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Title: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 12:52:50 pm
In fear of sounding like my location-mate, CPT Slow (nee nie lokasie nie, ligging soos in PE) ::) - I need some usefull info from the members.

I would like to get myself an addition to the GS.  The GS is a very, very nice bike but has its limitations.  Hence I decided not to upgrade to a GSA but rather invest the moolas in another more fit for purpose yster.

My criteria

A bike that I can thrash on the single tracks (Enduro Style)
Something that I do not have to put on a tailer to take somewhere (Roadworthy)
250 or 450 - no bigger
4 stroke
Relatively cheap

I've looked at the WR 250 & 450 which is not roadworthy, not sure if it can be made RW thou... ???

Some comments and suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks
Jacques
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Disselboom on November 05, 2008, 12:55:09 pm
DRZ 400?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: RedWolf on November 05, 2008, 01:01:49 pm
If you wanted something bigger, definitely XR650R, otherwise DRZ400.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 01:04:36 pm
If you wanted something bigger, definitely XR650R, otherwise DRZ400.

Ek sal my linkerklinker gee maar waar kry mens een?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: dirtman on November 05, 2008, 01:15:27 pm
DRZ or Honda, both good choices.

I had a Wr250F and could not RW it.

I believe you can buy one new with the road kit, but this will be expensive.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 05, 2008, 01:17:46 pm
Suzuki Djebel 250 XC.  Street legal, lekka suspension, air cooled with an external oil cooler, weighing in at 118kg with 22kW vooma, and realisticly priced - it fulfil your criteria.  :mwink:

PM Operator, Herms among other if you do not believe me ... I am pretty sure they will as owners of the same scooter support my suggestion.

Call me if you want to take mine for a spin  :thumleft:

Alternatively the Yammie TTR250 is also a good bike.

I have inside info that a fresh shipment is about to be received by the importer from whom I got mine (available end Nov).
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on November 05, 2008, 01:27:28 pm
BMW G450X :mwink: :deal:
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Yefimovich˛ on November 05, 2008, 01:31:03 pm
BMW G450X :mwink: :deal:

+1  :drif:
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Snafu on November 05, 2008, 01:38:24 pm
Hentie, wat verstaan jy onder "relatively cheap" :)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 01:47:55 pm
BMW G450X :mwink: :deal:

Hentie steek jy alweer jou kop uit, ek kan net nie van jou af weg kom nie  -hou op kak maak!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on November 05, 2008, 01:50:57 pm
BMW G450X :mwink: :deal:

Hentie steek jy alweer jou kop uit, ek kan net nie van jou af weg kom nie  -hou op kak maak!!!!!!!!! ;D
EK PROBEER JOU MAAR NET HELP >:DWAT KLAAR IS IS KLAAR!!! :deal: :pot:
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: shark_za on November 05, 2008, 01:51:59 pm
The XR650 . XR400 and DRZ400 are not "plastic bikes"

They are heavy mini dual purpose bikes.

Look out for a TTR250 in this class. Awesomely capable and cheap if you find one grey. Again more a DS than a plastic but better offroad than the ones mentioned above.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: pantsula on November 05, 2008, 01:55:10 pm
BMW G450X :mwink: :deal:

Over R70 000 and needs to be serviced every 10 hours!

Very nice but just way to expensive to buy and RUN!
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 01:57:17 pm
Just came back from Suzuki - Quote on a DRZ400 R60 odd thousand, ffs what are they thinking...........
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: shark_za on November 05, 2008, 01:58:28 pm
ouch , the TTR250 is around 50k new at Yamaha.

But Grey I have seen then going for R20k
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Hentie @ Riders on November 05, 2008, 02:12:52 pm
GEE-SH ek kan hom vrydag vir jou reg he!!!!! >:D :mwink: :peepwall: :deal:
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 02:16:11 pm
GEE-SH ek kan hom vrydag vir jou reg he!!!!! >:D :mwink: :peepwall: :deal:


Wanneer is die eerste paaiement, - einde Des?...........ek sal hom  graag vir die Des vakansie wil ry voordat BMW Financial Service hom 1 Januarie 2009 reposes hahahaha.  - As ek maar net kon het ek al lankal jou raad gevolg. ;)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: MrBig on November 05, 2008, 02:19:26 pm
The XR650 . XR400 and DRZ400 are not "plastic bikes"

They are heavy mini dual purpose bikes.

Look out for a TTR250 in this class. Awesomely capable and cheap if you find one grey. Again more a DS than a plastic but better offroad than the ones mentioned above.


Hows that?
TTR better off road than the XR400?
Eish!

TTR250
113kg 20.6kw
Front suspension - Telescopic forks,   Coil air spring oil damper,   280mm wheel travel
Rear Suspension - Monocross, 280mm wheel travel
Ground clearance 300mm
But it's electric start and carries 2 liters more fuel.

XR400R
116kg 24.8kw
Front suspension - cartridge fork with 18-position compression and 12-position rebound damping adjustability, 300mm wheel travel
Rear suspension - Pro-Link Showa single shock with spring preload, 16-position compression and 16-position rebound damping adjustability, 300mm wheel travel
Ground clearance 310mm
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: shark_za on November 05, 2008, 02:34:46 pm
Maybe not so much the XR400.
 
But the DRZ is a 130kg+ bike.
The XR too.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: MrBig on November 05, 2008, 02:36:34 pm
The DRZ400E is 119kg
Thats with electric start, 29.2Kw and same specs on suspension as XR400R
But no roadkit or rear subframe.
FANTASTIC bike!
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: RedWolf on November 05, 2008, 02:45:26 pm
If you wanted something bigger, definitely XR650R, otherwise DRZ400.

Ek sal my linkerklinker gee maar waar kry mens een?

Soek en jy sal vind. Het so 6 maande vir myne gesoek.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 02:52:01 pm
The DRZ400E is 119kg
Thats with electric start, 29.2Kw and same specs on suspension as XR400R
But no roadkit or rear subframe.
FANTASTIC bike!

Agree but IMHO with a price tag of over R60K for the 2008 model makes it very undesireable.  The local dealer expect the 2009 model to be just under R70K  :o

Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: MrBig on November 05, 2008, 03:00:02 pm
The DRZ400E is 119kg
Thats with electric start, 29.2Kw and same specs on suspension as XR400R
But no roadkit or rear subframe.
FANTASTIC bike!

Agree but IMHO with a price tag of over R60K for the 2008 model makes it very undesireable.  The local dealer expect the 2009 model to be just under R70K  :o



You can find them second hand if you're patient (ok make that VERY patient).
I've seen some E's in the 30-35 range.
In fact I know of a beautiful one thats available for 30k in Cape Town
01 model me thinks but has very few kilos on. Still original tyres, immaculately cared for.
Almost bought it myself but it's more than what I want to spend plus other issues.
This specific bike is fully off-road was scrapped (to avoid paying registration) so a clearance is need + roadworthy (after fitting roadkit). This will make it a code 3 though.

Just saying - they are out there...
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: MrBig on November 05, 2008, 03:01:51 pm
Just looking at these things makes me drool:

Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: SandMan on November 05, 2008, 03:03:49 pm
How about a KTM 525 EXC? Seriously leka to ride, hobos power and you can get them with all the lights. I know there are some second hand ones going for a really good price.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: pantsula on November 05, 2008, 03:11:05 pm
Just looking at these things makes me drool:

http://www.bikepics.com/suzuki/drz400/
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: shark_za on November 05, 2008, 03:13:27 pm
The DRZ feels big and heavy compared to the TTR250.
Ride them and see.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 03:26:26 pm
The DRZ feels big and heavy compared to the TTR250.
Ride them and see.


I've heard it from someone else as well, and that is exactly what I'm trying not to have.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: MrBig on November 05, 2008, 03:30:30 pm
The DRZ feels big and heavy compared to the TTR250.
Ride them and see.


I have and I don't necessarily agree.
But then I'm tall and enjoy the high seat of the DRZ.

The 'E' come standard with a Keihin FCR 39 flatside carburetor.  
It's the same carb as the YZ400, WR400 and the KTM
Makes a big difference in response and delivery.

