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Title: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on November 14, 2018, 02:55:47 pm
Hey guys,

Since getting the bike I have gone through 2 TKC80's and I've covered 5000km's.

So the milage is a little shorter than I would like, but my last TKC had small rips and the knoblies started to shred, which I've not had before.

So I'm thinking about trying something different:

Dunlop 606
Pirelli MT21
Michelin Desert rally
Mitas E-12

Anyone had some better feel specifically when fitted on the 701 ?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on November 14, 2018, 03:07:52 pm
Have a look at the MotoZ tractionator adventure or Dessert tires. I am going to try the tractionator adventure next.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: drewdza on November 14, 2018, 06:22:27 pm
My rear TKC lasted around 4000km. Replaced with E12 which was around R500 cheaper. Have just returned from first trip (Ben10 in EC) and very happy so far. Tar behaviour is pretty good, even twisties. On dirt (including mud and rocks) it is really good - hooks up better than TKC (which was pretty good actually). Never had any issues including "Bastardvoet". Can't comment on sand. It is however looking pretty sad after <1000km.....although much of that is due to general abuse.....as is the wont on a 701....I'll be happy if it makes it to 3000km. Will buy again  :thumleft:

Mate on 690 had new Tractionator Deserts fitted for same trip. Very good on dirt but life threateningly awful on tar - max 130km/h....Tractionator Adventure looks like a better option  :thumleft:

PS: I cant see any (proper) rear lasting more than 4-5000km on a 701.........
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on November 15, 2018, 11:27:22 am
Did quite a bit of reading last night ... there seems to be a general consensus that the D606 is one of the best rear tyres along with the Michelin Desert race.

For the front its all over the show .... MT21, MT18, MT16, AC10, and quite a few others.

E-09 also features for a rear.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Dwerg on November 15, 2018, 11:42:02 am
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on November 15, 2018, 11:46:54 am
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Dwerg on November 15, 2018, 11:55:22 am
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on November 15, 2018, 12:04:58 pm
I cant see any (proper) rear lasting more than 4-5000km on a 701

I agree, in fact I'd be happy with 3000km, however with decent grip on & off.
My current (oem) TKC's, now at 1250km, I find only ok-ish offroad, and 'fine' on tar.
The rear wears square way too quickly through, I blame the hoon on the cable.
But a better tyre, less quick wearing please, will be good to have, hence me watching here.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2018, 06:28:37 am
Presently running the E12 rear and very happy with dirt hook up and hardtop. Longevity will have to see as tread depth is not a deep as a E09 and I see it has a green stripe which means soft compound normally.  Many say this will become the E09 successor. Unfortunately (or more like fortunately in other ways) I now have another tyre eating bike like the HP2  >:D
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 26, 2018, 08:02:30 am
I go the happy medium route and do not fit aggressive tyres on my bike.

The cost and effort of frequent tyre changes is not worth the small amount of extra grip from aggressive knobblies.

I only ride with rear Mitas E-07, and front MT21 Pirelli rally-cross.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Operator on November 26, 2018, 09:11:57 am
I had a Karoo 3 at the back and paid R2300 for it.
Got about 2300 km on it.   At R1,00 per kilometer, I dont find it very economical.
Maybe if I'm not so throttle-happy the tyre wouldve last longer though  :snorting:   :lol8:

The Karoo however is fantastic tyre in all conditions.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on November 26, 2018, 10:19:01 am
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.

@Dwerg are you using the 130/90/18 D606 tyre. Apparently we don't get the 140/80/18 in the cape ?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on November 26, 2018, 10:21:16 am
Operator,

the Karoo 3 or the Karoo 3 Enduro?
Googlepics shows me 2 variants....
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Dwerg on November 26, 2018, 10:29:23 am
I've used pretty much every tyre mentioned here. My current pick for the 690 is D606 rear and Mitas C19 front. All the aggressive sets I've tried give more or less 3000kms. E09 lasts a little better but it's a MF to change by hand

The C19 is pretty aggressive looking ... are you riding much tar with it (to get to the destination) ?

I prefer very aggressive fronts. They are usually very cheap and lasts as long as most rears.

I don't do much touring, mostly just dirt with very little tar. I have ridden a fair bit of tar with a Dunlop AT81 which is virtually identical and it was fine.

@Dwerg are you using the 130/90/18 D606 tyre. Apparently we don't get the 140/80/18 in the cape ?

I don't think it comes in a 140/18. I've used 120 and 130. 130 is already a pretty bulky tyre
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Operator on November 26, 2018, 01:46:11 pm
Operator,

the Karoo 3 or the Karoo 3 Enduro?
Googlepics shows me 2 variants....

Dont know......

You get the Karoo 3 Enduro and the Karoo 3 street.
I had the Enduro
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on November 27, 2018, 11:48:52 am
ok ... so I'm going to try the following setup:

Front: MT21
Rear: D606

Will keep you updated on how this works.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on November 27, 2018, 04:22:03 pm
ok ... so I'm going to try the following setup:

Front: MT21
Rear: D606

Will keep you updated on how this works.

Before you commit to this I suggest you strongly consider -
Front: MT21
Rear: Motoz Desert H/T

The Motoz gives good life and good offroad grip.  Perfectly acceptable road manners although feels a little sketchy when new and not yet worn a bit.  First one gave me 8000 kms of tar and dirt.  Was well and truly finished by then.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on January 02, 2019, 08:24:52 am
So after a few thousand km's here is my feedback.

MT21 - Great tyre, worked really well for me. Full confidence in it, and didn't come close to loosing the front end once. On road tyre was good, road holding was just about as good as the TKC80. Only down side for me is that on the loose stuff it felt like it was trying to find a groove.

D606 - Also found this to be a very good tyre. Road holding felt like it was about 10-15% less than TKC80, with it getting a little unsettled if I pushed hard. But for the on road loss, you gain better grip off road. I'll probably get about 2500 km's from the rear, which is the same from the TKC80, but given the price, makes it a much better proposition.

I think that I'm going to be using this going forward ... or possibly try the MT21 on the back.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2019, 08:49:53 am
Thanks for the feedback, Mark. I want to try the Motoz Desert on the back. Presently got Mitas E12 back and TKC80 front. Working fine on and off, but while I used to go to the TKC front (esp on the HP2) I now want a more aggressive tyre up front. The Motoz fronts have not had such great reviews so need to decide what to use - been happy with a Mitas C27 front on the Husky 610 so may try that on the 701.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on January 02, 2019, 09:52:53 am
Try the MT21 ... dirt cheap and pretty good in my opinion.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2019, 11:01:50 am
Try the MT21 ... dirt cheap and pretty good in my opinion.

I remember using it some time back - I even think I ran it tubeless once on the HP2 ... will have another look at it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on February 19, 2019, 11:25:00 am
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 19, 2019, 12:51:42 pm
My Mitas E12 rear is toast - need to check km's but doubt it is much more than 2000km if that. Was new when I got the bike but a green stripe - WTF? I still have a TKC on the front with some life so may keep that but am going to get a Motoz Tractionator Desert for the rear. I am also keen to fit TuBliss so may do a front as well  - decisions, decisions. I have not heard good things about the Motoz front so will not go that route.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on February 19, 2019, 12:56:11 pm
My Mitas E12 rear is toast - need to check km's but doubt it is much more than 2000km if that. Was new when I got the bike but a green stripe - WTF? I still have a TKC on the front with some life so may keep that but am going to get a Motoz Tractionator Desert for the rear. I am also keen to fit TuBliss so may do a front as well  - decisions, decisions. I have not heard good things about the Motoz front so will not go that route.

Pretty much heard the same about the front. Rear seems to have good reviews.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 19, 2019, 09:07:26 pm
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on February 20, 2019, 09:33:47 am
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.

Jeez, the prices really makes this choice interesting... I see the tractionator adventure is also double the price of the D606
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on February 20, 2019, 09:45:44 am
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.

Yes, using the 130/90/18 ... we don't have a 140 available here. But the 130/90 gives pretty much the same profile as the 140/80/18.

Unfortunately the GT is pretty pricey too and very few stock it here in CT.

So D606 it is for me ;-)
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: KTMjedi on February 20, 2019, 10:36:58 am
My Mitas E12 rear is toast - need to check km's but doubt it is much more than 2000km if that. Was new when I got the bike but a green stripe - WTF? I still have a TKC on the front with some life so may keep that but am going to get a Motoz Tractionator Desert for the rear. I am also keen to fit TuBliss so may do a front as well  - decisions, decisions. I have not heard good things about the Motoz front so will not go that route.
The E-12 was developed for the Dakar and other similar races. Chris Birch won the Hellas rally on the E-12 rear and E-13 front tyres. The green strip actually is representation of the carcase as well as the compound. They lightened the carcase using Kevlar etc which is why it has a green stripe not so much the compound. The E-09 does have a slightly tougher carcase and harder compound thou as we only bring it in the "Dakar" version.
another tyre to consider is the MC23 as it is really well priced making it very good value for money!
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 20, 2019, 12:07:09 pm
Thanks Darren - yes the E09 has always been my go-to tyre for the HP2 and even the Husky TE610, although have used the C02 quite a bit on it as well. I bought the bike with the E12 fitted and has handled very well - just a short lifespan.
I was just keen to try the Tractionator Desert as something new but also was looking at what else was out there that guys are using with success on the 701. Pricing seems very keen on some sizes and tyres these days which is good for the market and riders (esp those that go through them quickly  >:D). Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on February 20, 2019, 12:31:51 pm
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.

Wow, that price has shot up.  As much as I like the Motoz, if this is the price difference then I will be switching back to the D606 as well.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 23, 2019, 10:38:03 am
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.

OK - I must correct my statement . I could get one and a half 130 606's for the cost of a ONE 140 Tractionator Desert. I discovered the price difference between a 140 and a 150 is R1000! I had been quoted on a 150. There always seems to be a jump to the 150 size but a K - Joh!  So may yet try the Desert for shits and giggles - more giggles though I hope.  :biggrin:

Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on February 23, 2019, 12:24:11 pm
I was quoted R1400 for the motoz tractionator adventure. I ordered one and will give feedback once fitted...
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 23, 2019, 12:30:46 pm
I was quoted R1400 for the motoz tractionator adventure. I ordered one and will give feedback once fitted...

Yes I think RRP is R1450 for the Desert and also have one on order. Wanted something a bit more gnarly than the Adventure. Let see  :ricky:
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: gser on February 24, 2019, 10:09:30 am
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Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on February 25, 2019, 05:13:57 pm
So ... 2800km's and rear (D606) is pretty much done ... so a little more mileage than I got on my TKC80.

I must say that I really like this tyre. Road holding is good and off road I feel its better than the TKC80.

I went through Anysberg nature reserve on Sunday which is lekker 4x4 track ... they handled great.

Front is still holding up well too (MT21).

I'll be using the D606 again.

Are you using the 606 in 130/90-18?

Actually just pricing tyres and one can virtually get three 606's for the price of a Motoz Desert! Sorry but it starts becoming a no-brainer. 

A friend was recommending the Golden Tyre GT723R for the front in a 100/90 - a bit of a nice fatty evidently.

OK - I must correct my statement . I could get one and a half 130 606's for the cost of a ONE 140 Tractionator Desert. I discovered the price difference between a 140 and a 150 is R1000! I had been quoted on a 150. There always seems to be a jump to the 150 size but a K - Joh!  So may yet try the Desert for shits and giggles - more giggles though I hope.  :biggrin:

Your earlier statement had me go to Flying Brick thinking I would have to swap to the D606 for future.  I was pleased to find the Desert is still at R1450 and have bought another one, my fourth one so far.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 25, 2019, 08:10:52 pm
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on February 27, 2019, 07:50:38 pm
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23

I have the Desert H/T front as well but am probably going back to the Pirelli MT21.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 27, 2019, 09:07:17 pm
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23

I have the Desert H/T front as well but am probably going back to the Pirelli MT21.

Is it noisy, unstable, sketchy,? Or just nothing special? I think I read that they had improved it - not sure in what respect?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: SparkMark on February 27, 2019, 10:15:38 pm
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23

I have the Desert H/T front as well but am probably going back to the Pirelli MT21.

Is it noisy, unstable, sketchy,? Or just nothing special? I think I read that they had improved it - not sure in what respect?


Personally for me i think it gives better traction than the TKC for the rising that I do. On road itís super stable and not noisy for me.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on February 27, 2019, 11:09:31 pm
Good to hear. Yes looks like it would be way better than a TKC. I am busy killing off a TKC front at present that came on the bike and just vacillating about a new front.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on February 28, 2019, 07:31:31 am
Remind me what you using on the front? I am thinking of trying a Mitas C23

I have the Desert H/T front as well but am probably going back to the Pirelli MT21.

Is it noisy, unstable, sketchy,? Or just nothing special? I think I read that they had improved it - not sure in what respect?


Personally for me i think it gives better traction than the TKC for the rising that I do. On road itís super stable and not noisy for me.

Rear - when new it is sensitive to grooves in the road along the direction of travel but in my view not too much.  When it wears a bit it this feeling disappears.  It is noisy between 70 and 100 on tar but to me not as bad as the D606 at slightly higher speeds.  Higher tire pressures help a little but I don't bother with that and use ear plugs.  Grip on tar (dry and wet) is okay, nothing special.  I do not ride knobblies particularly hard on twisty tar roads though.  What I love about this rear is the way it works in sand, it makes the bike pop out and stay on top of the surface like a water-skier behind a 300 hp rubber duck.  When this tire is new it has the biggest knobs of any tire I know of and that gives phenomenal traction in loose stuff.

Front - in dirt I find it often slides a little and then grips again.  Somewhat unnerving and the reason I am going to try the MT21 again.  But the current front has done about 9500 kilometres and not completely dead yet.  Road grip as above.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on March 01, 2019, 12:14:20 pm
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on March 01, 2019, 12:21:19 pm
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

As I read it, "it" refers to the MotoZ Desert HT tires  :o
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 01, 2019, 12:38:43 pm
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

As I read it, "it" refers to the MotoZ Desert HT tires  :o

Yes it for the Rear and also it for the Front - both have headings. And Yes MotoZ Trac Desert HT from my understanding.  :thumleft: :3some:

My problem at the moment is actually trying to get the local supplier to play ball ... yes he obviously is not selling them hand over fist at this stage but has been slack. Spoke to Steve about it and then had some movement but radio silence again ... Tick Tock ... really wanted it on for the weekend.  :-\
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on March 01, 2019, 06:48:44 pm
"it"

Which it?
I am blonde, did re-read the various quotes but no less than 3 tyres are mentioned....  :-\
Please help dummy-me?
Reason is 'it' is very well described for a change, so I'd like to know which it it refers to  ;)

Sorry about not being clear, my description above refers to the Motoz Tractionator Desert H/T tires.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on March 01, 2019, 08:31:52 pm
Dankie Amsterdam,

en daarmee is ek officially dummer than w@nted & BD!
Oh well, I'll live with it  :P ;)

I just may try that tyre at the rear.... and, when it proves abysmal then expect loadsa denigrating hatemail of course!  :thumleft:


Mooi naweek almal!
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2019, 01:51:16 pm
Still fucking waiting for my Tractionator Desert  :dousing:  Sharwoods have been pathetic and SGC have been moving  premises... at least three weeks of rondvok and nada! Ready to jetison the idea of trying Motoz.  :-[
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: Amsterdam on March 08, 2019, 07:46:50 am
Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on March 08, 2019, 08:06:03 am


Quote from: Amsterdam on Today at 07:46:50 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=231244.msg4219498#msg4219498)>Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2935) can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
Dom:
we have good stock of Tractionator Desert FRONTS (90x100x21)...
We ordered - and were invoiced yesterday, for 3 x 140 Desert REARS, which should arrive today, at lunch.
Dom, let me know if you want to assist, have in any case RESERVED one of each for you, just in case.
Cheers! Chris & Team


Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 08, 2019, 11:21:07 am


Quote from: Amsterdam on Today at 07:46:50 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=231244.msg4219498#msg4219498)>Maybe Chris @zebra - Flying Brick (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2935) can help you although I think I got the last one from them recently.
Dom:
we have good stock of Tractionator Desert FRONTS (90x100x21)...
We ordered - and were invoiced yesterday, for 3 x 140 Desert REARS, which should arrive today, at lunch.
Dom, let me know if you want to assist, have in any case RESERVED one of each for you, just in case.
Cheers! Chris & Team


Thanks Chris - really appreciated. I was thinking if there was a next time maybe I must just get from you but obviously extra transport. Just frustrating that the local agents seem to have their fingers in some orifice and cannet get their act together. I am guessing because they do not sell that many of them they do not keep in stock and then are slow on the ordering. I have rattled cages and phoned Steve to do the same and still no action. Just really pissed off and about to go get another E09 and fuck Motoz!
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on March 08, 2019, 12:24:30 pm
Just frustrating that the local agents seem to have their fingers in some orifice and cannet get their act together. I am guessing because they do not sell that many of them they do not keep in stock and then are slow on the ordering. I have rattled cages and phoned Steve to do the same and still no action. Just really pissed off and about to go get another E09 and fuck Motoz!

Ah, the worldwide famous Capetonian Business Practice, also renowned in the rest of SA!
Hell Chris, no wonder you do well  :thumleft:
 :lol8:

Cheers okes, have a lekker weekend!
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: drewdza on March 08, 2019, 01:23:51 pm
Not sure if I'm that impressed with the rear Motoz Desert....Mate had one fitted to his 690 for a trip to Verneukpan last weekend and he was the only one who collected a puncture  ;). He also bitches about the handling on tar and hard pack dirt - claims it walks around constantly - it's only speed rated to 130km/h. On the plus side it looks awesome  8), has great hook up in the loose and, strangely, is easy to slip off/onto the rim during a puncture repair (sidewall is pliant vv E09/E12). Also looks good for at least 5000km.

E12 on the rear of my 701 is much better on tar/hard pack and pretty damn good in the loose as well. Just don't see it making much more than 3000km though....

Not sure what to fit next.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 08, 2019, 06:30:49 pm
Not sure if I'm that impressed with the rear Motoz Desert....Mate had one fitted to his 690 for a trip to Verneukpan last weekend and he was the only one who collected a puncture  ;). He also bitches about the handling on tar and hard pack dirt - claims it walks around constantly - it's only speed rated to 130km/h. On the plus side it looks awesome  8), has great hook up in the loose and, strangely, is easy to slip off/onto the rim during a puncture repair (sidewall is pliant vv E09/E12). Also looks good for at least 5000km.

E12 on the rear of my 701 is much better on tar/hard pack and pretty damn good in the loose as well. Just don't see it making much more than 3000km though....

Not sure what to fit next.

Barely got much more than 1000km out of my E12 and really have not abused it. I see it as a single day rally tyre - kapiche.  ::)
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 11, 2019, 05:01:54 pm
My Mitas E12 rear is toast - need to check km's but doubt it is much more than 2000km if that. Was new when I got the bike but a green stripe - WTF? I still have a TKC on the front with some life so may keep that but am going to get a Motoz Tractionator Desert for the rear. I am also keen to fit TuBliss so may do a front as well  - decisions, decisions. I have not heard good things about the Motoz front so will not go that route.
The E-12 was developed for the Dakar and other similar races. Chris Birch won the Hellas rally on the E-12 rear and E-13 front tyres. The green strip actually is representation of the carcase as well as the compound. They lightened the carcase using Kevlar etc which is why it has a green stripe not so much the compound. The E-09 does have a slightly tougher carcase and harder compound thou as we only bring it in the "Dakar" version.
another tyre to consider is the MC23 as it is really well priced making it very good value for money!

Anyone tried one of these? Coming off a D606 and have ordered one. Good value at R1100 (special price) RRP is R1250

I have the dreaded weave at 140km/h so I am going to check everything is lubed,torqued and straight and will also replace the front ASAP (Also a D606)

Not sure what to try on the front
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 11, 2019, 08:47:20 pm
I am going to fit a Mitas C27 up front on the 701. Been happy with it on the the 610 and is nice and gnarly.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 12, 2019, 06:06:42 am
I run a C27 on my 250, my mate has one on his 690. He says itís a bit sketchy on wet tar, as in useless :lol8:

I donít like to ride on tar or in the rain so wonít experience that  :thumleft:

I think I may try the new E-09 on the front
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 12, 2019, 01:46:46 pm
I run a C27 on my 250, my mate has one on his 690. He says itís a bit sketchy on wet tar, as in useless :lol8:

I donít like to ride on tar or in the rain so wonít experience that  :thumleft:

I think I may try the new E-09 on the front

How is the new E09 different to the previosu?  Ja use the C27 also on a 250xcw  :biggrin:  BTW - I generally advice taking it easy on wet tar with knobblies anyway  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 12, 2019, 03:14:09 pm
Sorry, I meant the E-13
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on March 12, 2019, 03:49:11 pm
Adam, hoeth a poeth ?
 :P
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 12, 2019, 04:37:42 pm
Me, not a plastic one though  :deal:
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on March 25, 2019, 02:45:28 pm
Is there a big difference in the compound/side wall strength of the tube and tubeless version of the MotoZ tractionator adventure?

From MTB experience, the tubeless versions are more expensive with a thicker sidewall. Is this the case as well?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 25, 2019, 04:32:19 pm
Mate is very impressed wit( his MOTOZ Desert. Says it has shitloads of grip and is lasting well.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 25, 2019, 08:32:51 pm
Mate is very impressed wit( his MOTOZ Desert. Says it has shitloads of grip and is lasting well.

Just about to fit mine after waiting almost a month! When Sharwoods eventually got it they had ordered an Adventure instead of Desert despite me clearly indicating more than once what I wanted  :o .  I must say that the Adventure looks very nice as well but is like at least R500 more than the Desert! WTF?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on March 26, 2019, 08:28:08 am
Mate is very impressed wit( his MOTOZ Desert. Says it has shitloads of grip and is lasting well.

Just about to fit mine after waiting almost a month! When Sharwoods eventually got it they had ordered an Adventure instead of Desert despite me clearly indicating more than once what I wanted  :o .  I must say that the Adventure looks very nice as well but is like at least R500 more than the Desert! WTF?

My tractionator adventure arrived yesterday. I plan on picking it up today. I paid R1600, but I realised today that it is the tubed version. I believe the tubeless version is around R2k for the rear.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: adamktm on March 26, 2019, 01:38:59 pm
Does the desert also come in both options? My mate is running Tubliss
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BuRP on March 26, 2019, 02:12:53 pm
I realised today that it is the tubed version

You run Tubliss w@nted?
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: w@nted on March 26, 2019, 02:15:17 pm
I realised today that it is the tubed version

You run Tubliss w@nted?

Nope, I have normal tubes fitted with sealant in them. Done 5000 km with them with no issues/punctures. The TKC80 is finished now.


I just wonder if there is any benefit ito puncture protection due to a thicker sidewall on the tubeless motoz tires. Even when running them with tubes.
Title: Re: Tyre Choice
Post by: BiG DoM on March 26, 2019, 02:33:22 pm
Does the desert also come in both options? My mate is running Tubliss

You only get a 90/90 -21 and 150/70 -18 in the Tubeless Desert.