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Title: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 13, 2019, 05:57:22 pm
Hi,

My office recently moved, as a result my commute has increased from 20km/day to over 50km/day.
I've always commuted on a sinlge cylinder bike... recently a Yamaha DT175, and XR500R or DRZ400 previously.
I suspect the singles won't hold up to the the longer commute for very long, so i'm considering upgrading to a larger bike.

Budget is around R55k.
Looking for something in the 650-800cc range (twin/4 cylinder), reliability is a priority, no super bikes.
So far i've consider the Suzuki DL650, Honda Africa Twin XRV750 & Transalp 700, and Triumph Tiger 800 XC (although it may be a bit out of budget).
I've ridden the Transalp, and although a sensible choice for a commuter, it's just too placid/boring for my liking.

Are there any other bikes i should consider?
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and experience.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Edgar on August 13, 2019, 05:59:51 pm
BMW F700 :deal:
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 13, 2019, 06:45:31 pm
BMW F700 :deal:
Doesn't quite fit the budget unfortunately
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 13, 2019, 07:18:26 pm
50 km per workday equals about 14k a year for workshuttle alone, add some weekend and recreational riding and you hit 20k a year, and after 5 years you have a pristine 100k km bike that nobody wants to buy because of the mileage.
Me,  I will buy something like a boring cbx twister and use that to shuttle, drive it till the wheels fall off. and keep using your xr/dt/drz for playing.
You can sell a Corolla with 300k on it easy, high mileage bikes is difficult to move.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: skydiver on August 13, 2019, 07:19:57 pm
Honda NC700
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Jaakmh on August 13, 2019, 07:38:41 pm
Honda NC700

Should be your best bet. Very economical. Enough storage space.
Not sure on service intervals and prices
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Beebop on August 13, 2019, 07:50:16 pm
Theres a decent F650GS going on here for R40k. Thats a great commuter despite being a single.

edit:....... and then this gets posted...http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=239862.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Fudge on August 13, 2019, 08:03:56 pm
Hi,

My office recently moved, as a result my commute has increased from 20km/day to over 50km/day.
I've always commuted on a sinlge cylinder bike... recently a Yamaha DT175, and XR500R or DRZ400 previously.
I suspect the singles won't hold up to the the longer commute for very long, so i'm considering upgrading to a larger bike.

Budget is around R55k.
Looking for something in the 650-800cc range (twin/4 cylinder), reliability is a priority, no super bikes.
So far i've consider the Suzuki DL650, Honda Africa Twin XRV750 & Transalp 700, and Triumph Tiger 800 XC (although it may be a bit out of budget).
I've ridden the Transalp, and although a sensible choice for a commuter, it's just too placid/boring for my liking.

Are there any other bikes i should consider?
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and experience.  :ricky:

A very overlooked (and underrated) bike in that company is the Kawasaki Versys 650. My son has been commuting on his for two years now and won't change for anything.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: chopperpilot on August 13, 2019, 08:07:27 pm
There's an 800 BMW on here going for R50k, 60 something on the clock. :o

There is already interest, so be quick, if you're interested. ;)
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: mtr89 on August 13, 2019, 08:19:29 pm
Yamaha MT-07
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: the_BOBNOB on August 13, 2019, 09:10:03 pm
If you want to buy a new bike then buy a new bike.

Don't use the commute as an excuse.

Singles can do it. Small bikes can do it unless you want to commute at 120kph+

That being said I commuted thousands and thousands of km on my single cylinder F650GS Dakar and it can do 120/130 kph all day long.

But the most enjoyable commuter I have had (still have) is my little Honda CB400SF. Man that bike is a barrel of laughs all day long  :ricky:
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: KarooKid on August 13, 2019, 09:54:58 pm
I know you are looking for a bike but........

My commute recently changed from 9km one way to 40km one way and now includes a 10km stretch of N7

So I had a few requirements when deciding on a commuter.

1. Not too expensive
2. Cheap on fuel
3. Must be able to keep up with traffic on the highway
4. Reliability

I considered everything from a KTM390 Duke to a Honda NC750

In the end I bought the most unlikely thing ever - a SYM300 Citycom scooter.

It is probably one of the best things I have done ever. Not buying with my heart but with my head.

I have done 1200 in the month that I have had it and here is what I can report

1. It cost me R52k new on the road. SYM is backed by Kawasaki South Africa and comes with a 2 year unlimited km warranty.
2. It costs me around R150 a week for fuel. More or less 32km/L
3. It goes like clappers. I pass most vehicles on the highway and cruise at 120km/h
4. A scooter is much warmer than a bike in winter with more protection from the elements
5. It is really smooth and gets up to speed quite quickly
6. Its got a bigger diameter wheel which is nice for commuting
7. Running cost is cheap cheap.

These days I basically take it everywhere. Shops, work, friends and for a beer. Sold all my other bikes and hardly use the car.

Scooters might not be the coolest option but it makes a lot of sense for commuting. I intend riding it till near the end of the warranty and then trading it for a new model.

I almost prefer my scooter to an Adventure Bike. It is that much fun.

Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Altie7deLaan on August 14, 2019, 06:50:27 am
I know you are looking for a bike but........

My commute recently changed from 9km one way to 40km one way and now includes a 10km stretch of N7

So I had a few requirements when deciding on a commuter.

1. Not too expensive
2. Cheap on fuel
3. Must be able to keep up with traffic on the highway
4. Reliability

I considered everything from a KTM390 Duke to a Honda NC750

In the end I bought the most unlikely thing ever - a SYM300 Citycom scooter.

It is probably one of the best things I have done ever. Not buying with my heart but with my head.

I have done 1200 in the month that I have had it and here is what I can report

1. It cost me R52k new on the road. SYM is backed by Kawasaki South Africa and comes with a 2 year unlimited km warranty.
2. It costs me around R150 a week for fuel. More or less 32km/L
3. It goes like clappers. I pass most vehicles on the highway and cruise at 120km/h
4. A scooter is much warmer than a bike in winter with more protection from the elements
5. It is really smooth and gets up to speed quite quickly
6. Its got a bigger diameter wheel which is nice for commuting
7. Running cost is cheap cheap.

These days I basically take it everywhere. Shops, work, friends and for a beer. Sold all my other bikes and hardly use the car.

Scooters might not be the coolest option but it makes a lot of sense for commuting. I intend riding it till near the end of the warranty and then trading it for a new model.

I almost prefer my scooter to an Adventure Bike. It is that much fun.

Kyk, dit is nou behoorlike terugvoer en advies. Die ander groot voordeel is die "secure" pakplek wat n scooter bied.
Final drive = belt, of ketting?
Sal jy by tye vir ons meer terugvoer gee oor die scooter, soos jy  begin hoog km opsit asb Karookid?
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: onderbroek on August 14, 2019, 07:47:09 am
Honda NC700

Should be your best bet. Very economical. Enough storage space.
Not sure on service intervals and prices

+1

Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: TheBear on August 14, 2019, 08:45:06 am
DL650 a good choice, but so are the other on your list.  I would also look at (all already mentioned, but all worth a 2nd mention):

- Honda NC700/750
- BMW F650 / 700GS
- Kawasaki Versys


Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: KarooKid on August 14, 2019, 09:00:03 am
I know you are looking for a bike but........

My commute recently changed from 9km one way to 40km one way and now includes a 10km stretch of N7

So I had a few requirements when deciding on a commuter.

1. Not too expensive
2. Cheap on fuel
3. Must be able to keep up with traffic on the highway
4. Reliability

I considered everything from a KTM390 Duke to a Honda NC750

In the end I bought the most unlikely thing ever - a SYM300 Citycom scooter.

It is probably one of the best things I have done ever. Not buying with my heart but with my head.

I have done 1200 in the month that I have had it and here is what I can report

1. It cost me R52k new on the road. SYM is backed by Kawasaki South Africa and comes with a 2 year unlimited km warranty.
2. It costs me around R150 a week for fuel. More or less 32km/L
3. It goes like clappers. I pass most vehicles on the highway and cruise at 120km/h
4. A scooter is much warmer than a bike in winter with more protection from the elements
5. It is really smooth and gets up to speed quite quickly
6. Its got a bigger diameter wheel which is nice for commuting
7. Running cost is cheap cheap.

These days I basically take it everywhere. Shops, work, friends and for a beer. Sold all my other bikes and hardly use the car.

Scooters might not be the coolest option but it makes a lot of sense for commuting. I intend riding it till near the end of the warranty and then trading it for a new model.

I almost prefer my scooter to an Adventure Bike. It is that much fun.

Kyk, dit is nou behoorlike terugvoer en advies. Die ander groot voordeel is die "secure" pakplek wat n scooter bied.
Final drive = belt, of ketting?
Sal jy by tye vir ons meer terugvoer gee oor die scooter, soos jy  begin hoog km opsit asb Karookid?

Final Drive = Belt

I will keep you posted indeed. I am looking forward myself to see how it goes further down the line.

Easy quick commute in the rain this morning.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: KarooKid on August 14, 2019, 09:03:02 am
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Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Vulcan on August 14, 2019, 09:06:57 am
NC750 DCT. 
Best I got was 3,4 l per 100km.
12000km service intervals.
The Frunk.
Quick enough from standstill.
Tops out at 180km/h.
Can be used as ADV Lite bike.
It is a Honda and will therefore age well and be reliable.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Gérrard on August 14, 2019, 09:11:39 am
NC700.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Ganjora on August 14, 2019, 09:19:05 am
jussis.
even taking her for walks on the beach at sun set.
this is love.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: KarooKid on August 14, 2019, 01:23:43 pm
jussis.
even taking her for walks on the beach at sun set.
this is love.

She is such a cheap date. Just filled the tank - R136.40

Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 14, 2019, 01:29:43 pm
And with the scooter you can also enter and win rally events :pot:
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on August 14, 2019, 02:31:52 pm
as a commuter, the older Honda NC700, and the newer/replacement NC750, would be hard to beat; frugal on fuel, GREAT storage space, solid motor, etc.
(750 model rev limit is 1000 r.p.m. higher than older 700cc model, which makes riding this 'car-engine-characteristic' bike easier than the older 700cc, but both are solid.



...and the BMW 650 TWIN makes a great commuter, and since it is now 'discontinued', in favour of the 700GS, and then lately the 750 GS replacement, it can be had for not a lot of money, and will run and run, and run!


(under-stressed motor (800cc mechanically and electrically de-tuned to 650cc), tubeless tyres, 19 inch front wheel for better ROAD handling, etc etc. Well capable of good gravel roads, etc, when a bash plate is fitted. Parts readily available, and new spares often surprisingly affordable (given the propeller brand image).


And yes, scooters ARE underrated, got a customer - Alan, who when faced with any shortish trip, reaches not for the 1200 GS, but his scooter!


Cheers
Chris



Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on August 14, 2019, 02:51:38 pm
Have a look at the NC750

Good value for money, well built Honda, you can pick them up for a steal but if you want to be impressed check out its running cost per km

I commute with the Transalp 700.. also a rock solid bike
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Odd Dog on August 14, 2019, 05:09:04 pm
Yamaha MT-07

Great commuter but a bit more than he wants to pay.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 14, 2019, 05:25:25 pm
Thanks for the great response and all the suggestions... it seems like i have lots of research and test riding to do!

Will definitely give the Versys and Honda NC some serious consideration.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Sym300 Charl. I had definitely not had a scooter in mind, but will pop into Suzuki South to go check it out.
It does sound ideal for the application.

The MT-07 would probably be my first choice if i could afford it.

I already have a XR650R, although the BMW F650GS is a great bike (and very different from the XR), i can't justify having two 650 singles in the garage.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 14, 2019, 05:55:22 pm
Does anyone have experience with the XRV750?
Seen a few recently with low km in the R40 - 50k range.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: steveindar on August 14, 2019, 06:20:50 pm
Does anyone have experience with the XRV750?
Seen a few recently with low km in the R40 - 50k range.
Not good town bikes.

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Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Oubones on August 14, 2019, 06:59:41 pm
pm sent
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 14, 2019, 08:09:17 pm
Does anyone have experience with the XRV750?
Seen a few recently with low km in the R40 - 50k range.
Not good town bikes.

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My commute is mostly on the freeway. M5, N1 and N7 for this who know CT.
100 - 120km/h speed limit
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on August 14, 2019, 10:28:08 pm
NC700/750 would be my first choice, wife has the 700 and fantastic bike for commuting, cheap to run and maintain.
 
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: KarooKid on August 15, 2019, 08:37:41 am
Thanks for the great response and all the suggestions... it seems like i have lots of research and test riding to do!

Will definitely give the Versys and Honda NC some serious consideration.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Sym300 Charl. I had definitely not had a scooter in mind, but will pop into Suzuki South to go check it out.
It does sound ideal for the application.

The MT-07 would probably be my first choice if i could afford it.

I already have a XR650R, although the BMW F650GS is a great bike (and very different from the XR), i can't justify having two 650 singles in the garage.

Bought mine from Suzuki South as well. Great service from Stewart and the guys and one of the few places who actually had one I could take for a test ride.

If you can't find one to take for a ride let me know. You are more than welcome to take mine.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: grego on August 15, 2019, 09:06:55 am
Thanks for the great response and all the suggestions... it seems like i have lots of research and test riding to do!

Will definitely give the Versys and Honda NC some serious consideration.
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Sym300 Charl. I had definitely not had a scooter in mind, but will pop into Suzuki South to go check it out.
It does sound ideal for the application.

The MT-07 would probably be my first choice if i could afford it.

I already have a XR650R, although the BMW F650GS is a great bike (and very different from the XR), i can't justify having two 650 singles in the garage.

Bought mine from Suzuki South as well. Great service from Stewart and the guys and one of the few places who actually had one I could take for a test ride.

If you can't find one to take for a ride let me know. You are more than welcome to take mine.
Thanks, appreciate the offer. Will keep you posted
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: BuRP on August 15, 2019, 10:10:28 am
I know you are looking for a bike but........ I bought the most unlikely thing ever - a < .. > scooter.

Look at the gazillion scooters zooming over the ringroads of the major European cities, Paris especially - for commuting they make good sense.
They more than keep up with the traffic but can go in-between it, the only thing that stops them is traffic lights.
The storage space is large if not carnivorous, some take two helmets plus other goodies.
Fairly protected from the elements one does not need to don boots & leathers, a good jacket will do.
Once in town there's nothing quicker on an automatic scooter, and quite frankly this is good fun then.
 
KarooKid's buy makes sense - and on a weekend you can jump on whatever wheelying monster you prefer  :P
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Gérrard on August 15, 2019, 10:57:37 am
Does anyone have experience with the XRV750?
Seen a few recently with low km in the R40 - 50k range.

Yes, plenty. Great bike, low maintenance, but not that light on fuel. I used to get around 22km/l in town. Not such a good commuter in traffic. Heavy on the steering, but if you going to do more high way you will be hard pressed to get better value for money for the bike you get. And it can go anywhere if you have the skills.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: Gérrard on August 15, 2019, 11:01:27 am
If I had to have a bike for commuting only, and fuel consumption was not a big concern, it would be a 650 V-Strom. Inexpensive, great value for money, comfortable, eats the kilo's, bullet proof and low on maintenance. It just ticks all the boxes.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 15, 2019, 11:16:30 am
If I had to have a bike for commuting only, and fuel consumption was not a big concern, it would be a 650 V-Strom. Inexpensive, great value for money, comfortable, eats the kilo's, bullet proof and low on maintenance. It just ticks all the boxes.

In this case, the V-strom would be my choice too.
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on August 15, 2019, 11:49:24 am
If I had to have a bike for commuting only, and fuel consumption was not a big concern, it would be a 650 V-Strom. Inexpensive, great value for money, comfortable, eats the kilo's, bullet proof and low on maintenance. It just ticks all the boxes.

In this case, the V-strom would be my choice too.
And they are tubeliss. Plug and go. Had a client that had 52 bikes in his lifetime of all sizes. He said the Vstrom 650 was the bike he enjoyed the most.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Commuter suggestions - 650-800cc
Post by: BuRP on August 15, 2019, 11:50:30 am
650 V-Strom. Inexpensive, great value for money, comfortable, eats the kilo's, bullet proof and low on maintenance. It just ticks all the boxes.

..... plus it's dead happy to go offroad, Sani included.