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Title: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 03:44:44 pm
Where does one buy these items nowadays?

I am nearing the end of my once vast stocks, and in need of quite a lot of globes, all in magnificent 6 volt.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on August 02, 2019, 04:00:02 pm
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Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 04:02:54 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Kobus Myburgh on August 02, 2019, 04:08:16 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:

Ek het al vele maal oorweeg om die XL250S na 12v om te swaai vir verskeie redes, maar verstaan te min om dit te doen. 
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 04:14:20 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:

Wat van LED met 'n boost convertertjie?

Convert is baie baie klein - en jy sal baie sterker ligte kan  uit kry vir minder amps.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 04:14:53 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:

Ek het al vele maal oorweeg om die XL250S na 12v om te swaai vir verskeie redes, maar verstaan te min om dit te doen.

Daar is oulike "conversion kits" te kry vir die DT's na 12 volt, vir so om en by R2000, dit sluit al die gloeilampe ens. uit.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 04:15:43 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:

Wat van LED met 'n boost convertertjie?

Convert is baie baie klein - en jy sal baie sterker ligte kan  uit kry vir minder amps.

Bob, hoe sou ek so iets bewerkstellig?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 04:30:17 pm
Dankie Kobus!!

Ek wonder of n mens LED lampies kan kry vir die 6 volt goed?

Ek kyk nou rond op die internet, toe se een Amerikaner ewe; "The Yamaha DT's of the70's were all fitted with glowworms as headlight bulbs". :eek7:

Wat van LED met 'n boost convertertjie?

Convert is baie baie klein - en jy sal baie sterker ligte kan  uit kry vir minder amps.

Bob, hoe sou ek so iets bewerkstellig?

Ek het dit nog nie self gedoen nie - so weet nie of die bike se charging system dit sal manage nie maar as mens die amps/watts uitwerk lyk dit of dit sal kan werk.

Ek het al baie gespeel met die units maar nog nooit met 'n motorfiets se ligte nie.

Jy wire so unit (mense kry baie soorte units soos die een)

https://www.netram.co.za/1784-dc-dc-step-up-power-module-output-5v-35v.html?search_query=boost&results=18 (https://www.netram.co.za/1784-dc-dc-step-up-power-module-output-5v-35v.html?search_query=boost&results=18)

So jou battery is nog steeds 6v jou eletrics is alles 6v soos gewoon. Jy feed die unit 6v en jy stel dan die output op se 12v (jy stel die output met 'n skroefie).

So hy stoot dan 12v uit.

Die unit wat ek gepaste het is dink ek limited tot 4amps

So jy sal net 'n LED lig kan trek wat rated is op 24watts

So as jy kan 24W LED kry sal dit kan werk met die unit - baie klein en goedkoop.

As jy meer krag nodig het sal jy 'n ander boost converter moet kry as die een - natuurlik is die limit jou bike se charging system daar is net soveel watts available jy kan nie meer watts trek as wat daar is nie maar die voltage kan jy verander
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 04:33:38 pm
Natuurlik is die beste om die bike se stator te verander en alles te convert na 12v toe maar as dit 'n true classic is wat jy wil semi-original hou dan is dit nie altyd 'n opsie nie

Met die boost convert bly alles 100% original jy tap net in na die feed van die ligte toe.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on August 02, 2019, 04:41:32 pm
Ek bookmark hierdie inligting - dankie @the_BOBNOB  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Mayhem on August 02, 2019, 04:50:14 pm
I have some 6V30/25w P15D head light globes (Stanley) brand new in the box.
Come and collect. Also have some 12V as well

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Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 05:11:00 pm
I have some 6V30/25w P15D head light globes (Stanley) brand new in the box.
Come and collect. Also have some 12V as well

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I'll give you a ring next week, thanks!
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 05:14:58 pm
Thanks Bob, if I cannot get hold of these globes, or if they seem too expensive, I'll be forced to go the conversion way.

