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Title: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 11:13:33 am
Anyone ever thought about putting together a dirt route from coast to coast or even north south through SA ? Pretty sure one can make it all the way with minimal tar  :deal: Lets start

www.tsat.co.za

UPDATE - V1.5
Confirmed sections to be marked in green
09/09/2020 Confirmed sections marked in green

It's good to see more and more guys posting ride reports, as the lockdown hopefully winds down we need to get out there and support the small towns and business. Please see version 1 Beta of the TSAT South. About 50% is mapped on Google Earth and the rest gathered from tracks I had or were supplied thus the entire route is not 100% accurate. It does not go into Lesotho as I think this needs to be a SA route and not going into extra visas and passports what have you. Also no Wildcoast as I don't know the area but we can amend if needed. If you want to add or improve sections indicate it on the attached route below. The route is broken up into numbered sections. If you can ride one of these sections please use the number and give us feedback on ways to improve this section or maybe suggested another alternative ?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/v9jbf3sqqiadc6b/TSAT%20South%20final.gpx?dl=0
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: allan.cawood on October 07, 2019, 11:17:02 am
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Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 11:18:03 am
Fastest routes between these points around 2000km so I reckon with dirt we can easily get to 2500 - 3000km trip
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Post by: edgy on October 07, 2019, 11:19:24 am
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Post by: Kaboef on October 07, 2019, 11:21:39 am
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 11:25:25 am
So many options one could go west or south east from Musina but I think to keep some direction one should do a Musina - Tzaneen - Polokwane (Pietersburg) stretch. Lovely area for DS bikes.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 11:50:32 am
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......

I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on October 07, 2019, 11:56:25 am
My ears pricked up  :sip: who is planning the route?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on October 07, 2019, 11:57:03 am
Rode a 701 from Cape Town to Nelspruit, almost exclusively on dirt- covered 2800 km in 7 days
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Mayhem on October 07, 2019, 12:02:44 pm
Did Durban to Cape town with 200 km tar and 2800 km dirt

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:11:18 pm
My ears pricked up  :sip: who is planning the route?
Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 12:15:54 pm
My ears pricked up  :sip: who is planning the route?
Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.

And the other way on the way back.......  >:D
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:16:52 pm
My ears pricked up  :sip: who is planning the route?
Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.

And the other way on the way back.......  >:D
:thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 07, 2019, 12:18:47 pm
Would really be interesting to see how much dirt be done zigzagging from Alexanderbay to Pongola keeping to as close to the coast as possible.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 07, 2019, 12:19:15 pm
My ears pricked up  :sip: who is planning the route?
Team effort, reckon on the north to south route we can do a A and B option either side of Lesotho towards CPT.

And the other way on the way back.......  >:D
:thumleft:

I have to reload T4A - it's gone all square on MapSource and Basecamp - no iea whats happening there, so no planning from me today......
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Gérrard on October 07, 2019, 12:45:17 pm
Many years ago a friend and a buddy did the whole coast line on XR500's as much as possible on the beach. Just a few places they had to go inland. Was an epic trip. Wives followed in caravan along the roads in support.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BuRP on October 07, 2019, 12:46:56 pm
@Beserker , kum in langman, kum in.....  ;)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Grunder on October 07, 2019, 12:52:37 pm
Rode a 701 from Cape Town to Nelspruit, almost exclusively on dirt- covered 2800 km in 7 days

So now a route only has to be calculated from Nelspruit to Musina  :deal:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 07, 2019, 12:57:27 pm
 :peepwall:
Dotcoza taken already
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Cracker on October 07, 2019, 01:54:08 pm
Would really be interesting to see how much dirt be done zigzagging from Alexanderbay to Pongola keeping to as close to the coast as possible.

Now, that would be a good one .........................  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 11:38:49 am
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......

I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?

Here's the Parys/De-Aar section....
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MillionMiles on October 08, 2019, 11:52:38 am
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Post by: TylerD on October 08, 2019, 01:25:03 pm
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:07:51 pm
I completed the TSAT, someone can design stickers so long  :deal: We really are lucky in SA as I was checking the map you can go from the dry Boababs in the north to the green rolling hills of Mpumalanga then onto the Midlands into proper forests in Hogsback then the vast expanses of the Karoo ending by the sea in WC  8) I reckon the end / start of the route should be Cape Point
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 02:15:01 pm
I completed the TSAT, someone can design stickers so long  :deal: We really are lucky in SA as I was checking the map you can go from the dry Boababs in the north to the green rolling hills of Mpumalanga then onto the Midlands into proper forests in Hogsback then the vast expanses of the Karoo ending by the sea in WC  8) I reckon the end / start of the route should be Cape Point

Pics or it didnt happen......
Or at the very least, a RR??
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:17:48 pm
There has been many 4 corners RR's as well. One could even split a route like that into 4 parts. I just like the idea of crossing through the country from point A to B
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 08, 2019, 02:19:18 pm
What would you guys say will be must see places on the route ? Look at this view close to Port St Johns from Michnus  8)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Grunder on October 08, 2019, 02:20:44 pm
What would you guys say will be must see places on the route ? Look at this pic from Michnus (Port St Johns)  8)

Well if we had a route and direction then we could start plotting must see places.
- Knysna peaks to the east
- Namaqua flowers to the north   (from Cape Point obviously)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 08, 2019, 02:23:53 pm
I basically have a route from Near Musina to De Aar now - in between work - but this seems more of a CT to Musina route than E/W or N/S....

Somewhere I have a coastal circumnavigation as well.....
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: NearlyThere on October 11, 2019, 01:52:02 pm
So pleased to see that other people are interested in this. It doesn't look like SA lends itself to just one route. Maybe a coastal circumnavigation plus a latitudinal route and a longitudinal one?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on October 13, 2019, 09:26:28 am
I have a lot of tracks somewhere that need to be pre-run that I started putting together for Alex before he started getting serious with Amageza. It was a lot of km but I got from Port Nolloth all the way to Messina and then over through the old Transvaal Drakensberg to Badplaas with very little tar.

Going to go an look on an old computer now for it.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Brink on October 13, 2019, 12:00:56 pm
"Subskraaibed"
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: WNaude on October 13, 2019, 04:50:06 pm
I think it's definitely worth putting a nice track together for the dirt bikes.
Count me in sidetrack.

Always been on my bucket list. 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: StofVreter on October 13, 2019, 05:17:04 pm
Hier kom 'n ding! Hou aan manne! Ek is baie nuuskierig!  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: lone riderer on October 13, 2019, 07:20:56 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mike gs on October 13, 2019, 08:40:23 pm
What about a big circular route, with spots to branch off into a particular area of interest?

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ROOI on October 14, 2019, 07:54:36 am
I completed the TSAT, someone can design stickers so long  :deal: We really are lucky in SA as I was checking the map you can go from the dry Boababs in the north to the green rolling hills of Mpumalanga then onto the Midlands into proper forests in Hogsback then the vast expanses of the Karoo ending by the sea in WC  8) I reckon the end / start of the route should be Cape Point
Pls send e-mail
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on October 14, 2019, 08:43:37 am
I have a lot of tracks somewhere that need to be pre-run that I started putting together for Alex before he started getting serious with Amageza. It was a lot of km but I got from Port Nolloth all the way to Messina and then over through the old Transvaal Drakensberg to Badplaas with very little tar.

Going to go an look on an old computer now for it.

I can put it together if you want to email them to me?
steven (@) majita.co.za
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 05, 2020, 09:55:34 pm
Due to a error on my side not seeing  Sidetracks planning a very simliar route- i changed this to a bucket list- share and add your input-thanks


Ive been catching up on on rides and reads and U tubeing a bit thanks to 5G lockdown- and have always wondered if we had or have planned a cris cross or cross SA routes. We definitely have got the roads but its those hidden jewels thats not always general knowledge that can make the difference. Imagine a two week ride and you can see Klein Karoo/Swartbergpass/Baviaanskloof and then some EC rural through Grahamstown area then onwards for a Transkei to Natal midlands around Swaziland  up Mpumalanga curving left through Limpopo then down the N/West to Northern Province running south here over Groot Karoo or something like that. Should be pretty do able with guys from each province adding in  routes through their area and them we stick it together adding in B&B's, camp sites, fuel, spares back up etc if required anywhere. Any thoughts

battling to load the correct TET map but you what im on about
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 05, 2020, 10:07:37 pm
Could be interesting to see what comes out of here.....

Ek is al so lus vir langpad ek sny sommer die gras.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: katana on April 05, 2020, 10:33:01 pm
Interested  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on April 06, 2020, 09:01:06 am
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2020, 09:28:53 am
Some long while back I wrote a route for a Dog in KZN, mostly gravel, that takes you through all the Karoo's. He took nine days to do it.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 06, 2020, 09:50:58 am
Kan jy dit dalk opspoor Jup?  Sal gaaf wees om dit onder oë te kry.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on April 06, 2020, 01:33:05 pm
Some long while back I wrote a route for a Dog in KZN, mostly gravel, that takes you through all the Karoo's. He took nine days to do it.

That sounds like an awesome gesture
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2020, 02:20:33 pm
He started an RR but never finished it. Will see if I can find it
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Gérrard on April 06, 2020, 03:28:09 pm
Here is the RR where you can get a basic idea of the route http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=140765.0
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 01:10:39 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=241580.0

Definitely possible in fact we have enough dirt to create maybe four routes coast to coast. The most difficult part is what to include and what to leave out ! I rode from Kroonstad FS to Winburg for example almost all on dirt just from service roads and that is not even an area usually visited by the DS crowd.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 07, 2020, 02:42:03 pm
This may well be a thread worth reviving.  It seems the latest iteration of this idea http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=246850.new;topicseen#new could possibly be combined with this fred? 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Crossed-up on April 07, 2020, 04:22:08 pm
Some years ago there was an article in a local magazine about guys competing to cover the distance with least amount of tar. I don't remember the tar-distance, but it wasn't much.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Ventana on April 07, 2020, 04:59:09 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 05:15:29 pm
This may well be a thread worth reviving.  It seems the latest iteration of this idea http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=246850.new;topicseen#new could possibly be combined with this fred?
Good idea
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: skydiver on April 07, 2020, 07:36:19 pm
This will be awesome and it will be something to promote locally as well as abroad  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Sprocketbek on April 07, 2020, 08:14:22 pm
About 10 years ago a friend of mine did a West to East trip, about 10 guys on bikes.
From what I recall they kept along the breedtegraad, and arranged access to private land. In total they did less than 10 km of tar, and stuck to the straight line as far as possible.

Was an amazing trip  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mike gs on April 07, 2020, 08:18:59 pm
Rhodes would have to feature somewhere on this sort of trip.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 07, 2020, 10:33:40 pm
XT Joe if I may I have a route running from Kroonstad up to Beaufort West / Murraysburg so far (including Katberg, Hogsback and Baviaans etc). The area in red I have very little info for. Was thinking of maybe going from Beaufort West up to maybe even Carnarvon then accross to the West Coast to head back down to Cape Agulhas. Any idea for these Karoo roads ? Katbakkies Pass and the other famous WC roads to the north (Tankwa) ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bill the Bong on April 08, 2020, 08:25:32 am
The only rule for any such route is that it needs to go through Upington.  Its the center of the universe.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: gser on April 08, 2020, 09:01:59 am
Sub ...
How about along the entire coast line and along our northern border with Nam , Bot , Zim  and along the Kruger Park and mSwati  (Swaziland) . . . .to boarder post with Moz at Kosibaai ...
That route can be started and ended along any point .....
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 08, 2020, 02:54:45 pm
I started getting all  :ricky: about this, then  :-\, when I realised I would not have the time any time soon to do such a long ride.

So I will follow this for one day, but in the meantime will try and put together the awesome-est 4-5 day round trip from CT

#keepthedreamalive
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JC on April 08, 2020, 03:13:45 pm
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......

I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?

@kalahariben organised that. The GPS I used is long gone though...

He once planned a Gauteng to Durban dirt route, thing the Quads for Kwads did the route???
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 04:16:22 pm
Plenty of routes to take, too much in fact. SA is amazing as soon as you think well this must be a tar section and you zoom in you will see dirt service roads all over the place.
I made the start point Musina and Cape Agulhas the end point. Three routes will be possible. One running East to West through the Northern Cape / Ricthersveld and down the West Coast. Second up and over Lesotho then south west and the third passing below Lesotho both heading west.

Bushveld
Magoebaskloof
Kaapsehoop MP
Paulpietersburg plantations
Passes of North East KZN
Eastern Freestate (when passing below Lesotho this can be the Midlands)
Dropping down to Hogsback
Coming back via Grootrivier and Baviaans
Karoo
Tankwa Karoo
Last bit down part of the West Coast

I would guess you would need about 2 weeks, no idea about mileage so far. Maybe 4000-5000km ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 08, 2020, 04:50:44 pm
I would think that it should be planned starting on either side of the country from the international airports then looping the country so that a person could start at either side but still complete the same route by the time you get back to your starting point.  This will make it more attractive to the international people .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: ButchH on April 08, 2020, 06:00:42 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:27:04 pm
I registered a domain and some hosting as it was not too expensive, heck it's a start. Working on some routes but it's taking ages. Most will have to be verified as one cannot always go on Google Earth to see gates etc. Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?

All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:29:08 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=241580.msg4430060#msg4430060
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:36:00 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 10:36:37 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Grunder on April 08, 2020, 10:54:19 pm
I registered a domain and some hosting as it was not too expensive, heck it's a start. Working on some routes but it's taking ages. Most will have to be verified as one cannot always go on Google Earth to see gates etc. Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?

All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
Well WD sharing is a good place to start. Then when people start moving on the roads you can get a feel of what the opinions are of the local farmers about the traffic. Then it can go bigger from there.

I would love the tracks for this. 3500km stretch is a bit much for me but the part from Bloem to Baufort west looks very attractive
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2020, 11:18:25 pm
I registered a domain and some hosting as it was not too expensive, heck it's a start. Working on some routes but it's taking ages. Most will have to be verified as one cannot always go on Google Earth to see gates etc. Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.
Then there is also the question do you really want to give everyone in the world the tracks ?
What if mister farmer is not happy about the increase in traffic can he blame the website ?

All will be service / public roads but it's sometimes an contentious issue. Main aim is to hopefully support some of the smaller rural towns if possible.
Well WD sharing is a good place to start. Then when people start moving on the roads you can get a feel of what the opinions are of the local farmers about the traffic. Then it can go bigger from there.

I would love the tracks for this. 3500km stretch is a bit much for me but the part from Bloem to Baufort west looks very attractive
It misses Bloem and goes further south through Winburg starting near Henneman. I have ridden this track and know it's good. No gates or dead ends.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=246593.0
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 09, 2020, 12:49:40 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike

thanks for input

Could be a difficult one -flipping a coin for free state or transkei but i imagine you could have both just ride the one or the other and somewhere in the front join on same route again

Any suggestions for the Natal Limpopo and the North west area which i really know least about
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on April 09, 2020, 01:13:51 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike

Could add some nice tracks between Lydenburg and Tzaneen area.... :peepwall:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2020, 01:26:00 pm
Red bits already more than 3500km of tracks, maybe 10% tar. No technical stuff included, can be done with any DS bike

Could add some nice tracks between Lydenburg and Tzaneen area.... :peepwall:
Yes please  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 09, 2020, 08:19:58 pm


Also I'm not very good at designing a website. So if anyone is willing to help let me know.
I can help you with the website. Just PM me with what you're thinking the website needs to do and we can take it from there.


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Brink on April 10, 2020, 10:46:16 pm
If it is going to be an international offering it will have to include places like;
Kruger Fences, Northern Natal Battlefields, Drakensberg, Sani Pass, Hole-in-the-Wall etc, etc, etc, etc.

Obviously will make it more difficult to plan and route.

Maybe make a 3-part edition which will require the people coming back.

My R20-to-the-US$ suggestion.
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Tommy Transalp on April 11, 2020, 06:05:33 am
Did Durban to Cape town with 200 km tar and 2800 km dirt

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Have you got any further details?
Draad and I are thinking of doing something like this on CRF230 s...
How long did you take, where did you overnight, etc.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Breekbeen on April 11, 2020, 06:18:58 am
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Splash on April 11, 2020, 07:28:10 am
My thoughts.

What I think is important is to include fuel and camping (bike friendly) options along the route. Part of the practicalities of riding.

Being in SA, some consideration might have to be given that a foreigner more than likely have to rent a bike and all the camping gear which becomes burdensome.

Would be interesting to see how many local adventure riders actually want to do the route and try to cater to getting their participation.

South Africa is big and expect different people in various regions to contribute a section of route which could then be connected together centrally. 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:05:28 am
If it is going to be an international offering it will have to include places like;
Kruger Fences, Northern Natal Battlefields, Drakensberg, Sani Pass, Hole-in-the-Wall etc, etc, etc, etc.

Obviously will make it more difficult to plan and route.

Maybe make a 3-part edition which will require the people coming back.

My R20-to-the-US$ suggestion.
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Looking at doing a route south of Lesotho as well
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:06:19 am
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.

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Yes I think together we have dogs in all areas to pre ride the route or make suggestions  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 11, 2020, 10:08:36 am
My thoughts.

What I think is important is to include fuel and camping (bike friendly) options along the route. Part of the practicalities of riding.

Being in SA, some consideration might have to be given that a foreigner more than likely have to rent a bike and all the camping gear which becomes burdensome.

Would be interesting to see how many local adventure riders actually want to do the route and try to cater to getting their participation.

South Africa is big and expect different people in various regions to contribute a section of route which could then be connected together centrally.
Agree places of interest and accommodation will be NB. Also will support the locals
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Sabre on April 11, 2020, 06:42:23 pm
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on April 12, 2020, 08:59:25 am
Hey Dogs , just a crazy Idea.............If there is 2 or 3 dogs with a month or so floating around and have some cash burning a hole in there pockets, why not use them as a test case.My idea is there are so many WD around SA and if they put a Scetchy rought together and get hosted by WD"s at there homes when they get to overnight stops [ cut down on costs] and that will give them time to check out routes and have first hand experiance,planing and actualy ride the ride,they can also give the do's and don't's.and have one hell of a ride.Just an idea each dog can maby donate R100 for it and we can fined 2 or 3 dudes. this might be a first and with the diversity of people on this group it could be turned into a WD buisness.Get some one like KTM Kobus to manage some thing like this and start a charrity and do WD SA branding and also pass benifits on to WD members who travel [Discount camping,accomadation , kit ect if it's maby booked through a wild dogs sight].............reading this again it kind of sounds like a bit of a dream.....just my 2 cents.

Stay safe guys
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 10:41:07 am
Logo completed, what do you think ? Kept it simple to print some stickers later :deal: Working on the Southern option now including Battlefields, lower Loteni etc. About 80% done then we send it out and get feedback if it will work. At least a base to start from.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on April 12, 2020, 11:43:43 am
Side track
I live Mooi and know the lower Loteni back wards and all the midlands trax all the way to Rhodes eastern cape. I've camped at almost all the camp sites from here to around Lesotu......if you need info. cheers
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 12:00:51 pm
Side track
I live Mooi and know the lower Loteni back wards and all the midlands trax all the way to Rhodes eastern cape. I've camped at almost all the camp sites from here to around Lesotu......if you need info. cheers
Great please pm me your email address ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BuRP on April 12, 2020, 01:26:42 pm
Hey Dogs , just a crazy Idea.............If there is 2 or 3 dogs with a month or so floating around and have some cash burning a hole in there pockets, why not use them .....just my 2 cents.

Stay safe guys

That's a few bob's worth Jim, Slim indeed!
I'm herewith self-appointed as test victim, would be good to put the 790 to work  :thumleft:
No need for any contributions from my side, the riding itself is reward enough!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: lukestrugnell on April 12, 2020, 02:44:23 pm
Happy to help as well maybe on mapping or whatever needs doing. This is a great idea and good for bike tourism.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 12, 2020, 04:10:01 pm
Logo completed, what do you think ? Kept it simple to print some stickers later :deal:

Thanks for all the work, Sidetrack. It's coming together nicely.

Here's my 2 cents. I think that a great TSAT logo needs the following:

1) A clear visual element that represents trans South Africa (could be an outline of Southern Africa with the route across it)
2) A clear visual element that represents an off-road motorcycle (the obvious would be a tire or spoked wheel)
3) The TSAT text

What if we put a call out for a dog who does graphic design? Anyone know a professional designer here?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 12, 2020, 04:57:49 pm
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:32:45 pm
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)

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Looks good
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 12, 2020, 05:33:24 pm
Looks good . Will just need a wild dog paw on it .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:37:20 pm
Looking for a welcome picture for the page, something that shows the scale and vastness of the trails available. Unfortunately most of my pictures have been edited and will be far to small. Needs to be original size so we can add the logo and text to it, display it full page etc. Was thinking a Gannaga pass, Lower Loteni, Baviaans etc. Something like the attached picture.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on April 12, 2020, 05:38:32 pm
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)

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Wow, looks great!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 12, 2020, 05:42:43 pm
Completed a south loop as well. So it looks like north of Lesotho for faster open terrain, south for more passes and plenty of greenery
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 12, 2020, 07:07:41 pm
In the future, it would be great if we could add a HARD ADV version of the route for those of us who like to be challenged, or those of us on lighter dual sport bikes (like the KTM 500). It might include sand tracks and rocky singletrack etc...

I'd be happy to take on this part of the project once the regular TSAT is done.

Also, I'm hearing the TSAT pronounced like Tsek! - as in voetsek!

Tsat!

We could wish people well as they start the TSAT by saying "Voetsat, my Bru!" (In a Cape Colored accent of course)...

And you could end it by saying, "Yuslaak,  ek is tsatvol van hierdie roete!"

Can you tell I've been in lockdown too long?

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: skydiver on April 13, 2020, 07:22:20 am
I got excited, so I mocked up the idea. I am no graphic designer, but the idea gets across.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200412/ba3ef45d9fff35150805c7ddfdf10829.jpg)

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Great looking logo.
Well done.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 10:11:40 am
Our latest logo
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 10:14:12 am
I have asked Karookid if we can use his picture for the home page and he agreed, things coming together slowly
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 11:06:21 am
Stunning pic and the logo is looking good .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: shark_za on April 13, 2020, 11:38:34 am
Very interesting, I'll assist where I can.

I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route.  Maybe in the T-Kei.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 11:55:09 am
Sorry just tuned in to this thread.
I think a good idea is to have dogs in specific areas bring up the best routes and then to stitch all of them together.

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Yes I think together we have dogs in all areas to pre ride the route or make suggestions  :thumleft:
Ek't 'n klompie tracks aangestuur per epos
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 12:07:51 pm
Looking for a welcome picture for the page, something that shows the scale and vastness of the trails available. Unfortunately most of my pictures have been edited and will be far to small. Needs to be original size so we can add the logo and text to it, display it full page etc. Was thinking a Gannaga pass, Lower Loteni, Baviaans etc. Something like the attached picture.

Will have a look through my pics

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zOxZJOkR-KCdvCQf9S0tbWWf2xMAeNg_pldr9iGMec3q8yP3V97PNGaCRhU64VJaRgP2eCDk4ExKfjhSBoikdfhaxCy0-bjSRWODMQYF8yfNAynTsqpoc928Bg9FSMUvbfExz_Oy_WCg41_hMV1mXR3g2lvZ-M7g2jK34pmsQV3Qkmp-y2i42jLJW2JNE9LuodxDuvP7RVw4mtBjUSWnZZPcPl7yr3NhkmR5NAwuQgmjr9RlH3rgK2HgEEpNPCRZSBDs3Yt2wJWPFaLYrr4I2gqvncos_dUWMPlT5zn7eh9TmIFXBmD6uXzjE0hSyReKalu27vEZbW4FeRGSvb7twf6AY7DuPUlBK10EGBW2ciV4GMO0g_vI0qun_-2578A4ewJOV464AKkXsdvkajzRkLeudFtzkMEkzt8VRDeEIBQety3Mjr8SIAUyZHQ_Q2Y2Q-_AS2zNZudv1md4RWP6-dzP1za7_7IEKalMvbZiuEk-wL3zWCF1oYugzy7IZ5DHg1254xBdD4FPqrfgBtYJief45lZkPUCPpwhOiwXbfiURkWRVtbW4nuMmDmg1L8I73VB--k_UDuQFBC4CMT0ijrulKEFe4hEZALZiQaxniqJyyKvKrprMFtCZL39N4W_zQhwT6u-u6QfSkTKBBEP7c8E3Ghhj_4GpRYiD17uEGTi2903g4DqOAcQWnnLVjly2BppthgcYp0ladwUkgFtp9pVsWPmc514_uY3I1M-8pYAYxjzzcw=w1688-h1266-no)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:13:41 pm
Looking for a welcome picture for the page, something that shows the scale and vastness of the trails available. Unfortunately most of my pictures have been edited and will be far to small. Needs to be original size so we can add the logo and text to it, display it full page etc. Was thinking a Gannaga pass, Lower Loteni, Baviaans etc. Something like the attached picture.

Will have a look through my pics

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/zOxZJOkR-KCdvCQf9S0tbWWf2xMAeNg_pldr9iGMec3q8yP3V97PNGaCRhU64VJaRgP2eCDk4ExKfjhSBoikdfhaxCy0-bjSRWODMQYF8yfNAynTsqpoc928Bg9FSMUvbfExz_Oy_WCg41_hMV1mXR3g2lvZ-M7g2jK34pmsQV3Qkmp-y2i42jLJW2JNE9LuodxDuvP7RVw4mtBjUSWnZZPcPl7yr3NhkmR5NAwuQgmjr9RlH3rgK2HgEEpNPCRZSBDs3Yt2wJWPFaLYrr4I2gqvncos_dUWMPlT5zn7eh9TmIFXBmD6uXzjE0hSyReKalu27vEZbW4FeRGSvb7twf6AY7DuPUlBK10EGBW2ciV4GMO0g_vI0qun_-2578A4ewJOV464AKkXsdvkajzRkLeudFtzkMEkzt8VRDeEIBQety3Mjr8SIAUyZHQ_Q2Y2Q-_AS2zNZudv1md4RWP6-dzP1za7_7IEKalMvbZiuEk-wL3zWCF1oYugzy7IZ5DHg1254xBdD4FPqrfgBtYJief45lZkPUCPpwhOiwXbfiURkWRVtbW4nuMmDmg1L8I73VB--k_UDuQFBC4CMT0ijrulKEFe4hEZALZiQaxniqJyyKvKrprMFtCZL39N4W_zQhwT6u-u6QfSkTKBBEP7c8E3Ghhj_4GpRYiD17uEGTi2903g4DqOAcQWnnLVjly2BppthgcYp0ladwUkgFtp9pVsWPmc514_uY3I1M-8pYAYxjzzcw=w1688-h1266-no)
Thanks their will be a gallery page to wet the appetite so please send !
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 13, 2020, 12:16:54 pm
Flippen well done so far guys!!! Bucket list for sure :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Onetime on April 13, 2020, 12:22:23 pm
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 12:23:45 pm
This is coming along nicely, great initiative @sidetrack.  I could help with the following:

1. Some routes from Colesberg - Middelburg - Nieu-Bethesda - Graaff-Reinet - Richmond - Murraysburg - Aberdeen if you like?

2. I'd be happy to list our farm guesthouse on an accommodation page if needed.

3. Riding pix from the abovementioned areas and others.

4. Possibly be listed as a geographical region/area point of assistance for international visitors depending upon requirements.

Shout if I can assist.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 12:25:26 pm
Did I miss the webpage address somewhere?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MillionMiles on April 13, 2020, 12:28:19 pm
1. May be we can adopt a road class system borrowed from Namibia. This can be used by volunteer scouts:
C-road >90 km/h graded gravel
D -road <90 km/h "Two-spoor"
E -road <30 km/h "technical"

2. I volunteer to scout the NW. For example, Marico to Bray.


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 12:28:43 pm
I think by the time side track is done , his compilation  will be able to outperform most offroad sites in South Africa which is fantastic if it allows wild dog members to get it at a discounted price .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:42:45 pm
Did I miss the webpage address somewhere?
Hi I have not published it yet as I have to teach myself how to make a webpage  :-[ But am getting some help from Bruce here on the forum. Trying to not make it too complicated. It will be at www.tsat.co.za eventually
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 13, 2020, 12:47:06 pm
I think by the time side track is done , his compilation  will be able to outperform most offroad sites in South Africa which is fantastic if it allows wild dog members to get it at a discounted price .
I was actually thinking of making the tracks available for free like the European TET one (with a donation option). There is off course cost for the hosting services.The most amount of work will be to make sure the track is accurate and up to date but with all of us here assisting it should be doable. Adding good accommodation options, fuel and places of interest along the route.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: GravelFox on April 13, 2020, 12:57:17 pm
I have asked Karookid if we can use his picture for the home page and he agreed, things coming together slowly
Nice picture and logo


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on April 13, 2020, 01:50:17 pm
Great initiative, love it.
Also have a 2 bed guest cottage available in Steytlerville if needed.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 13, 2020, 01:59:25 pm
Very interesting, I'll assist where I can.

I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route.  Maybe in the T-Kei.
I agree. The Transkei is essential riding - one of the best places for any ADV tourist to visit. Miles and miles of dirt roads and Enduro tracks... Homelands... The Wildcoast... Colorful people... Backpackers...

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Hennie on April 13, 2020, 02:39:20 pm
I think by the time side track is done , his compilation  will be able to outperform most offroad sites in South Africa which is fantastic if it allows wild dog members to get it at a discounted price .
I was actually thinking of making the tracks available for free like the European TET one (with a donation option). There is off course cost for the hosting services.The most amount of work will be to make sure the track is accurate and up to date but with all of us here assisting it should be doable. Adding good accommodation options, fuel and places of interest along the route.

I will definitely pay to access such a route or GPS files.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 04:12:35 pm
The routes must absolutely be free. They are, afterall, on public roads mostly.  If a route crosses private land, it will be for the landowner to decide if he wishes to charge, in which case there should be an alternative, free, route.  Of course all other services should be user pays (accommodation, guiding, roadside assistance, catering, medical. equipment and bike rental etc).
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 13, 2020, 06:00:20 pm
Nobody works for free
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 13, 2020, 07:13:24 pm
Am I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Overland Bruce on April 13, 2020, 07:50:10 pm
Am I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.
The TAT, TET and TSAT are just gpx routes that someone compiled, named and put online.

There are several different TAT routes by different people. One of the TAT compilers charges a small fee for the gpx file.

The TET route gpx file is free, and they ask for voluntary donations to support hosting.

Jacques is wanting to use the same idea as the TET for the TSAT - a donation model.

Hosting and domain registration are around R200/month these days, so it's not expensive to run the website.

It's the time required to compile, check maintain and support the route that costs time.

The routes use public roads and riding the routes is always free.

The voluntary donation is only for supporting the monthly expenses that the route-creator incurs.



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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Noneking on April 13, 2020, 08:43:18 pm
I have asked Karookid if we can use his picture for the home page and he agreed, things coming together slowly

Stunning pic!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: lukestrugnell on April 13, 2020, 09:13:37 pm
Am I misunderstanding this project then? I’m sorry, I am not familiar with how the TAT and other trails work.
The TAT, TET and TSAT are just gpx routes that someone compiled, named and put online.

There are several different TAT routes by different people. One of the TAT compilers charges a small fee for the gpx file.

The TET route gpx file is free, and they ask for voluntary donations to support hosting.

Jacques is wanting to use the same idea as the TET for the TSAT - a donation model.

Hosting and domain registration are around R200/month these days, so it's not expensive to run the website.

It's the time required to compile, check maintain and support the route that costs time.

The routes use public roads and riding the routes is always free.

The voluntary donation is only for supporting the monthly expenses that the route-creator incurs.



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If it were me I would make it free and then sell advertising on the website to accommodation along route, bike rental guys, etc. Cover expenses that way

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Mr D on April 13, 2020, 10:26:21 pm
Not sure how easy it will work logistically but instead of having a page with ads why not have some tshirts made, buy a tshirt and get access to the routes?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 14, 2020, 04:18:46 am
I will give some alternative a bit later.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BuRP on April 14, 2020, 07:37:45 am
I love this whole idea - and the logo/sticker  :thumleft:
Financing the website's upkeep should be easy enough, indeed good suggestions all over!
Putting it together is the crux of course, and I'm glad to see that some are doing it: thank you Squires!!
About time something like this is done, would be awesome to look at offroad 'connections' between locations within SA.
I for one will be using it, and see this awesome piece of land we live in in more and more remote detail!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Hennie on April 14, 2020, 09:10:39 am
The routes must absolutely be free. They are, afterall, on public roads mostly.  If a route crosses private land, it will be for the landowner to decide if he wishes to charge, in which case there should be an alternative, free, route.  Of course all other services should be user pays (accommodation, guiding, roadside assistance, catering, medical. equipment and bike rental etc).

Hi Dorsland, I was referring to my willingness to pay for the effort the guys put in to create such a route, not the cost of travelling on these routes.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 10:12:00 am
Update route V1.0 almost complete, Need a link to join Gannaga and north of Lydenburg towards Musina.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Serfie on April 14, 2020, 11:31:02 am
sub  :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: FIXER on April 14, 2020, 06:11:08 pm
Julle is met iets pragtigs besig. Baie dankie vir almal wat so lekker saam werk hieraan.  Ek het naby Lydenburg groot geword en later daar geboer, maar dit is meer as twintig jaar terug wat ek daar rondgery het. Ek het iemand gekontak wat nog daar woon en gereeld op die soort paaie ry waarna jy soek. Hy sal kan help en sal julle kontak.

Weereens baie geluk en groot dankie.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:01:53 pm
Help a Vaalie out, need to get from Wellington to Caledon. The track comes down from the Cederberg (Towards CPT) and needs to join Towards Agulhas 2. Getting into plenty of farmlands and small towns now so some dirt may end up at a gate or dead end. Looking at dirt roads to link the towns but if not possible scenic tar back road will be great as well.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:21:07 pm
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Boersoeknbike on April 14, 2020, 07:23:32 pm
Fixer put me on your post. I’ll help where i can and add to nonekings trails. I’ll pm you my email. Great idea!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 07:24:44 pm
Fixer put me on your post. I’ll help where i can and add to nonekings trails. I’ll pm you my email. Great idea!
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: FIXER on April 14, 2020, 08:31:52 pm
Ok, now maybe I can help. I now live near Wellington and one can easily do 8 very nice passes in one round trip, but on tar. Gravel only for very short stints and the beauty in this region is very much the scenery, which one tends to enjoy more on a tar section. That is what I would suggest.

I will send you an email.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2020, 09:24:08 pm
Thanks replied to PM's
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Minxy on April 15, 2020, 10:10:30 am
This sounds like a nice initiative :)

Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).

Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)

Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:

From their website:

"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 15, 2020, 11:22:15 am

This sounds like a nice initiative :)

Just a quick question, I am not very familiar with the TAT route, but I know the Trans Euro is quite a tough route in places (with detour available if you are not up for the challenge).
The TAT is for all sizes of bikes and my thoughts for this is for all sizes of bikes and a medium experience level, not some of those tight TET single tracks although ive seen the 1200 guys also climb in

Just how technical do you want this to be? Do you want the route to be "beginner on a 1200GS" kinda friendly :P or do you want to include some actual fun stuff? ;)
If you can do Baviaans that will be sufficient- can i call that medium :)

Just for reference if we are talking a route similar to the TET this applies:

From their website:

"The Trans Euro Trail® is aimed at small and medium capacity trail bikes – bikes such as Yamaha’s WR250R and XT600 and XT660Z Tenere, CCM’s GP450, KTM’s 690 and Suzuki’s DRZ400. Larger bikes can tackle it but riders need to be more experienced and competent. Soft luggage, travelling light is the ethos – leave those panniers and armchairs at home. This is overlanding in its purest form."
Very good thought to set this up as well for but i imagine making it smaller like a one week ride from CT to Baviaans and back or  a long weekend to Cederberg and across to klein karoo and  back to CT .Now we need permission from WD farmers or their cousins to set up- give it some thought. We can also ask Warren Ellwood and his team for thoughts- he is a late bloomer now in his 50's :) starting to ride plastics only- plenty of experience.

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 15, 2020, 11:38:30 am
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Jobe on April 15, 2020, 12:59:50 pm
When this thread started (Long ago), me and some friends decided it might be fun, I started a MAP of an idea, turns out very similar to what you guys made.
Maybe this help.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1i0dyB1KgM0UPP_CkislED2fS7Pem8plA&usp=sharing

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on April 15, 2020, 01:12:15 pm
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.

I like your thinking. Perhaps establish a dirt touring route as a core, then more adventurous loops/extensions/add-ons for those who need a bit of adrenaline fix?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 15, 2020, 01:44:29 pm
I see there are 2 threads covering this subject, should we not merge them?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 15, 2020, 09:52:09 pm
The most difficult part on the TSAT will most likely be Orrie Baragwanath pass / Baviaans so not difficult. I think a route with longer open section will be more accessible to most riders and visitors. There are plenty of more technical riding available but as someone mentioned one can maybe make this a separate route, my only concern their is some tracks may be semi private / tribal land based and arrangement with land owners will need to be made. It will be a lot more difficult to plot and keep updated whereas the TSAT stays on S and R roads mostly but always with the idea that is should be dirt as far as possible. Way to explore SA but on the back roads.

I like your thinking. Perhaps establish a dirt touring route as a core, then more adventurous loops/extensions/add-ons for those who need a bit of adrenaline fix?

Thats my thoughts exactly :thumleft: thanks guys
Getting nice feedback for the Natal midlands area as well from  a few guys and will post on here soon. Its the big three Mpumalanga, Limpopo and North west thats tjoepstil. Any one we can approach please pm me
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Crosstourer on April 16, 2020, 11:35:37 am
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......

I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?

Kalahari Ben Originally did the Planning for Parys - De-Aar, 
But I have not spoken to him in many years,

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Ventana on April 16, 2020, 02:54:15 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: m0lt3n on April 19, 2020, 11:53:18 am
I love the idea of this!

I think if you decide on where the start and end will be then it will be easier to finalize something. Also maybe decide on how many days to ride it all. That will determine how technical it can be.

Looking at the examples they start on the one side of the country and end at the other side. Will this be the plan or rather a circle route. To criss cross it will be great to include putsonderwater and those fast gravel roads around kenhard/calvinia and such. The longest gravel road in south Africa the R355 will be a nice box to tick for a ride. But then you exclude the old postal route or cederberg which is arguably nicer riding.

I do believe it should be all doable and back home within 9days. That is one week's leave. And should be hard riding. IOW add time to include half day rides or rest days.

Starting point? Personally I wouldn't include limpopo or North west, but then that changes if you want to add all the provinces. Some nice riding around thabazimbi and groot Marico but I believe Northern cape's namakwa 4x4 trail is better as is the ride to Van zylsrus where you go through a park and will see a lot of animals, for free. No other area offers that in South Africa I believe. But I am biased

Then the same issue will be baviaans vs the Ben 10 passes. Will be difficult to do both, or touch on both and not make it to much of a zig zagging business.


Some compromises will be necessary, and I think some lesser known jewels will be essential to make it a popular trail. Because the average adv rider would have already done some of the more well known routes/passes and not be super motivated to do a 10 day trip if he has already done 70% of the trails previously.

Maybe cut from north to south, that can include baviaans, and Ben 10 stuff, maybe rather Sani, get some nice inputs from losper and go through Lesotho touch nelspruit area to end at Gauteng, but then that's almost to cliche with the exception of Lesotho?


Some verbal diarrhea from me
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 19, 2020, 01:59:15 pm
Hi

Please check out the beta site that is up, a lot of work ahead !

http://www.tsat.co.za
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mike gs on April 19, 2020, 03:01:05 pm
Boet, excellent job so far. Great advert for SA.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Sabre on April 19, 2020, 03:03:22 pm
Hi

Please check out the beta site that is up, a lot of work ahead !

http://www.tsat.co.za
Looks very good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Welsh on April 19, 2020, 06:17:36 pm
There was a section called Pays-De-Aar Rally ( :biggrin:) that was once a ride type thing, all off-road iirc - I will try find the tracks......

I have looked at this a few times, I dont see it being too much of an issue, but the main thing would be to decide what you wanted to see on the way, eg: Tankwa or The mountains of the Southern Cape.....?

Kalahari Ben Originally did the Planning for Parys - De-Aar, 
But I have not spoken to him in many years,

Weird, Kalahari Ben was on the forum today, after many years.  :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 19, 2020, 07:15:06 pm
Thanks Martin and all the other guys with pm's and some Legends who have promised input. Its falling into place and western cape and Natal is getting sorted and  Eastern cape and Northern cape getting going as well- its just those very quiet Mpumalanga, Limpopo and North West guys that are holding out.

Route so far
Its pretty much a given from CT through Klein karoo to Baviaans(will colour in the bits) then Baviaans over Hogsback to Rhodes.
Herewith is a few different thoughts-1/run the gauntlet through Transkei to the Underberg and do the Sani then into natal midlands 2/ left at Rhodes and cross border through Lesotho coming out at Sani into Natal midlands or 3/ around Lesotho through Eastern Free State through Wepener,Ladybrand and Ficksburg- either go to Sani or just go into Midlands. Below is Andy G version of a Natal midland visit- does it not look devine.
I’m assuming that you will enter KZN from Sani Pass at the top. Ride down the pass to Himeville.
I’ll list the following waypoints they come up on Google Maps
Left in Himeville to Lower Loteni Rd. Proceed to Nottingham Rd/Right into the Village. Turn right towards Michaelhouse School.
At Michaelhouse left onto Curry’s Post Rd/Left at Tumbledown Lodge (Karkloof Valley) You can stop at Karkloof Club. They are very accommodating. Down to Albert Falls Dam and then head for New Hanover and through to KwaDukuza(Stanger)
Kwadakuza on R102 and left to Tugela Rail. Will take you over an old single lane bridge over the Tugela River Nice photo stop. Past the Sappi Mill through Mandini
2km out of Mandini there is a signpost to Inyoni on your left. Take this up to Cranburn Primary/Nyathini Macambini/Nyoni/Amatikulu
Left onto P425 which will take you through to Lake Eteza. From there you can push up towards Hluhluwe to the Baobab Lodge. Plan a night there as you not too far from the Swazi Border and can be there early. Its about 420km so easily doable in the day or break it up into 2 days for a nice leisurely ride. Lots of places to stop for something to drink or eat.
It’s a mix of tar and easy gravel so suitable for all. No freeway involved at all.

There is a few others in the pipeline from Draad and Tommy transalp :deal:
Then into Mpumalanga which must have of the most beautiful scenery-(is it easy crossing border through Swaziland-RSA passports and also foreign)- i havent been to Swaziland since 2001 but recall easy scenic ride- any thoughts or same as lesotho with either through or around
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 19, 2020, 09:05:35 pm
If there are any Limpopo wilddogs that can assist with pre running the Musina section towards Louis Trichardt after lockdown please let me know. The section is around 220km in length. The actual GPS track will be nice as well as impressions of the route itself : condition of route, easy to navigate, enjoyable, would you ride it again or rather look for an alternative ? Otherwise I can make a plan to do it later myself as well (but almost 500km to get there from my home). Actually thinking of starting further west (Ellisras etc) and including more bushveld as Musina does not have the best reputation being so close to Zim but have not been there ever I think. Lots of homelands in the area so not easy to just plot on GE. please let me know, section attached below. 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Splash on April 19, 2020, 10:22:35 pm
You might get some ideas from the Facebook page of TET.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Transeurotrail.org/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Transeurotrail.org/)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: skydiver on April 20, 2020, 07:48:36 am
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very nice
Well done to all that are involved in this initiative   :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 20, 2020, 05:26:03 pm
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very nice
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative   :thumleft:
Wow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2020, 07:36:13 pm
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very nice
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative   :thumleft:
Wow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: m0lt3n on April 20, 2020, 08:26:50 pm
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very nice
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative   :thumleft:
Wow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !

That looks great sidetrack. How long have you been busy with it? I love that logo, would really like to do the route.
How long do you estimate would be needed to complete it all?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2020, 10:22:33 pm
I visited the website www.tsat.co.za and it looks very nice
Well done to all that is involved in this initiative   :thumleft:
Wow, never knew about this, nice looking site but no map yet. Sent a mail to enquire if we can share info, see there is a wdog link as well.
XT Joe I created the site and am still busy with the route. I went point to point to point for now (Musina to Cape Town) with two options, north and south of Lesotho. I have not ridden it all but some of it so need to make sure all is accessible before posting a V1.0 route. Also adding fuel stops and accommodation, all takes a lot of time !

That looks great sidetrack. How long have you been busy with it? I love that logo, would really like to do the route.
How long do you estimate would be needed to complete it all?
Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 22, 2020, 07:50:37 pm

[/quote]Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.
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Depending on the terrain and roads 450km or even more per day would be fine - depending on time available to do the route or just inclination. Each rider could probably decide for himself, but would then have to use different overnight spots
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: m0lt3n on April 22, 2020, 09:53:46 pm

Going to split the sections into max 350 - 400km per day, just by those sums you will need 2 weeks to complete it all. Might even end up being longer.
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agreed, it shouldnt be set like that.
450km can be done by 11am on a good day or take forever on the same good gravel with 2 flats, lost topbox and bad playlist
Depending on the terrain and roads 450km or even more per day would be fine - depending on time available to do the route or just inclination. Each rider could probably decide for himself, but would then have to use different overnight spots
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 22, 2020, 11:34:02 pm
 I was thinking sections if only to allow break down of the route and give info on each portion of it (tar/dirt split, difficulty, condition poi’s etc). Someone may only decide to ride certain parts of it. The idea is to have as many accomodation and poi’s as possible along the way
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on April 23, 2020, 12:28:01 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.

Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km   (green line)
Rhodes accomodation:  Rubicon guest house:     edh@cnx.co.za          www.rubiconflats.co.za        083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation:  Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067     info@resthaven.co.za   

Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville  315km  (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)

I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2020, 12:33:35 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.

This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.

It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2020, 02:28:59 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.

Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km   (green line)
Rhodes accomodation:  Rubicon guest house:     edh@cnx.co.za          www.rubiconflats.co.za        083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation:  Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067     info@resthaven.co.za   

Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville  315km  (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)

I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Thanks Losper
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 03:24:52 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.

This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.

It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.

Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 03:30:26 pm

Very good thought to set this up as well for but i imagine making it smaller like a one week ride from CT to Baviaans and back or  a long weekend to Cederberg and across to klein karoo and  back to CT .Now we need permission from WD farmers or their cousins to set up- give it some thought. We can also ask Warren Ellwood and his team for thoughts- he is a late bloomer now in his 50's :) starting to ride plastics only- plenty of experience.
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 :thumleft: I've got 2 really good 4 day routes from CT planned, which I will put on the 4-5 Day trip from CT thread
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2020, 04:46:53 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.

Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km   (green line)
Rhodes accomodation:  Rubicon guest house:     edh@cnx.co.za          www.rubiconflats.co.za        083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation:  Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067     info@resthaven.co.za   

Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville  315km  (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)

I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)
Losper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2020, 04:48:12 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.

This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.

It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.

Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys

With our economy in mind, these :breakout routes" could be laid out to benefit private individuals, like a farmer who can levy a small fee for using his land?

Or has this been brought up?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 23, 2020, 09:30:14 pm
I feel that a route like this must absolutely have technical "deviations' that joins up again with the main route, all along the route.

This enables the more adventurous to tailor a route to his liking and duration.

It also serves to show more riders more of our stunning country.

Sounds good, similar to the breakout routes on the international KTM rallys

With our economy in mind, these :breakout routes" could be laid out to benefit private individuals, like a farmer who can levy a small fee for using his land?

Or has this been brought up?

I like that idea
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on April 23, 2020, 10:55:37 pm
Losper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?
All open roads with no permission needed.
The section between Tiffendell and Tenahead (TT traverse) is a 2 spoor with 2 or 3 gates. I have read on social media that some say this section is technical but I have taken novices on big bikes thru with no problem at all. It is one of the highlights on the trip and a must do in my eyes, at 2650m above sea level and extremely scenic.
The traverse is 20km long and used by the police to "patrol" the border fence.

When I take riders on my guided trips I change the tracks and include stuff like "Telly Tubby land" with its technical sections but for this application the tracks are perfect. 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:40:53 am
Hi all, please have a look at the FAQ page. What would your questions be about a tackling a route like this ?

http://tsat.co.za/faq.html
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:49:20 am
Losper how would you rate day 1 in terms of difficulty ? I have added it to the route. Some of mine went the same way but had routes going further south at first. Any gates or permission needed for this section ?
All open roads with no permission needed.
The section between Tiffendell and Tenahead (TT traverse) is a 2 spoor with 2 or 3 gates. I have read on social media that some say this section is technical but I have taken novices on big bikes thru with no problem at all. It is one of the highlights on the trip and a must do in my eyes, at 2650m above sea level and extremely scenic.
The traverse is 20km long and used by the police to "patrol" the border fence.

When I take riders on my guided trips I change the tracks and include stuff like "Telly Tubby land" with its technical sections but for this application the tracks are perfect.
Thanks
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 24, 2020, 04:06:34 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file. 

There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
 
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 04:34:57 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file. 

There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
 
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.
Thanks Vis Arend ! Baviaans is definetly part of the route.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:23:34 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file. 

There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
 
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.

Thanks Louis- as my requests are normally vague im working on it :thumleft:-  Baviaans is a given and Rhodes on the other end and im pretty fond of Hogsback- not to be pushy ;) but like your route to Jansenville on the R400 you used on in your Feb RR -can you draw on that memory connecting Patensie and Rhodes  more or less- dankie man. Hats off to Nani with what looks like a seriously loaded 250R-sure i saw a k/sink there as well
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 24, 2020, 08:48:03 pm
My input for a route from Op die Berg to Rhodes through the Eastern Cape is attached as a GDB file. 

There is two routes, one above the Baviaans and coast marked in pirple, the alternative that will take you through Baviaans and some coastal roads is marked in yellow.
 
Trust me, both routes will be well worth it, is very scenic and is pillion friendly.

Thanks Louis- as my requests are normally vague im working on it :thumleft:-  Baviaans is a given and Rhodes on the other end and im pretty fond of Hogsback- not to be pushy ;) but like your route to Jansenville on the R400 you used on in your Feb RR -can you draw on that memory connecting Patensie and Rhodes  more or less- dankie man. Hats off to Nani with what looks like a seriously loaded 250R-sure i saw a k/sink there as well

Pleasure my friend, I will do some other alternatives.  There are plenty and all the routes are great. 
Once you draw Jansenville and the R400 into the mix you will have to take a detour back to include Baviaans which seems to be a given, unless you are willing to do a side enntry.   :eek7: 

There are however great alternative routes from Patensie to Rhodes.  I will plot them. 

And yes, the K/sink will always be packed.   :biggrin:  I am really impressed with Nannie, she learned a lot in a short space of time and she enjoy riding her own scoot. 

 

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:53:39 pm
Here is my suggestion from Rhodes to Matatiele and then thru Lesotho, down Sani pass to Natal.

Day 1
Rhodes to Matatiele 309km   (green line)
Rhodes accomodation:  Rubicon guest house:     edh@cnx.co.za          www.rubiconflats.co.za        083 659 3271
Matatiele accomodation:  Resthaven guesthouse 039 737 4067     info@resthaven.co.za   

Day 2
Matatiele via Lesotho to Himeville  315km  (red line) (it will take the whole day)
Stay at Sani Top chalets or Himeville (depending on the time you get there)

I have attached the gpx files for download (it also includes the fuel points in Lesotho)

Thanks Pieter- i saw you mention its for all skill/ bike levels- places looking good- this is ideally how i would like to offer the route- each suggested overnight town area we can mention one or two places
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 24, 2020, 08:58:39 pm
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And yes, the K/sink will always be packed.   :biggrin:  I am really impressed with Nannie, she learned a lot in a short space of time and she enjoy riding her own scoot. 

 
 :thumleft: :thumleft:- must agree on her skills seeing the back wheel in the air and that going down in water in Baviaans- the lady can handle the stuff!!
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 24, 2020, 11:21:11 pm
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 05:50:06 am
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.

Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs?  If so why do you need to come from Cathcart?  If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes?  Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance. 

Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route.   :deal:   :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 25, 2020, 07:03:35 am
Can't wait till I have time to be able to do the trans karoo down to the cape and the tsat back to the north as that should be about a 8000km round trip  . It will be 3 weeks of joy . Thanks for all the hard work .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mike gs on April 25, 2020, 08:17:57 am
I think you've covered the FAQ's well. Also the pics you've used are awesome
 Well done.



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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on April 25, 2020, 10:02:31 am
Hey Sidetrack,wow that's awsome,the main pic sums up SA riding to a tee.{ one question were is that taken?] I have to go there..... well done keep it up.
I'm doing a bush to burg ride when this lockdown comes to an end and taking 3 days through the midlands [ fishing , riding and camping ......yelow fish,rainbow's,gravel roads and trax and some tinnies in the mountains around a fire] , I will send you pics and do a RR when that happens and show whats in my back yard.once again well done  :sip:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 25, 2020, 10:06:57 am
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.

Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs?  If so why do you need to come from Cathcart?  If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes?  Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance. 

Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route.   :deal:   :thumleft:

No experience on Katberg- you decide and we will call it the Visarend section of the route :thumleft: keep in mind medium ability and all bike sizes- like Woody and Gerhards abilty  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 10:28:34 am
Thanks all. @KarooKid took the picture near Tankwa river if I remember correctly. Also big thanks to @Overland Bruce for all the tips to improve the website. I will be making some changes soon. Trying a bit of html coding to create a "hamburger" menu. Getting there slowly.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 10:36:12 am
Agree Joe Hogsback is a must but starting with Katberg Pass, I could not find a dirt road between Katberg onto Cathcart and then joining Vis Arends track yet.

Do you want to do Katberg and Hogs?  If so why do you need to come from Cathcart?  If I understand you guys correct you want to include the following, Baviaans, Hogsback, Katberg down to Rhodes?  Just as a side note, Katberg can be much worse than Baviaans, albeit a lot shorter distance. 

Give me a list of what you want included on the route in the EC and I will plot the route.   :deal:   :thumleft:

No experience on Katberg- you decide and we will call it the Visarend section of the route :thumleft: keep in mind medium ability and all bike sizes- like Woody and Gerhards abilty  :thumleft:
Agree. I was thinking Rhodes - Ludeans Nek Pass - Katberg Pass - Hogsback then back onto your route Visarend towards Baviaans (I used the rear entry). Initially had a route running over Burgersdorp - Molteno and Queenstown from Lundeans side then going across to Cradock and Graaf Reinet (see screenshot). But yours running further south looks more scenic ? More Eastern Cape shrub type landscape vs Karoo
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 04:23:23 pm
OK menere, here is the route. 

In summary Rhodes, Lundeansnek (then you have to do the little detour to Dangershoek), the to Lady Grey, over Joubert pas and then Ottos du Plessis pass, all the way mostly gravel over the Kei river, Bolo then through the forest to Hogs, down Mitchells Pass, over Katberg back down to Addo and the Baviaans and and and ..........

Michells Pass and Katberg can be rough at times.  Mitchells was until recently fixed and was easy going, but in the mean time deteriorated badly.  I do not know how it is at this stage.
Katberg is a horror.  Very very few will do it with a pillion, some will not even do it one up. 

I plotted an alternative around these two, marked in green.  The rest of the route in blue.   

Enjoy and let know if you want more or if you guys want this route refined.  As is it is a very good and scenic route and plenty is packed in this route. 

 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 25, 2020, 08:02:34 pm
OK menere, here is the route. 

In summary Rhodes, Lundeansnek (then you have to do the little detour to Dangershoek), the to Lady Grey, over Joubert pas and then Ottos du Plessis pass, all the way mostly gravel over the Kei river, Bolo then through the forest to Hogs, down Mitchells Pass, over Katberg back down to Addo and the Baviaans and and and ..........

Michells Pass and Katberg can be rough at times.  Mitchells was until recently fixed and was easy going, but in the mean time deteriorated badly.  I do not know how it is at this stage.
Katberg is a horror.  Very very few will do it with a pillion, some will not even do it one up. 

I plotted an alternative around these two, marked in green.  The rest of the route in blue.   

Enjoy and let know if you want more or if you guys want this route refined.  As is it is a very good and scenic route and plenty is packed in this route. 

 
Thanks Vis Arend, the Hogsback national forest bit before Hogsback is open to ride coming from R352 ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 25, 2020, 08:11:12 pm

 
Thanks Vis Arend, the Hogsback national forest bit before Hogsback is open to ride coming from R352 ?
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Yip, no problem there.   :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bloggs on April 26, 2020, 10:16:36 am
For a trans SA trail (TSAT) there are so many routes to ride and so many places to see. And there are also limited funds and usually limited time. In order for a Trans South Africa Trail experience to be popular and successful it will also need mass appeal as well as flexibility. It will need to cater for local and overseas riders, and of all abilities. I have some suggestions to build on the great work already done for TSAT, but with a slightly different approach. I need to give a bit of detail to explain. Please note that this TSAT input is “in addition to” and not “instead of”.

Trans SA is a long trip and it is a bucket list event. It needs to include bucket list riding and well as bucket list off-the-bike experiences. The route is king, but it is important not to downplay the time off the bike which includes relaxing with drinks and mates while being sociable and reliving the day’s ride; eating good food; ablutions; a comfortable place to sleep; and so on. It also needs to include options such as exploring the surroundings and seeing the attractions, even though there may be limited time. And it includes the need for preparation for the rides ahead. You actually spend as much time doing these elements as you do physically riding.

This is where small towns come in. Many derive significant income from tourism, but most are struggling, and they need support. Most provide a range of accommodation from camping to lodging, different affordability options, as well as options be situated in and out of town. They supply provisions, and most offer other attractions and activities. These small towns therefore cater for the for the total off-the-bike experience necessary for mass appeal.

Unfortunately, the position of the towns/destinations are fixed. Routes, however, can vary. So the point is, for the best overall experience, choose the destinations first and then plan the route to fit. This concept would be known those of you who have done the Wild Coast Meander, where a number of great but remote hotels have linked themselves with hiking routes between them. I was also fortunate to have done the JoBerg2C MTB ride (its actually not really a race), which is 900km over 9 days of MTB trails and gravel roads linked to specific towns and destinations. The concept is similar. In fact, their website would have quite a few parallels, and sets the standard for the ultimate TSAT website (https://www.joberg2c.co.za/). Impressively, JoBerg2C had about 230 overseas participants in the field of 800 odd for last year’s ride. They came for the trails,  the route, the open spaces, and the big sky. But when you talked to them, they were most impressed by the hospitality and the off-the-bike experience. It’s a great success story.

Remarkably, there are special and quaint small towns which appear on most the top-20 bucket lists of small SA towns to visit; which are also more or less evenly spaced apart across SA; and which are linked with great adventure riding routes covering a good day’s riding. The suggested list of these towns is as follows, north to south, excluding the start and end points:
•   Hoedspruit - https://www.hoedspruit.co.za/
•   Dullstroom - https://dullstroom.co.za/
•   Wakkerstroom - http://www.wakkerstroom.co.za/ (via Chrissiesmeer)
•   Clarens - https://clarens.co.za/ (via the Drakensberg passes)
•   Rhodes - https://rhodesinfo.co.za/ (via Lundeans Neck)
•   Hogsback - https://www.hogsback.com/
•   Jeffreys Bay - https://www.jeffreysbaytourism.org/ including surrounding area and Patensie (via Katberg and Zuurberg passes)
•   Knysna - http://www.visitknysna.co.za/ (via Baviaanspoort, Prince Albert pass and Kom se pad)
•   Prince Albert - https://www.karoo-information.co.za/routes/town/176/prince-albert (via the Seven Passes road, Montague Pass, Meiringspoort)
•   Swellendam - https://www.visitswellendam.co.za/ (via Swartberg Pass, Calitzdorp, Rooiberg and Gysmanshoek passes)
•   Greyton - http://www.greytontourism.com/ for short route to Cape Town (via Malgas, Cape Agulhas)
•   Montague -  https://www.montagu.org.za/ for the longer route to Tulbach and Cederberg (also via Malgas, Cape Agulhas)
•   Tulbach (alternatively Ceres) - https://www.tulbaghtourism.co.za/ (via Touws River, Ceres)
•   Paternoster -https://www.west-coast-info.co.za/region/town/256 (via Cederberg, Elands Bay)
These towns have a hospitality/tourist focus and they are on just about everyone’s list to visit. For those people who have already visited them, they are probably willing to return. All the towns have things to do and, in fact, a person could quite easily stay 2 nights or more. The extra day could include, for example, a game experience from Hoedspruit, trout fishing in Dullstroom, and so on.

Some notes:
•   The gravel routes between these towns would mostly be in the 300km to 400km range per day.
•   The routes between the towns need to be as remote as possible, and avoid cities and urban areas (tar & traffic) as well as rural areas (chickens, children, litter).
•   Clarens to Rhodes is a bit long so Ladybrand probably needs to be added which allows a route deviation into Lesotho. There are various options but mostly tar.
•   Winterton can be a base for a Battlefields detour; and Himeville/Underberg for a Sani Pass detour - which could then go to Ladybrand or left around the bottom of Lesotho straight to Rhodes.
•   Baviaanspoort can present problems with river crossings for example, in which case Steytlerville (https://www.baviaans.co.za/page/steytlerville_info) could replace Jeffreys Bay for a detour north of Baviaans.
•   A ride to Gamkaskloof (Die Hel) from the Swartberg Pass can be included as an extra day, or by staying the night there in place of Prince Albert.
•   The towns in the Cape are sandwiched close together to allow a zigzag down to Agulhas and up to the Cedarberg and West Coast. Obviously this can be shortened and some of these can be cut out.
•   The total route is therefore 12 to 15 days. There are also other options which could be added. These detours essentially link back into the main route at some point.
•   There are some really good loops which can be done from some of the towns, meaning a stop of 2 nights.
•   For Gauteng, or people flying in from overseas, there is the option of the back roads via Cullinan to Dullstroom and then to pick up the route from there - which essentially is a Joburg to Cape Town route.

Unfortunately, linking small towns means that there will be some tar which has to be traversed. It cannot be avoided. But 80% or more of gravel is still a good adventure ride, and appreciably more than say 8% European countries would be lucky to get. Further, should the likes of Long Tom Pass, Clarens/Fouriesburg, and Meiringspoort, be excluded because they are tar? Probably not. Certainly not for an overseas rider or someone who has not been there before.
To take this a little further, and to increase the mass appeal, each day between towns can have at least 3 route options:
•   Recommended gravel route
•   Recommended tar route – for the roadies; for the sick, lame and lazy; and also for those struggling with the gravel, or wanting to avoid the more tricky sections
•   “The most gravel” option avoiding as much tar as possible and probably a bit longer

For those wanting just tar, they could do 2 days in one and halve the route time. Another option is that groups can split each day and meet up at each destination.

The selected towns should want to buy into this concept – there is not much downside for them and lots of potential upside. If there is any apathy, then people from accommodation options in those towns will buy in. Ultimately the towns and/or the popular accommodation should end up driving the concept and the website when it is up and running. What is needed in each town is at least 1 “champion” who can advise on routes, and who can point people in the right direction for medical or mechanical issues etc. This shouldn’t be difficult to set up, especially if there is a potential benefit for them. These people living in the towns would also have knowledge of the routes and feed any updates back into the system.

So this is the basis of a “Small Towns” route, which should cater for a variety of riders, and gives an alternative option for those wanting both on and off the bike experiences. It is also likely to be a preferred option for overseas riders.

Please feel free to move this post.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Dorsland on April 26, 2020, 11:24:11 am
Very good suggestion @Bloggs, and not detracting in the least from the TSAT. You make good points in terms of tourism being the lifeblood of many small towns. I would like to add guest farms to that as many farmers also rely heavily on tourism to boost revenues. They can also offer a unique experience and input for especially foreign tourists.

I would also like to see a possible alternative route around the north western and/or central part of the country that typically is neglected to a large extent. Towns that could be included (some not that small) are Vanzylsrus, Kuruman, Upington, Keimoes, Pofadder, Pella, Carnarvon, Vanrhynsdorp, Ceres etc. Maybe an interlinking route between your suggestion and my proposed route could be included.

Just a few things to think about.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2020, 12:04:58 pm
Good points Bloggs. The route I have for now :

Musina - getting bad press and lots of illegals transversing the border so I'm afraid it might not make the best first impression to start a trip but it is still the most logical choice and I have never been so not sure. Once out of the town the riding looks good.

Past Louis Trichardt towards Orrie Baragwanath Pass, fantastic remote riding with great scenery

Limpopo itself has many homelands and here will be some short tar sections to link up

Haenertsburg will be the next town, stunning small town tucked away in the mountains with good amenities and accommodation

Lydenburg / Hazyview - two options currently. South or north loop plotted currently. North will have more dirt and will be slightly longer

From Hazyview the track will join the Kruger fence, this should be quite the adventure

After Kruger you will end up near Barberton. Another scenic town and fantastic riding on the Swaziland border

From here you drop down via Badplaas on a pass with great views towards Chrissiesmeer. Chrissiesmeer has some very nice eateries and accommodation (Billiard Room and John Jack, even a gin distillery what more do you need !)   

Next up Wakkerstroom, fantastic riding in the mountains. Very scenic

Now we are getting into the Battlefields, Dundee / Utrecht etc. with a detour to visit Batle of Isandwala and Bloed River

Next up is the well known Bezuidenhouts Pass. Here you can decide to take the northern or southern route. North goes around Lesotho via the FS. Now I have ridden this part and despite most thinking the FS is flat I had a great time on these dirt roads. Really nice relaxed riding with no one around. It leads past Winburg with it's beautiful church and lots of history. Smithfield will take you around Lesotho to rejoin near the southern loop near Aliwal North. The southern loop should be more popular as it follows lower Loteni and sticks close to the Drakensberg with great scenery all round whilst passing through Himeville and Matatiele

Next up we head to Rhodes riding most of the "Ben 10" passes

From here heading south on some great tracks Vis Arend plotted eventually heading to Hogsback and Mitchells and Katberg Pass with alternatives if it's too rough.

I added Adelaide - Cradock and Graaf Reinet just to add a total contrat to the forests of Hogsback. The valley of desolation at Graaf Reinet is a must see.

Next via Steytlerville we head towards Baviaans from the north stopping at Patensie for fuel and something to eat

Through Baviaans and De Rust we head up back into the Karoo via Beaufort West.

This will head onto the Dwyka River then onto Sutherland and Gannaga Pass

From Gannaga we head south via Cederberge towards Ceres - Wellington - Paarl.

Franschoek Pass is included

More dirt roads eventually ending at Cape Agulhas

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Many other routes still left. Kalahari is fantastic and so many Karoo towns further north. Wildcoast and the garden route also not part of the above, one feels like it cannot be left out ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2020, 12:09:15 pm
I think all three TSAT threads needs to be combined !
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 26, 2020, 12:09:56 pm
Tentative ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: skydiver on April 26, 2020, 01:31:16 pm
I think all three TSAT threads needs to be combined !
I agree.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on April 26, 2020, 03:38:54 pm
dude you missing the good stuff.........I will fill it in tomorrow
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Onetime on April 26, 2020, 05:52:19 pm
I think all three TSAT threads needs to be combined !
I agree.
Agreed
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 12:06:53 pm
Please follow the Instagram page, idea is to post photos of the route and small towns you will see on the trip

https://www.instagram.com/tsattrail/
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MillionMiles on April 27, 2020, 01:35:47 pm
Please follow the Instagram page, idea is to post photos of the route and small towns you will see on the trip

https://www.instagram.com/tsattrail/
How do we post pictures there?

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bloggs on April 27, 2020, 01:57:05 pm
Also of possible interest for the route is “Riding the Dragon’s Spine” (https://bikepacking.com/routes/bikepacking-south-africa-the-dragons-spine/) which is a trans MTB trail of SA.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bloggs on April 27, 2020, 02:04:48 pm
Thanks for the feedback and detail. The TSAT route and description is looking good. I agree it is probably best to have one main route to start with. Its relatively easy to add deviations and other options.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 03:15:13 pm
Please follow the Instagram page, idea is to post photos of the route and small towns you will see on the trip

https://www.instagram.com/tsattrail/
How do we post pictures there?

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Hi I don't think that is possible, only tagging the page in your own posts
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 07:59:06 pm
Vis Arend from Rhodes via Lundeans (Lundins) to Hogsback is over 600km, is there any place in between you can recommend to camp or stay over ? The area seems pretty sparse in between ? I reckon 600km plus for one day with those passes will mean riding into the night which is not a good idea.

I have so far :

Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ?
Hogsback - Somerset East (296km)
Somerset East - Steytlerville (399km)
Seytlerville - Baviaans (185km)
Baviaans - De Rust (227km)
De Rust - Beaufort West (257km)
Beaufort West - Sutherland (293km)
Sutherland - Wellington (473km)
Wellington - Cape Agulhas (250km)


Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on April 27, 2020, 08:21:51 pm
Vis Arend from Rhodes via Lundeans (Lundins) to Hogsback is over 600km, is there any place in between you can recommend to camp or stay over ? The area seems pretty sparse in between ? I reckon 600km plus for one day with those passes will mean riding into the night which is not a good idea.

I have so far :

Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ? - Hogsback

For sure, you will not do that route in one day.  The best will be to do a small detour and cabin in Elliot, the next day to Hogs, but from Elliot I will stay over in King William's Town or Stutterheim before going to Hogs.  That will give you more time to explore Hogs, waterfalls and the like, and/or do a route or two there.       
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 27, 2020, 08:29:22 pm
Vis Arend from Rhodes via Lundeans (Lundins) to Hogsback is over 600km, is there any place in between you can recommend to camp or stay over ? The area seems pretty sparse in between ? I reckon 600km plus for one day with those passes will mean riding into the night which is not a good idea.

I have so far :

Musina - Haenertsburg (430km)
Haenertsburg - Hazyview (472km)
Hazyview - Chrissiesmeer (356km)
Chrissiesmeer - Wakkerstroom (140km)
Wakkerstroom - Van Reenen (399km)
Van Reenen - Himeville (252km)
Himeville - Rhodes (439km)
Rhodes - ? - Hogsback

For sure, you will not do that route in one day.  The best will be to do a small detour and cabin in Elliot, the next day to Hogs, but from Elliot I will stay over in King William's Town or Stutterheim before going to Hogs.  That will give you more time to explore Hogs, waterfalls and the like, and/or do a route or two there.     
Great, yes maybe a rest day In Hogsback is also a good idea
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: OomD on April 28, 2020, 09:19:41 am
You guys seem to be putting together one awesome route here, I'll be keeping an eye on this for oneday when I may ride again.

Thanks for all the effort, guys! :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 01:37:34 pm
Very interesting, I'll assist where I can.

I would also think you need to visit the coast sometime in the route.  Maybe in the T-Kei.
@shark_za where would you suggest on the Transkei Coast ? What about Port St Johns ? Can maybe do that stretch before heading towards Hogsback
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 01:41:07 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: OomD on April 28, 2020, 02:14:27 pm
Wait wait... how many TSAT threads are there now? Can they not be merged?

And thanks for all the route suggestions, gents! :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 28, 2020, 02:35:07 pm
Thanks guys, busy with trucks and permit letters coming out my ears-
CT to  Baviaans we must include  Sewepasse George to Knysna and before that choose between Ouberg rd/sewe weeks and or the Augulas/Pont roads- Sutherland we have to weigh up against Cederberg or Tankwa padstal on the return to CT

Thanks again for the effort- will make a plaque with all the names on :thumleft:- just waiting for those laid back Natal and Northern province boytjies

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 02:58:46 pm
Wait wait... how many TSAT threads are there now? Can they not be merged?

And thanks for all the route suggestions, gents! :thumleft:
It's like Covid 19 threads
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Grunder on April 28, 2020, 04:00:13 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.

now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip  :biggrin:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 28, 2020, 04:03:32 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.

now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip  :biggrin:
I would say 2 weeks if you ride hard. Three weeks for going nowhere slowly  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 28, 2020, 04:21:44 pm
Big thanks to Noneking for route at Kruger down to Barberton, Losper and Slim Jim for routes around Lesotho and KZN, Vis Arend for the EC, Fixer for recommending some scenic passes in the WC.

now we need a real time ride to see how much leave is needed for the trip  :biggrin:

1 week if you go now, with the Covid police trying to stop you
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on April 28, 2020, 07:50:30 pm
XT JOE,  yes I agree, Sewe passe must be included.

Have a look at my map, I have made the following suggestions:
On page 1 in this thread the map runs thru the Namaqua Coast National park all along the west coast. Although it is a great track I personally think that specific section is too sandy for this application. Find attached my suggestion, the yellow line.

Have a look at the blue line, I have included "Quteniqua pass" with "Sewe passe" and "Kom se pad" all the way thru Baviaans via Angie's.

The green line and red line I have already discussed earlier in this thread.
Find attached the GPX files for download: 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 12:07:21 pm
I think this is a really great idea, but need to point out that any foreigners arriving to do this would land in JHB or CT. CT is easy to pick up the track North. Jhb not so.
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on April 29, 2020, 12:11:00 pm
I think this is a really great idea, but need to point out that any foreigners arriving to do this would land in JHB or CT. CT is easy to pick up the track North. Jhb not so.
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
Good point Steve. It would open the area west of the N1 for a route. And that's also a beautiful area, with lots of game farms. For overseas folks, seeing all the game next to the roads would be thrill I reckon.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on April 29, 2020, 01:13:07 pm
Messina is 500km from Oliver Tambo International.  That's one day out of a international visitors holiday .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 01:15:41 pm
I don't think anyone wants to tab it on the slab to get there, just add another bit of adventure.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: intothewild on April 29, 2020, 01:30:26 pm
route difficulty and remoteness classification.

I would say one should have different levels of routes classification
For example
the main route can be RED loop
but there can be sections coming of it for the more adventurous in green or blue.
single track or very technical jeep track or sandy section the average joe won't necessary wanna do

 :pot:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: VaalBaas on April 29, 2020, 01:56:11 pm
Still a few posts to read, but would like you to include our area routes. Will cut out a tar stint

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: steveindar on April 29, 2020, 02:03:08 pm
I think this is a really great idea, but need to point out that any foreigners arriving to do this would land in JHB or CT. CT is easy to pick up the track North. Jhb not so.
So if someone wants to start from Jhb and do the whole route are there any seperate sections that can be included between Jhb and Messina to the jump-off point so there is no duplication of routes?
Good point Steve. It would open the area west of the N1 for a route. And that's also a beautiful area, with lots of game farms. For overseas folks, seeing all the game next to the roads would be thrill I reckon.

Probably also find that a majority would just start from Jhb downwards.
What about looking at loops? West of Jhb upto Messina and East back down and so on around the major cities.
Sorry if I'm over-complicating this. :)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on April 29, 2020, 02:07:25 pm
route difficulty and remoteness classification.
I would say one should have different levels of routes classification
For example
the main route can be RED loop
but there can be sections coming of it for the more adventurous in green or blue.
single track or very technical jeep track or sandy section the average joe won't necessary wanna do
 :pot:
That is a very good idea!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 29, 2020, 02:12:16 pm
XT JOE,  yes I agree, Sewe passe must be included.

Have a look at the blue line, I have included "Quteniqua pass" with "Sewe passe" and "Kom se pad" all the way thru Baviaans via Angie's.


Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravel
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on April 29, 2020, 02:19:30 pm
Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravel
Yes sorry, my mistake, I meant Montague pass.
Download the gpx file above, Montague is included there.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: MildlyWild on April 29, 2020, 02:45:44 pm
Maybe rather Montague Pass instead of Outeniqua Pass? Right next to each other but Montague is beautiful gravel
Yes sorry, my mistake, I meant Montague pass.
Download the gpx file above, Montague is included there.

Cool.  Is there also gpx for the routes from De Rust onwards to check?  I might be able to help with suggestions from there all the way to Agulhas via Sutherland
Is there a specific number of days you guys would like to use from De Rust to the end?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 29, 2020, 07:56:18 pm
I made jump out routes from Gauteng where you can head east towards Lydenburg and join the track coming down south of Lesotho or north west and do the northern section that goes through the Kalahari then down the west coast. The northern route is quite remote but will also be stunning.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 11:50:28 am
North VS South  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: steveindar on April 30, 2020, 12:58:32 pm
Thanks to all for your input's, here's hoping something concrete grows out of this. I visit SA once or twice a year and always try and get some riding done. This is great and can be split into bite size chunks of a few days at a time.

Thanks.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Grunder on April 30, 2020, 02:32:57 pm
North VS South  :ricky:

wow  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BuRP on April 30, 2020, 04:48:13 pm
North VS South

Great!
Gooi sommer al roetes in, 'nog' is beter!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BuRP on April 30, 2020, 04:49:25 pm
Multiplechoice het mos so sy voordele ....  ;)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 05:25:47 pm
Gaan n moerse nice roete wees, Instagram groei elke dag. Die ouens soek avontuur  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2020, 05:27:35 pm
North VS South

Great!
Gooi sommer al roetes in, 'nog' is beter!  :thumleft:
Ja kan sommer n sirkel roete maak dan join jy enige plek. Wil net Limpopo bevestig, dit is die moeilikste provinsie om te plot ! Ek het n roete maar wil dit graag eers ry.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: intothewild on April 30, 2020, 06:13:19 pm
kyk na die ou se maos as jy weskaap doen

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?fbclid=IwAR1Kz9NlbcLli5kCbSlAGDoiifhx26_f-P5wjax-Cz4kTBDAMnzjoVTzSFo&mid=18TrQMauGbMs-cCpSYaOKV6RAxDQqJ5n7&ll=-32.83539025252396%2C19.191757541833567&z=8

i suggest you contact him - he is a WD member

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on April 30, 2020, 11:23:46 pm
Working on loan pc at home so no maps to be viewed- and as i prefer to see the roads connecting the towns my initial thoughts as below.  Alternative routes to be added and maybe points of interest, and then accommodation possibilities maybe.  It s up to the individual as to how far they wish to travel so we can just lay it out and mention  difficult allow for more time in relevant sections. Km based on Google maps which which we have found not 100% so hold the whip. Below is two options- without  faffing to much which do you think is ideal- or alternative just stick to map co ords

Starting in Cape Town head out on N2
1/R44 or scenic R43 to Hermanus Stanford Gansbay ,Elim Augulas- (fromCT 225km )
Augulas to Bredasdorp right Malgas, crossing the pont to Vermaaklikheid and then Stillbay (from CT 435km)

or
2/Head north out of Stillbay on R305 for 16km turn right on Hectorskraal dirt rd 20 km later T junction N2 turn right and left into Albertinia take road north to Herbertsdale, at about 20 km follow sign turning right to Herbertsdale, 6 km out of town on the dirt road forks take right and 15 km later at t junction left and another 20km t junction with R328 tar road- take left to Oudshoorn

From Oudshoorn head south east towards George on N12 and where the roads join the N9 take a left towards Uniondale and after 9 km take a right on the historic Montague pass dirt road- travel 17 scenic km join N12 again into George. Staying on N12 through George take the Sewe Passe road to your left- for 75 km travel this scenic dirt road through little villages of Karatara ,Rheenedal finishing outside Knysna. Take N2 left to Knysna and on the eastern side of town take a left on the R339 Prins Alfreds pass. T junction with R62 right and immediate left staying on the R339

Any thoughts- will fill in the next bit onwards to Lesotho in next section :clock: :computer:

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on May 01, 2020, 08:01:04 am
Hey Side Track, Morning from a first of May frost in the Midlands.[Like clock work every year]
I'm going to work down fron the Freestate around the lower side of Lesotu.
From Harrismith [Golden Gate ] go Sterkfontain [you can go to Kal Foet vrou,Slangspruit and come out in Winterton.[nice places to stay are Royal national park, Amphitherters back packers and tons of B'Bs.follow the old road and explore the berg to your hearts content [catherdral peak,the nest,champain sports,there are so my to talk about there]. follow on through Loskop and head towards White Mountain and head for the Kamberg.The view and the ride is amaizing .You can detour through the midland [Rosetta,Nottingham Road ] head for Loteni.A nice camp area is the Lower Loteni camp [R80 pp in the mountains] From there carry on to Sanni pass and head to Himeville,Underberg and there are awsome camps there...[ Silver streams,St Burnards peak and if you 2 up an awsome B"B in Swartberg.[find the local bottle store and its just behind it.R250 if I remember correct] from there its dirt to Mattatela and to mount fletcher,from there you can take the Naudeers neck and explore [ the 10 10 is there] stay at walk abouts and from there you can go any were for a few days.[Tiffindale,war trail,the TTT, lundeens neck, upper and lower Tenner] Its simply amaizing adventure riding.
From there you go Brackley east and join up with your map.
Just a rough route, it will take around 4 days or up to a week depending on how much you want to explore.......
Happy Days
Cheers
Jim
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 12:41:30 pm
Hey Side Track, Morning from a first of May frost in the Midlands.[Like clock work every year]
I'm going to work down fron the Freestate around the lower side of Lesotu.
From Harrismith [Golden Gate ] go Sterkfontain [you can go to Kal Foet vrou,Slangspruit and come out in Winterton.[nice places to stay are Royal national park, Amphitherters back packers and tons of B'Bs.follow the old road and explore the berg to your hearts content [catherdral peak,the nest,champain sports,there are so my to talk about there]. follow on through Loskop and head towards White Mountain and head for the Kamberg.The view and the ride is amaizing .You can detour through the midland [Rosetta,Nottingham Road ] head for Loteni.A nice camp area is the Lower Loteni camp [R80 pp in the mountains] From there carry on to Sanni pass and head to Himeville,Underberg and there are awsome camps there...[ Silver streams,St Burnards peak and if you 2 up an awsome B"B in Swartberg.[find the local bottle store and its just behind it.R250 if I remember correct] from there its dirt to Mattatela and to mount fletcher,from there you can take the Naudeers neck and explore [ the 10 10 is there] stay at walk abouts and from there you can go any were for a few days.[Tiffindale,war trail,the TTT, lundeens neck, upper and lower Tenner] Its simply amaizing adventure riding.
From there you go Brackley east and join up with your map.
Just a rough route, it will take around 4 days or up to a week depending on how much you want to explore.......
Happy Days
Cheers
Jim
What I have is coming down from Wakkerstroom through the mountains towards Utrecht you can do the Bloed River / Isandwala route then onto Van Reenen with a loop coming down Bezuidenhout Pass towards Spieonkop through Bergville, then onto Himeville and Underberg. From there lower loteni and all the passes.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Slim Jim on May 01, 2020, 03:10:19 pm
Thats a nice trip
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 01, 2020, 03:50:05 pm
As Cyril nou daai deure oopmaak, ry ek sommer die TET en die TAT, heeltemal plat.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on May 01, 2020, 04:26:40 pm
Just a concern here.............
I have done many of the tracks mentioned in this thread and some of them are not easy achievable with big adventure bike if you not a VERY good rider.
The idea of the TAT is a route possible by 80% and the "extra" difficult options marked in red. How is this gonna work? Not the same as the TAT?
If you target is the overseas market they will 90% rent a bike and be big trouble.
OR do i misunderstand the purpose of this initiative ?
Cheers
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Antonie on May 01, 2020, 05:17:14 pm
This is awesome! Thanks @sidetrack and all who has contributed.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bloggs on May 01, 2020, 05:22:31 pm
If you are looking for a route north from Joburg, and which has a purpose, then an option is to follow the Crocodile River from its inception in Krugersdorp to where it joins the Limpopo, and then to follow the Limpopo. A rough route is attached.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 06:32:56 pm
If you are looking for a route north from Joburg, and which has a purpose, then an option is to follow the Crocodile River from its inception in Krugersdorp to where it joins the Limpopo, and then to follow the Limpopo. A rough route is attached.
That looks like a great option as well
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2020, 06:41:05 pm
Just a concern here.............
I have done many of the tracks mentioned in this thread and some of them are not easy achievable with big adventure bike if you not a VERY good rider.
The idea of the TAT is a route possible by 80% and the "extra" difficult options marked in red. How is this gonna work? Not the same as the TAT?
If you target is the overseas market they will 90% rent a bike and be big trouble.
OR do i misunderstand the purpose of this initiative ?
Cheers
I would say 90% of the route will be extremely easy going if you have ridden dirt before. Factors like rain can make things very tricky but not much one can do about that. Can mark difficult sections in red, Bezuidenhouts Pass and Mitchells I see is pretty rough. As for the rest I dont know, Baviaans for instance unless there has been a lot of rain I don’t find very difficult at all ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 01, 2020, 09:32:50 pm
As Cyril nou daai deure oopmaak, ry ek sommer die TET en die TAT, heeltemal plat.

Stem Daan- ek het darem so 6 trips werk toe gehad in laaste 2 weke-N2 is n droom en bike ry was lank laas so lekker :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on May 01, 2020, 09:36:13 pm
Agree 100%.
Tx for the hard work 👌
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 01, 2020, 10:02:11 pm
Working on loan pc at home so no maps to be viewed- and as i prefer to see the roads connecting the towns my initial thoughts as below.  Alternative routes to be added and maybe points of interest, and then accommodation possibilities maybe.  It s up to the individual as to how far they wish to travel so we can just lay it out and mention  difficult allow for more time in relevant sections. Km based on Google maps which which we have found not 100% so hold the whip. Below is two options- without  faffing to much which do you think is ideal- or alternative just stick to map co ords

Starting in Cape Town head out on N2
1/R44 or scenic R43 to Hermanus Stanford Gansbay ,Elim Augulas- (fromCT 225km )
Augulas to Bredasdorp right Malgas, crossing the pont to Vermaaklikheid and then Stillbay (from CT 435km)

or
2/Head north out of Stillbay on R305 for 16km turn right on Hectorskraal dirt rd 20 km later T junction N2 turn right and left into Albertinia take road north to Herbertsdale, at about 20 km follow sign turning right to Herbertsdale, 6 km out of town on the dirt road forks take right and 15 km later at t junction left and another 20km t junction with R328 tar road- take left to Oudshoorn

From Oudshoorn head south east towards George on N12 and where the roads join the N9 take a left towards Uniondale and after 9 km take a right on the historic Montague pass dirt road- travel 17 scenic km join N12 again into George. Staying on N12 through George take the Sewe Passe road to your left- for 75 km travel this scenic dirt road through little villages of Karatara ,Rheenedal finishing outside Knysna. Take N2 left to Knysna and on the eastern side of town take a left on the R339 Prins Alfreds pass. T junction with R62 right and immediate left staying on the R339

Any thoughts- will fill in the next bit onwards to Lesotho in next section :clock: :computer:

Driving North on R339 12 km to Uniondale top up fuel and 27km north on N9 you get the Baviaanskloof R332-
drive 200km of the finest dualsport roads in the country to Patensie-
Over Hankey 40 km on R331 to N2 turn left and after 10 km left off on R102 to Uitenage
Travelling north on R334 to Uitenage and out north east on R75 to Addo Elephant park 77km away
At Addo take the R342 right to Paterson 25 km-
Update again...
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on May 02, 2020, 12:01:27 am
XT Joe,  have a look at this track.

The section between Barrydale and Seweweekspoort refers.
I am no "expert" of this area but I have ridden this track many years ago and can specifically remember it to be very scenic, it also included a number of great passes namely:
Moodies, Doringkraal , Seekoeigat, Wadrift, Gysmanskloof, Rooiberg, Huisrevierpass (part of the scenic Route 62) and Seweweekpoort pass.

The other advantage of this track is that it includes Swartberg pass (a must do as everybody knows ) and then further south it joins up with Montague pass.
Find attached the gpx file for download:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 02, 2020, 08:13:48 am
Yes, Pieter, that is a very good suggestion for a route through that area. It could also be mentioned that at the end of Seweweekspoort, one can turn right into the Bosluiskloof, to the Gamkaspoortdam.

This is a one-way though, and the rider will have to come back out to Seweweekspoort, befor etaking the Vleilandroad to the Ladismith-Laingsburg road again. Very scenic, that Bosluiskloof, and one can meet

eccentric old Fox Liederboer, the self-appointed kamp-kommandant of Gamkaskloofdam. :biggrin:

The road that runs parallel to the N1 from the Laingsburg road to the Prins Albert road/Prince Albert has a gate or two in it. :eek7: :biggrin:  Near the end of this road, it is also easy to take a wrong turning at

a fork and end up on the N1 instead of the Prins Albert access road. At the fork one has to go left.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Vis Arend on May 02, 2020, 08:48:24 am
Yes, Pieter, that is a very good suggestion for a route through that area. It could also be mentioned that at the end of Seweweekspoort, one can turn right into the Bosluiskloof, to the Gamkaspoortdam.

This is a one-way though, and the rider will have to come back out to Seweweekspoort, befor etaking the Vleilandroad to the Ladismith-Laingsburg road again. Very scenic, that Bosluiskloof, and one can meet eccentric old Fox Liederboer, the self-appointed kamp-kommandant of Gamkaskloofdam. :biggrin:

The road that runs parallel to the N1 from the Laingsburg road to the Prins Albert road/Prince Albert has a gate or two in it. :eek7: :biggrin:  Near the end of this road, it is also easy to take a wrong turning at

a fork and end up on the N1 instead of the Prins Albert access road. At the fork one has to go left.

This is almost a must if you are in that area.   :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Bloggs on May 02, 2020, 02:55:02 pm
Both skiing and MTB follow the same colour coding for difficulty and there is logic to do the same and use the same colours. Green (beginners), blue (intermediate), red (advanced intermediate) and black (expert). See attachments.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 07, 2020, 10:06:22 am
XT Joe,  have a look at this track.

The section between Barrydale and Seweweekspoort refers.
I am no "expert" of this area but I have ridden this track many years ago and can specifically remember it to be very scenic, it also included a number of great passes namely:
Moodies, Doringkraal , Seekoeigat, Wadrift, Gysmanskloof, Rooiberg, Huisrevierpass (part of the scenic Route 62) and Seweweekpoort pass.

The other advantage of this track is that it includes Swartberg pass (a must do as everybody knows ) and then further south it joins up with Montague pass.
Find attached the gpx file for download:
Agree-  will change and modify
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 04:34:45 pm
Not sure how many has seen where  the original long distance adv motorcycle travel started   
quite a eccentric clown this Austen Vince, really enjoyed their interesting V.I.N.C.E  ride  in Catalunya Spain

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 04:55:39 pm
Any way back to our ride and thanks for all the guys planning and working on this- will have nice update over this weekend :lamer:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on May 08, 2020, 08:04:16 pm
XT Joe,  there you go, this is my suggestion.

The section between Patensie and Rhodes was supplied by Vis Arend.
The section north of Ermelo was supplied by Noneking.

I have divided it up into 8 parts simply because a single gpx file would be too big to upload.
Find below the gpx files 1 to 4 for download: (tracks 5 to 8 will be in the next post)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Losper on May 08, 2020, 08:07:10 pm
Tracks 5 to 8 for download:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 08, 2020, 09:22:40 pm
Thanks Pieter for stitching this together so far and all the other guys for sharing. Got to put some km in the natal midlands still and then our cousins in north west, please add some detail.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 09, 2020, 09:34:55 am
Thoughts on Limpopo/northwest to N/cape section
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 09, 2020, 08:20:29 pm
Thoughts on Limpopo/northwest to N/cape section
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
Orrie is tough since you cant get access travelling from the north as far as I know. XT Joe we should combine forces, I have a semi decent webpage and everything  :deal:

tsat.co.za

Have some tracks for LP but still have to pre ride them after Covid
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 11, 2020, 08:51:08 am
Tracks 5 to 8 for download:
My suggestion to replace track 8, the pass running from Badplaas is a very nice ride and you cut out some tar taking it. I would also not go over Ermelo and rather stay on dirt towards Chrissiesmeer ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 12, 2020, 04:13:33 pm
Got a few guys who promised detail on the down leg from Zeerust and the like to Askam and also the next bit to Cederberg where we could maybe add in the Richtersveld, always been on the bucket list, getting a bit worried if two will be enough ;) We will get there and thanks for input here.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 13, 2020, 07:17:52 am
Thoughts on Limpopo/northwest to N/cape section
Turning left Ofcolaco over the Orrie Baragwanath pass to Zebediela and over Vaalwater to Thabazimbi, accommodation suggestions
Thabazimbi to Dwaalboom to Sesobe and Zeerust
Zeerust to Ottoshoop to Slurry, Mahikeng, Disoneng to Tosca/Vergelee/Bray any accommodation
Bray to Vanzylsrus,Askham and Molopo lodge
Molopo lodge, Augrabies, Riemvasmaak, maybe Onseepkrans and onto Pella
Pella, Pofadder, Kliprand, Niewoudtville, Wupperthal to Oasis in Cederberg
From Oasis on route joins with Lospers again.
Pleases add suggestions advice on this.
Orrie is tough since you cant get access travelling from the north as far as I know. XT Joe we should combine forces, I have a semi decent webpage and everything  :deal:

tsat.co.za

Have some tracks for LP but still have to pre ride them after Covid
Its always been the plan Jacques, its not my route but ours and ours meaning everbody who assisted in someway or another. As we go along we can change as require. Nice site you got which you created, just surprised you did not put in on here until it was found by chance. Anyway going forward i'm waiting for details on the limpopo and down west loop scratching through jeepclubs to facebook sites and then we can put the puzzle together after a few dry runs.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 13, 2020, 10:01:25 pm
and just found out that Jacques sidetrack started this thread longway back in general banter, eish . Sometimes ...
Can we combine this into one thread please moderator
Thks
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 14, 2020, 06:45:15 pm
I merged the topics on XT JOE's request. Should I leave it under General or movie it to planning a ride?

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Sabre on May 14, 2020, 08:18:27 pm
I merged the topics on XT JOE's request. Should I leave it under General or movie it to planning a ride?
I think it will get more exposure under General
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Mayhem on May 14, 2020, 09:25:09 pm
Did Durban to Cape town with 200 km tar and 2800 km dirt

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Have you got any further details?
Draad and I are thinking of doing something like this on CRF230 s...
How long did you take, where did you overnight, etc.
We left Kloof and rode all dirt to Matatiele (day one) then to Rhodes via Ongeluksnek and Telle bridge (day two) spent an extra day in Rhodes because it was so awesome. It was winter and lots of snow and very cold. Then down to Hogsback (day three). From there to Baviaans via Steytlerville (day four). Then over Swartberg to Prince Albert (day five). Across to Tankwa (probably the longest single stretch of tar) to Oasis (day six). Last day across to Westcoast down to Cape Town. We were on HP2, 990, 660 and 650 XR. Mostly easy riding except Lesotho section and a bit of Eastern Cape. B&B all the way.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on May 15, 2020, 02:48:34 pm
Just some general suggestions by good man Chris Wilkinson from PTA whos happy to share. Sean trolling routes on FB adventure bike sites-jislaaik.  I have attached some of the route clips and think we have a round trip covered with plenty options.
1.   I recommend starting at Groot Brak police station –  Eight bells, Herbertsdale, Cloetes pass, Van wyklsdorp, Rooibergpass, Calitzdorp, Groen vlei road pass Nelsdam , kruisrivier, swartberg pass, Prins albert. Stay at railway calitzdorp(nice pub) or Prins albert. This is my most scenic road in the country. Check in at photographer in Kruisrivier  -rodger young.
2.   Then come back over pass and go via Kango Caves, agricultural roads pass De Rust (iow  south of Swartberg mountain range) to Willowmore, baviaans, patensie, Hankey.
3.   This part I don’t know so well. You can go to East Londen either along coast or inland and then go via Transkei dirt roads to Kokstad. From Kokstad I there is a lovely dirt road wrapping the Lesotho border all the way up to Winterton and Bergville amazing scenery and no cars. You can shoot in to Nottingham roadl in midlands nice breweries.
4.   I will then aim for Normandien pass – must do -  (steep but doable on 1200 – steeper sections cemented ), to Meumel, and Wakkerstroom, all dirt roads. Wakkerstroom the place to stay but Meumel hotel also very nce
5.   Wakker stroom to Dullstroom maybe over Machado dorp. Dull stroom very scenic.
6.   At Dullstroom area you HAVE to stay with Joe Holmes (Bush boys – 0825791861) just outside Tonteldoos – these is not a larger adventure bike personality on the planet! Or Peter in Tonteldoos, they are buddies. They will assist with routes in area.
7.   If you want to do lowveld, contact Mark Taylor he knows that area well. But Joe will also know.
8.   Limpopo I do not know that well – Rankins pass near Thabazimbie a must – stay at Thaba Nkwe 5KM ouside Thabazimbie. Nice pub and restaurant. 0829262693
9.   If you can find your way to Zeerust and Mafeking -  I know there is a route that runs along the Botswana border that starts near a natural spring outside Mafekeng, and goes all the way to Vanzyls Rus – I have done part of it, it is in the Molopo river. It is not too sandy. I did part of it on a KDX 200, a friend did it on a Dakar 650 recently. The route was in a recent Go Magazine about 6 months ago.
10.   Aim for Upington  (you may want to pass through my home town Upington to stock up/ do bike repairs as it is last chance before Springbok really – my old home town)
11.   From Upington   - don’t take tar to Keimoes too busy trucks etc. Dirt road via Louisvale, Kanon Eiland (go over beautiful bridge – just to see river but stick to dirt road) – Neilers drift, Neus, Kakamas (still dirt).
12.   Kakamans – Augrabies, Blouputz, over bridge over Orange river, to Riemvasmaak. Sleep there- chalets and hot water springs / a beautiful canyon-  Vredesvallei road also one of most scenic  routes ever. On my GPX there is a loop through mountains but it is technical although amazing. Take faster dirt back to Kakamas or same vredesvallei road to Blouputz and dirt to Pofadder – tar to pella.
13.   From Augrabies there is a dirt road to town of pella  - visit roman catholic catherdral.
14.   Sleep at Klein Pella Guest farm  - best place -  great camping/ chalets and pool. go down to river to look at date plantations. One of biggest farms in SA.
15.   From there you can join the Namaqua eco route of which I have done only a portion. From Klein Pella farm you take a dirt road west and turn off down to river at Witbank sign.
16.   This road will lead to a road all on the banks of the Orange river all the way to Goodhouse – goes further but from there I don’t know it – do research as there may be sand bit amazing 4x4 route  -did it more than 10 years ago.
17.   Then you can go all the way up to sendelings drift via the Eksteen, kubus,  - then to Alexander Bay , it is a conservancy and amazing routes  -some mountains and sand – cant go into park with bike.
18.   Then to port nolloth (I did work there) – lovely town.
19.   I would not go to hondekilp bay with bigger bikers lots of and. I will aim for springbok then south along dirt road along escarpment  (west of N7) to Garies.
20.   Aim for Clanwillaim  -do the longest dirt road south to Tankwa and do old postal route via Biedouw valley to Wuppertal and 4x4 route to Ceres. If in winder Doring river may be full -then via botterkloof pass.



Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on May 16, 2020, 09:25:30 pm
So, am i right if i say we have the underneath tracks now and still need the bit from Limpopo to Northern cape?
Its fairly easy to use basecamp with T4A and just plot the gravel closest to the SA border to meet up with Track1 again but what the road really looks like is another story?? I assume the aim is still for the average big adv bike rider to do this?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BlueBull2007 on May 18, 2020, 04:52:21 pm
I merged the topics on XT JOE's request. Should I leave it under General or movie it to planning a ride?
I think it will get more exposure under General

:thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Kleebs on May 18, 2020, 09:32:14 pm
2017 I rode around SA and visited every border post. Rode as close to oceans and borders as possible. 8500km anyone is welcome to contact me for info on routes etc
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2020, 12:22:40 pm
TSAT North and South as I have it now

Both will have breakout rides from GP to join the track (TSAT south breakout not shown here)

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on May 20, 2020, 12:57:50 pm
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: bud500 on May 20, 2020, 03:25:27 pm
Really like this idea. Great work to all involved.  :thumleft:

Some suggestions:
1. You need a banner on the beta site's landing page "shouting" out the trail's name. Although the logo is awesome, it's a bit hidden.
2. Considering foreigners, one would have to be very clear around visa requirements if the route goes out of SA and into Lesotho or Swazi.
3. In terms of funding, maybe consider a certificate of completion, for a small fee. Such as the Ironbutt Association does, or the Aussie Hard Arse Rider Challenge.

Keep up the good work.  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 09:09:26 am
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 09:17:53 am
Damn so many dirt roads the most tricky bit is deciding on which one is the most scenic !
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on May 21, 2020, 09:52:29 am
Little bit of point but i just looked at ioverlander website or app and its amazing. Camping spots all over the world including everywhere on the TSAT.
Cheers.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 21, 2020, 10:14:38 am
Little bit of point but i just looked at ioverlander website or app and its amazing. Camping spots all over the world including everywhere on the TSAT.
Cheers.
Great now to merge the two  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on May 23, 2020, 10:58:15 am
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 23, 2020, 12:04:46 pm
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: 73 Peanut on May 24, 2020, 08:19:36 pm
You need to ask Tommy transalp and Draad to go for a ride up bezuidenhouts and give you there opinion because I to agree that it is to rough for heavier adventure bikes doing a long trip . It could put a person off the route .
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: bud500 on May 25, 2020, 09:58:49 am
Conceptually I also like how these guys manage this iconic hiking trail.

https://appalachiantrail.org/explore/
 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on May 25, 2020, 07:30:34 pm
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good  :thumleft:

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 09:15:32 am
OK here is my contribution after being asked by XT Joe to assist with the KZN section of the route.

My route runs from Amersfoort in the North to the start of Sani Pass.

It is a 2 day route, with a highly recommended overnight stop at Zingela, which is about half way through the route.

The route is 681km in length, it is probably 90% on dirt roads, it is all on public roads and should be fine for an average rider on a 1200.
@JonW , the route I have runs more to the west (Bezuidenhouts, Spioenkop, Bergville, Underberg etc) . Have you ridden this section and which one would you prefer ?

Sidetrack I am sure your route is cool, I think I have done most of those roads.

I prefer the route that I came up with because it takes you through the real KZN, past historic sites such as Rorkes Drift and through the bush of the Tugela Valley.

I can't see exactly where some of your route goes as you didn't post the gpx file, but I think a lot of it is on straight roads that go past miles of mielie fields, great if your objective is to get through as quickly as possible.

I wouldn't include Bezuidenhout's in the route, can get gnarly and may be too much for an average rider on a 1200.
Great thanks, real KZN sounds good  :thumleft:

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.
Great  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:23:58 pm
Updated TSAT south now includes Jon's KZN track. Limpopo part still to be confirmed but I think the rest is good to go. Small detour to Morgans Bay included for someone wanting to go to the sea on route
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: OomD on May 26, 2020, 12:37:57 pm
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:39:57 pm
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 26, 2020, 12:42:18 pm
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: bud500 on May 26, 2020, 12:49:04 pm
I see tt bypasses Transkei. I've never ridden there, but I understand it is prime riding world. Or is it too rough? A stop at hole in the wall would be a nice add-on.
It would but it might be out of the way a bit, still an option. Never ridden there so have to plot some routes.

I would include those as POI or Accom options/detours.
Travellers can choose to go there, but it takes quite some time to travel safely.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: gser on May 27, 2020, 11:03:41 am
Lyk baie goed ...
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif  border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2020, 11:10:32 am
Lyk baie goed ...
Vraag ? why not incorporating the RSA most extreme points ; Pont Drif  border post in the north , Kosi Bay border post in the east, La Agulhas in the south and Alexanderbaai in the west.
Cape Agulhas is in the southern route. Alexanderbaai in in the northern route. This is not really a 4 corners track more of a crossing SA one. The TAT is the same goes from East to West through the middle of the country. But yes many options.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on May 27, 2020, 11:29:22 am
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.

sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)

Possible, or too much?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2020, 11:37:49 am
Some advice from the guys who have ridden this. The Long Tom and southern Sudwala option I know well. There is also an route that one can take north (purple) which includes a bit of tar but takes you past Bourkes Luck, God's Window etc. More of a sight seeing cruise whilst the southern part is more dirt. Which option would you say ? Both leads to Hazyview and connects to the Kruger fence ride.

sidetrack, the various options (all attactive!) that are being offered, got me thinking about how to present the TSAT and its options of your website, in a clear and concise manner. So I have the following idea (if it isn't workable, don't shoot me - I know buggerall about constructing websites or their functionalities!): Have an interactive map of South Africa, with the main route and all alternatives shown on it. Must be able to zoom in on the map, to see more detail in a selected area. Break up the trail into chunks (probably between major intersections, or on a typical day ride extent, or overnight points/towns, whatever basis that works). Then when the viewer hovers a mouse pointer (laptop) or click (phone) on a section, the basic info on that section/chunk pops up. Things like distance, typical time to complete, road/track conditions (also % tar vs gravel), scenic attractions, historical attractions, etc.)

Possible, or too much?
Definitely I was thinking of doing it per section say max 400km a day or so. How the interactive map will be constructed I have no idea. Maybe some type of link to Google maps ? I'm also a newbie at website building as you can see from what we have already. As soon as the route is set and I think this is needed as including too many options we will have a hundred paths running all over the country then one can setup an interactive map like you mentioned.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on June 01, 2020, 05:30:38 pm

This weekend I am going to do part of my route, from Weenen up towards Pomeroy.

Will take a few pics along the way.


So we did a circular trip along part of the proposed Kzn leg of the TSAT, and it was a really nice ride.

Didn't stop and take many pics, but here are a few:


Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on June 01, 2020, 05:32:06 pm
A few more:

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on June 02, 2020, 01:01:33 pm
Great thanks Jon. I think we are almost there with the route. When lockdown is lifted just need to check o the Limpopo part. There are 2 options for LP and MP which needs confirmation.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: XT JOE on June 24, 2020, 07:32:18 pm
Holding thumbs to do a run up from Ct following most of this route up to at least southern Mpumalanga maybe a bit more, just to much to see with newly acquired pig  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on June 25, 2020, 01:04:16 pm
Holding thumbs to do a run up from Ct following most of this route up to at least southern Mpumalanga maybe a bit more, just to much to see with newly acquired pig  :ricky:
This no border crossing better stop soon, need to confirm the MP and LP tracks  :biggrin:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: OomD on June 26, 2020, 10:03:37 am
Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why the eastern cape routes go around the old transkei, instead of through it? Is it to include the awesome trails south of Lesotho? Or is Transkei trails a bit on the wild side? Would'ver been nice if some of the trails took one past the hole in the wall.

Just wondering.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Ian in Great Brak River on June 30, 2020, 02:13:50 pm
This is looking really interesting ... will there be a North loop for those starting from the South and a South loop from those starting from the North?

Great effort guys, thanks!
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on July 22, 2020, 12:16:20 pm
This is looking really interesting ... will there be a North loop for those starting from the South and a South loop from those starting from the North?

Great effort guys, thanks!
Yip north that leads from Saldanha to Musina
South Musina to Cape Agulhas

First release will be a beta route for the brave, as we ride it we can improve where needed
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: chicco on July 22, 2020, 12:41:15 pm
I use to arrange the annual Renegade ride in KZN a couple of years ago, will look for the links. Me and Mark Hardy, the time he was still in KZN.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=38421.msg765121#msg765121

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=92930.0
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 10:55:25 am
I have made the 1st post the one where updates are made to the route
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 10:57:13 am
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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 11:07:13 am
Possible TSAT North

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vkzv3w5trjsmdsc/TSAT%20North.gpx?dl=0
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 07, 2020, 11:10:03 am
Also the idea of the TSAT is to have the most scenic enjoyable riding on roads open to the general public. We can have a look at a more technical challenging one at a later stage but I think as per above will appeal to most people and visitors.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 10:52:40 am
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Gee S on August 11, 2020, 03:19:14 pm
Very good suggestion @Bloggs, and not detracting in the least from the TSAT. You make good points in terms of tourism being the lifeblood of many small towns. I would like to add guest farms to that as many farmers also rely heavily on tourism to boost revenues. They can also offer a unique experience and input for especially foreign tourists.

I would also like to see a possible alternative route around the north western and/or central part of the country that typically is neglected to a large extent. Towns that could be included (some not that small) are Vanzylsrus, Kuruman, Upington, Keimoes, Pofadder, Pella, Carnarvon, Vanrhynsdorp, Ceres etc. Maybe an interlinking route between your suggestion and my proposed route could be included.

Just a few things to think about.
Great Idea Dorsland. I would add Bray to this route
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on August 11, 2020, 05:07:25 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below

I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast!  ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:26:28 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below

I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast!  ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
Hi did you follow the same route ? I think the pass south of Hogsback alone is going to keep one busy quite some time. It’s over 700km all dirt. See the planning a ride post, two options there

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=250295.msg4503236#msg4503236
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: JonW on August 11, 2020, 05:31:37 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below

I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast!  ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)

Petrol is available in Rhodes.

Not a formal fuel station, but a local resident has a sideline business supplying fuel at a small mark-up. he seems to keep quite a bit of fuel in stock, so no need to pre-order.



Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:33:07 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below

I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast!  ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)

Petrol is available in Rhodes.

Not a formal fuel station, but a local resident has a sideline business supplying fuel at a small mark-up. he seems to keep quite a bit of fuel in stock, so no need to pre-order.
Good to know  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 11, 2020, 05:33:41 pm
Things are coming together nicely
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: bud500 on August 12, 2020, 10:38:32 am
Topics merged
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 11:17:43 am
Thanks
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:09:40 pm
Input please, two options for the Eastern Cape section. Red option quite remote and a longer ride, no options yet for a sleepover. Approaches Hogsback from the South and offers more scenic and technical riding. Blue to the left will run through Queenstown and Cathcart, you will enter Hogsback from the north. Thoughts ?

@Vis Arend if you don't mind looking at these two options ? I know option 1 is the route you submitted, the other one allows for more towns to be visited but not sure what the riding is like. Option 1 is tough to find accommodation and is quite a stretch from Rhodes to Hogsback. Tracks attached below

I did Hogsback to Rhodes in one day, quite easily with heavy loaded bike and pillion (i.e. not going very fast!  ;D). So not a must to take two days. Just remember that there is no petrol station in Rhodes! So the TSAT must draw attention to this, otherwise overseas visitors may easily get stuck. Rhodeans have helped out bikers in the past, but may feel a bit taken for granted if a whole bunch of bikers start arriving without fuel. (Of course, it could open a business opportunity for a quick-witted resident...)
It's 724km from Rhodes to Hogback on the TSAT, shorter if one cuts out entering Hogsback from the south on the rough pass but I think it needs to be part of the adventure. Need a place in between to camp / stay over.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:13:51 pm
Anyone know the small town of Ida Eastern Cape ? Would be the right place on the route to stay over but cant find any info on it.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 02:47:51 pm
The other option is Elliot
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 03:06:36 pm
1st post is where all the updates will be made to the route
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on August 12, 2020, 03:34:24 pm
Ek is nie seker wat die intensie van die pad behoort te wees nie maar daai stukkie van Patensie na Steytler is frikken hairy. Kanse vir omval op klippe met 1000+ Adv bike is 90%  (of ek ry net kak  :xxbah: )
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 04:18:35 pm
Ek is nie seker wat die intensie van die pad behoort te wees nie maar daai stukkie van Patensie na Steytler is frikken hairy. Kanse vir omval op klippe met 1000+ Adv bike is 90%  (of ek ry net kak  :xxbah: )
Schalk last time I did that route was many years ago on a DRZ400 and my friends were on 650 singles. It was not tough on those bikes at least but things may also have changed. Make an alternative suggestion and we keep that one as a technical option ? It was quite scenic from what I remember  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: SchalkL on August 12, 2020, 08:34:49 pm
Ek is nie seker wat die intensie van die pad behoort te wees nie maar daai stukkie van Patensie na Steytler is frikken hairy. Kanse vir omval op klippe met 1000+ Adv bike is 90%  (of ek ry net kak  :xxbah: )
Schalk last time I did that route was many years ago on a DRZ400 and my friends were on 650 singles. It was not tough on those bikes at least but things may also have changed. Make an alternative suggestion and we keep that one as a technical option ? It was quite scenic from what I remember  :thumleft:
IT is very scenic yes, did it about 3 months ago in a 4x4 and its ok for a 650 but bigger you will have to know your stuff. Problem for me is not the falling over but if solo and break a leg or something you in big shit. Definitely better fm Patensie to Sville though, going down the rocky side instead of up. 
Alternative is 40km further but very nice fast flat gravel for a big bike.
Attached.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BirdRanger on August 12, 2020, 08:56:19 pm
Hi, I love this idea and would like to get involved with this plotting thing but for the Nubes like me around here, what GPS and software do I need to use these files? Thanks


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 12, 2020, 09:57:58 pm
Hi, I love this idea and would like to get involved with this plotting thing but for the Nubes like me around here, what GPS and software do I need to use these files? Thanks


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Hi Garmin Basecamp and Google Earth is all I use.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2020, 08:15:10 am
So lockdown is semi lifted, who is going to be first to report back on a section  :deal: I'm looking at exploring part of the Lydenburg route soon.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BirdRanger on August 18, 2020, 09:06:24 am
So lockdown is semi lifted, who is going to be first to report back on a section  :deal: I'm looking at exploring part of the Lydenburg route soon.
Would like to tag along for a day if it’s over a weekend?


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 18, 2020, 09:51:33 am
So lockdown is semi lifted, who is going to be first to report back on a section  :deal: I'm looking at exploring part of the Lydenburg route soon.
Would like to tag along for a day if it’s over a weekend?


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Will keep you updated  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: dominic on August 20, 2020, 09:55:56 pm
Hey sidetrack need any assistance with the website?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2020, 11:08:27 am
Hey sidetrack need any assistance with the website?
Always looking for input to improve it

Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 21, 2020, 12:37:45 pm
Hopefully doing the Lydenburg, Hazyview, Sudwala loop next weekend. Need to take Friday off it's going to be 750km plus
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 26, 2020, 06:38:05 pm
Anyone reading this, anyone interested ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BirdRanger on August 26, 2020, 06:43:54 pm
Very interested, but very limited time and money.


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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on August 26, 2020, 06:58:50 pm
sidetrack, the forum doesn't show how many times I check this thread, but it is at least onceca day. My current circumstances dont allow much time for riding, but i am.watching...
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2020, 07:16:27 pm
Sub  :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 26, 2020, 07:32:06 pm
Thanks sometimes feel like I’m talking to myself  :o SA has so many tracks, the route on page 1 is a good starting point me thinks. If anyone has ridden parts of it or have better suggestions please let us know. Some parts I logged with GE and dont even know if it’s rideable. On a side note I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000  :patch:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on August 26, 2020, 08:02:16 pm
I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000  :patch:

That would be amazingly cheap for folks earning euros or dollars. Of course, bike rental will be a lot more, but still.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BiG DoM on August 26, 2020, 09:06:56 pm
Thanks sometimes feel like I’m talking to myself  :o SA has so many tracks, the route on page 1 is a good starting point me thinks. If anyone has ridden parts of it or have better suggestions please let us know. Some parts I logged with GE and dont even know if it’s rideable. On a side note I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000  :patch:

Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend.  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 27, 2020, 09:09:01 am
Thanks sometimes feel like I’m talking to myself  :o SA has so many tracks, the route on page 1 is a good starting point me thinks. If anyone has ridden parts of it or have better suggestions please let us know. Some parts I logged with GE and dont even know if it’s rideable. On a side note I worked out that one roughly needs 2-3 weeks to complete this ride and the cost will be +- R15 000  :patch:

Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend.  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mordy on August 27, 2020, 03:39:39 pm
@sidetrack I'm fully booked this weekend but can definitely make a plan in future. PM me if you are planning something. 
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: I&horse on August 27, 2020, 08:12:53 pm
Sub
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BiG DoM on August 27, 2020, 08:15:46 pm


Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend.  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
[/quote]Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
[/quote]

46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 28, 2020, 09:56:53 am


Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend.  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?
[/quote]

46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
[/quote]Yes see some good roads there
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: Ventana on August 28, 2020, 10:08:37 am
Thanks for all the effort in putting the TSAT together  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

- now I just need to find the time to do it........
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BiG DoM on August 29, 2020, 09:26:08 pm


Any EC sections you want ridden just shout - probably going Katberg/Hogsback direction this weekend.  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky:
Hi I have this in and around Hogsback, how rough is section 46 and 47 ? Best route to take the 47 or 48S ? Northern one looks to be more scenic and has some extra passes ?

46 is scenic and good riding. 47 - Mitchels Pass used to be hectic but was rebuit and not rough now (will have another look this wekend) 47 - from Seymour to Katbeg Pass is fine but 47 - Katberg Pass itself is a lot more challenging and washed out to bedrock these days, with some step-ups, 48S is fine riding and very scenic (actually the whole area) and would be easier than the 47 Katberg Pass piece I thnk. But both are great adventure riding. The Rally Raid is being held at Hogsback this weekend with 150 riders so I am sure these routes will get ridden and you should have first hand current feedback.
[/quote]Yes see some good roads there
[/quote]

Ok so those maps must be an old Rally Raid but do show some routes in the area. Just an update on 47 Mitchells Pass - after they rebuilt it a few years ago it was a veritable gravel highway having been virtually impassable at one stage. Well now it is starting to return to its previous ignominious state! Still quite rideable by intermediate riders, with a few washed out areas starting to show bedrock again. Momentum is key. Avoid if possible if very wet. They should really repair it now while they can.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: charlatan on August 30, 2020, 12:17:13 pm
Just came across this thread. Think it's a great idea, but where can I see the full route? The .gpx linked on the first thread is 3.5kb and contains only one waypoint (Mankele campsite).  :-\
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on August 31, 2020, 07:23:21 am
Just came across this thread. Think it's a great idea, but where can I see the full route? The .gpx linked on the first thread is 3.5kb and contains only one waypoint (Mankele campsite).  :-\
It's fixed, correct file uploaded (16MB)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: charlatan on August 31, 2020, 10:58:08 pm
Thanks for fixing!

We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.

Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 07:58:14 am
Thanks for fixing!

We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.

Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
Great thanks a lot, so the water crossing is on the TSAT route ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 08:44:10 am
Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in green
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: roxenz on September 01, 2020, 09:00:03 am
Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in green
Perhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?

@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).

Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!)  :thumleft:
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 09:13:49 am
Confirmed sections ridden to be marked in green
Perhaps note somewhere the (approx) date it was ridden?

@sidetrack - this is coming along big time. It will be fantastic when done (not it will ever be "done" - there will be continuous updates and add-ons, I guess).

Do you have any plans to "market" the TSAT when at operational status? Like on the US and EU adv forums? And with local service/accomm providers? (Not really necessary for me to know all these details; I'm just following this keenly simply because I'm captivated by your vision and enthusiasm!)  :thumleft:
That would be great but it will take some doing, I'm only adding bits and bobs here and there in between my real work  ::) Progress is slow and I don't really have a mind for business as I can attest by always selling my bikes for a loss  :lol8: But one can always try. Yes not sure if it will ever be 100%, just the accommodation for example I pulled of GE as they are close or near the route. Cant say if they all still exist or will even be motorcycle friendly but as a collective I'm sure we can get this to work.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on September 01, 2020, 09:14:58 am
Thanks for fixing!

We actually did tracks 71, 72 & 73 (Middelpos, Gannaga, Eselbank, Ceres) about a week ago. The Doring crossing at Uitspankraal was not passable by 4x4, but they have a new & improved bike pont. Basically, you strap your bike to a makeshift frame and swim it across. Much fun. See https://www.facebook.com/Uitspankraal/posts/2503868433049513
I can vouch that it will easily carry a loaded 1290. Just keep your boots on... I slipped in the mud on the bank and removed a toe nail.

Towards Middelpos:
(https://i.imgur.com/zB6J5oj.jpg)
Gannaga pass
(https://i.imgur.com/G06stBm.jpg)
Getting some pussy at Gannaga lodge
(https://i.imgur.com/pMYUtNgl.jpg)
Blinkvlei pan?
(https://i.imgur.com/dyXpbkI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ElF89vF.jpg)
Uitspankraal
(https://i.imgur.com/K8skn9z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BYBO6oQl.jpg?1)
May I use some of the photos for the Instagram page ? If you can remember on which section it was taken ?
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: charlatan on September 02, 2020, 09:07:19 am
Great thanks a lot, so the water crossing is on the TSAT route ?

Yes, Track 72 where it crosses the Doringrivier
May I use some of the photos for the Instagram page ? If you can remember on which section it was taken ?

No problem with me, but I'll have to check with the other guys first.
The first pic is towards the end of Track #70, Gannaga lodge and pass is on #71, and the rest are all on #72
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: charlatan on September 02, 2020, 05:33:19 pm
Keep in mind, I've been told that much of that route (track #72) crosses private land. There are a number of gates to open & close.
If you do decide to travel this route, please be considerate and respect the land owners, i.e. take it slow.
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mordy on October 03, 2020, 03:17:10 pm
@sidetrack I rode the section with the turnoff between Roosenekal and Lydenburg about 2 days ago. I think it was the Beetge turnoff. There are some technical rocky sections and amazing views. Only problem is after all that there's a locked black gate about three quarters into the route to the R37. Strange as the previous 3 gates I went through were just closed. So that option would be just go check the views and come back or find some way to get through there (maybe there's someone at Salberg river retreat that can open or has the combo or whatever). (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201003/7ac13858061484c38e2ab3d821d84c43.jpg)

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: BiG DoM on October 03, 2020, 03:32:33 pm
Big problem in SA compared to Euro TET ... farm security and gates being locked even on public roads ...  :o
Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: mordy on October 03, 2020, 03:55:18 pm
Ja nee, bit of a kak one. In hindsight I could have used my reverse/selfie camera and checked the sign on the gate for a number or something but 20/20 and all that. It was still a lekker ride back climbing up the rocks.

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Title: Re: TSAT (Trans South Africa Trail)
Post by: sidetrack on October 04, 2020, 05:57:31 pm
@sidetrack I rode the section with the turnoff between Roosenekal and Lydenburg about 2 days ago. I think it was the Beetge turnoff. There are some technical rocky sections and amazing views. Only problem is after all that there's a locked black gate about three quarters into the route to the R37. Strange as the previous 3 gates I went through were just closed. So that option would be just go check the views and come back or find some way to get through there (maybe there's someone at Salberg river retreat that can open or has the combo or whatever). (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201003/7ac13858061484c38e2ab3d821d84c43.jpg)

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Thanks there is another option Hazyview side. I have tried to call Salberg a number of times but the number on the internet does not work.