 - Yamahuh???
- Iannone: 350,0 - Suzuki

Yamahuh??? should rather read " Ja Maar Hoe?

Perhaps his winglet got snatched in the tailpiece of a Ducati?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 22, 2019, 09:50:12 pm
Ek gaan nou slaap. :xxbah:

Bus en sy volgelinge. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 23, 2019, 09:38:15 am
Rossi also tells of Honda's dishonourable way in which they denied him possession of the promised NSR500.

Why would they give it to him after he just fucked them over. There are two sides to every story.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on May 23, 2019, 10:17:16 am
Rossi also tells of Honda's dishonourable way in which they denied him possession of the promised NSR500.

Why would they give it to him after he just fucked them over. There are two sides to every story.

what is tosser.  A tosser with the most supporters in history
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 23, 2019, 12:37:20 pm
A tosser wat goed genoeg is om `n Ferrari F1  te toets.
Iets wat MM nooit sal regkry nie, want F1 karre is te vrek duur om teen die naaste pitwall op te gaan hang. :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 23, 2019, 02:16:48 pm
Rossi also tells of Honda's dishonourable way in which they denied him possession of the promised NSR500.

Why would they give it to him after he just fucked them over. There are two sides to every story.

Yet, other manufacturers as rule do give the bike a championship was won on to the rider, regardless of whether he stays with them, or not.

A tosser wat goed genoeg is om `n Ferrari F1  te toets.
Iets wat MM nooit sal regkry nie, want F1 karre is te vrek duur om teen die naaste pitwall op te gaan hang. :peepwall:

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/136535/motogp-champion-marquez-tests-f1-car
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 23, 2019, 04:10:45 pm
Ag nee oom Bear, daar maak jy my naam gat :bueller:
Ek like MM soos jam, en ek like jam f*k*l....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 23, 2019, 07:25:33 pm
Ag nee oom Bear, daar maak jy my naam gat :bueller:
Ek like MM soos jam, en ek like jam f*k*l....

Jou naam is nie gat nie, want MM het n 2de rangse F1 kar getoets, nie soos Rossi, n FERARRI nie. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on May 24, 2019, 06:45:15 am
I agree, he should have tested a proper F1 like a Mercedes.  Deutsche machinery uber alles... :imaposer:  strange how all the good brands come from the Axis Powers of WW2?  Strange... :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 24, 2019, 07:48:34 am
I agree, he should have tested a proper F1 like a Mercedes.  Deutsche machinery uber alles... :imaposer:  strange how all the good brands come from the Axis Powers of WW2?  Strange... :imaposer:

Are you saying it's a race thing?......... :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 24, 2019, 07:56:22 am
Not all races are equal  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 24, 2019, 07:58:10 am
Ag nee oom Bear, daar maak jy my naam gat :bueller:
Ek like MM soos jam, en ek like jam f*k*l....

Jou naam is nie gat nie, want MM het n 2de rangse F1 kar getoets, nie soos Rossi, n FERARRI nie. :ricky: :ricky:

'n Tweede rangse Ferrari .....   >:D



Ag nee oom Bear, daar maak jy my naam gat :bueller:
Ek like MM soos jam, en ek like jam f*k*l....

Askies.  Ek is 'n dêm poepol!  Amper so erg soos 2SD.   :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on May 24, 2019, 08:07:52 am
I agree, he should have tested a proper F1 like a Mercedes.  Deutsche machinery uber alles... :imaposer:  strange how all the good brands come from the Axis Powers of WW2?  Strange... :imaposer:

Are you saying it's a race thing?......... :pot:
Yes it's a race thing. Called MotoGP.  :ricky:

Oh wait...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 24, 2019, 09:27:07 am
I agree, he should have tested a proper F1 like a Mercedes.  Deutsche machinery uber alles... :imaposer:  strange how all the good brands come from the Axis Powers of WW2?  Strange... :imaposer:

Not strange at all.  It is understandable that they would push their desire to death and destruction, now that the war is over, into fast cars and bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 24, 2019, 06:09:20 pm
I agree, he should have tested a proper F1 like a Mercedes.  Deutsche machinery uber alles... :imaposer:  strange how all the good brands come from the Axis Powers of WW2?  Strange... :imaposer:

Not strange at all.  It is understandable that they would push their desire to death and destruction, now that the war is over, into fast cars and bikes.

Also interesting how much of the Merc team's expertise and services comes from that hopeless Brexit land. :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2019, 04:00:45 pm
Lets hope Lorenzo comes good at Mugello like he did on the Ducati. He needs to start improving so far he has been a let down on the Honda.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 04:51:02 pm
Lets hope Lorenzo comes good at Mugello like he did on the Ducati. He needs to start improving so far he has been a let down on the Honda.

Lorenzo is a sour oke, and will only do well if absolutely everything works well around him.

Things go wrong, en die knaap se tor val af.

MM is proof that the problem does not lie with the bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2019, 05:18:00 pm
I think you are right. Its a pity because he is one great rider possibly the smoothest out there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 06:32:03 pm
I think you are right. Its a pity because he is one great rider possibly the smoothest out there.

On the right bike he'll equal MM.

But MM invented the word "tenacity".
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 29, 2019, 07:38:36 pm
I agree on his type of bike he is as fast as anyone. Maybe he must go back to one of those sweet handling Yamahas or the Suzuki those in line 4 cylinders seem to be sweeter handlers.
Having said that Marquez recons this years Honda much better than last years in the handling department.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 29, 2019, 09:03:48 pm
I agree on his type of bike he is as fast as anyone. Maybe he must go back to one of those sweet handling Yamahas or the Suzuki those in line 4 cylinders seem to be sweeter handlers.
Having said that Marquez recons this years Honda much better than last years in the handling department.

Ag no, not this! :xxbah:

When will my suffering end? :P
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 29, 2019, 09:10:12 pm
I was expecting more from Zarco too,  he was untouchable the 2 last years he ran  (and won) the moto2 championship.
Some more top dog competition, in any form, will be good.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2019, 09:17:27 am
Lets hope Lorenzo comes good at Mugello like he did on the Ducati. He needs to start improving so far he has been a let down on the Honda.

Lorenzo is a sour oke, and will only do well if absolutely everything works well around him.

Things go wrong, en die knaap se tor val af.

MM is proof that the problem does not lie with the bike.

One of the racing bosses at Ducati recently said that if Honda did not have MM, they would not have won a single race the previous and this season.

I agree on his type of bike he is as fast as anyone. Maybe he must go back to one of those sweet handling Yamahas or the Suzuki those in line 4 cylinders seem to be sweeter handlers.
Having said that Marquez recons this years Honda much better than last years in the handling department.

Ag no, not this! :xxbah:

When will my suffering end? :P

Possibly, never.   :-[

I am starting to think that we should convince Honda to paint a bike blue.  It will help me imagine Yamaha is great again.  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2019, 11:26:28 am
One of the racing bosses at Ducati recently said that if Honda did not have MM, they would not have won a single race the previous and this season.


Well MM likes it and he was definitley part of the development. Lets see how the season goes. The Ducati boses must start winning World Championships before they comment he must also go for a memory check as Crutchlow won last year. Mugello should be good for them as it is there track. They will be bitter if they lose there as it is a very fast Track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2019, 12:01:00 pm
One of the racing bosses at Ducati recently said that if Honda did not have MM, they would not have won a single race the previous and this season.


Well MM likes it and he was definitley part of the development. Lets see how the season goes. The Ducati boses must start winning World Championships before they comment he must also go for a memory check as Crutchlow won last year. Mugello should be good for them as it is there track. They will be bitter if they lose there as it is a very fast Track.

Ah well, I reckon the Ducati bosses live in a free country and can make any statement they like. They are not part of WD's where they can be prescribed when they can say what.   >:D :peepwall:

Their memories aren't to bad either as one win by Crutchlow is very clearly in the "one swallow does not make a summer" category. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2019, 01:14:22 pm
Ah well, I reckon the Ducati bosses live in a free country and can make any statement they like. They are not part of WD's where they can be prescribed when they can say what.

The problem is it sounds like sour grapes. One would expect more from a team like that. Yamaha would not make a statement like that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2019, 01:19:26 pm
Ah well, I reckon the Ducati bosses live in a free country and can make any statement they like. They are not part of WD's where they can be prescribed when they can say what.

The problem is it sounds like sour grapes. One would expect more from a team like that. Yamaha would not make a statement like that.

It does sound like sour grapes.  Agreed.  I am not sure that Yamaha would not make such a statement, but it is a moot point, but then, one can say, if it wasn't for Maverick, Yamaha would not have had any wins the past two seasons!  Ducati did however make the statement and if we look at the Honda win record for 2018 and 2019 they are correct.  Anyone of us could have made the statement.  Dani's last year and JL's first wasn't fireworks for Honda at all.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2019, 01:24:30 pm
Firstly it is to early to judge Lorenzo. Secondly what kind of Message are sending to there riders especially Dovi your good but not that good. It is all round a stupid thing to say especially about a Company with by far the best History in Motorcycle racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2019, 01:37:02 pm
Firstly it is to early to judge Lorenzo. Secondly what kind of Message are sending to there riders especially Dovi your good but not that good. It is all round a stupid thing to say especially about a Company with by far the best History in Motorcycle racing.

Eish!  You always differ from me!  No matter what I say.   >:D

We will soon watch the 7th race of the 2019 season and we somehow still say that it is to early to judge Lorenzo.  Lorenzo, who have some years of experience on MotoGP bikes?  Rookies from Moto2 are doing better than he is.  MM in his first year in MotoGP didn't require anyone, 6 races into the season to say: "it is too early to judge Marquez".  Why not?  Because he was kicking arse left, right and center.   Lorenzo  himself took pole and finished 2nd during his first ever race on a MotoGP bike and finished 4th in the championship.

I note your observation that Ducati bosses made a stupid statement.  I have to disagree.  It was only stating the truth as it is. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 30, 2019, 03:08:52 pm
 
I note your observation that Ducati bosses made a stupid statement.  I have to disagree.  It was only stating the truth as it is.


That is an opinion there is no verfication for truthfulness maybe you mean the truth as you see it. The fact that Crutchlow won already makes the statment null invoid. It took over a year for Lorenzo to come good with Ducati. He always rode parrallel engines till Ducati. That statement by Ducatti is outright ridiculous I would like to see it I dont believe they would make a statement like that. It says nothing good about them or there riders. My opinion.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2019, 06:52:18 pm
Ducati bosses?

Who the hell are they? :pot:

If you look back over decades of GP's, it has always been so that either Honda or Yamaha, did they not have Wayne Gardner or Eddie Lawson or Wayne Rainey or Michael Doohan or King Kenny,

Neithe rbike would win a race. :imaposer:

Quite rare to have 2 guys in the same team that's running neck to neck in the leaderboards.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 31, 2019, 08:23:47 am


If you look back over decades of GP's, it has always been so that either Honda or Yamaha, did they not have Wayne Gardner or Eddie Lawson or Wayne Rainey or Michael Doohan or King Kenny,

Neithe rbike would win a race. :imaposer:

Quite rare to have 2 guys in the same team that's running neck to neck in the leaderboards
.

I agree. In fact Yamaha when they had Lorenzo and Rossi was probably the strongest team ever.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 10:19:09 am
Ducati bosses?

Who the hell are they? :pot:



No idea.  I read the article.  Forgot the name of the guy who said it.

Side note:  Interesting how the same guy who gets all hot and bothered when one says that MM only wins because the Honda is great, gets all hot and bothered when you say Honda only wins because MM is great .....   :peepwall: :lol8:


I note your observation that Ducati bosses made a stupid statement.  I have to disagree.  It was only stating the truth as it is.


That is an opinion there is no verfication for truthfulness maybe you mean the truth as you see it. The fact that Crutchlow won already makes the statment null invoid. It took over a year for Lorenzo to come good with Ducati. He always rode parrallel engines till Ducati. That statement by Ducatti is outright ridiculous I would like to see it I dont believe they would make a statement like that. It says nothing good about them or there riders. My opinion.

On that note, neither was it verified as not the truth so perhaps you only see it as not correct, because you mean the truth as you see it, no?  Help me understand, as you seem vehemently opposed to opinions.  Does that mean this whole forum is null and void?  All discussions about MotoGP is null and void, because, let us be truthful, all we are doing is share our opinions and that of others.  For instance, this opinion below by you cannot be tested for the truth:

I agree. In fact Yamaha when they had Lorenzo and Rossi was probably the strongest team ever.

I am trying to understand here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on May 31, 2019, 10:59:43 am
I am trying to understand here.

Opinions are not fact. They are an expression of your thoughts. Maybe you should go get a dictionary. I am both an MM supporter and Honda. However having said that I like to see good competition from other manufacturers and respect and believe in great Companies like Yamaha especially and would have no problem owning a Yamaha or any other bike that I like.I also like Lorenzo and supported him when he was with both Yamaha and Ducatti This is not a pissing contest. Having thought more about this no way would Ducatti make a stupid statement like that.  It is great combinations of Teams,bikes and riders that win world championships. A package deal. My opinion which I am sure is shared by many.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 31, 2019, 11:15:08 am
I am trying to understand here.

Opinions are not fact. They are an expression of your thoughts. Maybe you should go get a dictionary. I am both an MM supporter and Honda. However having said that I like to see good competition from other manufacturers and respect and believe in great Companies like Yamaha especially and would have no problem owning a Yamaha or any other bike that I like.I also like Lorenzo and supported him when he was with both Yamaha and Ducatti This is not a pissing contest. Having thought more about this no way would Ducatti make a stupid statement like that.  It is great combinations of Teams,bikes and riders that win world championships. A package deal. My opinion which I am sure is shared by many.


Including me
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 11:59:08 am
I am trying to understand here.

Opinions are not fact. They are an expression of your thoughts. Maybe you should go get a dictionary. I am both an MM supporter and Honda. However having said that I like to see good competition from other manufacturers and respect and believe in great Companies like Yamaha especially and would have no problem owning a Yamaha or any other bike that I like.I also like Lorenzo and supported him when he was with both Yamaha and Ducatti This is not a pissing contest. Having thought more about this no way would Ducatti make a stupid statement like that.  It is great combinations of Teams,bikes and riders that win world championships. A package deal. My opinion which I am sure is shared by many.

No, it is not a pissing contest.  At least we can agree on something. 

The total package is critically important, I have said so many times.  We agree on two things.

The problem here is that you have now, in one paragraph, told me I am stupid (I need a dictionary) and you called me a liar.  Not nice, eh?

Anyway, we won't agree, so let's not.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on May 31, 2019, 12:04:59 pm
Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 12:06:35 pm
Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Sheer brilliance!  If VR didn't exist, you would be my hero!   :thumleft: :lol8:

Ugh!  It seems another weekend of Binder disappointment on its way.  FP1, very early days, but Darryn 30th and Brad 13th fastest.   :'( :-\

I'll give all experts here 30 guesses who was fastest in MotoGP FP1.  Clue:  There is a 9 and a 3 in his number. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on May 31, 2019, 12:19:05 pm


If you look back over decades of GP's, it has always been so that either Honda or Yamaha, did they not have Wayne Gardner or Eddie Lawson or Wayne Rainey or Michael Doohan or King Kenny,

Neithe rbike would win a race. :imaposer:

Quite rare to have 2 guys in the same team that's running neck to neck in the leaderboards
.

I agree. In fact Yamaha when they had Lorenzo and Rossi was probably the strongest team ever.

Nope .................. Doohan/ Criville was the strongest team ever.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 31, 2019, 12:46:23 pm
So, what's the predictions for Mugello, where the bikes from Borgo Panigale have been doing not too bad of late ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2019, 01:49:06 pm
Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Bus, though in denial, is actually in full agreement with you. :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 01:51:53 pm
Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Bus, though in denial, is actually in full agreement with you. :peepwall:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Personally, I would not be surprised if you are hit by a bus any day soon.

So, what's the predictions for Mugello, where the bikes from Borgo Panigale have been doing not too bad of late ?

I so badly want to say Yamaha 1 and 2.  I really do .....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 31, 2019, 02:19:29 pm
Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Bus, though in denial, is actually in full agreement with you. :peepwall:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Personally, I would not be surprised if you are hit by a bus any day soon.

So, what's the predictions for Mugello, where the bikes from Borgo Panigale have been doing not too bad of late ?

I so badly want to say Yamaha 1 and 2.  I really do .....

How about MM, then Dovi and VR, in that order, on the steps
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 02:22:03 pm
Ugh!  It seems another weekend of Binder disappointment on its way.  FP1, very early days, but Darryn 30th and Brad 13th fastest.   :'( :-\


Ah!  Darryn to 10th in FP2.  Amazing these single cylinder 250's doing 235km/h + at Mugello.

Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Bus, though in denial, is actually in full agreement with you. :peepwall:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Personally, I would not be surprised if you are hit by a bus any day soon.

So, what's the predictions for Mugello, where the bikes from Borgo Panigale have been doing not too bad of late ?

I so badly want to say Yamaha 1 and 2.  I really do .....

How about MM, then Dovi and VR, in that order, on the steps

A real possibility.  MM is in a class of his own this year.  Dovi is fast on this track and was 2nd last year.  VR knows Mugello like the palm of his hand and was 3rd last year.   From FP1, MM is fastest, but both Dovi and VR struggled in 12th and 13th.  Espargaro on a Aprilia was 5th, so maybe Dovi and VR tested how fast they could push a bike around the track?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2019, 02:46:25 pm
Danie!  Tree aan!  Bring your toolbox.  It is clear Ya,aha is in dire need of a proper Yamaha fan / mechanic.  Look at the top speeds from FP1:

Rins Suzuki:  350,0
Petrucci Ducati: 348.7
Miller Ducati: 346,7
Iannone Aprilia: 346,1  A FEKKING APRILIA, DANIE!!!!
JL Honda:  343,8
Espargaro Aprilia:  343,7 THE OTHER FEKKING APRILIA!!!!
MM Honda: 343,1
A variety of bikes including )(*^&%^*_() Karel Abraham and (*&^%&)( Tito Rabat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quartararo fastest Yamaha: 340,6
A variety of bikes including children like Mir, Pecca and Oliviera
VR Yamaha: 337,9
MV Yamaha: 336,1
The Fish Kid KTM: 334,4
Morbidelli Yamaha: 330,3

 :-[ :-\ :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on May 31, 2019, 03:46:04 pm
Danie!  Tree aan!  Bring your toolbox.  It is clear Ya,aha is in dire need of a proper Yamaha fan / mechanic.  Look at the top speeds from FP1:

Rins Suzuki:  350,0
Petrucci Ducati: 348.7
Miller Ducati: 346,7
Iannone Aprilia: 346,1  A FEKKING APRILIA, DANIE!!!!
JL Honda:  343,8
Espargaro Aprilia:  343,7 THE OTHER FEKKING APRILIA!!!!
MM Honda: 343,1
A variety of bikes including )(*^&%^*_() Karel Abraham and (*&^%&)( Tito Rabat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quartararo fastest Yamaha: 340,6
A variety of bikes including children like Mir, Pecca and Oliviera
VR Yamaha: 337,9
MV Yamaha: 336,1
The Fish Kid KTM: 334,4
Morbidelli Yamaha: 330,3

 :-[ :-\ :'(

Don't stress bud.....that's just practice !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 01, 2019, 10:17:22 am
Yes, only practise, in the race Rossi will use the top 2 gears.

I predict,  1. VR,
                2. Dovi,
                3. JL.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on June 01, 2019, 12:34:23 pm
This is a sticky one. I want the old man to win, just to stick it to them, Dovi's a lekker oke and I've always favoured Suzuki.

So, I'll go with them, in that order. VR, AD and AR.

But I'd still bet on MM .......................  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on June 01, 2019, 08:23:30 pm
See MM got pole, with Quartararo and Petrucci filling up the first line.Dovi & Rossi way back 😳
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: VaalBaas on June 01, 2019, 08:32:58 pm
This is a sticky one. I want the old man to win, just to stick it to them, Dovi's a lekker oke and I've always favoured Suzuki.

So, I'll go with them, in that order. VR, AD and AR.

But I'd still bet on MM .......................  8)

Jy moes maar :thumleft: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 02, 2019, 05:13:19 pm
What a ride by the top 5/6 guys!!

Deeply disappointed in the Yamaha team, in fact I do not know what they're going to do.

It was good to see the attitude between the top riders after the race, all sportmanlike.

Quite happy for Petrucci.
\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on June 02, 2019, 07:24:46 pm
MM is coming if age. What a master

I havent seen this talent in my lifetime. And he didnt even won.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 02, 2019, 07:53:27 pm
MM is coming if age. What a master

I havent seen this talent in my lifetime. And he didnt even won.

But Rossi is far cleverer, he crashed before they could lap him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on June 02, 2019, 07:58:11 pm
That Suzuki is looking better and better each race... :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2019, 08:50:44 am
What a ride by the top 5/6 guys!!

Deeply disappointed in the Yamaha team, in fact I do not know what they're going to do.

It was good to see the attitude between the top riders after the race, all sportmanlike.

Quite happy for Petrucci.
\

It was an amazing race.  One of the best I have seen in a long time. 

What can one say about the Yamahas?  Not much without bursting into tears.  I wonder how far back we'd have to go in history to see the best Yamaha 5th in the world championship?   :'( :'(

But Rossi is far cleverer, he crashed before they could lap him.

Rossi didn't crash.  The bike was so slow, they both fell asleep.   >:( :'(

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on June 03, 2019, 09:17:42 am
Damn, please can we arrange a hand bag session in a mutually agreed location and then ride bikes  :imaposer: come one guys, it's factor's out of our control. Anyway, statistics mean nothing. Rossi in my mind is the best that was, is and will be  :thumleft:

Bus, though in denial, is actually in full agreement with you. :peepwall:

Oom Daan, ek sien hierdie nou eers.

Weereens, Rossi is nie te bad nie, sy aanhangers is die probleem.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on June 03, 2019, 09:20:21 am
Baie bly vir Petrucci, die ou verdien dit.

Veral nou met al die praatjies oor Miller wat sy plek moet vat, ens...

Die hele wedren was 'n plesier om te kyk, amper soos Moto3 met 250+ Hp

My senuwees was klaar op die einde :eek:

 :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bus on June 03, 2019, 09:24:55 am
En Rins het ampertjies vir Dovi gefnuik op die laaste draai

6 Wedrenne sover, 4 verskillende wenners, en 2 van hulle se eerste wenne.

Die toekoms is rooskleurig

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on June 03, 2019, 09:48:30 am
Excellent race. Just proves again that top speeds don't win races  ;) MM said he went out to defend, rather than attack.......utter nonsense, his DNA is devoid of such behavior and just that is what makes him so absolutely brilliant  :thumleft:
The big cop raced the race of his life, very stoked for him.In a sport of massive attitudes and egos, his humble and honest joy was a pleasure to watch.Regarded by many as no more than an overweight journeyman racer, Petrucchi handed some ass on trays....particularly a tray with a no. 93 engraved on it  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 03, 2019, 09:51:32 am
Naelkou race sommer van die begin af!!!

Verstommend hoe MM op die lang straight die Ducati's kon inhaal. :o

Yamaha se ingeneurs? Fire die lot :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2019, 10:12:30 am
Excellent race. Just proves again that top speeds don't win races  ;) MM said he went out to defend, rather than attack.......utter nonsense, his DNA is devoid of such behavior and just that is what makes him so absolutely brilliant  :thumleft:
The big cop raced the race of his life, very stoked for him.In a sport of massive attitudes and egos, his humble and honest joy was a pleasure to watch.Regarded by many as no more than an overweight journeyman racer, Petrucchi handed some ass on trays....particularly a tray with a no. 93 engraved on it  ;)

Top speeds don't win races, but on on a track like Mugello, with a very long main straight it does help a lot.  Of the top 4, the Ducatis of Dovi and Petrux, as expected had the best top speed at around 348 - 350 while MM did 346 and Rins 345.  Fast enough to stay in the slipstream.  What is more important than the actual top speeds is where is it attained and that is where the Yamahas, for one, falls flat.  While they reached similar top speeds (VR 348) they lost out on initial acceleration which meant that they reached their top end later and ran less of the straight at that speed.

I watched parts of FP3 and was flabbergasted to see Pol Espargaro on the KTM blast past Rossi on the initial part of the straight, like VR was standing still.  VR lost a half a second in Sector 4!  How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???   




Naelkou race sommer van die begin af!!!

Verstommend hoe MM op die lang straight die Ducati's kon inhaal. :o

Yamaha se ingeneurs? Fire die lot :deal:

MM het die slipstream uitstekend benut.  DIt was hoe hy pole gekry het ook.  DIe klein wetter is besig om slim te raak ook!   :lol8:

Fire Yamaha se ingenieurs!?  Sny hulle keel af met 'n stomp mes!   :xxbah:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on June 03, 2019, 11:33:14 am
Excellent race. Just proves again that top speeds don't win races  ;) MM said he went out to defend, rather than attack.......utter nonsense, his DNA is devoid of such behavior and just that is what makes him so absolutely brilliant  :thumleft:
The big cop raced the race of his life, very stoked for him.In a sport of massive attitudes and egos, his humble and honest joy was a pleasure to watch.Regarded by many as no more than an overweight journeyman racer, Petrucchi handed some ass on trays....particularly a tray with a no. 93 engraved on it  ;)

Top speeds don't win races, but on on a track like Mugello, with a very long main straight it does help a lot.  Of the top 4, the Ducatis of Dovi and Petrux, as expected had the best top speed at around 348 - 350 while MM did 346 and Rins 345.  Fast enough to stay in the slipstream.  What is more important than the actual top speeds is where is it attained and that is where the Yamahas, for one, falls flat.  While they reached similar top speeds (VR 348) they lost out on initial acceleration which meant that they reached their top end later and ran less of the straight at that speed.



I watched parts of FP3 and was flabbergasted to see Pol Espargaro on the KTM blast past Rossi on the initial part of the straight, like VR was standing still.  VR lost a half a second in Sector 4!  How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???   




Naelkou race sommer van die begin af!!!

Verstommend hoe MM op die lang straight die Ducati's kon inhaal. :o

Yamaha se ingeneurs? Fire die lot :deal:

MM het die slipstream uitstekend benut.  DIt was hoe hy pole gekry het ook.  DIe klein wetter is besig om slim te raak ook!   :lol8:

Fire Yamaha se ingenieurs!?  Sny hulle keel af met 'n stomp mes!   :xxbah:

Appreciate your lecture about top speeds and slip streaming Bear......stuff that all us racing fanatics have practically experienced and know  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 03, 2019, 02:00:20 pm
How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???

Well now that all the electronic rules have changed to equalise the bikes. Do we finally agree it is mechanical. If you listen to the commentary on free practise 1. One of the commentaters stated pretty clearly they have a fundamentle engine problem(ex GP racer guest) which I read as mechanical.   

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on June 03, 2019, 02:46:31 pm
They need to go back to a flat plane crankshaft me thinks.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 04, 2019, 07:11:44 am
Hibo iyamaha iyinqola yedonsi
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 07:51:35 am
How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???

Well now that all the electronic rules have changed to equalise the bikes. Do we finally agree it is mechanical. If you listen to the commentary on free practise 1. One of the commentaters stated pretty clearly they have a fundamentle engine problem(ex GP racer guest) which I read as mechanical.

It has been suggested that Yamaha also go to a V configuration, but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals, cannot get that in-line 4 to work, while

the Suzuki is?  What could be this "fundamental engine problem", that Suzuki is not suffering from?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 04, 2019, 08:02:16 am
How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???

Well now that all the electronic rules have changed to equalise the bikes. Do we finally agree it is mechanical. If you listen to the commentary on free practise 1. One of the commentaters stated pretty clearly they have a fundamentle engine problem(ex GP racer guest) which I read as mechanical.

It has been suggested that Yamaha also go to a V configuration, but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals, cannot get that in-line 4 to work, while

the Suzuki is?  What could be this "fundamental engine problem", that Suzuki is not suffering from?
The tuning fork is obviously set to the wrong frequency. Now there's no resonance in the team. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on June 04, 2019, 08:06:35 am
How the heck Yamaha is not able to solve that initial traction problem after all this time, I cannot fathom.   ???

Well now that all the electronic rules have changed to equalise the bikes. Do we finally agree it is mechanical. If you listen to the commentary on free practise 1. One of the commentaters stated pretty clearly they have a fundamentle engine problem(ex GP racer guest) which I read as mechanical.

It has been suggested that Yamaha also go to a V configuration, but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals, cannot get that in-line 4 to work, while

the Suzuki is?  What could be this "fundamental engine problem", that Suzuki is not suffering from?

