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Title: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on September 02, 2019, 04:14:47 pm

Get ready for a lot of tracking and hitting that refresh button!
Laia has competition  :thumleft:

Kirsten Landman
Taye Perry
Donovan Van de Langenberg (Malle Moto)  ------------ http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209016.0
Graeme Sharp
Kenneth Gilbert
Ross Branch Botswana
Stuart Gregory (Malle Moto)
Wessel Bosman (Malle Moto)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Serf on September 02, 2019, 04:41:44 pm
Lekker!!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gser on September 03, 2019, 08:21:56 am
Lekker  . . . lets go . .
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Ventana on September 03, 2019, 12:30:21 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on September 05, 2019, 09:03:37 am
Looking more and more likely that Fernando Alonso will be driving a Hilux in the Dakar. Should be interesting. The NW boys should go scope him out at the Lichtenburg 400 next weekend, and report back!  :biggrin:
https://www.wheels24.co.za/Motorsport/dakar-2020-alonso-testing-toyota-sas-hilux-bakkie-in-poland-20190904
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: reubenvn on September 05, 2019, 09:06:56 am


Lekker Video of Alonso test

&t=7s
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Operator on September 13, 2019, 08:19:30 pm
2020 Dakar.......... Alonso driving for Toyota Gazoo............ With Marc Coma as navigator!

Coma will also be at Lichtenburg 400 this weekend
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Willem-Ben on September 16, 2019, 03:06:19 pm
Just a pity Dstv only shows 15 minutes of racing  each day the rest is just talking
How are you going to enjoy this - Streaming from other channel?
Pls share
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rooi Wolf on September 23, 2019, 05:44:26 am

Get ready for a lot of tracking and hitting that refresh button!
Laia has competition  :thumleft:

Kirsten Landman
Taye Perry
Donovan Van de Langenberg (Malle Moto)  ------------ http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209016.0
Graeme Sharp
Kenneth Gilbert
Ross Branch Botswana
Stuart Gregory (Malle Moto)
Wessel Bosman (Malle Moto)

Wow, excellent to see so many Saffa's in the mix. Even better to see the women's field expanding on a yearly basis  :thumleft:

Going to be an interresting one with the new venue and all. Hope they lay out a lekker route.

How many days' racing is planned?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on September 25, 2019, 12:43:55 pm

Get ready for a lot of tracking and hitting that refresh button!
Laia has competition  :thumleft:

Kirsten Landman
Taye Perry
Donovan Van de Langenberg (Malle Moto)  ------------ http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=209016.0
Graeme Sharp
Kenneth Gilbert
Ross Branch Botswana
Stuart Gregory (Malle Moto)
Wessel Bosman (Malle Moto)

Wow, excellent to see so many Saffa's in the mix. Even better to see the women's field expanding on a yearly basis  :thumleft:

Going to be an interresting one with the new venue and all. Hope they lay out a lekker route.

How many days' racing is planned?

05 Jan until 17 Jan
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on September 27, 2019, 03:15:28 pm
This place looks amazing. I think it's going to be a good Dakar!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69718459_2565786653480626_5932619522597978112_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_oc=AQm53fH-4Z2YB4BIi4W4wLvmVi-mdMFfsS7grFr1IGDo0JyE-NJJpbHwFshutyqx6KM&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=c835a44ae737df0eceffa09d893ade29&oe=5E35EB02)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 02, 2019, 08:43:44 am
Mmmmmm.... some serious racing pedigree in that room!  :thumleft:   Is that Mr Coma in the background? Heard somewhere he will be co-pilot with Alonso?

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71179668_2574893912567921_1808255276852183040_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQnOlAmYrHnRHRsHo1r75rnnAmWYJVQGk2GZYTgqgAxIDqp6adBTK1ROz_OAc_nNPNs&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=040e07ccf018460d6693995f291a97af&oe=5DF723CA)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on October 02, 2019, 08:05:54 pm
What is Peterhansel racing next tear ? I stand corrected but Peugeot pulled out ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 04, 2019, 12:27:57 pm
 :thumleft:

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71821015_2656202027734320_857100250500825088_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmSW4p4xgBMALwbQ_nTLn0BO62qj-F1yjClmWfF8cpfDPSvLXKCgdHbzVwHPtQsLY4&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=2c7e76d3929282d866555500dd471b51&oe=5DF527EE)

Coma and Alonso in the Hilux!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on October 04, 2019, 01:13:47 pm
Its going to be a good one. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on October 04, 2019, 01:23:53 pm

The route
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on October 04, 2019, 01:58:17 pm

The route
Look a bit less adventurous than before  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: YamaV on October 04, 2019, 02:31:11 pm
Why did the route change to Saudi Arabia?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 04, 2019, 03:36:16 pm
Why did the route change to Saudi Arabia?

The whole Dakar moved to Saudi - not happening in South America anymore.

https://www.autosport.com/dakar/news/142793/dakar-rally-completes-saudi-arabia-switch
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 07, 2019, 10:01:29 am
Toyota Gazoo Racing updates from Marc Coma...   :thumleft:
 
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on October 14, 2019, 04:45:05 pm
Lekker i cannot wait  :) Eish ja gonna be interesting to see that combinationnof Coma and Alonso together. They gonna have ton really drive crazy to catch the Arab though :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on October 14, 2019, 04:46:45 pm
Anyone have peechers of Toby,s 2020 office yet  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: I&horse on October 14, 2019, 05:16:42 pm
Interesting to see Marc as co-driver, must be for his navigation skills because FA is used to driving around a track :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 16, 2019, 08:52:35 am
Anyone have peechers of Toby,s 2020 office yet  8)

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70265492_3051929708211400_3856245917246029824_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQlNlHb6vD9MPgeicMUipU3Eg1OuF1BlhkH80dG1xy19t3c7-C-qwTWQ7NojrlNWM8w&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=d7e23faf55870789896e022e96c39156&oe=5E2CA35F)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on October 25, 2019, 02:24:42 pm
Taye Perry can ride....  :eek7:   :thumleft:

(https://www.backabuddy.co.za/misc/projects/TP1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on October 25, 2019, 02:28:12 pm
Taye Perry can ride....  :eek7:   :thumleft:

(https://www.backabuddy.co.za/misc/projects/TP1.jpg)
Is she competing on a Honda ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Buff on October 25, 2019, 02:32:24 pm
No, she'll be riding a rental... KTM450 Rally  :thumleft:

BTW, that photo of her was shot at the Tankwa XC Rally by my daughters friend... and yes, she rides like a little demon  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on October 28, 2019, 11:23:25 am
Why did the route change to Saudi Arabia?

Money.  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on October 28, 2019, 05:03:28 pm
Why did the route change to Saudi Arabia?

Money.  :3some:

It was becoming waaaay too expensive to run it over there.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on October 29, 2019, 09:01:22 pm
Eish it is only 80 days to the 19th consecutive win for KTM and we only have 3 people here ??
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on November 05, 2019, 03:10:27 pm
Eish it is only 80 days to the 19th consecutive win for KTM and we only have 3 people here ??

Sad but as it get s closer to day 0 it will go moggie again- here with some stuff to chew on- Stuart Gregory getting his KTM crated in DBN
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Tony the Boney on November 05, 2019, 03:17:13 pm
Mooi  :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on November 05, 2019, 06:20:06 pm
Just spotted something interesting. HRC has signed a South African expat rider, Aaron Mare. I've never heard of him though, seems like he's been doing some racing abroad.

Awards
2017-2018 Emirates Desert Champion
2018 Desert Storm Rally Champion
2011 Qualified 125cc Junior World Championship
2008 Top 15 85cc Junior World Championship
2008 3rd 85cc South African Nationals
2003 2nd 65cc South African Nationals

https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/report/eicma-2020-teams-presentation/

Quote
The new HRC teams for 2020 have been revealed in the auditorium of the EICMA motorcycle show in Milan, with Monster Energy Honda Team showing off their most recent signing.

The Stella Polare Auditorium at Milan’s EICMA hosted the presentation of the new 2020 HRC line-ups. In the audience, leading journalists from the motorcycle world gave a rapturous greeting to the announcement of next season’s squads for the various disciplines in which HRC’s riders will officially compete: MotoGP, Superbike, Motocross, Trial and Rally. The main protagonists at the event were accompanied on the rostrum by Noriake Abe, Chief Officer for Motorcycle Operations at Honda Motor Co. and Shigeki Nomura, HRC President.

American Ricky Brabec, Argentinian Kevin Benavides, Spanish Joan Barreda, Chilean José Ignacio Cornejo and South African Aaron Maré will be the five Honda HRC riders who line up for the 2020 Dakar Rally on its maiden residence in the Middle East.

Two Monster Energy Honda Team riders, Kevin Benavides and Ricky Brabec, attended the presentation, given that team-mates Joan Barreda, José Ignacio Cornejo and the squad’s newcomer Aaron Maré, are all currently involved elsewhere in final testing before the great challenge.

Aaron Maré, new team member
Monster Energy Honda Team has incorporated South African rider Aaron Maré into the ranks who is set to make his official 2020 Dakar Rally debut at the event in Saudi Arabia from January 5-17. Maré, with a motocross background, has previously participated with the team in a supporting role in the Cross-Country Rallies events in Chile and Morocco, is currently involved in private training in the build-up to the 2020 Dakar. The recent achievements of Aaron Maré include first place clinched at the Dubai International Baja and the UAE Baja Championship, as well as victory in the Desert Storm Rally.

more information, click here: https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/rider/aaron-mare/

Former rider Ruben Faria as been appointed as Monster Energy Honda Team General Manager. Faria was the Sporting Manager of the Team in the last Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on November 05, 2019, 06:21:46 pm
https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/rider/aaron-mare/

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Aaron Maré
Aaron Maré got his first motorcycle at age four to ride in motocross. He subsequently went on to notch up numerous victories and some regional titles in South Africa, in addition to making it onto the national podium on various occasions.

Aaron Maré
Background
In 2008 the rider made the leap to the Junior World Championship where he competed in MX 85, finishing in the top 20. He moved residence between Holland and Belgium and continued racing in Motocross in Europe before moving on to the United States where he graduated into the highest category, competing in the AMA Outdoor Nationals until 2015. Maré’s nomadic spirit made him settle in Dubai, where he was bitten by the desert bug and ended up falling in love with racing in the sand. In his first season competing in the Baja he finished third, with greater successes to follow, such as the triumph in the Emirates Baja Desert Championship, the UAE Rally Championship and also the Desert Storm Rally in India, even outclassing several factory riders. In 2019 he clinched victory in the Dubai International Baja, a points-paying event towards the FIM Bajas World Cup.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bwana on November 05, 2019, 07:18:21 pm
https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/rider/aaron-mare/

Quote
Aaron Maré
Aaron Maré got his first motorcycle at age four to ride in motocross. He subsequently went on to notch up numerous victories and some regional titles in South Africa, in addition to making it onto the national podium on various occasions.

Aaron Maré
Background
In 2008 the rider made the leap to the Junior World Championship where he competed in MX 85, finishing in the top 20. He moved residence between Holland and Belgium and continued racing in Motocross in Europe before moving on to the United States where he graduated into the highest category, competing in the AMA Outdoor Nationals until 2015. Maré’s nomadic spirit made him settle in Dubai, where he was bitten by the desert bug and ended up falling in love with racing in the sand. In his first season competing in the Baja he finished third, with greater successes to follow, such as the triumph in the Emirates Baja Desert Championship, the UAE Rally Championship and also the Desert Storm Rally in India, even outclassing several factory riders. In 2019 he clinched victory in the Dubai International Baja, a points-paying event towards the FIM Bajas World Cup.

I know who I will be routing for.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on November 07, 2019, 12:32:06 pm
Official racing numbers...  :thumleft:  Min dae....

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Swazi Phil on November 07, 2019, 01:37:50 pm
Sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: I&horse on November 07, 2019, 01:53:42 pm
Is Stuart doing Malle Moto? Is that why his number background is red?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: saklx650c on November 07, 2019, 02:57:49 pm
Anyone packing their bags and riding up to the start in Jeddah? - Planning a ride section. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on November 07, 2019, 04:45:24 pm
 :ricky:
Cheering for #'s 18, 100, 117 and 120.
You go guys and girls!

What has happened to @donovanwho ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on November 08, 2019, 02:16:32 pm
123 = Wessel Bosman
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Skaiidawg on November 09, 2019, 07:54:33 pm
Anyone packing their bags and riding up to the start in Jeddah? - Planning a ride section. :thumleft:

Where do you intend to ride from?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on November 10, 2019, 03:40:38 pm
:ricky:
Cheering for #'s 18, 100, 117 and 120.
You go guys and girls!

What has happened to @donovanwho ?

Saw now on facebook he has withdrawn due to injury not healing well enough, already entered for 2021
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 10, 2019, 04:10:51 pm
Why did the route change to Saudi Arabia?

Money.  :3some:

It was becoming waaaay too expensive to run it over there.

I also think that the ever-worsening economical situation, with ensuing unrest, in South American countries plays a role too.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on November 12, 2019, 08:31:56 am
Toby's office....  :thumleft:

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on November 12, 2019, 09:14:49 am
I'm a Honda fanboy, but that KTM is just stunning  :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: saklx650c on November 12, 2019, 12:15:46 pm
Anyone packing their bags and riding up to the start in Jeddah? - Planning a ride section. :thumleft:

Where do you intend to ride from?

Not this year (ie: 2020) but maybe one day.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on November 14, 2019, 08:08:05 am
Laia now on a KTM owned Gas Gas!  :thumleft:

(https://scontent-jnb1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75380384_2595926623817164_3139217722932461568_o.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_oc=AQlvUne6eDWRZXMhalIfxraSPu1DtdH4W1EdF2kFRP8KxgioMOxvQifihLy4lSsBE5o&_nc_ht=scontent-jnb1-1.xx&oh=a349b70b867f88f92ac05948bd65fab2&oe=5E47E4D9)

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"It begins a new motivating stage for me with lots of opportunities for the future! GasGas has opened a new chapter of its history with KTM Group and even things happened very fast we are in the positive way. The bike looks great and we are ready for Dakar!! New colours, same goals! In January, full throttle!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 14, 2019, 11:12:48 am
I think you probably mean a Gas Gas owned KTM  ... GG makeup KTM underneath  :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on November 14, 2019, 10:03:33 pm
Just told my wife to buckle up for lots of tracking in January! looking forward to it Gents
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: evansv on November 16, 2019, 04:55:03 am
 :sip: 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 16, 2019, 05:18:16 pm
 >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 16, 2019, 07:06:03 pm
Goeie naand dames!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6xBpxNXExDfuKc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 20, 2019, 10:44:14 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on November 20, 2019, 01:32:41 pm
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📍Jeddah - Qiddiya 🏁
Dakar 2020 is a complete tour of Saudi Arabia : 7800KM : 65% sand and dunes...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 20, 2019, 04:47:40 pm
Some Honda peechers
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 20, 2019, 04:48:22 pm
The expat that got a Honda ride. Aaron Mare
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on November 20, 2019, 05:43:08 pm
Awesome!!
First time for ladies from Africa, not one but two, Kirsten and Taye.
And first Zimbabwean rider, Graeme Sharp.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 20, 2019, 06:39:46 pm
Awesome!!
First time for ladies from Africa, not one but two, Kirsten and Taye.
And first Zimbabwean rider, Graeme Sharp.

Not first Zim rider - Andy Macdonald rode the Dakar in 1999.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 12:34:24 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 12:40:25 pm
Hierdie kerels klink soos ek na 9 dubbel brannas, maar hulle bestuur seker so bietjie beter.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: cocky on November 22, 2019, 12:43:47 pm
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Holy shit, imagine if these guys were on 950/ 990 KTM's, the speeds would be off the chart.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 12:44:52 pm
The first hybrid powered truck to compete in the Dakar Rally.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 12:49:21 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 12:54:27 pm
Ek het my gat af gelag vir die 'announcer' :D

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 22, 2019, 01:03:19 pm
Temperatuur: Warm met 'n hoofletter P
Terrein: Morge en morge onbewerkte fokkol... en 'n paar kemele



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: chicco on November 22, 2019, 01:39:32 pm
Cant seen to find anything on BMW.... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on November 22, 2019, 02:50:32 pm
Ek het my gat af gelag vir die 'announcer' :D


Klink soos n trailer vir n Bollywood fliek
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on November 22, 2019, 02:51:34 pm
Cant seen to find anything on BMW.... :peepwall:
Sure they are racing 2007 bikes under some weird team name with Speedbrain kit  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Tuareg on November 22, 2019, 03:54:41 pm
Sub.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 22, 2019, 06:50:22 pm
Cant seen to find anything on BMW.... :peepwall:
Sure they are racing 2007 bikes under some weird team name with Speedbrain kit  :pot:

Yes you are essentially right - Team Hero that has had good top ten finishes. :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 24, 2019, 04:14:53 pm
Entries list on Dakar.com shows only these bikers that is from our part of the world.


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 24, 2019, 04:21:46 pm
See there is a Conrad Rautenbach from Zim piloting an SSV this year
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 24, 2019, 04:24:09 pm
And in the cars other than Geniel we have the Nissan back with 2 Zaffers
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on November 26, 2019, 10:31:47 pm
Guys I just want to say that this is my last year of hoping Barreda will do something - if he bails out again I’m done
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on November 27, 2019, 07:10:57 am
I feel that way about Honda in general. I've been backing Brabec for the last few years and he's been robbed (and robbed himself) of good podium finishes
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 27, 2019, 07:42:42 am
Guys I just want to say that this is my last year of hoping Barreda will do something - if he bails out again I’m done

I was done a few years back. His Prima Donna attitude does not work for Dakar. Yes he is awesome on a good day but you need a few of those strung together consistently.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 27, 2019, 01:22:32 pm
See Gonc is now with the Hero team

https://auto-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/auto.ndtv.com/news/hero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748536443405&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fauto.ndtv.com%2Fnews%2Fhero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 27, 2019, 02:29:22 pm
See Gonc is now with the Hero team

https://auto-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/auto.ndtv.com/news/hero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748536443405&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fauto.ndtv.com%2Fnews%2Fhero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044

Been racing with them most all year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Striggs on November 27, 2019, 07:50:30 pm
See Gonc is now with the Hero team

https://auto-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/auto.ndtv.com/news/hero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748536443405&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fauto.ndtv.com%2Fnews%2Fhero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044

Excuse my ignorance, what bikes are they riding?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 27, 2019, 07:53:09 pm
See Gonc is now with the Hero team

https://auto-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/auto.ndtv.com/news/hero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748536443405&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fauto.ndtv.com%2Fnews%2Fhero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044

Excuse my ignorance, what bikes are they riding?

BMW's  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Striggs on November 27, 2019, 07:58:20 pm
See Gonc is now with the Hero team

https://auto-ndtv-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/auto.ndtv.com/news/hero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCKAE%3D#aoh=15748536443405&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fauto.ndtv.com%2Fnews%2Fhero-motosports-announces-team-for-dakar-rally-2020-2139044


Ahaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Excuse my ignorance, what bikes are they riding?

BMW's  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 27, 2019, 09:01:57 pm
Hero is largely what Speedbrain was. Speedbrain used the BMW G450X as their RR base with engine made by Kymco. Husky 449RR was much the same. Interesting that what is essentially a 10 year old setup can get top ten finishes in Dakar and other top rallies. And ignorant d@@ses still like to dis the bikes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on November 27, 2019, 09:10:16 pm
Guys I just want to say that this is my last year of hoping Barreda will do something - if he bails out again I’m done

Hi guys this will hopefully be my last year that i hope Barredda bails again . . .  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on November 29, 2019, 10:51:44 am
Guys I just want to say that this is my last year of hoping Barreda will do something - if he bails out again I’m done

Hi guys this will hopefully be my last year that i hope Barredda bails again . . .  :imaposer:
Rynet gaan vir jou bliiiiksem  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 29, 2019, 07:19:09 pm
Guys I just want to say that this is my last year of hoping Barreda will do something - if he bails out again I’m done

Hi guys this will hopefully be my last year that i hope Barredda bails again . . .  :imaposer:
Rynet gaan vir jou bliiiiksem  :peepwall:

She must have dumped old bedroom eyes by now surely?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on November 29, 2019, 08:47:12 pm
LOL

Brilliant

I also have a soft spot for brabec - time to start picking who I’m rooting for (apart from everyone)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on November 29, 2019, 08:54:21 pm
For me it’s going to be 

AvB
Brabec
Soultrain

And Ross for a top 12
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on November 29, 2019, 09:17:08 pm
For me it’s going to be 

AvB
Brabec
Soultrain

And Ross for a top 12

What no first Price ?  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 30, 2019, 09:50:42 pm
Hero is largely what Speedbrain was. Speedbrain used the BMW G450X as their RR base with engine made by Kymco. Husky 449RR was much the same. Interesting that what is essentially a 10 year old setup can get top ten finishes in Dakar and other top rallies. And ignorant d@@ses still like to dis the bikes.

Would Hero try for a win, or just settle for a "top ten" position?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on November 30, 2019, 10:05:54 pm
For me it’s going to be 

AvB
Brabec
Soultrain

And Ross for a top 12

What no first Price ?  >:D

Lol

Yes I’m selecting those I would like to see do well as opposed to who do I think will win. I should’ve said that


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2019, 06:59:32 am
Hero is largely what Speedbrain was. Speedbrain used the BMW G450X as their RR base with engine made by Kymco. Husky 449RR was much the same. Interesting that what is essentially a 10 year old setup can get top ten finishes in Dakar and other top rallies. And ignorant d@@ses still like to dis the bikes.

Would Hero try for a win, or just settle for a "top ten" position?

Good question for Yamaha.  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 01, 2019, 08:53:28 am
Hero is largely what Speedbrain was. Speedbrain used the BMW G450X as their RR base with engine made by Kymco. Husky 449RR was much the same. Interesting that what is essentially a 10 year old setup can get top ten finishes in Dakar and other top rallies. And ignorant d@@ses still like to dis the bikes.

Would Hero try for a win, or just settle for a "top ten" position?

Good question for Yamaha.  :pot:

Yamaha would try for a win, undoubtedly, and will be fielding modern bikes. Hence my question, it is a strange tactic today, to field a ten-year old bike in competition anywhere.

It raises questions about whether Dakar competitiveness, as not MotoGP or MX would have a rider stand any chance on ten year old technology.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2019, 10:47:26 am
Hero is largely what Speedbrain was. Speedbrain used the BMW G450X as their RR base with engine made by Kymco. Husky 449RR was much the same. Interesting that what is essentially a 10 year old setup can get top ten finishes in Dakar and other top rallies. And ignorant d@@ses still like to dis the bikes.

Would Hero try for a win, or just settle for a "top ten" position?

Good question for Yamaha.  :pot:

Yamaha would try for a win, undoubtedly, and will be fielding modern bikes. Hence my question, it is a strange tactic today, to field a ten-year old bike in competition anywhere.

It raises questions about whether Dakar competitiveness, as not MotoGP or MX would have a rider stand any chance on ten year old technology.

I thought Yamaha prided themselves on 10 or more year old technology on the market. Just look at the T7 - will probably soon be 10 years old before we see it  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on December 01, 2019, 12:26:28 pm
The fact that Hero got top 10 (did they?) just shows me how piss poor Dakar has become under manufacturers. Besides KTM who releases actual Rally replica bikes ? No one. When Honda fielded a factory team they also entered on a modified CRF450X that was about 10 years old by then. Yamaha is not even factory and flip flops between a modified YZ and WR depending what they feel like that year. And now they have to race around a sand bowl in Saudi Arabia. Sorry but will rather follow the Africa Eco Race
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 01, 2019, 04:30:04 pm
The fact that Hero got top 10 (did they?) just shows me how piss poor Dakar has become under manufacturers. Besides KTM who releases actual Rally replica bikes ? No one. When Honda fielded a factory team they also entered on a modified CRF450X that was about 10 years old by then. Yamaha is not even factory and flip flops between a modified YZ and WR depending what they feel like that year. And now they have to race around a sand bowl in Saudi Arabia. Sorry but will rather follow the Africa Eco Race

This relates to my question of why any manufacturer would enter on ten year old technology, and all the BMW fanboys can do is to attack a D/S bike from another manufacturer. :pot:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2019, 05:23:31 pm
The fact that Hero got top 10 (did they?) just shows me how piss poor Dakar has become under manufacturers. Besides KTM who releases actual Rally replica bikes ? No one. When Honda fielded a factory team they also entered on a modified CRF450X that was about 10 years old by then. Yamaha is not even factory and flip flops between a modified YZ and WR depending what they feel like that year. And now they have to race around a sand bowl in Saudi Arabia. Sorry but will rather follow the Africa Eco Race

This relates to my question of why any manufacturer would enter on ten year old technology, and all the BMW fanboys can do is to attack a D/S bike from another manufacturer. :pot:

The reality is that Yamaha is also fielding 10 year old technology. Capiche.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on December 01, 2019, 05:44:31 pm
So what don't you hero's understand? the power plant was a good one, NOTHING around it is what it was, do you think the engine makes you go quickly, not  fark.. :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 01, 2019, 05:51:42 pm
So what don't you hero's understand? the power plant was a good one, NOTHING around it is what it was, do you think the engine makes you go quickly, not  fark.. :sip:

What no cornering ABS and traction control?  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 01, 2019, 08:35:01 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 01, 2019, 08:36:02 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 01, 2019, 10:12:37 pm
The fact that Hero got top 10 (did they?) just shows me how piss poor Dakar has become under manufacturers. Besides KTM who releases actual Rally replica bikes ? No one. When Honda fielded a factory team they also entered on a modified CRF450X that was about 10 years old by then. Yamaha is not even factory and flip flops between a modified YZ and WR depending what they feel like that year. And now they have to race around a sand bowl in Saudi Arabia. Sorry but will rather follow the Africa Eco Race

This relates to my question of why any manufacturer would enter on ten year old technology, and all the BMW fanboys can do is to attack a D/S bike from another manufacturer. :pot:

The reality is that Yamaha is also fielding 10 year old technology. Capiche.

So is KTM, nothing new in IC engines really, but it is the total package that needs to step up.

Why claim it to be 10 year old tech if it is not?

You are right, 10 years ago the Yamaha was also called "WR" or "YZ" but you're wrong, they have moved on.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 01, 2019, 10:27:40 pm
I thought I saw someone posting that Kenny Gilbert will be racing but I don't see his name on the official entry list?

Also, excuse my ignorance, I am completely out of touch, who is Aaron Mare? Tell me a little about him please? Is he racing Malle Moto, or open class?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 02, 2019, 06:57:54 am
I thought I saw someone posting that Kenny Gilbert will be racing but I don't see his name on the official entry list?

Also, excuse my ignorance, I am completely out of touch, who is Aaron Mare? Tell me a little about him please? Is he racing Malle Moto, or open class?

Aaron Mare is an official Honda factory rider - ex-pat is my understanding, successful MX carreer and more recently rally focus and results.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 02:39:21 pm
I thought I saw someone posting that Kenny Gilbert will be racing but I don't see his name on the official entry list?

Also, excuse my ignorance, I am completely out of touch, who is Aaron Mare? Tell me a little about him please? Is he racing Malle Moto, or open class?

Hi Dutchie also never before heard of Aaron but sure hope he does well
https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/rider/aaron-mare/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 02, 2019, 02:50:55 pm
I am super stoked for this years Dakar. I know many don't like the change in scenery but being 60% or more sand this time around and likely mostly off piste is much more in the spirit of the original race than the mix with a lot of roads thrown in over the last few years (they did great last year though). I think this year is going to be brutal.

Really hoping Honda can pull something off this time around, KTM has been having it too easy in my opinion, also the Honda bikes are better looking and deserve to win   :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 04:50:52 pm
I am super stoked for this years Dakar. I know many don't like the change in scenery but being 60% or more sand this time around and likely mostly off piste is much more in the spirit of the original race than the mix with a lot of roads thrown in over the last few years (they did great last year though). I think this year is going to be brutal.

Really hoping Honda can pull something off this time around, KTM has been having it too easy in my opinion, also the Honda bikes are better looking and deserve to win   :pot:

Eish soo many errors in this post . . .  :o 8)
* HONDA  and pulling something off in the same sentence . . .
* HONDA and better looking in the same sentence . . .
 :ricky: :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 02, 2019, 05:23:21 pm
Nice to see the old regulars back here again so early. :thumleft:

I agree Saudi is going to be interesting from a landscape POV, and hopefully the navigation will be more complicated.

The negatives are that it doesn't feel right that there wont be any long liaisons or border crossings.
I think it will be more like a longer Morocco rally.

I wonder if there will be any Israeli entrants....  :-\

Will women have to wear dookies?

So much of this does not feel right...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 02, 2019, 05:23:56 pm
Eish soo many errors in this post . . .  :o 8)
* HONDA  and pulling something off in the same sentence . . .
* HONDA and better looking in the same sentence . . .
 :ricky: :pot:

You're allowed to have your own opinion, so long as you accept that it's wrong  :deal:

Hell man, daai Honda's laat my mond water  :drif:

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/5be2175ad6eca3.05954062.jpg)

vs hierdie Oranje oogseer  :P

(https://enduro21.com/images/racing/2019/11_November/Rally/Dakar_2020_Factory_KTM_450_Rally_bike_detail_picture_gallery/Toby_Price-KTM_RALLY_450_Dakar_2020_1200.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 02, 2019, 05:26:48 pm
Nice to see the old regulars back here again so early. :thumleft:

I agree Saudi is going to be interesting from a landscape POV, and hopefully the navigation will be more complicated.

The negatives are that it doesn't feel right that there wont be any long liaisons or border crossings.
I think it will be more like a longer Morocco rally.

I wonder if there will be any Israeli entrants....  :-\

Will women have to wear dookies?

So much of this does not feel right...

I'm sure they're still going to add in long liaisons for the endurance factor, but yes that aspect will be different. Also no high altitude and extreme weather which I think was one of the great features of the race in South America.

As for the political side of things, ja that is a bit crap and I guess we'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. The one positive is that the Saudi's are motorsport mad and have tons of money so hopefully that bodes well for the sustainability of the race.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 02, 2019, 07:43:56 pm
But what about Kenny, kerels?


I agree Saudi is going to be interesting from a landscape POV...

If this sentence had no context you may have been the first in history to have made that statement!  ;D


Hi Dutchie also never before heard of Aaron but sure hope he does well
https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/rider/aaron-mare/

Wow! When I started reading the brief bio they wrote for him I felt a little guilty when reading the MX stuff that it was running through my mind that maybe he's not that good and then came his desert racing credentials. Is it just me or are those specific results pretty damn impressive?

I would most certainly have supported the hell out of him just for being a Saffer but now I'm extra excited to see what he can do considering the amount of sand he'll be fed at this Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 08:28:59 pm
Kyk nou net Ma se kind . . . 8)
Sorry guys but the man won last year with only 1 hand and this year there are now 2 hands  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 08:48:39 pm
Go TP go !
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 08:51:11 pm
Some Husqy photis
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on December 02, 2019, 09:17:39 pm

(https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2018/11/5be2175ad6eca3.05954062.jpg)

Yoh but that termignoni pipe is ugly , really

I agree that the long liaisons and high altitude will be missed. I am looking forward to more navigation and off piste riding (even though I know nothing about how it’s done )


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 02, 2019, 09:25:34 pm
Ok i will shamelessly start the 1st rumor. . . Princess Laya is NOT riding. . .  :patch:
Cannot find her on the current competitors list on Dakar.com. . .  !!! ??? :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Skaiidawg on December 02, 2019, 10:13:16 pm
Ok i will shamelessly start the 1st rumor. . . Princess Laya is NOT riding. . .  :patch:
Cannot find her on the current competitors list on Dakar.com. . .  !!! ??? :eek7:

I see her name next to nr 14, however with no bio.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 02, 2019, 11:40:10 pm
Ok i will shamelessly start the 1st rumor. . . Princess Laya is NOT riding. . .  :patch:
Cannot find her on the current competitors list on Dakar.com. . .  !!! ??? :eek7:

I see her name next to nr 14, however with no bio.

She's riding a GasGas this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 03, 2019, 06:18:50 am
Ok i will shamelessly start the 1st rumor. . . Princess Laya is NOT riding. . .  :patch:
Cannot find her on the current competitors list on Dakar.com. . .  !!! ??? :eek7:

I see her name next to nr 14, however with no bio.

She's riding a GasGas this year.

Is it not a KTM in Gas Gas clothing - wolverine dressed up a lamb?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on December 03, 2019, 10:43:18 am
Ok i will shamelessly start the 1st rumor. . . Princess Laya is NOT riding. . .  :patch:
Cannot find her on the current competitors list on Dakar.com. . .  !!! ??? :eek7:

I see her name next to nr 14, however with no bio.

She's riding a GasGas this year.

Is it not a KTM in Gas Gas clothing - wolverine dressed up a lamb?
Honda - KTM - Gas Gas ... let's hope 2021 she won't be on a Hero  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on December 03, 2019, 10:46:41 am
Nice to see the old regulars back here again so early. :thumleft:

I agree Saudi is going to be interesting from a landscape POV, and hopefully the navigation will be more complicated.

The negatives are that it doesn't feel right that there wont be any long liaisons or border crossings.
I think it will be more like a longer Morocco rally.

I wonder if there will be any Israeli entrants....  :-\

Will women have to wear dookies?

So much of this does not feel right...
The world has become a small place even for the Dakar Rally
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 03, 2019, 10:47:12 am
Kan nie wag om die nuwe omgewing Dakar te sien. Suid Amerika was cool, maar die Dakar hoort in Afrika. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 03, 2019, 01:12:07 pm
Today's lunchtime entertainment

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2019, 05:46:05 pm
Today's lunchtime entertainment
Dis vir my soos 'n kampfuur, ek kan heel dag sit en staar hiernaa.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2019, 08:54:19 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 04, 2019, 12:24:49 pm
And the timezone difference is only 1 hour. They being 1 hour ahead  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on December 04, 2019, 12:42:00 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 04, 2019, 10:20:45 pm
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Post by: Dutchie on December 04, 2019, 10:25:20 pm
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Post by: Sardine on December 05, 2019, 05:37:36 am

Awesome!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 05, 2019, 05:52:07 am
And she is starting the 2019 Roof today as well !!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on December 05, 2019, 12:19:14 pm
And she is starting the 2019 Roof today as well !!

Ja must admit I was a little surprised to see that. I'd think the odds of getting hurt at something like the Roof is high enough that you wouldn't risk it so close to Dakar?

Something I'm super keen to see how it plays out is Kirsten vs Taye. From what I can gather on social media Kirsten has been more enduro focused and Taye a bit more cross country?...or do I have that one wrong?
Going to be super interesting and I get the impression there is some good competitive'ness there  :deal:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bullit on December 06, 2019, 04:44:28 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 07, 2019, 06:16:30 pm
Dont know what is the story with Yamaha but again it is a moerse gesukkel to get any news and peechers of their team etc for 2020.
Here is some peechers of Rodney Fagotter that will be running as a privateer in 2020
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 07, 2019, 06:19:08 pm
Some more peechers of his "10 Year old" bike  :patch: ;)
Not sure how close this will be to the Official . . .well sort of official French/Yamaha team  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on December 07, 2019, 08:31:55 pm
Here’s a pic of Soultrains bike - what a beaut

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 08, 2019, 10:36:20 am
Both looks around 10year old to me . . . :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 08, 2019, 03:08:08 pm
I'm very concerned about De Soultrait's chances if he feels the need to use training wheels this year.

@JK can you tell clueless people like me what's going on with that welded in red cap in kiekie#3?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on December 08, 2019, 03:17:57 pm
I'm very concerned about De Soultrait's chances if he feels the need to use training wheels this year.

@JK can you tell clueless people like me what's going on with that welded in red cap in kiekie#3?
And that is a big weld!! Much thicker and wider than one would expect around a little cap like that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 08, 2019, 04:31:46 pm
I'm very concerned about De Soultrait's chances if he feels the need to use training wheels this year.

@JK can you tell clueless people like me what's going on with that welded in red cap in kiekie#3?

A few years back I think Honda did this for the compulsory water storage (built it into the upper swingarrm rather than the bashplate like many others) - or was it Yamaha or have they just copied?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 09, 2019, 11:29:11 am
I'm very concerned about De Soultrait's chances if he feels the need to use training wheels this year.

@JK can you tell clueless people like me what's going on with that welded in red cap in kiekie#3?

A few years back I think Honda did this for the compulsory water storage (built it into the upper swingarrm rather than the bashplate like many others) - or was it Yamaha or have they just copied?

Yeah i also have it like that. It is for water. But must say i wold not want to be the one that has to drink the water out of that swing-arm  :P
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 09, 2019, 12:03:12 pm
Must say that i am extremely excited to see what the Kalahari Ferrari is gonna do this time. His 2nd place at the Merzouga rally this year surely must have caused some serious noise in the community  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: RobC on December 09, 2019, 12:08:04 pm
Been a huge fan of Ross ever since I met him, such a humble gentleman, always has time for the younger riders with regard to advice etc. damn good on a MX track as well. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 11, 2019, 09:09:17 pm
How awesome is this  8) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on December 12, 2019, 08:35:42 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 22, 2019, 07:46:04 pm
Tick-Tock  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 25, 2019, 07:56:05 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 26, 2019, 07:02:24 am
Here is a nice rally light setup. Should be good watching this privateer.



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on December 26, 2019, 07:47:16 am
Looks familiar that area.  :sip:

Just searched it, yes my old stomping ground in the 1970's got stuck up there in the snow once, luckily we backtracked left one bike behind and went back for it a week later, found it untouched.  ::) had we pushed forwards it could have been messy, deep drifts, we might have left all bikes there and conditions were pretty bleak. As it was we did double the mileage to backtrack in the dark with very questionable lights.  :sip:   
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 26, 2019, 02:32:09 pm
Merry merry all you sexy bastards!

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 26, 2019, 10:20:40 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on December 27, 2019, 06:55:05 am
So no Taye Perry?  ???
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 27, 2019, 07:01:06 am
So no Taye Perry?  ???

Calheine Perry #120
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 27, 2019, 07:13:12 pm
Thanks for the clarification BD, I did not know that.  :thumleft:

Interesting name. No wonder she just says Taye ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: mox on December 27, 2019, 08:29:01 pm
Local broadcasts? If I have a TV box what platform and how do I get it to work?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sheepman on December 27, 2019, 08:45:45 pm
Cannot wait for the show to start 😁
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 28, 2019, 05:20:54 pm
Thread has now been cleaned up. We will keep it pure. :thumleft:

Handbags have been moved to Jou Ma.:deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 28, 2019, 05:41:16 pm
Thanks BB - agree lets keep it real  :thumleft:


https://www.redbull.com/za-en/dakar-2020-course-overview
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Buff on December 28, 2019, 05:44:13 pm
I'm a huge Ross Branch fan but he's going to have his work cut out against a fit Toby Price and Sam Sunderland. I've been following their build up on Instagram and the guys are well prepped and super fit, especially Sam.
Roll on Dakar, I can't wait  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on December 28, 2019, 06:00:12 pm
I don’t want to get too invested with one rider, but Toby is my absolute favorite. Hope he takes it again.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 28, 2019, 06:10:16 pm
I don’t want to get too invested with one rider, but Toby is my absolute favorite. Hope he takes it again.


You and me both, boet. He is such and inspiration and I think we can agree he is an alien after last years performance.

Awesome to still see your pic of Coma on the Dos Sertoes from 2010. :thumright: Another of my fav riders.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on December 28, 2019, 06:18:04 pm
I'm a huge Ross Branch fan but he's going to have his work cut out against a fit Toby Price and Sam Sunderland. I've been following their build up on Instagram and the guys are well prepped and super fit, especially Sam.
Roll on Dakar, I can't wait  :thumleft:

Me too.  :3some: I think Ross has a really good chance of doing well.
He must be Southern Africa's best hope so far.

I am also not so invested in just one rider this year ( like Boland says )  as there is a nice strong field of riders near the top , will make for exhilarating watching . :ricky: :ricky:

So yes I am not necessarily just shouting for Ross and Barreda, but just going to enjoy it.
Will really enjoy watching more of Laia and also Taye and Kirsten as well as the other SA riders.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on December 28, 2019, 06:34:52 pm
Toby's performance was nuts last year. This is perhaps a way too big of a statement and perhaps even ignorant but: no disrespect all of the other hugely skilled and talented riders, but I just don't see Price not winning without something going drastically wrong for him. Unless Barreda can get his shit together, which just isn't ever going to happen.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on December 28, 2019, 06:44:48 pm
Well some of the new rules re: the road book will make a difference


https://www.monsterenergy.com/pl/en/news/back-to-the-roots-how-the-dakar-rally-navigation-will-change-for-2020?fbclid=IwAR2IXPZJafNMjSAaPBKSjqgH8XX_R2S02AZS4PP9pK9bqCBXnltxzQmHjdw


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 28, 2019, 06:55:31 pm
Well some of the new rules re: the road book will make a difference


https://www.monsterenergy.com/pl/en/news/back-to-the-roots-how-the-dakar-rally-navigation-will-change-for-2020?fbclid=IwAR2IXPZJafNMjSAaPBKSjqgH8XX_R2S02AZS4PP9pK9bqCBXnltxzQmHjdw


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And road book was not BangBangs best subject at rally school ... so unless he has had extra lessons from Rynet over the festive season  :lol8: he is looking for places to stash crib notes  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on December 28, 2019, 07:04:00 pm
Well some of the new rules re: the road book will make a difference


https://www.monsterenergy.com/pl/en/news/back-to-the-roots-how-the-dakar-rally-navigation-will-change-for-2020?fbclid=IwAR2IXPZJafNMjSAaPBKSjqgH8XX_R2S02AZS4PP9pK9bqCBXnltxzQmHjdw


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And road book was not BangBangs best subject at rally school ... so unless he has had extra lessons from Rynet over the festive season  :lol8: he is looking for places to stash crib notes  :imaposer:

:laughing4: :laughing4:

You make me laugh Big D.   :imaposer:

I think Barreda had a long spate of bad luck and who know, this might be his year.   :ricky: But he has to watch for Toby.

But Toby has never been tested riding with both hands and nothing else broken, not sure he can ride without pain  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on December 28, 2019, 08:51:20 pm
There are so may awesome and likable riders in Top 20, unlike a few years ago.  I think a guy like Sam Sunderland stands a good chance as he's quite a dune specialist, but so are the two frogs in the official Yamaha team (both regarded as sand riding specialists). Oh well, Rossi is also a sand riding specialist.... ;)

I still rate Barreda as a rider and navigator but he tends to be his own biggest enemy when things don't go his way.  Maybe it's just my perception of him.  Brabec also shows great ability as a rally rider and really improving every Dakar.  You also have the Benavides brother who are super talented and fast.  Let me not forget Pablo (Minxy's favourite) - the poor guy trains his brains out and deserves a win  :lol8:

But then there's Mr Toby Pies - man this guy is something else.  The talent of this original "fat kid" is so next level that it places him, at least for me, in quite a different league from the rest.  I guess the wrist injury kept him out of biking for most part of the year, hence the reason he spent so much time with the truck racing.  I somehow get the feeling he'll be joining the 4 wheel guys sooner than later.   

Whichever way it goes, I'll just enjoy following the race albeit in a terrible new time slot for me.  To all riders from our part of the world - all of the best, it's going to be interesting!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: RobC on December 28, 2019, 09:06:35 pm
I'm a huge Ross Branch fan but he's going to have his work cut out against a fit Toby Price and Sam Sunderland. I've been following their build up on Instagram and the guys are well prepped and super fit, especially Sam.
Roll on Dakar, I can't wait  :thumleft:
Like The Kalahari Ferrari is not fit? :biggrin:

It will be epic!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Buff on December 28, 2019, 09:27:34 pm
I'm a huge Ross Branch fan but he's going to have his work cut out against a fit Toby Price and Sam Sunderland. I've been following their build up on Instagram and the guys are well prepped and super fit, especially Sam.
Roll on Dakar, I can't wait  :thumleft:
Like The Kalahari Ferrari is not fit? :biggrin:

It will be epic!

He's fit and fast... and due to his pilot experience seems to be able to navigate like a homing pigeon. His only weakness is rally experience and although he's gaining it fast, he's still a few rallies behind the main guns. But he'll be up there for sure, giving them hell every day. I'm expecting one or two stage wins from him this year  :thumleft:

As for the ladies, expect Taye to turn a lot of heads, that kid has got what it takes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on December 28, 2019, 09:32:10 pm
Taye has the speed, Kirsten the vasbyt.
Going to be an epic battle within a battle.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Buff on December 28, 2019, 09:35:56 pm
Taye has the speed, Kirsten the vasbyt.
Going to be an epic battle within a battle.

Taye has speed and vasbyt, it won't be a contest at all  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 28, 2019, 11:30:02 pm
Well I'm predicting that this year will be an upset with at least one and probably a group of front runners getting completely lost.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 29, 2019, 06:29:34 am
Well I'm predicting that this year will be an upset with at least one and probably a group of front runners getting completely lost.

Maybe even an upset Orange?  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 29, 2019, 06:42:07 am
Could be BD Navigation in a featureless desert is pretty hard. In South America there are generally landmarks of sorts that help keep the orientation, and even then we have seen whole packs end up in canyons or floundering around in the dunes. Looking at the course there are a few places where one wrong turn wont be noticed until perhaps many km later.


Anyway, while we wait scrutineering in France a little different this year, with the bikes & equipment being loaded onto trucks.
Here we join a malle moto competitor (good French practice ahead of Fr2 broadcasts ;D )
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Highsider on December 29, 2019, 10:56:10 am
I see Laia Sanz has “moved” from KTM to Gas Gas for the Dakar 2020, citing that being from Spain, she is keen to ride a Spanish bike.  Seeing as KTM own (I believe) 60% of Gas Gas, is this a clever marketing move from KTM?  Others on the forum speculate the GasGas will be a KTM 450 dressed as a GasGas. 
Either way I’m pretty sure she will not be getting the same level of experience and support that she would have enjoyed from the KTM camp.
Hopefully KTM will be looking for a new lady to fill her shoes.


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 29, 2019, 11:38:17 am
I see Laia Sanz has “moved” from KTM to Gas Gas for the Dakar 2020, citing that being from Spain, she is keen to ride a Spanish bike.  Seeing as KTM own (I believe) 60% of Gas Gas, is this a clever marketing move from KTM?  Others on the forum speculate the GasGas will be a KTM 450 dressed as a GasGas. 
Either way I’m pretty sure she will not be getting the same level of experience and support that she would have enjoyed from the KTM camp.
Hopefully KTM will be looking for a new lady to fill her shoes.


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Her bike details:

GAS GAS FACTORY TEAM

Mark : KTM
Model : 450
Performance tuner : GasGas
Assistance : GasGas
Class : G1.1 A.S.O. Elites

The level of support and expertise will be KTM factory - Techies will just wear Gas Gas livery.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on December 29, 2019, 12:22:41 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BB King on December 29, 2019, 02:25:29 pm
There are so may awesome and likable riders in Top 20, unlike a few years ago.  I think a guy like Sam Sunderland stands a good chance as he's quite a dune specialist, but so are the two frogs in the official Yamaha team (both regarded as sand riding specialists). Oh well, Rossi is also a sand riding specialist.... ;)

I still rate Barreda as a rider and navigator but he tends to be his own biggest enemy when things don't go his way.  Maybe it's just my perception of him.  Brabec also shows great ability as a rally rider and really improving every Dakar.  You also have the Benavides brother who are super talented and fast.


Agreed, Barreda must learn WHEN to go as fast as he does, instead of all the time?
Sunderland & Van Beveran are mates, train together and both stay in Dubai, so that also something to look out for.

Toby Price is a miracle man though but I'll put some cash down on Van Beveran!!

On a different note - Every single dude in Malle Moto is a winner in my book!
Riding is their heroin and their grit is awe inspiring!

Just a fan's 2 cents.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BB King on December 29, 2019, 02:29:00 pm
If repeated or not suited, please remove.

Every fan should watch this...

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: windswept on December 29, 2019, 10:00:19 pm
Lyndon, prepping his bike. It is absolutely insane the level of detail he goes to. A real perfectionist. Amazing.
 :drif:

vid removed on request. - BB
To be fair this has nothing to do with Dakar 202 and can be seen as trolling.

2020. I will be following Dakar here and on advrider and if someone starts a fred on the Eco race that would be appreciated. :thumleft:.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on December 30, 2019, 09:19:35 am
Lyndon, prepping his bike. It is absolutely insane the level of detail he goes to. A real perfectionist. Amazing.
 :drif:

vid removed on request - BB
To be fair this has nothing to do with Dakar 202 and can be seen as trolling.

Will Lyndon not be doing the Dakar in 2020?

That's a shame.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on December 30, 2019, 11:53:55 am
some facebook copy paste updates from the SADG group
Kirsten Landman
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1059427597745247&id=379235369097810
Stuart Gregory
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156388431110683&id=608665682&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=1hTZs06IezuHL0nb
Graeme Sharp
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1052714901754927&id=655872664772488&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=Bu7bdEMVZjhLakpe
Taye Perry
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=3890079927684363&substory_index=0&id=954651851227200&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=bxD7BAsKLHL5hRQa
Ross Branch
https://www.facebook.com/639925622/posts/10162703785805623/?substory_index=0
Aaron Maree
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1065154093839264&id=379235369097810


Some homage to the man himself
THE DAKAR MANIFEST:
For all those who grab life with both hands.
Looking a real challenge, for sensations that are both powerful and extreme.
For all those that are determined, passionate, who love the great outdoors… those driven by a desire to feel alive like never before, those who want to be the heroes of their own story.
For the brave, who know they are taking part in the greatest rally-raid in the world, who know that only a few cross its finish line, but who also know that taking part in the Dakar is so much more than that…
For those ready to push their bodies to the limit, to use the last drop of their mental strength.
For those ready to take on the challenge of the wildness and the forces of nature.
To all those wanting to be bought alive by an incomparable human adventure, in front of passionate fans, proud to share the beauty of their universe as the world looks on.
For you, adventurers in the extreme, ready to realise your wildest dreams.
You have the Dakar spirit, get ready to enter the legend.
Dakar
Dream. Dare. Live it
© ASO
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on December 30, 2019, 12:02:44 pm
The SADG group also made up these stickers, Im getting some shipped down to CT if anyone wants. Second attachment is the bigger sticker on a top box, pm me
.
80x90mm white, and 80x90mm black.
And only 8x200mm white.
R20 for the 90mm
R100 for the 200mm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on December 30, 2019, 12:50:35 pm
The SADG group also made up these stickers, Im getting some shipped down to CT if anyone wants. Second attachment is the bigger sticker on a top box, pm me
.
80x90mm white, and 80x90mm black.
And only 8x200mm white.
R20 for the 90mm
R100 for the 200mm

PM sent
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Exploratio on December 30, 2019, 12:54:51 pm
Lyndon, prepping his bike. It is absolutely insane the level of detail he goes to. A real perfectionist. Amazing.
 :drif:

vid removed on request -  See it in the Africa Eco Race thread in the Racing section. - BB
To be fair this has nothing to do with Dakar 202 and can be seen as trolling.

Will Lyndon not be doing the Dakar in 2020?

That's a shame.
No, he will not.
He is taking a team of five riders to the Eco race. One member is our own Joey Evans.
Funny that the dates of these two races are the same.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on December 30, 2019, 12:57:02 pm
Lyndon, prepping his bike. It is absolutely insane the level of detail he goes to. A real perfectionist. Amazing.
 :drif:

To be fair this has nothing to do with Dakar 202 and can be seen as trolling.

Will Lyndon not be doing the Dakar in 2020?

That's a shame.
No, he will not.
He is taking a team of five riders to the Eco race. One member is our own Joey Evans.
Funny that the dates of these two races are the same.

That sucks
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Exploratio on December 30, 2019, 01:05:46 pm
Without hijacking the thread, there are actually two Saffers going with Poskitt to the Africa Eco Race.
Greg Raaff is also going with.

Now our attention is really divided
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on December 30, 2019, 01:07:53 pm
Without hijacking the thread, there are actually two Saffers going with Poskitt to the Africa Eco Race.
Greg Raaff is also going with.

Now our attention is really divided

Well, from where I am sitting I can only watch 20min replays from Redbull tv.

So I will be able to juggle both
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 30, 2019, 03:53:23 pm
Many say the Eco race is more like the original PD in spirit and org ... just saying.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Exploratio on December 30, 2019, 04:15:37 pm
Many say the Eco race is more like the original PD in spirit and org ... just saying.
True. Will see and reserve comment till after the event.
Pity the ASO owns the final destination's name



deo, patriae, amicus

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 30, 2019, 05:13:50 pm
Many say the Eco race is more like the original PD in spirit and org ... just saying.

Why is it called the "Eco" race?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on December 30, 2019, 05:34:01 pm
Many say the Eco race is more like the original PD in spirit and org ... just saying.

Why is it called the "Eco" race?

More economical than Dakar  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: jossvw on December 30, 2019, 09:01:19 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on December 31, 2019, 07:50:16 am
Lyndon, prepping his bike. It is absolutely insane the level of detail he goes to. A real perfectionist. Amazing.
 :drif:
**clipped video**
To be fair this has nothing to do with Dakar 202 and can be seen as trolling.

2020. I will be following Dakar here and on advrider and if someone starts a fred on the Eco race that would be appreciated. :thumleft:.
Actually we do have an Africa Eco thread here in the racing section. :deal:

He is quite right though - I posted to the wrong thread in error, sincere apologies! 

Dakar is no longer the Dakar...Anyhoo I moved it now and removed all reference to it in this very pure thread.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XTZFegen on January 01, 2020, 06:56:04 pm
Whats the terrain like? Sand sand and more sand? I really enjoyed the last few years in South America - real pity its moved.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 01, 2020, 07:52:26 pm
Whats the terrain like? Sand sand and more sand? I really enjoyed the last few years in South America - real pity its moved.

Agree but more like the original as well- personally South America is the best covering all extremities
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 01, 2020, 08:04:46 pm
Old eye candy-


face book updates on Ross
https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1071164693238204/
Kirsten Landman
https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1071164693238204/
Taye Perrys Nomad team
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2020, 08:14:41 pm
Thanks XT Joe :thumleft: I embedded that vid for you.  Don't have other characters immediately on either side of your youtube links for it to embed. :deal:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 01, 2020, 08:18:53 pm
Taye has some pretty kick-ass riders on her team.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 01, 2020, 09:27:49 pm
Taye has some pretty kick-ass riders on her team.

Yip.  I think Olivier Pain will finish very well since he's back in a team.  The factory rider pulled in by Motul to make sure Motorex (Lyndon) doesn't win the 40th edition MalleMoto (Originals)  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: RobC on January 01, 2020, 09:38:46 pm
Taye has some pretty kick-ass riders on her team.

Yip.  I think Olivier Pain will finish very well since he's back in a team.  The factory rider pulled in by Motul to make sure Motorex (Lyndon) doesn't win the 30th edition MalleMoto (Originals)  ;)
AFAIK Lyndon is not doing Dakar but the Africa ECO rally?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 01, 2020, 10:18:01 pm
Taye has some pretty kick-ass riders on her team.

Yip.  I think Olivier Pain will finish very well since he's back in a team.  The factory rider pulled in by Motul to make sure Motorex (Lyndon) doesn't win the 30th edition MalleMoto (Originals)  ;)
AFAIK Lyndon is not doing Dakar but the Africa ECO rally?

Referring to the 2018 race where Lyndon came 2nd :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Highsider on January 02, 2020, 05:59:39 am
Just watched a brilliant video on you tube called “The Dakar for Newbies”.  Comprehensively covers every aspect of the race in a brief entertaining way, perfect for kids and wives to watch and hopefully get “fished in”.


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Highsider on January 02, 2020, 06:00:10 am
https://youtu.be/0FqadeWIuAA


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2020, 06:31:54 am
Just watched a brilliant video on you tube called “The Dakar for Newbies”.  Comprehensively covers every aspect of the race in a brief entertaining way, perfect for kids and wives to watch and hopefully get “fished in”.


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Post #197  - a page back . Most guys here here are obviously Dakar Ballies and even a Dakar Tannie of twee Ry hier rond  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: The Badger on January 02, 2020, 08:51:19 am
Cheers for all the info everyone.

Cant wait for the start.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 02, 2020, 08:55:35 am
Thanks XT Joe :thumleft: I embedded that vid for you.  Don't have other characters immediately on either side of your youtube links for it to embed. :deal:



Thanks BB

Stuarts bike arrived-must have been stressful even for Mr Laid back himself
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 02, 2020, 09:27:02 am
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kreef on January 02, 2020, 12:20:53 pm
sub  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2020, 01:00:51 pm
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut

Fugly imho  ::)  Will cook in a black lid and monster energy stickers always add about 1hp drag  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 02, 2020, 01:20:18 pm
Looking forward to following this and the ECO both
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 02, 2020, 01:22:05 pm
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut

Fugly imho  ::)  Will cook in a black lid and monster energy stickers always add about 1hp drag  :lol8:

might be a tad hot- see temp this morning 8)- but i think it looks the bit- better pic with SA flag ontop
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 02, 2020, 01:26:31 pm
Miz Ryobi and Mizz Nomad and the boys from Bots and Zim
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2020, 02:44:46 pm
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut

Fugly imho  ::)  Will cook in a black lid and monster energy stickers always add about 1hp drag  :lol8:

might be a tad hot- see temp this morning 8)- but i think it looks the bit- better pic with SA flag ontop

Look at Lyndon Poskits helmets being used for the Africa Eco - now we talking  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 02, 2020, 02:48:05 pm
Seems like Miss Perry needs to walk in a set of new boots.

OR she is sporting some newly developed ATGATT.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 02, 2020, 03:24:48 pm
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut

Fugly imho  ::)  Will cook in a black lid and monster energy stickers always add about 1hp drag  :lol8:

might be a tad hot- see temp this morning 8)- but i think it looks the bit- better pic with SA flag ontop

Look at Lyndon Poskits helmets being used for the Africa Eco - now we talking  :3some:

Yes, it does not have that high-drag SA flag on top.......
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sheepman on January 02, 2020, 04:10:55 pm
Seems like Miss Perry needs to walk in a set of new boots.

OR she is sporting some newly developed ATGATT.

But......regardless of that, both are super fit, ready to race racers 👍 Good luck to both 😁
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 02, 2020, 04:31:06 pm
Aaron Mare's helmet-what a beaut

Fugly imho  ::)  Will cook in a black lid and monster energy stickers always add about 1hp drag  :lol8:

might be a tad hot- see temp this morning 8)- but i think it looks the bit- better pic with SA flag ontop

Look at Lyndon Poskits helmets being used for the Africa Eco - now we talking  :3some:

Yes, it does not have that high-drag SA flag on top.......

ok it does look good but yeah :sip:- drag factor and all. Like his Motorex colour scheme on the bikes
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 02, 2020, 06:18:58 pm
I just watched a video of some on board footage of Tate Perry at the desert race and.......sheesh! She’s not scared to hold it wide open in the fast stuff
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 02, 2020, 06:32:39 pm
Yeah, I just hope Taye does not pin it in the dunes.

It is sooooo easy to fly off the top of a dune and end you race right there. Dunes after 10h30 am and before 3h30 pm are super dangerous because you can't see the crests.

I'm worrying like a mother.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2020, 06:38:57 am
See in today's paper there is a south African riding with Ceril du P. Mark Horn I think.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 03, 2020, 07:39:00 am

https://www.facebook.com/taye.perry/videos/1265052273685267/
tried my best at embedding this- i even joined facebook ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on January 03, 2020, 08:29:29 am
Scrutineering in full swing.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Wolzak on January 03, 2020, 08:46:56 am
See in today's paper there is a south African riding with Ceril du P. Mark Horn I think.
Correct, the World Famous Explorer.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 03, 2020, 09:06:25 am
Stuart doing some final fitting
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2020, 09:47:03 am
Overseen by the quality controller  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 03, 2020, 10:02:51 am
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hando on January 03, 2020, 10:06:10 am
sub
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2020, 12:21:34 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....

Out looking for the unicorn  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 03, 2020, 12:56:05 pm
Kirsten Landman was picked as a Dakar Hero

Expect lots of footage and feedback from her!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 03, 2020, 01:03:22 pm
Wessel knows something...
Hows that blue beaut at the bottom
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 03, 2020, 01:09:17 pm
One thing is for sure.... We have the prettiest poppies in this race!!

Good luck to all you girls and guys!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 03, 2020, 01:29:25 pm
Team blue
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 03, 2020, 01:47:17 pm
just way to little happening at work today
Nice video of ktm's dakar bike

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 03, 2020, 02:03:24 pm
See in today's paper there is a south African riding with Ceril du P. Mark Horn I think.
Correct, the World Famous Explorer.
MIKE Horn.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Wolzak on January 03, 2020, 02:11:40 pm
https://twitter.com/i/status/1211137622162186240
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Striggs on January 03, 2020, 02:16:31 pm
What would be the benefit of running a Rekluse clutch over std type? 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2020, 02:29:23 pm
What would be the benefit of running a Rekluse clutch over std type?

Some guys just use the cover as you can run more oil and it also advertsies the product. Rekluse also make conventional race clutch options - the Torque Drive fitted to the Yammies is fully manual.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2020, 03:00:48 pm
Overseen by the quality controller  :lol8:
Behind every great man, is a woman rolling her eyes. 😎
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 03, 2020, 03:32:33 pm
Overseen by the quality controller  :lol8:
Behind every great man, is a woman rolling her eyes. 😎
Shes thinking how many alterations she could have done to the house with the money the Dakar is costing!!! ;)
Lyk hoeka of sy haar wange styf trek!! :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 03, 2020, 04:58:19 pm
Overseen by the quality controller  :lol8:
Behind every great man, is a woman rolling her eyes. 😎
Shes thinking how many alterations she could have done to the house with the money the Dakar is costing!!! ;)
Lyk hoeka of sy haar wange styf trek!! :o
:spitcoffee:
net so
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 03, 2020, 05:32:37 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 03, 2020, 06:03:23 pm
Laia’s gas gas is a beaut - it’s on the KTM video on Red Bull tv

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2020, 08:15:50 pm
:drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: RobC on January 03, 2020, 09:10:51 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2020, 09:35:17 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.

Some nice pics back a page. :thumleft: I wish they had proper factory support as they can contend.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2020, 09:39:12 pm
Laia’s gas gas is a beaut - it’s on the KTM video on Red Bull tv

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I am sure she will gas gas that KTM.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 03, 2020, 10:26:43 pm
For real! lol


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Wooly Bugger on January 04, 2020, 08:48:32 am
 :drif:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 04, 2020, 11:11:56 am
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2020, 12:11:20 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.

Some nice pics back a page. :thumleft: I wish they had proper factory support as they can contend.

They certainly can, and this is where KTM is clever, offering the works RR's to riders.  I have heard that the 450 RR shares the crankshaft with the old 690RR's, so already a huge benefit over

other brands that have to basically compete on showroom models, altered for the rally.

This is the reason why Yamaha and Honda is not interested in direct factory support, too expensive.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2020, 12:27:48 pm
I think Honda throws lots of factory money at Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2020, 12:36:02 pm
I think Honda throws lots of factory money at Dakar.

It would be interesting to strip the "factory" Dakar Honda engine alongside the standard CRF450R, to see if the specs differ.

On the KTM 450RR's, apparently few parts interchangeable onto the showroom 450's.

If anything, just a heads-up to KTM's commitment to this race.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2020, 12:58:25 pm
Bit of Googling showed up this; Honda 450 Rally  borex stroke;97x60.1mm,  449.4cc and "over" 45KW.

Stock CRF450R ;  96x62.1 mm,  449.7cc and claimed 44KW.

All I could find on the KTM450RR is this; 449.3cc and bore and stroke of 95x 63.4 mm, and a price tag approaching R500 000.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2020, 02:03:49 pm


Wessel being the champ- were here for holiday :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2020, 02:43:49 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2020, 02:55:36 pm
Does not seem nearly as exciting....

Also this from the rules:

Dakar Experience” ranking
In order to allow the less experienced riders to continue their learning process if anyone is forced to retire, except for medical reasons, they will be allowed to resume the race by joining the “Dakar Experience” ranking, awarding the unlucky amateurs to keep learning and gaining further experience to complete the rally in the future.

This second chance will be awarded to every competitor in every class except for the ones included on the Elite List.

Wait, what? No more exclusion? Dakar is getting softer.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 04, 2020, 03:03:14 pm
Wessel being the champ- were here for holiday :)

Wessel looks a bit nervous.

Taye looks very confident, so does Kirsten.

Rooting for them all
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 04, 2020, 03:05:51 pm
The 2020 Dakar Rally has already claimed its first victim before even the administrative and technical checks have been completed, as Martin Kolomy somersaulted his Ford Raptor 4x4 during shakedown and was hospitalised with injured vertebrae.

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/kolomy-crash-shakedown-prokop-ford/4619203/?nrt=42

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That has got to really suck, :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2020, 03:20:01 pm
Sit en kyk nou die start podium.....
Daar is nie baie supporters nie.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on January 04, 2020, 05:21:08 pm
Hi is there some live streaning sites that is up and running?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Battlestar on January 04, 2020, 05:48:14 pm
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 04, 2020, 05:48:25 pm
Hi is there some live streaning sites that is up and running?
I saw today the Dakar YouTube channel was running a live feed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2020, 06:43:28 pm
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.

But the Dakar makes more money, enabling it to continue I guess.  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 04, 2020, 06:47:34 pm
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.
Hulle is seker vies oor die dames sonder kopdoeke ry en broeke dra!! :deal: ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2020, 07:18:34 pm
Just another money making show by the Frogs.  :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 04, 2020, 07:26:01 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.

Some nice pics back a page. :thumleft: I wish they had proper factory support as they can contend.

They certainly can, and this is where KTM is clever, offering the works RR's to riders.  I have heard that the 450 RR shares the crankshaft with the old 690RR's, so already a huge benefit over

other brands that have to basically compete on showroom models, altered for the rally.

This is the reason why Yamaha and Honda is not interested in direct factory support, too expensive.

a Real shame - it is then all a KTM show in the bike category...  :(
Will just come back afterwords to see which KTM riders were lucky...  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 04, 2020, 07:28:50 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.

Some nice pics back a page. :thumleft: I wish they had proper factory support as they can contend.

They certainly can, and this is where KTM is clever, offering the works RR's to riders.  I have heard that the 450 RR shares the crankshaft with the old 690RR's, so already a huge benefit over

other brands that have to basically compete on showroom models, altered for the rally.

This is the reason why Yamaha and Honda is not interested in direct factory support, too expensive.

a Real shame - it is then all a KTM show in the bike category...  :(
Will just come back afterwords to see which KTM riders were lucky...  :-\

Not at all.  I think any of the Honda's, Husky's or Yamaha's can take it.  Follow the Dakar and check how close they finish ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 04, 2020, 07:29:05 pm
I watched a whole pile of the super boring live stream of the podium only to get to bike 28 when all the people we actually want to see start coming and they stopped for prayers then went on to cars - aaaaggghhhh!!!


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 04, 2020, 08:33:07 pm
I really hope to see a Honda rider on the podium this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 04, 2020, 09:01:10 pm
Really want Brabec, AvB or quintanilla to do something


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2020, 10:01:24 pm
I really hope to see a Honda rider on the podium this year.

Hmmm...  been a while

 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2020, 11:56:05 pm
Waar is die Yammie span?
Sukkel om enige posts te kry.....
I dont think there are any other bikes besides KTM’s or re branded KTM’s riding Dakar anymore ....
I saw some stuff on the Yamaha FB page.

Some nice pics back a page. :thumleft: I wish they had proper factory support as they can contend.

They certainly can, and this is where KTM is clever, offering the works RR's to riders.  I have heard that the 450 RR shares the crankshaft with the old 690RR's, so already a huge benefit over

other brands that have to basically compete on showroom models, altered for the rally.

This is the reason why Yamaha and Honda is not interested in direct factory support, too expensive.

a Real shame - it is then all a KTM show in the bike category...  :(
Will just come back afterwords to see which KTM riders were lucky...  :-\

Not at all.  I think any of the Honda's, Husky's or Yamaha's can take it.  Follow the Dakar and check how close they finish ;)

This is true, often a question of rider more than machine.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 07:10:57 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 05, 2020, 07:15:50 am
Thanks Johan, that site offers a VERY clear outlay of positions.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 05, 2020, 07:26:57 am
So the first bikes are past way point 1. Seems the action has started
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 05, 2020, 07:27:49 am
https://gaps.dakar.com/2020/dakar/aso/ukie
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2020, 07:42:35 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Never used the famous (ADV Rider) Mischa tracker before, I didn't realise the surname was Visser,  :peepwall: cheers HSK.  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 07:45:22 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Never used the famous (ADV Rider) Mischa tracker before, I didn't realise the surname was Visser,  :peepwall: cheers HSK.  8)

Haha, so you learn heh :lol8:

For some reason that tracker doesn't pick up Ricky Brabec whose leading through the first 2 x waypoints...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SvR on January 05, 2020, 07:56:22 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Never used the famous (ADV Rider) Mischa tracker before, I didn't realise the surname was Visser,  :peepwall: cheers HSK.  8)

Haha, so you learn heh :lol8:

For some reason that tracker doesn't pick up Ricky Brabec whose leading through the first 2 x waypoints...
And Laia on a Honda?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2020, 08:00:33 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Never used the famous (ADV Rider) Mischa tracker before, I didn't realise the surname was Visser,  :peepwall: cheers HSK.  8)

Haha, so you learn heh :lol8:

For some reason that tracker doesn't pick up Ricky Brabec whose leading through the first 2 x waypoints...

Mathias Walkner had a disasterous first 47km stage by the look of it, lost over half an hour?  :peepwall: or am I reading it wrong? Got it, it was the way my filters were set.  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 08:32:44 am
For the guys that don't know, here's a site with excellent filters that makes tracking the riders a bit more understandable

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/

Never used the famous (ADV Rider) Mischa tracker before, I didn't realise the surname was Visser,  :peepwall: cheers HSK.  8)

Haha, so you learn heh :lol8:

For some reason that tracker doesn't pick up Ricky Brabec whose leading through the first 2 x waypoints...

Mathias Walkner had a disasterous first 47km stage by the look of it, lost over half an hour?  :peepwall: or am I reading it wrong? Got it, it was the way my filters were set.  ::)

Glad you recovered from that one by yourself  :lol8:

The NL site should sort the small niggles out soon - then it's easy and happy days following it.  Not that I mind the Dakar tracking site, just not as easy to filter.

I see Price is now officially fastest through  'KM105' with Brabec going from 1st to 7th position.  Ross Branch steadily in 11th which I believe is a good indication of his actual rating.  If he sticks it out till the end he could finish in the Top 5.  Let's hold thumbs :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 05, 2020, 09:56:37 am
Now with improved filtering :P

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/?country=ZAF
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 05, 2020, 10:00:46 am
Jirre kerels, wat gaan hier aan!  :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 10:27:49 am
Braapbek is siriaasly quick on the Honda, taken that he's actually out in front leading the race. 

Hy moet net nie die Honda nou al stukkend ry nie dan gaan die conspiracy manne n ball he ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2020, 10:31:13 am
BraapBek  :imaposer: brilliant
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 05, 2020, 11:01:48 am
Price has been leading since WP4 though...

Correction: since WP3.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 11:10:12 am
Don't you guys think they should pick random starting times for the Top 20 (as they are basically the real competitors for positions) so that stage winners don't get penalized they way they do at the moment.  Take for instance you came in 6th position today, 5 min behind the winner of today's stage.  Tomorrow you start almost 18 min (presumed 3 min gaps at departure) behind the leader - the nett result is that the leader will in all probability lose major time and basically get penalized for winning the previous stage with the guy starting in 6th most likely gaining and passing the leader position wise.

I know it's been implemented that way, most likely, from the start and the idea is that all get penalized the same.  I just think it's quite stupid and the main reason why many times the race becomes a procession during the last week, the guys just doing time management and hoping they don't get breakdowns.  If you make it random start times, the dice is gonna get much more real. 

(I remember how the bliksem in Depres got when the pack just tagged onto him, calling them "vultures" :imaposer:)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 05, 2020, 11:55:12 am
Wow, Taye Perry is flying! Started pos 107, now with two wpts left, she's pos 71.  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 05, 2020, 12:02:06 pm
She is so small and light the bike hardly notices her on its back and only touches ground in between flights  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2020, 12:05:21 pm
And she seems to be showing Kirsten the way  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2020, 12:06:13 pm
Ross in the Ass at #14
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 12:17:42 pm
Ross in the Ass at #14

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Sounds so wrong
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2020, 12:22:34 pm
Ross in the Ass at #14

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Sounds so wrong

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 05, 2020, 12:22:42 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: AdventureBoy on January 05, 2020, 01:06:15 pm
What does DSS stand for on the official tracking page. It is the first column?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2020, 01:07:28 pm
Ross #14, Maree #35, Tye #73, Stuart #86, Graeme #93, Kirsten #96

Early Days.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 05, 2020, 01:07:58 pm
What does DSS stand for on the official tracking page. It is the first column?

DSS - Starting point of the timed stage (French abbreviation of Departe Special Stage)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 05, 2020, 02:56:08 pm
Wessel is in ASS  :hello2: :headbang:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 05, 2020, 03:02:36 pm
Ross saying that him and Luciano Benavides were at the front early on opening up the stage

Looking at the timing it seems he actually navigated pretty well


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Karoo Rider on January 05, 2020, 04:03:26 pm
Maybe it has been discussed before but wouldn't it be something to make up a group of Wilddogs and fly over as spectators one day? You take a camping chair and refreshments and a 4x4 skoolbus drives you around to the hot spots every day. Evenings we camp and braai in the dunes (and talk about how we would've done it.) :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 04:06:56 pm
Well, the Kalahari Ferrari did great - Finding his feet and finishing 14th just 10:38 behind the leader and also just behind the Soltrait & The Gonk. My guess he was taking things easy or had a snafu after WP4 which is where he dropped some time. Maybe he followed the Gonk and they got lost:  https://twitter.com/hero_motosports/status/1213788516628348929

Aaron Mare came in 35th

#107 Taye Perry jumped 34 places already coming 73; she looks to have had a very steady and fast pace.

Stuart Gregory also did well finishing 14 places up in 86th
Graeme Sharp from Zimbabwe did well in 93rd position,
two places behind him came Kirsten Landman in 95. GOOO Kirsten!  :ricky: :hello2::hello2::hello2:

Wessel Bosman is also in 136th position already taking up his usual position in the tail end of the field. Hang in there, tiger! :thumleft:

Here is a nice video of Quintanilla https://twitter.com/i/status/1213773679550746625

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 04:08:56 pm
Maybe it has been discussed before but wouldn't it be something to make up a group of Wilddogs and fly over as spectators one day? You take a camping chair and refreshments and a 4x4 skoolbus drives you around to the hot spots every day. Evenings we camp and braai in the dunes (and talk about how we would've done it.) :biggrin:

Yes it has been and some of us have done it. :thumleft:

Some of us also chased the Dakar (or part of it) on bikes, which was totally awesome.

A little harder to do this in Saudi I would imagine.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Wolzak on January 05, 2020, 04:26:56 pm
With sour Camel Milk around the Campfire. :'( Jokes aside, it would be great.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 04:34:15 pm
Don't you guys think they should pick random starting times for the Top 20 (as they are basically the real competitors for positions) so that stage winners don't get penalized they way they do at the moment.  Take for instance you came in 6th position today, 5 min behind the winner of today's stage.  Tomorrow you start almost 18 min (presumed 3 min gaps at departure) behind the leader - the nett result is that the leader will in all probability lose major time and basically get penalized for winning the previous stage with the guy starting in 6th most likely gaining and passing the leader position wise.

I know it's been implemented that way, most likely, from the start and the idea is that all get penalized the same.  I just think it's quite stupid and the main reason why many times the race becomes a procession during the last week, the guys just doing time management and hoping they don't get breakdowns.  If you make it random start times, the dice is gonna get much more real. 

(I remember how the bliksem in Depres got when the pack just tagged onto him, calling them "vultures" :imaposer:)

It does not matter that you start later than the leader; you are not penalized for starting 12 minutes later (2 mins between the top ten) as your time starts 12 after the leader as well.

Seeing the leader is opening the track with navigation and you can (mostly) see his tracks, he will always be at a disadvantage as you can take a chance and ride assuming his nav is correct. The problem is that tomorrow you might be in the same position, opening the track (if you won the stage) and he will be able to catch you. So if you are an alien like Coma or Despres (or Price!) and you have another alien you will each win every second day (barring an issue), each one catching the other the next day.

The thing that frustrates happens later in a Dakar when for example in 2010 (if I recall correctly) Coma and lost 30 minutes on Despres because of a time penalty. Under that situation Despres "let" Coma win every stage and even waited for him to pass on the ground a couple of times (pretending to be working on his bike) so that he could always reel him in if that time gap closed too much over successive stages.

The real master at this was Peterhansel when he was still on a bike. Once in Africa, Fretigne starting 2nd or 3rd rode really well and caught up to Peterhansel on the ground who had started earlier having won the previous days stage. Peterhansel then deliberately missed a turn in the roadbook, knowing full well that Fretigne was on focused on his heels and would not be focusing that hard on the navigation. A few minutes later he feigned a mechanical problem and stopped allowing Fretigne to take the lead, before turning around and then following the correct route and to get the best time of the day to boot!

So no the starting order on the 1st stage makes much of a difference. This effect only really becomes a problem for the guys fighting for the podium, and then only after a day or so of riding. If anything the only problem with starting in reverse order is all the dust and the risk of fast riders hitting someone slower in front.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 04:42:03 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/x1waVIx.gif)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 05:01:31 pm
Walkner:

https://www.facebook.com/MatthiasWalknerMX/posts/3021522031193606?__tn__=-R

Hello at home! The first stage would be done 😅
I was pretty nervous before the start today, everyone talked about an extremely difficult navigation in advance, then the new pre-marked roadbook and a completely new and unknown venue for us. 😬 I slept relatively little and even at breakfast I could hardly eat anything - very untypical of myself. The First 80 kilometers didn't feel really good, there were relatively fast sections and then again very slow passages with large stones, almost a bit like driving hard-Enduro. I didn't want to risk anything and thought Toby was going to catch me right away. After the neutralization at kilometers 80, I realized that I'm not that bad at all. Either the others had to fight with the same problems or they are already starting to clocate not to start in front tomorrow...

Little by little I got in better and felt more comfortable on the motorcycle. At kilometers 150 I made a small roadbook error - that took me some time. I didn't want Toby to catch me and I have to drive in his dust, so I started pushing a little more. Towards the end, the feeling got better and better. I'm satisfied with third place, but I also know that I have to focus even better for the next few days, especially in navigation. The Underground is brutally dry, there is an extremely shallow and bright light where you don't take the contrasts and therefore the big stones in part, so i have to get along as soon as possible. Tomorrow I start behind price and brabec as third. I think it's not a bad starting position. The Roadbook won't be spent in the morning. I'm curious and hope for a, from the organizer, flawless roadbook - otherwise tomorrow's day ends in chaos. Thank you and greetings from Saudi Arabia, hiasi
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 05:05:22 pm
Use this link for the tracking;  its the same one that the top guys use (I have added the Southern African riders so you can find them easily):

https://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/live/?country=ZAF,ZWE,BWA
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 05:48:04 pm


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 06:26:24 pm
Kevin Benavides giving it horns  :ricky:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENhsuXHWwAE5oJq?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 05, 2020, 06:30:18 pm
Do you know why Toby thinks he will get a penalty ?


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 06:33:04 pm
Do you know why Toby thinks he will get a penalty ?


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He tore his road book, so was following tracks instead and hit a speed control zone without knowing. He knew, because his ERTF would have warned him with an audible sound. I understand it was just a 2 min penalty in this case.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: zacapa on January 05, 2020, 06:55:02 pm
https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-1-dakar-rally-2020
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 05, 2020, 07:27:17 pm
Thank you for the updates @BlueBull2007  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 05, 2020, 08:01:12 pm
Np skydiver, I am not going to be able to do this everyday, so I hope some of you can step in :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XTZFegen on January 05, 2020, 08:23:12 pm
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.

Exactly why I loved the race been held in South America. The spectator's were just as special as the race itself. Not sure why they came back to Africa.   :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Serf on January 05, 2020, 08:25:54 pm
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.

Exactly why I loved the race been held in South America. The spectator's were just as special as the race itself. Not sure why they came back to Africa.   :eek7:

Is the Dakar back in Africa?  :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2020, 08:29:01 pm
Don't you guys think they should pick random starting times for the Top 20 (as they are basically the real competitors for positions) so that stage winners don't get penalized they way they do at the moment.  Take for instance you came in 6th position today, 5 min behind the winner of today's stage.  Tomorrow you start almost 18 min (presumed 3 min gaps at departure) behind the leader - the nett result is that the leader will in all probability lose major time and basically get penalized for winning the previous stage with the guy starting in 6th most likely gaining and passing the leader position wise.

I know it's been implemented that way, most likely, from the start and the idea is that all get penalized the same.  I just think it's quite stupid and the main reason why many times the race becomes a procession during the last week, the guys just doing time management and hoping they don't get breakdowns.  If you make it random start times, the dice is gonna get much more real. 

(I remember how the bliksem in Depres got when the pack just tagged onto him, calling them "vultures" :imaposer:)

It does not matter that you start later than the leader; you are not penalized for starting 12 minutes later (2 mins between the top ten) as your time starts 12 after the leader as well.

Seeing the leader is opening the track with navigation and you can (mostly) see his tracks, he will always be at a disadvantage as you can take a chance and ride assuming his nav is correct. The problem is that tomorrow you might be in the same position, opening the track (if you won the stage) and he will be able to catch you. So if you are an alien like Coma or Despres (or Price!) and you have another alien you will each win every second day (barring an issue), each one catching the other the next day.

The thing that frustrates happens later in a Dakar when for example in 2010 (if I recall correctly) Coma and lost 30 minutes on Despres because of a time penalty. Under that situation Despres "let" Coma win every stage and even waited for him to pass on the ground a couple of times (pretending to be working on his bike) so that he could always reel him in if that time gap closed too much over successive stages.

The real master at this was Peterhansel when he was still on a bike. Once in Africa, Fretigne starting 2nd or 3rd rode really well and caught up to Peterhansel on the ground who had started earlier having won the previous days stage. Peterhansel then deliberately missed a turn in the roadbook, knowing full well that Fretigne was on focused on his heels and would not be focusing that hard on the navigation. A few minutes later he feigned a mechanical problem and stopped allowing Fretigne to take the lead, before turning around and then following the correct route and to get the best time of the day to boot!

So no the starting order on the 1st stage makes much of a difference. This effect only really becomes a problem for the guys fighting for the podium, and then only after a day or so of riding. If anything the only problem with starting in reverse order is all the dust and the risk of fast riders hitting someone slower in front.

Thanks for the extensive explanation but you missed my argument regarding NO benefit for the previous stage winner - as there is none (except clear vision till the 2nd guy catches up).  I still believe my suggestion will make it a much more spectacular race, but heh, I'm not the Dakarian here  ;)

On a side note, you really make Coma sound like the victim he never was  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2020, 09:35:17 pm
I've been mostly offline for the last 3 weeks, but finally it is DAKAR time  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Shot for all the updates so far guys, especially BB. I'll do my share of procrastination at work tomorrow, don't worry  :deal:

I am super stoked with how many southern african riders we have, but especially Taye and Kirsten. Very exited to see how they fare. Of course Ross Branch is mixing it with the best of them from day 1, if he can hold it together we're going to see a stunning result there I think.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 05, 2020, 10:23:23 pm
And while I am rooting for all the SA riders I am also hoping for a win from Brabec  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2020, 10:54:47 pm



Can't find this video in english  :xxbah:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2020, 10:55:35 pm
Some more stage 1 highlights

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 05:33:34 am
Thanks for the extensive explanation but you missed my argument regarding NO benefit for the previous stage winner - as there is none (except clear vision till the 2nd guy catches up).  I still believe my suggestion will make it a much more spectacular race, but heh, I'm not the Dakarian here  ;)

On a side note, you really make Coma sound like the victim he never was  :imaposer:

Okay I get your point now.

On Coma being a victim - Really? I did not think so but hey. ;D

Maybe we are both reading things into one another posts that arent there. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 06, 2020, 06:09:23 am
Thanks for the updates guys.  :thumleft: :thumleft:
This is so exciting.

The SA ladies doing well , especially Taye. :ricky:

Ross Branch is the man to watch.

Great to see 3 Honda's in the top 10. Joan Barreda in @ 7.  :3some:
Hope Honda can last the pace this time .

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 06, 2020, 06:29:34 am
I just watched the highlights- the terrain looks pretty awesome. It certainly does look a lot like the old African terrain, which I like
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 06, 2020, 06:34:01 am
Today is a super marathon stage for the bikes at least. As far as I understand competitors will only get 10 mins to work on their bike without penalty after the stage and they will only get the road book 30 mins before the race start. Should be interesting...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2020, 06:43:56 am
And the first proper wheelie comes from none other than Princess Laia  :love10:

I know it's early days but I have such a good feeling about Rossi, and more so his navigation.  He might have started late with navigational rallies but I think he just has a natural gift.  I remember Lyndon, after the Kalahari Rally, commenting on Ross's exceptional talent with the road book and how he (RB) just 'got things just so much quicker'.

I just watched the highlights- the terrain looks pretty awesome. It certainly does look a lot like the old African terrain, which I like

Absolutely agree with the above quote

Thanks for the extensive explanation but you missed my argument regarding NO benefit for the previous stage winner - as there is none (except clear vision till the 2nd guy catches up).  I still believe my suggestion will make it a much more spectacular race, but heh, I'm not the Dakarian here  ;)

On a side note, you really make Coma sound like the victim he never was  :imaposer:

Okay I get your point now.

On Coma being a victim - Really? I did not think so but hey. ;D

Maybe we are both reading things into one another posts that arent there. :thumleft:

All good Niel  :thumleft: :ricky:

Thanks for the updates guys.  :thumleft: :thumleft:
This is so exciting.

The SA ladies doing well , especially Taye. :ricky:

Ross Branch is the man to watch.

Great to see 3 Honda's in the top 10. Joan Barreda in @ 7.  :3some:
Hope Honda can last the pace this time .



Ricky in @ 2  ;) :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 06, 2020, 06:49:39 am
I just watched the highlights- the terrain looks pretty awesome. It certainly does look a lot like the old African terrain, which I like

Yes  :thumleft:
and its closer for us to go over and watch too.  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 06, 2020, 06:55:15 am


Thanks for the updates guys.  :thumleft: :thumleft:
This is so exciting.

The SA ladies doing well , especially Taye. :ricky:

Ross Branch is the man to watch.

Great to see 3 Honda's in the top 10. Joan Barreda in @ 7.  :3some:
Hope Honda can last the pace this time .



Ricky in @ 2  ;) :imaposer:

Yes I would love Ricky  " “I WILL WIN SOON!”  to do well,  but his track record is much worse than Barreda .

DAKAR RECORD
OTHER PALMARES
2019: Ab. Stage 8
2018: Ab. Stage 13
2017: Ab. Stage 10 (1 stage win)
2016: 9th

And you know I have a soft spot for Barreda  :3some:

I would love the Honda guys and their bikes to endure and do well.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 07:03:53 am
I was just wondering if you had forgotten your first love  Barreda. ;D :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 07:05:36 am
First guys are on the stage and I have to go to bed soon
:(.

Where is SteveD? :dontknow:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 06, 2020, 07:11:26 am
I was just wondering if you had forgotten your first love  Barreda. ;D :thumleft:

 :imaposer: Nooooo.

But, Barreda is on probation, he has to pace himself and his machine this year, or he is out of my favour.  :deal:  :snorting:

The new Dakar time schedule is going to reduce my watching also, as I have to work.  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 07:21:15 am
Watched the beginning live on You Tube. I knew there wouldn’t be a lot of spectators but my word that was poor. Hope the racing makes up for lack of enthusiasm by the Saudis.

Exactly why I loved the race been held in South America. The spectator's were just as special as the race itself. Not sure why they came back to Africa.   :eek7:

Saudi - she is not in Afrika  :patch: O0
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Herkules on January 06, 2020, 07:27:16 am
 :sip: I can't find any trace of Geniel, does anyone know?  :bueller:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2020, 07:32:53 am
Seems like the TV people are also having first day jitters.

Zala with a SA flag   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2020, 07:34:02 am
:sip: I can't find any trace of Geniel, does anyone know?  :bueller:

Geniel in 14'th place
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Vis Arend on January 06, 2020, 08:03:08 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2020, 08:35:54 am
Look at Ross Branch  ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlomC on January 06, 2020, 08:39:08 am
Look at Ross Branch  ;)
I was just gonna say the same thing.... what a boytjie!!

19sec behind Barreda at km104!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 06, 2020, 08:50:49 am
Toby losing some time, but I suppose he won’t mind too much at thus stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 06, 2020, 09:09:19 am
Toby losing some time, but I suppose he won’t mind too much at thus stage

If you open the stage, you most probably will take a beating

Very impressed by Ross this morning!!!
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 09:10:29 am
What is up with Toby?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 09:10:48 am
Ross must have got his navigating right to the 1st waypoint

Also his speed is looking good - the way he is steadily climbing through riders in local time


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 09:12:05 am
Man taye Perry must have a knack for navigating -

She starts 70th - at wp1 she is 64th fastest and at wp2 60th


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2020, 09:18:30 am
Toby losing some time, but I suppose he won’t mind too much at thus stage

Something tells me navigation is going to be the overwhelming theme which will play havoc on the positions. I don't think Tobes is going to like what's happening today.  The Mullet Man is going to be seriously miffed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2020, 09:20:36 am
09:57 Big losses for Price
Toby Price, this morning’s leader of the general standings, is experiencing a very complicated beginning to the day’s special. The Australian has found it difficult to open the way and already trails Joan Barreda by 13’31. Ricky Brabec, who set off just after him, has also lost 10 minutes to the Spaniard, whilst Matthias Walkner lies 7 minutes behind.

looks a bit fresh there in the morning
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 06, 2020, 09:24:14 am
Anyone know whets happening with Aaron Mare? still showing in the DSS on Misha's site.

If he is a no starter then that would put Taye as the leading Saffer.  :thumleft:

probably a tracking issue though
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 09:31:09 am
214km in and Ross is fastest by a minute - woohoo


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 06, 2020, 09:36:50 am
Rossi in at No 1 spot at WP4 Bang Bang lost places down to 8th. would be awesome if Ross could get a stage win !!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BFG on January 06, 2020, 09:41:51 am
I think a lot of the big teams are going to take serious note of Branch this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: normanb on January 06, 2020, 09:42:55 am
KTM need to have a contract for him to sign just after the chequered flag no matter what happens.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 09:54:23 am
The Kalahari Ferrari has it pinned!  But of course to come first you have first to finish.  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2020, 09:56:26 am
The Kalahari Ferrari has it pinned!  But of course to come first you have first to finish.  :3some:

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2020, 09:59:53 am
The Kalahari Ferrari has it pinned!  But of course to come first you have first to finish.  :3some:

 :thumleft:

@XT JOE

EDIT: nvm, found it  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2020, 10:03:25 am
Marathon isn't it? Time losses might be due to tactics
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 06, 2020, 10:06:14 am
Toby losing some time, but I suppose he won’t mind too much at thus stage

Something tells me navigation is going to be the overwhelming theme which will play havoc on the positions. I don't think Tobes is going to like what's happening today.  The Mullet Man is going to be seriously miffed.

I think he won’t be winning a stage again any time soon, unless by accident :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 06, 2020, 10:07:06 am
Ross does not show at the next waypoint yet. Could he be lost, running in the lead and taking a wrong turn?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 06, 2020, 10:09:10 am
Ross does not show at the next waypoint yet. Could he be lost, running in the lead and taking a wrong turn?

Looks like was just a glitch in the system, he's still out in front.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Teapot on January 06, 2020, 10:09:18 am
Keeping an close eye on Ross , still super exiting to see the movement in the current stage , even though it is early days yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2020, 10:11:12 am
Ross does not show at the next waypoint yet. Could he be lost, running in the lead and taking a wrong turn?

Looks like was just a glitch in the system, he's still out in front.

I think he's also some ways away from being first on the road
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 06, 2020, 10:12:41 am
Ross Branch still in 1st pos at WP5 with Pablo 1:04m behind
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 06, 2020, 10:14:23 am
Graeme Sharp from Zimbabwe

The Dakar must be seriously expensive for someone living in Zim? :deal: :o :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 06, 2020, 10:14:54 am
Ross does not show at the next waypoint yet. Could he be lost, running in the lead and taking a wrong turn?

He is leading the timesheets, but not opening the road
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 10:24:28 am
On the road he is 10th so he is in a good place


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 10:39:52 am
Maree out injured. Tye first Saffer at present  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 10:40:33 am
Toby losing some time, but I suppose he won’t mind too much at thus stage

Something tells me navigation is going to be the overwhelming theme which will play havoc on the positions. I don't think Tobes is going to like what's happening today.  The Mullet Man is going to be seriously miffed.

This is something I expected for this year's race and I like it. Navigation should be a critical part of the race and I think the terrain in Saudi allows for exactly that.

Things are heating up already and I like it  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 10:43:35 am
Ross not showing up at wp6, hope it is only a system glitch  :peepwall:


editl: He's showing now and still fastest. LEKKER


edit: And look at Taye, 55th so far at wp4. She must be absolutely in the zone  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2020, 10:44:49 am
Ross not showing up at wp6, hope it is only a system glitch  :peepwall:


editl: He's showing now and still fastest. LEKKER

Yeah he is back up. Still 1st
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 10:47:55 am

And look at Taye, 55th so far at wp4. She must be absolutely in the zone  :ricky:


Well she is the first and fastest Saffer out there.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2020, 10:48:55 am
Ross not showing up at wp6, hope it is only a system glitch  :peepwall:


editl: He's showing now and still fastest. LEKKER

Yeah he is back up. Still 1st

First at WP6.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 06, 2020, 10:51:56 am
Maree out injured. Tye first Saffer at present  :thumleft:

No man, was hoping for a tracker issue :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 06, 2020, 10:54:34 am
Maree out injured. Tye first Saffer at present  :thumleft:

No man, was hoping for a tracker issue :(

Sad, and he was doing so well
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 10:55:26 am
While I am also rooting for Kirsten, I do think Taye has the edge on her when it comes to cross country racing.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 10:56:10 am
Hard to believe Toby is 14m down and Brabec 11  :o . But ja early stages - he can also be a comeback boy.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 10:58:16 am
While I am also rooting for Kirsten, I do think Taye has the edge on her when it comes to cross country racing.

Ja very different - Kirsten is at her best in tech. I think she is also playing it strategically. It is a long race - never won on the first day or two.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 10:58:34 am
If Ross makes it through the last check point he is going to bump up the general classification big time .

So happy that the navigational changes have come this year - great equalizer
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 10:59:32 am
KTM may just pop over this evening  to offer him any spares he needs for the next two weeks  - LOL


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:01:40 am
The first 9 guys so far are running very close to each other timewise with TP being 14min back at wp6, obviously a gap he should be able to reel back in fairly easily. Maybe playing it safe this early on?

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2020, 11:02:15 am
If Ross makes it through the last check point he is going to bump up the general classification big time .

So happy that the navigational changes have come this year - great equalizer

Agree
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 11:04:37 am
Top 5 in ASS - Ross almost there. Toby down to 5th  ::)  I am sure he can knock off 10 minutes without too much of a sweat.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:04:57 am
on the car front it looks like alonso is having some challenges.
Quote
11:42 Alonso grinds to a halt
Fernando Alonso has been at a standstill after 160 km of the special for almost 20 minutes, a pity for the Spanish driver taking part in his first Dakar who was in fourth place after 100 km of the special.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:08:32 am
Btw for those interested, the F5irehose thread for 2020 from advrider is here: https://advrider.com/f/threads/f5-constituency-2020-saudi-dakar-rally-official-adv-coverage-thread-jan-5th-16th.1422115/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:12:49 am
Sounds like princess Laia has had a bad crash but still going.

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Laia: it's very dangerous to ride together in the dust. I hit something and crashed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENlZ6gFXsAApLwU?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENlZ6f-XUAE7WJ-?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:13:49 am
Quote
12:01 Fall for Laia Sanz
The stage has taken a difficult turn for Laia Sanz with a fall on the first part of the special. As a result, she has lost 20 minutes. The young lady rider is digging deep and continuing along the route to Neom.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 11:15:30 am
Looks like Ross has done it!


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:16:54 am
Ross you biscuit. Provisionally first for the day.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 11:17:48 am
Drops him down to 6th overall; great stage win,
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 11:18:05 am
Stage win would make him a Special Branch  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 11:18:55 am
Drops him down to 6th overall; great stage win,

NO! Bumps him UP to 6th overall.  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 06, 2020, 11:19:10 am
Ross you beauty!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2020, 11:21:54 am
As I have it Ross, although provisional, will be 6th overall ;)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2020, 11:22:09 am
Ross you beauty!!!!!!!!

 :headbang: :headbang:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 11:24:03 am
OK so Toby is 9th with 7 minutes deficit - could be worse.

Special Branch just 4 off the lead!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 11:25:14 am


NO! Bumps him UP to 6th overall.  ::)
Yes as so far as 6th is down from 14th   :imaposer:  my bad wording
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 11:27:06 am
Taye faster than Pol puts her into 2nd ladies.
Laia still first it seems; waiting for last CP. 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 06, 2020, 11:29:55 am
Sounds like princess Laia has had a bad crash but still going.

Quote
Laia: it's very dangerous to ride together in the dust. I hit something and crashed

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENlZ6gFXsAApLwU?format=jpg&name=small)


Does anyone know what the ruling is on medical assistance on the marathon stage?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:32:49 am
I reckon Toby Price is in a very dangerous position. at 7:34 min down in 9th place. He might be trying to just stay in striking distance until it suits him?

It looks like it is going to be a helluva race this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:37:12 am

Does anyone know what the ruling is on medical assistance on the marathon stage?

I can't imagine there are limits to medical assistance? The riders probably won't have access to team medical staff, but I'm sure there will be organisational medical staff available for someone like Laia who will need it tonight?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 11:39:03 am
Taye faster than Pol puts her into 2nd ladies.
Laia still first it seems; waiting for last CP.

She lost 20 minutes with her off.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 06, 2020, 11:41:28 am
Yip... Roos Tak....

Lekker, Rssie!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:44:28 am
Taye 58th at both wp4 and wp5 so holding steady.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:48:43 am
I am shamelessly stealing from the F5irehose  O0

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENlpLnmXkAAU69t?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2020, 11:50:51 am
Oh how I would like Ross to kick all those fancy pants riders asses  :ricky:

I can see how they're checking his bike out, like WTF  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:56:01 am
From fb
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Aaron Mare is out. He dislocated his wrist and collarbone. Will be flying out for an operation today or tomorrow

Then a quick interview with the kalahari ferrari

https://www.facebook.com/KTMSouthAfrica/videos/561095828066487/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 12:03:57 pm
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81578898_2603490883089435_7207389605874630656_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=n2eP_BHlshAAQmx86zyRKgl6AEovuOkqCD1RNX9aq8AKVlHyAeOBKOJcg&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=146c787e619d5d2c7d32eb446954a945&oe=5E974C49)

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81346214_2603490999756090_520528922215972864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=2K8UuI3yEUMAQlWFuXWQzyU0pruJ472ZUWR34CWuXR8y0XmfmYPSDnb4A&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=4dc83a63640af49bb9f8713d0dc9dd19&oe=5E9E4765)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2020, 12:08:13 pm
Just think how fast Ross could go if he could actually open his eyes  >:D

What a result!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 06, 2020, 12:15:42 pm
Just think how fast Ross could go if he could actually open his eyes  >:D

What a result!  :thumleft:

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

And he's in a great place now. Not the pressure of leading, but so close he can pace himself optimally and conserve energy (and bike) for a fast push at the end. It sounds crazy, but he can actually win this thing!   :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 12:23:46 pm
Laia provisionally 28th and that is after having a major off. That is one tough lady
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 06, 2020, 12:33:03 pm
Oh my, what a pleasure it is to log in today. Go Ross!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 06, 2020, 12:44:13 pm
Just think how fast Ross could go if he could actually open his eyes  >:D


LOL too funny
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sheepman on January 06, 2020, 12:50:14 pm
Oh how I would like Ross to kick all those fancy pants riders asses  :ricky:

I can see how they're checking his bike out, like WTF  :imaposer:

Jip, more talent and skills and less razmattaz - that's Ross 😉
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2020, 12:54:59 pm
WOW, looks like Giniel might take the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:03:24 pm
Taye not showing up at wp6. Graeme, Kirsten and Stuart already through wp6 so hope nothing has gone wrong for her.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 06, 2020, 01:05:28 pm
Taye not showing up at wp6. Graeme, Kirsten and Stuart already through wp6 so hope nothing has gone wrong for her.

looks like about 15 riders went awol there
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2020, 01:06:11 pm
Oh how I would like Ross to kick all those fancy pants riders asses  :ricky:

I can see how they're checking his bike out, like WTF  :imaposer:

Jip, more talent and skills and less razmattaz - that's Ross 😉
I just saw a post elsewhere with rider, position, National Flag, I didn’t recognize the Botswanan Flag.  :-[
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 06, 2020, 01:06:40 pm
WOW, looks like Giniel might take the stage.

Woohoo!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:07:00 pm
Quote
13:40 Another episode in the saga of African triumph
After finishing 13th and as the best newcomer last year, Ross Branch has today won his first stage on the Dakar. In the history of the bike category, he is the first winner from Africa since the last in the series from South African Alfie Cox in 2003 (who picked up 8 specials in total), whilst Franco-Malian Alain Duclos won in his hometown of Bamako in 2006, then again in 2014 in Argentina. The continent has enjoyed other victories more recently in the quad race with Brian Baragwanath in 2016. It is especially represented at the highest level in the car race by Giniel de Villiers, who won the rally in 2009 and picked up his 14th special stage victory in 2018.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 06, 2020, 01:07:13 pm
Ross you beauty!!!!!!!!

 :headbang: :headbang:
:thumleft: :thumleft: :wav:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 01:11:07 pm
Quite a few riders missing CP6 times even though they are finished; possible technical error there or penalties coming for all?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 06, 2020, 01:11:43 pm
13:58 De Villiers pips everyone at the post
Giniel de Villiers has won his first stage victory on the Dakar in Saudi Arabia thanks to a faultless special, whereas most of his rivals struggled with the complicated navigation. The South African took advantage of a mistake by long time stage leader Yazeed Al-Rajhi in the last few kilometres to triumph, almost 4 minutes in front of Orlando Terranova.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2020, 01:18:18 pm
Quite a few riders missing CP6 times even though they are finished; possible technical error there or penalties coming for all?
Even up in the top 10 there were a few.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 06, 2020, 01:18:21 pm
Looks like Graeme is having a great day having moved up 48 positions so far!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 01:20:19 pm
Lets see if she arrives in the next 5-10 minutes.  Going by her position at CP5 she would be expected about now.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2020, 01:21:53 pm
Also Zim dude C. RAUTENBACH leading stage in SSV.


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:36:45 pm
Quote
What do you mean I've won?
   :imaposer: :imaposer:

Love his attitude

https://www.facebook.com/sadakargroup/videos/489774055294822/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rough Rider on January 06, 2020, 01:41:02 pm
Brilliant Ross, well done.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:49:39 pm
From Toby Price on Facebook

Quote
Dakar Rally Stage 2 - 15th 🏁
Outright Standing - 9th, 0:07:34 from the leader!
A very challenging day with our first Super Marathon stage complete, it is all new for everyone and doesn’t really allow us much time to work on the bikes which made things interesting. Navigation today was really difficult and the conditions were tricky with so many lines to choose from! With such heavy navigation, it leaves you feeling like you’re gambling with your decisions all day, but it makes it interesting for all competitors. Starting first is always going to be a disadvantage and today was a day I knew the rest of the field would make time on me, I don’t plan on starting first too many more times after my efforts today 😅 but I’m feeling good, the bike is in good shape for tomorrow and I’m looking forward to Stage 3!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 01:51:06 pm
Stuart in at #87, No Taye or Kirsten yet.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2020, 01:54:04 pm
Aaron Mare out
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:54:05 pm
Shit man. I hope nothing has gone wrong for Taye. She was having such a strong day.

Some more pics of Ross from AdvRider:

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-6_11-39-44-png.2071142/)

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-6_11-39-56-png.2071143/)

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-6_11-40-5-png.2071144/)

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 01:55:29 pm
Kirsten at ASS ; 93rd
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 01:56:25 pm
Graeme Sharp in at #60
Stuart Gregory in at #84
Kirsten Landman in at #79

Taye Perry and Wessel Bosman left.

Edit: This was wp6...  :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Leo on January 06, 2020, 02:08:02 pm
Taye Perry and Wessel Bosman left.

Left the race or left WP6?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Minxy on January 06, 2020, 02:08:47 pm
Graeme Sharp in at #60
Stuart Gregory in at #84
Kirsten Landman in at #79

Taye Perry and Wessel Bosman left.

Edit: This was wp6...  :lamer:

Regarding Taye I am really hoping it is just a tracker issue.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 02:09:01 pm
Still to finish.
Both dont have WP6 and Finish times.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:09:06 pm
Taye Perry and Wessel Bosman left.

Left the race or left WP6?

Still on the stage somewhere...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:09:42 pm
Another cool shot of Ross from the BAS team fb page

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81694949_2603566916415165_6133448529751834624_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=fG52gN43_TsAQk9w3p6JmHrs27umKeoU-vqov_V9zYAie0MxgEhb9cxOw&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=f9ae139d8005cd1d51112265039fc6e3&oe=5E923A69)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 02:10:14 pm
Just showing finish time for Taye. 101st.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:13:07 pm
Just showing finish time for Taye. 101st.

Awesome. I'm guessing a nav mistake, but sure we'll know soon enough. She's 15min down on Kirsten now.
Kirsten has done really well today, looks like she kept a steady pace likely taking a slightly conservative pace which is the right approach for Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 02:16:25 pm
Bad news from Wessell Bosman; seems to have broken his ankle and is out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:18:03 pm
Bad news from Wessell Bosman; seems to have broken his ankle and is out.

Shit man that is terrible news  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 02:26:02 pm
Shit - I wonder what happened to Taye?  Maybe a whole posse went off track and she was caught up in it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Numsch on January 06, 2020, 02:27:40 pm
Yip a bunch of them seem to have missed WP6. At least she has finished, now just hoping the penalty is not that much.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 02:31:54 pm
As the times are coming in she is falling further down the results for today.
Provisionally 113rd now
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 06, 2020, 02:36:54 pm
Yip a bunch of them seem to have missed WP6. At least she has finished, now just hoping the penalty is not that much.

If that is the case, hard lesson learnt. Never follow. Always navigate
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 02:39:46 pm
Bloody hell Ross you BEAUTY!!!

I am so excited but don't want to get my hopes up too early. It is only SS2 after all.
He is relaxed and chilled, so I think will be mentally good for the pressure that is now going to come.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 02:41:04 pm
So bummed to hear about Andre & Wessel, these fast rocky tracks are brutal.

Anyone know what happened to Taye? Im guessing people got hopelessly lost out there with lots of others following one another all over the desert. What a mare.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:45:48 pm
Taye arriving at the bivouac in Neom.

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81906218_3712069025477690_761037671928692736_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=mbOmPzeYK4UAQlOFH_40gOM8_8rw55oj5MUhifGHBrGurtO2xYwGU9jww&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=ae54612ca352413165c7c99eb775499f&oe=5E9DDCAC)


Quote
Brian Baragwanath
1 hr
Southern Africans cleaning up today! Well done Ross Branch for winning the bikes and Giniel De Villiers for winning the cars! #HistoryIsMade
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:46:17 pm
...double post  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 06, 2020, 02:46:47 pm
Dropping from 61 to 113 in the timing for the day; navigation or technical?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:48:15 pm
Quote
Wessel Bosman
Hi Guys you won't find my name at the end of this stage...
Tried to jump a river cutaway when I had to make room for a truck...
Either it was to big or I rode too slow☺️☺️
With the impact on the other side I broke my ankle...
Quite funny for me to have something broken..and that when the bike or me never down
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2020, 02:50:17 pm
Kirsten doing very well in the end riding steadily climbing 16 places to 97th. :hello2:

Stuart Gregory as well finishing up 28 places in 84th!  :hello2:

I see Bang Bang must have made a navigation error or crashed because he was the only one faster than Ross right up to Wp4 and then he dropped 3:30 minutes off Ross. Amazingly Ross was less than a minute slower than Bam Bam until Bam Bam lost it. Wonderful but scary. Keeping up these paces for two weeks is ...... just not normal. ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 02:50:41 pm
Audio clip: Feedback on SS2 from Sam Sunderland
https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/sunderland-day2.mp3

(https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-jpg/sunderland/22083/0:0,800:665-800-0-70/494a2)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 06, 2020, 02:51:22 pm
Quote
Wessel Bosman
Hi Guys you won't find my name at the end of this stage...
Tried to jump a river cutaway when I had to make room for a truck...
Either it was to big or I rode too slow☺️☺️
With the impact on the other side I broke my ankle...
Quite funny for me to have something broken..and that when the bike or me never down
What a pity
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 03:07:28 pm
Interview with Graeme Sharp after the stage today. Great stuff.

https://www.facebook.com/mydakarsafari/videos/577795143002853/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 03:34:37 pm
The saffa's are hanging together in the provisional overall rankings.

Ross is #6

Then the saffa's with
Stuart #85
Kirsten #86
Taye #87

followed by Graeme at #100 due to his 40min penalty from yesterday having placed in #73 on the stage today.

Can't wait for tomorrow  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 03:42:43 pm
So it seems a navigation mistake only 5km from the end of the stage is what cost Taye

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Stage 2 went well and TP was really happy with her pace...until 5kms to the end, where a navigation problem caused a small setback. Lessons learned today will be used positively in the next week and a half!
TP: 🎤" All good .. had some navigation problems 5km from end. Happy with my pace!"
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 04:01:56 pm
Some feedback from Kirsten. Sounds like very challenging conditions with lots of dust and hazards making it hard to ride and navigate while keeping the pace up.

https://www.facebook.com/kirst117/videos/792121234638950/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 06, 2020, 04:44:00 pm
WOW, well done to all, especially Giniel and Ross
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 04:50:09 pm
Some shots of Kirsten on the stage today

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 04:52:07 pm
Interesting point about Giniel & Ross
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TGRSA:" It has been a great day for 💥Giniel and Alex, as they won the stage in their SA-built Toyota Hilux. 🇧🇼Ross Branch won the stage - on his KTM! A fantastic day for Southern African drivers/riders, with 🇿🇼Conrad Rautenbach going third-fastest in the SxS category. Back to Giniel and Ross: They both started in 14th; both won the stage; and both moved up into 6th overall. And, of course, they’ll both be opening the road tomorrow"

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 04:56:50 pm
Brilliant   :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 06, 2020, 05:13:12 pm
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 06, 2020, 05:45:11 pm
Awesome  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Wolzak on January 06, 2020, 05:58:20 pm
 :thumleft: they make us proud.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: zacapa on January 06, 2020, 06:02:51 pm
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-2-dakar-rally-2020

I see the RedBull channel is still under construction. Should work again in a few minutes hopefully for the proper 20 minute recap. My PC observer takeaway status today is that you gotta be careful of how you spool in that roadbook so it works well with your setup.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 07:34:42 pm
https://www.redbull.com/int-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-2-dakar-rally-2020

I see the RedBull channel is still under construction. Should work again in a few minutes hopefully for the proper 20 minute recap. My PC observer takeaway status today is that you gotta be careful of how you spool in that roadbook so it works well with your setup.

Thanks for that link. Great recap, well done yet again to RedBull  :thumleft: . Really enjoyed the bit with Cyril Despres and Mike Horn. They're clearly just having a great time  O0

Can't wait for tomorrow  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 07:53:31 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 07:57:55 pm
Dakar heroes featuring Kirsten Landman among others  :ricky:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 08:28:07 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 08:33:59 pm
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Laia Sanz
When taking a turn around the 30th km, I've lowered my head for a moment to look to the roadbook and I've hit a rock and suffered a high-side launch. I've got hip pain, but I've been able to finish the stage (p38) and I hope to be fine tomorrow. The worst thing is that I'll be far back in the running order and gaining positions amid all the dust between the canyons will be difficult...

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2020, 09:43:38 pm
A proper tough kookie - it will take more than a small Barreda sprain or headache to stop her. Early days - she will claw positions back, no fear.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Constantinople on January 06, 2020, 10:12:16 pm
andrewshort29
Stage 2 was really good for me right until the end when I had a big get off. Ended up P 10 on the day after collecting myself. Smashed my bike really bad and also my body. Around k345 of the 367k special. Happy to be walking and talking. Might need @max25steffens to overnight some helmets to Saudi if I keep crashing at this rate . Massive thanks to @rossbranchbw for picking me up off the ground and letting me follow him to the end. He also won the stage today which is amazing. Today was the super marathon stage also so there is no mechanical work or assistance. Really not ideal but this is what makes Rally so fun and challenging. Especially @dakarrally . Going to try and repair my bike on the clock tomorrow and do my best to try and get the roadbook tower working again so I know where to go.

Credit: rides2little on Advrider
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:15:14 pm
andrewshort29
Stage 2 was really good for me right until the end when I had a big get off. Ended up P 10 on the day after collecting myself. Smashed my bike really bad and also my body. Around k345 of the 367k special. Happy to be walking and talking. Might need @max25steffens to overnight some helmets to Saudi if I keep crashing at this rate . Massive thanks to @rossbranchbw for picking me up off the ground and letting me follow him to the end. He also won the stage today which is amazing. Today was the super marathon stage also so there is no mechanical work or assistance. Really not ideal but this is what makes Rally so fun and challenging. Especially @dakarrally . Going to try and repair my bike on the clock tomorrow and do my best to try and get the roadbook tower working again so I know where to go.

Credit: rides2little on Advrider

All round good guy Ross  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2020, 11:22:18 pm
This must have been a seat pinching moment for #118 Alexandre Bispo   :eek7:

(https://i.imgur.com/uvWpO01.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bbCtR2u.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Numsch on January 07, 2020, 06:41:05 am
This must have been a seat pinching moment for #118 Alexandre Bispo   :eek7:

(https://i.imgur.com/uvWpO01.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bbCtR2u.jpg)

Eish!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 06:52:27 am
Hectic, scary moment for that rider  ! :o

The new regs re the Roadbook is leading to stress for many ( not Rossie lol ) , it gives them more time the night before as Garrett Poucher said but it also means more stress riding while navigating without preview.

Adv Rider:
"AvBev talks 1m51s and I bet he says more than just:
It’s not turning out as I would have liked it to. I’m focusing on navigation because it’s difficult, but in the meantime, I’m not accelerating and I’m losing time. I’m losing ground because I’m not quick enough and what’s more I’ve struck several rocks. As a result, I damaged my front wheel, making the bike a bit instable, which didn’t help my confidence at all. I’m struggling to find the right balance between navigation and speed. I’m not that worried about it, but I need to force myself to find my footing. I’m disappointed with how it’s going, but I need to let go of my anger and hope that tomorrow things will be better”.
https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2020/...m-struggling-to-find-the-right-balance/163994

I also see from Wikipedia they have cameras in the rider's vehicles !  :o

Changes in regulations
Several new formats will be introduced this year. On some stages new colour-coded roadbooks will be handed out only minutes prior to the start of the timed sector. The aim is reduce competitive advantage of the big teams and to rebalance the parameters in favour of the less professional entries. In order to eliminate cheating with technology only affordable by the largest teams, all unapproved competitor electronic devices will need to be locked in a sealed compartment during the race. Also, the organizers will place cameras inside participants vehicles to review footage if suspicion arises. [9] Motorcycle "Super Marathon" stage will be introduced, where only 10 minutes of work on the machines will be allowed. This is on top of already traditional all vehicle marathon stage. Competitors who were forced to retire will be permitted to re-join the rally in the “Dakar Experience” classification. [10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Dakar_Rally
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 06:56:14 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 07, 2020, 07:06:19 am
Allow me to show my ignorance?
At what time is kick-off? Do they televise the whole period obvisouly jumping from point to point comeptitor to competitor or are there only highlights on youtube?

thanks
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 07:12:48 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

It worries me too. By looking at the Roadbook the night before you can't remember everything but subconsciously you have an idea of the route and especially pick up double cautions etc and sleep on it while your brain absorbs it.

Looking at eg Laia 's fall , it's not like her to fall so early in a race, it happened while she was looking down to navigate and I think she struck a rock.
It is also tricky to have sand and rocks mixed up like that.

It is definitely leveling the playing fields and allowing raw new talent like Ross to rise to the top.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2020, 07:15:55 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

As I understand the road books are still marked and colour coded its just done generically.

Also it’s going back to the roots of the adventure aspect of the race. If it means you have to slow done a bit then that’s fine.

I also think you’re better off avoiding marking a road book for 3 hours the night before and actually resting so your wits are about you.

If you’re one of the slower riders like position 50 and over you probably do a lot of following and less proper navigation anyway.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2020, 07:16:44 am
Allow me to show my ignorance?
At what time is kick-off? Do they televise the whole period obvisouly jumping from point to point comeptitor to competitor or are there only highlights on youtube?

thanks

They are off, the Ferrari is 2 seconds behind the leader at WP1  :biggrin: considering he is opening, that is awesome.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 07:21:16 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

As I understand the road books are still marked and colour coded its just done generically.

Also it’s going back to the roots of the adventure aspect of the race. If it means you have to slow done a bit then that’s fine.

I also think you’re better off avoiding marking a road book for 3 hours the night before and actually resting so your wits are about you.

If you’re one of the slower riders like position 50 and over you probably do a lot of following and less proper navigation anyway.

It may be marked , but its not marked how you are used to it , and you but you have a max of 25 minutes ( and probably less ) before the actual race starts ( and when you are still worrying about and fiddling with your bike and gear ) and not a good time with your nerves on edge to pick up big cautions. You will literally see a caution while racing ( of if you are lucky , just before you leave) 

It also looks more dusty in Saudi then South America, seeing lots of riders complain about the dust.

I think it is more dangerous, but then this is the Dakar .  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: goodtoogo on January 07, 2020, 07:21:44 am
Road books are handed out now with colour coded instructions. Red = caution ect. Riders would have colour coded it in any event.
It's a good in that individual skill as apposed to budget is now the advantage. Lyndon poskitt predicted Ross's advantage with the new regs. I still can't fathom how you even are able to read a road book or gps at 100 plus offroad in the dust, fatigued .

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 07:21:54 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

It worries me too. By looking at the Roadbook the night before you can't remember everything but subconsciously you have an idea of the route and especially pick up double cautions etc and sleep on it while your brain absorbs it.

Looking at eg Laia 's fall , it's not like her to fall so early in a race, it happened while she was looking down to navigate and I think she struck a rock.
It is also tricky to have sand and rocks mixed up like that.

It is definitely leveling the playing fields and allowing raw new talent like Ross to rise to the top.
I like it. I think for the first time the riders now have to be super focused on navigation. If you can't ride fast and navigate you have to bring down the pace, simple really. This puts a lot more emphasis on rider skill rather than than team budget and preparation. The teams that used to have mappers scouting shortcuts can't do that now. This also highlights just what an impact the mappers had. I think this was a move in the right direction. Dakar shouldn't be just about the fastest rider, it should be a combo of riding skills, navigation and endurance.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 07:24:00 am
andrewshort29
Stage 2 was really good for me right until the end when I had a big get off. Ended up P 10 on the day after collecting myself. Smashed my bike really bad and also my body. Around k345 of the 367k special. Happy to be walking and talking. Might need @max25steffens to overnight some helmets to Saudi if I keep crashing at this rate . Massive thanks to @rossbranchbw for picking me up off the ground and letting me follow him to the end. He also won the stage today which is amazing. Today was the super marathon stage also so there is no mechanical work or assistance. Really not ideal but this is what makes Rally so fun and challenging. Especially @dakarrally . Going to try and repair my bike on the clock tomorrow and do my best to try and get the roadbook tower working again so I know where to go.

Credit: rides2little on Advrider



All round good guy Ross  :thumleft:

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 07:38:17 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

It worries me too. By looking at the Roadbook the night before you can't remember everything but subconsciously you have an idea of the route and especially pick up double cautions etc and sleep on it while your brain absorbs it.

Looking at eg Laia 's fall , it's not like her to fall so early in a race, it happened while she was looking down to navigate and I think she struck a rock.
It is also tricky to have sand and rocks mixed up like that.

It is definitely leveling the playing fields and allowing raw new talent like Ross to rise to the top.
I like it. I think for the first time the riders now have to be super focused on navigation. If you can't ride fast and navigate you have to bring down the pace, simple really. This puts a lot more emphasis on rider skill rather than than team budget and preparation. The teams that used to have mappers scouting shortcuts can't do that now. This also highlights just what an impact the mappers had. I think this was a move in the right direction. Dakar shouldn't be just about the fastest rider, it should be a combo of riding skills, navigation and endurance.

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First time that they are super focused on navigation? Have they just been pissing about for the last 40 years?

I am no expert of course so maybe I am missing the mark completely. I've only done one navigational rally but it's something that would've bothered me had I been there.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 07:40:37 am
Ricky Bobby flying through WP1  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 07:53:32 am
Good to see Soult train moving up as well.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 07:53:56 am
[07:47, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: Sam @ WP2 .. No Ross yet

[07:52, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: 08:45 Branch at a standstill after 88 km
Ross Branch has ground to a halt after an impeccable start to the stage in his position as first man out. The winner of stage two has been halted for a number of minutes after 88 km of the special. Pablo Quintanilla has also lost a significant amount of time in the same place
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 07:56:07 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

It worries me too. By looking at the Roadbook the night before you can't remember everything but subconsciously you have an idea of the route and especially pick up double cautions etc and sleep on it while your brain absorbs it.

Looking at eg Laia 's fall , it's not like her to fall so early in a race, it happened while she was looking down to navigate and I think she struck a rock.
It is also tricky to have sand and rocks mixed up like that.

It is definitely leveling the playing fields and allowing raw new talent like Ross to rise to the top.
I like it. I think for the first time the riders now have to be super focused on navigation. If you can't ride fast and navigate you have to bring down the pace, simple really. This puts a lot more emphasis on rider skill rather than than team budget and preparation. The teams that used to have mappers scouting shortcuts can't do that now. This also highlights just what an impact the mappers had. I think this was a move in the right direction. Dakar shouldn't be just about the fastest rider, it should be a combo of riding skills, navigation and endurance.

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First time that they are super focused on navigation? Have they just been pissing about for the last 40 years?

I am no expert of course so maybe I am missing the mark completely. I've only done one navigational rally but it's something that would've bothered me had I been there.
What I meant by that that is on the fly learning the route as you go. I'm sorry but the big teams definitely had an advantage in mapping and learning the route the previous evening. Now even the privateer rookie has a chance at beating the factory rider at nav. I think this is a much fairer system and a lot more in the spirit of the original race in my opinion. From the rumblings on adv rider and in the media it seems most riders are dealing with it ok and the spectators are mostly for if.

If you can't read the route and ride fast then you won't win. It is a shakeup of the status quo for sure, but it takes the race away from the almost wrc style race we've had in recent years where speed played a disproportionate role. Look at what happened last year when they made the focus on navigation stronger, ended up being a brilliant race because of it. I think this will go the same way.

Need to get into the office so I can start following live tracking....

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 07:56:14 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 08:02:43 am
[07:47, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: Sam @ WP2 .. No Ross yet

[07:52, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: 08:45 Branch at a standstill after 88 km
Ross Branch has ground to a halt after an impeccable start to the stage in his position as first man out. The winner of stage two has been halted for a number of minutes after 88 km of the special. Pablo Quintanilla has also lost a significant amount of time in the same place

f@k  :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 08:09:53 am
[08:08, 1/7/2020] Aimee Branch:
 Hi guys he has had a crash. He is okay. Not sure of all the facts but his navigation system is no longer working by the sound of things. Will update you as soon as I have any further news. Thanks for all the support
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 08:10:54 am
@Kortbroek  I agree with the route spotters although I am not sure removing that aspect will give a privateer a better chance anyway.

What I think about when I hear you can't study the book is that you can't do things like, triple caution, mark big red. Tricky nav section with multiple quick direction changes, mark focus. Open easier sections, mark go. CAP indications, write bigger so it's easier to read on the fly. Simple things, not WRC level simplification.

To me this puts the middle of the road guys at more of a disadvantage or in danger than anyone else.

But hey, that is me with close to zero exposure to it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 08:20:10 am
I agree the RB thing is a real toss-up - you may see some more level playing fields but will also see a lot more offs due to it. While you can have a genericly marked RB marking your own is also part of the race and racing - it becomes quite personalized and different riders have their own systems and intenalize it while marking up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 08:21:25 am
Sien Ross is weer op die map, 39min verloor...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 08:23:06 am
Sien Ross is weer op die map, 39min verloor...

  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 08:24:35 am
[08:19, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: 🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P91 From P93 @ WP1 Provisional

[08:20, 07/01/2020] Johan Dakar group: Stage 1 Provisional 18 R. Branch P12 From P2 @ WP3 Provisional
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 08:25:17 am
Yamaha should have kept Rodney Faggoter, he is doing better than some of the official riders.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 08:26:24 am
09:21 Branch is in trouble!
Ross Branch seems to be experiencing a nightmarish third stage. Yesterday’s winner has injured his shoulder in a fall after 90 km and trails the stage leader by 39 minutes, with still 325 km to cover before the finishing line…
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 08:32:24 am
O FFS..........



09:26 Van Beveren falls and exits the race
The Yamaha rider has suffered a severe fall after just three kilometres of the day’s special. He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 07, 2020, 08:33:12 am
looks like AVB and Gonc are out. AVB with a fall and Gonc with a blown engine.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 08:34:26 am
O FFS..........



09:26 Van Beveren falls and exits the race
The Yamaha rider has suffered a severe fall after just three kilometres of the day’s special. He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

Ah man and I was just about to give the wheelie boss a shout out  :-[



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 07, 2020, 08:44:19 am
Brabec is probably Honda’s best chance at a win, he seems to be having a great start again this year. On a personal level I would like to see him win, but I am an unashamed KTM fanboy!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 08:45:38 am
09:21 Branch is in trouble!
Ross Branch seems to be experiencing a nightmarish third stage. Yesterday’s winner has injured his shoulder in a fall after 90 km and trails the stage leader by 39 minutes, with still 325 km to cover before the finishing line…

eish
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:46:52 am
Shit man. Absolutely devastated for Ross. It is going to be a hard fight to claw back to a decent position from there.

I do agree that the roadbook thing has made it a bit more dangerous @Dwerg  , the attrition rate by day 3 is a clear indication of that. At the same time I think really brings a different dynamic to the race.
As far as I know the cautions etc are clearly marked/colour coded on the roadbooks though and the ertf system has audio warnings for cautions these days, I think a few meters ahead of the caution so you should hear it in time.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:48:15 am
O FFS..........



09:26 Van Beveren falls and exits the race
The Yamaha rider has suffered a severe fall after just three kilometres of the day’s special. He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

Dammit man this sucks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2020, 08:51:20 am
As a professional you should keep your head on days like today - Ross should’ve taken it easy and lost 6-8 mins - no sweat.

I’m sure he has had a few tears in that helmet since his crash! Hectic

I Hope he can keep going

I agree that Brabec is looking good for Honda 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:54:48 am
As a professional you should keep your head on days like today - Ross should’ve taken it easy and lost 6-8 mins - no sweat.

I’m sure he has had a few tears in that helmet since his crash! Hectic

I Hope he can keep going

I agree that Brabec is looking good for Honda 

Ja I agree, but maybe he was and just got caught out idk?

I wonder if he'll be able to make up the lost time. I see at wp3 he is now 45min off the pace. That is a big gap to try and make up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:03:15 am
A few shots from this morning.

Stuart's bike before stage 3
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Taye heading out for the day
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82008890_3917169244975431_4094063131213430784_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=PXcnLyFVtA8AQmW_BTWCv62ACZY7F6TChzRfbXfelnBh5sL6-EuXaQiXA&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=246fc356bc1b7f80fdda39d1f2e44079&oe=5EB23A31)

Ross out on the stage, not sure before or after his fall.
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82292074_1077339292620744_7991435220039499776_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ohc=iSBcJtbBEckAQnO6LZAEjs2s_DvAx4qFvTNu7LUOkUIG0xFmv-3QA0gJQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=2fd97411b7a28b109a52510ab5b4d059&oe=5EB1644F)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 09:03:36 am
Ag no man Ross. Its a long race. Hopefully he can nurse this one in and recover.

Happens often to 2nd stage winner unfortunately. Sam, Bang Bang, Ze Helio to mentioned a few. Now Ross. :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2020, 09:06:27 am
Ai! Sympathy for Ross! Hope he can still finish and confirm his skill and bravery to the world (and sponsors).

Could it be that the riders are pushing too hard in relatively unknown terrain, misjudging "smaller" dangers such as rocks? Day 3 and it is looking like there will be a lot of attrition.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 09:07:57 am
Ross is ok.Made it to refuelling point at km153.Been cleared by medical team and will carry on🙏🏻
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 07, 2020, 09:09:54 am
Shit man. Absolutely devastated for Ross. It is going to be a hard fight to claw back to a decent position from there.

I do agree that the roadbook thing has made it a bit more dangerous @Dwerg  , the attrition rate by day 3 is a clear indication of that. At the same time I think really brings a different dynamic to the race.
As far as I know the cautions etc are clearly marked/colour coded on the roadbooks though and the ertf system has audio warnings for cautions these days, I think a few meters ahead of the caution so you should hear it in time.

The rules and systems are the same for everyone , so it is equally good or bad for all and sundry
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 09:10:18 am
@Kortbroek  I agree with the route spotters although I am not sure removing that aspect will give a privateer a better chance anyway.

What I think about when I hear you can't study the book is that you can't do things like, triple caution, mark big red. Tricky nav section with multiple quick direction changes, mark focus. Open easier sections, mark go. CAP indications, write bigger so it's easier to read on the fly. Simple things, not WRC level simplification.

To me this puts the middle of the road guys at more of a disadvantage or in danger than anyone else.

But hey, that is me with close to zero exposure to it.

You just have to concentrate and ride slower if need be. 100% in the riders hands. In mining we say drive to the road conditions and that includes a RB. If you are not sure just take it easy. Of course its not easy to do in a race, but its very sweet when you navigate well past much faster riders because you take your time.

Having finished a stage really late once or twice in my time, I have had to do subsequent stages without reviewing the RB. It takes a little getting used to but after 10-15 tulips it really is no different even if there are no colours. A triple caution is still well marked in a RB and if you read it you will see it. We aren't seeing lots of guys crashing in the same place, so the RB is good, all crashes so far have been pure rider error/lack of concentration(too much concentration. I have gone off a road or two myself for this last reason. The challenge is reading a RB when the whole bike is bouncing it into a blur without fixating too much on it and hitting stuff. Very easily remedied by just taking a little longer sometimes. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:10:43 am
regarding the audio warnings for tripple cautions, see below. You get a audio warning at a 50m radius so I'm sure that helps a lot with the new roadbook system.

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-6_16-20-57-png.2071937/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 09:14:40 am
Shit man. Absolutely devastated for Ross. It is going to be a hard fight to claw back to a decent position from there.

I do agree that the roadbook thing has made it a bit more dangerous @Dwerg  , the attrition rate by day 3 is a clear indication of that. At the same time I think really brings a different dynamic to the race.
As far as I know the cautions etc are clearly marked/colour coded on the roadbooks though and the ertf system has audio warnings for cautions these days, I think a few meters ahead of the caution so you should hear it in time.

Yes you know about the Caution a few minutes before the time,  but cannot study it the night before and plan how you will ride it and I think that makes the difference.
You no longer have that safety blanket.

Mentally , this is a very different Dakar.
I hope not too difficult !
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 09:15:55 am
Ai! Sympathy for Ross! Hope he can still finish and confirm his skill and bravery to the world (and sponsors).

Could it be that the riders are pushing too hard in relatively unknown terrain, misjudging "smaller" dangers such as rocks? Day 3 and it is looking like there will be a lot of attrition.

Exactly. he had two great days, but after what 15-20hrs or more in the saddle over the past 60 or so, I would imagine its easy to make a mistake especially when you are on the sharp end. A little bit like golf, except instead of shitty shot you're flying off the bike. Have to pace oneself, and I think this is why we saw Toby really stressing these last two days. He was fighting his racing spirit and cooling the jets (relatively speaking).
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 07, 2020, 09:16:38 am
Brabec is probably Honda’s best chance at a win, he seems to be having a great start again this year. On a personal level I would like to see him win, but I am an unashamed KTM fanboy!!!

Brabec and Kevin Benavides are the best chances for Honda , with Brabec being my favorite  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:18:22 am
Ai! Sympathy for Ross! Hope he can still finish and confirm his skill and bravery to the world (and sponsors).

Could it be that the riders are pushing too hard in relatively unknown terrain, misjudging "smaller" dangers such as rocks? Day 3 and it is looking like there will be a lot of attrition.

Exactly. he had two great days, but after what 15-20hrs or more in the saddle over the past 60 or so, I would imagine its easy to make a mistake especially when you are on the sharp end. A little bit like golf, except instead of shitty shot you're flying off the bike. Have to pace oneself, and I think this is why we saw Toby really stressing these last two days. He was fighting his racing spirit and cooling the jets (relatively speaking).

That is the aspect that I am really enjoying this year. You can't just go flying through the stage now, you'll ride yourself out of the race. They really need to pace themselves and ride tactically while still maintaining a fast enough pace to be in the race.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 09:18:51 am
What is a DZS? :scratch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:25:06 am
What is a DZS? :scratch:

Safety Zone...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 09:25:51 am
@Kortbroek  I agree with the route spotters although I am not sure removing that aspect will give a privateer a better chance anyway.

What I think about when I hear you can't study the book is that you can't do things like, triple caution, mark big red. Tricky nav section with multiple quick direction changes, mark focus. Open easier sections, mark go. CAP indications, write bigger so it's easier to read on the fly. Simple things, not WRC level simplification.

To me this puts the middle of the road guys at more of a disadvantage or in danger than anyone else.

But hey, that is me with close to zero exposure to it.

You just have to concentrate and ride slower if need be. 100% in the riders hands. In mining we say drive to the road conditions and that includes a RB. If you are not sure just take it easy. Of course its not easy to do in a race, but its very sweet when you navigate well past much faster riders because you take your time.

Having finished a stage really late once or twice in my time, I have had to do subsequent stages without reviewing the RB. It takes a little getting used to but after 10-15 tulips it really is no different even if there are no colours. A triple caution is still well marked in a RB and if you read it you will see it. We aren't seeing lots of guys crashing in the same place, so the RB is good, all crashes so far have been pure rider error/lack of concentration(too much concentration. I have gone off a road or two myself for this last reason. The challenge is reading a RB when the whole bike is bouncing it into a blur without fixating too much on it and hitting stuff. Very easily remedied by just taking a little longer sometimes. :deal:

That depends on the pace you are riding at. If you back off a bit, sure, you can ride purely on the standard tulips. But if you are trying to push on, markings help reading tulips a glance and you mark the ones where more than a glance and a bit more focus is required. But again that's me and it differs for others
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:26:56 am
Taye is having a good ride again as well as Graeme. Solid pace. Here's to hoping no nav issues today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2020, 09:36:13 am
Taye is having a good ride again as well as Graeme. Solid pace. Here's to hoping no nav issues today.

That's a bit of an understatement - she's effing off at a rate of knots!  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: edgy on January 07, 2020, 09:46:27 am
I see Gonc was on a Hero, what engine they running btw?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:47:09 am
Honda just needs to not f*ck it up this year. Come on boys

Quote
10:37 Brabec leads the Honda clan
Ricky Brabec looks well set for stage victory. If he succeeds, success will be total for the HRC team which currently occupies the top 3 after 200 km of the special, with Kevin Benavides and Jose Ignacio Cornejo les than 3 minutes behind the American.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on January 07, 2020, 09:59:52 am
I see Martin FREINADEMETZ of Romaniacs fame is also doing the Dakar this year. That guy is one tough mother-son....  :thumleft:

(https://scontent.fjnb10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82123710_2816680878391201_3799033972156006400_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=7sCG2s5VYg4AQkyqa-OewACtBSO1Tai7XGP9AWWkluKyGsV7b4qX1KyTg&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb10-1.fna&oh=b47514b9df0c1a1f80fadb8bba82e258&oe=5E98F6D5)

"The Dakar’s move to South America made him want to come back and he accomplished his challenge of becoming the first Austrian to finish the Dakar on two different continents. So when the organisers announced that the rally was moving to Saudi Arabia… of course Freinademetz jumped on the opportunity. With the help of his long time sponsors, the now 50-year-old returns to the Dakar with that simple desire to finish and make history… again!"

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 10:04:08 am
FFS, looks like the honda's fucked up. At wp5 Brabec is 27min off the pace now with the other two honda's close behind. Shit.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2020, 10:10:45 am
Ross in at WP4 but still losing time.  :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 10:11:07 am
Brabec is probably Honda’s best chance at a win, he seems to be having a great start again this year. On a personal level I would like to see him win, but I am an unashamed KTM fanboy!!!

Brabec and Kevin Benavides are the best chances for Honda , with Brabec being my favorite  :thumleft:

I agree Braaipack has a good chance if he keeps it together - and the Honda stays together  ::) 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 10:12:41 am
I see Gonc was on a Hero, what engine they running btw?

Kymco (same as was used on the BMW Speedbrain 10 years ago).
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 10:14:04 am
Ross just needs to hang in there and get through the day now then he can do damage control after that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 10:14:55 am
FFS, looks like the honda's fucked up. At wp5 Brabec is 27min off the pace now with the other two honda's close behind. Shit.

Ok scrap that, looks like tracking was stuffing around. Still leading.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 10:23:46 am
Ross in at WP4 but still losing time.  :sip:

Ja 55m down at WP5 - I am guessing in great pain as well. Such a pity to have gooied it.  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 10:25:15 am
Adrien Van Beveren has suffered a severe fall after just 3 km of the day’s special.

He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

#Dakar2020

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2817699388289350&id=104027932989856&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=M5nueuXQ1mW2JpwB&d=n&vh=e
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 10:33:53 am
Where's Wally Walkner?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: AdventureBoy on January 07, 2020, 10:39:16 am
Does anyone know what has happened to Wessel Bosman? I do not see him on the tracking I am using.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2020, 10:42:25 am
Does anyone know what has happened to Wessel Bosman? I do not see him on the tracking I am using.
Out with broken ankle.  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 10:44:19 am
Adrien Van Beveren has suffered a severe fall after just 3 km of the day’s special.

He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

#Dakar2020

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2817699388289350&id=104027932989856&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=M5nueuXQ1mW2JpwB&d=n&vh=e

 Bloody hell that is massive crash.  :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 10:45:07 am
At this pace I wonder if Braaipak will overcook the Honda?  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on January 07, 2020, 10:47:49 am
Come on Ross!!!

Taye seems to be doing quite well, ahead of Kirsten Landman, Andrew Gregory and Ross.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 10:48:16 am
At this pace I wonder if Braaipak will overcook the Honda?  ::)

It is high time someone else than KTM wins a dakar  :xxbah:

But that said, the Honda's have a stupid bike issues in prev years so I hope the bike holds. Also as we've seen opening stages is brutal this year so going to be a tough day for Brabec tomorrow if he takes the stage. Probably better to win a stage or two early on in the event than later though.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 07, 2020, 10:50:39 am
AVB crash... wow
https://twitter.com/i/status/1214459150681411585
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 11:01:04 am
Walkner back on tracking around #5
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2020, 11:02:21 am
Just logged and read about Ross' fall. Just my common sense and little bit of experience tells me that if you didn't spend half an hour sorting something on the bike out because of the crash, but rather because of an injury, you are in real trouble. Otherwise you usually catch your wind, check if you shat your pants, dust yourself off and get going again, 5 minutes maybe.

My point is I am very concerned for him and hope we don't read this evening that he has withdrawn from the race due to injury.

On the other hand, maybe his team brought a gynae with that can get him on the mend.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:02:36 am
Walkner back on tracking around #5

Ja I saw something on advrider about his tracker having issues.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 11:12:54 am
Just logged and read about Ross' fall. Just my common sense and little bit of experience tells me that if you didn't spend half an hour sorting something on the bike out because of the crash, but rather because of an injury, you are in real trouble. Otherwise you usually catch your wind, check if you shat your pants, dust yourself off and get going again, 5 minutes maybe.

My point is I am very concerned for him and hope we don't read this evening that he has withdrawn from the race due to injury.

On the other hand, maybe his team brought a gynae with that can get him on the mend.

Had issues with RB and damage - needed his nav gear working if possible. Yes also in pain with bad shoulder but cleared by doctor at the refuel. Special Branch is no BB pussy - no gynae on call needed despite falling his kitty off. If he is still going he will keep going.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:15:12 am
Just logged and read about Ross' fall. Just my common sense and little bit of experience tells me that if you didn't spend half an hour sorting something on the bike out because of the crash, but rather because of an injury, you are in real trouble. Otherwise you usually catch your wind, check if you shat your pants, dust yourself off and get going again, 5 minutes maybe.

My point is I am very concerned for him and hope we don't read this evening that he has withdrawn from the race due to injury.

On the other hand, maybe his team brought a gynae with that can get him on the mend.

Had issues with RB and damage - needed his nav gear working if possible. Yes also in pain with bad shoulder but cleared by doctor at the refuel. Special Branch is no BB pussy - no gynae on call needed despite falling his kitty off. If he is still going he will keep going.

Ja with you there BiG Dom, if he can stand on his feet he'll keep riding  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 07, 2020, 11:17:41 am
Adrien Van Beveren has suffered a severe fall after just 3 km of the day’s special.

He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

#Dakar2020

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2817699388289350&id=104027932989856&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=M5nueuXQ1mW2JpwB&d=n&vh=e

 Bloody hell that is massive crash.  :eek7:

He crashed going into the shadows... That is k@k with dust as well....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 07, 2020, 11:18:50 am
Stage win for Brabec  :ricky: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 11:20:03 am
Adrien Van Beveren has suffered a severe fall after just 3 km of the day’s special.

He has not lost consciousness, but has been attended to by the medical team and transported by helicopter to the bivouac in Neom.

#Dakar2020

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2817699388289350&id=104027932989856&sfnsn=scwspmo&extid=M5nueuXQ1mW2JpwB&d=n&vh=e

 Bloody hell that is massive crash.  :eek7:

He crashed going into the shadows... That is k@k with dust as well....

Ja a kicker in the early morning shadows caught him
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2020, 11:27:56 am
11:58 End of the road for Harmsen
Olaf Harmsen will not finish his first Dakar, or the third stage. The Dutchman, who has experience in track racing, superbikes and motocross, has suffered a severe fall following a jump after 122 km of the special. The medical team have transported him to the bivouac.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:29:58 am
From advrider:
Quote
12:23 Branch: "I hit a rock"
Ross Branch suffered in this 3rd stage and arrived at the second neutralization 55 minutes late. 'I had a bit of bad luck and I fell at km 88. I came out a bit wide from a bend and there was this rock that I hit with the back. It ejected me and I was a little bit offended, but this is the race I imagine. We're just going to try to finish now. '

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214473388389027846
Interview with Ross
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 11:31:00 am
11:58 End of the road for Harmsen
Olaf Harmsen will not finish his first Dakar, or the third stage. The Dutchman, who has experience in track racing, superbikes and motocross, has suffered a severe fall following a jump after 122 km of the special. The medical team have transported him to the bivouac.

Was this not yesterday?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:32:43 am
11:58 End of the road for Harmsen
Olaf Harmsen will not finish his first Dakar, or the third stage. The Dutchman, who has experience in track racing, superbikes and motocross, has suffered a severe fall following a jump after 122 km of the special. The medical team have transported him to the bivouac.

Was this not yesterday?

No this was today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 07, 2020, 11:32:56 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

Dwerg, it comes pre-marked. You just need to adapt to their colours
I will be more concerned with the intermediate distances,  that is also where people differ a lot on how they mark it
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:33:30 am
Quote
12:23 Branch: “I hit a rock”
Ross Branch has suffered during this 3rd stage and has arrived at the second neutralised zone 55 minutes behind the stage leader. “I had a bit of bad luck and fell after 88 km. I took a bend a little too wide and there was a rock which I hit with my back wheel. It threw me off the bike and I’m feeling a little battered, but that’s just the race, I suppose. I’m just trying to finish the stage now”.

Shit happens. He has a great attitude about it, no throwing of his toys. Great guy  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2020, 11:33:45 am
Re: Adrien Van Beveren

That last tumble, did he end up smacking into a rock as well? It looked like it to me... eina bliksem!  :sad5:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 11:33:52 am
From advrider:
Quote
12:23 Branch: "I hit a rock"
Ross Branch suffered in this 3rd stage and arrived at the second neutralization 55 minutes late. 'I had a bit of bad luck and I fell at km 88. I came out a bit wide from a bend and there was this rock that I hit with the back. It ejected me and I was a little bit offended, but this is the race I imagine. We're just going to try to finish now. '

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214473388389027846
Interview with Ross

Shame does seem miffed  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 07, 2020, 11:37:20 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

Dwerg, it comes pre-marked. You just need to adapt to their colours
I will be more concerned with the intermediate distances,  that is also where people differ a lot on how they mark it

I hope the contenders knew of the new roadbook system beforehand.

Or at least they were told what color means what beforehand

Having to adjust to changes is one thing but a new color system as apposed to working with the same colors for years can by problematic
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:39:20 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

Dwerg, it comes pre-marked. You just need to adapt to their colours
I will be more concerned with the intermediate distances,  that is also where people differ a lot on how they mark it

I hope the contenders knew of the new roadbook system beforehand.

Or at least they were told what color means what beforehand

Having to adjust to changes is one thing but a new color system as apposed to working with the same colors for years can by problematic

This was announced months ago and I haven't seen anything of competitors complaining about the new system? They've all accepted it and moved on.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2020, 11:40:01 am
From advrider:
Quote
12:23 Branch: "I hit a rock"
Ross Branch suffered in this 3rd stage and arrived at the second neutralization 55 minutes late. 'I had a bit of bad luck and I fell at km 88. I came out a bit wide from a bend and there was this rock that I hit with the back. It ejected me and I was a little bit offended, but this is the race I imagine. We're just going to try to finish now. '

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214473388389027846
Interview with Ross

Shame does seem miffed  :-\

His entire body language and voice says he is in a great deal of pain. I am very concerned.  :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2020, 11:40:06 am
From advrider:
Quote
12:23 Branch: "I hit a rock"
Ross Branch suffered in this 3rd stage and arrived at the second neutralization 55 minutes late. 'I had a bit of bad luck and I fell at km 88. I came out a bit wide from a bend and there was this rock that I hit with the back. It ejected me and I was a little bit offended, but this is the race I imagine. We're just going to try to finish now. '

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214473388389027846
Interview with Ross

Shame does seem miffed  :-\
Shit, he doesn't sound happy!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 07, 2020, 11:40:46 am
Am I the only one that's a little bothered by this handing out the roadbook the morning of the stage? I would hate for someone to miss a big caution because they didn't have adequate time to mark their roadbook. The consequences could be severe for both rider and organisation

Dwerg, it comes pre-marked. You just need to adapt to their colours
I will be more concerned with the intermediate distances,  that is also where people differ a lot on how they mark it

I hope the contenders knew of the new roadbook system beforehand.

Or at least they were told what color means what beforehand

Having to adjust to changes is one thing but a new color system as apposed to working with the same colors for years can by problematic

This was announced months ago and I haven't seen anything of competitors complaining about the new system? They've all accepted it and moved on.

Hehe ok then I'm moving on also  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:42:18 am
I see Taye has dropped back a bit with Kirsten getting ahead. Wonder what happened
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on January 07, 2020, 11:57:45 am
From advrider:
Quote
12:23 Branch: "I hit a rock"
Ross Branch suffered in this 3rd stage and arrived at the second neutralization 55 minutes late. 'I had a bit of bad luck and I fell at km 88. I came out a bit wide from a bend and there was this rock that I hit with the back. It ejected me and I was a little bit offended, but this is the race I imagine. We're just going to try to finish now. '

https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214473388389027846
Interview with Ross

Shame does seem miffed  :-\

His entire body language and voice says he is in a great deal of pain. I am very concerned.  :(

Listening to that was just a little heart breaking. Don't know if the fact that you can't see his face contributes to the emotion- he normally manages to crack at least half a smile regardless of the situation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 12:31:44 pm
Well he is through the last WP - somewhere around 40th position it seems. Lost a full hour today. F@k  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 07, 2020, 12:35:38 pm
Well he is through the last WP - somewhere around 40th position it seems. Lost a full hour today. F@k  :-\
Not good at all , but at least he is still there
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 12:46:11 pm
Maybe a bit of a shakeup this year  :deal:

Quote
13:36 Price and De Soultrait get lost!
Toby Price and Xavier de Soultrait are currently lost 900 metres from the right track and are trying to find their way back. The Australian and Frenchman, who were in the top 4 on the special at the last check point, are losing precious time!

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 12:46:38 pm
13:33 Medical report on Adrien Van Beveren
After an initial examination at the bivouac in Neom, the French rider has a collar bone fracture and bruised hip. He has been taken to the King Khalid hospital in Tabuk for further examinations and medical care.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 12:47:09 pm
13:33 Medical report on Adrien Van Beveren
After an initial examination at the bivouac in Neom, the French rider has a collar bone fracture and bruised hip. He has been taken to the King Khalid hospital in Tabuk for further examinations and medical care.

Considering just how big that crash was he came off lightly
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 12:48:37 pm
Maybe a bit of a shakeup this year  :deal:

Quote
13:36 Price and De Soultrait get lost!
Toby Price and Xavier de Soultrait are currently lost 900 metres from the right track and are trying to find their way back. The Australian and Frenchman, who were in the top 4 on the special at the last check point, are losing precious time!


I think its a good thing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2020, 12:51:28 pm
Maybe a bit of a shakeup this year  :deal:

Quote
13:36 Price and De Soultrait get lost!
Toby Price and Xavier de Soultrait are currently lost 900 metres from the right track and are trying to find their way back. The Australian and Frenchman, who were in the top 4 on the special at the last check point, are losing precious time!


I think its a good thing.

I'm not completely upset either.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: edgy on January 07, 2020, 12:52:34 pm
Brilliant! :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 12:56:47 pm
Honda might take all the top 3 spots on this stage.... :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 07, 2020, 12:57:20 pm
So Price deliberately gets off the taps not to lead out and get lost... gets lost. This race has no friends.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 12:59:03 pm
So Price deliberately gets off the taps not to lead out and get lost... gets lost. This race has no friends.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

I suspect that we're going to see a lot of lost people when they hit the big dunes. It is by now very clear just what a big impact the new roadbook rules are having and I love it.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 12:59:11 pm
13:48 Brabec blows away the competition
Ricky Brabec has won the third special with a lead of almost 10 minutes over his team-mate Jose Ignacio Cornejo. The American has been in imperial form throughout the day and has taken the lead in the general standings, whilst Joan Barreda has made it a 1-2-3 for Honda, 13 minutes behind the stage winner.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 01:00:51 pm
13:48 Brabec blows away the competition
Ricky Brabec has won the third special with a lead of almost 10 minutes over his team-mate Jose Ignacio Cornejo. The American has been in imperial form throughout the day and has taken the lead in the general standings, whilst Joan Barreda has made it a 1-2-3 for Honda, 13 minutes behind the stage winner.

Excellent  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:01:00 pm
13:48 Brabec blows away the competition
Ricky Brabec has won the third special with a lead of almost 10 minutes over his team-mate Jose Ignacio Cornejo. The American has been in imperial form throughout the day and has taken the lead in the general standings, whilst Joan Barreda has made it a 1-2-3 for Honda, 13 minutes behind the stage winner.

Love it. Go HONDA!

BUT, it is early days yet and the big race is still coming. But I have a very slight hope that Honda takes it this year. Wouldn't that be lekker  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 01:02:08 pm
Honda 1-4 overall in fact.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:05:12 pm
Honda 1-4 overall in fact.

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

I love it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:11:33 pm
Toby Price and Sam Sunderland 35 and 38min off the pace now in ASS. Maybe a bit of a big strategic gap there by Toby  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 01:16:21 pm
Toby Price and Sam Sunderland 35 and 38min off the pace now in ASS. Maybe a bit of a big strategic gap there by Toby  :lol8:

Ja he got lost with Soultrain - nothing strategic about that gap  8)  Is 9th overall.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:18:21 pm
Toby Price and Sam Sunderland 35 and 38min off the pace now in ASS. Maybe a bit of a big strategic gap there by Toby  :lol8:

Ja he got lost with Soultrain - nothing strategic about that gap  8)  Is 9th overall.

No man, Toby is just giving Honda some space to f*ck it up  :pot:  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:29:09 pm
Apparently Ross is in  :ricky:

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-7_11-27-45-png.2072610/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 01:30:54 pm
Honda 1-4 overall in fact.

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

I love it.

Yes  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Maybe Mike Horn gave the Honda riders some of his mental coaching   :ricky:

LOL.But it's early days and I hope that this year they can sustain themselves and their machines to the end. :thumleft:

https://www.mikehorn.com/about-mike/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:32:43 pm
Honda 1-4 overall in fact.

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

I love it.

Yes  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Maybe Mike Horn gave the Honda riders some of his mental coaching   :ricky:

LOL.But it's early days and I hope that this year they can sustain themselves and their machines to the end. :thumleft:

https://www.mikehorn.com/about-mike/

That is the problem. The last few years Honda always starts off well then manages to just f*ck it all up spectacularly  :xxbah: Here's to hoping Brabec fixes that for them  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:39:13 pm
So Ross is 1h27min down today. That sucks but now he's got a different race to ride  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:43:24 pm
From advrider:

Quote
J. García Merino, the 50-something year-old fireman, one of the few Spanish riders in the Originals category this year, was trying to fix a roller-bearing engine problem in his Yamaha last night: "I don't know if I can keep going on. I've been trying to replace this bearing all night -- it will be two nights in a row without sleep for me, now-- but I'm not sure if I'll be able to."

Complete dissasembly (and re-assembly) of an engine overnight within the Originals Category and the guy is still smiling.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cL3BpLqWjas/XhRr4qpTSlI/AAAAAAAAG_s/xAxOlCUpNZcRdmWXP-ZpvcxXe_R-dxxLACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/81631334_2615648768713957_7627703270194020352_o.jpg)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/--1Ev4ACzsds/XhRr49-KgDI/AAAAAAAAG_w/U6ymcp5bL_4ZN8pg4xWogFZytzjqPVryQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/82910169_2615636965381804_9140140325187092480_o.jpg)

Unfortunately from the tracking site it looks like he didn't make it.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:53:54 pm
Sounds like some wp drama somewhere on the stage. Also sounds like Pablo Quintanilla stopped to help Ross Branch after his off so might be getting some time back.

https://netstorage.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/pablo-quintanilla-us.mp3

edit:
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“We had two refuellings today. Until the second refuelling, while there was some tricky navigation, I didn't make any mistakes, so I was riding very well, it was good with the times. But at the end there was one way-point that wasn’t where it should have been or they didn’t load it on the GPS, I’m not sure what happened, but about ten riders got together, went everywhere and didn’t find the way-point. But they said the images on the road-book were perfect. So we carried on ahead but the way point wasn’t there, but then we found the next way-point no problem. For sure, it was a mistake, but I don't know what they are going to do, if the times are going to be the same as the ones recorded when we arrived here, or stop the stage at one point before that, I don't know... I think that would be the fairest thing to do, but we'll see what they decide”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 01:59:38 pm
Taye and Kirsten seems to be trading places back and forth. Interesting battle happening there  :pot:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 07, 2020, 02:03:30 pm
Van Beveren’s crash looked knarly!! Looked like he slid for 50 m’s
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2020, 02:18:04 pm
Watch out for Barreda. I know he is a hothead (typical Catalunyan), but he is super fast and he is not opening the track tomorrow..
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 02:20:20 pm
Watch out for Barreda. I know he is a hothead (typical Catalunyan), but he is super fast and he is not opening the track tomorrow..

Ja but I'm just waiting for him to stub his toe again and then pull out because he chipped his nail or something  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2020, 02:27:29 pm
Apparently Ross is in  :ricky:

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-7_11-27-45-png.2072610/)
The man looks in pain

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2020, 02:38:12 pm
Watch out for Barreda. I know he is a hothead (typical Catalunyan), but he is super fast and he is not opening the track tomorrow..

Ja but I'm just waiting for him to stub his toe again and then pull out because he chipped his nail or something  >:D

Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 02:41:58 pm
Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with

Ja nee Hardy I'm sure he's a lekker guy, but his exit out of dakar last year wasn't that pretty in my opinion. Just for interest sake, compare it to someone like Goncalves who is now back in the race having waited 6 hours for a new engine. No chance at all even getting near the top10 especially considering he will get a massive penalty, but he's still going to finish the race  :deal:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2020, 02:45:42 pm
Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with

Ja nee Hardy I'm sure he's a lekker guy, but his exit out of dakar last year wasn't that pretty in my opinion. Just for interest sake, compare it to someone like Goncalves who is now back in the race having waited 6 hours for a new engine. No chance at all even getting near the top10 especially considering he will get a massive penalty, but he's still going to finish the race  :deal:
KB - I don”t think anyone wants to win Dakar more than this guy.  We only read what the press releases states. I do understand why you were dissapointed though. Good luck to all the riders in staying safe
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 02:48:44 pm
Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with

Ja nee Hardy I'm sure he's a lekker guy, but his exit out of dakar last year wasn't that pretty in my opinion. Just for interest sake, compare it to someone like Goncalves who is now back in the race having waited 6 hours for a new engine. No chance at all even getting near the top10 especially considering he will get a massive penalty, but he's still going to finish the race  :deal:
KB - I don”t think anyone wants to win Dakar more than this guy.  We only read what the press releases states. I do understand why you were dissapointed though. Good luck to all the riders in staying safe

Ja kyk in all fairness he is having a great race so far this year and he is incredibly fast so if he can hold it together he is a likely contender for the podium or at least a top 5 finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 03:00:39 pm
Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with

Ja nee Hardy I'm sure he's a lekker guy, but his exit out of dakar last year wasn't that pretty in my opinion. Just for interest sake, compare it to someone like Goncalves who is now back in the race having waited 6 hours for a new engine. No chance at all even getting near the top10 especially considering he will get a massive penalty, but he's still going to finish the race  :deal:

last year Joan Barreda rode down a ravine, he was stuck , there was no coming back up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 07, 2020, 03:03:04 pm
Thats not thrue boet. Anyway. I hope the all stay safe. Him and Cornejo are actually brilliat guys that myself and Kobus Myburgh got to spend time with

Ja nee Hardy I'm sure he's a lekker guy, but his exit out of dakar last year wasn't that pretty in my opinion. Just for interest sake, compare it to someone like Goncalves who is now back in the race having waited 6 hours for a new engine. No chance at all even getting near the top10 especially considering he will get a massive penalty, but he's still going to finish the race  :deal:

The thing is that none of us were doing the race , he was , along with others , and none of us sitting on the sidelines thousands of kilometers away know exactly what happened and what brought about his decision to withdraw from the event . I am sure if we sat down with him and discussed the event with him we would come back with a totally different opinion of him and also understand his reasoning behind his actions .
Anyway I don’t mind which of the Honda riders win  :thumleft:I I
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 03:03:58 pm
Sorry to quote myself  :peepwall: from last year's Dakar:


This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

Admittedly Sam turned that bike around like I would manhandle a toy duck in my bath, but he was certainly not stuck in a ravine.

Barreda : 62,4 % finish rate  ( 5/8  )  ( if incl 2019 then 55 %)

Sam Sunderland : 20 % finish rate ( 1/5 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Matthias Walkner : 50 % finish rate ( 2/4 )  ( not incl 2019 )

Pablo Q : 50 % finish rate ( 3/6 ) ( not incl 2019 )

" delete name " : 0 % finish rate: 0/0 ( not incl 2020)



Barreda's Dakar record is teemed with bad luck , mechanical problems and yes , not great navi skils and yes a tendency to overreach , but certainly not a bad record compared to say Sam Sunderland and Matthias Walkner or many others.:

2011 : DNF ? can't remember why ( I do remember him though ;)  )

2012: 11th place on Husky ;

2013 :17th place because/ despite losing 3 hours , faulty fuel pump of his Husky ;

2014 : 7th place as now factory rider for Honda : navigation errors as he was riding 1st a lot , also lost 2 1/2 hours due to mechanical problems ;

2015 : 17th place Honda ("Coma and his KTM 450 Rally took the overall lead in 2015 Dakar Rally after stage eight from Team HRC Honda’s Joan Barreda Bort – the man who led stages two through seven. Barreda and Coma were rivals throughout the opening stages, but Barreda suffered electronic issues aboard his Honda CRF 450 Rally in stage 8, which put him hours behind the new leader Coma .Coma also congratulated his two rivals Joan Barreda and Paolo Goncalves who he said were tough opponents. “The level was very high and this also makes the win very valuable.”"  and " In Dakar 2015, Barreda Bort was enjoying an overall lead of 13 minutes over Marc Coma who was then at second place, when he had a crash, but still stayed on top. What happened in stage 7 was nothing less than plain legendary - after a crash at kilometre 200, Barreda Bort broke the left side of his handlebar and then rode the bike for 120kms using only one hand."

2016 :DNF due to a combo of mechanical issues ( engine broke ) and fall ;

2017 5th place . Honda Bosses made a weirdly bad decision wrt Fuel stop ( fuel Gate) , so one hour penalty otherwise he would have had podium , possibly 1st place .

2018 DNF , ripped knee ligaments and very badly damaged wrist that had to be operated on , wrist was badly damaged before that Dakar and 2 bones out of the 4 had not healed properly ;

2019 DNF we don't know much but appears as the 1st rider at the time and in bad fog , he went down a ravine that was impossible to ride out from . Walkner followed him but being not so far down managed to turn around.

Barreda has the most stage wins of anyone else in the Dakar ,I think 22 not including 2019.
In fact he has the 6th most stage wins ever  , see below

   
Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14


I think Laia , being the only woman at the pointy end is luckier as she only really has to come in the first 30 to get sponsorship.
Not to take away from her brilliant ride craftmanship. But, the male factory riders have a lot more pressure to get podium and there is a huge pressure on them to ride fast and potentially make big errors/ falls.

 On the other end of the spectrum some riders are thrilled if they come in the first 140 riders  :biggrin: :ricky:

 :peepwall:
 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 03:12:09 pm
Apparently Ross is in  :ricky:

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The man looks in pain

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The body language says it all  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2020, 03:20:52 pm
Sorry to quote myself  :peepwall: from last year's Dakar:


This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

Admittedly Sam turned that bike around like I would manhandle a toy duck in my bath, but he was certainly not stuck in a ravine.

Barreda : 62,4 % finish rate  ( 5/8  )  ( if incl 2019 then 55 %)

Sam Sunderland : 20 % finish rate ( 1/5 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Matthias Walkner : 50 % finish rate ( 2/4 )  ( not incl 2019 )

Pablo Q : 50 % finish rate ( 3/6 ) ( not incl 2019 )

" delete name " : 0 % finish rate: 0/0 ( not incl 2020)



Barreda's Dakar record is teemed with bad luck , mechanical problems and yes , not great navi skils and yes a tendency to overreach , but certainly not a bad record compared to say Sam Sunderland and Matthias Walkner or many others.:

2011 : DNF ? can't remember why ( I do remember him though ;)  )

2012: 11th place on Husky ;

2013 :17th place because/ despite losing 3 hours , faulty fuel pump of his Husky ;

2014 : 7th place as now factory rider for Honda : navigation errors as he was riding 1st a lot , also lost 2 1/2 hours due to mechanical problems ;

2015 : 17th place Honda ("Coma and his KTM 450 Rally took the overall lead in 2015 Dakar Rally after stage eight from Team HRC Honda’s Joan Barreda Bort – the man who led stages two through seven. Barreda and Coma were rivals throughout the opening stages, but Barreda suffered electronic issues aboard his Honda CRF 450 Rally in stage 8, which put him hours behind the new leader Coma .Coma also congratulated his two rivals Joan Barreda and Paolo Goncalves who he said were tough opponents. “The level was very high and this also makes the win very valuable.”"  and " In Dakar 2015, Barreda Bort was enjoying an overall lead of 13 minutes over Marc Coma who was then at second place, when he had a crash, but still stayed on top. What happened in stage 7 was nothing less than plain legendary - after a crash at kilometre 200, Barreda Bort broke the left side of his handlebar and then rode the bike for 120kms using only one hand."

2016 :DNF due to a combo of mechanical issues ( engine broke ) and fall ;

2017 5th place . Honda Bosses made a weirdly bad decision wrt Fuel stop ( fuel Gate) , so one hour penalty otherwise he would have had podium , possibly 1st place .

2018 DNF , ripped knee ligaments and very badly damaged wrist that had to be operated on , wrist was badly damaged before that Dakar and 2 bones out of the 4 had not healed properly ;

2019 DNF we don't know much but appears as the 1st rider at the time and in bad fog , he went down a ravine that was impossible to ride out from . Walkner followed him but being not so far down managed to turn around.

Barreda has the most stage wins of anyone else in the Dakar ,I think 22 not including 2019.
In fact he has the 6th most stage wins ever  , see below

   
Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14


I think Laia , being the only woman at the pointy end is luckier as she only really has to come in the first 30 to get sponsorship.
Not to take away from her brilliant ride craftmanship. But, the male factory riders have a lot more pressure to get podium and there is a huge pressure on them to ride fast and potentially make big errors/ falls.

 On the other end of the spectrum some riders are thrilled if they come in the first 140 riders  :biggrin: :ricky:

 :peepwall:
Peterhansel what a legend, cant remember him crashing out once. The only two times he lost out on the win aboard the Yam XTZ was when his gearbox went and the one year Yamaha decided to boycot the race. All this on a 250kg bike with compared by todays standards crappy suspension  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:21:06 pm
 :lol8: @Rynet ok shots fired, I'll retreat  :peepwall:

As a peace offering here is Barreda on the gas  :thumleft:
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:23:41 pm
So it seems waypointgate might be about to kick off  :patch:

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:25:08 pm
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16:12 Bike race positions for stage 3 modified
Due to a technical problem that affected the GPS of the bikers, the race stewards have decided to modify the results recorded at the finishing line of the special. The results for the stage will be established using the times achieved at way-point 53, after 389 km of the initially planned route.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:27:19 pm
The body language says it all  :'(

I'm hoping that a lot of the lost pace is due to issues with the bike and navigation equipment more than injury. I'm sure we'll know soon enough.  :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 07, 2020, 03:29:21 pm
:lol8: @Rynet ok shots fired, I'll retreat  :peepwall:

As a peace offering here is Barreda on the gas  :thumleft:


hehe no shots.   :lol8:
But thanks for the pic Kortbroek  :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:31:59 pm
Toby Price
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Stage 3 - 12th 🏁
Overall Standings - 9th, 0:38:23 from the leader.
Today as a difficult day, in the early parts of the stage we were getting on pretty damn good but unfortunately, I made a few mistakes which really cost me. One of those mistakes was towards the end of the stage, where I had a hard time tracking down a specific WPC which was marked in a really tricky position 😡 not sure what the go is here? 🤔🤷🏻‍♂️ But all in all, it was a rough day and I’m glad to have Stage 3 behind me. Time to recharge and press on to Stage 4!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 07, 2020, 03:32:15 pm
Sorry to quote myself  :peepwall: from last year's Dakar:


This puts no perspective at all , as it was a different day and a different ravine.

Admittedly Sam turned that bike around like I would manhandle a toy duck in my bath, but he was certainly not stuck in a ravine.

Barreda : 62,4 % finish rate  ( 5/8  )  ( if incl 2019 then 55 %)

Sam Sunderland : 20 % finish rate ( 1/5 ) ( not incl 2019 )

Matthias Walkner : 50 % finish rate ( 2/4 )  ( not incl 2019 )

Pablo Q : 50 % finish rate ( 3/6 ) ( not incl 2019 )

" delete name " : 0 % finish rate: 0/0 ( not incl 2020)



Barreda's Dakar record is teemed with bad luck , mechanical problems and yes , not great navi skils and yes a tendency to overreach , but certainly not a bad record compared to say Sam Sunderland and Matthias Walkner or many others.:

2011 : DNF ? can't remember why ( I do remember him though ;)  )

2012: 11th place on Husky ;

2013 :17th place because/ despite losing 3 hours , faulty fuel pump of his Husky ;

2014 : 7th place as now factory rider for Honda : navigation errors as he was riding 1st a lot , also lost 2 1/2 hours due to mechanical problems ;

2015 : 17th place Honda ("Coma and his KTM 450 Rally took the overall lead in 2015 Dakar Rally after stage eight from Team HRC Honda’s Joan Barreda Bort – the man who led stages two through seven. Barreda and Coma were rivals throughout the opening stages, but Barreda suffered electronic issues aboard his Honda CRF 450 Rally in stage 8, which put him hours behind the new leader Coma .Coma also congratulated his two rivals Joan Barreda and Paolo Goncalves who he said were tough opponents. “The level was very high and this also makes the win very valuable.”"  and " In Dakar 2015, Barreda Bort was enjoying an overall lead of 13 minutes over Marc Coma who was then at second place, when he had a crash, but still stayed on top. What happened in stage 7 was nothing less than plain legendary - after a crash at kilometre 200, Barreda Bort broke the left side of his handlebar and then rode the bike for 120kms using only one hand."

2016 :DNF due to a combo of mechanical issues ( engine broke ) and fall ;

2017 5th place . Honda Bosses made a weirdly bad decision wrt Fuel stop ( fuel Gate) , so one hour penalty otherwise he would have had podium , possibly 1st place .

2018 DNF , ripped knee ligaments and very badly damaged wrist that had to be operated on , wrist was badly damaged before that Dakar and 2 bones out of the 4 had not healed properly ;

2019 DNF we don't know much but appears as the 1st rider at the time and in bad fog , he went down a ravine that was impossible to ride out from . Walkner followed him but being not so far down managed to turn around.

Barreda has the most stage wins of anyone else in the Dakar ,I think 22 not including 2019.
In fact he has the 6th most stage wins ever  , see below

   
Most stage wins
Rider   Wins
1   France Stéphane Peterhansel   33
2   France Cyril Despres   32
3   Spain Jordi Arcarons   27
4   France Hubert Auriol   24
     Spain Marc Coma  24
6   Spain Joan Barreda   22
7   Italy Alessandro De Petri   19
8   Italy Edi Orioli   17
     Belgium Gaston Rahier  17
10   France Richard Sainct   15
11   Italy Fabrizio Meoni   14


I think Laia , being the only woman at the pointy end is luckier as she only really has to come in the first 30 to get sponsorship.
Not to take away from her brilliant ride craftmanship. But, the male factory riders have a lot more pressure to get podium and there is a huge pressure on them to ride fast and potentially make big errors/ falls.

 On the other end of the spectrum some riders are thrilled if they come in the first 140 riders  :biggrin: :ricky:

 :peepwall:

Me thinks the lady doth protesteth too much  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:42:10 pm
So if I understand it correctly with the time correction they will use the times as indicated at WP5? That mean Ross is only 55min behind then which might help him at least finish in a decent position if he can keep going.

Edit: I see the adjustments are done with Ross now 1h07 behind for SS3.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 03:50:58 pm
So provisional standings for SS3 put:

Ross at #46
Taye at #69
Kirsten at #75
Graeme at #81
Stuart at #97

 :ricky:

Overall provisional standings:

Ross at #21
Taye at #75
Kirsten at #76    (very tight between Taye and Kirsten, I like it  :deal: )
Stuart at #87
Graeme at #88
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SteveD on January 07, 2020, 03:54:05 pm
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16:12 Bike race positions for stage 3 modified
Due to a technical problem that affected the GPS of the bikers, the race stewards have decided to modify the results recorded at the finishing line of the special. The results for the stage will be established using the times achieved at way-point 53, after 389 km of the initially planned route.

Hmm, gotta feel for the poor bastard that programmed the route. Imagine having the bosses of Honda, Yamaha, KTM and BMW (okay, maybe not BMW) leaning over you, pointing out that the f*&#*&^#ing waypoint was NOT WHERE YOU SAID IT WAS!!!!! And that YOU were to blame for their hairy smelly bikers losing time, and YOU had to fix it, RIGHT NOW!
Good call to move the finish to before where the issue was.

Remember we did the same at Amageza, after a small issues with a left turn at a gate that was actually a right turn, or something like that? A few people slept under the stars that night, AlexRG and Minxy if I remember correctly, and we ended the stage just before the gate. Good times.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 03:56:39 pm
Boy what a day! As usual the Dakar creates a huge upset on day 3.

I hope Special Branch tough's its out tonight and starts tomorrow. He does indeed look to be a little bit sore and his goggles on and head down at the refuel says a lot. Maybe his team have some of those really special tablets that no-one talks about... :deal: :laughing7:



Hardey: tell us more about JBB and his visit to you guys?

Rynet - Good recap! :thumleft:


Thanks everyone for the great posts & keeping us all updated. :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:


Just a quick note on site admin: Visitors can now see/follow the racing section without having to signup as members. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2020, 04:00:31 pm
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16:12 Bike race positions for stage 3 modified
Due to a technical problem that affected the GPS of the bikers, the race stewards have decided to modify the results recorded at the finishing line of the special. The results for the stage will be established using the times achieved at way-point 53, after 389 km of the initially planned route.

Hmm, gotta feel for the poor bastard that programmed the route. Imagine having the bosses of Honda, Yamaha, KTM and BMW (okay, maybe not BMW) leaning over you, pointing out that the f*&#*&^#ing waypoint was NOT WHERE YOU SAID IT WAS!!!!! And that YOU were to blame for their hairy smelly bikers losing time, and YOU had to fix it, RIGHT NOW!
Good call to move the finish to before where the issue was.

Remember we did the same at Amageza, after a small issues with a left turn at a gate that was actually a right turn, or something like that? A few people slept under the stars that night, AlexRG and Minxy if I remember correctly, and we ended the stage just before the gate. Good times.....

:waving: Steve: Bloody good to you see you, mate!

I love the way the ASO said it was a "problem with the GPS" :imaposer:
I think this the first time they have admitted a mistake.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 07, 2020, 04:00:56 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 07, 2020, 04:11:33 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:

Yep that has really helped team Katoom out :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 04:18:36 pm
https://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/TOPSY_TURVY_DAKAR.art14137?fbclid=IwAR0gooW3Cfmffb-Pu0k18fLKO_NhxzgtXUe1UcpxQlwDCkmHS-tz57QGgpY

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TOPSY TURVY DAKAR
by Motorsport Media - 7 Jan 2020 13:40:00
What   Dakar 2020 Day 3 Report
Where   Neom, Saudi Arabia
When   Tuesday 7 January 2020
Community   International

Now Sainz & Brabec pop up on top

Dakar 2020 bit hard on the third day's 427km loop around the future megacity of Neom as the race claimed several victims with top competitors exiting a race that continues to evolve seesaw-like through the Saudi Arabian Desert. It was however a good day for Carlos Sainz and Ricky Brabec, Mini and Honda, but not so good for most Southern African crews as Monday's car winners Giniel de Villiers struggled and bike winner Ross Branch was slowed after a crash.

Car Duel of the Champions
The car race proved a three-way dice between the Minis of Spanish double world rally champion Carlos Sainz, 13-time Dakar winner Stephane Peterhansel and 2019 winner Nasser Al Attiyah in his SA-built Toyota Hilux, with double world F1 champion teammate, Dakar rookie Fernando Alonso holding a watching brief in fourth. Behind them, Saudi home hero Yazeed Al Rajhi held off the Minis of countryman Yazeed Seaidan and Pole Jakub Przygonski’s Mini, but Peterhansel had issues to leave Sainz to take the day from Attiyah, Przygomski, Seaidan, a happy Alonso and Al Rajhi.

From a South African car point of view, Monday’s winner Giniel de Villiers came in ninth ahead of SA Hilux teammate Bernhard Ten Brinke and Frenchman Mattieu Serradori in his SA-built Corvette-powered Century buggy.  The two SA-built Red-Lined Nissan Navaras were enjoying decent runs on Tuesday, with TreasuryOne duo Hennie de Klerk and Johann Smalberger running 31st and Thomas Bell 46th. Overall, Sainz now provisionally leads Al Attiyah, Terranova, Al Rajhi, Peterhansel, Serradori and de Villiers, with de Klerk 34th and Bell 50th.

The day delivered another super-tight Side by Side duel, with the top six machines swapping positions throughout and all of them just over three seconds apart at the flag as the Can Ams of Spaniard Gerard Farres Guell, Russian Sergei Kariakin US lat Casey Currie, Spain’s Hinojo Lopez and American Austin Jones held off Zimbabwean Conrad Rautenbach's PH Zephyr for the win.

Honda Whitewash
In the bike race, it was a dream come true for Honda as the imperious Californian Ricky Brabec took control early on to lead all the way and win from teammates, Chile's Jose Ignacio Conrejo Flormino and Spaniard Joan Barreda ahead of Argentine brothers Luciano (KTM) and Kevin Benavides (Honda) after French Xavier de Soultrait (Yamaha) and Aussie Toby Price (KTM) lost their way later on to end up 9th and 11th. Overall, Brabec moved into the bike race lead ahead of Florimo, Barreda and Kevin Benavides in a Honda 1-2-3-4 ahead of KTM duo Matthias Walkner and Luciano Benavides.

Ross Branch started the day well, but took a tumble after running wide and striking a rock at the 88 kilometre mark to injure his shoulder. The Botswana multiple SA Cross Country champion however heroically picked it all up, dusted himself off and sorted his KTM out before struggling 350km on to the finish as climbing from 122nd to around 55th, while somehow hanging on to 20th overall. Not so lucky were Branch’s fellow top-12 runners on Monday — Portuguese Hero rider Paulo Goncalves was stuck in the desert and French Yamaha ace Adrien van Beveren, who tumbled out of the race.

The rest of the KTM-mounted Southern African bikers were having a good day with lady riders Taye Perry and Kirsten Landman running 71st and 77th at the time of writing, Zimbabwean Graeme Sharp 88th, all of them KTM-mounted and. Original class hero Stuart Gregory 100th. Veteran Wessel Bosman’s Dakar has come to an end after a fall — a fractured leg sees him join Honda rider Aaron Mare in retirement.

In the quads, Giovanni Enrico put one over former winner Ignacio Casale, Simon Vitse and Rafal Sonik, to leave Casale comfortably leading Sonik and Enrico overall, but the luckless Tomas Kubiena is out with a broken engine after a strong run. Andreai Karginov claimed Russian Kamaz glory with the day’s truck win as he held off Belarusian overall leader Sergei Viazovich (MAZ) and his Kamaz teammate Andrei Shibalov.

Unpredictable Results
Dakar 2020 is proving a tough nut on car and bike consistency — Monday’s overall bike winners Branch, Sam Sunderland and Pablo Quintanilla and car top two de Villiers and Orlando Terranova all lost time, while third placed Sheikh Al Qassimi rolled his Peugeot out of the race on Tuesday and it was a similar situation for Sunday’s leaders on Monday.

While Dakar 2020’s virgin territory certainly is a contributor to that uncertainty, tighter rules that now see competitors' road books handed out 15 minutes before the start, rather than the previous evening, prevent 'map men’ from using satellite imagery to influence pace notes.. How much that has levelled the Dakar playing field is unclear, but some usually seamless Dakar crews are experiencing unexpected issues this year. It seems consistency is set to have a significant influence on this year’s Dakar results, which could well include a few dark horses come the finish in ten days time…

Tuesday’s fourth Dakar Saudi Arabia stage sees a 427km run from Neom to Al-Ula. Can our Southern African earlier stage winners strike back?

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 04:36:35 pm
Taye Perry back in the bivouac
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Graeme Sharp
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I’m in! This was the start of what turned out to be a brutal stage. The rally gods today were against us but we live to fight another day....more details to come. 🚀💪🏻🇿🇼🏁 #mydakarsafari Photo: BAS dakar KTM racing team
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2020, 04:43:59 pm
Van Beveren took a big tumble on the Yammie, hurt his shoulder I think.


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 04:52:19 pm
Van Beveren took a big tumble on the Yammie, hurt his shoulder I think.

Apparently broken collarbone and bruised hip. He is very lucky it's not worse, that was a big crash and happened like 3km into the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2020, 04:56:56 pm
Is it just me not understanding properly or is the fastest truck on this stage for the timed section till WP6 only a minute slower than the fastest bike...  :eek7:

Total time fastest bike WP6: 2h52m46s
Total time fastest truck WP6: 2h53m23s

Same distance
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 05:01:52 pm
I wonder who Agent Orange is in the Org camp?  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 05:05:53 pm
Is it just me not understanding properly or is the fastest truck on this stage for the timed section till WP6 only a minute slower than the fastest bike...  :eek7:

Total time fastest bike WP6: 2h52m46s
Total time fastest truck WP6: 2h53m23s

Same distance

Some perspective  :deal:  . Those trucks fly



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2020, 05:06:47 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:
LIAR :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2020, 05:09:13 pm
Looks like Taye and Kirsten are very close to Mirjam Pol. If they overtake her, I think they'll be 2nd and 3rd amongst the ladies?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 07, 2020, 05:25:53 pm
Looks like Taye and Kirsten are very close to Mirjam Pol. If they overtake her, I think they'll be 2nd and 3rd amongst the ladies?

According to the official Dakar site, Taye and Kirsten are 2nd and 3rd in the overall classification with Mirjam Pol in 5th and  Sara Garcia 4th :dontknow:

EDIT: they are indeed 3rd and 4th overall.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sheepman on January 07, 2020, 05:32:59 pm
Saffers doing quite well, yet still plenty of racing to come  :laughing4: Bit worried about Ross, as he seems a bit shot coming in after finishing S 3 .Seems the mood is Honda vs KTM, with No. 1 plate ( and the quick big boy ) in the firing line....as it should be in racing  ;). The Honda boys must however not break their bikes again to keep the battle going to the end. But, we know very well the Dakar is a very tough endurance race and not a sprint race of some sorts.Barring major mechanical and accident issues, TP will be there when it matters most.     
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sláinte Mhaith on January 07, 2020, 06:06:42 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 07, 2020, 06:55:42 pm
EDIT: they are indeed 3rd and 4th overall.

2 minutes in it. 
74th Pol , 76th Perry and 77th Landman
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 06:55:45 pm
Apparently Giniel stoped and helped the Sheik when he rolled his Peugeot.
So might get some time back.

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2020, 06:57:22 pm
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157944446764813&id=771879812

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 07, 2020, 07:05:10 pm
A very nice video about Taye

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on January 07, 2020, 07:09:15 pm
A very nice video about Taye


Goosebumps.

Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 07, 2020, 08:02:52 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:

Yep that has really helped team Katoom out :thumleft:
It just seems in every Dakar when the organizers make some or other  "call", it will usually be to the benefit of team KTM!!  :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2020, 08:03:38 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:

Yep that has really helped team Katoom out :thumleft:
It just seems in every Dakar when the organizers make some or other  "call", it will usually be to the benefit of team KTM!!  :patch:

Surprise!  O0
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:11:27 pm
Toby “King” Pies is back to 11 mins from the leader. As a totally objective follower of the race I have no feelings about this whatsoever  :lol8:

Yep that has really helped team Katoom out :thumleft:
It just seems in every Dakar when the organizers make some or other  "call", it will usually be to the benefit of team KTM!!  :patch:

Surprise!  O0

Should I fetch my tinfoil hat?  :pot:  hehe but yes there does seem to be a trend...  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 07, 2020, 08:12:08 pm
A very nice video about Taye



All the people always complaining about seat height should watch this!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:14:08 pm
From Ross on FB:
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Stage 3 ✔️ - Had a big off at Km88 today. Destroyed my navigation tower and hurt my shoulder. Had to try and find my way for over 400km and just so happy to have managed to finish the stage. Big thank you to Pablo Quintanilla for helping me back to to my bike! Been cleared by the medics and thankful to be moving on to Stage 4 tomorrow! Not too sure on provisional results but somewhere between P40 and P50 and P20/P21 provisional overall. BAS dakar KTM racing team
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82114592_3577166715657260_986151467851186176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=PhHHHJK1oD8AQllfUcAD_vvDlnUoygFOroZcxy81shQArqL4Qxxpe0ehw&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt1-1.fna&oh=6986b2ae9780a1b4dc16918fbdb751b2&oe=5E9107C6)
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:41:34 pm
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
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Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2020, 08:49:03 pm
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
Quote
Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.

@ all those grumbling earlier about the road books.

Vat so!

I’ve raced on an unmarked road book and enjoyed it.

It’s a great leveler.

I think most roadbooks should be this way, with one or two days pre-prepared.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 08:50:48 pm
Goncalves is the MAN  :ricky:

From AdvRider  (The pics below were part of the post but not from this dakar...)
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If it's not burnt, nor buried,
It's in the ASS!
+06:36:08
(https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/sports/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20140110/002564bc674514398cfa01.jpg)
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wfDLztzCtJA/hqdefault.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENsTGdBUYAEsHD1?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Noneking on January 07, 2020, 08:58:03 pm
Van Beveren

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200107/05e5c93492f49a8f1d2774bb5daec91f.plist)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:00:31 pm
Van Beveren

That was massive crash. Shit man it just sucks.


Martin Michek, a dakar rookie having a blast  :ricky:
(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81356306_2738366249542511_9156109687903485952_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ohc=drExG5haIboAX9lzTK4&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&oh=d44f91f9192ad581ad6bcd1b5e319872&oe=5EB150B0)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:02:04 pm
Something I've picked up from facebook and especially over on ADVrider is the South African ladies are getting a lot of love and support from abroad, especially Taye. That is awesome  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:08:25 pm
Dakar daily from Redbull TV

https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-3-dakar-rally-2020
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:12:48 pm
A good day for Kirsten Landman

Quote
Thumbs up for a good day on the bike 👍
Stage 3 was really long but my favorite day so far. The riding was really cool and we rode through some amazing scenery.
All ready and prepped for stage 4. Over 600kms in total with another really long special stage.
Same goal - Smooth, safe, good navigation and consistent
(https://scontent.fcpt1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81362263_2660393350717562_8138441612595298304_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=uTASDnTihRYAQnCQWhMx4-CM5WlmbLUIx6wOu24WMoSyyGlcg7r8RLQ8A&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt1-1.fna&oh=6bd0ddd06478359d52c143d284b3e249&oe=5EA27F40)
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:22:44 pm
https://www.facebook.com/sadakargroup/videos/1344721975699072/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 09:27:00 pm
Dakar daily from Redbull TV

https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-3-dakar-rally-2020

F*ck Ross did not have a good time today. What a champ though  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2020, 09:48:54 pm
Watching Ross have a cry was absolutely 100% heart breaking -

Other than that an excellent day that was very interesting


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: chicco on January 07, 2020, 11:08:46 pm
Dont know if its been posted before.....I really hope these 2 ladies finish and finish well....

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2020, 11:51:59 pm
Taye Perry
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Stage 3 - Steady as she goes! Despite the cold, I was having loads of fun out on both the sandy and highly rocky terrains that changed constantly... canyons, mountains, plains, flats, river beds, out of this world... my navigation is better than ever, especially when I make passes and get into clear air... I had a few crashes today. Once clipping the wrong rock in a churned up sandy section. And again in a mountain pass where traction was zero and the sea of rocks just rolled everywhere... but crashing, too, can be a skill! Haha. And I like to think I control my situations well 😉
I’m also sneezing constantly, my voice is half gone and I can barely breath... since Friday. But the medics have given me some stuff, and when have I ever let being sick get in my way anyway?
I’m so excited for day 4!! Read and heard the briefing and I’m ready to swing my leg back over the Rally machine... today was steady and “clean” (-ish). Tomorrow I should get more me time, therefore more my own pace... are YOU ready?
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:39:01 am
New Results after Waypoint/ GPS -Gate

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/new-results-gps-problem-price/4634747/

By:
David Gruz
 Jan 7, 2020, 4:26 PM
Results in the bike category of Stage 3 of the Dakar Rally were altered due to a technical problem with the GPS system, with KTM duo Matthias Walkner and Toby Price the two biggest name to benefit from the decision.
The decision means the last 38 kilometres don't count and the stage ends at checkpoint #53, at the 389km mark.
There was confusion at the end of the stage for riders such as Price and Xavier De Soultrait as the duo got lost, which cost them a significant amount of time.
As Price explained, his problem stemmed from GPS showing a checkpoint in a wrong position.
"Right at the end there is a WPC [Control Waypoint, to which no directions are supplied by GPS] that was... it’s in the roadbook but not in the correct place," Price said. "So I spent a lot of time trying to find this and lost a lot of time there.
"Finally found it. But the WPC is not meant to have an open arrow [on the GPS]. And the arrow opened for it, and it was sitting basically on the top of a rocky mountain ridge. So I thought there might have been a road on the back side of it.
"So I tried to climb up and over and get to the other side and yeah, just a bit of chaos and carnage."
Ricky Brabec still won the stage from Jose Ignacio Cornejo but by only 5m56s instead of his original 9m39s gap.
Joan Barreda dropped from third to sixth but Kevin Benavides still completed an all-Honda top three on the day.
Meanwhile, Walkner and Price have moved up to fourth and fifth, as more than half of their original deficit was erased.
In the overall order, Brabec leads Kevin Benavides by 4m43s, with Walkner up to third followed by two more Hondas in Barreda and Cornejo.

Amended standings after Stage 3 (Bikes, top 10):
Pos.   Rider   Bike   Time/Gap
1     Ricky Brabec   Honda   10h39m04s
2     Kevin Benavides   Honda   4m43s
3     Matthias Walkner   KTM   6m02s
4     Joan Barreda   Honda   11m02s
5     Jose Ignacio Cornejo   Honda   11m19s
6     Toby Price   KTM   11m58s
7     Luciano Benavides   KTM   14m20s
8     Pablo Quintanilla   Husqvarna   15m40s
9     Sam Sunderland   KTM   17m10s
10     Xavier de Soultrait   Yamaha   19m55s

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:42:32 am
Inspiring Video of Ricky Brabec and really hope he and the rest of the Honda Team (esp Barreda  :love7: etc) keep it up

Ricky seemed completely unfazed about the New Roadbook saga - or GPS -gate.  :ricky:

https://youtu.be/ZIJg9qUFklk

( maybe someone clever can embed it)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:44:51 am
Paula Goncalves :  :notworthy:

From Facebook and Adv Rider :


"Now that's a real Hero. After spending close to 6 hours finding ways to fix his bike, Paulo Goncalves channeled true Dakar spirit and proceeded to ride through the unrelenting desert while it was pitch black. No superlative does justice to what he pulled off today." #StormTheSands #RaceTheLimits #Dakar2020

Paulo Gonçalves: "today was one of the hardest days of all my Dakar days so far. I had a new experience: swap an engine in the middle of the special, never done it before. It was a day that became very complicated. Yesterday I already arrived with a little problem but still believed that I could finish today with no major issues. But unfortunately, at km 30 the engine stopped and I had to wait for my assistance truck. I took the engine out, waited 5 1/2 hours for the truck, then installed the new engine, then a fuel line broke probably wrongly connected, I had to again disassemble the bike and repair it again. All together a day with lots of work. Now I finished the last 120 km in the night and it was quite complicated and dangerous. I've been very careful but, still, it was very hard. But it's OK, we're here"

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 06:45:55 am
Ross up and going but lots of pain

https://www.facebook.com/rossi.branch/videos/462908484600170/?t=8
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:47:48 am
Facebook:

Picture and message also from @Aimee Leigh Branch:

"We didn’t want to scare anyone earlier... but this was the damage to the bike and how ross rode for about 400km..."
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:51:55 am
Xavier de Soultrait:

I’m sad that Adrien has been forced to leave the race because he’s a great rider and we had a well-developed strategy, but difficult things always happen on the Dakar and we have to deal with the consequences. I rode a really great special and did a good job. However, after 350 km, I fell at about 15 kmph, but when I put my hands out to soften the fall I cut my arm. I had to cobble together a tourniquet to stop the bleeding. I’m afraid that the stitches are going to be painful, because I don’t like that sort of thing. I wanted to be in a good position each day and treat the first week as a way of placing myself for the second one. I’m still on target with that objective”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 06:54:19 am
Saudi Arabia is quite Beautiful  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 06:54:41 am
some pics of Ross-always with a smile

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:03:04 am
WIN IT OR BIN IT

I like this post on Adv Rider by Sparrowhawk :

" I think Troy nailed it earlier. Not so much with TP's status but that both the race and competitors have changed enough over the last few years that comparisons to the Coma & Despres era don't really stand up. During that era one would assume that one or the other would stand on the top step at the end. Nobody has that status these days. The change in who starts each stage makes a huge difference. No water carriers these days as a team strategy, every competitor is more on their own. There are so many top riders with lots of new faces coming on that no one or two come in with a sure thing. Plus, speeds and associated risks have risen over time. Each team and rider has to accept more risk in order to have a chance at the win. Win it or bin it seems to have been established as the current strategy. Riding with the big dogs takes its toll over shorter time than in the past because everybody is taking big crashes.

In my opinion there are a bunch of aliens in the race these days. Some like Toby, Matty, Ricky, Pablo, Sam, JBB, and Liai are all super human. There are others that we are just getting to know as they are entering their first or second race but will excel in a short time."


( not just because he mentions Joan Barreda  :peepwall:)
speaking of which ..

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JK on January 08, 2020, 07:04:55 am
Does anyone know the story here
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:14:44 am
Pablo Quintanilla

Mentioned by Ross Branch for helping him :

"Had a big off at Km88 today. Destroyed my navigation tower and hurt my shoulder. Had to try and find my way for over 400km and just so happy to have managed to finish the stage. Big thank you to Pablo Quintanilla for helping me back to to my bike! Been cleared by the medics and thankful to be moving on to Stage 4 tomorrow! Not too sure on provisional results but somewhere between P40 and P50 and P20/P21 provisional overall."

From Pablo's side Google/ Adv rider :

The 33-year-old Chilean commented on the tirade:-

"It was a really difficult step today. At an early stage I caught yesterday's winner, I think it's called Branch. It fell and I stayed with him a little until he recovered, it was a big fall. Then it went well until the second refueling, where the navigation was very nimble and in addition the bike began to lose oil from the front brake. It was tricky to ride like this. In the last part there was a waypoint that was not where it should be. We looked for a few minutes with other drivers but finally decided to continue. It was the hardest step for everyone and we will see what happens".
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:16:20 am
Adv Rider :
Stages with roadbook handed 25m before are 2, 3, 5, 6 10 and 11, always in sequence. 15m before for cars. And it seems they are printed at the spot with last minute alterations made.



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 08, 2020, 07:23:24 am
I hope the Honda riders maintain the good riding of yesterday  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: edgy on January 08, 2020, 07:26:33 am
Adv Rider :
Stages with roadbook handed 25m before are 2, 3, 5, 6 10 and 11, always in sequence. 15m before for cars. And it seems they are printed at the spot with last minute alterations made.



This appears to not be suited to the "pampered" KTM top boys :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:27:30 am
Laia Sanz emotional and sore after her hard fall on day 2 , but true to form , enduring. :3some:

She is just outside the Top 30 ( I think ) but I hope she will do her usual endurance under pressure and rise up    :thumleft:

Yesterday from Facebook:

Laia : "I’m happy to have arrived to the finish without any problems, even with a broken trip due to yesterday’s crash. My hip hurt less than expected today, but starting from the back because of yesterday’s position, I swallowed a lot of dust. I even stopped a few times on the fast tracks because I couldn’t see anything. The most important thing is that I didn’t lose as much time as I thought I would
-
Happy to have arrived with the bike at the end without problems, although with a trip broken by yesterday's fall. Today the hip made me less bad than I expected, but by the fact of going back for yesterday's position, it touched me to swallow a lot of dust. I even had to stop sometimes on quick tracks because I didn't see anything. The most important thing is that despite everything I haven't lost as much time"
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 07:28:51 am
kirsten getting ready and leaving-
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sardine on January 08, 2020, 07:38:13 am
Looks freezing there!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2020, 07:38:46 am
Great stuff guys, please keep it coming!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:41:42 am
So exciting , holding thumbs for all the South African, so proud of Kirsten and Tay and rooting also for Ross today  :ricky: :ricky:

Some more pics of gorgeous Saudi
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 08, 2020, 07:45:11 am
Showing the Human spirit  :3some:

and some barb wire, eish .....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 08:28:29 am
[08:18, 08/01/2020]  bikes @ WP2.. R. BRABEC, K. BENAVIDES & JI. CORNEJO FLORIMO Honda 1,2 & 3

[08:24, 08/01/2020]  🇧🇼#18 R. Branch P27 from P46 WP1 provisional
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 08, 2020, 08:45:42 am
So exciting , holding thumbs for all the South African, so proud of Kirsten and Tay and rooting also for Ross today  :ricky: :ricky:

Some more pics of gorgeous Saudi

Absolutely stunning , some of those rock formations are amazing
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 08:58:14 am
More Honne, this is going to be a cracker of a day.

Brabec is opening and even with that he's still leading the pace with Benavides right on his tail and Toby Price 28sec behind at wp2. That Honda must be flying  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 09:10:25 am
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STAGE 4 Wednesday, January 8, 2020
Neom ➡️Al-`Ula
672 km: 453 km Special / 219 km liason
On the agenda this day you will find equal parts sandy stretches and gravel sections, mostly on tracks. However, do not confuse speed with precipitation, as the arduous navigation will require some clear choices. History buffs will be keen to get their cameras out as they pass close to Nabatean temples.

Starting Order For Leg 4 (SAST)
Bib Drivers DSS
🇧🇼#18 R. Branch P46 07:44:30
🇿🇦#120 T. Perry P70 07:52:00
🇿🇦#100 S. Gregory P73 07:53:00
🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P77 07:54:00
🇿🇼#100 G. Sharp P83 07:56:00

🇿🇦#304 G. De Villiers P1 09:04:00
🇿🇦#354 H. De Klerk / 🇿🇦J. Smalberger P36 09:55:00

🇿🇼#404 C. Rautenbach P6 09:52:00
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 09:11:24 am
Looks like Ross is having a tough time. Wp2 and he's 6min off the pace.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 09:17:14 am
In car cam of Benedict Vanagas. @ 9:01 is the bit that Ross crashed in.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 09:21:59 am
One question I have watching his videos;

His car is geared for a top speed of just under 150kph in 6th. He's lying  8th overall and starting 15th so he's almost on par with the top boys. I thought the cars were faster than that? Do they have a legal limit over which they may not go?

The bikes surely are quicker than that?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 09:26:56 am
Just finished watching the Highlights of Stage 3.

What an emotional day for most of the riders.

Ross is 'n yster!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Ri on January 08, 2020, 09:29:10 am
A very nice video about Taye



All the people always complaining about seat height should watch this!

All the people always complaining about seat height can't ride like a little light blue demon ::) (by the way awesome kit, @Scrat )

How much do these bikes weight, once all the extras are fitted, like the nav tower, fuel tanks, water etc? Where can I check?

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 09:31:53 am
One question I have watching his videos;

His car is geared for a top speed of just under 150kph in 6th. He's lying  8th overall and starting 15th so he's almost on par with the top boys. I thought the cars were faster than that? Do they have a legal limit over which they may not go?

The bikes surely are quicker than that?

Ja I'd have thought the cars would max out somewhere in the 180-200kmh range?
Title: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2020, 09:36:23 am
Looks like Ross is having a tough time. Wp2 and he's 6min off the pace.

Sheesh considering his injuries thats not bad at all - he is only 2 minutes off guys like quintanillas pace at the second checkpoint.

Having finished a race after turning one of my fingers into a burst banana that “cut off” finger end of his must be throbbing like hell

Edit - he has also climbed 14 positions which means he has come through a bit of dust


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 09:37:12 am
On that video I posted, go look at

@14:34, he passes a bike. I think I'd shit myself and I'm in the comfort of my chair!  Holy shit that must be scary!

And @ 16:52....!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2020, 09:37:29 am
A very nice video about Taye

Wow, she doesn't ride, she flies that bike! Should be required to have a pilot's license.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 09:51:53 am
On that video I posted, go look at

@14:34, he passes a bike. I think I'd shit myself and I'm in the comfort of my chair!  Holy shit that must be scary!

And @ 16:52....!

I think these trucks must be even more terrifying when you're on a bike  :eek7:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 09:55:39 am
One question I have watching his videos;

His car is geared for a top speed of just under 150kph in 6th. He's lying  8th overall and starting 15th so he's almost on par with the top boys. I thought the cars were faster than that? Do they have a legal limit over which they may not go?

The bikes surely are quicker than that?

Ja I'd have thought the cars would max out somewhere in the 180-200kmh range?

Ok, just saw 172

So they are quicker
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2020, 10:03:16 am
I think these trucks must be even more terrifying when you're on a bike  :eek7:

I would be the one wearing the brown pants after that  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2020, 10:07:46 am
 of gorgeous Saudi

The organizers sure picked a great country to host the next five races. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 10:20:17 am
of gorgeous Saudi

The organizers sure picked a great country to host the next five races. :thumleft: :thumleft:

I fully agree. I think the terrain can make or break the Dakar as an event and clearly Saudi has the perfect mix of terrain especially as we know the big dunes are still coming.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 10:43:28 am
And in other news.... Joey lying 6th, just ahead of none other than Pal Aders Ullavasetter for goodness sake!

https://media.iritrack.com/eviewer/?ev=55494534ee44c1dbbf433ca1ce49f4da

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 10:46:34 am
And in other news.... Joey lying 6th, just ahead of none other than Pal Aders Ullavasetter for goodness sake!

https://media.iritrack.com/eviewer/?ev=55494534ee44c1dbbf433ca1ce49f4da

Go Joey  :thumleft:

Lyndon put together an awesome team for that event. I'm getting no work done between Dakar and AER.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 10:48:35 am
And in other news.... Joey lying 6th, just ahead of none other than Pal Aders Ullavasetter for goodness sake!

https://media.iritrack.com/eviewer/?ev=55494534ee44c1dbbf433ca1ce49f4da

Go Joey  :thumleft:

Lyndon put together an awesome team for that event. I'm getting no work done between Dakar and AER.

Same here... :lamer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 08, 2020, 10:48:57 am
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 08, 2020, 10:52:19 am
Stop hijacking the Dakar threads please.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 11:00:47 am
Brabec is doing super well with the new roadbook if you think that he's opening and he's still only 2m50 off the pace at wp3.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 11:17:38 am
Ross is clawing back positions today. Even if he is out of contention for a good finishing position (maybe), he might still be able to pull off another stage win later in the race.  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 11:19:25 am
11:49 Price bounces back
The winner of the opening stage is not going down without a fight. After struggling over the last two days, Toby Price is using his position at the front of the field to set a high pace and move into the lead after 243 km of racing. The KTM biker has 1'41' over Kevin Benavides and 1'55' over José Ignacio Cornejo.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 11:23:10 am
So something I noticed now is that Paulo Goncalves has been reseeded at 26 after his disaster yesterday. Been told over on AdvRider that this is because he is an elite rider. I wonder what say the dogs about this rule? Personally I think he should have been running at the rear of the pack and working his way back up.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 11:24:03 am
I see Ross  has reached WP3 14th on the stage so far. Go Ross :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 11:29:08 am
12:08 Barreda crashes
Joan Barreda has not been at his usual level since the start of the rally, and today continues this trend. After going through km 243 almost 5 minutes slower than Price, the Honda biker has just suffered a minor crash at km 270 and should therefore lose even more time at the next checkpoint.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2020, 11:46:43 am
Watching Ross have a cry was absolutely 100% heart breaking -

 :-\ Amper pik ek ook 'n traan.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2020, 11:47:55 am
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
Quote
Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.

@ all those grumbling earlier about the road books.

Vat so!

I’ve raced on an unmarked road book and enjoyed it.

It’s a great leveler.

I think most roadbooks should be this way, with one or two days pre-prepared.

It was pretty much just me doing the grumbling but ok point taken
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2020, 11:53:53 am
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
Quote
Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.

@ all those grumbling earlier about the road books.

Vat so!

I’ve raced on an unmarked road book and enjoyed it.

It’s a great leveler.

I think most roadbooks should be this way, with one or two days pre-prepared.

It was pretty much just me doing the grumbling but ok point taken

Actually, remember when I passed you and about 20 other riders including Riaan because I marked the shit out of that VS parallel tulip?

I’ll shut up about it now but we have our preferences
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 12:09:05 pm
Ross still not in at WP4. I hope everything is ok
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:12:25 pm
Ross still not in at WP4. I hope everything is ok

His real time position is a bit further back so I'm sure all is good.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 12:17:15 pm
I see Ross has now reached WP4 in 7th. He is having an excellent ride considering his crash of yesterday.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2020, 12:19:14 pm
I see Ross has now reached WP4 in 7th. He is having an excellent ride considering his crash of yesterday.

Dayhum, I guess he's over the worst.

EDIT: He's in fact the 3rd fastest so far in the WP3-WP4 section after Franco Caimi and Gonk!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 12:23:15 pm
I see Ross has now reached WP4 in 7th. He is having an excellent ride considering his crash of yesterday.


#18 R. Branch P7 From P14 @ WP4 Provisional
 Ross is only 03:54 behind the leader.
Ross Boss is flying... “What shoulder...?”

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:23:27 pm
From advrider:

Matthias (to Junior and Tobes):
"Hey guys... if we stare long and hard enough... maybe it'll develop an electrical problem..."   :imaposer:
(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/8acb9b2d-8b08-4b77-8578-361a5db117ef-jpeg.2073987/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Snafu on January 08, 2020, 12:23:54 pm
So something I noticed now is that Paulo Goncalves has been reseeded at 26 after his disaster yesterday. Been told over on AdvRider that this is because he is an elite rider. I wonder what say the dogs about this rule? Personally I think he should have been running at the rear of the pack and working his way back up.

This is normally for safety reasons. It happens in other sport, like rally, as well
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: I&horse on January 08, 2020, 12:29:05 pm
From advrider:

Matthias (to Junior and Tobes):
"Hey guys... if we stare long and hard enough... maybe it'll develop an electrical problem..."   :imaposer:
(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/8acb9b2d-8b08-4b77-8578-361a5db117ef-jpeg.2073987/)

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 12:29:45 pm
What makes his ride so much more impressive is that he started in 47th place.

WP1 - 39th
WP2 - 33rd
WP3 - 31st
WP4 - 25th

I'd bet he's got a bee in his bonnet. To ride like that he's got to be taking bigger risks than the front guys. They've got everything to lose, he's got nothing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:31:06 pm
What makes his ride so much more impressive is that he started in 47th place.

WP1 - 39th
WP2 - 33rd
WP3 - 31st
WP4 - 25th

I'd bet he's got a bee in his bonnet. To ride like that he's got to be taking bigger risks than the front guys. They've got everything to lose, he's got nothing.

I wonder what the terrain is like? Maybe he's able to do more following hence being able to up the pace?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:33:55 pm
Barreda just can't catch a break it seems  :peepwall:
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1214851666454990848
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2020, 12:34:20 pm
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
Quote
Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.

@ all those grumbling earlier about the road books.

Vat so!

I’ve raced on an unmarked road book and enjoyed it.

It’s a great leveler.

I think most roadbooks should be this way, with one or two days pre-prepared.

It was pretty much just me doing the grumbling but ok point taken

Actually, remember when I passed you and about 20 other riders including Riaan because I marked the shit out of that VS parallel tulip?

I’ll shut up about it now but we have our preferences

Maybe so, but I still beat your arse on my fat pig by 8 whole hours :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 12:40:44 pm
I see Ross has now reached WP4 in 7th. He is having an excellent ride considering his crash of yesterday.


#18 R. Branch P7 From P14 @ WP4 Provisional
 Ross is only 03:54 behind the leader.
Ross Boss is flying... “What shoulder...?”

 :thumleft:

What drugs?  O0
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:43:32 pm
Some more great footage from yesterday. Edit: Check the terrain from about 8m50  :o

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2020, 12:47:31 pm
What makes his ride so much more impressive is that he started in 47th place.

WP1 - 39th
WP2 - 33rd
WP3 - 31st
WP4 - 25th

I'd bet he's got a bee in his bonnet. To ride like that he's got to be taking bigger risks than the front guys. They've got everything to lose, he's got nothing.

WP5 he has pulled back more time he is only 3 seconds behind the 5th place guys. 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:51:04 pm
Long shot, but if Ross could make up at least 5min daily on the top 10 or 15 field he could still place very well  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: tulips on January 08, 2020, 12:54:44 pm
What makes his ride so much more impressive is that he started in 47th place.

WP1 - 39th
WP2 - 33rd
WP3 - 31st
WP4 - 25th

I'd bet he's got a bee in his bonnet. To ride like that he's got to be taking bigger risks than the front guys. They've got everything to lose, he's got nothing.

WP5 he has pulled back more time he is only 3 seconds behind the 5th place guys. 8)
He might be eating pain killers like smarties
That is a massive effort and reflection of charachter, i think they are typing up the contract offer no matter where he finishes
Ride safe Mr Branch Sir
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2020, 12:56:18 pm
What is clear is that with this new road book you want to avoid leading on strategic days.

You definitely want to follow and take it easy - if Ross rides smart he can definitely claw his way back in the next few days because I still think there are some more big offs coming

Damn I hope everyone stays safe
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 12:57:49 pm
What is clear is that with this new road book you want to avoid leading on strategic days.

You definitely want to follow and take it easy - if Ross rides smart he can definitely claw his way back in the next few days because I still think there are some more big offs coming

Damn I hope everyone stays safe

I think it would be a long shot for him to make it into top10, but I'm hoping he can get another stage win or dare I say even 2.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dwerg on January 08, 2020, 01:05:46 pm
A google translated interview with Brabec https://fr.motorsport.com/dakar/news/brabec-excellent-roadbook-motards/4634559/

Brabec: A roadbook that changes everything for bikers
Quote
Ultra-domineering during the third stage of the Dakar 2020 for bikers, Ricky Brabec was spectacular in his mastery and revealed that he had a lot of fun during the crossing of the day, which allowed him to impose a very significant gap on his competitors. Here he is leading the general, and delighted to debrief his beautiful day at the microphone of Motorsport.com.
What conclusions do you draw from this spectacular day?

The day was good. The course was really fast, with many, many stones. The navigation was also really tricky but I just did my best to stay focused and when it was tricky, I just slowed down and took the time to figure out which direction to take. The roadbook is really good. The information is really, really nice here. So I had a lot of fun today. The course is really cool, and it's one of my favorite riding styles with sand and stones; all at high speed! Going a little bit back today was good for me. I didn't have too much dust because the top 10 drivers were three minutes away. I started 12th and passed the 11th before the twentieth kilometer and then I was free throughout the day. So it was nice and easy to push. I'm on the block, you know, but tomorrow will be difficult and it is always difficult to lead the way with everyone behind. We will do our best to stay focused.

How has the roadbook evolved in quality compared to previous years?

I really appreciated receiving the roadbook in the morning. This gives us much more time to rest at the bivouac. It is also colorful and equal for everyone. I really like this roadbook. It's really well colored, as I said, and all the important information is different in color, it's super nice. We are in Saudi Arabia and this is a completely new country: it is epic, too. But it's great to be in a new place. There aren't many fans, not as many as in Latin America, but it's cool. When there are fans present, everyone wants to help you and there, we do not see thousands and thousands of people by the roadside. Just a few camels, a few people who drive and who don't even know that the race is taking place! It's really nice to be here. I wish we could receive the roadbook every morning, that would be really good.

Did you have any navigation problems today?

No no. I made a pair of mistakes today, little mistakes. But like I said, nothing serious, not things that cost 15 or 20 minutes. I made a pair of small mistakes at maybe 30 seconds. I slowed down a bit to decipher notes on which there was a lot of information. I just slowed down to make sure I was good because when I was new to the discipline, I was just going too fast and getting lost. Now, I check and have fun.

@ all those grumbling earlier about the road books.

Vat so!

I’ve raced on an unmarked road book and enjoyed it.

It’s a great leveler.

I think most roadbooks should be this way, with one or two days pre-prepared.

It was pretty much just me doing the grumbling but ok point taken

Actually, remember when I passed you and about 20 other riders including Riaan because I marked the shit out of that VS parallel tulip?

I’ll shut up about it now but we have our preferences

Maybe so, but I still beat your arse on my fat pig by 8 whole hours :biggrin:

S’true but for a good 10 minutes of the race, I felt like a bloody legend!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:13:02 pm
It looks like Xavier de Soultrait might be out? That cut on his arm is nasty. Maybe he's getting some medical assistance on the stage and will continue, will have to wait and see...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:14:28 pm
And there we have it:

Quote
14:11 De Soultrait gives up!
Xavier de Soultrait will not see the arrival of his seventh Dakar. Touched in the right wrist following a fall at the end of the stage yesterday, the Frenchman gritted his teeth as long as he could over the first 300 kilometers of the special but must finally give up continuing. A heavy blow for Yamaha which loses its two advanced pilots in two days.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 01:17:27 pm
And there we have it:

Quote
14:11 De Soultrait gives up!
Xavier de Soultrait will not see the arrival of his seventh Dakar. Touched in the right wrist following a fall at the end of the stage yesterday, the Frenchman gritted his teeth as long as he could over the first 300 kilometers of the special but must finally give up continuing. A heavy blow for Yamaha which loses its two advanced pilots in two days.

Yep, that was a nasty injury. He did well to hang in as long as he did. Big blow to Yamaha. They have worse luck than Honda...bikes last....riders dont
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 01:30:16 pm
Taye in at WP4. Closed the gap on M Pol. Down to 10 minutes. Kirsten should be through soon. Go girls :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SteveD on January 08, 2020, 01:39:25 pm
On my TODO list - learn to ride like a girl.
But I think I am being too ambitious.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rossdog on January 08, 2020, 01:43:23 pm
Ross is legend!!

In fact all Ross' are  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 01:44:27 pm
 13.31  🇿🇦#120 T. Perry P62 From P79 @ WP4 Provisional
[13:32, : 🇿🇼#100 G. Sharp P71 From P81 @ WP4 Provisional
[13:33,  🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P79 From P87 @ WP4 Provisional
[13:34,  🇿🇦#100 S. Gregory P89 From P99 @ WP4 Provisional

Magic' Alonso loses his charm
Fernando Alonso is showing none of the form that propelled him to fourth place yesterday. The former F1 driver is still hemorrhaging time and went through km 300 with a 15-minute deficit.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 01:50:38 pm
Hope its not a dumb question.

I presume the PKnumber on the live tracking is the waypoints?

If so, why did they skip PK400 (WP6)?

Or is the updating just lagging?

Because I see 4 guys are already finished according to the stats in ASS
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 01:51:08 pm
What is clear is that with this new road book you want to avoid leading on strategic days.

You definitely want to follow and take it easy - if Ross rides smart he can definitely claw his way back in the next few days because I still think there are some more big offs coming

Damn I hope everyone stays safe

I think it would be a long shot for him to make it into top10, but I'm hoping he can get another stage win or dare I say even 2.

Top 10 by no means out of reach.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 01:52:00 pm
It looks like Xavier de Soultrait might be out? That cut on his arm is nasty. Maybe he's getting some medical assistance on the stage and will continue, will have to wait and see...

Out.

That is a mean wound on ones throtte wrist - stitched it will be a reall fucker. Respect for giving it a try - no little BB sprain this.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:56:29 pm
What is clear is that with this new road book you want to avoid leading on strategic days.

You definitely want to follow and take it easy - if Ross rides smart he can definitely claw his way back in the next few days because I still think there are some more big offs coming

Damn I hope everyone stays safe

I think it would be a long shot for him to make it into top10, but I'm hoping he can get another stage win or dare I say even 2.

Top 10 by no means out of reach.

Idk hey, he's basically an 1h10 or so behind so to break into top 10 means making up about 40-45min on the field which is quite a lot if you ask me. Not impossible, but not easy.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:57:15 pm
It looks like Xavier de Soultrait might be out? That cut on his arm is nasty. Maybe he's getting some medical assistance on the stage and will continue, will have to wait and see...

Out.

That is a mean wound on ones throtte wrist - stitched it will be a reall fucker. Respect for giving it a try - no little BB sprain this.  :peepwall:

Ja that is just shit luck, but I can imagine how easy this happens on those rocks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:57:52 pm
Hope its not a dumb question.

I presume the PKnumber on the live tracking is the waypoints?

If so, why did they skip PK400 (WP6)?

Or is the updating just lagging?

Because I see 4 guys are already finished according to the stats in ASS

I'm guessing just an issue with the tracking system. Can't imagine it is another awol wpt haha
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 01:59:42 pm
Taye is having a awesome day. Into Wp5 only 7min behind Mirjam Pol
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 02:03:26 pm
It looks like Xavier de Soultrait might be out? That cut on his arm is nasty. Maybe he's getting some medical assistance on the stage and will continue, will have to wait and see...

Out.

That is a mean wound on ones throtte wrist - stitched it will be a reall fucker. Respect for giving it a try - no little BB sprain this.  :peepwall:

Could so easily have severed veins. ::)

Ja that is just shit luck, but I can imagine how easy this happens on those rocks.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 02:08:47 pm
Special Banch at #18 in standings. Only 30 minutes to catch Top 10.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 02:09:59 pm
Ross in the ASS. 4th  for  stage 4. What a boytjie :headbang:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 02:12:03 pm
Ross in the ASS. 4th  for  stage 4. What a boytjie :headbang:


[14:07, #18 R. Branch P4 From P7 @ ASS Provisional

[14:09, #18 R. Branch 01:06 behind the days provisional winner.- 8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 08, 2020, 02:12:54 pm
Ross in the ASS. 4th  for  stage 4. What a boytjie :headbang:

And only 1:06m behind Sam, way to go Boet !!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 08, 2020, 02:13:56 pm
Gonc also had a storming day today  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2020, 02:19:36 pm
Sometimes the Dakar organizers really get under my skin - Ross beats Gonc today but this is the news headline


15:04 Gonçalves and Caimi defy the odds to crack the top 5
No-one expected Paulo Gonçalves (Hero) and Franco Caimi (Yamaha) to finish in the top 5 today, yet here they are, just over two minutes behind the winner.

No mention of Ross - if you’re from Europe you get more coverage.

What does gonc want,  a medal for doing well with a new engine?? - try doing well with a few injuries!


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Crossed-up on January 08, 2020, 02:25:03 pm
Incredible and brave ride by Ross!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 02:27:20 pm
Ross in the ASS. 4th  for  stage 4. What a boytjie :headbang:

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

What a LEGEND
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2020, 02:27:58 pm
time differences
🇧🇼#18 R. Branch Stage 4
DSS - 46TH
WP1 - 27TH (04:09 DIFF TO LEADER)
WP2 - 21ST (06:27)
WP3 - 14TH (07:04)
WP4 - 7TH (03:54)
WP5 - 7TH (03:13)
ASS - 4TH (01:06)

Ross passing his dad- credit KB
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 08, 2020, 02:29:21 pm
Ross in the ASS. 4th  for  stage 4. What a boytjie :headbang:

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

What a LEGEND

Agree 100%
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2020, 02:29:55 pm
Sometimes the Dakar organizers really get under my skin - Ross beats Gonc today but this is the news headline


15:04 Gonçalves and Caimi defy the odds to crack the top 5
No-one expected Paulo Gonçalves (Hero) and Franco Caimi (Yamaha) to finish in the top 5 today, yet here they are, just over two minutes behind the winner.

No mention of Ross - if you’re from Europe you get more coverage.

What does gonc want,  a medal for doing well with a new engine?? - try doing well with a few injuries!

This. So much this.  :xxbah:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 02:31:45 pm
And in other news:

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🇿🇦🏁🔥OUR ONLY ORIGINAL LEFT STANDING Nuts 4 Dakar, STUART GREGORY is rock steady. Current provisional position:
🇿🇦#100 S. Gregory P87 From P93 @ WP5 Provisional
🇿🇦#100 S. Gregory P99 From P104 @ WP3 Provisional.
In the #mallemoto Class, at start of stage, Stu was in 14th position overall...brilliant effort. No assistance and smashing #Dakar2020!
(📷 F. Brandl)
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 02:43:05 pm
Very cool wheelie compilation featuring Ross among others

https://www.facebook.com/dakar/videos/3932764470082919/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 02:53:50 pm
Sometimes the Dakar organizers really get under my skin - Ross beats Gonc today but this is the news headline


15:04 Gonçalves and Caimi defy the odds to crack the top 5
No-one expected Paulo Gonçalves (Hero) and Franco Caimi (Yamaha) to finish in the top 5 today, yet here they are, just over two minutes behind the winner.

No mention of Ross - if you’re from Europe you get more coverage.

What does gonc want,  a medal for doing well with a new engine?? - try doing well with a few injuries!

This. So much this.  :xxbah:

 :ricky:

15:36 Branch comes in fourth
Starting dead last, Ross Branch produced a solid performance today, finishing just 1'06' shy of what could have been his second stage win.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Whyme on January 08, 2020, 02:58:49 pm
Well done Ross 8)

Times are very close today between top 10 ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2020, 03:02:42 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2020, 03:06:00 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?
I think navigation is a game changer this year, a big game changer. :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 03:11:14 pm
So provisional standings put Ross 18th overall at 1h05m48s and 10th is Skyler Howes at 34m28s so Ross might very well have a top 10 finish yet if he can keep it together and nail the Nav.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2020, 03:13:00 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?

I'm willing to put R100 down on Ross getting within top 10.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 03:17:19 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?
I think navigation is a game changer this year, a big game changer. :deal:

Huge curve ball yes!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2020, 03:18:34 pm
Sometimes the Dakar organizers really get under my skin - Ross beats Gonc today but this is the news headline


15:04 Gonçalves and Caimi defy the odds to crack the top 5
No-one expected Paulo Gonçalves (Hero) and Franco Caimi (Yamaha) to finish in the top 5 today, yet here they are, just over two minutes behind the winner.

No mention of Ross - if you’re from Europe you get more coverage.

What does gonc want,  a medal for doing well with a new engine?? - try doing well with a few injuries!

This. So much this.  :xxbah:

 :ricky:

15:36 Branch comes in fourth
Starting dead last, Ross Branch produced a solid performance today, finishing just 1'06' shy of what could have been his second stage win.


At the risk of sounding like I’m arguing my point Ross’s effort is a “solid performance” but Gonc “defies the odds” - where is my face palm emoji when I need it ?


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 03:21:09 pm
A few cool shots from SS4 today

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82078620_2820427951349827_7238522681342033920_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=l8csqmmzYXQAQmpys29DC10XPSzoSCuKPxXBU-D7MxLA3GY0NI0c72giA&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=eedd400a422ebe6cd185875a4f2a439b&oe=5EA17BD8)

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2020, 03:21:20 pm
Sometimes the Dakar organizers really get under my skin - Ross beats Gonc today but this is the news headline


15:04 Gonçalves and Caimi defy the odds to crack the top 5
No-one expected Paulo Gonçalves (Hero) and Franco Caimi (Yamaha) to finish in the top 5 today, yet here they are, just over two minutes behind the winner.

No mention of Ross - if you’re from Europe you get more coverage.

What does gonc want,  a medal for doing well with a new engine?? - try doing well with a few injuries!

This. So much this.  :xxbah:

 :ricky:

15:36 Branch comes in fourth
Starting dead last, Ross Branch produced a solid performance today, finishing just 1'06' shy of what could have been his second stage win.


At the risk of sounding like I’m arguing my point Ross’s effort is a “solid performance” but Gonc “defies the odds” - where is my face palm emoji when I need it ?


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Just wanted to show you at least there is coverage  :ricky:

Maybe not as glamorous as you would have wanted - where is my face palm emoji when I need it ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 03:32:16 pm
Awesome video of some behind the scenes bits
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 03:48:07 pm
Looks like Sam Sunderland got a 5min penalty which puts Ross in 3rd for the stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2020, 03:48:26 pm

[/quote]

Just wanted to show you at least there is coverage  :ricky:

Maybe not as glamorous as you would have wanted - where is my face palm emoji when I need it ?
[/quote]

LOL



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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2020, 03:50:03 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?

I don't think you're dreaming, honestly. I'm sensing great positives, he's running with the big dogs and despite the mistake he made yesterday that cost him severely I get the impression, from his own comments the day before and more, that he isn't pushing himself to the absolute limit to achieve this, i.e. he can maintain this sort of pace. He's clearly pretty decent if not better than most at navigation thus far as well.

And then onto your comment about the top boys making a mistake and losing time; there is a lot of racing left and I can't remember when last I've followed a Dakar without at the very least one f-up impacting several in the top of the rankings.

That doesn't make him immune to more misfortune of course, but if he keeps ticking over the way he has been for most the way, there are big things installed for this chap.

And then regarding the crash itself and the impact thereof imho: Today he has placed himself on a platform to do himself a tremendous favour. He is showing every sign that he is about to overcome the odds of a severe setback and push through it. That's where it is really at and the self confidence he will gain from that is invaluable. I realise full well he's not new at riding and that he may have done so before, perhaps even more than once, but he's not done that in this format, the biggest and toughest of them all. He'll do himself such a massive psychological favour which will be such an advantage for the rest of his Dakar career.

I can't help but feel he's standing on the precipice of greatness.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 04:05:26 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?

I don't think you're dreaming, honestly. I'm sensing great positives, he's running with the big dogs and despite the mistake he made yesterday that cost him severely I get the impression, from his own comments the day before and more, that he isn't pushing himself to the absolute limit to achieve this, i.e. he can maintain this sort of pace. He's clearly pretty decent if not better than most at navigation thus far as well.

And then onto your comment about the top boys making a mistake and losing time; there is a lot of racing left and I can't remember when last I've followed a Dakar without at the very least one f-up impacting several in the top of the rankings.

That doesn't make him immune to more misfortune of course, but if he keeps ticking over the way he has been for most the way, there are big things installed for this chap.

And then regarding the crash itself and the impact thereof imho: Today he has placed himself on a platform to do himself a tremendous favour. He is showing every sign that he is about to overcome the odds of a severe setback and push through it. That's where it is really at and the self confidence he will gain from that is invaluable. I realise full well he's not new at riding and that he may have done so before, perhaps even more than once, but he's not done that in this format, the biggest and toughest of them all. He'll do himself such a massive psychological favour which will be such an advantage for the rest of his Dakar career.

I can't help but feel he's standing on the precipice of greatness.

That is all good an well, but making up 40-45min on the top 10 is no small task. Personally I think the biggest achievement he can get out of this Dakar is placing close (or maaaaybe in) top 10 and racking up another 1 or 2 stage wins.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 08, 2020, 04:16:03 pm
There is still a lot more racing to be done.

I predict that we will probably see 5 of the current Top 20 riders retire before the end of this Dakar.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 04:30:34 pm
Taye Perry is in at #60 for the stage putting her at #66 in the overall, just two positions behind Mirjam Pol who is about 10min ahead of her.

Kirsten is in at #70 on stage putting her at #71 in the overall.

Stuart is in at #84 today putting him at #72 overall

Graeme is in at #67 putting him at #81 overall
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 08, 2020, 04:38:28 pm
With Sams penalty Ross is promoted to 3rd for the day.  A 1st and a 3rd is massive for him and SA racing in general.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: tulips on January 08, 2020, 04:39:27 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?

I don't think you're dreaming, honestly. I'm sensing great positives, he's running with the big dogs and despite the mistake he made yesterday that cost him severely I get the impression, from his own comments the day before and more, that he isn't pushing himself to the absolute limit to achieve this, i.e. he can maintain this sort of pace. He's clearly pretty decent if not better than most at navigation thus far as well.

And then onto your comment about the top boys making a mistake and losing time; there is a lot of racing left and I can't remember when last I've followed a Dakar without at the very least one f-up impacting several in the top of the rankings.

That doesn't make him immune to more misfortune of course, but if he keeps ticking over the way he has been for most the way, there are big things installed for this chap.

And then regarding the crash itself and the impact thereof imho: Today he has placed himself on a platform to do himself a tremendous favour. He is showing every sign that he is about to overcome the odds of a severe setback and push through it. That's where it is really at and the self confidence he will gain from that is invaluable. I realise full well he's not new at riding and that he may have done so before, perhaps even more than once, but he's not done that in this format, the biggest and toughest of them all. He'll do himself such a massive psychological favour which will be such an advantage for the rest of his Dakar career.

I can't help but feel he's standing on the precipice of greatness.
His Shoulder is going to be Flippen Eina p... s sore tonight. Hanging in till the Rest day will be the goal for now
There are no swearwords created yet  for if he falls on it again
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 04:41:35 pm
From facebook:  :biggrin:

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 04:46:20 pm
Toby Price:
Quote
Stage 4 - 6th!
Outright Standings - 4th, 0:12:09 from the leader.
Crazy amounts of different terrain and dusty conditions have made for another tough day, a real reminder that we’re at the Dakar Rally! As tough as today was I’m happy to have a consistent day with only a couple of little mistakes, we’re sticking to our plan and are in a great position with plenty more racing ahead of us! I just need to stay focused and stick to my guns, with navigation being so damn full on my brain is fried and actually makes me feel like I do have some brains up there 😣😂 but in all seriousness, we’re having fun and healthy for Stage 5!
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2020, 04:53:41 pm
So provisional standings put Ross 18th overall at 1h05m48s and 10th is Skyler Howes at 34m28s so Ross might very well have a top 10 finish yet if he can keep it together and nail the Nav.

What I said.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 04:56:39 pm
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:00:00 pm
Interview with Goncalves
https://www.facebook.com/HeroMotoSports/videos/2519756788300969/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:01:30 pm
Taye back in the bivouac

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:03:19 pm
From Roberts Racing Rallye on Facebook:
Quote
ROSS BRANCH...what a ride...certainly the ride of the stage and probably the 2020 DAKAR.
Ross had a huge crash yesterday, dislocated shoulder and injured finger, and no nav tower about 90km into the stage with still 400km+ to go...he finished the stage with that shoulder.
Started todays Stage in about 50th, and finished 3rd, only 1 minute behind the leader for the day.
A feat of unatural proportion, what an incredible vasbyt with that shoulder!!
ROSSI YOU BISCUIT!!!
ABSOLUTE RESPECT MY BOY!!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:05:54 pm
Cool pic of Kirsten on the stage today

(https://scontent.fcpt8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81430643_1078791312475542_2819089930343415808_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=b-uLH9nts7sAQkSRokZw0YK-gYcAx4NJuIm5ZAAA0jenGom0praFu3kGQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fcpt8-1.fna&oh=203e413504db488031d62521e57a733d&oe=5EA4B9E5)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:07:37 pm
Feedback from Ross
https://www.facebook.com/aimee.crewebrown/videos/10162757122825623/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:10:15 pm
Cool writeup from Motorsportmedia.co.za  https://www.motorsportmedia.co.za/A_DAKAR_SUPERHERO_IS_BORN.art14140?fbclid=IwAR0W3Z08uEXSb3IMkWYrKEGbfm2hTui8wg9w4tyNkselt_boPqJR3TNWrCs
Quote
A DAKAR SUPERHERO IS BORN
by Motorsport Media - 8 Jan 2020 16:00:00
What   Dakar 2020 Day 4 Report
Where   Al’Ula, Saudi Arabia
When   Wednesday 8 January 2020
Community   International

Ross Branch delivers a superhuman ride

Most people never knew who Ross Branch was before Monday afternoon, but that all changed when Botswana’s multiple South African cross country champion rode his KTM to a shock Dakar Saudi Arabia second day victory. Branch’s glory was short lived as the Kalahari Ferrari took a tumble, separating his shoulder, severing the tip of a finger and damaging his KTM enough to destroy its navigation tower, among the damage.

Undeterred, Ross got up with the help of rival Pablo Quintanilla who stopped to help, dusted himself off and rode his buckled machine the 350km home to the finish. Most would have written Branch off by then, but he’s a tough cookie and lined up 46th on Wednesday morning, claiming that he would 'ease into it'. Branch was however 26th by the first waypoint, 21st at the second, 14th and then seventh at the final timing point, before storming into the finish in an incredible third in what can only be described as a superhuman effort.

Multiple Bike Leaders
Privateer racer Branch was 1 minute and 6 seconds off provisional winner of the day, factory KTM rider Sam Sunderland and works Honda duo, Chilean Jose Ignacio Conrejo Flormino and Argentinian Kevin Benavides, but Sunderland was docked 5 minutes for speeding tp promote those three, as well as Portuguese rider Paulo Goncalves (Hero),  Californian Ricky Brabec (Honda) and 2019 winner, Aussie Toby Price up a position each.

Sunderland, Price, Brabec and Benavides all took chances to lead the way. Overall, Brabec leads Benavides and Florimo in a Honda bike 1-2-3 ahead of KTM men Price and Sunderland and Chilean Quintanilla (Husqvarna), while Branch moved up a few places to 18th.

From a Southern African point of view, South African KTM lady riders Taye Perry and Kirsten Landman were 60th and 70th, Zimbabwe’s Graeme Sharp (KTM) 67th and no assistance Original class man Stuart Gregory rode in 84th. Overall, Taye sits 66th, Kirsten 71st, Stu 72nd and Graeme 83rd. Most interestingly though, Taye Perry and Kirsten Landman are 3rd and 4th in the woman's race, both within 25 minutes of second placed Dutch lass Mirjam Pol.

Wednesday's 453km stage from Neom to Al-Ula was a busy one for the cars. Known as Mr. Dakar, 13-time winner, Frenchman Stephane Peterhansel overcame the challenges of taking English instructions from Portuguese notes man Paulo Fiuza and a tough couple of days in the office, to move his Mini buggy into the lead midway through the day’s stage. He then stormed to a powerful Day 4 win over 2019 Dakar winner Nasser Al Attiyah’s South African Gazoo Toyota Hilux and double world Rally and Dakar champion Carlos Sainz in another Mini buggy.

Local Saudi hero Yazeed Al Rajhi (Hilux) ended fourth on the day ahead of Frenchman Mattieu Serradori, who had run in the top ten for most of the day en route to fifth in his SA-built Century-Corvette buggy and SA hero Giniel de Villiers, who bounced back to sixth ahead of Dutch Gazoo Racing Toyota teammate Bernhard Ten Brinke. Mini men Pole Jakub Przygonski and Argentine Orlando Terranova were next up, with former double F1 world champion and Le Mans 24 winner Fernando Alonso provisionally tenth in the fourth factory Hilux.

Overall leader Sainz now holds a diminished 3-minute lead over Al Attiyah with Peterhansel now two positions up to third and nine minutes closer to his teammate. Al Rajhi is now fourth from Terranova, Serradori, de Villiers and Ten Brinke.

Red-Lined Adventurers
The two South African Red-Lined Nissan Navaras continued to deliver their gentleman drivers the ultimate adventure as Pretoria men Hennie de Klerk and Johan Smalberger were running 28th in their TreasuryOne version and Englishman Thomas Bell 48th in his Sabertooth machine. Not so happy was Zimbabwe’s Conrad Rautenbach, who had a troubled day with his PH Zephyr in the Side by Side class, where Chile’s Lopez Contardo fought Russian Sergei Kariakin and Spain’s Hinojo Lopes for the lead.

Frenchman Simon Vitse was in a surprise quad lead in a tight race with Chilean pair, overall leader Ignacio Casale and Giovanni Enrico and Argentine Manuel Andujar, while Russian Kamaz duo Andrei Karginov and Anton Shibalov were in a strong truck lead over Dutchman Jan van Kasteren’s Iveco after overall leader Sergei Viazovich (MAZ) had lost 10 minutes, at the time of writing.

Dakar moves into its fifth day sees crews taking in the sandy hills from Al’Ula to Ha’il on Thursday 9 January — will Ross Branch be a factor in the cars and can Giniel de Villiers make it another sensational Southern African double? Your daily Dakar Report is brought to you by Motorsport Media courtesy of TreasuryOne Motorsport and Red-Lined Motoring Adventures.
ENDS
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 08, 2020, 05:14:18 pm
From Roberts Racing Rallye on Facebook:
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ROSS BRANCH...what a ride...certainly the ride of the stage and probably the 2020 DAKAR.
Ross had a huge crash yesterday, dislocated shoulder and injured finger, and no nav tower about 90km into the stage with still 400km+ to go...he finished the stage with that shoulder.
Started todays Stage in about 50th, and finished 3rd, only 1 minute behind the leader for the day.
A feat of unatural proportion, what an incredible vasbyt with that shoulder!!
ROSSI YOU BISCUIT!!!
ABSOLUTE RESPECT MY BOY!!!!!

LOL this irritates the hell out of me. Starting 50th has no relevance or bearing to having the 4th fastest time for the day.     Sure he would need to pass a few slower riders during the day but this statement is pure marketing; playing on the difference of 50 to 4.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:18:23 pm
LOL this irritates the hell out of me. Starting 50th has no relevance or bearing to having the 4th fastest time for the day.     Sure he would need to pass a few slower riders during the day but this statement is pure marketing; playing on the difference of 50 to 4.

Ja sure. The Dakar media is prone to the same thing, in their blurb he had started "dead last"  :lol8:

But I'm really enjoying that the Southern African riders are drawing so much attention.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:22:51 pm
The wheelie compilation from earlier
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 05:30:17 pm
Does anyone know why Sunderland received the 5 min penalty?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 08, 2020, 05:31:59 pm
Does anyone know why Sunderland received the 5 min penalty?
Speeding
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 08, 2020, 05:33:53 pm
Does anyone know why Sunderland received the 5 min penalty?
Speeding

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 05:49:46 pm
This is funny as hell. Toby Price the Bivouac Barber  :imaposer:

https://www.facebook.com/SamSunderland83/videos/827825187678102/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 08, 2020, 07:06:07 pm
I have a good feeling about Ross. With those times, I think he is sorting out the boys on the navigation. There's an outside chance the whole front group get the navi wrong agains a few time in what is left in this rally and Ross could catch up that lost time.

I can dream, right?

I don't think you're dreaming, honestly. I'm sensing great positives, he's running with the big dogs and despite the mistake he made yesterday that cost him severely I get the impression, from his own comments the day before and more, that he isn't pushing himself to the absolute limit to achieve this, i.e. he can maintain this sort of pace. He's clearly pretty decent if not better than most at navigation thus far as well.

And then onto your comment about the top boys making a mistake and losing time; there is a lot of racing left and I can't remember when last I've followed a Dakar without at the very least one f-up impacting several in the top of the rankings.

That doesn't make him immune to more misfortune of course, but if he keeps ticking over the way he has been for most the way, there are big things installed for this chap.

And then regarding the crash itself and the impact thereof imho: Today he has placed himself on a platform to do himself a tremendous favour. He is showing every sign that he is about to overcome the odds of a severe setback and push through it. That's where it is really at and the self confidence he will gain from that is invaluable. I realise full well he's not new at riding and that he may have done so before, perhaps even more than once, but he's not done that in this format, the biggest and toughest of them all. He'll do himself such a massive psychological favour which will be such an advantage for the rest of his Dakar career.

I can't help but feel he's standing on the precipice of greatness.

Well said Dutchie! :hello2:

Go like the clappers you kalahari ferrari!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2020, 08:05:37 pm
Tonight's Red Bull daily video
https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-4-dakar-rally-2020
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Crossed-up on January 09, 2020, 07:21:23 am
Well Ross obviously means to win it, judging by his start this morning!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:21:39 am
Tonight's Red Bull daily video
https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-4-dakar-rally-2020

Thanks for your great updates Kortbroek,  :thumleft: :thumleft:  the new Saudi Dakar race time clash with my work hours.  :'(

Shewee , I'm so exicted for Honda, how many years we rooted for them and now they are shining
But anything can still happen. The KTM boys have a knack of enduring till the end.

On this video at about 4,50  I see Joan Barreda's teeny little fall.  :peepwall: He and bike seems ok and as he said:

"After the fall suffered in the first part of the special, we tried to save the day.

We have to be positive, the important thing is that despite everything we are of a piece here at the bivouac. We will try to recover well physically for tomorrow's stage."


Go Barreda , go Ricky, Kev and Flori , go Honda  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2020, 07:27:31 am
Well Ross obviously means to win it, judging by his start this morning!  :ricky:

Pin it to win it!  :ricky:  Ja he has the hammer down fosho.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:29:10 am
From Roberts Racing Rallye on Facebook:
Quote
ROSS BRANCH...what a ride...certainly the ride of the stage and probably the 2020 DAKAR.
Ross had a huge crash yesterday, dislocated shoulder and injured finger, and no nav tower about 90km into the stage with still 400km+ to go...he finished the stage with that shoulder.
Started todays Stage in about 50th, and finished 3rd, only 1 minute behind the leader for the day.
A feat of unatural proportion, what an incredible vasbyt with that shoulder!!
ROSSI YOU BISCUIT!!!
ABSOLUTE RESPECT MY BOY!!!!!

LOL this irritates the hell out of me. Starting 50th has no relevance or bearing to having the 4th fastest time for the day.     Sure he would need to pass a few slower riders during the day but this statement is pure marketing; playing on the difference of 50 to 4.

As I understand it , the Front 10 or so riders have a 3 minutes gap between start times so avoid the dust and the crush. Then it goes to 1 minute intervals and then to 30 secs and then they start 2 at a time so the further back you are the more dust, crush and wild tracks in the sand to contend with. You also have to overtake a lot of slower riders which is a lot harder ( and dangerous) then just chasing with the big boys at the front . I think to rise from the back of the field like Ross Branch did is pretty spectacular.  :notworthy:
I think that is why the Pro/ Elite riders always start in the top 30 no matter where they come in ranking for the previous day , like Paulo Gonsalves.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:30:44 am
Naughty Nasser  :biggrin:

https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/fernando-alonso-penalty-attiyah-sainz/4635459/

"Three-time Dakar Rally winner Nasser Al-Attiyah was handed a three-minute post-stage penalty on Tuesday’s competitive running, elevating Fernando Alonso to fourth place on the day.
Al-Attiyah was punished by the event’s commissioners around 20:00 local time on Tuesday. They ruled that he ‘disturbed’ Carlos Sainz for several kilometers after the second neutralized zone of today’s stage.
Sainz and co-driver Lucas Cruz released several audible warnings, according to the document of the stewards, and Al-Attiyah did not react to them.
That broke Article 26P.3 of the Dakar 2020 regulations, which states: “All vehicles caught by another must do whatever is necessary to pull over and allow themselves to be overtaken.
"
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:36:00 am
Matty words on his getting lost.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2020, 07:38:18 am
Carlos Sainz I wager was being his usual precious self: He was probably 500m behind Nasser pinging all the way because of the dust, so he ran to tell the PC he was "troubled" by the very nasty, naughty Nasser ;D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2020, 07:39:43 am
Its soooo lekker to see all the "fast" guys slowing down because of Navigation.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:40:31 am
Paulo Gonsalves is Hero.  :thumleft:
Not sure if anyone saw that video, the truck pretty much stopped, dropped the engine and Gonk stood in the middle of the desert changing the engine all by his lonesome self, this after a 5 1/2 hour wait. And then finish in with the trucks and the dust and the churned up tracks. Pretty cool . :3some:


Paulo : "Having crossed the finish line of the special around Neom in shivers, Paulo Gonçalves takes the time to guzzle down a cup of coffee before heading to the bivouac for a short but well-deserved rest. It is 8:30 pm and there are few stragglers left behind him. The Portuguese veteran's first start with Hero quickly took a turn for the worse. Despite having to change his engine after waiting for his support crew for over five hours, the former HRC old-timer refuses to go down without a fight.
"I left around 1:30 and after a few klicks I had another mechanical due to a fuel connection that I'd probably failed to fix properly. It was a tough day. Having to change an engine during a special comes as something new to me, but we're here to race, to attack. After all these efforts, what really matters now is to make it to the finish."


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:41:20 am
Carlos Sainz I wager was being his usual precious self: He was probably 500m behind Nasser pinging all the way because of the dust, so he ran to tell the PC he was "troubled" by the very nasty, naughty Nasser ;D

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:42:50 am
Its soooo lekker to see all the "fast" guys slowing down because of Navigation.

Agreed. I think the Roadbook is giving out a lot of headaches this year.  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:47:15 am
Toby with his long greasy hair reminds me of a pool hustler. He kinda lumbers in and looks like the happy-go-lucky dunce in class, but then he cleans up the table. :lol8:
 I think his best is still to come in the race. We will see.  :ricky:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 07:49:29 am
Saudi's Magix . So gorgeous :drif:.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 09, 2020, 08:04:03 am
Stunning pics Rynet!

early update
🇧🇼#18 R. Branch P1 From P3 @ WP1 Provisional +00:01:47
08:11 Short and Quintanilla almost side by side
Andrew Short and Pablo Quintanilla have got to grips with the stage with just a minute between them, meaning the two Husqvarna bikers could ride as a team, to make up for a beginning to the race that has not matched their hopes, especially for the American.
Stage 5 WP1 (Top 20 In)
P1 #002   M. WALKNER
P2 #016 L. BENAVIDES   +00:00:09
P3 #001 T. PRICE   +00:00:14
P4 #005   P. QUINTANILLA   +00:00:30
P5 #018   R. BRANCH   +00:00:33 8)

See my boys in blue are now scattered Rodney Faggoter 18th- eish that surname and Jamie Maccaney 32nd-.... one day

These kids and their cellphones :)- Graeme keeping us updated
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: McSack on January 09, 2020, 08:06:51 am
Saudi's Magix . So gorgeous :drif:.
  :thumleft:
Jeez. Reckon I would be quite happy to take a week through some of these bits that take the racers a couple of minutes(seconds?) to blast through
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XTZFegen on January 09, 2020, 08:24:12 am
So who are the current Top 5?

I'm struggling to keep up this year and I keep missing the updates on Supersport...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:27:08 am
Morning folks.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but there are some old taxi's taking part. That is epic  :headbang:
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82109270_2821172837942005_2045068572278915072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=wS3Vc9Elf1IAQnf3cQK6ISloV3n0gisguzUkHNFGvRdXbUzXqVZy3Xldg&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=24f1c647e713cda939e6d1aa5bec2d8d&oe=5E97CC73)

Today is the first proper sand I think so going to be interesting to see how it pans out.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:29:05 am
Today's stage

Quote
STAGE 5
In the sandy surroundings of the day, humongous rocks will serve as landmarks to avoid costly navigation mistakes! Less technical but just as impressive as dunes, gigantic sandy hills stand to attention in front of the drivers. The descents, occasionally scattered with desert grass, will require even more advanced driving skills.

(https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-png/5-moto/18804/0:0,1500:817-960-0-70/155c3)
(https://img.aso.fr/core_app/img-motorSports-dak-png/5-moto/18860/0:0,1500:709-960-0-70/1e2ee)

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dunnes on January 09, 2020, 08:33:28 am


Paulo Gonsalves is Hero.  :thumleft:
Not sure if anyone saw that video, [/i]

Rynet, care to share a link of that video?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:35:41 am
Not sure if anyone saw this yesterday, hardcore stuff. Makes me almost think of Joey's bike fix in the middle of the stage.

Quote
#53 MAIO
broken swingarm
broken subframe
broken handlebars
Quote
he’s very happy to have finished today’s stage, fell at km 30, unharmed but bike fubared, jury rigged the swingarm as best as he could and did 430 km like that, softly speaking to the bike hoping to hold on. Tomorrow he’s back at it.
https://www.facebook.com/brasilnodakar/videos/585097302067487/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2020, 08:45:07 am
Are the stages shorter than usual ? 300 odd is not that long for Dakar ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2020, 08:48:13 am
      Total | Special   Total | Special   Total | Special   
1   Sunday, january 5, 2020   Jeddah > Al Wajh   752 km | 319 km   STAGE 1
2   Monday, january 6, 2020   Al Wajh > Neom   393 km | 367 km   STAGE 2
3   Tuesday, january 7, 2020   Neom > Neom   504 km | 427 km   STAGE 3
4   Wednesday, january 8, 2020   Neom > Al-`Ula   672 km | 453 km   STAGE 4
5   Thursday, january 9, 2020   Al-`Ula > Ha'il   564 km | 353 km   STAGE 5
6   Friday, january 10, 2020   Ha'il > Riyadh   830 km | 477 km   STAGE 6
-   Saturday, january 11, 2020   Riyadh            REST 1
7   Sunday, january 12, 2020   Riyadh > Wadi Al Dawasir   741 km | 546 km   STAGE 7
8   Monday, january 13, 2020   Wadi Al Dawasir > Wadi Al Dawasir   716 km | 477 km   STAGE 8
9   Tuesday, january 14, 2020   Wadi Al Dawasir > Haradh   886 km | 410 km   STAGE 9
10   Wednesday, january 15, 2020   Haradh > Shubaytah   608 km | 534km   STAGE 10
11   Thursday, january 16, 2020   Shubaytah > Haradh   744 km | 379 km STAGE 11
12   Friday, january 17, 2020   Haradh > Qiddiya   447 km | 374 km   STAGE 12

Still some good mileage there
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Herkules on January 09, 2020, 08:55:48 am
Morning folks.

Not sure if anyone noticed, but there are some old taxi's taking part. That is epic  :headbang:
(https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82109270_2821172837942005_2045068572278915072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ohc=wS3Vc9Elf1IAQnf3cQK6ISloV3n0gisguzUkHNFGvRdXbUzXqVZy3Xldg&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=24f1c647e713cda939e6d1aa5bec2d8d&oe=5E97CC73)

Today is the first proper sand I think so going to be interesting to see how it pans out.

 :sip: Have you also seen the Borgward that's in the race?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 09:00:49 am
:sip: Have you also seen the Borgward that's in the race?

Are you referring to the one driven by Nani Roma?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRcMBE3m3Xn6sNBJOSrwBAPZL_d-Cwq4fImZBQ_3R1FGhR06ww9)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 09:07:22 am
Dammit, I'll have to focus more on work today and less on Dakar  :dousing:

Looking like Ross will have another great day. Navigation looks to be tricky with the 1st 3 on stage being off the pace a bit from Wp1 -Wp3.

Someone else procrastinate a bit and keep the updates rolling  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2020, 09:10:04 am
Are the stages shorter than usual ? 300 odd is not that long for Dakar ?

Liaisons also seem much shorter?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2020, 09:28:02 am


Paulo Gonsalves is Hero.  :thumleft:
Not sure if anyone saw that video, [/i]

Rynet, care to share a link of that video?

Yes please share that! Gonc is a boytjie!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2020, 09:56:24 am
Not sure what happened to Special Branch at last two WP's but seems back on track?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Pumbaa on January 09, 2020, 09:59:12 am
I must say, I really thought there would be more spectators. Seems to have lost a bit of gees from that point.

Still, some great riding and driving going on there.

Sent from my Moto G (4) using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 10:00:07 am


Paulo Gonsalves is Hero.  :thumleft:
Not sure if anyone saw that video, [/i]

Rynet, care to share a link of that video?

Yes please share that! Gonc is a boytjie!!

Will do tonight ,

Gonky is amazing, I have always had a soft spot for him (and Joan Barreda from when they were still team mates. ) :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 09, 2020, 10:01:59 am
Are the stages shorter than usual ? 300 odd is not that long for Dakar ?

Liaisons also seem much shorter?

Racing distance is around 5k km which is pretty typical. Total kms is around 7.5k which is less than usual. So less liaison, which I like
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Herkules on January 09, 2020, 10:07:16 am
:sip: Have you also seen the Borgward that's in the race?

Are you referring to the one driven by Nani Roma?
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcRcMBE3m3Xn6sNBJOSrwBAPZL_d-Cwq4fImZBQ_3R1FGhR06ww9)

 :sip: Yes, but what is it really?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:10:11 am
Not sure what happened to Special Branch at last two WP's but seems back on track?

Looking at the guys that were first out on the stage they were much slower than everyone else up to wp3 which to me says navigation is a bit tricky today. To Wp4 it looks like there might have been some guys overtaking Ross which I guess would help with the nav/pace combo.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:10:54 am
:sip: Yes, but what is it really?

No idea, haven't looked into it but saw it mentioned in the media a few days ago.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:12:13 am
Not sure what happened to Special Branch at last two WP's but seems back on track?

Looking at the guys that were first out on the stage they were much slower than everyone else up to wp3 which to me says navigation is a bit tricky today. To Wp4 it looks like there might have been some guys overtaking Ross which I guess would help with the nav/pace combo.

Both Brabec and Price has caught up to and overtaken Ross so he might try stick with them for the rest of the stage maybe?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2020, 10:13:10 am
Not sure what happened to Special Branch at last two WP's but seems back on track?

Looking at the guys that were first out on the stage they were much slower than everyone else up to wp3 which to me says navigation is a bit tricky today. To Wp4 it looks like there might have been some guys overtaking Ross which I guess would help with the nav/pace combo.

Both Brabec and Price has caught up to and overtaken Ross so he might try stick with them for the rest of the stage maybe?

I do hope we hear what happened between WP1 & 2 though, he lost 5 minutes there.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:14:36 am
In fact it looks like aside from Ignacio, the next 4 went through wp4 at the same time (Branch, Brabec, Price and Benavides)

@Dutchie  I suspect it was navigation as he was 3rd on stage and probably alone through the first 3 wpt's
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Herkules on January 09, 2020, 10:15:14 am
:sip: Yes, but what is it really?

No idea, haven't looked into it but saw it mentioned in the media a few days ago.

 Not bad looking though. grill like a Jaguar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2020, 10:17:33 am
:sip: Yes, but what is it really?

No idea, haven't looked into it but saw it mentioned in the media a few days ago.

 Not bad looking though. grill like a Jaguar.

Focus guys, focus - no time for fugly cages.  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:28:55 am
Focus guys, focus - no time for fugly cages.  >:D
:imaposer:
Dammit man I'm supposed to be working  :patch:

Things are really looking exiting today. I'm curious to see if those 4 riders stay close together from wp4 to wp5. It looks like Brabec was leading that pack at wp4 so if they hang together I think we're going to see a blistering pace.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2020, 10:30:08 am
Well Ross only lost 1 second over Price WP4 to 5 and Price is clearly on the gas.

Correction - he made a second on Price. Nee kyk, nou rokof hy!  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:32:11 am
SHIT MAN:

11:16 Sunderland falls and exits the race!
Another dramatic development on the Dakar 2020: after Adrien Van Beveren and Xavier de Soultrait, it is now Sam Sunderland’s turn to drop out of the rally following a severe fall after 187 km of the special. The Englishman, who won the Dakar in 2017, has injured his back and left shoulder.

(https://i.imgur.com/4DwewsU.jpg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:33:08 am
Well Ross only lost 1 second over Price WP4 to 5 and Price is clearly on the gas.

Correction - he made a second on Price. Nee kyk, nou rokof hy!  :ricky:

Lyk of hulle almal basies gelyk deurgaan so hulle ry saam. Ek dink die spoed in daai groep nou moet absoluut MAL wees  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2020, 10:37:13 am
SHIT MAN:

11:16 Sunderland falls and exits the race!
Another dramatic development on the Dakar 2020: after Adrien Van Beveren and Xavier de Soultrait, it is now Sam Sunderland’s turn to drop out of the rally following a severe fall after 187 km of the special. The Englishman, who won the Dakar in 2017, has injured his back and left shoulder.

(https://i.imgur.com/4DwewsU.jpg)

CRAZY!!!

This Saudi Dakar takes no prisoners  :o

Every day is a big unknown!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 09, 2020, 10:39:17 am
That is terrible news about Sunderland, I am quite a fan... but...

Let me the bastard to say it: Ping! 1 spot up the ranks for Ross. Sorry, but 'strue. :lamer:
Title: Dakar 2020
Post by: Chili Dog on January 09, 2020, 10:40:42 am
Following on the side here. Thanks for the updates guys


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:46:26 am
Look at that  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: King Louis on January 09, 2020, 10:51:01 am
A navigation question to our forum pro's....

My daughter reckons, I am a dinosaur when it comes to computers, and she's pretty much spot on. I get lost within SA WITH a gps......

But why on earth, in these days of everything being high tech and computerised, do they still use paper rolls for navigation???? WTF?

Having lived in Saudi for two years (based in Riyadh), I expect tricky bits and definitely confusion in the later parts of the Dakar, when the real desert begins. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:58:22 am
A navigation question to our forum pro's....

My daughter reckons, I am a dinosaur when it comes to computers, and she's pretty much spot on. I get lost within SA WITH a gps......

But why on earth, in these days of everything being high tech and computerised, do they still use paper rolls for navigation???? WTF?

Having lived in Saudi for two years (based in Riyadh), I expect tricky bits and definitely confusion in the later parts of the Dakar, when the real desert begins. Time will tell.

If you navigate by gps then you just follow the magenta line so no skill involved. In this case it is basically like doing an orienteering race, the navigation is part of the challenge.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 10:59:12 am
A navigation question to our forum pro's....

My daughter reckons, I am a dinosaur when it comes to computers, and she's pretty much spot on. I get lost within SA WITH a gps......

But why on earth, in these days of everything being high tech and computerised, do they still use paper rolls for navigation???? WTF?

Having lived in Saudi for two years (based in Riyadh), I expect tricky bits and definitely confusion in the later parts of the Dakar, when the real desert begins. Time will tell.

If you navigate by gps then you just follow the magenta line so no skill involved. In this case it is basically like doing an orienteering race, the navigation is part of the challenge.

Ah right you mean instead of digital? I think up to now reliability has been the challenge but apparently that is coming.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 09, 2020, 11:04:35 am
A navigation question to our forum pro's....

My daughter reckons, I am a dinosaur when it comes to computers, and she's pretty much spot on. I get lost within SA WITH a gps......

But why on earth, in these days of everything being high tech and computerised, do they still use paper rolls for navigation???? WTF?

Having lived in Saudi for two years (based in Riyadh), I expect tricky bits and definitely confusion in the later parts of the Dakar, when the real desert begins. Time will tell.

If you navigate by gps then you just follow the magenta line so no skill involved. In this case it is basically like doing an orienteering race, the navigation is part of the challenge.

Ah right you mean instead of digital? I think up to now reliability has been the challenge but apparently that is coming.

You can already get digital roadbooks from your app store..... I have one.....
Also, i seem to remember one of our WDs set up an Amageza bike with something similar for the CAPS headings a few years back, instead of the traditional Cap & distance readers.... Are these legal in the Dakar....?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: King Louis on January 09, 2020, 11:05:23 am
A navigation question to our forum pro's....

My daughter reckons, I am a dinosaur when it comes to computers, and she's pretty much spot on. I get lost within SA WITH a gps......

But why on earth, in these days of everything being high tech and computerised, do they still use paper rolls for navigation???? WTF?

Having lived in Saudi for two years (based in Riyadh), I expect tricky bits and definitely confusion in the later parts of the Dakar, when the real desert begins. Time will tell.

If you navigate by gps then you just follow the magenta line so no skill involved. In this case it is basically like doing an orienteering race, the navigation is part of the challenge.

Ah right you mean instead of digital? I think up to now reliability has been the challenge but apparently that is coming.
Correct! Thanks.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:06:59 am
You can already get digital roadbooks from your app store..... I have one.....
Also, i seem to remember one of our WDs set up an Amageza bike with something similar for the CAPS headings a few years back, instead of the traditional Cap & distance readers.... Are these legal in the Dakar....?

No you maybe only use the provided roadbook.

The thing with paper is though that if you crash and ruin the nav equipment you still have a piece of paper you can follow. That is where the digital kit struggles to get the right level of redundancy I think.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2020, 11:09:43 am
You can already get digital roadbooks from your app store..... I have one.....
Also, i seem to remember one of our WDs set up an Amageza bike with something similar for the CAPS headings a few years back, instead of the traditional Cap & distance readers.... Are these legal in the Dakar....?

No you maybe only use the provided roadbook.

The thing with paper is though that if you crash and ruin the nav equipment you still have a piece of paper you can follow. That is where the digital kit struggles to get the right level of redundancy I think.

Well, Toby's roadbook tore so paper also has its disadvantages.

But I like the paper roadbook idea.  Give's a real explorer feel to it all. 

GPS and electronic navigation is fine, but there is nothing like holding a paper map in your hands and trying to figure out where you are and where you are going  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:11:31 am
Well, Toby's roadbook tore so paper also has its disadvantages.

Sure but even so you still have access to the information even if it is inconvenient to use a ripped roadbook.
With digital if you break it you're f*cked (I think)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2020, 11:12:22 am
Well, Toby's roadbook tore so paper also has its disadvantages.

Sure but even so you still have access to the information even if it is inconvenient to use a ripped roadbook.
With digital if you break it you're f*cked (I think)

Yup probably.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 09, 2020, 11:16:47 am
Devastating news about Sam - I like the guy a lot.  Let's hope there are no more exits
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:17:37 am
And they're in. Looks like Ross will be 7th provisionally.

Further back Taye is running in 71st at Wp3 with Kirsten at 73.
Mirjam Pol is showing her class and experience against the ladies at #58 for wp3
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:17:59 am
Devastating news about Sam - I like the guy a lot.  Let's hope there are no more exits

Ja the terrain is really brutal this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 09, 2020, 11:19:28 am
Well, Toby's roadbook tore so paper also has its disadvantages.

Sure but even so you still have access to the information even if it is inconvenient to use a ripped roadbook.
With digital if you break it you're f*cked (I think)
And some stationary shops will close their doors when Dakar racers stop buying different color highlighters.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:22:50 am
Well, Toby's roadbook tore so paper also has its disadvantages.

Sure but even so you still have access to the information even if it is inconvenient to use a ripped roadbook.
With digital if you break it you're f*cked (I think)
And some stationary shops will close their doors when Dakar racer stop buying different color highlighters9

I doubt they buy that many, but maybe Penflex will lose a sponsorship opportunity  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:27:23 am
The racing is really good this year, but is it just me or does the short liaisons remove a bit of the endurance factor from the race? The days seem really short for the top guys.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2020, 11:36:07 am
All I want to know is a Honda still in first place ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:37:39 am
The racing is really good this year, but is it just me or does the short liaisons remove a bit of the endurance factor from the race? The days seem really short for the top guys.

So over on advrider my lack of thinking here was answered  :lol8:  :lamer:

Quote
Day is short because they are very good. Yesterday half bivouc arrived at nigth. In a competition with such a difference in levels, if they want the top ones to arrive at 5 pm, the rest will not arrive. And they don´t have an entry list of 200 bikes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Whyme on January 09, 2020, 11:38:12 am
The racing is really good this year, but is it just me or does the short liaisons remove a bit of the endurance factor from the race? The days seem really short for the top guys.

Was race not shorter last year than it is this year, in terms of Total KM covered? Thought I saw somewhere 5000KM and 7900KM this year?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:38:30 am
All I want to know is a Honda still in first place ?

In the overall? YES. 1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th - provisionally of course
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 09, 2020, 11:38:42 am
The racing is really good this year, but is it just me or does the short liaisons remove a bit of the endurance factor from the race? The days seem really short for the top guys.

I agree, the long liaisons, certainly used to mentally tire the competitors and I feel this is part of what makes the Dakar great
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:45:28 am
The racing is really good this year, but is it just me or does the short liaisons remove a bit of the endurance factor from the race? The days seem really short for the top guys.

I agree, the long liaisons, certainly used to mentally tire the competitors and I feel this is part of what makes the Dakar great

Yeah that added a lot.

But someone on advrider mentioned something else which is valid:
Quote
It's true... many of the competitors (especially moto's) mentioned repeatedly how mind numbingly tedious and fatiguing the long road section liasons on many of the South American stages were...
Personally I like the higher percentage of "racing" that this DAKAR is providing, and the relatively shorter transport/convivial bivouac conditions, seem to make for a more cohesive event... for competitors, support teams and media coverage alike.
Still very tough for the backmarkers though... but still nice - when finally one arrives out of a treacherous special... to NOT have to do a few hunder km's (or more) on a liason in the dark.
I think Castera/ASO has a good balance on this one so far in.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 11:50:18 am
Looking like Ross will be moving up to 14th overall - provisional.

On the stage at wp4 we have Taye in 73 and Kirsten at 74 with a minute in time between them (stage time, not local)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 09, 2020, 11:52:00 am
12:28 Price wins in Ha’il
Toby Price has won the 5th stage by 1’12 in front of Pablo Quintanilla, improving his position in the general standings. Andrew Short puts a second bike of the official Husqvarna team in the day’s top 3.

12:33 Brabec only 3 minutes behind
Ricky Brabec has ridden with control on the fifth stage to only concede 3 minutes to the day’s winner Toby Price, meaning he leads the Australian by 9 minutes in the general standings whilst Kevin Benavides has dropped back to 11 minutes behind.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2020, 11:53:47 am
My prediction Price will eat out about 3-4 mins everyday on Brabec and take the win again. Bort loosing time everyday, he may become despondent and decide to pull out. Might be his last year with Honda who knows.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 09, 2020, 11:55:28 am
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.
Hoping Taye can catch Pol on the next week.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 09, 2020, 12:33:34 pm

I agree, the long liaisons, certainly used to mentally tire the competitors and I feel this is part of what makes the Dakar great
[/quote]

Yeah that added a lot.

But someone on advrider mentioned something else which is valid:
Quote
It's true... many of the competitors (especially moto's) mentioned repeatedly how mind numbingly tedious and fatiguing the long road section liasons on many of the South American stages were...
Personally I like the higher percentage of "racing" that this DAKAR is providing, and the relatively shorter transport/convivial bivouac conditions, seem to make for a more cohesive event... for competitors, support teams and media coverage alike.
Still very tough for the backmarkers though... but still nice - when finally one arrives out of a treacherous special... to NOT have to do a few hunder km's (or more) on a liason in the dark.
I think Castera/ASO has a good balance on this one so far in.
[/quote]

That makes sense :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 12:36:36 pm
Ross doing some flying

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-9_10-25-44-png.2075491/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 09, 2020, 12:59:48 pm

I agree, the long liaisons, certainly used to mentally tire the competitors and I feel this is part of what makes the Dakar great

Yeah that added a lot.

But someone on advrider mentioned something else which is valid:
Quote
It's true... many of the competitors (especially moto's) mentioned repeatedly how mind numbingly tedious and fatiguing the long road section liasons on many of the South American stages were...
Personally I like the higher percentage of "racing" that this DAKAR is providing, and the relatively shorter transport/convivial bivouac conditions, seem to make for a more cohesive event... for competitors, support teams and media coverage alike.
Still very tough for the backmarkers though... but still nice - when finally one arrives out of a treacherous special... to NOT have to do a few hunder km's (or more) on a liason in the dark.
I think Castera/ASO has a good balance on this one so far in.
[/quote]

That makes sense :thumleft:
[/quote]

I remember one stage a few years back where the liason was more than 700 kms and the SS only 100-something kms. Thought it was a bit ridiculous at the time
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 01:00:48 pm
It looks like Taye is having a tough day out there today, Kirsten on the other hand seems to be doing very well. She's overtaken Taye on the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 09, 2020, 01:03:32 pm
Taye has a 10 minute lead over Kirsten overall, seems to be 5 minutes behind on this stage right now. Still leading this little battle.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 09, 2020, 01:10:19 pm
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.

Yes!  I think come the rest day, Rossi will be able to relax with a cold beer and enjoy being in the top 10...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 09, 2020, 01:21:05 pm
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.

Yes!  I think come the rest day, Rossi will be able to relax with a cold beer and enjoy being in the top 10...
:imaposer:   :imaposer:   :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2020, 01:26:35 pm
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.

Yes!  I think come the rest day, Rossi will be able to relax with a cold beer and enjoy being in the top 10...
:imaposer:   :imaposer:   :imaposer:

I'm sure they have ice in the desert  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 09, 2020, 01:37:01 pm
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.

Yes!  I think come the rest day, Rossi will be able to relax with a cold beer and enjoy being in the top 10...
:imaposer:   :imaposer:   :imaposer:

I'm sure they have ice in the desert  :biggrin:

The ice is not the problem, getting a beer might be more difficult seeing as they are in Saudi...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 09, 2020, 01:37:42 pm
I am loving the dice between Taye and Kirsten, long may it continue
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 09, 2020, 01:44:26 pm
Ross moves to 14th and more importantly only 16 minutes off 10th place.

Yes!  I think come the rest day, Rossi will be able to relax with a cold beer and enjoy being in the top 10...
:imaposer:   :imaposer:   :imaposer:

I'm sure they have ice in the desert  :biggrin:

The ice is not the problem, getting a beer might be more difficult seeing as they are in Saudi...

Aaahh, yes of course
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 09, 2020, 02:50:08 pm
What has always made the Dakar so incredibly hard is the liaisons which are mostly speed controlled, monotonous rides. Imagine riding for 4-7 hours before racing, or racing for 5 hours and then having to hang that throttle hand for a similar amount of time afterwards. Its wearing on the body and mind and it makes for very long days (and nights) if there is a delay for anything.

In this respect the Dakar has become a lot easier in the last 3 years, because the liaisons have been shorter overall. In the older days the Dakar used to 8-11,000 km in total. We can see the difference in that the Gonk can change an engine in the field and still be in the bivouac by 8:30 pm. Had it been a Dakar stage he would have been in the bivvy at between midnight and 6 in the morning the next day!

Shorter days means more rest time and for the top guys they have as much as 12-16 hours to recover each day. We are not reading too many stories where riders are getting in late. Indeed we are seeing normal riders getting in regularly before it gets dark. This takes off a tremendous amount of pressure. I am not following closely this year, but have we heard of anyone who has missed the the start the next day? I doubt it. Just a few years ago we had quite a few.



I remember one stage a few years back where the liason was more than 700 kms and the SS only 100-something kms. Thought it was a bit ridiculous at the time

It is a bit nuts but its what made the Dakar. They were on the way from Buenos Aires to finish on the other side of the continent and sometimes there is no way around the distances to be covered (Like there is nothing to race really anywhere near BA). Do you remember the 1000km+ stages that sometimes happened in Africa? Back then many stages were 800-950km with at least 50% being liaison, often with a border crossing as well.

I think this was also because in those days the race was actually going to a destination, like Dakar or Cape Town. I think we have lost a lot with these modern "loop" stages which seem to me more  like some kind of huge off road event.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: sidetrack on January 09, 2020, 03:06:24 pm
What has always made the Dakar so incredibly hard is the liaisons which are mostly speed controlled, monotonous rides. Imagine riding for 4-7 hours before racing, or racing for 5 hours and then having to hang that throttle hand for a similar amount of time afterwards. Its wearing on the body and mind and it makes for very long days (and nights) if there is a delay for anything.

In this respect the Dakar has become a lot easier in the last 3 years, because the liaisons have been shorter overall. In the older days the Dakar used to 8-11,000 km in total. We can see the difference in that the Gonk can change an engine in the field and still be in the bivouac by 8:30 pm. Had it been a Dakar stage he would have been in the bivvy at between midnight and 6 in the morning the next day!

Shorter days means more rest time and for the top guys they have as much as 12-16 hours to recover each day. We are not reading too many stories where riders are getting in late. Indeed we are seeing normal riders getting in regularly before it gets dark. This takes off a tremendous amount of pressure. I am not following closely this year, but have we heard of anyone who has missed the the start the next day? I doubt it. Just a few years ago we had quite a few.



I remember one stage a few years back where the liason was more than 700 kms and the SS only 100-something kms. Thought it was a bit ridiculous at the time

It is a bit nuts but its what made the Dakar. They were on the way from Buenos Aires to finish on the other side of the continent and sometimes there is no way around the distances to be covered (Like there is nothing to race really anywhere near BA). Do you remember the 1000km+ stages that sometimes happened in Africa? Back then many stages were 800-950km with at least 50% being liaison, often with a border crossing as well.

I think this was also because in those days the race was actually going to a destination, like Dakar or Cape Town. I think we have lost a lot with these modern "loop" stages which seem to me more  like some kind of huge off road event.
Agree that is what made the Dakar, guys still on a stage at 1am in the morning. Top guys finishing by mid day makes it a sprint race or cross country event more like Baja.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:16:57 pm
I see both Taye and Kirsten are in with Kirsten 70 on stage and Taye 74 putting Taye at 67 overall and Kirsten at 69.
They now have about 6m30 between them.

Good one ladies  :ricky:

Stuart Gregory now in 76 overall and Graeme Sharp in 84  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: oldred on January 09, 2020, 03:22:30 pm
I think this beats the South africa taxi steering wheel

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:27:22 pm
Kirsten giving it horns



And then just for the spectacular'ness
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 09, 2020, 03:32:20 pm
She will give lessons to all the Rally riders in the rocky bits like that.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:36:53 pm
I think this beats the South africa taxi steering wheel

That is EPIC.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Cracker on January 09, 2020, 03:43:32 pm
I see both Taye and Kirsten are in with Kirsten 70 on stage and Taye 74 putting Taye at 67 overall and Kirsten at 69.
They now have about 6m30 between them.

Good one ladies  :ricky:

Stuart Gregory now in 76 overall and Graeme Sharp in 84  :thumleft:

Don't we have another Saffer racing somewhere at the back? Afrikaans name, he's done a couple Dakars before? If so, what time does he normally get in?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:47:35 pm
Don't we have another Saffer racing somewhere at the back? Afrikaans name, he's done a couple Dakars before? If so, what time does he normally get in?

Wessel Bosman? He's out unfortunately, day 2 I think? Broken ankle
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:50:16 pm
I just love the Coronel brothers attitude. They always just have a great time at Dakar and are driving in one car this year, swopping driving and nav duties daily.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:53:09 pm
Via AdvRider  :lol8:

Quote
Andrew Short has the line of the year award so far. He's had crashes on consecutive days, and was being interviewed with half an eyebrow missing and right eye swollen shut. During some conversation around it must be hard to keep going, Short says--
I'm running out of helmets.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Cracker on January 09, 2020, 03:54:58 pm
Don't we have another Saffer racing somewhere at the back? Afrikaans name, he's done a couple Dakars before? If so, what time does he normally get in?

Wessel Bosman? He's out unfortunately, day 2 I think? Broken ankle

Yep, that's the boytjie ..................shame about his foot.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 03:58:16 pm
Don't we have another Saffer racing somewhere at the back? Afrikaans name, he's done a couple Dakars before? If so, what time does he normally get in?

Wessel Bosman? He's out unfortunately, day 2 I think? Broken ankle

Yep, that's the boytjie ..................shame about his foot.
Day 2 I think
Quote
Hi Guys you won't find my name at the end of this stage...
Tried to jump a river cutaway when I had to make room for a truck...
Either it was to big or I rode too slow☺️☺️
With the impact on the other side I broke my ankle...
Quite funny for me to have something broken..and that when the bike or me never down
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Xpat on January 09, 2020, 04:09:54 pm
Thanks for the updates, I'm riding shotgun this year  :thumleft:

I have to say that the new roadbook rule together with the return to the 'proper Dakar' environment really makes for very entertaining race. I don't think it was this interesting in South America once (the one where Coma did the route a thrown in proper navigation probably came closest). I for one am glad that it returned to its natural habitat, desert. Not 100% of course, but much closer than WRC South America.

I do not get complaints about the length of stages though - especially the stupidly long liaisons that were bane of the SA Dakar (I believe African liaisons were comparatively significantly shorter as there was much more public land to ride one). Did you do your homework and actually checked BB / sidetrack? Well I did and attached is the quick comparo between 1996 Dakar (Granada to Dakar) - randomly chosen because the data was readily available - however the distances are on par with other African Dakars (logicaly) and current Saudi Dakar.

As you can see they are fully comparable. I agree that it was better when race started in Paris (Europe) and ended in Dakar as it gave it big trip feel. But it is what it is - and I'm pretty sure none of you would complain about the length of stages if it would return back to original route.

I think you might have fallen for an optical illusion. Because of the different timezone, the race starts (at least for us in ZAR, not sure where BB is) early in the morning and the top riders are done usually in the early afternoon. While in SA it started in the afternoon and from our perspective ended late at night (in the case of Joey often early morning from our POV). This might affect your perception - if that comment on advrider is correct, about half of the bikers arrive into bivouac after dark even now (but because of the time difference it might be still light here). Also days are shorter in KSA - it is winter in the northern hemisphere. Thanks to that the temperatures are also much more palatable (around 20C at most most days - it is actually surprisingly cold), so hopefully no big threat of heatstroke.

All in all, for me very enjoyable and exciting Dakar - much more so than most, if not all SA Dakars, especially because they eliminated mindbogglingly boring liaisons, that were actually not part of the original Dakar, at least not to any bigger extent that are in the current one.

Thanks again for updates - keep them coming.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 04:14:16 pm
Thanks for that @Xpat  :thumleft:

I definitely agree that the racing this year is significantly better than it was in South America. It is properly exiting yes.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 04:17:34 pm
Taye back in the Bivouac
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 04:18:28 pm
Some feedback from Ross
https://www.facebook.com/aimee.crewebrown/videos/10162761318780623/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 04:25:51 pm
Kirsten  :ricky:
https://www.facebook.com/sadakargroup/videos/570408543803093/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 09, 2020, 04:52:00 pm


Paulo Gonsalves is Hero.  :thumleft:
Not sure if anyone saw that video,

Rynet, care to share a link of that video?

Yes please share that! Gonc is a boytjie!!

I love this video and have watched it a few times.  Seeing the truck stop in the middle of nowhere and just dump the trommel with the engine and leave.
And then Gonk's bike tells him how to swap the engines.  I assume it is HQ asking him if he is ok, but he bends down and talks back to the bike.  :imaposer:

It's in Spanish but no words necessary and if anyone can translate or post the video here please do.  :thumleft:

https://www.facebook.com/brasilnodakar/videos/472921453420361/


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 09, 2020, 06:49:21 pm
Thanks for all the lovely updates.  No time during day for me  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:35:04 pm
Some feedback from the stage today.

Ross Branch:
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Stage 5 ✔️- A really enjoyable but tough stage! The bike is amazing but my shoulder is not 🤣 Provisionally 7th for the day and 14th overall. Awesome to ride with the pack today learnt a lot from them! Stage 6 tomorrow!!
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Taye Perry:
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Dakar Rally - Stage 5.
Freezing morning where we headed out onto our dark liason... no amount of layers can fight this Saudi Arabian wind chill. Speaking of which, I go around left bends on the tarmac here, leaning right - that’s how crazy this frozen wind is. I could use a heatwave!
Special started at 8:30am sharp for me, into the bitter cold and unknown that - surprise - was my first taste of serious KM’s of camel grass dunes... short and sweet, this flu I have is a pain (in many ways), especially when my height fails me in the terribly slow stuff, and I need to manoeuvre or pick my bike up... but I can do this... and I know I’ll struggle in certain areas, but little changes in style and planning go a long way. You never stop learning!
I tried to keep a steady and calm pace. Yes I tried and failed to use my leg a couple times, cost time picking up my bike. I also high sided up a big camel grass incline near the end of the stage, wasted quite a bit of time dragging my bike out of that situation.
I run out of time in the Bivouac fast, so thanks for the patience 🥴
It’s a deadly 4am start with around 177km of freezing liason to do 477km of SS, and then into another cold evening 174km liason to the next Bivouac.
Let’s keep rolling! Taye - OUT!
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Kirsten Landman:
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Stage 5 🐪
Starting to get into a good flow!
Had some fun today. After the neutralization the tracks got super sandy, in between camel grass and down some big dunes.
Feeling strong and ready for stage 6
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Stuart Gregory:
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Stage 5 today
Rally has really begun today the special is 350 km
Including 200km of dunes
Braaaaapppp
https://www.facebook.com/ktmdurban/videos/518738592069997/
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Graeme Sharp:
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Guys, have I said that this is tough before? 🤪Unfortunately I had some mechanical issues today so lost time because of that, and I'm frustrated as I think I missed another waypoint too 😬BUT otherwise the stage was lots of fun and a good challenge. Tomorrow is going to be a mammoth day in the saddle and then we get a rest day after that! 👍🏁🇿🇼#mydakarsafari
https://www.facebook.com/mydakarsafari/videos/888926441510083/
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:40:04 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:44:37 pm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:48:37 pm
Some awesome mixed footage
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 09, 2020, 08:56:01 pm
He broke his shoulder at the 170km mark and still finished the stage  :eek7: Klip f*kken hard  :thumleft:

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Update from Malle Moto competitor Neil Hawker No. 102 on his unfortunate exit from Dakar 2020:
"Absolutely gutted I am out of Dakar 2020 after feeling good in body and mind for stage 5 things went and we’re going well I was in my comfort zone clicking away the kilometres roughly 170km in soft sand I hit some camel grass and swapped off the bike at speed.
I couldn’t see to well and was pretty beaten up but plodded to finish the stage in agony riding straight to the medical team who X-ray and looked after me whilst I went into shut down Iv broken my shoulder and pretty beaten and I’m gutted absolutely devastated."
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 10, 2020, 06:34:48 am
Almost 500 km SS today. All sand and dunes and competitors are only getting the roadbook 25 min before start. It’s going to be interesting
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:40:01 am
Almost 500 km SS today. All sand and dunes and competitors are only getting the roadbook 25 min before start. It’s going to be interesting

Yes should continue to be a leveller and more great racing.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 06:55:56 am
Thanks for all the lovely updates.  No time during day for me  :-\

Yess ditto- big thanks for updates 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 07:18:00 am
First guys through WP1 already - the dune/sand experts will start to dominate.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 07:43:07 am
ready for a long day in saddle
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:45:49 am
Very exciting  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

and the heat is on ......
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 07:47:43 am
Boys in blue spread  wide -12th Franco, 19th Jamie, 23rd Jamie and 33rd Antonio
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:48:52 am
https://rally.hondaracingcorporation.com/report/stage-5-dakar-2020/?fbclid=IwAR1yNBlqxrywtNmVuASk7yPun49-goY2RhepkJ5kMcWoUfSO7O8-JF6M2Nc#.Xhd

2020 Dakar Thursday, January 9th 2020
Stage Round DAK20  Dakar 2020
Ricky Brabec controls the Dakar and remains leader after the fifth stage
This report is in the following languages:   
Monster Energy Honda Team overcome a tricky stage to obtain fine results. Ricky Brabec, on his arrival at the bivouac in Ha’il, expresses his satisfaction at continuing to hold the leadership. Three Honda riders now occupy the top five overall places.
From the great rocks of Tabuk to the sandy plains of Ha’il. Today’s agenda provided the riders with a fifth stage filled with rocky paths and boulders on both fast track and sandy off-road with plenty of camel grass to tackle. This led to the formation of a large group of riders who rode bunched together from the refuelling to the end of the special. The trek covered some 353 kilometres against the clock – 100 less than yesterday – and took the competitors from Al Ula to the new bivouac situated in the northeast of the country. The dunes, which were present only in the distant landscape, are highly likely to be the main protagonists over the coming days.
After starting out among the first positions, the team riders set about minimizing the time that their pursuers were intent on clawing back from them. Ricky Brabec staged a mission to maintain his place at the head of the overall leader board. The American rider, finishing in fourth place on the day, was thus able to keep the day’s winner Price within a three minute distance. Brabec holds top spot in the general rankings with a nine-and-a-half minute advantage over the nearest second place rival.
Joan Barreda noted how much the sensations in the race have improved, with the Spaniard looking far more at ease than on previous days. Posting sixth place on the stage leaves the Dakar Legend in seventh position overall, with the rider looking set to improve further over the coming days.
Third place in the overall standings is, likewise, a satisfactory position for Kevin Benavides who celebrates his 31st birthday today. The Argentinean finished in a buoyant ninth position, some 12 minutes adrift of the winner, but is confident of being able to take advantage of the favourable starting position to strike hard tomorrow.
Yesterday’s winner, Nacho Cornejo opened the track for large stretches of today’s stage until he was reached, first by Ricky Brabec, then by other riders. The Chilean is fifth in the overall standings, a position which he wishes to improve upon tomorrow on the longest stage of the opening half of the rally, before the riders get a well-earned rest.
Tomorrow sees the sixth stage from De Ha’il to the capital of the country, Riyadh, where the rest day awaits. Like today, the riders will once again receive the roadbook shortly before starting the special – the longest scheduled timed stage of the rally so far. The total distance to cover from bivouac-bivouac will be 830 kilometres.
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This is…  Stage 6
Link > 352 km – Special > 478 km – Total > 830 km
The change of scenery is dramatic. This time, the special stage is 100% sand, entirely off-road. After a relatively fast first section, obstacle experts will have the advantage in the dunes. Riders having previously honed their skills in the Sahara desert will certainly have the upper hand. Then it will be time to rest.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:55:36 am
Very nice interview with Ross Branch . And he should be in his element today with all that sand.

Racing with the top guys like, I have to pinch myself.  :ricky: :ricky:

less slow rocky and camel grass stuff so hopefully Taye will have it easier , she's had a rough time with the camel grass and short legs,  but still doing amazingly well and Kirsten also.

So proud of South Africans this year, from the Rugby , Netbal , Miss Univers etc and now our boys and girls at the Dakar.  :hello2:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/214785449184353/?ref=br_rs

See interview on Facebook



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 08:00:11 am
Good Luck  :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 08:10:34 am
Day 6

Lekker watching guys, got to work !

will be checking in. Go South Africa , go HONDA and Go Toby also .......... :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 08:41:17 am
More Honne.

Time for the big sand, going to be an interesting day of racing folks. I had to work until 02h00 this morning because I got just about f*ckall done during the day yesterday, if this stage is as exiting as I expect then I'm working tonight again  ;D



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 08:48:56 am
Graeme Sharp this morning
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Stage 6: Ha'il > Riyadh: Liaison > 353 km - Special > 477 km

🐪Today is the second-longest stage of the Dakar Rally and "the change of scenery is dramatic. This time, the special stage is 100% sand, entirely off-road. After a relatively fast first section, obstacle experts will have the advantage in the dunes. Drivers having previously honed their skills in the Sahara Desert will certainly have the upper hand. Then it will be time to rest".
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 08:49:42 am
09:05 Benavides takes the lead
Kevin Benavides could enjoy a decent day today. Having started in ninth position, the Honda rider can go on the attack without too much worry and has achieved the best time so far after 107 km. Ricky Brabec is also on form, 27 seconds behind, whilst Jose Ignacio Cornejo and Joan Barreda mean that the top 4 is currently 100% Honda.


Kevin Benavides continues to lead the stage on arrival at the first neutralised zone. His team-mates Ricky Brabec, Joan Barreda and Jose Ignacio Cornejo are also in the top 4. It looks like the Honda riders have the firm intention of reaching the rest day in total control of the general standings.

🇿🇦#120 T. Perry P54 From P56 @ WP2 Provisional

🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P70 From P69 @ WP2 Provisional
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 08:51:10 am
Interesting bit of trivia, over on AdvRider Ross Branch is now known as Bruce Branch after his stage 2 win. The Aussies have been expropriating all the riders that are kicking ass and offering them citizenship  :spitcoffee:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 10, 2020, 08:56:04 am
Quote from: XT JOE
ready for a long day in saddle
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Stuart looks like he could be related to Jeremy Clarkson.... :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 09:03:16 am
Interesting bit of trivia, over on AdvRider Ross Branch is now known as Bruce Branch after his stage 2 win. The Aussies have been expropriating all the riders that are kicking ass and offering them citizenship  :spitcoffee:

Well Bruce lost almost 4min between WP1 & 2. That could have been a lot worse and in the greater scheme of things he is doing superbly but I want him to finish top10 so badly that I have a mini tantrum every time he's not doing just perfectly.  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 09:08:41 am
Interesting bit of trivia, over on AdvRider Ross Branch is now known as Bruce Branch after his stage 2 win. The Aussies have been expropriating all the riders that are kicking ass and offering them citizenship  :spitcoffee:

Well Bruce lost almost 4min between WP1 & 2. That could have been a lot worse and in the greater scheme of things he is doing superbly but I want him to finish top10 so badly that I have a mini tantrum every time he's not doing just perfectly.  ::)

I see he went through wp3 at the same time as Luciano Benavides so they must be riding together.

Edit: Actually looks like he was 20sec ahead of Luciano.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 09:12:26 am
Ricky Brabec is on FIRE  :ricky: adding a minute on Toby Price at every wp
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 09:19:34 am
Day 6

Lekker watching guys, got to work !

will be checking in. Go South Africa , go HONDA and Go Toby also .......... :ricky:

:eek: Nou wat nou Mevrou, what about your honey bunny :love4: Barreda? No special mention? Besides, he's riding really well today going through WP3 just a minute off today's leader.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 09:44:56 am
Baardbek is flying now, taking over the lead from Kevin Benavides at WP4. We'll see if he keeps it at WP5 but judging by the gap he keeps pulling on Price, chances are that he will.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 10:01:59 am
Special Branch seems to be holding at pos 9. Honda dominating today.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 10:12:20 am
Day 6

Lekker watching guys, got to work !

will be checking in. Go South Africa , go HONDA and Go Toby also .......... :ricky:

:eek: Nou wat nou Mevrou, what about your honey bunny :love4: Barreda? No special mention? Besides, he's riding really well today going through WP3 just a minute off today's leader.
hahah  :laughing4: I didn't want to jinx Joan Barreda to keep mentioning him,  but of course I'm watching him closely.  >:D

This year he has been on more elegant form, but I thought I would be more discreet about it. :peepwall: :imaposer:

But yes of course I'm rooting for the whole Honda Team like every year and they are doing so well this year , so holding thumbs for all of them  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 10:14:51 am
More Honne.

Time for the big sand, going to be an interesting day of racing folks. I had to work until 02h00 this morning because I got just about f*ckall done during the day yesterday, if this stage is as exiting as I expect then I'm working tonight again  ;D
haha Kortbroek ,you aiming for Wildog Alien Status  :hello2:, but well done for taking one for the WD team so the rest of us can work and sleep . Appreciate all your lovely updates.  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 10, 2020, 10:17:36 am
Ross branch and the two Benavides brothers are all riding together, have been from about WP2 , Ross lost a lot of time in the early stage, he started 3min ahead of Luciano and 6min ahead of Kevin, but since WP2 where they caught up with him he has stuck with them, so if all goes well it should be another good day for Special Branch
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 10:19:42 am

Braaipak doing well
11:07 Brabec continues to force the issue
Ricky Brabec is continuing to race a faultless stage after 265 km. The HRC rider leads his team-mate Kevin Benavides by less than a minute, while Matthias Walkner is in third place, almost two minutes behind the American. Toby Price is now almost 6 minutes behind the stage leader.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 10:30:35 am
More Honne.

Time for the big sand, going to be an interesting day of racing folks. I had to work until 02h00 this morning because I got just about f*ckall done during the day yesterday, if this stage is as exiting as I expect then I'm working tonight again  ;D
haha Kortbroek ,you aiming for Wildog Alien Status  :hello2:, but well done for taking one for the WD team so the rest of us can work and sleep . Appreciate all your lovely updates.  :thumleft: :thumleft:
:imaposer: More like I'm aiming to live up to the work standards of a govt employee  :peepwall:

Here's another highlights video from stage 4
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 10:36:47 am
Check this video of Milan Engel finishing stage 4 with no rear tyre:

Quote
Stage 4. | ✅ BIG LUCK FOR MILAN. He took an hour and a half and overall fell to 34. th place. The technique did not stop him, fortunately he did not stop! We continue, the rally has barely begun!
https://www.facebook.com/MRGCzech/videos/797709127340300/

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81701496_1512031838935242_5745548893421043712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=GZy1aTv-e3QAQltZ_2Mh39jCV56mFwo7SFXZ0lrPHUihNPNxTTW7r9qRA&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=950c07b4fc8c1386aa7f3bf10aadd1e5&oe=5E9B0DB3)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 10:42:51 am
Check this video of Milan Engel finishing stage 4 with no rear tyre:

Quote
Stage 4. | ✅ BIG LUCK FOR MILAN. He took an hour and a half and overall fell to 34. th place. The technique did not stop him, fortunately he did not stop! We continue, the rally has barely begun!
https://www.facebook.com/MRGCzech/videos/797709127340300/

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/81701496_1512031838935242_5745548893421043712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=GZy1aTv-e3QAQltZ_2Mh39jCV56mFwo7SFXZ0lrPHUihNPNxTTW7r9qRA&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=950c07b4fc8c1386aa7f3bf10aadd1e5&oe=5E9B0DB3)

I love the determination of the competitors.  They want to finish no matter what!!

No rear tire... lets go for it on the rim!!
Bruised shoulder...cry a little... get back up!!
Broken steering wheel...  jimmy it and keep going!!

To quit is just not an option.   :headbang:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 10:48:52 am
Taye through wp4 in 57th with Kirsten just behind her in 65th, about 5min apart in pace and about 3min apart on the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 10:50:52 am
Son of a b*tch

11:45 Branch must finish with a flat tyre
The end of the stage will be long and tough for Ross Branch who has arrived at the second neutralised zone with a back wheel in a very bad state. With 177 km left to cover, the man from Botswana just wants to, “get to the finishing line” and is remaining philosophical: “It’s a stroke of bad luck again, but that’s the just the race, I suppose”.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 10:52:42 am
That really sucks, I think realistically this spells the end of any top 10 chance for Ross
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 10:54:41 am
Video off Ross
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1215556791804841985

No giving up in him
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 11:00:14 am
Son of a b*tch

11:45 Branch must finish with a flat tyre
The end of the stage will be long and tough for Ross Branch who has arrived at the second neutralised zone with a back wheel in a very bad state. With 177 km left to cover, the man from Botswana just wants to, “get to the finishing line” and is remaining philosophical: “It’s a stroke of bad luck again, but that’s the just the race, I suppose”.

Argh FFS!  :angryfire:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 11:12:47 am
Video off Ross
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1215556791804841985

No giving up in him

Gooied a knob  ???  Then I guess mousse has cooked.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:21:44 am
The tire

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-10_9-55-38-png.2076945/)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 11:23:17 am
The tire

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2020-1-10_9-55-38-png.2076945/)

What!!??  :o :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:29:38 am
Taye Perry is only 7min behind Mirjam Pol in pace on the stage at wp 5 and about 12min behind her in real time. Taye in 56th and Mirjam in 50th.
Kirsten through wp5 in 66th, 10min slower than Taye.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:33:30 am
At wp4 we have Stuart in 86th and Graeme in 91st
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:34:43 am
Ross through wp7 but losing lots of time now  :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 11:36:34 am
See Ross has dropped a lot of time. I recon this will shift him down to the high 20's for the days stage. Such shit luck.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:41:47 am
To give an idea of just how varied the conditions in Saudi can be

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN6PmUuWsAMWaAA?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN6PmUvXsAEy2RB?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:42:58 am
See Ross has dropped a lot of time. I recon this will shift him down to the high 20's for the days stage. Such shit luck.
I'm really hoping he can pull off another stage win before the end of the race. That would at least soothe the frustration a bit I think
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 10, 2020, 11:47:43 am
What happened to Price??
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:47:50 am
This is in Neom, remember how sunny it was a few days ago?

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/82626472_1080665102288163_5955224837419958272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=6hr-OPNCBkoAQldaq0Y0qz02Cf0mvXxT3Bg1lTwDL8z2nn4v7dyXaZkoQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&_nc_tp=1&oh=a831d5e9171caf811de86878e3047afb&oe=5EA20506)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 11:47:53 am
Just saw TP has ground to a halt....Nooooooo.....Hope he can get going again... quickly
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:48:39 am
What happened to Price??

He's been having a tough day opening the stage. Hope all is well.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 10, 2020, 11:49:07 am
What snow in the desert?!! :o :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BullSmit on January 10, 2020, 11:50:37 am
Hond se tollie!!!!

Talk about 4 seasons n 1 day!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 10, 2020, 11:51:35 am
What happened to Price??

He's been having a tough day opening the stage. Hope all is well.

Barreda is starting to pick up form - He seems to love the sand
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:52:37 am
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:57:39 am
Barreda is starting to pick up form - He seems to love the sand

I have been really impressed by the whole Honda team this year. Much more composed than previous years. It looks like Reubens Faria who is running the Dakar team this year is having a real positive impact, good move Honda. I have also seen mentioned that Johnny Campbell is hanging around the Honda camp & Brabec, another great influence there I suspect.

Edit: The bit about Campbell being there is a rumour though...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 11:58:34 am
Hond se tollie!!!!

Talk about 4 seasons n 1 day!!

ja nee wratig
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 11:59:23 am
12:40 Price at a standstill!
Toby Price has ground to a halt after 425 km of the special, a pause which could be very costly for the KTM rider in the general standings
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:59:36 am
It's almost like Peterhansel has done this before. Making it look easy
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1215569392500645888
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:01:18 pm
What snow in the desert?!! :o :eek7:

Nogal algemeen ja
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 12:02:06 pm
12:40 Price at a standstill!
Toby Price has ground to a halt after 425 km of the special, a pause which could be very costly for the KTM rider in the general standings

TP is  the ASS but dropped a further 10 minutes. 16 Min behind Braapbek on the stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:05:32 pm
12:40 Price at a standstill!
Toby Price has ground to a halt after 425 km of the special, a pause which could be very costly for the KTM rider in the general standings

TP is  the ASS but dropped a further 10 minutes. 16 Min behind Braapbek on the stage

Ouch ja he lost a bit of time opening today and then a lot here at the end. Wonder what happened.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:07:37 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 12:09:51 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:

Ja-nee, nie eers met Brasso nie.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 12:10:55 pm
Benavides now comes to a halt...whats going on today
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 12:11:11 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:

Ja-nee, nie eers met Brasso nie.

post a pic  :biggrin:

Don't have twitter
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:12:16 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:

Ja-nee, nie eers met Brasso nie.

post a pic  :biggrin:

Don't have twitter

I don't have twitter either but you can watch the video
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 12:13:19 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:

Ja-nee, nie eers met Brasso nie.

post a pic  :biggrin:

Don't have twitter

I don't have twitter either but you can watch the video

blocked at work... thought it was a pic. ah nvm
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 12:15:34 pm
In other news, don't think this is going to buff out
https://twitter.com/sadakoom/status/1215569018465157121

The aftermath https://twitter.com/F1Oprah/status/1215572714607562752

 :eek7: :eek7:

I see he had a roll of duct tape cable tied at the door - surely that would have worked?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:17:42 pm
blocked at work... thought it was a pic. ah nvm

Here you go
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 10, 2020, 12:18:16 pm
eerste 6 bikes is in. braaiplek eerste, price 6 de.
Overall brabec, 20 min voor pablo grenadilla (husky), price 3de 25min
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:20:53 pm
eerste 6 bikes is in. braaiplek eerste, price 6 de.
Overall brabec, 20 min voor pablo grenadilla (husky), price 3de 25min

Brabec bou 'n solid lead op, as die bike hierdie jaar hou het hy 'n baie goeie kans
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 10, 2020, 12:34:20 pm
eerste 6 bikes is in. braaiplek eerste, price 6 de.
Overall brabec, 20 min voor pablo grenadilla (husky), price 3de 25min

Brabec bou 'n solid lead op, as die bike hierdie jaar hou het hy 'n baie goeie kans

Verseker! Op die stadium moet jy net genoeg begin doen om n goeie voorsprong te behou en soveel moontlik bike preserveer en glad nie kanse vat nie.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 10, 2020, 12:36:11 pm
This is in Neom, remember how sunny it was a few days ago?

(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/82626472_1080665102288163_5955224837419958272_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ohc=6hr-OPNCBkoAQldaq0Y0qz02Cf0mvXxT3Bg1lTwDL8z2nn4v7dyXaZkoQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&_nc_tp=1&oh=a831d5e9171caf811de86878e3047afb&oe=5EA20506)
No wonder Taye had been complaining about the ice cold wind in the early monings
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 12:42:05 pm
blocked at work... thought it was a pic. ah nvm

Here you go

Thank you.

And wow
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 12:45:17 pm
eerste 6 bikes is in. braaiplek eerste, price 6 de.
Overall brabec, 20 min voor pablo grenadilla (husky), price 3de 25min

Brabec bou 'n solid lead op, as die bike hierdie jaar hou het hy 'n baie goeie kans

Sal great wees om 'n Honda dit te sien wen.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2020, 12:52:42 pm
Honda seems to have finally got their act together. I wonder if it has something to do with them stopping pushing Barreda as their preferred guy and instead letting individual guys show what they've got and seeing who comes on top - kind of like what KTM has been doing ever since Cyril and Marc retired.

Brabec is running very slick race and barring major upheaval (navigational error, technical issue/crash) I think he is going to take it this year. Heck even Barreda seems to have smartened up finally, riding quite conservatively avoiding any major silliness and probably keeping some of his gun-powder for the final stages. He is now over half an hour behind Brabec, but only 8 minutes behind Price, so it will be interesting to see if he will try to ramp it up in the second week and get Price. Even more interesting will be if Brabec stumbles somehow and he can get closer, whether he will make a dash for the top position or if team orders will prevail.

We will see - in any case, very interesting race, just bummed about Ross'es bad luck today. I agree with the suggestion that - shoulder allowing - he should try for one or two more wins next week. I think he can accrue more goodwill for potential factory team negotiations from that, rather than just focusing on the overalls. He was 13th last year so unless he makes it to top 5 (not likely with the setbacks he had), that is better way to show himself IMO.


Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 12:54:45 pm
Honda seems to have finally got their act together. I wonder if it has something to do with them stopping pushing Barreda as their preferred guy and instead letting individual guys show what they've got and seeing who comes on top - kind of like what KTM has been doing ever since Cyril and Marc retired.

Brabec is running very slick race and barring major upheaval (navigational error, technical issue/crash) I think he is going to take it this year. Heck even Barreda seems to have smartened up finally, riding quite conservatively avoiding any major silliness and probably keeping some of his gun-powder for the final stages. He is now over half an hour behind Brabec, but only 8 minutes behind Price, so it will be interesting to see if he will try to ramp it up in the second week and get Price. Even more interesting will be if Brabec stumbles somehow and he can get closer, whether he will make a dash for the top position or if team orders will prevail.

We will see - in any case, very interesting race, just bummed about Ross'es bad luck today. I agree with the suggestion that - shoulder allowing - he should try for one or two more wins next week. I think he can accrue more goodwill for potential factory team negotiations from that, rather than just focusing on the overalls. He was 13th last year so unless he makes it to top 5 (not likely with the setbacks he had), that is better way to show himself IMO.

I really think the team management changes has had a big impact. I also think that is one of the big secrets in years past behind KTM's success.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Xpat on January 10, 2020, 01:02:57 pm
Honda seems to have finally got their act together. I wonder if it has something to do with them stopping pushing Barreda as their preferred guy and instead letting individual guys show what they've got and seeing who comes on top - kind of like what KTM has been doing ever since Cyril and Marc retired.

Brabec is running very slick race and barring major upheaval (navigational error, technical issue/crash) I think he is going to take it this year. Heck even Barreda seems to have smartened up finally, riding quite conservatively avoiding any major silliness and probably keeping some of his gun-powder for the final stages. He is now over half an hour behind Brabec, but only 8 minutes behind Price, so it will be interesting to see if he will try to ramp it up in the second week and get Price. Even more interesting will be if Brabec stumbles somehow and he can get closer, whether he will make a dash for the top position or if team orders will prevail.

We will see - in any case, very interesting race, just bummed about Ross'es bad luck today. I agree with the suggestion that - shoulder allowing - he should try for one or two more wins next week. I think he can accrue more goodwill for potential factory team negotiations from that, rather than just focusing on the overalls. He was 13th last year so unless he makes it to top 5 (not likely with the setbacks he had), that is better way to show himself IMO.

I really think the team management changes has had a big impact. I also think that is one of the big secrets in years past behind KTM's success.

That and what seems to be lack of ability of KTM dudes to navigate without help of mustachioed man with googlemaps.  :peepwall: :pot:

Joking aside, that new roadbook approach was huge step in the right direction  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 01:05:39 pm
That and what seems to be lack of ability of KTM dudes to navigate without help of mustachioed man with googlemaps.  :peepwall: :pot:

Joking aside, that new roadbook approach was huge step in the right direction  :thumleft:

For sure. Brabec is really showing his class with the navigation this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlomC on January 10, 2020, 01:09:26 pm
Did not see anyone that posted this already:
Red Bull Dakar Daily of yesterday's stage 5.

https://www.redbull.com/za-en/videos/stage-5-dakar-rally-2020

Sent from my SM-G965F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 01:14:02 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 01:14:38 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

You can only laugh
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 01:21:42 pm
Branch al in?

Refresh die crap uit die site uit.

Bly wys hy is nog nie klaar nie
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 10, 2020, 01:29:47 pm
Branch al in?

Refresh die crap uit die site uit.

Bly wys hy is nog nie klaar nie

Nee nog nie. Dis nou 'n f'en sirkus vir hom op daai stage. Ek k@k sommer my rok vol. :angry5:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 10, 2020, 01:30:49 pm
13:56 Benavides is waiting for a tow!
Kevin Benavides was third in the general standings this morning, but is waving goodbye to his dreams of outright victory on the Dakar. The Argentinean has been at a standstill 44 km from the finish for more than one hour with a broken engine. He is waiting for to see if any fellow competitors will tow him to the finish!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 01:37:38 pm
Shit man that sucks for Benavides. FFS Honda, sort out your bikes man.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 01:43:38 pm
Ok Ross is on his way to the end now
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Fenderbender on January 10, 2020, 01:49:14 pm
Hel die goed is naels afkou .... Ross jou Yster !!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 01:51:54 pm
Hel die goed is naels afkou .... Ross jou Yster !!!

Ek sou lankal daai bike in 'n duin begrawe het!!

"Bring my perd ek het klaar gepraat!!"
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Black_Hawk on January 10, 2020, 01:55:01 pm
Ross het net nie einde nie  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kerritz on January 10, 2020, 01:57:15 pm
Ek dink hy vir een gaan die rus more geniet.

Dankie vir al die updates hier.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 01:57:48 pm
Ross het net nie einde nie  :thumleft:

Ek het nou amper by bek@k

Ek dog jy update ons en ek lees "Ross maak nie die einde nie"
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Black_Hawk on January 10, 2020, 02:00:33 pm
Ross het net nie einde nie  :thumleft:

Ek het nou amper by bek@k

Ek dog jy update ons en ek lees "Ross maak nie die einde nie"

Lees en presteer  :pot:  gelukkig was dit amper en nie stamper, anders moes jy 'n skoon ontie gaan aantrek het :imaposer:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:02:02 pm
Ross is hard, hy sal dit maak maar f*k hy het dit nie malik die Dakar nie
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:02:36 pm
Ross het net nie einde nie  :thumleft:

Ek het nou amper by bek@k

Ek dog jy update ons en ek lees "Ross maak nie die einde nie"

Lees en presteer  :pot:  gelukkig was dit amper en nie stamper, anders moes jy 'n skoon ontie gaan aantrek het :imaposer:

En ek het net die een... Laundry day  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:05:48 pm
Interesting question now with Benavides engine blown if Honda is going to risk keeping Brabec with the same motor, or take the 15min penalty swop it on the rest day tomorrow?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:11:01 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Quote
Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 10, 2020, 02:11:41 pm
13:56 Benavides is waiting for a tow!
Kevin Benavides was third in the general standings this morning, but is waving goodbye to his dreams of outright victory on the Dakar. The Argentinean has been at a standstill 44 km from the finish for more than one hour with a broken engine. He is waiting for to see if any fellow competitors will tow him to the finish!

As iemand vi Ross n agterwiel leen sy hy self gou daai Honda gaan uitsleep.  >:D
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:16:06 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

Ek is dalk nou net dom.....

maar kan hy nie net die füking ding stoot nie!!!!!

Of is 100m net 'n figure of speech?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:24:47 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

Ek is dalk nou net dom.....

maar kan hy nie net die füking ding stoot nie!!!!!

Of is 100m net 'n figure of speech?

https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Dit is presies wat hy probeer doen. Volg daai link hierbo.

Quote
Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.
Then Fausto went 400m back to take his bike and go back to the finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:26:03 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

Ek is dalk nou net dom.....

maar kan hy nie net die füking ding stoot nie!!!!!

Of is 100m net 'n figure of speech?

https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Dit is presies wat hy probeer doen. Volg daai link hierbo.

Quote
Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.
Then Fausto went 400m back to take his bike and go back to the finish.

Ek het nie Facebook nie  :imaposer:

Ek weet ek weet, ek bly onder 'n klip
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 10, 2020, 02:27:27 pm
Wonder what happened to King Pies today. And the first Honda engine said bang  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 10, 2020, 02:28:23 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

Ek is dalk nou net dom.....

maar kan hy nie net die füking ding stoot nie!!!!!

Of is 100m net 'n figure of speech?

https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Dit is presies wat hy probeer doen. Volg daai link hierbo.

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Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.
Then Fausto went 400m back to take his bike and go back to the finish.

Ek het nie Facebook nie  :imaposer:

Ek weet ek weet, ek bly onder 'n klip
So ver ek alles verstaan het hy die SS klaar maar nou sit hy sonder n wiel met so ongeveer 170km om die bivouac te haal. Sy mense mag nie na hom toe kom nie. So alles is nog nie uitgesort nie.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:30:56 pm
Taye Perry in at #53 for the stage, Mirjam Pol at #45. 49min apart in the overall standings with Taye provisionally in 53rd overall and Mirjam at 50.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:31:58 pm
So ver ek alles verstaan het hy die SS klaar maar nou sit hy sonder n wiel met so ongeveer 170km om die bivouac te haal. Sy mense mag nie na hom toe kom nie. So alles is nog nie uitgesort nie.

Hy wys nog nie in die ASS op tracking nie so nog nie deur dit nie.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:32:31 pm
Ross 100m from end chain off.. he's almost home

Ek is dalk nou net dom.....

maar kan hy nie net die füking ding stoot nie!!!!!

Of is 100m net 'n figure of speech?

https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Dit is presies wat hy probeer doen. Volg daai link hierbo.

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Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.
Then Fausto went 400m back to take his bike and go back to the finish.

Ek het nie Facebook nie  :imaposer:

Ek weet ek weet, ek bly onder 'n klip
So ver ek alles verstaan het hy die SS klaar maar nou sit hy sonder n wiel met so ongeveer 170km om die bivouac te haal. Sy mense mag nie na hom toe kom nie. So alles is nog nie uitgesort nie.

Ek het vergeet van die Liaison !!!!!!

SHIT!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:35:52 pm
Hy is in

02:24:56▼ (67)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:36:24 pm
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Slow clap for ROSS. Come on  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:37:04 pm
Hy is in

02:24:56▼ (67)

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

YSTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 02:37:20 pm
Benavides is waiting for a tow!
Kevin Benavides was third in the general standings this morning, but is waving goodbye to his dreams of outright victory on the Dakar. The Argentinean has been at a standstill 44 km from the finish for more than one hour with a broken engine. He is waiting for to see if any fellow competitors will tow him to the finish!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:37:48 pm
:hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Slow clap for ROSS. Come on  :thumleft:

Jy kan die man uit die Kalahari haal, maar jy haal nie die Kalahari uit die man uit nie  :thumleft:

Tough as nails!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:40:28 pm
Nou kan hy bietjie asem haal, daai ketting regkry en dan 170km ry op sy rim  :eek7:

Hoe vinnig ry mens op 'n rim? 20kmh? So hy kyk na 9-10ure reken ek.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on January 10, 2020, 02:40:32 pm
Wonder what happened to King Pies today. And the first Honda engine said bang  :peepwall:

From Toby Price:

Stage 6 - 11th 🏁 : Overall Standings - 3rd, 0:25:39 from the leader.

Today’s stage started out really good, we were navigating really well from the front and was only losing small amounts of time on the riders who started behind me so I was quite happy with the way I was racing, but unfortunately around the 400km mark my rear tyre fell off! 😫 I have no idea why this would have happened but I’m super grateful that Andrew Short pulled up and gave me his wheel which allowed me to get to the finish as quick as possible so thank you again for this mate! 🙏🏻 Overall I’m pretty gutted that this is how we finished up today but I guess that’s just how it goes sometimes!

Seems the Saudi terrain chows tires for breakfast, lunch and dinner...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:41:32 pm
Nou kan hy bietjie asem haal, daai ketting regkry en dan 170km ry op sy rim  :eek7:

Hoe vinnig ry mens op 'n rim? 20kmh? So hy kyk na 9-10ure reken ek.

Gelukkig is more rusdag.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:44:37 pm
Kirsten also in, 18min slower than Taye in 63rd for the stage putting her in 62nd overall
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:47:00 pm
We're halfway through and already this dakar has had no shortage of nail biting moments.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 02:57:18 pm
He has a HUGE struggle still on his hands to get to the Bivouac. The liaison starts at the finish in thick dune sand. I think he has 3 hours to make it there 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Ross update

Is this true!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:57:35 pm
Fausto Mota you LEGEND.  :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut:

The man that helped Ross get to the finish.
https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/38
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 02:58:15 pm
He has a HUGE struggle still on his hands to get to the Bivouac. The liaison starts at the finish in thick dune sand. I think he has 3 hours to make it there 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Ross update

Is this true!!

As far as I know the Liaison is not timed?????? You only need to make it in time to start your next stage?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 02:59:43 pm
Fausto Mota you LEGEND.  :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut:

The man that helped Ross get to the finish.
https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/38

Good man
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:00:21 pm
 :ricky:
(https://offroadmoto.motosport.com.pt/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/a78c750a-87a9-4ac6-a20e-c2bbe5c6f0de.jpeg)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 03:02:16 pm

update from SADG about Ross

He has finished the timed section were they race..but he must reach the service point that form part of the stage in a max time of 3 hours in order to stay in the race

15:42 Branch finally finishes after a big setback
Ross Branch has finally managed to cross the finishing line after riding a considerable part of the stage with a flat tyre. The man from Botswana has lost 2 hours and 24 minutes due to this mishap..

Eish!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 10, 2020, 03:08:35 pm
Stuart is also in now. Lets hope he or one of the other samaritans will give ross a pull.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Grunder on January 10, 2020, 03:09:13 pm
 :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 10, 2020, 03:19:13 pm

update from SADG about Ross

He has finished the timed section were they race..but he must reach the service point that form part of the stage in a max time of 3 hours in order to stay in the race


Is he allowed to get a lift on a Kamaz or one of the other competing truks? Or on Giniels Toyta.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:19:32 pm

update from SADG about Ross

He has finished the timed section were they race..but he must reach the service point that form part of the stage in a max time of 3 hours in order to stay in the race

15:42 Branch finally finishes after a big setback
Ross Branch has finally managed to cross the finishing line after riding a considerable part of the stage with a flat tyre. The man from Botswana has lost 2 hours and 24 minutes due to this mishap..

Eish!!

I've never heard of the final liaison on the day having a time limit? But even if it does, the overall time for Ross is now meaningless anyhow so he can take long and not worry about the penalties I think. His best chance at kicking more ass now is to try win a stage or 2 if he can make it in tonight.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:20:09 pm

update from SADG about Ross

He has finished the timed section were they race..but he must reach the service point that form part of the stage in a max time of 3 hours in order to stay in the race


Is he allowed to get a lift on a Kamaz or one of the other competing truks? Or on Giniels Toyta.
Don't think he's allowed a lift, but they may tow him.

I think best bet is to get the chain sorted and ride.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 03:24:06 pm
Often you need to pull the swingarm to get the chain loose. Quite doable with the right tools.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2020, 03:27:18 pm
Sheesh I can’t believe no one stopped to give him a tyre - just like Toby got a tyre from short. Heartless buggers LOL

I would have given him my tyre in a heartbeat - wait...... let me think about that some more



Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 10, 2020, 03:29:26 pm
Sheesh I can’t believe no one stopped to give him a tyre - just like Toby got a tyre from short. Heartless buggers LOL

I would have given him my tyre in a heartbeat - wait...... let me think about that some more

I think in Toby's case it's KTM/Husky strategy since Price is one of the top guys. I don't think Short gave it to him out of the goodness of his heart.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:29:41 pm
Stuart Gregory in at 83 and Graeme Sharp at 91
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:30:13 pm
Sheesh I can’t believe no one stopped to give him a tyre - just like Toby got a tyre from short. Heartless buggers LOL

I would have given him my tyre in a heartbeat - wait...... let me think about that some more

I think in Toby's case it's KTM/Husky strategy since Price is one of the top guys. I don't think Short gave it to him out of the goodness of his heart.

Yes and Toby is still in with a shot at the podium which Ross wasn't I don't think.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 03:36:46 pm
Presumably Short put the tire back on and rode on Tobys fucked wheel and still finished 24th and 12th overall. Would like the backstory there as well.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dunnes on January 10, 2020, 03:38:36 pm
https://www.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/

Quote
Ross Branch helped by Fausto Mota to get to the end.

Heart breaking! Check out from about 11:40 in the video, the guy has a chat with Ross. Ross mentioned he "still had another 300m to go and cannot push." Heart breaking.

Just to quote the guy making the video:
Ross: "Thank you very much."
Video: "No, thank you to you, because everybody want to follow something like you... You always want to repair, to push. It's great for everybody."
Ross: "Thank you."
Video: "Tomorrow.. you have a eat and a sleep.. because you are our hero."

I thought that was pretty cool. Sums up what I think about you, Ross. Your a massive legend!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 03:50:32 pm
Walkner klapping it
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 03:51:00 pm
I see K Benavides is finally in to the ASS. Would be interesting to see if and how he gets back to the bivuac. Will probably need a tow.

Also sad that Johhny Aubert crashed out today just 2km from the end of the special
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 04:19:47 pm
👊🧡🇿🇦Kirsten Landman Kirsty spotted on the liaison back to the Bivouac.
Well done on a hard, long day Kirst. Stage 6 🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P64 +01:48:54 provisional and overall 🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P65 +10:43:31
(https://scontent.fjnb8-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/82452195_1080886955599311_9086378587455488000_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=dglBKgBgqlcAQm-Q9rz6UIeMAk3dLO-DqzGGFz5tknQOCwLzJjzFS60wA&_nc_ht=scontent.fjnb8-1.fna&oh=ce1204cee874bc8b1bc28459ca43f49d&oe=5E9D0C59)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2020, 04:34:05 pm
2020 Rankings after the Stage 6 - Top 5
#9 RICKY BRABEC   23H 43' 47''
#5 PABLO QUINTANILLA +00:20:56
#1 TOBY PRICE +00:25:39   00:02:00
#17 JOSE IGNACIO CORNEJO FLORIMO +00:25:41 00:01:00
#12 JOAN BARREDA BORT +00:32:58

So stage 6 is done with
No. Name Pos Vari Penalty
🇧🇼#18 R. Branch P25 +03:37:23
🇿🇦#120 T. Perry P60 +10:18:17
🇿🇦#117 K. Landman P65 +10:43:31
🇿🇦#100 S. Gregory P74 +11:47:38 00:05:00
🇿🇼#142 G. Sharp P83 +13:05:13 01:00:00
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2020, 04:40:49 pm
Sheesh I can’t believe no one stopped to give him a tyre - just like Toby got a tyre from short. Heartless buggers LOL

I would have given him my tyre in a heartbeat - wait...... let me think about that some more

I think in Toby's case it's KTM/Husky strategy since Price is one of the top guys. I don't think Short gave it to him out of the goodness of his heart.

Agreed LOL


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 05:57:51 pm
Golly , what upsets today , Ross Branch's shredded tyre, Sam of yesterday was bad enough , but now Kevin B's engine. :'(

Gosh so many upsets.

Glad to see Princess Laia coming up roses, climbing up the ranks slowly but Shirley .  :ricky:

Lots to catch up.....

Great to see Ricky Brabec's tenacity and skills still shining .  :ricky:

and Joan Barreda still hanging in there............... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dustman on January 10, 2020, 06:05:55 pm
Beware of Bam-Bam. He was lurking in the shadows. Today he started showing his teeth.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:13:12 pm
Beware of Bam-Bam. He was lurking in the shadows. Today he started showing his teeth.

Guess they may reduce the Ritlin now going into the 2nd half?  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:13:50 pm
Anyone know how Ross is doing with the liaison?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 06:15:27 pm
Beware of Bam-Bam. He was lurking in the shadows. Today he started showing his teeth.

Guess they may reduce the Ritlin now going into the 2nd half?  :lol8:

 :imaposer: Noooo you are naughty Big D.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:26:02 pm
I see Ross is in Bivvy. Must have been towed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2020, 06:30:15 pm
I see Ross is in ASS. Must have been towed.

ASS was not the end. Still had 170 km of liaison afterwards. Starting in the dunes...

But he managed to get to the bivvy a couple of minutes ago according to the SA dakar whatsapp group.

Albeit with a new rear wheel and chain on...  ??? ;D

EDIT: Saw now the chain was off. Waiting for info on how he got the rear. A Kamaz with some KTM spares maybe...  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:32:45 pm
I see Ross is in ASS. Must have been towed.

ASS was not the end. Still had 170 km of liaison afterwards. Starting in the dunes...

But he managed to get to the bivvy a couple of minutes ago according to the SA dakar whatsapp group.

Albeit with a new rear wheel and chain on...  ??? ;D

Sorry meant Bivvy. Corrected. No chain - must have been towed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 06:33:29 pm
Nice interview of RIcky Brabec aka Mr “I WILL WIN SOON!” from 6 January

His determination is paying off....

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-racing/ricky-brabec-dakar-2020-interview/

Ricky Brabec Dakar 2020 Interview

Will 2020 be the American’s year to win the legendary rally?

By Maria Guidotti
January 6, 2020

 Monster Energy Honda’s Ricky Brabec has his sights on a Dakar win in 2020—a win that would make him the first American winner of the legendary rally.Honda Racin.

We left Ricky Brabec last January in Peru when his Honda CRF450 Rally suddenly stopped on the eighth stage of the Dakar Rally. The factory Monster Energy Honda rider was devastated when an engine failure while leading the last stage of the rally destroyed his dream of becoming the first American to win Dakar. The race was over but Ricky proved to himself and the Dakar circus to be one of the clear favorites. One year later, he returns stronger than ever—exactly as he promised. From the California desert to the Saudi Empty Quarter, the Monster Energy Honda rider is determined to shine in the most important race of the year.

At the end of Stage 2 Brabec is sitting in fifth place, 4 minutes and 11 seconds down to the KTM of Brit Sam Sunderland. With 10 stages remaining, Brabec’s fortune can swing either way, but the American is determined to move to the front.

Last year you were the true revelation of the Dakar; you showed an incredible determination from day one, you won one stage, and you were leading. Did this change the relations in the team?

Since I led the stage and won, the team seemed to be in a little shock as it was unexpected, like they didn’t really believe I could be in that position. I have never felt the team backed me 100 percent, but after I proved I could lead, things got a little easier.


You were close to becoming the first American to win Dakar, how close were you to nurturing this dream?

My dream was becoming a reality leading Dakar, but as quickly as it came, it was shattered and taken away.

How are you facing this year’s challenge?


Last year I gained more confidence when I won a stage and I was leading the rally. All the training and discipline were finally paying off.

We left you last year on Stage 8 when your Honda’s engine suddenly stopped. If you think back to that moment, what do you feel?

Going back to that moment is something I wish I can forget. But I cannot. I can only use it to boost my determination—to power forward, work hard, and put myself in the position to win the 2020 Dakar.

How difficult is it to overcome this big disappointment?

I don’t think that disappointment will go away until I finally win Dakar. It fuels my fire to push myself to the maximum to win!

Have you changed anything in your preparation for this year?

I haven’t really changed anything but just refined my craft, spending lots of time training on the bike with Jimmy Lewis and Johnny Campbell. They are my mentors and have a lot of knowledge to share. They help me work on navigation drills and mental toughness. I don’t like the stress of some of the training, but I know it will pay off when the going gets tough.

On paper there won’t be any team orders—how do you feel about that?

Team orders don’t usually come into play until the rally gets settled in a few days. For me, I’m going there to win. That’s what I’m paid to do.
People say no one returns from Dakar the same. What have you learned? How have you changed?
Dakar hardens the competitor, but also builds humility. To race rally you have to be tough and have the character to survive. Dakar will test the human spirit to the fullest. I am going back to Dakar this year a year more mature, and hungry to win.
 Humility, toughness, and character—three qualities Brabec says are essential for winning the Dakar Rally.Honda Racing

Where did you inherit the passion for off-road racing?

My dad introduced me to off-road racing. I grew up riding and racing in the Southern California desert. There is a large community here that rides. It’s a blast to be able to have the whole desert straight from your front door. My first memory as a child is in fact riding and camping in the desert with my family.

What is the scariest thing you have ever done?

Racing through the dunes for the first time in Abu Dhabi. Those guys were so fast—like full gas and launching off dunes like knuckleheads!

What is your greatest fear?

My greatest fear is not winning. I work so hard throughout the whole year to be the best, and I don’t want to fail myself or Honda.

What is the limit for you?

The limit for me is unknown. I want to win Dakar, after that then maybe I’ll have limit.

 Brabec wants to cross winning the Dakar Rally off of his racing to-do list.Honda Racing


If you could choose a superpower, what would it be?

Superpower? I think I would want X-ray vision to see through every obstacle and blind corner.

What is the best recipe to win Dakar?

The best recipe to win Dakar is to have a solid team and bike. I feel more comfortable now that I have more Americans around me—the right ones: Hide, Norman, Campbell, and Lewis. It builds confidence in myself knowing these guys are behind me 100 percent. We have done massive amounts of testing, and I love my bike. It’s time to win.

What do these words mean to you: fun, adventure, failure, and dust?


Fun is riding in wet dirt in my local hills with a group of buddies.
Adventure is the Dakar.
Failure is behind me.
Dust is what I will be making for others to eat in the Dakar!

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 06:37:34 pm
So will they fit a new engine to Braaiplek's bike and take the 15 minutes - just to be safe as last years mechanical DNF must be on his mind? Esp with the demise of another in the dunes today ....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Fenderbender on January 10, 2020, 06:47:29 pm
I see Ross is in Bivvy. Must have been towed.


 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:    Fnok my senuwees . Gelukkig more rusdag . Sondag gaan daai boytjie kook !!!
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bullet on January 10, 2020, 06:48:52 pm
Who towed Benavides in?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 06:49:52 pm
Good question Big Dom !

From Ricky Brabec's DakarWebsite Competitor Page.


“I WILL WIN SOON!”

From his youth in California to the Dakar tracks after years of competing in BMX, Ricky Brabec has been on the fast track to success. He already had a highly successful career when he made his Dakar debut in 2016. This son of bike racing parents has won practically everything: the Baja 1000, Baja 500, Vegas to Reno and of course the desert racing title. Spotted by the Honda HRC team, he began his international career with the Dakar in his sights. The learning process has been long but promising. Ninth in his first participation in South America, he took his riding to the net level in winning his first stage in 2017 at Uyuni. But on a Dakar, one also has to learn from their struggles, Brabec must also remember the last three unfinished editions. His last run in South America was “one of the worst moments” of his life. He was in the lead after stage 7 (from 10), he retired the following day with a blown engine. It took him a long time to get over this setback, but also to recover from an injury suffered during the Sonora Rally. It is hard to say what his status will be at the start of his fifth Dakar, especially alongside his team mates Kevin Benavides and Joan Barreda, who will also be contenders for the win. But he is now well aware, in spite of being so unlucky that victory could be within his reach. A victory that has eluded Honda for 31 years.

“After riding with the top guys for the 8 days I was in the race and leading 3 of those days with victory in sight it was a massive disappointment when I had to drop out. I had never felt worse in my life. This was a big accomplishment and to have it all go away so close to the end was heart wrenching. Being in the position I was during the 2019 Dakar let me know that I can win, and that I will win soon. I am beginning to figure this rally out and I am fighting hard to be the best in the team. I am very confident and I am expecting the same from the team this year. It has been a difficult season for me following the Dakar disappointment. I stayed home a lot and got hurt on the Sonora Rally. That is now behind me and I joined the team in the second half of the season to train and prepare for the 2020 Dakar. I am excited to go to Saudi Arabia, No one has any prior experience there and that levels the playing field among the riders and teams. I look forward to the fight and hope for a better result than I have had the last three years. The goal for Dakar is to win.... I expect nothing less.”
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 10, 2020, 06:53:52 pm
So will they fit a new engine to Braaiplek's bike and take the 15 minutes - just to be safe as last years mechanical DNF must be on his mind? Esp with the demise of another in the dunes today ....

The million dollar question. The way he is progressing those 15 minutes will still leave him with over 10 minutes more in reserve but he has to lead the pack tomorrow and we saw how quickly 10 minutes can be eaten up by the trailing pack. I have to believe that unless he has a major setback, the rest of the pack will struggle to get ahead of him. I suppose they will firstly have a good look at what caused Benavides motor to blow and make a call from that info. Adds some more intrique for now. Loving it :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:22:41 pm
Its horrible seeing Kevin Benavides cry at 6 minutes. he must be gutted.. :'( :'(

https://www.redbull.com/za-en/events/dakar-rally-saudi-arabia-2020/live/stage-6-dakar-rally-2020

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:30:43 pm
At least Princess Laia is doing great,  rising like cream  :3some:

from yesterday :" it’s been a very tough stage, with a very demanding last 200 km! If this is how it's going to be, a lot of things are going to happen. I decided to go at a safe pace and I am happy to have reached the finish line. It's a pity Sam Sunderland crashed because he was fighting for the victory, but the important thing is that he will recover well from his injuries. I hope he recovers quickly! "

and it's paying off :
After today : P15 Stage / stage - P18 Overall / general 😀

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on January 10, 2020, 07:32:53 pm
Video of Ross with the broken wheel... wow!  :eek7:   :thumleft:  This brings tears to my eyes.....

https://web.facebook.com/ClubAventuraTouareg/videos/598776224273679/?t=0
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 07:43:48 pm
https://carcar.news/2020/01/10/dakar-2020-d-6-flash-brabec-honda-takes-flight-sainz-mini-controls/

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, January 10, 2020. Here is a day in which the waters of the story is separate enough to allow a perspective that is plausible, trustworthy. The sixth and final stage of the first week of the Dakar, and the number 42 reserves a shot of the scene, nothing wrong, or rather two, of those who do shout to the verdict. In this case, the bar there is the ” Race to the Bike.


 
Toby Price has stopped a few kilometres from the end of the Special fast, at kilometre 425, fifty about to the finish line. For the official KTM, who had already had various slowdowns in the second part of the Special the stop, due to the failure of the rear tire, it is prolonged until the arrival of Andy Short , who has spent her wheel. It was enough for the australian to give in to the unleashed Brabec, winner for the second time in a Stage, more than a quarter of an hour.

Is the twist that it scales strongly, but does not cancel, certainly, the ambitions of the Price, and therefore those of KTM in the challenge launched by Honda. The event hides another stop resounding to Kevin Benavides, Honda, it stopped just ahead of Price for the engine failure. For the argentine, who wanted to celebrate his birthday in the perfect sharing to 25 seconds by Brabec, the Dakar number 42 becomes taboo.


 

Brabec, the sword, the Honda
Brabec, therefore, wins the Special Stage, which concluded in Riyadh after 830 miles, and he hits in the order Joan Barreda, back on a decent level of competitiveness, Mathias Walkner and Pablo Quintanilla returned also in contention for at least one of the lower steps of the podium.

Notice to John Henry, the chilean who was second in the race of the Quad and that, similarly to Kevin Benavides waits to be towed.

Beautiful the race of the Gerini, and Cerutti, well within the 15 day.

There is now a whole day to rejoice moderately, to lick their wounds and confirm or rethink the strategies to be put in place in the second and last week of the Dakar. What is certain is that the situation is outlined rather clearly in favour of Ricky “Rocky” Brabec, the american who is in charge officially to stop the series of KTM, which has lasted for 18 years, and to achieve the goal that Honda is chasing laboriously from his return, 2013, on the scene of the Rally-Raid toughest in the World.


 
Then, according to the first golden rule of the Dakar, everything is still to see.



Cars: “Peter”
Instead, rhythmic, sensual, and without the somersaults the dance of the Stroke of Drive. It looks like a film of Almodovar”, a quiet and intense. The train reverses the order of its wagons, and forges ahead towards the middle of the Stroke, continuing to reward the competitiveness of the Mini JCW Buggy up to date, and the determination of Carlos Sainz.

The Matador was taken to the heart of the matter, and he who had had the honour of closing the cycle of monopoly of the Peugeot, was back at the teeth to the idea of a new round extended domain Toyota. Strong an incomparable experience in the development of the two-wheel drive, Sainz was put to work on the Mini with the aim to replicate and reproduce the superiority of the French in the meantime withdrawn. Results aside, it is enough to see how they behave in the herbe à chameaux to realize how advanced the grasshoppers of Sven Quandt, and that advantage can have on 4 wheel drive in certain conditions.

The truth was Peterhansel who makes booty of the day, winning in front of Sainz and Al Attiyah, and by taking advantage of a duty to the advantage offered by the order of departure.


 
The new double Mini does not affect much on the overall situation, but in some ways reinforces it. Al Attiyah and Baumel are now a little less than eight minutes to Sainz and Cruz, Peterhansel and Fiuza to slightly more than double.

Al Rajhi’s, Newfoundland and Serradori, more than half-an-hour, are the first three of the waiting list in case of any chaos or the end of the World.


Alonso approved
Ah, Alonso! His rivals at the “break of the horizon” of the sixth Special, but they have long been in fifth position, with Fernando Alonso and Marc Coma may be finally admitted into the exclusive club of the Great! The talent of the bi – champion of the World of Formula 1 is formed quickly about the harsh demands of the Rally-Raid, and the talent of the Rider, 5 times winner of the Dakar, and it has adapted perfectly to the “sacrifice” of the navigation.

The most “abnormal” of the day, however, and let me tell you, is that the sixth Stage, up to the day of rest, was not so terrible as I expected. Oh, it will, of course, for many individuals, but the selection, or “filter dakariano” that was expected has only marginally shaken the structure of the Rally. Probably the highlights of the program will be after the sorbet to the middle of the race!

Rest!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2020, 07:44:30 pm
Graeme Sharp you absolute legend !!!!
Almost missed his time bar to get to bivi because of towing Ross


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2020, 08:01:52 pm


https://www.facebook.com/rossi.branch/videos/532000927407043/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 10, 2020, 08:25:21 pm
Graeme Sharp you absolute legend !!!!
Almost missed his time bar to get to bivi because of towing Ross


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Give that man a Bells  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 10, 2020, 08:43:49 pm
Our SA ladies doing well in the Rookie stakes

Of the 25 Rookies, 7 are out and our gals have been steadily rising in the Rookie rankings.

Standing 8th ( Tay) and 10th ( Kirsten ) of the Rookies

Sandwiching a Kiwi. the only only one in the Bike race

Overall 60 ( TP )and 65 ( KL )

NOT BAD   :ricky: :ricky:

Stuart Gregory is 12th Original by Motul  :thumleft:

Out of 38 starting.
10 out so far, including sadly , Wessel Bosman on stage  1
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:06:09 pm
Bloody great to see Ross made it all the way thanks to Graeme.

Graeme you legend  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:19:26 pm
I see now Honda is saying Kevin Benavides will be on the startline on Sunday I'm guessing he got towed in?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 10, 2020, 11:31:39 pm
Ross Branch:
Stage 6 ✔️- There is a reason why Dakar Rally is called the toughest race in the world! It tests both your skills and emotions and today was one of those days that didn’t go so well for me! But the true Dakar spirit showed with Fausto Mota who finished the stage and ran back about 500m and helped me push my bike across the finish line and then to my teammates @phil Wilson Dakar , Kirsten Landman for towing me to the media area and Graeme Sharp - My Dakar Safari for towing me all the way back to the Bivouac! I really thank you with all my heart and I couldn’t have finished the stage today without you! Looking forward to week 2!!
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 11, 2020, 05:25:01 am
Fark, seeing the Southern Africans standing together to make it happen for Ross gets me all teary! Fantastic and inspirational heroes!  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2020, 07:24:52 am
 :3some:  ... or the big-boned lady  8)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 11, 2020, 09:00:24 am
Its not only the level of fitness (mental and physical), endurance and dedication of these participants that truly amaze me, but even more so the compassion that they carry around in their hearts.

Beautiful to watch, not so?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Amsterdam on January 11, 2020, 09:08:30 am
This is such an upbeat video from Tase Perry reporting back on the last stage.  Really fantastic.

https://www.facebook.com/taye.perry/videos/1355982077929995/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Antonie on January 11, 2020, 09:19:28 am
Wow! That is epic! The camaraderie between the competitors is amazing.
GOOO ROOOSSSSSS!!!!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2020, 09:28:51 am
This is such an upbeat video from Tase Perry reporting back on the last stage.  Really fantastic.

https://www.facebook.com/taye.perry/videos/1355982077929995/

Yes and she has literally just got off her bike after the SS and 170km liason - just taken her helmet off and not even her riding kit ... and straight into giving her fans and followers feedback. Watch this space, watch this woman.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:15:26 am
I don't know how many of you are following the Team Races to Places over on the Africa Eco Race, but the media content they are putting out daily is just stunning. I don't get how they manage that with a media team of 2 guys where the Dakar Rally with their massive resources put out 30second clips at best and the odd 4min recap.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:18:16 am
only 2km short of the end of Stage 6, must be so devastating  :'(

Quote
Johnny Aubert being treated by the ASO medical team after falling when there were only 2 kilometers to the end of Stage 6.
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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:24:02 am
Luciano Benavides: "I wanted to give Kevin my motorcycle ..."

"Kevin was in front of me and suddenly I started to smell oil coming from his motorcycle,"

"I saw that Kevin threw himself on the side of the track. I assumed something of the engine or clutch had broken. When I stopped, Kevin turned off the motorcycle and when he turned it on again, white smoke came out everywhere from the engine."

"It was a very hard time to be with him and not be able to do anything ... I really wanted to give him my motorcycle and continue the race with her, but obviously it is something that can not be done,"

“I spent a few minutes with him, but I couldn't do anything. And I had to continue. Seeing him there in the desert was only horrible.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:30:41 am
More from advrider:

Towed to ASS by a KTM. It has happened before, not very good for publicity...

@kmbenavides
Sin poder creerlo decidí hacer lo que llevo adentro y es no bajar los brazos, en vez de llamar al helicóptero para que me busque, me quede esperando por más de dos horas hasta lograr que alguien me empuje, la mayoría no quiso +
[​IMG] Kevin Benavides
Y luego mi héroe apareció, muchas gracias Leo Cola [​IMG] @leocola_dkr20 por frenarte y ayudarme a pasar los últimos km hasta el final. Fue toda una odisea cruzar las dunas tirando con otra moto y soga [​IMG].
Rough translation:
"Still incredulous decided to follow my instinct and not lower my arms, instead of calling the helicopter I waited for more than 2 hours until someone helped me, most didn´t want to. And then my hero showed up, many thanks Leo Cola for stopping and help me complete the stage. It was an odyssey to cross the dunes towed by another bike."

https://www.dakar.com/en/competitor/135
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:31:51 am
A lot of towing yesterday. The Coronel bros also towed in a quad.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2020, 10:33:21 am
F*cking Kamaz

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN85Qy6WsAUft1u?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Cracker on January 11, 2020, 11:03:30 am
Must be quite something sitting in the front of one of those trucks, when your driver pulls one of those moves ......................  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2020, 12:01:16 pm
https://www.facebook.com/simoneromanorider/videos/499416004037382/

During Day 6 yesterday Andrew Short gave his rear tire to Toby Price and traveled the last 77 km only on the rim.
Let's recap: Toby price starts at first place thanks to the victory of day 5. around km 400, for some strange pitfall hidden under the sand, destroys his rear tire.
At this point Andrew short, left sixth (sixth not last) and Husqvarna pilot decided to give his tyre to the Australian friend.
Day 6 will end with price at eleventh position with 16.33 min from the winner (@Rickybrabec) and short 6 to 35.06 from the first in the ranking.
Magnificent gesture between two pilots who are not even from the same stable.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 11, 2020, 12:43:16 pm
https://www.facebook.com/simoneromanorider/videos/499416004037382/

During Day 6 yesterday Andrew Short gave his rear tire to Toby Price and traveled the last 77 km only on the rim.
Let's recap: Toby price starts at first place thanks to the victory of day 5. around km 400, for some strange pitfall hidden under the sand, destroys his rear tire.
At this point Andrew short, left sixth (sixth not last) and Husqvarna pilot decided to give his tyre to the Australian friend.
Day 6 will end with price at eleventh position with 16.33 min from the winner (@Rickybrabec) and short 6 to 35.06 from the first in the ranking.
Magnificent gesture between two pilots who are not even from the same stable.

I wish he’d gave it to Ross  :deal:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 11, 2020, 02:46:46 pm
Haha
No one...
Kamaz:



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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 11, 2020, 03:31:22 pm
Magnificent gesture between two pilots who are not even from the same stable.

 ;D not at all the same stable....?

Short even said after the stage that he was being a "team player".
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 11, 2020, 04:19:17 pm
I have checked for updates today, maybe a million times with the vague hope that Giniel might move up, only to remember after repeatedly reloading the page for updates that it is a rest day!

Those guys and girls, bike, quad, car and truck are tough.

I should search for a French documentary about one of the roads here in Madagascar. With respect, makes the Dakar look do-able.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: LeonDude on January 11, 2020, 08:35:29 pm
The first videos that came out did not tell the whole story, so I have not been following. All I could see was people riding sand dunes, up to the point where I was tired of people riding sand. I cannot ride sand too well, so people riding sand is great, but I did get bored after a while.
So, with the race now in full swing, seeing some action that does not involve people doing sand dunes is great, especially that short vid of Kirsten kicking ass on the gnarly desert mountain path bit.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 11, 2020, 09:28:10 pm
The first videos that came out did not tell the whole story, so I have not been following. All I could see was people riding sand dunes, up to the point where I was tired of people riding sand. I cannot ride sand too well, so people riding sand is great, but I did get bored after a while.
So, with the race now in full swing, seeing some action that does not involve people doing sand dunes is great, especially that short vid of Kirsten kicking ass on the gnarly desert mountain path bit.

Hei bra, is jy gesuip?  :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2020, 10:47:39 pm
The first videos that came out did not tell the whole story, so I have not been following. All I could see was people riding sand dunes, up to the point where I was tired of people riding sand. I cannot ride sand too well, so people riding sand is great, but I did get bored after a while.
So, with the race now in full swing, seeing some action that does not involve people doing sand dunes is great, especially that short vid of Kirsten kicking ass on the gnarly desert mountain path bit.

Hei bra, is jy gesuip?  :imaposer: :imaposer:

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 06:50:10 am
WTF RB and Bam Bam not showing at WP1?  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 07:09:42 am
They show at WP2  ::)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 07:12:14 am
They show at WP2  ::)

Modern technology  :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 12, 2020, 07:39:08 am
Brabec must be a brilliant navigator and super quick.  Take for instance the gap to him and Barreda - he started 3 min ahead of him, opening the stage and after 106km Barreda was still 38 seconds behind him. That is just incredible and I really hope the Honda motor last this time.  Strange to say that as Honda has always been for me the epitome of reliability :3some:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 12, 2020, 08:40:40 am
This thing of factory teams having "water boys" who donate bike parts to team members bothers me. It has nothing to do with sport or the "spirit of Dakar". It gives some riders a clear advantage purely on the basis of being backed up by more money. In other words, you can buy a win. When Toby Price stands on the podium, having bought his place, he won't get as much respect from me as would a Ross or a Graeme Sharp.

It means a factory rider (or any rich guy who can afford to have two or three back-up riders) can thrash his bike, not worrying about damaging it, knowing there's back-up coming along. Whereas a guy like Ross has to be more careful (hence a fraction slower) to look after his bike.

If this practice cannot be stopped, how about penalties for technical assistance? I.e. For TP getting a rear wheel from AS, he gets a 40 minute penalty?

Finally, it would be great if huge social media (like Advrider) could create and report on a category (let's call it "The Real Dakar") that excludes the big money teams. And have a trophy and prize to be handed over at a formal event.

Yeah, I know. Sunday morning madness...  :)
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: roxenz on January 12, 2020, 08:45:14 am
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 08:59:54 am
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 12, 2020, 09:01:08 am
This thing of factory teams having "water boys" who donate bike parts to team members bothers me. It has nothing to do with sport or the "spirit of Dakar". It gives some riders a clear advantage purely on the basis of being backed up by more money. In other words, you can buy a win. When Toby Price stands on the podium, having bought his place, he won't get as much respect from me as would a Ross or a Graeme Sharp.

It means a factory rider (or any rich guy who can afford to have two or three back-up riders) can thrash his bike, not worrying about damaging it, knowing there's back-up coming along. Whereas a guy like Ross has to be more careful (hence a fraction slower) to look after his bike.

If this practice cannot be stopped, how about penalties for technical assistance? I.e. For TP getting a rear wheel from AS, he gets a 40 minute penalty?

Finally, it would be great if huge social media (like Advrider) could create and report on a category (let's call it "The Real Dakar") that excludes the big money teams. And have a trophy and prize to be handed over at a formal event.

Yeah, I know. Sunday morning madness...  :)

I reckon it's all about the manufacturers, the riders simply slot into the manufacturer's goals  with a huge amount of pressure applied (on the factory riders).  It's never going to stop but I like your idea with AdvRider handing out the trophies for the best 'adventure' riders, coz that for me is what riders outside the Top 20 are.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2020, 09:17:58 am
Brabec must be a brilliant navigator and super quick.  Take for instance the gap to him and Barreda - he started 3 min ahead of him, opening the stage and after 106km Barreda was still 38 seconds behind him. That is just incredible and I really hope the Honda motor last this time.  Strange to say that as Honda has always been for me the epitome of reliability :3some:

It is a very different Barreda out there. He actually backed off instead of hunting down Benavides. He usually does exactly the opposite.  This race will end in a nailbiter despite Brabec's lead.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 12, 2020, 09:47:14 am
I see Ross is still on a rest day - provisionally 16th fastest through WP4. Yes, I realise I am being harsh but I want him to do better even if he has no chance of a top 10 overall finish anymore. A top10 result daily is still what he likely needs to pick up one of the big manufacturer spots.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 12, 2020, 09:47:33 am
Looks like the Toyotas are enjoying today’s stage
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 10:05:44 am
Toby hasn't WP5 yet? Another problem? :sip: and Gonc?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 10:07:04 am
I see Ross is still on a rest day - provisionally 16th fastest through WP4. Yes, I realise I am being harsh but I want him to do better even if he has no chance of a top 10 overall finish anymore. A top10 result daily is still what he likely needs to pick up one of the big manufacturer spots.

A bit harsh - he is runnng at about 14 on the stage.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 10:12:02 am
Two great interviews from Raceday

Kirsten!

https://www.facebook.com/racedaytv/videos/2490324794525686/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 10:13:01 am
Ross !

https://www.facebook.com/racedaytv/videos/1614580602051288/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: King Louis on January 12, 2020, 10:13:15 am
If the factory teams do not realise by now what Ross is capable of, waiting for a top 10 finish, they are blind. Simple matter, really... :patch:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 12, 2020, 10:19:41 am
I see TP still not in at WP6. Ross is in 14th in stage so far
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 10:24:19 am
I see TP still not in at WP6. Ross is in 14th in stage so far

A whole group down to Princess Laia should be in there by now? :sip:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 10:24:38 am
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 10:50:25 am
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 11:00:28 am
I see TP still not in at WP6. Ross is in 14th in stage so far

Yes where is Toby Pies?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 11:01:26 am
Expecting bad news ASO has gone very quiet, TP, Gonc, Svitko and the Princess all missing.  :sip: 
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 11:02:20 am
Expecting bad news ASO has gone very quiet, TP, Gonc, Svitko and the Princess all missing.  :sip:

 :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 11:04:59 am
Expecting bad news ASO has gone very quiet, TP, Gonc, Svitko and the Princess all missing.  :sip:

 :o

Through WP I believe  :o lost 1:20 hours  :o
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 11:05:34 am
Price through WP5 at #65 - after both Taye and Kirsten ... wonder what went down?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 11:07:36 am
Price through WP5 at #65 - wonder what went down?

Good news I hope just lost, or bike, but huge time loss.  8) No Gonc yet, hope nothing undue.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 12, 2020, 11:12:46 am
I see Ross is still on a rest day - provisionally 16th fastest through WP4. Yes, I realise I am being harsh but I want him to do better even if he has no chance of a top 10 overall finish anymore. A top10 result daily is still what he likely needs to pick up one of the big manufacturer spots.

Don’t forget he still has a separated shoulder and according to quintanilla this stage is tough on the body because it’s “fast and rugged terrain”

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 11:24:03 am
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Mooch on January 12, 2020, 11:25:46 am
I see Ross is still on a rest day - provisionally 16th fastest through WP4. Yes, I realise I am being harsh but I want him to do better even if he has no chance of a top 10 overall finish anymore. A top10 result daily is still what he likely needs to pick up one of the big manufacturer spots.

Don’t forget he still has a separated shoulder and according to quintanilla this stage is tough on the body because it’s “fast and rugged terrain”

Yea i think he will settle in quickly...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: windswept on January 12, 2020, 11:29:15 am
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(

Yep, saw that on adv,  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Chili Dog on January 12, 2020, 11:30:25 am
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(

Yep, saw that on adv,  :'(
Saw what?



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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2020, 11:31:36 am
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(

Yep, saw that on adv,  :'(
Saw what?



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Paulo Gonc, died in Stage 7 RIP.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Chili Dog on January 12, 2020, 11:32:21 am
Fuck ! No !


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 12, 2020, 11:34:24 am
Wow that is sad - don’t even want to watch anymore


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 12, 2020, 11:35:58 am


Guess KTM is not going to make that top step... kug kug....
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(

Yep, saw that on adv,  :'(

OMG, that's horrible  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 11:38:23 am
12:20 Portuguese rider Paulo Gonçalves passed away
Paulo Gonçalves, racing on motorbike no. 8, has passed away from a fall sustained 276 kilometres into today's special. The organisers received an alert at 10:08 and dispatched a medical helicopter that reached the biker at 10:16 and found him unconscious after going into cardiac arrest. Following resuscitation efforts in situ, the competitor was taken by helicopter to Layla Hospital, where he was sadly pronounced dead.
40-year-old Paulo Gonçalves was taking part in his 13th Dakar. He made his debut in 2006 and had finished four times in the top 10, including an impressive performance as runner-up to Marc Coma in 2015. Paulo Gonçalves, the 2013 cross-country rallies world champion, was sitting in 46th place overall after stage 6 of the 2020 Dakar.
The entire Dakar caravan would like to extend its sincere condolences to his friends and family.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 12, 2020, 11:38:53 am
Duplicate
RIP.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Minxy on January 12, 2020, 11:39:57 am
12:20 Portuguese rider Paulo Gonçalves passed away
Paulo Gonçalves, racing on motorbike no. 8, has passed away from a fall sustained 276 kilometres into today's special. The organisers received an alert at 10:08 and dispatched a medical helicopter that reached the biker at 10:16 and found him unconscious after going into cardiac arrest. Following resuscitation efforts in situ, the competitor was taken by helicopter to Layla Hospital, where he was sadly pronounced dead.
40-year-old Paulo Gonçalves was taking part in his 13th Dakar. He made his debut in 2006 and had finished four times in the top 10, including an impressive performance as runner-up to Marc Coma in 2015. Paulo Gonçalves, the 2013 cross-country rallies world champion, was sitting in 46th place overall after stage 6 of the 2020 Dakar.
The entire Dakar caravan would like to extend its sincere condolences to his friends and family.

Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! I am crying right now. RIP Paulo Gonçalves  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 11:43:19 am
 :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: billy-joe on January 12, 2020, 11:46:11 am
RIP :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: McSack on January 12, 2020, 11:47:24 am
Nooit!!!
RIP Gonc.
Following D2020 is just not going to be the same without him

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: lpj on January 12, 2020, 11:53:11 am
RIP  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rough Rider on January 12, 2020, 11:53:54 am
 :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 12, 2020, 11:57:32 am
That’s such sad news. What a great character. RIP Gonk
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Jacques650 on January 12, 2020, 12:06:25 pm
Terrible news, RIP!

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 12:07:38 pm
12:20 Portuguese rider Paulo Gonçalves passed away
Paulo Gonçalves, racing on motorbike no. 8, has passed away from a fall sustained 276 kilometres into today's special. The organisers received an alert at 10:08 and dispatched a medical helicopter that reached the biker at 10:16 and found him unconscious after going into cardiac arrest. Following resuscitation efforts in situ, the competitor was taken by helicopter to Layla Hospital, where he was sadly pronounced dead.
40-year-old Paulo Gonçalves was taking part in his 13th Dakar. He made his debut in 2006 and had finished four times in the top 10, including an impressive performance as runner-up to Marc Coma in 2015. Paulo Gonçalves, the 2013 cross-country rallies world champion, was sitting in 46th place overall after stage 6 of the 2020 Dakar.
The entire Dakar caravan would like to extend its sincere condolences to his friends and family.

Sad to hear , RIP
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 12:09:23 pm
12:58 Kevin Benavides done for today
Kevin Benavides has wrapped up today's special 6'35' behind teammate Joan Barreda. Give or take a few seconds, this is the same time the Argentinian biker spent trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so it will be deducted from his time this evening. As a result, the stage win is still up in the air.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2020, 12:11:43 pm
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?

In all fairness, are the KTM and Japanese engines competing on equal footing? As far as I could find out, the Yamahas and Hondas are modified stock offroad bikes, which in std trim would cost you

around R120 000 in SA, while the KTM450RR is a very special factory built rally race machine, costing R500 000.  Thoe difference should be obvious.

I heard that the 450 uses the same, stroked, crankshaft the old 690rr used. This is already a very big advantage, strength-wise.

One as to wonder, given the reliability back-draw KTM has over the Japanese, if a standard KTM 450 would even see day 2?

And this is not irrelevant to the thread, completely Dakar related.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Striggs on January 12, 2020, 12:11:57 pm
Serious lump in throat stuff...

I always wonder how it affects the other riders, his riding mates, etc.  flip it must be emotionally taxing... :-\
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: shark_za on January 12, 2020, 12:13:01 pm
Can you imagine spending and hour on the scene and then getting on your bike and racing to the finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 12, 2020, 12:13:32 pm
RIP Paulo Gonçalves. You were a fine competitor and a pleasure to watch you practise your mastery at the sport I love so much. You will be sorely missed. Condolences to your family, friends and everyone that will mourn your loss.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2020, 12:13:36 pm
Rest in peace Paolo.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 12, 2020, 12:14:03 pm
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?

In all fairness, are the KTM and Japanese engines competing on equal footing? As far as I could find out, the Yamahas and Hondas are modified stock offroad bikes, which in std trim would cost you

around R120 000 in SA, while the KTM450RR is a very special factory built rally race machine, costing R500 000.  Thoe difference should be obvious.

I heard that the 450 uses the same, stroked, crankshaft the old 690rr used. This is already a very big advantage, strength-wise.

One as to wonder, given the reliability back-draw KTM has over the Japanese, if a standard KTM 450 would even see day 2?

And this is not irrelevant to the thread, completely Dakar related.

There is at least one standard exc competing this year and also a few in past years. I think it survived beyond day 2
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: King Louis on January 12, 2020, 12:18:34 pm
May he rest in peace.... :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Striggs on January 12, 2020, 12:20:09 pm
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?

In all fairness, are the KTM and Japanese engines competing on equal footing? As far as I could find out, the Yamahas and Hondas are modified stock offroad bikes, which in std trim would cost you

around R120 000 in SA, while the KTM450RR is a very special factory built rally race machine, costing R500 000.  Thoe difference should be obvious.

I heard that the 450 uses the same, stroked, crankshaft the old 690rr used. This is already a very big advantage, strength-wise.

One as to wonder, given the reliability back-draw KTM has over the Japanese, if a standard KTM 450 would even see day 2?

And this is not irrelevant to the thread, completely Dakar related.

Why would they spend millions of dollars on preparing and entering a team for the event and then use "std" bikes? Seems a bit foolish to me? Would I take a std 450 with extra tanks to the Dakar? Not if I could help it and if I could afford the RR, that would be my choice, as my aim would be to finish.

Would be interesting to see how many non RR KTM's are entered into the event and how many would/have lasted or not.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Tyre kicker on January 12, 2020, 12:22:03 pm
RIP PauloConcalves  :'(

You were always one of my favourites to watch and I also believe that you could have and should have won the Dakar previously despite having finished second.

You have had your bad luck previously, more so than others but you never gave up.

You were a stalwart and a gentleman and gave it everything you had.

Dakar will never be the same without you. :'(

RIP My Champion!!! :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 12:44:10 pm
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?

In all fairness, are the KTM and Japanese engines competing on equal footing? As far as I could find out, the Yamahas and Hondas are modified stock offroad bikes, which in std trim would cost you

around R120 000 in SA, while the KTM450RR is a very special factory built rally race machine, costing R500 000.  Thoe difference should be obvious.

I heard that the 450 uses the same, stroked, crankshaft the old 690rr used. This is already a very big advantage, strength-wise.

One as to wonder, given the reliability back-draw KTM has over the Japanese, if a standard KTM 450 would even see day 2?

And this is not irrelevant to the thread, completely Dakar related.

All the KTM’s are built in Room 5 at the factory  and are basically blueprinted motors , the big difference with KTM is that they are the only factory that sell their bikes to privateers , the others brands are all factory or factory supported machinery .
Last year I know Honda had problems and I can guarantee the Japanese have been putting in plenty of overtime to ensure the reliability of their bikes , I am just curious as to what actually went wrong , was it a mechanical meltdown due to component failure or was it due to an outside factor , as I mentioned , a punctured radiator or something else that could affect reliability .
To what extent are the engines sealed , I know that oil changes are allowed , what about valve clearance checks , clutch replacement ?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 12, 2020, 12:45:07 pm
Damn this is sad!! :( :'(
RIP. :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Takashi on January 12, 2020, 01:00:42 pm
I am devastated.... I have always liked him.

We seem to underestimate just how dangerous riding at those speeds are.

Toby has said in previous interviews that they are risking their lives out there every day.
That really has hit home today.

RIP Paulo
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2020, 01:03:32 pm
Nooooo not Gonk.
Im devastated. Gutted.
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 01:14:30 pm
Yes was a very experienced, talented yet humble rider - real gentleman and old school Dakar rider. He will be sorely missed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 01:25:07 pm
14:14 Price finishes the stage
Toby Price has finished stage 7 in a time 1 h and 23 minutes slower than Barreda's. However, the Australian spent a long time trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so his actual position will be calculated later today, as will Štefan Svitko's.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: King Louis on January 12, 2020, 01:33:05 pm
14:14 Price finishes the stage
Toby Price has finished stage 7 in a time 1 h and 23 minutes slower than Barreda's. However, the Australian spent a long time trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so his actual position will be calculated later today, as will Štefan Svitko's.
Now that makes Toby and Stefan my true Dakar heroes.....irrespective of where they finish.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 01:38:09 pm
 :thumleft:
14:14 Price finishes the stage
Toby Price has finished stage 7 in a time 1 h and 23 minutes slower than Barreda's. However, the Australian spent a long time trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so his actual position will be calculated later today, as will Štefan Svitko's.
Now that makes Toby and Stefan my true Dakar heroes.....irrespective of where they finish.

+100 absolutely, just goes to show the quality of the people who do the Dakar, from the front runners to the rear guards, i salute them all !!

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 12, 2020, 01:44:32 pm
RIP GONK !!!
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 12, 2020, 01:49:53 pm
14:14 Price finishes the stage
Toby Price has finished stage 7 in a time 1 h and 23 minutes slower than Barreda's. However, the Australian spent a long time trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so his actual position will be calculated later today, as will Štefan Svitko's.
Now that makes Toby and Stefan my true Dakar heroes.....irrespective of where they finish.
Not to take anything away from these 2 gentleman - but I belief any sane person that had to go past such a serious accident scene - would have stopped and tried to help...
It must be tough for the rest of the competitors to stay focussed now...  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 01:59:51 pm
14:14 Price finishes the stage
Toby Price has finished stage 7 in a time 1 h and 23 minutes slower than Barreda's. However, the Australian spent a long time trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, so his actual position will be calculated later today, as will Štefan Svitko's.
Now that makes Toby and Stefan my true Dakar heroes.....irrespective of where they finish.
Not to take anything away from these 2 gentleman - but I belief any sane person that had to go past such a serious accident scene - would have stopped and tried to help...
It must be tough for the rest of the competitors to stay focussed now...  :'(

One of the rules in enduro’s is that anyone coming across a competitor in distress has to stop and help , irrespective of your position , if another competitor or Marshall arrives then you may depart .
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 12, 2020, 02:09:27 pm
Fukking terrible news. What a man, what a legend of the sport. RIP Gonc!!

A harsh reminder of the risks of the sport that we all dab into. Our passion & comaradery shines through, but still a kak one to digest..
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: skydiver on January 12, 2020, 02:14:18 pm
This is very sad news about Paulo. RIP.  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: lpj on January 12, 2020, 02:20:58 pm
 :salut:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Sheepman on January 12, 2020, 02:24:59 pm
Very bad  :'( - that's the reality of  racing - inherently dangerous, that's why we love it so much  :(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: alli on January 12, 2020, 02:35:10 pm
15:20 Kevin Benavides declared the winner
Kevin Benavides bounced back from the hellish experience of stage 6, when he lost his engine and waved goodbye to his overall prospects, by taking his first stage win since the start of the rally. The Argentinian was deducted the time spent trying to help Paulo Gonçalves, putting him 1'23' ahead of Joan Barreda in the stage classification.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: I&horse on January 12, 2020, 03:24:59 pm
RIP Gonc, a hero on a Hero  :'( :'(

https://youtu.be/eytX1dXR4i4
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 12, 2020, 03:37:07 pm
According to Toby’s Instagram he was the first to reach Gonc. Shame that’s rough.

RIP
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 12, 2020, 03:39:04 pm
Paolo Gonçalves a Dakar legend, now a tragedy. So inspiring over the years.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2020, 05:30:14 pm
Today’s results
1 .  K . Benavides
2  . Barreda
3  . Walkner
4  . L . Benavides
5  . Brabec
6  . Florimo
7  . Price
8  . Quintanilla
9  . Short
10. Caimi

So Ricky extends his lead , Toby a bit close to Quintanilla
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2020, 06:05:10 pm
 A Legend has left us.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2020, 06:36:27 pm
This is so wrong - such an allround nice guy with such a bad streak of luck. The mudgate where he pulled Despres out of the mud and was left behind, the bike that caught fire, being always overlooked for Barreda - even though his results at least matched BangBang, changing engine on stage by himself. And yet never giving up and always smiling.

Rest in peace Paolo, you will be sorely missed.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Glacier on January 12, 2020, 06:54:56 pm
I see stage 8 has been cancelled for bikes and quads to allow riders to mourn.

RIP  :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Highsider on January 12, 2020, 07:03:21 pm
Such sad news. 


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 12, 2020, 07:13:34 pm
Fuck. Been offline all day, this is terrible news. RIP Gonk, always such a great rider to follow at Dakar  :salut:

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 12, 2020, 07:14:36 pm
Regarding the engine's being sealed etc, basically top en work can be done without any penalties same as the rest of the regular service. Bottom-end work is seen as an engine change.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rossdog on January 12, 2020, 07:26:54 pm
Terrible news. Rest in peace.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Edgar on January 12, 2020, 07:44:39 pm
Very sad news indeed. RIP
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Edgar on January 12, 2020, 07:57:40 pm
 :'(

https://youtu.be/-wQPXD3wlFo
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 12, 2020, 08:01:45 pm
:'(

https://youtu.be/-wQPXD3wlFo

That was 2016 crash.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 12, 2020, 08:02:27 pm
https://youtu.be/Nb3wIxwj9mU
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Edgar on January 12, 2020, 08:03:04 pm
:'(

https://youtu.be/-wQPXD3wlFo

That was 2016 crash.

Oh sorry, my GF sent me the video clip.

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 12, 2020, 08:17:18 pm
:'(

https://youtu.be/-wQPXD3wlFo

That was 2016 crash.

Oh sorry, my GF sent me the video clip.

No sweat Edgar.
He got up from that crash and continued.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Ross Riddle on January 12, 2020, 08:32:17 pm
Such sad news.
It also does bring you back to reality and shows how dangerous this sport can be.
My heart goes out to his family.
May he Rest In Peace.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 12, 2020, 08:40:17 pm
Fuck RIP Gonc.  :'(

Definitely too sad................RIP Gonc.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2020, 09:20:46 pm
Looks like KenBen has a point to prove this morning.

Ja he is proving to Honda their lack of engine reliability fucked him over as it did Ricky last year. I am assuming they decided their Ricky engine will last the distance and did not do a swap.

There are way too many variables to blame any manufacturer on engine reliability , and we don’t and probably never will find out what went wrong with KB’s engine , it might have been due to something as simple as a holed radiator .
I am pretty certain that Honda would have gone through it RB’s engine already to make sure it is ok .
Question though , it is very easy to do a rebuild on one of those engines in a day , so if for example RB’s engine was rebuilt yesterday does he still incur the penalty seeing as it is essentially the same engine ?

Engines are sealed.

I was merely noting that on two consecutive years Honda have had front runners fail due to mechanical failure. When did this last happen to KTM?

In all fairness, are the KTM and Japanese engines competing on equal footing? As far as I could find out, the Yamahas and Hondas are modified stock offroad bikes, which in std trim would cost you

around R120 000 in SA, while the KTM450RR is a very special factory built rally race machine, costing R500 000.  Thoe difference should be obvious.

I heard that the 450 uses the same, stroked, crankshaft the old 690rr used. This is already a very big advantage, strength-wise.

One as to wonder, given the reliability back-draw KTM has over the Japanese, if a standard KTM 450 would even see day 2?

And this is not irrelevant to the thread, completely Dakar related.

Why would they spend millions of dollars on preparing and entering a team for the event and then use "std" bikes? Seems a bit foolish to me? Would I take a std 450 with extra tanks to the Dakar? Not if I could help it and if I could afford the RR, that would be my choice, as my aim would be to finish.

Would be interesting to see how many non RR KTM's are entered into the event and how many would/have lasted or not.

It would indeed be foolish for KTM riders to use the untested standard bikes if a factory special-spec rally is available. It would be like racing a CBR1000, modified, in the MotoGP against pukka factory machines.

I am simply pointing out that the Japs, to their own detriment, is not developing one-off factory rally bikes, but modified showroom ones.

Keep it in mind when comparing "reliability".
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 12, 2020, 09:26:46 pm
I'm still so gutted. :'(

I went to look at some of photos that I posted in the 2013 Dakar when he and Joan Barreda were team mates at Speedbrain on Huskeys.

They were also team mates on Honda for 5 years and this year Paula Goncalves joined his Brother in law J Rod at Hero.

How devastated his co-rider friends must be.

What an incredibly sad shocking day for a Dakar Rally that has been, on the whole, going so well.

 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 12, 2020, 09:36:16 pm
I see Ross was also at the scene lying on his arms
https://youtu.be/Nb3wIxwj9mU

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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 12, 2020, 09:43:54 pm
2nd in 2015
https://youtu.be/_3ZNpl6ge4U
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Bubby on January 12, 2020, 09:59:13 pm
Paulo Stage 3 changing engines
https://youtu.be/dFydwzLowsY
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dutchie on January 12, 2020, 10:01:21 pm




Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: windswept on January 12, 2020, 10:28:17 pm
 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: JustBendIt on January 13, 2020, 06:39:03 am
RIP Gonk ...gone to race the big rally in the sky
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: boland on January 13, 2020, 06:41:00 am
Saw this on Instagram. Robby Gordon obviously has some beef with Dakar :lol8:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2020, 06:59:20 am
fixing water pipes yesterday and only heard late afternoon about Gonk, what a nice guy- real sad :'(. Read somewhere Price stayed with him till the medics took him away
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: wiledog_X on January 13, 2020, 08:01:09 am
RIP Goncalves..... eish, this is sad news.   :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rough Rider on January 13, 2020, 08:05:51 am
I see Ross was also at the scene lying on his arms
https://youtu.be/Nb3wIxwj9mU

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They got some distance over a relatively small jump just before he crashed, shows the speed they were doing at that stage.
I wonder if was a cervical spine injury and note that he changed from a Leatt to an Alpine Star neck brace for this year.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2020, 08:13:01 am
I see Ross was also at the scene lying on his arms
https://youtu.be/Nb3wIxwj9mU

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They got some distance over a relatively small jump just before he crashed, shows the speed they were doing at that stage.
I wonder if was a cervical spine injury and note that he changed from a Leatt to an Alpine Star neck brace for this year.

Would be interesting to see a postmortem on his injuries, to see if the neckbrace did not perhaps cause his death?
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Firecoast on January 13, 2020, 08:22:39 am
Shame, this is very sad.

RIP Paulo!  :'(

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 13, 2020, 08:23:12 am
So sad, what a man. He was always smiling  :'( :'(

Heard on the radio this morning it was cardiac arrest, but regardless - he has finished his race; Rest in peace  :angel2:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: evansv on January 13, 2020, 08:32:39 am
He was always smiling  [/size]


Agreed 100%!!


RIP
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: AdventureBoy on January 13, 2020, 08:52:04 am
I really felt for Toby Price yesterday. He was at the accident for over an hour and then had to get back on his bike and race the rest of the stage. He must have known the outcome of the accident. That must have been mentally a very tough thing to do.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Numsch on January 13, 2020, 09:23:55 am
I really felt for Toby Price yesterday. He was at the accident for over an hour and then had to get back on his bike and race the rest of the stage. He must have known the outcome of the accident. That must have been mentally a very tough thing to do.

You could see he was devastated at the finish walking away to his crew.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kortbroek on January 13, 2020, 09:48:36 am
I really felt for Toby Price yesterday. He was at the accident for over an hour and then had to get back on his bike and race the rest of the stage. He must have known the outcome of the accident. That must have been mentally a very tough thing to do.

He helped carry him to the heli, so ja  :'(

Toby Price:
Yesterday’s stage was starting well, great pace and feeling good on the bike until the refuel.
Paulo took off into the stage about 5 minutes before me and the worst case had happened. I come over a small crest and seen a rider down and was Paulo. Worst fears kicked in cause I knew this one was serious. I called for help ASAP and helped get him on his side (plus more serious checks). Tried calling for more help and by this stage @stefansvitko (also a champion) had arrived and helping where he could. The first helicopter arrive and @luc_alphand_skiator was starting to help and as the medical helicopter arrive they were already on CPR and the doctors got to our sides and work all they could. Helping holding drip bags, getting bags of medical equipment and guiding other riders around a bad scene. We all worked as long as we could but there was nothing we could do. I helped assist carrying him to the helicopter as it was the right thing to do. I was first at his side and wanted to be the last to leave.
We will miss you’re smile and laughter in the bivouac #speedy
My last 250km of special stage was tough, I’m dehydrated from tears.
At the moment I’m not even worried about the result, I couldn’t care.
Many thoughts with family and friends on this day, we don’t start the rally day 8 for bike #8 in respect to family and friends and the loss of a HERO..
Thankyou to everyone for the messages of support worldwide, especially Portugal with all the kind things. We are human and this is nothing but just a race, I would give up all my wins to have any of my fellow racing mates back with us..
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rufus115 on January 13, 2020, 10:27:29 am
Fr that message alone, TP should win the race, for being more human than human.....
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2020, 11:00:48 am
Toby has been mentioning the pressure and risking your life etc - won’t be surprised if he retires from bikes soon.

I would. Go out as one of the greats and spend time with your family -

toby was devastated after the stage - as we all would be...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Xpat on January 13, 2020, 11:23:55 am
Toby has been mentioning the pressure and risking your life etc - won’t be surprised if he retires from bikes soon.

I would. Go out as one of the greats and spend time with your family -

toby was devastated after the stage - as we all would be...

He might or might not retire from bikes, but I'm pretty sure he will not stop racing but eventually move on to cars. If you look on his facebook site, nowadays most of the content is him racing 'trucks' in Finke and elsewhere - he rarely posts anything about bikes outside Dakar season. So he will most probably pull Peterhansel (well nowadays even Despres, Coma or indeed Alfie Cox).

I would bet good money that he is not going to stop racing. He had two very serious crashes himself that almost left him paraplegic and lost good mate Kurt Caselli - raising star in Dakar - racing Baja. I think once it is in your blood, it is very hard to stop.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rough Rider on January 13, 2020, 11:45:36 am
So sad, what a man. He was always smiling  :'( :'(

Heard on the radio this morning it was cardiac arrest, but regardless - he has finished his race; Rest in peace  :angel2:

I would imagine that the cardiac arrest was consequential.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2020, 12:05:22 pm
Agree - I also don’t think he will stop racing.

Much much safer in a car
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 13, 2020, 12:40:33 pm
Saw this on Instagram. Robby Gordon obviously has some beef with Dakar :lol8:

He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 13, 2020, 12:46:09 pm
Saw this on Instagram. Robby Gordon obviously has some beef with Dakar :lol8:

He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...
And to date no Yank has won the Dakar. Guess if it does not happen in their world it does not matter.
Hope Brabec can do it this year. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2020, 01:10:06 pm
Saw this on Instagram. Robby Gordon obviously has some beef with Dakar :lol8:

He cant spell either  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Leo on January 13, 2020, 01:10:09 pm
He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: Yip, one would think he knows the difference between there and their  :deal:

I guess he's just a mechanic and these things doesn't bother him   :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2020, 01:11:13 pm
This has to be the most exciting and emotional Dakar.. the times these guys are posting for the distances they are travelling is mindblowing.. loving it
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Breekbeen on January 13, 2020, 01:57:15 pm
This has to be the most exciting and emotional Dakar.. the times these guys are posting for the distances they are travelling is mindblowing.. loving it

They said that Carlos Sainz was averaging 130km/h on the spesial.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: mox on January 13, 2020, 02:50:20 pm
I hear Hero MotoSports Team Rally have pulled out of the rest of the Dakar.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2020, 03:49:16 pm
Watched  some stuff on You tube about Sam Sunderland and Toby Price on the weekend- what nice down to earth people- Sam staying in France with girlfriend/wife Florence van Beveren, sister of Adrian and she works for the Yamaha Dakar team going to all the these events.  You can sense the tongue in cheek teasing.

Toby and all his crashes and just comes back smiling, i suppose these are the things that make them what they are.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Brink on January 13, 2020, 04:10:32 pm
RIP Gonk,,,,,


He was on the mend from a raptured spleen and an abrupt stop (crash) could have caused massive internal bleeding = cardiac arrest???

Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Brink on January 13, 2020, 04:12:03 pm
In better news - Century Racing Buggy (SA) first privateer to win stage in about 10 years,,,,,
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2020, 04:24:56 pm
Ross update
https://www.facebook.com/639925622/posts/10162780354490623/


Biggest  team on Dakar
https://www.facebook.com/motulza/videos/792530817916772/
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rooikoos on January 13, 2020, 05:00:49 pm
In better news - Century Racing Buggy (SA) first privateer to win stage in about 10 years,,,,,


And the headlines on News24 and Supersport: “Alonso second on Dakar stage 8”

Sucks to compete with the big guys


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Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2020, 05:49:05 pm
He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: Yip, one would think he knows the difference between there and their  :deal:

I guess he's just a mechanic and these things doesn't bother him   :ricky: :ricky:

 :xxbah:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Dux on January 13, 2020, 06:23:57 pm
Watched  some stuff on You tube about Sam Sunderland and Toby Price on the weekend- what nice down to earth people- Sam staying in France with girlfriend/wife Florence van Beveren, sister of Adrian and she works for the Yamaha Dakar team going to all the these events.  You can sense the tongue in cheek teasing.

Toby and all his crashes and just comes back smiling, i suppose these are the things that make them what they are.

Not taking anything away from Sam and Toby , but I must admit that every international competitor I have met has been really cool and down to earth , I generally find more attitude at regional MX .
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Clockwork Orange on January 13, 2020, 06:51:52 pm
Watched  some stuff on You tube about Sam Sunderland and Toby Price on the weekend- what nice down to earth people- Sam staying in France with girlfriend/wife Florence van Beveren, sister of Adrian and she works for the Yamaha Dakar team going to all the these events.  You can sense the tongue in cheek teasing.

Toby and all his crashes and just comes back smiling, i suppose these are the things that make them what they are.

Not taking anything away from Sam and Toby , but I must admit that every international competitor I have met has been really cool and down to earth , I generally find more attitude at regional MX .

Aint that the truth
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: XRRX on January 13, 2020, 07:20:58 pm
In better news - Century Racing Buggy (SA) first privateer to win stage in about 10 years,,,,,


And the headlines on News24 and Supersport: “Alonso second on Dakar stage 8”

Sucks to compete with the big guys


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I would say it is because Alonso is the famous person in the locally built "mighty Toyota HILUX"!!!  >:D
... and Toyota SA has an obvious huge influence in our media - especially anything with a 24 in the name... :peepwall:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 13, 2020, 07:59:30 pm
He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: Yip, one would think he knows the difference between there and their  :deal:

I guess he's just a mechanic and these things doesn't bother him   :ricky: :ricky:

Not a very nice thing to say Leo.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 13, 2020, 08:29:42 pm
He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: Yip, one would think he knows the difference between there and their  :deal:

I guess he's just a mechanic and these things doesn't bother him   :ricky: :ricky:

Not a very nice thing to say Leo.

Dink darem nie die ou het dit neerhalend bedoel nie,  bedoel maar net n mechanic is dalk minder gefokus op spelling as n professor in literatuur. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2020, 08:49:48 pm
He is not going to win any prizes for his spelling soon...


 :imaposer: :imaposer: Yip, one would think he knows the difference between there and their  :deal:

I guess he's just a mechanic and these things doesn't bother him   :ricky: :ricky:

Not a very nice thing to say Leo.

Dink darem nie die ou het dit neerhalend bedoel nie,  bedoel maar net n mechanic is dalk minder gefokus op spelling as n professor in literatuur. :thumleft:

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2020, 10:06:08 pm
The Dakar is richer for Gonks death.

A strange, but necessary condition of being human is that unearned valour is worthless. To be worthy of the test, sometimes requires that the test be worthy of bettering even the best.

It's a badge of honour to have tested oneself against the very edge of whats possible and finished. So many get to the start line and find themselves wanting, either through bad luck or simply not being worthy.

In a glorious way, his and those who've sadly gone before, have given their lives to something magnificent that only makes attaining the finish line for those who make it, all the sweeter.

A Dakar finishers medal will always hold so much more value because of his and their passing.

Rest easy Racer Man, your death was not in vain.
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: Rynet on January 13, 2020, 10:22:23 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/price-goncalves-fatal-crash-hero/4650964/

By:
Rachit Thukral

Co-author: Sergio Lillo
 Jan 13, 2020, 3:05 PM

KTM rider Toby Price says the eight minutes he spent waiting for the medical helicopter to arrive at the scene of Paulo Goncalves’ fatal Dakar Rally crash were the “longest of my life".
Price was the first to attend Hero rider Goncalves’ after he fell off his bike on Sunday’s seventh stage between Riyadh and Wadi Al Dawasir and suffered a cardiac arrest.
Dakar organiser ASO received an alert about Goncalves’ crash at 10:08am local time and a medical helicopter was soon dispatched, landing at the site eight minutes later at 10:16am.
The Portuguese rider was found to be unconscious when the medical team arrived and he was subsequently airlifted to Layla hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Since then, ASO has cancelled Stage 8 for bikes and quads, while Goncalves’ team Hero has withdrawn from the remainder of the event.

“[The crash] was on a big fast plateau, big fast piste,” Price explained. “Yeah, it was pretty much wide open, full gas, and just pretty much right at the last-minute the alarm on the GPS system went off and as I looked up, I saw a bike laying out in the distance.
“It’s never good because the area we were was at quite a high speed. And then to arrive and see Paulo on the ground - at first I didn’t quite know who it was, I just knew it was a rider down and then I quickly realised it was Paulo.
“I knew it was quite serious, he was in quite a bad way. We tried to do everything we could, trying to get a response from him. We called the helicopters and informed the race control as soon as possible.
“I tried to get him onto his side because it was a lot of issues with him on his back the way he was. Then we continued to try and call for help, we had response [that] the helicopter was on the way.

“We just tried to do everything we could and check all the vitals. Unfortunately there was no response [from him], and we were just trying to hope and wish the helicopter would get there very very quickly.
“The longest eight minutes of my life for sure - it felt like an hour. The guys, they responded very quickly, and Luc [Alphand, former Dakar champion working for French TV] was there, was also helping us and trying to comfort me.

“And [Stefan] Svitko, he arrived a couple of minutes after I did. So it was a little group of us trying to do as much we could and unfortunately it's not the best outcome of the situation - it’s a hard day for the motorcycling world, losing a great friend and a great competitor.”
Price said it gives him “comfort” that he compromised his own rally to assist Goncalves, and that he has taken his focus off the results in the wake of the Portuguese rider’s fatal incident.
The defending champion sits fourth in the overall classifications heading into Stage 9 on Tuesday, 28 minutes down on standings leader Ricky Brabec (Honda).

“I’m just happy we stayed there, as long as we could, that’s kind of what gives me comfort,” he said.
“I remember him [Goncalves] stopping for me in 2017 when I broke my leg in Dakar, and was just a bit of the right thing to do for him and we helped him getting into the helicopter and took me another 15-20 odd minutes to re-gather myself and get back on the bike.
“At least I knew I was there and tried to comfort him as much as possible, and thoughts and prayers go to his family and friends and everyone in Portugal. They lost a good warrior, that’s for sure.

“At the end of the day, I’ll do this any day of the week. For sure it’s an important race, but at the end of the day it’s only just a race. We are all human and we are all here to look after each other.

“We just need to try and regroup now and get to the finish line ourselves, do our best result this weekend for Paulo.

But for sure the result at the moment is not so good, I guess I’m not too concerned on this. I would rather have Paulo here in the bivouac with us any day of the week.”


 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dakar 2020
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2020, 10:34:22 pm
The Dakar is richer for Gonks death.

A strange, but necessary condition of being human is that unearned valour is worthless. To be worthy of the test, sometimes requires that the test be wor