I can get a complete stator, flywheel, regulator and wiring to take it to 12v with electronic ignition, but Rex's speedshop wants R8000 for it before postage.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 06:01:16 pm
Thanks Bob, if I cannot get hold of these globes, or if they seem too expensive, I'll be forced to go the conversion way.

I can get a complete stator, flywheel, regulator and wiring to take it to 12v with electronic ignition, but Rex's speedshop wants R8000 for it before postage.

That is just crazy money.

Sometimes the stator can be left as is, in that scenario they use a half bridge rectifier (ie. only using have the available power)

If that is the case you simply switch to a full bridge rectifier if the stator output is sufficient.

So you are looking at a regulator/rectifier from a Chinese scooter or something a new battery bulbs and odds and ends.

Can be done for less than R600

If the stator needs work you can generally do it yourself for very little money.  I have wound some coils by hand it is pretty simple to do yourself.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 07:36:46 pm
Thanks Bob, if I cannot get hold of these globes, or if they seem too expensive, I'll be forced to go the conversion way.

I can get a complete stator, flywheel, regulator and wiring to take it to 12v with electronic ignition, but Rex's speedshop wants R8000 for it before postage.

That is just crazy money.

Sometimes the stator can be left as is, in that scenario they use a half bridge rectifier (ie. only using have the available power)

If that is the case you simply switch to a full bridge rectifier if the stator output is sufficient.

So you are looking at a regulator/rectifier from a Chinese scooter or something a new battery bulbs and odds and ends.

Can be done for less than R600

If the stator needs work you can generally do it yourself for very little money.  I have wound some coils by hand it is pretty simple to do yourself.


Thanks, appreciate the help, the charging/lighting coils on these DT's are not of high output, so standard you'll struggle to get good output from them.

This is a points motorcycle, so ideally I would have liked to keep the current through the points at 6v.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 09:02:04 pm
I googled the DT stator.

1 coil for lights and 1 for ignition.

Rewind the lighting coil and regulator/rectifier and you should be good to go.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 09:03:28 pm
I googled the DT stator.

1 coil for lights and 1 for ignition.

Rewind the lighting coil and regulator/rectifier and you should be good to go.

How does one know how to rewind it, to what values would one work?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 09:10:36 pm
Like this @2StrokeDan

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=225761.msg4082628#msg4082628

We can make an arrangement.

I can "help" you with the coil and you can "help" me with a motor that I plan to rebuild  :P
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 09:19:46 pm
Like this @2StrokeDan

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=225761.msg4082628#msg4082628

We can make an arrangement.

I can "help" you with the coil and you can "help" me with a motor that I plan to rebuild  :P

 :thumleft: what motor?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 02, 2019, 09:43:20 pm
Like this @2StrokeDan

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=225761.msg4082628#msg4082628

We can make an arrangement.

I can "help" you with the coil and you can "help" me with a motor that I plan to rebuild  :P

 :thumleft: what motor?

After years and years it is time to get my TT600 running again.

Have only ever done a top end rebuild. Will be my first full bottom up rebuild so will need some advice and pointers.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Fudge on August 02, 2019, 09:47:15 pm
At least the TT is also 6V  :lol8:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 02, 2019, 09:51:28 pm
Like this @2StrokeDan

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=225761.msg4082628#msg4082628

We can make an arrangement.

I can "help" you with the coil and you can "help" me with a motor that I plan to rebuild  :P

 :thumleft: what motor?

After years and years it is time to get my TT600 running again.

Have only ever done a top end rebuild. Will be my first full bottom up rebuild so will need some advice and pointers.

Anytime!
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2019, 05:58:05 am
At least the TT is also 6V  :lol8:

Plan is to upgrade the TT to 12v as well

I ride my bikes summer or winter, day or night and those 6v lights at idle was so weak might as well use my smartphones flash light.  ;D
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Fudge on August 03, 2019, 06:12:18 am
At least the TT is also 6V  :lol8:

Plan is to upgrade the TT to 12v as well

I ride my bikes summer or winter, day or night and those 6v lights at idle was so weak might as well use my smartphones flash light.  ;D

 :thumleft: Makes perfect sense. That was my only two gripes with the TT back in the day, the dodgy lighting after dark, and those front drum brakes, especially after after a few river crossings  :lol8:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2019, 01:57:54 pm
At least the TT is also 6V  :lol8:

Plan is to upgrade the TT to 12v as well

I ride my bikes summer or winter, day or night and those 6v lights at idle was so weak might as well use my smartphones flash light.  ;D

 :thumleft: Makes perfect sense. That was my only two gripes with the TT back in the day, the dodgy lighting after dark, and those front drum brakes, especially after after a few river crossings  :lol8:

Already he a full front end from a KTM 525 that I want to fit to the TT.

Same travel and length but upside down with disk brakes
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Fudge on August 03, 2019, 02:52:38 pm
Would love to see the result.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 03, 2019, 03:53:30 pm
The advantage with the XT's headlight was that at anything over 60 the beam would bend backwards and you have some rear visibility as well. :pot:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Fudge on August 03, 2019, 04:07:09 pm
 :laughing4:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 03, 2019, 05:42:03 pm
Would love to see the result.

That makes two of us  ;D

Also have a long range tank, wiseco high compression piston and some other odds and ends.

Nothing beats the low down torque of an old school thumper  :ricky:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Fudge on August 03, 2019, 08:39:57 pm
...Nothing beats the low down torque of an old school thumper  :ricky:

So true.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: ratrap on August 03, 2019, 08:47:42 pm
I hear that from next year they are not making petrol for 6v vehicles anymore.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: jaybiker on August 03, 2019, 09:51:05 pm
The advantage with the XT's headlight was that at anything over 60 the beam would bend backwards and you have some rear visibility as well. :pot:


A good chuckle, and yet somehow actually descriptive of the experience.  :3some:

But at least Jap bike riders got all of your six volts continuously. Joe Lucas' six volts came one at a time.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 03, 2019, 10:22:44 pm
I hear that from next year they are not making petrol for 6v vehicles anymore.

 :eek7:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: AndyF on August 07, 2019, 12:25:52 pm
@ 2Stroke Dan - I have some older technology LED bulbs as old left over stock if you want to plug them in and see what happens - gratis :) Some were 9 to 24 volt :)
Title: 6 volt globes.
Post by: MiniDan on August 07, 2019, 06:56:04 pm
@ 2Stroke Dan - I have some older technology LED bulbs as old left over stock if you want to plug them in and see what happens - gratis :) Some were 9 to 24 volt :)

Andy he might not reply anytime soon, as he is currently having difficulty getting onto this site.

You have a PM...
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: boland on August 07, 2019, 07:21:48 pm
Sorry for the high-jack, but getting leaded petrol is becoming an issue for the older bikes. Is there some sort of additive one can use?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: MellowJo on August 08, 2019, 10:41:37 am
Sorry for the high-jack, but getting leaded petrol is becoming an issue for the older bikes. Is there some sort of additive one can use?


Yup, 2 stroke oil .  ;)
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: MellowJo on August 08, 2019, 10:45:58 am
At least the TT is also 6V  :lol8:

Plan is to upgrade the TT to 12v as well

I ride my bikes summer or winter, day or night and those 6v lights at idle was so weak might as well use my smartphones flash light.  ;D

Although I remember my TT with bad lights, I can't remember the voltage ..  :imaposer:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 08, 2019, 10:47:21 am
Sorry for the high-jack, but getting leaded petrol is becoming an issue for the older bikes. Is there some sort of additive one can use?


Yup, 2 stroke oil .  ;)

How old is the bike in question?

If its Japanese it needs to be pre-1980 to be a problem.

Japan switched over to unleaded in the very early 80s.

Leaded was band by 1986 already, so the bikes from 80s are okay.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: MellowJo on August 08, 2019, 10:48:02 am
@ 2Stroke Dan - I have some older technology LED bulbs as old left over stock if you want to plug them in and see what happens - gratis :) Some were 9 to 24 volt :)

Andy he might not reply anytime soon, as he is currently having difficulty getting onto this site.

You have a PM...

Please bring back 2SD, I need DT 250 parts   :deal:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: mox on August 08, 2019, 10:51:14 am
Nice thread  :biggrin:
Sorry for another hijack, where can i find a 6v starter solenoid. Something like this:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 03:40:23 pm
@ 2Stroke Dan - I have some older technology LED bulbs as old left over stock if you want to plug them in and see what happens - gratis :) Some were 9 to 24 volt :)

Andy he might not reply anytime soon, as he is currently having difficulty getting onto this site.

You have a PM...

Please bring back 2SD, I need DT 250 parts   :deal:

You are now officially competition....... :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 08, 2019, 03:41:30 pm
@ 2Stroke Dan - I have some older technology LED bulbs as old left over stock if you want to plug them in and see what happens - gratis :) Some were 9 to 24 volt :)

Hi Andy, can I phone you 1st thing next week, and arrange something?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: AndyF on August 08, 2019, 03:54:43 pm
Yes - will send PM with contact details :)
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: boland on August 09, 2019, 04:34:57 pm
Sorry for the high-jack, but getting leaded petrol is becoming an issue for the older bikes. Is there some sort of additive one can use?


Yup, 2 stroke oil .  ;)

How old is the bike in question?

If its Japanese it needs to be pre-1980 to be a problem.

Japan switched over to unleaded in the very early 80s.

Leaded was band by 1986 already, so the bikes from 80s are okay.

Thanks for that. Its a 1982 Suzuki TS185. Ill try a tank on unleaded and see
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 09, 2019, 04:49:33 pm
Sorry for the high-jack, but getting leaded petrol is becoming an issue for the older bikes. Is there some sort of additive one can use?


Yup, 2 stroke oil .  ;)

How old is the bike in question?

If its Japanese it needs to be pre-1980 to be a problem.

Japan switched over to unleaded in the very early 80s.

Leaded was band by 1986 already, so the bikes from 80s are okay.

Thanks for that. Its a 1982 Suzuki TS185. Ill try a tank on unleaded and see

2 Stroke like the TS does not have any valves so there cannot be valve seat recession.

The 2 stroke oil still lubricates everything else.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: boland on August 09, 2019, 08:07:02 pm
Thanks Bobnob
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: BuRP on August 11, 2019, 01:00:41 pm
Fwiw, reading here about DC2DC convertors - Yes, they work, most are reliable even.
But on a vibrating bike out in the elements I'd not do this, for these units are meant & designed to sit indoors and in/on a mechanically quiet environment.
Mind, do as you please, just something to consider  ;)
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: Bundu on August 11, 2019, 05:05:42 pm
Fwiw, reading here about DC2DC convertors - Yes, they work, most are reliable even.
But on a vibrating bike out in the elements I'd not do this, for these units are meant & designed to sit indoors and in/on a mechanically quiet environment.
Mind, do as you please, just something to consider  ;)

I guess one could cover the pc board with silicone?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 11, 2019, 06:43:38 pm
Fwiw, reading here about DC2DC convertors - Yes, they work, most are reliable even.
But on a vibrating bike out in the elements I'd not do this, for these units are meant & designed to sit indoors and in/on a mechanically quiet environment.
Mind, do as you please, just something to consider  ;)

I guess one could cover the pc board with silicone?

Or encase it in resin?
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: BuRP on August 11, 2019, 07:10:46 pm
Resin ans Silicone will impede cooling of the components if not their heatsinks, not a good idea if the unit is not designed for such.
Title: Re: 6 volt globes.
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 11, 2019, 08:58:33 pm
Resin ans Silicone will impede cooling of the components if not their heatsinks, not a good idea if the unit is not designed for such.

You can put on larger heatsinks and then use potting compound to secure.

The DC2DC converter is no different to say a CDI or ECU or regulator/rectifier. It's all just pcb electronics etc. Anything can be made to be more robust.