Two Yamahas in the top 10 is probably not too bad a result.What is a bit concerning is the fact that Quartararo ( although a rookie ) sat on second spot before the lights went out and faded badly as the race progressed. Maybe its just the race pressure that got to him and no engine and/or suspension issues which are mooted now ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2019, 08:14:14 am
but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals,

Unfortunatley this is an opinion of which I disagree what have Yamaha bought that is new to the engine party. Honda bought the VTEC engine now copied in various guises by every manufacturer the o2 sensor now an essential part of every engine, The 3 cylinder big bang 2 stroke after the disasterous big bang oval piston 4 stroke 500.Seamless gearbox. Honda s advantage has always been in its engineering it is an extremley innovative company. We now have controlls on electronics simply put because Honda was so far ahead it could controll a screamer engine on its electronics.
Screamers are faster engines but have less controllable torque. The rules were changed so Honda had to abandon the 5 cylinder,
My personal opinion is Yamaha handling has been there strong point. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 11:22:38 am
but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals,

Unfortunatley this is an opinion of which I disagree what have Yamaha bought that is new to the engine party. Honda bought the VTEC engine now copied in various guises by every manufacturer the o2 sensor now an essential part of every engine, The 3 cylinder big bang 2 stroke after the disasterous big bang oval piston 4 stroke 500.Seamless gearbox. Honda s advantage has always been in its engineering it is an extremley innovative company. We now have controlls on electronics simply put because Honda was so far ahead it could controll a screamer engine on its electronics.
Screamers are faster engines but have less controllable torque. The rules were changed so Honda had to abandon the 5 cylinder,
My personal opinion is Yamaha handling has been there strong point.

This is my suspicion, the change in electronic rules made it impossible for Yamaha to control their own screamer engine. Honda has always had a bit of a advantage in the V configuration of it's engine,

the v-engines are just more controllable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2019, 12:25:17 pm
To my knowledge the Yamaha Engine is not a screamer it is a 270 degree engine there are no screamers left. However the SBK Kawasaki is still a screamer. That was the first change Rossi made when he arrived there having being riding the V5 270 degree. The power was more usable according to him in his book. Honda went back to the screamer in the 800cc looking for more speed and kept it till the electronics rules came in..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 04, 2019, 04:42:27 pm
In this day and age, it can not be this difficult to sort out problems within a brand as strong as this.
Either the riders are not helping to develop out of this problem, or the technical side is not not doing there job proper. Or both.
In the end, riders and/or tech teams do some musical chairs at the end of the season, and the problem continues maybe.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 05:56:30 pm
but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals,

Unfortunatley this is an opinion of which I disagree what have Yamaha bought that is new to the engine party. Honda bought the VTEC engine now copied in various guises by every manufacturer the o2 sensor now an essential part of every engine, The 3 cylinder big bang 2 stroke after the disasterous big bang oval piston 4 stroke 500.Seamless gearbox. Honda s advantage has always been in its engineering it is an extremley innovative company. We now have controlls on electronics simply put because Honda was so far ahead it could controll a screamer engine on its electronics.
Screamers are faster engines but have less controllable torque. The rules were changed so Honda had to abandon the 5 cylinder,
My personal opinion is Yamaha handling has been there strong point.

What Yamaha brought new to the engine party is powervalves, both 2 and 4stroke ones, and true multi-valve cylinderheads.

For a company one-tenth the size of Honda, Yamaha has played a lion's share part in the motorcycle world.

Yes, since the early RD's Yamaha's strong point has been well handling chassis'.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2019, 05:58:13 pm
I agree but this is a problem that the engineers must be flat out on even Suzuki seem faster with a similar engine. The Yamaha team seem to be confused as their customer bikes seem faster.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 06:01:48 pm
I agree but this is a problem that the engineers must be flat out on even Suzuki seem faster with a similar engine. The Yamaha team seem to be confused as their customer bikes seem faster.

Yes, there are huge problems at Yamaha, and it pains me.

Yamaha should work on a system of attaching a hook to MM's bike, to be pulled along. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 04, 2019, 06:04:04 pm
For a company one-tenth the size of Honda, Yamaha has played a lion's share part in the motorcycle world.

I have to agree with that statement. I have huge respect for Yamaha even though I am a Honda guy.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 06:24:56 pm
For a company one-tenth the size of Honda, Yamaha has played a lion's share part in the motorcycle world.

I have to agree with that statement. I have huge respect for Yamaha even though I am a Honda guy.

I had this sneaky suspicion you may be a Honda guy. :pot:

I really like your enthusiasm for the brand, I am much the same for Yamaha. Both of us have good reasons to be fond of these companies.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 04, 2019, 08:13:22 pm
Eendag gaan julle twee makkers wakker skrik en besef BMW is die beste. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 08:16:27 pm
Eendag gaan julle twee makkers wakker skrik en besef BMW is die beste. :pot:

Die GS310? :peepwall:

Force India. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on June 05, 2019, 04:16:16 am
I am so frustrated with Yamaha. There’s clearly a big fuckup in their team. These results for even a half decent team are highly uncommon, it’s not bad luck. It’s bad something.

This guys take sounds right...

https://www.cycleworld.com/danilo-petrucci-wins-stunning-italian-grand-prix-at-mugello#page-3
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 05, 2019, 07:45:45 am
Excellent piece Andrew.

Yep, I agree, Yamaha is in an inaction period. :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2019, 08:53:52 am
I fear Yamaha was caught with their pants down, no ... with their pants on another planet when the big changes (ECU and tyres) came.  While Honda and Ducati in that same year poached electronic engineers from the makers of the ECU, created an European testing team and supplied one full factory spec bike (with string attached) to their satellite team, Yamaha did none of the above.  2019 was the first year that one of the Yamahas in the satellite team is full factory spec and they established their European testing team at the end of 2018, for the 2019 season.  They also restructured their racing division with ahead of two "transferred" but they are a good 2 - 3 years behind and it can be seen in their performance.  It is enough to make a grown Yamaha fan cry.   :( >:(

Eendag gaan julle twee makkers wakker skrik en besef BMW is die beste. :pot:

Die GS310? :peepwall:

Force India. :eek7:

Well, die 310GS het Sondag presies net so goed gedoen in die GP as Rossi op 'n Yamaha  .....    :biggrin:

Ag hel Danie, as Stellenbosch nie so vêr was nie het ek nou jou skouer kom sopnat tjank oor die M1! 



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KaTooMatt on June 05, 2019, 09:15:37 am
but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals,

Unfortunatley this is an opinion of which I disagree what have Yamaha bought that is new to the engine party. Honda bought the VTEC engine now copied in various guises by every manufacturer the o2 sensor now an essential part of every engine, The 3 cylinder big bang 2 stroke after the disasterous big bang oval piston 4 stroke 500.Seamless gearbox. Honda s advantage has always been in its engineering it is an extremley innovative company. We now have controlls on electronics simply put because Honda was so far ahead it could controll a screamer engine on its electronics.
Screamers are faster engines but have less controllable torque. The rules were changed so Honda had to abandon the 5 cylinder,
My personal opinion is Yamaha handling has been there strong point.

While there is no doubt about Honda's engineering expertise, innovators they are not.

They engineer beautiful light packages that extract the most from an engine. VTEC is their brand name for variable valve timing. Alfa Romeo used it first in a production engine a full 9 years before Honda's first VTEC engine. Chevrolet and Porsche engineers had played with the concept since the 1960's. Kawasaki were the first to use the concept in a bike engine.

The O2 sensor was developed by Robert Bosch and first used by Volvo in 1976.

The big bang principle was developed on the British racing bikes of the q950's and 60's.

Honda are very good at applying all their Japanese know how to optimise technology. They are not the innovators you claim. As a result you have amazing vehicles and bikes that are engineered to be better than the sum of the parts but if you know to look you will always find a predecessor by someone else. Even if it is a lowly Alfa Spider.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on June 05, 2019, 09:51:34 am
but what still baffles me is how Yamaha, who on any day is as good as Honda in engine mechanicals,

Unfortunatley this is an opinion of which I disagree what have Yamaha bought that is new to the engine party. Honda bought the VTEC engine now copied in various guises by every manufacturer the o2 sensor now an essential part of every engine, The 3 cylinder big bang 2 stroke after the disasterous big bang oval piston 4 stroke 500.Seamless gearbox. Honda s advantage has always been in its engineering it is an extremley innovative company. We now have controlls on electronics simply put because Honda was so far ahead it could controll a screamer engine on its electronics.
Screamers are faster engines but have less controllable torque. The rules were changed so Honda had to abandon the 5 cylinder,
My personal opinion is Yamaha handling has been there strong point.

While there is no doubt about Honda's engineering expertise, innovators they are not.

They engineer beautiful light packages that extract the most from an engine. VTEC is their brand name for variable valve timing. Alfa Romeo used it first in a production engine a full 9 years before Honda's first VTEC engine. Chevrolet and Porsche engineers had played with the concept since the 1960's. Kawasaki were the first to use the concept in a bike engine.

The O2 sensor was developed by Robert Bosch and first used by Volvo in 1976.

The big bang principle was developed on the British racing bikes of the q950's and 60's.

Honda are very good at applying all their Japanese know how to optimise technology. They are not the innovators you claim. As a result you have amazing vehicles and bikes that are engineered to be better than the sum of the parts but if you know to look you will always find a predecessor by someone else. Even if it is a lowly Alfa Spider.
The DCT was a first for production bikes, gear driven cams, oval pistoned NR ? Not saying they were first, taking a flyer here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2019, 10:16:45 am
Something that baffles me is that these companies, be it Honda, Yamaha or even Suzuki or Ducati are all brilliant motorcycle builders.  They are all innovative to some extend and they should all be able to build a really good MotoGP bike.  Why then do we see the Yamaha a sweet handler, the Ducati not so much?  The Ducati making more power than the others, etc.  I think I have the answer, in that they are aiming for different routes to the same destination, but it still baffles me.

If we look at M2, for instance.  How does the very competitive KTM, even from its first year in the class become a KTMule?  I would think with the budget and tech available to them, it is a matter of sorting the issue with a beer in one hand and a boerie roll in the other.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 05, 2019, 10:24:28 am
Something that baffles me is that these companies, be it Honda, Yamaha or even Suzuki or Ducati are all brilliant motorcycle builders.  They are all innovative to some extend and they should all be able to build a really good MotoGP bike.  Why then do we see the Yamaha a sweet handler, the Ducati not so much?  The Ducati making more power than the others, etc.  I think I have the answer, in that they are aiming for different routes to the same destination, but it still baffles me.

If we look at M2, for instance.  How does the very competitive KTM, even from its first year in the class become a KTMule?  I would think with the budget and tech available to them, it is a matter of sorting the issue with a beer in one hand and a boerie roll in the other.
The same phenomenon appears in F1 as well, and other races too I'm sure. I'm convinced that a winning team is the one that has the perfect blend of riders, mechanics and team managers. Once you get that team clicking you have a team that can perform even on a slightly mediocre machine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2019, 11:02:45 am
Something that baffles me is that these companies, be it Honda, Yamaha or even Suzuki or Ducati are all brilliant motorcycle builders.  They are all innovative to some extend and they should all be able to build a really good MotoGP bike.  Why then do we see the Yamaha a sweet handler, the Ducati not so much?  The Ducati making more power than the others, etc.  I think I have the answer, in that they are aiming for different routes to the same destination, but it still baffles me.

If we look at M2, for instance.  How does the very competitive KTM, even from its first year in the class become a KTMule?  I would think with the budget and tech available to them, it is a matter of sorting the issue with a beer in one hand and a boerie roll in the other.
The same phenomenon appears in F1 as well, and other races too I'm sure. I'm convinced that a winning team is the one that has the perfect blend of riders, mechanics and team managers. Once you get that team clicking you have a team that can perform even on a slightly mediocre machine.

Yes, once a team clicks all round, especially if they have a great rider and a great machine, will become almost invincible.  A current example from MGP is the Honda / HRC / Repsol / MM marriage.  What still makes me wonder is why then would JL struggle so much in the same team with the same bike.  If we step away from Honda to KTM, we see Pol Espargaro miles ahead of his team mate Zarco.  I wonder what causes that.  Zarco is no slouch and as good a rider, if not better than Pol.  Obviously there is some issue.  I often wonder what it is.

So, while I realise I am the dumb  bugger in this, I still wonder why it cannot be fixed by a dude with thick glasses, lots of pens in his pocket and in a white coat, with a tablet in one hand and a beer in the other.  Tap a few icons and voila!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 05, 2019, 11:51:50 am
While there is no doubt about Honda's engineering expertise, innovators they are not.

They engineer beautiful light packages that extract the most from an engine. VTEC is their brand name for variable valve timing. Alfa Romeo used it first in a production engine a full 9 years before Honda's first VTEC engine. Chevrolet and Porsche engineers had played with the concept since the 1960's. Kawasaki were the first to use the concept in a bike engine.

The O2 sensor was developed by Robert Bosch and first used by Volvo in 1976.

The big bang principle was developed on the British racing bikes of the q950's and 60's.

Honda are very good at applying all their Japanese know how to optimise technology. They are not the innovators you claim. As a result you have amazing vehicles and bikes that are engineered to be better than the sum of the parts but if you know to look you will always find a predecessor by someone else. Even if it is a lowly Alfa Spider.


Sorry you are right about the The 02 sensor I was getting confused between that and the CVCC engine of which Honda won awards for being the first engine to meet the emissions act in the states.
As for VTEC it is entirely Honda and is patented to the hilt just like Ducatti Valve Technoligy ( Desmodici), It is different to the Alpha system which just alters the Cam valve timing. The Honda system shifts the cam to a completely different high lift Lobe so basically you have two different cams on one cam shaft a standard and a sports cam. A system Toyota were working on at the same time. However the uniqness of the Honda system is that it is operated by oil pressure (that is the patent) and has proved to be the most reliable system by far. In the early 2000s Honda released a statement 18 million VTEC engines made without a VTEC warranty. The big bang engine was used earlier by the Brits and even Honda . However the first 2 stroke big bang was a Honda.  Honda has been in the unique position were it can apply things learnt in the car trade to Motorcycles ie ECU fuel injection. DCT these are all Honda firsts for production Motorcycles.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 05, 2019, 12:26:37 pm
My perception is that Honda is one of the more, if not the most innovative motorcycle manufacturers.  While it is true that they are not always first with something, they are often the first to make it work on a race bike and then commercially.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 05, 2019, 01:36:26 pm
It must be remebered that although Yamaha bought the rights. They were the developers and first to bring the monoshock/suspension to motorcycles. If they had spent more time on the patents the rest of Motorcycle manufacturers would have been sucking the hind Tit  for many years. Honda got around it by moving it and adding a link. Hence pro link.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 05, 2019, 05:11:53 pm
It must be remebered that although Yamaha bought the rights. They were the developers and first to bring the monoshock/suspension to motorcycles. If they had spent more time on the patents the rest of Motorcycle manufacturers would have been sucking the hind Tit  for many years. Honda got around it by moving it and adding a link. Hence pro link.

And Suzuki gotaround it by adding two links, the Full-floater.

Kawasaki added a track, the Uni-track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 06, 2019, 02:02:30 pm
And Suzuki gotaround it by adding two links, the Full-floater.


Sounds like Suzuki took a crap in the swimming pool!   :o :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2019, 02:58:16 pm
KTM went to a linked rear suspension in 2015 I think  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2019, 08:21:35 pm
KTM went to a linked rear suspension in 2015 I think  >:D

Like BMW went to watercooling only a few years ago, and then brag about it. :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2019, 08:54:17 am
KTM went to a linked rear suspension in 2015 I think  >:D

Like BMW went to watercooling only a few years ago, and then brag about it. :imaposer: :imaposer:

And there I though BMW had liquid cooled bikes decades ago.  Silly me thinking something like the K-Series and F-Series have been liquid cooled for many moons.  In fact, early 80's don't sound like "only a few years ago" to me .....   :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2019, 01:05:42 pm
KTM went to a linked rear suspension in 2015 I think  >:D

Like BMW went to watercooling only a few years ago, and then brag about it. :imaposer: :imaposer:

And there I though BMW had liquid cooled bikes decades ago.  Silly me thinking something like the K-Series and F-Series have been liquid cooled for many moons.  In fact, early 80's don't sound like "only a few years ago" to me .....   :imaposer: :imaposer:

It does to me...... :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 10, 2019, 02:54:24 pm
KTM went to a linked rear suspension in 2015 I think  >:D

Like BMW went to watercooling only a few years ago, and then brag about it. :imaposer: :imaposer:

And there I though BMW had liquid cooled bikes decades ago.  Silly me thinking something like the K-Series and F-Series have been liquid cooled for many moons.  In fact, early 80's don't sound like "only a few years ago" to me .....   :imaposer: :imaposer:

It does to me...... :ricky:

 :laughing4:

True!  Time flies when you are having fun.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on June 11, 2019, 09:07:55 am
https://thebikeshow.co.za/donovan-fourie-i-feel-sorry-for-jorge-lorenzo-and-heres-why/?fbclid=IwAR33bzKTTwhmy2vaTd4WyoSfhr26nm-J1y5MnlApqSTwSTAbziJykyu2tA8
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 11, 2019, 09:32:02 am
https://thebikeshow.co.za/donovan-fourie-i-feel-sorry-for-jorge-lorenzo-and-heres-why/?fbclid=IwAR33bzKTTwhmy2vaTd4WyoSfhr26nm-J1y5MnlApqSTwSTAbziJykyu2tA8
Actually a nice read, some great insights in there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 11, 2019, 01:57:23 pm
A good read, for sure.

I must say, JL and his weak performances at Ducati and now Honda does have me puzzled though.  He popped into MGP on the Yamaha back in 2008 and qualified  on pole and finished 2nd in his first race ever.  He finished 4th in the championship. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 11, 2019, 03:48:56 pm
ja, i do not know. Donovan also mentions that the honda was built for a small guy like mm.
but little pedrosa also was not exactly fireworks on the honda, for most of the time.

i am not so sure these problems are bike related, cmon, the tt guys jump between 600cc/1000cc/lightweight/electric/superbike/superstock bikes and go racing 135 mph average through villages with stone walls.

good to see suzuki doing well at mugello..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 11, 2019, 06:43:41 pm
What is Donovan saying, that Honda built and set up both bikes for MM, but that poor Jorge must ride one??

What is he trying to say with his example of having to ride a bike set up for the SA champ? They were not team-mates like MM and JL.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 12, 2019, 10:37:22 am
i am not so sure these problems are bike related, cmon, the tt guys jump between 600cc/1000cc/lightweight/electric/superbike/superstock bikes and go racing 135 mph average through villages with stone walls.

But the top TT guys all jump between the various bikes and would therefore all suffer the same advantage, or disadvantage.  Also, the TT bikes are not MotoGP bikes.  I think JL is suffering two problems.  First is that between his ears.  He seem to have lost confidence in himself and the bike.  Second, the bike does not suit him as well as he would like and that feeds his confidence issue.

MM is not that much smaller than JL and somewhat bigger than Dani.  He is 1,68m / 59kg while JL is 1,71 / 66kg.  Dani is 1,58m / 51kg.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 12, 2019, 11:57:50 am
 the bike does not suit him as well as he would like

Weird how this affects many riders. Rossi to Ducati as example. One would think on their level a bike is a bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 12, 2019, 12:49:39 pm
i am not so sure these problems are bike related, cmon, the tt guys jump between 600cc/1000cc/lightweight/electric/superbike/superstock bikes and go racing 135 mph average through villages with stone walls.

But the top TT guys all jump between the various bikes and would therefore all suffer the same advantage, or disadvantage.  Also, the TT bikes are not MotoGP bikes.  I think JL is suffering two problems.  First is that between his ears.  He seem to have lost confidence in himself and the bike.  Second, the bike does not suit him as well as he would like and that feeds his confidence issue.

MM is not that much smaller than JL and somewhat bigger than Dani.  He is 1,68m / 59kg while JL is 1,71 / 66kg.  Dani is 1,58m / 51kg.

Deesdae se seisoen-lange probleme, dus dalk meer n teken van ons tyd.
Ek is amper seker JL sal teen die einde van die seisoen goed doen op die Honda, net voor hulle hom wil boot. Soos hy ook by Ducati gedoen het.

In die ouer dae het die ouens met `n hengse klomp on/off 2 stroke krag gesit, met suspensie, brieke, bande en hantering wat maar gebrekkig was. Elektroniese bystand het nie bestaan nie, en daar kon nie gou n laptop ingeplug word om die fuelling aan te pas nie.
Ouens was verplig om rondom die probleme te ry.
Vandag is elektronika meer betrokke, en die vermoee vir die ouens om aan te pas is minder gevraag, hulle probeer eerder die bike heeltyd verander.

Ek voel ongelukkig ook dat, alhoewel motogp en f1 die premier klas van 2 en 4 wielle is, dit elke dag minder aanskoulik word.
Case in point, wat met Vettel gebeur het die naweek. Op die stadium is hy heelwat agter by Hamilton in punte, hoe anders moet jy vir Hmailton probeer klop as om aggresief te bestuur?
Woeps waps, Vettel was eerste oor die wenstreep maar weens sy 5 sek penalty kry hy 2de plek, agter Hamilton. Swak.....
Jammer vir die afwyk en hi jack oom Bear, dit is vreeslik frustrerend.......Ons krieketspan lyk ook soos n klomp no 99`s....


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 12, 2019, 01:12:58 pm
Wie de donner kyk nou F1 en Krieket?? :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 12, 2019, 01:18:14 pm
Wie de donner kyk nou F1 en Krieket?? :eek7:

nee ek kyk net die highlites oubee....
en dus reeds te veel vir my geduld.
bly jy nog daar in jou kasteel in stb, wil kom kuier?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 12, 2019, 02:00:29 pm
i am not so sure these problems are bike related, cmon, the tt guys jump between 600cc/1000cc/lightweight/electric/superbike/superstock bikes and go racing 135 mph average through villages with stone walls.

But the top TT guys all jump between the various bikes and would therefore all suffer the same advantage, or disadvantage.  Also, the TT bikes are not MotoGP bikes.  I think JL is suffering two problems.  First is that between his ears.  He seem to have lost confidence in himself and the bike.  Second, the bike does not suit him as well as he would like and that feeds his confidence issue.

MM is not that much smaller than JL and somewhat bigger than Dani.  He is 1,68m / 59kg while JL is 1,71 / 66kg.  Dani is 1,58m / 51kg.

Deesdae se seisoen-lange probleme, dus dalk meer n teken van ons tyd.
Ek is amper seker JL sal teen die einde van die seisoen goed doen op die Honda, net voor hulle hom wil boot. Soos hy ook by Ducati gedoen het.

In die ouer dae het die ouens met `n hengse klomp on/off 2 stroke krag gesit, met suspensie, brieke, bande en hantering wat maar gebrekkig was. Elektroniese bystand het nie bestaan nie, en daar kon nie gou n laptop ingeplug word om die fuelling aan te pas nie.
Ouens was verplig om rondom die probleme te ry.
Vandag is elektronika meer betrokke, en die vermoee vir die ouens om aan te pas is minder gevraag, hulle probeer eerder die bike heeltyd verander.

Ek voel ongelukkig ook dat, alhoewel motogp en f1 die premier klas van 2 en 4 wielle is, dit elke dag minder aanskoulik word.
Case in point, wat met Vettel gebeur het die naweek. Op die stadium is hy heelwat agter by Hamilton in punte, hoe anders moet jy vir Hmailton probeer klop as om aggresief te bestuur?
Woeps waps, Vettel was eerste oor die wenstreep maar weens sy 5 sek penalty kry hy 2de plek, agter Hamilton. Swak.....
Jammer vir die afwyk en hi jack oom Bear, dit is vreeslik frustrerend.......Ons krieketspan lyk ook soos n klomp no 99`s....

Niks om oor jammer te wees nie.  Jy praat baie sin, behalwe die F1 en Krieket ding.  Wadahel is dit?   :snorting:

Die naweek is twee WSBK jaers ook gestraf oor iets wat my bek laat oophang.  Een van die dae kry jy 'n penalty omdat jy tydens die wedren gepoep het!   :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 12, 2019, 02:07:33 pm
 :laughing4:
Solank die race director nie jou hoor poep nie...
Mind you, poep in `n one piece leersuit kan jou dalk uitvang, wanneer jy later oopzip...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: FlexZA on June 12, 2019, 04:37:38 pm
i am not so sure these problems are bike related, cmon, the tt guys jump between 600cc/1000cc/lightweight/electric/superbike/superstock bikes and go racing 135 mph average through villages with stone walls.

But the top TT guys all jump between the various bikes and would therefore all suffer the same advantage, or disadvantage.  Also, the TT bikes are not MotoGP bikes.  I think JL is suffering two problems.  First is that between his ears.  He seem to have lost confidence in himself and the bike.  Second, the bike does not suit him as well as he would like and that feeds his confidence issue.

MM is not that much smaller than JL and somewhat bigger than Dani.  He is 1,68m / 59kg while JL is 1,71 / 66kg.  Dani is 1,58m / 51kg.

Deesdae se seisoen-lange probleme, dus dalk meer n teken van ons tyd.
Ek is amper seker JL sal teen die einde van die seisoen goed doen op die Honda, net voor hulle hom wil boot. Soos hy ook by Ducati gedoen het.

In die ouer dae het die ouens met `n hengse klomp on/off 2 stroke krag gesit, met suspensie, brieke, bande en hantering wat maar gebrekkig was. Elektroniese bystand het nie bestaan nie, en daar kon nie gou n laptop ingeplug word om die fuelling aan te pas nie.
Ouens was verplig om rondom die probleme te ry.
Vandag is elektronika meer betrokke, en die vermoee vir die ouens om aan te pas is minder gevraag, hulle probeer eerder die bike heeltyd verander.

Ek voel ongelukkig ook dat, alhoewel motogp en f1 die premier klas van 2 en 4 wielle is, dit elke dag minder aanskoulik word.
Case in point, wat met Vettel gebeur het die naweek. Op die stadium is hy heelwat agter by Hamilton in punte, hoe anders moet jy vir Hmailton probeer klop as om aggresief te bestuur?
Woeps waps, Vettel was eerste oor die wenstreep maar weens sy 5 sek penalty kry hy 2de plek, agter Hamilton. Swak.....
Jammer vir die afwyk en hi jack oom Bear, dit is vreeslik frustrerend.......Ons krieketspan lyk ook soos n klomp no 99`s....
Stem nie heltemal 100% saam nie.

Die bikes word so op die limit gery, dat een ding wat bitjie af is kan 0.1 sekondes per lap kos wat verskil van 1de of 10de plek kan wees.

Daar is sommige ryers wat setup, feedback van die bike en goed beter verstaan as ander. Maar hulle almal is daar omdat hulle goed kan ry.

Bike setup kan a race maak of breek, so maklik soos dit
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 13, 2019, 07:56:58 am
Wie de donner kyk nou F1 en Krieket?? :eek7:

nee ek kyk net die highlites oubee....
en dus reeds te veel vir my geduld.
bly jy nog daar in jou kasteel in stb, wil kom kuier?

Kom kuier gerus! Nog steeds hier.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2019, 09:01:56 am
Met al die opgewondenheid oor Petrux se eerste wen daar op Mugello in Italië, het almal 'n nuwe rekord wat Yamaha gebreek het mis gekyk.  DIt was die eerste keer in 15 jaar dat daar nie 'n Yamaha op die podium was nie.  Nokken fice!   >:( :-\

2003; VR won on a Honda.  First Yamaha Nakano in 5th.
2004: VR won on a Yamaha.  Next Yamaha Abe in 7th.
2005: VR won.  Next Yamaha Edwards in 9th.
2006: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th.
2007: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th
2008: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards 5th (Satellite bike)
2009: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2010: JL 2nd.  Next Yamaha Spies 7th (Satellite bike)
2011: JL won.  Next Yamaha Spies 4th (Now factory bike)
2012: JL won.  Next Yamaha Dovi 3rd (Satellite bike)
2013: JL won. Next Yamaha Crutchlow 3rd (Satellite bike)
2014: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2015: JL won. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2016: JL won. Next Yamaha Smith 7th (Satellite bike)
2017: MV 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 4th
2018: VR 3rd.  Next Yamaha MV 8th
2019: MV 6th.  Next Yamaha Fabio 10th (Satellite bike)   <------  :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 13, 2019, 12:22:54 pm
Met al die opgewondenheid oor Petrux se eerste wen daar op Mugello in Italië, het almal 'n nuwe rekord wat Yamaha gebreek het mis gekyk.  DIt was die eerste keer in 15 jaar dat daar nie 'n Yamaha op die podium was nie.  Nokken fice!   >:( :-\

2003; VR won on a Honda.  First Yamaha Nakano in 5th.
2004: VR won on a Yamaha.  Next Yamaha Abe in 7th.
2005: VR won.  Next Yamaha Edwards in 9th.
2006: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th.
2007: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th
2008: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards 5th (Satellite bike)
2009: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2010: JL 2nd.  Next Yamaha Spies 7th (Satellite bike)
2011: JL won.  Next Yamaha Spies 4th (Now factory bike)
2012: JL won.  Next Yamaha Dovi 3rd (Satellite bike)
2013: JL won. Next Yamaha Crutchlow 3rd (Satellite bike)
2014: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2015: JL won. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2016: JL won. Next Yamaha Smith 7th (Satellite bike)
2017: MV 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 4th
2018: VR 3rd.  Next Yamaha MV 8th
2019: MV 6th.  Next Yamaha Fabio 10th (Satellite bike)

Vasbyt tjom, een van die dae  word die bordjies verhang.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2019, 01:16:57 pm
Met al die opgewondenheid oor Petrux se eerste wen daar op Mugello in Italië, het almal 'n nuwe rekord wat Yamaha gebreek het mis gekyk.  DIt was die eerste keer in 15 jaar dat daar nie 'n Yamaha op die podium was nie.  Nokken fice!   >:( :-\

2003; VR won on a Honda.  First Yamaha Nakano in 5th.
2004: VR won on a Yamaha.  Next Yamaha Abe in 7th.
2005: VR won.  Next Yamaha Edwards in 9th.
2006: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th.
2007: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards in 12th
2008: VR won. Next Yamaha Edwards 5th (Satellite bike)
2009: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2010: JL 2nd.  Next Yamaha Spies 7th (Satellite bike)
2011: JL won.  Next Yamaha Spies 4th (Now factory bike)
2012: JL won.  Next Yamaha Dovi 3rd (Satellite bike)
2013: JL won. Next Yamaha Crutchlow 3rd (Satellite bike)
2014: JL 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2015: JL won. Next Yamaha VR 3rd.
2016: JL won. Next Yamaha Smith 7th (Satellite bike)
2017: MV 2nd. Next Yamaha VR 4th
2018: VR 3rd.  Next Yamaha MV 8th
2019: MV 6th.  Next Yamaha Fabio 10th (Satellite bike)

Vasbyt tjom, een van die dae  word die bordjies verhang.

