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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Damaraland on June 04, 2019, 09:17:05 am

Title: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Damaraland on June 04, 2019, 09:17:05 am
I started the "Adventurising a EXC 500" thread over here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=219441.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=219441.0)

Saw a bunch of people harping on about how the 500 is actually not perfect for everyone and also not the end-all or be-all of adventure riding (utter blasphemy :dousing:), so thought I'd start this topic to give them a place to vent.  Having done about 6000-odd km on mine I think I am also a bit qualified to weigh in on the topic. 

So here's Damaraland's list of why the 500 is a crap bike:

1.  Two fourth gears (if you ride one you'll know)
2.  Every 2000 km's or so I have to do a 5 minute service
3.  The flicker indicator bulb is useless.  Mine stopped working after 50 hours.  Shit bike.
4.  What the f*ck is up with the seat
5.  KTM forgot to tighten the ground wire (if the bike ever stalls as soon as you stand up you'll understand :imaposer:)
6.  Fuel injection.  F*ck sake KTM.  Everyone *knows* that it's unreliable and that carbs is best.
7.  Too much vibration on Tar.  In my heart I know I should've bought a BMW F650GS but it doesn't look as cool on the trailer.

Rules of this thread is simple: 

1.  You don't need to have owned or ridden one, in fact probably best that you have zero experience with these bikes - it encourages robust discussion. 
2.  Repeating hearsay is encouraged (e.g. if you sit too far back the subframe - which incidentally is made out of spaghetti - will explode, killing you instantly).
3.  You're not allowed to mention fuel pump issues, as that is considered low-effort and too easy a target.  I'm thinking mine must be a knockoff because it hasn't broken yet.
4.  Bonus points if you mention Japanese reliability. You win the Internet if you actually know of someone doing adventure riding on a 450 rice burner.
Title: Re: Why the EXC 500 is a shit adventure bike
Post by: boland on June 04, 2019, 09:26:39 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

I must add that the suspension is just unnecessarily good. If it was 30% less good it would have still been enough. What were KTM thinking?!
Title: Re: Why the EXC 500 is a shit adventure bike
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 04, 2019, 09:27:27 am
Its too expensive.
It must be, because I cant afford one?
Well, A new one anyway - and who wants someone else's shit?
Title: Re: Why the EXC 500 is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Omninorm on June 04, 2019, 09:34:19 am
The real problem with the KTM 500 is that you are left with no challenge becasue the bike is too good. That's why they don't use it in Erzberg, it will make the race too boring.

Rumors are they wanted to use it in Erzberg but RedBull threatened to pull out as there would be no competition and thus make boring tv - everyone will cross the finish line at the same time...in 1st place with no drama.


Title: Re: Why the EXC 500 is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Dwerg on June 04, 2019, 09:43:52 am
Reason #1: The fanboys come up with colloquialisms like "five-hunny" and make all 500 riders sound like poofters
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: jaybiker on June 04, 2019, 10:27:17 am
"F650gs doesn't look cool on the trailer"


Well of course it bloody doesn't. No bike looks cool on a trailer.

And the cooler it looks off the trailer the more uncool it looks on the trailer.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Ganjora on June 04, 2019, 10:33:28 am
And the cooler it looks off the trailer the more uncool it looks on the trailer.

kak.
it's a BMW.
the remain kak,  no matter if they are on a trailer,  on the road or on top of a rubbish dump.
they are shit bikes.
end of discussion.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: jaybiker on June 04, 2019, 10:36:19 am
Sure, BMW's are kak bikes. But I was saying that any bike looks uncool on a trailer.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 11:02:41 am
Perhaps Damaraland can explain to us why a bike that is pushed as having a better spread of power would need a 6th gear.

The more ratios in a box, the narrower the power spread as a rule.

Damaraland, also, of the 6000kms, how many on the trailer, or is the 6000kms actual bike kays. :pot:

OK, I know that they're banned from Ertzberg, they're that good. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Gérrard on June 04, 2019, 11:09:24 am
Feeling a bit bruised are we ?  :lol8: Remember, if you have to explain it, you got it wrong the first time.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: JustBendIt on June 04, 2019, 11:14:56 am
They are totally shit because you ride them so fast up and down gravel highways like Road To Hell, Van Zyls and Robbie's Pass and you don't get time to take photos of 4 people helping the rider and bike not to moer over

I really hate the fact that it weighs so little and can do 400 km on the big 20 litre tank and I can take everything I need for 2 weeks in one Giant Loop bag tied on its bum

But the bit that really gets on my tits is that it floats over the thickest sand and when I do drop it I can just bend over and pick it up instead of having to remember what Jan Staal taught me that I must pick the bike up backwards with my legs because I will break my back and literally shit myself if I do it any other way

This bike is so kak I will never buy one .....well not again while I have this one
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 11:16:52 am
They are totally shit because you ride them so fast up and down gravel highways like Road To Hell, Van Zyls and Robbie's Pass and you don't get time to take photos of 4 people helping the rider and bike not to moer over

I really hate the fact that it weighs so little and can do 400 km on the big 20 litre tank and I can take everything I need for 2 weeks in one Giant Loop bag tied on its bum

But the bit that really gets on my tits is that it floats over the thickest sand and when I do drop it I can just bend over and pick it up instead of having to remember what Jan Staal taught me that I must pick the bike up backwards with my legs because I will break my back and literally shit myself if I do it any other way

This bike is so kak I will never buy one .....well not again while I have this one

An objective overview by an actual owner......great! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Catchy on June 04, 2019, 12:20:44 pm
They are the most difficult bikes on the planet to wheelie, I have a constant irritating problem of smoke coming from my front tyre when I even attempt the shortest of 1km wheelies ! :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: JacoM on June 04, 2019, 12:26:08 pm
My biggest issue with my 501 is tyres.
What to use because the bike is capable enough to use full on endure tyres that works well in Maccaser, Elgin mountains and Tankwa offroad, BUT these tyres do not last when I use it for normal adventure rides which covers mix of tar and gravel. Can somebody please help me? I consider to buy another 501 just to sort out the tyre problem... ;)

The 510 seat is actually much better than the KTM 500 - why can KTM not fix this as well?
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2019, 01:18:47 pm
You guys are so behind the times, we were dual sporting 525's (just as reliable as a 500 fyi) long before this whole technical dual sport craze started  :pot: Off course no one believed one back then.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Kaboef on June 04, 2019, 01:26:15 pm
The 500 fans have moved the target on what they consider adventure riding.

If your idea of adventure riding is 100km days, and playing in Parklands, then it's a phenomenal bike.

But if your idea is a spurt over Gydo pass to Oasis, and then Biedouw/R355/Padstal, Katbakkies and home, then you will burn that 500 and dance around the flames from joy.

Horses for courses.
I own a 500, and its great for it's niche.

Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 04, 2019, 01:45:24 pm
The 500 fans have moved the target on what they consider adventure riding.

If your idea of adventure riding is 100km days, and playing in Parklands, then it's a phenomenal bike.

But if your idea is a spurt over Gydo pass to Oasis, and then Biedouw/R355/Padstal, Katbakkies and home, then you will burn that 500 and dance around the flames from joy.

Horses for courses.
I own a 500, and its great for it's niche.

+1

Sub because I like reading opinions about the 500
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Offshore on June 04, 2019, 01:50:58 pm
My biggest issue with my 501 is tyres.
What to use because the bike is capable enough to use full on endure tyres that works well in Maccaser, Elgin mountains and Tankwa offroad, BUT these tyres do not last when I use it for normal adventure rides which covers mix of tar and gravel. Can somebody please help me? I consider to buy another 501 just to sort out the tyre problem... ;)

The 510 seat is actually much better than the KTM 500 - why can KTM not fix this as well?
I heard the 501 is so good that after each Service it gains another 10cc which the 500 cant do, so it must be kak.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: LouisXander on June 04, 2019, 02:15:54 pm
You guys are so behind the times, we were dual sporting 525's (just as reliable as a 500 fyi) long before this whole technical dual sport craze started  :pot: Off course no one believed one back then.

Waar ne. Toe kon ek al nie vinnig genoeg ontslae raak v my 525 ni.....
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 04:22:51 pm
You guys are so behind the times, we were dual sporting 525's (just as reliable as a 500 fyi) long before this whole technical dual sport craze started  :pot: Off course no one believed one back then.

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

It's what I have been saying, the 450's are so close in everything, and has been around for so long, why have they never been utilised??
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: mox on June 04, 2019, 04:26:31 pm
WTF is with the black am orange?  Green makes you go faster  :pot: blue makes you jags.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Rossdog on June 04, 2019, 04:31:00 pm
Tobacco companies and shabeens also hate them. They are so capable and so much fun, people forget to smoke or stop for Zamalekas.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 04:58:23 pm
Tobacco companies and shabeens also hate them. They are so capable and so much fun, people forget to smoke or stop for Zamalekas.

Sounds more like bad brakes. :pot:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Kaboef on June 04, 2019, 06:33:19 pm
Tobacco companies and shabeens also hate them. They are so capable and so much fun, people forget to smoke or stop for Zamalekas.

The makers of Preparation H and Myprodol apparently had a hand in developing the seat.
They pay Xpat and Damaraland a lump sum per post about using the 500 for adventure trips.


Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Catchy on June 04, 2019, 06:39:42 pm
Tobacco companies and shabeens also hate them. They are so capable and so much fun, people forget to smoke or stop for Zamalekas.

Not so sure about this........... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 04, 2019, 07:59:41 pm
 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Not only a shit adventure bike, but it drives the owners to alcohol. :pot: :pot: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 04, 2019, 08:11:41 pm
Tobacco companies and shabeens also hate them. They are so capable and so much fun, people forget to smoke or stop for Zamalekas.

Not so sure about this........... :peepwall:

Menlyn?  Do you still go there often?  The route still worth it?
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: McKracken on June 05, 2019, 06:49:54 am
Reason #1: The fanboys come up with colloquialisms like "five-hunny" and make all 500 riders sound like poofters
Don't forget my personal favourite: the Alphas

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Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BuRP on June 05, 2019, 09:11:49 pm
it encourages robust discussion

 :lol8:

OK, if it looks shit on the trailer then you have the wrong one, probably an old sjalopie wif leafsprings ek se.
Get something more modern, a Maersk box springs to mind  :P

Title: Re: Why the EXC 500 is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2019, 09:16:46 pm
Reason #1: The fanboys come up with colloquialisms like "five-hunny" and make all 500 riders sound like poofters

 :imaposer:

5 X honey pots =  1 thumper single  >:D
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Damaraland on June 06, 2019, 10:00:40 am
:laughing4: :laughing4:

Not only a shit adventure bike, but it drives the owners to alcohol. :pot: :pot: :thumleft:

Can confirm - I was a teetotalling angel before I got my Alpha 5-hunny. 

Now it seems my trips consist of riding from shebeen to shebeen.  Had to ride all the way up the Marienfluss for this beer.

Shit bike also has me drinking Black Label as opposed to proper Namibian beer.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zn8yRBeioPjMi60wDnD9IyCuT6Q-VggB7M6tlRjd0_wW2XMRsJrvsMREP8qMKD7I1l9u1FVzSdUPBBVyFhqUBeyPpkfS1ku2BtdtVbFBFn6XkvKXTyUSVG-IfEuhAQ4apcon_5-2qx7iBGbpuvEm5DOdPu4VkvZ1AmQnuP0ozg5i8Ejqk5L9PvqQs7v946Uwwfe01gGLZrq3Q0riWkvuAAYsvARt1V0VznzC9lGXfRVfeIRXxboNOJcIT947xuJ8Hgk7jKw_zRKnRB-zLcMzxMnmYbKGlpLcEj_AH2t3z7gvWOMvvDVPIDkjXbQtTHKOz48OUMssuc8Qx5mJ6lddUQDAX4qDX2uFf_gYwrnMx_kivV89_WmxE4no3gEutFwlCttFEcOuCx68f1LmrW9spuPl4hONQUKoyNpKvQg3vrgmu7fbo-7enqyuVpU-Aa8Px9moBJKb-DXG1tXfsdJR-H5iGrtetNa0nHVA10kDh8K93QnKI1D-AjyE3Y1-nm6whxjDag8eKn0WEMmXKIl0cJdOHyN2e50br5mC7fXT0KlaHLwv8VlGUwsc_M8LPv1mrASLVEKLxO-tdNwjMJSaYuvQSG4ijAd96gyNke2dZVI2NO-npd8IPooncKRLE53R81T88UnZ6UPltv4TjbEwRbRDCAKN2BFbI4PhqjFXDfMrJm98jqiNT7NmctoKK8Wxz6_ahQ1ZMzP9d5qJwqisnsBr=w1669-h938-no)

Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2019, 12:19:34 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Damaraland on June 06, 2019, 12:34:59 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2019, 12:46:15 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Damaraland on June 06, 2019, 12:49:00 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)

Alas, while we desperately needed protection from vicious hartmann zebra's I think my first post established already that the subframe is useless and shit and can't carry a significant amount of weight.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2019, 12:54:16 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)

Alas, while we desperately needed protection from vicious hartmann zebra's I think my first post established already that the subframe is useless and shit and can't carry a significant amount of weight.

I thought she would be riding wingman for the tailgunners.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2019, 07:45:47 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)

With those 3 hooligans she has to guard her own body. :ricky:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Kaboef on June 06, 2019, 09:04:17 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)

With those 3 hooligans she has to guard her own body. :ricky:

Hulle is nie Kawasaki ryers nie.

Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2019, 05:29:22 pm
Looks like a proper cuddly Brokeback party - even the chicken is gobsmacked looking at the limp wrists and brown noses :imaposer:

That's nothing - look at the condescending look the shopkeeper is giving us.  Think she heard we trailered from Windhoek to Opuwo :-[

I thought she was a body guard?  8)

With those 3 hooligans she has to guard her own body. :ricky:

Hulle is nie Kawasaki ryers nie.

Ja, Kawa ryers sou daar aangekom het vol energie.
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Runner on June 08, 2019, 09:18:11 pm
Elke Maandag oggend lyk dit so by die shop, net fucked up 500's, net van naweek ry, so hoe is dit moontlik laat so kak bike ver kan ry vir adventure?
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2019, 11:39:33 pm
Elke Maandag oggend lyk dit so by die shop, net fucked up 500's, net van naweek ry, so hoe is dit moontlik laat so kak bike ver kan ry vir adventure?

Seker van die treilers afgeval. :peepwall:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: Highsider on June 09, 2019, 04:12:16 am
Don’t be harsh on the bike by focusing on the Ukrainian seat.  Think of the clever technology like the side stand for example.  The bike knows when the owner has reached  a point in his training where it is no longer needed, a bit like a booster rocket for a satellite launch, one day it gets jettisoned since the bike knows you can now handle a whole day without having to get off before your destination and / or a shabeen.  Also looks cool to lean the bike against a shabeen wall.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190609/bd0430ece693551f9f26fe9cd5a94865.jpg)


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Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: BiG DoM on June 09, 2019, 09:21:37 am
Elke Maandag oggend lyk dit so by die shop, net fucked up 500's, net van naweek ry, so hoe is dit moontlik laat so kak bike ver kan ry vir adventure?

Clearly this scenario makes Runner get fokin sideways every weekend  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Why the EXC five-hunny is a shit adventure bike
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 09, 2019, 03:18:20 pm
@Highsider

 :imaposer: :imaposer: