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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => KTM LC4 400/610/640 & 690 => Topic started by: Bie on December 04, 2018, 01:18:35 pm

Title: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 04, 2018, 01:18:35 pm
Excluding small farm bikes I have been bikeless for a few years now. My farming setup has changed dramatically and I am contemplating getting a mid sized bike to move between farms and check waters etc. Running cost of a bakkie vs a bike is key here. The 800 I had just did not have the suspension to cope with ultra rocky 2spoor roads and the 950S was a bit heavy and geared too tall, plus there was hardly a fuel saving.
I have been warned about reliability issues with the 690, but I have not completely closed the door on them, yet...

Those who have or had one, what is your view on the bike, did it give you trouble, how did it stack up against other brands and will you buy it again. Use will be 80% gravel and 50% of that on small rocky 2spoor farm tracks.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Rough Rider on December 04, 2018, 01:21:50 pm
According to Ryan FortNine this is the perfect farm bike. After watching this I even want one and I don't even have a farm  :snorting:

Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 04, 2018, 01:27:16 pm
I am afraid the TW200 will not be to my liking. I have a 200 Honda as we speak. Distance between farms about 100km, 20 of which is tar and having had a powerful bike before the 200 just dont cut it anymore. On the farm itself it will be fine, but not the ideal compromise to tick all boxes.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: chopperpilot on December 04, 2018, 01:30:39 pm
Suzuki DR 650 SE, is an affordable and reliable option. ;)

I would go Japanese, although I own two orange ones. :o
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on December 04, 2018, 02:03:51 pm
XT660Z or DR650.

Cannot think that a 690R will be cheaper to run than a bakkie.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on December 04, 2018, 02:12:25 pm
XT660Z or DR650.

Cannot think that a 690R will be cheaper to run than a bakkie.
XT660R of as jy n netjiese XT600E kan kry ook goeie opsie.
As jy wil min petrol gooi, kry n 650 Dakar. Met jou skills loop hy maklik op jou plaas paadjies. Hy sal die gerieflikste wees tussen die plase. :deal:
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Dwerg on December 04, 2018, 02:16:19 pm
XT660Z or DR650.

Cannot think that a 690R will be cheaper to run than a bakkie.

What magical bakkie are we talking here?? Tupperware?

You give some good options but that last sentence is a little wtf
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on December 04, 2018, 02:31:38 pm
You give some good options but that last sentence is a little wtf

Ek praat nou nie top of the line 3 liter diesel met leer seats en moerse BFG's nie. Single cab petrol of so iets. Hoeveel 690 bande gaan jy op ry voor 'n ligte bakkie 'n stel kort? Verekering? Belasting? Dienste?

DInk dit gaan baie nader wees as wat mens dink.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Dwerg on December 04, 2018, 02:59:29 pm
Hang seker maar af wat die single cab se petrol verbruik is maar 8km/l teen 20km/l is 'n R12k verskil oor een diens periode net in petrol koste
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Buff on December 04, 2018, 03:08:20 pm
JUST DO IT  :thumleft: You'll have so much fun on a 690 your daily commute will turn into 250km's because you'll be looking for an excuse to ride more  :ricky:
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Blender on December 04, 2018, 04:51:49 pm
JUST DO IT  :thumleft: You'll have so much fun on a 690 your daily commute will turn into 250km's because you'll be looking for an excuse to ride more  :ricky:

ditto...
Sure, it's not the most comfortable, cheap or ... dare I say it, reliable bike out there!
I have another bike, and then I have the 690!!!  >:D
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: aka.Goliath on December 04, 2018, 04:56:57 pm
Yes the 690 give trouble. Any more than other brands I doubt it. In saying that I would suggest a 2014 or younger the smoother motor and crisp ride-by-wore throttle make a nice difference. I'd throw a large tank on and a wind shield and be done with it. Out of the bikes mentioned so far it's the only one I'd consider.

Off the top of my head these are the issues I've had.

Airbox needs lots of grease to seal - simple enough to fix
Seat pan likes to break of you lose the rubber feet
Fuel pump doesn't like dirty fuel - inline filter and one of the filter bag you put in the neck of the tank, sorted
I changed the rocker arms at 23,000km as a precaution.
My speedo stopped working twice, once  after being kept in a very damp storeroom for 3 moths and once after a proper drowning.

I love riding my 690, it's the bike I've had the longest and have had the most adventures on. Is it the going to suit what you want from it 100%? No! Will it do it well however and other trips and put a smile on your face every time you ride it l? Yes!!
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Amsterdam on December 04, 2018, 05:09:44 pm
I personally think all this talk about reliability issues is somewhat exaggerated.  The breaking of the saddles is not, those are bad.  As are the indicators, I swear you can break those by giving them a nasty look.  But, buy the 2019 model and the breaking saddle problem is gone (and I think the indicator nonsense too) and you will have a great bike.  By writing them off based on hearsay you will do yourself a great disservice.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 04, 2018, 05:59:22 pm
Running cost of a bakkie vs a bike is key here

CRF230F, unbeatable for reliability and cost.

You're considering what?????
Hey, I like them, got a 701 even, but don't sprout nonsense when you ask advice  ;)
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: zacapa on December 04, 2018, 08:41:38 pm
This is the bike you need.

Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Offshore on December 04, 2018, 08:51:51 pm
Love those Headlights. :thumleft:
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: geopat on December 05, 2018, 12:52:19 am
The problems.with the 690 are  well documented and if you are willing to take the time to properly look after your bike and get to know how she runs and what she needs you will be rewarded with performance that no other bike in that class can touch hell Id say nothing even comes close just treat her right and she will blow your mind
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 05, 2018, 11:16:48 am
The problems.with the 690 are  well documented and if you are willing to take the time to properly look after your bike and get to know how she runs and what she needs you will be rewarded with performance that no other bike in that class can touch hell Id say nothing even comes close just treat her right and she will blow your mind

She..
she...
she..
she will blow..

I always find it ludicrous that a dude refers to his bike, a fire breathing hooligan thing in this case, as female.... but your latter rings somewhat familiar.
If I may ask, you like riding her?  :tongue3:
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Buff on December 05, 2018, 02:09:34 pm
All my bikes have been She's, it's just wrong riding a He... well IMHO  :o
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Blikkies1 on December 05, 2018, 02:22:25 pm
I'd have a look into a Yammie WR450 for this application, just gotta check shims every 10 hours and it'll last forever.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Omninorm on December 05, 2018, 03:05:44 pm
Just get the 690 and thank us later.

Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: geopat on December 05, 2018, 05:50:37 pm
The problems.with the 690 are  well documented and if you are willing to take the time to properly look after your bike and get to know how she runs and what she needs you will be rewarded with performance that no other bike in that class can touch hell Id say nothing even comes close just treat her right and she will blow your mind

She..
she...
she..
she will blow..

I always find it ludicrous that a dude refers to his bike, a fire breathing hooligan thing in this case, as female.... but your latter rings somewhat familiar.
If I may ask, you like riding her?  :tongue3:

I'm a guy and I love my bike there for it must be a she  I give her loads of gentle love and attention before the ride but when I climb aboard it's wild and dangerous as it should be with bikes and women
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 05, 2018, 06:49:19 pm
when I climb aboard it's wild and dangerous as it should be with bikes and women

Yeah, we all have fantasies and fetishes, but seeing this is a public forum perhaps also scrounged through by some minors I'll not go there, I will keep myself unbanned  :imaposer:
But we agree, sortof: we both enjoy our bikes!  :thumleft:
Mine definitely are male things though, testosterone fuelled otherwise they're not fun... and if that makes me a (censored lol) then so be it, I'm old enough already  ;)
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 05, 2018, 06:50:06 pm
Just get the 690 and thank us later.

That's what the OP wants to hear I agree: Go Git One Bru!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 05, 2018, 06:57:00 pm
Just get the 690 and thank us later.

That's what the OP wants to hear I agree: Go Git One Bru!  :thumleft:

Fark, not sure if that is what I want to hear. Not that I cannot go without it, to a great degree an itch. If only it will rain, then these things will not be measured in terms of bales of feed I could have bought.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Welsh on December 05, 2018, 07:06:16 pm
For what you described, I said KTM 500? 8)
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on December 05, 2018, 07:41:46 pm
Bie, I think itís totally the wrong bike for your application.  Itís uncomfortable (seat wise) and it wants to be ridden hard.  I donít know your riding style, but itís the bike I owned the shortest of all of them.  Wonít go into all the detail since thereís obviously a couple of guys here that really loves them, and thatís great.  :thumleft:

If I was in your shoes, Iíd be looking at a Honda XR650L.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 05, 2018, 07:51:15 pm
I have actually been looking at the XR650L and I like it. The XT660Z is also a contender
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 05, 2018, 09:37:27 pm
I have actually been looking at the XR650L and I like it. The XT660Z is also a contender

Ah, an unmeasurable change of direction however lacking any urgent sense of movement...... how about an Ural, or a Dnepr?
Both can be bought without sidecar, just in case.....  :P
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 05, 2018, 09:39:26 pm
Nahh, sidecarts dont do it for me, but you seem to be a fan.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Omninorm on December 06, 2018, 06:34:46 pm
He is right though...if you are considering a xt660 - the 690 is a completely different animal.

You can look at my post history Bie...I was a naysayer of the 690 reliability...the only reason I didn't buy one.... kept on and on and on about it since I also read the horror stories...till one day when I thought all of these fools here says it's the bike to have...they can't all be wrong...and if they are then well I can go I told you so and put the reckord straight.
I bought the bike. If you cut me now I'll bleed orange. Their bikes are just somethign different.

Nothing came close to this bike for my riding style. It's had 8000km of fantastic riding. I've ridden it harder and in more varied terrain than just about any bike I have owned and it asks for more every time.  Just sitting shy of the 10 000km/1 year service. So will need to take it in for a service this month iirc.
Not one single issue and it was 8000km of pure unadulterated fun on that bike. Now given 8000km is'nt much but in my research but the 2 or so issues that could come up is R2000 or so to fix the rocker arms if you buy a pre 2015 bike. 2017 and up preferable... and then the fuel pump some say gives issues. Among the few of us that has a few different model years, not one has had a fuel pump issue. Do the rocker arms as a service item every 30 000km service and you won't have issues. (Also what Lyndonn Poskit reckons and his bike has 0ver 230 00km's on so i suppose he knows a thing or two about the engine - he has droped in a 720 kit in his etc as well :D)




Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 06, 2018, 06:45:58 pm
Due to reliability concerns etc, I was sort of set on a xr650l, now this again...
Maybe I should just leave it for a while to get clarity. Carlo, maybe put it on ice a bit to make up my mind. Dont think I was ever this undecided.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: BuRP on December 06, 2018, 06:56:59 pm
I just read Omnihorn's reply..... and recognize myself somewhat.
Not a KTM man me, thus no Husqvarna dude either - until I saw the 701 in the flesh on a showroom somewhere.
Loved it at first sight so did some homework, and found many many posts, of course also on the 690.
The word 'hooligan' is often used, but this is of course because the KTM-owners like to brag ..... right?
Ride one yourself and you'll know at the end of the street what I mean, and yes, I'm with them now: this is a hooligan bike uit-ge-knip!
I've got two XR650R's, and yes, awesome bikes them.
Bit tame now in comparison...
You're considering an XR650L ? ? ?
My bru jy's deurmekaar!
Ride a 690 or 701, then start thinking!
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: 4 stroke freak on December 08, 2018, 11:40:53 pm
Bie my 2cents to you is test drive before you buy. I've never ridden a 690 until a week ago. Now I bought one. It's surprisingly light and a ton of fun to ride. If you want a fast bike then this is it but like I said try ride all of them 1st before you decide.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: AAK on December 19, 2018, 02:52:05 pm
Bie jy toe al 'n bike gekoop???

Ek boer ook en my settup klink dieselfde as joune. Het 2 stukkies huurggrond, albei so 70-90 km van my huis af. Die ideaal sal wees om 2 bikes te he, 'n 650 en 'n grootter bike bv 990/1200. Ek gebruik tans my 950S om na die plekke te ry en waters te kyk ens. Vir die oop grondpad is die 950 ideaal, dink nie jy gaan beter kry om waarheid te se. Maar vir veldpaaie is 950 bietjie overkill en veral in somer raak bike warm, inteendeel enige water-cooled bike gaan warm raak in die toestande. Ek het 'n XR650R gehad en sodra dinge stadig raak op slegte terrein het XR ook warm geraak.

My keuse sal wees die XR650L vir 2 redes. Dis air-cooled en dis 'n baie eenvoudige/betroubare bike. Ek moet vrek ver ry om stukkende bike by dealer/betroubare mechanic te  kry.  En jy gaan paar duisend rand spaar waarmee jy kan voer koop. OK dis 3 redes.

maar....... jy gaan bored raak met die XRL. Daar is ongelukkig nie iets soos 'n "do it all bike" nie.

my 2 sente


Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: ZK1 on December 19, 2018, 03:03:21 pm
I have actually been looking at the XR650L and I like it. The XT660Z is also a contender
For me, I would take the XR650L above the XT660Z, had the Z and for me, riding single track and some rough terrain, the XR650 is just sooo much lighter and easier to handle.

If I know now what i do I would have bought the XR above the XT, and maybe still would have had a bike. Much cheaper as well.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: ZK1 on December 19, 2018, 03:07:00 pm
Buuuut, if I could chose a bike, it would be the 701 and then the 690, then XR650 then XT660z
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 19, 2018, 03:18:12 pm
Yes, I have found and bought one. Decided on XR650L and happy with it so far.
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: ZK1 on December 19, 2018, 03:25:41 pm
Lekke, enjoy!
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Omninorm on December 21, 2018, 04:43:43 pm
Enjoy it Bie. Goeie bike daai....maar jy gaan terug kom 690 toe.... en dan gaan jy dink. NEEEEEE hoekom het ek dit nie TOE al gedoen nie ;)
Maar enjoy jou XR650L en many happy KM's
Title: Re: 690R, the good, the bad, the ugly
Post by: Bie on December 21, 2018, 05:07:17 pm
Thanks OH. Ek koop hom amper as n commuter tussen plase, so ek dink hy sal werk vir my. Eendag as ek groot is koop ek weer n morsige bike.  ;D