Is so.  Is so, maar ek, 2SD en VR word ook nie jonger nie .....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 13, 2019, 01:39:08 pm
How far do we have to go back to find a World Championship with the best Yamaha 5th in the standings?

2019:  5th and  8th.
2018:  3rd and 4th
2017:  3rd and 5th
2016:  2nd and 3rd
2015:  1st and 2nd
2014:  2nd and 3rd
2013:  2nd and 4th
2012:  1st and 4th (Dovi on satellite bike)
2011:  2nd and 5th
2010:  1st and 3rd
2009:  1st and 2nd
2008:  1st and 4th
2007:  3rd and 9th
2006:  2nd and 7th
2005:  1st and 4th
2004:  1st and 7th
2003:  7th and 9th - BINGO.  16 odd years!  Carlos Checa and Alex Barros
2002:  2nd and 5th
2001:  2nd and 5th
2000:  3rd and 5th
1999:  4th and 6th
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 13, 2019, 07:55:41 pm
500GP's, as well as MotoGP, has been the stomping grounds of Yamaha and Honda.

Yamaha will be back, they are just too good not to be.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 14, 2019, 11:49:47 am
Looking forward to this next race.. if its anything like the last race . Lets see what FP1 holds
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 14, 2019, 12:12:21 pm
Looking forward to this next race.. if its anything like the last race . Lets see what FP1 holds

MM fastest.  Top speed: 344,3
Quartoraro 2nd 337,0
Vinales 3rd 337,3
Dovi 4th 345,3
Nakagami 5th 341,8
Jackass 6th 345,3
Rins 7th 338,6
Morbidelli 8th 334,6
VR 9th 339,7

Sort of like FP1 for all the previous races.

Darryn 4th in FP1 with Brad 9th and Steven 24th.

Yamaha will be back, they are just too good not to be.

You are right, off course, but for now I am wallowing in self pity because my favourite bike and favourite rider are going for a pot of crock.  Will think postive after a few days of said wallowing.   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Africamike on June 14, 2019, 12:55:45 pm
George's new tank that he bought back from Japan.....

https://www.gpone.com/en/2019/06/14/motogp/in-barcelona-a-dumbo-like-tank-on-lorenzos-honda.html
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 14, 2019, 04:47:10 pm
A nice pic of the new tank fittings.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on June 14, 2019, 05:06:01 pm
Raak van VR ontslae, dan sal die kitaarmakers weer wen..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on June 15, 2019, 05:05:36 pm
4 Yamaha's in top 5. Not bad I think, but #93 will sort them out again tomorrow.

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: billy-joe on June 16, 2019, 10:19:03 am
is the race really only being screened at 20h00 or is dstv confused again?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mike gs on June 16, 2019, 10:57:29 am
Supersport App says 14h00

Sent from my SM-J810F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on June 16, 2019, 12:21:50 pm
Holy Shyte, Moto 3 was one crazy Race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on June 16, 2019, 03:55:02 pm
Lorenzo maak nie regtig vriende vandag nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 16, 2019, 04:22:17 pm
Lorenzo has just proved he was worth every cent Honda spent on him. ;D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on June 16, 2019, 05:29:14 pm
A pity, I liked Lorenzo with him at Ducati, he was good on that machine - the move to Honda has not been a gentle one so far and will test his come back skills. Hope the same negative team situation dont develop  in Honda as it did in Ducati last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: billy-joe on June 16, 2019, 05:42:42 pm
just imagine he had taken his team mate out!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 16, 2019, 06:05:44 pm
Holy Shyte, Moto 3 was one crazy Race.

Yip. Better than an episode of GOT. Fantastic race.

Man of the match for me was Binder. He had the pace.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on June 16, 2019, 06:36:49 pm
Talk about team orders.....Lorenzo just wiped all the competition. Such a tosser, should have stayed in 12th position where he belongs  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 16, 2019, 07:05:20 pm
Well, JL99 did have some improved riding this time around. Until, that is, he decided that it's enough improvement for now and it's time to help his teammate by getting rid of the competition.  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 16, 2019, 07:40:43 pm
Well, JL99 did have some improved riding this time around. Until, that is, he decided that it's enough improvement for now and it's time to help his teammate by getting rid of the competition.  ::)

Not the first time 99 helped 93
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on June 16, 2019, 09:56:51 pm
That crash took all the excitement out of the race - was looking forward to a good fight up the front with the Yamahas improving.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 17, 2019, 06:43:33 pm
Jorge is simply not used to be that high up, shock set in and cause him to take several riders out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: FanieKrismis on June 17, 2019, 07:43:46 pm
Raak van VR ontslae, dan sal die kitaarmakers weer wen..

Het jy gister 'n fokken direkte lyn na dear Jorge toe gehad  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on June 17, 2019, 08:53:00 pm
Raak van VR ontslae, dan sal die kitaarmakers weer wen..

Het jy gister 'n fokken direkte lyn na dear Jorge toe gehad  :imaposer:

Nee maar Jorge het gedink hy het n reguit lyn gehad in daai draai toe kill hy almal se joy :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 17, 2019, 09:24:37 pm
Raak van VR ontslae, dan sal die kitaarmakers weer wen..

Het jy gister 'n fokken direkte lyn na dear Jorge toe gehad  :imaposer:

Nee maar Jorge het gedink hy het n reguit lyn gehad in daai draai toe kill hy almal se joy :deal:

Jorge het weer die ou gebruikte nekbearings van Markie gekry. Stuurtraag is die term. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: armpump on June 17, 2019, 09:41:59 pm
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 18, 2019, 08:15:33 am
If you were one for conspiracy theories, you could probably build a solid case around the "convenience" of the taking out of MM's close contender by his teammate.

Possibly the pit team told JL; "Look, since you're so useless as a racer, make yourself useful and take out Dovi"

The Yamaha's were just collateral damage.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2019, 09:57:18 am
If there is on MotoGP rider today who does not require a race handed him on a platter, it is MM93 and what happens?  He gets handed more free muffins on a platter, in one corner, than all of SA's GS riders from BMW in a year.

I am so proud of myself.  A whole sentence about the race without swearing crudely.   :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:

Shortened version of responses:

JL99:  I am sorry for them, but they were wrong place at the wrong time.
MV25:  I hope JL is severely penalised for this rookie mistake.
Dovi:  I accepted his apology, but he should be penalised.  He also did crazy things during free practises.
VR46:  Great shame.  My ankle hurts.  It happens.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on June 18, 2019, 11:30:47 am
I did not get to see the race, anyone know when it would be shown again if at all?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 18, 2019, 12:05:00 pm
I did not get to see the race, anyone know when it would be shown again if at all?

I am sure there will be repeats on DSTV.  Don't know when though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on June 18, 2019, 12:23:43 pm
What's in the 'salad box'  :lol8: well that's what some call it on the Ducati and I am sure every manufacturer has some sort of similar set up somewhere on the bike. My main question is what do the others have and how does it or different systems help some riders recover impossible front end slides.

I know what the 'salad box' could be but are Honda tossing MM's salad and offering George no vasaline?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 18, 2019, 12:38:31 pm
If there is on MotoGP rider today who does not require a race handed him on a platter, it is MM93 and what happens?  He gets handed more free muffins on a platter, in one corner, than all of SA's GS riders from BMW in a year.

I am so proud of myself.  A whole sentence about the race without swearing crudely.   :dousing: :dousing: :dousing:

Shortened version of responses:

JL99:  I am sorry for them, but they were wrong place at the wrong time.
MV25:  I hope JL is severely penalised for this rookie mistake.
Dovi:  I accepted his apology, but he should be penalised.  He also did crazy things during free practises.
VR46:  Great shame.  My ankle hurts.  It happens.

"Wrong place, wrong time"???

Like what, on the racetrack, or near you, or near you at that time??

Idiot.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Snafu on June 18, 2019, 01:40:03 pm
.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Gingerball on June 18, 2019, 01:52:43 pm
MM was pissed at Jorge during one of the practice or qualifying runs when Jorge seemed to cruise around on the track and got in MM's way. Everything does not seem peachy between them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on June 18, 2019, 04:50:10 pm
What a lot of anger against Lorenzo.  It happens, they have all done it at some stage and had it done to them as well.  #99 should be awarded bonus points for 3 in 1 hit, but not as many as the guy in Moto3 whose action took out 6 in total.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rooikoos on June 18, 2019, 06:00:54 pm
I did not get to see the race, anyone know when it would be shown again if at all?

I am sure there will be repeats on DSTV.  Don't know when though.

Chris

Donderdag 20 Junie, 05:00, Supersport 8  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 18, 2019, 07:16:56 pm
What a lot of anger against Lorenzo.  It happens, they have all done it at some stage and had it done to them as well.  #99 should be awarded bonus points for 3 in 1 hit, but not as many as the guy in Moto3 whose action took out 6 in total.

When last have any top rider taken out 3 other top riders?

#JLmustgo. [fasterwitoutfalling]

 :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on June 18, 2019, 08:24:08 pm
Well all I can say is George sucks at ten pin bowling, he will never pick up a spare at this rate.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 19, 2019, 07:50:16 am
Pfft, arme ou JL kan ook nooit iets goed doen in julle boekies nie.
The (slow) Doctor kla na afloop van `n seer enkel, was dit die MM-afskop-enkel? :peepwall:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on June 19, 2019, 07:51:41 am
 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 19, 2019, 12:56:09 pm
Interesting how the rules work.

- Maverick cruises on the racing line during free practise:  3 spots penalty on the grid.
- JL does the same, twice:  No penalties
- Smith slides out one rider:  3 spot penalty on the grid for the next race.
- JL slides out 3:  No penalty.



Pfft, arme ou JL kan ook nooit iets goed doen in julle boekies nie.
The (slow) Doctor kla na afloop van `n seer enkel, was dit die MM-afskop-enkel? :peepwall:

Eish!  Jy verstaan steeds nie fisika nie en daarby het jy ook nie na die videos gekyk nie.  Sjoe!   :pot: :peepwall: >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on June 19, 2019, 01:07:14 pm
Chase away both JL and VR --- one for being both kak ito racing and personality and the other for killing the Kitaarmaker as a brand...  replace Yamaha with Kawasaki.   :thumleft: and KTM with BMW  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 19, 2019, 03:49:30 pm
Chase away both JL and VR --- one for being both kak ito racing and personality and the other for killing the Kitaarmaker as a brand...  replace Yamaha with Kawasaki.   :thumleft: and KTM with BMW  :deal:

But not the Boxer, ti will dangerously spew conrods into the pavillion.

If you take VR away, the sport will hurt a bit. He is MotoGP.

Daar kak ou Bus nou n drol soos n Vimblik. :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on June 20, 2019, 12:03:21 pm

If you take VR away, the sport will hurt a bit. He is MotoGP


I think you mean was MotoGP :pot:.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 20, 2019, 02:44:22 pm

If you take VR away, the sport will hurt a bit. He is MotoGP


I think you mean was MotoGP :pot:.

You mean, MotoGP was?   :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DouglasN on June 21, 2019, 10:12:29 am


Didn't he take out Pedrosa and somebody else in a similar incident last year,    went wide, cut back hit pedrosa and then the tumbling took somebody else out


Quote


Quote from: 2StrokeDan on 18 June 2019, 19:16:56 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=231187.msg4268642#msg4268642)



When last have any top rider taken out 3 other top riders?

#JLmustgo.
[fasterwitoutfalling]

 :pot: 


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on June 21, 2019, 12:53:42 pm


That one was not quite the same as the recent one.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 25, 2019, 02:28:20 pm
Last week, the MotoE crowd spend three days practicing at Valencia.   Not so much bike testing and setup.  They actually ran a full three day GP weekend simulation with FP1, FP2 on day 1, then FP3 and QP on day 2 with a simulation race on day 3.  This race was won by Esponsorama Avinita Racing’s Eric Granado.  So, herewith the sound of the future!   :patch:

&t=30s

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on June 25, 2019, 03:37:33 pm
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fudge on June 25, 2019, 04:01:11 pm
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?

Currently only on short circuits.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on June 25, 2019, 04:05:56 pm
Last week, the MotoE crowd spend three days practicing at Valencia.   Not so much bike testing and setup.  They actually ran a full three day GP weekend simulation with FP1, FP2 on day 1, then FP3 and QP on day 2 with a simulation race on day 3.  This race was won by Esponsorama Avinita Racing’s Eric Granado.  So, herewith the sound of the future!   :patch:

&t=30s
:puke_l: :puke_r: :puke_l: :puke_r:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on June 25, 2019, 04:35:15 pm
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?

Currently only on short circuits.   :lol8:

Smart arse ..................  :biggrin: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 25, 2019, 05:09:52 pm
Sounds horrible!

Long way off for a e-bike to win at the Bol'd'or. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on June 25, 2019, 06:31:27 pm
Sounds horrible!

Long way off for a e-bike to win at the Bol'd'or. :ricky:

Yes, will take some getting used to.  Sounds like a cross between a Star Wars movie and an Amsterdam tram.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2019, 08:01:38 am
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?

Warm up laps required for brakes and tyres. 

Only 1 sec off the Moto3 lap record.

Colour me pink and call me 2SD, but I somehow like the sound.   ???

This year at the Isle of Man TT race the TT Zero figures were:

Fastest average lap:  193,6km/h
Fastest top speed: 267,2km/h


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 26, 2019, 08:05:48 am
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?

Warm up laps required for brakes and tyres.

Colour me pink and call me 2SD, but I somehow like the sound.   ???

Only 1 sec off the Moto3 lap record.

I bet Yamaha are pushing hard for e-bikes, as they are struggling a bit with engine tuning. >:D

E-bikes will completely eliminate the engine tuning and development part, I guess, and therefore will bring a drop in the cost of racing that will be very welcome.

OR will battery tech fill this "void"?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on June 26, 2019, 08:17:44 am
What is that noise we're hearing? I've never heard electric motors sounding like that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 26, 2019, 08:18:32 am
TRON!!!

No more warm-up laps?

Warm up laps required for brakes and tyres.

Colour me pink and call me 2SD, but I somehow like the sound.   ???

Only 1 sec off the Moto3 lap record.

I bet Yamaha are pushing hard for e-bikes, as they are struggling a bit with engine tuning. >:D

E-bikes will completely eliminate the engine tuning and development part, I guess, and therefore will bring a drop in the cost of racing that will be very welcome.

OR will battery tech fill this "void"?

It would be interesting to know 2SD.  I am involved with the Solar Car racing, in a small way and the costing of their motors, solar panels and batteries is enough to make Lin Jarvis break out in a cold sweat. 

This year, they are already somewhat behind on the costs due to the fact that they had to rebuild all the bikes, chargers, batteries, etc. after haveing lost it in that fire.

Anyway, while it will take some getting used to, I am keen to see the racing.  All the bikes are identical from a single manufacturer, so it should be reasonably close.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 26, 2019, 09:31:28 am
What is that noise we're hearing? I've never heard electric motors sounding like that.
Mostly the motors, very high RPM. My eldest and I used to race remote cars, electric ones, with the motors going up to 25000 RPM at the time (and up to 40A current, for a motor that you can almost close in the palm of your hand!). Sounds very similar. Don't know what the RPM range of these bikes are though. Remember, no gearbox... as you have all your torque available from 0RPM upwards, so no need for a gearbox if the motor revs high enough.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 26, 2019, 09:52:11 pm
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 27, 2019, 09:25:55 am
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

I thought you were going to say we should look our for the dude on the blue bike with the yellow 46 on, that is your friend.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 27, 2019, 10:25:26 am
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

I thought you were going to say we should look our for the dude on the blue bike with the yellow 46 on, that is your friend.   :lol8:
At this stage I think 2SD would be too embarrassed to admit being friends with someone on a Yamaha...  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 27, 2019, 11:22:02 am
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

I thought you were going to say we should look our for the dude on the blue bike with the yellow 46 on, that is your friend.   :lol8:
At this stage I think 2SD would be too embarrassed to admit being friends with someone on a Yamaha...  :pot:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 27, 2019, 03:06:33 pm
V'sek!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 27, 2019, 03:12:14 pm
V'sek!

All your own bloody fault Danie!  I asked you to go over and tune VR's bike months ago and you ignored my request.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 27, 2019, 03:27:30 pm
V'sek!

All your own bloody fault Danie!  I asked you to go over and tune VR's bike months ago and you ignored my request.

No, I did go, but they insisted that I do not have to look at the points gap, float levels and magnetos on the Yamahas. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on June 27, 2019, 04:15:47 pm
Not breaking records so the journos have to write this.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/923814/1/rossi-two-years-without-victory
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 27, 2019, 04:20:36 pm
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

As an esteemed upstanding member of the mighty Koppe I will certainly look out for it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 27, 2019, 05:38:39 pm
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

As an esteemed upstanding member of the mighty Koppe I will certainly look out for it.

Fred's Koppe name is actually "Boompiel", not only because he smokes a lot, but he is a arborist at profession.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 27, 2019, 06:06:26 pm
A good friend of mine will be at Assen this weekend, and you guys must please look out for the Saffer with the big "PIELKOPPE" banner.

That will be Fred. >:D

As an esteemed upstanding member of the mighty Koppe I will certainly look out for it.

Fred's Koppe name is actually "Boompiel", not only because he smokes a lot, but he is a arborist at profession.

We a mature bunch it’s true.

Met him in cookhouse an buff in PE as I recall with houtpiel.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2019, 07:50:23 am
Not breaking records so the journos have to write this.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/923814/1/rossi-two-years-without-victory

That is disappointing for sure, especially for someone like myself who is a huge VR46 fan.  It is even more disappointing because I am also a huge Yamaha fan and in the two year period since VR46 won at Assen, Yamaha (factory) only won once more.  MV at Phillip Island last year.  That is two wins for Yamaha in two years. 

So, basically in 34 races, Yamaha did:

2 Wins:  VR and MV 1 each
17 Podiums: VR 9 and MV 8.

Sies!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on June 28, 2019, 07:52:20 am
What does that say about the situation?
Yamaha is holding their riders back.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 28, 2019, 07:53:56 am
What does that say about the situation?
Yamaha is holding their riders back.
Yes, indeed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2019, 08:04:13 am
What does that say about the situation?
Yamaha is holding their riders back.
Yes, indeed.

Agreed.  They are doing their riders a disservice of note.

Look, if VR wasn't the top Yamaha rider the past three years or so, we could have said, the decrepit old fart needs to retire to a stamp collection, but he is not.  Yamaha is just not "there" at the moment.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on June 28, 2019, 08:28:10 am
What does that say about the situation?
Yamaha is holding their riders back.
Yes, indeed.

Agreed.  They are doing their riders a disservice of note.

Look, if VR wasn't the top Yamaha rider the past three years or so, we could have said, the decrepit old fart needs to retire to a stamp collection, but he is not.  Yamaha is just not "there" at the moment.
The sad part is, VR does not really have the luxury of going to a new team in search of his elusive 10th. That would take a lot of development, and then there's no guarantee that it'll work out either. And, ironically the Yamaha's may start performing the moment he leaves too (a la Alonso's F1 career).

I'm hoping Yamaha can bring it to the table before the old man retires.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2019, 08:34:02 am
What does that say about the situation?
Yamaha is holding their riders back.
Yes, indeed.

Agreed.  They are doing their riders a disservice of note.

Look, if VR wasn't the top Yamaha rider the past three years or so, we could have said, the decrepit old fart needs to retire to a stamp collection, but he is not.  Yamaha is just not "there" at the moment.
The sad part is, VR does not really have the luxury of going to a new team in search of his elusive 10th. That would take a lot of development, and then there's no guarantee that it'll work out either. And, ironically the Yamaha's may start performing the moment he leaves too (a la Alonso's F1 career).

I'm hoping Yamaha can bring it to the table before the old man retires.

VR is contracted with Yamaha to end 2020, i.e. one more year to get that very elusive 10th title.  If Yamaha does not make a great leap for next season, it is pretty much all over.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 28, 2019, 03:43:59 pm
It seems that Assen will play out the same as previous races.

FP1:  Quartoraro fastest and Vinales 2nd with Rossi a distant 12th.
FP2:  Vinales fastest and Quartoraro 2nd with Rossi 9th.

JL is out for the weekend as he is spending some time in hospital after a severe crash during FP1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on June 28, 2019, 03:57:02 pm
I predicted FQ would be on the podium this year, he already did that, could this be his weekend for the top step? This laaitie is blitzig!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on June 29, 2019, 10:09:22 am
I predicted FQ would be on the podium this year, he already did that, could this be his weekend for the top step? This laaitie is blitzig!!!
 

I have to admit I did not and possibly still do not expect much from FQ.  He arrived in both M3 and M2 with a bang and never did anything more than the original arrival.  His best in both M3 and M2 was 10th in the championship. Compare that to Brad's M3 championship and 3rd in M2 championship, perhaps Brad should be on that Yamaha?  (Just me being stupid loyal).

He is very fast, but not all that consistent.  I like the kid, so I hope I am wrong though.  We need another jackal in the chicken coop.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on June 29, 2019, 12:01:42 pm
Lucky for all non Honda riders  :3some: Lorenzo is out. Better to crash now than on the first lap!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on June 29, 2019, 12:54:20 pm
He had one hell of a thump yesterday.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 01, 2019, 08:23:05 am
An the mighty were there
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on July 01, 2019, 08:39:29 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: ......................... nice one  :thumleft:

You think the dutch know what that means?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 01, 2019, 09:45:39 am
Nice rides by young Darryn, till he crashed again.  Great ride from older brother Brad.

:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: ......................... nice one  :thumleft:

You think the dutch know what that means?

If I have it correct, that basically means Duckling Heads in Dutch.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 01, 2019, 10:32:53 am
Nice rides by young Darryn, till he crashed again.  Great ride from older brother Brad.

:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: ......................... nice one  :thumleft:

You think the dutch know what that means?

If I have it correct, that basically means Duckling Heads in Dutch.   :lol8:

Our normal emblem has the P’s looking like a limp shlong with the motto “ when in doubt haul it out”

That leaves no one under any mis apprehension. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 01, 2019, 10:42:48 am
Nice rides by young Darryn, till he crashed again.  Great ride from older brother Brad.

:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: ......................... nice one  :thumleft:

You think the dutch know what that means?

If I have it correct, that basically means Duckling Heads in Dutch.   :lol8:

Our normal emblem has the P’s looking like a limp shlong with the motto “ when in doubt haul it out”

That leaves no one under any mis apprehension.

But why?   :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 01, 2019, 10:45:06 am
Nice rides by young Darryn, till he crashed again.  Great ride from older brother Brad.

:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: ......................... nice one  :thumleft:

You think the dutch know what that means?

If I have it correct, that basically means Duckling Heads in Dutch.   :lol8:

Our normal emblem has the P’s looking like a limp shlong with the motto “ when in doubt haul it out”

That leaves no one under any mis apprehension.

But why?   :eek7:

It’s a mindset. Conforming in our anti conforming.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 01, 2019, 04:05:03 pm
Daai gevrekte Yamaha enjins sal seker nooit weer n race wen nie. :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 01, 2019, 05:59:54 pm
Rumour mill has binder an sylvian swooping places.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on July 02, 2019, 08:07:02 am
Daai gevrekte Yamaha enjins sal seker nooit weer n race wen nie. :'(
Yammie het mos gewen Sondag ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2019, 08:20:24 am
Rumour mill has binder an sylvian swooping places.

Sylvian? 

Rumour mill has Brad Binder and Hafizh Syahrin swops places, i.e. Brad to MotoGP KTM Tech3 team and TheFish to Moto2 KTM Ajo team.  Personally I would prefer if he did 2020 in Moto2 on the KTM and then MotoGP on a decent bike like the Petronas Yamaha, or even a newly created Suzuki satellite team.  I can't see the KTM satellite team being anywhere near competitive next year, or even the year after that.

Daai gevrekte Yamaha enjins sal seker nooit weer n race wen nie. :'(
Yammie het mos gewen Sondag ?

Ja.  Die derde keer in twee jaar .....   :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 02, 2019, 09:27:28 am
Rumour mill has binder an sylvian swooping places.

Huh? As a Suzuki test rider?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 02, 2019, 09:47:04 am
Rumour mill has binder an sylvian swooping places.

Huh? As a Suzuki test rider?

Bloody auto correct

Syhrian swop. Not sylvian.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 02, 2019, 10:14:17 am
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 02, 2019, 10:51:03 am
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2019, 12:19:06 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.

Ag well, he wasn't that great.  He missed that you also misspelled "swapped".   >:D

Personally, since this is the MotoGP thread, I reckon you only need to know how to spell "Valentino", "Yamaha" and "Marc sucks".  The rest is not important.    :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on July 02, 2019, 12:27:17 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.

Ag well, he wasn't that great.  He missed that you also misspelled "swapped".   >:D

Personally, since this is the MotoGP thread, I reckon you only need to know how to spell "Valentino", "Yamaha" and "Marc sucks".  The rest is not important.    :peepwall: :lol8:
:laughing4: But all in all a very entertaining days racing in all 3 dicciplines. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2019, 12:29:12 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.

Ag well, he wasn't that great.  He missed that you also misspelled "swapped".   >:D

Personally, since this is the MotoGP thread, I reckon you only need to know how to spell "Valentino", "Yamaha" and "Marc sucks".  The rest is not important.    :peepwall: :lol8:
:laughing4: But all in all a very entertaining days racing in all 3 dicciplines. :thumleft:

It was.  Some seriously close racing. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: CycleC on July 02, 2019, 12:41:07 pm
I Honestly hope Brad does not go to Moto GP next year unless its with a competitive bike. The KTM is simply not good enough at this point in time. Zarco and Hafiz must be pulling their hair out, last year they had pace and now they are simply making up the numbers at the back. It has to be demoralizing for them especially Zarco who had big pace on the Yamaha. I now its not entirely his fault as Tech 3 moved over and he followed.

As for Darren Binder, Eish man- WTF are you doing man, Go from 25th to 1st but crash's again and again. This oke makes my Blood pressure spike every MGP weekend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2019, 01:41:57 pm
I Honestly hope Brad does not go to Moto GP next year unless its with a competitive bike. The KTM is simply not good enough at this point in time. Zarco and Hafiz must be pulling their hair out, last year they had pace and now they are simply making up the numbers at the back. It has to be demoralizing for them especially Zarco who had big pace on the Yamaha. I now its not entirely his fault as Tech 3 moved over and he followed.

As for Darren Binder, Eish man- WTF are you doing man, Go from 25th to 1st but crash's again and again. This oke makes my Blood pressure spike every MGP weekend.

Agreed on Brad.  Ride out the KTM contract in Moto2 next year and then move, either to another team, or KTM if they are more competitive. 

Darryn is now, very similar to Brad's first year or two in Moto3.  He rides a bike, good for 15th into top 5 and then crashes as he is constantly over extending himself and the bike.  At least the CIPMoto team, Team Owner relises this and undertook to make sure Darryn gets a better performing bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 02, 2019, 02:21:14 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.

You're welcome.

@TheBear this the MotoGP thread, so i let the" swooping" an[sic] "auto correct" slide (Rossi style).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 02, 2019, 02:30:26 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

There you go, true to form with the dig.

Congrats sir, you are a twasshole, albeit a consistent one and that should be applauded.

Have a great day.

You're welcome.

@TheBear this the MotoGP thread, so i let the" swooping" an[sic] "auto correct" slide (Rossi style).

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on July 02, 2019, 02:40:41 pm
Those blue and orange KTMs are so pretty, it's a damn shame we don't see them at the front.

What a waste of good paint .............
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2019, 06:01:20 pm
That's why spelling (& reading) is important. Had you spelt his name correctly, as in "Syahrin", it would not autocorrect to "Sylvian".

Then again, you can't even spell "and".

Han Solo. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2019, 06:02:40 pm
Daai gevrekte Yamaha enjins sal seker nooit weer n race wen nie. :'(
Yammie het mos gewen Sondag ?

How I do not know, as the clever people said that those engines are not the right ones....... :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on July 02, 2019, 06:46:26 pm
Seems nothing wrong with Yamaha but plenty with VR46.

Maybe they started listening to MV for a change?  3 years too late though.  Imagine Zarco on VR’s Yami with MV 2-3 seasons ago already

When the man gets bigger than the bike....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2019, 07:25:17 pm
Seems nothing wrong with Yamaha but plenty with VR46.

