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Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 19, 2018, 11:55:40 am
Eish cannot balieve that with only 48 days to go there was no tread yet ??  8)
So where are the fellow junkies . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 19, 2018, 12:17:08 pm
Eish eish what a beautiful office it is . . . .  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: chicco on November 19, 2018, 12:50:13 pm
So any dogs or friends of dogs doing it? A previous work buddy, Ryan Bland,was entered but he had a big crash a couple of months ago and sustained serious injuries to his back, no more riding.....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: evansv on November 19, 2018, 12:56:57 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 19, 2018, 01:27:58 pm
So any dogs or friends of dogs doing it? A previous work buddy, Ryan Bland,was entered but he had a big crash a couple of months ago and sustained serious injuries to his back, no more riding.....
Eish sorry to hear hope he recovers good
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 19, 2018, 01:33:03 pm
Yes we need the Saffas identified  :thumleft: :thumleft:
The teams. . . I can find the Honda team but cannot confirm the KTM and Yamaha team members yet.
And then waiting to see if Coma surfaces somewhere  . . .  :patch:


HONDA Team for 2019
Kevin Benavides, Paulo Gonçalves, Joan Barreda, Ricky Brabec and José Ignacio Cornejo
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on November 19, 2018, 01:39:26 pm
Let's go ! . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: windswept on November 19, 2018, 02:35:43 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on November 19, 2018, 04:31:02 pm
Plenty Saffers riding... Ross Branch (Bots), Kenny Gilbert, Stuart Gregory (Nuts4Dakar on WD's) are 3 I can think of right now. If Ross & Kenny get the navigation right then I recon they have a good chance of a top 10 placing, both are extremely quick and skilled  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on November 19, 2018, 05:17:21 pm
I'm in
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Ventana on November 20, 2018, 04:54:04 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rokie on November 21, 2018, 11:00:22 am
There goes my productivity for the rest of the year  :biggrin:

From the Dakar 2018 Thread:
- Ross Branch and Vince Cosby from Bots
- Kenny Gilbert and Stuart Gregory from SA
- Gianna Velarde and Princess Laia as strong female contenders

From KTM and Dakar.com:
- Luciano Benavides (Kevin's younger brother) is back after breaking 5 vertebrae on Stage 10 last year
- Mattias Walkner, Toby Price, Sam Sunderland, Antoine Meo (i think) and Laia Sanz still in the KTM Factory stable
(are there 2 teams? One is the Red Bull team and the other not?)

- Not sure about others
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 21, 2018, 01:50:14 pm
Kannie Meer Wagnie
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on November 21, 2018, 02:09:01 pm
sub
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 21, 2018, 02:19:38 pm
And it seems our Australian aspirant Alien is fit . . .  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 21, 2018, 03:51:55 pm
The results for the year
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 21, 2018, 04:00:13 pm
Last year was awesome with the win still up for the grabs right to the end  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Sure wish it will be similar this year  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kawaki on November 22, 2018, 10:51:20 am
Here we go  :thumleft: :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 23, 2018, 09:38:59 am
Toby Price's machine...  O0

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/45628916_2335817906489254_1804907908190699520_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeGbYRskJ-Wo3m0P9618eyXFtbtuBNuBW6DB-Do0GOcxw18e6Cro-rrSDasiVt9OtmUqFjvS52-Y1tJmdzXN25DGWHWVa9RXpay9Ji4xgbBNUw&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=1ab485602d8b3822f92ffdbd44f4b290&oe=5C76AB6C)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on November 23, 2018, 10:07:18 am
Team HRC
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on November 23, 2018, 06:56:05 pm
Saw this in Midrand today - Toyota frame from Gazoo Racing.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 24, 2018, 06:01:11 pm
Eish dont think it can be for 2019 Dakar. . . that will be cutting it close  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 26, 2018, 11:07:33 am
Loading up, ready to ship to Peru!   :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46512136_2093146334077996_5369259116332056576_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeGqddt02HOY6PRefpym6wK7qqnV8No57fidnpZru--Keb9XHmfrky-bt_meu-qgZGTrWXTLr-_FyOHfrGqjRD2ug-HVKbYxzxGABKD2xfoLXA&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=70008e70f4c4988cbc7a6ecad696ba5b&oe=5CAC676F)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RyanI on November 26, 2018, 12:08:07 pm
Eish dont think it can be for 2019 Dakar. . . that will be cutting it close  :patch: :lol8:

It could still be for this edition or for a customer. The European cars are shipped from Le Havre (France) quite early as part of a package where they send cars, trucks, quads, bikes and backup vehices on one ship. Saves massive cost.

Toyota in SA fly their cars out to the race a few days before it starts, then normally assemble everything at a local Toyota Dealer in the start city, then do some shake down runs in an area nearby. So I would say they have until about Christmas to get a car together.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on November 26, 2018, 12:33:14 pm
Liewe moer, I was actually hoping to have a productive day, now I've spent 1.5h on dakar already today  :xxbah:

Maar, bliksem those Honda's are good looking  :drif:

Get those keyboards revved up, Let's ride  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on November 26, 2018, 01:09:15 pm
Liewe moer, I was actually hoping to have a productive day, now I've spent 1.5h on dakar already today  :xxbah:

Maar, bliksem those Honda's are good looking  :drif:

Get those keyboards revved up, Let's ride  :ricky:

Jy soek net verskoning om nie werk- onskuldige Dakar fotos tsk tsk :thumleft:

Haal uit daai vet wallet en gooi donasie
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 27, 2018, 02:42:28 pm
Red Lined Racing (Terence Marsh's outfit) will also be competing in Dakar 2019 in their custom-built Navaras.  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46999061_2136499706416342_2760953210075086848_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=c2d422affb95469222c9c47923ebd03b&oe=5CAD04C5)

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46093281_2117397748326538_2752171290444955648_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=62f46d11f9e0e60b41383938b4aa1850&oe=5C6B3186)

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46795171_2098004363592193_2632321722698694656_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=1d2ba05fba8038953ec866758da583a9&oe=5C67BF52)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RyanI on November 27, 2018, 03:19:53 pm
Red Lined Racing (Terence Marsh's outfit) will also be competing in Dakar 2019 in their custom-built Navaras.  :thumleft:

Been following Terence and his crew / workshop for a while now and helluva impressed with their approach and professionalism. I reckon they could compete with the tops boys if they had a top international driver and a little more support that side.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on November 27, 2018, 04:18:26 pm
This is even longer nights in front of the screen . . . .
Big time fun !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 27, 2018, 07:45:29 pm
Red Lined Racing (Terence Marsh's outfit) will also be competing in Dakar 2019 in their custom-built Navaras.  :thumleft:

Been following Terence and his crew / workshop for a while now and helluva impressed with their approach and professionalism. I reckon they could compete with the tops boys if they had a top international driver and a little more support that side.
No specialist when it comes to racing cars but as an avid Dakar fan i must say that it is strange that people will start teams to run this race with a bakkie when all the evidence seems to point to the buggy settup as the way to go ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 28, 2018, 12:08:46 pm
Full moto rider entry list here:

https://enduro21.com/index.php/rally/3756-dakar-2019-official-rider-entry-list-moto
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 28, 2018, 04:13:31 pm
Seems the competitors lists on the official Dakar site is also now available.
Looking here this is the local boys that i could find
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 28, 2018, 04:17:18 pm
So is the site correct that Stuart is not on a Rally Replica ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on November 29, 2018, 07:21:25 am
Sub’ed - pulling for Kenny G and Ross big time. Obviously all the best for Stuart!

No work getting done in Jan
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 29, 2018, 09:30:27 am
Lekker man, lekker!!!  :thumleft:  Give it horns!
(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47072999_777248449281489_5269990641026203648_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_eui2=AeEu8Q85zPlBneVXxW7aX8QC827BOpVf8Sy5vVMyBnKZYp7A-otMJ_DWveGu1qK-8is1f2kzRzYI9KyJEPnFfVkYsWCkGYhcFBfsPi07FpAw3Q&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=123ec967b0ce65d08523a81832cc6d6b&oe=5C6E0E61)

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/46953536_777248152614852_7896527506633654272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeFQXSzNFYZKxhEOnygXuIvS3sBo04WnvnqEk8bPF5PIrwr5o28dHUhgWTBWqwCSAHU4OQ0Qn1C5k4drwlNavdrCLPmjQn4JtApBo0XspgDXmA&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=953fc5b66f334d077442e2371f9fa655&oe=5CA7CB9C)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on November 29, 2018, 10:09:56 am
That looks like Atlantis
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Post by: boland on November 29, 2018, 11:38:33 am
I read the Toyotas are mid-engined for 2019. Hopefully they stand a good change in Peru, not that much high altitude stuff
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Post by: Snafu on November 29, 2018, 12:02:52 pm
That looks like Atlantis

Jip, dink ook so
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on November 29, 2018, 12:18:46 pm
Adrien Van Beveren is counting down the days to the 2019 Dakar Rally. Taking advantage of his sand racing skills, the Yamalube #Yamaha Rally rider will look to make this 41st edition of the prestigious event a memorable one.   :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fdur2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47206186_10161043124460487_1428125730281095168_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_eui2=AeH3ryAeLYv2QsA6aEAkdEu0U-95PXbwDadvcYbhQ90TzapDgUk1CWCU1yAQkPAEcF7rRvY7QF00jIaBFFDRbz8K-V3G08IdON8delyMQHF9fw&_nc_ht=scontent.fdur2-1.fna&oh=a4f68d5d9f27471c264ed909059d822d&oe=5CA25D43)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on November 29, 2018, 09:44:10 pm
Yes this man sure had the whole Orange Army stressed out last year. . . . Very glad he is fit and ready to keep us all on our toes  >:D :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on November 30, 2018, 11:26:42 am




Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bullit on November 30, 2018, 08:49:16 pm
Sub
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on December 03, 2018, 10:27:18 pm
So KTM team is then:
Matthias Walkner
Sam Sunderland
Toby Price
Laia Sanz
Luciano Benevides
Mario Patrao -  Waterboy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on December 04, 2018, 12:57:02 pm
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Post by: JK on December 04, 2018, 12:58:13 pm
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Post by: wiledog_X on December 06, 2018, 09:43:39 am
Toby's bike....  :drif:

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47576675_2388269667910744_5868068088284446720_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb4-1.fna&oh=2e05db370105cd235561cfde9f2e869a&oe=5C6A04BC)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on December 06, 2018, 10:24:01 am
. . . . 30 Days to Dakar Peru 2019 and counting . . . !!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on December 06, 2018, 11:03:37 am
Adrian van Beveren flying....  :eek7:   :thumleft: 

(https://scontent.fjnb4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/47254927_10161072322555487_5472302416919527424_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb4-1.fna&oh=e7f40dcb16146a7cbceccc5c5875d34a&oe=5CAAFCFE)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dustman on December 07, 2018, 12:55:53 pm
subd
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Post by: mtr89 on December 07, 2018, 09:07:48 pm
Lekker!
Cant wait for Dakar this time round
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Offroad2 on December 08, 2018, 12:58:04 pm
Lekker!
Cant wait for Dakar this time round
100% agreed last year had David, Donny, Gery & Willem at Dakar, then this year our off-road speedsters Ross Branch & Kenny Gilbert will want to perform. Plus Stuart Gregory currently at the roof is a hardened enduro rider and sure to be consistent. Next year all being well there should be two SA Ladies Taye Perry and Kirsten Landman, Donny van den Langerberg is also preparing for 2020.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on December 08, 2018, 09:40:13 pm
I really like Van Beveren and hope he can pull it off this year, especially since he self-destruct chasing himself last year  :biggrin:

The fact that he rides a Yamaha doesn't faze me at all as I've never been a brand specific person.

Cannot wait for the race to start - thanks for getting it going JK  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 12, 2018, 04:54:39 pm
That Yamaha bike looks amazing. I see its branded as a Tenere. ;D

Only 10 stages, this must be the shortest Dakar ever!? I was also surprised that never went north of Lima because there is a lot of sand and dunes that way too, almost all the way up to Ecuador. It only becomes more tropical around 200km south of the border.

The dunes fields near Marcona and Moquegua are really hard to ride. Huge dunes, hundreds of meters high, trapped in mountains. There is one dune called Cerro Blanco near Nazca which is 1,200m high and starts at 900m above sea level; I don't believe its possible to ride up it (too steep for too far), but even riding down it would be really crazy, because it has dunets on it that break the slope and these will make 90-degree changes in the down slope. If I was organising the Dakar, I would definitely include it in a stage.  Here are a few screenshots.

It is about 10km SE of Nazca (background), away from the Nazca lines and not in a sensitive area.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-jK4gsLJ/0/c55df1c8/XL/Cerro%20Blancoaa-XL.jpg)

I was able to plot two routes down the dune that have an "exit" that are not in mountains or cliff face. Navigation would be key because a wrong turn off the top could mean you end up completely trapped. the start of the route would be on the right (east) and would also make a good place to start a special stage. It is easily reached by tar road and is at an altitude of about 1700m.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-NSptvqB/0/ce8cce11/XL/Cerro%20Blancoab-XL.jpg)

The route follows a track west before going off piste and climbing 300-400m vertically up onto the crest of the dune, which would be followed for while. The blue route would turn south and drop a feew hundred metres down and over a couple of big, broken dunes before plunging really fast to 900m into a rocky valley with dry river bed. The slope looks really, really steep but would be relatively smooth as the sand is somewhat protected and less whipped up by the easterly prevailing wind.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-CWc9hhx/0/525d7fb2/XL/Cerro%20Blancoac-XL.jpg)

Another view of the lower section. Although it would less easy to make a mistake on nav here, if you were to turn off too early you might end up trapped against the rocky slope on the right side of this picture and getting out once against it could be hard or impossible,
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-2tCvX8p/0/c9cf6c72/XL/Cerro%20Blancoad-XL.jpg)

The red route finds it way down perhaps the steepest section of this dune on the north side, dropping a vertical distance of 600m in one swoop over uneven sand and probably dunettes judging from the dappled texture of the photo. 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-KqR2dsV/0/2a33ebd4/XL/Cerro%20Blancoae-XL.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-WTXH9kR/0/947d3307/XL/Cerro%20Blancoaf-XL.jpg)

Whatever, I hope they will include this dune in the 2019 route, it is something I have been looking at for years after driving past it in 2009, but never had the chance to get really close to it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on December 12, 2018, 07:48:11 pm
Hopefully Dakar will be back in Africa 2020
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 12, 2018, 08:40:27 pm
I think it might be...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 13, 2018, 05:31:41 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ROOI on December 13, 2018, 09:48:49 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on December 13, 2018, 10:41:35 am
If I could choose any two boys from our Offroad series who would do well at Dakar its Ross and Kenny G.
Would I be jinxing it to expect top 10 from both of them ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on December 13, 2018, 11:17:38 am
Guess who's back?   8) There's sure to be some fireworks coming!

 ROBBY GORDON IS BACK ON THE DAKAR! 🏎️
🇺🇸 The 4⃣9⃣years old American is back on the Dakar after 4 years!
🎙️ “I’m going to Peru and I’m targeting the general classification.”

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 13, 2018, 11:20:47 am
 O0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BLK on December 13, 2018, 11:39:07 am
Hopefully Dakar will be back in Africa 2020

It must never come back to Africa.Africa had a chance and stuffed it up.Africa is not deserving of anything.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tony the Boney on December 13, 2018, 12:03:57 pm
This is  good  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: MaxThePanda on December 13, 2018, 12:29:55 pm
If I could choose any two boys from our Offroad series who would do well at Dakar its Ross and Kenny G.
Would I be jinxing it to expect top 10 from both of them ?

I don’t want to sound non-patriotic, but I’d say there’s zero chance of that. If either of them cracks top30 I’d say it’s a hell of an achievement, and that’s a loooooong way off the top 10!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on December 13, 2018, 01:56:12 pm
Hopefully Dakar will be back in Africa 2020

It must never come back to Africa.Africa had a chance and stuffed it up.Africa is not deserving of anything.
Africa eco race has been going for about 5 or 6 years now without any issue, still the original home of Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on December 13, 2018, 02:39:59 pm
Hopefully Dakar will be back in Africa 2020

It must never come back to Africa.Africa had a chance and stuffed it up.Africa is not deserving of anything.

Great comment. Such a meaningful contribution to this thread  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on December 13, 2018, 02:46:45 pm
I'm sure I've said it before and I'll day it again, the Honda rally bikes are damn sexy  :drif:  (Ignoring the breadtin where they pack lunch of course  :lol8: )

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/5be2175db700b1.30774069.jpg)

Less than a month to go  :ricky:

And of course a pic of the flying princess Laia
(https://image.redbull.com/rbcom/052/2018-11-19/30170ecd-09d4-4d67-9041-0fb56f921d25/0012/0/0/0/4000/6000/1050/1/laia-sanz-dakar-rally-2019-training.jpg)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 13, 2018, 03:49:08 pm
If I could choose any two boys from our Offroad series who would do well at Dakar its Ross and Kenny G.
Would I be jinxing it to expect top 10 from both of them ?

I don’t want to sound non-patriotic, but I’d say there’s zero chance of that. If either of them cracks top30 I’d say it’s a hell of an achievement, and that’s a loooooong way off the top 10!

I’d say Ross has the ability, fitness and straight up speed to make top 20 but to do it in on his first attempt he would need a few “lucky” breaks


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 13, 2018, 05:14:02 pm
If I could choose any two boys from our Offroad series who would do well at Dakar its Ross and Kenny G.
Would I be jinxing it to expect top 10 from both of them ?

I don’t want to sound non-patriotic, but I’d say there’s zero chance of that. If either of them cracks top30 I’d say it’s a hell of an achievement, and that’s a loooooong way off the top 10!

I’d say Ross has the ability, fitness and straight up speed to make top 20 but to do it in on his first attempt he would need a few “lucky” breaks


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Dakar is often about all these things and more ... lets not forget NAVIGATION. The harder you work . the luckier you get. Unfortunately the truth is to run with the top professionals and factory teams is near impossible. 
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Post by: Hondsekierie on December 13, 2018, 09:55:05 pm
The Top 10 is in a different league altogether and more so the Top 5.  Our guys will do brilliant if they can just keep up with Laia (said with ultimate respect to all parties) and she herself really needs huge luck to get close to the Top 10.

It seems Dakar might come back to Africa at some stage but from the little bit I heard all intentions are to take it back to Northern Africa, not to our parts.  It just makes so much more sense, especially logistically, for the Dakar organizers to stay as close as possible to Europe.  I would have loved to see it come through our neck of the woods, but who knows, maybe they include us after all....   
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Post by: gmac on December 13, 2018, 10:18:21 pm
I still can’t understand how Laia is so fast - I’m not disrespecting  women at all but surely our boys can easily run that pace if their navigation is up there - am I wrong


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 13, 2018, 10:21:48 pm
Maybe “easily run that pace” is not the correct wording


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on December 13, 2018, 10:58:31 pm
A good example would be compare Lyndon Poskitt's pace in the Kalahari Rally to our local riders. Then compare Lyndon to the top Dakar guys and Lyndon is by no means slow. They really are just in a complete different league.

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Post by: Xpat on December 13, 2018, 11:42:11 pm
A good example would be compare Lyndon Poskitt's pace in the Kalahari Rally to our local riders. Then compare Lyndon to the top Dakar guys and Lyndon is by no means slow. They really are just in a complete different league.

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But why? I've been wondering about this for a while since I started following Dakar few years back.

As a foreigner - Czech or rather Czechoslovakian (half Czech, half Slovak) I cannot help but compare to those countries, specifically Slovakia (though Czech also did significantly better than Saffers in those years), and cannot wrap my head around the discrepancy. Slovakia is small country of 5 million people (i.e. roughly the population of whites in SA, which is the demographic primarily interested in Dakar), and while its heavily mountainious and forrested, the hunting & conservaation lobby pushed into the law that riding offroad is a criminal offence (I'm serious - not demeanor, criminal offence). There are few motocross tracks available, but that is about it. No sand worth mentioning and forget about any navigation. And motorcycling, let alone dirt riding is of marginal interest at best. And as such Slovak riders have exactly 0 marketing potential for big mfg teams (despite regular top 10 results) so they ride for local teams. Yes, Slovakia is on average significantly richer country than SA, but if compared only to the white demographic subset relevant for Dakar competition, it may be on par, or even poorer.

And yet in those years, they had regularly two people in top 10 - though admitedly the same 2 - Stefan Svitko (his best placement was second) and Ivan Jakes (his best was 4th).

In comparison, SA has almost unlimited potential for riding similar to Dakar, number of rallies in available in those years such as Amageze or Kalahari rally allowing one to sharpen their navigation skills, some of the top races in the world ROA (though admitedly that is different category) and very lively offroad/enduro scene (again in comparison to SVK). And yet - with exception of Alfie Cox who I believe achieved the best SA result (second) - other riders seem to came way short on Dakar. I'm not talking malle moto guys and amateurs who just do it to finish , but some of the top competitive SA guys like Daryl Curtis and - heck with a bit of hyperboly - even naturalised Saffer Chris Birch, and they usually come short even of top 20.

What's happening here, why are SA guys coming so short in comparison? Now sure, maybe those Slovaks are just aberration (there are no Slovak followers on the horizon and once these two retire, there may be bugger-all), but even Czechs seem to be better than SA guys.
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Post by: Xpat on December 13, 2018, 11:46:06 pm
That said, Americans with probably the biggest offroad scene in the world and famous Baja every year, cannot seem to be able to get good placement either, so go figure...
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 14, 2018, 06:07:34 am
Chris Birch and Darryl both did the Dakar in 2012 for the first time. They came 27th and 22nd respectively overall, which is pretty amazing all things considered. I can't remember now if Darryl did it again -I think not- and Chris definitely did not do it again. Speaking to Chris a day or two after the finish he and Darryl were both of the opinion that the race was way too fast and dangerous compared to what they were used to. Birchy broke his ankle but still finished and Darryl hurt his spine.

Unless you have factory support you're going to really battle to get into the top 25. We may have the terrain but its the endurance of the event that also takes its toll. There are just so many things that can go wrong, and not just for the rider. Have you seen what the mechanics look like at the end of the rally? They hardly sleep. The factory teams have organized around this - everyone sleeps in a hotel or air-conditioned cabin. The factory mechanics have days off while others come in and fill in for the main guys from time to time (because they are traveling when they are not working and need to rest). So in my view its the whole organization, the experience of the teams and then the super-human abilities of the athletes. Other teams, even well organised ones don't have this luxury and it results in more mechanical problems. All these things contribute to the snowball. Plus the fact that unless you are an elite rider, even if you are really fast you have to fight it out in the dust for the first four days just to get into the top 40 or 50.

When we look at event like Ertzberg or Dutch Beach race, you will see 500-1000 entrants, of which the top 50 are really good, fast riders. The Dakar, is a global event which has the best riders from over 123 countries, so the level of racing is way, way above the average enduro, rally or offroad event. Basically 75% of the field are race winners somewhere.

I was lucky enough to spend 10 days racing in a WRC class event with Marc Coma, Ze Helio, Kuba Pryzgonski among others. The speeds these guys do is something to behold, especially through the twisty stuff.  Our guys are as fast but there are very few who are able to maintain these speeds for days on end, without losing concentration. Its a bit like golf that way. All the factory guys do the whole NPO / WRC circuit, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Maroc, Tunisia, etc. and this also gets them into the groove as well. They're used to the space of racing off a road book, and the race to the road book, not to the conditions. 

This is why Svitco and others do so well. They don't have the riding in Slovakia maybe but neither to the French or the Spanish for that matter. Not for rallies. But because they have been doing it for so long, because they are really talented, and can read a road book while doing 160k/hr - and ride to it- they will beat our local boys hands down every time until they too invest the time in practicing it, racing a number of other rally events, getting their navigation right and ensuring they have a world-class backup & support crew if not factory support.

Toby Price is a great example. He is super fast in the outback, but took a couple of years to get up there in the Dakar. He really committed, got the factory support, did a number of other rallies, rode with the best and learnt fast. Now he is one of the best in the world. So it is possible with our guys too if they can be noticed. They just have to really want to.

I would like to think someone like Wade Young could be a Dakar winner in time to come. He needs a couple more years though, because the younger guys tend to push the limits too much and crash more easily.
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Post by: BiG DoM on December 14, 2018, 06:36:16 am
You cannot compare European access to rallye to that at the tip of Africa. Geopolitics plays a role. I am not surprised there have not been more Saffers in the sport. No Amageza or Kalahari is enough to blood riders, and especially youngsters, to the sport - never mind the cost of the sport for one or two events a year. The cost to go race rallye is seriously expensive, and especially for us in the rest of the world is quite prohibitive. Ask those who have done it with some success and not been able to return to build on their experience (Curtis, Riaan etc), simply due to finance. You will also find more training, intermediate events, TV coverage, access to sponsorship, team support etc on the other side of the pond. There are also many other contributing influences. Now here in SA enduro and MX competition is tough enough financially (esp on national circuit where you have to travel big distances) yet we still have some of the worlds top riders who can compete with the best in the world IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY. And this is the crunch - there are many talented riders who do not have the access to sponsorship or personal financial resources to go race competitively, and yes especially abroad. We have been good at getting our youngsters into the sport to keep it alive and grow it, but frustrations remain for those who are ambitious.
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Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 14, 2018, 06:48:05 am
Thanks another great point, Dominic :thumleft:
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Post by: Xpat on December 14, 2018, 06:59:07 am
I don't know - I do not see a bullet-proof case in your responses BB and BD - especially if compared to Slovakia, which is as I described financially and riding wise on par or worse than RSA :peepwall: ;)

BB - nothing personal, just in the spirit of enthusiast discussion - I think some of your points just don't seem to hold water, at least with regards to Svitko and Jaks:
- None of the Slovaks has factory support that you quote to be requirement for Top 25. They ride for Slovak or Czech teams, and actually Saffers are welcome to join those teams as did almost all Americans riding year or two ago (mostly because naturalized american Petr Vlcek is Czech by origin)
- French and Spanish (and Portuguese) have incomparably better training opportunities than Slovaks - Morocco is just short hop across a pond.
- I think we will both agree that Svitko (and Jakes) cannot navigate for shit - they got lucky with those best positions (Svitko basically in the year when Dakar was just WRC). Yet they still manage to get quite reliably to Top 10 almost every year.
- your Toby Price example is quite baffling to me as he seems exact opposite of what you seems to have said. The guy finished 3rd on his very first Dakar (when both aliens were still in play) and win his second one. If that is taking time to get up there in Dakar, sign me up  :)
- I wish Wade Young all the best, but I believe the extreme enduro background is not the right one for Dakar (and yes I have myself used misleadingly ROA as an example in my post). Otherwise there would be Jarvises and others dominating the podium by now.

Now where I agree with you (if I understand you correctly) is that Saffer lack of top placements is result of lack of international exposure and staying power (i.e. repeated Dakar entries by competitors). Both Svitko and Jakes are some kind of Euro enduro champions, so they meet and compete with some of the people they meet in Dakar regularly (though not necessarily in rally), and therefore probably do not get the same stage fright, somebody who never met those people and only heard tall stories about them in media, might get. Also - and probably more importantly - they have by now many Dakars under the belt (both finished and unfinished) and there is probably no substitute for the real experience. This is where I think Saffers come short IMO - they all just pop in kind of like ticking box on bucketlist and then disappear. Wonder why that is - I understand the financial angle raised, but those Slovaks face the same if not bigger struggles in securing financing as that sport is irrelevant and marginal in SVK, and yet they still keep coming back.

I wasn't dissing Darryl or Chris - of course those results are great for a first start (though not as good as Tobys  ;) - just pulling your leg). But what surprised me was that they never came back and the silence that followed afterwards. It almost felt like they were a bit shell shocked by the whole experience and woved never come back. I would think that they had big enough names to be able to secure financing for another try - but maybe I'm just naive.
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Post by: Xpat on December 14, 2018, 07:07:13 am
And one more thing - any South African has much higher global marketing potential than any of the two Slovaks (none of which even squeeks English sadly), just by the virtute of the fact that they speak English. They have much much better chances to get watercarrier factory job than any of those Slovaks because of that. Also, in the globalized world Saffers are considered part of anglo world and hence adapted much more easily by spectators, that Slovaks, name of which after all those years and top 10 finishes even veteran like you BB cannot spell correctly  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on December 14, 2018, 07:24:40 am
Comparing Ross and Kenny to Darryl and Chris Birch is like comparing a BMW M5 to a Hilux. 
Even Riaan V Niekerk was a lot faster than them.

While Kenny does well at Enduros he EXCELS in the fast stuff on big bikes (450)
The Kalahari Ferrari is even faster these days.
Keep up with Ms Saintz?,  she will be behind Kenny and Ross. Even as privateers.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 14, 2018, 07:29:31 am
Yes I think you also need to acknowledge that rally riders are essentially specialists - yes some may compete in other forms to bring home the bacon but you cannot expect a trials guy who has moved into extreme enduro to make a good rally racer. WhileI I like your patriotism Xpat I think your comparison is mis-founded - as I explained it is about access and geopolitics (more so than language and Slavic/Saffer temperament  >:D).

Regarding Birch, Curtis Riaan etc - these guys were from an enduro (and yes hard enduro) background. They were also older, had family and businesses to support etc. Rally was and is not their livelihood. I think for them the finishers medal and personal achievement to compete and complete a Dakar to their best was their main ambition, rather than top finish glory. In my eyes they are all winners.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 14, 2018, 07:36:20 am
Shark: Okay then.

Anyway, along the line of the discussion
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Post by: gmac on December 14, 2018, 07:40:18 am
Thanks gents some great insights once again

My favorite  quote so far is comparing Darryl and Chris to Ross and Kenny is like comparing an m5 to a hilux”

Lol


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on December 14, 2018, 07:40:54 am
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.
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Post by: sidetrack on December 14, 2018, 07:55:18 am
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.
Xpat those who emigrated will come gunning for you soon  :peepwall: Anyway we had Alfie Cox, what a legend. Lets hope there is another SA top ten racer soon.
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Post by: Kortbroek on December 14, 2018, 09:10:36 am
How about this thread becomes a sticky? Mods  :peepwall:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 14, 2018, 09:26:06 am
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.
Xpat those who emigrated will come gunning for you soon  :peepwall: Anyway we had Alfie Cox, what a legend. Lets hope there is another SA top ten racer soon.

Lets also not forget that many races (Dakar, Roof etc) have changed considerably over the years and some are very different now to what they were (not to take anything away from Alfie's and others considerable achievements).
 
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Post by: KaTooMatt on December 14, 2018, 01:02:18 pm
In terms of Saffers and Dakar. To get good you need access to the bikes and the rallies and this cost money. Whn you are paying in Rands we are talking huge money.

When we are paying in Euro's (admittedly the Czechss's use their own currency but they are in the EU and as such used Euro style prices) everything is a lot easier to finance. Sponsors like to sponsor something marketable. Often this means local. It is much easier for a company to sponsor a few 100 000 thousand euro's the price of half a house to support a local star than it is to sponsor a couple of million the price of a fancy house to fund a Dakar dream.

Giniel got in while our currency had more value and he had strong backers.

The only hope is for a local boy to attract the eyes of a KTM spend a few years as a water carrier and then hit the big time. I suspect these guys are having to much fun racing Erzberg and local races to put all their eggs in one risky basket. Even local starts seem to race Dakar as a once off tick it off the bucket list rather than go back year after year to try again and master the skills.

Today Rally racing is a profession with the limits to minimise the risk of injury that implies. Alfie raced in a freer time and did not have to give up his local dreams to be able to race Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Ross Riddle on December 14, 2018, 01:04:34 pm
Hey,
My two cents worth. Having done a few of the SA Rallies and had some experience with navigation it’s all good nd well to be fast but to navigate whilst being fast is hugely difficult.

And I think without the experience and factory backing with the cash that goes with it, get exposed to other rally’s. It will be a push for both Ross and Kenny to make top 25.

Hey I would love them to prove me wrong but a top 10 in the first outing at Dakar is something unfortunately only overseas based riders are capable of at the moment with our exchange rates.
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Post by: Kamanya on December 14, 2018, 02:28:58 pm
If either of our two guys, as Max said, make the top 30, they will be living the dream. Both? Never.

To do well in rally, all things being equal, one needs huge rally exposure, tons of cash and experienced support. On Top of that, a mighty big dose of luck too.


A top 10 even on one stage of the rally, let alone overall is God like. I don't even know our guys but I'd still give them 0% chance.

Top 20, monumental! If a first timer, this is where the Pro teams harvest from. Our 2? Still nope.

Top 30. They won't be buying beer anytime soon. Outstanding! Incredibly unlikely.



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on December 14, 2018, 04:09:23 pm
"O ye, of little faith"  ;) ... our boytjies are going to gooi mielies, I've got one of them pegged for a top 10 and one for a top 15. They are both very fast and smooth riders, their only limitation is their lack of navigational skills at speed but they have the outright speed to follow the good navigators (like Alfie did)  :thumleft:

I'm just looking forward to the day our local superstar David Ellis makes it to the Dakar start line... I've got him pegged as the next big thing from SA, he just need to finish his doctorate first :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 14, 2018, 04:19:16 pm
Anyway M5's don't work too well in sand. I'll take the hilux :deal:

Super excited to be following a few saffas regardless!

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Post by: shark_za on December 14, 2018, 04:53:18 pm


Anyway, along the line of the discussion

Lets see how much of a factor the Dakar experience is. Im hoping they do really well. Ross especially.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on December 14, 2018, 04:56:02 pm

A top 10 even on one stage of the rally, let alone overall is God like. I don't even know our guys but I'd still give them 0% chance.


Riaan V Niekerk got a stage 9th didn't he?  Or was it 14th? 
But he was always one for the fast races, like Ross and Kenny G.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on December 14, 2018, 04:58:13 pm
Remember this?
http://rallystar.net/end-of-the-road-for-riaan-van-niekerk/
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Post by: shark_za on December 14, 2018, 05:10:34 pm
And what about Riaan coming 13th in 2013 on Debut?
And 12th in 2014? 

Ross is quicker than Riaan was... IMHO.  Still claim him as ours even though he is from Botswana. 2 time SA offroad champ in the 450 class, 7 times Desert 1000.
Dont confuse guys riding SA's fledgling rally scene with SA's offroad champions.

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Post by: Serf on December 14, 2018, 06:38:20 pm
Anyway M5's don't work too well in sand. I'll take the hilux :deal:

Super excited to be following a few saffas regardless!
Agree fully to support them and hope for the best. With some luck and a strong mentality both of them can do really well. If they can get through to the rest day in top 20 - who knows what can happen in week 2.

A top 10 will be such a nice result and may attrack sponsors or a factory ride in the future.

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Post by: cheesy on December 14, 2018, 07:18:29 pm
Any news on the Dakar being screened by SuperSport?
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Post by: Kamanya on December 14, 2018, 07:38:11 pm
And what about Riaan coming 13th in 2013 on Debut?
And 12th in 2014? 

Ross is quicker than Riaan was... IMHO.  Still claim him as ours even though he is from Botswana. 2 time SA offroad champ in the 450 class, 7 times Desert 1000.
Dont confuse guys riding SA's fledgling rally scene with SA's offroad champions.

I really do hope that I get to eat my words.
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Post by: BiG DoM on December 14, 2018, 08:09:48 pm
And what about Riaan coming 13th in 2013 on Debut?
And 12th in 2014? 

Ross is quicker than Riaan was... IMHO.  Still claim him as ours even though he is from Botswana. 2 time SA offroad champ in the 450 class, 7 times Desert 1000.
Dont confuse guys riding SA's fledgling rally scene with SA's offroad champions.

And a real meneer of a humble and generous guy. I remember him telling me how the cost is so prohibitive, even with his local sponsors helping lank, and that he could probably not continue due to it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Beserker on December 15, 2018, 11:01:43 am

I was able to plot two routes down the dune that have an "exit" that are not in mountains or cliff face. Navigation would be key because a wrong turn off the top could mean you end up completely trapped. the start of the route would be on the right (east) and would also make a good place to start a special stage. It is easily reached by tar road and is at an altitude of about 1700m.


Maybe you missed your calling?
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Post by: Xpat on December 15, 2018, 01:41:55 pm
Toby Price broke his wrist (guessing here based on xrays). He is still keen to go, so lets see how that pans out. Since that broken femur he doesnt seem to be able to catch break. Last year he was just shafow of his prior self.

https://m.facebook.com/tprice87/ (https://m.facebook.com/tprice87/)
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Post by: lpj on December 15, 2018, 03:04:51 pm
Toby Price broke his wrist (guessing here based on xrays). He is still keen to go, so lets see how that pans out. Since that broken femur he doesnt seem to be able to catch break. Last year he was just shafow of his prior self.

https://m.facebook.com/tprice87/ (https://m.facebook.com/tprice87/)

Fuck
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Post by: BiG DoM on December 15, 2018, 04:14:37 pm
Broken wrist is a bugger - normally six weeks minimum and depends on type of break and whether it has needed screws and plates.  :o  Mine was a full year before it felt normal again. He is a tough bugger though.
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Post by: Xpat on December 15, 2018, 05:10:09 pm
There is definitely screw there in the fb images
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Post by: BiG DoM on December 15, 2018, 05:51:19 pm
There is definitely screw there in the fb images

 :o
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Post by: mtr89 on December 15, 2018, 08:14:19 pm
What a great discussion on the Dakar.
Also saw Toby Price had posted pics on Instagram of a screw or plate having been surgically implanted into his wrist after a break.
He is still dead keen for Dakar and said he will be there in the line up come January.
Massive respect for any rider taking on this challenge, I'll never have the skills or the means to even think about doing it.
Roll on January and keep the discussion going.
Any predictions for a winner?
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Post by: BiG DoM on December 15, 2018, 08:39:10 pm
https://www.facebook.com/tprice87/photos/pcb.2406868619384182/2406867269384317/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 15, 2018, 09:43:15 pm
What a great discussion on the Dakar.
Also saw Toby Price had posted pics on Instagram of a screw or plate having been surgically implanted into his wrist after a break.
He is still dead keen for Dakar and said he will be there in the line up come January.
Massive respect for any rider taking on this challenge, I'll never have the skills or the means to even think about doing it.
Roll on January and keep the discussion going.
Any predictions for a winner?

Sam I recon has to be the favorite, as he has the most experience in dunes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 15, 2018, 10:49:04 pm
I agree with Sam as a favorite but personally I would like to see Barreda, Walkner, Brabec or van beveren take it.

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Post by: BiG DoM on December 16, 2018, 06:56:48 am
I agree with Sam as a favorite but personally I would like to see Barreda, Walkner, Brabec or van beveren take it.

Barreda - Phffft - will depend whether he is rushing to his manicurist.  :imaposer:  I am over him. I would like to see Soultrain or AVB take it on a Yammie. Just for shits and giggles to the orange.  :ricky: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on December 16, 2018, 07:08:04 am
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar, I'm bitterly disappointed, I love watching that oke race a dirt bike. Despite him saying he'll still be racing I can't see him handling that pain for the duration of the event. IMHO they should just pull him early to stop him damaging it further. He's too valuable to throw it all in on one race, even if it's Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Beserker on December 16, 2018, 03:37:12 pm
You cannot compare European access to rallye to that at the tip of Africa. Geopolitics plays a role. I am not surprised there have not been more Saffers in the sport. No Amageza or Kalahari is enough to blood riders, and especially youngsters, to the sport - never mind the cost of the sport for one or two events a year.

Definately...

- French and Spanish (and Portuguese) have incomparably better training opportunities than Slovaks - Morocco is just short hop across a pond.

To put it in perspective, just to do the Junior nationals (my kid  was 13) - for me from Stellenbosch to Louis Trichart, one way, 2200km, HluHluwe, one way, 2300km.
Slovakia is 1300 km to France "and a short hop across the Med to Morocco."

Europeans (the dudes in Europe) is good at Rally because Rally is accessible, the Baja and our Offroad series is not rally, hence the reason why they do not do so well, they need to get to Europe first.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Beserker on December 16, 2018, 03:47:00 pm
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar..

Watched a doccie on Cyril Despres in the run up to a previous Dakar - He stopped practicing on a bike a month and a half before start time, and focused on a lot of other aspects.

Love him or loath him, he was a true professional, working towards one goal, taking the Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on December 16, 2018, 07:27:52 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 16, 2018, 07:35:11 pm
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar..

Watched a doccie on Cyril Despres in the run up to a previous Dakar - He stopped practicing on a bike a month and a half before start time, and focused on a lot of other aspects.

Love him or loath him, he was a true professional, working towards one goal, taking the Dakar.

Him & Coma were the same. The only aliens to date.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Nuts4Dakar on December 16, 2018, 08:37:16 pm
Seems the competitors lists on the official Dakar site is also now available.
Looking here this is the local boys that i could find

Hey guys
Small mistake here,
I’m lucky enough to be on a new spec KTM 450 Rally
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on December 16, 2018, 09:06:16 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 16, 2018, 09:37:37 pm
Seems the competitors lists on the official Dakar site is also now available.
Looking here this is the local boys that i could find

Hey guys
Small mistake here,
I’m lucky enough to be on a new spec KTM 450 Rally

Awesome

Can we see a pic ?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on December 17, 2018, 05:57:03 am
 :ricky: Subskraaibed
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on December 17, 2018, 10:11:33 am
Seems the competitors lists on the official Dakar site is also now available.
Looking here this is the local boys that i could find

Hey guys
Small mistake here,
I’m lucky enough to be on a new spec KTM 450 Rally
Hi yes please give us some peexhers to drool.over

Awesome

Can we see a pic ?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: mtr89 on December 17, 2018, 03:46:48 pm
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar, I'm bitterly disappointed, I love watching that oke race a dirt bike. Despite him saying he'll still be racing I can't see him handling that pain for the duration of the event. IMHO they should just pull him early to stop him damaging it further. He's too valuable to throw it all in on one race, even if it's Dakar.
I agree
Big fan of Toby price and it does seem a bit silly to have injured yourself so close to Dakar, then again i wasnt there to see what happened.
Agree with @BlueBull2007 , Sam has to be the favourite
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 18, 2018, 07:39:22 am
While we wait, here are a few of my favorite random Dakar pics collected over the past few years.

Let me know if you'd like to see more.
 
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-6q2QCZm/0/c6141422/X2/dakar-rally-2014-red-bull-desert-wings-X2.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-RR6vTDf/0/6ac05273/O/rally-dakar-2014-1824116h627.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-8ftpH3j/0/f55b06d3/O/Dakar-Rally-2014-16.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-6rQV4pt/0/286d9673/XL/Marc_Coma__1-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-zf3r9gq/0/b0251e4c/O/1s.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-MDv6s6Z/0/8e197572/O/1h.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-qq6B5sB/0/03595b5e/X2/dakar1-X2.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-VXKkt36/0/968169f1/O/a%20casteu.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-GT54mgG/0/6b44887a/X2/ST11h-X2.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-ZXbswct/0/0ff22b4d/O/1174.jpg)





(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-xKcmKtw/0/cdab3736/O/31.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-QMZLWrQ/0/e27ce26f/O/Dakar-2014-mountains.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-JVX92b5/0/a2df10eb/O/2014-dakar-watch-what-training-means-for-cyril-despres-video-73912-7.jpg)





Who can forget Paulo's tragedy?
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-WhrKP5v/0/35653f11/O/ss51389312800000-dakar-stage5-motorcyle-fire.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar/Dakar/i-dk6QfWC/0/efde92c6/O/rally_dakar_2014_1824123h627.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-ZLWrrVW/0/9b202423/O/bp15.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-SgM9vbp/0/d7639f3f/X2/IMG_3934-X2.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-DHCqq7H/0/2c1ca708/O/10934051_859413734117935_6830924704228175591_n.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-8sdWFWG/0/35982bf1/XL/6b4a9b4782bd92f6a230b7cf39e30a6c-XL.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-NS9rHPc/0/97dcfbd2/O/orlen%2520team%25204%2C0.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-srQ5Mmh/0/c01bbfa1/X2/IMG_4306-X2.jpg)




(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-xTgvjcT/0/9ee8e890/O/142.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-Z3LcGDF/0/7018fa29/O/1358349069_228821_1358374375_album_normal.jpg)



(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-4GkMrvS/0/05373822/X2/AFPGetty-516342171_zpse52780e9-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Ross Riddle on December 18, 2018, 07:51:13 am
Morning Blue Bull,

Keep them coming they are awesome to see.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: evansv on December 18, 2018, 08:53:13 am
Cool photos!

I believe number 30 in that one shot was Riaan.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on December 18, 2018, 09:47:46 am
Many thanks BB !
 . . . a pic of yourself and Springbokkie ?  . . .please
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kreef on December 18, 2018, 01:31:01 pm
Morning Blue Bull,

Keep them coming they are awesome to see.

+1 (and subscribed)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 18, 2018, 07:35:37 pm
Many thanks BB !
 . . . a pic of yourself and Springbokkie ?  . . .please

Ouboet, I don't think it would be right to post a pic of the Springbok in the Dakar thread seeing it never did the Dakar.  :P  :-\

But as a consolation here is a video of our trip (click on the picture, click here (https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-t8ZBDqw/0/43331f2b/1280/Chasing%20Dakar%202012%20-%20What%20you%20did%20not%20see%20on%20TV-1280.mp4) for higher def.) chasing the last few stages of the 2012 Dakar, riding hair-raising liaison maneuvers with the front riders (pic below is case-in-point!  :ricky: ) , some racing highlights and a discussion with Cyril Despres, Frans Verhoeven,  Darryl Curties & advrider's Neduro after his crash etc. (Please forgive the stupid questions from my part, I was so excited, and could not believe I was talking to the guys!)  :P :-[ :P

Bikes at start of SS12 & chit chat with riders until 4min
4 min, the action starts, including some on-the-ground racing footage we took.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-LBChRxT/0/65e02ff2/X3/Chasing%20Dakar%202012%20split%20b-X3.jpg) (https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Rallye-1/i-t8ZBDqw/0/43331f2b/1280/Chasing%20Dakar%202012%20-%20What%20you%20did%20not%20see%20on%20TV-1280.mp4)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 18, 2018, 07:44:01 pm
Ha and my 2014 Dakar was not to be.... ::) Real life gets in the way sometimes.

Hardest part of this race is getting to the start. Then it gets harder ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 19, 2018, 07:07:07 am



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Nuts4Dakar on December 19, 2018, 06:46:48 pm
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181219/e1ed09bb22747bfd899e9ddfddcff6b8.jpg)
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STD with cones valves.
This bike is bike porn ,beautiful is an understatement
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181219/14f5c84723f257459c3a8a1103fb4267.jpg)
Check the clutch cover
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Nuts4Dakar on December 19, 2018, 06:53:04 pm
Go to Nuts4dakar thread to see more pics and the sticker kit design



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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on December 19, 2018, 09:56:28 pm
Howzit guys! It's been a while. Glad to see all the good 'ol guys still here supporting the Dakar. Personally the best time of the year for me. Keep up all the great reviews and pics. I am super excited about Kenny and Ross doing the Dakar this year. I believe they've got what it takes to make a real impression and if you consider the amount of other factory riders S.A. has delivers recently, I am sure these guys can get themselves a factory sponsorship as well. Go Saffers!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: billy-joe on December 19, 2018, 10:19:11 pm
what teams are they riding for?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 20, 2018, 12:24:11 pm
Brake magazine will be there racing in 2020

http://www.brake-magazine.com/dakar-2020-the-first-steps/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Highsider on December 20, 2018, 04:33:58 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 20, 2018, 05:16:57 pm
 :sip:

 :happy1:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 20, 2018, 06:24:26 pm
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar..

Watched a doccie on Cyril Despres in the run up to a previous Dakar - He stopped practicing on a bike a month and a half before start time, and focused on a lot of other aspects.

Love him or loath him, he was a true professional, working towards one goal, taking the Dakar.

Him & Coma were the same. The only aliens to date.

Peterhansel.........super alien. The others are still to take a car title.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 20, 2018, 08:58:57 pm
I can't believe Toby has gone and hurt himself so close to Dakar..

Watched a doccie on Cyril Despres in the run up to a previous Dakar - He stopped practicing on a bike a month and a half before start time, and focused on a lot of other aspects.

Love him or loath him, he was a true professional, working towards one goal, taking the Dakar.

Him & Coma were the same. The only aliens to date.

Peterhansel.........super alien. The others are still to take a car title.

Peterhansel is Perfect Hansel, pre-alien.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 24, 2018, 06:53:03 am
 >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 26, 2018, 11:57:51 am
Ross doing final prep at Guma lagoon camp (shame what a terrible venue)

Not On Facebook so no idea how to share a video but Go and check the short video - two nice high speed sections


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sardine on December 26, 2018, 12:06:09 pm
I am fortunate enough to have worked with Ross and will be watching the Dakar with great interest.
He really is such a mellow and down to earth guy, with an unbelievable amount of drive and passion.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 26, 2018, 01:01:39 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on December 26, 2018, 01:09:29 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷
8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 26, 2018, 01:11:18 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷
8)

 O0 Tick-Tock

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on December 26, 2018, 01:21:12 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷
8)

 O0 Tick-Tock

And in 1982 it was World headlines with a massive search of the Sahara as mummies little boy and co-driver/navigator were lost.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on December 26, 2018, 06:32:54 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷
8)

 O0 Tick-Tock

And in 1982 it was World headlines with a massive search of the Sahara as mummies little boy and co-driver/navigator were lost.  :peepwall:
Hence everyone outside of France now knew about the Dakar Rally  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 26, 2018, 07:31:20 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 26, 2018, 07:55:27 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

 :imaposer:  I knew they would elicit a reaction from you  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on December 26, 2018, 08:35:59 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

2nd to the Beetle ......... always!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on December 27, 2018, 07:15:26 am
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

This photo makes me feel quite nostalgic.  Bunch of XTs lined up for an adventure.  And what a shame not to have participated.  I had an XT, it was equipped with one of those Malcolm Smith tanks and unlike these rally bikes mine even had a new set of Metzelers.  But mine had stock suspension and front candle, not that state of the art stuff of the rally bikes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on December 27, 2018, 08:18:05 am
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

This photo makes me feel quite nostalgic.  Bunch of XTs lined up for an adventure.  And what a shame not to have participated.  I had an XT, it was equipped with one of those Malcolm Smith tanks and unlike these rally bikes mine even had a new set of Metzelers.  But mine had stock suspension and front candle, not that state of the art stuff of the rally bikes.