No denying that the TTR250 is a nice bike.
But IMO it's nowhere close to the 'E'
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Riebeek on November 05, 2008, 03:37:43 pm
Option 1: Yamaha WR450 + bulletproof + cheap spares
Option 2: KTM 450 EXC  + there is something like quality of parts - not so cheap spares

It will not be fun to take a small bike on tar for more than 20km.  I picked the KTM just because I wanted it and is still riding it (and loving it)after buying it 3 years ago.  No major breakages, lots of maintenance.

Price range on a roadworthy KTM 450 EXC between R35K en R45K.  Same for a KTM525EXC.  The RCF (KTM) motors are also bulletproof.  The reason I put the Yamaha at option 1 is that you might find one slightly cheaper than a KTM.

I am not a fan of the Honda CRF450X (also not sure if it is roadworthy).

To be honest, maybe you should narrow it down for us between a roadworthy enduro bike or a small DS bike.  Do not have a lot of experience on small DS bikes.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 03:44:33 pm
Option 1: Yamaha WR450 + bulletproof + cheap spares
Option 2: KTM 450 EXC  + there is something like quality of parts - not so cheap spares

It will not be fun to take a small bike on tar for more than 20km.  I picked the KTM just because I wanted it and is still riding it (and loving it)after buying it 3 years ago.  No major breakages, lots of maintenance.

Price range on a roadworthy KTM 450 EXC between R35K en R45K.  Same for a KTM525EXC.  The RCF (KTM) motors are also bulletproof.  The reason I put the Yamaha at option 1 is that you might find one slightly cheaper than a KTM.

I am not a fan of the Honda CRF450X (also not sure if it is roadworthy).

To be honest, maybe you should narrow it down for us between a roadworthy enduro bike or a small DS bike.  Do not have a lot of experience on small DS bikes.

Thanks for all the insights so far, Riebeek to answer your questions - I'm aiming for a RW Endure bike.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 05, 2008, 03:53:04 pm
Thanks for all the insights so far, Riebeek to answer your questions - I'm aiming for a RW Endure bike.


That's it!  You want a Ducati MH900e  Enjoy, but just a little warning ... is is not cheap and a little bit heavy.

Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Disselboom on November 05, 2008, 03:57:05 pm
There's two DRZ's in EL, one for 35k and a '02 for 20k. :deal:
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 04:25:45 pm
Watty jou gap-gat hehehhe ;D
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: shark_za on November 05, 2008, 04:28:21 pm
If you are not going to compete why not get the CRF230 with road legal kit.
Mild but its a tractor.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 04:31:12 pm
Did not know you can get them with a road kit - thanks
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Go Big on November 05, 2008, 04:33:30 pm
Bike shop in P.E bringing in a container full of TTR 250 . 250 Djiebels, KLX 250 ............ and by the way theres a XR 650 R in there as well super condition with long range tank, two tone seat, never been off road, etc.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 04:36:20 pm
Where can I get more info?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Go Big on November 05, 2008, 04:45:33 pm
 Speak to Barton from Track and Tar motorcycles in Lorraine. 08 four 94757 four 0.
He has pictures of all the bikes and personally picked them when he was in Japan a short while ago. Watty, Herms, Gorra.....etc, etc. all wild doggers baught from him you can ask them for referances .
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 04:49:36 pm
As we speak I'm calling him - this might just be a great day!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 05, 2008, 04:52:41 pm
Damn do you perhaps have another no that one can not be accessed.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 05, 2008, 04:55:28 pm
Speak to Barton from Track and Tar motorcycles in Lorraine. 08 four 94757 four 0.
He has pictures of all the bikes and personally picked them when he was in Japan a short while ago. Watty, Herms, Gorra.....etc, etc. all wild doggers baught from him you can ask them for references .

Also Operator (Djebel 250XC), Spearo (TTR250 Raid), Metaljockey(African Twin)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 05, 2008, 04:56:43 pm
not sure if these are still available of if they have been sold

talk to wesmar - tel: (021) 981 6732

bought my zzr from them
operator bought a djebel from them
ondier bought a ttr from them
eisbein bought a ttr from them

very clean bikes
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Bus on November 05, 2008, 05:08:06 pm
Look at Kawa KLX450

They come klaar road worthy
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 05, 2008, 05:14:15 pm
i have also seen drz400 going for 28k

but its only once in a blue moon that you find that - and then you dont know if it will go pooof
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Poffmuis on November 05, 2008, 05:18:42 pm
not sure if these are still available of if they have been sold

talk to wesmar - tel: (021) 981 6732

bought my zzr from them
operator bought a djebel from them
ondier bought a ttr from them
eisbein bought a ttr from them

very clean bikes

Waar is die website?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 05, 2008, 05:21:50 pm
Waar is die website?

jou ma jou nie geleer om asb te se nie?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 05, 2008, 05:26:39 pm
www.pocketrockets.co.za

only works with internet explorer and even then it still buggy

but the website is not that up to date

best is to go to their warehouse/showroom - the have lots of good looking bikes

mostly road bikes
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Kawasefi on November 05, 2008, 05:35:41 pm
Check out the new Puzey XTR250 LC2.  I saw the ad on page 170 of November's Bike SA and gave them a call.  It's a liquid cooled 4-stroke 250, with (apparently) much better performance and higher quality suspension & components than the CRF230 and TTR230 for less moola.  They sell the enduro model which is roadworthy for R28990. Me thinks it's a bargain.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: the_BOBNOB on November 05, 2008, 05:42:16 pm
higher quality suspension & components than the CRF230 and TTR230 for less moola

somehow i think that is sales talk  ???
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 05, 2008, 06:26:16 pm
Puzey = Chinese = definately plastic
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Wolweseun on November 05, 2008, 06:30:27 pm
I personaly would really like an XR650R

It is a hooligan machine of note and is very capable off road and loves being on its back wheel

The DRZ400 is probably the next best but I have seen you can pick up a KTM525 from 25k but then need to make it roadworthy and that is a schlep
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Kawasefi on November 05, 2008, 07:06:21 pm
Puzey = Chinese = definately plastic
CRF230 = Brazilian = ???
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GreenMamba1974 on November 05, 2008, 07:10:39 pm
Suzuki Djebel 250 XC.  Street legal, lekka suspension, air cooled with an external oil cooler, weighing in at 118kg with 22kW vooma, and realisticly priced - it fulfil your criteria.  :mwink:

PM Operator, Herms among other if you do not believe me ... I am pretty sure they will as owners of the same scooter support my suggestion.

Call me if you want to take mine for a spin  :thumleft:

Alternatively the Yammie TTR250 is also a good bike.

I have inside info that a fresh shipment is about to be received by the importer from whom I got mine (available end Nov).

what watty said!
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Runner on November 05, 2008, 07:25:40 pm
If you wanted something bigger, definitely XR650R, otherwise DRZ400.

Ek sien jy is nou heeltemal XR befok.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: LanceSA on November 05, 2008, 07:59:28 pm
The DRZ400E is 119kg
Thats with electric start, 29.2Kw and same specs on suspension as XR400R
But no roadkit or rear subframe.
FANTASTIC bike!

I raced a Drz for 2 years as an enduro bike (ok c stream but still...). I am 5'7" at a push and I loved the bike. By enduro standards it is a bit heavy but by the rest of the biking world it is an animal. Light, capable, unbreakable, easy to ride and so much more. I sold it for a 2-smoke 300cc but time has moved on and I want another one. Awesome bike. And some of the 'e' models came with rwc. I know mine did. If you do a search or go to a wd bash you are guaranteed to see some great examples that travel long distances to be there. Don't be swayed by opinions from those's that are guessing.

Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: LRFan on November 06, 2008, 07:53:27 am
Wat van 'n ouer XR200RE, Kan opgeboude een kry vir om en by R13 000 en is padvaardig.
Hannes.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Riebeek on November 06, 2008, 11:38:59 am
"Thanks for all the insights so far, Riebeek to answer your questions - I'm aiming for a RW Enduro bike."

Of all the bikes listed so for it is only the following that qualifies as a bike that I would do an enduro with, plus is road legal:
YamahaWR450
KTM450EXC
HondaCFR230
YamahaTTR
KawasakiKLX450

The rest are to heavy and just not designed to endure more than a couple enduros/WFOs.  If you want to be a weekend warrior (play with your mates in the nearest dirt patch) with a road legal plastic bike there is a lot of other options than listed above.  However if you want to compete in as many as possible enduros/WFO's/Enduro World races etc, I am of the opinion that you should stick to the ones listed above.

I do not know anyone who took part in an enduro and did not push his/her or the bike's limits.  It is just not possible to arive at a knee deep mudhole that streches for about 20 meters and deciding this is it, I am not going to thrash my bike.  Also the same when confronted with kilometers of rocks in a riverbed near Montagu or port jackson trees like hair on a dog's back.

Bottomline, decide what you want to do and let us know, maybe you can learn from the mistakes we made in the past.  Like entering an Enduro World tour in Bonnievale with a 1983 Yamaha TT600.  Yes the bike made it, rider was stuffed for about two weeks and lots and lots of repair work on the bike.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: El Zeffo on November 06, 2008, 08:24:53 pm
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Bospadda on November 07, 2008, 07:54:50 am
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Why, the man is looking for a "plastic bike", and as far as I understand it plastic bikes should not be heavy  ???  It was posted earlier on that the Djebel weighs 118kg, and that is not so light compaired to a KDX 200 or a CFR 250.

and who is GSholic?
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 07, 2008, 11:23:18 am
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Is nie!!!  GEE-SH moet net nie sy RoboCop outfit dra nie.
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 07, 2008, 11:52:00 am
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Is nie!!!  GEE-SH moet net nie sy RoboCop outfit dra nie.

Hey is ATGATT  ;D
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 07, 2008, 11:54:26 am
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Why, the man is looking for a "plastic bike", and as far as I understand it plastic bikes should not be heavy  ???  It was posted earlier on that the Djebel weighs 118kg, and that is not so light compaired to a KDX 200 or a CFR 250.

and who is GSholic?

GSholic was n moerse nice and goodlooking Senior Member on this Forum a while back............ ::)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Watty on November 07, 2008, 01:16:53 pm
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Why, the man is looking for a "plastic bike", and as far as I understand it plastic bikes should not be heavy  ???  It was posted earlier on that the Djebel weighs 118kg, and that is not so light compaired to a KDX 200 or a CFR 250.

and who is GSholic?

GSholic was n moerse nice and goodlooking Senior Member on this Forum a while back............ he left because he had a  big ego problem ::)

Fixed !

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/happy001.gif)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: El Zeffo on November 07, 2008, 03:48:26 pm
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Why, the man is looking for a "plastic bike", and as far as I understand it plastic bikes should not be heavy  ???  It was posted earlier on that the Djebel weighs 118kg, and that is not so light compaired to a KDX 200 or a CFR 250.

and who is GSholic?

Ummmm i mean to little power.... not too little weight.... dis 'n Afrikaanse ding.. ;)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: GEE-SH on November 09, 2008, 09:12:20 am
Watty daai Djebel is te lig vir GSholic... >:D

Why, the man is looking for a "plastic bike", and as far as I understand it plastic bikes should not be heavy  ???  It was posted earlier on that the Djebel weighs 118kg, and that is not so light compaired to a KDX 200 or a CFR 250.

and who is GSholic?

GSholic was n moerse nice and goodlooking Senior Member on this Forum a while back............ he left because he had a  big ego problem ::)

Fixed !

(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/happy001.gif)

It is a good thing he left, I never could really handle him and his charm,  I say good riddens  ::)
Title: Re: "Plastic" Bikes - Which 1
Post by: Stev0 on November 10, 2008, 07:32:16 am
In fear of sounding like my location-mate, CPT Slow (nee nie lokasie nie, ligging soos in PE) ::) - I need some usefull info from the members.

I would like to get myself an addition to the GS.  The GS is a very, very nice bike but has its limitations.  Hence I decided not to upgrade to a GSA but rather invest the moolas in another more fit for purpose yster.

My criteria

A bike that I can thrash on the single tracks (Enduro Style)
Something that I do not have to put on a tailer to take somewhere (Roadworthy)
250 or 450 - no bigger
4 stroke
Relatively cheap

I've looked at the WR 250 & 450 which is not roadworthy, not sure if it can be made RW thou... ???

Some comments and suggestions will be much appreciated.

Thanks
Jacques


Plastic bike?

WR450 having it put on the road is no problem. change the 14t counter sprocket to a 15 and she will cruise 120kph the whole day.  You will have tons of fun. the WR450 has a proven reliable 450 engine.. its probably one of the most reliable 450's available.

I dont regret buying mine.