Maybe they started listening to MV for a change?  3 years too late though.  Imagine Zarco on VR’s Yami with MV 2-3 seasons ago already

When the man gets bigger than the bike....

I have also been wondering whether Valentuin has not perhaps convinced himself that the Yammie engine cannot do it, to the point of doing nothing himself.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on July 02, 2019, 07:32:32 pm
Or maybe yamaha listening for too long to VR instead of one who is hungry and young..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2019, 07:38:21 pm
Or maybe yamaha listening for too long to VR instead of one who is hungry and young..

Who knows? It is a possibility, although that would be a terrible reflection on that team manager for not taking the lead in hand.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 02, 2019, 07:55:08 pm
Han Solo. ;)

Hey Qi'ra, stop the winking. Told you before, i'm a Leia fan now.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2019, 08:20:16 pm
Han Solo. ;)

Hey Qi'ra, stop the winking. Told you before, i'm a Leia fan now.

Princess leia was a fearless warrior indeed.

Glad you familiarised yourself with the Wars.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2019, 08:42:13 am
Daai gevrekte Yamaha enjins sal seker nooit weer n race wen nie. :'(
Yammie het mos gewen Sondag ?

How I do not know, as the clever people said that those engines are not the right ones....... :pot:

If a certain bike wins 3 out of a possible 36 races odd, there is a good chance that the engines may not be the right ones.  Just saying ....

Seems nothing wrong with Yamaha but plenty with VR46.

Maybe they started listening to MV for a change?  3 years too late though.  Imagine Zarco on VR’s Yami with MV 2-3 seasons ago already

When the man gets bigger than the bike....

All their struggles started when they listened to MV instead of VR when MV joined Yamaha. An epic fail by Lin Jarvis, but corrected over the years.  Main issue, as I see it, is not MV or VR.  Blaming VR for the issues is similar to SA rugby fans sitting on their coaches shouting: "The coach is a d@@s!" Oh wait ......

Just for reference:

World Standings for MV and VR on Yamahas:

2017:  MV 3rd, VR 5th
2018:  MV 4th, VR 3rd
2019:  MV 7th, VR 5th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 09:22:18 am
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2019, 09:35:33 am
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

Jarvis is not racing.  Fire within, or not.   >:D

As for fire and will to win in Vinales, I repeat:

2017: MV 3rd, VR 5th
2018:  MV 4th, VR 3rd
2019:  MV 7th, VR 5th.

That said, VR is getting long in the tooth and will probably retire at the end of 2020.  If he doesn't win Yamaha's next championship next year, who will?  At this point they need two things.  A way more competitive bike and a competitive rider who is also consistent.  The current crop seems to be Maverick, Quartararo and Morbidelli.  Any one of the three are great riders and I would hate to run any of them down, but can they win a world championship, even with a competitive Yamaha?  I am not sure, but I think MV has grown up nicely and may well be able to do so.  Possibly even Morbidelli, if he calms down a tad.  I like Quartararo a lot, but his M3 and M2 history does not instill confidence.  Then, perhaps one of the other VR46 Academy riders, still coming up through the ranks?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 10:27:16 am
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

Jarvis is not racing.  Fire within, or not.   >:D

As for fire and will to win in Vinales, I repeat:

2017: MV 3rd, VR 5th
2018:  MV 4th, VR 3rd
2019:  MV 7th, VR 5th.

That said, VR is getting long in the tooth and will probably retire at the end of 2020.  If he doesn't win Yamaha's next championship next year, who will?  At this point they need two things.  A way more competitive bike and a competitive rider who is also consistent.  The current crop seems to be Maverick, Quartararo and Morbidelli.  Any one of the three are great riders and I would hate to run any of them down, but can they win a world championship, even with a competitive Yamaha?  I am not sure, but I think MV has grown up nicely and may well be able to do so.  Possibly even Morbidelli, if he calms down a tad.  I like Quartararo a lot, but his M3 and M2 history does not instill confidence.  Then, perhaps one of the other VR46 Academy riders, still coming up through the ranks?

Daar is geen antwoorde huidiglik vir die MM/HRC kombinasie nie. En dink ook nie daar sal gou wees nie.
Ek onthou hoe Rossi untouchable was op die Honda.
En Biaggi was altyd 2de. En Biaggi se verweer was dat die Honda die beste bike is.
En toe kry Biaggi ook n Honda ride.
En toe wen Rossi nogsteeds. :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on July 03, 2019, 10:27:31 am
It is great to see a Yamaha win again but personaly I feel they still have a way to go with the Engine. The Assen track is a fast flowing track with only one really slow corner it suits the sweet handling Yamahas. The problem is when they come to tracks with very low speed corners were acceleration out of the corners is crucial this is were the Yamahas are still lacking and and a bit of top speed I dont see them winning to many more races this season( I maybe wrong). There riders are all good and I believe Vinales has what it takes. The next race has plenty low speed corners and a fairly long straight it would be good to see Yamahas do well there but I fear it is between Ducati and Honda.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 10:34:44 am
It is great to see a Yamaha win again but personaly I feel they still have a way to go with the Engine. The Assen track is a fast flowing track with only one really slow corner it suits the sweet handling Yamahas. The problem is when they come to tracks with very low speed corners were acceleration out of the corners is crucial this is were the Yamahas are still lacking and and a bit of top speed I dont see them winning to many more races this season( I maybe wrong). There riders are all good and I believe Vinales has what it takes. The next race has plenty low speed corners and a fairly long straight it would be good to see Yamahas do well there but I fear it is between Ducati and Honda.

True. Will it not be great to see a mix of honda, yamaha, duke, ktm and suzuki fighting in the top spots at every track.
Where the only variable is tyre wear towards the end of the race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2019, 10:43:30 am
Daar is geen antwoorde huidiglik vir die MM/HRC kombinasie nie. En dink ook nie daar sal gou wees nie.

Nie, nie eers al moer jy hom met 'n knopkierie nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2019, 11:20:34 am
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

The difference between Rossi and Jarvis is machinery.  Jarvis can still win on a slightly inferior machine, in MotoGP this is so much more difficult.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2019, 12:50:13 pm
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

The difference between Rossi and Jarvis is machinery.  Jarvis can still win on a slightly inferior machine, in MotoGP this is so much more difficult.

I think you hit the nail centre on the head there.  Apart from the difficulties brought by the modern era MotoGP machine, I don't think the 40 year old VR can push a bike as hard, even if slightly inferior, than the 20's VR could.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 03, 2019, 01:39:34 pm
All ye of lil faith. 40 year old still consistently manages to be the first Yamaha in a season.

Rossi at 40 is just as competitive as when he was 20.

Mang was 38 an champ, possibly could have won more but for injury

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 03, 2019, 01:43:56 pm
All ye of lil faith. 40 year old still consistently manages to be the first Yamaha in a season.

Rossi at 40 is just as competitive as when he was 20.

Mang was 38 an champ, possibly could have won more but for injury

Oi ye of lil read!

Quote from: TheBear twice already
Championship standings:

2017: MV 3rd, VR 5th
2018:  MV 4th, VR 3rd
2019:  MV 7th, VR 5th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 03, 2019, 01:53:25 pm
All ye of lil faith. 40 year old still consistently manages to be the first Yamaha in a season.

Rossi at 40 is just as competitive as when he was 20.

Mang was 38 an champ, possibly could have won more but for injury

Oi ye of lil read!

Quote from: TheBear twice already
Championship standings:

2017: MV 3rd, VR 5th
2018:  MV 4th, VR 3rd
2019:  MV 7th, VR 5th.

No, you only compared to his team mate.

There are other yamahas.

An last year Rossi beat a number of race winners over the season.

It’s too early to predict his demise.

The oldest ever Grand Prix winner was well into his 40s
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2019, 03:00:42 pm
Write off Valentino at your own peril.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 03:23:27 pm
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

The difference between Rossi and Jarvis is machinery.  Jarvis can still win on a slightly inferior machine, in MotoGP this is so much more difficult.

Ja.... En dit speel 2 kante toe, net so jy kan nie met `n kompeterende bike en `n lustelose ryer wen nie. Case in point mister JL.
Wat my laat saamstem met oom Bear dat VR verby sy sell by date is, die feit dat die Yamahas nie so goed perform nie is dalk `n gemaklike verskoning vir die dokter om voete te sleep. En met VR se talent is dit nie te moeilik om vir MV na n 2de rangse ryer op dieselfde bike te laat lyk nie.
VR kry sy paycheck elke maand, ongeag van sy performance. En sy endorcements is sterker as ooit, omdat hy so gewild is.

Kevin Schwantz was menigte se hero omdat hy (met die lucky strike suzuki wat berug was as n dog/underdog) baie kompeterend was.
Buitengewone talent bring jou tot by 80%, verder moet jy n WIL he om tot by 100% te kom.

Ek en Bus baklei nou saam :imaposer:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2019, 03:31:38 pm
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

The difference between Rossi and Jarvis is machinery.  Jarvis can still win on a slightly inferior machine, in MotoGP this is so much more difficult.

Ja.... En dit speel 2 kante toe, net so jy kan nie met `n kompeterende bike en `n lustelose ryer wen nie. Case in point mister JL.
Wat my laat saamstem met oom Bear dat VR verby sy sell by date is, die feit dat die Yamahas nie so goed perform nie is dalk `n gemaklike verskoning vir die dokter om voete te sleep. En met VR se talent is dit nie te moeilik om vir MV na n 2de rangse ryer op dieselfde bike te laat lyk nie.
VR kry sy paycheck elke maand, ongeag van sy performance. En sy endorcements is sterker as ooit, omdat hy so gewild is.

Kevin Schwantz was menigte se hero omdat hy (met die lucky strike suzuki wat berug was as n dog/underdog) baie kompeterend was.
Buitengewone talent bring jou tot by 80%, verder moet jy n WIL he om tot by 100% te kom.

Ek en Bus baklei nou saam :imaposer:

Jy vergeet dat MV al drie openingsrenne gewen het so 2 jaar gelede. Het hy dus saam met Rossi begin voete sleep?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 04:05:20 pm
I look at the amazing strength, stamina, endurance, experience of a "mature" Jarvis and wonder why can Jarvis be winning at his age.
And it is simple: He has a fire burning within. VR does not.

Yamaha is not now on song, but when/if they do get back, they will also need to find a rider that can win them a title.

The difference between Rossi and Jarvis is machinery.  Jarvis can still win on a slightly inferior machine, in MotoGP this is so much more difficult.

Ja.... En dit speel 2 kante toe, net so jy kan nie met `n kompeterende bike en `n lustelose ryer wen nie. Case in point mister JL.
Wat my laat saamstem met oom Bear dat VR verby sy sell by date is, die feit dat die Yamahas nie so goed perform nie is dalk `n gemaklike verskoning vir die dokter om voete te sleep. En met VR se talent is dit nie te moeilik om vir MV na n 2de rangse ryer op dieselfde bike te laat lyk nie.
VR kry sy paycheck elke maand, ongeag van sy performance. En sy endorcements is sterker as ooit, omdat hy so gewild is.

Kevin Schwantz was menigte se hero omdat hy (met die lucky strike suzuki wat berug was as n dog/underdog) baie kompeterend was.
Buitengewone talent bring jou tot by 80%, verder moet jy n WIL he om tot by 100% te kom.

Ek en Bus baklei nou saam :imaposer:

Jy vergeet dat MV al drie openingsrenne gewen het so 2 jaar gelede. Het hy dus saam met Rossi begin voete sleep?

Dink jy MV kan bekostig om voete te sleep? Het hy "laurels to rest on" soos sy legende van `n spanmaat?

Hei!
Jy mag nie statistieke gebruik om jou punte te staaf nie, dus soos die ouens wat Sondag met sy Bybel onder die arm kerk toe gaan, met `n dik babelas... :peepwall:
Net ek mag dit doen...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2019, 05:59:41 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Kom drink n slag koffie, sodat ek die Yamaha breinspoeling kan opskerp.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 03, 2019, 08:27:23 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4:

Kom drink n slag koffie, sodat ek die Yamaha breinspoeling kan opskerp.

Breinspoel? Ek dink indroktinasie is die regte woord. :laughing4:
Een van die dae kom drink ek koffie ou perd, ek kry so bietjie swaar nou, die bike staan maar eers. Wou al daai Husky verkoop maar altie byt vas.
Dus nogals snaaks hoe Honda die scene kan oorheers by tye.
Ek dink bv aan Doohan, Stoner en nou MM.
Stoner sage was die ergste, het elke qualifier/pole gewen, en elke amper elke race voor gebly en met 5 sekondes gewen.
Passion killier....

Maar die bordjies en tye verander. Ek kyk ook hoe Honda, onder die "wrists" van Mcguiness absoluut oorheers het by IOM TT.
En toe, in 2017 met n nuwe Fireblade SP (wat randomly uit gear spring), meteens, Val McG by die Northwest 200, en later val Guy Martin ook by die TT.
McGuiness het nooit terug gekom na sy val/beserings nie, en Guy Martin het uitgetree uit racing. Nou behoort IOM TT nie meer aan Honda nie.
Die aarde roteer op sy as, en die mensdom, in sy nederige glorie, balanseer in sy wyk.

Hou die hoop my bra, Yamaha sal weer tot bo klim.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2019, 09:30:30 pm
:laughing4: :laughing4:

Kom drink n slag koffie, sodat ek die Yamaha breinspoeling kan opskerp.

Breinspoel? Ek dink indroktinasie is die regte woord. :laughing4:
Een van die dae kom drink ek koffie ou perd, ek kry so bietjie swaar nou, die bike staan maar eers. Wou al daai Husky verkoop maar altie byt vas.
Dus nogals snaaks hoe Honda die scene kan oorheers by tye.
Ek dink bv aan Doohan, Stoner en nou MM.
Stoner sage was die ergste, het elke qualifier/pole gewen, en elke amper elke race voor gebly en met 5 sekondes gewen.
Passion killier....

Maar die bordjies en tye verander. Ek kyk ook hoe Honda, onder die "wrists" van Mcguiness absoluut oorheers het by IOM TT.
En toe, in 2017 met n nuwe Fireblade SP (wat randomly uit gear spring), meteens, Val McG by die Northwest 200, en later val Guy Martin ook by die TT.
McGuiness het nooit terug gekom na sy val/beserings nie, en Guy Martin het uitgetree uit racing. Nou behoort IOM TT nie meer aan Honda nie.
Die aarde roteer op sy as, en die mensdom, in sy nederige glorie, balanseer in sy wyk.

Hou die hoop my bra, Yamaha sal weer tot bo klim.

In die einde, is dit tog maar net Yamaha en Honda. En Yamaha sal beslis weer terugkom.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 04, 2019, 08:09:06 am
Write off Valentino at your own peril.

Agreed.  What the hell did I say that Altie feels I said VR is past his sell-by date!?

Anyway.  Very interesting article written by Max Oxley under the heading: "Is Valentino Rossi slow? The numbers say no."

Basically he calculated the times, worked out averages and all sorts of math which I consistently failed at school and came up with his answer.  Interesting read, pointing to the fact that everyone is faster, instead of VR being slower.  WIth his current performance, he would have been on the podium 11 out of 17 races in 2009.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/valentino-rossi-slow-numbers-say-no-more-dutch-tt
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on July 04, 2019, 09:54:46 am
Well it seems we must not worry about Marquez falling as he has just set some kind of record for the most consistent podium finisher ever. Now it seems like it is Crash test Rossi. :pot: :
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 04, 2019, 10:24:25 am
Well it seems we must not worry about Marquez falling as he has just set some kind of record for the most consistent podium finisher ever. Now it seems like it is Crash test Rossi. :pot: :

Thanks to an ill-handling Honda. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on July 04, 2019, 10:40:51 am
3 crashes in 3 races that Honda must be good at its Job or is it Rossi. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 04, 2019, 11:04:52 am
Write off Valentino at your own peril.

Agreed.  What the hell did I say that Altie feels I said VR is past his sell-by date!?

Anyway.  Very interesting article written by Max Oxley under the heading: "Is Valentino Rossi slow? The numbers say no."

Basically he calculated the times, worked out averages and all sorts of math which I consistently failed at school and came up with his answer.  Interesting read, pointing to the fact that everyone is faster, instead of VR being slower.  WIth his current performance, he would have been on the podium 11 out of 17 races in 2009.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/opinion/motogp/valentino-rossi-slow-numbers-say-no-more-dutch-tt

I am just staying true to the real WD modus operandi, which is hastily/half read someones reply/statement, and then interpret/twist what you said in a way that suits me.
And then, the obvious reply, or sometimes you need to read between the lines: "What the hell does everyone else here know/smoke...." :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 04, 2019, 11:43:56 am
3 crashes in 3 races that Honda must be good at its Job or is it Rossi. :pot:

There is no doubt, one Honda out of the four is pretty good.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2019, 08:05:24 am
I cannot believe what I read this morning!   Some Italian dude tells the press that VR46 is not as good as his young rivals anymore, but at least he is enjoying himself coming 5th or 6th.  What does he know about racing a bike anyway? How dare he raise an opinion like that, without registering on the WD forum to check the prevalent and accurate opinions first?   He can easily register here as well.  I have checked.  The nicks, Giacomo, Agostini, Ago, etc are all available! 

 :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 05, 2019, 08:44:13 am
Ja intresante leesstof, maar vir wat dit werd is, ek weet nie of VR homself nog regtig baie geniet nie.
Ek dink hy is ook maar onder stres (van buite) om  in motogp te bly solank hy kan, omdat hy so groot karakter is.
Groot name bring groot kykgetalle, sponsors, geld ens ens...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 05, 2019, 08:44:47 am
https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/agostini-rossi-rivals-better-yamaha/4488300/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2019, 08:52:45 am
Seems "silly season" 2020 will be super silly!  Check the expiration of contracts.

Repsol Honda:
Marc Marquez (End of 2020)
Jorge Lorenzo (End of 2020)

Monster Yamaha:
Maverick Vinales (End of 2020)
Valentino Rossi (End of 2020)

Ducati Team:
Andrea Dovizioso (End of 2020)
Danilo Petrucci (End of 2020)

Suzuki:
Alex Rins (End of 2020)
Joan Mir (End of 2020)

Red Bull KTM:
Johann Zarco (End of 2020)
Pol Espargaro (End of 2020)


Aprilia Gresini:
Aleix Espargaro (End of 2020)
Andrea Iannone (End of 2020)

Tech3 KTM:
Miguel Oliveira (KTM contract, end of 2020)
Hafizh Syahrin (End of 2019)  <---- rumour have it that Brad will take his place start 2020.

LCR Honda:
Cal Crutchlow (HRC contract, end of 2020)
Takaaki Nakagami (HRC contract, end of 2019)  <----- No rumours yet.

Pramac Ducati:
Francesco Bagnaia (Ducati contract, end of 2020)
Jack Miller (Ducati contract, end of 2019) <---- Rumour is that he already signed for 2020 and 2021.

Avintia Racing
Karel Abraham (End of 2020)
Tito Rabat (End of 2019)  <----- No whispers.

Petronas Yamaha Sepang Team:
Franco Morbidelli (End of 2020)
Fabio Quartararo (End of 2020)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2019, 08:55:56 am
German GP from Sachsenring and there is an interesting schedule change on the cards.

Instead of the normal 10:45 start with Moto3, it will be:

10:00:  MotoE
11:00:  Moto3
12:20:  Moto2
14:00:  MotoGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 05, 2019, 09:10:42 am
German GP from Sachsenring and there is an interesting schedule change on the cards.

Instead of the normal 10:45 start with Moto3, it will be:

10:00:  MotoE
11:00:  Moto3
12:20:  Moto2
14:00:  MotoGP

As daar eendag net motoE oor is, sal ons seker racetracks binne in die dorpe/stede he.... :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2019, 09:38:31 am
German GP from Sachsenring and there is an interesting schedule change on the cards.

Instead of the normal 10:45 start with Moto3, it will be:

10:00:  MotoE
11:00:  Moto3
12:20:  Moto2
14:00:  MotoGP

As daar eendag net motoE oor is, sal ons seker racetracks binne in die dorpe/stede he.... :laughing4:

Jis, ek weet nie.  Die goed raas 'n raas wat bitter irriterend kan raak.

EK kan al sien hoe vertel Danie ons Bosch is k@k, Panasonic is beter.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 05, 2019, 09:49:42 am
German GP from Sachsenring and there is an interesting schedule change on the cards.

Instead of the normal 10:45 start with Moto3, it will be:

10:00:  MotoE
11:00:  Moto3
12:20:  Moto2
14:00:  MotoGP

As daar eendag net motoE oor is, sal ons seker racetracks binne in die dorpe/stede he.... :laughing4:

Jis, ek weet nie.  Die goed raas 'n raas wat bitter irriterend kan raak.

EK kan al sien hoe vertel Danie ons Bosch is k@k, Panasonic is beter.   :lol8:

Net as Bosch deur Motorrad oorgevat word, en Panasonic deur Yamaha..... :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 05, 2019, 10:44:35 am
Wel, Yamaha maak musiek instrumente, en ook elektroniese weergawes daarvan. As hulle elektriese motorfietse maak sal dit ook goed wees.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 05, 2019, 10:58:22 am
Wel, Yamaha maak musiek instrumente, en ook elektroniese weergawes daarvan. As hulle elektriese motorfietse maak sal dit ook goed wees.  :thumleft:

Wat hopelik mooi klink... :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on July 05, 2019, 11:00:12 am
German GP from Sachsenring and there is an interesting schedule change on the cards.

Instead of the normal 10:45 start with Moto3, it will be:

10:00:  MotoE
11:00:  Moto3
12:20:  Moto2
14:00:  MotoGP

As daar eendag net motoE oor is, sal ons seker racetracks binne in die dorpe/stede he.... :laughing4:

Jis, ek weet nie.  Die goed raas 'n raas wat bitter irriterend kan raak.

EK kan al sien hoe vertel Danie ons Bosch is k@k, Panasonic is beter.   :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: ................. you win the internet today  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 05, 2019, 11:56:55 am
So, some Moto GP FP1 action from Germany.  Yamies seems on song.  Lets hope it stays this way for the weekend.

1:  Quarta
2:  MM93
3:  VR46
4:  Rins
5:  MV12
6:  Dovi
7:  Jackass
8:  Iannone
9:  Taka
10.  Crutchlow

Darryn and Brad are both 15th, with Steven 20th.

MotoE FP1 now on.

Best Moto3 lap:  1'26.591 top speed 211,1.
Best MotoE lap so far:  1'28.751 top speed 226,3.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 05, 2019, 05:08:51 pm
Wel, Yamaha maak musiek instrumente, en ook elektroniese weergawes daarvan. As hulle elektriese motorfietse maak sal dit ook goed wees.  :thumleft:

Dankie OomD. :thumleft: :thumleft:

Dink aan n R1 wat klink soos "Stairway to heaven". :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Oshkosh on July 07, 2019, 03:49:14 pm
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on July 07, 2019, 06:01:44 pm
I have no idea but it does seem odd when GP racing is/should be about making the best race combination. Engine, frame and rider.

The Bear will know ....................  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 07, 2019, 07:47:13 pm
Well brad certainly put that KTM to good use today, bloody brilliant race. Thoroughly enjoyed it. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 07, 2019, 08:43:45 pm
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:

I believe it to be a cost-cutting measure, while retaining an equivalent for the old 125, 250, and 500cc classes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:17:51 am
Ugh!  If Moto 2 didn't save the day, it would have been a Sunday afternoon nap race.   They may as well give MM the rest of the year's trophies, cancel the racing and give the others time to clone MM for a rider and redevelop their bikes.


Wel, Yamaha maak musiek instrumente, en ook elektroniese weergawes daarvan. As hulle elektriese motorfietse maak sal dit ook goed wees.  :thumleft:

Dankie OomD. :thumleft: :thumleft:

Dink aan n R1 wat klink soos "Stairway to heaven". :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Stairway to Heaven?  Is dit dan nou die trappies in Bavaria BMW in?   :peepwall: :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 08, 2019, 08:20:32 am
Oom Bear, hoe het Yamaha se nr 2 MotoGP man gevaar gister, VR?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:26:02 am
Oom Bear, hoe het Yamaha se nr 2 MotoGP man gevaar gister, VR?

Ek wil verkieslik nie daaroor praat nie!  Maar, jy vra so mooi en gaaf, so hy was 8ste.  ()*^)&^*^&%^!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan is daai klein donner, Quartararo van my kerskaartjielysie af na wat hy aan my Superbru gedoen het. 



Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:34:34 am
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:

Not a guru, but will take a stab.

When the time came for the 250cc two-smokes to go four stroke they had decided to go for a 600 4-cyl, 4 stroke.  It was initially thought to leave it open to all manufacturers, but then the noticed that very few manufacturers were actually interested.  At that time, it was basically only Honda and Aprilia participating in the 250cc class (just as we only see Hondas and KTM in Moto3 now) and it seemed that only Honda would be interested in doing a 600cc 4-stroke.  They came up with the idea of a single engine manufacturer and Honda won that bid.  The idea was to bring full grids by reducing costs and providing close racing.  It turned out to be a hit.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: stcomza on July 08, 2019, 09:18:47 am
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:

Not a guru, but will take a stab.

When the time came for the 250cc two-smokes to go four stroke they had decided to go for a 600 4-cyl, 4 stroke.  It was initially thought to leave it open to all manufacturers, but then the noticed that very few manufacturers were actually interested.  At that time, it was basically only Honda and Aprilia participating in the 250cc class (just as we only see Hondas and KTM in Moto3 now) and it seemed that only Honda would be interested in doing a 600cc 4-stroke.  They came up with the idea of a single engine manufacturer and Honda won that bid.  The idea was to bring full grids by reducing costs and providing close racing.  It turned out to be a hit.

Honda was 2010-2018 if I recall, from 2019 onward it is the Triumph 3 Cyl engine...and WHAT a sound it doesn't make  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 08, 2019, 09:37:33 am
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:

Not a guru, but will take a stab.

When the time came for the 250cc two-smokes to go four stroke they had decided to go for a 600 4-cyl, 4 stroke.  It was initially thought to leave it open to all manufacturers, but then the noticed that very few manufacturers were actually interested.  At that time, it was basically only Honda and Aprilia participating in the 250cc class (just as we only see Hondas and KTM in Moto3 now) and it seemed that only Honda would be interested in doing a 600cc 4-stroke.  They came up with the idea of a single engine manufacturer and Honda won that bid.  The idea was to bring full grids by reducing costs and providing close racing.  It turned out to be a hit.

Honda was 2010-2018 if I recall, from 2019 onward it is the Triumph 3 Cyl engine...and WHAT a sound it doesn't make  >:D
Yup, and no longer 600cc, but 765cc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 08, 2019, 09:49:29 am
Can any of you racing Gurus please explain why Moto2 is the only sector to run a specific Motor Manufacture & the others Moto's not??  :eek7:

Not a guru, but will take a stab.

When the time came for the 250cc two-smokes to go four stroke they had decided to go for a 600 4-cyl, 4 stroke.  It was initially thought to leave it open to all manufacturers, but then the noticed that very few manufacturers were actually interested.  At that time, it was basically only Honda and Aprilia participating in the 250cc class (just as we only see Hondas and KTM in Moto3 now) and it seemed that only Honda would be interested in doing a 600cc 4-stroke.  They came up with the idea of a single engine manufacturer and Honda won that bid.  The idea was to bring full grids by reducing costs and providing close racing.  It turned out to be a hit.

Honda was 2010-2018 if I recall, from 2019 onward it is the Triumph 3 Cyl engine...and WHAT a sound it doesn't make  >:D
Yup, and no longer 600cc, but 765cc.

 :thumleft:

About 2 years ago, Honda indicated that they would not bid for a renewal of the contract that would expire end 2017.  A bidding process foloowed which Triumph with their triple 765cc engine won.  It is not just an engine supply contract.  They also maintain and tune all the engine and supply them on a lease basis to the teams.  You blow an engine, you whistle loudly and the Triumph guys at the track come running with a new engine.  It is a huge contract and I think Triumph did well to win this contract.

It seems it is this engine change that caught KTM napping.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 08, 2019, 02:49:36 pm
Ugh!  If Moto 2 didn't save the day, it would have been a Sunday afternoon nap race.   They may as well give MM the rest of the year's trophies, cancel the racing and give the others time to clone MM for a rider and redevelop their bikes.


Wel, Yamaha maak musiek instrumente, en ook elektroniese weergawes daarvan. As hulle elektriese motorfietse maak sal dit ook goed wees.  :thumleft:

Dankie OomD. :thumleft: :thumleft:

Dink aan n R1 wat klink soos "Stairway to heaven". :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Stairway to Heaven?  Is dit dan nou die trappies in Bavaria BMW in?   :peepwall: :snorting:

Vir baie blinde, onkundige terugkerende "motorfiets entoesiaste" , op ouderdom 50+, is dit inderdaad. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 09, 2019, 03:04:32 pm
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 09, 2019, 03:08:11 pm
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

It just struck me that if us Yamaha guys feel sad, the KTM crowd must be on the verge of suicide.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 09, 2019, 03:12:17 pm
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

It just struck me that if us Yamaha guys feel sad, the KTM crowd must be on the verge of suicide.