And a Supertrap?  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on December 27, 2018, 12:24:19 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

This photo makes me feel quite nostalgic.  Bunch of XTs lined up for an adventure.  And what a shame not to have participated.  I had an XT, it was equipped with one of those Malcolm Smith tanks and unlike these rally bikes mine even had a new set of Metzelers.  But mine had stock suspension and front candle, not that state of the art stuff of the rally bikes.
The innocent years, to me the more things get commercialized and high tech they become a little bit less special. Guys used to build their own bikes in the backyard dreaming of getting to Dakar. Now even the guy running in last place is more than likely on a KTM 450 RR Rally bike. I think taking it back to Africa will bring back a bit of magic. But enough of the soapbox, roll on Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on December 27, 2018, 05:08:40 pm
40 years ago, on the 26th of December 1978, the first Dakar Rally started from Paris! 🇫🇷

Those XT500's are more iconic than the Eiffel behind them. :ricky: :ricky:

This photo makes me feel quite nostalgic.  Bunch of XTs lined up for an adventure.  And what a shame not to have participated.  I had an XT, it was equipped with one of those Malcolm Smith tanks and unlike these rally bikes mine even had a new set of Metzelers.  But mine had stock suspension and front candle, not that state of the art stuff of the rally bikes.

And a Supertrap?  >:D

Nope, that was way beyond my budget.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 28, 2018, 10:45:52 am
I forgot about Antoine Meo - I’m hoping his navigation is better


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on December 28, 2018, 02:58:24 pm
Some really nice clips and bits on Red Bull TV, you'll need an uncapped internet connection though.

Old stuff, present stuff and the promise of daily videos as the event unfolds.



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 28, 2018, 03:13:56 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 28, 2018, 05:50:55 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 28, 2018, 05:51:44 pm
Anyone knows if mrs Santz is racing for KTM this year?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on December 28, 2018, 06:28:23 pm
Anyone knows if mrs Santz is racing for KTM this year?

Yes she is, bike number 17.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 29, 2018, 10:44:09 am
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tom van Brits on December 29, 2018, 03:18:44 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?

Good point  :3some:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Beserker on December 29, 2018, 09:02:28 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?

En daar val ek en my 650 ook uit, nogal uitgesien vir 'n spin saam met jou Chris 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 29, 2018, 10:07:38 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?

En daar val ek en my 650 ook uit, nogal uitgesien vir 'n spin saam met jou Chris
Imagine die organiseerders maak  n klas oop vir al die oldies? :thumleft: :drif:
Al die ou TT's, XT's en DR's en KLR's van yesteryear saam.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on December 30, 2018, 09:13:59 am
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?

En daar val ek en my 650 ook uit, nogal uitgesien vir 'n spin saam met jou Chris
Imagine die organiseerders maak  n klas oop vir al die oldies? :thumleft: :drif:
Al die ou TT's, XT's en DR's en KLR's van yesteryear saam.

And let them start a week earlier? no ways they could handle the course.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 30, 2018, 01:54:48 pm
A stupid question if I may. Rules state bikes no bigger than 450cc right?

If I would want to enter with a say 1982 XR 500 RE in Malle Moto would I be allowed as the XR 500 makes much less power and speed than a modern day 450?

No they will not allow you Chris.
The 500 may produce less power but it may produce good torque.
The rules are set for new development in a similar fashion than the restrictions we have seen from year to year in F1.
They hope to see brilliant development in the smaller displacement class and I think KTM has set the benchmark and the rest are playing catchup.
But in the car section it is not all new and top spec?

En daar val ek en my 650 ook uit, nogal uitgesien vir 'n spin saam met jou Chris
Imagine die organiseerders maak  n klas oop vir al die oldies? :thumleft: :drif:
Al die ou TT's, XT's en DR's en KLR's van yesteryear saam.

And let them start a week earlier? no ways they could handle the course.  :peepwall:
No they would make up the time in the hundereds of kilometres they ride to get to the few special stages they call the Dakar these days. :deal:
Remember those "oldies" did finish the Dakar in Africa, speed just changed in later years with new faster bikes.
Maybe there is a need for a class for people that want to finish it in their time with what they want to ride not what they being told to ride.
The Dakar is about making money so if the guy pays let him ride what he wants. :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on December 30, 2018, 02:55:13 pm
No they would make up the time in the hundereds of kilometres they ride to get to the few special stages they call the Dakar these days. :deal:
Remember those "oldies" did finish the Dakar in Africa, speed just changed in later years with new faster bikes.
Maybe there is a need for a class for people that want to finish it in their time with what they want to ride not what they being told to ride.
The Dakar is about making money so if the guy pays let him ride what he wants. :deal:

I don't think ASO is willing to wait for you...  :lol8: Especially the medical crews. Anyone can do the "Dakar" in their own time. Get all the stage info / GPS points from an insider at ASO, take a few weeks holiday and go ride it all with your buddies! At a pace you like!  :ricky: (will however not be the same challenge)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 31, 2018, 03:21:48 am
Yeah, sorry guys but that will never happen.

The main reason they went for smaller bikes (the 450cc limit) was two-fold:

1) Too many amateurs were going too fast and running out of talent on big bikes - fatalities
2) Too many amateurs were getting stuck in technical stages and running out of talent on big bikes

The first point is undoubtedly the key here. The second point more my opinion but very likely a contributing factor.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Roof of Africa on December 31, 2018, 06:21:48 am
Graham Jarvis for Dakar

http://dirtbikelover.com/graham-jarvis-will-run-the-2019-dakar-to-replace-andrew-short/?fbclid=IwAR1kqIkzIYqUI3evA_nXy0c2Rlf5iZ8vKzbv3KZY9fIqP9dj5QUxLITV34M
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on December 31, 2018, 07:25:15 am
Graham Jarvis for Dakar

http://dirtbikelover.com/graham-jarvis-will-run-the-2019-dakar-to-replace-andrew-short/?fbclid=IwAR1kqIkzIYqUI3evA_nXy0c2Rlf5iZ8vKzbv3KZY9fIqP9dj5QUxLITV34M

Wow, that there's a replacement I never expected, I hope he's got some navigation experience.

In other news, Toby was out testing yesterday to see how his wrist is doing. He's still in some pain but hoping to still make the start line.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on December 31, 2018, 08:52:06 am
Yeah, sorry guys but that will never happen.

The main reason they went for smaller bikes (the 450cc limit) was two-fold:

1) Too many amateurs were going too fast and running out of talent on big bikes - fatalities
2) Too many amateurs were getting stuck in technical stages and running out of talent on big bikes

The first point is undoubtedly the key here. The second point more my opinion but very likely a contributing factor.
. . . .a few years ago , an amateur finished on a Husqvarna 250 2T , I think he also did Malles Moto  . . .
 . . .makes one think a bid . . .
 . . . its not always the size of the tool that counts
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on December 31, 2018, 09:17:53 am
Yeah, sorry guys but that will never happen.

The main reason they went for smaller bikes (the 450cc limit) was two-fold:

1) Too many amateurs were going too fast and running out of talent on big bikes - fatalities
2) Too many amateurs were getting stuck in technical stages and running out of talent on big bikes

The first point is undoubtedly the key here. The second point more my opinion but very likely a contributing factor.
. . . .a few years ago , an amateur finished on a Husqvarna 250 2T , I think he also did Malles Moto  . . .
 . . .makes one think a bid . . .
 . . . its not always the size of the tool that counts


Correct me if I’m wrong but you maybe thinking of a 125 2T - guys name was sylvain Espinasse

They built water tanks into the swing arm and all what a beaut!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on December 31, 2018, 10:10:18 am
Yeah, sorry guys but that will never happen.

The main reason they went for smaller bikes (the 450cc limit) was two-fold:

1) Too many amateurs were going too fast and running out of talent on big bikes - fatalities
2) Too many amateurs were getting stuck in technical stages and running out of talent on big bikes

The first point is undoubtedly the key here. The second point more my opinion but very likely a contributing factor.
. . . .a few years ago , an amateur finished on a Husqvarna 250 2T , I think he also did Malles Moto  . . .
 . . .makes one think a bid . . .
 . . . its not always the size of the tool that counts


Correct me if I’m wrong but you maybe thinking of a 125 2T - guys name was sylvain Espinasse

They built water tanks into the swing arm and all what a beaut!

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181231/3bac64a96b704fa13d5c7cc52af91bfa.jpg)


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. . . even more remarkable . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on December 31, 2018, 11:53:02 am
And rebuilt the motor every evening  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Renrew on December 31, 2018, 03:25:07 pm
Graham Jarvis for Dakar

http://dirtbikelover.com/graham-jarvis-will-run-the-2019-dakar-to-replace-andrew-short/?fbclid=IwAR1kqIkzIYqUI3evA_nXy0c2Rlf5iZ8vKzbv3KZY9fIqP9dj5QUxLITV34M

Wow, that there's a replacement I never expected, I hope he's got some navigation experience.

In other news, Toby was out testing yesterday to see how his wrist is doing. He's still in some pain but hoping to still make the start line.

Is this for real? Jarvis doing the Dakar?

Would make for some awesome sports if it isn’t a fake news!!!

Can’t wait.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on December 31, 2018, 03:41:59 pm
Classic Spanish new years joke, equal to our April Fools.

Last year it was Toni Bou to do Hard Enduro on a 450RX.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Renrew on January 01, 2019, 12:29:03 am
Classic Spanish new years joke, equal to our April Fools.

Last year it was Toni Bou to do Hard Enduro on a 450RX.

Should have figured!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 01, 2019, 03:05:44 pm
And rebuilt the motor every evening  :o

Why??
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 01, 2019, 03:12:33 pm
And rebuilt the motor every evening  :o

Why??

I think mostly rings - did 5 pistons and was at least one engine change as I recall. Was the 6th guy in history to complete a Dakar on a 125cc.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 01, 2019, 10:54:21 pm
And rebuilt the motor every evening  :o

Why??

I think mostly rings - did 5 pistons and was at least one engine change as I recall. Was the 6th guy in history to complete a Dakar on a 125cc.

100%  I was questioning the "rebuilt the motor every day" part, which was a bit unfair on a little machine that punches way above it's size.

Many of the big 4strokes also do engine changes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Mooch on January 02, 2019, 02:38:37 pm
Sub.... Its nearly time!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 02, 2019, 08:19:40 pm
Helloooo guys please tell me the Toby broken hand story is the same as the Graham Jarvis joke. . .  :patch: :-[
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Renrew on January 02, 2019, 08:29:02 pm
Toby Price is a “bomb out” or “dominate” racer.

He takes chances and rides at 100% most of the time, the man to watch this year!

Really hope he isn’t injured.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: billy-joe on January 02, 2019, 09:45:24 pm
he did break his wrist for sure, seems confident to ride like that though..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 02, 2019, 10:18:44 pm
Helloooo guys please tell me the Toby broken hand story is the same as the Graham Jarvis joke. . .  :patch: :-[

Sadly not but he's going to be on the start line. Whether or not his hand will hold out for the duration of the event is the big question.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 03, 2019, 12:07:49 am
Price injury is real - check his FB page for pictures of screws in his wrist. Moreover, Gonk has injured himself as well few days ago on one of the last trainings - not sure how serious and if he is going to make it to the start.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2019, 12:28:30 am
The Gonk (Paolo Gonçalves) burst his spleen about a month ago and had it removed. Not sure if he is going to make the start but minus the spleen he should be faster ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 03, 2019, 08:36:41 am
 minus the spleen he should be faster

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: >>Thump°C on January 03, 2019, 09:39:42 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Chili Dog on January 04, 2019, 07:23:23 am
Sub


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 04, 2019, 01:37:35 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 04, 2019, 01:41:10 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 04, 2019, 01:41:59 pm
What do you guys think of this?
https://www.hartenduro.at/stories/we-must-slow-down-the-dakar-and-why-that-wont-happen-at-dakar-2019/ (https://www.hartenduro.at/stories/we-must-slow-down-the-dakar-and-why-that-wont-happen-at-dakar-2019/)
I think it is a good idea. Especially for the teams with a lesser budget. Will certainly even out the odds a bit.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 04, 2019, 02:33:49 pm
What do you guys think of this?
https://www.hartenduro.at/stories/we-must-slow-down-the-dakar-and-why-that-wont-happen-at-dakar-2019/ (https://www.hartenduro.at/stories/we-must-slow-down-the-dakar-and-why-that-wont-happen-at-dakar-2019/)
I think it is a good idea. Especially for the teams with a lesser budget. Will certainly even out the odds a bit.
I agree that it has become very scary just to watch the elite riders! I look at the many close shaves and think: if it went wrong, it could be horrible. And the margin between a close shave and a horrible accident is so thin that I crap myself on the pilots' behalf! That we haven't had more fatalities is amazing. However, whatever changes are proposed/implemented should not override the fact that it is a race. If it becomes too technically dominated (e.g. the artificiality of all the F1 tyre changes, etc.) then it will lose spectator support. Perhaps limit the max. power output of the engines? (Would be difficult to police?) Anyway, it is good that some clever folks are trying to tackle this - doing off-road at autobahn speeds may be getting beyond an acceptable level of personal risk. It would be good to hear what some of the actual racers / enduro guys out there think?!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: bartman on January 04, 2019, 09:43:40 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2019, 08:59:25 am
Does anyone know which channel on DSTV will show Dakar?

Any other places we can use to follow?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 05, 2019, 09:10:04 am
Does anyone know which channel on DSTV will show Dakar?

Any other places we can use to follow?


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WTF Werner, are you a granny to watch TV? What's wrong with you?! :peepwall: :pot:

There is only one resource for real men - the Firehose (opens tomorrow): https://advrider.com/f/threads/dakar-2019-official-f5irehose-in-peru-coverage-thread-work-in-progress-opens-6th-jan.1358013/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/dakar-2019-official-f5irehose-in-peru-coverage-thread-work-in-progress-opens-6th-jan.1358013/)

Put in the time and effort to keep up and it will reward as no other. You just need to make sure that work doesn't interfere in the next two weeks - work on elaborate excuses and decoys for your employer now! All other ways of following are futile and for kids...  :snorting:

Edit: of course get rid of the family for next two weeks too, they get in the way too much  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Geel Kat on January 05, 2019, 09:35:54 am
Any streaming sites where we can get proper coverage?

Not the pathetic DSTV ‘coverage’...

Nobody I know has DSTV anymore anyway.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 05, 2019, 09:40:45 am
Any streaming sites where we can get proper coverage?

Not the pathetic DSTV ‘coverage’...

Nobody I know has DSTV anymore anyway.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2019-dakar-adv-f5-resources-list-timing-schedules-etc-roadworks.1274797/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/2019-dakar-adv-f5-resources-list-timing-schedules-etc-roadworks.1274797/)

https://www.dakar.com/en/broadcast/international-tv-broadcast (https://www.dakar.com/en/broadcast/international-tv-broadcast)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 05, 2019, 10:03:49 am
Any streaming sites where we can get proper coverage?

Not the pathetic DSTV ‘coverage’...

Nobody I know has DSTV anymore anyway.

https://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b6915-Bolivia-TV.htm

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Geel Kat on January 05, 2019, 10:08:27 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 05, 2019, 10:08:57 am
Any streaming sites where we can get proper coverage?

Not the pathetic DSTV ‘coverage’...

Nobody I know has DSTV anymore anyway.

https://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b6915-Bolivia-TV.htm

They are not going to Bolivia this year. Are you sure Bolivian TV will be covering live Peru as they did Bolivian stages? I doubt that.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BabyBeemer on January 05, 2019, 10:09:07 am
In - just in time for work - not that much work will be done ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: LionBuell on January 05, 2019, 10:34:18 am
Dakar is on DSTV 206 for what it's worth.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2019, 10:59:00 am
Does anyone know which channel on DSTV will show Dakar?

Any other places we can use to follow?


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WTF Werner, are you a granny to watch TV? What's wrong with you?! :peepwall: :pot:

There is only one resource for real men - the Firehose (opens tomorrow): https://advrider.com/f/threads/dakar-2019-official-f5irehose-in-peru-coverage-thread-work-in-progress-opens-6th-jan.1358013/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/dakar-2019-official-f5irehose-in-peru-coverage-thread-work-in-progress-opens-6th-jan.1358013/)

Put in the time and effort to keep up and it will reward as no other. You just need to make sure that work doesn't interfere in the next two weeks - work on elaborate excuses and decoys for your employer now! All other ways of following are futile and for kids...  :snorting:

Edit: of course get rid of the family for next two weeks too, they get in the way too much  8)

Thanks china!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 05, 2019, 11:06:25 am
And for those who have been living under rock past few years, this is the site to track Dakar. It will go live with the start and has plenty of functions allowing one to see semi (per way-point) - real time positions in terms of time as well as physical position on the track. Plenty of fun for those with affiliation to numbers as one cannot just look at time but has to take into account starting time differences to figure out what is actually going on.

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/ (http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 05, 2019, 12:41:57 pm
Okkie Vermuelen is the team medic for the BAS Trucks team.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/0/e30b3a93/L/AIAE9154-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/A)

He's a boer from the Tankwa Karoo and the lucky fucker is doing the Dakar. BAS is a monstrous European trucking company run by a bunch of petrol heads. They run a commercial support service for both amateurs and semi-pro's. Many of our previous SA dakar riders chose to use their services.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/0/e27ac2c5/L/OCNA4859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/A)

I think partly because being Dutch, they're a little closer to our temperament than the French teams.

They gave him this as his own ambulance.... A fully race prepped and custom kitted bakkie…

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/0/f300cf7e/L/DFIZ6017-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/A)

Getting over to South America

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/0/13d86d2c/L/IWKN6859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/0/538a6d05/L/NSLI7773-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/0/a5a3fa6e/L/DUTL7469-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/0/d3cbbc6e/L/RWPL7823-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/0/edc46ad0/L/SVGS5034-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/0/0a088e03/L/UFXD8636-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/0/99dfc62b/L/RNPV8940-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/A)

Those non rally bikes are for spares and the dunes to play in once there.

Currently it’s last minute and a little pre-running shake downs

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/0/c1c1aa41/L/RGOI7009-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/0/772171c2/L/JZQQ2088-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/A)

I'm not jealous at all!



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2019, 06:30:02 pm
Okkie Vermuelen is the team medic for the BAS Trucks team.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/0/e30b3a93/L/AIAE9154-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/A)

He's a boer from the Tankwa Karoo and the lucky fucker is doing the Dakar. BAS is a monstrous European trucking company run by a bunch of petrol heads. They run a commercial support service for both amateurs and semi-pro's. Many of our previous SA dakar riders chose to use their services.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/0/e27ac2c5/L/OCNA4859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/A)

I think partly because being Dutch, they're a little closer to our temperament than the French teams.

They gave him this as his own ambulance.... A fully race prepped and custom kitted bakkie…

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/0/f300cf7e/L/DFIZ6017-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/A)

Getting over to South America

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/0/13d86d2c/L/IWKN6859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/0/538a6d05/L/NSLI7773-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/0/a5a3fa6e/L/DUTL7469-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/0/d3cbbc6e/L/RWPL7823-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/0/edc46ad0/L/SVGS5034-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/0/0a088e03/L/UFXD8636-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/0/99dfc62b/L/RNPV8940-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/A)

Those non rally bikes are for spares and the dunes to play in once there.

Currently it’s last minute and a little pre-running shake downs

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/0/c1c1aa41/L/RGOI7009-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/0/772171c2/L/JZQQ2088-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/A)

I'm not jealous at all!

 :) :) lucky bastad-- big support for the Dutch guys
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2019, 06:56:21 pm
Love the side of the truck "The Dutch" ies. :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2019, 07:58:40 pm
Hours to go before starting- must be huge butterfly time- safe riding guys and enjoy :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 06, 2019, 08:49:02 pm
Having Okkie at your back during the Dakar is probably the closest thing you’ll get to being prepared for anything. He certainly knows what he’s doing  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2019, 09:38:52 pm
Can’t find a site to watch the start podium live


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2019, 09:46:59 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xi4kfiSElA (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xi4kfiSElA)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2019, 09:51:49 pm
thanks man


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: billy-joe on January 06, 2019, 10:05:46 pm
anyone have more info on the 125 2t bike from last year?  i'm sure the bike's specs would be an interesting read.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: tau on January 06, 2019, 10:16:09 pm
Okkie Vermuelen is the team medic for the BAS Trucks team.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/0/e30b3a93/L/AIAE9154-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-gQzZbp7/A)

He's a boer from the Tankwa Karoo and the lucky fucker is doing the Dakar. BAS is a monstrous European trucking company run by a bunch of petrol heads. They run a commercial support service for both amateurs and semi-pro's. Many of our previous SA dakar riders chose to use their services.

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/0/e27ac2c5/L/OCNA4859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-jw9qBnP/A)

I think partly because being Dutch, they're a little closer to our temperament than the French teams.

They gave him this as his own ambulance.... A fully race prepped and custom kitted bakkie…

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/0/f300cf7e/L/DFIZ6017-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-43BLZcc/A)

Getting over to South America

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/0/13d86d2c/L/IWKN6859-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-r8pmQWx/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/0/538a6d05/L/NSLI7773-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-5RdxXrM/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/0/a5a3fa6e/L/DUTL7469-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8nKZ7XT/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/0/d3cbbc6e/L/RWPL7823-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7RcQrRn/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/0/edc46ad0/L/SVGS5034-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-fH8WR54/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/0/0a088e03/L/UFXD8636-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-WKXwVRV/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/0/99dfc62b/L/RNPV8940-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-vjSFZ3K/A)

Those non rally bikes are for spares and the dunes to play in once there.

Currently it’s last minute and a little pre-running shake downs

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/0/c1c1aa41/L/RGOI7009-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-wbbNkz7/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/0/772171c2/L/JZQQ2088-L.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Cn63tb5/A)

I'm not jealous at all!

Ockie is not at Dakar!!!!

Bas bossman and friends decided to skip Dakar. They are doing an adventure ride across Brazil. Fortalize to Peru
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2019, 10:25:08 pm
Just saw Ross

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/0b8a7ea5f3027a6ba19f5c73187107e6.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2019, 10:34:18 pm
And Kenny G (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190106/f79a52fa8ff01f269d28e3d7e3a843d4.png)

Now I can sleep
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 06, 2019, 10:56:13 pm
Okkie Vermuelen is the team medic for the BAS Trucks team.


Ockie is not at Dakar!!!!

Bas bossman and friends decided to skip Dakar. They are doing an adventure ride across Brazil. Fortalize to Peru

He just set me right too. I jumped the gun. I asked him to keep me updated on his trip and that I would feed it into here. Me presuming he was on Dakar.

Big boys with with monster toy budgets doing their own dakar of sorts.

Sorry to all.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 07, 2019, 08:10:02 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2019, 10:08:50 am
The ADVRider  "f5irehose" is go...  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2019, 10:10:29 am
I'm not clicking on any firehouse links this year. I have a major deadline in 4 weeks time  :-\

Going to only follow on here to try and retain some productivity in the next two weeks... so you lot better be on it  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: m0lt3n on January 07, 2019, 10:56:03 am
I'm not clicking on any firehouse links this year. I have a major deadline in 4 weeks time  :-\

Going to only follow on here to try and retain some productivity in the next two weeks... so you lot better be on it  :deal:

+1


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: woody1 on January 07, 2019, 11:47:42 am
 :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2019, 01:45:46 pm
Ross queuing to start the Prologue. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/a9c02220a50fe331abce7df34a0b0f3a.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Tuareg on January 07, 2019, 02:14:39 pm
 :thumright: :happy1: :ricky: :sip:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 07, 2019, 02:17:29 pm
Ross queuing to start the Prologue. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/a9c02220a50fe331abce7df34a0b0f3a.jpg)

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Are neck braces not required in Dakar?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2019, 02:35:21 pm
Are neck braces not required in Dakar?

Nope. Afaik no racing federation requires them. It's down to rider choice whether they have merit. And even though I ride with one I know they're not always effective.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dustman on January 07, 2019, 04:51:45 pm
Off they go!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 05:01:23 pm
Ross queuing to start the Prologue. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190107/a9c02220a50fe331abce7df34a0b0f3a.jpg)

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Are neck braces not required in Dakar?

This was just the showboat prologue anyway - hence no full kit etc. Neck braces are not mandatory but recommended.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2019, 05:41:12 pm
And they're off!!!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 05:58:42 pm
Ross and Kenny G through checkpoint 1 - at this rate my wife may divorce me or shove this laptop where the sun doesn’t shine!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 06:09:33 pm
Ross picking up the pace went through wp1 in 12 now 2nd At wp2.

I know this is boring but I have waited all year for this I will shut up for a bit
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 06:10:07 pm
And yes I know the big boys are still to come but who cares


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2019, 06:18:38 pm
Ross en Kenny loop mooi.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2019, 06:47:27 pm
Ross picking up the pace went through wp1 in 12 now 2nd At wp2.

I know this is boring but I have waited all year for this I will shut up for a bit
No man gooi. I'm sure we're all as excited

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Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 06:52:25 pm
Ross and Kenny done for the day


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Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 07:20:15 pm
I now I have my wife into trackingdakar - and I quote - “this is better than the highlights”

I’m no fool

But I have noticed that trackingdakar
Is quite far behind the Dakar app
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2019, 07:36:45 pm
And my favourite, van Beveren took a wrong turn within a km from the start - wtf, all the camera people waiting and he decides to turn away from them  :eek7:

Kevin Benavides looks good, but lets see what happens...

Kenny and Ross might make it into top 30 but still early days.  Will be the best year for them to try and beat Laia as she's been battling ilness for many months and definitely not 100%.  Interesting fact that she started 8 x Dakars and finshed all of them ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 07:46:50 pm
And my favourite, van Beveren took a wrong turn within a km from the start - wtf, all the camera people waiting and he decides to turn away from them  :eek7:

Kevin Benavides looks good, but lets see what happens...

Kenny and Ross might make it into top 30 but still early days.  Will be the best year for them to try and beat Laia as she's been battling ilness for many months and definitely not 100%.  Interesting fact that she started 8 x Dakars and finshed all of them ;)

The Princess is one proper tough kookie with serious vasbyt.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 07:53:58 pm
And my favourite, van Beveren took a wrong turn within a km from the start - wtf, all the camera people waiting and he decides to turn away from them  :eek7:

Kevin Benavides looks good, but lets see what happens...

Kenny and Ross might make it into top 30 but still early days.  Will be the best year for them to try and beat Laia as she's been battling ilness for many months and definitely not 100%.  Interesting fact that she started 8 x Dakars and finshed all of them ;)

Interesting and he is still flying - how did you see that he made a mistake ?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2019, 08:09:14 pm
And my favourite, van Beveren took a wrong turn within a km from the start - wtf, all the camera people waiting and he decides to turn away from them  :eek7:

Kevin Benavides looks good, but lets see what happens...

Kenny and Ross might make it into top 30 but still early days.  Will be the best year for them to try and beat Laia as she's been battling ilness for many months and definitely not 100%.  Interesting fact that she started 8 x Dakars and finshed all of them ;)

Interesting and he is still flying - how did you see that he made a mistake ?


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On this oke's fb page - he's been streaming the start live

https://www.facebook.com/revistanitro/videos/729888610729881/?fref=mentions&__xts__[0]=68.ARDps6u9Z3RQQCVuvYRz2FXxcaq4qw7SiywZdX95F4JgBTZWh4m9KBiJvZ9_4-E8UthCXlMQ352m6pYEHBIWLFQEi-qrWbskTZ4q6L4v83b9kihZQUMrLWll6vb6JGWZMIlJb65ifCf3jg29-epkf7P99DmQr6TQWUa_K81k5D19FgR19YGzkgudjzU3xhJeioQrwl23jAwRZ9mZGgvs7Eud2CplFCFDzfxUbFxC_Bya1cqxAgkNAjXf3pnpX9YdNS5pLZ9_VJyy1-8moXhKXydGRUb22vNdcYSWVVd1NBcshwC8Fg5izbS4AtRHG09G7XfB-VfjogDXL2oO-OZ5bFGzaskiZUZkbZ4W2wzo7aumf_-MwCZqGQebpJutfU08c3REwNSizjC9xNyQ4X5dDCBkUvpTffn9l-WTF_wwJboLb38wAZVr3n-j_eGwxE1K26XwWJk2yjev8KndzCVOyBix3l972oBdj41jvhpPW3RTfwF7PCvaaDJBnEFd&__tn__=K-R

Hope it helps
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2019, 08:15:59 pm
Muthafuckajones those front runners are quick :eek7: :eek7:

@ BD - you can say that again.  Let's see how many boys she'll beat this year  :laughing4:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2019, 08:16:30 pm
The Princess made wpts 1 and 2 in good time, now she's gone MIA? Huh?

She made it! Bit slow, but that doesn't matter for this short stage.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 08:27:11 pm
Price??
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dustman on January 07, 2019, 08:30:09 pm
" Looks like Sam, Liai, and Ivan were all riding together at WP2. A Kettle of KTMs? "

I think he meant Laia.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 08:37:27 pm
Price??

OK 6th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2019, 08:41:17 pm
Kenny and Ross did well!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 08:45:59 pm
Thanks hondsekierie - don’t know how you guys find these live streams - legends!

Laia beat Kenny by 5 mins - I mean I can’t compute that.... very impressive

That was interesting - Barreda proving his speed once again!






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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 08:46:09 pm
Kenny and Ross did well!

Ja 39 and 42
Stu Greg 84
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 07, 2019, 08:46:47 pm
Ross and Kenny 42nd and 39th respectively - not bad as an opener.  Stuart in 84th - you go boss!!

Toby sits ideal in 6th with only a 3 min time loss - he can potentially make a good dent by the end of stage 2.  Can't believe that Gonk's spleen was removed a month ago and he still races  :eek7:

Love this crazy race!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2019, 08:47:14 pm
Thanks hondsekierie - don’t know how you guys find these live streams - legends!

Laia beat Kenny by 5 mins - I mean I can’t compute that.... very impressive

That was interesting - Barreda proving his speed once again!


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Very early days - esp for Bang Bang  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2019, 09:09:42 pm
My favourite in 3rd. Go Ricky
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2019, 09:22:19 pm
Thanks hondsekierie - don’t know how you guys find these live streams - legends!

Laia beat Kenny by 5 mins - I mean I can’t compute that.... very impressive

That was interesting - Barreda proving his speed once again!


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Very early days - esp for Bang Bang  ::)

Notice I said speed not ability to hang in til the end


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: billy-joe on January 07, 2019, 09:42:10 pm
someone post a link pls. this is a bit too confusing for me right now...
Title: Dakar 2019
Post by: dustlover on January 08, 2019, 07:43:35 am
Morning Dogs,

Anyone watching Dakar? I watched Stage 1 yesterday and those bikers have proper skills, some doing jumps that would make Travis Pastrana and his crowd proud. Should be and interesting race.

My money's on Joan Barreda but let's see.

Anyone know how to stream it rather than watching on DSTV?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2019, 07:43:35 am
And here starts the most unproductive 2 weeks of my year....  Again.  Thanking everyone in advance for the updates and banter.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Ventana on January 08, 2019, 07:47:39 am
Ross picking up the pace went through wp1 in 12 now 2nd At wp2.

I know this is boring but I have waited all year for this I will shut up for a bit


Please don't stop - the only way i know what's going on is F5 on this thread.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2019
Post by: adrekruger on January 08, 2019, 08:00:51 am
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XDWVSA4H1W11/stage-1-dakar-daily-en
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: edgy on January 08, 2019, 08:41:30 am
I would seriously be so happy for any manufacturer other than orange to pull something out the bag this year!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2019, 09:03:34 am
I would seriously be so happy for any manufacturer other than orange to pull something out the bag this year!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Whyme on January 08, 2019, 09:08:17 am
The ADVRider  "f5irehose" is go...  8)

Link please.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cdp13 on January 08, 2019, 09:29:53 am
Well done Ross, Kenny and Stuart! Butterflies should settle down now.

Apart from them three, I'm rooting for Nimfotova (sexy russian doing Malle Moto), the Two Garcias (also Malle Moto), Nicola Dutto (the paraplygic Itialian guy) and a few other back markers. Not sure what chance Nicola Dutto actually stands to finish - I just can't see it happening. But like Joey Evans showed us, the impossible sometimes does happen.. can someone smarter than me post a pic of his bike? Interesting build with crashbars and braces everywhere.

Regarding the front runners - hope AVB or BB can pull it of. I'm a KTM fanboy, but healthy competition is always good.

Also rooting for Sebastian Loeb - watched a doccie on him recently, and apparently the guy didn't start racing until his early/mid 20's. Will also be cool if any of the Gazoo team can win.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2019, 09:56:00 am
From ADVRider https://imgur.com/a/YQz5v9U
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 10:00:19 am
Nicola Dutto (the paraplygic Itialian guy) and a few other back markers. Not sure what chance Nicola Dutto actually stands to finish - I just can't see it happening. But like Joey Evans showed us, the impossible sometimes does happen.. can someone smarter than me post a pic of his bike? Interesting build with crashbars and braces everywhere.


He's in a team of 4. I am guessing the other 3's job is to pick him up when he takes the inevitable tumble. I see in the standings for the first day he came 107th of 135. you can see him on the start podium with his buddies @ 1:12:23

&t=14s

Truly heroic! Just making it to the start let alone completing the first day is quite something. I'll be rooting for him too.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JFE on January 08, 2019, 10:02:07 am
Took this from the Dakar FB page, think this might have been a difficult landing

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 08, 2019, 10:21:15 am
Good luck to Kenny, Ross and Stuart.........keep it tidy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 10:32:48 am
Laia beat Kenny by 5 mins - I mean I can’t compute that.... very impressive
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The great equalizer is navigation. Or probably in her and all the factory riders' case the great advantage.

I was passed 3 times on a stage by Greg Millar on one Amageza and still beat him. He's frighteningly fast - I tried once to stay with him but it was just waay too scary. I felt sorry for the rocks he was smashing into. But, he'd lose a ton of time having to backtrack because navigating accurately at those speeds is impossible.

All the factory teams have plotters on the team. Their job is to take the roadbook when they get given out the during the briefing the night before and plot and virtually "fly" the route on Google Earth. They make note of tricky bits and importantly look for shortcuts or places of importance strategically. They then show the route to the riders and help mark up the roadbook. So, when the riders get onto the stage they are way more prepared and make much less mistakes than average Joe who only gets to see the route whilst on it.

These factory riders have a far better idea of what's coming and more importantly, where they can gain valuable time.

There is a proposal that will probably be implemented in the next year or so where they will be using digital roadbooks. Some rallies already allow them. The riders get the route 10 minutes before the stage, it will be automatically formatted in the riders preferred colours and styles. This will serve two purposes;

1 - It makes it fairer.
2 - It will slow down the pace - everyone is riding blind, so to speak.

Paper is relatively failsafe unless you get it wet or you utterly destroy your roadbook holder (very tough things). Digital roadbooks are a little more fragile.

There another reason she's faster;

Kenny's paying for his Dakar she's getting paid. She can ride at the limit of the bikes mechanical ability knowing that she has a bottomless parts bin to draw on. She basically gets to start the next day on a new bike. He's got to nurse his one bike from start to finish. Mechanical sympathy is super important in getting to the finish line and she's clearly good at that, but it's a huge safety net when you know you have a brand new bike every day.

Navigation and very deep pockets gets one very far. Riding skill is but one aspect.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 10:42:11 am
Thanks Kamanya

Always appreciate your insights and experience -

I agree that the navigation is key - to back your point up I  heard Sebastian Loeb on tv yesterday saying that Dakar is different to any other race he does because only in Dakar is it 50% him and 50% his navigator
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 08, 2019, 10:51:53 am
This is also a great link run by locals: https://t.me/joinchat/BlzgXxChRjY3fQUTKlaEWg (https://t.me/joinchat/BlzgXxChRjY3fQUTKlaEWg)


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 11:15:38 am
There's a guy on ADVrider Hogwild who, of all things, once entered the Dakar on a Harley sidecar. I think they made a few stages on it. Anyway he has a knack of being able to pre-plot the route accurately using a variety of methods and Google Earth. That is, to take the given information and work out the route long before the roadbook is given out. He is remarkably accurate and once offered his services to Robby Gordon and others. (Robby wouldn't hire him). Our own @BlueBull2007 is pretty good at doing it too. Last year I tried it and got reasonably close. Using a variety of inputs such as, the given altitudes, distance, spectator points and refuels and Google Earth one can do it. It is laborious and very time consuming.

Anyway, you can be sure that all the factory teams have guys who are pro's at this.

Todays stage was plotted by Hogwild and you can bet that the factory  teams have long had this too -

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-7_23-42-58-png.1494402/)

You can fly it yourself  (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_154693913389515&key=bd6e9e4af3ef4c3b28d0749544f8d72b&libId=jqnj2ug40102eg4l000DAfi4u3th0&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-25&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVNVXCb0XQ0Q&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-26&title=DAKAR%202019%20-%20official%20race%20coverage%20-%20the%20f5irehose%20is%20ALIVE.%20%7C%20Page%2025%20%7C%20Adventure%20Rider&txt=Video%20tour%20of%20the%20whole%20Special)-

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2019, 12:16:18 pm
Todays stage was plotted by Hogwild and you can bet that the factory  teams have long had this too -

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-7_23-42-58-png.1494402/)

You can fly it yourself  (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_154693913389515&key=bd6e9e4af3ef4c3b28d0749544f8d72b&libId=jqnj2ug40102eg4l000DAfi4u3th0&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-25&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVNVXCb0XQ0Q&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-26&title=DAKAR%202019%20-%20official%20race%20coverage%20-%20the%20f5irehose%20is%20ALIVE.%20%7C%20Page%2025%20%7C%20Adventure%20Rider&txt=Video%20tour%20of%20the%20whole%20Special)-

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Firstly, that's bit of an eye opener. Shows how naive I am. Didn't know that it was possible probably because the option never entered my mind.

Secondly, holy shit that looks tough
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: edgy on January 08, 2019, 12:21:22 pm
Respect! :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Whyme on January 08, 2019, 12:47:23 pm
Respect! :o

Respect to him !

But someone is going to be working overtime picking bike up. Without use of your legs I assume he will be dropping bike more than others will be.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2019, 12:53:51 pm
Respect!

Damn that is going to be hard work for all involved.
Ons thing they should have fitted is two stabelizer wheels that can be electrically lowered or lifted for when coming into pits or refueling. No need for someone to catch him then.

All my best wishes for this guy. :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2019, 01:27:41 pm
Huge respect!!!

I'm amazed they're allowing it though, it would make more sense for him to do it on a quad.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 01:30:16 pm
Huge respect!!!

I'm amazed they're allowing it though, it would make more sense for him to do it on a quad.

I would have thought that too until I started doing a little reading up. He finished the Merzouga rally reasonably respectably. His only limitations are in my head.

Here's his whole story...

https://www.vicair.com/nicola-dutto/dakar-2019/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2019, 01:34:34 pm
Huge respect!!!

I'm amazed they're allowing it though, it would make more sense for him to do it on a quad.

I would have thought that too until I started doing a little reading up. He finished the Merzouga rally reasonably respectably. His only limitations are in my head.

Here's his whole story...

https://www.vicair.com/nicola-dutto/dakar-2019/

Thanks!!!

How am I supposed to work now   :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 08, 2019, 01:36:35 pm
Laia beat Kenny by 5 mins - I mean I can’t compute that.... very impressive
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The great equalizer is navigation. Or probably in her and all the factory riders' case the great advantage.

I was passed 3 times on a stage by Greg Millar on one Amageza and still beat him. He's frighteningly fast - I tried once to stay with him but it was just waay too scary. I felt sorry for the rocks he was smashing into. But, he'd lose a ton of time having to backtrack because navigating accurately at those speeds is impossible.

All the factory teams have plotters on the team. Their job is to take the roadbook when they get given out the during the briefing the night before and plot and virtually "fly" the route on Google Earth. They make note of tricky bits and importantly look for shortcuts or places of importance strategically. They then show the route to the riders and help mark up the roadbook. So, when the riders get onto the stage they are way more prepared and make much less mistakes than average Joe who only gets to see the route whilst on it.

These factory riders have a far better idea of what's coming and more importantly, where they can gain valuable time.

There is a proposal that will probably be implemented in the next year or so where they will be using digital roadbooks. Some rallies already allow them. The riders get the route 10 minutes before the stage, it will be automatically formatted in the riders preferred colours and styles. This will serve two purposes;

1 - It makes it fairer.
2 - It will slow down the pace - everyone is riding blind, so to speak.

Paper is relatively failsafe unless you get it wet or you utterly destroy your roadbook holder (very tough things). Digital roadbooks are a little more fragile.

There another reason she's faster;

Kenny's paying for his Dakar she's getting paid. She can ride at the limit of the bikes mechanical ability knowing that she has a bottomless parts bin to draw on. She basically gets to start the next day on a new bike. He's got to nurse his one bike from start to finish. Mechanical sympathy is super important in getting to the finish line and she's clearly good at that, but it's a huge safety net when you know you have a brand new bike every day.

Navigation and very deep pockets gets one very far. Riding skill is but one aspect.

Do not underestimate Laia's riding ability, I recon she will make Kenny look like a amateur under equal conditions; just check this out from a few years ago where she made  Quinn Coddy and Johnny Campbell look like amateurs, and she was riding a loaned bike.

http://www.enduro360.com/2013/07/25/products-tested/baja-beach-bash-on-sherco-300i/

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: King Louis on January 08, 2019, 01:39:04 pm
Read in an overseas comment from one of the top KTM guys that they feel they are at a disadvantage due to the Dakar being held in one country only, which leads to the routes having more sand parts than on any previous Dakar. So the leading guys are actually "carving" the route and others just have to follow and it is therefore so much easier to navigate.

What do our rally experts say?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: TheBear on January 08, 2019, 01:48:59 pm
Read in an overseas comment from one of the top KTM guys that they feel they are at a disadvantage due to the Dakar being held in one country only, which leads to the routes having more sand parts than on any previous Dakar. So the leading guys are actually "carving" the route and others just have to follow and it is therefore so much easier to navigate.

What do our rally experts say?

Navigation for the bikes could play a role, making it easier for the "followers" I suppose.

Interesting about the cars, this sand upon sand upon sand will definitely be a handicap for the 4x4's like the Toyotas.  The rules allow for the 4x2's to have much bigger wheels and that seem to work better in the deep sand.  Up to 2018 the 4x2's were also allowed to deflate/inflate wheels on the fly while the 4x4's were not allowed this perk.  I am not sure if that is still valid as there was talk that it may change.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 01:54:15 pm
Go on, subscribe...


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: AdventureBoy on January 08, 2019, 02:21:03 pm
Hi everyone
On an earlier post there was a suggestion to use Junto Journey to follow the Dakar. I have loaded the app on my phone (Samsung A5) and logged on using my Facebook logon. When try to open a journey (Nuts4Dakar) the screen dims and the 5 little bars expand and contract, but no connection is made. AM I missing something. Any one with some advise will be appreciated.

Regards
AdventureBoy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 02:22:08 pm
Saw an interview of Kenny of Facebook - he says the steep faces in the dunes are tricky - anyway regarding speed he says he was only going 80% because any faster and he would crash - just a lack of experience in those conditions.




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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:41:01 pm
From facebook group "Southern Africa Dakar Group"

Quote
Stage 2 start timing for the Southern Africans - South Africa time.
Note: Team SVR incurred a 20 minute penalty for missing a WP yesterday, so that bumps them from 45 to 101 sadly.
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49625890_797431017278241_5184471897928105984_n.png?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=1bf44769eabf0dd43bed22e7168b4b96&oe=5C8DF664)

Idea of the terrain today

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49947405_2157907537601875_7978818263981228032_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=34c53714a055746c086aa424bd55f41b&oe=5CCF6322)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:43:06 pm
Helluva shot

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49776626_2158156337576995_3627875260507881472_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=6695e0a8e8bc130bcdef4cf773c2a49a&oe=5CD0CCB0)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 02:45:08 pm
There must be something to these buggies!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:45:50 pm
There goes my resolution to have a productive two weeks  :xxbah:

All of these are from the Dakar fb page

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49555851_2157905860935376_2795106201602359296_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=9fd966eb2fb3e7ed4ad52dc2462d79fb&oe=5CCEB317)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49755942_2157907327601896_4082960404530069504_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=41718c583ec9d6750b0783e707d91539&oe=5CC26730)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49210959_2157907627601866_3819126138404339712_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=c230da265ee2d7d6b94fa6e58b5974bc&oe=5CC2CA00)

Nasser caning the hell out of that hilux yesterday
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49577977_2157906160935346_5149065351476019200_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=3ac051fe101ee56d79e74bfdaf1e9536&oe=5CD064C5)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 08, 2019, 02:50:56 pm
It's very early days but following the tracking sheet it's good to see the 4x4 Hilux's are staying with the Mini's in the soft sand. They seem to be trading the lead constantly. It's going to make for exciting racing  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:51:07 pm
Some more

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49647040_2157911634268132_8418381683958480896_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=f739f3bf297df21f4f6819a6319e9ee3&oe=5CCB93E2)

I know these aren't bikes but damn these guys can drive. Proper balls to the wall racing
(https://cdn-2.motorsport.com/images/amp/6b7ABZp0/s6/300-x-raid-mini-jcw-team-carlo.jpg)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:52:45 pm
It's very early days but following the tracking sheet it's good to see the 4x4 Hilux's are staying with the Mini's in the soft sand. They seem to be trading the lead constantly. It's going to make for exciting racing  :thumleft:

Ja this is awesome. 3 Toyota's in the top 5 for now  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 02:57:29 pm


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2019, 03:04:12 pm




Who's that at 1:09?  :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cdp13 on January 08, 2019, 03:05:22 pm
Nicola Dutto (the paraplygic Itialian guy) and a few other back markers. Not sure what chance Nicola Dutto actually stands to finish - I just can't see it happening. But like Joey Evans showed us, the impossible sometimes does happen.. can someone smarter than me post a pic of his bike? Interesting build with crashbars and braces everywhere.


He's in a team of 4. I am guessing the other 3's job is to pick him up when he takes the inevitable tumble. I see in the standings for the first day he came 107th of 135. you can see him on the start podium with his buddies @ 1:12:23

&t=14s

Truly heroic! Just making it to the start let alone completing the first day is quite something. I'll be rooting for him too.

Didn't realise he had 4 man support team. Then he might just stand a chance. Will be cheering him on.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2019, 03:08:04 pm
Dammit those are awesome!!!!  :drif:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 03:12:27 pm
There must be something to these buggies!!!!

OK, Robbie is not that fast....

"Stage 2 Update: Because Robby, Blade & Cole get to stop for fuel halfway in this stage, timing and scoring factors in the fueling downtime from the start, so they will show as early leaders in stage. We will post updates after fuel stop"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2019, 03:13:55 pm
Who's that at 1:09?  :eek7: :eek7:

I may be wrong but looks like Barreda? Doesn't look like his kit from yesterday though so not sure.
Brabec maybe?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2019, 03:29:29 pm
Middag kerels

Remind me how to read this please: Are the times displayed under each WP for that WP specifically or overall up to that waypoint, e.g. was Giniel the fastest overall from start to WP2 or did he post the fastest time between WP1 and 2? I seem to remember it to be the latter but I'm not quite able to convince myself.

(https://puu.sh/Ctu6u/1677b0a107.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: lpj on January 08, 2019, 03:53:19 pm
Middag kerels

Remind me how to read this please: Are the times displayed under each WP for that WP specifically or overall up to that waypoint, e.g. was Giniel the fastest overall from start to WP2 or did he post the fastest time between WP1 and 2? I seem to remember it to be the latter but I'm not quite able to convince myself.

(https://puu.sh/Ctu6u/1677b0a107.png)

It's the gap to fastest time to that waypoint. E.g. Sainz was fastest to WP1, and Al-Attiyah was 13th fastest to WP1, 1:41 behind Sainz. By WP3 Sainz has dropped back to 14th, 4:14 behind the fastest guy, and Al-Attiyah is standing at 11th, 3:34 behind the leader.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2019, 04:00:45 pm
Ah OK, I would have had it wrong, thanks.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2019, 04:10:33 pm
Use this one rather...

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-2/cars/live/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2019, 04:16:39 pm
Oh thanks, that's the one I remember!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2019, 04:41:27 pm
Giniel first so far.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2019, 04:46:06 pm
Ok.
Not anymore.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 08, 2019, 04:55:43 pm
Ok.
Not anymore.

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You were only wrong for the stage results. However, Gniel moved into the overall lead of the cars.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 08, 2019, 05:20:37 pm
Early days, but great for him!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 05:22:23 pm
Kenny with a bad start but Ross doing pretty good to wp1 through 17th fastest - yeah boy!!!

Going into a meeting now - damn
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 05:26:25 pm
I know it’s too Early to get excited but the man is only 3:48 off the pace next fastest is Toby then the two metges then svitko.

Mixing it with the big boys for now

I’m happy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2019, 05:55:21 pm
Whoever said that Barreda can't navigate must rethink, he's no slouch and still leads on the route.  Brabec caught up well but since WP3 he's been losing time again.  Walkner the big gainer and Pablo somehow dropped off the radar  - really hope he's well and only tracking problem.

Ross is really smoking it today and he's obviously a very quick learner when it comes to navigation - he must just not fluff it by going too hard too soon. But heh, the man is a born racer and I'm just a keyboard jockey  :biggrin:

Seems Kenny had a bad time but is at least climbing back in the ranks since WP1.

Early days but less than 1 min splitting the top 3 at WP5 overall is just an indication of the competition and how pro it has become.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2019, 05:59:45 pm
Ross 21st through WP3

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2019, 07:21:25 pm
Bang Bang in the ASS in pos one again  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 07:23:51 pm
Ross 19th through wp6 - what a legend


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2019, 07:24:05 pm
Whats up with Pablo Quintanilla? Out? Tracking?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 08, 2019, 07:33:26 pm
Whats up with Pablo Quintanilla? Out? Tracking?

Pablo is in the ASS. He was going well all along, just a tracking problem. Tracking is currently a bit buggered.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 08, 2019, 07:43:04 pm
10:03 De Villiers now leads the general standings
Bernhard Ten Brinke has finished the stage in third place, 1’20’’ behind the winner. However, Giniel de Villiers (who finished 4th) is the day’s big winner, because the Toyota driver has taken command in the general standings in front of his Dutch rival.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2019, 08:09:41 pm
Bang Bang in the ASS in pos one again  :imaposer:

Actually see Walkner presently in that spot after collation. Seriously close up front
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 08:46:04 pm
Respect guys Ross is an absolute Lege


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2019, 09:14:05 pm
Respect guys Ross is an absolute Lege


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Kenny Gilbert 40
Ross Branch 43


Always interesting when it all shakes down at the end of the stage.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: LionBuell on January 08, 2019, 09:19:08 pm
This link from adv rider. Works well on my phone.

https://dakartiming.eu

Thanks for the comments and input guys!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 08, 2019, 09:26:51 pm
Respect guys Ross is an absolute Lege


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Kenny Gilbert 40
Ross Branch 43


Always interesting when it all shakes down at the end of the stage.

That was their starting positions this morning.

Ross improved from overall  43rd to 30th provisional while Kenny has remained in overall 40th position

Like I said, provisional times only as it might still be subject to penalties
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2019, 10:13:03 pm
Respect guys Ross is an absolute Lege


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Kenny Gilbert 40
Ross Branch 43


Always interesting when it all shakes down at the end of the stage.

Correct me if I’m wrong but I Think you’re looking at yesterday’s stage
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 03:57:30 am
:laughing7: Yes a few time penalties here for wrong info ;D

Ross Branch - 22th on the stage, 30th overall :notworthy:

Kenneth Gilbert - 42nd on the stage, 40th overall :hello2:

Stuart Gregory - 100th on the stage 81st overall :hello2:


Its early days yet, though this Dakar will be over in just 8 days time, much quicker than usual. I think the fast, crazy guys will have an advantage running the gauntlet of crashes and blown up bikes near the end of the race and surviving given that it is 4 whole days shorter, with much less liaison riding.

The dunes are complicated and there will be lots of navigation mistakes me thinks. The sand in Peru in places is so fine its virtually un-ridable, and this will make up a lot for the shorter distances. In places it is like riding in water; seemingly defying physics.  I became quite good at dune riding when I lived in Peru and know many of these areas but even when you know what you are doing, when they get short and choppy they are really, really exhausting to ride, extremely difficult to stay on course and impossible to get into any kind of riding rhythm. I think we will see people getting really stuck out there.

They say there wont be altitude, but I am sure they will take the guys up into the Andes up some ridges or something. I certainly hope so - there are some really awesome rides from sea level up to 3000- 4000m altitude on narrow, bike-only tracks with cliffs on either side, that kind of thing.

If Bang Bang has a chance, it will be this year or never. I am predicting he will win the stage tomorrow because he will be following Matthias. I am watching Sam because he is a dune specialist as well. I think he has a better chance of winning it than Bang Bang. Ricky Brabec has impressed me as well, he is fast, and it would be very good for the race to make the podium.

Our boys are doing really well, given they will not be used to this kind of terrain. The best dune riding in the world.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 04:33:53 am
Read in an overseas comment from one of the top KTM guys that they feel they are at a disadvantage due to the Dakar being held in one country only, which leads to the routes having more sand parts than on any previous Dakar. So the leading guys are actually "carving" the route and others just have to follow and it is therefore so much easier to navigate.

What do our rally experts say?

Yes, those who are sand specialists will have the edge. But there is also some rocky stuff and WRC style tracks that will form parts of the specials. Navigation may be easier so long as the leader does not make a mistake. But when he does and he will -no doubt- then following the tracks becomes a complete and utter nightmare. I bet you tomorrow or the next day we will see guys riding in circles, and looking at each others road books.  :imaposer:

Getting the navigation right riding off-piste (HP) is really important and I think will be key. Someone near the front could easily gain 30 minutes over everyone else with very little chance of anyone clawing it back. Should make it interesting.

There's a guy on ADVrider Hogwild who, of all things, once entered the Dakar on a Harley sidecar. I think they made a few stages on it. Anyway he has a knack of being able to pre-plot the route accurately using a variety of methods and Google Earth. That is, to take the given information and work out the route long before the roadbook is given out. He is remarkably accurate and once offered his services to Robby Gordon and others. (Robby wouldn't hire him). Our own @BlueBull2007 is pretty good at doing it too. Last year I tried it and got reasonably close. Using a variety of inputs such as, the given altitudes, distance, spectator points and refuels and Google Earth one can do it. It is laborious and very time consuming.

Anyway, you can be sure that all the factory teams have guys who are pro's at this.

Todays stage was plotted by Hogwild and you can bet that the factory  teams have long had this too -

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-7_23-42-58-png.1494402/)

You can fly it yourself  (https://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go&jsonp=vglnk_154693913389515&key=bd6e9e4af3ef4c3b28d0749544f8d72b&libId=jqnj2ug40102eg4l000DAfi4u3th0&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-25&v=1&out=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVNVXCb0XQ0Q&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fadvrider.com%2Ff%2Fthreads%2Fdakar-2019-official-race-coverage-the-f5irehose-is-alive.1358013%2Fpage-26&title=DAKAR%202019%20-%20official%20race%20coverage%20-%20the%20f5irehose%20is%20ALIVE.%20%7C%20Page%2025%20%7C%20Adventure%20Rider&txt=Video%20tour%20of%20the%20whole%20Special)-

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Thanks for the kind words Andrew - your effort last year wasn't bad either! I don't have much time to look at it this year, but it is great fun figuring out the routes. Hogwild is the master but I suspect (though he denies!) he has access to US military-grade satellite imagery which is a lot more detailed. I think he might be picking up the zero bike & car's tracks which secretly pre-run one to two months before each Dakar.

While we are sure the top guys have people helping them with routes in their RV's, its a) never been proven and in b) doubtful how much it really helps. When you have a road book with 700 tulip diagrams to follow while you are criss-crossing the desert you certainly aren't going to to be able to remember a Google earth flyby. You may be able to mark a couple of key places where there might be a cryptic instruction but apart from that, the front runner still regularly get lost and go wrong.

Its a little bit like trying to swat for an exam having spent on one day in class the whole semester.

At the end of the day your going to have to look at your ico's and follow your road book, which, if clearly and simply marked will help you minimize errors. The guys opening the course has the toughest time of it, but those following, if astute, make up a lot of time by merely confirming the turns made by the lead bike.

Having an electronic road book may seem easier but the electronics can fail, and the whole spirit of navigation will be removed because the road book marking thing is an art in itself. Some do it well and other do it badly, and those that do it well are able to ride to it more easily and faster. I really hope it does not come to pass but I suppose when the millennials get to control rally, we will see it happen.

Call me old fashioned but to me part is the challenge is having to spend another 2-3 hours each day not sleeping but marking your road book for the next day.  It certainly saved my bacon a few times too.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 06:09:39 am
Some pics from the last couple of days (please let me know if you cant see some of them.  :deal:):
Apologies for any reposts.

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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar-2019/i-jDxBrTj/0/2faabbc2/XL/ss149540934_2157908247601804_8339198447118712832_o-XL.jpg)


(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar-2019/i-PqFsqfN/0/df557b94/XL/ss1aaaa-XL.jpg)


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(https://photos.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar-2019/i-QH9Q6Lb/0/95089a6f/XL/ss149900418_2157906077602021_1568987270176833536_o-XL.jpg)


(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/lrm_export_30377286254901_20190107_131113535-1-jpeg.1493692/)

(https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-jpg/metge-etape-1/14679/0:0,1200:800-1000-0-70/48d01)

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/lrm_export_30276233882543_20190107_130932482-jpeg.1493625/)

(http://www.wvagencia.com.br/totem/dakar-2019/downloadrally/id/1073449?piloto=104)

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/104__dk19_victoreleuterio_010511-jpg.1494966/)



A very well-marked road book  :deal:
(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-7_9-16-4-png.1493186/)


Anton - My heart is shouting for this guy this year.  :ricky:


(https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/attachments/lrm_export_27960974275525_20190107_121515426-jpeg.197612/)

SS1 Action from Fr4
(https://i.imgur.com/T33EXOo.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/okJSz4s.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/FE2rgBn.mp4)

 :drif: :drif: :drif: :drif:
(https://i.imgur.com/3801UCq.gif)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2019, 06:59:06 am
Big blow with Ross losing 15minutes today after having to swap his engine out due to a broken 6th gear. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/63c2e81f42bad0cdc8eb68aad20829c1.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Edgar on January 09, 2019, 07:14:35 am
Those mechanics must be a special breed of guy. Talk about working under pressure.....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 07:40:14 am
Ag no man. Poor Ross. At least he is still in and this did not happen tomorrow. Which will be brutal.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Warren Ellwood on January 09, 2019, 07:52:35 am
So when I get home each evening I watch the recorded Supersport program, then go to Red Bull TV to watch the Dakar Daily report and any other clips they have, then go to YouTube to see what they have, there is the official Dakar channel and a host of private channels where folks out in the dunes along the race route are uploading clips they have filmed themselves. the bits you see on Supersport are in fact available on the Dakar YouTube channel.

These private clips are quite interesting, last night I watched some where they are so close you can properly hear the sounds of the truck engines, really awesome, they sound like V12's or something.

Also, there was some dune drop off where they guys on the bikes were braking quite harshly to go down a fairly massive drop off, except one guy who either wasn't aware or just loves flying motorcycles, because it was a very impressive "jump", and he nailed it. We are barred from YouTube at work so I will see if I can find it again tonight and post the link.

Anyway, its the first year where I have access to fiber, uncapped data, smart TV etc and I am really enjoying the ability to see more than the usual 10 minute segment on Supersport.




 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2019, 08:03:36 am
Also, there was some dune drop off where they guys on the bikes were braking quite harshly to go down a fairly massive drop off, except one guy who either wasn't aware or just loves flying motorcycles, because it was a very impressive "jump", and he nailed it.


There were no race numbers on that bike or rider and the landing has very few tracks on it. It was probably a spectator with a rally bike next to the race course goofing off.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2019, 08:05:21 am
Interesting bulletin issued by the organisers(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/04ddba7c916cc02ec63035ff91888140.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 08:34:15 am
I'm guessing 15mins for Ross in the great scheme of things won't be too much of an issue if they have one or two days of very tricky navigation. So glad to see he's living up to our expectations and delivering the goods... not that I ever doubted he would  ;D I'm expecting Kenny to pick up the pace as the race progresses, I think he's just playing it cautious in the beginning (wisely of course).

Stuart's video clip this morning was very entertaining. He mentioned he's struggling in the dunes and losing places but that he's much faster on the hard pack and then gains places back. He also commented on how fast and scary those big trucks are when they catch you  ;D He's playing a cool game but after 2 stages you can already see the fatigue in his face. It's still going to get greasy out there  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 08:36:59 am
Its early days yet, though this Dakar will be over in just 8 days time, much quicker than usual. I think the fast, crazy guys will have an advantage running the gauntlet of crashes and blown up bikes near the end of the race and surviving given that it is 4 whole days shorter, with much less liaison riding.

This I believe is the one thing that might ruin this years dakar just a bit from my enthusiast point of view.  A large part of the dakar has always been the endurance factor where liasons play a massive role in stretching out the days. Less/shorter liasons will mean less fatigue/time on the seat I suspect.

That said, the riding as you've mentioned must be absolutely brutal and the terrain is perfect dakar style stuff at least.

But for the proper dakar endurance wringer I think last year was a very good dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2019, 09:19:49 am
Back to Nicola Dutto for a bit...

How's this for a little splash of holy shit!

2017: Merzouga Rally finish line, Oillibya Rally finish line
2016: Vegas to Reno 9th
2015: Baja Europe 4th
2013: Low 1000 3rd
2012: Baja Aragon 24th
2008 and 2009 European and Italian Champion Baja
2006: Spanish Champion Rally TT
2004: Spanish Champion Rally TT

He broke his back in 2010. 2011 he was in a buggy 9 months after becoming paralysed and did his first motorcycle race in 2012.

I think he's gifted with that rare gene that makes concrete. Respect.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2019, 09:22:35 am
Also, there was some dune drop off where they guys on the bikes were braking quite harshly to go down a fairly massive drop off, except one guy who either wasn't aware or just loves flying motorcycles, because it was a very impressive "jump", and he nailed it.


There were no race numbers on that bike or rider and the landing has very few tracks on it. It was probably a spectator with a rally bike next to the race course goofing off.

I might be wrong... there's a #1 on the front of that bike...

https://www.facebook.com/franco.guzman.98478/videos/vb.100005811213041/960274620842903/?type=2&video_source=user_video_tab
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 09:30:36 am
Some pics from SS2

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49742649_2159301557462473_7892274621427220480_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=f8284fb22a0621ebd00ecbe32d87cb8c&oe=5CD25275)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49664386_2159301397462489_8145187137906540544_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=20faf8f82c83d97d05d90d0b84f4c063&oe=5C904E65)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49587681_2159301230795839_2959845526280863744_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=5e23befbe8b85ac22786fe312c547f0f&oe=5CCA1376)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49555845_2159301770795785_5527806541278740480_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=e9c78775eb866ca7bf533eece2c53f34&oe=5CC319AA)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 09:34:51 am
And then of course some princess Laia pictures from SS1 and SS2. She may not be on top form but she'll still ride circles around many guys  :ricky:

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49731926_2082289451847553_6677730626864414720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=2d32e4922d113793640f2aa433afcc5e&oe=5CBC4BB5)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49671226_2083758808367284_4826882752043286528_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=0adf72bc9f94feb73d8fb96138b17e10&oe=5CD32C67)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 01:21:12 pm
Bikes are starting the Liaison now . . . I have at least read some emails up to now . . .  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: The_Pantoffel on January 09, 2019, 01:38:44 pm
Any idea where to follow via streaming or via live channels or dstv? Or what the best method is? I've been looking around but can't find much... am keeping track via instagram atm...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 01:41:28 pm
The pack of Honda's is hunting down Mathias . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 01:47:18 pm
Any idea where to follow via streaming or via live channels or dstv? Or what the best method is? I've been looking around but can't find much... am keeping track via instagram atm...

Hi Pantoffel! See it is your first post. Here is your first answer:

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2019-dakar-adv-f5-resources-list-timing-schedules-etc-roadworks.1274797/

There is a few links as you scroll down for TV/Video coverage. There was a website last year through which you could stream FranceTV. Don't know if that link is on the page.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:02:17 pm
So far trough WP1 it is an all Honda story 1st 2nd and 3rd
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:10:30 pm
Looks like De Soultrait on the Jamaha 4th trough WP1
Still Brabec and Barredda fastest trough WP2 for now
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2019, 02:14:19 pm
Bietjie van topic af maar amazing om te sien!!!

https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1PWUKD7HW1W11/paying-the-price
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:18:40 pm
WP2
Quintanilla catching up nicely so far 3rd fastest trough
With The Jamaha 4th and then Toby 5th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 02:28:32 pm
In other news (on Instagram), Toby is already complaining about his wrist hurting from the constant pounding in the dunes and then he went and got struck yesterday and had to manhandle the bike and hurt it even more. I'm doubtful he's going to be able to finish this rally, despite being a bloody tough aussie  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:29:01 pm
Ross so far 17th trough WP1  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:30:23 pm
In other news (on Instagram), Toby is already complaining about his wrist hurting from the constant pounding in the dunes and then he went and got struck yesterday and had to manhandle the bike and hurt it even more. I'm doubtful he's going to be able to finish this rally, despite being a bloody tough aussie  ???

Eish they should have stopped him from riding . . .  :xxbah: So blerry sad was really looking forward to see that man in full form  :xxbah: :xxbah:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 02:31:53 pm
Oh, and Sunderland is married to Van Beverens sister... who's a very cute little blond  ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 02:34:54 pm
Ross so far 17th trough WP1  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Ross would do well to hang with Princess Sanz and learn some navigation tricks but I have a feeling he's be too quick for her on the open stuff.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:38:10 pm
Yes he seems to be really fast. Reaaly hoping that he keeps it together and finishes in a good spot . . . .
Seems to have gone trough WP1 around 23rd  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 02:39:00 pm
Oh, and Sunderland is married to Van Beverens sister... who's a very cute little blond  ;D

Are you sure? Sunderland wife's dad is on Avdrider and he has never talked about his son in any racing....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 02:41:51 pm
Ross 19th through WP2
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 02:42:10 pm
Oh, and Sunderland is married to Van Beverens sister... who's a very cute little blond  ;D

Are you sure? Sunderland wife's dad is on Avdrider and he has never talked about his son in any racing....

Yep, I saw it on Redbull TV last night. She works on the Yamaha squad at the Dakar as well. She was the reason he moved from Dubai to France as well.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 02:43:51 pm
50 kilometres into the stage, and with the competitors entering the first dune section of the day, the race is closer than ever, with the top 11 riders within 1′45″.
07:14 Brabec back on the offensive

Ricky Brabec is setting the same infernal pace as yesterday. The Honda rider holds the lead 50 km into the stage, just nine seconds ahead of Joan Barreda, also a force to be reckoned with today. Matthias Walkner is trailing by 1′33″ after struggling with opening the road.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 02:44:30 pm
AVB seems to be off pace so far, hope he comes back.
M. WALKNER  almost 4min 30sec down @ WP 3
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:44:41 pm
Kenny trough WP1 29th for now  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 02:45:49 pm
Oh, and Sunderland is married to Van Beverens sister... who's a very cute little blond  ;D

Are you sure? Sunderland wife's dad is on Avdrider and he has never talked about his son in any racing....

Yep, I saw it on Redbull TV last night. She works on the Yamaha squad at the Dakar as well. She was the reason he moved from Dubai to France as well.

Oh, okay. Maybe it was the last g/f then :P Wonder if the dad still supports Sam :peepwall: :laughing7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 09, 2019, 02:49:37 pm
Has anyone seen how creepily similar that malle moto couple look? It's almost like they are twins. Freaks me out  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 02:50:58 pm
AVB seems to be off pace so far, hope he comes back.

He's only 1m10s off the fastest guys at Wp2 and just 10min behind Walkner's time yesterday in 9th.
Today Walkner is opening the stages and will be slower, so he is still very much up there IMO.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 02:52:31 pm
Quote of the day on NBC Sports.

Interviewer asks Brabec if he knows about a Robby Gordon.

Brabec reply: “Never heard of her! Who’s this Robby Gordon you speak of.”

:imaposer:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 02:53:37 pm
AVB seems to be off pace so far, hope he comes back.

He's only 1m10s off the fastest guys at Wp2 and just 10min behind Walkner's time yesterday in 9th.
Today Walkner is opening the stages and will be slower, so he is still very much up there IMO.

Walkner already loosing time.
Bam Bam putting hammer down now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:54:01 pm
Quote of the day on NBC Sports.

Interviewer asks Brabec if he knows about a Robby Gordon.

Brabec reply: “Never heard of her! Who’s this Robby Gordon you speak of.”

:imaposer:
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:54:45 pm
Sam found another gear and Barreda now found overdrive . . .  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 02:56:21 pm
Ross currently 20th trough WP2
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 09, 2019, 02:57:16 pm
Quote of the day on NBC Sports.

Interviewer asks Brabec if he knows about a Robby Gordon.

Brabec reply: “Never heard of her! Who’s this Robby Gordon you speak of.”

:imaposer:

 :imaposer:

That's it. I'm calling him Ricky Bobby from now on
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 02:59:49 pm
K. Benavides now fastest @ WP3

Just changed, the blue machine of X. DE SOULTRAIT 1min30 faster than Benavides.
GO GO GO
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 03:03:39 pm
Stuart trough WP1 around 91st for now
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 03:04:10 pm
Eurosport recap of Day 2
https://dai.ly/x70azev

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 03:04:15 pm
And here comes Kenny :o 25th through WP2.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:06:04 pm
And here comes Kenny  :o 25th through WP2.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 03:10:27 pm
Ross doing bloody good for someone who had an engine to run in this morning.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:11:20 pm
Ross doing bloody good for someone who had an engine to run in this morning.

 :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 03:13:18 pm
Ross doing bloody good for someone who had an engine to run in this morning.

Probably used the "running it in hard" method.  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 03:13:28 pm
One of the trucks crashing yesterday
https://twitter.com/tindelcristhian/status/1082747520390971392
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 03:15:03 pm
I've been out of touch with the game for quite some time... what ever happened to Lourence Mahoney? He and Kenny used to be pretty close. I can't remember all the details but iirc they were housemates at one point and didn't they enter the GNCC together one year?

Lourence used to be rapid too.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:16:30 pm
08:09 De Soultrait brings his A game
Sitting 12th overall at over 20 minutes back, Xavier de Soultrait has no choice but to take risks on the road to Arequipa. The Yamaha rider's gambit seems to be paying off, with De Soultrait topping the time of Kevin Benavides at WP3 by 1′31″.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 03:18:39 pm
One of the trucks crashing yesterday
https://twitter.com/tindelcristhian/status/1082747520390971392

Eish, I hope the cooler box lid stayed on.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:36:16 pm
WOW,
Ross up to 13th @ WP 3
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 03:38:16 pm
and Princess Laia up to 18th, seemingly ahead of Kenny who was ahead of her through WP2. Maybe Kenny's time just hasn't been recorded yet...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:45:21 pm
and Princess Laia up to 18th, seemingly ahead of Kenny who was ahead of her through WP2. Maybe Kenny's time just hasn't been recorded yet...

Just remember, she started way in front of him this morning.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 09, 2019, 03:46:22 pm
WTF, I saw the Kalahari Ferrari running at 20th?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 03:46:39 pm
Santolino likely to slot in ahead of Ross still, but it seems he is then 14th place for the stage. Awesome going!

On overall positions, Ross may be around 25th at this point. For a privateer, that is really out-of-this-world good.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 03:47:24 pm
I don’t know if I’m correct so I’m just hypothesizing (if that’s even a word)

I reckon Ross may be a decent navigator.

If you look at the times between waypoints on trackingdakar and see how many lose time between certain waypoints it’s almost like you can see a pattern of where it is tricky.

For example on today’s stage a lot lost significant chunks of time up to wp1 meaning difficult navigation. From wp1 to wp2 times where even so I suggest easier navigation. Then from wp2 to wp3 big time changes again suggesting difficult navigation again.

Anyway just a thought

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 03:48:23 pm
How can I check the exact time that riders pass through a waypoint so I can see who is riding with who on the road?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 03:50:40 pm
How can I check the exact time that riders pass through a waypoint so I can see who is riding with who on the road?

on trackingdakar.com, click the "Local time" thingy...

Then one can see for instance that Ross and Luciano Benavides seem to be within shouting distance up to wpt 3.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 03:52:50 pm
Ross only 6 minutes of the leaders through Wp3. He's having a great dakar so far, penalty aside.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 03:54:41 pm
WOW,
Ross up to 13th @ WP 3

I just watched Ross's FB update where he discussed his motor change. He was saying he's just going to take it easy now until the rest day to run the motor in and then he'll start to push the pace... then he put his helmet on and the Kalahari Ferrari came to life  ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Blender on January 09, 2019, 03:55:06 pm
GO ROSS!!!  :thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2019, 03:55:42 pm
I don’t know if I’m correct so I’m just hypothesizing (if that’s even a word)

I reckon Ross may be a decent navigator.

If you look at the times between waypoints on trackingdakar and see how many lose time between certain waypoints it’s almost like you can see a pattern of where it is tricky.

For example on today’s stage a lot lost significant chunks of time up to wp1 meaning difficult navigation. From wp1 to wp2 times where even so I suggest easier navigation. Then from wp2 to wp3 big time changes again suggesting difficult navigation again.

Anyway just a thought

Saw it as well and I think you're dead right when it comes to Ross Branch and quality navigation.  Well, he's not a pilot for nothing  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 03:58:40 pm
08:50 Barreda in trouble!
The drama begins! Joan Barreda been at a standstill for a good number of minutes now, just off the right track, 143 km into today's special. The overall leader could be about to tumble down the general classification.
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Post by: wiledog_X on January 09, 2019, 03:58:57 pm
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Post by: w@nted on January 09, 2019, 04:01:07 pm
08:50 Barreda in trouble!
The drama begins! Joan Barreda been at a standstill for a good number of minutes now, just off the right track, 143 km into today's special. The overall leader could be about to tumble down the general classification.

Ai tog  :-\
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 04:01:58 pm
How can I check the exact time that riders pass through a waypoint so I can see who is riding with who on the road?

on trackingdakar.com, click the "Local time" thingy...

Then one can see for instance that Ross and Luciano Benavides seem to be within shouting distance up to wpt 3.

Great thanks - yes looks like he is riding with Luciano a bit


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 09, 2019, 04:06:08 pm
So did Pablo Quintanilla (CHL) miss a waypoint or is the timing glitching?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 04:10:45 pm
Timing seems a bit off right now

Eish gents I’m not making money this month - well certainly not after lunch 🤦🏻‍♂️


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 04:11:34 pm
and Princess Laia up to 18th, seemingly ahead of Kenny who was ahead of her through WP2. Maybe Kenny's time just hasn't been recorded yet...

Just remember, she started way in front of him this morning.

ah yes, I see what you mean, makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 04:17:05 pm
Ross doing really well, but he lost 3 minutes between WP2 & Wp3.

Navigation I think is the issue. A lot of guys going wrong today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 09, 2019, 04:20:48 pm
"Matthias Walkner has strayed over four kilometres from the right track. The Austrian could pay a hefty price this evening, as well as taking Ricky Brabec (who appears to be following) down with him.
Meanwhile, Joan Barreda is still at a standstill at km 143 and will soon be out of contention if he does not get his act together"

eish... navigation errors costing the front runners.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 04:21:36 pm
Ross doing really well, but he lost 3 minutes between WP2 & Wp3.

Navigation I think is the issue. A lot of guys going wrong today.

Yip, but he still faster through that section than Ricky (Robby) Brabec and Mr Price. It must be hectic trying do same speed as those guys!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 04:24:12 pm
Another method to see who is riding with who and who is in front of who physically, is the following:

On the trackingdakar site:

1) Be on the correct stage with the page set to "waypoints" and "stage positions"
2) Click on the WP column header of interest where you want to see when the riders came through there.
3) Click on the rider of interest.
4) Click the back button if you want to see another rider, since it only shows a limited amount of riders through the point.

You should see the following pop up. Horizontal axis is local time and vertical axis is gap time to first. (NB: When there is obvious timing errors on the main page, you will find this either does not work or gives funny results. Garbage in garbage out  :lol8:)

(https://i.imgur.com/8DxYEqJ.png?1)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 04:30:59 pm
Looks like navigation is already playing its tricks...  ;D We can probably expect alot of changes as the Dakar progresses and probably some spectacular comebacks!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 09, 2019, 04:37:57 pm
Ross is superb but just maybe hold back a tiny bit now on 2nd motor already.
good pics are scares so far but im sure they will follow
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 09, 2019, 04:39:07 pm
When I look at the tracking Dakar page, The only rider that has posted a time for stage 4 appears to be Ricky Brabec . Can this be correct. Have the others missed this WP?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 04:44:06 pm
09:19 De Soultrait in a league of his own at CP2
Xavier de Soultrait is really stealing the show today. The Yamaha rider's impeccable performance put him over 6 minutes ahead of Pablo Quintanilla at CP2.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 04:46:49 pm
When I look at the tracking Dakar page, The only rider that has posted a time for stage 4 appears to be Ricky Brabec . Can this be correct. Have the others missed this WP?

I see that as well, but I think it is a glitch, since there is no "live news" about any issues or poor navigation of that WP on the dakar website.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 04:47:40 pm
AVB seems to be off pace so far, hope he comes back.

He's only 1m10s off the fastest guys at Wp2 and just 10min behind Walkner's time yesterday in 9th.
Today Walkner is opening the stages and will be slower, so he is still very much up there IMO.

AVB running 3rd now.
Already 9min ahead of Price.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 09, 2019, 04:51:57 pm
BB stuck in the dunes 300 m from the track... For quite a long while now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 04:52:39 pm
This is a nice way to compare performance on the stage. Really shows how well Ross is doing. Laia also looking very consistent.

WP4 must be a timing glitch
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 04:54:09 pm
Looking at the trackingdakar site, there seems to be some problem with tracking, or there has been a nav cluster-fup of note. From Santolino downwards, no-one has apparently gone through WPT 3 for a very long time now.

And the riders coming through for WPT 5 and WPT 6 are suddenly like half an hour behind the leader...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 09, 2019, 04:57:33 pm
"The writing is on the wall for Joan Barreda, still stuck in treacherous terrain 300 metres from the right track.
Although the Spaniard made an impressive display of speed in stages 1 and 2, his prospects of winning this year's Dakar look vanishingly slim." - dakar tracking site

Seems he just can't get his Dakar dream going....  :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 04:58:14 pm
Another method to see who is riding with who and who is in front of who physically, is the following:

On the trackingdakar site:

1) Be on the correct stage with the page set to "waypoints" and "stage positions"
2) Click on the WP column header of interest where you want to see when the riders came through there.
3) Click on the rider of interest.
4) Click the back button if you want to see another rider, since it only shows a limited amount of riders through the point.

You should see the following pop up. Horizontal axis is local time and vertical axis is gap time to first. (NB: When there is obvious timing errors on the main page, you will find this either does not work or gives funny results. Garbage in garbage out  :lol8:)

(https://i.imgur.com/8DxYEqJ.png?1)

Nice one


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 09, 2019, 05:07:21 pm
Kenny stuck between Wp 2 and 3???

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 05:09:00 pm
It rather looks to me like something's fucky with the tracking... I sure hope that's the case as opposed to the alternative.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 05:15:38 pm
Wonder what happened. Ross was 6min behind in 13th at WP3, now shows up at WP5 41min behind in 24th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 05:16:23 pm
No reports of flash floods?
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Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 05:18:54 pm
No reports of flash floods?

nothing on dakar website?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 05:23:10 pm
I think there must be a navigational nightmare somewhere between wp3 and 5 as some of the boys have haemorrhaged time


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2019, 05:40:36 pm
And the Frenchman seems to have now thrown his enormous gift away!
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Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 05:46:40 pm
And the Frenchman seems to have now thrown his enormous gift away!
[/quote
And the Frenchman seems to have now thrown his enormous gift away!
Excuse my lack of satire/humor, but JBB is 'French'?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 06:04:34 pm
10:43 Joan Barreda throws in the towel!
Joan Barreda has decided to call it quits after failing to get his motorbike out of the basin where it was stuck. The Spaniard was touted as a favourite to win the rally and started today's stage in the lead, but his ninth Dakar has now come to a premature end in a crushing blow for Honda.
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Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2019, 06:10:42 pm
Very sad, looking forward to the video
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 09, 2019, 06:11:40 pm
[/quote
And the Frenchman seems to have now thrown his enormous gift away!
Excuse my lack of satire/humor, but JBB is 'French'?

No, not him. At WP6 De Soultrait who profited so handsomely from the navigation cluster fuck was leading the field by 8 minutes. WP7 he was 28 minutes off the leaders. It looked like he'd made an error too.

Hence my post.

However I see, now that the stage is over, he won it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 06:15:59 pm
[/quote
And the Frenchman seems to have now thrown his enormous gift away!
Excuse my lack of satire/humor, but JBB is 'French'?

No, not him. At WP6 De Soultrait who profited so handsomely from the navigation cluster fuck was leading the field by 8 minutes. WP7 he was 28 minutes off the leaders. It looked like he'd made an error too

Hence my post.

However I see, now that the stage is over, he won it.
Thanks, makes sense, just your post came through as the JBB news was hitting the airwaves, and seemed pointed at him.
Beeeg shakeup today. And it seems in the cars as well. Please don't tell me Giniel is lost/broken right now, but dropping down the leaderboard...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2019, 06:21:06 pm
10:43 Joan Barreda throws in the towel!
Joan Barreda has decided to call it quits after failing to get his motorbike out of the basin where it was stuck. The Spaniard was touted as a favourite to win the rally and started today's stage in the lead, but his ninth Dakar has now come to a premature end in a crushing blow for Honda.
Must be one helluva hole if he can't get the bike out

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 06:21:50 pm
10:43 Joan Barreda throws in the towel!
Joan Barreda has decided to call it quits after failing to get his motorbike out of the basin where it was stuck. The Spaniard was touted as a favourite to win the rally and started today's stage in the lead, but his ninth Dakar has now come to a premature end in a crushing blow for Honda.

The last time it was his finger that got a little bit sore.... ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 06:22:33 pm
Carlos Sainz is kaput as well. He likes to crash does old Carlos.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BsaxluNnnX-/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 06:25:06 pm
Super stoked that the Gonk is in the ASS :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on January 09, 2019, 06:28:02 pm
Damn, its chaos out there.
Come on Kenny, where are you?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 06:37:19 pm
Bad news for Kenny by the looks of things!

JBB seems like such a wuss sometimes.
How can you not get a bike out a hole???

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 06:38:19 pm
Bad news for Kenny by the looks of things!

JBB seems like such a wuss sometimes.
How can you not get a bike out a hole???
And Giniel ....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2019, 06:42:16 pm
Looks like tomorrow a whole new race will start...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 09, 2019, 06:51:07 pm
Bad news for Kenny by the looks of things!

JBB seems like such a wuss sometimes.
How can you not get a bike out a hole???
And Giniel ....
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 06:59:42 pm
If I read correctly looks like Ross kept close to Laia from waypoint 5-8


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ZK1 on January 09, 2019, 07:12:31 pm
I only saw now that Andrew Short is racing as well. Was a good Supercross rider.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 07:16:06 pm
Ross is in! And Stuart still making steady progress. Just Kenny keeping us on edge right now...
What a day, both overnight leaders of bikes and cars out, maybe a bit of a poisoned chalice for Quint to sleep with tonight?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2019, 07:16:39 pm
I only saw now that Andrew Short is racing as well. Was a good Supercross rider.

and doing well! Is he a rookie, think so?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 07:21:13 pm
He rode last year as well


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 07:23:01 pm
I only saw now that Andrew Short is racing as well. Was a good Supercross rider.

and doing well! Is he a rookie, think so?
17th in 2017
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: ZK1 on January 09, 2019, 07:29:55 pm
Ah, I have been out of it for a while...was the "nice guy" of supercross. Seems like a good dude.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2019, 07:35:18 pm
I only saw now that Andrew Short is racing as well. Was a good Supercross rider.

and doing well! Is he a rookie, think so?
17th in 2017

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2019, 07:36:18 pm
10:43 Joan Barreda throws in the towel!
Joan Barreda has decided to call it quits after failing to get his motorbike out of the basin where it was stuck. The Spaniard was touted as a favourite to win the rally and started today's stage in the lead, but his ninth Dakar has now come to a premature end in a crushing blow for Honda.

Why am I not surprised?  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 07:40:45 pm
And after going awol for the last few hours Kenny just reached the ASS! Phew...
Go Stuart
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2019, 07:47:33 pm
And after going awol for the last few hours Kenny just reached the ASS! Phew...
Go Stuart

Yeah, tracking problems. And he may have made up two places ....or not. Still too early to say. :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 07:47:48 pm
And after going awol for the last few hours Kenny just reached the ASS! Phew...
Go Stuart

That is good news!! For real
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BossPierreLombard on January 09, 2019, 07:52:24 pm
Thanks for all these updates! Its better way better than the 17 minute supersport coverage!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: McSack on January 09, 2019, 07:54:36 pm
Super stoked that the Gonk is in the ASS :thumleft:
We still talking about Dakar here ;)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2019, 08:10:04 pm
Honda must be getting fed up with Bareda, the guy is so quick but has he ever finished a Dakar ? Desert stage where did he find a hole to park it in ? Have not been watching any video footage

Edit see they mention rocks and fog.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2019, 08:16:07 pm
Looks like Geniel is on the move again.
#302 Giniel de Villiers WP5 P27 from P4 Provisional

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 09, 2019, 08:24:52 pm
Does someone have footage yet of the Bang Bang . . .bang bang . . . :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: buzzlightyear on January 09, 2019, 08:34:10 pm
Dakar 2019. Bad news,
@TheRealGiniel
  apparently hit a rock and damaged the sump of the engine. They are awaiting assistance.

This is likely outdated based on post above, just for info

https://pic.twitter.com/59WMsxhnPA
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: LDV on January 09, 2019, 08:46:00 pm
Sam and his hot blond.
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XTG7T2CW1W11/sam-sunderland
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2019, 09:02:21 pm
Worst is, their day is not over yet. There’s still the liaison of 467km to ride to get to his home for the night. Its like Bainskloof pass for 300km, hairpin after hairpin, scary road especially in the dark. They will be tested.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 09, 2019, 09:06:26 pm
And young Gregory strolls into the ASS!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: billy-joe on January 09, 2019, 09:21:20 pm
thanks for the updates gents, its almost as good as watching it live!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2019, 09:44:16 pm
Update on kennys day from Motorsportmedia

South Africa’s Kenny Gilbert finally got into the real groove of his rookie Dakar Rally with a fine action-packed, if secret run to 27th among the motorcycles aboard his Husqvarna to jump from 40th to 28th overall and to fourth among the rookies.

It was however a nerve-wracking day for Gilbert’s supporters as the Pretoria star’s timing transponder failed early on and he disappeared from the timing screens for most of the day only to appear out of the blue as he crossed the finish line. The timing glitch was likely a result of damage after a crash early in a day of adventure for Kenny.

“Today was the craziest day of my life!” Kenny admitted. “I was caught off guard by an unexpectedly steep dune at the 30km mark and had a huge accident over the bars. “The bike ended up on top of me, so I was lucky not to be hurt. “I got going quite quickly, but the road book came loose and I had to stop again and zip tie and repair it.”

But that was just the start of an amazing adventure for Kenny. “From there I started to smash the course until GPS stopped working, so I had to stop and fix that too before charging on again. “Then I realised I had a hole in the fuel tank so I stopped again and did another fix with some duct tape and cleaned it up better at the fuel stop.

"If all that was not enough I rode through a dust storm and when I cleaned , my goggles afterwards, I scratched the lens really bad and had to get a spare pair from a fellow rider before I charged to the end like a madman.

"If there was ever a day that landed on its head, it was today - everything was thrown at me, but I rose to the occasion, gave it my all and made it happen. “Best of all is that I can't believe my results despite my mayhem today — we jumped up into the top 30 overall after a most challenging day and I'm now fourth among the rookies despite everything that could go wrong, going wrong!

“Tomorrow is another challenge altogether as the 405km stage from Arequipa to Moquegua is the first day of the 2-day marathon stage and I have to service my own bike at the bivouac, so the idea is to get there with as little trouble as possible. “I can't wait — I’m getting into it now but first I have a 400km ride to the bivouac tonight. “Thanks for all the support!"


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2019, 09:51:29 pm
Damn, that's power. You go boy!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 09, 2019, 10:12:50 pm
Msg from bang bang(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/6735d090f8324af542cfebb34094e294.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2019, 10:37:57 pm
His own little Clifgate - shame  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2019, 10:46:58 pm
Sam and his hot blond.
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XTG7T2CW1W11/sam-sunderland

Thanks , cool interview .  :thumleft: Sam is such a nice guy. Interesting he only finished 1 out of his 5 previous Dakar's ( he crashed out in 2015 & 2018 and 2 mechanical failures ) ( and ok he won the only Dakar he managed to finish in 2017  :biggrin:)

Barreda finished 5 out of 9 Dakar's if one includes 2019 ( 55% passed is not so bad  :P) What a bummer , maybe he will follow Sam's lead and win it next year .

Fabtabulous about Kenny , unbelievable really . 

Following all 3 the Southern African guys closely .  Thanks for updates here .:thumleft:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 12:39:23 am
Great to see you here Rynet! :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 12:40:07 am
Super stoked that the Gonk is in the ASS :thumleft:
We still talking about Dakar here ;)

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:laughing7:  >:D  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 03:24:30 am
https://www.facebook.com/notes/ktm-south-africa/southern-africas-dakar-hopeful-makes-a-tough-call/10156919995030818/



Awesomeness!




Another view of that truck taking a big hit in SS2
(https://i.imgur.com/zwWdinB.gif)




Awesome SS2 action here.  :ricky:
https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x70czp8?autoplay=1







JBB passing Walkner before his drama class...
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Walkner comments on the day.
    Finally at the finish, if not quite so happy The first 60 kilometers I was able to open and navigate well, then I have overlooked a spoiler edge in the dunes. I have jumped forward. Luckily not so much happened, just a bit struck the lips and face. Barreda, Brabec and I went together - it went pretty well. At kilometer 100, there was suddenly extremely dense fog, so you really did not have five meters visibility anymore. Barreda's down a cliff with a lot of huge stones, so I followed him because the waypoint was down there. Actually, we should have avoided the cliff, but if you see a maximum of 3 - 5 meters, it is almost impossible to find the way. Luckily I trained a lot at home and acquired good enduro skills. With great difficulty, I somehow got up again. Barreda was even further down and could not get out, for him it was over there After that it was going well again. Shortly before the Refueling was a clear mistake in the road book, where most have lost their way. The organizers have to analyze this even more closely. It's just dam ... that I am again the victim and lose the most (because I had to open the special stage) if the organizers made such a mistake. I'm curious what's coming out here and really hope that the last word has not yet been spoken here. Of course this is very annoying, but we must not forget that at the Dakar Rally own laws apply. Although I'm 21 minutes behind the leader Quintanilla, but everything is still in there and we have only day 3, a lot can happen. I will definitely do my best again tomorrow. Thank you all for your motivational and constructive words and messages. lg from Peru, Hiasi

From Scott Whitney
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Here is the Barreda story in one diagram.

When he got within 1000 meters of the WPS, the GPS popped up the arrow pointing to the waypoint.  Unfortunately due to the fog, he couldn't see that it was crazy to go straight where the arrow was pointing, and he rode off the edge of the mountain into the ravine.
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JBB:
"I'm very disappointed. I got off to a great start, feeling strong, attacking and catching up with the riders in front of me. I got to a summit where it was really foggy. There was no visibility and I went down the wrong descent. It was extremely slippery, it was impossible for me to get back up. I looked for a solution at the bottom, but I didn't find any. There was no way out."

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Sam Sunderland: "A lot of chaos"
January 9 th 2019 - 19:17 [GMT -5]

The 2017 champion rose to third overall after overcoming the fog and complex navigation in the stage to Arequipa.

"Definitely, it was difficult with the fog. For me, the road book was more or less good, but the problem was on the plateau, with the fog, you couldn't see. This was the issue so... You really couldn't see two/three metres in front of you. Finally, I stopped and took my goggles off and I was able to see a bit better.

Yeah, a lot of chaos, after that everyone was in a group and everyone was going in front. But yeah, I'm sure we have many more days to come. This is the Dakar, it's what it's all about, tough times and up and downs, some carnage in the stage... Really, I just try to take each day as it comes, do my best, focus on my navigation and try to avoid mistakes because I think that's what's gonna make the difference in this race, as we saw today."

PABLO QUINTANILLA
"I focused on the road book"

The Chilean rider navigated the stage impeccably and seized the overall lead with 11′23″ over Kevin Benavides.

"It was a really tricky stage today. When we started in the morning it was really foggy. I slowed down a little bit in the tricky parts and I focused on maintaining the correct heading and going the correct way to find the waypoints. It looks like I did quite a good stage. Before the refuelling I was in front and after that I chose to go without taking many risks and really focused on the road book for navigation."

Xavier de Soultrait
"It was a hard stage because the fog reduced visibility to under two metres. I've started the rally cautiously, as planned, and today I won the stage. It's awesome. It was the first stage with serious navigation, the real rally has begun. Tomorrow comes the marathon stage. I'll be opening the road, it won't be easy. I want to make it to the rest day in top shape."



A couple of the DNF's  :'( :'(
Franco Caimi - Yamalube Yamaha Rally rider
DNF Stage 3
"Things did not work out the way I hoped today and the pain in my leg was unbearable. I struggled to finish the stage yesterday and today things were even harder. For me it was a huge achievement to line up for this rally two months after my femur surgery. I am really happy I was there to support my team and I really wish I could continue this rally. I'm determined to keep working hard to come back even stronger. It's been a great day for Yamaha, and I want to congratulate Xavier and Adrien for their great results. The race is long and I wish all the team the best of luck for the rest of this Dakar."


As for Rodney Faggotter, a small technical issue after the last waypoint left the experienced Aussie with no chance of finishing the stage.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 03:32:35 am
More from Pablo Quintanilla: “The real Dakar has just started and I’m happy with where I’m at right now. Today we had a difficult stage. There was a lot of fog and in some parts you couldn’t see far ahead. If you tried to push, you ended up missing the right tracks. I took my time there and rode really carefully. At one crucial point in the mountains I made the right decision and gained some time to my rivals. Navigation today was really tricky. I’m having fun on my bike at the moment and I want to keep that same momentum going for the stages to come.”

Andrew Short: “It was a tough day for me but I’m still in the race and that’s what matters the most. I had two crashes in the opening part of the stage and that cost me some time. Conditions were tough, it was foggy and you could hardly see in front of your fender. I was lucky to escape those crashes unharmed and I went on to finish the stage. Today there were many direction changes and navigation was tricky. Together with most of the first riders, we got lost searching for a tricky waypoint and that cost us all some more time. The race is proving to be quite tough and I’m now focusing on the stages to come.”
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 04:20:11 am
Ross tells us what he thinks :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1083151435166961664

Paulo Goncalves 2
STAGE: 6th OVERALL: 9th
Today was quite long stage, quite similar to yesterday’s with lots of sand and many dunes. I have felt very comfortable and with a lot more confidence. I was able to push with a good pace, but it was a pity about an error just before the refueling that made me lose more than 10 minutes, but the important thing is that I was able to finish. I have good feelings, tomorrow the marathon starts and I want to do well.


José Ignacio Cornejo 10
STAGE: 18th OVERALL: 14th
Today a chain tensioner came loose and I rode for a long time with the loose chain because I had not noticed. As a result, the engine casing got a bit broken and I started to lose a little oil. Luckily I realized, I tightened the chain and I was able to get assistance to repair it. I lost some time but it was that or to stay out of the race. We have some days left to make up the time.

Ricky Brabec 15
STAGE: 13th OVERALL: 7th
The stage was tough. There was a lot of sand dunes and a lot of navigation. I ended up opening a lot of the stage. There was a lot of fog there. Joan went down a ravine or the wrong side of the mountain or something. I really had to go slow there. At kilometre 178 there was a really difficult waypoint which was not where it was shown in the roadbook. I spent fifteen minutes looking around for the way point and rode around for 30 kilometres. It was a bad day. We’ll have to make it up. But for me, in my mind, it’s going to be tough.

STAGE: 3rd GENERAL: 2nd
Today was a very long day. I took advantage of having a good starting position to attack. I felt comfortable with the bike, I made some navigational mistakes but in the end it was a good day. I’m happy to climb some positions in the general and I’m gaining confidence every stage. It is not bad to move up to the second position of the general on my birthday.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 10, 2019, 06:43:25 am
I made a meme for HRC.  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2019, 06:47:53 am
Hi Rynet- thanks  for that- we know his your sweetie pie but i really thought he just some how never finishes due giving it horns from start til crash

Also very glad for Kenny- thought he was falling back a bit, Ross absolutely amazing (just hold back a little please and finish :)) and Stuart steady and bringing up the rear

Barreda finished 5 out of 9 Dakar's if one includes 2019 ( 55% passed is not so bad  :P) What a bummer , maybe he will follow Sam's lead and win it next year .

Fabulous about Kenny , unbelievable really . 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 10, 2019, 07:18:01 am
I made a meme for HRC.  >:D

Great

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: andrew5336 on January 10, 2019, 07:56:18 am
 Dunno if you guys have seen this - amazing.

Also, the guys picking him up must be saints.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XTZFegen on January 10, 2019, 08:19:50 am
10:43 Joan Barreda throws in the towel!
Joan Barreda has decided to call it quits after failing to get his motorbike out of the basin where it was stuck. The Spaniard was touted as a favourite to win the rally and started today's stage in the lead, but his ninth Dakar has now come to a premature end in a crushing blow for Honda.

Has he ever finished a Dakar? Seems every year Honda throw their weight behind him and every year he manages to fluff it up. Isn't there anyone else out there who might suit the Honda team or be a better fit?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 08:35:09 am
Check this video. Absolute carnage

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1101018270078538/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 08:43:30 am
Photo time again

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Those trucks are something else
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 08:46:08 am


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 10, 2019, 08:50:54 am
The TV coverage this year seems pathetic. It's just a big advert for travellers to go to Peru.

Without even clicking on the links you guys provide, WD has way more info.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: The_Pantoffel on January 10, 2019, 09:05:09 am
Any idea where to follow via streaming or via live channels or dstv? Or what the best method is? I've been looking around but can't find much... am keeping track via instagram atm...

Hi Pantoffel! See it is your first post. Here is your first answer:

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2019-dakar-adv-f5-resources-list-timing-schedules-etc-roadworks.1274797/

There is a few links as you scroll down for TV/Video coverage. There was a website last year through which you could stream FranceTV. Don't know if that link is on the page.

Much appreciated @Constantinople :)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XTZFegen on January 10, 2019, 09:09:00 am
The TV coverage this year seems pathetic. It's just a big advert for travellers to go to Peru.

Without even clicking on the links you guys provide, WD has way more info.

Always seems to be this way hey cracker? I cant understand how sports like cricket and cycling get an entire panel and days worth of reporting and commentary but the Dakar always gets 20 minutes...surely this would be a great opportunity for the motorsport guys to grab and sit and discuss the various teams, the different vehicles, the stages etc etc...I don't know.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2019, 09:32:07 am
Msg from bang bang(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190109/6735d090f8324af542cfebb34094e294.jpg)

Courtesy of Dakar Peru 2019 ZAR info Group

I only have Daily Dakar as my source (other than the forum).

I would love to have seen how and where he got so irreversibly stuck...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 09:32:30 am
Kenny having a jol  :ricky:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 09:33:14 am
I only have Daily Dakar as my source (other than the forum).

I would love to have seen how and where he got so irreversibly stuck...

Ja I'm also curious.  Haven't seen any pictures yet

In fact, I find it very strange that no pictures have emerged. Surely the heli that fetched him must have got some?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2019, 09:38:26 am
Thanks to all the WD guys knowledge, great detail and coverage of "happenings".......don't get enough time to read it all......

