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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => BMW 1200/ADV => Topic started by: Frodo7011 on March 09, 2019, 10:00:19 pm

Title: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter. Problem Sorted, not anymore!
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 09, 2019, 10:00:19 pm
Good day everyone. I need some help please. I installed a new hooter today on my bike. It's one of those that uses a small compressor. Got everything connected and it works... sort of. The problem is, it only gives one blast. Then I have to switch off the ignition and back on for it to give only one blast again. I installed it using a relay, so it should be working properly. Anyone that can please advise what may be wrong?
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Jughead on March 09, 2019, 10:58:13 pm
Good day everyone. I need some help please. I installed a new hooter today on my bike. It's one of those that uses a small compressor. Got everything connected and it works... sort of. The problem is, it only gives one blast. Then I have to switch off the ignition and back on for it to give only one blast again. I installed it using a relay, so it should be working properly. Anyone that can please advise what may be wrong?

How did you connect it?  Post a diagram for me.

You should use the existing hooter wiring to trigger the relay only.  Then a feed directly from the battery, through the switched relay contacts to the new shooter.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 10, 2019, 09:26:44 am
I connected the relay connector 86 and 85 to the existing wires of the old hooter. 30 I connected to the positive on the battery. And 87 I connected to the negative of the battery.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 10, 2019, 10:31:05 am
did you remove/disconnect the old hooter?
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 10, 2019, 10:39:15 am
Yes. Old hooter was removed.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 10, 2019, 10:47:05 am
Yes. Old hooter was removed.

I think that's your problem - the electronics is probably looking for a load of around 3-5A and now only sees the relay load of around 50mA and thinks the hooter is broken and disables the circuit
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 10, 2019, 10:50:13 am
Yes. Old hooter was removed.

I think that's your problem - the electronics is probably looking for a load of around 3-5A and now only sees the relay load of around 50mA and thinks the hooter is broken and disables the circuit

Thank you. Will try connecting it again and see what happens.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 10, 2019, 11:07:48 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2019, 11:30:10 am
Yes. Old hooter was removed.

I think that's your problem - the electronics is probably looking for a load of around 3-5A and now only sees the relay load of around 50mA and thinks the hooter is broken and disables the circuit

+1
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 21, 2019, 07:07:16 am
Yes. Old hooter was removed.

I think that's your problem - the electronics is probably looking for a load of around 3-5A and now only sees the relay load of around 50mA and thinks the hooter is broken and disables the circuit

Ok so I finally got time. Old hooter was connected again. Same issue. One blast and then silence...
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 21, 2019, 07:52:16 pm
try disconnecting the compressor from the battery and only power the old hooter and relay?


.... and if the error is still there, disconnect the relay (then you should be back to standard without errors)
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 22, 2019, 03:21:50 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Jughead on March 22, 2019, 05:31:12 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

That is exactly what I said in reply no:1  Go back and read it.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 22, 2019, 07:03:56 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

not sure I follow - then you have basically replaced the original hooter with a relay and connected the original hooter through the relay contacts and a fuse to the battery - so your bike electronics will only see a relay as its hooter? except if " to the hooter" means the new hooter and the original hooter is left connected?
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Manic on March 22, 2019, 07:40:06 pm
Canbus kicks it out, same way it kicks out a compressor if you want to run it via the stock lighter socket.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Jughead on March 23, 2019, 08:23:26 am
Canbus kicks it out, same way it kicks out a compressor if you want to run it via the stock lighter socket.

Not if it is wired correctly
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: BiG DoM on March 23, 2019, 08:49:44 am
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

So this was the solution?
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 24, 2019, 12:34:56 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

That is exactly what I said in reply no:1  Go back and read it.

I am not the most technically inclined.... Sorry if I misunderstood.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 24, 2019, 05:08:18 pm
Just finished the rewiring. Everything is working now. Thank you everyone for your input and assistance.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: BiG DoM on March 24, 2019, 05:29:38 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

So this is what you did, just for confirmation?  ::)
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Bundu on March 24, 2019, 07:59:41 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

So this is what you did, just for confirmation?  ::)

I don't think the world will ever know  ;)
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter
Post by: Frodo7011 on March 27, 2019, 12:50:24 pm
Ok. Someone from a different forum suggested the following....

"In other words.....put the original hooter wires on 86 and 85. 30 straight from battery positive via a fuse. 87 to the hooter. Open terminal on hooter goes to earth on the clamp"

Will try this and let you all know.

So this is what you did, just for confirmation?  ::)

Yebo Yes
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter. Problem Sorted!
Post by: Frodo7011 on April 01, 2019, 02:26:19 pm
Ok so the hooter worked for one day only... It is back to giving one short blast and then dying until ignition is switched off and on... FFS
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter. Problem Sorted!
Post by: BiG DoM on April 26, 2019, 07:29:05 pm
Ok so the hooter worked for one day only... It is back to giving one short blast and then dying until ignition is switched off and on... FFS

It is tripping the CANBUS.
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter. Problem Sorted, not anymore!
Post by: Mikie on April 27, 2019, 09:36:09 am
How did you even find space for the compressor??
I gave up on that idea, went to a scrap yard, got myself 2 low and high air horn from an audi (Merc, BMW or VW will work too)
Never had any issues
Title: Re: Advice needed - installation of aftermarket Hooter. Problem Sorted, not anymore!
Post by: JABO on April 27, 2019, 05:23:47 pm
I think you native feed is maybe still running through the canbus and pulling to much amps.
Only use the positive wire from the original hooter to activate the relay on pin 86.
The rest is all directly from the battery.
Pin 85 should be grounded or connected directly to battery negative.
The new hooter positive will be connected to pin 30 and negative also grounded or directly to battery negative.

Attached simple diagram.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190427/adb1227bee83c87d2ed4b973c3d29fdb.jpg)