They are, but then, they have only a minute amount of experience compared to Yamaha.  They are truly struggling though.  Personally, I think they took to large a bite when they introduced a satellite team in MotoGP and a satellite and customer team in Moto2.

I read they even had a full Board Meeting to discuss the lack of performance, especially from the Moto2 bike. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on July 10, 2019, 10:27:26 am
Yep Zarco would have been better off staying on a Yamaha
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 10, 2019, 10:46:54 am
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

It just struck me that if us Yamaha guys feel sad, the KTM crowd must be on the verge of suicide.

They are, but then, they have only a minute amount of experience compared to Yamaha.  They are truly struggling though.  Personally, I think they took to large a bite when they introduced a satellite team in MotoGP and a satellite and customer team in Moto2.

I read they even had a full Board Meeting to discuss the lack of performance, especially from the Moto2 bike.

Yamaha also has tons more experience in MX, rallying, enduro than KTM, this does not stop KTM from winning most of these events.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on July 10, 2019, 11:11:09 am
And Suzuki after many years of not competition are showing some reasonable results  :ricky:  time for Kawa to come back and try. Probably not in my lifetime though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2019, 11:29:31 am
Yep Zarco would have been better off staying on a Yamaha

He would have, but he had no choice to stay with Yamaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on July 10, 2019, 01:23:44 pm
Yep Zarco would have been better off staying on a Yamaha

He would have, but he had no choice to stay with Yamaha.

Really?? Didn't they offer him a contract?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: teebag on July 10, 2019, 02:03:21 pm
BRAD BINDER MAKES THE STEP TO MOTOGP WITH RED BULL KTM TECH3 IN 2020
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2019, 02:06:27 pm
BRAD BINDER MAKES THE STEP TO MOTOGP WITH RED BULL KTM TECH3 IN 2020

Was this confirmed?

[EDIT]  It was.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/07/10/binder-confirmed-to-make-2020-motogp-move/301096




Yep Zarco would have been better off staying on a Yamaha

He would have, but he had no choice to stay with Yamaha.

Really?? Didn't they offer him a contract?

Not that I am aware.  Zarco was contracted to the Tech 3 team, not by Yamaha.  When the Tech 3 team moved over to KTM so did Zarco where all sorts of dealing had him in the factory team in exchange for factory bikes for Tech 3.  At that time, it wasn't sure that Yamaha would even field a satellite team and once it was announced, the new Petronas SIC Yamaha team contracted their own riders.  If Lin Jarvis had a say and he knew the future he would have offered Zarco a factory Yamaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on July 10, 2019, 02:10:42 pm
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

Interesting rumour but why would he want to do this at this point.  The Moto2 bike is improving and could maybe give him the title next year (very difficult to make up the points gap this season) and the MotoGP bike is clearly not good enough yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 10, 2019, 02:22:38 pm
Rumour that Brad Binder will move to Tech3 KTM in MotoGP next year is becoming stronger and stronger.  It first surfaced in a German sport magazine, known for sniffing out sorts of secrets and now mentioned by Crash.net.

 https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/925226/1/oliveira-tech3-sad-best-season-slips-away

Interesting rumour but why would he want to do this at this point.  The Moto2 bike is improving and could maybe give him the title next year (very difficult to make up the points gap this season) and the MotoGP bike is clearly not good enough yet.

Not a rumour anymore.  Confirmed.  Brad will ride a Tech3 KTM in MotoGP from next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on July 10, 2019, 02:35:45 pm
And Zarco out ? Where to for him now ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on July 10, 2019, 02:46:25 pm
I think Brad is taking the fish's seat

I also don't think it's great for Binder, in Moto 2 he's a contender on a Tech3 KTM he'll just make up the numbers. Hopefully more money for him....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on July 10, 2019, 02:53:26 pm
And Zarco out ? Where to for him now ?

Zarco in a different team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on July 10, 2019, 03:22:25 pm
Already looking forward to next season then.  Maybe Darren Binder can get his Moto2 ride?

From http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2019/07/10/binder-confirmed-to-make-2020-motogp-move/301096

Binder confirmed to make 2020 MotoGP™ move

Current Red Bull KTM Ajo Moto2™ star will join Red Bull KTM Tech 3 next season in the premier class

It has been confirmed today that current Red Bull KTM Ajo Moto2™ star Brad Binder will make the step up to MotoGP™ for the 2020 season with Red Bull KTM Tech 3.

The South African made his Grand Prix debut in 2011, completing five races in the 125cc class while competing in the Red Bull MotoGP Rookie Cup before a full-time Moto3™ ride was his in 2012. Between 2012 and 2015, Binder achieved six podiums before a stellar 2016 Moto3™ campaign with Red Bull KTM Ajo followed. The Number 41 rider won seven races and finished off the podium just four times on his way to claiming the 2016 Moto3™ World Championship.

A move to Red Bull KTM Ajo would see both himself and the team take part in their rookie intermediate class campaign, with Binder finishing the year with three back-to-back podiums in Australia, Malaysia and Valencia. The 2018 German GP saw Binder claim his first Moto2™ victory, with wins following in Aragon and Australia that season as he went on to finish third in the overall standings. This season, the KTM Triumph Moto2™ bike has had its struggles, but two back-to-back podiums now stand Binder and KTM in good stead for the rest of 2019.

And now, ahead of the three-week summer break, it is announced that Binder will be moving up to the MotoGP™ class in 2020, joining the Red Bull KTM Tech 3 ranks. This feat sees Binder is set to become the first South African to compete in the premier class since 2000, and also sees him join Miguel Oliveira (Red Bull KTM Tech 3), Johann Zarco (Red Bull KTM Factory Racing) and Joan Mir (Team Suzuki Ecstar) in completing the path from Red Bull Rookies to MotoGP™.

Brad Binder: “Looking forward, it’s an incredible feeling, a crazy feeling to think that I’ll be racing in MotoGP next year. I just have to say a huge thank you to KTM for putting their trust in me and taking me through to the premier class and yeah, I’m really excited to get started next year and see how things go next year. Next year I think my main goal will be to learn as quickly as possible and learn from the much more experienced guys on the KTMs. I obviously want to go there and do well straight away but in MotoGP, everything is extremely hard and super tight so you know, I’m sure it’ll take time to find my feet in MotoGP but I’m confident we can do a good job there.”

Pit Beirer, KTM Motorsport Director: “To be able to sign Brad Binder for our MotoGP project is an exciting moment because he has been with us for five years already and is one of our world champions. We have a strong story and connection and we’re really happy that it continues. It is clear we all have a big challenge in front of us and we also feel responsible for him to be able to maintain this good path we have together. We also like the fact that Brad has this distinctive riding style that allows him to push a bike and project to the maximum. We feel that he ‘fits’ to us, and we cannot wait to see how he handles and attacks a MotoGP bike. I’m sure he can add some extra and special things because he has done that with every motorcycle he has raced so far and it will be a highlight not only for us but for all MotoGP fans.”

Herve Poncharal, Red Bull KTM Tech3 Team Manager: “We are only halfway through our first racing season in MotoGP with KTM, but already we have some incredible, exciting news coming with the signing of Brad Binder for the 2020 MotoGP season. Brad is somebody I have been following since he joined the championship in the Red Bull MotoGP Rookies Cup and later in the Moto3. I have always been amazed by his talent, his aggressivity and his never-give-up-attitude and when you run a motorcycle race team, this is the profile of rider you wish and you love to have. I think to have the Miguel Oliveira - Brad Binder line-up reunited with us next year, is something that shows the Red Bull KTM organization and path is working. I think Brad Binder more than deserves a MotoGP ride next year after what he has been showing in the Moto2 the past two seasons. I know KTM and I can witness KTM is working incredibly hard to improve the MotoGP bike and I’m quite sure that Brad with the winter test will be very happy and very fast from round one on that bike. It’s going to be a strong team, as I think there will be a great relationship between him and Miguel, his teammate and I honestly believe, I couldn’t dream for a better structure. Miguel and Brad know each other, they are both incredible competitors and when you are a team owner, this is all you wish for. So, together with Red Bull, KTM and Tech3 there was never any doubt that this is the line-up we wanted to have and I would like to thank Pit Beirer for his investment, I would like to thank Niki Ruhstorfer for his support. I would also like to thank Bob Moore, Brad’s personal manager, because I think the four of us, we managed to make that happen and this is a great news for MotoGP racing and a great news for the Red Bull KTM Tech3 team. I would like to say a huge warm welcome to Brad and tell him we are going to follow him even closer during the second part of the Moto2 season. I’m sure he’s going to win some races, why not fight for the title and we are ready to welcome him from the Valencia test.”
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on July 10, 2019, 03:36:15 pm
It doesn't matter where he races in MotoGP - There's a South African in the top flight AND he doesn't have a squeaky voice!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on July 10, 2019, 03:58:57 pm
It doesn't matter where he races in MotoGP - There's a South African in the top flight AND he doesn't have a squeaky voice!!!

Absolutely fucking brilliant  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 10, 2019, 04:28:34 pm
awesome.
if BB is good enough to improve and help develop a ktm in moto2, he can do it in motogp too.
and I am sure he is not digging for gold, he really has a figting spirit.
good move for him, good for ktm.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 10, 2019, 06:02:29 pm
Well done Brad, and well deserved too! I know who I'll be shouting for.  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on July 10, 2019, 08:40:03 pm
It doesn't matter where he races in MotoGP - There's a South African in the top flight AND he doesn't have a squeaky voice!!!
I might even root for orange now
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on July 11, 2019, 07:39:30 am
I wonder what race number he will choose
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on July 11, 2019, 08:00:54 am
I wonder what race number he will choose

He should choose 46, it used to be a real winning no. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 11, 2019, 08:01:36 am
I wonder what race number he will choose
Why, can't he keep his current one?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on July 11, 2019, 08:05:10 am
Great for BB - he's got the class to further develop the RC 16 and himself to be force to be reckoned with
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 11, 2019, 08:22:03 am
Another nice rumour is that there are at least three Moto2 teams making offers to Darryn Binder.  I will hold thumbs he gets a competitive Moto2 ride for next year.


And Zarco out ? Where to for him now ?

Zarco is still in.  He is in the Red Bull Factory KTM team.  Brad will take Sayarin's place in the Tech3 KTM team.  Next year the two KTM teams will be:

Red Bull KTM:  Zarco and EspargaroP
Tech3 KTM: The old company, joining forces for the third time, Binder and Oliviera.

I wonder what race number he will choose
Why, can't he keep his current one?

Aleix Espargaro is already there with #41.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Willem-Ben on July 11, 2019, 12:05:25 pm
Jip Awesome,

I think he must have been approached by somebody else seen that he is winning from the back of the pack like Mr #46 use too.
Probably forced their hand but now our family will be even more split picking  riders at the beginning of the season.
VERY GLAD FOR BRAD.

mmm sound nice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2019, 08:17:03 pm
I wonder what race number he will choose

He should choose 46, it used to be a real winning no. :pot:

After Vale, no one will ever race with that number again. It is that special.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on July 12, 2019, 08:05:38 am
He should keep the same numbers, just turn them around into a 14  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2019, 08:13:45 am
I wonder what race number he will choose

He should choose 46, it used to be a real winning no. :pot:

After Vale, no one will ever race with that number again. It is that special.

I reckon you are correct, but the interesting thing is that VR46 already indicated that he will not request the number to be retired when he stops racing, which means the number will be available to any rider who wants it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 12, 2019, 02:50:55 pm
Many, including myself had hoped or would have preferred that Brad Binder stayed in Moto 2 for another year.  I have been thinking about that and realised that there are precious few seats available in MotoGP and these seats will remain hard to come by for years to come.  Perhaps, having a seat on a bike and in a team that we know are in it to win it, even though they are struggling at present, is more positive than negative.

Seats available:

Yamaha Factory (2)
Yamaha Satellite (2)
Honda Factory (2)
Honda Satellite (2)
Ducati Factory (2)
Ducati Satellite (2)
Ducati Customer (2)
Aprilia Factory (2)
Suzuki Factory (2)
KTM Factory (2)
KTM Satellite (2)

Total seats is 22.  In time, Suzuki and Aprilia should each ad 2 seats via satellite teams, but the Ducati Customer team will disappear or become either the Suzuki, or Aprilia satellite team.  That means a maximum of 24 seats available.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 12, 2019, 03:19:06 pm
@TheBear gonna stick my neck out & predict BiB to win a MotoGP championship.

We have to believe that!

Absolutely the right move - within a system he understands & has served him well. Except for rookie years, he only struggled when either him or the bike was 'broken'.

With Hervé Poncharal, Dani & Brad on board, the project is moving into high gear. KTM setting sales records + Red Bull money, i would say they're there to win it.

Further, many seats becoming available in 2020.

In that exclusive club, 'getting a foot in the door', definitely applies.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 12, 2019, 06:32:40 pm
@TheBear gonna stick my neck out & predict BiB to win a MotoGP championship.

We have to believe that!

Absolutely the right move - within a system he understands & has served him well. Except for rookie years, he only struggled when either him or the bike was 'broken'.

With Hervé Poncharal, Dani & Brad on board, the project is moving into high gear. KTM setting sales records + Red Bull money, i would say they're there to win it.

Further, many seats becoming available in 2020.

In that exclusive club, 'getting a foot in the door', definitely applies.

Hopeully not getting a foot slammed in the door. :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on July 13, 2019, 12:21:35 pm
When was the last time we had a SA rider in the top motogp echelon?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on July 13, 2019, 12:56:16 pm
When was the last time we had a SA rider in the top motogp echelon?
Early 80's if I recall, Kork Bellington. But I was young back then, my memory may not be serving me well here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 13, 2019, 02:38:50 pm
When was the last time we had a SA rider in the top motogp echelon?

Never.

I remember Dave Peterson struggling along in GP500 in the 80's.

Kork rode 250's50's, and the 500KR was a no-show, mostly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 13, 2019, 03:26:04 pm
OomD is (more or less) correct.

Kork Ballington raced 3 seasons ('80-82) in the premier class, finishing 12, 8, & 9th in the standings.

Dave Peterson raced 500's '84-86 but he was Rhodesian.

Brett Hudson technically the last in 1984, he finished 28th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on July 14, 2019, 09:08:45 am
Kork was born in Zim?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on July 14, 2019, 10:45:36 am
Kork was born in Zim?

Yes but raced under SA flag.

Rhodesia produced great motorcycle racers - think Jim Redman, 6x world champion (250/350cc).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 14, 2019, 01:49:49 pm
Kork was born in Zim?

Yes but raced under SA flag.

Rhodesia produced great motorcycle racers - think Jim Redman, 6x world champion (250/350cc).

Yip, it was a great country.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 14, 2019, 01:50:59 pm
When was the last time we had a SA rider in the top motogp echelon?

Never in the top of the 500/MotoGP class, although a few did ride in that class.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 15, 2019, 08:07:29 am
When was the last time we had a SA rider in the top motogp echelon?

Never in the top of the 500/MotoGP class, although a few did ride in that class.

Wat van Vaaltyn Rosie?   >:D



@TheBear gonna stick my neck out & predict BiB to win a MotoGP championship.

We have to believe that!

Absolutely the right move - within a system he understands & has served him well. Except for rookie years, he only struggled when either him or the bike was 'broken'.

With Hervé Poncharal, Dani & Brad on board, the project is moving into high gear. KTM setting sales records + Red Bull money, i would say they're there to win it.

Further, many seats becoming available in 2020.

In that exclusive club, 'getting a foot in the door', definitely applies.

I, like you believe he will win a championship.  He is good enough.  In any event, he saves my life as I didn't know what I would do with MotoGP once VR retired.  Now I have BB to ensure the proper need for blood pressure medication!   :thumleft:

It will be very interesting to see how this project pans out, especially since KTM operates as a 4 bike team instead of a factory team and a satellite team. They will go places and it will be awesome  to see them do it with the young riders (Brad and Miguel) they raised by hand, both coming on KTM from Rookies Cup.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on July 15, 2019, 09:13:33 am
Speaking of Dave Petersen what happened to Richard Knowles from the Dick and Dave show, still in the motorcycle industry ? I never missed Twist Grip and the motorcycle show on DSTV back in the day.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 18, 2019, 08:24:46 am
So, Ducati "bosses" and Honda at it again.  This time, I made sure I got the link.   ;)

https://www.crash.net/motogp/gossip/925662/1/motogp-gossip-ducati-honda-team-bosses-spark-controversy
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Amsterdam on July 26, 2019, 02:23:16 pm
I don't know how long after the actual event these races are shown but this means I am about to ditch DSTV.  If this is screen live then this is a cheap and good option to watch the MotoGP.  As it is, I often end up watching it recorded anyway.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on July 26, 2019, 07:06:54 pm
I don't know how long after the actual event these races are shown but this means I am about to ditch DSTV.  If this is screen live then this is a cheap and good option to watch the MotoGP.  As it is, I often end up watching it recorded anyway.
Oh yes!

Off topic but they will show the rugby live tomorrow morning!

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 29, 2019, 10:27:50 am
I don't know how long after the actual event these races are shown but this means I am about to ditch DSTV.  If this is screen live then this is a cheap and good option to watch the MotoGP.  As it is, I often end up watching it recorded anyway.

If I look at those times and they are local to Germany, about two hours delay.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Herklaas on July 29, 2019, 10:46:28 am
 :sip: I remember that Kork Ballington (two months younger than me) rode one of his races with a newly broken ankle ( a week or two earlier), he could not pracktice so he watched a video of the track, over and over and memorised/ played it in his mind. He won the race. Four times World Champ.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on July 29, 2019, 12:43:37 pm
:sip: I remember that Kork Ballington (two months younger than me) rode one of his races with a newly broken ankle ( a week or two earlier), he could not pracktice so he watched a video of the track, over and over and memorised/ played it in his mind. He won the race. Four times World Champ.

And inducted into the MotoGP Hall of Fame last year.

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2018/10/23/kork-ballington-becomes-a-motogp-legend/275761

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 01, 2019, 08:11:50 am
Thank goodness MotoGP summer break is over.  Brno usually delivers some awesome racing.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 01, 2019, 08:31:12 am
^ Indeed. Can't wait for qualy and racing this weekend. Coupled with some F1 action too, luckily the races don't overlap.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 01, 2019, 09:36:17 am
Interesting tidbit.  Tito Rabat has re-signed with Avintia Ducati.  The team reckons they will have full factory bikes next year, with a team of factory techs full time.  We are seeing a miracle occur, or they have managed to secure a MASSIVE sponsorship.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 05:38:54 pm
Interesting tidbit.  Tito Rabat has re-signed with Avintia Ducati.  The team reckons they will have full factory bikes next year, with a team of factory techs full time.  We are seeing a miracle occur, or they have managed to secure a MASSIVE sponsorship.

Ducati, like Yamaha, has no answer for tht one Honda.  This is their possible solution, swamp the track with factory bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: FanieKrismis on August 01, 2019, 10:01:05 pm
Interesting tidbit.  Tito Rabat has re-signed with Avintia Ducati.  The team reckons they will have full factory bikes next year, with a team of factory techs full time.  We are seeing a miracle occur, or they have managed to secure a MASSIVE sponsorship.

Ducati, like Yamaha, has no answer for tht one Honda.  This is their possible solution, swamp the track with factory bikes.

Obstacle courses only work if the target does not start before the obstacles...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 01, 2019, 10:06:09 pm
Interesting tidbit.  Tito Rabat has re-signed with Avintia Ducati.  The team reckons they will have full factory bikes next year, with a team of factory techs full time.  We are seeing a miracle occur, or they have managed to secure a MASSIVE sponsorship.

Ducati, like Yamaha, has no answer for tht one Honda.  This is their possible solution, swamp the track with factory bikes.

Obstacle courses only work if the target does not start before the obstacles...

But it will prevent MM from lapping them more than once. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 02, 2019, 08:44:21 am
Interesting tidbit.  Tito Rabat has re-signed with Avintia Ducati.  The team reckons they will have full factory bikes next year, with a team of factory techs full time.  We are seeing a miracle occur, or they have managed to secure a MASSIVE sponsorship.

Ducati, like Yamaha, has no answer for tht one Honda.  This is their possible solution, swamp the track with factory bikes.

Well, this is makes a heck of a lot of sense.  Honda was the first to dish out a factory bike and tech team to their satellite team.  They immediately had 33% more info and testing capability.  Ducati followed a year or so later with same positive effects.  Yamaha woke up 5 years later.  Ducati willing to sell factory bikes and tech teams to customer teams (not even a satellite) team is a clever move.

I believe Honda will come crashing down from their perch, because I believe where there is smoke, there is fire and it seems (according to Carl Crutchlow and even Dani), Honda is not interested in any inputs from any riders, except MM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 02, 2019, 09:18:47 am
FP1 to start shortly  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 02, 2019, 11:34:31 am
FP1 to start shortly  :biggrin:

Done.

Darryn: 10th fastest
Brad: 2nd fastest on the bran new KTM that he has never ridden before.  I sincerely hope he stays in the top.
Steven:  18th.


MotoGP some strange positions.  Dovi, MM, Maverick to three, but both satellite KTM's in top 10!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 02, 2019, 11:40:09 am
And Zarco on the factory KTM stone last ☹
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 02, 2019, 11:42:21 am
And Zarco on the factory KTM stone last ☹

Janee.  Three KTM's in top 11 and Zarco last.  The poor oke is really struggling.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: BullSmit on August 02, 2019, 02:57:53 pm
FP1 to start shortly  :biggrin:

Done.

Darryn: 10th fastest
Brad: 2nd fastest on the bran new KTM that he has never ridden before.  I sincerely hope he stays in the top.
Steven:  18th.


MotoGP some strange positions.  Dovi, MM, Maverick to three, but both satellite KTM's in top 10!


I take my hat off to Steven Odendaal just for being there and being relatively competitive....

In Sheridan Morias' interviews he said that it is REALLY not a glamorous life racing for a smaller team... 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Brink on August 03, 2019, 02:57:40 pm
Marc Marques in a different class altogether :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 04, 2019, 05:16:27 pm
That was the most exciting race i've never seen ............................. what a waste of a Sunday ...........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on August 04, 2019, 05:23:31 pm
That was the most exciting race i've never seen ............................. what a waste of a Sunday ...........

That sums it up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 04, 2019, 05:31:20 pm
Marques only did this well because those Yamahas are pushing him so hard.  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2019, 08:10:30 am
That was the most exciting race i've never seen ............................. what a waste of a Sunday ...........

Janee.  Perfect race summary.   :-\

FP1 to start shortly  :biggrin:

Done.

Darryn: 10th fastest
Brad: 2nd fastest on the bran new KTM that he has never ridden before.  I sincerely hope he stays in the top.
Steven:  18th.


MotoGP some strange positions.  Dovi, MM, Maverick to three, but both satellite KTM's in top 10!


I take my hat off to Steven Odendaal just for being there and being relatively competitive....

In Sheridan Morias' interviews he said that it is REALLY not a glamorous life racing for a smaller team...

Agreed.  It is not an easy life.

Did you see Steven's save this past weekend.  Regarded as one of the two best ever and right up there with Randy Mamola's from a few decades ago.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: BullSmit on August 05, 2019, 08:23:26 am
Amazing!!!!

Probably wanted to minimize the damage to save cost being such a small team.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2019, 09:39:35 am
Amazing!!!!

Probably wanted to minimize the damage to save cost being such a small team.  :biggrin:

 :laughing4:

 Or, he was just to bloody much of a sissy to just fall off and get it done with!   :lol8:

Check at which point he applies the brake the first time!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Dwerg on August 05, 2019, 10:05:30 am
That was the most exciting race i've never seen ............................. what a waste of a Sunday ...........

Quality Sunday afternoon naps are usually reserved for F1 but this race put me to sleep in under 10 laps.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 05, 2019, 10:39:02 am
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 05, 2019, 12:41:56 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

F1 looks like a good option 😄
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 05, 2019, 12:53:15 pm
tell him to go race something else.

Give him a contract next year with Ducati. :deal:
It seems everyone struggles with Ducati's in the begining.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 05, 2019, 02:17:34 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

How fitting, as Honda is such a boring bike manufacturer. :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2019, 02:24:38 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

Nah!  He should be allowed to race in MotoGP, with only 2 cylinders firing on his bike.   :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 05, 2019, 03:08:18 pm
Sorry if this has been discussed , I may have missed it but who is riding for Lorenzo?

I know Lorenzo got injured but I don't see another Repsol Honda out there on the track.

If there is nobody riding in his place, wont that affect the constructor championship?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2019, 03:19:47 pm
Sorry if this has been discussed , I may have missed it but who is riding for Lorenzo?

I know Lorenzo got injured but I don't see another Repsol Honda out there on the track.

If there is nobody riding in his place, wont that affect the constructor championship?

Stefan Bradl rides in JL's place.  He finished 10th in Germany and 15th yesterday.

Constructors Championship only counts the points of the first bike over the line.   Team Championship counts the total of the two bikes in the team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 05, 2019, 03:39:18 pm
Brno testing on today.

Honda have three different bikes for MM to try.  Yamaha may have a 2020 spec bike there, but can't be confirmed.  If they do, VR was riding it most of the morning.  At 15:00 today positions were:

1. Quarto
2. MM
3. Cal
4. Mir
5. Nakagami
6 Espargaro P
7. Miller
8. Rins
9. Maverick
10. Morbidelli
11. Oliviera
12. VR
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 05, 2019, 04:50:12 pm
Sorry if this has been discussed , I may have missed it but who is riding for Lorenzo?

I know Lorenzo got injured but I don't see another Repsol Honda out there on the track.

If there is nobody riding in his place, wont that affect the constructor championship?

Stefan Bradl rides in JL's place.  He finished 10th in Germany and 15th yesterday.

Constructors Championship only counts the points of the first bike over the line.   Team Championship counts the total of the two bikes in the team.

Was he riding the factory Repsol bike?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 05, 2019, 05:06:56 pm
Sorry if this has been discussed , I may have missed it but who is riding for Lorenzo?

I know Lorenzo got injured but I don't see another Repsol Honda out there on the track.

If there is nobody riding in his place, wont that affect the constructor championship?

Stefan Bradl rides in JL's place.  He finished 10th in Germany and 15th yesterday.

Constructors Championship only counts the points of the first bike over the line.   Team Championship counts the total of the two bikes in the team.

Was he riding the factory Repsol bike?

Yip,  #6 is his race number
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 09:41:44 am
Sorry if this has been discussed , I may have missed it but who is riding for Lorenzo?

I know Lorenzo got injured but I don't see another Repsol Honda out there on the track.

If there is nobody riding in his place, wont that affect the constructor championship?

Stefan Bradl rides in JL's place.  He finished 10th in Germany and 15th yesterday.

Constructors Championship only counts the points of the first bike over the line.   Team Championship counts the total of the two bikes in the team.

Was he riding the factory Repsol bike?

Yes.  He was the official rider in place of JL.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 09:51:22 am
Brno Tests Time at the end of the day.  Does this mean anything going forward?  I hope so and we will see this coming weekend.

1. Quarta - YAMAHA
2. Maverick - YAMAHA
3. Morbidelli - YAMAHA
4. Rins - Not Yamaha
5. Crutchlow - Not Yamaha
6. VR - YAMAHA
7. Mir - Not Yamaha
8. MM - Some bike, not Yamaha
9. Bagnaia - Ducati
10. Petrux - Ducati

It seems Oliviera is starting to give notice on the Tech 3 KTM as he is pushing EspargaroP very hard these days and they were 14th and 15th respectively, with their team mates TheFish and Zarco 19th and 20th.

The factory Ducatis didn't make a showing.  Petrux best in 10th with Dovi in 12th.  Jackass on the Pramac factory spec bike only 13th.

Suzukis not bad with Rins 4th and Mir 7th.  There is a rumour going around that  the Avintia Ducati team (customer team for Ducati) will move to Suzuki next year, becoming Suzuki's satellite team.  That would be real cool, imho.

Honda seemed to struggle, or hide performance with MM only 8th, albeit he tested 3 different bikes.  Crutchlow not bad in 5th, but Nakagami on the 2018 Honda 11th.

Aprilias still struggling in 16th and 21st.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on August 06, 2019, 09:52:07 am
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

How fitting, as Honda is such a boring bike manufacturer. :pot: :pot:
The company that built the Red Rocket, XR650R, NR750 and NSR500, CB 6 cylinder and the RC166 race bike that did 22000rpm in the 60's - shame on you sir !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bullet on August 06, 2019, 10:23:48 am
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

How fitting, as Honda is such a boring bike manufacturer. :pot: :pot:
The company that built the Red Rocket, XR650R, NR750 and NSR500, CB 6 cylinder and the RC166 race bike that did 22000rpm in the 60's - shame on you sir !
Ja, Honda only became boring after the 60s and 70s.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 10:42:15 am
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

How fitting, as Honda is such a boring bike manufacturer. :pot: :pot:
The company that built the Red Rocket, XR650R, NR750 and NSR500, CB 6 cylinder and the RC166 race bike that did 22000rpm in the 60's - shame on you sir !

Now, now!  He didn't say the bikes were boring.  He said the bike manufacturer is boring.  Perhaps he prefers them topless with tassels on their nipples?   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 06, 2019, 12:17:31 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.
  :spitcoffee: certainly not, it's an age old discussion /argument. Currently yes perhaps.
Try look through the mist of grandure.
Given he is a great, not the ultimate  :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 06, 2019, 01:02:22 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

We are watching a true magician at work.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 01:04:35 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

But we want to watch racing, not a one man exhibition, therefore MM is guilty of causing severe boredom and you should be keelhauled for suggesting otherwise.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 06, 2019, 01:06:28 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

But we want to watch racing, not a one man exhibition, therefore MM is guilty of causing severe boredom and you should be keelhauled for suggesting otherwise.   :lol8:

You might not believe this but I actually have been keelhaulded  :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 06, 2019, 01:40:38 pm
What for?  ........... Saying that F1 is exciting .....................
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 01:47:39 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

But we want to watch racing, not a one man exhibition, therefore MM is guilty of causing severe boredom and you should be keelhauled for suggesting otherwise.   :lol8:

You might not believe this but I actually have been keelhaulded  :3some:

Clearly it didn't help!   :lol8:

So, at the risk of a hijack, pray .... do tell!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 06, 2019, 01:57:24 pm
The last four F1 races have been exciting now that Honda and Red Bull are finally in the mix. Marquez is an absolute Master and a joy to watch if he hangs around long enough ( and that is not very long at the rate he is going) I fear even Agostini records are going to be broken. But the actual championship and races are getting to predictable and boring. Maybe they should give him a Handicap like 3 seconds wait at the start that would be fun to watch or give him a KTM :pot:.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on August 06, 2019, 02:08:08 pm
The other riders should just step up and it's not just the bike, look whoever is his team mate is running down the order.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 02:32:52 pm
The other riders should just step up and it's not just the bike, look whoever is his team mate is running down the order.

Two MotoGP bikes from the same manufacturer and team can differ as much as a pear and a banana. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 06, 2019, 02:42:33 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

But we want to watch racing, not a one man exhibition, therefore MM is guilty of causing severe boredom and you should be keelhauled for suggesting otherwise.   :lol8:

You might not believe this but I actually have been keelhaulded  :3some:

Clearly it didn't help!   :lol8:

So, at the risk of a hijack, pray .... do tell!

It was a dare/prank which took place on New Years eve in the Caribbean, while delivering a pair of supply tugs from New Orleans to Cape Town. Needless to say we were full of rum  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 06, 2019, 02:44:56 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

You should be shot at dawn for suggesting MotoGP is becoming boring  :deal:

MM's riding style and those super slow motion shots of him, elbow down are enough for the admission alone, let alone the miraculous saves he performs.

But we want to watch racing, not a one man exhibition, therefore MM is guilty of causing severe boredom and you should be keelhauled for suggesting otherwise.   :lol8:

You might not believe this but I actually have been keelhaulded  :3some:

Clearly it didn't help!   :lol8:

So, at the risk of a hijack, pray .... do tell!

It was a dare/prank which took place on New Years eve in the Caribbean, while delivering a pair of supply tugs from New Orleans to Cape Town. Needless to say we were full of rum  :laughing4:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 08, 2019, 02:06:45 pm
Interesting rumours being churned from the WSBK and MotoGP rumour mill at present.

- WSBK Bautista from Ducati to Honda
- WSBK Redding from BSB Ducati to WSBK Ducati
- MGP Lorenzo to Pramac Ducati in Jack Miller''s place
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 03:32:48 pm
Marquez is making MotoGP boring. The world should just acknowledge he is fastest GP rider ever and tell him to go race something else.

How fitting, as Honda is such a boring bike manufacturer. :pot: :pot:
The company that built the Red Rocket, XR650R, NR750 and NSR500, CB 6 cylinder and the RC166 race bike that did 22000rpm in the 60's - shame on you sir !

Hey, Bwana is supposed to respond. :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 09, 2019, 12:14:10 pm
Interesting rumours being churned from the WSBK and MotoGP rumour mill at present.

- WSBK Bautista from Ducati to Honda
- WSBK Redding from BSB Ducati to WSBK Ducati
- MGP Lorenzo to Pramac Ducati in Jack Miller''s place

The JL99 rumour is gathering pace. Sort of makes sense why Miller is still waiting for a contract.

Now who goes to Repsol Honda? Miller or Nakagami?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 11, 2019, 02:19:09 pm
Brilliant ride by Brad! What a boytjie  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 11, 2019, 02:33:55 pm
And absolutely epic battle between Marquez and Dovizioso, brilliant pass by Dovi to secure it. Edge of the seat racing this! :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on August 11, 2019, 03:00:02 pm
And absolutely epic battle between Marquez and Dovizioso, brilliant pass by Dovi to secure it. Edge of the seat racing this! :ricky: :ricky:
Agreed! What a race!

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TeeJay on August 11, 2019, 06:03:07 pm
And absolutely epic battle between Marquez and Dovizioso, brilliant pass by Dovi to secure it. Edge of the seat racing this! :ricky: :ricky:
Agreed! What a race!

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Best race I've seen in a very long time - absolutely brilliant final lap  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 11, 2019, 10:05:21 pm
When Dovi and MM have these duals it's interesting how 04 normally ends up getting the best of it
Rewind 2017 Red bull ring.... 93 tried the same move and lost out
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on August 11, 2019, 10:43:47 pm
Imagine a competition at the end of the year where each rider goes out on their bike and with just the out lap under the belt, has one flying lap to set his time.

Then he hands the bike with successive new tires on, no settings changed, to all the other riders on the grid to set their times on. They, however, get 3 timed laps with the best one being used.

All the riders do the same with their bikes.

The cumulative times or average times are taken.

Crash and you're disqualified for the competition.

To win that would be a brag factor of note!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 12, 2019, 07:11:22 am
Imagine a competition at the end of the year where each rider goes out on their bike and with just the out lap under the belt, has one flying lap to set his time.

Then he hands the bike with successive new tires on, no settings changed, to all the other riders on the grid to set their times on. They, however, get 3 timed laps with the best one being used.

All the riders do the same with their bikes.

The cumulative times or average times are taken.

Crash and you're disqualified for the competition.

To win that would be a brag factor of note!

That will be interesting.
But, will it showcase more which bikes are easier  to ride with all the aids, rather than natural talent?
The days of raw talent and a massive will to win are being outstripped by huge money and a clinical world.
Sad, but we we still enjoy the good racing days and what it has to offer.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 08:09:28 am
Brilliant ride by Brad! What a boytjie  :ricky:

He showed the world what he can do on a competitive bike.  He engineered this win on his birthday, the first ever for KTM on their home track, the first for Red Bull on their home track and alas, the day KTM announced it will not compete in Moto2 anymore.

Interesting rumours being churned from the WSBK and MotoGP rumour mill at present.

- WSBK Bautista from Ducati to Honda
- WSBK Redding from BSB Ducati to WSBK Ducati
- MGP Lorenzo to Pramac Ducati in Jack Miller''s place

The JL99 rumour is gathering pace. Sort of makes sense why Miller is still waiting for a contract.

Now who goes to Repsol Honda? Miller or Nakagami?

It seems the rumours died a quick death as so often happens.  We wait and see.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on August 12, 2019, 08:19:40 am
Imagine a competition at the end of the year where each rider goes out on their bike and with just the out lap under the belt, has one flying lap to set his time.

Then he hands the bike with successive new tires on, no settings changed, to all the other riders on the grid to set their times on. They, however, get 3 timed laps with the best one being used.

All the riders do the same with their bikes.

The cumulative times or average times are taken.

Crash and you're disqualified for the competition.

To win that would be a brag factor of note!

That will be interesting.
But, will it showcase more which bikes are easier  to ride with all the aids, rather than natural talent?
The days of raw talent and a massive will to win are being outstripped by huge money and a clinical world.
Sad, but we we still enjoy the good racing days and what it has to offer.

Sure the better bikes will be faster across all the riders, but it's an even contest as all the riders are going to have a go, two results will come out.

Constructors;
Who builds the outright fastest bikes
Who builds the easiest bikes to go fast on, right out the box. (this will be mitigated a little by the owner riders riding settings - some riders have settings that others find unrideable)

Riders
Remember, the bikes settings can't be changed from the owners preferences.
Fastest on their own bikes won't necessarily win it. It will be the fastest guys who can adapt the quickest. Lorenzo is a world champ and really quick, but needs a very particular setup or else he's nowhere.
So their'll be 3 prizes;
Fastest time overall on own bike.
Fastest time on a strange bike.
Fastest on average times over all the bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: CycleC on August 12, 2019, 08:21:48 am
What a finish - In Dovi's interview it was almost like he was saying he had an out of body experience. To beat MM you have to take chances and that's exactly what happened, how 04 turned that Ducati in so tight on the final turn only he will know. What a race !!!! - Congrats to Brad Binder as well. Great result, it bodes well for 2020.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 08:25:12 am
What a finish - In Dovi's interview it was almost like he was saying he had an out of body experience. To beat MM you have to take chances and that's exactly what happened, how 04 turned that Ducati in so tight on the final turn only he will know. What a race !!!! - Congrats to Brad Binder as well. Great result, it bodes well for 2020.

In the MM versus Dovi last laps battle, Dovi is well ahead.  He is a much better rider than the figures indicate.

Spare a thought for Darryn Binder who started last on the grid due to a "naughty boy" penalty and raced to 15th. 

As I watched the competitors destroy themselves chasing Brad I thought for a moment: "there is only one thing more dangerous than being ahead of Darryn chasing hard on the track and that is being behind Brad on a track!"   :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on August 12, 2019, 08:47:05 am
Brilliant BB and Dovi / Marquez scrap  :thumleft: Chuffed that there is at least someone who can battle it out with MM......and even more so on a Duc  ;)
Quartararo is showing huge talent !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on August 12, 2019, 08:51:32 am
Alex Rins.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 08:52:14 am
Yet another shocker from KTM.  Johann Zarco will leave at the end of this year, one year before his contract expires.  According to KTM this is an ammicable agreement between JZ and KTM.  The question immediately arises who will ride the KTM and where will JZ go.  Only two riders not contracted.  Miller and Nakagami, therefore only two MGP riders available to KTM and two possible bikes to JZ.

KTM indicated that they are trying hard to convince Dani Pedrosa to come out of retirement for the 2020 season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 12, 2019, 09:02:05 am
The JL99 rumour is gathering pace. Sort of makes sense why Miller is still waiting for a contract.

Now who goes to Repsol Honda? Miller or Nakagami?

It seems the rumours died a quick death as so often happens.  We wait and see.

Rumour not dead yet. Latest is Miller to KTM, JL99 to Ducati & Nakagami to Honda.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Tr0jan on August 12, 2019, 09:22:36 am
Brilliant ride by Brad! What a boytjie  :ricky:

Genugtig daai man gery. Almal val af om te probeer by bly!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 12, 2019, 09:52:30 am
The JL99 rumour is gathering pace. Sort of makes sense why Miller is still waiting for a contract.

Now who goes to Repsol Honda? Miller or Nakagami?

It seems the rumours died a quick death as so often happens.  We wait and see.

Rumour not dead yet. Latest is Miller to KTM, JL99 to Ducati & Nakagami to Honda.

Latest as I have it is that JL99 himself indicated that he will stay with Honda.

Zarco leaving KTM will create some interesting ripples though.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2019, 10:13:34 am
Yet another shocker from KTM.  Johann Zarco will leave at the end of this year, one year before his contract expires.  According to KTM this is an ammicable agreement between JZ and KTM.  The question immediately arises who will ride the KTM and where will JZ go.  Only two riders not contracted.  Miller and Nakagami, therefore only two MGP riders available to KTM and two possible bikes to JZ.

KTM indicated that they are trying hard to convince Dani Pedrosa to come out of retirement for the 2020 season.
Sadly I predicted this last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 12, 2019, 03:53:41 pm
The JL99 rumour is gathering pace. Sort of makes sense why Miller is still waiting for a contract.

Now who goes to Repsol Honda? Miller or Nakagami?

It seems the rumours died a quick death as so often happens.  We wait and see.

Rumour not dead yet. Latest is Miller to KTM, JL99 to Ducati & Nakagami to Honda.

I thought Crutchlow would be first choice for Honda???

Looks like JZ could be without a ride next year.

Has BiB signed with Tech3 KTM or could he take JZ's place at factory KTM?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 12, 2019, 05:05:11 pm
Crutchlow almost 34 now. Nakagami only 27 & Honda would love a Jap rider (champion).

Always possible to move between factory & satellite team but they'd rather promote Oliveira.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 12, 2019, 06:31:02 pm
True

What's the deal with Idemitsu and Jap riders, could it be Idemitsu factory Honda next year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 13, 2019, 11:43:00 am
Alex Marquez confirmed to remain at MarcVDS Moto2 for another year.

Crutchlow almost 34 now. Nakagami only 27 & Honda would love a Jap rider (champion).

Always possible to move between factory & satellite team but they'd rather promote Oliveira.

Both Brad and Oliviera have signed with Tech 3.  Oliviera have 1 year left on his contract and Brad only signed for a year.  Keep in mind that KTM Factory and Tech 3 is pretty much managed as one team and therefore they could move a rider like BB or MO into the factory team.  My guess is that they will convince their first choice for the factory bike, Dani Pedrosa to come out of retirement for 2020.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 13, 2019, 12:16:47 pm
Alex Marquez confirmed to remain at MarcVDS Moto2 for another year.

Crutchlow almost 34 now. Nakagami only 27 & Honda would love a Jap rider (champion).

Always possible to move between factory & satellite team but they'd rather promote Oliveira.

Both Brad and Oliviera have signed with Tech 3.  Oliviera have 1 year left on his contract and Brad only signed for a year.  Keep in mind that KTM Factory and Tech 3 is pretty much managed as one team and therefore they could move a rider like BB or MO into the factory team.  My guess is that they will convince their first choice for the factory bike, Dani Pedrosa to come out of retirement for 2020.

That's what i said.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 13, 2019, 02:28:06 pm
Alex Marquez confirmed to remain at MarcVDS Moto2 for another year.

Crutchlow almost 34 now. Nakagami only 27 & Honda would love a Jap rider (champion).

Always possible to move between factory & satellite team but they'd rather promote Oliveira.

Both Brad and Oliviera have signed with Tech 3.  Oliviera have 1 year left on his contract and Brad only signed for a year.  Keep in mind that KTM Factory and Tech 3 is pretty much managed as one team and therefore they could move a rider like BB or MO into the factory team.  My guess is that they will convince their first choice for the factory bike, Dani Pedrosa to come out of retirement for 2020.

That's what i said.

Indeed, you did.  I thought adding the contract periods and the bit about Dani would ad value to your point.  Apologies if it didn't.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 13, 2019, 03:36:20 pm
The contract bit did add value, thank you. I was referring to bold part only.

Cheers.

Edit: Don't think Pedrosa will race.

 https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/pedrosa-zarco-ktm-kallio-oliveira/4512941/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 13, 2019, 05:32:10 pm
I'll also be VERY surprised if they could lure Pedrosa back.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 13, 2019, 05:34:47 pm
Why would they even consider that?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 13, 2019, 05:54:09 pm
Why would they even consider that?

Desperation?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 14, 2019, 08:18:59 am
I'll also be VERY surprised if they could lure Pedrosa back.

Why would they even consider that?

I would be surprised myself, but in an interview, Dani did not say: "NO!  AIKÔNA!"  He waffled a tad about it not being part of his future plans.  So, we wait and see.

Due to him testing, KTM will know exactly how well Dani is riding the bike and will understand what can be expected from him on track.  I doubt they just indicated they would like Dani, unless there was a good reason.  They could have taken their other test rider, Mika Kalio who is a godo rider himself, but they mentioned Dani.  Perhaps due to lap time stats available to them, which we do no see?

What are their options, excluding Dani, though?  Only two possible MotoGP riders available.

- Mika Kalio:  No slouch and has been KTM test rider since they stepped into MotoGP.  He was not bad during his few wild card entries.
- Jack Miller:  Will in all likelyhood sign with Pramac Ducati
- Nakagami:  Very unlikely that he will leave Honda.
- Oliviera:  They can promote him, but he has not shown much on the KTM yet.  Who do they replace him with?
- Various Moto2 riders:  There are a few possibilities and I believe Moto2 riders have a clause in their contracts that it can be cancelled should a MotoGP contract some along.  This option will give Tech 3 KTM two rookies for next season though, so I am not sure they will go this route.


Another interesting talking point is where we will see Zarco next year.  As always, lots of rumours.  On a Honda in WSBK, on a third Petronas Yamaha are but two rumour floating.  One I have not seen, so let me start it myself is on a satellite Suzuki.  A very strong rumour is that Avintia Ducati, a Ducati customer team, will become the Suzuki satellite team from next year ..... 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Africamike on August 14, 2019, 12:22:36 pm
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927444/1/miller-finally-resigns-pramac-ducati
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 14, 2019, 12:49:59 pm
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927444/1/miller-finally-resigns-pramac-ducati
^ Misleading title of the year  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 14, 2019, 01:54:44 pm
What are their options, excluding Dani, though?  Only two possible MotoGP riders available.

- Mika Kalio:  No slouch and has been KTM test rider since they stepped into MotoGP.  He was not bad during his few wild card entries.
- Jack Miller:  Will in all likelyhood sign with Pramac Ducati
- Nakagami:  Very unlikely that he will leave Honda.
- Oliviera:  They can promote him, but he has not shown much on the KTM yet.  Who do they replace him with?
- Various Moto2 riders:  There are a few possibilities and I believe Moto2 riders have a clause in their contracts that it can be cancelled should a MotoGP contract some along.  This option will give Tech 3 KTM two rookies for next season though, so I am not sure they will go this route.

Jackass will do 2020 on a factory Ducati with Pramac Ducati.  That take one option for KTM out of the mix.  I wonder if the fact that Ducati is willing to field 4 factory bikes is an indication that the rumoured move by Avintia away from Ducati to Suzuki may be true?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 14, 2019, 07:24:34 pm
What are their options, excluding Dani, though?  Only two possible MotoGP riders available.

- Mika Kalio:  No slouch and has been KTM test rider since they stepped into MotoGP.  He was not bad during his few wild card entries.
- Jack Miller:  Will in all likelyhood sign with Pramac Ducati
- Nakagami:  Very unlikely that he will leave Honda.
- Oliviera:  They can promote him, but he has not shown much on the KTM yet.  Who do they replace him with?
- Various Moto2 riders:  There are a few possibilities and I believe Moto2 riders have a clause in their contracts that it can be cancelled should a MotoGP contract some along.  This option will give Tech 3 KTM two rookies for next season though, so I am not sure they will go this route.

Jackass will do 2020 on a factory Ducati with Pramac Ducati.  That take one option for KTM out of the mix.  I wonder if the fact that Ducati is willing to field 4 factory bikes is an indication that the rumoured move by Avintia away from Ducati to Suzuki may be true?

Can bring Alvaro Bautista back
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2019, 08:33:40 pm
What are their options, excluding Dani, though?  Only two possible MotoGP riders available.

- Mika Kalio:  No slouch and has been KTM test rider since they stepped into MotoGP.  He was not bad during his few wild card entries.
- Jack Miller:  Will in all likelyhood sign with Pramac Ducati
- Nakagami:  Very unlikely that he will leave Honda.
- Oliviera:  They can promote him, but he has not shown much on the KTM yet.  Who do they replace him with?
- Various Moto2 riders:  There are a few possibilities and I believe Moto2 riders have a clause in their contracts that it can be cancelled should a MotoGP contract some along.  This option will give Tech 3 KTM two rookies for next season though, so I am not sure they will go this route.

Jackass will do 2020 on a factory Ducati with Pramac Ducati.  That take one option for KTM out of the mix.  I wonder if the fact that Ducati is willing to field 4 factory bikes is an indication that the rumoured move by Avintia away from Ducati to Suzuki may be true?

Can bring Alvaro Bautista back

He's Portuguese, every corner he arrives at, he want to set up a shop.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 14, 2019, 09:01:40 pm
Bautista is Spanish AND 34yrs old.

With KTM committed to MotoGP for another 7yrs (& dropping out of Moto2) it is clear that they plan on winning a few titles. Very good news for Brad.

@TheBear do you think they'll sign a (MotoGP) rookie or find an experienced rider?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2019, 10:24:11 pm
Bautista is Spanish AND 34yrs old.

With KTM committed to MotoGP for another 7yrs (& dropping out of Moto2) it is clear that they plan on winning a few titles. Very good news for Brad.

@TheBear do you think they'll sign a (MotoGP) rookie or find an experienced rider?

Sorry. :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 15, 2019, 08:03:58 am
Bautista is Spanish AND 34yrs old.

With KTM committed to MotoGP for another 7yrs (& dropping out of Moto2) it is clear that they plan on winning a few titles. Very good news for Brad.

@TheBear do you think they'll sign a (MotoGP) rookie or find an experienced rider?

Personally I would be knocking on Jonathan Rea's door big time
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 08:31:55 am
What are their options, excluding Dani, though?  Only two possible MotoGP riders available.

- Mika Kalio:  No slouch and has been KTM test rider since they stepped into MotoGP.  He was not bad during his few wild card entries.
- Jack Miller:  Will in all likelyhood sign with Pramac Ducati
- Nakagami:  Very unlikely that he will leave Honda.
- Oliviera:  They can promote him, but he has not shown much on the KTM yet.  Who do they replace him with?
- Various Moto2 riders:  There are a few possibilities and I believe Moto2 riders have a clause in their contracts that it can be cancelled should a MotoGP contract some along.  This option will give Tech 3 KTM two rookies for next season though, so I am not sure they will go this route.

Jackass will do 2020 on a factory Ducati with Pramac Ducati.  That take one option for KTM out of the mix.  I wonder if the fact that Ducati is willing to field 4 factory bikes is an indication that the rumoured move by Avintia away from Ducati to Suzuki may be true?

Can bring Alvaro Bautista back

Unlikely as well as Alvaro is leaving Ducati at the end of this season to join Honda in WSBK. 

Bautista is Spanish AND 34yrs old.

With KTM committed to MotoGP for another 7yrs (& dropping out of Moto2) it is clear that they plan on winning a few titles. Very good news for Brad.

@TheBear do you think they'll sign a (MotoGP) rookie or find an experienced rider?

@Solo I am wondering about that and I have no idea really. 

They do seem to be in a bit of a pickle since the only MotoGP rider still not signed it Nakagami.  It seems their choices are limited now.  Sign a rookie from Moto2, or one of their own test riders, Dani or Mika Kalio.  I would go Dani, if at all possible (he is a little oke, so twisting his arm might work), but Mika is no slouch either.  Perhaps the best option for them, one of the two test riders. 

Then again, finding a good Moto2 rider and bringing him into the team is not all bad either.  They did sign Iker Lecuona to replace Brad at Moto2.  Perhaps promote him since they won't be in Moto2 next year, other than supporting Ajo. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 15, 2019, 10:33:10 am
Well, there goes the Lecuona option.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927452/1/ajo-stay-moto2-moto3-red-bull-ktm-links

Really is silly season, for team(s), not riders.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 12:50:52 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 15, 2019, 12:55:52 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D

That will raise the COG significantly.

and lower the status a lot.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 01:08:37 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D

That will raise the COG significantly.

and lower the status a lot.

Well, I am no expert but I believe a higher cog and a lower status will improve performance drastically.  Oh wait ... by COG you do not mean the gearing?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 15, 2019, 01:10:54 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D

That will raise the COG significantly.

and lower the status a lot.
Why, will he be standingmeerkatting?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 15, 2019, 01:14:25 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D

That will raise the COG significantly.

and lower the status a lot.
Why, will he be standingmeerkatting?

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 01:24:49 pm
Okay!  Okay!  I admit, they are negotiating with me.  I am holding back though.  The offered salary is fine, but I am demanding BMW badges on the bike.   >:D

That will raise the COG significantly.

and lower the status a lot.
Why, will he be standingmeerkatting?

Of course!  We have all seen that the best way to correct a high side is to stand up.  Why not just stand from the start and prevent a high side?  I can see why KTM didn't approach you and Danie to ride for them.  You know too little and clearly have no understanding of COGS and Statussus.   :ricky:






Edit:  Real reason for standing is I am too chubby to sit while wearing leathers ...............
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 15, 2019, 01:53:44 pm
Pedrosa will not race.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927458/1/motogp-gossip-pedrosa-rules-himself-out-zarco-replacement
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 02:00:40 pm
Pedrosa will not race.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927458/1/motogp-gossip-pedrosa-rules-himself-out-zarco-replacement

I wonder if they will try someone from WSBK?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 15, 2019, 02:42:49 pm
I say buy Fabio from Petronas. 20yrs old, 500 fewer revs allowed & he still smokes Maverick & that other guy some people claim to be the greatest ever.

Yamaha can use the the money to buy some tech to improve their bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 15, 2019, 03:04:26 pm
I say buy Fabio from Petronas. 20yrs old, 500 fewer revs allowed & he still smokes Maverick & that other guy some people claim to be the greatest ever.

Yamaha can use the the money to buy some tech to improve their bike.

I am not yet convinced about Fabio.  I hope I am wrong as I enjoy watching him race and sock it to much bigger names as well, but his history during 2 seasons of M3 and 2 seasons of M2 wasn't that impressive. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 22, 2019, 11:50:32 am
All the 6 MotoGP manufacturers tested at the newly build KymiRIng in Finland during last week.  These were just the test riders and none of the MotoGP riders rode the bikes.  Over the two days it was mostly wet, but they did get in some dry laps.  Interesting results:

Bradley Smith - Aprilia
Stefan Bradl - Honda
Michele Pirro - Ducati
Sylvain Guintoli - Suzuki
Mika Kallio - KTM
Jonas Folger - Yamaha

1,5s covered them all.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2019, 09:26:18 am
The MotoGP series moves to Silverstone this weekend and some very serious questions are being asked.

- Will it rain?
- If it does rain will the newly surfaced track actually have a camber so water can run off the track?
- Will the factory M1 Yamahas notice the schedule have changed and not land up in Moto2?
- If not and they do land up in Moto2, will they be able to finish in the points?
- Will JL99, on his return win, not win, fall?
- Will Johan Zarco, now that he is leaving KTM, be the fastest KTM ever?
- Will MM93 make any spectacular saves, spectacular falls, or a spectacular win or all of the preceding?
- Will the factory Ducatis be able to turn?

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 23, 2019, 09:29:05 am
I cannot answer you but FP1 Moto3 starts in 22m45s
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on August 23, 2019, 09:36:25 am
The MotoGP series moves to Silverstone this weekend and some very serious questions are being asked.

- Will it rain?
- If it does rain will the newly surfaced track actually have a camber so water can run off the track?
- Will the factory M1 Yamahas notice the schedule have changed and not land up in Moto2?
- If not and they do land up in Moto2, will they be able to finish in the points?
- Will JL99, on his return win, not win, fall?
- Will Johan Zarco, now that he is leaving KTM, be the fastest KTM ever?
- Will MM93 make any spectacular saves, spectacular falls, or a spectacular win or all of the preceding?
- Will the factory Ducatis be able to turn?

No rain predicted, summer is in uK for this weekend only.
Yes, mcn has a full article regarding this in this weeks issue.
Yes, Rossi is clever
Moot
Not win
Unlikely
Yes
Yes

Rossi for the win

I will be com8ng back from a festival on the Sunday, might just make a detour as tickets still available. After last years debacle ppl are staying away. I went in 2017, weather was superb. 2019 is return to superb weather
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2019, 09:37:40 am
I cannot answer you but FP1 Moto3 starts in 22m45s

What!?  Someone on WD's that doesn't know everything?   >:D

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2019, 09:39:15 am
The MotoGP series moves to Silverstone this weekend and some very serious questions are being asked.

- Will it rain?
- If it does rain will the newly surfaced track actually have a camber so water can run off the track?
- Will the factory M1 Yamahas notice the schedule have changed and not land up in Moto2?
- If not and they do land up in Moto2, will they be able to finish in the points?
- Will JL99, on his return win, not win, fall?
- Will Johan Zarco, now that he is leaving KTM, be the fastest KTM ever?
- Will MM93 make any spectacular saves, spectacular falls, or a spectacular win or all of the preceding?
- Will the factory Ducatis be able to turn?

No rain predicted, summer is in uK for this weekend only.
Yes, mcn has a full article regarding this in this weeks issue.
Yes, Rossi is clever
Moot
Not win
Unlikely
Yes
Yes

Rossi for the win

I will be com8ng back from a festival on the Sunday, might just make a detour as tickets still available. After last years debacle ppl are staying away. I went in 2017, weather was superb. 2019 is return to superb weather

Bliksem!  First time I have even seen you talk sense!   >:D





Note:  Ag sorry man.  The devil made me do it.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 23, 2019, 10:25:56 am
Miller did talk to KTM whilst waiting on a Pramac contract.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927572/1/miller-wants-sweep-it-under-rug-after-ducati-saga
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2019, 11:02:07 am
Miller did talk to KTM whilst waiting on a Pramac contract.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/927572/1/miller-wants-sweep-it-under-rug-after-ducati-saga

Yes, he did.  I am not surprised.  I think there is a lot of "horse trading" going on that does not necessarily make it into the media.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 23, 2019, 01:17:22 pm
FP1: 

Darryn 24.   :'(
Stephen 27
Brad 10

MotoGP:

Young Fabio
MM93
Maverick
Rins
Morbidelli
Dovi
VR46
Crutchlow
Petrux
Jackass

All four Yamahas in the top 10!  Danie!?  You been sending them tuning tips?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 23, 2019, 06:20:53 pm
I say buy Fabio from Petronas. 20yrs old, 500 fewer revs allowed & he still smokes Maverick & that other guy some people claim to be the greatest ever.

Yamaha can use the the money to buy some tech to improve their bike.

Some people also claim Giacomo to be the greatest ever. But he's even older than the other one some other people claim to be the greatest, so will probably also not do well here.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 23, 2019, 06:24:23 pm
FP1: 

Darryn 24.   :'(
Stephen 27
Brad 10

MotoGP:

Young Fabio
MM93
Maverick
Rins
Morbidelli
Dovi
VR46
Crutchlow
Petrux
Jackass

All four Yamahas in the top 10!  Danie!?  You been sending them tuning tips?

I just said that if they do not pull their socks up, I will join the Yamaha forum.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 24, 2019, 02:33:02 am
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on August 24, 2019, 03:05:18 am
Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

hope so too,  but fear he will live regretting those wasted ducati years.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on August 24, 2019, 08:09:07 am
Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

hope so too,  but fear he will live regretting those wasted ducati years.

And kicking MM off his bike in 2015 :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on August 24, 2019, 08:45:28 am
That would be the BIG regret. Many champs have lean years at various manufacturers (think Lorenzo, a great champ). 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on August 24, 2019, 09:06:12 am
FP1: 

Darryn 24.   :'(
Stephen 27
Brad 10

MotoGP:

Young Fabio
MM93
Maverick
Rins
Morbidelli
Dovi
VR46
Crutchlow
Petrux
Jackass

All four Yamahas in the top 10!  Danie!?  You been sending them tuning tips?

He stopped sending them tips.. :laughing4: :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 24, 2019, 12:33:41 pm
That would be the BIG regret. Many champs have lean years at various manufacturers (think Lorenzo, a great champ).

Champ, yes ................................... Great, no.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 24, 2019, 09:04:44 pm
Seems the old goat had some legs today  :biggrin: tomorrow should be interesting all round.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 24, 2019, 09:09:17 pm
FP1: 

Darryn 24.   :'(
Stephen 27
Brad 10

MotoGP:

Young Fabio
MM93
Maverick
Rins
Morbidelli
Dovi
VR46
Crutchlow
Petrux
Jackass

All four Yamahas in the top 10!  Danie!?  You been sending them tuning tips?

He stopped sending them tips.. :laughing4: :)

 :imaposer: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on August 24, 2019, 10:07:34 pm
If you exclude Mr fast, p2-7 is split by less than 0.2s

Hope this points to an epic race tomorrow!

Sent from my LG-H990 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on August 25, 2019, 03:31:37 am
lovely day indeed.
had the bikes on the whole day.
caught lots of riding without paying too much attention to what was going on,  while dealing with various missions around the house.
absolutely everything done,  so am looking forward to a day on the couch.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on August 25, 2019, 05:30:22 pm
Epic races... and Suzuki is back! :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 25, 2019, 06:25:30 pm
Epic races... and Suzuki is back! :deal:

Ganjora probably fell off his couch. :pot:

What a MotoGP race!!

What a performance by BB!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 25, 2019, 08:01:36 pm
Yep, BB did good.

But so did Rins, hey! How was that epic pass out of the last corner? Ol' MM must be getting used to being upstaged in the last corner of the last lap, hahaha.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on August 25, 2019, 08:27:51 pm
Yep, BB did good.

But so did Rins, hey! How was that epic pass out of the last corner? Ol' MM must be getting used to being upstaged in the last corner of the last lap, hahaha.
That move was cunning and shows the Handling capabilities,Hell Yes and good Luck to Suzuki :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 26, 2019, 08:06:26 am
Was Rins on the shaft, or chain-drive GS1000?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 26, 2019, 08:12:04 am
Suzuki's have always been sweet handling bikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on August 26, 2019, 09:47:38 am
Qwatarara with the rookie mistake ... he could have been in the hunt if he had stayed patient after the bad start
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 26, 2019, 10:04:02 am
That was a pretty intense last few laps.

It would have been interesting if Dovi and Qwat stayed in the game.. im not convinced MM would have been leading for so long

I wonder why Rossi was off the pace.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: RobC on August 26, 2019, 10:16:49 am
That was a pretty intense last few laps.

It would have been interesting if Dovi and Qwat stayed in the game.. im not convinced MM would have been leading for so long

I wonder why Rossi was off the pace.
Fuel load... :sip: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: MellowJo on August 26, 2019, 10:42:57 am
Incredible 2 races .... had me on the edge of my seat all the way .... Suzuki made me think back to the days of Kevin Schwantz Pepsi suzuki 

Such a difference to F1, who still watches F1 ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: MellowJo on August 26, 2019, 10:44:24 am
I really hope that Brad has a reasonable bike next year in MotoGP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 26, 2019, 11:07:08 am
Qwatarara with the rookie mistake ... he could have been in the hunt if he had stayed patient after the bad start

Moto3 and Moto 2 all over again.  Unfortunately.  However, in this case he had a bot of help from Rins slipping in front of him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 26, 2019, 11:07:51 am
That was a pretty intense last few laps.

It would have been interesting if Dovi and Qwat stayed in the game.. im not convinced MM would have been leading for so long

I wonder why Rossi was off the pace.

Rear tyre lack of grip.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 26, 2019, 11:09:45 am
Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

hope so too,  but fear he will live regretting those wasted ducati years.

And kicking MM off his bike in 2015 :lol8: :lol8:

That is what makes him THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME!  Even able to break Newton's Laws of Physics.   :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 26, 2019, 11:13:53 am
Was interesting to see Dovi's bike go up in flames, you don't see that too often anymore. Testament to the build quality and safety regulations, I suppose.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 26, 2019, 12:07:44 pm
Was interesting to see Dovi's bike go up in flames, you don't see that too often anymore. Testament to the build quality and safety regulations, I suppose.

It was a Ducati....... >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 26, 2019, 12:16:13 pm
Suzuki is back!

I wish Zarco could get a Suzuki ride next year. I hate seeing him struggle with the KTM. He is much better than he is doing at the moment.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 26, 2019, 12:36:28 pm
Suzuki is back!

I wish Zarco could get a Suzuki ride next year. I hate seeing him struggle with the KTM. He is much better than he is doing at the moment.

Zarco won't struggle with KTM as he and KTM decided to part ways, severing their 2020 contract amicably.  This means we will, in all probability not see Zarco in MotoGP next year as all seats are confirmed taken, except the LCR Honda team have not yet signed with Taakaki Nagagami, but that is surely just rubber stamp exersize.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on August 26, 2019, 01:17:48 pm
Interesting take on his part.
 

When asked if he had failed in his project with KTM, Zarco said: "Can be, maybe yes. But the feeling was if I continued also for next year and I cannot have a better result, I not only failed in the project but failed also in my career.

"That was my biggest scare, that is why I prefer to give myself the opportunity to do something else for next year than wait one more year.

"I say to KTM, being honest, if I accept to finish 15th [every race], just to do the job, it means I will ride only for your money. I don't want to do that. Maybe later, in 10 years, but not right now.

"I was speaking with my people around me, Jean-Michel [Bayle, rider coach] too, but everyone said 'we cannot choose for you'.

"For sure if you think about it logically, you have a choice [between] nothing, or a choice to continue in MotoGP next year, having a good salary. Which one do you choose?

"Logically you choose, 'OK, I don't have any choice, I continue in MotoGP'. But I was feeling bad so I say 'no, I cannot, it is not the way I want to race'."
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 26, 2019, 07:37:41 pm
Interesting take on his part.
 

When asked if he had failed in his project with KTM, Zarco said: "Can be, maybe yes. But the feeling was if I continued also for next year and I cannot have a better result, I not only failed in the project but failed also in my career.

"That was my biggest scare, that is why I prefer to give myself the opportunity to do something else for next year than wait one more year.

"I say to KTM, being honest, if I accept to finish 15th [every race], just to do the job, it means I will ride only for your money. I don't want to do that. Maybe later, in 10 years, but not right now.

"I was speaking with my people around me, Jean-Michel [Bayle, rider coach] too, but everyone said 'we cannot choose for you'.

"For sure if you think about it logically, you have a choice [between] nothing, or a choice to continue in MotoGP next year, having a good salary. Which one do you choose?

"Logically you choose, 'OK, I don't have any choice, I continue in MotoGP'. But I was feeling bad so I say 'no, I cannot, it is not the way I want to race'."

I am not sure about all this.  A year out of MotoGP and you run the risk of being a forgotten also ran.  A good rider like he is can survive a year on a bad bike and be in the spotlight when silly season starts.  I hope it works for him though.  He is way to good a rider to be stuck in Moto2 or WSBK.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on August 26, 2019, 07:46:52 pm
Another Reason might be that he has less Points than his Team Mate and he feels that Oliveira could damage his Reputation?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on August 26, 2019, 10:30:30 pm
Stolen off ADVrider from someone who got it off the webs.

Too cool!

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/rins-jpg.1856795/)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on August 27, 2019, 08:17:59 am
Stolen off ADVrider from someone who got it off the webs.

Too cool!

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/rins-jpg.1856795/)
Are you referring to my Post?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 08:30:21 am
Problem may well lay with Zarco as person, does not seem to really gel with any team he's been with.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Wolzak on August 27, 2019, 08:38:48 am
I see he has also lost his Coach, Jean-Michel Bayle.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 27, 2019, 08:41:31 am
Apparently the steel frame bikes are very different, and those who grew up racing them have a huge advantage, Zarco not being one of them, while Olivera is.
Could be why Rossi and Co struggled on the Ducati's.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 27, 2019, 12:48:03 pm
Incredible 2 races .... had me on the edge of my seat all the way .... Suzuki made me think back to the days of Kevin Schwantz Pepsi suzuki 

Such a difference to F1, who still watches F1 ?

Back when I was in school Kevin was my hero and the rider i fanatically supported.. I must say i was really happy to see a Suzuki win

Even though I am a hardcore MM and Repsol Honda fan it was good to see. In the end that Suzuki was the better bike on the day , well deserved win.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 27, 2019, 01:00:21 pm
Incredible 2 races .... had me on the edge of my seat all the way .... Suzuki made me think back to the days of Kevin Schwantz Pepsi suzuki 

Such a difference to F1, who still watches F1 ?

Back when I was in school Kevin was my hero and the rider i fanatically supported.. I must say i was really happy to see a Suzuki win

Even though I am a hardcore MM and Repsol Honda fan it was good to see. In the end that Suzuki was the better bike on the day , well deserved win.

I agree, by the way I have started to watch F1 again its getting better especially now that Honda is starting to perform.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 27, 2019, 02:45:21 pm
Problem may well lay with Zarco as person, does not seem to really gel with any team he's been with.

I think this is the larger part of the problem.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 02:55:45 pm
He’s French, it’s not surprising  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 03:07:16 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 03:51:13 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

And why do you think that Rossi, with the exception of the Dukes, never had to "ride around a problem" in his career?

One of any racer's have-to-have strong points is choosing your team correctly.

Stoner got broken on Laguna Seca. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 27, 2019, 04:00:00 pm
Is there any news on Lorenzo? I was really hoping he would be the guy to take on the championship this year.. fail

I saw him chugging along at the back of the pack on the weekend.. is his back still buggered?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 27, 2019, 04:00:21 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

I have to agree and futher to that Rossi is way behind Agostini who won world 15 Champioships and 8 in the Premier class also on different types of Machinery. Further to that he won a whole wack of Isle of Man TT races. in a time when riders died regularly due to the tracks and equipment. There is no doubt Rossi is a great rider he is also very good at marketing himself.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 04:06:48 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

I have to agree and futher to that Rossi is way behind Agostini who won world 15 Champioships and 8 in the Premier class also on different types of Machinery. Further to that he won a whole wack of Isle of Man TT races. in a time when riders died regularly due to the tracks and equipment. There is no doubt Rossi is a great rider he is also very good at marketing himself.

The marketing is why Rossi is seen as Mr MotoGP, and rightly so.

Not ot ever take away from Ago, but if you knew the history, you'll also know that many of Ago's titles came with him on multi cylinder MV's and the opposition on British singles.

Rossi never had this "luxury" O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 27, 2019, 04:18:15 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

I have to agree and futher to that Rossi is way behind Agostini who won world 15 Champioships and 8 in the Premier class also on different types of Machinery. Further to that he won a whole wack of Isle of Man TT races. in a time when riders died regularly due to the tracks and equipment. There is no doubt Rossi is a great rider he is also very good at marketing himself.

The marketing is why Rossi is seen as Mr MotoGP, and rightly so.

Not ot ever take away from Ago, but if you knew the history, you'll also know that many of Ago's titles came with him on multi cylinder MV's and the opposition on British singles.

Rossi never had this "luxury" O0

That is not true the brits were up to twins in the 60s the 50s and very early 60s were the great single cylinder bikes and other Italian brands were also on Multi cylinder bikes and Honda with Mike Hailwood, Jim Redman etc were all multi cylinder. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 04:55:39 pm
Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

And why do you think that Rossi, with the exception of the Dukes, never had to "ride around a problem" in his career?

One of any racer's have-to-have strong points is choosing your team correctly.

Stoner got broken on Laguna Seca. :ricky:

Statistically Agostini is the greatest. Nothing gonna change that.

Rossi will get his big 10, very soon.

No chance he will get 10, he will be lucky to get one more win before he retires. Last race win in Assen 2017 :imaposer:

I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.

If we are listing the greatest I put Stoner way ahead of Rossi. Just like MM he could ride around the problems with a bike and still win races. I have not seen Rossi do that once in his career. Even when he defected from Honda and jumped on the Yamaha it was already a well sorted bike that came second in the championship with Biaggi on board who was one of the riders that needed his bike to be perfect, just like Lorenzo.

And why do you think that Rossi, with the exception of the Dukes, never had to "ride around a problem" in his career?

One of any racer's have-to-have strong points is choosing your team correctly.

Stoner got broken on Laguna Seca. :ricky:

Beacause Rossi has won all his championships on the best bike of that year and racing against lesser riders on bikes that were not anything near the bikes he was on. I mean look at Sete, he was a German Superstock rider for crying out loud. He has never beaten the greats like Stoner, Doohan or a quality team mate on the same machinery to the championship.

In 2006 he had a momentary loss of talent and Hayden won. 2007 Casey won. The Ducati was shit and he won again in 2008/9 on the dominant bike, but Stoner was right there. Once Lorenzo got to grips with the Yamaha it was bye bye Rossi and then the mighty MM93 arrived.

You Rossi fans need need to take a step back, Rossi can sell himself and he is a great ambassador of the sport but he is way in the bottom of the top,ten of the greatest riders of all time. Mark is going to beat him in all records if he races for just a few more years and he’s only 26 :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 04:57:17 pm
Bwana, many of Ago's victory came in the 500 class, a class in which the Japanese only started getting serious in the 70's.

Examples; 1965, Ago 1st on a multi Agusta, followed by 2x Matchless, 2x Norton, Matchless, etc.
                  1968; Ago 1st on a multi Agusta, followed by Norton, Matchless, Matchless, etc.
                   1969 Ago 1st on a multi Agusta, followed by Linto, Norton, Paton, etc.
                    1970 Ago 1st on a multi Agusta, followed by Bultaco, Aermacchi, etc.

Read up on the others, bikes like Lino Tonti's dual 250 Aermacchi heads mated to his own crankcase, and the 500 twin paton, could never compete with Count Agusta's well-sorted 500 triples.

This why I say that many of Agostini's victories were hollow ones, as great as the man was.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 05:01:11 pm
Adam, according to your reasoning MM is also nowhere near as good as you are trying to make him out to be as he has the superior bike?

How was the Yamaha's that Rossi won on so superior to the Honda's they were racing?

Don't be silly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 27, 2019, 05:11:26 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 05:26:25 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 05:26:46 pm
Mark is that good because there is nobody capable of riding the Honda at the pace he does without crashing. He is also making that Honda look better than it is as did great riders like Casey on the Ducati and the Honda that same year. Look where there team mates are.

Rossi was on great bikes in every year he won the championship. When the bike wasn’t great he was beaten by his team mate. Jorge won in 2010 and Casey won in 2011 on the Honda closely followed by Spies on Rossi’s Yamaha . Rossi was on Casey’s Ducati that he could not ride for shit.

In 2012 Lorenzo won whilst Rossi was doing a shit job of trying to improve the Ducati and then he was back on his amazing Yamaha in 2013 and MM won and Rossi finished 4th with only one win.

He’s really not done much since. He should retire and let Zarco take the ride. Kwat is giving all the Yamaha goats a right reaming  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 05:29:22 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 05:34:41 pm
Mark is that good because there is nobody capable of riding the Honda at the pace he does without crashing. He is also making that Honda look better than it is as did great riders like Casey on the Ducati and the Honda that same year. Look where there team mates are.

Rossi was on great bikes in every year he won the championship. When the bike wasn’t great he was beaten by his team mate. Jorge won in 2010 and Casey won in 2011 on the Honda closely followed by Spies on Rossi’s Yamaha . Rossi was on Casey’s Ducati that he could not ride for shit.

In 2012 Lorenzo won whilst Rossi was doing a shit job of trying to improve the Ducati and then he was back on his amazing Yamaha in 2013 and MM won and Rossi finished 4th with only one win.

He’s really not done much since. He should retire and let Zarco take the ride. Kwat is giving all the Yamaha goats a right reaming  :lol8:

"Mark is that good because he is capable of riding that Honda at the pace he does without crashing"
"Rossi, at Mark"s age, was capable of riding that Aprilia/Yamaha at the pace he did without crashing"
"Doohan was that good because he was capable of riding that Honda at the pace he did without crashing"
"Roger de Coster was that good because he was able to ride those RM's at the pace he did without crashing"
Ad infinitum....... :biggrin:

What are you actually trying to say, except that Kwat gave Dovi the biggest reaming of all. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 05:35:55 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:

Tell us how far behind were the next Honda? The next Honda, not even the other "factory" Honda..... :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 05:46:31 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:

Tell us how far behind were the next Honda? The next Honda, not even the other "factory" Honda..... :imaposer: :imaposer:

Exactly, MM is THAT good :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 05:48:14 pm
Mark is that good because there is nobody capable of riding the Honda at the pace he does without crashing. He is also making that Honda look better than it is as did great riders like Casey on the Ducati and the Honda that same year. Look where there team mates are.

Rossi was on great bikes in every year he won the championship. When the bike wasn’t great he was beaten by his team mate. Jorge won in 2010 and Casey won in 2011 on the Honda closely followed by Spies on Rossi’s Yamaha . Rossi was on Casey’s Ducati that he could not ride for shit.

In 2012 Lorenzo won whilst Rossi was doing a shit job of trying to improve the Ducati and then he was back on his amazing Yamaha in 2013 and MM won and Rossi finished 4th with only one win.

He’s really not done much since. He should retire and let Zarco take the ride. Kwat is giving all the Yamaha goats a right reaming  :lol8:

"Mark is that good because he is capable of riding that Honda at the pace he does without crashing"
"Rossi, at Mark"s age, was capable of riding that Aprilia/Yamaha at the pace he did without crashing"
"Doohan was that good because he was capable of riding that Honda at the pace he did without crashing"
"Roger de Coster was that good because he was able to ride those RM's at the pace he did without crashing"
Ad infinitum....... :biggrin:

What are you actually trying to say, except that Kwat gave Dovi the biggest reaming of all. :ricky:

Bloody Tossi fans blinded by those yellow lights  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on August 27, 2019, 05:50:23 pm
The dirt track riders (Stoner and Marquez) obviously have a different style to the rest, and can ride those dogs of theirs in a way nobody else can  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 27, 2019, 06:04:19 pm
I still remember them bragging that a few tweaks to Stoner’s Ducati and he will be winning.


They said that?  The GP11, the bike VR46 rode was the GP11 which was first launched in Jan 2011.  Stoner never rode this bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2019, 06:34:49 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:

Tell us how far behind were the next Honda? The next Honda, not even the other "factory" Honda..... :imaposer: :imaposer:

Exactly, MM is THAT good :thumleft:

And Rins is even better then, to beat MM on a Suzuki?

Look, let me give you something, I also believe that Rossi is over his best, and cannot ride a bike like MM currently can.

This, however, takes nothing away from the legend that is VR46.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Bwana on August 27, 2019, 07:24:15 pm
Two of the things missing in this analysis.Rossi also rode for Honda and certain bikes are better on certain Tracks. The Manufacturers are aware of this and design there bikes to be competitive on as many tracks as possible but very few have been superior on all tracks..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on August 27, 2019, 09:35:22 pm
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:

Tell us how far behind were the next Honda? The next Honda, not even the other "factory" Honda..... :imaposer: :imaposer:

Exactly, MM is THAT good :thumleft:

And Rins is even better then, to beat MM on a Suzuki?

Look, let me give you something, I also believe that Rossi is over his best, and cannot ride a bike like MM currently can.

This, however, takes nothing away from the legend that is VR46.

My first bike was a Yamaha RZ,  my next bike was a 600 SRAD and at that point in my life I was i the UK and going to watch every BSB,SBK and MotoGP race I could. I’ve supported MM from the very beginning and even I couldn’t help screaming and getting a bit emotional when Rins stuck it up the inside
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on August 28, 2019, 06:25:55 am
Mark is that good because there is nobody capable of riding the Honda at the pace he does without crashing. He is also making that Honda look better than it is as did great riders like Casey on the Ducati and the Honda that same year. Look where there team mates are.

Rossi was on great bikes in every year he won the championship. When the bike wasn’t great he was beaten by his team mate. Jorge won in 2010 and Casey won in 2011 on the Honda closely followed by Spies on Rossi’s Yamaha . Rossi was on Casey’s Ducati that he could not ride for shit.

In 2012 Lorenzo won whilst Rossi was doing a shit job of trying to improve the Ducati and then he was back on his amazing Yamaha in 2013 and MM won and Rossi finished 4th with only one win.

He’s really not done much since. He should retire and let Zarco take the ride. Kwat is giving all the Yamaha goats a right reaming  :lol8:

I get what you say and agree.  VR should have retired years ago to allow the younger talent to flourish.  This reluctance will tarnish his reputation forever. Great sportsmen know when to quit..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 28, 2019, 06:31:38 am
Why should he quit when he is still one of the top performers? Great sportsman that quit do so mostly because they can no longer perform, or have lost their passion. Neither is the case with VR.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on August 28, 2019, 06:42:14 am
He is not really performing and is stopping younger riders from actually being competitive.  He is blocking the natural process of young riders coming through the ranks.  He must rather focus on his academy which do great things for young riders. Yamaha has turned into a Rossi show - the rider must not be bigger than the manufacturer...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on August 28, 2019, 07:00:43 am
Ag no, not you Kilroy .................... you sound like one of those "We won the race", We couldn't do this", "first thing I want to do, is thank my team" ............

That really makes me wanna roll my eyes, when I hear that ...........  ::)

MotoGP should be pinnacle, gladiator racing ...............................

 :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: edgy on August 28, 2019, 07:12:07 am
A pic I had to share! :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 28, 2019, 07:32:30 am
Why should he quit when he is still one of the top performers? Great sportsman that quit do so mostly because they can no longer perform, or have lost their passion. Neither is the case with VR.

Those who demand the man who is 5th in the championship should retire scares me!  What do they want to do to guy who is last?  Stoning?  Hanging?

While on that violent point, Rins should be keelhauled for what he did to my Superbru!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 28, 2019, 07:40:12 am
Adam's right ........................ the geriatric only managed 4th on Sunday, he's obviously as crap as he's always been.  :biggrin:

11.5 seconds off the pace  :imaposer:

While riders, much younger were:

- Quartararo:  DNF
- Morbidelli:  13.1
- Crutchlow:  19,1
- Petrucci: 19,6
- Lorenzo: 56,6

It seems the geriatric was 2 seconds ahead of his closest competition!  Ry hom oom!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2019, 08:04:18 am
Mark is that good because there is nobody capable of riding the Honda at the pace he does without crashing. He is also making that Honda look better than it is as did great riders like Casey on the Ducati and the Honda that same year. Look where there team mates are.

Rossi was on great bikes in every year he won the championship. When the bike wasn’t great he was beaten by his team mate. Jorge won in 2010 and Casey won in 2011 on the Honda closely followed by Spies on Rossi’s Yamaha . Rossi was on Casey’s Ducati that he could not ride for shit.

In 2012 Lorenzo won whilst Rossi was doing a shit job of trying to improve the Ducati and then he was back on his amazing Yamaha in 2013 and MM won and Rossi finished 4th with only one win.

He’s really not done much since. He should retire and let Zarco take the ride. Kwat is giving all the Yamaha goats a right reaming  :lol8:

I get what you say and agree.  VR should have retired years ago to allow the younger talent to flourish.  This reluctance will tarnish his reputation forever. Great sportsmen know when to quit..

Rossi is in a unique golden situation, where even though he cannot perform with the top guys anymore, he still loves his racing.

The amount of snide remarks on here against him confirms his high status in this sport.

Rossi, even at this non-competitive stadium, draws more spectators than the rest of the field together.

Just re-watch the Assen GP, where the amount of Rossi fans, and VR46 stalls, made it hard to spot the odd MM93 T-shirt. :thumleft:

According to Kilroy the Proteas should retire straight-away. :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on August 28, 2019, 09:18:30 am
then make him the team mascot

he is the no 1 rider in one of the best teams - he is failing.  time to move on. 

but I guess we will disagree on this one.  that's fine too.  but think of the poor Yamaha team...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 28, 2019, 09:52:43 am
then make him the team mascot

he is the no 1 rider in one of the best teams - he is failing.  time to move on. 

but I guess we will disagree on this one.  that's fine too.  but think of the poor Yamaha team...

There lies the catch.  He is still the #1 rider for the team.  Yes, this season he is a few points behind MV, but look at the past four years or so.  I believe he deserves his spot in the and I find it amazing to watch him. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on August 28, 2019, 09:54:20 am
Rins
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 28, 2019, 09:57:49 am
Rins

No!  He messed up my Superbru!  Screw him!   :lol8: ;)

On a more serious note, if I was young Rins, I'd hang around with Suzuki for a few more years.  It is what Maverick should have done.  That Suzuki is one sweet handling bike, but can do with a few more horses.  In the modern world it seems to me that it would be easier to find the horses than the handling.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: JonW on August 28, 2019, 09:58:59 am
then make him the team mascot

he is the no 1 rider in one of the best teams - he is failing.  time to move on. 

but I guess we will disagree on this one.  that's fine too.  but think of the poor Yamaha team...

Be careful, with kak comments like this we might revoke your posting rights and keep you on as the WD mascot    :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:04:39 am
then make him the team mascot

he is the no 1 rider in one of the best teams - he is failing.  time to move on. 

but I guess we will disagree on this one.  that's fine too.  but think of the poor Yamaha team...

Be careful, with kak comments like this we might revoke your posting rights and keep you on as the WD mascot    :peepwall:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :thumleft:

And his mascot suit will be yellow!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 28, 2019, 10:30:41 am
Yo dont be hatin` ya all....
Rossi het genoeg ondersteuning anyway... :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on August 28, 2019, 10:35:04 am
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 28, 2019, 10:43:22 am
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

Agree with you.
There is real passion in moto 3 and 2, usually a fairly big fighting pack and they literally go at it until the tyres are dead.
Once you are settled into the premier class, there should be no reason to be placid.
Not just in motogp where we see this, in many other sports....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on August 28, 2019, 11:35:04 am
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

cant fault your logic with Lorenzo - kak on a Duke, kak on a Honda. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 28, 2019, 12:00:41 pm
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

Agree with you.
There is real passion in moto 3 and 2, usually a fairly big fighting pack and they literally go at it until the tyres are dead.
Once you are settled into the premier class, there should be no reason to be placid.
Not just in motogp where we see this, in many other sports....
I will not disagree with you however a few points:
Lower classes were designed to bring a more level playing field in cost, tech and rules.
Premier class does not have that luxury, just the power separates those that can and cannot. Yes many are left behind because they may not fill the 'prodigy' and future 'great' but you have to be top dog. Timing and internal politics are a reality, unfortunately.
Markey Marc had the rules changed for him, good for him and the sport, entered into a factory team for the Spanish concern. No foul, he is good. Has he taken a bold move in his career, no. He is in a comfort zone and he should well milk that, it works. Challengers are coming and let's see how he deals with that in a few years. Personally I see chinks in his armour and once his head is done in I don't see him lasting as many have before him.

Rossi is an old goat and performing at this level is a young man's game, he seems to be doing not to bad physically and mentally. Qualification was not 'always' his strongest point but raceday he always improves for the most. More so than his competitors. That says a lot about his determination and hunger. He does and can finish better than most and can do better.


I'll ask a question, what the hell are people like KA doing in motogp, wait the kitty litter King?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sputnik080 on August 28, 2019, 12:05:45 pm
Just my 2 peanuts.....

MM, I am NOT a fan of him/his attitude, laat my my dink aan 'n verskriklike windgat laaitie.
Can he ride, absolutely, and will never take that away from him, he is good.
Do I support/love the Honda brand, absolutely, always have, always will.

VR, big fan.
Yes, he might be "old" and been around the block, but being in this game, still at his age, with his track record, and still "featuring", well done.
He might not be one of the top contenders anymore, but he's still good.
I don't think the Yammies are on par with Honda/Ducati, or even Suzuki, I do think if he has been on one of those, he might still have been a top contender.

As for Yamaha offering and VR signing another 2 year contract, I think this was probably more of a sentimental/respectable decision by both parties, rather than a career/brand representation move. I think both parties know this is most probably VR's last contract term, I think he wants to be loyal to his brand with whom he's been with for years, and from Yamaha's side to also show they've stuck with him through the years, and won't just drop him in his last term just because he's not a top contender anymore.

I think they're "relationship" has gone beyond just racing and podiums, and that to me is priceless.

This weekend's race was rather epic.........and I LOOOOVED that final move from Rins, insane.
I had shattered nerves......and in the end I was jumping up and down like a little kid.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Ganjora on August 28, 2019, 12:20:18 pm
Rins

yes.
Rins.
he has the measure of MM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2019, 12:31:35 pm
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

cant fault your logic with Lorenzo - kak on a Duke, kak on a Honda.

World champ, multiple, on a YAMAHA. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 28, 2019, 03:08:16 pm
Rossi got some life left. He is what is keeping motogp interesting. 93 is too good on the Honda so we need entertainment.

He regularly is the top Yamaha so how can he be passed it.

Using that yardstick, Lorenzo should be shot together with a bunch of others.

cant fault your logic with Lorenzo - kak on a Duke, kak on a Honda.

World champ, multiple, on a YAMAHA. :ricky:

Ah yes, the good old days...When Jorge AND Yamaha was able to win championships.... :peepwall: :pot:
Gelukkig weet Oom Dan nie waar bly Altie nie.... :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sithe on August 28, 2019, 03:40:16 pm
I would pump the brakes a bit on comparing Rossi to Mark and Casey ...

These youngsters never rode the feared 500 cc two stroke GP bikes ... with the way Mark is riding he would be in hospital every weekend ... the electronics on these new bikes are just insane ... 11 different power curves which you can adjust on the fly depending on track conditions and other variables

The main problem for Rossi is that this new era of Moto GP requires too much electronic assistance and Yamaha is doing a kak job at that ... that Yamaha just fails to get out of corners instead it spins and slides everywhere
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 28, 2019, 08:07:34 pm
Anyone noticed that we are on page 46? :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

 :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: IceCreamMan on August 28, 2019, 08:28:44 pm
MotoGP is a product and as such it competes with substitutes and other forms of entertainment on a Sunday afternoon to get bums in seats be those seats at home, pubs or at sporting events. Rossi adds to this product in ways we cannot calculate. Would not surprise me if his salary is subsidised.

An he is still competitive. Entertaining an a damn good ou who is still enthusiastic even after all he has achieved. Mang won at 40. Let’s hope.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: OomD on August 28, 2019, 09:36:30 pm
VR
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 29, 2019, 07:44:47 am
VR

Kilroy said make VR the team mascot.  But clearly he is already the MotoGP mascot. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 08:04:49 am
As for MM, VR, Rins, Dovi, JL, etc.  We owe them all a huge debt of gratitude because they bring heros and villains to the sport
 and therefore we have heated and excited debates and discussions about them and the races.  WHen last did you see anyone get hot and bothered about the WSBK crowd?




I'll ask a question, what the hell are people like KA doing in motogp, wait the kitty litter King?

Karl Abraham is the beloved son of one of the richest men in the world.  Just about everything in the Czech Republic, including the Brno Race Track belongs to him.  If Karl wants to race in MGP, Dad buys him a bike.  He races.  It is an unfortunate fact of motorcycle racing that if you bring big bucks, you get a ride even if you cannot ride a bicycle.

Next year, a ride on a Moto3 bike will cost you a minimum of Euro 300 000.  Unless, you are ne of the top few who already have sponsors, you need a reasonably rich dad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: JonW on August 29, 2019, 08:38:19 am
Karel Abraham can't be totally shit seeing as he was able to finish top of the podium in a Moto2 GP race.

All the money in the world can't buy that.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 29, 2019, 08:42:13 am
By some peoples comments I think we should chop every rider without a podium this year:
Italy Franco Morbidelli    Yamaha    11    Ret    5    7    7    Ret    Ret    5    9    Ret    10    5                         69
11    Spain Pol Espargaró    KTM    12    10    8    13    6    9    7    11    12    11    Ret    9                         68
12    Japan Takaaki Nakagami    Honda    9    7    10    9    Ret    5    8    Ret    14    9    11    17                         62
13    Spain Joan Mir    Suzuki    8    Ret    17    Ret    16    12    6    8    7    Ret                               39
14    Spain Aleix Espargaró    Aprilia    10    9    Ret    11    12    11    Ret    12    Ret    18    14    Ret                         33
15    Italy Francesco Bagnaia    Ducati    Ret    14    9    Ret    Ret    Ret    Ret    14    17    12    7    11                         29
16    Italy Andrea Iannone    Aprilia    14    17    12    DNS    Ret    15    11    10    13    17    16    10                         27
17    Portugal Miguel Oliveira    KTM    17    11    14    18    15    16    12    13    18    13    8    Ret                         26
18    France Johann Zarco    KTM    15    15    13    14    13    17    10    Ret    Ret    14    12    Ret                         22
19    Spain Jorge Lorenzo    Honda    13    12    Ret    12    11    13    Ret    DNS             14                         21
20    Germany Stefan Bradl    Honda             10                10    15    13                            16
21    Spain Tito Rabat    Ducati    19    Ret    15    15    Ret    Ret    9    16    11    16    Ret    16                         14
22    Italy Michele Pirro    Ducati                   7                                           9
23    France Sylvain Guintoli    Suzuki                      13          20       12                         7
24    Malaysia Hafizh Syahrin    KTM    20    16    18    19    14    Ret    Ret    15    16    Ret    Ret    13                         6
25    Czech Republic Karel Abraham    Ducati    18    Ret    16    16    DSQ    14    Ret    17    15    19    15    15                         5
26    United Kingdom Bradley Smith    Aprilia    Ret          17          Ret       

 :lamer: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Rossi would still be there  :biggrin:                  
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 08:57:41 am
By some peoples comments I think we should chop every rider without a podium this year:
Italy Franco Morbidelli    Yamaha    11    Ret    5    7    7    Ret    Ret    5    9    Ret    10    5                         69
11    Spain Pol Espargaró    KTM    12    10    8    13    6    9    7    11    12    11    Ret    9                         68
12    Japan Takaaki Nakagami    Honda    9    7    10    9    Ret    5    8    Ret    14    9    11    17                         62
13    Spain Joan Mir    Suzuki    8    Ret    17    Ret    16    12    6    8    7    Ret                               39
14    Spain Aleix Espargaró    Aprilia    10    9    Ret    11    12    11    Ret    12    Ret    18    14    Ret                         33
15    Italy Francesco Bagnaia    Ducati    Ret    14    9    Ret    Ret    Ret    Ret    14    17    12    7    11                         29
16    Italy Andrea Iannone    Aprilia    14    17    12    DNS    Ret    15    11    10    13    17    16    10                         27
17    Portugal Miguel Oliveira    KTM    17    11    14    18    15    16    12    13    18    13    8    Ret                         26
18    France Johann Zarco    KTM    15    15    13    14    13    17    10    Ret    Ret    14    12    Ret                         22
19    Spain Jorge Lorenzo    Honda    13    12    Ret    12    11    13    Ret    DNS             14                         21
20    Germany Stefan Bradl    Honda             10                10    15    13                            16
21    Spain Tito Rabat    Ducati    19    Ret    15    15    Ret    Ret    9    16    11    16    Ret    16                         14
22    Italy Michele Pirro    Ducati                   7                                           9
23    France Sylvain Guintoli    Suzuki                      13          20       12                         7
24    Malaysia Hafizh Syahrin    KTM    20    16    18    19    14    Ret    Ret    15    16    Ret    Ret    13                         6
25    Czech Republic Karel Abraham    Ducati    18    Ret    16    16    DSQ    14    Ret    17    15    19    15    15                         5
26    United Kingdom Bradley Smith    Aprilia    Ret          17          Ret       

 :lamer: :lol8: :lol8: :lol8:
Rossi would still be there  :biggrin:

I think before we chop anyone, we need to do a test.  We select a rider from your list and then the top 3 riding  gods from WDs must race them for 10 laps.  If one WD beats the GP rider, he gets chopped. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 29, 2019, 08:59:04 am
Pick me ! Pick me  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 09:07:46 am
Karel Abraham can't be totally shit seeing as he was able to finish top of the podium in a Moto2 GP race.

All the money in the world can't buy that.

No, he is not that bad, but not looking good either.  I do have to differ from you though.  All the money in the world can buy podiums.  Racing is a "size of bank account" thing.  His best performance was 10th in the Moto2 series when he actually won a race.  Interesting that his 10th in the Moto2 championship is the same as the best performance by Fabio Quartararo.

If you consider that he is only riding for a proper team since 2015 (previously he was a single rider in his Dad's team). albeit a Ducati customer team, he is doing okay.  I think he does crash a lot but that comes when a rider rides a donkey like a race horse.  Examples are our own Darryn Binder and even Brad during his earlier Moto3 career.  If the rumour is true that Avintia will become the Suzuki satellite team next season, I am looking forward to see Karl on a halfway decent bike. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 10:26:11 am
Pick me ! Pick me  :imaposer:

Please present your riding god credentials to me for scrutiny.   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on August 29, 2019, 10:28:29 am
I would have liked to see Rossi ride if the Yamaha had the same topend than the other bikes. I think he still has it to ride better than he does at the moment.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on August 29, 2019, 10:31:28 am
Pick me ! Pick me  :imaposer:

Please present your riding god credentials to me for scrutiny.   ;)

I have played in the kitty litter a lot  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 10:35:15 am
Pick me ! Pick me  :imaposer:

Please present your riding god credentials to me for scrutiny.   ;)

I have played in the kitty litter a lot  :biggrin:

You sound qualified.  Also, your ride a KLR which is perfect for racing .....





.... in the kitty litter!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 29, 2019, 10:37:15 am
I would have liked to see Rossi ride if the Yamaha had the same topend than the other bikes. I think he still has it to ride better than he does at the moment.

The Yamaha not only struggles with top end, but also it makes its top end later down the straight due to lack of decent edge grip, but like you I believe he can still be the champion on a competitive bike.  That said, when he was younger he could be champion on a slightly worse than competitive bike.  I think he has lost that edge.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on August 30, 2019, 10:31:14 am
Bad news is that Steven Odendaal and NTS RW Racing Moto2 will go separate ways immediately.  Steven will not even complete the season with NTS.  One can only wonder what happened since Steven brought them the European Moto2 title 2 years ago.  I wonder if Steven's Dad ran out of cash to inject into the team?


Moto GP Testing from Misano yesterday:

1.  Quartararo - Yamahawhat?
2.  Morbidelli - Yamaha
3.  MM - Honda
4.  Vinales - Yamaha
5.  VR - Yamaha
6.  Espargaro, P - KTM
7.  Pirro - Ducati
8.  Zarco - KTM
9.  Mir - Suzuki
10.  Nakagami - Honda

Apparantly both MV and VR also tested carbon fibre swing arms and MM a bike with a carbon fibre frame.

All four Yamahas in top 5.  Pity there is no trophy for winning at testing.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rooikoos on September 01, 2019, 01:00:24 pm
Even though he is in the air Dovi is still looking through the corner


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sonny on September 01, 2019, 03:22:13 pm
Incredible picture.....bet you Dovi still thought he can save it   O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on September 01, 2019, 06:58:36 pm
Never mind Dovi, MM woulda saved Quatararo's slip.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 01, 2019, 08:00:35 pm
Never mind Dovi, MM woulda saved Quatararo's slip.

Pity he could not save Rins' slip. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: adamktm on September 01, 2019, 10:12:41 pm
Even though he is in the air Dovi is still looking through the corner


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

He’s saying “aaaaaahhhhh fook, der goes the little fucker again”
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Cracker on September 02, 2019, 06:55:44 am
Never mind Dovi, MM woulda saved Quatararo's slip.

Pity he could not save Rins' slip. :ricky: :ricky:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

I tell you what, though, it's nice to see there are those that can finally beat MM. No-one is quite as good as him but he can be beaten on any given day, by someone.

Would love it to be Rossi but I can't really see that happening again soon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 07:24:44 am
Never mind Dovi, MM woulda saved Quatararo's slip.

Pity he could not save Rins' slip. :ricky: :ricky:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

I tell you what, though, it's nice to see there are those that can finally beat MM. No-one is quite as good as him but he can be beaten on any given day, by someone.

Would love it to be Rossi but I can't really see that happening again soon.

I really believe Rossi's time to be over, and why not? He is 40 years of age and has achieved so much that one cannot really expect him to be as hungry as the youngsters.

One of the things that makes Rossi really remarkable is his willingness to move to other makes. It worked well when he moved from the highly successful Honda team to the 4stroke underdogs Yamaha,

not so well when he moved from the highly successful Yamaha team to the dogs Ducati. 

Whether you like him or loathe him, Valentino Rossi is the biggest name ever to come from the premier class of motorcycle racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 02, 2019, 09:02:52 am
Friday Testing from Misano:

1   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   1m 31.639s
2   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +0.476s
3   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.614s
4   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.750s
5   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)   +0.766s
6   Maverick Vinales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.937s
7   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   +0.968s
8   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +1.101s
9   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +1.261s
10   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +1.266s
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 02, 2019, 09:03:03 am
Even though he is in the air Dovi is still looking through the corner

He was looking at where he'd possibly want to land on his wheels!! ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 09:52:58 am
Friday Testing from Misano:

1   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   1m 31.639s
2   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +0.476s
3   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.614s
4   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.750s
5   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)   +0.766s
6   Maverick Vinales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.937s
7   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   +0.968s
8   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +1.101s
9   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +1.261s
10   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +1.266s

Marc Marques is not an honest person. :biggrin: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 02, 2019, 11:24:10 am
Friday Testing from Misano:

1   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)*   1m 31.639s
2   Danilo Petrucci   ITA   Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19)   +0.476s
3   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Petronas Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.614s
4   Valentino Rossi   ITA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.750s
5   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Ducati (Desmosedici)   +0.766s
6   Maverick Vinales   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.937s
7   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Pramac Ducati (GP18)*   +0.968s
8   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   LCR Honda (RC213V)   +1.101s
9   Aleix Espargaro   SPA   Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)   +1.261s
10   Marc Marquez   SPA   Repsol Honda (RC213V)   +1.266s

Marc Marques is not an honest person. :biggrin: :thumleft:

Keep in mind he tested a new carbon fiber frame, so he may well be honest, but the frame needs work and of course, Yamaha is testing their new, upgraded, with almost more power engines for the 2080 season.  (No typo).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on September 02, 2019, 02:07:50 pm
Even though he is in the air Dovi is still looking through the corner

He was looking at where he'd possibly want to land on his wheels!! ;)

It happened so fast he was still looking through the corner, people just don't realize how much distance is covered in a very short time on these machines.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on September 02, 2019, 02:09:57 pm
And no one at Ducati listened to Rossi regarding their crap carbon fiber add-ons when he was there, change in Ducati came after he left and they realised they were peeing on the wrong tree with their development.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 02, 2019, 02:50:39 pm
And no one at Ducati listened to Rossi regarding their crap carbon fiber add-ons when he was there, change in Ducati came after he left and they realised they were peeing on the wrong tree with their development.

It seems Honda is now out to prove Ducati should have continued to develop a carbon fiber frame.  It would be interesting to see if Honda can make it work though. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 02, 2019, 03:23:48 pm
And no one at Ducati listened to Rossi regarding their crap carbon fiber add-ons when he was there, change in Ducati came after he left and they realised they were peeing on the wrong tree with their development.

It seems Honda is now out to prove Ducati should have continued to develop a carbon fiber frame.  It would be interesting to see if Honda can make it work though.

As long as they do not use Britten's CF front forks. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Antonie on September 06, 2019, 11:43:08 am
I guess not really on topic but:
crash.net/f1/news/928477/1/norris-race-rossi-tribute-helmet-monza

Nice!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on September 06, 2019, 03:09:28 pm
I thought he was sponsored by AGV helmets
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rough Rider on September 07, 2019, 11:13:38 am
I thought he was sponsored by AGV helmets

I thought he owns AGV and Dainese
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 11, 2019, 08:45:00 am
There are always some marketing stuff done by the MotoGP riders prior to a GP in the town where the GP is hosted.  It is part of the team's contracts with Dorna.  So, yesterday, as part of this, VR46 got one of his big wishes.  He got to ride his M1 from his home in Tuvilia to the Misano circuit.  While just a marketing thing to raise excitement and awareness prior to the race, it was rather cool to watch some videos of him doing this.  Awesome when he parks at the entrance to Misano, stopped by the gate guard, to present ID.

Anyway, the main thing for me was hearing a MGP bike riding alone.  Wow!  Angry little buggers, they are.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on September 11, 2019, 08:55:21 am
Where did you view this video, cant see it on my motogp app. I only see the article.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 11, 2019, 09:55:34 am
Where did you view this video, cant see it on my motogp app. I only see the article.

I think it was on the Yamaha Racing Facebook page.  Let me see if I can find it.

[EDIT]

Videos are here.  I have no idea how to share them on WD.

https://www.facebook.com/yamahamotogp/

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on September 11, 2019, 10:38:55 am
Thank you.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sputnik080 on September 13, 2019, 11:53:15 am
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 13, 2019, 12:28:19 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sputnik080 on September 13, 2019, 12:29:51 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)

Nou ek is net mooi tussen in Oom  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rooikoos on September 13, 2019, 12:52:21 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)

Nou ek is net mooi tussen in Oom  :lol8:

Nie die heel beste nie, maar hierie link werk heel ok vir my.
https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide (https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide)

Click op +Motorsport, en dan kies jy die dag, dan wys dit al die motorsport wat op SS uitgesaai word vir daai dag

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sputnik080 on September 13, 2019, 12:57:28 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)

Nou ek is net mooi tussen in Oom  :lol8:

Nie die heel beste nie, maar hierie link werk heel ok vir my.
https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide (https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide)

Click op +Motorsport, en dan kies jy die dag, dan wys dit al die motorsport wat op SS uitgesaai word vir daai dag

Dankie mater! Ek gaan daai een hou!


Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Rooikoos on September 13, 2019, 12:59:07 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)

Nou ek is net mooi tussen in Oom  :lol8:

Nie die heel beste nie, maar hierie link werk heel ok vir my.
https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide (https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide)

Click op +Motorsport, en dan kies jy die dag, dan wys dit al die motorsport wat op SS uitgesaai word vir daai dag

Dankie mater! Ek gaan daai een hou!

Ek sien hierdie naweek is leeeeeeeekker vol! Sommer SBK en GP!

My plesier!
Ek sit hierdie naweek net op die bank voor die tv!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: I&horse on September 13, 2019, 12:59:57 pm
Gaan maar net motogp.com toe, click op calendar, kies die track en click schedule, S/S saai dit live uit
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sputnik080 on September 13, 2019, 01:01:52 pm
Gents, I permanently find myself googling and sukkeling to find the schedules (dates) & times for the MotoGP & WSBK.

Do you guys maybe have a trustworthy link I could use every weekend to check when is what being broadcast on SS?

I sometimes get the desired info, but that's after a loooooong search party, and often it's not correct. #facepalm

I might be "young", but I am slightly technologically challenged when it comes to Google.

Ek moet altyd my gat af sukkel om die regte goed te kry, gebruik seker maar nie die regte bewoording in my searches nie.
Ek probeer nie eens nie, helemal te erg BBC. (born before computers)

Nou ek is net mooi tussen in Oom  :lol8:

Nie die heel beste nie, maar hierie link werk heel ok vir my.
https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide (https://www.supersport.com/tv-guide)

Click op +Motorsport, en dan kies jy die dag, dan wys dit al die motorsport wat op SS uitgesaai word vir daai dag

Dankie mater! Ek gaan daai een hou!

Ek sien hierdie naweek is leeeeeeeekker vol! Sommer SBK en GP!

My plesier!
Ek sit hierdie naweek net op die bank voor die tv!

Ek sien hoekom! :lol8:

Ongelukkig het ek kar service om te doen Saterdag.....maar Sondag is dit SO!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 13, 2019, 01:07:28 pm
Misano FP1:

Darryn: 14th
Stephen:  Not racing in Moto2 anymore.
Brad:  Moerofa highside on lap 1.  Rider okay, but no laps done during FP1 - bike at panel beaters.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 14, 2019, 07:19:58 am
Misano FP2:

Darryn: 12
Brad: 22

In MotoGP those Yamahas seems to have found something.  FP1 all four in top 7 and in FP2 all four in top 5.  Of course young MM in between them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Solo on September 14, 2019, 06:01:23 pm
Pol sticks the the KTM on the middle of the front row. Zarco is 8th.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/929140/1/misano-motogp-full-qualifying-results

MM & VR summoned by stewards re an almost clash during qualifying.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/929146/1/marquez-i-dont-know-what-rossis-intention-was

edit: added Zarco
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 15, 2019, 06:58:10 am
Pol sticks the the KTM on the middle of the front row.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/929140/1/misano-motogp-full-qualifying-results

MM & VR summoned by stewards re a almost clash during qualifying.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/929146/1/marquez-i-dont-know-what-rossis-intention-was

Stewards decided not to penalize either.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/929156/1/fim-stewards-no-further-action-after-rossi-marquez-incident

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/929153/1/rossi-he-made-me-lose-lot-time

MM's technique during QP the last few races does surprise me a bit though.  Why slipstream Rossi?  There are faster riders to slipstream and also, VR is no contest for him so no need to try and pysch him. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: billy-joe on September 15, 2019, 07:08:51 am
its a bit disappointing watching how mm goes about qualifying lately.  almost seem as if hes intentionally screwing up VR's lap there!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on September 15, 2019, 07:54:29 am
 :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:

Its racing, things get heated. Between these two its personal.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 15, 2019, 08:20:09 am
MM is guilty, clear as daylight.

Just watch the video, then read MM's own words.

MM met up with Rossi in the mainstraight, and instead of passing he followed VR??

MM seems to have a personal thing against VR, one that he better forget, as he was already decked once before in his one of his childish "things" against the grand master. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 15, 2019, 08:24:32 am
its a bit disappointing watching how mm goes about qualifying lately.  almost seem as if hes intentionally screwing up VR's lap there!

Like I said, I have no idea what his strategy is.  When he passed VR on the inside he was 0,2s up on the pole time and on his way to pole, but he caused himself to run wide, exceed track limits and the time would have been cancelled.  It is a very strange "mistake" to make under those conditions. 

MM is guilty, clear as daylight.

Just watch the video, then read MM's own words.

MM met up with Rossi in the mainstraight, and instead of passing he followed VR??



Add to that, that when he removed his helmet in his pit, he was smiling, even laughing.  Clearly not upset about the incident.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on September 15, 2019, 08:31:54 am
MM is guilty, clear as daylight.

Just watch the video, then read MM's own words.

MM met up with Rossi in the mainstraight, and instead of passing he followed VR??

MM seems to have a personal thing against VR, one that he better forget, as he was already decked once before in his one of his childish "things" against the grand master. :ricky:

 :crybaby2: :crybaby2:

As MM said. He has no need for niggles with VR46 since he is not a threat to his champion aspirations this year.  Its normal for old has beens to act in a vindictive way. 

I do expect a tough race today.  Got a feeling MM is going to end up in the kitty litter..

What time does it start.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Kamanya on September 15, 2019, 08:46:22 am
@kilroy(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190915/9bab8b18b11ed35b59ae16590db566d7.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 15, 2019, 09:02:14 am
MM is guilty, clear as daylight.

Just watch the video, then read MM's own words.

MM met up with Rossi in the mainstraight, and instead of passing he followed VR??

MM seems to have a personal thing against VR, one that he better forget, as he was already decked once before in his one of his childish "things" against the grand master. :ricky:

 :crybaby2: :crybaby2:

As MM said. He has no need for niggles with VR46 since he is not a threat to his champion aspirations this year.  Its normal for old has beens to act in a vindictive way. 

I do expect a tough race today.  Got a feeling MM is going to end up in the kitty litter..

What time does it start.

Nowhere was it clearer than at the Assen 2019 race, how VR absolutely dominates MotoGP popularity, even in his "old age".

This is, imo, what gets under MM's skin. Super talented, reigning WC, with an old GOAT showing you up as the small man. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on September 15, 2019, 09:10:06 am
The world of celebrity sportsmen.  Like in Soccer,   Not something to boast about.  Sad reflection on our world

Just remember. Rossi beat Biaggi, Marc beat Rossi..

May the rivalry continue, but plse, but plse let VR retire in peace...  we need new heroes 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: ktmmer on September 15, 2019, 10:28:03 am
Any simple live streaming site suggestions?   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Brink on September 15, 2019, 11:23:44 am
Any simple live streaming site suggestions?
See if you can install Redbox - plenty sports channels
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 15, 2019, 12:10:53 pm
As MM said. He has no need for niggles with VR46 since he is not a threat to his champion aspirations this year.  Its normal for old has beens to act in a vindictive way. 

I do expect a tough race today.  Got a feeling MM is going to end up in the kitty litter..

What time does it start.

MM said that?  He must have been drunk when he said that.  This is the umpteeth race where he slipstreamed VR during qualifying.  Seems MM doesn't understand the situation himself.  Perhaps we can send you as our emissary to go explain it to him?   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on September 15, 2019, 02:37:03 pm
Masterclass performance from MM :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: TheBear on September 15, 2019, 04:39:54 pm
Masterclass performance from MM :laughing4:

During the race, for sure. 

During QP, not so much.  I look at the masterclass performance MM produced during the race and I again ask, why does he feel the need to silpstream VR during QPs?  It makes no sense.

Did you see how he effortlessly blasted past FQ on the straight when he decided to go? Apart from MM's obvious capabilities,  I am sure that (**&*_^ Honda is a 1200!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on September 15, 2019, 05:57:11 pm
Masterclass performance from MM :laughing4:

During the race, for sure. 

During QP, not so much.  I look at the masterclass performance MM produced during the race and I again ask, why does he feel the need to silpstream VR during QPs?  It makes no sense.

Like it, don't like it MM 93 is the king of Moto GP..... No theories will undo the man's ruthless brilliance  ;) ( This from a devoted VR 46 fan ! )   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Epilot on September 15, 2019, 06:31:20 pm
It’s not about the bike. Top 5 4 Yamahas and1 Honda!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 15, 2019, 06:43:10 pm
Masterclass performance from MM :laughing4:

During the race, for sure. 

During QP, not so much.  I look at the masterclass performance MM produced during the race and I again ask, why does he feel the need to silpstream VR during QPs?  It makes no sense.

Like it, don't like it MM 93 is the king of Moto GP..... No theories will undo the man's ruthless brilliance  ;) ( This from a devoted VR 46 fan ! )

He is the king of MotoGP, which makes it hard to understand his thing with a competitor that seems to be no challenge anymore.

The only plausible reason is jealousy of VR's status amongst the crowd. Really, what else?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: peter stuyvesant on September 15, 2019, 07:10:07 pm
Can't understand why all the 93/46 bull. 46 is already a legend and Marc is brilliant but not a legend, just a twatwaffle  :3some:
Rossi is past his best but at his age, still better than 80% of the rest of the field. Let's see if Marcy can even still sit on a bike at 40, let alone still be competitive.
Honda has nothing without Marc. I say put him on the Aprilia or Ktm and let the games begin.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 15, 2019, 10:22:46 pm
Can't understand why all the 93/46 bull. 46 is already a legend and Marc is brilliant but not a legend, just a twatwaffle  :3some:
Rossi is past his best but at his age, still better than 80% of the rest of the field. Let's see if Marcy can even still sit on a bike at 40, let alone still be competitive.
Honda has nothing without Marc. I say put him on the Aprilia or Ktm and let the games begin.

Indeed, VR is a man of stature, comfortable in the company of names like Ago, Roberts, Dunlop, etc, while MM is just the boy.

MM seriously needs to become more mature, then he may also have a hope of commanding some measure of respect.

Talented as he is, that alone won't bring him even vaguely close to VR46 status.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on September 15, 2019, 11:30:18 pm
 I say put him on the Aprilia or Ktm and let the games begin.

I have often wondered how MM would do if he were to change bikes next year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: DR BIG 750 on September 16, 2019, 05:01:43 am
MM is a little proes straat pretoria :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: KiLRoy on September 16, 2019, 06:08:34 am
Ito motogp/500 titles

1 agostini - 8
2 rossi - 7
3 mm - 5 (on his way to 6) at age 26

Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: mox on September 16, 2019, 06:22:58 am
Ito motogp/500 titles


1 rossi - 7

Fixed
Title: Re: MotoGP 2019
Post by: Sheepman on September 16, 2019, 07:56:39 am
Masterclass performance from MM :laughing4:

During the race, for sure. 

During QP, not so much.  I look at the masterclass performance MM produced during