Excuse my ignorance, but what is the ASS? End of special, racing section or what?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2019, 09:38:33 am
I only have Daily Dakar as my source (other than the forum).

I would love to have seen how and where he got so irreversibly stuck...

Ja I'm also curious.  Haven't seen any pictures yet

+1

I get the feeling he easily gives up.

Walkner comments on the day.
..... Barreda's down a cliff with a lot of huge stones, so I followed him because the waypoint was down there. Actually, we should have avoided the cliff, but if you see a maximum of 3 - 5 meters, it is almost impossible to find the way. Luckily I trained a lot at home and acquired good enduro skills. With great difficulty, I somehow got up again. Barreda was even further down and could not get out, for him it was over there After that it was going well again.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 09:56:07 am
DSS - Departure Special stage
ASS - Arrival Special Stage
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 09:57:10 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 10, 2019, 09:58:11 am
Xavier flying. Will be good if we get a Yamaha win this year!!  :thumleft:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 10, 2019, 09:58:40 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 09:59:35 am
Gerry vd Byl doing some really cool interviews

https://www.facebook.com/sabertoothmotoringadventure/videos/2248963528468731/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 10:18:12 am
Sam and his hot blond.
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XTG7T2CW1W11/sam-sunderland

Thanks , cool interview .  :thumleft: Sam is such a nice guy. Interesting he only finished 1 out of his 5 previous Dakar's ( he crashed out in 2015 & 2018 and 2 mechanical failures ) ( and ok he won the only Dakar he managed to finish in 2017  :biggrin:)

Barreda finished 5 out of 9 Dakar's if one includes 2019 ( 55% passed is not so bad  :P) What a bummer , maybe he will follow Sam's lead and win it next year .

Fabtabulous about Kenny , unbelievable really . 

Following all 3 the Southern African guys closely .  Thanks for updates here .:thumleft:

Rynet - good to hear from you (forever the stalker and probably only ever post here during the Dakar?)  8)

I just want to sat that you have ALWAYS been biased toward that pretty boy wuss Barreda - surely Honda must give someone else a chance or demote him to waterboy for a year  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 10:20:14 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.

Problem with him is if he knows he will not be front running he will throw his toys and the towel in as his ego does not allow for such things. I am so over him - Rynet must be one of the last fans  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2019, 10:22:32 am
These boys are living the dream compared to the Malle Moto chaps.   :pot:


https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1UB4SB8NH1W11/motorhome-visit
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2019, 10:35:20 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.

Problem with him is if he knows he will not be front running he will throw his toys and the towel in as his ego does not allow for such things. I am so over him - Rynet must be one of the last fans  :lol8:

Yip, sounds like he gave up before trying to get help
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: tulips on January 10, 2019, 10:46:48 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.

Problem with him is if he knows he will not be front running he will throw his toys and the towel in as his ego does not allow for such things. I am so over him - Rynet must be one of the last fans  :lol8:

Yip, sounds like he gave up before trying to get help

Eina tough crowd, one would think that he made every effort to get out before hitting the extraction button. Agree with Buff
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: woody1 on January 10, 2019, 11:14:24 am
I m sure he did not deflate his tyres to try and get more traction.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 10, 2019, 11:15:34 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.

Agree , I don't think he would give up so easily . But then again it is easy for us to sit behind our keyboards and make comments , those guys are out there doing it
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 11:23:14 am
Great video from Terrence Marsh of the Red Line Motorsport team giving some insight into how the nissan's are doing

https://www.facebook.com/terence.marsh.94/videos/1271048336368696/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2019, 11:32:19 am
It doesn't matter who you are, if you're stuck in a deep valley with rocks and sand with little space and poor traction there's no way you'll get a 200kg rally bike out without help. I'm pretty sure he would have tried getting out there until he was totally exhausted.

Problem with him is if he knows he will not be front running he will throw his toys and the towel in as his ego does not allow for such things. I am so over him - Rynet must be one of the last fans  :lol8:

Yip, sounds like he gave up before trying to get help

Eina tough crowd, one would think that he made every effort to get out before hitting the extraction button. Agree with Buff

Yes I agree that it is impossible to get a bike out of some stuff without help.
But:
- He got airlifted out of there? Is it standard to airlift people who get stuck?
- Videos of him back at a truck came out early. He thus did not spend much time at the bike trying.
- Walkner got out by riding it out. Maybe BB made the wrong decision to go down further and it maybe it was much worse further down. Who knows.

Maybe he did get help and realised it would not work. Maybe it is part of a team decision.  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 10, 2019, 11:37:22 am
Check this video. Absolute carnage

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1101018270078538/

This video shows the absolute carnage just a small drop-off can cause. Can you imagine being stuck at the bottom of something deeper and having to ride a bike up that slip face? There's is no way in hell. The cars simply came sliding down it without any control. It's a great video showing how quickly it can all go pear shaped if you're impatient.

How's tomorrow liason after the special... 700km's... damn that's brutal  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 11:39:47 am
Check this video. Absolute carnage

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1101018270078538/

This video shows the absolute carnage just a small drop-off can cause. Can you imagine being stuck at the bottom of something deeper and having to ride a bike up that slip face? There's is no way in hell. The cars simply came sliding down it without any control. It's a great video showing how quickly it can all go pear shaped if you're impatient.

How's tomorrow liason after the special... 700km's... damn that's brutal  :o

Ja agreed, difficult to judge what happened to Barreda having not seen any footage or photos yet. Very curious to see once some appear.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 11:44:40 am
Can you imagine how scary that must have been. On accounts of many riders the max visibility in the fog was 5 meters with most claiming much less... so you just 'have to' take a steep drop off into the abyss, because you can't see shit, and hope it's going to be ok. I mean what can go wrong...  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 10, 2019, 11:54:20 am
You don't get to be a top rally racer by giving up at the first sign of trouble. I'm sure he is gutted to be out.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 12:53:03 pm
I think he must have tried - Walkner said he was in the hole with him but got out because he has some enduro skills and didn’t go further down like Barreda did.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 12:57:19 pm
Check this video. Absolute carnage

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/1101018270078538/

This video shows the absolute carnage just a small drop-off can cause. Can you imagine being stuck at the bottom of something deeper and having to ride a bike up that slip face? There's is no way in hell. The cars simply came sliding down it without any control. It's a great video showing how quickly it can all go pear shaped if you're impatient.

How's tomorrow liason after the special... 700km's... damn that's brutal  :o

That liaison is heavy - I’m sure sylvain Espinasse is happy he hasn’t entered that 125 this year - can you imagine wringing it’s neck for 700km using the kill switch to oil the barrel every now and again


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 01:19:37 pm
From facebook, SA start times for our guys:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 01:34:14 pm
And away they go!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 10, 2019, 01:47:06 pm
Eish how can they not have spare engines ???

06:25 Yamaha lose their water carriers
With the win by Xavier de Soultrait and Adrien Van Beveren’ fourth place, Yamaha had plenty to smile about yesterday, but the cloud to that silver lining was the withdrawal of the constructor’s two other official riders detailed to help their leaders in case of any problems, namely Franco Caimi and Rodney Faggotter (due to broke engines).
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 01:50:31 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2019, 01:52:47 pm
Eish how can they not have spare engines ???

06:25 Yamaha lose their water carriers
With the win by Xavier de Soultrait and Adrien Van Beveren’ fourth place, Yamaha had plenty to smile about yesterday, but the cloud to that silver lining was the withdrawal of the constructor’s two other official riders detailed to help their leaders in case of any problems, namely Franco Caimi and Rodney Faggotter (due to broke engines).

Because Yamaha thought their engines is soooo reliable....  :pot:  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 10, 2019, 01:57:24 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”

He must have been 6 metres away from the closest spectator, they couldn't see him.

What about the helicopter, you ask? Thermal imaging  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:03:42 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”

He must have been 6 metres away from the closest spectator, they couldn't see him.

What about the helicopter, you ask? Thermal imaging  :biggrin:

This is an interesting point. If guys can rebuild cars/bikes/trucks on the stage to make it to the end, he could have got someone to help him out of the hole I agree.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 10, 2019, 02:14:01 pm
Maybe Matthias "forgot" to tell anyone which hole he was stuck in  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:16:17 pm
The first 5 guys through WP1 with less than a minute separating them, with Pablo Quintanilla fastest followed by Kevin Benavides 36 seconds behind him. De Soultrait almost 3 minutes off the pace though.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 02:16:22 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”

He must have been 6 metres away from the closest spectator, they couldn't see him.

What about the helicopter, you ask? Thermal imaging  :biggrin:

This is an interesting point. If guys can rebuild cars/bikes/trucks on the stage to make it to the end, he could have got someone to help him out of the hole I agree.

... the hole is in his head ... proven repeatedly  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:21:13 pm
Toby Price the fastest now... maybe he got some upgraded pain killers for that wrist of his?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 02:23:06 pm
I just tune in to a live feed and see the rider after Kenny 🤦🏻‍♂️ flip


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 02:23:43 pm
Toby Price the fastest now... maybe he got some upgraded pain killers for that wrist of his?

Naah, the wrist is just pinned for braap full open pronation  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:24:19 pm
Maybe Matthias "forgot" to tell anyone which hole he was stuck in  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: not impossible  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 10, 2019, 02:26:38 pm
Maybe Matthias "forgot" to tell anyone which hole he was stuck in  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: not impossible  :pot:

KTM Riders will never do that . . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 10, 2019, 02:30:01 pm
Both Ross and Kenny has started
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:30:20 pm
Maybe Matthias "forgot" to tell anyone which hole he was stuck in  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: not impossible  :pot:

KTM Riders will never do that . . . .

I can imagine the scene:

Barreda - I'm stuck. Give me a hand will you.
Matthias - I'll go get help. Stay right there, back in a moment

Barreda -  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 10, 2019, 02:31:20 pm
Maybe Matthias "forgot" to tell anyone which hole he was stuck in  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: not impossible  :pot:

KTM Riders will never do that . . . .

I can imagine the scene:

Barreda - I'm stuck. Give me a hand will you.
Matthias - I'll go get help. Stay right there, back in a moment

Barreda -  ???

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:33:49 pm
Timing websites seem to be quite a bit delayed by about 40 min at the moment  :xxbah:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:34:08 pm
Holy hell, Brabec is flying. Faster than Toby by 1m29 to WP1  :o

Correction: 1m29 faster than Walkner who snuck into 2nd fastest to WP1 pushing Price to 3rd fastest.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:39:31 pm
Both Brabec and Walkner off to a flying start. I suspect having tracks to follow might be helping a bit
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:41:32 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 02:43:58 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”

You have no idea what went on. You weren't there.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:44:19 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.

About 3 min between them according to tracking?

The graph I'm using just shows relative positions on the stage i.e. 1st, 2nd etc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:47:14 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.

About 3 min between them according to tracking?

The graph I'm using just shows relative positions on the stage i.e. 1st, 2nd etc

With Quintanilla starting exactly 3 minutes after De Soutrait.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2019, 02:49:24 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.

About 3 min between them according to tracking?

The graph I'm using just shows relative positions on the stage i.e. 1st, 2nd etc

Use this method to check:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=231395.400

Top of page 21.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:50:05 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.

About 3 min between them according to tracking?

The graph I'm using just shows relative positions on the stage i.e. 1st, 2nd etc

With Quintanilla starting exactly 3 minutes after De Soutrait.

Yes but the timing shows time on stage i.e. at wp3 Quintanilla was 1:15 slower than Benavides from the start of the stage and De Soutrait was 04:15 slower hence they are 3min apart
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 02:53:22 pm
Quintanilla and De Soultrait hit WP3 at the exact same time. Damn that must be fun to watch.

About 3 min between them according to tracking?

The graph I'm using just shows relative positions on the stage i.e. 1st, 2nd etc

With Quintanilla starting exactly 3 minutes after De Soutrait.

Yes but the timing shows time on stage i.e. at wp3 Quintanilla was 1:15 slower than Benavides from the start of the stage and De Soutrait was 04:15 slower hence they are 3min apart

Apologies, I'm being an idiot. Reading back to front. Shows you I shouldn't be trying to work at the same time  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 02:55:15 pm
No worries, if you ask any of my ex-girlfriends then all I do is make mistakes  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 10, 2019, 02:56:15 pm
Ross trough WP1 15th so far
Kenny 28th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 03:03:53 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 03:10:43 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?

go watch the video clip of her kicking ass at a hill climb in Baja. Then also look at how much cross country experience she has. She is a good all rounder and quick. I can easily believe she is as fast if not faster than Kenny.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Whyme on January 10, 2019, 03:15:45 pm
The TV coverage this year seems pathetic. It's just a big advert for travellers to go to Peru.

Without even clicking on the links you guys provide, WD has way more info.

Redbull TV sucks this year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 10, 2019, 03:17:17 pm
"Ricky Brabec is in very good form at the beginning of the fourth stage. After 50 kilometres, the Honda rider leads Matthias Walkner by 1’29. Toby Price lies in third, 1’37 behind the American." dakar tracking site
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 10, 2019, 03:20:19 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?



go watch the video clip of her kicking ass at a hill climb in Baja. Then also look at how much cross country experience she has. She is a good all rounder and quick. I can easily believe she is as fast if not faster than Kenny.





Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 03:29:03 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?

The roadbook is critical for going fast, but...

It's not just about not getting lost. Far more than that, the roadbook also lets you know when you can go faster than you normally would or,more critically when to slow down. Someone riding to a roadbook and is good at it will be faster than another doing the same just riding by sight and following tracks.

In open dunes this might not be the case so much, but in tight gravel roads with limited/shit visibility - dust etc. a roadbook is a lifesaver.

It's possible to see the guys who are not reading a roadbook from their tracks - they blow corners, panic brake for big ruts and donga's and are constantly doubling back or cutting across the veld at splits. It's mentally tiring to ride this way because it's taking more risks.

From time to time you'll hear guys saying how trustworthy/accurate a roadbook is. They are referring to two aspects. The first and often more important is how safe it kept them. The other is how lost it got them.

But... Laia might just be that good too! :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 03:33:46 pm
I think we can safely say she is an alien of the female kind
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 03:36:52 pm
Ross riding very consistently today. He must be flying a bit at times though


(25)   
114 - ROSS BRANCH (BWA)
KTM                           WP1                        WP2                       WP3
07:22:00   (25)   +00:03:20   (15)   +00:06:11   (15)   +00:07:22   (15)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 03:39:18 pm
dammit just saw Laia pop up at WP4. No sign of Ross. Hope nothing's gone wrong

There he is. Damn timing delays/glitches are frustrating  :dousing:

Anyone have a new F5 button for me? Wearing mine out
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 10, 2019, 03:39:27 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?

The roadbook is critical for going fast, but...

It's not just about not getting lost. Far more than that, the roadbook also lets you know when you can go faster than you normally would or,more critically when to slow down. Someone riding to a roadbook and is good at it will be faster than another doing the same just riding by sight and following tracks.

In open dunes this might not be the case so much, but in tight gravel roads with limited/shit visibility - dust etc. a roadbook is a lifesaver.

It's possible to see the guys who are not reading a roadbook from their tracks - they blow corners, panic brake for big ruts and donga's and are constantly doubling back or cutting across the veld at splits. It's mentally tiring to ride this way because it's taking more risks.

From time to time you'll hear guys saying how trustworthy/accurate a roadbook is. They are referring to two aspects. The first and often more important is how safe it kept them. The other is how lost it got them.

But... Laia might just be that good too! :biggrin:

The fact that she has completed multiple Dakar's compared to Kenny's rookie year also plays a huge part.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Whyme on January 10, 2019, 03:43:19 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”


You have no idea what went on. You weren't there.

What a sensible thing to say. I would have thought that not all spots would have spectators certainly not a spot with 2 meter visibility.

I always find it amazing at end of every enduro race how those who did not race it would comment about how easy it was lol.

He got stuck, now he is out end of story. I just wish that he could have been more patient but him and Brabec seem to have no patience!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 03:46:56 pm
Stuart Gregory is having another nice day so far. Starting 78th and 67th fastest to WP1.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 03:48:48 pm
Stuart Gregory is having another nice day so far. Starting 78th and 67th fastest to WP1.

Ja and 7th Malle Moto through wp1
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 03:51:36 pm
From Dakar website:

Quote
08:49 Branch doing well
Ross Branch has reached CP2 in 18th position, a fine performance from this amateur rider who is taking part in his first Dakar and is only the second person from Botswana to have participated in the Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 03:57:19 pm
Sorry to harp on about JBB but it just seems a bit spoilt brat - if I can’t win I won’t play.

Surely some competitors or spectators would help tie a rope around that bike and get it back on track?

Even if you lose four hours you can still be water boy for your team?  Some of the teams were starting the liaison at 21:45 last night but they didn’t give up.

I think he needs someone to send him one of Joeys stickers “you didn’t come this far to come this far”


You have no idea what went on. You weren't there.

What a sensible thing to say. I would have thought that not all spots would have spectators certainly not a spot with 2 meter visibility.

I always find it amazing at end of every enduro race how those who did not race it would comment about how easy it was lol.

He got stuck, now he is out end of story. I just wish that he could have been more patient but him and Brabec seem to have no patience!

Nah you guys are missing the point of what I was saying - but it don’t matter- there is good racing going on so who cares
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:03:43 pm
Comparing Laia to the other female riders (bit of an unfair comparison considering the level she competes at outside dakar but still)

Laia (17) started today in position 22

Gabriela Novotna (57) started today in position 111

Sara Garcia (98) started today in position 114

Gianna Velarde (130), I can't find her on today's start list so she must have fallen out.

edit: I missed Anastasiya (56) who started in position 94 today

also missed Mirjam Pol (55) who started position 106 today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 04:08:35 pm
I'm seriously impressed there are so many ladies riding this race and doing so well on top of that too. Does it even get any tougher than this? And there's no ladies' tee or any form of discount either. I doubt very much I'd be able to do this if I trained for 5 years straight. It's like you have to live it, not hobby it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Whyme on January 10, 2019, 04:14:10 pm
I'm seriously impressed there are so many ladies riding this race and doing so well on top of that too. Does it even get any tougher than this? And there's no ladies' tee or any form of discount either. I doubt very much I'd be able to do this if I trained for 5 years straight. It's like you have to live it, not hobby it.

Sometimes as guys we find it difficult or disbelieve  :peepwall:to be whipped ass by a worthy women.

Kirstin Landman in Hard Enduro prime example here in SA. Also doing it 2020
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:14:35 pm
and one final Laia post for now, keep in mind she been I'll so couldn't even train/prepare properly for dakar this year.

From the F5irehose on Advrider:

Quote
The "rhythmazo" of Laia Sanz catapults her to the top 20
01/09/2019

Who had, retained. You have to pull the popular proverb to understand how it is possible that Laia Sanz, who came to this edition with little physical preparation, has managed to stand in the third stage of the Dakar Rally in the top 20. Indeed, the pilot of Soficat Xerox not only it has exceptionally resisted the hardness of the longest day of this first week of competition, with a total of 798 kilometers (331 timed), but also it has done giving gas. Laia crossed the Arequipa finish in 21st position, 40 minutes and 38 seconds behind the winner of the day, which has allowed her to ascend to 19th place in the overall motorcycle category.

The special has started very well for Corbera de Llobregat, who has taken a "rhythmazo", in his words. "Armand Monleón and I have paired up and we have alternated pulling the whole stage. We have run a lot and we have done very well. "I am very happy for the rhythm that I have carried and because I have felt very well, I did not expect to endure as I am doing, and less in such a hard and physical stage like this," he says full.

The result in this third special again could have been better, but before the refueling, towards kilometer 178, it has been difficult for him to find a way point and he has lost about a quarter of an hour. "I do not understand why neither Monleón nor I have not been able to find the point before. It took us about 15 precious minutes and it's a shame because today was a good day to come back. Even so, I can be very happy, "he says. And is that, without that delay, Laia Sanz would have placed at the gates of the top 15 of the stage and would be two positions higher than what is in the general.

Be that as it may, the role played by the Soficat Xerox pilot and the KTM Rally Factory Team is commendable after overcoming a period of three months of inactivity due to illness. Tomorrow, Thursday, in the fourth stage of the 2019 Dakar Rally, he will have a new opportunity to continue progressing in the first part of the marathon, between Arequipa and Moquegua, with a long special of 406 timed kilometers and 104 of liaison.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:19:17 pm
stolen from Kamaya over on the F5irehose

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 04:21:59 pm
Fathom this! Dutto the paraplegic!

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:23:39 pm
and some feedback on the half man / half bike, Nicola Dutto. He started in 118 place today out of 124 riders. What a freaking legend
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: tulips on January 10, 2019, 04:24:14 pm
Comparing Laia to the other female riders (bit of an unfair comparison considering the level she competes at outside dakar but still)

Laia (17) started today in position 22

Gabriela Novotna (57) started today in position 111

Sara Garcia (98) started today in position 114

Gianna Velarde (130), I can't find her on today's start list so she must have fallen out.

edit: I missed Anastasiya (56) who started in position 94 today

also missed Mirjam Pol (55) who started position 106 today.
Sara Garcia is doing Moto Malle with her Boyfriend
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:26:11 pm
Fathom this! Dutto the paraplegic!



This is absolutely mind blowing. Big kudo's to his helpers/ghostriders Julián Villarrubia, Pablo Toral and Victor Rivera
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dustman on January 10, 2019, 04:28:16 pm
Respect
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:31:26 pm
Ross really riding well.

18th through WP5 12min42 slower than Brabec.

It would be an incredible feat if he could make top 20 first time out on Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 04:32:52 pm
I've been reading every post in this thread attentively and there is clearly plenty of know-how and insights. From what I've gathered, as far as navigation goes, the pro's have a clear edge there for various reasons.

Then I also read that the predominantly sand stages (which are almost all of them?) that edge is not as pronounced due to it being so much easier to follow tracks.

So, hoe de moer is Laia 'n minuut vinniger as Kenny tot by WP1? Ek weier om te glo sy is net bloot vinniger as hy.

She's an amazing talent, maar kom nou kerels... is sy so goed?

The roadbook is critical for going fast, but...

It's not just about not getting lost. Far more than that, the roadbook also lets you know when you can go faster than you normally would or,more critically when to slow down. Someone riding to a roadbook and is good at it will be faster than another doing the same just riding by sight and following tracks.

In open dunes this might not be the case so much, but in tight gravel roads with limited/shit visibility - dust etc. a roadbook is a lifesaver.

It's possible to see the guys who are not reading a roadbook from their tracks - they blow corners, panic brake for big ruts and donga's and are constantly doubling back or cutting across the veld at splits. It's mentally tiring to ride this way because it's taking more risks.

From time to time you'll hear guys saying how trustworthy/accurate a roadbook is. They are referring to two aspects. The first and often more important is how safe it kept them. The other is how lost it got them.

But... Laia might just be that good too! :biggrin:

Very good insight - I never thought of that aspect
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 04:49:03 pm
some cool general footage

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 04:49:53 pm
For those wondering what a roadbook is doing, here's a navigator calling out the cautions and critical turns. Listen to how quick a fast some of the instructions come.

Also, you hear him say, "single caution". That means slow down. "Double caution" is very serious, slow right the fuck down. "triple caution", you will die if you are not careful and at the very least be out of the race. Because everyone gets the same road book, bikes don't really worry too much about singles, they mean, "stop daydreaming and focus". Double cautions are where it starts to become real. No-one disregards a triple. Many deaths or serious accidents have been where people have missed or ignored triples.

At the end the driver doesn't heed/hear the "double caution" and nearly flips the car. The navigator does an admirable job of gently kaking on him.

Imagine now you've got to do all this whilst you are riding.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Offroad2 on January 10, 2019, 05:02:58 pm
I'm seriously impressed there are so many ladies riding this race and doing so well on top of that too. Does it even get any tougher than this? And there's no ladies' tee or any form of discount either. I doubt very much I'd be able to do this if I trained for 5 years straight. It's like you have to live it, not hobby it.
   

2020 Dakar  Taye Perry & Kirsten Landman  might be the first two Ladies from SA.  Both good but think Taye is really suited to cross country & rally.
Lets hope so !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 05:16:12 pm
For those wondering what a roadbook is doing, here's a navigator calling out the cautions and critical turns. Listen to how quick a fast some of the instructions come.

Also, you hear him say, "single caution". That means slow down. "Double caution" is very serious, slow right the fuck down. "triple caution", you will die if you are not careful and at the very least be out of the race. Because everyone gets the same road book, bikes don't really worry too much about singles, they mean, "stop daydreaming and focus". Double cautions are where it starts to become real. No-one disregards a triple. Many deaths or serious accidents have been where people have missed or ignored triples.

At the end the driver doesn't heed/hear the "double caution" and nearly flips the car. The navigator does an admirable job of gently kaking on him.

Imagine now you've got to do all this whilst you are riding.



What is that constant whistling sound I so often hear with racing cars?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 05:30:02 pm
What is that constant whistling sound I so often hear with racing cars?

Straight cut gears (http://automotivethinker.com/transmission/straight-cut-gears-vs-helical/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 05:44:02 pm
What is that constant whistling sound I so often hear with racing cars?

Straight cut gears (http://automotivethinker.com/transmission/straight-cut-gears-vs-helical/)

Cheers for that, I learnt something new today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 06:21:40 pm
Ross & Kenny through WP6 in 16th and 29th respectively and Stuart losing a little bit of time through WP5 in 80th.

If I'm reading the times correctly then there's a small cluster of bikes within 3 or so minutes of each other within which Ross and Laia have been riding steady for quite some time now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2019, 06:34:10 pm
YAMAHA FLYING........And looking too nice
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 06:39:01 pm
Ross & Kenny through WP6 in 16th and 29th respectively and Stuart losing a little bit of time through WP5 in 80th.

If I'm reading the times correctly then there's a small cluster of bikes within 3 or so minutes of each other within which Ross and Laia have been riding steady for quite some time now.

Laia Ross and monleon together the whole day
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on January 10, 2019, 06:55:25 pm
Can you imagine being stuck at the bottom of something deeper and having to ride a bike up that slip face? There's is no way in hell.

If you slip off a ledge or cliff in Lesotho at the Roof you have a similar problem.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 07:00:29 pm
Ross 18th through WP8 and on route to the ASS.
Kenny very steady and consistent today, through WP7 in 29th.

And the top10 so far already arrived at the ASS:
(https://puu.sh/CuzXj/f0f63aec28.png)

Kenny now also through WP8, 28th fastest so far.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: shark_za on January 10, 2019, 07:09:26 pm
2020 Dakar  Taye Perry & Kirsten Landman  might be the first two Ladies from SA.  Both good but think Taye is really suited to cross country & rally.
Lets hope so !


Just like I said; Kenny and Ross are so different to say Wade Young and Travis Teasdale.
Taye is faster than Kirsten in my opinion.

Horses for courses.

Come on Ross and Kenny G!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 07:26:47 pm
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2019, 08:01:45 pm
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!

Fantastic, keep it up
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2019, 08:05:56 pm
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!
That is great news. He is doing incredibly well

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Crossed-up on January 10, 2019, 08:07:42 pm
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!

Extraordinary, brillant ride!  And Kenny's effort is just about as exceptional. Very proud of them.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 08:13:49 pm
I asked if he didn't mind me quoting him. @T9ER

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-MctBNTj/0/f86098cd/M/IMG_3479-M.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-MctBNTj/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-kN2KQnJ/0/f25b5f82/M/IMG_3480-M.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-kN2KQnJ/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8M6Mk5n/0/363f20eb/M/IMG_3481-M.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-8M6Mk5n/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-MdpVKKg/0/558fc064/M/IMG_3482-M.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-MdpVKKg/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-78pCSm9/0/e5744dc6/M/IMG_3483-M.png) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-78pCSm9/A)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 10, 2019, 08:17:39 pm
Ross 18th through WP8 and on route to the ASS.
Kenny very steady and consistent today, through WP7 in 29th.

And the top10 so far already arrived at the ASS:
(https://puu.sh/CuzXj/f0f63aec28.png)

Kenny now also through WP8, 28th fastest so far.
:hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:  :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :wav:

The boytjies are doing great. Settled into the rhythm and really making their presence felt!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 08:30:48 pm
Kenny was super consistent today and pretty damn fast too. Home in 29th.

Stuart Gergory through WP7 in 78th, the same position he started the day in, so good work there so far.

Nicola Dutto had a terrible stint from WP1 to WP2 where he lost almost 2 hours. If anyone knows/hears what happened there please let us know. He's been going strong ever since though and has been recorded through WP4 so far in 115th.

There are going to be quite a few position changes in the top 15 after today, by the looks of things it will be packing the competition even tighter. Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 10, 2019, 08:39:21 pm
I know it's unfair, and comparisons being odious and all, but in my mind it keeps revolving: JBB and Nicola Dutto...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Blender on January 10, 2019, 08:54:18 pm
Man I love this Dakar.
At this stage open to anyone for a  top step on the podium...

GO ROSS!
Next year in official KTM colours.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 10, 2019, 08:55:22 pm
I know it's unfair, and comparisons being odious and all, but in my mind it keeps revolving: JBB and Nicola Dutto...

The one is racing to win , the other to finish , big difference and I can understand JBB retiring . Trust me when you are out there the racer instinct is still pushing you to go as fast as possible , when you are as far behind as JBB that can be downright dangerous , he would be riding with much slower riders , the speed differential is scary , and dangerous for both .
JBB would still be doing the Rally series during the year and to be injured would be starting him off on a deficit , I reckon under the circumstances he did the best thing .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 10, 2019, 09:47:17 pm
"After 500m there was an exit...maybe!"

Fok

https://www.facebook.com/timcoronelracing/videos/285062915489721/?t=173
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 09:50:51 pm
Stuart Gregory checks closes the day with a provisional 84th but may lose a few spots still as there is a 34 minute gap between him and 83rd and many bikers to come in still. It looks like he lost quite a bit of time between the last WP and the ASS.

Nicola Dutto checks in at WP5.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2019, 09:55:44 pm
"After 500m there was an exit...maybe!"

Fok

https://www.facebook.com/timcoronelracing/videos/285062915489721/?t=173

Goeie bliksem!  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2019, 10:02:12 pm
I’m most interested to see what happens with Ross after the rest day - he said he is taking it easy until the rest day then putting the hammer down

I hope that’s true

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 10, 2019, 11:12:27 pm
 ;D ;D 

If Laia gets top 15 she can cut Toby's hair. If Toby gets top 5 he can kiss Laia...

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 11:28:28 pm
Ross and Kenny riding like bosses  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2019, 11:29:57 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2019, 07:09:42 am
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!

Extraordinary, brillant ride!  And Kenny's effort is just about as exceptional. Very proud of them.

Absolutely super proud!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 11, 2019, 07:43:31 am
Ross arrives at the ASS in 18th and it looks like he will definitely hang onto a top20, likely that 18th spot!

Extraordinary, brillant ride!  And Kenny's effort is just about as exceptional. Very proud of them.

Absolutely super proud!!

Cannot agree more, including Stu who is proving his vasbyt and determination in the MM class.

Must say Ricky Brabec really impresses this year and he's without doubt the on-form rider at the moment.

Any news why Pablo lost so much time?  It just doesn't make any sense that he would be so much slower over the stage - something slowed him down from the 1st waypoint as he gradually dropped down in time - hopefully something mechanical that he can sort out at the bivouac.

Unbelievable to see that buggy of Tim and his brother just bashing over those huge boulders  :eek7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 08:08:57 am
Southern African boys are doing a sterling job  :ricky:

Love the Laia vs Toby bet. Let be honest, who one here wouldn't want to have 5 seconds with Princess Laia?  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: tulips on January 11, 2019, 08:28:02 am
"After 500m there was an exit...maybe!"

Fok

https://www.facebook.com/timcoronelracing/videos/285062915489721/?t=173
Been following them for years - Those two kloggs most certainly have "Can do" Attitude with good humour   :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: tulips on January 11, 2019, 08:29:55 am
Penalties - Stuart 58Min Nicola 2Hr
Anyone know why ? missing waypoints ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 11, 2019, 08:41:03 am
Stuart's video update last night shows a very fatigued rider, you can visibly see how the race is taking it toll now, as can be expected of course. He mentioned he had two big offs yesterday after hitting lurkers in the fesh fesh. The 2nd one ran his bell good and proper and cartwheeled the bike and damaged his road book so he was scrolling manually after that. He also mentioned he thought he'd broken a rib or two at the time but luckily it now seems okay. Huge respect for these okes. He's in good spirits though and positive  :thumleft:

Stuart can pedal a bike and for him to be suffering gives me a good idea on just how tough this must be for the average Joe. I think I'd already be curled up into the fetal position sucking my thumb by now  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:01:14 am
So I see Ross Branch is starting in 13th today, he's properly right up there with the big boys now  :ricky:

Kenny starting 22nd.

Holy shit this is an exciting dakar
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 09:01:49 am
Thanks for that - where did you see his vid?

So true that for the average joe this is such a massive undertaking - I know I have no delusions of having the riding ability to take something as gruelling as this on.


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:06:33 am
Pictures time

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50429452_2040896569337553_6528790412398690304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=63763c66151d54dbf178ceb7c0e62937&oe=5CD756BF)

Giniel and Dirk, absolute legends. Now that they're out of the running they put their effort into supporting the team  :thumleft:
(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.2147-6/c0.38.540.282a/p540x282/50435570_275318516482641_6132325717926477824_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=7b88a970c97ebea23dc619653c6b7bc8&oe=5CD3C0F6)

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49664819_2592322280808380_417899836864462848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=f6d702779b6da94dd9387468dde01c54&oe=5C8C2B83)

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49721770_2162269350499027_6519674705090183168_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=42ce98564fa6865cf4f477461391e4e1&oe=5CB8762D)

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49247997_2162269453832350_4592099047707246592_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=1daf970b2a1b1f57ade5ba83e3bc9aba&oe=5CC1AA5C)

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49708704_2162269570499005_8962055416133451776_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=3bdb86beafdc322ea1d131d22c4c0195&oe=5CCE9612)

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49735061_2162269333832362_5132628550288932864_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=32224dd74b959a2cbb719668fc7f91e5&oe=5CCA5CA7)

What a stunning photo
(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49813508_2162269697165659_6966875672136384512_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=1f0db15a295183e5b16cc4504d90ef86&oe=5CD3425F)

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:15:42 am
And if you were thinking it as all just riding fast for the top guys, think again. Look at Sunderland man handle that bike and they're not lightweight bikes



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:17:51 am
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:21:46 am
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 11, 2019, 09:23:28 am
Thanks for that - where did you see his vid?

So true that for the average joe this is such a massive undertaking - I know I have no delusions of having the riding ability to take something as gruelling as this on.

I'm on one of his whatsapp chat feeds  :thumleft:

Love Ross's FB update this morning as well... "Sand is what I know best." He's having a total jol out there and if the bike holds out, expect him to go very close to Top 10. I called it in the beginning of this thread and I'm glad to see it's happening, the oke can pedal a bike properly  :thumleft: Once he's close to the top guys he can start following wheels. Alfie gave him that tip and I think that's what he's been pushing hard for.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 09:30:29 am


I'm not supposed to laugh, but Sara Garcia picking that bike up at the end  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 09:44:45 am
Thanks for that - where did you see his vid?

So true that for the average joe this is such a massive undertaking - I know I have no delusions of having the riding ability to take something as gruelling as this on.

I'm on one of his whatsapp chat feeds  :thumleft:

Love Ross's FB update this morning as well... "Sand is what I know best." He's having a total jol out there and if the bike holds out, expect him to go very close to Top 10. I called it in the beginning of this thread and I'm glad to see it's happening, the oke can pedal a bike properly  :thumleft: Once he's close to the top guys he can start following wheels. Alfie gave him that tip and I think that's what he's been pushing hard for.

I also called top 20 but there were many naysayers

That man is very fast


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:50:10 am
Quote
Stage 5 start times.
Return to bivouac for all competitors ahead of tomorrows rest day in Arequipa.
Total Distance for bikes and quads today - 1121km
Total distance for cars, SxS and trucks - 1234km

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 09:53:42 am
Matthias Walkner after yesterday's stage 4:

(https://puu.sh/CuVVp/d161beab07.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2019, 09:55:01 am
that fesh-fesh though.....  :eek7:

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50288894_2162269743832321_4948974266948255744_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=44855d913ae66f88162e9f3ee29e6077&oe=5CC895A9)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49704173_2162269790498983_6311321383385169920_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=8c97f431284cbbc00e22097f676292e1&oe=5CB8E7C0)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/50428458_2162269307165698_249186756904091648_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=ff02a08f48ed19ff86a6ad13acd4943a&oe=5CC5037D)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49708704_2162269570499005_8962055416133451776_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=66d072e7d47defa293a9b32a27607333&oe=5CCE9612)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 09:55:23 am
So I see Ross Branch is starting in 13th today, he's properly right up there with the big boys now  :ricky:

Kenny starting 22nd.

Holy shit this is an exciting dakar

I see I have it back to front again today.

Today is mass start so starting in group of 10 by the looks of it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2019, 09:58:13 am
So I see Ross Branch is starting in 13th today, he's properly right up there with the big boys now  :ricky:

Kenny starting 22nd.

Holy shit this is an exciting dakar

I see I have it back to front again today.

Today is mass start so starting in group of 10 by the looks of it.

How do they determine the groups of 10? Or do they start according to General Standings?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 10:05:44 am
How do they determine the groups of 10? Or do they start according to General Standings?

No idea. I guess they'll use general standing? I think that is how the starting order is done each day anyhow?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2019, 10:08:20 am
To get some perspective on Barreda's problem, here was Sam Sunderland falling down a ravine....

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/355224795278054/?type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDqzfzO5Ytb8flx2llUmlgDNqi_0sPx1jSUoDhr3KouDOQh3f8A3UQDQrKrajogXQxdcL6hp-8GWnHG
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 11:01:00 am
Trends in the overall top15

(https://puu.sh/CuX2A/105df9683f.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sardine on January 11, 2019, 11:36:41 am
To get some perspective on Barreda's problem, here was Sam Sunderland falling down a ravine....

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/355224795278054/?type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDqzfzO5Ytb8flx2llUmlgDNqi_0sPx1jSUoDhr3KouDOQh3f8A3UQDQrKrajogXQxdcL6hp-8GWnHG

 :eek7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 11, 2019, 12:00:07 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 11, 2019, 12:26:39 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:
Which ravine???

Hope he never wins the dakar

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2019, 12:40:16 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:

He crashed?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XTZFegen on January 11, 2019, 12:55:07 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:
Which ravine???

Hope he never wins the dakar

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Is there more to this story than we are been told?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 11, 2019, 12:56:30 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:

He crashed?
The Honda PR person who writes the reports every night is probably more relieved than anyone else. You know you will have to write the 'JBB out' script sooner or later, better to get it out of the way early.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 11, 2019, 01:13:40 pm
From News24
But still no peechers of the ravine . . .  :patch:
Which ravine???

Hope he never wins the dakar

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Hectic.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 02:37:41 pm
How do they determine the groups of 10? Or do they start according to General Standings?

It appears to be by standings as at the end of the previous day. This must be something pretty exciting to watch as a spectator... in a helicopter (one day when I'm big :P)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2019, 02:45:31 pm
Thanks for that - where did you see his vid?

So true that for the average joe this is such a massive undertaking - I know I have no delusions of having the riding ability to take something as gruelling as this on.

I'm on one of his whatsapp chat feeds  :thumleft:


Well come on: Post it here for the rest of us, you stingy bugger!  :deal: :deal:  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 02:48:34 pm
Gents I am trying to find a website to watch these mass starts live - any ideas?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 11, 2019, 02:54:30 pm
How do they determine the groups of 10? Or do they start according to General Standings?

It appears to be by standings as at the end of the previous day. This must be something pretty exciting to watch as a spectator... in a helicopter (one day when I'm big :P)

This is correct. :thumleft:

Stage wins determine the next days rankings, so the top 10 start together, etc. It mixes it up a bit for the guys in front, and as you might have heard Ricky saying that he has an advantage winning yesterday, because he will not have to open the stage but has the opportunity to follow Quintanilla who is his closest rival without losing any real time.

Remember, normally the top guys start 3 minutes apart so if you won the day before you open the stage with navigation while the guys behind you can ride faster using your tracks as a guide. This is where Peterhansel was brilliant on the bikes: He used to open the stage, and when he realized he was making a mistake, he would feign a mechanical problem, let the others pass him and then only turn around and correct his mistake.  ;D

Brabec is racing really well, attacking at the right time with a bit of luck has put in in a position today to widen the gap behind his overall lead.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 11, 2019, 02:56:43 pm
How do they determine the groups of 10? Or do they start according to General Standings?

It appears to be by standings as at the end of the previous day. This must be something pretty exciting to watch as a spectator... in a helicopter (one day when I'm big :P)

This is correct. :thumleft:

Stage wins determine the next days rankings, so the top 10 start together, etc. It mixes it up a bit for the guys in front, and as you might have heard Ricky saying that he has an advantage winning yesterday, because he will not have to open the stage but has the opportunity to follow Quintanilla who is his closest rival without losing any real time.

Remember, normally the top guys start 3 minutes apart so if you won the day before you open the stage with navigation while the guys behind you can ride faster using your tracks as a guide. This is where Peterhansel was brilliant on the bikes: He used to open the stage, and when he realized he was making a mistake, he would feign a mechanical problem, let the others pass him and then only turn around and correct his mistake.  ;D

Brabec is racing really well, attacking at the right time with a bit of luck has put in in a position today to widen the gap behind his overall lead.

Sneaky bugger
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 03:03:34 pm
Someone posted the other day about how poor the coverage is -

I don’t see why we can’t have some live coverage somehow someway 🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Grunder on January 11, 2019, 03:07:02 pm
Someone posted the other day about how poor the coverage is -

I don’t see why we can’t have some live coverage somehow someway 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yeah.

You constantly see choppers in the background of the pics taken.
Surely there could have been chaps on there taking video.

Or even drones. You'd think drones would be incorporated
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 11, 2019, 03:08:11 pm
Someone posted the other day about how poor the coverage is -

I don’t see why we can’t have some live coverage somehow someway 🤦🏻‍♂️
I think it is a French thing... Ever saw a French movie that made sense?  ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:09:14 pm
The first 20 riders are off already, so Ross is racing and Kenny is about to launch.

Gooi mielies perre!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:10:47 pm
This is where Peterhansel was brilliant on the bikes: He used to open the stage, and when he realized he was making a mistake, he would feign a mechanical problem, let the others pass him and then only turn around and correct his mistake.  ;D

Well that's! ... brilliant actually.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 03:14:04 pm
Could Barreda not have continued as a water carrier, what if all Honda riders fall out yet they have one hope left and no one to support that guy ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:17:53 pm
From the official Dakar Rally site:

(https://puu.sh/Cv18V/04f03bd011.png)

I was worried for him yesterday. There was never a time posted for him after WP5 and that is a long ass way to the ASS from there still. By my very rough estimations, using his average progress times over the waypoints times were recorded for him he would have come in somewhere 17:30-18:00 and he started a fraction after 08:00. That is a long day.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:18:03 pm
Could Barreda not have continued as a water carrier, what if all Honda riders fall out yet they have one hope left and no one to support that guy ?

Take Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitsewitz as an example.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:18:47 pm
Man I'm missing the live tracking we had from the Kalahari Rally just about now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:21:01 pm
Stage 5:

(https://puu.sh/Cv1fn/a83d706b09.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Ventana on January 11, 2019, 03:22:13 pm
Someone posted the other day about how poor the coverage is -

I don’t see why we can’t have some live coverage somehow someway 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yeah.

You constantly see choppers in the background of the pics taken.
Surely there could have been chaps on there taking video.

Or even drones. You'd think drones would be incorporated

The same company that organises and runs Dakar also has another big event in it's arsenal - the Tour de France - and South Africa's live coverage of the TdF is second only to France itself......so why we get crap coverage of Dakar and an overdose of TdF can only be described as a mystery.....maybe someone at Multichoice can shed light....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 03:23:51 pm
Could Barreda not have continued as a water carrier, what if all Honda riders fall out yet they have one hope left and no one to support that guy ?

Take Giniel de Villiers and Dirk von Zitsewitz as an example.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few and the one
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:25:12 pm
The ultimate powers that be might have an extra say in today's race...

(https://puu.sh/Cv1iX/4e2cff510d.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 03:33:23 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ExitosaSur/videos/388609485223986/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:33:28 pm
Brabec is 2:26 back in 6th with Quintanilla leading at WP1. He must be taking it a bit easier initially to survive the marathon I hope.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:33:59 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ExitosaSur/videos/388609485223986/

Great thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 03:34:57 pm
Anytime you want to watch live feeds...

Go onto Facebook and type in "dakar", then click on video's. Then on the left under options, click on "live"

The locals are filing live feeds.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:36:15 pm
Cool thanks.

I see now the second wave obviously quite a bit faster than the first one. Just following tracks I guess
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 03:36:49 pm
From ADVride...

They start on the beach, coastline full speed, then turn right before crossing the road there is DZ speed zone, cross road, turn right, parallel to the road, still speed zone this you seen on the video, slow speed, then they turn left, FZ, speedzone is over full gas, the difference in distance is made on the beach.

Can you imagine having a mass start adrenaline dump then having to ride a speed limit just a few minutes later?

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/stage5dss-png.1494650/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:38:12 pm
Ross Branch into WP1 2:36 behind Qiuntilla in 12th. Flying  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 03:38:25 pm
https://www.facebook.com/radiouno.pe/videos/366085574217701/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:39:06 pm

Can you imagine having a mass start adrenaline dump then having to ride a speed limit just a few minutes later?


Yeah kinda odd. I would have tried to have it flat out balls to the wall on into the special.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2019, 03:43:10 pm
Kenny also through wp1 in 5:04 off the lead.  29th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 03:51:08 pm
Ross' position through WP1 seems to have settled as more riders have gone through. He's 16th fastest so far.

Kenny is last (36th) of the riders who have times recorded through WP1 and likely to drop another 2 or 3 positions as more riders come through.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 11, 2019, 03:57:42 pm
Price and Sunderland full taps along the beach!  :thumleft:  :headbang:

https://www.facebook.com/RedBullMotorsports/videos/609900812795984/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2019, 04:31:40 pm
Could Barreda not have continued as a water carrier, what if all Honda riders fall out yet they have one hope left and no one to support that guy ?

Fuck thats funny  :imaposer: His ego would never allow it. I actually think Honda should make him one next year as punishment for being a twat.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 04:35:11 pm
Pablo Quintanilla still leading the way at WP2. Luciano Benavides and Andrew Short are all over him like a bad rash 1 second and 5 seconds behind.

American Skyler Howes, who I understand to be a rookie, is rapid with a 3rd fastest through WP1 and 8th through WP2. He started in the 3rd batch of 10.

Daniel Nosiglia Jager from Bolivia who also started in the 3rd batch is also impressing today with 7th fastest through WP1 and 9th through WP2.

Ricky Brabec, the overall leader at the start of the day was a little off the pace at 15th fastest through WP1 and seems to be picking it up a bit, now 11th fastest at WP2 only 2m03 off the leader.

Ross through WP2 in 21st position.

Laia 2 seconds quicker than Ross and 20th through WP2.

Kenny provisionally 34th at WP2 but shouldn't lose more than a spot or two as more riders make their way through.

Stuart Gregory has now also clocked in at WP1 in 83rd position.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 05:01:07 pm
Ross riding with his two new besties again - Laia and monleon


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 05:15:28 pm
At WP3 it's still Quintanilla leading the pack with Andrew Short holding steady 19 seconds behind him and Kevin Benavides 28 seconds off the leader's pace.

Skyler Howles falling a little bit further backinto 10th fastest but still very quick considering.

Ricky Brabec is still gaining on the leaders and has improved to 8th fastest at WP giving him 15->11->8th fastest for the first 3 waypoints of the day.

Laia and Ross still going hand-in-hand in 21st and 22nd respectively through WP3. If it carries on like this Ross might beat Toby for the longest kiss  >:D

Kenny clocks in a 34th fastest riding very consistently. I'm very far from an expert at this but surely consistency must be one of the best things to be in an event like this and to do that you must be doing quite a few key things right.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 11, 2019, 05:37:35 pm
Seems Nicola Dutto and team is out.  :'(

Information thus far is that they used the road instead of the official route to get to the last bit of stage 4.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 11, 2019, 05:37:49 pm
To get some perspective on Barreda's problem, here was Sam Sunderland falling down a ravine....

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/355224795278054/?type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDqzfzO5Ytb8flx2llUmlgDNqi_0sPx1jSUoDhr3KouDOQh3f8A3UQDQrKrajogXQxdcL6hp-8GWnHG

This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

Admittedly Sam turned that bike around like I would manhandle a toy duck in my bath, but he was certainly not stuck in a ravine.

Barreda : 62,4 % finish rate  ( 5/8  )  ( if incl 2019 then 55 %)

Sam Sunderland : 20 % finish rate ( 1/5 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Matthias Walkner : 50 % finish rate ( 2/4 )  ( not incl 2019 )

Pablo Q : 50 % finish rate ( 3/6 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Wiledog : 0 % finish rate: 0/0 ( not incl 2020)



Barreda's Dakar record is teemed with bad luck , mechanical problems and yes , not great navi skils and yes a tendency to overreach , but certainly not a bad record compared to say Sam Sunderland and Matthias Walkner or many others.:

2011 : DNF ? can't remember why ( I do remember him though ;)  )

2012: 11th place on Husky ;

2013 :17th place because/ despite losing 3 hours , faulty fuel pump of his Husky ;

2014 : 7th place as now factory rider for Honda : navigation errors as he was riding 1st a lot , also lost 2 1/2 hours due to mechanical problems ;

2015 : 17th place Honda ("Coma and his KTM 450 Rally took the overall lead in 2015 Dakar Rally after stage eight from Team HRC Honda’s Joan Barreda Bort – the man who led stages two through seven. Barreda and Coma were rivals throughout the opening stages, but Barreda suffered electronic issues aboard his Honda CRF 450 Rally in stage 8, which put him hours behind the new leader Coma .Coma also congratulated his two rivals Joan Barreda and Paolo Goncalves who he said were tough opponents. “The level was very high and this also makes the win very valuable.”"  and " In Dakar 2015, Barreda Bort was enjoying an overall lead of 13 minutes over Marc Coma who was then at second place, when he had a crash, but still stayed on top. What happened in stage 7 was nothing less than plain legendary - after a crash at kilometre 200, Barreda Bort broke the left side of his handlebar and then rode the bike for 120kms using only one hand."

2016 :DNF due to a combo of mechanical issues ( engine broke ) and fall ;

2017 5th place . Honda Bosses made a weirdly bad decision wrt Fuel stop ( fuel Gate) , so one hour penalty otherwise he would have had podium , possibly 1st place .

2018 DNF , ripped knee ligaments and very badly damaged wrist that had to be operated on , wrist was badly damaged before that Dakar and 2 bones out of the 4 had not healed properly ;

2019 DNF we don't know much but appears as the 1st rider at the time and in bad fog , he went down a ravine that was impossible to ride out from . Walkner followed him but being not so far down managed to turn around.

Barreda has the most stage wins of anyone else in the Dakar ,I think 22 not including 2019.
In fact he has the 6th most stage wins ever  , see below


   
Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14


I think Laia , being the only woman at the pointy end is luckier as she only really has to come in the first 30 to get sponsorship.
Not to take away from her brilliant ride craftmanship. But, the male factory riders have a lot more pressure to get podium and there is a huge pressure on them to ride fast and potentially make big errors/ falls.

 On the other end of the spectrum some riders are thrilled if they come in the first 140 riders  :biggrin: :ricky:


 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 05:52:53 pm
We have a new leader at WP4 in the name of Kevin Benavides and there is less than 10 seconds separating the fastest 4 to this point.

Pablo Quintanilla who has been leading up to now has dropped down to 8th fastest with a deficit of 59 seconds.

Adrien van Beveren who has been solid all day has improved from 6th fastest at WP1 and WP2 to 5th at WP3 and now 2nd at WP4.

Toby Price has pulled into 3rd now and improving 8th->7th->7th->3rd at each waypoint.

Lorenzo Santolino makes up the 4th.

Ricky Brabec is still on the charge and has now improved to 6th fastest.

Ross may have kissed Laia goodbye for now as he gets on the gas to improve to 18th with Laia still 21st fastest.

Kenny also improving by gaining four positions up to 30th now.

Stuart Gregory locks down the 86th best time of the day at WP2.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 11, 2019, 05:58:19 pm
Seems I am the bringer of bad news...

Paulo Gonçalves is out. Bad crash. Slight head injury and possibly a broken hand.  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: King Louis on January 11, 2019, 05:59:24 pm
Rynet's new fb status: in love.....    :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 06:03:26 pm
Seems I am the bringer of bad news...

Paulo Gonçalves is out. Bad crash. Slight head injury and possibly a broken hand.  :'(

BlueBull gaan befok wees
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 11, 2019, 06:08:15 pm
Seems I am the bringer of bad news...

Paulo Gonçalves is out. Bad crash. Slight head injury and possibly a broken hand.  :'(

Couple of pain pills then he can join Toby  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BossPierreLombard on January 11, 2019, 06:11:42 pm
Our ouens are definitely making us proud!

I’m sure bosbreker aka David Ellis will also make a good impression when he gets to this stage in his career.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 06:15:02 pm
Pablo Quintanilla takes the lead right back at WP5!

Trailing by 14 seconds in 2nd is Andrew Short who had fallen to 5th at the previous waypoint.

Adrien van Beveren came through in 3rd 29 seconds off the leader knocking Toby Price back to 4th fastest.

Kevin Benavides who was the new leader at WP4 is now down to 5th.

Fastest overall as at the close of yesterday's stage 4, Ricky Brabec, has now dropped back a touch clocking in at 8th.

Sam Sunderland is having a shitty day by the looks of things registering rather erratic times and thus positions: 11th->23rd->18th->33rd->23rd at each waypoint so far today.

Ross may have been done with Laia but she's apparently not done with him. Chicks always seem to have the last say. Ross holds steady at 18th through WP5 with Laia improving from 21st to 19th only a few seconds behind him.

Kenny picks up another 4 spots from WP4 to WP5 and is now in 26th.

Stuart pushes through WP3 in 84th seemingly riding strong judging by his consistency so far today.

EDIT: A few more riders coming through WP5 and pushing Kenny down to 29th.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 06:18:16 pm
Sunderland and cornejo must have stopped to help goncalves so I’m sure they will get some time back


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 06:43:15 pm
Stuart through WP4 in 81st.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2019, 06:55:18 pm
To get some perspective on Barreda's problem, here was Sam Sunderland falling down a ravine....

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/355224795278054/?type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDqzfzO5Ytb8flx2llUmlgDNqi_0sPx1jSUoDhr3KouDOQh3f8A3UQDQrKrajogXQxdcL6hp-8GWnHG

This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

Admittedly Sam turned that bike around like I would manhandle a toy duck in my bath, but he was certainly not stuck in a ravine.

Barreda : 62,4 % finish rate  ( 5/8  )  ( if incl 2019 then 55 %)

Sam Sunderland : 20 % finish rate ( 1/5 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Matthias Walkner : 50 % finish rate ( 2/4 )  ( not incl 2019 )

Pablo Q : 50 % finish rate ( 3/6 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Wiledog : 0 % finish rate: 0/0 ( not incl 2020)



Barreda's Dakar record is teemed with bad luck , mechanical problems and yes , not great navi skils and yes a tendency to overreach , but certainly not a bad record compared to say Sam Sunderland and Matthias Walkner or many others.:

2011 : DNF ? can't remember why ( I do remember him though ;)  )

2012: 11th place on Husky ;

2013 :17th place because/ despite losing 3 hours , faulty fuel pump of his Husky ;

2014 : 7th place as now factory rider for Honda : navigation errors as he was riding 1st a lot , also lost 2 1/2 hours due to mechanical problems ;

2015 : 17th place Honda ("Coma and his KTM 450 Rally took the overall lead in 2015 Dakar Rally after stage eight from Team HRC Honda’s Joan Barreda Bort – the man who led stages two through seven. Barreda and Coma were rivals throughout the opening stages, but Barreda suffered electronic issues aboard his Honda CRF 450 Rally in stage 8, which put him hours behind the new leader Coma .Coma also congratulated his two rivals Joan Barreda and Paolo Goncalves who he said were tough opponents. “The level was very high and this also makes the win very valuable.”"  and " In Dakar 2015, Barreda Bort was enjoying an overall lead of 13 minutes over Marc Coma who was then at second place, when he had a crash, but still stayed on top. What happened in stage 7 was nothing less than plain legendary - after a crash at kilometre 200, Barreda Bort broke the left side of his handlebar and then rode the bike for 120kms using only one hand."

2016 :DNF due to a combo of mechanical issues ( engine broke ) and fall ;

2017 5th place . Honda Bosses made a weirdly bad decision wrt Fuel stop ( fuel Gate) , so one hour penalty otherwise he would have had podium , possibly 1st place .

2018 DNF , ripped knee ligaments and very badly damaged wrist that had to be operated on , wrist was badly damaged before that Dakar and 2 bones out of the 4 had not healed properly ;

2019 DNF we don't know much but appears as the 1st rider at the time and in bad fog , he went down a ravine that was impossible to ride out from . Walkner followed him but being not so far down managed to turn around.

Barreda has the most stage wins of anyone else in the Dakar ,I think 22 not including 2019.
In fact he has the 6th most stage wins ever  , see below


   
Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14


I think Laia , being the only woman at the pointy end is luckier as she only really has to come in the first 30 to get sponsorship.
Not to take away from her brilliant ride craftmanship. But, the male factory riders have a lot more pressure to get podium and there is a huge pressure on them to ride fast and potentially make big errors/ falls.

 On the other end of the spectrum some riders are thrilled if they come in the first 140 riders  :biggrin: :ricky:
I’m sure Wiledog posted that video to show just what challenge Barreda faced to get out of an even more treacherous ravine. Anyhow not clued up on the rules but heck I’m sure Honda pays Barreda good money, if he could have continued the Rally and shadowed Brabec till the end. Just imagine he needs something trivial like a lever or bar in the last stage and there is no one to assist !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2019, 06:55:46 pm
From Stephie Vetter-Baragwanath:
A little fun before the Mass Start!

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=799514267069916&id=379235369097810 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=799514267069916&id=379235369097810)

Now this is a deal!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 11, 2019, 06:57:47 pm
Eish what has happened to Toby at WP6 ??
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2019, 07:17:20 pm
A touch time for SunderSam

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsf1Ia9Hpf8/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ls8wggz2x5ep (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsf1Ia9Hpf8/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1ls8wggz2x5ep)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2019, 07:21:11 pm
Rynet's new fb status: in love.....    :biggrin:

She has loved him LONG TIME already  :imaposer:

I think she may even be secretary for his fan club, certainly has her finger on his ... stats. Dakar stats do not really mean a whole lot - the top step does ... ask Sam and Toby.  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 07:26:55 pm
Eish what has happened to Toby at WP6 ??

Not that much I don't think, he's through in 9th which might be a few spots down from 4th at WP5 but there's less than a minute between 3rd and 9th.

Quintanilla stretches his lead at WP6 with 52 seconds over Andrew Short in 2nd. In 3rd is van Beveren 3'39 off the pace and as mentioned it's tight like a nun from there.

Ross is through in sweet 16th and on the gas by the looks of things. If he's legitimately only going to go for it from tomorrow as he suggested before the start of the event then we're in for a treat. As if it isn't already.

Laia has dropped back a touch to 20th but there is no difference in the gap between her and Ross at the previous stage, she's damn quick.

Kenny is through in 30th so far but might drop a spot still as more racers make their way through WP6.

After WP6 is the ASS and the end of the marathon stage as I understand it.

Stuart dropped 10 positions to WP 4 in 96th.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 11, 2019, 07:35:11 pm
I think we should all club in and send Ross to Finke to go and compete against Toby  >:D


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 11, 2019, 07:46:06 pm
"12:33 Second chance with the semi-marathon

The Dakar has already claimed many victims with a series of withdrawals in the last two stages. However, a good number of competitors will have a chance, if they wish, to resume the race from the sixth stage onwards in a separate classification called the “semi-marathon”. This category is solely open to cars, SxS and trucks and they will obviously not be included in the classic general standings. Around 25 vehicles are likely to take part in this classification, in light of the requests already made and forthcoming. For the first time, the Dakar will allow the unfortunate competitors of the first week a second chance to shine!"

Nice concept, but why not allow it for the bikes as well??

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2019, 07:46:06 pm
Stephie Vetter-Baragwanath:
Dutto fails to start

The last page of Nicolas Dutto’s inspiring story on the Dakar this year has been written this morning in Moquegua. The paraplegic Italian rider has been announced as a non-starter on the day’s special, just like his companions in this adventure, Pablo Toral and Julián Villarrubia.
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2019, 07:52:24 pm
Eish, Ross a minute after Laia(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190111/a2decf1d1e5f9f55024a64b9fe233eb0.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 11, 2019, 07:54:39 pm
Stuart with a superb section between WP4 and WP5 making up his lost time to WP4 and gaining. He's through in 72nd.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2019, 07:57:26 pm
"12:33 Second chance with the semi-marathon

The Dakar has already claimed many victims with a series of withdrawals in the last two stages. However, a good number of competitors will have a chance, if they wish, to resume the race from the sixth stage onwards in a separate classification called the “semi-marathon”. This category is solely open to cars, SxS and trucks and they will obviously not be included in the classic general standings. Around 25 vehicles are likely to take part in this classification, in light of the requests already made and forthcoming. For the first time, the Dakar will allow the unfortunate competitors of the first week a second chance to shine!"

Nice concept, but why not allow it for the bikes as well??

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Who wants just a semi  :laughing4:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 11, 2019, 07:58:07 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 11, 2019, 07:59:04 pm
"12:33 Second chance with the semi-marathon

The Dakar has already claimed many victims with a series of withdrawals in the last two stages. However, a good number of competitors will have a chance, if they wish, to resume the race from the sixth stage onwards in a separate classification called the “semi-marathon”. This category is solely open to cars, SxS and trucks and they will obviously not be included in the classic general standings. Around 25 vehicles are likely to take part in this classification, in light of the requests already made and forthcoming. For the first time, the Dakar will allow the unfortunate competitors of the first week a second chance to shine!"

Nice concept, but why not allow it for the bikes as well??

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Who wants just a semi  :laughing4:
Maybe a guy like Dutto who really wants to be there...

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Breekbeen on January 11, 2019, 08:01:09 pm
12:47 Xavier de Soultrait beats everyone at the last!

Xavier de Soultrait has been the smartest rider on the last part of the special in the dunes of Ilo to win the 5th stage, just 9 seconds in front of Matthias Walkner. However, this result is merely provisional, in light of Sam Sunderland’s performance: the Englishman finished 7’29 behind the Frenchman, but spent 10 minutes with Paulo Gonçalves following his accident.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 08:23:49 pm
Sunderland fastest now


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 08:58:03 pm
Sunderland fastest now


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He got his time back that he stopped to help a crashed rider.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 09:27:36 pm
Sunderland fastest now


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He got his time back that he stopped to help a crashed rider.

Yes
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 11, 2019, 09:42:22 pm
Sooooo looking at the newest overall standings it looks like our Ausie wil be kissing with his long hair . . .  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2019, 09:47:39 pm
Lol - that wasn’t the wisest bet she ever made


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2019, 10:29:19 pm
So just how much love does a Factory Rally bike need on the Dakar and how durable are they and how different are they from the customer rally bikes?..

https://enduro21.com/index.php/rally/3824-closer-look-at-the-factory-ktm-rally-bikes-at-dakar-2019

Impressive stuff.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Offshore on January 11, 2019, 10:40:55 pm
So just how much love does a Factory Rally bike need on the Dakar and how durable are they and how different are they from the customer rally bikes?..

https://enduro21.com/index.php/rally/3824-closer-look-at-the-factory-ktm-rally-bikes-at-dakar-2019

Impressive stuff.
Indeed.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 12, 2019, 04:27:49 am
"12:33 Second chance with the semi-marathon

The Dakar has already claimed many victims with a series of withdrawals in the last two stages. However, a good number of competitors will have a chance, if they wish, to resume the race from the sixth stage onwards in a separate classification called the “semi-marathon”. This category is solely open to cars, SxS and trucks and they will obviously not be included in the classic general standings. Around 25 vehicles are likely to take part in this classification, in light of the requests already made and forthcoming. For the first time, the Dakar will allow the unfortunate competitors of the first week a second chance to shine!"

Nice concept, but why not allow it for the bikes as well??

Its all about the money. The bivouacs are catering for about 3,500 meals each meal time for example. Less orga is needed to manage less competitors, and so the second half of the rally is normally a little lighter on management side. This year is a little different in that there are only 10 stages and less bivouacs (many will be the same on the way back to lima) so they can probably afford to do this.

Still the bikes are most entrants. Plus the safety factor of tired riders still coming back for another hiding may result in more injuries. This is conjecture on my part though.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 12, 2019, 04:37:31 am
Seems I am the bringer of bad news...

Paulo Gonçalves is out. Bad crash. Slight head injury and possibly a broken hand.  :'(

BlueBull gaan befok wees

Damn. That's a real shame >:(  :-\  :'(

I hope this is not his last year at this. He has had a tough time of it over the years. Bit of a pity to be away for work for two days and come back to this news.



Someone posted the other day about how poor the coverage is -

I don’t see why we can’t have some live coverage somehow someway 🤦🏻‍♂️

Yeah.

You constantly see choppers in the background of the pics taken.
Surely there could have been chaps on there taking video.

Or even drones. You'd think drones would be incorporated
The same company that organises and runs Dakar also has another big event in it's arsenal - the Tour de France - and South Africa's live coverage of the TdF is second only to France itself......so why we get crap coverage of Dakar and an overdose of TdF can only be described as a mystery.....maybe someone at Multichoice can shed light....

The best footage is still Fr2 and Fr4, which are only 1 hour live in the middle of the day (local time) and another 1:5 hrs late at night (France time). They don't seem to have live, though admittedly its harder to do because youre not able to have a cameraman riding pillon on a cruiser in front of the pack in the daker. ;D

Even so it would be amazing if they had a raw feed for us from the heli's.  Thing is there is no wifi out there, so its still all on disk.

Finally there are the video rights. ASO are really anal about pirating their footage because much of their income comes from reselling footage to the networks. They are charging a lot for this and perhaps the cost of buying it raw is simply too high? :scratch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 06:26:33 am
Oh No !

From Adv Rider ( post 2789)

A 60 year old South African male spectator was injured badly , breaking a femur when race truck # 518 ( Andrey Karginov) hit him in an unsecured area.

He was airlifted to hospital in Arequipa

The Truck was disqualified for not stopping .

Hope the spectator is going to be all right .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 06:30:36 am
Rynet's new fb status: in love.....    :biggrin:

She has loved him LONG TIME already  :imaposer:

I think she may even be secretary for his fan club, certainly has her finger on his ... stats. Dakar stats do not really mean a whole lot - the top step does ... ask Sam and Toby.  :ricky:

Yes I am probably Barreda's biggest fan in all of SA ( if not the world  :biggrin: ) and would love to meet him when Honda brings him to JHB . 

Such a  pity about his former team mate Paulo Goncalves also being out .  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 06:38:58 am
To get some perspective on Barreda's problem, here was Sam Sunderland falling down a ravine....

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/355224795278054/?type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARDqzfzO5Ytb8flx2llUmlgDNqi_0sPx1jSUoDhr3KouDOQh3f8A3UQDQrKrajogXQxdcL6hp-8GWnHG

This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

........
I’m sure Wiledog posted that video to show just what challenge Barreda faced to get out of an even more treacherous ravine. Anyhow not clued up on the rules but heck I’m sure Honda pays Barreda good money, if he could have continued the Rally and shadowed Brabec till the end. Just imagine he needs something trivial like a lever or bar in the last stage and there is no one to assist !

Barreda had lost 1 to 2 even 3 hours on previous Dakar's before and still managed to finish in the top 20. My point was that if there was any way at all to get out of that ravine then my friend Barreda would have done it ,in my heart I know that he tried his utmost to get out but it was not humanly possibly for anyone to get out.
Sam's turn around was maybe faster than many but he was not stuck , he could get out . Barreda's ravine must have been a dead end and too steep and rocky to get a bike up.
Anyway even I am getting bored with Barreda now.  :imaposer: Let's focus on the amazing grit and STERLING riding of the SA and Bots boytjies.   :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 06:57:33 am
I have been loving seeing Stuart's daily videos  . Much respect as he must be really exhausted but still sending us video updates.
( I will post them if I knew how to )

Seems he is 8th in the Malle Moto category .

30 started the Malle Moto and only 21 left

Sadly Sarah and Max Hunt is out. .

Anastasia still in . ( 18th )

Much respect for the MM guys. :thumleft: :thumleft:

As for the general group, thanks for the updates guys. 

 Ross Branch doing so well and riding with the top guys  , that is just awesome , to be riding in such a good position as a rookie is unbelievable and Kenny also fantastic progress . They make us proud.  :3some:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 12, 2019, 07:26:04 am
Oh No !

From Adv Rider ( post 2789)

A 60 year old South African male spectator was injured badly , breaking a femur when race truck # 518 ( Andrey Karginov) hit him in an unsecured area.

He was airlifted to hospital in Arequipa

The Truck was disqualified for not stopping .

Hope the spectator is going to be all right .
Must be this incident

Video courtesy of Dakar Peru ZAR info Grouphttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 07:43:01 am
3 Southern Africa Riders:
Position :


22 Ross Branch
27 Kenny Gilbert
74 Stuart Gregory ( 8th Malle Moto )

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

Female Riders
 
19 Laia Sanz
66 Mirjam Pol
92 Anastasiya Nifontova ( 18th in Malle Moto)
93 Gabriela Novotna

American riders ( Great to see them doing well this year )

1 Ricky Brabec ( he came 9th in 2016 ( DNF in 2017 & 2018 ) so holding thumbs for him this year  :thumleft: )
10 Andrew Short ( 2nd appearance ) (he came 17th in Dakar 2018 )
18 Skyler Howes ( Rookie)
49 Garrett Poucher ( Rookie ,very nice Tatoos  :biggrin: )
60 Nathan Rafferty  ( Rookie)

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 07:46:25 am
Oh No !

From Adv Rider ( post 2789)

A 60 year old South African male spectator was injured badly , breaking a femur when race truck # 518 ( Andrey Karginov) hit him in an unsecured area.

He was airlifted to hospital in Arequipa

The Truck was disqualified for not stopping .

Hope the spectator is going to be all right .
Must be this incident

Video courtesy of Dakar Peru ZAR info Grouphttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4)

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Hectic. Eina . :(
Neither the Truck nor the photographer even stopped to look at the injured man.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 12, 2019, 08:14:33 am
Oh No !

From Adv Rider ( post 2789)

A 60 year old South African male spectator was injured badly , breaking a femur when race truck # 518 ( Andrey Karginov) hit him in an unsecured area.

He was airlifted to hospital in Arequipa

The Truck was disqualified for not stopping .

Hope the spectator is going to be all right .
Must be this incident

Video courtesy of Dakar Peru ZAR info Grouphttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4)

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Hectic. Eina . :(
Neither the Truck nor the photographer even stopped to look at the injured man.
Sarel Ludik:
RACE ACCIDENT INVOLVING A SPECTATOR

At km 279 of the SS, a 60-year-old man from South Africa, who was watching the race in an unsecured area (outside of the established spectators zone), was hit by a race truck (#518 Andrey Karginov). The competitor was excluded from the rally by the jury of commissioners for not stopping to attend the injured spectator.   

The injured man has a broken femur. The medical teams of the rally immediately took care of him and transported him to the airport of Ilo, from where he was airlifted to the hospital of Arequipa.

The organization of the rally and the local authorities recall that it is mandatory for the public to respect the secured areas (spectator zones) set up jointly with the Peruvian organization and the local security forces.

#Dakar2019

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2019, 08:23:40 am
Remember that navigation error from the Lithuanian Toyota in stage 3? This is about as far into a crash you can go and still make it back...

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2019, 08:34:00 am
 :eek7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2019, 09:09:39 am
"12:33 Second chance with the semi-marathon

The Dakar has already claimed many victims with a series of withdrawals in the last two stages. However, a good number of competitors will have a chance, if they wish, to resume the race from the sixth stage onwards in a separate classification called the “semi-marathon”. This category is solely open to cars, SxS and trucks and they will obviously not be included in the classic general standings. Around 25 vehicles are likely to take part in this classification, in light of the requests already made and forthcoming. For the first time, the Dakar will allow the unfortunate competitors of the first week a second chance to shine!"

Nice concept, but why not allow it for the bikes as well??

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Who wants just a semi  :laughing4:
Maybe a guy like Dutto who really wants to be there...

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True - there is a n appeal to allow him to continue.
https://www.facebook.com/elena.foi/videos/10216255563876258/?fref=gs&dti=433425150186147&hc_location=group

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 12, 2019, 10:25:27 am
Oh No !

From Adv Rider ( post 2789)

A 60 year old South African male spectator was injured badly , breaking a femur when race truck # 518 ( Andrey Karginov) hit him in an unsecured area.

He was airlifted to hospital in Arequipa

The Truck was disqualified for not stopping .

Hope the spectator is going to be all right .
Must be this incident

Video courtesy of Dakar Peru ZAR info Grouphttp://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5c397ba352d8e/VID_20190112_072934_854.mp4)

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Hectic. Eina . :(
Neither the Truck nor the photographer even stopped to look at the injured man.
Sarel Ludik:
RACE ACCIDENT INVOLVING A SPECTATOR

At km 279 of the SS, a 60-year-old man from South Africa, who was watching the race in an unsecured area (outside of the established spectators zone), was hit by a race truck (#518 Andrey Karginov). The competitor was excluded from the rally by the jury of commissioners for not stopping to attend the injured spectator.   

The injured man has a broken femur. The medical teams of the rally immediately took care of him and transported him to the airport of Ilo, from where he was airlifted to the hospital of Arequipa.

The organization of the rally and the local authorities recall that it is mandatory for the public to respect the secured areas (spectator zones) set up jointly with the Peruvian organization and the local security forces.

#Dakar2019

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At the risk of coming across like a complete dick considering that I wasn't there, it looks to me it was natural selection at work here. From the footage it is very clear where the masses of spectators were standing, where they were supposed to, and where a small group of idiots decided to park themselves... right on the 'track'.

As jy nie wil hoor nie moet jy voel. Zero simpathy from me in fact I hope it hurt like a motherfucker.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 12, 2019, 10:58:29 am
After watching many youtube vids with Russians in, I wouldn't go anywhere near a truck full of them.  :biggrin:

A 60-year old South African should know this shit will happen. Anyways, he has my sympathies, a broken femur is kak. And a broken femur in another country is even more kak.

Hopefully, he was on the brannas, so he won't be that traumatised.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 12, 2019, 11:02:13 am
At the risk of coming across like a complete dick considering that I wasn't there, it looks to me it was natural selection at work here. From the footage it is very clear where the masses of spectators were standing, where they were supposed to, and where a small group of idiots decided to park themselves... right on the 'track'.

As jy nie wil hoor nie moet jy voel. Zero simpathy from me in fact I hope it hurt like a motherfucker.

Agreed that he should not have been there. However, Karginov should at least have stopped. He would not have lost a single minute by showing a little sympathy, when claiming it back at the end of the stage.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 11:38:12 am
At the risk of coming across like a complete dick considering that I wasn't there, it looks to me it was natural selection at work here. From the footage it is very clear where the masses of spectators were standing, where they were supposed to, and where a small group of idiots decided to park themselves... right on the 'track'.

As jy nie wil hoor nie moet jy voel. Zero simpathy from me in fact I hope it hurt like a motherfucker.

Agreed that he should not have been there. However, Karginov should at least have stopped. He would not have lost a single minute by showing a little sympathy, when claiming it back at the end of the stage.
Good point. Constantinople .I know you get time back for assisting a fellow rider so I assume the same would apply for a spectator.  Anyone know ?

But , the Truck driver says he only heard about it back at Bivouac that he had hit one spectator as his view was sand and sky which is fair enough .

If you watch the video we can see the truck actually veered off course so I also have sympathy for the spectators , they were caught off guard. All the other vehicles came down the middle line and this truck was at the far end and adding to that the Truck veered sharply, suddenly .

Still , the spectators should not have been there and I think it is a pity that Org expelled the truck .  They can appeal , but only at the end of the race and what good is that if they are not allowed to continue now ?

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/kamaz-karginov-disqualified-spectator-incident/4322778/


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 12, 2019, 12:39:07 pm
3Rd Overall with only 1 hand ...  :eek7: ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2019, 12:40:48 pm
Must have a Koako throttle lock  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Beserker on January 12, 2019, 01:12:16 pm
Anyway even I am getting bored with Barreda now.  :imaposer:

Woman are soooo fickle  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 01:21:09 pm
Anyway even I am getting bored with Barreda now.  :imaposer:

Woman are soooo fickle  >:D

Im not getting bored of Barreda himself. :lol8:  I meant I am bored about talking about Barreda falling down a rabbit hole.

It's much more exciting to talk about where to stand in a 189,000 sq m desert. 

I'm waiting for the knob kierie dual at dawn .

 but then what do you expect from two Husky riders.  :pot: :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BossPierreLombard on January 12, 2019, 02:20:42 pm
https://www.rallyraidnetwork.com/rrn/index.php/news/3184-dakar-2019-nicola-dutto-out-of-the-race.html

Those words from Joey about this guys situation hits hard. So much more than just riding.

Its looks like he could continue - but there were a “sequence of misunderstandings “

To come this far.. respect to him anyways
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2019, 02:24:17 pm
At the risk of coming across like a complete dick considering that I wasn't there, it looks to me it was natural selection at work here. From the footage it is very clear where the masses of spectators were standing, where they were supposed to, and where a small group of idiots decided to park themselves... right on the 'track'.

As jy nie wil hoor nie moet jy voel. Zero simpathy from me in fact I hope it hurt like a motherfucker.

Agreed that he should not have been there. However, Karginov should at least have stopped. He would not have lost a single minute by showing a little sympathy, when claiming it back at the end of the stage.
Good point. Constantinople .I know you get time back for assisting a fellow rider so I assume the same would apply for a spectator.  Anyone know ?

But , the Truck driver says he only heard about it back at Bivouac that he had hit one spectator as his view was sand and sky which is fair enough .

If you watch the video we can see the truck actually veered off course so I also have sympathy for the spectators , they were caught off guard. All the other vehicles came down the middle line and this truck was at the far end and adding to that the Truck veered sharply, suddenly .

Still , the spectators should not have been there and I think it is a pity that Org expelled the truck .  They can appeal , but only at the end of the race and what good is that if they are not allowed to continue now ?

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/kamaz-karginov-disqualified-spectator-incident/4322778/

My biggest concern when I heard, was that it was a 60 year old South African, Ross's father is 60 and there spectating, Ross doesn't need that on his mind.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2019, 02:46:16 pm
Welsh, me too , I was also concerned about that or that it is someone that we know.  Hope the spectator is ok .
It's not a nice thing to have happened whoever was at fault .  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 12, 2019, 03:11:36 pm
I have asked and no it is not his father
But yes still very strongs to the guy and his family that has to deal with this trauma
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 12, 2019, 03:16:19 pm
A little bit of entertainment on our day off.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsfdhx7h3Em/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=op3dh1oun9q6 (https://www.instagram.com/p/Bsfdhx7h3Em/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=op3dh1oun9q6)


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 12, 2019, 04:06:08 pm
Don't know if this was posted. Look at 10:10. From this you can actually see Karginov took the best line, could not keep it, slid slightly uphill, spotted the bystanders running to left and then turned right and most likely did not see or feel the man being driven over.

Even the bystanders looks like they thought he would make the turn and started running away quite late.

https://youtu.be/uZeB7PmKR_s
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JustBendIt on January 12, 2019, 04:12:38 pm
I have asked and no it is not his father
But yes still very strongs to the guy and his family that has to deal with this trauma

It is definitely not Kevin Branch
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2019, 04:45:08 pm
I have asked and no it is not his father
But yes still very strongs to the guy and his family that has to deal with this trauma

It is definitely not Kevin Branch

Cool, I was just concerned age and origin  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 12, 2019, 06:51:24 pm
Seems even competitors are being driven over. Look there at 05:03


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 12, 2019, 06:56:43 pm
A Holden  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2019, 07:14:16 pm

Seems even competitors are being driven over. Look there at 05:03


And to think all this footage compiled from that taken by obedient spectators confined to their spectator points with self discipline.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 12, 2019, 07:30:56 pm
Stephie Vetter-Baragwanath:
Kamaz team visit the injured SA spectator.
(Photo credit unknown. Re-post from our Dakar Peru 2019 ZAR info WA group)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190112/6c87b0c4a13ba0212f2c78268599cc78.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 12, 2019, 08:11:57 pm
On a separate point - I had a good laugh seeing Loebs navigator have a melt down before yesterday’s stage

Man that was funny - he doesn’t want to continue then loeb says (and I para phrase) “well we can’t walk home”

Then goes on to win the stage by a mile - I think it’s that moment when you get gatvol and just put the hammer down because your navigator pissed you off


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2019, 10:30:01 pm
Stephie Vetter-Baragwanath:
Kamaz team visit the injured SA spectator.
(Photo credit unknown. Re-post from our Dakar Peru 2019 ZAR info WA group)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190112/6c87b0c4a13ba0212f2c78268599cc78.jpg)

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glad the SA spectators fine - his very lucky and i hope the trucks disqualification was lifted- with spectators all over the show it must be a hand full to control 10 ton flying Kamaz
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 12, 2019, 10:44:09 pm
On a separate point - I had a good laugh seeing Loebs navigator have a melt down before yesterday’s stage

Man that was funny - he doesn’t want to continue then loeb says (and I para phrase) “well we can’t walk home”

Then goes on to win the stage by a mile - I think it’s that moment when you get gatvol and just put the hammer down because your navigator pissed you off


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At the rest day loeb says “we were fired up”


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 13, 2019, 12:01:51 am

Seems even competitors are being driven over. Look there at 05:03


And to think all this footage compiled from that taken by obedient spectators confined to their spectator points with self discipline.  :peepwall:

Are you filling in for Danie or something? ;D

There is some seriously scary /dangerous stuff in a few places in that vid. Not sure how they will ever be able to control the crowds in an event like this.
Another example from the Baja (Click on pic below)  - the guys is lucky to only get his mirror clipped. People can be really stupid.

https://bluebull2007.smugmug.com/Rally/Dakar-2019/i-nSzh9Jn/A

Its racing. We just have to do our best to minimize. In the case of the truck, I think he could have avoided that group and agree with the sanction. Earlier in the same vid he nearly took out another spectator, so I would say its an aggravating circumstance in its own right. IMO the orga have to be harsh otherwise things will get out of hand very fast.


Hopefully the PC department won't shut it all down.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 13, 2019, 07:03:34 am
https://youtu.be/goXZsv5OOjI

Hope this works. These dutchies have such a lekker attitude
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 08:35:11 am
Nice insights from Ross about the speed of the big guns  in the image attached (I couldn’t copy paste for some reason??)




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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on January 13, 2019, 08:48:58 am
Bring on ZA & BWN Moto Raiders . . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2019, 09:01:39 am
Evens Derek Hudson, was the South African spectator who was injured.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 13, 2019, 09:25:35 am
A bit of controversy brewing around Nicola Dutto's disqualification:

"So here's the entire story about Nicola Dutto, straight from Nicola:

Yesterday, one of the Ghost riders bike broke, and they spent two hours working on it only to go another10 miles to break again and strand the rider. When the team arrived at the next check point they advised the Dakar Representative that the rider was stuck and needed transportation out. The team was several hours out and asked the Dakar Rally Representative if they could travel on the highway for safety and take a penalty. The Dakar Resentative called Dakar head quarters to check and Head Quarters agreed. At the next check point the team once again stopped and asked another Representative the same question, AGAIN, the Representative called Head Quarters to double check that Nicola's team was abiding by the Dakar Rally Rules, everything was wonderful and the team finished the day.

Now comes the Fun:

Inside the bivouac an official pulled Nicola aside and told him he was disqualified for taking the Highway, (Yes that same Fucking highway the Top Dakar Rally Representatives told him to take for safety).

Inside the bivouac Elena Foi went to talk to the Top Representative of the Daker Rally to explain what the riders had been instructed to do for the safety of the team, and to show the Top Dakar Representative the video tape that Julián Villarrubia Garcia took during the telephone calls and exactly what other Representatives told Nicola. The so called Top Representative of Dakar didn't want to hear it and escorted Elena out of his office, with a smug "I make the Rules." WTF, who does this shit! Oh yeah, The French, arrogant bastards!

Here's the part everyone will Love:
So as to NOT MAKE The Dakar Rally Association looked bad, they Said:
Nicola and his team failed to start today's stage, that was the reason for his disqualification. This was 5 minutes after they posted an article that Nicola was still running strong on there Homepage. Gotta love these bastards!

If they didn't want Nicola to race, they should have said so in the first place! But no, let's first take his $.

Everyone should Express there opinion to the Dakar Rally Representatives and Top Sponsors (Red Bull, Motul, etc.) that this type of behavior is not acceptable to anyone, especially a Paraplegic rider trying to create opportunities for future Handicap racers,

Nicola was on his way to a marvelous finish, and I for one am very proud of him, and I am so happy to be part of this team on this glorious life experience. VIVA NICOLA!"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 13, 2019, 09:42:38 am
Im of a different opinion. I realise it will not be pc and popular

When you start to bend the rules to cater for a handicap person’s dream, you are tredding dangerous grounds.  I do appreciate his guts and determination, i really do. 

In my mind if you cant pick up your bike you dont belong in these kind of races. And that goes for able bodied people too. Its an individual event, not a team sport. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 10:00:53 am
I agree - it must be super unsafe for him as well.

I think the only reason you would want to do it is to inspire other handicapped people so they don’t hold back on dreams

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 13, 2019, 10:11:04 am
I agree - it must be super unsafe for him as well.

I think the only reason you would want to do it is to inspire other handicapped people so they don’t hold back on dreams

And thats all great and noble, but one must be realistic aswell.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JustBendIt on January 13, 2019, 11:38:36 am
We live in a world where we are constantly told we can do anything and overcome any adversity

The reality is that this is not true

Harsh but fair

Hats off to Nicola Dutton and team for getting this far
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Antonie on January 13, 2019, 01:14:32 pm
All true BUT I think the problem lies with org advising that they can continue andbthe doesna 180 after the fact and disqualifies. That is a dick move as I am sure they would have reconsider their options if told outright that they are not allowed to do this.

Being told you can do anything, and then actually getting off your arse and then doing it (investing time and money, shit loads of both) just to be screwed over by a twat behind a desk is two different things.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 13, 2019, 01:15:19 pm
Im of a different opinion. I realise it will not be pc and popular

When you start to bend the rules to cater for a handicap person’s dream, you are tredding dangerous grounds.  I do appreciate his guts and determination, i really do. 

In my mind if you cant pick up your bike you dont belong in these kind of races. And that goes for able bodied people too. Its an individual event, not a team sport.

He didn't get disqualified because he was differently abled , it was because he wasn't French   :imaposer:

Every year the Dakar Org makes or changes some arbitrary rule that penalizes some person or another. .Look even the ( to me ) unfair decision to DQ the Russian Truck.

Nicola had the permission from various lower down Org people but he did take a risk by riding on tar because this against the rules .
I don't understand why he could not have given up the ghost on his one stranded ghost rider and left him to sort out his problems. Nicola could have carried on with the other 3 ghost riders on the daily route given and all would have been ok.

I agree differently abled Dakar competitors should not be treated differently especially since the Org had already made various allowances for him.

Kudos to Nicola for getting this far and I really hope he is back next year and will choose to stay more firmly within the rules.

(It was hard for me to watch the videos because of what we went through with my brother after his bicycle accident in 1995 )

So yes I admire Nicola enormously because of the huge sacrifices and grit and determination to get that far .  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2019, 01:17:00 pm
All true BUT I think the problem lies with org advising that they can continue andbthe doesna 180 after the fact and disqualifies. That is a dick move as I am sure they would have reconsider their options if told outright that they are not allowed to do this.

Being told you can do anything, and then actually getting off your arse and then doing it (investing time and money, shit loads of both) just to be screwed over by a twat behind a desk is two different things.

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As said before, the French.. in contracting there is a saying "to the French a signed contract is a basis for negotiation". :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 13, 2019, 01:53:26 pm
In other news:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 13, 2019, 01:56:06 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 02:40:38 pm
Bliksem maar daai is mooi kiekies!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 02:46:38 pm
Bliksem maar daai is mooi kiekies!
Vir iemand wat sy tanne borsel met n oranje tanneborsel en gesig was met n oranje waslap is dit erg om te se . . . maar ja ek stem saam daai is awsome kiekies  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 13, 2019, 03:17:59 pm
After 16 hours, Stuart is only 20 mins behind Ross ........................ he's doing extremely well.

I've seen the speeds of Ross and Kenny and those boys fly. Or at least, they are way way quicker than me.

I'd be twenty minutes behind them after only an hour ............  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 03:34:21 pm
I’m not sure if I understand you but I think you may be misreading something


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 13, 2019, 04:06:48 pm
After 16 hours, Stuart is only 20 mins behind Ross ........................ he's doing extremely well.

I've seen the speeds of Ross and Kenny and those boys fly. Or at least, they are way way quicker than me.

I'd be twenty minutes behind them after only an hour ............  :'(
From what I see, Ross is 2 hours behind the front runner and Stuart is 9 hrs, 50min behind

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 13, 2019, 04:26:43 pm
More eye candy..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 13, 2019, 04:55:07 pm
https://m.facebook.com/notes/ktm-south-africa/five-minutes-with-branch-at-the-bivouac/10156926771215818/


Lekker interview of Ross Branch  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 04:59:14 pm
Don’t know what Ross got right to wp1 but this is exciting - 7th fastest so far


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Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 05:03:57 pm
It has just Adjusted Ross 3rd  - someone must have taken a wrong turn for that to happen

Top ten haemorrhaged big time there


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 13, 2019, 05:05:34 pm
Don’t know what Ross got right to wp1 but this is exciting - 7th fastest so far


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There's a glitch in the timing it seems, or otherwise a 'loop' back to WP1 which is causing issues with timing. Will apparently sort itself out by WP2
Either way, Go Ross, and Kenny and Stewart. Start the 2nd half of this race off solidly.
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 05:24:19 pm
If the timings are correct Ross will be learning plenty as he was riding with Toby, AvB and Svitko at wp1


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 05:36:16 pm
My heart! I thought Ross was legitimately through WP1 in 3rd fastest only 15 seconds off the pace. Now I'm super curious to see the adjustments at WP2... just in case it somehow holds true. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 05:50:12 pm
lol I was also excited but this timing is screwed


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 05:59:49 pm
I don't know man, I'm not convinced about WP2 either. Do you think Ross would have lost almost 25 minutes over 2 waypoints?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 06:21:59 pm
I don't know man, I'm not convinced about WP2 either. Do you think Ross would have lost almost 25 minutes over 2 waypoints?

Eish looks like something must have happened again with him.  :-\
Know yesterday there was a crash and then a broken tank and then later also a broken fuel pump that had him loose time  :xxbah:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 06:35:08 pm
Nah forget this - I’m going to step away - have a glass of wine and bravo and revisit this later - too much stress!!!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2019, 07:04:21 pm
The first part is a double loop.

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/screenshot012-png.1500514/)

This has been screwing with the timing.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2019, 07:05:06 pm
This guy is live feeding from here - 15°33'50.56"S 74°50'22.83"W

https://www.facebook.com/dennis.romerosaldarreaga/videos/10213656111704309/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dustman on January 13, 2019, 07:22:25 pm
Cute


https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-jpg/garcia-merino/15729/0:0,1200:800-1000-0-70/092f0


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 07:28:25 pm
Where is Brabec ??? Is it tracking issues
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 13, 2019, 07:33:44 pm
Nah forget this - I’m going to step away - have a glass of wine and bravo and revisit this later - too much stress!!!


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Dont warry,  Ross is through Wp4 in 23rd now so no big shift, probably a snafu in the timings that is working itself out now. :thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 13, 2019, 07:35:59 pm
Where is Brabec ??? Is it tracking issues

I have Brabec, 3rd, running through Wp4. However he is far back in the field for some reason so we will have to wait a bit to see him come through.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 07:58:28 pm
Wow Ross was rapid from WP3 to WP4, he made up time on almost the entire field! Way too much work to calculate exactly how fast he was in that specific sector compared to everyone else but on the eye it looks like a top 5.

EDIT: To add to that, he maintained that pace in the next sector, less than 30 seconds slower than the fastest in that one. I'm excited to see his next sector time now, he is absolutely flying.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 08:07:43 pm
I think Ross lost some time to wp1 and we will hear later -

At least he has caught back up to a better level of rider at wp5 so I think that helps tow you along

Laia giving him a carrot again


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 08:13:59 pm
The funniest thing is how much livelier this chat is during working hours - tells me a lot about your work ethic!

On the flip side you could value family time


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 08:18:32 pm
The funniest thing is how much livelier this chat is during working hours - tells me a lot about your work ethic!

On the flip side you could value family time




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The network is faster and more stable at work . . . .  :patch: ??? ;) >:D :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 13, 2019, 08:21:23 pm
After 16 hours, Stuart is only 20 mins behind Ross ........................ he's doing extremely well.

I've seen the speeds of Ross and Kenny and those boys fly. Or at least, they are way way quicker than me.

I'd be twenty minutes behind them after only an hour ............  :'(
From what I see, Ross is 2 hours behind the front runner and Stuart is 9 hrs, 50min behind

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Fair enough. I was reading the numbers from post #733. What did they mean?

My last line still holds, though .......................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 08:25:57 pm
Holy hell Ross is charging, he is tied fastest from WP5 to WP6!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 08:33:10 pm
Fair enough. I was reading the numbers from post #733. What did they mean?

Those are the starting times (at GMT+2) of all the Southern African competitors at the Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 13, 2019, 08:54:14 pm
If Laia keeps it together, Mr. Price is in danger of loosing his mullet...  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 08:58:19 pm
If Laia keeps it together, Mr. Price is in danger of loosing his mullet...  :lol8:
We are all praying for her to make it . . . . :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 09:12:46 pm
Guys and girls - I made a rudimentary video that is very Intersting - I found a live feed from early today - I videoed Ross on my phone and recorded another video with him next to Ricky Brabec starting them at the same time - you can’t believe how fast Brabec is compared to him.

I wish I could share it here but don’t know how to??


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 13, 2019, 09:20:44 pm
Guys and girls - I made a rudimentary video that is very Intersting - I found a live feed from early today - I videoed Ross on my phone and recorded another video with him next to Ricky Brabec starting them at the same time - you can’t believe how fast Brabec is compared to him.

I wish I could share it here but don’t know how to??


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I don't know how to embed a video either but if you have it uploaded to, let's say Dropbox, then you can share the link and we can download it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 13, 2019, 09:25:04 pm
Looks like Ross is in in 18th . . . .  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2019, 10:54:49 pm
Ross got a good mention on dstv coverage and is now the fastest rookie


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 13, 2019, 10:57:15 pm
Guys and girls - I made a rudimentary video that is very Intersting - I found a live feed from early today - I videoed Ross on my phone and recorded another video with him next to Ricky Brabec starting them at the same time - you can’t believe how fast Brabec is compared to him.

I wish I could share it here but don’t know how to??


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Sounds cool. Easiest option is to load it on YouTube.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 14, 2019, 06:37:07 am
It looks like Ross is sitting in 17th overall. Whilst I'm aware that this is at the expense of a few guys ahead of him dropping out, it is nonetheless a remarkable result. Gotta consolidate now. And Kenny at 23rd is also amazing, and Stuart still in it and avoiding the snowball. Go Lads! Bring it home!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 07:14:02 am
It looks like Ross is sitting in 17th overall. Whilst I'm aware that this is at the expense of a few guys ahead of him dropping out, it is nonetheless a remarkable result. Gotta consolidate now. And Kenny at 23rd is also amazing, and Stuart still in it and avoiding the snowball. Go Lads! Bring it home!

Dakar is not for sissy's... (click on the picture for the video)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/0/12a6cf68/M/2019011407152217-398eb023-d537-4965-998c-8895b84a1546-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/A)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:23:27 am
Thanks Kamanya
can you also please load the last video of Ross  , I don't know how , thank s :thumleft:



Look how soft the sand is

Apparently the most fallen out since 2007 ? The hardest Dakar in a long time

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:25:01 am
DAKAR RALLY
@dakar


Stage 6 Summary: Arequipa > San Juan de Marcona | Bike & Quad

https://twitter.com/i/status/1084572043960406017

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:36:53 am
Stage Results Stage 6
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:42:44 am
Overall standings after Stage 6
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 07:42:57 am
Thanks Kamanya
can you also please load the last video of Ross  , I don't know how , thank s :thumleft:


Ross looks like he's far ahead of the snowball... (click on picture to see video)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: weskus on January 14, 2019, 07:47:16 am
Thanks Andrew & Rynet.. Saffers doen goed :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:48:58 am
Overall positions at stage 6  (positions 24 - 50)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 14, 2019, 07:50:56 am
Very close , less than 11 minutes separating the top 6 and with 4 stages to go it can go to any of them .

2019 Dakar Rally Outright Standings after Stage Six
1 . QUINTANILLA Pablo CHI Husqvarna 20:45’13
2 . BRABEC Ricky USA Honda +04’38
3 . PRICE Toby AUS KTM +05’17
4 . BENAVIDES Kevin ARG Honda +08’01
5 . VAN BEVEREN Adrien FRA Yamaha +09’32
6 . WALKNER Matthias AUT KTM +10’46
7 . SUNDERLAND Sam GBR KTM +21’06
8 . SVITKO Stefan SLO KTM +31’56
9 . DE SOULTRAIT Xavier FRA Yamaha +38’04
10. SHORT Andrew SA Husqvarna +38’56

It looks like Ross is sitting in 17th overall. Whilst I'm aware that this is at the expense of a few guys ahead of him dropping out, it is nonetheless a remarkable result. Gotta consolidate now. And Kenny at 23rd is also amazing, and Stuart still in it and avoiding the snowball. Go Lads! Bring it home!

To finish first , first you must finish
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 07:55:18 am
Stage 6 overall position 54 to 80

See Stuart Gregory slowing climbing up , nr 75

Stuart (also  11th in Malle moto)  and Anastasiya ( 13th in Malle Moto )  both in Malle moto and climbing up the gerneral ranks there too



Our Ross is the first Rookie now that Styler Howes fell out  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:01:31 am


Dakar heroes stage 6:







Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:03:15 am
Nice short clip



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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:09:31 am
Our Kenny is in this one near the start   :thumleft:


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:13:40 am
Laia blog ( from Adv Rider )

Laia Sanz prepares to collect the funniest bet of the Dakar
01/13/2019

If you finish in the top 15, you can cut the hair of your partner Toby Price, but in return, if he ends up in the top five, you can kiss him.

In full rest day, after the first five stages of the 2019 Dakar Rally, Soficat Xerox restates its objectives to be better than expected in the race.

"Before starting I would have signed only to reach the end, regardless of the position. Now I do not just want to cross the finish line in Lima, I would like to do it in the top 15, although I know it will not be easy ".


Who has not made a crazy bet before a challenge? Well, if you call yourself Laia Sanz or Toby Price, the dimensions of the challenge are directly proportional to the fun of the suggested bet.

This Australian of 31 years and this Spanish of 33 are tanned in a thousand kilometers per thousand deserts; they have a winning character; they are top-level pilots, a benchmark in and out of the race and, at the same time, simple, close friends; good people; facts of another pasta, with that point of madness that the riders of motorcycles of the Dakar have (surely, both would agree in which of the two has that more developed point, but the reader will have to imagine it). They like to laugh at themselves and their classmates, always in a healthy and friendly way.

One stage ends, they gather at a folding table in the camp, they begin to "sting". Between joke and joke end up playing that, if Toby Price finishes in the top five, will give a kiss of five seconds to Laia, while Laia can cut the ungainly hair to Toby if she ends in the top 15. So there is no doubts sign the foundations of the game on a piece of paper and Laia immortalizes it with a mobile photo. Around him are the KTM teammates laughing with the show.

They wear a lot of tute, both came very fair to the Dakar (Toby for a broken wrist, which was made in a stage a month earlier, and Laia for his lack of preparation, due to the Q fever he contracted and a mononucleosis that they prevented training until last December), but the good atmosphere reigns in the camp of the Austrian brand. The kilometers, the physical sequels and the hours on the bike weigh less like this. Everyone continues laughing, but the smiles of the two protagonists of this story hide a secret that is not such: both are determined to win the double bet.

Arrived at the mid-point of the race, Price is fourth to 3 minutes and 21 seconds behind the leader and Laia, nineteenth, 21 minutes from the fifteenth. "Before starting I would have signed only to reach the end, regardless of the position, but I feel better than I expected. Now I do not only want to cross the finish line in Lima, I want to do it in the top 15, although I know it will not be easy because the level this year is very high and, in addition, the type of rally that we are encountering is not conducive to my characteristics, with little navigation, many tracings and a lot of speed and fesh-fesh ", he acknowledges, before adding with a smile that" I want to cut Toby's hair from last year and now he will not be able to escape ". To which the Australian replies that "this is a bit stressful right now. Laia is very fast. "

The "problem" for Soficat Xerox is that his partner is also very fast and is on track to achieve his goal: "Toby is a machine. He has been suffering from a very strong pain in the scaphoid for days and I do not know how he is able to endure and drive like this. You can still pass everything, the front are all a few minutes and there is a lot of rally, but of course you have options. "

For Laia, the key will be "to hold and follow the tonic of the last stages," he explains. "I think I'm defending myself well and I get very good marks after how I got to the Dakar this year. The first days I started a little lack of pace, but then, after the third, I started to feel better and to run very well, "he says.

The outcome will be known next Thursday, January 17, after the last five stages of the Dakar Rally, which will continue tomorrow after the deserved day of rest on Saturday.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:21:06 am
Yamaha updates  ( from Adv Rider ) Photos of Adrien van Beveren

Adrien Van Beveren Inside The Top Five On Dakar’s Stage Six
The second part of the 2019 Dakar Rally has started today with Yamalube Yamaha Rally team riders battling through a demanding stage six of the event. Enjoying a stealthy performance in the dunes of Peru, Adrien Van Beveren earned a fifth-place result for the day and remains fifth in the provisional overall standings.

Bringing competitors back to San Juan de Marcona, stage six of the Dakar was contented in the massive dunes of the area. Stopping to assist injured rider Lorenzo Santolino in the opening part of the timed special, Adrien Van Beveren was given back the time lost as soon as he finished the stage.

With six stages contested so far in Peru, WR450F Rally mounted Van Beveren has finished inside the top five in five of them. Holding on to a strong fifth place in the overall standings, Adrien is less than ten minutes behind the event's provisional leader.

Following his strong third place result on stage five, Xavier de Soultrait was unable to show his true potential on Sunday's stage six. Suffering sea sickness in the massive dunes, Xavier had to settle for an 11th place result on stage six. He will be the 11th rider to start tomorrow's stage seven.

With just four stages left to be contested, the 2019 Dakar Rally is now entering its most decisive phase. On Monday competitors will race a 323km timed special in a 387km loop around the city of San Juan de Marcona.

 
Adrien Van Beveren - Yamalube Yamaha Rally rider
5th Stage 6 / 5th Overall
"It was a hard day but everything worked fine for me. We woke up super early to start the stage and that was tough on our bodies. After we took the start of the special I saw Santolino on the ground and stopped to help him. I lost a few minutes there but got the time back when I reached the finish. As soon as the medics arrived I got back on my bike and returned to the stage. I pushed hard while also making sure I avoided mistakes. This race is all about managing your risks and keeping it on two wheels. Overall, I'm happy with my performance today and I my starting position for tomorrow is not that bad. There is still four days of racing here in Peru and it's going to be pretty intense."

 
Xavier de Soultrait - Yamalube Yamaha Rally rider
11th Stage 6 / 9th Overall
"It was a difficult day in the dunes. I was among the first riders to start the stage and soon after I felt sea sickness from riding up and down in the dunes. I got some special pills for that and did the best I could until the end of the stage. I might have lost some time in the overall, but I am physically and mentally strong at the moment. I also have a great starting position for tomorrow and I am planning to take full advantage of it. Tomorrow I want to push as hard as possible to make up time. My goal is to battle for the stage win and I will do everything possible to make it happen."
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:24:47 am
Honda updates ( Photos Ricky Brabec )


HRC

2019 Dakar Rally Sunday, January 13th 2019
Stage Round DAK19 , Stage 6 Dakar 2019
Brabec and Benavides remain in the fight for the Dakar
This report is in the following languages:

In spite it being Sunday, there is no rest for the Dakar. Far from it: today witnessed the longest stage so far in the 2019 odyssey at 839 kilometres. The route took competitors from inland to the coast – from the cold and wet heights of Arequipa to warm and windy San Juan de Marcona.

Riders rode the first 177 km-liaison section late yesterday evening which took the entourage to the impressive Tanaka dunes on the coast. Today the riders battled out an opening 84km-special, which was followed by an 18km neutralization section before the stage’s main trek – a tough 232km special which returned the bikers back to the bivouac in San Juan de Marcona.

Kevin Benavides fought nail and tooth for the stage win and nearly pulled it off, coming home less than two minutes shy of stage winner Quintanilla. However, the Argentine Monster Energy Honda Team climbed the overall leader board from seventh to fourth place, eating one minute into the overall leader’s time.

Californian Ricky Brabec dropped a little time today trying to validate an awkward waypoint, which saw him concede the privileged position of overall race leader, although the American remains just four minutes adrift of the top spot.

Nacho Cornejo, who moved up to second place after race authorities returned the time that he had spent assisting fallen rider Paulo Gonçalves in stage five, ended up opening the way for several kilometres. As a consequence of this disadvantageous position the Chilean dropped time but managed to keep pace with his adversaries.

Tomorrow, Monday, sees the first of the looping stages which this edition of the Dakar will feature. Riders can look forward to the highest proportion of kilometres of special stage out of the total of 387 to be completed. The hundred participants still surviving will face 323 kilometres of special. The stage will have some complicated navigation and will play out over broken ground, as the area has already seen the vehicles pass over it on previous days.


 
José Ignacio Cornejo 10
STAGE: 10th OVERALL: 12th
Today was a good day. It was tough as there were a lot of stones and sand on the course. The first stretches had very soft dunes which were very difficult to pass. It turned out to be a good day for me. There was a section of special where I opened the track and I felt very comfortable and set a good pace. I am happy. We have four more days left and we will continue pushing.


 
Ricky Brabec 15
STAGE: 6th OVERALL: 2nd
It was another tough stage. The temperature was nice but the wind was a big factor. It’s kind of hard to ride all day with the wind pushing you around. At one point for about 50 km I was concerned about fuel. I know that we had filled up at the top at kilometre 80 at the neutralization. I was freaking out because I ran out of one of my tanks earlier than expected. On the whole it was a good day. There’s four days left. I’m glad to be at this bivouac full of fesh fesh that makes everything such a mess. I’m looking forward to the next four days. Hopefully I can stay in the fight and keep pushing. I feel great and my body is at 100%.


 
Kevin Benavides 47
STAGE: 2nd OVERALL: 4th
Today was a good day. I changed the strategy to start pushing this second week and today I started further out. The idea was to finish as well as possible later on, so this second position on the stage is fine despite having lost a bit of time towards the end. We have to keep going and not waste too much time in the remaining stages.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:29:04 am
Toby Price , the Legend .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:32:02 am
For Minxy  ;)

Pablo Q who is doing so well  :3some:

Pablo Q photos

Husqvarna

PABLO QUINTANILLA WINS STAGE SIX OF DAKAR RALLY
ROCKSTAR ENERGY HUSQVARNA FACTORY RACING RALLY STAR RETAKES THE LEAD IN THE EVENT’S PROVISIONAL OVERALL STANDINGS


Claiming his first individual stage victory at this year’s Dakar Rally, Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing rider Pablo Quintanilla has retaken the lead of the event’s provisional overall standings. Securing a solid eighth place result on stage six Pablo’s team partner Andrew Short remains well placed inside the top 10 in the overall.

Entering the second week of Dakar in high spirits, Pablo Quintanilla put in a great performance today in Peru. Involved in a battle for the stage victory with fellow South American Kevin Benavides, Quintanilla took the virtual lead before the penultimate waypoint and never looked back.

Following a well-considered plan of attack, the FR 450 Rally mounted Quintanilla has put himself back into the rally’s overall lead with four crucial stages still to be contested in the Peruvian countryside. Overall, Pablo is now four minutes and 38 seconds ahead of his closest rival.

Earning yet another top 10 stage result, Rockstar Energy Husqvarna Factory Racing’s Andrew Short wrapped up stage six with an eighth-place result. Battling through tough conditions and tricky navigation the American racer is now tenth overall, 38 minutes behind his team partner Quintanilla.

Monday’s stage seven includes a loop around the city of San Juan de Marcona. In a total distance of 387km, the day’s timed special is 323km long.

Pablo Quintanilla: “Everything went according to plan today and I’m happy with the stage win. The day wasn’t easy, the pace was quite fast, and navigation was difficult. We also had to race through strong headwinds. We had a good battle with Kevin Benavides and at one point I managed to pass him and retain the lead. It’s good to be back on top in the overall. The race is still long and I want to stick to my plan. Tomorrow I will be the first rider to start the stage and this is surely a disadvantage. But my plan is to fight back for a good result on day eighth and then take advantage of the mass start on day nine. Lots of things can happen these next few days but I will do my best to keep my eyes focused on my goals.”

Andrew Short: “It was a tricky day for me. The dunes are really soft and it’s hard to get a good rhythm. I saw a rider crash in front of me in the first part of the stage and that was a bit disappointing. It took me some time to find my pace. After the halfway point I caught up with a few other riders and we continued the rest of the stage racing alongside each other. It was a hard day for all of us with the wind and the terrain, everything was really tough. Despite all that, I’m still in a good position in the race and I have a few more stages to improve my position in the overall standings.”


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:35:20 am
Anastasiya is doing well for such a tiny lady , and in Malle moto nogals ( and 13th in MM after i think 30 started in that class ) .   :ricky:

Post from yesterday morning :

Today's rest day didn't really happen. Got up in the morning and I ran to repair the bike, fix the consequences of a hit-and-run Replaced the stop signals, vented the holes in the wing and twisted all the hangers 🙈😜 also fixed the broken lid of the tops Lid. Replaced the rear wheel, changed oils and filters. Tonight departure on liazon 177 km in the dark and road with a terrible movement. Rest day? Nah, haven't heard. Tomorrow Rise A 5 AM AND LIAZON 226, then SU 315 km sleep again at the stadium on concrete floor ev matrasike. 🤦🏻 ♀️
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on January 14, 2019, 08:37:10 am
Rynet , many thanks for all the posts !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 08:37:32 am
Thanks Kamanya
can you also please load the last video of Ross  , I don't know how , thank s :thumleft:


Ross looks like he's far ahead of the snowball... (click on picture to see video)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-LKRdJjg/0/f30cc38c/M/2019011407464892-2ac4abc3-878d-462b-a04c-90f57842ed77-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-LKRdJjg/A)

Thanks for sharing those two videos Kamanya


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:37:49 am
Ouch , Anastasiya had a hard fall in Stage 6 :

No report today. 8 and a half hours on soo plus 310 km of liazonov. The in camp arrived at 20:00 with bivuaka leaving at 5:40 am. The bike is almost 14 hours. Video after falling where missed spryžku while watching in roudbuk. Landed in the wall and repelled the ribs. It hurts, but it doesn't affect speed. Tomorrow rise at 5 am.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 14, 2019, 08:43:48 am
Some general photos :


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SteveD on January 14, 2019, 09:46:50 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 10:05:50 am
Stuarts race so far, I don’t have the ones leading up to and before the first stage. I think I've got them arranged on the day they are taken (SA Time, a bit confusing), some are before the stages, some after.

It’s a great diary of just how tiring and wearying it is. Click on the video to go look at them.


Stage 1 Tues 8
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-d6KJGDW/0/b8b480b9/M/2019011409361329-IMG_3524-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-d6KJGDW/A)

Stage 2 Wed 9
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-NgWwSR9/0/4e75e341/M/IMG_3525-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-NgWwSR9/A)

Stage 3 Thurs 10
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-nfgB3rz/0/4089dc56/M/IMG_3526-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-nfgB3rz/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-J7RPCWc/0/8d19f2f5/M/IMG_3528-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-J7RPCWc/A)

Stage 4 Fri 11
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-57F5hw4/0/c7984e90/M/IMG_3529-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-57F5hw4/A)

Rest day Sat 12
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Gck5Bpd/0/9084b243/M/IMG_3530-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Gck5Bpd/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-xdH9ccL/0/1d1d5419/M/IMG_3534-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-xdH9ccL/A)

Stage 5 Sun 13
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-CmJBK65/0/1481819b/M/IMG_3535-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-CmJBK65/A)

Stage 6 Mon 14
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/0/12a6cf68/M/2019011407152217-398eb023-d537-4965-998c-8895b84a1546-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/A)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 10:28:33 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Someone from Mattighofen maybe  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: evansv on January 14, 2019, 10:44:01 am
I think this is one of the most interesting Dakar's in a while IMHO!

Maybe it's helped by the fact that there are four manufacturers in the top 5!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 14, 2019, 11:12:18 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Someone from Mattighofen maybe  :pot:
No one from Mattighofen will lower themselves to touch those bikes . . . .  :patch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 14, 2019, 11:21:18 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Someone from Mattighofen maybe  :pot:
No one from Mattighofen will lower themselves to touch those bikes . . . .  :patch:

Can you imagine how pissed off you will be if Ricky wins  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 14, 2019, 11:27:07 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Someone from Mattighofen maybe  :pot:
No one from Mattighofen will lower themselves to touch those bikes . . . .  :patch:

Can you imagine how pissed off you will be if Ricky wins  :pot:
Eish if the Husquavarnas win we will be ok as they are just white KTM's.
But if that blerry Merican is to win on that Jap bike eish i will have to leave our little adventure bike group cause i have been giving them lotsa lip again about the 17 wins . . . ;) >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 11:49:42 am
Anybody else see this, on Ricky Brabec FB page?

"One of those days, 4 left. What a shame someone had the balls to mess with my suspension clicks over night in marathon, thanks for the compression mate....#toolbag"

Lots of speculation about whether this is true, and about whether "mate" is implying anything, like nationality for example......EDIT - I see Ricky Brabec himself replied that it was not Toby Price.
Someone from Mattighofen maybe  :pot:
No one from Mattighofen will lower themselves to touch those bikes . . . .  :patch:
Maybe they wanted to see what a real bike looks like  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 12:04:28 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gser on January 14, 2019, 12:16:17 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 14, 2019, 12:37:52 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: cocky on January 14, 2019, 12:46:13 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Oh cry us all a river, the loud mouthed lout had 3 turns taken out the pre-load, not likely to kill him.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 12:50:46 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Oh cry us all a river, the loud mouthed lout had 3 turns taken out the pre-load, not likely to kill him.

Soooo... not a fan of his then?  >:D :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 01:11:23 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Oh cry us all a river, the loud mouthed lout had 3 turns taken out the pre-load, not likely to kill him.

I don’t think he is loud mouthed at all - actually find him pretty realistic and chilled


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 01:25:38 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Oh cry us all a river, the loud mouthed lout had 3 turns taken out the pre-load, not likely to kill him.

I don’t think he is loud mouthed at all - actually find him pretty realistic and chilled


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Don't feed the trolls.

You're being trolled by a master of such things. And he's ugly.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 01:28:54 pm
Fair enough I will back away

My sister is married to an American so maybe I have been immunized !


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 14, 2019, 01:43:53 pm
Ok now that you lot are done swinging your handbags...  >:D

The start for the motorcycles have been delayed by 30 min due to fog apparently.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 01:45:07 pm
Ok now that you lot are done swinging your handbags...  >:D

The start for the motorcycles have been delayed by 30 min due to fog apparently.

I was just about to ask what's going on, thanks for that.

Pity Barreda isn't there, apparently he's a master in the fog. :snorting:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 14, 2019, 01:47:00 pm
Giniel lost more than 4 hours on stage 3 and spent what lots of time helping out a team mate on stage 4.

How come he is only 1.5 hours behind the leader now?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on January 14, 2019, 01:55:04 pm
6 hours and 48 minutes according to this - http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-7/cars/standings/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 14, 2019, 02:03:25 pm
6 hours and 48 minutes according to this - http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-7/cars/standings/

Thanks, was looking at wrong info.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 02:14:32 pm
Kevin Benavides who started 2nd, 3 minutes after Quintanilla, just arrived first at WP1. So if the timing didn't just miss Quintanilla's update then Benavides not only physically passed him on the course but is also at least 3 minutes faster than him on a section he did in less than half hour. That's big enough to make you wonder if Quintanilla hasn't already picked up some trouble or made a significant mistake.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: w@nted on January 14, 2019, 02:19:27 pm
Kevin Benavides who started 2nd, 3 minutes after Quintanilla, just arrived first at WP1. So if the timing didn't just miss Quintanilla's update then Benavides not only physically passed him on the course but is also at least 3 minutes faster than him on a section he did in less than half hour. That's big enough to make you wonder if Quintanilla hasn't already picked up some trouble or made a significant mistake.

Quintanilla's tracker has been giving issues since day 1. Hopefully this is the case again today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 02:20:59 pm
Fair enough I will back away

My sister is married to an American so maybe I have been immunized Patriotised!


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There ya go.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: edgy on January 14, 2019, 02:22:31 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 02:23:12 pm
An American winning on a Japanese bike could not be better for the world of Rally Raid.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 02:34:24 pm
Fair enough I will back away

My sister is married to an American so maybe I have been immunized Patriotised!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 02:47:45 pm
Kevin Benavides who started 2nd, 3 minutes after Quintanilla, just arrived first at WP1. So if the timing didn't just miss Quintanilla's update then Benavides not only physically passed him on the course but is also at least 3 minutes faster than him on a section he did in less than half hour. That's big enough to make you wonder if Quintanilla hasn't already picked up some trouble or made a significant mistake.

Quintanilla's tracker has been giving issues since day 1. Hopefully this is the case again today.

They managed to get a time in for him now. He's only 33 seconds off the leading pace, in 5th fastest so far. So he is still physically ahead of everyone today and cutting the trail.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 02:59:04 pm
I was so excited with Ross' pace over the last few waypoints yesterday and looking forward to seeing if he might keep that up again today... and he has. 12th fastest to WP1 2m56 off that of Ricky Brabec.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: cocky on January 14, 2019, 03:04:03 pm
Fiddling with Ricky’s suspension is not cool
It is beyond not cool , this is serious , could lead to his death out in the desert !!!
Oh cry us all a river, the loud mouthed lout had 3 turns taken out the pre-load, not likely to kill him.

I don’t think he is loud mouthed at all - actually find him pretty realistic and chilled


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 14, 2019, 03:04:47 pm
That Anastasia is one tough woman.  :love10:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 14, 2019, 03:19:05 pm
Race neutralised at CP1
The fog is making the course unacceptably dangerous right now. The organisers have therefore decided to neutralise the motorbike/quad race for 35 minutes at CP1, as well as pushing the start of the car special 30 minutes back. - dakar tracking site
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 14, 2019, 03:51:41 pm
Looks like Sammy is making his intentions very clear today... on da gas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 14, 2019, 05:00:10 pm
Looks like Sammy is making his intentions very clear today... on da gas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yeah Sammual go now  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Snafu on January 14, 2019, 05:13:17 pm
Brabec tracking gone?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 05:22:53 pm
So now a white KTM is going to win  :bueller:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 14, 2019, 05:23:18 pm
Will Kenny and Ross have different strategies at this point of the Dakar - Kenny just maintaining his own pace to get to the end and Ross going as fast as possible to impress factory teams and hope for a sponsored ride next year?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 14, 2019, 05:29:57 pm
So now a white KTM is going to win  :bueller:

 :thumleft: I am so glad u are not being sidetracked by the sukkeling to ride mist sideshow and are focussing on the real show.
Yes it is either going to be a orange or a white KTM  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2019, 05:39:22 pm
I think this is one of the most interesting Dakar's in a while IMHO!

Maybe it's helped by the fact that there are four manufacturers in the top 5!

Whats unique about that? Im pretty sure that there were at least three manufacturers intop 5 at some stage at every dakar since coma and cdp are gone. Sadly it looks like it is going to be ktm or husku on top again. I do hope that AVB will get it as he deserved win last year and is not on ktm/husky, but would not bet too much money on it.

Japanese seems just pathetic in their dakar approach. How long it is going to take honda to sort out their main problem - team managament? And when is yamaha going to start to treat this seriously, with proper budget and support? Not mentioning suzuki and kawasaki as they just dont give a shit.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 05:51:43 pm
I hate to bash Barreda again but I couldn’t help thinking of him when I watched this poor bugger

 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QHlIhzYFkg&list=PLSmCFH46WIXaejXCsUZTHXZ2tNCQVhhzG&t=0s&index=8 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5QHlIhzYFkg&list=PLSmCFH46WIXaejXCsUZTHXZ2tNCQVhhzG&t=0s&index=8)

Hope the link works
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 14, 2019, 06:17:15 pm
Some of the big guns made an error. But Sam seems to be headingbstrong for stage win with L Benavides 2nd and Brabec 3rd Van Beveren 4th so far at WP5
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 07:09:25 pm
I think this is one of the most interesting Dakar's in a while IMHO!

Maybe it's helped by the fact that there are four manufacturers in the top 5!

Whats unique about that? Im pretty sure that there were at least three manufacturers intop 5 at some stage at every dakar since coma and cdp are gone. Sadly it looks like it is going to be ktm or husku on top again. I do hope that AVB will get it as he deserved win last year and is not on ktm/husky, but would not bet too much money on it.

Japanese seems just pathetic in their dakar approach. How long it is going to take honda to sort out their main problem - team managament? And when is yamaha going to start to treat this seriously, with proper budget and support? Not mentioning suzuki and kawasaki as they just dont give a shit.
Suzuki and Kawa are so behind the offroad scene they will most likely enter a DRZ400 and a Versys if they ever had to do Dakar
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 14, 2019, 07:12:21 pm
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 07:43:48 pm
Stage 6's brutal dunes.

Check from about 7 mins. I was keeping an eye on them yesterday. They lost 30 minutes in there. Really great video


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2019, 07:48:33 pm
Here's an extended podcast with Ricky and Casey Currie just a week before they were due to fly out for this Dakar. What's quite amazing is the level of naivete about the Dakar on Curries part but clearly a massive keenness to learn and obviously gifted as a driver. (you should see his schedule for the upcoming year!)

Ricky is clearly a really sold guy. Quite humble too.



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 14, 2019, 07:58:23 pm
Ross is top Rookie now... I have a feeling he may end in the top 10.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 14, 2019, 08:02:52 pm
Still very close at the front , and as we have already seen , anything can happen

Standings after Stage 7 (Bike class, Top 10)
Pos.   Rider   Bike   Time/Gap
1   Ricky Brabec                Honda      24h48m02s
2   Toby Price                KTM              6m55s
3   Adrien Van Beveren     Yamaha      7m47s
4   Sam Sunderland        KTM              9m58s
5   Pablo Quintanilla        Husqvarna      9m59s
6   Kevin Benavides        Honda     16m15s
7   Matthias Walkner        KTM             16m16s
8   Stefan Svitko                KTM             37m09s
9   Xavier De Soultrait        Yamaha     39m08s
10   Andrew Short                Husqvarna     39m17s
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 08:11:36 pm
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 14, 2019, 08:15:57 pm
Ross is top Rookie now... I have a feeling he may end in the top 10.
Would be great but he would need to make up 2 hours on the top 10 at least. Brilliant performance for his first Dakar, just imagine what he can achieve next year !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 14, 2019, 08:22:31 pm
The Kalahari Ferrari having a jol..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 14, 2019, 08:22:50 pm
Ross is top Rookie now... I have a feeling he may end in the top 10.
Would be great but he would need to make up 2 hours on the top 10 at least. Brilliant performance for his first Dakar, just imagine what he can achieve next year !

Even better would be to see what he could do with factory support
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 14, 2019, 09:14:31 pm
Here's an extended podcast with Ricky and Casey Currie just a week before they were due to fly out for this Dakar. What's quite amazing is the level of naivete about the Dakar on Curries part but clearly a massive keenness to learn and obviously gifted as a driver. (you should see his schedule for the upcoming year!)

Ricky is clearly a really sold guy. Quite humble too.



Shot I enjoyed that. I don’t often stumble across Brabec content because as he alluded, he’s not as keen on social media as some others
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2019, 09:53:06 pm
Stuarts race so far, I don’t have the ones leading up to and before the first stage. I think I've got them arranged on the day they are taken (SA Time, a bit confusing), some are before the stages, some after.

It’s a great diary of just how tiring and wearying it is. Click on the video to go look at them.


Stage 1 Tues 8
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-d6KJGDW/0/b8b480b9/M/2019011409361329-IMG_3524-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-d6KJGDW/A)

Stage 2 Wed 9
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-NgWwSR9/0/4e75e341/M/IMG_3525-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-NgWwSR9/A)

Stage 3 Thurs 10
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-nfgB3rz/0/4089dc56/M/IMG_3526-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-nfgB3rz/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-J7RPCWc/0/8d19f2f5/M/IMG_3528-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-J7RPCWc/A)

Stage 4 Fri 11
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-57F5hw4/0/c7984e90/M/IMG_3529-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-57F5hw4/A)

Rest day Sat 12
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Gck5Bpd/0/9084b243/M/IMG_3530-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-Gck5Bpd/A)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-xdH9ccL/0/1d1d5419/M/IMG_3534-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-xdH9ccL/A)

Stage 5 Sun 13
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-CmJBK65/0/1481819b/M/IMG_3535-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-CmJBK65/A)

Stage 6 Mon 14
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/0/12a6cf68/M/2019011407152217-398eb023-d537-4965-998c-8895b84a1546-M.jpg) (https://kamanya.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/19/Okkies-Dakar/i-7XZDkS3/A)

This is awesome, thanks Kamanya for sharing
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 14, 2019, 09:59:50 pm
Ross is top Rookie now... I have a feeling he may end in the top 10.
Would be great but he would need to make up 2 hours on the top 10 at least. Brilliant performance for his first Dakar, just imagine what he can achieve next year !

Nothing short of brilliant, keep it tidy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 14, 2019, 10:09:23 pm
We have forgotten to mention (or I have missed ) that an excellent bike rider is in the mix on the sxs class - chaleco Lopez !

He was one of the hard buggers


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2019, 10:19:35 pm
I think this is one of the most interesting Dakar's in a while IMHO!

Maybe it's helped by the fact that there are four manufacturers in the top 5!

Whats unique about that? Im pretty sure that there were at least three manufacturers intop 5 at some stage at every dakar since coma and cdp are gone. Sadly it looks like it is going to be ktm or husku on top again. I do hope that AVB will get it as he deserved win last year and is not on ktm/husky, but would not bet too much money on it.

Japanese seems just pathetic in their dakar approach. How long it is going to take honda to sort out their main problem - team managament? And when is yamaha going to start to treat this seriously, with proper budget and support? Not mentioning suzuki and kawasaki as they just dont give a shit.
Suzuki and Kawa are so behind the offroad scene they will most likely enter a DRZ400 and a Versys if they ever had to do Dakar

Suzuki's not that interested in off road but Kawa has got some interest but it seems roadracing is the big interest for the Japs- just Honda- "tightass couchpotato" and Yamaha "slowcoach" thats shows fair interest in off road. Money is obviously a factor- a few years back in the DSTV days there was some program on the discovery channel on the Kawasaki and the Honda factory production lines and the difference was chalk and cheese
To me it also feels like a more exciting Dakar -just feels like there chance for something else on the podium
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2019, 10:22:59 pm
We were super proud of Willem and Donny last year but it seems were now entering Superman status with Ross and Kenny -challenging into top 20 top 10 -Stuart being my the safe bet- cool cat luke
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2019, 10:50:30 pm
I cannot follow this year properly so im out of touch with this edition, but i believe the ‘more exciting’ feel comes from return to proper navigation. It was the case  already lest year, when Coma shown youngsters what old school dakar was about (and many of them - ghe wrc generation - whinged like lcrazy). As a result there was proper drama all the way to the end, with Walkner stealing it only in the second last stage if i remember correctly after everybody at sharp end got lost badly, and AVB had unfortunate fall.

That is imo what makes it exciting till the end. In wrc era usuallu leaders were so ahead after week one tgat one could see sharp decline of interest/trafic in firehose.

Btw, i know Coma parted ways with ASO last year, but did he still do this years route or not?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2019, 11:04:15 pm
Still very close at the front , and as we have already seen , anything can happen

Standings after Stage 7 (Bike class, Top 10)
Pos.   Rider   Bike   Time/Gap
1   Ricky Brabec                Honda      24h48m02s
2   Toby Price                KTM              6m55s
3   Adrien Van Beveren     Yamaha      7m47s
4   Sam Sunderland        KTM              9m58s
5   Pablo Quintanilla        Husqvarna      9m59s
6   Kevin Benavides        Honda     16m15s
7   Matthias Walkner        KTM             16m16s
8   Stefan Svitko                KTM             37m09s
9   Xavier De Soultrait        Yamaha     39m08s
10   Andrew Short                Husqvarna     39m17s

Where is this from? My trackingdakar shows Brabec first, followed by AVB about 7:45 behind and tge TP in third about 8:30 minutes behind Brabec. Maybe your results are before penalties as i see TP got minute and half in those
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 14, 2019, 11:17:13 pm

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2019, 11:26:56 pm
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

So lets see if Brabec can do better and play inteligently. Tomorrow he starts 3 minutes before AVB so he may concede those if tgere is no drama and tgen get them back next stage just catching avb up and tagging him. The bigger problem for him might be TP as he starts 15 minutes behind so if he goes full throttle and catches up with Brabec, then he would be in over 6 minutes lead and may play tge safe 3 minutes trading game till the end and still come on top. But then of course there is his injury and lets see how navigation may throw spanners in the works.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2019, 06:28:58 am


Cool video of Stuart


Is Giniel back in 6th place from being out of the race a few days ago...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 06:42:21 am


Cool video of Stuart


Is Giniel back in 6th place from being out of the race a few days ago...

Agreed , this is so cool.  :drif: I have been watching Stu's daily videos, but to see it on main Dakar is amazing , This is gold , really enduring and entertaining. Stuart can be so proud of this and hope he will be watching this for years to come. He certainly earned it . What a boy'tjie :3some:

I'm so proud of Ross and Kenny too  , doing unbelievably well , the stuff of fairy tales, in this most difficult Dakar , sounds like the highest attrition rate since 2007  ? And yesterday being such an incredibly tough day , they just eat some cement and gun it. A M A Z I N G. Makes us proud to live here at the tip of Afria.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 06:53:33 am
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

I agree that JBB should be more cautious but remember last year Matthias won the Dakar because his navigation was 100 %. In stage 10 the first four riders, Benavides, Toby Price, Joan Barreda and Antoine Meo went left and Matthias stopped and decided to go right ( or vice versa) and because of it they got lost and lost valuable time and Matthias went on to win the entire race ( esp as Beveren had that bad fall ) . Walkner is very cool-headed and precise . The fact that Walkner followed Barreda down the rabbit hole says to me that it was an easy navigation error to make.


I admire Matthias and really holding thumbs for him this year for podium ,as long as he lets Brabec win .  :imaposer:  I like Toby and Sam but I would really like an American to win Dakar for a change and Ricky really deserves it.  :ricky:


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:00:06 am
Thing is one also have to have stage wins to win the Dakar , it is a fine line.
I don't think you can win a Dakar if you have no stage wins.

From a previous post


Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:01:09 am
Seems yesterday was chaos and extremely testing

FROM Camelia Liparoti


A traffic jam in the canyon
January 14 th 2019 - 08:00 [GMT -5]

An angry Camelia Liparoti rolled across the finish line of stage 6. Not just because she broke one of her Yamaha YZR1000 R's steering rods in the first part of the special. Camelia is angry because she had to hang around at the entrance to a canyon for almost two hours just because another competitor had the truly amazing idea to turn his car upside down there. "This canyon was already problematic last year", says the Italian driver. "It's very narrow and, when someone messes up, there's no room left for others to go through. Let's be honest, this wasn't rocket science. I just can't understand how he ended up like this." In the end, Camelia finished the stage after nightfall. Thankfully, she's no longer racing alone since the swapper her quad for a four-wheel vehicle for her eleventh Dakar. Camelia Liparoti is sharing her S×S with Nani Roma's wife, Rosa Romero Font. Their all-female crew has taught more than one boy a lesson. "It's a nice experience", she says adamantly. "It's great to share the race with someone. I'm learning lots of new things with my new vehicle. It's less physically demanding and easier to drive than a quad. I'm having a blast on the dunes. This morning, before we had a mechanical, we'd overtaken about thirty cars. It's just that we're driving a stock vehicle, so the mechanics are not as reliable as with a prototype." Standing in 38th place overall with four stages to go, the two women have, have still got some fight in them. "Everyone is struggling this year", insists Camelia. "The race isn't over yet."
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:03:32 am
Camelia

Stuck for 1:30h in a narrow canyon behind a car that flipped on the side !
😫😫😫
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:10:47 am
Correction , Anastasiya ( 56th overall )  is not the last female rider , Mirjam Pol (62 nd ) and Gabriala Novotna ( 88th )  is still going but hectic to see the hardship :
From Media :
Fatigue is starting to pile up
January 14 th 2019 - 06:56 [GMT -5]

The last female rider left in the rally, Anastasia Nifontova, managed to finish stage 6 before nightfall. It was another success for the Husqvarna rider, who is racing in her second Dakar in the Original by Motul category. The Russian's fatigue remains intact despite the mounting fatigue. "The organisers did their best to kill me, but I lived to fight another day!", she says in a burst of laughter. Jokes apart, Anastasia admits the stage from Arequipa to San Juan de Marcona pushed her to the limit."First, we had twenty kilometres on dunes where the sand had been turned over. We needed to stay the course to find our way, but the terrain made it really difficult. I also came a cropper and was left gasping for breath. My chest hit the dashboard hard, I thought this was it for me, but I managed to recover after ten minutes." The solid Russian who has been dreaming of the Dakar since she was a little girl got back under way with the help of another competitor. "We weren't riding with the cars today, so it was harder to see the tracks in the sand", she adds. "As a rule of thumb, if a car can go through, a motorbike even more so. Today, the terrain was harder to read. Near the end, I decided not to go through a waypoint at the top of a dune. I didn't want to risk having to finish the special in the dark. It's the sixth day of racing and fatigue is starting to pile up. Nights are short and the stages are exhausting. But we've only got four stages to go, Lima is just around the corner." One thing is for sure: Anastasia's two daughters will again be mighty proud of their extraordinary mother.


And from her own posting:
Another finish to the piggy bank. 7 stages behind, but ahead of the hardest... it another 3. On Dakar doesn't get any easier. Every day only harder. Today was hard, but more from the fact that there is no more strength left. Places fell literally in the wrong place 🤦🏻 ♀️ came back to bivouac kind of early, dark, but needed to change wheels, oil, filters, lead star, check wheel bearings and tp.. finished all service just to start Evening Briefing. Run for dinner and get some sleep. Tomorrow start at 4 am. #Toyotateamrussia #Redbull _ RUS
"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:12:14 am
Storm & Falls: The Dakar face of Matthias Walkner
© MATTHIAS WALKNER
Current Dakar standings : Matthias Walkner is in the overall standings after the 7th stage in 7th place - 16 minutes and 16 seconds behind the leader Ricky Brabec.
January 13: A day that has worked out very well
Griesse you! That was a long, tough day ... I left at 4:27. The first 270 kilometers connecting section, which has been relatively tedious. The first one and a half hours it was still dark and you have to concentrate pretty much because we do not necessarily have the best LED light on the bike.
The start was in the dunes ... difficult dunes, relatively soft and sometimes really pointed down in the compression. I lost a lot of time there. I've been trying to push, but the more technical it gets, the harder I am to get off my injured foot.
After 80 kilometers, we drove on fast slopes, I guess with a 100er-Schnitt, and then I realize that my bike works better and I feel a bit better when the pace is higher. I always felt Kevin Benavides and Ricky Brabec on my neck, but I did not want them to overtake me and pushed me nuts. It was cool that they did not get really close ... 💪
At kilometer 300, I lost a bit of the overview because I had no reference - I did not see anyone in front of me, I saw no one behind me ... and I definitely did not want to win the stage by a minute or two. Because then I have to open the track the next day and lose a quarter of an hour ... It's just so easy in the dunes, if you have no reference at all.
What else is worth mentioning today? The wind! My lips are sandblasted, my neck hurts - but otherwise it was really easy to drive with some really horny horns.
Tomorrow I start third. Although this is not the best situation, but at least I have one or two tracks in front of me. In any case, the seventh stage will be pretty important. The day is well prepared. That's why I'm going to eat something good and I'll go crazy.
Thanks for the thumb. Keep it up!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:17:02 am
Matthias Walkner

Welcome Home!!! An extremely busy day was today! I had a very good pace, and I had a good I was second or third to the refuelling. We went to another section, a hard narrow runway in the riverbed. I lost a lot of time here. I could almost catch up with quintanilla and benavides at miles 200 The two of them were in the process, and I had to open the runway by 40-50 miles until they caught me up later. In the sand, the others get back to you extremely quickly. So I left a lot of time again. We were in a group with price, Benavides, van Beveren and brabec. All together we couldn't find a waypoint and have been looking for 10 minutes. Van Beveren and I found him first and I went back to the front. The five minutes that I could win by it, of course, made the group catch up to the end. At the end it was extremely fast and casual to drive, it was really fun. Until I missed a crossroads. I was fourth again. Then another fall at the end. Benavides slowed down in front of me at a "DANGER 2" Note, more than expected. In order not to get into him, I had to slow down so much that the motorcycle was so aufgeschaukelt before compression that I couldn't stabilize it and put a proper crash. My body is already getting pretty hurt from all the falls. You can't imagine what conditions we're going on here. Unfortunately, everything is very dependent on the starting position. Although the initial situation is certainly not optimal, it is still inside. I give my best every day!! 👊
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:21:19 am
http://news.mediage.es/f/rnl.aspx/?ngj=vp4.ajf=v_ej8=vx2ty-a8.-=.0ac&x=pp&r3a:0090:66l_a0e=xxvxNCLM

January 14, 2019 | Dakar Rally 2019 | Stage 7: San Juan de Marcona - San Juan de Marcona | Link: 64 km - Special: 323 km
"Laia Sanz overcomes a seventh stage not conducive
He finished 22nd in the stage, but remains at the top 15, despite recognizing that it was his worst day due to the conditions of the course and the accumulated fatigue.

" I did not like the special because 80% was repeated from other days and, in some parts, we have managed to pass up to three times. Between that this land does not adapt to my characteristics and that I was tired, today it has not gone very well ".


      
    
First complicated day for Laia Sanz. The Soficat Xerox driver has passed the seventh stage of the Dakar Rally, one of the feared in this rally, but it has not been an easy task due to the deteriorating conditions of the terrain. After almost four and a half hours on the back of his KTM 450 Rally to cover the 323 kilometers of the special, he managed to get back to San Juan de Marcona, where he started and finished the day.

Laia Sanz finished 22nd, half an hour behind the winner of the day on motorcycles, her partner in the KTM Rally Factory Team Sam Sunderland. The one from Corbera de Llobregat remains in 16th place in the general standings at the top 15, although she has given a few minutes on a day that has not been conducive for her, as she acknowledges: "Today the stage has not gone very well. It has been the worst day. I felt tired and it cost me a bit . "

The Soficat Xerox has complained about the state of the route: " I did not like the special because 80% was repeated from other days and, in some parts, we have managed to pass up to three times. The terrain was very broken after all the bikes, cars and trucks had passed several times. There was a lot of fesh-fesh and ruts . "

" Between that I do not like this terrain, that does not adapt to my characteristics, and that I was tired, today it has not turned out very well. Tomorrow everything indicates that it will be another ugly day because the first cars, trucks and motorcycles come out mixed, something that for motorcycles will be very dangerous, "he laments.

In spite of everything, Laia can feel satisfied to continue in a better situated race than she could have imagined, three days before the conclusion of the rally. This Tuesday will be played the eighth stage between San Juan de Marcona and Pisco, with a total of 575 kilometers, of which 360 will correspond to the special timed.


Classification stage 7:
1. Sam Sunderland (KTM) 03h 51'41 "
2. José Ignacio Cornejo (Honda) + 01'51"
3. Ricky Brabec (Honda) + 06'30 "
4. Adrien Van Beveren (Yamaha) + 09'40 "     
5. Luciano Benavides (KTM) + 11'19"
...
22. Laia Sanz (KTM) + 30'44 "

Overall classification:
1. Ricky Brabec (Honda) 24h 48'02"
2. Adrien Van Beveren (Yamaha) + 07'47 "
3. Toby Price (KTM) + 08'17"
4. Sam Sunderland (KTM) + 09'59 "
5. Pablo Quintanilla (Husqvarna) 09'59"
...
16. Laia Sanz (KTM) + 02h 29'33 "
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:26:53 am
Our Kenny Gilbert (26th Overall )

ttp://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/DAKAR_A_BLAST_FOR_KENNY.art12716?fbclid=IwAR0tla96yvsW-nvpCbahDOmdzTa_nSDz1A3_cjPS2rQWoHtRWz3HCAdcnSo

DAKAR A BLAST FOR KENNY
by Motorsport Media - 14 Jan 2019 21:30:00
What   Dakar 2019 Day 7 Report
Where   San Juan de Marcona, Peru
When   Monday 14 January 2019
Community   International

Wind, dust but Gilbert going strong

South African Dakar motorcycle rookie hero Kenny Gilbert enjoyed a positive seventh stage in spite of toughest conditions — as usual — on Monday. The stage comprised a 323km jaunt across the dunes around San Juan de Marcona already carved up from racing last week and started half an hour late to allow the fog to lift, but none of that proved a problem to the intrepid Gilbert.

“That’s stage seven done and dusted,” Kenny confirmed. ”It was a really dusty and windy day — we did 320km of a mixture of sand, dunes, rocky sections and fesh fesh and a lot of it was already used in stage 3 so it was all beat up from the cars and trucks last week so it was a very rough day. “Other than that I had a good ride — just kept it smooth and got all the waypoints, so all good.

“I am really enjoying it out there - it’s really beautiful, there’s lots and lots of sand that made it very demanding today, but other than that a good day in the saddle. ”Tuesday’s eighth of ten Dakar 2019 stages runs 360km up Peru’s desert coast from San Jan de Marcona to Pisco.

ENDS
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:31:51 am
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Dakar 2019, Stage 7: Sunderland fastest, Brabec leads again
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Sam Sunderland bounced back from a difficult Sunday to top Stage 7 of the Dakar Rally and take second overall behind Ricky Brabec, who retook the bikes class lead.
KTM rider Sunderland struggled with his rear brake in Stage 6 and was 23 minutes off the pace, but the 2017 champion dominated proceedings in the subsequent 331 timed kilometres of Monday's route, which both started and ended at San Juan de Marcona.


Honda man Brabec led in the early stages of the test - which was delayed and then suspended due to fog - but Sunderland took over at the third of six waypoints.

Chilean rider Jose Ignacio Cornejo (Honda) managed to stay close to Sunderland, finishing only 1m51s behind, but none of the title contenders were able to keep up with the Briton.


Brabec was best of the rest in third and the American reclaimed the lead from Pablo Quintanilla, the Husqvarna rider struggling throughout the day.

Yamaha's Adrien van Beveren was the last rider less than 10 minutes off the pace, followed by Luciano Benavides (KTM), Andrew Short (Husqvarna), Xavier de Soultrait (Yamaha) and Toby Price (KTM).

Price and Matthias Walkner were more or less on par with Sunderland until WP4 but then lost a big chunk of time, the duo finishing 12 and 16 behind their pace-setting teammate.

Kevin Benavides and Quintanilla were the biggest losers of the day as they surrendered 19 and 21 minutes respectively, dropping to fifth and sixth overall.

Price stepped up as Brabec's main rival with a gap of 6m55s, the Australian now closely followed by van Beveren.

Sunderland moved up to fourth while Walkner is only seventh, a single second behind Benavides.

Cavigliasso continues winning streak
Nicolas Cavigliasso took his fourth consecutive and sixth overall stage win in the quad class, and now leads by 1h15m36s.

Cavigliasso was battling for the lead with Alexandre Giroud in the first half of the stage before he pulled away, and won by 4m10s.

Giroud took second, beating the Argentinian trio of Marcos Andujar, Gustavo Gallego and Jeremias Gonzalez.

But the Frenchman, fourth overall, was only four minutes faster than them, unable to significantly change his nearly two-hour deficit to third place.

Gonzalez and Gallego continue to hold second and third overall, separated by 23 minutes.

Standings after Stage 7 (Bike class, Top 10):
Pos.   Rider   Bike   Time/Gap
1   Ricky Brabec   Honda   24h48m02s
2   Toby Price   KTM   6m55s
3   Adrien Van Beveren   Yamaha   7m47s
4   Sam Sunderland   KTM   9m58s
5   Pablo Quintanilla   Husqvarna   9m59s
6   Kevin Benavides   Honda   16m15s
7   Matthias Walkner   KTM   16m16s
8   Stefan Svitko   KTM   37m09s
9   Xavier De Soultrait   Yamaha   39m08s
10   Andrew Short   Husqvarna   39m17s
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:35:18 am
Pablo Quintanillla

"Seventh stage finished! And for me, until today, one of the most difficult specials in terms of navigation. More than 100 kilometers walking off track and on dunes. It's always complicated to go on the road, but I knew I was going to waste time today and the other pilots were going to Tomorrow the situation is reversed, since I have the possibility to go back and I go with everything to recover my place in the general 🤘🏼🚀❤️🇨🇱"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:38:21 am
Toby Price

Toby Price Racing
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Stage 7 - 8th 🏁
Current Overall Position - 3rd, +8:28 from 1st 🏆
The day has gone well, it ended up with a lot of us riding in a group today. We did get lost at one point and lose a few minutes but all-in-all things are going ok. Obviously, my wrist is still giving me some pain, but we’re past the point of no return now – there’s no stopping. I’m still sitting in third overall with just a few stages left so I’ll continue taking each day as it comes and keep on fighting. — feeling determined.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:41:28 am
Toby Price Racing
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[UPDATE] ⚠️
We're currently leading the race between Laia Sanz and I! I'm currently 3rd outright, Laia 16th outright. This little beauty is still safe! — feeling nervous.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:43:57 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:51:11 am
Ok last ones
1. Ricky Brabec )  (1st )

2. Daniel Nosiglia Jager ( 14th )


3. Beautiful shot of a Non- Bike
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 07:58:13 am
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

I agree that JBB should be more cautious but remember last year Matthias won the Dakar because his navigation was 100 %. In stage 10 the first four riders, Benavides, Toby Price, Joan Barreda and Antoine Meo went left and Matthias stopped and decided to go right ( or vice versa) and because of it they got lost and lost valuable time and Matthias went on to win the entire race ( esp as Beveren had that bad fall ) . Walkner is very cool-headed and precise . The fact that Walkner followed Barreda down the rabbit hole says to me that it was an easy navigation error to make.


I admire Matthias and really holding thumbs for him this year for podium ,as long as he lets Brabec win .  :imaposer:  I like Toby and Sam but I would really like an American to win Dakar for a change and Ricky really deserves it.  :ricky:

Interesting how the same set of events can have two very different interpretations. The way i remember stage 10 last year is tgat it was AVB who first realized that front group took wrong turn and he was the first to follow the right track. At that point he was tge clear winner of dakar until that unfortunate fall in the river few km before ass. Walkner who was behind him eiither saw him or had two sets of tracks to decide between. Kudos to him for making right decision, but imo it was more luck than great navigation. And tgat s how he won - by luck mostly.

Funnily i always found his navigation shoddy and him too whingy to like. To me he is - or i should rather say was as he might changed - tge typical representative of wrc riders - very fast but not that clever. But lets see how he does this year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 08:03:09 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 08:09:08 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...

I’m also amazed that it seems to have so little capacity to carry fuel ??


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 08:10:09 am
Thing is one also have to have stage wins to win the Dakar , it is a fine line.
I don't think you can win a Dakar if you have no stage wins.

From a previous post


Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14

Come on Rynet, you know this argument doesnt hold water at all. First of all i remember distinctly one year when cdp won dakar and he won either none or only one stage (sorry on the phone so cannot look it up). It was a strategic masterpiece where he let all tge others kick themselves out and he strolled in leisuredly to collect tge title.

Also i think Svitko never won a stage, and yet he has second and fourth overal finish to his name. Barredas best is fifth, and Svitko is privateer.

But all this is beside the point. By tge time bb caught with walkner he already had srage win or two under his belt and was probably leading tge stage anywayvas he just gained 6 minutes on walkner. Yes somebody faster might have come ftomnbehind and make up even more, but what was the chance of bb opening and running away from tgem anyway?

To me this was tge mosr elementary rookie mistake tyat cannot be tolerated in someone with his experience and support
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 08:18:44 am
Thing is one also have to have stage wins to win the Dakar , it is a fine line.
I don't think you can win a Dakar if you have no stage wins.

From a previous post


Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14

Come on Rynet, you know this argument doesnt hold water at all. First of all i remember distinctly one year when cdp won dakar and he win either none or only one stage (sorry on the phone so cannot look it up). It was a strategic masterpiece where he let all tge others kick themselves out and he strolled in leisuredly to collect tge title.

Also i think Svitko never won a stage, and yet he has second and fourth overal finish to his name. Barredas best is fifth, and Svitko is privateer.

But all this is beside the point. By tge time bb caught with walkner he already had srage win or two under his belt and was probably leading tge stage anywayvas he just gained 6 minutes on walkner. Yes somebody faster might have come ftomnbehind and make up even more, but what was the chance of bb opening and running away from tgem anyway?

To me this was tge mosr elementary rookie mistake tyat cannot be tolerated in someone with his experience and support

Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 08:22:54 am
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

I agree that JBB should be more cautious but remember last year Matthias won the Dakar because his navigation was 100 %. In stage 10 the first four riders, Benavides, Toby Price, Joan Barreda and Antoine Meo went left and Matthias stopped and decided to go right ( or vice versa) and because of it they got lost and lost valuable time and Matthias went on to win the entire race ( esp as Beveren had that bad fall ) . Walkner is very cool-headed and precise . The fact that Walkner followed Barreda down the rabbit hole says to me that it was an easy navigation error to make.


I admire Matthias and really holding thumbs for him this year for podium ,as long as he lets Brabec win .  :imaposer:  I like Toby and Sam but I would really like an American to win Dakar for a change and Ricky really deserves it.  :ricky:

Interesting how the same set of events can have two very different interpretations. The way i remember stage 10 last year is tgat it was AVB who first realized that front group took wrong turn and he was the first to follow the right track. At that point he was tge clear winner of dakar until that unfortunate fall in the river few km before ass. Walkner who was behind him eiither saw him or had two sets of tracks to decide between. Kudos to him for making right decision, but imo it was more luck than great navigation. And tgat s how he won - by luck mostly.

Funnily i always found his navigation shoddy and him too whingy to like. To me he is - or i should rather say was as he might changed - tge typical representative of wrc riders - very fast but not that clever. But lets see how he does this year.

Yes that is right . Van Bev went the other way and Matthias had to sit and decide which way to go. I disagree it was luck. I think Matthias stayed cool enough and he was clever enough to make the right choice. 

Anyway interesting that you say when Van Bev falls it is " unfortunate" and if Walkner wins the Dakar it is " by luck" and that he is " not that clever".   ;)


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 08:24:20 am


Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
  :

But who would people moan about all the time if Barreda did not do Dakar  :imaposer:

Is there anyone you do like RR ?  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 15, 2019, 08:25:41 am


Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
  :

But who would people moan about all the time if Barreda did not do Dakar  :imaposer:

Is there anyone you do like RR ?  ;)

And what will they say when he does win Dakar ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 08:27:52 am


Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
  :

But who would people moan about all the time if Barreda did not do Dakar  :imaposer:

Is there anyone you do like RR ?  ;)

And what will they say when he does win Dakar ?

Yes  :thumleft: , Exactly . I think this is not the last we have seen of Barreda .  :pot: :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 15, 2019, 08:27:59 am
Has TP taken any tumbles, it seems like everyone falls off somewhere in the dunes. It really looks like he is in a lot of pain. A real endurance rider that guy!!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 08:29:14 am
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

I agree that JBB should be more cautious but remember last year Matthias won the Dakar because his navigation was 100 %. In stage 10 the first four riders, Benavides, Toby Price, Joan Barreda and Antoine Meo went left and Matthias stopped and decided to go right ( or vice versa) and because of it they got lost and lost valuable time and Matthias went on to win the entire race ( esp as Beveren had that bad fall ) . Walkner is very cool-headed and precise . The fact that Walkner followed Barreda down the rabbit hole says to me that it was an easy navigation error to make.


I admire Matthias and really holding thumbs for him this year for podium ,as long as he lets Brabec win .  :imaposer:  I like Toby and Sam but I would really like an American to win Dakar for a change and Ricky really deserves it.  :ricky:

Interesting how the same set of events can have two very different interpretations. The way i remember stage 10 last year is tgat it was AVB who first realized that front group took wrong turn and he was the first to follow the right track. At that point he was tge clear winner of dakar until that unfortunate fall in the river few km before ass. Walkner who was behind him eiither saw him or had two sets of tracks to decide between. Kudos to him for making right decision, but imo it was more luck than great navigation. And tgat s how he won - by luck mostly.

Funnily i always found his navigation shoddy and him too whingy to like. To me he is - or i should rather say was as he might changed - tge typical representative of wrc riders - very fast but not that clever. But lets see how he does this year.

Yes that is right . Van Bev went the other way and Matthias had to sit and decide which way to go. I disagree it was luck. I think Matthias stayed cool enough and he was clever enough to make the right choice. 

Anyway interesting that you say when Van Bev falls it is " unfortunate" and if Walkner wins the Dakar it is " by luck" and that he is " not that clever".   ;)

He has made many navigational mistakes before. Whenever he opens he is being swalliwed by pursuers very quickly. And he bitched and moaned like spoiled brat last year shen navigatiin became real requirement again. I believe should it not be for avb tracks, he would just follow the lost leaders, hence tge luck. He definitely did not deserve to win, avb did. And i for one hope AVB gets it this year.  But im fine with Brahec as well
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 08:35:10 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...

Maybe that is the point. He is having an adventure without being a KTM or other big brand :biggrin:

I think he rode all 6 his Dakar's on Kawasaki as I remember seeing him most years  :thumleft:

https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/44

5 out of his 6 Dakar's finished , that is higher than most ( 83,3 %)

Patricio Cabrera ( currently 46th overall )

2018: Moto / 38º
2017: Moto / 33º
2016: Moto / Abandono in stage 8.
2015 : Moto / 33º
2014: Moto / 48º
2013: Moto / 84 °

WHAT IS LIVED IN THE DAKAR DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE"
Patricio Cabrera is a prominent Chilean motorcyclist who has participated in six editions of the competition, completing all but the 2016. The best result was ranked 33 in 2015 and 2017. In 2018 he had to run the last stages affected by a fracture in the forearm, but overcame and managed to reach the final ramp. Disciple of Francisco "Chaleco" López, the pilot born in Coyahaique will once again represent Kawasaki Chile.

PC: "We had a good Dakar 2018, although I had a fall that caused a fracture in the forearm with a 90% crack. I tried my best, I had to sit all the time on the bike and I was able to finish the race with good pace. I'm happy with the result we got. The Kawasaki behaved very well; for this edition we work on an evolution but we will not arrive to compete with that motorcycle, so we decided to run with the same unit of 2018 that incorporates multiple improvements. "" For the 2019 Dakar the course in Peru is very similar to what We have already run and where I felt very comfortable. We have prepared in the best possible way, participating in some dates of the South American Cross Country Championship, and we won the Guarani Challenge. I train physically in a high performance center to get the best way to the Dakar, as the competition demands. For us to enter the top 30 would be a great result. I run the Dakar for the passion that I have inside; what is lived on the Dakar is not lived anywhere else. "
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 15, 2019, 08:37:28 am
Has TP taken any tumbles, it seems like everyone falls off somewhere in the dunes. It really looks like he is in a lot of pain. A real endurance rider that guy!!!!!

He has a wrist injury

Reply #788 on: Yesterday at 08:29:04 am
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 08:39:17 am
Well, Brabec is now in the overall lead with nearly 7 min!  :lol8:
Honda better stand guard at his bike tonight  :peepwall:

Lets see if he can keep it together or whether he will pull dumbass Barreda move. I still cannot fathom how highly paid and vastly experienced rider like BamBam who could have learned from aliens for many years, will do the dumb shit he did to get himself out of race. I dont mean making navigational mistake or falling down the cliff in fog - that could happen to anybody. I mean the  fact that he caught up with the two frontrunners and some of his biggest competitors gaining valuable time in gc, and instead of comfortably shadowing them conserving his gain and waiting to pounce in case they get lost, he overtakes them so that he has to open track now and promptly falls down a ravine. He should have been the one watching walkner falling down that hole.

I agree that JBB should be more cautious but remember last year Matthias won the Dakar because his navigation was 100 %. In stage 10 the first four riders, Benavides, Toby Price, Joan Barreda and Antoine Meo went left and Matthias stopped and decided to go right ( or vice versa) and because of it they got lost and lost valuable time and Matthias went on to win the entire race ( esp as Beveren had that bad fall ) . Walkner is very cool-headed and precise . The fact that Walkner followed Barreda down the rabbit hole says to me that it was an easy navigation error to make.


I admire Matthias and really holding thumbs for him this year for podium ,as long as he lets Brabec win .  :imaposer:  I like Toby and Sam but I would really like an American to win Dakar for a change and Ricky really deserves it.  :ricky:

Interesting how the same set of events can have two very different interpretations. The way i remember stage 10 last year is tgat it was AVB who first realized that front group took wrong turn and he was the first to follow the right track. At that point he was tge clear winner of dakar until that unfortunate fall in the river few km before ass. Walkner who was behind him eiither saw him or had two sets of tracks to decide between. Kudos to him for making right decision, but imo it was more luck than great navigation. And tgat s how he won - by luck mostly.

Funnily i always found his navigation shoddy and him too whingy to like. To me he is - or i should rather say was as he might changed - tge typical representative of wrc riders - very fast but not that clever. But lets see how he does this year.

Yes that is right . Van Bev went the other way and Matthias had to sit and decide which way to go. I disagree it was luck. I think Matthias stayed cool enough and he was clever enough to make the right choice. 

Anyway interesting that you say when Van Bev falls it is " unfortunate" and if Walkner wins the Dakar it is " by luck" and that he is " not that clever".   ;)

He has made many navigational mistakes before. Whenever he opens he is being swalliwed by pursuers very quickly. And he bitched and moaned like spoiled brat last year shen navigatiin became real requirement again. I believe should it not be for avb tracks, he would just follow the lost leaders, hence tge luck. He definitely did not deserve to win, avb did. And i for one hope AVB gets it this year.  But im fine with Brahec as well

Yes I agree Matthias is not the very best in any one category compared to some of the other top riders, but he is to me an example of a cool head and his determination and "plodding at it " got him a win last year . Van Bev fell because he was going a little too fast

 . And that I do respect of Matthias.  Strategy and staying power is more important than being the fastest.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 08:50:16 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...

Maybe that is the point. He is having an adventure without being a KTM or other big brand :biggrin:

I think he rode all 6 his Dakar's on Kawasaki as I remember seeing him most years  :thumleft:

https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/44

5 out of his 6 Dakar's finished , that is higher than most ( 83,3 %)

Patricio Cabrera ( currently 46th overall )

2018: Moto / 38º
2017: Moto / 33º
2016: Moto / Abandono in stage 8.
2015 : Moto / 33º
2014: Moto / 48º
2013: Moto / 84 °

WHAT IS LIVED IN THE DAKAR DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE"
Patricio Cabrera is a prominent Chilean motorcyclist who has participated in six editions of the competition, completing all but the 2016. The best result was ranked 33 in 2015 and 2017. In 2018 he had to run the last stages affected by a fracture in the forearm, but overcame and managed to reach the final ramp. Disciple of Francisco "Chaleco" López, the pilot born in Coyahaique will once again represent Kawasaki Chile.

PC: "We had a good Dakar 2018, although I had a fall that caused a fracture in the forearm with a 90% crack. I tried my best, I had to sit all the time on the bike and I was able to finish the race with good pace. I'm happy with the result we got. The Kawasaki behaved very well; for this edition we work on an evolution but we will not arrive to compete with that motorcycle, so we decided to run with the same unit of 2018 that incorporates multiple improvements. "" For the 2019 Dakar the course in Peru is very similar to what We have already run and where I felt very comfortable. We have prepared in the best possible way, participating in some dates of the South American Cross Country Championship, and we won the Guarani Challenge. I train physically in a high performance center to get the best way to the Dakar, as the competition demands. For us to enter the top 30 would be a great result. I run the Dakar for the passion that I have inside; what is lived on the Dakar is not lived anywhere else. "

Thanks Rynet, at the end of the day there always is a reason for what appears to be a strange decision. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 08:55:05 am


Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
  :

But who would people moan about all the time if Barreda did not do Dakar  :imaposer:

Is there anyone you do like RR ?  ;)

It's horses for courses; and I think it is the wrong course for him. Make no mistake I love watching him ride.
I like Toby and Laia they know how to tough it out.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 08:55:58 am


Barrada is simply a poor endurance racer and should stick to sprint type events.
  :

But who would people moan about all the time if Barreda did not do Dakar  :imaposer:

Is there anyone you do like RR ?  ;)

And what will they say when he does win Dakar ?

To be honest I don't think he has what it takes to win.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 09:02:40 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...

Maybe that is the point. He is having an adventure without being a KTM or other big brand :biggrin:

I think he rode all 6 his Dakar's on Kawasaki as I remember seeing him most years  :thumleft:

https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/44

5 out of his 6 Dakar's finished , that is higher than most ( 83,3 %)

Patricio Cabrera ( currently 46th overall )

2018: Moto / 38º
2017: Moto / 33º
2016: Moto / Abandono in stage 8.
2015 : Moto / 33º
2014: Moto / 48º
2013: Moto / 84 °

WHAT IS LIVED IN THE DAKAR DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE"
Patricio Cabrera is a prominent Chilean motorcyclist who has participated in six editions of the competition, completing all but the 2016. The best result was ranked 33 in 2015 and 2017. In 2018 he had to run the last stages affected by a fracture in the forearm, but overcame and managed to reach the final ramp. Disciple of Francisco "Chaleco" López, the pilot born in Coyahaique will once again represent Kawasaki Chile.

PC: "We had a good Dakar 2018, although I had a fall that caused a fracture in the forearm with a 90% crack. I tried my best, I had to sit all the time on the bike and I was able to finish the race with good pace. I'm happy with the result we got. The Kawasaki behaved very well; for this edition we work on an evolution but we will not arrive to compete with that motorcycle, so we decided to run with the same unit of 2018 that incorporates multiple improvements. "" For the 2019 Dakar the course in Peru is very similar to what We have already run and where I felt very comfortable. We have prepared in the best possible way, participating in some dates of the South American Cross Country Championship, and we won the Guarani Challenge. I train physically in a high performance center to get the best way to the Dakar, as the competition demands. For us to enter the top 30 would be a great result. I run the Dakar for the passion that I have inside; what is lived on the Dakar is not lived anywhere else. "

Thanks Rynet, at the end of the day there always is a reason for what appears to be a strange decision.

Long and the short of it is he is being sponsored by Kawasaki Chile (if I remember correctly from reading earlier)

Hell I would race a lawnmower if someone would sponsor me


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 15, 2019, 09:06:42 am
Some general photos of Stage 7 before work interferes with Dakar  :biggrin:

I don't understand the logic of riding a Kawasaki at the Dakar. Surely it makes sense to ride a bike which is similar to the other competitors bikes in a endurance event so that spares etc can be shared blah blah ...

Maybe that is the point. He is having an adventure without being a KTM or other big brand :biggrin:

I think he rode all 6 his Dakar's on Kawasaki as I remember seeing him most years  :thumleft:

https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/44

5 out of his 6 Dakar's finished , that is higher than most ( 83,3 %)

Patricio Cabrera ( currently 46th overall )

2018: Moto / 38º
2017: Moto / 33º
2016: Moto / Abandono in stage 8.
2015 : Moto / 33º
2014: Moto / 48º
2013: Moto / 84 °

WHAT IS LIVED IN THE DAKAR DOES NOT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE"
Patricio Cabrera is a prominent Chilean motorcyclist who has participated in six editions of the competition, completing all but the 2016. The best result was ranked 33 in 2015 and 2017. In 2018 he had to run the last stages affected by a fracture in the forearm, but overcame and managed to reach the final ramp. Disciple of Francisco "Chaleco" López, the pilot born in Coyahaique will once again represent Kawasaki Chile.

PC: "We had a good Dakar 2018, although I had a fall that caused a fracture in the forearm with a 90% crack. I tried my best, I had to sit all the time on the bike and I was able to finish the race with good pace. I'm happy with the result we got. The Kawasaki behaved very well; for this edition we work on an evolution but we will not arrive to compete with that motorcycle, so we decided to run with the same unit of 2018 that incorporates multiple improvements. "" For the 2019 Dakar the course in Peru is very similar to what We have already run and where I felt very comfortable. We have prepared in the best possible way, participating in some dates of the South American Cross Country Championship, and we won the Guarani Challenge. I train physically in a high performance center to get the best way to the Dakar, as the competition demands. For us to enter the top 30 would be a great result. I run the Dakar for the passion that I have inside; what is lived on the Dakar is not lived anywhere else. "

Thanks Rynet, at the end of the day there always is a reason for what appears to be a strange decision.

Long and the short of it is he is being sponsored by Kawasaki Chile (if I remember correctly from reading earlier)

Hell I would race a lawnmower if someone would sponsor me


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It's still kind of weird for Kawasaki Chile to sponsor a rider on a bike Kawasaki no longer produces, where it the point in that?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 09:07:12 am
part 1 : https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/566410973833547/
part 2 : https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/1105517919627737/

So interesting comments from Stewart. Last two stages is not that much fun for him. He reckons dakar might even be a bit over rated. I wonder if the lack of confidence in this terrain and the risk doesn't play a big role and cross country rally racing is a very different kettle of fish from enduro for sure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: I&horse on January 15, 2019, 09:14:26 am
Has TP taken any tumbles, it seems like everyone falls off somewhere in the dunes. It really looks like he is in a lot of pain. A real endurance rider that guy!!!!!

He has a wrist injury

Reply #788 on: Yesterday at 08:29:04 am

Thanks, I knew that, which is why it would be interesting to know if he has had any tumbles on that injured wrist. I have a lot of respect for him, more so if he has crashed and continued.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 09:33:06 am
part 1 : https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/566410973833547/
part 2 : https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/videos/1105517919627737/

So interesting comments from Stewart. Last two stages is not that much fun for him. He reckons dakar might even be a bit over rated. I wonder if the lack of confidence in this terrain and the risk doesn't play a big role and cross country rally racing is a very different kettle of fish from enduro for sure.

Kenny's not having much fun either. Must be the low point of the rally for both of them.

https://www.facebook.com/MyDakarJourney/videos/425603407978988/?t=0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 09:42:11 am
You have to go back to 2014 to find JB even ranked in the FIM Rallie Championships.

2018
RANK   RIDER   COUNTRY   TOTAL
1Toby PRICE   AUS   91
2Pablo QUINTANILLA   CHL   85
3Matthias WALKNER   AUT   75
4Paulo GONÇALVES   PRT   71
5Ricky BRABEC   USA   57
6Kévin BENAVIDES   ARG   56
7Maciej GIEMZA   POL   46
8Sam SUNDERLAND   GBR   38
9Cornejo JOSE   CHL   34
10Adrien VAN BEVEREN   FRA   24

2017

1Pablo QUINTANILLA   CHL   100
2Kévin BENAVIDES   ARG   97
3Matthias WALKNER   AUT   95
4Paulo GONÇALVES   PRT   85
5Sam SUNDERLAND   GBR   84
6Antoine MEO   FRA   41
7Xavier DE SOULTRAIT   FRA   33
8Pierre Alexandre RENET   FRA   31
9Adrien VAN BEVEREN   FRA   27
10David MCBRIDE   GBR   27

2016

1Pablo QUINTANILLA   CHL   96
2Sam SUNDERLAND   GBR   89
3Toby PRICE   AUS   87
4Hélder RODRIGUES   PRT   51
5Pierre Alexandre RENET   FRA   49
6Juan PEDRERO   ESP   41
7Cornejo JOSE   CHL   40
8Xavier DE SOULTRAIT   FRA   38
9Kévin BENAVIDES   ARG   36
10Adrien VAN BEVEREN   FRA   28

2015
1Matthias WALKNER   AUT   90
2Sam SUNDERLAND   GBR   83
3Paulo GONÇALVES   PRT   72
4Marc COMA   ESP   70
5Pablo QUINTANILLA   CHL   68
6Mohammed AL BALOOSHI   ARE   55
7Jakub PIĄTEK   POL   54
8Jordi VILADOMS      47
9Ruben FARIA   PRT   44
10Armand MONLEON   ESP   37

2014
1Marc COMA   ESP   101
2Paulo GONÇALVES   PRT   71
3Joan BARREDA   ESP   68
4Hélder RODRIGUES   PRT   62
5Jordi VILADOMS   ESP   57
6Ruben FARIA   PRT   45
7Sam SUNDERLAND   GBR   37
8Jakub PIĄTEK   POL   29
9Santosh CHUNCHUNGGUPPE S   IND   25
10Juan Carlos SALVATIERRA   BOL   21

JB's pedigree since he stopped MX is at best spotty with only one win in the last 4 years?;

1993   Motocross Spanish Champion
1996   Motocross Spanish Champion
1998   Motocross Spanish Champion
2000   Motocross Spanish Champion
2001   Motocross Spanish Champion
2002   Racing in MX World Championship class 125cc
2003   Racing in MX World Championship class 125cc
2004   Racing in MX World Championship class 125cc
2005   Racing in MX World Championship class 125cc
2011   First Participation at Dakar Rally
2012   Winner of Baja Ragon,
Winner of Pharaons Rally,
11th overall at Dakar,
5th overall Cross Country Rally World Championship
2013   17th overall Dakar with 4 stage wins
2014   7th overall Dakar with 5 stage wins,
Winner of Sealine Qatar Rally
2015   17th overall Dakar with 4 stage wins
2016   Racing in Dakar Rally
2017   5th overall Dakar with 4 stage wins
2018   Racing in Dakar Rally with 3 stage wins,
Winner of Merzouga Rally


Nope, his share price crashed with him this rally. I seriously doubt he'll be riding for Honda next year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 15, 2019, 10:09:35 am
And in other Dakar related news: F1 driver Fernando Alonso is considering the Dakar - and he is going to test in SA with Toyota SA Gazoo Racing, with Geniel and Nasser Al-Attiyah. mmmmmm....

https://www.autosport.com/dakar/news/141007/toyota-has-plan-if-alonso-decides-to-do-dakar

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"Autosport can reveal that over the last two months Toyota has been planning for the eventuality that two-time Formula 1 champion Fernando Alonso will decide to contest the Dakar Rally.
Alonso himself has said he has a huge respect for rally events, but previously admitted: "I have to be honest and know that I have no talent to do them.
But Toyota appears ready to offer him the chance to convert his circuit-racing skills to learn the art of rally-raid driving.

Hall added: "If you are a good driver, you are a good driver and you have the skills. "One of the things Fernando has seen in F1 races is that he has the ability to listen and think when he is driving on the limit.
That is a skill that is key in the raids, because you listen to a co-driver, and the race is complicated and you have to think about it."

Gazoo Racing plans to carry out Alonso's test in South Africa, and its Dakar winner Al-Attiyah said he would help the Spaniard."
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 10:24:41 am
Rossi is also rumoured to be very interested too.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 10:51:13 am
And in other Dakar related news: F1 driver Fernando Alonso is considering the Dakar - and he is going to test in SA with Toyota SA Gazoo Racing, with Geniel and Nasser Al-Attiyah. mmmmmm....

https://www.autosport.com/dakar/news/141007/toyota-has-plan-if-alonso-decides-to-do-dakar

Wow, that's exciting news!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 11:03:49 am
In other news, overall standings at the end of SS7:

1: Brabec
2: Van Beveren
3: Price   edit: for some perspective he's up here with a f*cked wrist. Imagine if he wasn't injured. He has said the pain is getting to him a bit so I suspect he might drop back a little of the last 3 stages. Hope for his sake he stays top 5  :deal:
....
16: Laia  edit: Price's mullet is in reach. Considering she was ill before the rally and couldn't prep/train properly this is a phenomenal performance from her.
17: Ross Branch jou doring  :thumleft:
....
26: Kenny Gilbert, bloody good show as well  :thumleft:
....
78: Stuart Gregory, this years South African tough guy. Great stuff.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 12:30:58 pm
Maybe we will see JB on a factory Himalayan next year. If the rumours are true that the Dakar will come back to Africa what will happen to the Africa Eco Race ? Run over the same time and most likely pretty much the same route.
Could not find 2019 route picture but pretty much the same according to the website.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 15, 2019, 12:49:14 pm
Ross is top Rookie now... I have a feeling he may end in the top 10.
Would be great but he would need to make up 2 hours on the top 10 at least. Brilliant performance for his first Dakar, just imagine what he can achieve next year !
Not if some drop out... >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 15, 2019, 01:13:17 pm
You have to go back to 2014 to find JB even ranked in the FIM Rallie Championships.

I rearranged those numbers a bit: then it seems Quintanilla is easily the best 2014-2018!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 01:21:02 pm
In any case...... today should hot up - KTM have few stages left so Sunderland and price have to attack a bit
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 01:48:17 pm
Quote
Stage 8 start times.
Stage length:
- Liaison - 574km
- Special - 361km
Total for the day 935km
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 01:51:07 pm
Florimo to hang back and shadow Brabec in case help is needed on todays stage surely.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 15, 2019, 02:12:03 pm
I'm feeling for the bike racers at the moment. If you listen to Ross and Stuart then they're running some of these tracks for the 3rd time already and today's stage is more of the same. This makes for extremely dangerous racing if you're on a bike because lurkers have been kicked lose by the cars and bikes from the previous stages and they're just lying and waiting in that fesh fesh to eat you alive. It's very risky business pushing the pace on that type of terrain and trying to open big gaps. I just hope no one gets seriously injured trying to be a hero before the end of the rally.

Stuart's latest video shows a very dejected rider and you can see he's not having fun anymore. Not because of fatigue but because they're rerunning previous routes and besides being dangerous, there's really no fun in that when you've spent millions to get there and you want to see different things & places. I can't say I blame him at all, I'd feel exactly the same way. Sand also get's pretty damn boring after 3 days.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 02:43:06 pm
Why is there almost an hour gap between the starting time of the 10th and 11th rider?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 02:54:42 pm
Why is there almost an hour gap between the starting time of the 10th and 11th rider?

(https://puu.sh/Cx1Tv/fb8be1a31b.png)

No I think they're changing the start times and it will update down the list as they go.
Maybe the site had the wrong times or something.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 02:58:50 pm
My understanding is they are starting the top ten bikes and top ten cars and top 5 trucks on scratch time and then reverting back to the standings 12 and below.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 15, 2019, 03:04:54 pm
Maybe we will see JB on a factory Himalayan next year. If the rumours are true that the Dakar will come back to Africa what will happen to the Africa Eco Race ? Run over the same time and most likely pretty much the same route.
Could not find 2019 route picture but pretty much the same according to the website.
I see that was 2017, do not recall hearing of it last year though...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 03:06:51 pm
My understanding is they are starting the top ten bikes and top ten cars and top 5 trucks on scratch time and then reverting back to the standings 12 and below.

Ja I see now on the Dakar website this is the case.

Quote
The Dakar heads back to the dunes of Ica. Same place, completely different format. The stage will feature a mixed start, with the top 10 motorbikes, top 10 cars and top 5 trucks starting the 359 km special together!

Kinda sounds like a terrible idea to me
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: JK on January 15, 2019, 03:16:12 pm
I'm feeling for the bike racers at the moment. If you listen to Ross and Stuart then they're running some of these tracks for the 3rd time already and today's stage is more of the same. This makes for extremely dangerous racing if you're on a bike because lurkers have been kicked lose by the cars and bikes from the previous stages and they're just lying and waiting in that fesh fesh to eat you alive. It's very risky business pushing the pace on that type of terrain and trying to open big gaps. I just hope no one gets seriously injured trying to be a hero before the end of the rally.

Stuart's latest video shows a very dejected rider and you can see he's not having fun anymore. Not because of fatigue but because they're rerunning previous routes and besides being dangerous, there's really no fun in that when you've spent millions to get there and you want to see different things & places. I can't say I blame him at all, I'd feel exactly the same way. Sand also get's pretty damn boring after 3 days.

Eish and if i remember correctly was it a lurker in the soft sand that took out Toby in 2017  :patch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 03:17:15 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 03:20:03 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 03:20:38 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine

FFS  :-\

And he was really looking set to take it. And honda is stuffed yet again
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 15, 2019, 03:23:13 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine

So if Toby keeps up his current pace today he might be the new leader?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 03:24:29 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine

FFS  :-\

And he was really looking set to take it. And honda is stuffed yet again

Damn, I really feel for the guy, he was in with such a good shot.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 03:26:00 pm
The same fate as last year it seems. FFS one would imagine Honda would have their bikes together?
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Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 03:27:57 pm
Geez Honda!?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 03:29:55 pm
Geez Honda!?

Bloody hell and so soon on the stage. I wonder what went? Is it the bike or is it the maintenance crew that stuffed up? Was really looking forward to a Honda win this year  :dousing:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 15, 2019, 03:31:28 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine

FFS  :-\

And he was really looking set to take it. And honda is stuffed yet again

damn that sucks.... was hoping to see some red on the top spot. Looks like orange it will be again...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: uaedesertfox on January 15, 2019, 03:33:58 pm
I'm now broken.... :-[ :-[

Let us wait and see what failed and root cause... Great pity though

Commiserations ....

Race on .. 8)... this is the Dakar ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 03:34:19 pm
So who's your podium picks now?

I'm thinking Sunderland, Walkner and VanBeveren on the podium. Topy Price is a maybe if he can keep on pushing through the pain for another 3 stages
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: roxenz on January 15, 2019, 03:42:54 pm
My money is on Mr Price to take the honours. A wise head will get him there I think.

Biggest competition to TP I expect to come from Quintanilla...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 15, 2019, 03:43:27 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine
Mkay, that should move Ross one up... >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 03:51:56 pm
Ffs Honda  >:(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 03:52:42 pm
Brabec out. Broken engine
Mkay, that should move Ross one up... >:D
:lol8: Feite.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 03:53:42 pm
Not Brabec ,,

Number 20

Ricky is 15
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 03:55:21 pm
I think that is an old photo, not too much desert sand round that bike
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Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 03:57:19 pm
I think that is an old photo, not too much desert sand round that bike
Please tell me this is true !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 03:58:44 pm
Fake news?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 03:59:07 pm
I think that is an old photo, not too much desert sand round that bike
Please tell me this is true !
Well, #20 is Monleon on a KTM  :patch:

EDIT: Also, suddenly that news flash is no longer on the Dakar official site.

Nog 'n EDIT: He's not registering a time at WP2 though.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 04:05:05 pm
Old pic I think - Dakar website says he is out


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 04:05:37 pm
That is very bad news I was pulling for Honda there


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Takashi on January 15, 2019, 04:06:33 pm
The picture is wrong but the news sadly is still op on the site.

Two different news post show Brabec engine failure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 04:08:36 pm
Ja I think that pic is last year when he had the same fate  :xxbah:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 04:08:55 pm
Most importantly this would provisionally put Laia in 15th place meaning Toby’s mullet is going


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 04:10:47 pm
Eh bad news. That pic looks more like electrical short but alas another big dissapointment for Honda. Yamaha maybe
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Takashi on January 15, 2019, 04:13:16 pm
Most importantly this would provisionally put Laia in 15th place meaning Toby’s mullet is going

That is why Toby is riding sooo damn fast, he is trying to get away from Laia...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 04:14:27 pm
So who's your podium picks now?

I'm thinking Sunderland, Walkner and VanBeveren on the podium. Topy Price is a maybe if he can keep on pushing through the pain for another 3 stages

I think I'm going to put my chips on Sunderland for the top step again.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Offroad2 on January 15, 2019, 04:33:56 pm
Any ones guess really close now .... AVB has been so consistent.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 15, 2019, 04:34:40 pm
Going To stick my head out

1. Toby
2. Van Bevren
3. Sam or Quantinilla
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Takashi on January 15, 2019, 04:35:15 pm
Ross sitting 4mins off the lead at WP1 in 15th place.

Laia is a bit slower today 7min down in 22nd so far.
I think starting later the dust must be playing havoc with cars and bikes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 04:36:02 pm
08:15 Bad luck for Brabec
Ricky Brabec is genuinely unlucky on the Dakar. Indeed, in 2018, the HRC rider was forced to drop out on stage 10 after the engine on his Honda broke. The same fate has befallen him and the world’s leading constructor has lost its best chance of winning the Dakar, a race that time and again slips through the grasp of the manufacturer with the winged logo…


Ok, so the pic was wrong, but it seems like the news was real.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 04:39:12 pm
I’m hoping for a South American win, Quintanilla, really think it’s about time.

I don’t think there’s been a S.American winner of the Dakar yet?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 04:40:12 pm
I have to push my lady compatriot here as none of you would fo it in my absence. I didnt even know she is malle moto (that is what originals by motul is, right?) and possibly first female to finish in tgat (though i though the russian and spanish ladies were also inmm, so whats up with that?)

Night terrors
January 15 th 2019 - 05:00 [GMT -5]

On Monday evening, Gabriela Novotná managed to reach the bivouac before the sun dipped below the Pacific Ocean. It was a huge relief for the Czech rider, who had finished the previous stage at the stroke of midnight. "We went back through a dune sector that we had already visited the day before, but everything was different", she explains. "The dunes were amazing and much easier to navigate than in the dark." On Sunday, Gabriela ate dust and loads of sand on the road from Arequipa to San Juan de Marcona. "I love Peru and its dunes, but the return to racing after the rest day was difficult. The first 80 kilometres were very complicated. The fan on my radiator bailed out on me and I had to regularly add water to my refrigeration circuit. I was lucky to get help from the organisers and spectators. Then we came across a car that was stuck in the canyon and we had to wait. I was getting anxious seeing the sun sink lower on the horizon. Having to get over the dunes with the faint lights of a motorbike is the scariest experience I've ever had." Fortunately, Gabriela had an uneventful stage 7 despite the short night and accumulated fatigue. Barring any nasty surprises, on Thursday she will become the first woman to finish the race in the Original by Motul category.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: peteb on January 15, 2019, 04:49:56 pm
I’m hoping for a South American win, Quintanilla, really think it’s about time.

I don’t think there’s been a S.American winner of the Dakar yet?
He just dropped another 3 minutes on the leaders into WP2. Don't think its easy back there with car and truck dust, and also I think a fair amount of '1 line' tracks in the early parts of today which will make it more difficult to pass them even if you're quicker.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 04:51:41 pm
Going To stick my head out

1. Toby
2. Van Bevren
3. Sam or Quantinilla
The only reason I'm not sure about Toby is the wrist issue. He was saying in one video he's going to have to ease off a bit in order to finish. But he might have said that to soften the opposition?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 15, 2019, 04:52:17 pm
Oh and regarding Brabec, Sabotage? ;)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 15, 2019, 04:56:34 pm
I have to push my lady compatriot here as none of you would fo it in my absence. I didnt even know she is malle moto (that is what originals by motul is, right?) and possibly first female to finish in tgat (though i though the russian and spanish ladies were also inmm, so whats up with that?)

Night terrors
January 15 th 2019 - 05:00 [GMT -5]

On Monday evening, Gabriela Novotná managed to reach the bivouac before the sun dipped below the Pacific Ocean. It was a huge relief for the Czech rider, who had finished the previous stage at the stroke of midnight. "We went back through a dune sector that we had already visited the day before, but everything was different", she explains. "The dunes were amazing and much easier to navigate than in the dark." On Sunday, Gabriela ate dust and loads of sand on the road from Arequipa to San Juan de Marcona. "I love Peru and its dunes, but the return to racing after the rest day was difficult. The first 80 kilometres were very complicated. The fan on my radiator bailed out on me and I had to regularly add water to my refrigeration circuit. I was lucky to get help from the organisers and spectators. Then we came across a car that was stuck in the canyon and we had to wait. I was getting anxious seeing the sun sink lower on the horizon. Having to get over the dunes with the faint lights of a motorbike is the scariest experience I've ever had." Fortunately, Gabriela had an uneventful stage 7 despite the short night and accumulated fatigue. Barring any nasty surprises, on Thursday she will become the first woman to finish the race in the Original by Motul category.

She's not MM, you must be thinking about the Russian Nifontova
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 04:58:15 pm
Not so sure if KTM will allow Husqvarna to win Dakar  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: cocky on January 15, 2019, 04:58:38 pm
Oh and regarding Brabec, Sabotage? ;)

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Thanx Mate :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2019, 05:00:14 pm
I have to push my lady compatriot here as none of you would fo it in my absence. I didnt even know she is malle moto (that is what originals by motul is, right?) and possibly first female to finish in tgat (though i though the russian and spanish ladies were also inmm, so whats up with that?)

Night terrors
January 15 th 2019 - 05:00 [GMT -5]

On Monday evening, Gabriela Novotná managed to reach the bivouac before the sun dipped below the Pacific Ocean. It was a huge relief for the Czech rider, who had finished the previous stage at the stroke of midnight. "We went back through a dune sector that we had already visited the day before, but everything was different", she explains. "The dunes were amazing and much easier to navigate than in the dark." On Sunday, Gabriela ate dust and loads of sand on the road from Arequipa to San Juan de Marcona. "I love Peru and its dunes, but the return to racing after the rest day was difficult. The first 80 kilometres were very complicated. The fan on my radiator bailed out on me and I had to regularly add water to my refrigeration circuit. I was lucky to get help from the organisers and spectators. Then we came across a car that was stuck in the canyon and we had to wait. I was getting anxious seeing the sun sink lower on the horizon. Having to get over the dunes with the faint lights of a motorbike is the scariest experience I've ever had." Fortunately, Gabriela had an uneventful stage 7 despite the short night and accumulated fatigue. Barring any nasty surprises, on Thursday she will become the first woman to finish the race in the Original by Motul category.

She's not MM, you must be thinking about the Russian Nifontova

Im not thinking 🤪, that is what that attached press release said. It sounded fishy but im not on track this year - i just posted what i found. Clearly i found bs😳
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 05:01:22 pm
Oh and regarding Brabec, Sabotage? ;)

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Must be the same guy that set the clickers on his suspension
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 15, 2019, 05:03:14 pm
Toby must be really in need of that 5 sec kiss  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 05:03:40 pm
Oh and regarding Brabec, Sabotage? ;)

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Must be the same guy that set the clickers on his suspension
KTM agent working for HRC I tell you, most likely dropped ball bearings into the motor or used Motorex in the bike  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Mooch on January 15, 2019, 05:07:06 pm
Eish bad luck Honda / Brabec!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Mooch on January 15, 2019, 05:08:09 pm
My money is on Mr Price to take the honours. A wise head will get him there I think.

Biggest competition to TP I expect to come from Quintanilla...

Yea, I'm with you on this one.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 05:09:11 pm
I’m hoping for a South American win, Quintanilla, really think it’s about time.

I don’t think there’s been a S.American winner of the Dakar yet?
He just dropped another 3 minutes on the leaders into WP2. Don't think its easy back there with car and truck dust, and also I think a fair amount of '1 line' tracks in the early parts of today which will make it more difficult to pass them even if you're quicker.

Agreed,  he would really have to pull something out the hat now, tomorrow is too late with such a short stage
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 06:02:09 pm
I don't think Kenny's posted a top20 fastest time before and he's 19th fastest through WP3. Pretty damn nice. Ross is 12th fastest at the same point.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 06:18:08 pm
Both Kenny and Ross are doing great , Laia , not so good
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Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 06:31:58 pm
Ross in wp4 @ 12th but both Svitko and buhler still to come in which should bump him down to 14th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 06:52:04 pm
Cornejo didn't register any times after WP1 either so that's another spot down.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 06:53:45 pm
Cornejo didn't register any times after WP1 either so that's another spot down.

Yep, see that now, still an awesome day for Ross
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 06:57:05 pm
Wonder what happened to Corne - surely not two expired Hondas? Or did he stop for Brabec? Maybe just tracking fubar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 07:03:41 pm
Walkner coming in to the ASS 1m13s ahead of Price
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 07:05:09 pm
Wonder what happened to Corne - surely not two expired Hondas? Or did he stop for Brabec? Maybe just tracking fubar.

Must be tracking, he’s in the ass now
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 07:18:13 pm
Wonder what happened to Corne - surely not two expired Hondas? Or did he stop for Brabec? Maybe just tracking fubar.

Must be tracking, he’s in the ass now


Yes 8th overall. Price, Walkner, Sunderlan - 1,2,3 KTM  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 15, 2019, 07:21:05 pm
Going back to that Kawasaki, it looks like a KX to me, not a KLX. Different frame and no torque-limiter. A KX front end.

Therefore a kickstart only .............. is this probable? A converted MX bike?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 07:34:06 pm
Wonder what happened to Corne - surely not two expired Hondas? Or did he stop for Brabec? Maybe just tracking fubar.

Must be tracking, he’s in the ass now


Yes 8th overall. Price, Walkner, Sunderlan - 1,2,3 KTM  ::)

Don’t forget that Pablo Q still needs to come in and he was only 36 seconds behind Price, so could be two orange and one white KTM,s  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:39:55 pm
Going back to that Kawasaki, it looks like a KX to me, not a KLX. Different frame and no torque-limiter. A KX front end.

Therefore a kickstart only .............. is this probable? A converted MX bike?

Hi Cracker  :biggrin:
You finished one of the Amagezas on a Kawasaki , didn't you ? 2016 ?

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 07:44:24 pm
Just read on advR that Svitko had a crash and is in hospital  :-\
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:45:11 pm
I'm gutted about Ricky Brabec.  He had skin in this game and just did not deserve this .  :'(  At least he is young and will be back .

Salute to him for how he rode up until today :notworthy: :notworthy:

Now I guess I will have to support Matthias after all . He is a dark horse and steadfast .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 15, 2019, 07:54:10 pm
I'm gutted about Ricky Brabec.  He had skin in this game and just did not deserve this .  :'(  At least he is young and will be back .

Salute to him for how he rode up until today :notworthy: :notworthy:

Now I guess I will have to support Matthias after all . He is a dark horse and steadfast .
Agree, he is a great rider and will hopefully win one day

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 07:54:57 pm
Pablo Quintanilla in the ASS !!!

2nd place only 45seconds behind Walkner
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 15, 2019, 07:56:14 pm
Just read on advR that Svitko had a crash and is in hospital  :-\

Aggge no. This has been a tough Dakar , I hope the Riders don't sustain permanent damage.

I hope the Price they pay for Podium isn't too high .  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 15, 2019, 07:59:44 pm
Going back to that Kawasaki, it looks like a KX to me, not a KLX. Different frame and no torque-limiter. A KX front end.

Therefore a kickstart only .............. is this probable? A converted MX bike?

Hi Cracker  :biggrin:
You finished one of the Amagezas on a Kawasaki , didn't you ? 2016 ?

Yep, 2014, but that was on a KLR ................. And even that broke down and required some towing .............  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 08:40:12 pm
Looks like Ross in at 17, does that push him to 13?

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 08:42:09 pm
Seems like he lost a few minutes on the last section
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: alli on January 15, 2019, 08:52:47 pm
Looks like Ross in at 17, does that push him to 13?



No, Laia just came in, Ross came in ahead on this stage but she made up some time so she is in 13th in overall
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: m0lt3n on January 15, 2019, 08:53:43 pm
Isnt Brabec maybe a bit hard on his bikes if they keep breaking?

anyone know anything about Loeb? at WP6 he was leading, but then nothing at ASS
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Crossed-up on January 15, 2019, 09:00:43 pm
Where is Stuart or have I missed something?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 09:06:04 pm
Isnt Brabec maybe a bit hard on his bikes if they keep breaking?

anyone know anything about Loeb? at WP6 he was leading, but then nothing at ASS
Only 1 Honda left and no KTM break downs as far as the top riders go   ::)
Yes I know some crashes and not all mechanical
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 09:07:43 pm
To see how well Ross has done look at the overall time gaps from his position through to the two Metge brothers - he has ridden brilliantly
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 15, 2019, 09:09:45 pm
Isnt Brabec maybe a bit hard on his bikes if they keep breaking?

anyone know anything about Loeb? at WP6 he was leading, but then nothing at ASS
Only 1 Honda left and no KTM break downs as far as the top riders go   ::)
Yes I know some crashes and not all mechanical

2 Left...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2019, 09:11:06 pm
Isnt Brabec maybe a bit hard on his bikes if they keep breaking?

anyone know anything about Loeb? at WP6 he was leading, but then nothing at ASS
Only 1 Honda left and no KTM break downs as far as the top riders go   ::)
Yes I know some crashes and not all mechanical

2 Left...
Yes thanks just seen it now, race not over yet though  :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 15, 2019, 09:11:47 pm
Where is Stuart or have I missed something?

Eish, really hope it is a tracker issue!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 15, 2019, 09:15:17 pm
 ” That was my maximum today, so any more than that, well… I can’t do any more. My wrist is on fire now.”

Toby went for it - he’s ridden the whole race pretty smart


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 09:17:17 pm
Where is Stuart or have I missed something?

Eish, really hope it is a tracker issue!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 15, 2019, 09:20:25 pm
I love this!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/8ff64339636c44397e0412530d6cce88.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Takashi on January 15, 2019, 09:24:07 pm
I love this!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/8ff64339636c44397e0412530d6cce88.jpg)


He won't have that Mullet for long if Laia has any say about it sitting in 13th.
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Post by: Grunder on January 15, 2019, 09:36:52 pm
I love this!(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/8ff64339636c44397e0412530d6cce88.jpg)

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Haha. Saw that this morning.

Openly giving him a hard time

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Post by: Cdp13 on January 15, 2019, 09:41:52 pm
I'm going to sleep now and hopefully wake up to good news. Come'on Stuart boytjie - tow that bike if that is what it takes!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 15, 2019, 09:48:17 pm
The zaffers flying our flag high at the Dakar (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/891ca5de3a5e5fb7627fe75967aeb81d.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 15, 2019, 10:05:58 pm
Holding thumbs & toes that Stuart gets that bike going, he's too damn close to lose it now  :o
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Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 10:11:52 pm
Holding thumbs & toes that Stuart gets that bike going, he's too damn close to lose it now  :o

Someone needs to patch him through to Joey  :3some:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Buff on January 15, 2019, 10:15:56 pm
Stuart's out, just got news his motor has blown, along with 2 other bikes as well. The sand is taking its toll  :(
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Post by: SpeedMetal on January 15, 2019, 10:17:56 pm
Bad news guys [22:19, 1/15/2019] Stuart Gregory #100: In the car with 2 other Mallo Moto riders , 3 engines gone. From Dakar Peru 2019 ZAR info Group(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/a44d3fd7832a7852970f45834a8f8a4f.jpg)

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Post by: Hondsekierie on January 15, 2019, 10:29:13 pm
Bad news guys [22:19, 1/15/2019] Stuart Gregory #100: In the car with 2 other Mallo Moto riders , 3 engines gone. From Dakar Peru 2019 ZAR info Group(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190115/a44d3fd7832a7852970f45834a8f8a4f.jpg)

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What bad news.  Don't know how the other engines survived that fesh fesh madness
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Post by: Dutchie on January 15, 2019, 10:47:08 pm
Agge nee  :'(
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Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2019, 10:52:52 pm
 :'(
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Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2019, 11:21:51 pm
Bummer of note!
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Post by: Dwerg on January 16, 2019, 04:55:52 am
Poor Stuart that sucks. Ricky will be back but for others it’s a once in a lifetime
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Post by: Cdp13 on January 16, 2019, 06:15:58 am
Ag nee man dis nou sommer k@k nuus so vroeg in die oggend :'( :'(

He can be very proud still - hierdie Peru is nie vir sissies nie!
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Post by: LionBuell on January 16, 2019, 06:19:08 am
Aaaaag bad luck! So close.

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Post by: Nigel X on January 16, 2019, 06:21:44 am
Sunderland has a one hour penalty!
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Post by: Slaaiblaar on January 16, 2019, 06:22:53 am
Sad news, showed my wife the interview with him before we went to bed last night and we were amazed at how tough these guys are.
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Post by: XT JOE on January 16, 2019, 06:35:08 am
Sunderland has a one hour penalty!

What happened to Sunderland

Shit what sad news with Stuart- he was really my favorite/guaranteed to finish even if it was last

Saw a video on Ross last night after yesterdays stage on whats up- bubbly positive as always :thumleft: absolute champ
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Post by: XT JOE on January 16, 2019, 06:40:33 am
Thanks for these stunning pics Rynet & Hendrik etc - not sure where you find them but dankie stunning stuff and always all this banter :pot: good smiles and some knopgat comments :biggrin:
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:09:51 am
Thanks XT Joe

Yesterday was hectic , too lose Ricky, Svitko and Stuart .  :'(

At least Ricky pushed up his Brownie Points tremendously as he ran a text book race. He may have failed at Dakar 2019 but he succeeded at Ricky Brabec.

Some pics to say good bye to Ricky ( for now )
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:15:31 am
Matthias Walkner won yesterday stage and is now 3rd overall behind toby and Pablo


Cool day was that today that was brutally fast passed! It was an extremely important day that can change much. So far, the rally is really very good for me. I've never really been big, the only frustrating thing was that roadbook mistake that cost me a lot of time. As it looks, it's going to be extremely close For Victory, it won't go out anymore but a podium is possible now. How quickly everything can change, you've seen brabec.
The First 160 km were an extremely fast runway (Sandy and stone peaks the herausgeragt have) and I certainly drove 3-4 % faster than the days before and also risked more. I've always tried to leave half a second longer! Unfortunately, the chassis was too soft for me, even with the full tanks and the soft "Feesh-Feesh" Sand. I had a fall where I lost some time. At the refuelling, I was 3 minutes behind Toby, that was pretty frustrating for me. Because I've reached my 100 After refuelling, I went to the stomach with anger, I changed my setup and cut my footrests and the fork properly. The last 200 kilometers, I drove as if it were all about it. I've been trying to look at the route two to three dunes before. A little fall into a against, then I insulted my shoulder and my ankle again. But it's only two days left, and I'm gonna bite it. Thanks everyone! Hiasi
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:17:17 am
Standings after stage 8
( maybe someone can attach the results, easier for me to just copy and paste as must go to work )


Pos
Name
Brand
Time
Variation
Penalty
1   
001 - MATTHIAS WALKNER (AUT)
KTM
3h55m25s   +00:00:00   --:--:--
2   
006 - PABLO QUINTANILLA (CHL)
HUSQVARNA
3h56m10s   +00:00:45   --:--:--
3   
003 - TOBY PRICE (AUS)
KTM
3h56m38s   +00:01:13   --:--:--
4   
029 - ANDREW SHORT (USA)
HUSQVARNA
4h05m16s   +00:09:51   --:--:--
5   
004 - ADRIEN VAN BEVEREN (FRA)
YAMAHA
4h07m13s   +00:11:48   --:--:--
6   
077 - LUCIANO BENAVIDES (ARG)
KTM
4h08m16s   +00:12:51   --:--:--
7   
010 - JOSE IGNACIO CORNEJO FLORIMO (CHL)
HONDA
4h09m13s   +00:13:48   --:--:--
8   
047 - KEVIN BENAVIDES (ARG)
HONDA
4h10m32s   +00:15:07   --:--:--
9   
018 - XAVIER DE SOULTRAIT (FRA)
YAMAHA
4h11m15s   +00:15:50   --:--:--
10   
016 - MICHAEL METGE (FRA)
SHERCO TVS
4h14m36s   +00:19:11   +00:01:00
11   
007 - ORIOL MENA (ESP)
SPEEDBRAIN
4h20m03s   +00:24:38   --:--:--
12   
027 - JOAQUIM RODRIGUES (PRT)
SPEEDBRAIN
4h21m49s   +00:26:24   --:--:--
13   
028 - DANIEL NOSIGLIA JAGER (BOL)
HONDA
4h26m58s   +00:31:33   +00:01:00
14   
024 - ADRIEN METGE (FRA)
SHERCO TVS
4h27m52s   +00:32:27   --:--:--
15   
114 - ROSS BRANCH (BWA)
KTM
4h30m33s   +00:35:08   --:--:--
16   
042 - MAURIZIO GERINI (ITA)
HUSQVARNA
4h34m48s   +00:39:23   --:--:--
17   
017 - LAIA SANZ (ESP)
KTM
4h35m18s   +00:39:53   --:--:--
18   
030 - MARC SOLA TERRADELLAS (ESP)
KTM
4h36m48s   +00:41:23   --:--:--
19   
038 - MILAN ENGEL (CZE)
KTM
4h38m28s   +00:43:03   --:--:--
20   
043 - ADAM TOMICZEK (POL)
KTM
4h43m42s   +00:48:17   --:--:--
21   
110 - SEBASTIAN BUHLER (DEU)
KTM
4h45m33s   +00:50:08   +00:20:00
22   
108 - KENNETH GILBERT (ZAF)
HUSQVARNA
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:19:30 am
Overall standings after stage 8
( sorry for the format)


overall standings   overall standingswithdrawals
Stage 8
Country
Rider   10, 11, 17, 44, 55, 56, 57, 100, 108, 114, 137, 148   X
Class
>>
Top 10
Pos
Name
Brand
Time
Variation
Penalty
Pos
 STAGE 8
1   
003 - TOBY PRICE (AUS)
KTM
28h53m08s   +00:00:00   +00:01:33   (1)
2   
006 - PABLO QUINTANILLA (CHL)
HUSQVARNA
28h54m11s   +00:01:03   --:--:--   (2)
3   
001 - MATTHIAS WALKNER (AUT)
KTM
28h59m43s   +00:06:35   +00:03:00   (3)
4   
004 - ADRIEN VAN BEVEREN (FRA)
YAMAHA
29h03m02s   +00:09:54   --:--:--   (4)
5   
029 - ANDREW SHORT (USA)
HUSQVARNA
29h32m35s   +00:39:27   --:--:--   (5)
6   
018 - XAVIER DE SOULTRAIT (FRA)
YAMAHA
29h39m25s   +00:46:17   +00:01:00   (6)
7   
077 - LUCIANO BENAVIDES (ARG)
KTM
29h57m32s   +01:04:24   --:--:--   (7)
8   
010 - JOSE IGNACIO CORNEJO FLORIMO (CHL)
HONDA
29h58m52s   +01:05:44   +00:15:00   (8)
9   
014 - SAM SUNDERLAND (GBR)
KTM
29h59m46s   +01:06:38   +01:02:00   (9)
10   
007 - ORIOL MENA (ESP)
SPEEDBRAIN
30h42m59s   +01:49:51   --:--:--   (10)
11   
028 - DANIEL NOSIGLIA JAGER (BOL)
HONDA
31h16m28s   +02:23:20   +00:02:00   (11)
12   
017 - LAIA SANZ (ESP)
KTM
31h52m53s   +02:59:45   +00:02:30   (12)
13   
114 - ROSS BRANCH (BWA)
KTM
32h11m48s   +03:18:40   +00:15:00   (13)
14   
047 - KEVIN BENAVIDES (ARG)
HONDA
32h14m49s   +03:21:41   +03:00:00   (14)
15   
042 - MAURIZIO GERINI (ITA)
HUSQVARNA
32h52m08s   +03:59:00   +00:02:00   (15)
16   
038 - MILAN ENGEL (CZE)
KTM
33h16m02s   +04:22:54   +00:04:00   (16)
17   
043 - ADAM TOMICZEK (POL)
KTM
33h19m54s   +04:26:46   --:--:--   (17)
18   
027 - JOAQUIM RODRIGUES (PRT)
SPEEDBRAIN
33h23m20s   +04:30:12   +00:41:00   (18)
19   
030 - MARC SOLA TERRADELLAS (ESP)
KTM
33h33m35s   +04:40:27   --:--:--   (19)
20   
110 - SEBASTIAN BÃœHLER (DEU)
KTM
34h04m23s   +05:11:15   +00:20:00   (20)
21   
108 - KENNETH GILBERT (ZAF)
HUSQVARNA
34h13m22s   +05:20:14   --:--:--   (21)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: gmac on January 16, 2019, 07:20:26 am
I officially have a new favorite rider after this Dakar - Brabec for sure - now he just needs a decent motorcycle


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:21:53 am
Bye to Stuart and Svitko  :'(
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:25:13 am
Toby Price


Toby Price Racing
8 hrs ·
Stage 8 - 3rd 🏁
Current Overall Position - 1st, leading by +01:03 🏆
I knew today had to count so I gave it everything – the wrist is really starting to sting now! It was a long special at 360 kilometers but I got through it and I’m pleased with how the whole stage went. Just two days left so I’ll get some rest tonight and attack again tomorrow. When the helmet goes on, you know I’m just going to do the best I can.

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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:28:23 am
Luciano Benavides doing surprisingly well .

Check the fesh fesh

( no wonder so many bikes are breaking )
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:34:12 am
Some general photos . Love the spectator pics  :biggrin:
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Post by: Dwerg on January 16, 2019, 07:37:25 am
I officially have a new favorite rider after this Dakar - Brabec for sure - now he just needs a decent motorcycle

His career is mainly desert racing with JCR so it's unlikely unless something drastic happens. He did mention doing the rally raid season in that interview which might open up options
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:38:37 am
I think the photographers are exhausted too .  :imaposer:
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:41:59 am

"Ross Branch is in Peru.
8 hrs ·
“Really crazy day today, my first time riding with the cars and trucks together! Had to jump off a few dunes to avoid those trucks! Happy with today’s results 17th provisionally for Stage 8 and 14th overall provisionally at Dakar Rally 2019”

2 days to go!! "

Go ROSS  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Very Proud of you  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 07:44:12 am
The way things are looking to me KTM are going to be at the top of the Dakar pile for a long time; there might be a once off type of upset but it won't knock them over.
Its the same in the Baja with Honda.

 
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Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 07:45:41 am

"Ross Branch is in Peru.
8 hrs ·
“Really crazy day today, my first time riding with the cars and trucks together! Had to jump off a few dunes to avoid those trucks! Happy with today’s results 17th provisionally for Stage 8 and 14th overall provisionally at Dakar Rally 2019”

2 days to go!! "

Go ROSS  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Very Proud of you  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

It looks like Ross has a big future, lets hope a factory team picks him up.
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Post by: Beserker on January 16, 2019, 07:46:47 am
I officially have a new favorite rider after this Dakar - Brabec for sure - now he just needs a decent motorcycle


 :thumleft:   and Ross   :thumleft:
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Post by: Rynet on January 16, 2019, 07:51:52 am
http://news.mediage.es/f/rnl.aspx/?ngj=vp4.ajf=v_ej8=vxuuy-a8.-=.0ac&x=pp&r3a:0090:66l_a0e=xxxyNCLM

"January 15, 2019 | Dakar Rally 2019 | Stage 8: San Juan de Marcona - Pisco | Link: 215 km - Special: 360 km
Laia Sanz is in an unthinkable 12th absolute position
The one of Soficat Xerox has surpassed another dangerous stage in the fesh-fesh and has shone in the part of dunes to finish the special one in 18ª position.

" I'm busted, in survival mode to finish. I am paying for the lack of preparation, but I do everything I can to follow and pass the stages as best I can. I am giving everything. Being 12 is incredible . "


      
    
Laia Sanz is already in the top 15! Who could imagine it before beginning with their circumstances? Well, this Tuesday, in the eighth stage of the Dakar Rally has done what she did not think it would achieve: it has placed in an extraordinary 12th position in the provisional general classification, with two days to go.

The Xerox Soficat driver crossed the finish line in 18th position, after managing the forces, to minimize the lack of training with which he reached the rally. " I'm busted, in survival mode to finish. I am paying for the lack of preparation, but I do everything I can to follow and pass the stages as best I can. I am giving everything. Being 12 is incredible, "she says between surprised and proud.

The day was a first stretch of 159 kilometers similar to the special one of the previous day, with a very complicated terrain, where Laia has extreme caution: " Today was very dangerous. The first part was very broken, with a lot of fesh-fesh and, as if that were not enough, with fog. Therefore, I have decided to take it very calmly. Then I found [Ricky] Brabec stopped; later, [Stefan] Svitko was the same, so I thought about the classification and how important it was to get to the end ".

After a lonely kilometer neutralized, started the second stage of the stage, with 200 kilometers mostly on dunes, which have gone much better for the pilot of Soficat Xerox and the KTM Rally Factory Team. "The second part I liked a lot. Maybe it's the race section that I liked the most about this Dakar, with lots of sand, and I've run more . "

At the end of the day, Laia benefited from its reliability, from the losses that the stage has claimed and from a three-hour penalty imposed on Kevin Benavides to move up to 12th position. The one from Corbera de Llobregat has also celebrated the newly-premiered leadership of his KTM teammate Toby Price: " He deserves to win the Dakar. He has suffered a fall, he has arrived with a lot of pain, but there he is leading the race and with all the options. I hope he gets it because he has enormous merit . "

This Wednesday will be the ninth and penultimate stage of the 2019 Dakar Rally, with start and finish in Pisco. Ahead, 96 kilometers of liaison and 313 timed with an online start in groups of ten bikes.


Classification stage 8:
1. Matthias Walkner (KTM) 03h 55'25 "
2. Paul Quintanilla (Husqvarna) + 00'45"
3. Toby Price (KTM) + 01'13 "
4. Sam Sunderland (KTM) +06 ' 21 "
5. Andrew Short (Husqvarna) + 09'51"
...
18. Laia Sanz (KTM) + 39'53 "

Overall classification:
1. Toby Price (KTM) 28h 53'08"
2. Pablo Quintanilla (Husqvarna ) + 01'03 "
3. Matthias Walkner (KTM) + 06'35"
4. Sam Sunderland (KTM) + 06'38 "
5. Adrien Van Beveren (Yamaha) + 09'54"
...
12. Laia Sanz (KTM) + 02h 59'45 "
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 07:55:30 am
I officially have a new favorite rider after this Dakar - Brabec for sure - now he just needs a decent motorcycle


 :thumleft:   and Ross   :thumleft:

Laia is my Dakar superhero.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 08:05:19 am
I officially have a new favorite rider after this Dakar - Brabec for sure - now he just needs a decent motorcycle


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What is wrong with his Husqvarna? Granted he is now only 40th in gc, but his bike seems to be doing fine... >:D
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Post by: edgy on January 16, 2019, 08:19:00 am
I would absolutely love to know the exact budget each manufacturer has for the Dakar amongst the bike teams including the actual riders!
IOW how much was the total spend for KTM, Yamaha,Honda, Husky etc
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Post by: Dux on January 16, 2019, 08:21:33 am
The way things are looking to me KTM are going to be at the top of the Dakar pile for a long time; there might be a once off type of upset but it won't knock them over.
Its the same in the Baja with Honda.

I am certain that heads are going to roll at Honda Japan , the are a very proud company and will not take this well , but Honda being Honda they will persevere until they are at the top of this game .
Ironically for all their success worldwide , KTM have never won Baja , Husqvarna have but that was the original company years ago 
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Post by: Buff on January 16, 2019, 08:22:48 am
And against all odds Toby is leading the race... Wow. I would never have called that at the start of the race. I'm one of his biggest fans but following the buildup to the race on his social media pages I was doubtful he'd make the first week with his wrist injury. I figured KTM were just had him there for the media coverage. Either his doctor & physio are brilliant or he's just one seriously tough mofo  :o It once again just goes to show that consistency is the key on these long events.
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Post by: weskus on January 16, 2019, 08:23:52 am
To bad about Stuart..
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Post by: Dux on January 16, 2019, 08:24:13 am
I would absolutely love to know the exact budget each manufacturer has for the Dakar amongst the bike teams including the actual riders!
IOW how much was the total spend for KTM, Yamaha,Honda, Husky etc

Quite  a few million , but a drop in the ocean compared to Formula 1 .
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Post by: Grunder on January 16, 2019, 08:24:53 am
And against all odds Toby is leading the race... Wow. I would never have called that at the start of the race. I'm one of his biggest fans but following the buildup to the race on his social media pages I was doubtful he'd make the first week with his wrist injury. I figured KTM were just had him there for the media coverage. Either his doctor & physio are brilliant or he's just one seriously tough mofo  :o It once again just goes to show that consistency is the key on these long events.

Might be a little bit of both but he is definitely a tough bastard to do this with a broken wrist 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 08:25:56 am
I would absolutely love to know the exact budget each manufacturer has for the Dakar amongst the bike teams including the actual riders!
IOW how much was the total spend for KTM, Yamaha,Honda, Husky etc

On a US podcast, a rider was commenting that the top riders for the big teams make about $100 000 a year. He as a Husqvarna rider made a tenth of that. In comparison, his income when he was at the height of his MX career was in 10 times what the big boys currently make!

Dakar is not making any riders super rich. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 08:36:58 am
The way things are looking to me KTM are going to be at the top of the Dakar pile for a long time; there might be a once off type of upset but it won't knock them over.
Its the same in the Baja with Honda.

I am certain that heads are going to roll at Honda Japan , the are a very proud company and will not take this well , but Honda being Honda they will persevere until they are at the top of this game .
Ironically for all their success worldwide , KTM have never won Baja , Husqvarna have but that was the original company years ago

Honda has a reputation of winning by getting the rules changed, which is one thing I have never liked about them.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: LDV on January 16, 2019, 08:37:22 am
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/tv/video/AP-1XDWVSACS1W11/stage-8-dakar-daily-en
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 08:37:51 am
Back to the "map men"...

Benavides has just copped a 3hr penalty for having notes outside of his roadbook.  Just how fucking stupid does Honda have to be to have done this?! This means that not one Honda will be in the top 10 let alone the podium.

Here are the taped notes on his tank.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw_oAhuUUAAT2kf.jpg:large)

What make this even more ludicrous, is that one of the mapping guys I referred to earlier in this thread - Hogwild form ADVrider - did an analysis of the notes and what they mean....

Quote
"Here is my analysis of the notes found on Benavides' bike (taped on the gas tank) that got him the large penalty. He had "shortcuts" described in those notes indicating the kilometer to take action, and the compass heading (cap) to take at that point. In the case illustrated here, 3 notes describe a "fast line" by diverting from the roadbook defined course at 37.1km, going down to the beach, and riding along the beach to the next control point at 46.3km. Though it doesn't look much shorter in distance (both paths are about 6.5km), I would expect it to be a fair amount faster on the smooth beach than following the course on somewhat rougher terrain. Since the roadbook point at 39.1km is not a control point, they don't have to go through that point.

While the ASO clarification indicates no such notes "in the roadbook", the original regulation says "It is only authorized to carry on the Rider and his Machine . . .". There may be a little wiggle room there, but ASO generally doesn't go for such wiggling, and the French version of the rules may be a bit more precise."

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-15_20-50-24-png.1504990/)

His map guys had routed the stage, analysed where he could make up time, then taped the notes onto his bike to take advantage to these shortcuts. In a few stages the guys have been asked to hand their roadbooks in at the end of the stage. I am speculating that they didn't want to write in the roadbook these notes incase this happened, so taped them to his tank.

As it turns out they still got caught.

And they weren't even doing it for the podium either?

Benavides has taken to Instagram to plead his innocence and has also alluded to the other riders doing the same, just that they keep their notes elsewhere.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Takashi on January 16, 2019, 08:41:11 am
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.


Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 08:42:02 am
I love it when these guys get caught out for bending the rules, and even if by technicality it was allowed it is still not in the spirit of fair racing.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 08:42:28 am
By the way, I am certain that this guy Hogwild is getting a roadbook sent to him everyday too to be able to do this level of analysis. As to who he's helping is anyone's guess.
Title: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: LDV on January 16, 2019, 08:42:49 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 08:46:49 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 16, 2019, 08:48:35 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:

The one whose bike didn't fail
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 08:50:34 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:

The one whose bike didn't fail

It could easily have been rider error, causing the mechanical, like a dropped valve or something.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 16, 2019, 08:51:39 am
My money is on Toby Price FTW.... he's the toughest of the bunch.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 16, 2019, 08:52:13 am
I don't think we have heard the last of this Cribnotegate saga.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 08:55:09 am
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.

He didn't set off at his start time and was delayed by his irritrack having "a problem". It was, speculatively, a bit of gamesmanship...

He would have been first off the line and opening the course. As it happened, the Honda rider Florimo then had to open. As RB was still in the race, having a good navigator such as Sunderland open would have been to RB's advantage, now as RB was next down the track, he only had Florimo's lines. A distinct disadvantage.

Sunderland then set off 4th after being delayed and came 4th.

As a tactic, with the threat of Brabec very real, it seems KTM decided to sacrifice Sunderland to enhance Price and Walkers chances and reduce Brabecs at the same time. As it happened, Brabecs threat disappeared but they weren't to have known that.

Now normally, if you start late for your time, you pick up the penalty of only the time you were late by. The ASO however seems to think it was a little too fortuitous and have handed out an hour penalty for the infraction.

Sunderland will still be in the top 10.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Cracker on January 16, 2019, 08:59:37 am
Benavides caught 'cheating' and pleading his case is one thing - but dropping others in it as well, is not on.



Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dwerg on January 16, 2019, 08:59:57 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:

The one whose bike didn't fail

It could easily have been rider error, causing the mechanical, like a dropped valve or something.

For sure rider error. Bloody squid. What does he know.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 09:09:23 am
Benavides caught 'cheating' and pleading his case is one thing - but dropping others in it as well, is not on.

He can moan all he wants, I don't really blame him. It's inconceivable that Benavides was doing this on his own initiative. Honda are squarely to blame for this clusterfuck, they've truly screwed themselves. The rules were changed on stage 2, they have no excuse for doing this.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 09:10:18 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:

The one whose bike didn't fail

It could easily have been rider error, causing the mechanical, like a dropped valve or something.

For sure rider error. Bloody squid. What does he know.

Ja nee ffs rider error, what a joke. Obviously he shouldn't have been riding so hard you know, it's not like this is a race....  :xxbah:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 09:19:00 am
Walkner seems out of his comfort zone at full race pace with all the mishaps and falls he is having while Brabec’s bike never touched the ground.

Which of the two is still in the race  :deal:

The one whose bike didn't fail

It could easily have been rider error, causing the mechanical, like a dropped valve or something.

For sure rider error. Bloody squid. What does he know.

Ja nee ffs rider error, what a joke. Obviously he shouldn't have been riding so hard you know, it's not like this is a race....  :xxbah:

You guys are way to clever for me so I'm just going to bow out.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 09:41:11 am
You guys are way to clever for me so I'm just going to bow out.

We don't know what went wrong yet, but let's go with your "dropped valve" scenario.

Correct me if I'm wrong, a race bike when properly maintained should be able to run pretty much full throttle all day long, especially a rally bike. So I don't understand if he say drops a valve how it can be the riders fault? I doubt he was redlining it in second gear all the way  :lol8:  . I can understand things like suspension damage or getting the bike bent being rider error, but an engine bombing on a factory team bike? Come now, that is just ridiculous. Now maybe once, that I can understand, but two years in a row? Really?

Don't get me wrong I'm a big honda fan, but they've got to get their act together for dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Serf on January 16, 2019, 09:46:23 am
Toby must be really in need of that 5 sec kiss 
On another forum someone reconned that Price may do it down under

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 09:48:10 am
Toby must be really in need of that 5 sec kiss 
On another forum someone reconned that Price may do it down under


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 09:53:02 am
You guys are way to clever for me so I'm just going to bow out.

We don't know what went wrong yet, but let's go with your "dropped valve" scenario.

Correct me if I'm wrong, a race bike when properly maintained should be able to run pretty much full throttle all day long, especially a rally bike. So I don't understand if he say drops a valve how it can be the riders fault? I doubt he was redlining it in second gear all the way  :lol8:  . I can understand things like suspension damage or getting the bike bent being rider error, but an engine bombing on a factory team bike? Come now, that is just ridiculous. Now maybe once, that I can understand, but two years in a row? Really?

Don't get me wrong I'm a big honda fan, but they've got to get their act together for dakar.

Maybe wrong gear selection on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: m0lt3n on January 16, 2019, 09:55:15 am
Is Toby's wrist broken? Only screwed in place? What exactly is this injury?


Imagine if Benavides got caught out now, how many times were they not caught out with extra notes...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 09:56:15 am
Is Toby's wrist broken? Only screwed in place? What exactly is this injury?


Imagine if Benavides got caught out now, how many times were they not caught out with extra notes...

Yes, he broke i right before dakar on one of the last trainings
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 09:57:49 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 10:00:30 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

If I'm lazy with the shifting on my 690 I get false neutral between 5th and 6th gear.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Constantinople on January 16, 2019, 10:01:00 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

Help me here, but, how does a false neutral affect engine timing? The valves opening and closing is hard linked to the piston movement and timing chain...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 10:02:29 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

I did change my opinion to wrong gear selection as it occurred to me that a false neutral will be handled by the rev limiter  :-[
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 10:03:30 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

Help me here, but, how does a false neutral affect engine timing? The valves opening and closing is hard linked to the piston movement and timing chain...

As RR said if you're on or close to redline hitting a false neutral will over rev the engine, the result of which is very likely a valve going into the piston. Go google floating valves.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 10:03:35 am
Benavides caught 'cheating' and pleading his case is one thing - but dropping others in it as well, is not on.

He can moan all he wants, I don't really blame him. It's inconceivable that Benavides was doing this on his own initiative. Honda are squarely to blame for this clusterfuck, they've truly screwed themselves. The rules were changed on stage 2, they have no excuse for doing this.

Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 10:05:47 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

I did change my opinion to wrong gear selection as it occurred to me that a false neutral will be handled by the rev limiter  :-[

Ja if the revlimiter works sure. But we're grasping at straws here. I'm keen to hear what went wrong, my guess from what Brabec said (lost power) is either a fueling issue or the fesh fesh got to it and it ingested some dust.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 10:06:39 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

Help me here, but, how does a false neutral affect engine timing? The valves opening and closing is hard linked to the piston movement and timing chain...

Its not the timing; its engine over speeding which cause the valves to float. That is the big advange the Ducati system has with their desmo valve system.

"The main benefit of the desmodromic system is the prevention of valve float at high rpm. In traditional sprung-valve actuation, as engine speed increases, the momentum of the valve will eventually overcome the spring's ability to close it completely before the piston reaches TDC (top dead centre)."
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 10:07:45 am
Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.

Ja as much of a Honda fan as I am, you don't get the same team spirit feeling of them as you do of the ktm team.

I would really like to see Brabec come back and win it on a Honda though
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 10:07:54 am
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

I did change my opinion to wrong gear selection as it occurred to me that a false neutral will be handled by the rev limiter  :-[

Ja if the revlimiter works sure. But we're grasping at straws here. I'm keen to hear what went wrong, my guess from what Brabec said (lost power) is either a fueling issue or the fesh fesh got to it and it ingested some dust.

I agree.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 10:13:38 am
Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.

Ja as much of a Honda fan as I am, you don't get the same team spirit feeling of them as you do of the ktm team.

I would really like to see Brabec come back and win it on a Honda though

That shouldnt be that difficult, just get competent management in place for heavens sake. Preferably someone with huge dakar experience like Viladons in ktm. Coma? Honda sure have money for that.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: wiledog_X on January 16, 2019, 10:16:01 am
Brabec cuts a forlorn figure.... Do you guys think he will stick with Honda, after 2 years of the same kind of failure on the 3rd last stage? Maybe KTM can poach him...

Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 10:21:27 am
Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.

Ja as much of a Honda fan as I am, you don't get the same team spirit feeling of them as you do of the ktm team.

I would really like to see Brabec come back and win it on a Honda though

That shouldnt be that difficult, just get competent management in place for heavens sake. Preferably someone with huge dakar experience like Viladons in ktm. Coma? Honda sure have money for that.

I agree that it's probably a management issue and would not be surprised if the Honda is actually a better bike than the KTM.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2019, 10:27:30 am
Who is the current Honda Dakar manager ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 10:31:35 am
Who is the current Honda Dakar manager ?

Raul Castells, whoever that is

Edit: actualy not sure. Here is the list of them - any name rings a bell?

https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/team/ (https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/team/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2019, 10:36:12 am
They should get a Cyril Neveu or Hubert Auriol
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2019, 10:37:45 am
Or Marc Coma
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 16, 2019, 10:40:20 am
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.

He didn't set off at his start time and was delayed by his irritrack having "a problem". It was, speculatively, a bit of gamesmanship...

He would have been first off the line and opening the course. As it happened, the Honda rider Florimo then had to open. As RB was still in the race, having a good navigator such as Sunderland open would have been to RB's advantage, now as RB was next down the track, he only had Florimo's lines. A distinct disadvantage.

Sunderland then set off 4th after being delayed and came 4th.

As a tactic, with the threat of Brabec very real, it seems KTM decided to sacrifice Sunderland to enhance Price and Walkers chances and reduce Brabecs at the same time. As it happened, Brabecs threat disappeared but they weren't to have known that.

Now normally, if you start late for your time, you pick up the penalty of only the time you were late by. The ASO however seems to think it was a little too fortuitous and have handed out an hour penalty for the infraction.

Sunderland will still be in the top 10.

There are far too many "rules" that leave room for interpretation on the side of both parties, the rider/team and the org alike - to my liking. In this example and as per your explanation (education to me) Sunderland/KTM could just as easily have had this issue legitimately as could they have faked it. With the org having the power to just decide what they 'feel' is actually going on it is so easy for the wrong call to get made.

Making decisions like that on the fly is bullshit imo. In this case, a rider who had a genuine chance at winning the entire event now has none because of this decision. In the very same breath the guidelines/rules as it stands seems to afford the opportunity for an exploit on the rider/team's part. Surely it is possible to have such grey areas better resolved prior to an event and more so in light of the fact that this is not the 1st, 3rd or even 30th Dakar Rally.

I bet it is a lot more tricky than it appears I am assuming it to be, but I also think it should easily be a lot better than this.

Every year I follow the Dakar the org seems to make decisions that has my jaw drop to the floor. The shockers so far this year for me is Nicola Dutto and crew receiving approval on multiple occasions from multiple org representatives to take a tarred road and then they get DQ'ed over it. Really? What in the actual fuck!? A truck and crew gets DQ'ed on the spot for not stopping to tend to an injured spectator they cause injury to... before checking into to see why they didn't stop. Turns out they never knew they even injured the guy until the end of the stage as they could not see or hear it. Too late, we already DQ'ed you; fuck your time, fuck your money and fuck your team, au revoir.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 16, 2019, 10:41:44 am
Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.

Ja as much of a Honda fan as I am, you don't get the same team spirit feeling of them as you do of the ktm team.

I would really like to see Brabec come back and win it on a Honda though

He earns much more in the States with Honda than he does in Dakar , so expect him to be back with Team Red next year , you will probably see a lot more orientals around the team then as well .
Looking at the photograph of his bike , there doesn't seem to be oil around there , so could be any one of a million things , perhaps even a punctured radiator which led to a heat seize , who knows .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 10:53:11 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2019, 10:54:36 am
Honda team manager should be led out of camp and shot. The refuel snafu two years ago should have been enough. Barreda saga next. And this one is just ridiculous. And tge whole team is joke - somebody asked Brabec if he would help stranded fellow team member and he answered’would they do tgst for me?’. Says a lot.

Compare that to Sunderland (a dakar winner not watercarrier) who sacrifices his race to give tp and walkner best chance to win. The only positive character in the whole honda joke team is Gonk and im afraid his time is up.

Ja as much of a Honda fan as I am, you don't get the same team spirit feeling of them as you do of the ktm team.

I would really like to see Brabec come back and win it on a Honda though

He earns much more in the States with Honda than he does in Dakar , so expect him to be back with Team Red next year , you will probably see a lot more orientals around the team then as well .
Looking at the photograph of his bike , there doesn't seem to be oil around there , so could be any one of a million things , perhaps even a punctured radiator which led to a heat seize , who knows .
Maybe they need oriental mechanics  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 16, 2019, 11:06:20 am
Shit , I wasn't aware they had so many Japanese in the team , lots of Hari Kiri going to take place
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 16, 2019, 11:23:44 am
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.

He didn't set off at his start time and was delayed by his irritrack having "a problem". It was, speculatively, a bit of gamesmanship...

He would have been first off the line and opening the course. As it happened, the Honda rider Florimo then had to open. As RB was still in the race, having a good navigator such as Sunderland open would have been to RB's advantage, now as RB was next down the track, he only had Florimo's lines. A distinct disadvantage.

Sunderland then set off 4th after being delayed and came 4th.

As a tactic, with the threat of Brabec very real, it seems KTM decided to sacrifice Sunderland to enhance Price and Walkers chances and reduce Brabecs at the same time. As it happened, Brabecs threat disappeared but they weren't to have known that.

Now normally, if you start late for your time, you pick up the penalty of only the time you were late by. The ASO however seems to think it was a little too fortuitous and have handed out an hour penalty for the infraction.

Sunderland will still be in the top 10.

There are far too many "rules" that leave room for interpretation on the side of both parties, the rider/team and the org alike - to my liking. In this example and as per your explanation (education to me) Sunderland/KTM could just as easily have had this issue legitimately as could they have faked it. With the org having the power to just decide what they 'feel' is actually going on it is so easy for the wrong call to get made.

Making decisions like that on the fly is bullshit imo. In this case, a rider who had a genuine chance at winning the entire event now has none because of this decision. In the very same breath the guidelines/rules as it stands seems to afford the opportunity for an exploit on the rider/team's part. Surely it is possible to have such grey areas better resolved prior to an event and more so in light of the fact that this is not the 1st, 3rd or even 30th Dakar Rally.

I bet it is a lot more tricky than it appears I am assuming it to be, but I also think it should easily be a lot better than this.

Every year I follow the Dakar the org seems to make decisions that has my jaw drop to the floor. The shockers so far this year for me is Nicola Dutto and crew receiving approval on multiple occasions from multiple org representatives to take a tarred road and then they get DQ'ed over it. Really? What in the actual fuck!? A truck and crew gets DQ'ed on the spot for not stopping to tend to an injured spectator they cause injury to... before checking into to see why they didn't stop. Turns out they never knew they even injured the guy until the end of the stage as they could not see or hear it. Too late, we already DQ'ed you; fuck your time, fuck your money and fuck your team, au revoir.
Never been an organiser and official have you? :sip:
Reading the R&R also helps... >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Amsterdam on January 16, 2019, 11:27:58 am
Where do they carry the fuel on this bike?  Everyone seems to have a big tank up front.  Can't even really see something massive at the back end.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 11:29:40 am
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.

He didn't set off at his start time and was delayed by his irritrack having "a problem". It was, speculatively, a bit of gamesmanship...

He would have been first off the line and opening the course. As it happened, the Honda rider Florimo then had to open. As RB was still in the race, having a good navigator such as Sunderland open would have been to RB's advantage, now as RB was next down the track, he only had Florimo's lines. A distinct disadvantage.

Sunderland then set off 4th after being delayed and came 4th.

As a tactic, with the threat of Brabec very real, it seems KTM decided to sacrifice Sunderland to enhance Price and Walkers chances and reduce Brabecs at the same time. As it happened, Brabecs threat disappeared but they weren't to have known that.

Now normally, if you start late for your time, you pick up the penalty of only the time you were late by. The ASO however seems to think it was a little too fortuitous and have handed out an hour penalty for the infraction.

Sunderland will still be in the top 10.

There are far too many "rules" that leave room for interpretation on the side of both parties, the rider/team and the org alike - to my liking. In this example and as per your explanation (education to me) Sunderland/KTM could just as easily have had this issue legitimately as could they have faked it. With the org having the power to just decide what they 'feel' is actually going on it is so easy for the wrong call to get made.

Making decisions like that on the fly is bullshit imo. In this case, a rider who had a genuine chance at winning the entire event now has none because of this decision. In the very same breath the guidelines/rules as it stands seems to afford the opportunity for an exploit on the rider/team's part. Surely it is possible to have such grey areas better resolved prior to an event and more so in light of the fact that this is not the 1st, 3rd or even 30th Dakar Rally.

I bet it is a lot more tricky than it appears I am assuming it to be, but I also think it should easily be a lot better than this.

Every year I follow the Dakar the org seems to make decisions that has my jaw drop to the floor. The shockers so far this year for me is Nicola Dutto and crew receiving approval on multiple occasions from multiple org representatives to take a tarred road and then they get DQ'ed over it. Really? What in the actual fuck!? A truck and crew gets DQ'ed on the spot for not stopping to tend to an injured spectator they cause injury to... before checking into to see why they didn't stop. Turns out they never knew they even injured the guy until the end of the stage as they could not see or hear it. Too late, we already DQ'ed you; fuck your time, fuck your money and fuck your team, au revoir.

You haven't been around long have you?

ASO, the organisers of the Dakar, (and the Tour de France) are famous for, well, being French.

It's their race. Their rules. They are equally unfair to all, just a little more to those who are not French it seems.  :biggrin:

For example.... Robby Gordon has been on the wrong end of them for years. This year he spotted an opportunity to be ultra competitive in a Side by Side and take overall honours. Being that this was going to be a seriously dune filled Dakar, these Baja machines are demonstrably better in dunes than the cars or buggies. They hold the advantage in power to weight, much lighter, suspension and they get to be able to refill along the way for no time penalty. There was a video floating around just before the Dakar of Robby doing an acceleration and speed test. These things get to just over 120mph. Just before the start, the ASO added an 80mph speed limit to the cars. Robby was fucked.

Currently, Juan Carlos Salvatierra - a Bolivian - is suing the ASO for banning his quad from competing a few days before scrutineering when in October they said his quad was fine. ASO said it is not homologated. A bit kak as there are many about - it's a KTM 690 engined Barren Racing Quad that has a fine pedigree - and yet you can't buy a Honda 450 RR or a Dakar Peugeot but they can race.

(http://barrenracing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Barren-Racer-Rally-Quad.png) 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dux on January 16, 2019, 11:37:34 am
Where do they carry the fuel on this bike?  Everyone seems to have a big tank up front.  Can't even really see something massive at the back end.

The larger tank is already visible , and it would probably extend under the seat as well for a few extra litres , then there will also be fuel tanks behind the sidecovers for even more fuel .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 11:57:24 am
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally? 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2019, 12:01:14 pm
Found a replacement if Gonk retires

https://advrider.com/motogp-world-champion-marquez-to-ride-the-dakar/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 16, 2019, 12:02:25 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?
Eish jou onkunde wys nou lelik... all you have is the route sheet you prepare beforehand. Next you will be agast if they disqualify for having a gps... ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 12:03:20 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Don't see the point of your comment. This means the top guys have to do much less actually navigating because somme mapper they pay a lot of money will do all the work for them? So they'll re write their roadbooks every night.
The rules makes complete sense to me, I have no sympathy with Benavides for this.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 16, 2019, 12:03:45 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 16, 2019, 12:05:06 pm
Nee kyk hier is nou 'n klomp leunstoel organizers/officials nou op die draad... :snorting: :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 16, 2019, 12:07:24 pm
Never been an organiser and official have you? :sip:
Reading the R&R also helps... >:D
I'm crazy but not that crazy  ;)

You haven't been around long have you?
Nope and I'm already gatvol of their crap.  :lamer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 12:26:34 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 16, 2019, 12:27:11 pm
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

If I'm lazy with the shifting on my 690 I get false neutral between 5th and 6th gear.

That is a common 690/701 PIA that happens - stronger spring helps a bit as fitted on later models but still there (design fault?)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: RobC on January 16, 2019, 12:29:25 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
unfortunately for your gung ho type there are now rules and regulations... just like this forum... as you so often put it "kapishe" :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 16, 2019, 12:30:29 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
because back then you didn’t have professional “map men” whose job is to help you CHEAT!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: BiG DoM on January 16, 2019, 12:31:38 pm
Anyone know why Sam Sunderland got a 1hour penalty and Kevin Benavides got 3hours penalty for map fixing...?

It would be an insane feat if Toby gets the win with a fubar wrist.

I would be happy for any of the current top 3 to get the win as all 3 of them have been managing this race very well.

He didn't set off at his start time and was delayed by his irritrack having "a problem". It was, speculatively, a bit of gamesmanship...

He would have been first off the line and opening the course. As it happened, the Honda rider Florimo then had to open. As RB was still in the race, having a good navigator such as Sunderland open would have been to RB's advantage, now as RB was next down the track, he only had Florimo's lines. A distinct disadvantage.

Sunderland then set off 4th after being delayed and came 4th.

As a tactic, with the threat of Brabec very real, it seems KTM decided to sacrifice Sunderland to enhance Price and Walkers chances and reduce Brabecs at the same time. As it happened, Brabecs threat disappeared but they weren't to have known that.

Now normally, if you start late for your time, you pick up the penalty of only the time you were late by. The ASO however seems to think it was a little too fortuitous and have handed out an hour penalty for the infraction.

Sunderland will still be in the top 10.

There are far too many "rules" that leave room for interpretation on the side of both parties, the rider/team and the org alike - to my liking. In this example and as per your explanation (education to me) Sunderland/KTM could just as easily have had this issue legitimately as could they have faked it. With the org having the power to just decide what they 'feel' is actually going on it is so easy for the wrong call to get made.

Making decisions like that on the fly is bullshit imo. In this case, a rider who had a genuine chance at winning the entire event now has none because of this decision. In the very same breath the guidelines/rules as it stands seems to afford the opportunity for an exploit on the rider/team's part. Surely it is possible to have such grey areas better resolved prior to an event and more so in light of the fact that this is not the 1st, 3rd or even 30th Dakar Rally.

I bet it is a lot more tricky than it appears I am assuming it to be, but I also think it should easily be a lot better than this.

Every year I follow the Dakar the org seems to make decisions that has my jaw drop to the floor. The shockers so far this year for me is Nicola Dutto and crew receiving approval on multiple occasions from multiple org representatives to take a tarred road and then they get DQ'ed over it. Really? What in the actual fuck!? A truck and crew gets DQ'ed on the spot for not stopping to tend to an injured spectator they cause injury to... before checking into to see why they didn't stop. Turns out they never knew they even injured the guy until the end of the stage as they could not see or hear it. Too late, we already DQ'ed you; fuck your time, fuck your money and fuck your team, au revoir.

FROGS  :3some:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Rough Rider on January 16, 2019, 12:39:10 pm
Maybe a false neutral on the rev limiter causing engine overspeed resulting in floating valves and then piston smacking bottom of said valves.

Possible but how is a false neutral the riders fault? That means shitty shifting in the gearbox? So again honda design issue.

If I'm lazy with the shifting on my 690 I get false neutral between 5th and 6th gear.

That is a common 690/701 PIA that happens - stronger spring helps a bit as fitted on later models but still there (design fault?)

Yes I know; but I know how to avoid with with a more positive shift and or shift without the clutch.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 16, 2019, 12:50:20 pm
Ha! Mass starts again, batches of 10!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 12:52:00 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
because back then you didn’t have professional “map men” whose job is to help you CHEAT!

I get it, but the issue is not with your own maps then, but with getting 3rd party support for navigation.  that's what they must ban, not the maps...

Coma wanted to introduced navigation back into this event.  I fully support this.  we must however understand - as with yachting, navigation has gone the technology route.  But in order to get a yachting license a skipper must still proof his skill with compass and map, since technology can fail.

If you want to test navigation - embrace technology on the bikes (if memory serves me well it happened in 92 when the Dakar ended in cape town), but maybe only allow old-school navigation on the marathon days.  ban all use of 3rd party navigation support (not technology, a person doing it on behalf of the competitor) - since you are not testing the competitor's navigational skills (whether technology or map and compass), but that of a 3rd party doing it on behalf of the competitor

that's my point -- https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/peugeot-boss-slams-unsportsmanlike-dakar-rule-change-993096/1385529/ 

Peugeot bitching about banning technology navigation.  so Coma must be more precise - what navigation skill do you want to test:

1. old school map and compass
2. New technology
3. 3rd party navigational remote support
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 12:54:18 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
because back then you didn’t have professional “map men” whose job is to help you CHEAT!

so I guess if its his own maps and notes its must be ok? why not in the spirit of endurance racing?

if its notes and maps from a 3rd party - its cheating :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 12:59:56 pm
Kilroy either you're clueless about rally raid or you're being deliberate.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 01:01:44 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?

You a bit fast and loose there with WRC. As far as i know there is no navigation required in WRC. Just going as fast as possible. Dakar - at least in last two years try to preserve exactly that navigation aspect of the old times as much as possible in the era of fast technology.

Nobody was penalized for carrying a map. Tgey get penalized for detailed instructions to find shortcuts that a team of satelite images equiped pros came up with overnight, which tgey would not gave a chance ti see on any paper map - especially at speed. How was that done in an adventure race? Had they somebody in Sputnik beaming down detailed imagery of rios?


You must have been hibernating for few decades if you believe that daksr is adventure rally. Long are gone the days when you stumbled out of Mouken Rouge hungover  with filtrless Gaulouis Blue in the corner of your mouth, climbed on your xt500 and headed roughly south towards Lac Rose with bunch of similsrly hungover types.

But tge goid news is you can still do it - you just dont need Thierry Sabine to show you tge way - your phone will be just fine.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 16, 2019, 01:01:58 pm
He had maps taped to his tank, just in case they checked his road book (which they have been doing) and found cheat maps.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 01:07:09 pm
He had maps taped to his tank, just in case they checked his road book (which they have been doing) and found cheat maps.

Nope, no maps. Detailed instructions with points where to take shortcuts. How exactly would he achieve the same thing with map tgat isnt 20x20 meters big?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Welsh on January 16, 2019, 01:09:39 pm
He had maps taped to his tank, just in case they checked his road book (which they have been doing) and found cheat maps.

Nope, no maps. Detailed instructions with points where to take shortcuts. How exactly would he achieve the same thing with map tgat isnt 20x20 meters big?
yes, the term maps was a misnomer it was directions quite correct. 😎
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 01:12:44 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
because back then you didn’t have professional “map men” whose job is to help you CHEAT!

I get it, but the issue is not with your own maps then, but with getting 3rd party support for navigation.  that's what they must ban, not the maps...

Coma wanted to introduced navigation back into this event.  I fully support this.  we must however understand - as with yachting, navigation has gone the technology route.  But in order to get a yachting license a skipper must still proof his skill with compass and map, since technology can fail.

If you want to test navigation - embrace technology on the bikes (if memory serves me well it happened in 92 when the Dakar ended in cape town), but maybe only allow old-school navigation on the marathon days.  ban all use of 3rd party navigation support (not technology, a person doing it on behalf of the competitor) - since you are not testing the competitor's navigational skills (whether technology or map and compass), but that of a 3rd party doing it on behalf of the competitor

that's my point -- https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/peugeot-boss-slams-unsportsmanlike-dakar-rule-change-993096/1385529/ 

Peugeot bitching about banning technology navigation.  so Coma must be more precise - what navigation skill do you want to test:

1. old school map and compass
2. New technology
3. 3rd party navigational remote support

None of those.

The nav part of rally skill is following a roadbook. It's been this way for years. A roadbook is not a map. It's a puzzle to work through.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 01:15:11 pm
my point is that if he came about these navigational legal shortcuts by himself- he is a brilliant navigator and must be rewarded for it.  if he got it from a 3rd party its cheating?

The rule seems to state that only your formal navigation aids are allowed, iow you can't find your own shortcuts on your own maps?  the point is why, if the issue is to eradicate 3rd party navigation support?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 01:20:26 pm
so you are not allowed to take your maps or notes of the route? 

iow its a rally race?

The once proud legacy is now a rally?

Lost me Kilroy?  :peepwall:

in the old days Dakar was an adventure race.  no rally style roadbooks.  nobody would have disqualified you if you brought your mother's globetrotter map with.  just get there.  its now more like every WRC race?  why penalise an oke for taking his own map along?
because back then you didn’t have professional “map men” whose job is to help you CHEAT!

I get it, but the issue is not with your own maps then, but with getting 3rd party support for navigation.  that's what they must ban, not the maps...

Coma wanted to introduced navigation back into this event.  I fully support this.  we must however understand - as with yachting, navigation has gone the technology route.  But in order to get a yachting license a skipper must still proof his skill with compass and map, since technology can fail.

If you want to test navigation - embrace technology on the bikes (if memory serves me well it happened in 92 when the Dakar ended in cape town), but maybe only allow old-school navigation on the marathon days.  ban all use of 3rd party navigation support (not technology, a person doing it on behalf of the competitor) - since you are not testing the competitor's navigational skills (whether technology or map and compass), but that of a 3rd party doing it on behalf of the competitor

that's my point -- https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/peugeot-boss-slams-unsportsmanlike-dakar-rule-change-993096/1385529/ 

Peugeot bitching about banning technology navigation.  so Coma must be more precise - what navigation skill do you want to test:

1. old school map and compass
2. New technology
3. 3rd party navigational remote support

None of those.

The nav part of rally skill is following a roadbook. It's been this way for years. A roadbook is not a map. It's a puzzle to work through.

100% if that is the case - but don't they also use compass bearing on GPSs? CAP bearing? http://udel.edu/~cwasi/waypoints/Rally_Navigation.pdf

So what Coma was referring to when he said he wanted to bring navigation back to the Dakar was rally-like roadbooks instead of the more traditional or rather classical and I guess modern technology-enabled methods (like those the Peugeot team was developing).  so its more a case of roadbook standardisation than embracing navigational skills (of which roadbooks is only one)?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 01:22:12 pm
Except, exactly when you allow technology to navigate (tyat would be gps) you turn this into WRC when everybody just follows little arrow full taps brainlessly. How does that come even close to old dakar?

You going in circles here
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 01:31:45 pm
KR, with respect, you're leaping in here with little info. Cap headings are integral to the roadbook and working with them is and has always been part of the puzzle.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 01:39:14 pm
KR, with respect, you're leaping in here with little info. Cap headings are integral to the roadbook and working with them is and has always been part of the puzzle.

Yep, gps gives you the same cap headings you wouod get from compass. Apart from that it lts you know if you found waypoint or not, which eliminates need to have manned waypoints (which i think made old dakar easier as you could see tge people while now you have no idea where tge wp is until you reach it and it lights up on gps.

That is it - no different to old times (except of course it makes your recovery in emergency much easier, but that is probably iritrack)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: KiLRoy on January 16, 2019, 01:48:39 pm
Except, exactly when you allow technology to navigate (tyat would be gps) you turn this into WRC when everybody just follows little arrow full taps brainlessly. How does that come even close to old dakar?

You going in circles here

im not going anywhere - I'm try to ascertain if they are afraid of technology or of 3rd party navigation?

if about 3rd party navigation support - why allow team members/support crew to help prep roadbooks
if about technology - why provide CAP bearings via GPS?

I 100% agree with the fact that nobody wants to see this event following a WRC brainless arrow format.  Instead it seems to follow a one-dimensional roadbook only format.  I always thought navigation was more than this?

Kamanya - my point is navigation (old school and new without 3rd party support) is much more than roadbooks.  It seems KB got penalised for having his own maps/directions instead of excepting 3rd party navigational help.  the former must be encouraged (if you want to encourage proper navigation) and the latter must get eradicated for all forms of navigation.

but alas - I sense people not seeing this, so I'll retreat to watch from a distance before anyone seize a (Honda) motor...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 01:51:22 pm
Instead it seems to follow a one-dimensional roadbook only format.

If you think roadbook nav is one dimensional, you might have some research to do.

Stop thinking of the CAP as a gps. It is basically only a digital compass, nothing more. It doesn't have an arrow showing you where to go. You need to use it just like a normal handheld compass.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 02:01:04 pm
And they're on the stage. The second group obviously having a much easier ride to Wp1.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Xpat on January 16, 2019, 02:01:44 pm
??? This was always roadbook rally. So how does keeping it that way make it different?

I already explained cap heading - it is compass nothing more. You keep acting like it gives them something more - ir does not.

And  we already discussed unavilability of detailed satellite imagery until recently. How exactly would you control if the imagery was done by you or 3rd party? There are plenty of mustacioned men that can drop you little private map along tge way. And how is tgat exactly in the spirit of ‘adventure rally?

I for one believe that return to proper rallybook off piste navigational rally under Coma made last two years exciting again. The prior years mostly on piste routes were getting boring and too wrc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kortbroek on January 16, 2019, 02:05:01 pm
Looking at the overall standings from yesterday, Ross is only about 1min20 away from getting a top 10 finish. That is absolutely phenomenal for a first time at the dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Dutchie on January 16, 2019, 02:13:15 pm
Looking at the overall standings from yesterday, Ross is only about 1min20 away from getting a top 10 finish. That is absolutely phenomenal for a first time at the dakar.

This reminds me so much of Riaan van Niekerk's first outing.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
Post by: Kamanya on January 16, 2019, 02:14:23 pm
Except, exactly when you allow technology to navigate (tyat would be gps) you turn this into WRC when everybody just follows little arrow full taps brainlessly. How does that come even close to old dakar?

You going in circles here

im not going anywhere - I'm try to ascertain if they are afraid of technology or of 3rd party navigation?

if about 3rd party navigation support - why allow team members/support crew to help prep roadbooks
if about technology - why provide CAP bearings via GPS?

I 100% agree with the fact that nobody wants to see this event following a WRC brainless arrow format.  Instead it seems to follow a one-dimensional roadbook only format.  I always thought navigation was more than this?

Kamanya - my point is navigation (old school and new without 3rd party support) is much more than roadbooks.  It seems KB got penalised for having his own maps/directions instead of excepting 3rd party navigational help.  the former must be encouraged (if you want to encourage proper navigation) and the latter must get eradicated for all forms of navigation.

but alas - I sense people not seeing this, so I'll retreat to watch f