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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: chicco on August 22, 2019, 06:31:25 pm

Title: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 22, 2019, 06:31:25 pm
I see the karoo 3 are stock tyres on a lot of new adventure bikes, have anyone compared them to the TKC 80 on a new 790, 1290 or 1250 GS?
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: KarooKid on August 22, 2019, 08:55:42 pm
I would rather ride on a im than a Karoo 3.

There must be a reason why they are fitted as stock............
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 07:16:01 am
 :)
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 07:17:57 am
 ???
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: m0lt3n on August 23, 2019, 07:29:29 am
I would rather ride on a im than a Karoo 3.

There must be a reason why they are fitted as stock............

rather ride on rim? why?

Have never heard bad things of the karoo. They give very good traction offroad and can handle high speeds on road. At the cost of giving low mileage. (Some guys at a different skill level of us love them and have shown the proof is in the pudding)

the TKC is the save classic knoblly for adventure bikes, but there has been some bad badges out there making bubbles so I wont choose one above the karoo.

I haven't compared them yet, but think if push comes to shove I would buy the cheaper of the 2. Both would be good enough.

Have a TKC front now which I inherited, looking forward to testing it.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 07:32:15 am
The there is also the new kid on the block....so may options....
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Roadhawg on August 23, 2019, 07:38:41 am
The scorpion rally is pretty old. 3 or 4 years at least.

The STR is the new, more streetable version of the Scorpion Rally
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 07:45:43 am
TKC 80
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Tman21 on August 23, 2019, 07:57:01 am
I see the karoo 3 are stock tyres on a lot of new adventure bikes, have anyone compared them to the TKC 80 on a new 790, 1290 or 1250 GS?

I Found this the other day:

http://www.hambanani.co.za/downloads/Tyre-Test-August-2016.pdf
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Losper on August 23, 2019, 09:05:59 am
I would rather ride on a rim than a Karoo 3.
Totally agree.
The rear is ok but the front is very very lively in sand.
Perhaps I am too critical,  for normal gravel it should probably be fine,but personally I think there are a lot of better options out there.

Winning combination for myself:  TKC80 front and Mitas EO7+ rear
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Koet on August 23, 2019, 10:11:45 am
I've just fitted Anakee Wilds to the AT.  I've done less than 300KM on them and all on tar so can't give any comment on handling off-road.  What I did notice is headshake developing at 150km/h which I wasn't expecting.  Slow down and it's gone.  I've heard that lowering pressure might help with that?
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Edgar on August 23, 2019, 10:44:04 am
I like the "look" of the TKC80, so fitted them to me previous bike. On tar the bike felt like it had no grip, now I know it's a off road tyre, but in order to get to the place where you go off road you have to travel on tar. The other thing is mileage. The TKC80 won't last long.

Just my personal observations. I still like the tyre.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 11:50:45 am
I like the "look" of the TKC80, so fitted them to me previous bike. On tar the bike felt like it had no grip, now I know it's a off road tyre, but in order to get to the place where you go off road you have to travel on tar. The other thing is mileage. The TKC80 won't last long.

Just my personal observations. I still like the tyre.

Ill be shitscared to fit a TKC 80 on a 1290 ktm....on my 990 I got average 1500km on the back.....
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 11:55:07 am
I see the karoo 3 are stock tyres on a lot of new adventure bikes, have anyone compared them to the TKC 80 on a new 790, 1290 or 1250 GS?

I Found this the other day:

http://www.hambanani.co.za/downloads/Tyre-Test-August-2016.pdf

 :thumleft:

So according to this test,

TKC 80 - KTM 790 and KTM 1090
Scorpion Rally - KTM 1290
Karoo 3 - BMW 1250
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Roadhawg on August 23, 2019, 12:07:03 pm
I have a TKC on the front of the 1290 and it's been great.  Sure, the rears wear quickly, but the front is good for me.  I've done silly things on tar when I've forgotten that I'm using knobblies, and it's never really gotten out of shape too much.

TKC80 front Motoz Tractionator ADV rear works really well for me. Just gotta try to be nice to the rear tyre.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 12:14:11 pm
Some BMW feedback on the Anakee Wilds....I really like the look of this tyre.

http://bmwmotorradclubcape.co.za/anakee-wild-rear-2700kms-later
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 23, 2019, 12:15:15 pm
I have a TKC on the front of the 1290 and it's been great.  Sure, the rears wear quickly, but the front is good for me.  I've done silly things on tar when I've forgotten that I'm using knobblies, and it's never really gotten out of shape too much.

TKC80 front Motoz Tractionator ADV rear works really well for me. Just gotta try to be nice to the rear tyre.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: BuRP on August 23, 2019, 12:15:28 pm
"So which is the best tyre for the latest 1200 GS? The answer is simple. There isnít one!"

What a surprise!
< dripping wif sarcasm...  ::) )
Back to the drawing board then?
No way Hose, we all have our own preferences as well as bikes, so we'll all prefer different tyres  :P
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Grunder on August 23, 2019, 01:20:43 pm
"So which is the best tyre for the latest 1200 GS? The answer is simple. There isnít one!"

What a surprise!
< dripping wif sarcasm...  ::) )
Back to the drawing board then?
No way Hose, we all have our own preferences as well as bikes, so we'll all prefer different tyres  :P

The price will always win  :thumleft:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=240209.0;topicseen
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Jacobsroodt on August 23, 2019, 01:34:39 pm
A Karoo 3 rear on a R1200GSA got a puncture on the first bit of gravel we hit other side of Worcester the other day. It turned out to be a very small rock with not that a sharp edge. The road was really not bad at all - it was a well kept gravel road for grape farmers.
Karoo 3 is off my list
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Jacobsroodt on August 23, 2019, 01:39:38 pm
TKC80 wobbles in front on my KTM 1090 Adv over 170km/h, but only after the fitment of a top box. Without topbox it goes over 200 without issues.
It wobbled on the F800GS as wel. Good thing is it reminds you that you are going a bit fast☺
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Roadhawg on August 23, 2019, 02:02:11 pm
TKC80 wobbles in front on my KTM 1090 Adv over 170km/h, but only after the fitment of a top box. Without topbox it goes over 200 without issues.
It wobbled on the F800GS as wel. Good thing is it reminds you that you are going a bit fast☺

That tyre os only rated for 190km/h.   Just saying.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: 73 Peanut on August 25, 2019, 07:06:34 am
Karoo3  has a nice feel on the front when cornering and is quieter.  Look at the outer pattern of the knobs .
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: YoungGSer on August 25, 2019, 06:24:16 pm
I fitted an Anakee Wild on the front of my GSA for my recent Tankwa trip. I liked it off road as it bites nicely into the soil.

On road it takes time to get up to temp and lacks a lot of feel in the corners. It also sings a lot when riding in town.

Overall I like the tyre for off road but for longer trips i will probably go back to the EO7 on the front... or try something new again.


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Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: RobC on August 26, 2019, 10:10:43 am
Some BMW feedback on the Anakee Wilds....I really like the look of this tyre.

http://bmwmotorradclubcape.co.za/anakee-wild-rear-2700kms-later
I have a set on my KLR at the moment, pretty happy overall as we did a round Lesotho trip December, tar and dirt, never gave me any issues, surefooted on tar and dirt.
Impressed actually,  the front tube failed somewhere between Marquard and Bethlehem... actually rode it flat at 120K for may kilos... it only started wobbling badly when we slowed down to 60K. The tyre never wanted to climb off the rim and that probably saved us from a major off. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Archangel on August 26, 2019, 01:41:32 pm
I hated the Karoo 3

Due to good reviews from other riders and to give them a fair chance, I tried them on a KTM 950, XT600 and Husky TE610

I found them to have reasonably good forward propulsion but loads of sideways movement in the corners. So yes, they're great if you plan on going in a straight line.  :ricky:

This is a previous review I did...  (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=117329.msg2743756#msg2743756)

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I spent a bit of time in Atlantis this weekend on the XT with the K3's. Something i've found is that these tires have great push in a forward direction in sand, but slides from side to side more than other tires i've ridden here. It could be because of the shape of the grooves: They are all in lines, so not much grip if your rear is already moving in a sidewards direction.

As you can see in the pictures, the Karoo 3 doesn't have big gaps between the knobs if you look at them from side to side. Compare them to a KTC 80 for example. The TKC has large gaps between the knobs if you were to move from side to side. This provides the tire with more grip and less sideways movement. This is most noticeable in side and loose gravel.

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117329.0;attach=332586;image)

(http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=117329.0;attach=332587;image)
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Grunder on August 26, 2019, 02:00:24 pm
I hated the Karoo 3

Due to good reviews from other riders and to give them a fair chance, I tried them on a KTM 950, XT600 and Husky TE610

I found them to have reasonably good forward propulsion but loads of sideways movement in the corners. So yes, they're great if you plan on going in a straight line.  :ricky:

This is a previous review I did...  (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=117329.msg2743756#msg2743756)

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I spent a bit of time in Atlantis this weekend on the XT with the K3's. Something i've found is that these tires have great push in a forward direction in sand, but slides from side to side more than other tires i've ridden here. It could be because of the shape of the grooves: They are all in lines, so not much grip if your rear is already moving in a sidewards direction.

As you can see in the pictures, the Karoo 3 doesn't have big gaps between the knobs if you look at them from side to side. Compare them to a KTC 80 for example. The TKC has large gaps between the knobs if you were to move from side to side. This provides the tire with more grip and less sideways movement. This is most noticeable in side and loose gravel.

I ran into a guy who said its the ONLY tires he puts on his gsa.  Especially the front!!

Sticks the best in a gravel corner!!

I'll send you his number and you can set him straight  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 26, 2019, 03:58:24 pm
Spoken to an expert in Bloemfontein....he switched from TKC to Karoo 3 on his GSA. Not as sticky as the TKC's but gives double the milage. Always had to carry a spare back TKC on his Africa adventure but with the Karoo he can complete the trip on one set.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 28, 2019, 07:27:23 am
See Bridgestone has a new adv tyre, anyone fitted one?
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: m0lt3n on August 28, 2019, 07:55:45 am
pronounced BattleAx I will fit those just for the name!
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: WildWood on August 28, 2019, 08:38:11 am
I think there is  to much talk about tires and most of the stuff is in peoples heads. It has to be round and rubber.

All the manufacturers make decent product and the choice should be about your level of compromise between dirt and road bias.That said , on the big bikes a good 50/50 tire like the old Pirelli Scorpions standard on the 950'990 is still about the best compromise.
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: m0lt3n on August 28, 2019, 10:29:43 am
I think there is  to much talk about tires and most of the stuff is in peoples heads. It has to be round and rubber.

All the manufacturers make decent product and the choice should be about your level of compromise between dirt and road bias.That said , on the big bikes a good 50/50 tire like the old Pirelli Scorpions standard on the 950'990 is still about the best compromise.

amen
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 28, 2019, 11:03:03 am
The problem is the older adventure bikes KTM 990, BMW 1150 you never had to worry about speed rating when on tar while you had a knobby fitted. these days most adventure bikes can do twice the speed limit and most knobby tyres are onlyt rated 160-190km/h....
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Tman21 on August 28, 2019, 01:05:46 pm
The problem is the older adventure bikes KTM 990, BMW 1150 you never had to worry about speed rating when on tar while you had a knobby fitted. these days most adventure bikes can do twice the speed limit and most knobby tyres are onlyt rated 160-190km/h....

But you are very naughty if you do things like this.  :patch: But on a serious note, anything north of 150/160 gets uncomfortable on our roads regardless of bike or tyre.

Speed rating probably for the German market . . .  :ricky:
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: chicco on August 28, 2019, 02:17:06 pm
The problem is the older adventure bikes KTM 990, BMW 1150 you never had to worry about speed rating when on tar while you had a knobby fitted. these days most adventure bikes can do twice the speed limit and most knobby tyres are onlyt rated 160-190km/h....

But you are very naughty if you do things like this.  :patch: But on a serious note, anything north of 150/160 gets uncomfortable on our roads regardless of bike or tyre.

Speed rating probably for the German market . . .  :ricky:

Dis die probleem met die 1290 en 1250, daai etterse goed wil gery word.....
Title: Re: Karoo 3 vs TKC 80
Post by: Tman21 on August 29, 2019, 07:50:38 am
Sal graag 'n unrestricted 1250 will ry! :laughing4:

Maar vir nou geen klagtes oor speed ratings, ekt maar 'n 1200 en wag vir 'n stel karoo Streets!