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Title: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on June 24, 2019, 01:21:55 pm
So, the company I've been employed by for 15 years has offered me a great deal to move to Jozi, double salary plus some other stuff. Some history - they moved me from PE to Jozi, Jozi to Durbs, Durbs to Jozi and then Jozi to CT. I've made a life here in CT, I'm a single dad to a 19yr old who's in varsity down here. I'm turning 40 so need to start making proper money, either for retirement or emigration. I am absolutely in love with Slaapstad, the 10 years I did in Jozi made me a real unhappy person, I became a complete twatwaffle by the end of my stint there - lost a marriage etc. I don't have to go but the money is good, I have a fear that I will be unhappy and 'hard' again if I go back. Would you do it and what would your stipulations be? The last time I moved there I gave it 5 years which ended in 10, I'm thinking 3 years of hard graft and then moving on.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on June 24, 2019, 01:34:32 pm
I must add, the deal involves me coming home every two weeks so I get to maintain my son and dog down here. The office is in Corporate Park North, is Midstream Estate the best option to live in that area? My 990 stays in CT for when I come home, i used to race Enduro in Joburg and wouldn't mind getting back into it so will be on the hunt for a KTM 300 pre EFI. I got into many road-rage incident because of stupid drivers when I lived up there, would you commute on a bike up there?
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 24, 2019, 01:45:05 pm
MidStream - look close to that, its the commute thats the kak bit imo - try and get as close as possible.

There are PLENTY of okes to ride with in the Pta east area - http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=178479.0 - so maybe look at a 650 something to keep you sane?
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: dookie on June 24, 2019, 01:47:56 pm
Jip. Midstream or Southern Centurion subs.
Commuting on the bike - depends on what time you are on the highways and by-ways.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on June 24, 2019, 01:53:26 pm
Thanks CT, I guess I'm actually asking a more fundamental question - would you move to Joburg just for money if you're currently in a good space in Cape Town? I created a market in CT for my company with the idea of moving here and made it happen, to go back now seems counterintuitive. I go up once a month and I really dislike the place.i can't guarantee that my job in CT will be available forever but the job in JHB will be, the current economic climate creates a lot of stress for me down here, the JHB job will be easy and not insentive driven so a lot less stress financially.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: BullSmit on June 24, 2019, 02:05:30 pm
Catch 22, if you ask me...

With the current economic climate, I suppose the job in JHB makes sense at this stage.

I, for one, will rather stay in CT for less money if the job was more secure.

I changed careers 5 years ago from the corporate IT world to an automotive engineering shop. Decreased my salary by about 50%.

It was tough for the first three years, but I adjusted my way of living and prefer this to any high paying corporate job.

LOTS of good luck with your decision.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on June 24, 2019, 02:10:15 pm
Make a Positive vs Negative list - stick it on the fridge - add to it as you think of things - look at it for a week - pretty sure you will have the answer after that.....

I moved to Jhb for 1 years training in 1990 - never left and I love it!
I grew up in Fish Hoek and about 10 years ago was offered a position in CT - never took it because I dont actually want to live in CT! Odd, that, but for me its true - I made my life here and enjoy the life - I ride a lot and moved companies to get away from the commute 4 years ago - best move i ever made.....

Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: ClemS on June 24, 2019, 02:16:40 pm
Since you have a youngster still at varsity, the answer seems to be obvious. Will it be such a detrimental move since you still have the luxury to commute back and forth between Jozi and CT?
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on June 24, 2019, 02:17:57 pm
A major thing that's playing on my mind is that I only have 3 years left of my son living with me before he spreads his wings, if I leave him here I'll miss out a lot. On the other hand, I'll still have the house here and it may give him a chance to mature...I was out of my mom's house at 18, people say that I modicodle my boy but I think it's important for him.to have a home base considering the fact that his mom left him.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on June 24, 2019, 02:44:07 pm
The mates that I had in JHB have all emigrated, the acquaintance riding guys have also left. Guess I won't be short of riding partners up there because of this forum, the off/roads here are epic, is there a group up there that does proper afkak rides weekly?
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on June 24, 2019, 02:58:19 pm
I think I am seeing an answer in your own question!


You wrote:
"I go up once a month and I really dislike the place." and....
"I have a fear that I will be unhappy and 'hard' again if I go back..."


that, coupled with your Son, and 3 years left with him living with you, at home, I would stay...

(I have lived up in Jozi, 2 x 3 year stints, place is extremely energizing when I go up for business, but from what YOU say, I would say stay)
Cheers, and good luck with your decision!
Chris
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Welsh on June 24, 2019, 03:41:19 pm
A major thing that's playing on my mind is that I only have 3 years left of my son living with me before he spreads his wings, if I leave him here I'll miss out a lot. On the other hand, I'll still have the house here and it may give him a chance to mature...I was out of my mom's house at 18, people say that I modicodle my boy but I think it's important for him.to have a home base considering the fact that his mom left him.

I have a few mates who commute, out of JHB Friday lunch on a plane back Monday morning?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: KaTooMatt on June 24, 2019, 03:53:15 pm
Sounds like there is reason to do some work in Cape Town. Maybe negotiate X number days a month in JHB and the rest in CT so you can keep Cape Town going so the company will still be a player down there when the economy start moving again. SOmething along the lines of 4 days a week in JHB with 1 in CT. But flexible so you can manage it this way or effectively one week in CT every 4 weeks depending on the way business develops.

I would love to live in CT still have a place down there but my wife hated it.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on June 24, 2019, 04:44:08 pm
I'm thinking 3 years of hard graft and then moving on.

I can't see that 3 years of added income is going to make a big enough financial impact.  The losses are not worth it imho.
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Inus660 on July 23, 2021, 03:09:13 pm
@Blikkies1
I read your posts on this topic with interest, because your situation was very similar to one I had a while back. It seems you stayed in Cape Town? What was the final reasoning, if you wouldn't mind sharing? (most of us Twatwhattles here in Gowtang are only still here because of a job with more money than anywhere else - Guilded Cage!! Eventually we'll all end up semigarting to the Western Cape somewhere).
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Blikkies1 on July 23, 2021, 03:57:36 pm
Sheesh, thanks for the reminder on this, it's good to look back sometimes. I left my old company and stayed in CT, we worked out a reasonable package which enabled me to start a business and keep myself afloat , the business did really well but I got burned out after working 18hr days for about 8 months, weekends included, I helped a friend out with his business from time to time and they offered me a lekker job right up my alley which I took and am enjoying thoroughly. I've learned to be content with less and have stopped chasing money, the weird thing is that it tends to find you when you reach this disposition. My son was 19 when I made the original post and I thought he had all the tools he needed at the time, the last two years have shown me that he didn't and leaving him here would have been a mistake, he's grown a lot and we've bonded a lot, he's almost ready to fly the coop.
As for JHB, I have to go there every couple of months, I miss CT from when I leave the airport till I return, I lived in JHB for 10yrs, it is not the same place anymore, it is run down and the people have become unfriendly + more aggressive - Joburgers were always friendly, I would have been even grumpier if I made the move back up there, I won't leave CT unless I decide to take the plunge and go overseas, it is a magnificent place.
If I can give a bit of advice, pull the trigger on the move here as soon as you can, already expensive house pricing is going to rocket as more people pile in. Unless you can move within a national company, you will more than likely earn slightly less, that's not the end of the world though - you basically don't have to spend money on entertainment, you don't have to send your laaities to expensive private schools as the model-c schools are on par with JHB private schools, I haven't done it but friends have dropped medical aid because the government/provincial hospitals are good, it all balances out. I have been here for 6yrs now, it's cool to watch the aggressive new arrival BMW X6 and Breitling wielding Joburgers aclimatise. All the best with your journey.   
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Inus660 on July 24, 2021, 10:30:23 am
Tnx for the feedback, @Blikkies1 . I am glad that you made a decision that was good for you and your son. In the end family is more important than anything else and healthy relationships with our children are priceless!

I was fortunate to see my children in the Boland at least four times a year until Covid hit us. Luckily video-calling and WhatsApp has been a saving grace and we regularly do family meetings in a group (3 children). We were supposed to meet up now, during the school holidays, until we heard, "My fellow South Africans" one Sunday evening three weeks ago...

All the best, and maybe we can ride some dust trails and have a beer together one-day  (why is there no beer emoji?)
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Welsh on July 24, 2021, 10:37:43 am
Tnx for the feedback, @Blikkies1 . I am glad that you made a decision that was good for you and your son. In the end family is more important than anything else and healthy relationships with our children are priceless!

I was fortunate to see my children in the Boland at least four times a year until Covid hit us. Luckily video-calling and WhatsApp has been a saving grace and we regularly do family meetings in a group (3 children). We were supposed to meet up now, during the school holidays, until we heard, "My fellow South Africans" one Sunday evening three weeks ago...

All the best, and maybe we can ride some dust trails and have a beer together one-day  (why is there no beer emoji?)

No beer Emoji's in Lockdown.  :peepwall:  :occasion14: :bar:
Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: Brewed_Coffee on July 25, 2021, 07:51:55 am
Thanks CT, I guess I'm actually asking a more fundamental question - would you move to Joburg just for money if you're currently in a good space in Cape Town? I created a market in CT for my company with the idea of moving here and made it happen, to go back now seems counterintuitive. I go up once a month and I really dislike the place.i can't guarantee that my job in CT will be available forever but the job in JHB will be, the current economic climate creates a lot of stress for me down here, the JHB job will be easy and not insentive driven so a lot less stress financially.

If I was in your shoes I'd ask myself three questions ....
1. What will the consequences to my career/job stability be if I decline the transfer?
2. If I accept, will it be on a fixed term contract or open-ended (as seems to be the past).
3. What happens at the end of the Jhb term? Do you fade into the sunlight, promotion on the success of your effort, some jong snot steps into your shoes?

Good luck mate - not an easy decision.

Title: Re: Semigrating to Jozi
Post by: GSpot on July 27, 2021, 02:43:33 pm
Money cannot buy happiness ………it helps …. I work up in the Vaal for 16 years, left the company and was based in Langebaan for 7 wonderful years till the company closed down in March 2020, got transferred back to the Vaal. Been here for a year now and will move back down for less money. The culture down there is so different from here, so first chance I get I will move back