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Title: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 28, 2019, 10:15:50 am
I have a confession to make. After almost 10 years of riding the blue propeller, I have turned to the dark side.
Cycleworld has named the 2018 KTM 1090 Adventure R as Best Adventure Bike for the second year in a row - how could I not oblige? :peepwall:

The KTM 1090 Adventure R wins the title of Cycle World’s Best Adventure motorcycle for the second year in a row  - https://www.cycleworld.com/best-adventure-bike-2018-ktm-1090-adventure-r

So, who rides one? What are your impressions?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Herklaas on May 28, 2019, 10:23:10 am
 :sip: Took you a long time to see the light, hey? Hope you fit a Booster Plug  :bueller: :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on May 28, 2019, 10:58:28 am
haha I saw you subscribing to a lot of KTM threads and wondered!

Take it that's you bike? If so congrats!
And some more pics?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Noneking on May 28, 2019, 01:22:54 pm
I bought a 1090 R a year ago. It had some issues and was replaced by KTM with a brand new one. At the time I think it was R163k new and a bargain in my opinion, with only AT competing on price. Now price is up considerably to allow the 790 to slot in below it.

An extremely capable bike. I sold my 990 to get it and was very happy. More power, better brakes, better fuel consumption and much better suspension!  It is however top heavy compared to 990 and it is quite tall as well.

I still think there is no real competition for it in its class (weight, suspension, price and HP)

PS. Mine is for sale in the Buy and sell section

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on May 28, 2019, 01:51:24 pm
Possibly my next ADV bike so im hear to read :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Lear300 on May 28, 2019, 02:37:05 pm
I bought mine brand new in Oct / November 2017. Absolutely love it. Very capable and loads of fun.
I only have one complaint......the seat gets a little hard on the longer journeys, other than that.......WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 29, 2019, 11:08:53 am
Thanks Gents

Bike is still in transport from Jhb with Millies Bike Transport, so I don't have it in the flesh yet. I made the mistake to take a 1090 Adv for a ride earlier this year and it grew on me. Also rode the 790 and new F850GS but the 1090 was the one that kept lingering. The time will tell, but from reviews, it looks like a winner.

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 29, 2019, 11:10:31 am
I bought mine brand new in Oct / November 2017. Absolutely love it. Very capable and loads of fun.
I only have one complaint......the seat gets a little hard on the longer journeys, other than that.......WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
The F800GS also have a hard seat. For this a beaded seat cover was the solution.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 29, 2019, 11:14:16 am
I bought a 1090 R a year ago. It had some issues and was replaced by KTM with a brand new one. At the time I think it was R163k new and a bargain in my opinion, with only AT competing on price. Now price is up considerably to allow the 790 to slot in below it.

An extremely capable bike. I sold my 990 to get it and was very happy. More power, better brakes, better fuel consumption and much better suspension!  It is however top heavy compared to 990 and it is quite tall as well.

I still think there is no real competition for it in its class (weight, suspension, price and HP)

PS. Mine is for sale in the Buy and sell section

Top heavy - I saw that in reviews, but so is the F800GS, so I am used to it. I am 2m tall, so no problems with reaching. It will be interesting to see how the height adjustable foot pegs and reach adjustable handlebars work though...
I bought a 2018 with 1600 km on the clock for R167500, so happy with the price. Zambezi had a demo with 3000km for R160000...
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Noneking on May 29, 2019, 11:16:36 am
I bought a 1090 R a year ago. It had some issues and was replaced by KTM with a brand new one. At the time I think it was R163k new and a bargain in my opinion, with only AT competing on price. Now price is up considerably to allow the 790 to slot in below it.

An extremely capable bike. I sold my 990 to get it and was very happy. More power, better brakes, better fuel consumption and much better suspension!  It is however top heavy compared to 990 and it is quite tall as well.

I still think there is no real competition for it in its class (weight, suspension, price and HP)

PS. Mine is for sale in the Buy and sell section

Top heavy - I saw that in reviews, but so is the F800GS, so I am used to it. I am 2m tall, so no problems with reaching. It will be interesting to see how the height adjustable foot pegs and reach adjustable handlebars work though...
I bought a 2018 with 1600 km on the clock for R167500, so happy with the price. Zambezi had a demo with 3000km for R160000...


That’s a very good deal, congrats!

Ja, at 2m you’ll feel like you’re on a scooter. Awesome!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Lear300 on May 29, 2019, 11:48:39 am
Welcome to Team orange......we KNOW you will enjoy your stay :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on May 29, 2019, 05:18:13 pm
Congrats Roodt  :thumleft:  I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike - the whole 1*90 range are lovely bikes
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 29, 2019, 06:43:56 pm
Congrats Roodt  :thumleft:  I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike - the whole 1*90 range are lovely bikes
It is your fault Hagen! You started this - it was only a matter of time :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on May 29, 2019, 07:58:19 pm
Congrats Roodt  :thumleft:  I'm sure you'll enjoy the bike - the whole 1*90 range are lovely bikes
It is your fault Hagen! You started this - it was only a matter of time :ricky:

I've had zero shit with my bike and now have it longer than any previous bike... 4 years! Love it to bits! Best bike I've owned, without any doubt!
You're a big oke..... 1290 next  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on May 30, 2019, 11:40:34 am
Anyone come across a comparative spec sheet for 10/11/12/90?

1190R becoming affordable now for cash buys.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on May 30, 2019, 02:00:27 pm
Anyone come across a comparative spec sheet for 10/11/12/90?

1190R becoming affordable now for cash buys.


What do you want to know?  They're basically identical but for a few small details:
125hp  1090
150hp  1190
160hp  1290

The 1090 doesn't have tyre pressure monitoring or a side stand as stock (that the 1190 does have). Normal indicators instead of 1190 LEDs as well. DOES have updated suspension compared to the 1190s.  It also has stronger rims than the 1190s from 13-15 (2016s had the stronger rims and a intermediate update on the rear shock)

1290 has EVERYTHING (all the same updates as the 1090) as well as the TFT dash, bluetooth integration with your phone. Cruise control. lean sensing headlight etc.
 Option to add quick shift, hill hold control and ASR (kind of an electronic slipped clutch....but it already has a mechanical slipper clutch so why??)



Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on May 30, 2019, 02:51:57 pm
Anyone come across a comparative spec sheet for 10/11/12/90?

1190R becoming affordable now for cash buys.
What do you want to know?  They're basically identical but for a few small details:
125hp  1090
150hp  1190
160hp  1290

The 1090 doesn't have tyre pressure monitoring or a side stand as stock (that the 1190 does have). Normal indicators instead of 1190 LEDs as well. DOES have updated suspension compared to the 1190s.  It also has stronger rims than the 1190s from 13-15 (2016s had the stronger rims and a intermediate update on the rear shock)

1290 has EVERYTHING (all the same updates as the 1090) as well as the TFT dash, bluetooth integration with your phone. Cruise control. lean sensing headlight etc.
 Option to add quick shift, hill hold control and ASR (kind of an electronic slipped clutch....but it already has a mechanical slipper clutch so why??)


nice summary

1190 vs 1090
1190 also had the oil temp sensor and a 12V socket
Not side stand, 1090 does not have centre stand, both have side stand
the 1090 is 12lb lighter, half of that is weight in the engine (lighter flywheel), other half is the centre stand.
All doesn't matter though, those non LED indicators look crap, even my 2008 GS had LED indicators.

the 1290 lean sensing headlight is not on the R models. Nice feature that.

Somewhere they got self-cancelling indicators also, don't know when.

Maybe someone here knows about the 790 rims. I thought its the same, the Akronts?
The initial shitty 1190 rim was a Saxxes until KTM swopped to Akront in 2016, a lot stronger.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on May 30, 2019, 02:53:45 pm
Anyone come across a comparative spec sheet for 10/11/12/90?

1190R becoming affordable now for cash buys.
What do you want to know?  They're basically identical but for a few small details:
125hp  1090
150hp  1190
160hp  1290

The 1090 doesn't have tyre pressure monitoring or a side stand as stock (that the 1190 does have). Normal indicators instead of 1190 LEDs as well. DOES have updated suspension compared to the 1190s.  It also has stronger rims than the 1190s from 13-15 (2016s had the stronger rims and a intermediate update on the rear shock)

1290 has EVERYTHING (all the same updates as the 1090) as well as the TFT dash, bluetooth integration with your phone. Cruise control. lean sensing headlight etc.
 Option to add quick shift, hill hold control and ASR (kind of an electronic slipped clutch....but it already has a mechanical slipper clutch so why??)


nice summary

1190 vs 1090
1190 also had the oil temp sensor and a 12V socket
Not side stand, 1090 does not have centre stand, both have side stand
the 1090 is 12lb lighter, half of that is weight in the engine (lighter flywheel), other half is the centre stand.
All doesn't matter though, those non LED indicators look crap, even my 2008 GS had LED indicators.

the 1290 lean sensing headlight is not on the R models. Nice feature that.

Somewhere they got self-cancelling indicators also, don't know when.

Maybe someone here knows about the 790 rims. I thought its the same, the Akronts?
The initial shitty 1190 rim was a Saxxes until KTM swopped to Akront in 2016, a lot stronger.

Sorry, yes of course I meant centre stand :biggrin:

The 1290 R also has lean sensing headlight :thumleft:  It's just integrated into the headlight and not separate like on the 1290T
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 30, 2019, 05:37:03 pm
Does the 1090 come with a steering damper?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Noneking on May 30, 2019, 05:40:19 pm
Does the 1090 come with a steering damper?

Yes
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on May 31, 2019, 04:08:39 pm
Great!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on June 03, 2019, 09:57:26 am
Anyone come across a comparative spec sheet for 10/11/12/90?

1190R becoming affordable now for cash buys.


What do you want to know?  They're basically identical but for a few small details:
125hp  1090
150hp  1190
160hp  1290

The 1090 doesn't have tyre pressure monitoring or a side stand as stock (that the 1190 does have). Normal indicators instead of 1190 LEDs as well. DOES have updated suspension compared to the 1190s.  It also has stronger rims than the 1190s from 13-15 (2016s had the stronger rims and a intermediate update on the rear shock)

1290 has EVERYTHING (all the same updates as the 1090) as well as the TFT dash, bluetooth integration with your phone. Cruise control. lean sensing headlight etc.
 Option to add quick shift, hill hold control and ASR (kind of an electronic slipped clutch....but it already has a mechanical slipper clutch so why??)

Info like this is golden.

Mostly wanted to know power VS weight.

I know the 1090 has better suspension from what ive gathered but not sure what exactly changed.
2016 onwards 1190 could then also be an option if the weight was only a few KG's which you will make up in extras most likely.
Very interesting that the 1290 only has 10hp more than the 1190.

What does the dongle do to these stock figures on the 3 bikes if anyone knows?  I had the 09/10 990R and it was no speed daemon but more than enough to go around. :3some:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 03, 2019, 10:06:39 am
The 1x90 is faster than a late model 990 in off-road mode already.

The 1090 front has stiffer spring, not to sure about revalving. Rear same but with pds added.

What dingle are you referring to? No dingle changes these figures that I know off
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 03, 2019, 10:10:11 am
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on June 03, 2019, 10:15:49 am
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.

Very german like to make you pay just to use basic functions in a logical manner.

Mercedes comes to mind, whilst pricing a GLA for the wife R16700 for leather on the steering wheel.  "Ok ill take one without leather . . . . "  whichturns out is not an option, so basically their cars are ***From 199K with T&C's but you have to buy wheels, hand brake, windows, a steering wheel . . . .
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 03, 2019, 10:16:33 am
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.


It also has that bad fuel fueling map. Think it sets you to be able to run on 85 octane.
Think that could be the reason behind the question but don't see how it will make a change. I also have one and didn't feel a difference.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 03, 2019, 10:21:28 am
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.

Very german like to make you pay just to use basic functions in a logical manner.

Mercedes comes to mind, whilst pricing a GLA for the wife R16700 for leather on the steering wheel.  "Ok ill take one without leather . . . . "  whichturns out is not an option, so basically their cars are ***From 199K with T&C's but you have to buy wheels, hand brake, windows, a steering wheel . . . .

Wait till you have to pay R5500 for them to "turn on" the quickshifter on a 1290.   That still pisses me off.  Everything is there, inside the bike already, but you have to pay to use it.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on June 03, 2019, 10:21:41 am
It also has that bad fuel fueling map. Think it sets you to be able to run on 85 octane.
Think that could be the reason behind the question but don't see how it will make a change. I also have one and didn't feel a difference.

On an entire other note the US fuel has different octane ratings.  (RON vs OCTANE)

Octane rating conversions
EURO RON   MON   US: (R+M)/2
92                    85                 88.5
95                    87                  91
96                    88                  92
98                  90                   94

But yes, perfect for "Africa or Bad fuel"
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Tman21 on June 03, 2019, 10:23:40 am

Wait till you have to pay R5500 for them to "turn on" the quickshifter on a 1290.   That still pisses me off.  Everything is there, inside the bike already, but you have to pay to use it.

Haha, same for Volvo D3/4/5/Polestar

But in our industry we do the same.  EURO 6,550 to activate a license that the instrument does and gets calibrated on before installation.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 03, 2019, 10:42:02 am
Need to pay for self canceling indicators as well. But think that became standard in later years
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Lear300 on June 03, 2019, 12:32:20 pm
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.

In theory, yes, but I have found that if I use the kill switch, the bike reverts back to the "normal" settings. A bit annoying if you don't check and find yourself pinning it down a dirt road with ROAD ABS on.

If you use the ignition, the dongle does what its supposed to do.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 03, 2019, 01:21:33 pm
my dongle works fine most of the time. Default settings will only reappear if the bike has been standing for a few weeks.

But I have also realised its a KTM and not a BMW, the ABS works pretty good off road as well
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Noneking on June 03, 2019, 03:12:22 pm
The dongle just lets you "keep" the traction control and ABS settings when you turn the bike off and back on.

Normally, if you turn the traction control off, or switch the ABS off or to "Offroad mode" (ABS on front wheel but not on rear wheel), then when you switch the ignition off (completely, not just kill switch) they would turn back to stock setting of ON when you turned the bike back on.
With the dongle they just stay where you set them.

In theory, yes, but I have found that if I use the kill switch, the bike reverts back to the "normal" settings. A bit annoying if you don't check and find yourself pinning it down a dirt road with ROAD ABS on.

If you use the ignition, the dongle does what its supposed to do.

That shouldn’t happen at all! Mine has kept same offroad abs  settings for almost a year
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 04, 2019, 05:06:58 pm
This arrived yesterday. Millies took for ages I thought☺
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 04, 2019, 05:08:07 pm
I just have to be stopped from parking it IN the house - the garage is full of bikes...
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 04, 2019, 05:15:42 pm
I just have to be stopped from parking it IN the house - the garage is full of bikes...

nice! congrats and enjoy  :thumleft:

looks like your seat is in the low position?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 04, 2019, 06:19:11 pm
2018 model with 1683 km on the clock.

I had the opportunity to do the rounds yesterday. I rode some highway, town, but also suburbian riding where there are a lot of speed bumps and stop streets.

First impressions: Getting on the bike is easy for my 2m frame - perhaps because there is not a top box yet. The bike has to swing a bit longer for the bike to start - push the start button for 5 seconds says the handbook. It settles into a KTMis rumble at idle - typical a V twin.  The sound of the bike is much louder than the F800GS it replaces, but then the 800 is quiet. The throttle is light, and so is the clutch - easy on the hands. Shorties with a thicker finger contact area will be nice though - just because I am spoiled☺.

Setting off, I was immediately impressed with how light the bike felt. Lighter than my 800, but then all the farkles has not been fitted yet. Making a loch turn will not be a difficult thing on this bike. This bike is smooth - gearchanges are silky smooth and does not require effort from the left foot - it just comes naturally. Brakes are nice. They do not bite alarmingly, but have a reassuring feel, much better than the 800 which has to be pulled hard to start stopping hard. It does an excellent job at stopping without making itself known with an overbearing presence.

The one thing that I was scared about beforehand was that this bike is wild. Not so. It can be ridden sedately, yet throttle is light and responsive. It gathers speed nicely over 3000 rpm, not alarmingly so. Push it over 5000 rpm towards 8000 and it gathers speed at an alarming rate. The scary thing is that it doesn't feel that fast - the bike is stable and planted. It is only when you look down at the illegal figures shown on the speedo that you realize that you should calm down a bit :peepwall:
The small screen works surprisingly well - wind hits the helmet on my nose level without turbulence when in the highest position. I am still considering which high Kappa screen to fit - the touring screen or the AirStream. It will not be too difficult to decide as I sell them☺

The plastic handlebar protectors will have to go as well. They keep the wind off your hands, but will not prevent a broken brake lever.

Two things I don't like: the saddle sits well, but the step up to the pillion seat cuts into my bum a bit. Either the front bit has to be lifted or the lip be flattened to allow for a more roomy seating position.
The other thing is the ability to chug along. On the F800GS I can accelerate smoothly from 1500 rpm through to the red line.
The 1090 reportedly received a revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding. The good news is that you can ride at 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but thereafter it complains heavily. Not so much the motor, but the chain starts clapping against the plastic and it becomes a cacophonic affair. Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution. Riding at 60km/h in 6th can be done by feathering the throttle and just maintain momentum, but as soon as you need power the chain starts chattering. This is a big and powerful bike, so one would at least expect to be able to ride it sedately. Clearly not. I will install a BoosterPlug that improves the fueling to see if it gets better, but I don't have too high hopes. Pity as it would be nice to ride the bike sedately as well...

The suspension is definitely more stiff than the F800GS's. The 800 sneers at speed bumps with the disrespect it deserves, but on the 1090 you can definitely feel the speed bumps. I know the racers prefer the stiff suspension - I will get to adjusting - the handbook is good at saying 2 clicks for plush 8 for this etc.

An interesting thing about the bike is the fuel tank. The drop tank of the 790 Adventure is nothing new. The concept exists in the 1*90 range already, with the tanks hanging low on each side to accommodate the 23l fuel, which will vastly improve the range over the 220k of the 800 before the light goes on.

So far so good. Handlebars can adjust forward by 1cm, and footpegs can drop with 1-2cm (already done).
So let's keep playing☺
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 04, 2019, 06:22:05 pm
I just have to be stopped from parking it IN the house - the garage is full of bikes...

nice! congrats and enjoy  :thumleft:

looks like your seat is in the low position?
Saddle was off this morning. I could not see that it is height adjustable as there is only one set of knobs on the tank for the saddle to slide into. Do you know something I don't? What does the 1290's setup look like? Do you have to unscrew the knobs and fasten to a higher position?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 04, 2019, 06:31:01 pm
None of the “R” seats are adjustable. If you buy the powerparts 2piece seat, that is adjustable.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 04, 2019, 06:40:00 pm
None of the “R” seats are adjustable. If you buy the powerparts 2piece seat, that is adjustable.  :thumleft:

that's right, the standard on the R is not

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 09:51:15 am
None of the “R” seats are adjustable. If you buy the powerparts 2piece seat, that is adjustable.  :thumleft:

that's right, the standard on the R is not
Thanks Hagen. Went to check again last night and no adjustment. I will reshape the profile to make the seat more comfortable.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 09:53:16 am
A peculiar thing in the Owners Handbook is that it includes a detailed explanation of an oil change, but I could not find one reference of the air filter, not to mention air filter change!
For air filter changes you have to consult youtube!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 05, 2019, 10:09:06 am
A peculiar thing in the Owners Handbook is that it includes a detailed explanation of an oil change, but I could not find one reference of the air filter, not to mention air filter change!
For air filter changes you have to consult youtube!

Remove fairings and tank.  Open airbox. change filter.   I *think* there are instructions for removing the tank in the book, but I can't quite remember.  Otherwise try find a Workshop Manual (not owners) online for the bike.  Will be basically identical to an 1190R one.

Fit UNIFilter if you haven't already.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 10:57:19 am
Thanks Roadhawg!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 11:04:02 am
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 05, 2019, 11:04:27 am
A peculiar thing in the Owners Handbook is that it includes a detailed explanation of an oil change, but I could not find one reference of the air filter, not to mention air filter change!
For air filter changes you have to consult youtube!

yes, air filter is only in the workshop manual - I've got the 2014 1190 WS manual and it is in there, but it is quite simple to see what needs to be done once the tank is off
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 05, 2019, 11:05:56 am
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

I read on a german forum that there was new firmware for the 1090 and most guys mentioned that it is much smoother on lower revs - maybe have KTM check that you have the latest FW?  or change your sprocket?

edit: not sure you can read this?
https://translate.google.co.za/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ktmforum.eu%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F109990-neue-software-f%25C3%25BCr-1090er%2F

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 05, 2019, 11:20:00 am
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

In my 1190 and 1290 experience, yeah they don't like a lot of throttle and low RPM. 

You could lower the gearing if that puts you in a better RPM range.  16T front sprocket, or 45 rear or both
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 05, 2019, 11:59:29 am
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

wat gaan hier aan? Jy ry nou KTM, klink of jy wil traffic ophou
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 01:36:37 pm
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

I read on a german forum that there was new firmware for the 1090 and most guys mentioned that it is much smoother on lower revs - maybe have KTM check that you have the latest FW?  or change your sprocket?

edit: not sure you can read this?
https://translate.google.co.za/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ktmforum.eu%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F109990-neue-software-f%25C3%25BCr-1090er%2F
Thanks Hagen. This was readable, and definitly helps. I will speak to KTM Cape Town to hear if they have received this update. It will make a difference as the tendency is a deal breaker. PS. Does the 1290 have the same issue, or don't you go slow? >:D
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 05, 2019, 01:37:57 pm
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

wat gaan hier aan? Jy ry nou KTM, klink of jy wil traffic ophou
:spitcoffee:
Jy sal tog nie verstaan nie. Julle het mos nie verkeer daar bo nie ;)
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 05, 2019, 02:59:01 pm
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

I read on a german forum that there was new firmware for the 1090 and most guys mentioned that it is much smoother on lower revs - maybe have KTM check that you have the latest FW?  or change your sprocket?

edit: not sure you can read this?
https://translate.google.co.za/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ktmforum.eu%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F109990-neue-software-f%25C3%25BCr-1090er%2F
Thanks Hagen. This was readable, and definitly helps. I will speak to KTM Cape Town to hear if they have received this update. It will make a difference as the tendency is a deal breaker. PS. Does the 1290 have the same issue, or don't you go slow? >:D

The only time I can see this ever being a problem is if you need to go super slow in 1st gear, but the problem doesnt really present itself in 1st, and you can use the clutch to go "slower than 1st".

Just shift down a gear.

I have the opposite problem in my Jeep where it's geared too low, I go round corners in 3rd because it's way too much RPM in 2nd. Just adjust your riding to the machine.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 05, 2019, 04:16:43 pm
I have a burdening question about low rpm riding.

Despite a reportedly revised cam and heavier flywheel for lower rpm riding, the 1090 does not like to be ridden under 3000rpm.  It can be nursed from 2000 rpm in 1st and 2nd, but from 3rd up it complains heavily.  The chain starts clapping and it becomes a cacophonic affair.

Gearing down and getting the rpm above 3000 rpm is the only solution.  Is that just how it is?

I read on a german forum that there was new firmware for the 1090 and most guys mentioned that it is much smoother on lower revs - maybe have KTM check that you have the latest FW?  or change your sprocket?

edit: not sure you can read this?
https://translate.google.co.za/translate?hl=en&tab=wT&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ktmforum.eu%2Fforum%2Fthread%2F109990-neue-software-f%25C3%25BCr-1090er%2F
Thanks Hagen. This was readable, and definitly helps. I will speak to KTM Cape Town to hear if they have received this update. It will make a difference as the tendency is a deal breaker. PS. Does the 1290 have the same issue, or don't you go slow? >:D

the 1290 has 108Nm at 2500RPM already (max is 140Nm@6750RPM), so I've rarely needed to gear down

take a look at the 1290/1190 comparison below

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 06, 2019, 11:50:39 am
I cant remember that my 1200GS was comfortable at 2000rpm. No bike is, that is very low.

I wanted to suggest a sprocket change, but then you will probably have the same issue in 4th, I understand the big drive for that fueling dongle thingamagic now a lot better!!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: ianb on June 06, 2019, 11:59:40 am
45T on the back .It will be way nicer to ride.  :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 10, 2019, 01:41:12 pm
I did a beginner's offroad ride with the BMW club over the weekend - I could have read my mail while we were riding these slow roads for the newbies - but were glad that I could introduce my sister's son to adventure riding.  So had lots of time to test the bike. At the top end I saw 202 in 5th before having to slow down on the short section - the bike was rock solid at that speed.
But at slow speeds this engine does NOT like anything below 3000rpm. 80 in 6th at 3000 rpm still makes the chain clap, despite the fact that the chain was adjusted to the correct setting just before the ride.
Idling speed in 1st is 13km/h, and it is doable. 2nd at 2000-2500rpm can be done at just about idle throttle, but from there the chain and engine are rather unhappy under 3000rpm. It is not that one wants to ride there, but you don't always keep your eyes on the tacho, the rpm drops below 3000 in a technical section or turn, and then the chain clap and lugging starts. Aaargh!
KTM asked to come in to check the chain tension and software version...
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 10, 2019, 01:58:29 pm
I did a beginner's offroad ride with the BMW club over the weekend - I could have read my mail while we were riding these slow roads for the newbies - but were glad that I could introduce my sister's son to adventure riding.  So had lots of time to test the bike. At the top end I saw 202 in 5th before having to slow down on the short section - the bike was rock solid at that speed.
But at slow speeds this engine does NOT like anything below 3000rpm. 80 in 6th at 3000 rpm still makes the chain clap, despite the fact that the chain was adjusted to the correct setting just before the ride.
Idling speed in 1st is 13km/h, and it is doable. 2nd at 2000-2500rpm can be done at just about idle throttle, but from there the chain and engine are rather unhappy under 3000rpm. It is not that one wants to ride there, but you don't always keep your eyes on the tacho, the rpm drops below 3000 in a technical section or turn, and then the chain clap and lugging starts. Aaargh!
KTM asked to come in to check the chain tension and software version...


I was thinking about this yesterday on a ride and tested it. My bike doesn't have any of your issues. no surging or chain slap from 2500 rpm in 2nd or 3rd. I do not have any mapping or fueling changes so cant really say why it will be better, (I do have all the other upgrades though, from 45T to opened exhaust and Rottveiler air intake). I will see if I can take a clip if you want, maybe you have higher standards than me
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 10, 2019, 03:22:00 pm
I only shift into 6th at around 120/130 to cruise.  And I have shortened gearing.

I think maybe you just need to appreciate the KTM as the fine tuned performance machine it is and not try ride it like a tractor (bmw) :P :P :biggrin:    REV HER!!! :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 11, 2019, 05:56:13 pm
Thanks Roadhawg.

You are saying the same as my friend in Denmark:

"6th gear on the big V-twins is to be considered as an overdrive for highway transport. On twisty country roads, I’m mostly in 5th gear, and I never really use 6th gear below aprox. 95 kmh.

Forget about software updates and chain tension to cure this - it is caused by the very light engine internals what have a very low rotating mass. A slightly richer mixture will make the low speed behavior slightly better, but the layout of the engine means that is is more happy when you keep it above 3000 RPM.

But the light internals is also what makes it feel fast and quick revving, so it is always a trade-off.

I guess you could say it is in the DNA (Ready to Race), but with the very good clutch and gearbox, I’m perfectly happy with it as it is."

I had to ride to town this morning and kept it above 3000rpm, hardly changing up to 5th or 6th. One just have to keep it boiling - something to get used to after a diesel kombi and a 1l Polo telling you to upshift at 1500rpm. It went well. Now you just have to be sensitive on the throttle and resist the urge. I did switch it to Road, but soon back to Sport >:D
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 11, 2019, 06:07:16 pm
Question: it sounds like the air filter on the LC8's are still suspect, even on a 2018 1090, especially when riding dust? Some say that the Rottweiler kit affects the engine performance. What is recommended? Uni Filter?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 11, 2019, 06:20:06 pm
Question: it sounds like the air filter on the LC8's are still suspect, even on a 2018 1090, especially when riding dust? Some say that the Rottweiler kit affects the engine performance. What is recommended? Uni Filter?

do you ride a lot of dirt?

my airbox with OEM filters has just been opened after 2years/10 000km and was 100% clean, but I ride 95% tar
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 12, 2019, 10:07:15 am
Question: it sounds like the air filter on the LC8's are still suspect, even on a 2018 1090, especially when riding dust? Some say that the Rottweiler kit affects the engine performance. What is recommended? Uni Filter?

do you ride a lot of dirt?

my airbox with OEM filters has just been opened after 2years/10 000km and was 100% clean, but I ride 95% tar
I despise riding in someone else's dust, but I do dirt outings every now and again. Thanks for the feedback - so the filter works well under normal circumstances.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 12, 2019, 11:33:23 am
It's an R1800 prevention to a possible R50-R100k problem.


I run the Unifilter as a minimum.   Rottweiler should increase power slightly if anything, but it's costly.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 12, 2019, 11:43:08 am
It's an R1800 prevention to a possible R50-R100k problem.

I run the Unifilter as a minimum.   Rottweiler should increase power slightly if anything, but it's costly.
Thanks. So Unifilter will do the trick. Who sells - I see Touratech lists them?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 12, 2019, 11:47:21 am
It's an R1800 prevention to a possible R50-R100k problem.

I run the Unifilter as a minimum.   Rottweiler should increase power slightly if anything, but it's costly.
Thanks. So Unifilter will do the trick. Who sells - I see Touratech lists them?

Ive run it on 3 bikes and it's been succesfull.   I also hate riding in dust, but when you're in a group offroad, it happens.

RAD might have now.  Otherwise Ebay. If Touratech SA has em then cool too!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Roadhawg on June 12, 2019, 11:49:51 am
Just to add, the theory is that the filter itself is not the problem, it's the seal between the airbox and the lid of the airbox.   In early models there was additional issue of air being able to go OVER the filter, but I believe this was fixed when they revised the airbox in 2015.  No changes have been made since then though.

The UNI kit has a gasket which goes between the lid and box, and over the top of the filter area too, and that seems to be the vital bit.


I'm no engineer though, this is just the prevailing theory :thumleft:  Theoretically you SHOULD be fine with the stock filter (or any other filter) and the UNI lid gasket.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 12, 2019, 11:52:17 am
The 1090 headlight is good in dim and bright, but I will fit spots for visibility and to see at night. In the meantime an orange cover to distinguish oneself from cages was needed. After cutting the plexiglass went into a 140°C oven for 7 min and moulded on the light. It came out OK.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 12, 2019, 11:54:01 am
Just to add, the theory is that the filter itself is not the problem, it's the seal between the airbox and the lid of the airbox.   In early models there was additional issue of air being able to go OVER the filter, but I believe this was fixed when they revised the airbox in 2015.  No changes have been made since then though.

The UNI kit has a gasket which goes between the lid and box, and over the top of the filter area too, and that seems to be the vital bit.


I'm no engineer though, this is just the prevailing theory :thumleft:  Theoretically you SHOULD be fine with the stock filter (or any other filter) and the UNI lid gasket.

This one?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: hiltonph on June 12, 2019, 12:13:28 pm
Just to add, the theory is that the filter itself is not the problem, it's the seal between the airbox and the lid of the airbox.   In early models there was additional issue of air being able to go OVER the filter, but I believe this was fixed when they revised the airbox in 2015.  No changes have been made since then though.

The UNI kit has a gasket which goes between the lid and box, and over the top of the filter area too, and that seems to be the vital bit.


I'm no engineer though, this is just the prevailing theory :thumleft:  Theoretically you SHOULD be fine with the stock filter (or any other filter) and the UNI lid gasket.

This one?

Take a piece of 10mm sponge sheet and cut your own lid gasket. Cut it just bigger than the air box lid and spray with Air filter oil. I have the dna filter and the lid gasket and have never had dust come in with 40k km travelled. Ps Fit the booster plug it makes a noticeable difference! Im very happy i did!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 12, 2019, 04:13:33 pm
Thanks Hilton. I am just not sure that the DNA filter will work for me as it is more of a performance filter than an offroad one. But the 10mm sponge around the edges idea is brilliant!☺

Just out of interest, how did the BoosterPlug affect the bike's performance? I yet have to fit, so some feedback will be nice.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on June 12, 2019, 05:33:01 pm
Thanks Hilton. I am just not sure that the DNA filter will work for me as it is more of a performance filter than an offroad one. But the 10mm sponge around the edges idea is brilliant!☺

Just out of interest, how did the BoosterPlug affect the bike's performance? I yet have to fit, so some feedback will be nice.

The sponge around the edge of the air box is the only reason to get the DNA filter. The main filter is just an add on
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 12, 2019, 07:16:49 pm
Roodt, if you want to spruce up your headlight globes, I fitted these LEDs more than a year ago, and they're still doing fine
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIGHTEYE-H11-50W-8000LM-6500K-CSP-LED-Car-Headlights-Conversion-Kit-Fog-Lamp-Bulb-DRL-Super/32734233910.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.88.409e5b5eiM8i4z&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=2a62109b-ae2f-4ca5-adca-f0d9c290651f-12&algo_pvid=2a62109b-ae2f-4ca5-adca-f0d9c290651f&transAbTest=ae803_3

I had to fit a 2k2 1/4W resistor to get the bike to accept them - very efficient alternative and cheap as chips
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 13, 2019, 09:21:30 am
Thanks Hilton. I am just not sure that the DNA filter will work for me as it is more of a performance filter than an offroad one. But the 10mm sponge around the edges idea is brilliant!☺

Just out of interest, how did the BoosterPlug affect the bike's performance? I yet have to fit, so some feedback will be nice.

The sponge around the edge of the air box is the only reason to get the DNA filter. The main filter is just an add on
Thanks M0lt3n! Let me check it out.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 13, 2019, 09:24:51 am
Roodt, if you want to spruce up your headlight globes, I fitted these LEDs more than a year ago, and they're still doing fine
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/NIGHTEYE-H11-50W-8000LM-6500K-CSP-LED-Car-Headlights-Conversion-Kit-Fog-Lamp-Bulb-DRL-Super/32734233910.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.88.409e5b5eiM8i4z&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_9_10065_10068_319_10059_10884_317_10887_10696_321_322_10084_453_10083_454_10103_10618_10307_537_536,searchweb201603_52,ppcSwitch_0&algo_expid=2a62109b-ae2f-4ca5-adca-f0d9c290651f-12&algo_pvid=2a62109b-ae2f-4ca5-adca-f0d9c290651f&transAbTest=ae803_3

I had to fit a 2k2 1/4W resistor to get the bike to accept them - very efficient alternative and cheap as chips
Thanks Hagen. Have you tried them in conjunction with an orange cover? I tried Phillips' Night Hawk?, the incandescent version previously and they did not work in conjunction with the orange covers. In fact, they did not work at all.
I will be fitting a set of 3000 lumen LED spots I had on my 800. They are brilliant and create the impression of something big coming.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 13, 2019, 07:42:11 pm
Thanks Hagen. Have you tried them in conjunction with an orange cover? I tried Phillips' Night Hawk?, the incandescent version previously and they did not work in conjunction with the orange covers. In fact, they did not work at all.
I will be fitting a set of 3000 lumen LED spots I had on my 800. They are brilliant and create the impression of something big coming.

Yes, I've got the Hyde orange cover that mounts with 3M dual locks - works well and together with my 30W LED spots, I'm very visible
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 14, 2019, 08:59:37 am
Interesting fact. Both the 1090 handlebars and F800GS handlebars are the same width - 800mm. BUT the BMW has the bar end weights which adds 30mm to each side, and if you add the barkbusters another 16mm. In the end the KTM handlebars are 6cm narrower, 3cm on each side, which is excellent news for lane splitting!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: ianb on June 14, 2019, 11:55:33 am
Hi Jacob. I have been reading your post .Congratulations on a great bike. You are doing the right thing by sorting out the air filter. I did the same, I chucked out the DNA and got a UNI kit. I do believe it is the airbox cover gasket that is must. I got the gasket from RAD . And the UNI filter when i was in NZ. I never fitted those snorkel socks.  Enjoy.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 14, 2019, 01:16:31 pm
Thanks Hagen. Have you tried them in conjunction with an orange cover? I tried Phillips' Night Hawk?, the incandescent version previously and they did not work in conjunction with the orange covers. In fact, they did not work at all.
I will be fitting a set of 3000 lumen LED spots I had on my 800. They are brilliant and create the impression of something big coming.

Yes, I've got the Hyde orange cover that mounts with 3M dual locks - works well and together with my 30W LED spots, I'm very visible
Nice, post pic!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 14, 2019, 01:29:53 pm
Hi Jacob. I have been reading your post .Congratulations on a great bike. You are doing the right thing by sorting out the air filter. I did the same, I chucked out the DNA and got a UNI kit. I do believe it is the airbox cover gasket that is must. I got the gasket from RAD . And the UNI filter when i was in NZ. I never fitted those snorkel socks.  Enjoy.
Thanks Ian. Some say the LC8 is one of the finest motorcycle engines ever made.
The 950 and the 990 was actually KTM’s Paris-Dakar race engine that was converted for road use, and they were light and fun, but thirsty, and maintenance heavy compared to the modern engines. When the development of the single cylinder 690 started, KTM headhunted four of the prime development engineers from the nearby Rotax factory, and that was what kickstarted the successful modern KTM engines (690, 790, 1050, 1090, 1190, 1290)
Especially in the reliability area and fuel economy, the new engines are worlds apart from the old ones, and a major reason for the success that KTM have today.
I ordered the Unifilter from Touratech and will be installing the filter and BoosterPlug together. I actually wanted to see what the separate effects are, but getting to the air filter is a bit of a job, so let's do it together then.
I hope that the BoosterPlug will make the bike a bit more forgiving under 3000 rpm. It still feels awkward to rev the bike to 4000rpm when it is cold!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: hiltonph on June 14, 2019, 03:14:03 pm
Thanks Hilton. I am just not sure that the DNA filter will work for me as it is more of a performance filter than an offroad one. But the 10mm sponge around the edges idea is brilliant!☺

Just out of interest, how did the BoosterPlug affect the bike's performance? I yet have to fit, so some feedback will be nice.

The Dna is oiled correctly and cleaned regularly its has no problems off road. With the dongle the throttle is much smoother and not as jerky. There is still some but much much less than before. for the price of the booster you will not find a better solution to the problem unless you spend a good 10k plus on a power commander. I've put considerable mileage on my bike before i put the booster in and after fitted one can immediately feel the difference.  Good solid product.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 14, 2019, 05:37:15 pm
Thanks Hagen. Have you tried them in conjunction with an orange cover? I tried Phillips' Night Hawk?, the incandescent version previously and they did not work in conjunction with the orange covers. In fact, they did not work at all.
I will be fitting a set of 3000 lumen LED spots I had on my 800. They are brilliant and create the impression of something big coming.

Yes, I've got the Hyde orange cover that mounts with 3M dual locks - works well and together with my 30W LED spots, I'm very visible
Nice, post pic!

I'll take some pics tomorrow  :thumleft:

Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 18, 2019, 09:39:56 am
Thanks Hagen. Those spots are good. I still have a pair running on a bike. I like the mounting point - out of harm's way.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 19, 2019, 10:23:00 am
Thanks Touratech! Now I can install together with the BoosterPlug.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 20, 2019, 12:30:20 pm
I went to KTM Cape Town this morning for a mirror and software update. Tom helped me, and I am forever thankful.
As opposed to the old diagnostic system where you could select the make and model, the new diagnostic system identifies the specific bike and VIN no and updates the central KTM database in Austria. This database logs all faults from all bikes over the world, and software engineers are writing new updates as we speak. There were two updates available for the 1090 - Engine and Braking system. The diagnostic tool starts with flushing the old software, and the latest updates are loaded after a prompt.
The differences are subtle, but huge at the same time. The important thing to know is that this is still a KTM - it likes over 3000rpm. Previously I struggled riding under 3000, but now the engine is much more forgiving. Now one can actually drop below the 3000rpm mark in higher rpm. Full throttle is still not advisable here, but one can apply modest throttle under 3000rpm and get away with it. It makes for a much more relaxing riding style, and you can still nail it when needed.
I am forever thankful to KTM and Tom☺
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Bundu on June 20, 2019, 06:32:40 pm
have you checked your bikes recalls and service history here?  https://www.ktm.com/za/service/safety-check/
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on June 24, 2019, 05:46:24 pm
This weekend I fitted spots, a Unifilter and BoosterPlug (while one is there, just do the lot!).

I did not expect a lot from the BoosterPlug but was pleasantly surprised.
Once the tank is off fitment is a cinch.
1. Remove the cable from the AIT sensor on the air box cover
2. Plug in the BoosterPlug into the AIT sensor and
3. the other end into the cable that came out,
4. Run the BoosterPlug sensor to the front of the bike - mine lies in the channel above the lhs indicator.

Make tidy and close up. I hid the BoosterPlug inside the frame - out of harm's way.

Like I say, I didn't expect too much. This is a KTM 1090 and it likes above 3000 rpm.
What the BoosterPlug did do is to change the character of the bike just a bit. What I didn't like previously was its nervous nature. It is almost as if it is highly strung. Touch the throttle and it jumps. Go under 3000 and it baulks, chain chattering away. Don't ride in 6th under 100km/h. This highly strung nature is good when you are racing (Ready to Race!), but what if you want to ride normally, or lane split?

What the plug did was to make the bike grow up. Gone is that twitchy, nervous nature. Suddenly it is more secure, adult, assured. It still goes like clappers and might even go better in the lower half of the rpm range, with more oomph from 3000rpm on - almost if the slight flat spot is gone. 
What surprised me most is what the BoosterPlug did with the bike at lower rpm. Previously one could feel the ignition of every cylinder, then nothing, then the firing of the other cylinder and so on.  Now the engine feels more like a river flowing, smoother, with a more even progression from one ignition explosion to the next.
Now one can ride in 6th where only 5th was previously possible, without the feeling that the motor is labouring or the chain clapping.
The bike is much more forgiving when dropping below 3000rpm.
Pulling away at 2000rpm and shifting early into 2nd and 3rd is without effort. I don't have to worry about what the bike is going to do - I can just ride. Also, I don't have to check the dash to know to gear down should the engine go below 3000 rpm. It now forgives you, and you can either ride it there, or gear down one without the anxious feeling about what pistons or chain will be doing once you overstep the line.
Now the 1090 still goes extremely well, but it is just much more assured, confident of itself, knowing what it is and what it can produce.
I am sure that it will make a huge difference on the dirt and during technical riding where you don't always want to rev high or check the tachymeter.

PS. I only tested in Sports mode - it will be interesting to see what it does in street and offroad mode, but I am sure it will be more of the same.

Like I said, BoosterPlug made my 1090 Adventure R grow up. This is a bike I can now ride confidently. I am duly impressed.
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: hiltonph on June 25, 2019, 07:08:27 am
This weekend I fitted spots, a Unifilter and BoosterPlug (while one is there, just do the lot!).

I did not expect a lot from the BoosterPlug but was pleasantly surprised.
Once the tank is off fitment is a cinch.
1. Remove the cable from the AIT sensor on the air box cover
2. Plug in the BoosterPlug into the AIT sensor and
3. the other end into the cable that came out,
4. Run the BoosterPlug sensor to the front of the bike - mine lies in the channel above the lhs indicator.

Make tidy and close up. I hid the BoosterPlug inside the frame - out of harm's way.

Like I say, I didn't expect too much. This is a KTM 1090 and it likes above 3000 rpm.
What the BoosterPlug did do is to change the character of the bike just a bit. What I didn't like previously was its nervous nature. It is almost as if it is highly strung. Touch the throttle and it jumps. Go under 3000 and it baulks, chain chattering away. Don't ride in 6th under 100km/h. This highly strung nature is good when you are racing (Ready to Race!), but what if you want to ride normally, or lane split?

What the plug did was to make the bike grow up. Gone is that twitchy, nervous nature. Suddenly it is more secure, adult, assured. It still goes like clappers and might even go better in the lower half of the rpm range, with more oomph from 3000rpm on - almost if the slight flat spot is gone. 
What surprised me most is what the BoosterPlug did with the bike at lower rpm. Previously one could feel the ignition of every cylinder, then nothing, then the firing of the other cylinder and so on.  Now the engine feels more like a river flowing, smoother, with a more even progression from one ignition explosion to the next.
Now one can ride in 6th where only 5th was previously possible, without the feeling that the motor is labouring or the chain clapping.
The bike is much more forgiving when dropping below 3000rpm.
Pulling away at 2000rpm and shifting early into 2nd and 3rd is without effort. I don't have to worry about what the bike is going to do - I can just ride. Also, I don't have to check the dash to know to gear down should the engine go below 3000 rpm. It now forgives you, and you can either ride it there, or gear down one without the anxious feeling about what pistons or chain will be doing once you overstep the line.
Now the 1090 still goes extremely well, but it is just much more assured, confident of itself, knowing what it is and what it can produce.
I am sure that it will make a huge difference on the dirt and during technical riding where you don't always want to rev high or check the tachymeter.

PS. I only tested in Sports mode - it will be interesting to see what it does in street and offroad mode, but I am sure it will be more of the same.

Like I said, BoosterPlug made my 1090 Adventure R grow up. This is a bike I can now ride confidently. I am duly impressed.


Dont like to say things like i told you so but...... I did say it. Awesome product and well explained even beter than I could ever. You'll find it even better off road in technical sections. It just crawls over rocks and through ditches without much effort. With this being said i do have 45 rear and a 17 front sprockets fitted. Dont have to use the clutch so much when going slow. Great review!!
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: m0lt3n on August 08, 2019, 07:09:14 am
Honeymoon is almost over....

you did proper mileage over the weekend, care to give a 1090 review?
Title: Re: KTM 1090 Adventure - Who's got one?
Post by: Jacobsroodt on August 12, 2019, 12:17:05 pm
Honeymoon is almost over....

you did proper mileage over the weekend, care to give a 1090 review?
Will do.
After 3500km the rear TKC80 has 3mm of its original 10mm wear left.  Did anyone say that the 1090 goes through rear tyres quickly? :peepwall: