Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 11:13:33 am
The Southern route track is here, note many sections has not been ridden by anyone so please send feedback if you do :deal:
https://mlasset-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/jacquesb_mlasset_onmicrosoft_com/EZEFOc75Hv5Fttj7b7riWvoBkAcFk_fR_iA5aIJTGCtGoQ?e=kPWhv0
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Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 11:50:32 am
I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 07, 2019, 11:56:25 am
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Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:11:18 pm
My ears pricked up :sip: who is planning the route?Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 12:15:54 pm
My ears pricked up :sip: who is planning the route?Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.
And the other way on the way back....... >:D
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:16:52 pm
:thumleft:My ears pricked up :sip: who is planning the route?Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.
And the other way on the way back....... >:D
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Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 12:19:15 pm
:thumleft:My ears pricked up :sip: who is planning the route?Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.
And the other way on the way back....... >:D
I have to reload T4A - it's gone all square on MapSource and Basecamp - no iea whats happening there, so no planning from me today......
Post by: Gerrard on October 07, 2019, 12:45:17 pm
Post by: BuRP on October 07, 2019, 12:46:56 pm
Post by: Grunder on October 07, 2019, 12:52:37 pm
Rode a 701 from Cape Town to Nelspruit, almost exclusively on dirt- covered 2800 km in 7 days
So now a route only has to be calculated from Nelspruit to Musina :deal:
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:57:27 pm
Dotcoza taken already
Post by: Cracker on October 07, 2019, 01:54:08 pm
Would really be interesting to see how much dirt be done zigzagging from Alexanderbay to Pongola keeping to as close to the coast as possible.
Now, that would be a good one ......................... :thumleft:
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 11:38:49 am
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......
I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
Here's the Parys/De-Aar section....
Post by: MillionMiles on October 08, 2019, 11:52:38 am
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Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:07:51 pm
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 02:15:01 pm
I completed the TSAT, someone can design stickers so long :deal: We really are lucky in SA as I was checking the map you can go from the dry Boababs in the north to the green rolling hills of Mpumalanga then onto the Midlands into proper forests in Hogsback then the vast expanses of the Karoo ending by the sea in WC 8) I reckon the end / start of the route should be Cape Point
Pics or it didnt happen......
Or at the very least, a RR??
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:17:48 pm
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:19:18 pm
Post by: Grunder on October 08, 2019, 02:20:44 pm
What would you guys say will be must see places on the route ? Look at this pic from Michnus (Port St Johns) 8)
Well if we had a route and direction then we could start plotting must see places.
- Knysna peaks to the east
- Namaqua flowers to the north (from Cape Point obviously)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 02:23:53 pm
Somewhere I have a coastal circumnavigation as well.....
Post by: NearlyThere on October 11, 2019, 01:52:02 pm
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2019, 09:26:28 am
Going to go an look on an old computer now for it.
Post by: Brink on October 13, 2019, 12:00:56 pm
:thumleft:
Post by: WNaude on October 13, 2019, 04:50:06 pm
Count me in sidetrack.
Always been on my bucket list.
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Post by: ROOI on October 14, 2019, 07:54:36 am
I completed the TSAT, someone can design stickers so long :deal: We really are lucky in SA as I was checking the map you can go from the dry Boababs in the north to the green rolling hills of Mpumalanga then onto the Midlands into proper forests in Hogsback then the vast expanses of the Karoo ending by the sea in WC 8) I reckon the end / start of the route should be Cape PointPls send e-mail
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 14, 2019, 08:43:37 am
I have a lot of tracks somewhere that need to be pre-run that I started putting together for Alex before he started getting serious with Amageza. It was a lot of km but I got from Port Nolloth all the way to Messina and then over through the old Transvaal Drakensberg to Badplaas with very little tar.
Going to go an look on an old computer now for it.
I can put it together if you want to email them to me?
steven (@) majita.co.za
Post by: XT JOE on April 05, 2020, 09:55:34 pm
Ive been catching up on on rides and reads and U tubeing a bit thanks to 5G lockdown- and have always wondered if we had or have planned a cris cross or cross SA routes. We definitely have got the roads but its those hidden jewels thats not always general knowledge that can make the difference. Imagine a two week ride and you can see Klein Karoo/Swartbergpass/Baviaanskloof and then some EC rural through Grahamstown area then onwards for a Transkei to Natal midlands around Swaziland up Mpumalanga curving left through Limpopo then down the N/West to Northern Province running south here over Groot Karoo or something like that. Should be pretty do able with guys from each province adding in routes through their area and them we stick it together adding in B&B's, camp sites, fuel, spares back up etc if required anywhere. Any thoughts
battling to load the correct TET map but you what im on about
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 05, 2020, 10:07:37 pm
Ek is al so lus vir langpad ek sny sommer die gras.
Post by: katana on April 05, 2020, 10:33:01 pm
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Post by: Gerrard on April 06, 2020, 09:28:53 am
Post by: Dorsland on April 06, 2020, 09:50:58 am
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on April 06, 2020, 01:33:05 pm
Some long while back I wrote a route for a Dog in KZN, mostly gravel, that takes you through all the Karoo's. He took nine days to do it.
That sounds like an awesome gesture
Post by: Gerrard on April 06, 2020, 02:20:33 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
Definitely possible in fact we have enough dirt to create maybe four routes coast to coast. The most difficult part is what to include and what to leave out ! I rode from Kroonstad FS to Winburg for example almost all on dirt just from service roads and that is not even an area usually visited by the DS crowd.
Post by: Dorsland on April 07, 2020, 02:42:03 pm
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Post by: Ventana on April 07, 2020, 04:59:09 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 05:15:29 pm
This may well be a thread worth reviving. It seems the latest iteration of this idea http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=246850.new;topicseen#new could possibly be combined with this fred?Good idea
Post by: skydiver on April 07, 2020, 07:36:19 pm
Post by: Sprocketbek on April 07, 2020, 08:14:22 pm
From what I recall they kept along the breedtegraad, and arranged access to private land. In total they did less than 10 km of tar, and stuck to the straight line as far as possible.
Was an amazing trip :thumleft:
Post by: mike gs on April 07, 2020, 08:18:59 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 10:33:40 pm
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 08, 2020, 08:25:32 am
Post by: gser on April 08, 2020, 09:01:59 am
How about along the entire coast line and along our northern border with Nam , Bot , Zim and along the Kruger Park and mSwati (Swaziland) . . . .to boarder post with Moz at Kosibaai ...
That route can be started and ended along any point .....
Post by: MildlyWild on April 08, 2020, 02:54:45 pm
So I will follow this for one day, but in the meantime will try and put together the awesome-est 4-5 day round trip from CT
#keepthedreamalive
Post by: JC on April 08, 2020, 03:13:45 pm
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......
I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
@kalahariben organised that. The GPS I used is long gone though...
He once planned a Gauteng to Durban dirt route, thing the Quads for Kwads did the route???
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 04:16:22 pm
I made the start point Musina and Cape Agulhas the end point. Three routes will be possible. One running East to West through the Northern Cape / Ricthersveld and down the West Coast. Second up and over Lesotho then south west and the third passing below Lesotho both heading west.
Bushveld
Magoebaskloof
Kaapsehoop MP
Paulpietersburg plantations
Passes of North East KZN
Eastern Freestate (when passing below Lesotho this can be the Midlands)
Dropping down to Hogsback
Coming back via Grootrivier and Baviaans
Karoo
Tankwa Karoo
Last bit down part of the West Coast
I would guess you would need about 2 weeks, no idea about mileage so far. Maybe 4000-5000km ?
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 08, 2020, 04:50:44 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:27:04 pm
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?
All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:29:08 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:36:37 pm
Post by: Grunder on April 08, 2020, 10:54:19 pm
I registered a domain and some hosting as it was not too expensive, heck it's a start. Working on some routes but it's taking ages. Most will have to be verified as one cannot always go on Google Earth to see gates etc. Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.Well WD sharing is a good place to start. Then when people start moving on the roads you can get a feel of what the opinions are of the local farmers about the traffic. Then it can go bigger from there.
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?
All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
I would love the tracks for this. 3500km stretch is a bit much for me but the part from Bloem to Baufort west looks very attractive
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 11:18:25 pm
It misses Bloem and goes further south through Winburg starting near Henneman. I have ridden this track and know it's good. No gates or dead ends.I registered a domain and some hosting as it was not too expensive, heck it's a start. Working on some routes but it's taking ages. Most will have to be verified as one cannot always go on Google Earth to see gates etc. Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.Well WD sharing is a good place to start. Then when people start moving on the roads you can get a feel of what the opinions are of the local farmers about the traffic. Then it can go bigger from there.
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?
All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
I would love the tracks for this. 3500km stretch is a bit much for me but the part from Bloem to Baufort west looks very attractive
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=246593.0
Post by: XT JOE on April 09, 2020, 12:49:40 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike
thanks for input
Could be a difficult one -flipping a coin for free state or transkei but i imagine you could have both just ride the one or the other and somewhere in the front join on same route again
Any suggestions for the Natal Limpopo and the North west area which i really know least about
Post by: Noneking on April 09, 2020, 01:13:51 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike
Could add some nice tracks between Lydenburg and Tzaneen area.... :peepwall:
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2020, 01:26:00 pm
Yes please :thumleft:Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike
Could add some nice tracks between Lydenburg and Tzaneen area.... :peepwall:
Post by: BoskakBruce on April 09, 2020, 08:19:58 pm
Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.I can help you with the website. Just PM me with what you're thinking the website needs to do and we can take it from there.
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Post by: Brink on April 10, 2020, 10:46:16 pm
Kruger Fences, Northern Natal Battlefields, Drakensberg, Sani Pass, Hole-in-the-Wall etc, etc, etc, etc.
Obviously will make it more difficult to plan and route.
Maybe make a 3-part edition which will require the people coming back.
My R20-to-the-US$ suggestion.
:ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Post by: Tommy Transalp on April 11, 2020, 06:05:33 am
Did Durban to Cape town with 200 km tar and 2800 km dirtHave you got any further details?
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Draad and I are thinking of doing something like this on CRF230 s...
How long did you take, where did you overnight, etc.
Post by: Breekbeen on April 11, 2020, 06:18:58 am
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.
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Post by: Splash on April 11, 2020, 07:28:10 am
What I think is important is to include fuel and camping (bike friendly) options along the route. Part of the practicalities of riding.
Being in SA, some consideration might have to be given that a foreigner more than likely have to rent a bike and all the camping gear which becomes burdensome.
Would be interesting to see how many local adventure riders actually want to do the route and try to cater to getting their participation.
South Africa is big and expect different people in various regions to contribute a section of route which could then be connected together centrally.
Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:05:28 am
If it is going to be an international offering it will have to include places like;Looking at doing a route south of Lesotho as well
Kruger Fences, Northern Natal Battlefields, Drakensberg, Sani Pass, Hole-in-the-Wall etc, etc, etc, etc.
Obviously will make it more difficult to plan and route.
Maybe make a 3-part edition which will require the people coming back.
My R20-to-the-US$ suggestion.
:ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:06:19 am
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.Yes I think together we have dogs in all areas to pre ride the route or make suggestions :thumleft:
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.
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Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:08:36 am
My thoughts.Agree places of interest and accommodation will be NB. Also will support the locals
What I think is important is to include fuel and camping (bike friendly) options along the route. Part of the practicalities of riding.
Being in SA, some consideration might have to be given that a foreigner more than likely have to rent a bike and all the camping gear which becomes burdensome.
Would be interesting to see how many local adventure riders actually want to do the route and try to cater to getting their participation.
South Africa is big and expect different people in various regions to contribute a section of route which could then be connected together centrally.
Post by: Sabre on April 11, 2020, 06:42:23 pm
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.And this is how T4A (Tracks for Africa) started
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.
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Post by: Slim Jim on April 12, 2020, 08:59:25 am
Stay safe guys
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 10:41:07 am
Post by: Slim Jim on April 12, 2020, 11:43:43 am
I live Mooi and know the lower Loteni back wards and all the midlands trax all the way to Rhodes eastern cape. I've camped at almost all the camp sites from here to around Lesotu......if you need info. cheers
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 12:00:51 pm
Side trackGreat please pm me your email address ?
I live Mooi and know the lower Loteni back wards and all the midlands trax all the way to Rhodes eastern cape. I've camped at almost all the camp sites from here to around Lesotu......if you need info. cheers
Post by: BuRP on April 12, 2020, 01:26:42 pm
Hey Dogs , just a crazy Idea.............If there is 2 or 3 dogs with a month or so floating around and have some cash burning a hole in there pockets, why not use them .....just my 2 cents.
Stay safe guys
That's a few bob's worth Jim, Slim indeed!
I'm herewith self-appointed as test victim, would be good to put the 790 to work :thumleft:
No need for any contributions from my side, the riding itself is reward enough!
Post by: lukestrugnell on April 12, 2020, 02:44:23 pm
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Post by: BoskakBruce on April 12, 2020, 04:10:01 pm
Logo completed, what do you think ? Kept it simple to print some stickers later :deal:
Thanks for all the work, Sidetrack. It's coming together nicely.
Here's my 2 cents. I think that a great TSAT logo needs the following:
1) A clear visual element that represents trans South Africa (could be an outline of Southern Africa with the route across it)
2) A clear visual element that represents an off-road motorcycle (the obvious would be a tire or spoked wheel)
3) The TSAT text
What if we put a call out for a dog who does graphic design? Anyone know a professional designer here?
Post by: BoskakBruce on April 12, 2020, 04:57:49 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:32:45 pm
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)Looks good
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Post by: 73 Peanut on April 12, 2020, 05:33:24 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:37:20 pm
Post by: Noneking on April 12, 2020, 05:38:32 pm
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)Wow, looks great!
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Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:42:43 pm
Post by: BoskakBruce on April 12, 2020, 07:07:41 pm
I'd be happy to take on this part of the project once the regular TSAT is done.
Also, I'm hearing the TSAT pronounced like Tsek! - as in voetsek!
Tsat!
We could wish people well as they start the TSAT by saying "Voetsat, my Bru!" (In a Cape Colored accent of course)...
And you could end it by saying, "Yuslaak, ek is tsatvol van hierdie roete!"
Can you tell I've been in lockdown too long?
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Post by: skydiver on April 13, 2020, 07:22:20 am
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)Great looking logo.
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Well done.
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 10:11:40 am
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 10:14:12 am
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 11:06:21 am
Post by: shark_za on April 13, 2020, 11:38:34 am
I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route. Maybe in the T-Kei.
Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 11:55:09 am
Ek't 'n klompie tracks aangestuur per eposSorry just tuned in to this thread.Yes I think together we have dogs in all areas to pre ride the route or make suggestions :thumleft:
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Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 12:07:51 pm
Looking for a welcome picture for the page, something that shows the scale and vastness of the trails available. Unfortunately most of my pictures have been edited and will be far to small. Needs to be original size so we can add the logo and text to it, display it full page etc. Was thinking a Gannaga pass, Lower Loteni, Baviaans etc. Something like the attached picture.
Will have a look through my pics
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zOxZJOkR-KCdvCQf9S0tbWWf2xMAeNg_pldr9iGMec3q8yP3V97PNGaCRhU64VJaRgP2eCDk4ExKfjhSBoikdfhaxCy0-bjSRWODMQYF8yfNAynTsqpoc928Bg9FSMUvbfExz_Oy_WCg41_hMV1mXR3g2lvZ-M7g2jK34pmsQV3Qkmp-y2i42jLJW2JNE9LuodxDuvP7RVw4mtBjUSWnZZPcPl7yr3NhkmR5NAwuQgmjr9RlH3rgK2HgEEpNPCRZSBDs3Yt2wJWPFaLYrr4I2gqvncos_dUWMPlT5zn7eh9TmIFXBmD6uXzjE0hSyReKalu27vEZbW4FeRGSvb7twf6AY7DuPUlBK10EGBW2ciV4GMO0g_vI0qun_-2578A4ewJOV464AKkXsdvkajzRkLeudFtzkMEkzt8VRDeEIBQety3Mjr8SIAUyZHQ_Q2Y2Q-_AS2zNZudv1md4RWP6-dzP1za7_7IEKalMvbZiuEk-wL3zWCF1oYugzy7IZ5DHg1254xBdD4FPqrfgBtYJief45lZkPUCPpwhOiwXbfiURkWRVtbW4nuMmDmg1L8I73VB--k_UDuQFBC4CMT0ijrulKEFe4hEZALZiQaxniqJyyKvKrprMFtCZL39N4W_zQhwT6u-u6QfSkTKBBEP7c8E3Ghhj_4GpRYiD17uEGTi2903g4DqOAcQWnnLVjly2BppthgcYp0ladwUkgFtp9pVsWPmc514_uY3I1M-8pYAYxjzzcw=w1688-h1266-no)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:13:41 pm
Thanks their will be a gallery page to wet the appetite so please send !Looking for a welcome picture for the page, something that shows the scale and vastness of the trails available. Unfortunately most of my pictures have been edited and will be far to small. Needs to be original size so we can add the logo and text to it, display it full page etc. Was thinking a Gannaga pass, Lower Loteni, Baviaans etc. Something like the attached picture.
Will have a look through my pics
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zOxZJOkR-KCdvCQf9S0tbWWf2xMAeNg_pldr9iGMec3q8yP3V97PNGaCRhU64VJaRgP2eCDk4ExKfjhSBoikdfhaxCy0-bjSRWODMQYF8yfNAynTsqpoc928Bg9FSMUvbfExz_Oy_WCg41_hMV1mXR3g2lvZ-M7g2jK34pmsQV3Qkmp-y2i42jLJW2JNE9LuodxDuvP7RVw4mtBjUSWnZZPcPl7yr3NhkmR5NAwuQgmjr9RlH3rgK2HgEEpNPCRZSBDs3Yt2wJWPFaLYrr4I2gqvncos_dUWMPlT5zn7eh9TmIFXBmD6uXzjE0hSyReKalu27vEZbW4FeRGSvb7twf6AY7DuPUlBK10EGBW2ciV4GMO0g_vI0qun_-2578A4ewJOV464AKkXsdvkajzRkLeudFtzkMEkzt8VRDeEIBQety3Mjr8SIAUyZHQ_Q2Y2Q-_AS2zNZudv1md4RWP6-dzP1za7_7IEKalMvbZiuEk-wL3zWCF1oYugzy7IZ5DHg1254xBdD4FPqrfgBtYJief45lZkPUCPpwhOiwXbfiURkWRVtbW4nuMmDmg1L8I73VB--k_UDuQFBC4CMT0ijrulKEFe4hEZALZiQaxniqJyyKvKrprMFtCZL39N4W_zQhwT6u-u6QfSkTKBBEP7c8E3Ghhj_4GpRYiD17uEGTi2903g4DqOAcQWnnLVjly2BppthgcYp0ladwUkgFtp9pVsWPmc514_uY3I1M-8pYAYxjzzcw=w1688-h1266-no)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 13, 2020, 12:16:54 pm
Post by: Onetime on April 13, 2020, 12:22:23 pm
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 12:23:45 pm
1. Some routes from Colesberg - Middelburg - Nieu-Bethesda - Graaff-Reinet - Richmond - Murraysburg - Aberdeen if you like?
2. I'd be happy to list our farm guesthouse on an accommodation page if needed.
3. Riding pix from the abovementioned areas and others.
4. Possibly be listed as a geographical region/area point of assistance for international visitors depending upon requirements.
Shout if I can assist.
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 12:25:26 pm
Post by: MillionMiles on April 13, 2020, 12:28:19 pm
C-road >90 km/h graded gravel
D -road <90 km/h "Two-spoor"
E -road <30 km/h "technical"
2. I volunteer to scout the NW. For example, Marico to Bray.
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Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 12:28:43 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:42:45 pm
Did I miss the webpage address somewhere?Hi I have not published it yet as I have to teach myself how to make a webpage :-[ But am getting some help from Bruce here on the forum. Trying to not make it too complicated. It will be at www.tsat.co.za eventually
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:47:06 pm
I think by the time side track is done , his compilation will be able to outperform most offroad sites in South Africa which is fantastic if it allows wild dog members to get it at a discounted price .I was actually thinking of making the tracks available for free like the European TET one (with a donation option). There is off course cost for the hosting services.The most amount of work will be to make sure the track is accurate and up to date but with all of us here assisting it should be doable. Adding good accommodation options, fuel and places of interest along the route.
Post by: GravelFox on April 13, 2020, 12:57:17 pm
I have asked Karookid if we can use his picture for the home page and he agreed, things coming together slowlyNice picture and logo
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Post by: SchalkL on April 13, 2020, 01:50:17 pm
Also have a 2 bed guest cottage available in Steytlerville if needed.
Post by: BoskakBruce on April 13, 2020, 01:59:25 pm
Very interesting, I'll assist where I can.I agree. The Transkei is essential riding - one of the best places for any ADV tourist to visit. Miles and miles of dirt roads and Enduro tracks... Homelands... The Wildcoast... Colorful people... Backpackers...
I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route. Maybe in the T-Kei.
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Post by: Hennie on April 13, 2020, 02:39:20 pm
I think by the time side track is done , his compilation will be able to outperform most offroad sites in South Africa which is fantastic if it allows wild dog members to get it at a discounted price .I was actually thinking of making the tracks available for free like the European TET one (with a donation option). There is off course cost for the hosting services.The most amount of work will be to make sure the track is accurate and up to date but with all of us here assisting it should be doable. Adding good accommodation options, fuel and places of interest along the route.
I will definitely pay to access such a route or GPS files.
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 04:12:35 pm
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 06:00:20 pm
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 07:13:24 pm
Post by: BoskakBruce on April 13, 2020, 07:50:10 pm
Am I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.The TAT, TET and TSAT are just gpx routes that someone compiled, named and put online.
There are several different TAT routes by different people. One of the TAT compilers charges a small fee for the gpx file.
The TET route gpx file is free, and they ask for voluntary donations to support hosting.
Jacques is wanting to use the same idea as the TET for the TSAT - a donation model.
Hosting and domain registration are around R200/month these days, so it's not expensive to run the website.
It's the time required to compile, check maintain and support the route that costs time.
The routes use public roads and riding the routes is always free.
The voluntary donation is only for supporting the monthly expenses that the route-creator incurs.
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Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 08:43:18 pm
I have asked Karookid if we can use his picture for the home page and he agreed, things coming together slowly
Stunning pic!
Post by: lukestrugnell on April 13, 2020, 09:13:37 pm
If it were me I would make it free and then sell advertising on the website to accommodation along route, bike rental guys, etc. Cover expenses that wayAm I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.The TAT, TET and TSAT are just gpx routes that someone compiled, named and put online.
There are several different TAT routes by different people. One of the TAT compilers charges a small fee for the gpx file.
The TET route gpx file is free, and they ask for voluntary donations to support hosting.
Jacques is wanting to use the same idea as the TET for the TSAT - a donation model.
Hosting and domain registration are around R200/month these days, so it's not expensive to run the website.
It's the time required to compile, check maintain and support the route that costs time.
The routes use public roads and riding the routes is always free.
The voluntary donation is only for supporting the monthly expenses that the route-creator incurs.
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Post by: Mr D on April 13, 2020, 10:26:21 pm
Post by: Vis Arend on April 14, 2020, 04:18:46 am
Post by: BuRP on April 14, 2020, 07:37:45 am
Financing the website's upkeep should be easy enough, indeed good suggestions all over!
Putting it together is the crux of course, and I'm glad to see that some are doing it: thank you Squires!!
About time something like this is done, would be awesome to look at offroad 'connections' between locations within SA.
I for one will be using it, and see this awesome piece of land we live in in more and more remote detail!
Post by: Hennie on April 14, 2020, 09:10:39 am
The routes must absolutely be free. They are, afterall, on public roads mostly. If a route crosses private land, it will be for the landowner to decide if he wishes to charge, in which case there should be an alternative, free, route. Of course all other services should be user pays (accommodation, guiding, roadside assistance, catering, medical. equipment and bike rental etc).
Hi Dorsland, I was referring to my willingness to pay for the effort the guys put in to create such a route, not the cost of travelling on these routes.
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 10:12:00 am
Post by: Serfie on April 14, 2020, 11:31:02 am
Post by: FIXER on April 14, 2020, 06:11:08 pm
Weereens baie geluk en groot dankie.
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:01:53 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:21:07 pm
Post by: Boersoeknbike on April 14, 2020, 07:23:32 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:24:44 pm
Fixer put me on your post. I’ll help where i can and add to nonekings trails. I’ll pm you my email. Great idea!:thumleft:
Post by: FIXER on April 14, 2020, 08:31:52 pm
I will send you an email.
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 09:24:08 pm
Post by: Minxy on April 15, 2020, 10:10:30 am
Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).
Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)
Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:
From their website:
"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."
Post by: XT JOE on April 15, 2020, 11:22:15 am
This sounds like a nice initiative :)
Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).
The TAT is for all sizes of bikes and my thoughts for this is for all sizes of bikes and a medium experience level, not some of those tight TET single tracks although ive seen the 1200 guys also climb in
Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)
If you can do Baviaans that will be sufficient- can i call that medium :)
Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:
From their website:
"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."
Very good thought to set this up as well for but i imagine making it smaller like a one week ride from CT to Baviaans and back or a long weekend to Cederberg and across to klein karoo and back to CT .Now we need permission from WD farmers or their cousins to set up- give it some thought. We can also ask Warren Ellwood and his team for thoughts- he is a late bloomer now in his 50's :) starting to ride plastics only- plenty of experience.
Post by: sidetrack on April 15, 2020, 11:38:30 am
Post by: Jobe on April 15, 2020, 12:59:50 pm
Maybe this help.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i0dyB1KgM0UPP_CkislED2fS7Pem8plA&usp=sharing
Post by: roxenz on April 15, 2020, 01:12:15 pm
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.
I like your thinking. Perhaps establish a dirt touring route as a core, then more adventurous loops/extensions/add-ons for those who need a bit of adrenaline fix?
Post by: Dorsland on April 15, 2020, 01:44:29 pm
Post by: XT JOE on April 15, 2020, 09:52:09 pm
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.
I like your thinking. Perhaps establish a dirt touring route as a core, then more adventurous loops/extensions/add-ons for those who need a bit of adrenaline fix?
Thats my thoughts exactly :thumleft: thanks guys
Getting nice feedback for the Natal midlands area as well from a few guys and will post on here soon. Its the big three Mpumalanga, Limpopo and North west thats tjoepstil. Any one we can approach please pm me
Post by: Crosstourer on April 16, 2020, 11:35:37 am
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......
I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
Kalahari Ben Originally did the Planning for Parys - De-Aar,
But I have not spoken to him in many years,
Post by: Ventana on April 16, 2020, 02:54:15 pm
Post by: m0lt3n on April 19, 2020, 11:53:18 am
I think if you decide on where the start and end will be then it will be easier to finalize something. Also maybe decide on how many days to ride it all. That will determine how technical it can be.
Looking at the examples they start on the one side of the country and end at the other side. Will this be the plan or rather a circle route. To criss cross it will be great to include putsonderwater and those fast gravel roads around kenhard/calvinia and such. The longest gravel road in south Africa the R355 will be a nice box to tick for a ride. But then you exclude the old postal route or cederberg which is arguably nicer riding.
I do believe it should be all doable and back home within 9days. That is one week's leave. And should be hard riding. IOW add time to include half day rides or rest days.
Starting point? Personally I wouldn't include limpopo or North west, but then that changes if you want to add all the provinces. Some nice riding around thabazimbi and groot Marico but I believe Northern cape's namakwa 4x4 trail is better as is the ride to Van zylsrus where you go through a park and will see a lot of animals, for free. No other area offers that in South Africa I believe. But I am biased
Then the same issue will be baviaans vs the Ben 10 passes. Will be difficult to do both, or touch on both and not make it to much of a zig zagging business.
Some compromises will be necessary, and I think some lesser known jewels will be essential to make it a popular trail. Because the average adv rider would have already done some of the more well known routes/passes and not be super motivated to do a 10 day trip if he has already done 70% of the trails previously.
Maybe cut from north to south, that can include baviaans, and Ben 10 stuff, maybe rather Sani, get some nice inputs from losper and go through Lesotho touch nelspruit area to end at Gauteng, but then that's almost to cliche with the exception of Lesotho?
Some verbal diarrhea from me
Post by: sidetrack on April 19, 2020, 01:59:15 pm
Please check out the beta site that is up, a lot of work ahead !
http://www.tsat.co.za
Post by: mike gs on April 19, 2020, 03:01:05 pm
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Post by: Sabre on April 19, 2020, 03:03:22 pm
HiLooks very good :thumleft:
Please check out the beta site that is up, a lot of work ahead !
http://www.tsat.co.za
Post by: Welsh on April 19, 2020, 06:17:36 pm
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......
I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
Kalahari Ben Originally did the Planning for Parys - De-Aar,
But I have not spoken to him in many years,
Weird, Kalahari Ben was on the forum today, after many years. :sip:
Post by: XT JOE on April 19, 2020, 07:15:06 pm
Route so far
Its pretty much a given from CT through Klein karoo to Baviaans(will colour in the bits) then Baviaans over Hogsback to Rhodes.
Herewith is a few different thoughts-1/run the gauntlet through Transkei to the Underberg and do the Sani then into natal midlands 2/ left at Rhodes and cross border through Lesotho coming out at Sani into Natal midlands or 3/ around Lesotho through Eastern Free State through Wepener,Ladybrand and Ficksburg- either go to Sani or just go into Midlands. Below is Andy G version of a Natal midland visit- does it not look devine.
I’m assuming that you will enter KZN from Sani Pass at the top. Ride down the pass to Himeville.
I’ll list the following waypoints they come up on Google Maps
Left in Himeville to Lower Loteni Rd. Proceed to Nottingham Rd/Right into the Village. Turn right towards Michaelhouse School.
At Michaelhouse left onto Curry’s Post Rd/Left at Tumbledown Lodge (Karkloof Valley) You can stop at Karkloof Club. They are very accommodating. Down to Albert Falls Dam and then head for New Hanover and through to KwaDukuza(Stanger)
Kwadakuza on R102 and left to Tugela Rail. Will take you over an old single lane bridge over the Tugela River Nice photo stop. Past the Sappi Mill through Mandini
2km out of Mandini there is a signpost to Inyoni on your left. Take this up to Cranburn Primary/Nyathini Macambini/Nyoni/Amatikulu
Left onto P425 which will take you through to Lake Eteza. From there you can push up towards Hluhluwe to the Baobab Lodge. Plan a night there as you not too far from the Swazi Border and can be there early. Its about 420km so easily doable in the day or break it up into 2 days for a nice leisurely ride. Lots of places to stop for something to drink or eat.
It’s a mix of tar and easy gravel so suitable for all. No freeway involved at all.
There is a few others in the pipeline from Draad and Tommy transalp :deal:
Then into Mpumalanga which must have of the most beautiful scenery-(is it easy crossing border through Swaziland-RSA passports and also foreign)- i havent been to Swaziland since 2001 but recall easy scenic ride- any thoughts or same as lesotho with either through or around
Post by: sidetrack on April 19, 2020, 09:05:35 pm
Post by: Splash on April 19, 2020, 10:22:35 pm
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Transeurotrail.org/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Transeurotrail.org/)
Post by: skydiver on April 20, 2020, 07:48:36 am
Well done to all that are involved in this initiative :thumleft:
Post by: XT JOE on April 20, 2020, 05:26:03 pm
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very niceWow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative :thumleft:
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2020, 07:36:13 pm
XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very niceWow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative :thumleft:
Post by: m0lt3n on April 20, 2020, 08:26:50 pm
XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very niceWow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative :thumleft:
That looks great sidetrack. How long have you been busy with it? I love that logo, would really like to do the route.
How long do you estimate would be needed to complete it all?
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2020, 10:22:33 pm
Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very niceWow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative :thumleft:
That looks great sidetrack. How long have you been busy with it? I love that logo, would really like to do the route.
How long do you estimate would be needed to complete it all?
Post by: MildlyWild on April 22, 2020, 07:50:37 pm
[/quote]Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.
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Depending on the terrain and roads 450km or even more per day would be fine - depending on time available to do the route or just inclination. Each rider could probably decide for himself, but would then have to use different overnight spots
Post by: m0lt3n on April 22, 2020, 09:53:46 pm
Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.
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agreed, it shouldnt be set like that.
450km can be done by 11am on a good day or take forever on the same good gravel with 2 flats, lost topbox and bad playlist
Depending on the terrain and roads 450km or even more per day would be fine - depending on time available to do the route or just inclination. Each rider could probably decide for himself, but would then have to use different overnight spots
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Post by: sidetrack on April 22, 2020, 11:34:02 pm
Post by: Losper on April 23, 2020, 12:28:01 pm
Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km (green line)
Rhodes accomodation: Rubicon guest house: edh@cnx.co.za www.rubiconflats.co.za 083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation: Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067 info@resthaven.co.za
Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville 315km (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)
I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2020, 12:33:35 pm
This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.
It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2020, 02:28:59 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.Thanks Losper
Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km (green line)
Rhodes accomodation: Rubicon guest house: edh@cnx.co.za www.rubiconflats.co.za 083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation: Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067 info@resthaven.co.za
Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville 315km (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)
I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 03:24:52 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.
This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.
It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.
Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 03:30:26 pm
Very good thought to set this up as well for but i imagine making it smaller like a one week ride from CT to Baviaans and back or a long weekend to Cederberg and across to klein karoo and back to CT .Now we need permission from WD farmers or their cousins to set up- give it some thought. We can also ask Warren Ellwood and his team for thoughts- he is a late bloomer now in his 50's :) starting to ride plastics only- plenty of experience.
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:thumleft: I've got 2 really good 4 day routes from CT planned, which I will put on the 4-5 Day trip from CT thread
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2020, 04:46:53 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.Losper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?
Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km (green line)
Rhodes accomodation: Rubicon guest house: edh@cnx.co.za www.rubiconflats.co.za 083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation: Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067 info@resthaven.co.za
Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville 315km (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)
I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2020, 04:48:12 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.
This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.
It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.
Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys
With our economy in mind, these :breakout routes" could be laid out to benefit private individuals, like a farmer who can levy a small fee for using his land?
Or has this been brought up?
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 09:30:14 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.
This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.
It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.
Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys
With our economy in mind, these :breakout routes" could be laid out to benefit private individuals, like a farmer who can levy a small fee for using his land?
Or has this been brought up?
I like that idea
Post by: Losper on April 23, 2020, 10:55:37 pm
Losper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?All open roads with no permission needed.
The section between Tiffendell and Tenahead (TT traverse) is a 2 spoor with 2 or 3 gates. I have read on social media that some say this section is technical but I have taken novices on big bikes thru with no problem at all. It is one of the highlights on the trip and a must do in my eyes, at 2650m above sea level and extremely scenic.
The traverse is 20km long and used by the police to "patrol" the border fence.
When I take riders on my guided trips I change the tracks and include stuff like "Telly Tubby land" with its technical sections but for this application the tracks are perfect.
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:40:53 am
http://tsat.co.za/faq.html
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:49:20 am
ThanksLosper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?All open roads with no permission needed.
The section between Tiffendell and Tenahead (TT traverse) is a 2 spoor with 2 or 3 gates. I have read on social media that some say this section is technical but I have taken novices on big bikes thru with no problem at all. It is one of the highlights on the trip and a must do in my eyes, at 2650m above sea level and extremely scenic.
The traverse is 20km long and used by the police to "patrol" the border fence.
When I take riders on my guided trips I change the tracks and include stuff like "Telly Tubby land" with its technical sections but for this application the tracks are perfect.
Post by: Vis Arend on April 24, 2020, 04:06:34 pm
There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 04:34:57 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file.Thanks Vis Arend ! Baviaans is definetly part of the route.
There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.
Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:23:34 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file.
There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.
Thanks Louis- as my requests are normally vague im working on it :thumleft:- Baviaans is a given and Rhodes on the other end and im pretty fond of Hogsback- not to be pushy ;) but like your route to Jansenville on the R400 you used on in your Feb RR -can you draw on that memory connecting Patensie and Rhodes more or less- dankie man. Hats off to Nani with what looks like a seriously loaded 250R-sure i saw a k/sink there as well
Post by: Vis Arend on April 24, 2020, 08:48:03 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file.
There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.
Thanks Louis- as my requests are normally vague im working on it :thumleft:- Baviaans is a given and Rhodes on the other end and im pretty fond of Hogsback- not to be pushy ;) but like your route to Jansenville on the R400 you used on in your Feb RR -can you draw on that memory connecting Patensie and Rhodes more or less- dankie man. Hats off to Nani with what looks like a seriously loaded 250R-sure i saw a k/sink there as well
Pleasure my friend, I will do some other alternatives. There are plenty and all the routes are great.
Once you draw Jansenville and the R400 into the mix you will have to take a detour back to include Baviaans which seems to be a given, unless you are willing to do a side enntry. :eek7:
There are however great alternative routes from Patensie to Rhodes. I will plot them.
And yes, the K/sink will always be packed. :biggrin: I am really impressed with Nannie, she learned a lot in a short space of time and she enjoy riding her own scoot.
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Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:53:39 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.
Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km (green line)
Rhodes accomodation: Rubicon guest house: edh@cnx.co.za www.rubiconflats.co.za 083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation: Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067 info@resthaven.co.za
Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville 315km (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)
I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Thanks Pieter- i saw you mention its for all skill/ bike levels- places looking good- this is ideally how i would like to offer the route- each suggested overnight town area we can mention one or two places
Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:58:39 pm
And yes, the K/sink will always be packed. :biggrin: I am really impressed with Nannie, she learned a lot in a short space of time and she enjoy riding her own scoot.
:thumleft: :thumleft:- must agree on her skills seeing the back wheel in the air and that going down in water in Baviaans- the lady can handle the stuff!!
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Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:21:11 pm
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 05:50:06 am
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.
Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs? If so why do you need to come from Cathcart? If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes? Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance.
Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route. :deal: :thumleft:
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 25, 2020, 07:03:35 am
Post by: mike gs on April 25, 2020, 08:17:57 am
Well done.
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Post by: Slim Jim on April 25, 2020, 10:02:31 am
I'm doing a bush to burg ride when this lockdown comes to an end and taking 3 days through the midlands [ fishing , riding and camping ......yelow fish,rainbow's,gravel roads and trax and some tinnies in the mountains around a fire] , I will send you pics and do a RR when that happens and show whats in my back yard.once again well done :sip:
Post by: XT JOE on April 25, 2020, 10:06:57 am
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.
Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs? If so why do you need to come from Cathcart? If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes? Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance.
Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route. :deal: :thumleft:
No experience on Katberg- you decide and we will call it the Visarend section of the route :thumleft: keep in mind medium ability and all bike sizes- like Woody and Gerhards abilty :thumleft:
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 10:28:34 am
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 10:36:12 am
Agree. I was thinking Rhodes - Ludeans Nek Pass - Katberg Pass - Hogsback then back onto your route Visarend towards Baviaans (I used the rear entry). Initially had a route running over Burgersdorp - Molteno and Queenstown from Lundeans side then going across to Cradock and Graaf Reinet (see screenshot). But yours running further south looks more scenic ? More Eastern Cape shrub type landscape vs KarooAgree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.
Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs? If so why do you need to come from Cathcart? If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes? Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance.
Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route. :deal: :thumleft:
No experience on Katberg- you decide and we will call it the Visarend section of the route :thumleft: keep in mind medium ability and all bike sizes- like Woody and Gerhards abilty :thumleft:
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 04:23:23 pm
In summary Rhodes, Lundeansnek (then you have to do the little detour to Dangershoek), the to Lady Grey, over Joubert pas and then Ottos du Plessis pass, all the way mostly gravel over the Kei river, Bolo then through the forest to Hogs, down Mitchells Pass, over Katberg back down to Addo and the Baviaans and and and ..........
Michells Pass and Katberg can be rough at times. Mitchells was until recently fixed and was easy going, but in the mean time deteriorated badly. I do not know how it is at this stage.
Katberg is a horror. Very very few will do it with a pillion, some will not even do it one up.
I plotted an alternative around these two, marked in green. The rest of the route in blue.
Enjoy and let know if you want more or if you guys want this route refined. As is it is a very good and scenic route and plenty is packed in this route.
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 08:02:34 pm
OK menere, here is the route.Thanks Vis Arend, the Hogsback national forest bit before Hogsback is open to ride coming from R352 ?
In summary Rhodes, Lundeansnek (then you have to do the little detour to Dangershoek), the to Lady Grey, over Joubert pas and then Ottos du Plessis pass, all the way mostly gravel over the Kei river, Bolo then through the forest to Hogs, down Mitchells Pass, over Katberg back down to Addo and the Baviaans and and and ..........
Michells Pass and Katberg can be rough at times. Mitchells was until recently fixed and was easy going, but in the mean time deteriorated badly. I do not know how it is at this stage.
Katberg is a horror. Very very few will do it with a pillion, some will not even do it one up.
I plotted an alternative around these two, marked in green. The rest of the route in blue.
Enjoy and let know if you want more or if you guys want this route refined. As is it is a very good and scenic route and plenty is packed in this route.
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 08:11:12 pm
Thanks Vis Arend, the Hogsback national forest bit before Hogsback is open to ride coming from R352 ?
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Yip, no problem there. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Post by: Bloggs on April 26, 2020, 10:16:36 am
Trans SA is a long trip and it is a bucket list event. It needs to include bucket list riding and well as bucket list off-the-bike experiences. The route is king, but it is important not to downplay the time off the bike which includes relaxing with drinks and mates while being sociable and reliving the day’s ride; eating good food; ablutions; a comfortable place to sleep; and so on. It also needs to include options such as exploring the surroundings and seeing the attractions, even though there may be limited time. And it includes the need for preparation for the rides ahead. You actually spend as much time doing these elements as you do physically riding.
This is where small towns come in. Many derive significant income from tourism, but most are struggling, and they need support. Most provide a range of accommodation from camping to lodging, different affordability options, as well as options be situated in and out of town. They supply provisions, and most offer other attractions and activities. These small towns therefore cater for the for the total off-the-bike experience necessary for mass appeal.
Unfortunately, the position of the towns/destinations are fixed. Routes, however, can vary. So the point is, for the best overall experience, choose the destinations first and then plan the route to fit. This concept would be known those of you who have done the Wild Coast Meander, where a number of great but remote hotels have linked themselves with hiking routes between them. I was also fortunate to have done the JoBerg2C MTB ride (its actually not really a race), which is 900km over 9 days of MTB trails and gravel roads linked to specific towns and destinations. The concept is similar. In fact, their website would have quite a few parallels, and sets the standard for the ultimate TSAT website (https://www.joberg2c.co.za/). Impressively, JoBerg2C had about 230 overseas participants in the field of 800 odd for last year’s ride. They came for the trails, the route, the open spaces, and the big sky. But when you talked to them, they were most impressed by the hospitality and the off-the-bike experience. It’s a great success story.
Remarkably, there are special and quaint small towns which appear on most the top-20 bucket lists of small SA towns to visit; which are also more or less evenly spaced apart across SA; and which are linked with great adventure riding routes covering a good day’s riding. The suggested list of these towns is as follows, north to south, excluding the start and end points:
• Hoedspruit - https://www.hoedspruit.co.za/
• Dullstroom - https://dullstroom.co.za/
• Wakkerstroom - http://www.wakkerstroom.co.za/ (via Chrissiesmeer)
• Clarens - https://clarens.co.za/ (via the Drakensberg passes)
• Rhodes - https://rhodesinfo.co.za/ (via Lundeans Neck)
• Hogsback - https://www.hogsback.com/
• Jeffreys Bay - https://www.jeffreysbaytourism.org/ including surrounding area and Patensie (via Katberg and Zuurberg passes)
• Knysna - http://www.visitknysna.co.za/ (via Baviaanspoort, Prince Albert pass and Kom se pad)
• Prince Albert - https://www.karoo-information.co.za/routes/town/176/prince-albert (via the Seven Passes road, Montague Pass, Meiringspoort)
• Swellendam - https://www.visitswellendam.co.za/ (via Swartberg Pass, Calitzdorp, Rooiberg and Gysmanshoek passes)
• Greyton - http://www.greytontourism.com/ for short route to Cape Town (via Malgas, Cape Agulhas)
• Montague - https://www.montagu.org.za/ for the longer route to Tulbach and Cederberg (also via Malgas, Cape Agulhas)
• Tulbach (alternatively Ceres) - https://www.tulbaghtourism.co.za/ (via Touws River, Ceres)
• Paternoster -https://www.west-coast-info.co.za/region/town/256 (via Cederberg, Elands Bay)
These towns have a hospitality/tourist focus and they are on just about everyone’s list to visit. For those people who have already visited them, they are probably willing to return. All the towns have things to do and, in fact, a person could quite easily stay 2 nights or more. The extra day could include, for example, a game experience from Hoedspruit, trout fishing in Dullstroom, and so on.
Some notes:
• The gravel routes between these towns would mostly be in the 300km to 400km range per day.
• The routes between the towns need to be as remote as possible, and avoid cities and urban areas (tar & traffic) as well as rural areas (chickens, children, litter).
• Clarens to Rhodes is a bit long so Ladybrand probably needs to be added which allows a route deviation into Lesotho. There are various options but mostly tar.
• Winterton can be a base for a Battlefields detour; and Himeville/Underberg for a Sani Pass detour - which could then go to Ladybrand or left around the bottom of Lesotho straight to Rhodes.
• Baviaanspoort can present problems with river crossings for example, in which case Steytlerville (https://www.baviaans.co.za/page/steytlerville_info) could replace Jeffreys Bay for a detour north of Baviaans.
• A ride to Gamkaskloof (Die Hel) from the Swartberg Pass can be included as an extra day, or by staying the night there in place of Prince Albert.
• The towns in the Cape are sandwiched close together to allow a zigzag down to Agulhas and up to the Cedarberg and West Coast. Obviously this can be shortened and some of these can be cut out.
• The total route is therefore 12 to 15 days. There are also other options which could be added. These detours essentially link back into the main route at some point.
• There are some really good loops which can be done from some of the towns, meaning a stop of 2 nights.
• For Gauteng, or people flying in from overseas, there is the option of the back roads via Cullinan to Dullstroom and then to pick up the route from there - which essentially is a Joburg to Cape Town route.
Unfortunately, linking small towns means that there will be some tar which has to be traversed. It cannot be avoided. But 80% or more of gravel is still a good adventure ride, and appreciably more than say 8% European countries would be lucky to get. Further, should the likes of Long Tom Pass, Clarens/Fouriesburg, and Meiringspoort, be excluded because they are tar? Probably not. Certainly not for an overseas rider or someone who has not been there before.
To take this a little further, and to increase the mass appeal, each day between towns can have at least 3 route options:
• Recommended gravel route
• Recommended tar route – for the roadies; for the sick, lame and lazy; and also for those struggling with the gravel, or wanting to avoid the more tricky sections
• “The most gravel” option avoiding as much tar as possible and probably a bit longer
For those wanting just tar, they could do 2 days in one and halve the route time. Another option is that groups can split each day and meet up at each destination.
The selected towns should want to buy into this concept – there is not much downside for them and lots of potential upside. If there is any apathy, then people from accommodation options in those towns will buy in. Ultimately the towns and/or the popular accommodation should end up driving the concept and the website when it is up and running. What is needed in each town is at least 1 “champion” who can advise on routes, and who can point people in the right direction for medical or mechanical issues etc. This shouldn’t be difficult to set up, especially if there is a potential benefit for them. These people living in the towns would also have knowledge of the routes and feed any updates back into the system.
So this is the basis of a “Small Towns” route, which should cater for a variety of riders, and gives an alternative option for those wanting both on and off the bike experiences. It is also likely to be a preferred option for overseas riders.
Please feel free to move this post.
Post by: Dorsland on April 26, 2020, 11:24:11 am
I would also like to see a possible alternative route around the north western and/or central part of the country that typically is neglected to a large extent. Towns that could be included (some not that small) are Vanzylsrus, Kuruman, Upington, Keimoes, Pofadder, Pella, Carnarvon, Vanrhynsdorp, Ceres etc. Maybe an interlinking route between your suggestion and my proposed route could be included.
Just a few things to think about.
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2020, 12:04:58 pm
Musina - getting bad press and lots of illegals transversing the border so I'm afraid it might not make the best first impression to start a trip but it is still the most logical choice and I have never been so not sure. Once out of the town the riding looks good.
Past Louis Trichardt towards Orrie Baragwanath Pass, fantastic remote riding with great scenery
Limpopo itself has many homelands and here will be some short tar sections to link up
Haenertsburg will be the next town, stunning small town tucked away in the mountains with good amenities and accommodation
Lydenburg / Hazyview - two options currently. South or north loop plotted currently. North will have more dirt and will be slightly longer
From Hazyview the track will join the Kruger fence, this should be quite the adventure
After Kruger you will end up near Barberton. Another scenic town and fantastic riding on the Swaziland border
From here you drop down via Badplaas on a pass with great views towards Chrissiesmeer. Chrissiesmeer has some very nice eateries and accommodation (Billiard Room and John Jack, even a gin distillery what more do you need !)
Next up Wakkerstroom, fantastic riding in the mountains. Very scenic
Now we are getting into the Battlefields, Dundee / Utrecht etc. with a detour to visit Batle of Isandwala and Bloed River
Next up is the well known Bezuidenhouts Pass. Here you can decide to take the northern or southern route. North goes around Lesotho via the FS. Now I have ridden this part and despite most thinking the FS is flat I had a great time on these dirt roads. Really nice relaxed riding with no one around. It leads past Winburg with it's beautiful church and lots of history. Smithfield will take you around Lesotho to rejoin near the southern loop near Aliwal North. The southern loop should be more popular as it follows lower Loteni and sticks close to the Drakensberg with great scenery all round whilst passing through Himeville and Matatiele
Next up we head to Rhodes riding most of the "Ben 10" passes
From here heading south on some great tracks Vis Arend plotted eventually heading to Hogsback and Mitchells and Katberg Pass with alternatives if it's too rough.
I added Adelaide - Cradock and Graaf Reinet just to add a total contrat to the forests of Hogsback. The valley of desolation at Graaf Reinet is a must see.
Next via Steytlerville we head towards Baviaans from the north stopping at Patensie for fuel and something to eat
Through Baviaans and De Rust we head up back into the Karoo via Beaufort West.
This will head onto the Dwyka River then onto Sutherland and Gannaga Pass
From Gannaga we head south via Cederberge towards Ceres - Wellington - Paarl.
Franschoek Pass is included
More dirt roads eventually ending at Cape Agulhas
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Many other routes still left. Kalahari is fantastic and so many Karoo towns further north. Wildcoast and the garden route also not part of the above, one feels like it cannot be left out ?
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2020, 12:09:15 pm
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Post by: skydiver on April 26, 2020, 01:31:16 pm
I think all three TSAT threads needs to be combined !I agree.
Post by: Slim Jim on April 26, 2020, 03:38:54 pm
Post by: Onetime on April 26, 2020, 05:52:19 pm
AgreedI think all three TSAT threads needs to be combined !I agree.
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 12:06:53 pm
https://www.instagram.com/tsattrail/
Post by: MillionMiles on April 27, 2020, 01:35:47 pm
Please follow the Instagram page, idea is to post photos of the route and small towns you will see on the tripHow do we post pictures there?
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Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 03:15:13 pm
Hi I don't think that is possible, only tagging the page in your own postsPlease follow the Instagram page, idea is to post photos of the route and small towns you will see on the tripHow do we post pictures there?
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Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 07:59:06 pm
I have so far :
Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ?
Hogsback - Somerset East (296km)
Somerset East - Steytlerville (399km)
Seytlerville - Baviaans (185km)
Baviaans - De Rust (227km)
De Rust - Beaufort West (257km)
Beaufort West - Sutherland (293km)
Sutherland - Wellington (473km)
Wellington - Cape Agulhas (250km)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 27, 2020, 08:21:51 pm
Vis Arend from Rhodes via Lundeans (Lundins) to Hogsback is over 600km, is there any place in between you can recommend to camp or stay over ? The area seems pretty sparse in between ? I reckon 600km plus for one day with those passes will mean riding into the night which is not a good idea.
I have so far :
Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ? - Hogsback
For sure, you will not do that route in one day. The best will be to do a small detour and cabin in Elliot, the next day to Hogs, but from Elliot I will stay over in King William's Town or Stutterheim before going to Hogs. That will give you more time to explore Hogs, waterfalls and the like, and/or do a route or two there.
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 08:29:22 pm
Great, yes maybe a rest day In Hogsback is also a good ideaVis Arend from Rhodes via Lundeans (Lundins) to Hogsback is over 600km, is there any place in between you can recommend to camp or stay over ? The area seems pretty sparse in between ? I reckon 600km plus for one day with those passes will mean riding into the night which is not a good idea.
I have so far :
Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ? - Hogsback
For sure, you will not do that route in one day. The best will be to do a small detour and cabin in Elliot, the next day to Hogs, but from Elliot I will stay over in King William's Town or Stutterheim before going to Hogs. That will give you more time to explore Hogs, waterfalls and the like, and/or do a route or two there.
Post by: OomD on April 28, 2020, 09:19:41 am
Thanks for all the effort, guys! :thumleft: :thumleft:
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 01:37:34 pm
Very interesting, I'll assist where I can.@shark_za where would you suggest on the Transkei Coast ? What about Port St Johns ? Can maybe do that stretch before heading towards Hogsback
I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route. Maybe in the T-Kei.
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 01:41:07 pm
Post by: OomD on April 28, 2020, 02:14:27 pm
And thanks for all the route suggestions, gents! :thumleft:
Post by: XT JOE on April 28, 2020, 02:35:07 pm
CT to Baviaans we must include Sewepasse George to Knysna and before that choose between Ouberg rd/sewe weeks and or the Augulas/Pont roads- Sutherland we have to weigh up against Cederberg or Tankwa padstal on the return to CT
Thanks again for the effort- will make a plaque with all the names on :thumleft:- just waiting for those laid back Natal and Northern province boytjies
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 02:58:46 pm
Wait wait... how many TSAT threads are there now? Can they not be merged?It's like Covid 19 threads
And thanks for all the route suggestions, gents! :thumleft:
Post by: Grunder on April 28, 2020, 04:00:13 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.
now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip :biggrin:
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 04:03:32 pm
I would say 2 weeks if you ride hard. Three weeks for going nowhere slowly :ricky:Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.
now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip :biggrin:
Post by: MildlyWild on April 28, 2020, 04:21:44 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.
now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip :biggrin:
1 week if you go now, with the Covid police trying to stop you
Post by: Losper on April 28, 2020, 07:50:30 pm
Have a look at my map, I have made the following suggestions:
On page 1 in this thread the map runs thru the Namaqua Coast National park all along the west coast. Although it is a great track I personally think that specific section is too sandy for this application. Find attached my suggestion, the yellow line.
Have a look at the blue line, I have included "Quteniqua pass" with "Sewe passe" and "Kom se pad" all the way thru Baviaans via Angie's.
The green line and red line I have already discussed earlier in this thread.
Find attached the GPX files for download:
Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 12:07:21 pm
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
Post by: roxenz on April 29, 2020, 12:11:00 pm
I think this is a really great idea, but need to point out that any foreigners arriving to do this would land in JHB or CT. CT is easy to pick up the track North. Jhb not so.Good point Steve. It would open the area west of the N1 for a route. And that's also a beautiful area, with lots of game farms. For overseas folks, seeing all the game next to the roads would be thrill I reckon.
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
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Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 01:15:41 pm
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Post by: intothewild on April 29, 2020, 01:30:26 pm
I would say one should have different levels of routes classification
For example
the main route can be RED loop
but there can be sections coming of it for the more adventurous in green or blue.
single track or very technical jeep track or sandy section the average joe won't necessary wanna do
:pot:
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Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 02:03:08 pm
I think this is a really great idea, but need to point out that any foreigners arriving to do this would land in JHB or CT. CT is easy to pick up the track North. Jhb not so.Good point Steve. It would open the area west of the N1 for a route. And that's also a beautiful area, with lots of game farms. For overseas folks, seeing all the game next to the roads would be thrill I reckon.
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
Probably also find that a majority would just start from Jhb downwards.
What about looking at loops? West of Jhb upto Messina and East back down and so on around the major cities.
Sorry if I'm over-complicating this. :)
Post by: Losper on April 29, 2020, 02:07:25 pm
route difficulty and remoteness classification.That is a very good idea!
I would say one should have different levels of routes classification
For example
the main route can be RED loop
but there can be sections coming of it for the more adventurous in green or blue.
single track or very technical jeep track or sandy section the average joe won't necessary wanna do
:pot:
Post by: MildlyWild on April 29, 2020, 02:12:16 pm
XT JOE, yes I agree, Sewe passe must be included.
Have a look at the blue line, I have included "Quteniqua pass" with "Sewe passe" and "Kom se pad" all the way thru Baviaans via Angie's.
Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravel
Post by: Losper on April 29, 2020, 02:19:30 pm
Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravelYes sorry, my mistake, I meant Montague pass.
Download the gpx file above, Montague is included there.
Post by: MildlyWild on April 29, 2020, 02:45:44 pm
Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravelYes sorry, my mistake, I meant Montague pass.
Download the gpx file above, Montague is included there.
Cool. Is there also gpx for the routes from De Rust onwards to check? I might be able to help with suggestions from there all the way to Agulhas via Sutherland
Is there a specific number of days you guys would like to use from De Rust to the end?
Post by: sidetrack on April 29, 2020, 07:56:18 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 11:50:28 am
Post by: steveindar on April 30, 2020, 12:58:32 pm
Thanks.
:thumleft: :thumleft:
Post by: Grunder on April 30, 2020, 02:32:57 pm
North VS South :ricky:
wow :thumleft:
Post by: BuRP on April 30, 2020, 04:48:13 pm
North VS South
Great!
Gooi sommer al roetes in, 'nog' is beter! :thumleft:
Post by: BuRP on April 30, 2020, 04:49:25 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 05:25:47 pm
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 05:27:35 pm
Ja kan sommer n sirkel roete maak dan join jy enige plek. Wil net Limpopo bevestig, dit is die moeilikste provinsie om te plot ! Ek het n roete maar wil dit graag eers ry.North VS South
Great!
Gooi sommer al roetes in, 'nog' is beter! :thumleft:
Post by: intothewild on April 30, 2020, 06:13:19 pm
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?fbclid=IwAR1Kz9NlbcLli5kCbSlAGDoiifhx26_f-P5wjax-Cz4kTBDAMnzjoVTzSFo&mid=18TrQMauGbMs-cCpSYaOKV6RAxDQqJ5n7&ll=-32.83539025252396%2C19.191757541833567&z=8
i suggest you contact him - he is a WD member
Post by: XT JOE on April 30, 2020, 11:23:46 pm
Starting in Cape Town head out on N2
1/R44 or scenic R43 to Hermanus Stanford Gansbay ,Elim Augulas- (fromCT 225km )
Augulas to Bredasdorp right Malgas, crossing the pont to Vermaaklikheid and then Stillbay (from CT 435km)
or
2/Head north out of Stillbay on R305 for 16km turn right on Hectorskraal dirt rd 20 km later T junction N2 turn right and left into Albertinia take road north to Herbertsdale, at about 20 km follow sign turning right to Herbertsdale, 6 km out of town on the dirt road forks take right and 15 km later at t junction left and another 20km t junction with R328 tar road- take left to Oudshoorn
From Oudshoorn head south east towards George on N12 and where the roads join the N9 take a left towards Uniondale and after 9 km take a right on the historic Montague pass dirt road- travel 17 scenic km join N12 again into George. Staying on N12 through George take the Sewe Passe road to your left- for 75 km travel this scenic dirt road through little villages of Karatara ,Rheenedal finishing outside Knysna. Take N2 left to Knysna and on the eastern side of town take a left on the R339 Prins Alfreds pass. T junction with R62 right and immediate left staying on the R339
Any thoughts- will fill in the next bit onwards to Lesotho in next section :clock: :computer:
Post by: Slim Jim on May 01, 2020, 08:01:04 am
I'm going to work down fron the Freestate around the lower side of Lesotu.
From Harrismith [Golden Gate ] go Sterkfontain [you can go to Kal Foet vrou,Slangspruit and come out in Winterton.[nice places to stay are Royal national park, Amphitherters back packers and tons of B'Bs.follow the old road and explore the berg to your hearts content [catherdral peak,the nest,champain sports,there are so my to talk about there]. follow on through Loskop and head towards White Mountain and head for the Kamberg.The view and the ride is amaizing .You can detour through the midland [Rosetta,Nottingham Road ] head for Loteni.A nice camp area is the Lower Loteni camp [R80 pp in the mountains] From there carry on to Sanni pass and head to Himeville,Underberg and there are awsome camps there...[ Silver streams,St Burnards peak and if you 2 up an awsome B"B in Swartberg.[find the local bottle store and its just behind it.R250 if I remember correct] from there its dirt to Mattatela and to mount fletcher,from there you can take the Naudeers neck and explore [ the 10 10 is there] stay at walk abouts and from there you can go any were for a few days.[Tiffindale,war trail,the TTT, lundeens neck, upper and lower Tenner] Its simply amaizing adventure riding.
From there you go Brackley east and join up with your map.
Just a rough route, it will take around 4 days or up to a week depending on how much you want to explore.......
Happy Days
Cheers
Jim
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 12:41:30 pm
Hey Side Track, Morning from a first of May frost in the Midlands.[Like clock work every year]What I have is coming down from Wakkerstroom through the mountains towards Utrecht you can do the Bloed River / Isandwala route then onto Van Reenen with a loop coming down Bezuidenhout Pass towards Spieonkop through Bergville, then onto Himeville and Underberg. From there lower loteni and all the passes.
I'm going to work down fron the Freestate around the lower side of Lesotu.
From Harrismith [Golden Gate ] go Sterkfontain [you can go to Kal Foet vrou,Slangspruit and come out in Winterton.[nice places to stay are Royal national park, Amphitherters back packers and tons of B'Bs.follow the old road and explore the berg to your hearts content [catherdral peak,the nest,champain sports,there are so my to talk about there]. follow on through Loskop and head towards White Mountain and head for the Kamberg.The view and the ride is amaizing .You can detour through the midland [Rosetta,Nottingham Road ] head for Loteni.A nice camp area is the Lower Loteni camp [R80 pp in the mountains] From there carry on to Sanni pass and head to Himeville,Underberg and there are awsome camps there...[ Silver streams,St Burnards peak and if you 2 up an awsome B"B in Swartberg.[find the local bottle store and its just behind it.R250 if I remember correct] from there its dirt to Mattatela and to mount fletcher,from there you can take the Naudeers neck and explore [ the 10 10 is there] stay at walk abouts and from there you can go any were for a few days.[Tiffindale,war trail,the TTT, lundeens neck, upper and lower Tenner] Its simply amaizing adventure riding.
From there you go Brackley east and join up with your map.
Just a rough route, it will take around 4 days or up to a week depending on how much you want to explore.......
Happy Days
Cheers
Jim
Post by: Slim Jim on May 01, 2020, 03:10:19 pm
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 01, 2020, 03:50:05 pm
Post by: SchalkL on May 01, 2020, 04:26:40 pm
I have done many of the tracks mentioned in this thread and some of them are not easy achievable with big adventure bike if you not a VERY good rider.
The idea of the TAT is a route possible by 80% and the "extra" difficult options marked in red. How is this gonna work? Not the same as the TAT?
If you target is the overseas market they will 90% rent a bike and be big trouble.
OR do i misunderstand the purpose of this initiative ?
Cheers
Post by: Antonie on May 01, 2020, 05:17:14 pm
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Post by: Bloggs on May 01, 2020, 05:22:31 pm
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 06:32:56 pm
If you are looking for a route north from Joburg, and which has a purpose, then an option is to follow the Crocodile River from its inception in Krugersdorp to where it joins the Limpopo, and then to follow the Limpopo. A rough route is attached.That looks like a great option as well
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 06:41:05 pm
Just a concern here.............I would say 90% of the route will be extremely easy going if you have ridden dirt before. Factors like rain can make things very tricky but not much one can do about that. Can mark difficult sections in red, Bezuidenhouts Pass and Mitchells I see is pretty rough. As for the rest I dont know, Baviaans for instance unless there has been a lot of rain I don’t find very difficult at all ?
I have done many of the tracks mentioned in this thread and some of them are not easy achievable with big adventure bike if you not a VERY good rider.
The idea of the TAT is a route possible by 80% and the "extra" difficult options marked in red. How is this gonna work? Not the same as the TAT?
If you target is the overseas market they will 90% rent a bike and be big trouble.
OR do i misunderstand the purpose of this initiative ?
Cheers
Post by: XT JOE on May 01, 2020, 09:32:50 pm
As Cyril nou daai deure oopmaak, ry ek sommer die TET en die TAT, heeltemal plat.
Stem Daan- ek het darem so 6 trips werk toe gehad in laaste 2 weke-N2 is n droom en bike ry was lank laas so lekker :thumleft:
Post by: SchalkL on May 01, 2020, 09:36:13 pm
Tx for the hard work 👌
Post by: XT JOE on May 01, 2020, 10:02:11 pm
Working on loan pc at home so no maps to be viewed- and as i prefer to see the roads connecting the towns my initial thoughts as below. Alternative routes to be added and maybe points of interest, and then accommodation possibilities maybe. It s up to the individual as to how far they wish to travel so we can just lay it out and mention difficult allow for more time in relevant sections. Km based on Google maps which which we have found not 100% so hold the whip. Below is two options- without faffing to much which do you think is ideal- or alternative just stick to map co ords
Starting in Cape Town head out on N2
1/R44 or scenic R43 to Hermanus Stanford Gansbay ,Elim Augulas- (fromCT 225km )
Augulas to Bredasdorp right Malgas, crossing the pont to Vermaaklikheid and then Stillbay (from CT 435km)
or
2/Head north out of Stillbay on R305 for 16km turn right on Hectorskraal dirt rd 20 km later T junction N2 turn right and left into Albertinia take road north to Herbertsdale, at about 20 km follow sign turning right to Herbertsdale, 6 km out of town on the dirt road forks take right and 15 km later at t junction left and another 20km t junction with R328 tar road- take left to Oudshoorn
From Oudshoorn head south east towards George on N12 and where the roads join the N9 take a left towards Uniondale and after 9 km take a right on the historic Montague pass dirt road- travel 17 scenic km join N12 again into George. Staying on N12 through George take the Sewe Passe road to your left- for 75 km travel this scenic dirt road through little villages of Karatara ,Rheenedal finishing outside Knysna. Take N2 left to Knysna and on the eastern side of town take a left on the R339 Prins Alfreds pass. T junction with R62 right and immediate left staying on the R339
Any thoughts- will fill in the next bit onwards to Lesotho in next section :clock: :computer:
Driving North on R339 12 km to Uniondale top up fuel and 27km north on N9 you get the Baviaanskloof R332-
drive 200km of the finest dualsport roads in the country to Patensie-
Over Hankey 40 km on R331 to N2 turn left and after 10 km left off on R102 to Uitenage
Travelling north on R334 to Uitenage and out north east on R75 to Addo Elephant park 77km away
At Addo take the R342 right to Paterson 25 km-
Update again...
Post by: Losper on May 02, 2020, 12:01:27 am
The section between Barrydale and Seweweekspoort refers.
I am no "expert" of this area but I have ridden this track many years ago and can specifically remember it to be very scenic, it also included a number of great passes namely:
Moodies, Doringkraal , Seekoeigat, Wadrift, Gysmanskloof, Rooiberg, Huisrevierpass (part of the scenic Route 62) and Seweweekpoort pass.
The other advantage of this track is that it includes Swartberg pass (a must do as everybody knows ) and then further south it joins up with Montague pass.
Find attached the gpx file for download:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 02, 2020, 08:13:48 am
This is a one-way though, and the rider will have to come back out to Seweweekspoort, befor etaking the Vleilandroad to the Ladismith-Laingsburg road again. Very scenic, that Bosluiskloof, and one can meet
eccentric old Fox Liederboer, the self-appointed kamp-kommandant of Gamkaskloofdam. :biggrin:
The road that runs parallel to the N1 from the Laingsburg road to the Prins Albert road/Prince Albert has a gate or two in it. :eek7: :biggrin: Near the end of this road, it is also easy to take a wrong turning at
a fork and end up on the N1 instead of the Prins Albert access road. At the fork one has to go left.
Post by: Vis Arend on May 02, 2020, 08:48:24 am
Yes, Pieter, that is a very good suggestion for a route through that area. It could also be mentioned that at the end of Seweweekspoort, one can turn right into the Bosluiskloof, to the Gamkaspoortdam.
This is a one-way though, and the rider will have to come back out to Seweweekspoort, befor etaking the Vleilandroad to the Ladismith-Laingsburg road again. Very scenic, that Bosluiskloof, and one can meet eccentric old Fox Liederboer, the self-appointed kamp-kommandant of Gamkaskloofdam. :biggrin:
The road that runs parallel to the N1 from the Laingsburg road to the Prins Albert road/Prince Albert has a gate or two in it. :eek7: :biggrin: Near the end of this road, it is also easy to take a wrong turning at
a fork and end up on the N1 instead of the Prins Albert access road. At the fork one has to go left.
This is almost a must if you are in that area. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Post by: Bloggs on May 02, 2020, 02:55:02 pm
Post by: XT JOE on May 07, 2020, 10:06:22 am
XT Joe, have a look at this track.Agree- will change and modify
The section between Barrydale and Seweweekspoort refers.
I am no "expert" of this area but I have ridden this track many years ago and can specifically remember it to be very scenic, it also included a number of great passes namely:
Moodies, Doringkraal , Seekoeigat, Wadrift, Gysmanskloof, Rooiberg, Huisrevierpass (part of the scenic Route 62) and Seweweekpoort pass.
The other advantage of this track is that it includes Swartberg pass (a must do as everybody knows ) and then further south it joins up with Montague pass.
Find attached the gpx file for download:
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 04:34:45 pm
quite a eccentric clown this Austen Vince, really enjoyed their interesting V.I.N.C.E ride in Catalunya Spain
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 04:55:39 pm
Post by: Losper on May 08, 2020, 08:04:16 pm
The section between Patensie and Rhodes was supplied by Vis Arend.
The section north of Ermelo was supplied by Noneking.
I have divided it up into 8 parts simply because a single gpx file would be too big to upload.
Find below the gpx files 1 to 4 for download: (tracks 5 to 8 will be in the next post)
Post by: Losper on May 08, 2020, 08:07:10 pm
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 09:22:40 pm
Post by: XT JOE on May 09, 2020, 09:34:55 am
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
Post by: sidetrack on May 09, 2020, 08:20:29 pm
Thoughts on Limpopo/northwest to N/cape sectionOrrie is tough since you cant get access travelling from the north as far as I know. XT Joe we should combine forces, I have a semi decent webpage and everything :deal:
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
tsat.co.za
Have some tracks for LP but still have to pre ride them after Covid
Post by: sidetrack on May 11, 2020, 08:51:08 am
Tracks 5 to 8 for download:My suggestion to replace track 8, the pass running from Badplaas is a very nice ride and you cut out some tar taking it. I would also not go over Ermelo and rather stay on dirt towards Chrissiesmeer ?
Post by: XT JOE on May 12, 2020, 04:13:33 pm
Post by: XT JOE on May 13, 2020, 07:17:52 am
Its always been the plan Jacques, its not my route but ours and ours meaning everbody who assisted in someway or another. As we go along we can change as require. Nice site you got which you created, just surprised you did not put in on here until it was found by chance. Anyway going forward i'm waiting for details on the limpopo and down west loop scratching through jeepclubs to facebook sites and then we can put the puzzle together after a few dry runs.Thoughts on Limpopo/northwest to N/cape sectionOrrie is tough since you cant get access travelling from the north as far as I know. XT Joe we should combine forces, I have a semi decent webpage and everything :deal:
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
tsat.co.za
Have some tracks for LP but still have to pre ride them after Covid
Post by: XT JOE on May 13, 2020, 10:01:25 pm
Can we combine this into one thread please moderator
Thks
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 14, 2020, 06:45:15 pm
Post by: Sabre on May 14, 2020, 08:18:27 pm
I merged the topics on XT JOE's request. Should I leave it under General or movie it to planning a ride?I think it will get more exposure under General
Post by: Mayhem on May 14, 2020, 09:25:09 pm
We left Kloof and rode all dirt to Matatiele (day one) then to Rhodes via Ongeluksnek and Telle bridge (day two) spent an extra day in Rhodes because it was so awesome. It was winter and lots of snow and very cold. Then down to Hogsback (day three). From there to Baviaans via Steytlerville (day four). Then over Swartberg to Prince Albert (day five). Across to Tankwa (probably the longest single stretch of tar) to Oasis (day six). Last day across to Westcoast down to Cape Town. We were on HP2, 990, 660 and 650 XR. Mostly easy riding except Lesotho section and a bit of Eastern Cape. B&B all the way.Did Durban to Cape town with 200 km tar and 2800 km dirtHave you got any further details?
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How long did you take, where did you overnight, etc.
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Post by: XT JOE on May 15, 2020, 02:48:34 pm
1. I recommend starting at Groot Brak police station – Eight bells, Herbertsdale, Cloetes pass, Van wyklsdorp, Rooibergpass, Calitzdorp, Groen vlei road pass Nelsdam , kruisrivier, swartberg pass, Prins albert. Stay at railway calitzdorp(nice pub) or Prins albert. This is my most scenic road in the country. Check in at photographer in Kruisrivier -rodger young.
2. Then come back over pass and go via Kango Caves, agricultural roads pass De Rust (iow south of Swartberg mountain range) to Willowmore, baviaans, patensie, Hankey.
3. This part I don’t know so well. You can go to East Londen either along coast or inland and then go via Transkei dirt roads to Kokstad. From Kokstad I there is a lovely dirt road wrapping the Lesotho border all the way up to Winterton and Bergville amazing scenery and no cars. You can shoot in to Nottingham roadl in midlands nice breweries.
4. I will then aim for Normandien pass – must do - (steep but doable on 1200 – steeper sections cemented ), to Meumel, and Wakkerstroom, all dirt roads. Wakkerstroom the place to stay but Meumel hotel also very nce
5. Wakker stroom to Dullstroom maybe over Machado dorp. Dull stroom very scenic.
6. At Dullstroom area you HAVE to stay with Joe Holmes (Bush boys – 0825791861) just outside Tonteldoos – these is not a larger adventure bike personality on the planet! Or Peter in Tonteldoos, they are buddies. They will assist with routes in area.
7. If you want to do lowveld, contact Mark Taylor he knows that area well. But Joe will also know.
8. Limpopo I do not know that well – Rankins pass near Thabazimbie a must – stay at Thaba Nkwe 5KM ouside Thabazimbie. Nice pub and restaurant. 0829262693
9. If you can find your way to Zeerust and Mafeking - I know there is a route that runs along the Botswana border that starts near a natural spring outside Mafekeng, and goes all the way to Vanzyls Rus – I have done part of it, it is in the Molopo river. It is not too sandy. I did part of it on a KDX 200, a friend did it on a Dakar 650 recently. The route was in a recent Go Magazine about 6 months ago.
10. Aim for Upington (you may want to pass through my home town Upington to stock up/ do bike repairs as it is last chance before Springbok really – my old home town)
11. From Upington - don’t take tar to Keimoes too busy trucks etc. Dirt road via Louisvale, Kanon Eiland (go over beautiful bridge – just to see river but stick to dirt road) – Neilers drift, Neus, Kakamas (still dirt).
12. Kakamans – Augrabies, Blouputz, over bridge over Orange river, to Riemvasmaak. Sleep there- chalets and hot water springs / a beautiful canyon- Vredesvallei road also one of most scenic routes ever. On my GPX there is a loop through mountains but it is technical although amazing. Take faster dirt back to Kakamas or same vredesvallei road to Blouputz and dirt to Pofadder – tar to pella.
13. From Augrabies there is a dirt road to town of pella - visit roman catholic catherdral.
14. Sleep at Klein Pella Guest farm - best place - great camping/ chalets and pool. go down to river to look at date plantations. One of biggest farms in SA.
15. From there you can join the Namaqua eco route of which I have done only a portion. From Klein Pella farm you take a dirt road west and turn off down to river at Witbank sign.
16. This road will lead to a road all on the banks of the Orange river all the way to Goodhouse – goes further but from there I don’t know it – do research as there may be sand bit amazing 4x4 route -did it more than 10 years ago.
17. Then you can go all the way up to sendelings drift via the Eksteen, kubus, - then to Alexander Bay , it is a conservancy and amazing routes -some mountains and sand – cant go into park with bike.
18. Then to port nolloth (I did work there) – lovely town.
19. I would not go to hondekilp bay with bigger bikers lots of and. I will aim for springbok then south along dirt road along escarpment (west of N7) to Garies.
20. Aim for Clanwillaim -do the longest dirt road south to Tankwa and do old postal route via Biedouw valley to Wuppertal and 4x4 route to Ceres. If in winder Doring river may be full -then via botterkloof pass.
Post by: SchalkL on May 16, 2020, 09:25:30 pm
Its fairly easy to use basecamp with T4A and just plot the gravel closest to the SA border to meet up with Track1 again but what the road really looks like is another story?? I assume the aim is still for the average big adv bike rider to do this?
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 18, 2020, 04:52:21 pm
I merged the topics on XT JOE's request. Should I leave it under General or movie it to planning a ride?I think it will get more exposure under General
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Post by: Kleebs on May 18, 2020, 09:32:14 pm
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2020, 12:22:40 pm
Both will have breakout rides from GP to join the track (TSAT south breakout not shown here)
Post by: JonW on May 20, 2020, 12:57:50 pm
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Post by: bud500 on May 20, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
Some suggestions:
1. You need a banner on the beta site's landing page "shouting" out the trail's name. Although the logo is awesome, it's a bit hidden.
2. Considering foreigners, one would have to be very clear around visa requirements if the route goes out of SA and into Lesotho or Swazi.
3. In terms of funding, maybe consider a certificate of completion, for a small fee. Such as the Ironbutt Association does, or the Aussie Hard Arse Rider Challenge.
Keep up the good work. :ricky:
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 09:09:26 am
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 09:17:53 am
Post by: SchalkL on May 21, 2020, 09:52:29 am
Cheers.
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 10:14:38 am
Little bit of point but i just looked at ioverlander website or app and its amazing. Camping spots all over the world including everywhere on the TSAT.Great now to merge the two :thumleft:
Cheers.
Post by: JonW on May 23, 2020, 10:58:15 am
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.
I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.
I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Post by: sidetrack on May 23, 2020, 12:04:46 pm
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good :thumleft:OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.
I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.
I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Post by: 73 Peanut on May 24, 2020, 08:19:36 pm
Post by: bud500 on May 25, 2020, 09:58:49 am
https://appalachiantrail.org/explore/
Post by: JonW on May 25, 2020, 07:30:34 pm
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good :thumleft:OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.
I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.
I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.
Will take a few pics along the way.
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 09:15:32 am
Great :thumleft:Great thanks, real KZN sounds good :thumleft:OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.
It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.
The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.
I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.
I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.
I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.
Will take a few pics along the way.
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:23:58 pm
Post by: OomD on May 26, 2020, 12:37:57 pm
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:39:57 pm
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:42:18 pm
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.
Post by: bud500 on May 26, 2020, 12:49:04 pm
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.
I would include those as POI or Accom options/detours.
Travellers can choose to go there, but it takes quite some time to travel safely.
Post by: gser on May 27, 2020, 11:03:41 am
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2020, 11:10:32 am
Lyk baie goed ...Cape Agulhas is in the southern route. Alexanderbaai in in the northern route. This is not really a 4 corners track more of a crossing SA one. The TAT is the same goes from East to West through the middle of the country. But yes many options.
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
Post by: roxenz on May 27, 2020, 11:29:22 am
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.
sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)
Possible, or too much?
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2020, 11:37:49 am
Definitely I was thinking of doing it per section say max 400km a day or so. How the interactive map will be constructed I have no idea. Maybe some type of link to Google maps ? I'm also a newbie at website building as you can see from what we have already. As soon as the route is set and I think this is needed as including too many options we will have a hundred paths running all over the country then one can setup an interactive map like you mentioned.Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.
sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)
Possible, or too much?
Post by: JonW on June 01, 2020, 05:30:38 pm
This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.
Will take a few pics along the way.
So we did a circular trip along part of the proposed Kzn leg of the TSAT, and it was a really nice ride.
Didn't stop and take many pics, but here are a few:
Post by: JonW on June 01, 2020, 05:32:06 pm
Post by: sidetrack on June 02, 2020, 01:01:33 pm
Post by: XT JOE on June 24, 2020, 07:32:18 pm
Post by: sidetrack on June 25, 2020, 01:04:16 pm
Holding thumbs to do a run up from Ct following most of this route up to at least southern Mpumalanga maybe a bit more, just to much to see with newly acquired pig :ricky:This no border crossing better stop soon, need to confirm the MP and LP tracks :biggrin:
Post by: OomD on June 26, 2020, 10:03:37 am
Just wondering.
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on June 30, 2020, 02:13:50 pm
Great effort guys, thanks!
Post by: sidetrack on July 22, 2020, 12:16:20 pm
This is looking really interesting ... will there be a North loop for those starting from the South and a South loop from those starting from the North?Yip north that leads from Saldanha to Musina
Great effort guys, thanks!
South Musina to Cape Agulhas
First release will be a beta route for the brave, as we ride it we can improve where needed
Post by: chicco on July 22, 2020, 12:41:15 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=38421.msg765121#msg765121
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=92930.0
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 10:55:25 am
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 10:57:13 am
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 11:07:13 am
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vkzv3w5trjsmdsc/TSAT%20North.gpx?dl=0
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 11:10:03 am
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 10:52:40 am
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
Post by: Gee S on August 11, 2020, 03:19:14 pm
Very good suggestion @Bloggs, and not detracting in the least from the TSAT. You make good points in terms of tourism being the lifeblood of many small towns. I would like to add guest farms to that as many farmers also rely heavily on tourism to boost revenues. They can also offer a unique experience and input for especially foreign tourists.Great Idea Dorsland. I would add Bray to this route
I would also like to see a possible alternative route around the north western and/or central part of the country that typically is neglected to a large extent. Towns that could be included (some not that small) are Vanzylsrus, Kuruman, Upington, Keimoes, Pofadder, Pella, Carnarvon, Vanrhynsdorp, Ceres etc. Maybe an interlinking route between your suggestion and my proposed route could be included.
Just a few things to think about.
Post by: roxenz on August 11, 2020, 05:07:25 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast! ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:26:28 pm
Hi did you follow the same route ? I think the pass south of Hogsback alone is going to keep one busy quite some time. It’s over 700km all dirt. See the planning a ride post, two options thereInput please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast! ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=250295.msg4503236#msg4503236
Post by: JonW on August 11, 2020, 05:31:37 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast! ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Petrol is available in Rhodes.
Not a formal fuel station, but a local resident has a sideline business supplying fuel at a small mark-up. he seems to keep quite a bit of fuel in stock, so no need to pre-order.
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:33:07 pm
Good to know :thumleft:Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast! ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Petrol is available in Rhodes.
Not a formal fuel station, but a local resident has a sideline business supplying fuel at a small mark-up. he seems to keep quite a bit of fuel in stock, so no need to pre-order.
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:33:41 pm
Post by: bud500 on August 12, 2020, 10:38:32 am
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 11:17:43 am
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:09:40 pm
It's 724km from Rhodes to Hogback on the TSAT, shorter if one cuts out entering Hogsback from the south on the rough pass but I think it needs to be part of the adventure. Need a place in between to camp / stay over.Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?
@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast! ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:13:51 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:47:51 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 03:06:36 pm
Post by: SchalkL on August 12, 2020, 03:34:24 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 04:18:35 pm
Ek is nie seker wat die intensie van die pad behoort te wees nie maar daai stukkie van Patensie na Steytler is frikken hairy. Kanse vir omval op klippe met 1000+ Adv bike is 90% (of ek ry net kak :xxbah: )Schalk last time I did that route was many years ago on a DRZ400 and my friends were on 650 singles. It was not tough on those bikes at least but things may also have changed. Make an alternative suggestion and we keep that one as a technical option ? It was quite scenic from what I remember :thumleft:
Post by: SchalkL on August 12, 2020, 08:34:49 pm
IT is very scenic yes, did it about 3 months ago in a 4x4 and its ok for a 650 but bigger you will have to know your stuff. Problem for me is not the falling over but if solo and break a leg or something you in big shit. Definitely better fm Patensie to Sville though, going down the rocky side instead of up.Ek is nie seker wat die intensie van die pad behoort te wees nie maar daai stukkie van Patensie na Steytler is frikken hairy. Kanse vir omval op klippe met 1000+ Adv bike is 90% (of ek ry net kak :xxbah: )Schalk last time I did that route was many years ago on a DRZ400 and my friends were on 650 singles. It was not tough on those bikes at least but things may also have changed. Make an alternative suggestion and we keep that one as a technical option ? It was quite scenic from what I remember :thumleft:
Alternative is 40km further but very nice fast flat gravel for a big bike.
Attached.
Post by: BirdRanger on August 12, 2020, 08:56:19 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 09:57:58 pm
Hi, I love this idea and would like to get involved with this plotting thing but for the Nubes like me around here, what GPS and software do I need to use these files? ThanksHi Garmin Basecamp and Google Earth is all I use.
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Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2020, 08:15:10 am
Post by: BirdRanger on August 18, 2020, 09:06:24 am
So lockdown is semi lifted, who is going to be first to report back on a section :deal: I'm looking at exploring part of the Lydenburg route soon.Would like to tag along for a day if it’s over a weekend?
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Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2020, 09:51:33 am
Will keep you updated :thumleft:So lockdown is semi lifted, who is going to be first to report back on a section :deal: I'm looking at exploring part of the Lydenburg route soon.Would like to tag along for a day if it’s over a weekend?
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Post by: dominic on August 20, 2020, 09:55:56 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2020, 11:08:27 am
Hey sidetrack need any assistance with the website?Always looking for input to improve it
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2020, 12:37:45 pm
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Post by: BirdRanger on August 26, 2020, 06:43:54 pm
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Post by: roxenz on August 26, 2020, 06:58:50 pm
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2020, 07:16:27 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 26, 2020, 07:32:06 pm
Post by: roxenz on August 26, 2020, 08:02:16 pm
I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000 :patch:
That would be amazingly cheap for folks earning euros or dollars. Of course, bike rental will be a lot more, but still.
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2020, 09:06:56 pm
Thanks sometimes feel like I’m talking to myself :o SA has so many tracks, the route on page 1 is a good starting point me thinks. If anyone has ridden parts of it or have better suggestions please let us know. Some parts I logged with GE and dont even know if it’s rideable. On a side note I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000 :patch:
Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend. :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Post by: sidetrack on August 27, 2020, 09:09:01 am
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?Thanks sometimes feel like I’m talking to myself :o SA has so many tracks, the route on page 1 is a good starting point me thinks. If anyone has ridden parts of it or have better suggestions please let us know. Some parts I logged with GE and dont even know if it’s rideable. On a side note I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000 :patch:
Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend. :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Post by: mordy on August 27, 2020, 03:39:39 pm
Post by: I&horse on August 27, 2020, 08:12:53 pm
Post by: BiG DoM on August 27, 2020, 08:15:46 pm
Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend. :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
[/quote]Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
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46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
Post by: sidetrack on August 28, 2020, 09:56:53 am
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend. :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
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46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
[/quote]Yes see some good roads there
Post by: Ventana on August 28, 2020, 10:08:37 am
- now I just need to find the time to do it........
Post by: BiG DoM on August 29, 2020, 09:26:08 pm
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend. :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
[/quote]Yes see some good roads there
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Ok so those maps must be an old Rally Raid but do show some routes in the area. Just an update on 47 Mitchells Pass - after they rebuilt it a few years ago it was a veritable gravel highway having been virtually impassable at one stage. Well now it is starting to return to its previous ignominious state! Still quite rideable by intermediate riders, with a few washed out areas starting to show bedrock again. Momentum is key. Avoid if possible if very wet. They should really repair it now while they can.
Post by: charlatan on August 30, 2020, 12:17:13 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 31, 2020, 07:23:21 am
Just came across this thread. Think it's a great idea, but where can I see the full route? The .gpx linked on the first thread is 3.5kb and contains only one waypoint (Mankele campsite). :-\It's fixed, correct file uploaded (16MB)
Post by: charlatan on August 31, 2020, 10:58:08 pm
We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.
Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 07:58:14 am
Thanks for fixing!Great thanks a lot, so the water crossing is on the TSAT route ?
We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.
Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 08:44:10 am
Post by: roxenz on September 01, 2020, 09:00:03 am
Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in greenPerhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?
@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).
Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!) :thumleft:
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 09:13:49 am
That would be great but it will take some doing, I'm only adding bits and bobs here and there in between my real work ::) Progress is slow and I don't really have a mind for business as I can attest by always selling my bikes for a loss :lol8: But one can always try. Yes not sure if it will ever be 100%, just the accommodation for example I pulled of GE as they are close or near the route. Cant say if they all still exist or will even be motorcycle friendly but as a collective I'm sure we can get this to work.Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in greenPerhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?
@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).
Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!) :thumleft:
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 09:14:58 am
Thanks for fixing!May I use some of the photos for the Instagram page ? If you can remember on which section it was taken ?
We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.
Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
Post by: charlatan on September 02, 2020, 09:07:19 am
Great thanks a lot, so the water crossing is on the TSAT route ?
Yes, Track 72 where it crosses the Doringrivier
May I use some of the photos for the Instagram page ? If you can remember on which section it was taken ?
No problem with me, but I'll have to check with the other guys first.
The first pic is towards the end of Track #70, Gannaga lodge and pass is on #71, and the rest are all on #72
Post by: charlatan on September 02, 2020, 05:33:19 pm
If you do decide to travel this route, please be considerate and respect the land owners, i.e. take it slow.
Post by: mordy on October 03, 2020, 03:17:10 pm
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Post by: BiG DoM on October 03, 2020, 03:32:33 pm
Post by: mordy on October 03, 2020, 03:55:18 pm
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Post by: sidetrack on October 04, 2020, 05:57:31 pm
@sidetrack I rode the section with the turnoff between Roosenekal and Lydenburg about 2 days ago. I think it was the Beetge turnoff. There are some technical rocky sections and amazing views. Only problem is after all that there's a locked black gate about three quarters into the route to the R37. Strange as the previous 3 gates I went through were just closed. So that option would be just go check the views and come back or find some way to get through there (maybe there's someone at Salberg river retreat that can open or has the combo or whatever). (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201003/7ac13858061484c38e2ab3d821d84c43.jpg)Thanks there is another option Hazyview side. I have tried to call Salberg a number of times but the number on the internet does not work.
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Post by: Hennie on January 18, 2021, 08:44:08 am
I am planning a bike trip with a friend from Pretoria to Baviaanskloof and Gamkaskloof and back in April.
Do you have a route available yet? At a cost of course.
Post by: SchalkL on January 30, 2021, 09:51:22 am
Post by: Ventana on March 05, 2021, 08:32:20 pm
Is the site down at the moment? - Google Chrome giving me a "Site cant be reached" message.....
Post by: Grunder on March 06, 2021, 08:42:41 pm
www.tsat.co.za
Is the site down at the moment? - Google Chrome giving me a "Site cant be reached" message.....
same
Post by: voorvel on March 06, 2021, 09:04:13 pm
Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in greenPerhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?
@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).
Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!) :thumleft:
I'm also following this with interest, from NL.
The issue that I have is that ZA is far from everything. This means flights are expensive for me and where do I find a proper bike?
In the EU where everything is within +-1300km from me, the TET is still free to download and ride. (Higher demand)
According to my knowledge, the only financial benefits that stemmed from the TET is the Carpe Iter device.
https://www.thorkracing.com/en/carpe-navigation/ (https://www.thorkracing.com/en/carpe-navigation/)
Post by: sidetrack on March 09, 2021, 11:19:20 am
Flights to the EU from SA is a lot cheaper than to OZ or USA for example, not the same for you ? 10 hour flight and sommer buy a bike here in SA :ricky: Plenty of BM's to rent but who would want to do the TSAT on a BM ;) Anyway the TSAT is half dead at this point (see first post), not much interest from people to verify routes and make suggestions. The best option is to ride it oneself and get a definitive route.Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in greenPerhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?
@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).
Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!) :thumleft:
I'm also following this with interest, from NL.
The issue that I have is that ZA is far from everything. This means flights are expensive for me and where do I find a proper bike?
In the EU where everything is within +-1300km from me, the TET is still free to download and ride. (Higher demand)
According to my knowledge, the only financial benefits that stemmed from the TET is the Carpe Iter device.
https://www.thorkracing.com/en/carpe-navigation/ (https://www.thorkracing.com/en/carpe-navigation/)
Post by: sidetrack on March 09, 2021, 11:20:06 am
Post by: Spectaitor on June 11, 2021, 08:34:46 am
A friend and I have an interesting idea to do the North, West, East and southern most tips of ZA. I have a feeling that using the current TSAT routes may help with the planning?
Post by: caconcepts on July 29, 2021, 09:16:02 am
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on July 29, 2021, 09:22:42 am
So who will be the first to do the whole TSAT.........? Please point me towards the gpx file, can't seem to find it anywhere in this thread. :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
It was withdrawn.....
Post by: JonW on July 29, 2021, 09:27:11 am
So who will be the first to do the whole TSAT.........? Please point me towards the gpx file, can't seem to find it anywhere in this thread. :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Attached is the KZN section of the TSAT that I was responsible for.
Post by: sidetrack on July 29, 2021, 09:44:05 am
https://mlasset-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/jacquesb_mlasset_onmicrosoft_com/EZEFOc75Hv5Fttj7b7riWvoBkAcFk_fR_iA5aIJTGCtGoQ?e=kPWhv0
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on July 29, 2021, 09:53:12 am
Hi guys it's still here (the Southern route), this was the plan but be warned it has not been ridden yet and recommended accommodation not tested. I pulled the website etc due to lack of interest.
https://mlasset-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/jacquesb_mlasset_onmicrosoft_com/EZEFOc75Hv5Fttj7b7riWvoBkAcFk_fR_iA5aIJTGCtGoQ?e=kPWhv0
You did a lot of work on this - I know we chatted about it a while back, but maybe I must look at hosting it on one of my websites again - I spoke to my IT guy about it at one point, I will look into it again I think!
Steve
Post by: sidetrack on July 29, 2021, 09:55:28 am
Yes I think there is a lot of potential, I was very keen when the first lock down arrived and sitting at home but it has been a tough 2 years for many and I think it started to slip through the cracks. Just imagine someone like Itchy Boots could have punted it for us :biggrin:Hi guys it's still here (the Southern route), this was the plan but be warned it has not been ridden yet and recommended accommodation not tested. I pulled the website etc due to lack of interest.
https://mlasset-my.sharepoint.com/:u:/g/personal/jacquesb_mlasset_onmicrosoft_com/EZEFOc75Hv5Fttj7b7riWvoBkAcFk_fR_iA5aIJTGCtGoQ?e=kPWhv0
You did a lot of work on this - I know we chatted about it a while back, but maybe I must look at hosting it on one of my websites again - I spoke to my IT guy about it at one point, I will look into it again I think!
Steve
Post by: sidetrack on July 29, 2021, 09:57:03 am
Post by: caconcepts on July 29, 2021, 10:16:52 am
If anyone follows the tracks pleas let us know how it turns out so we can chop and change where needed to improve.
Thanks for the link sidetrack, looks awesome.
Post by: caconcepts on July 29, 2021, 11:31:41 am
https://www.timeslive.co.za/sunday-times/lifestyle/travel/2020-01-19-yes-you-can-drive-from-joburg-to-cape-town-using-only-dirt-roads/
Post by: caconcepts on July 29, 2021, 03:46:05 pm
Post by: Welsh on August 08, 2021, 08:04:24 am
If anybody is mates with Joey Evans, he did JHB to Cape Town on gravel, that's quite large portion taken care of.Joey was on here at one stage.
Post by: caconcepts on August 10, 2021, 10:12:20 am
Post by: BiG DoM on August 10, 2021, 10:59:30 am
Post by: caconcepts on August 10, 2021, 01:03:40 pm
Thanks for the recce :imaposer: Some GPS waypoints would be useful too. :thumleft:
Can be seen on google maps...... -27.075842, 28.982630. Also see there is a little detour on there, but gates were locked.
Post by: Mikie on August 10, 2021, 01:24:56 pm
Thanks for the recce :imaposer: Some GPS waypoints would be useful too. :thumleft:
Can be seen on google maps...... -27.075842, 28.982630. Also see there is a little detour on there, but gates were locked.
Looks like quite long detour
Post by: BiG DoM on August 10, 2021, 03:11:37 pm
Post by: sidetrack on August 13, 2021, 09:56:59 am
And this is why recci's have to be done. This used to be a normal little gravel track. Found this on my route yesterday kinda in the middle of Standerton, Villiers and Vrede. Needless to say I did not attempt the jump.This was not on the TSAT ?
Post by: caconcepts on August 13, 2021, 10:08:43 am
And this is why recci's have to be done. This used to be a normal little gravel track. Found this on my route yesterday kinda in the middle of Standerton, Villiers and Vrede. Needless to say I did not attempt the jump.This was not on the TSAT ?
You are right, was merely referring to gravel tracks in general. They all look drivable on basecamp.
Post by: Welsh on August 13, 2021, 06:37:13 pm
And this is why recci's have to be done. This used to be a normal little gravel track. Found this on my route yesterday kinda in the middle of Standerton, Villiers and Vrede. Needless to say I did not attempt the jump.I think we have been there at least twice on Bash and other runs. :biggrin: