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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Tyre kicker on April 17, 2020, 03:44:23 pm

Title: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Tyre kicker on April 17, 2020, 03:44:23 pm
I would like some advice and would like to know why you say so not merely what your favourite is.

I can get both a Honda  Transalp 700 2009 model with 30 000 Km's on the clock as well a 2011 Yamaha XT660R with 10 000km's on the clock.

The price is exactly the same on both.

Which one would you take and why?

Please note that I would like to do some touring mostly on tar but have off road capability on sand roads.
No Baviaans, Lesoto or the likes ever.

I want a smaller and more docile sightseeing bike to tour the country and country side  than a GS1200 or large KTM.
Please don't suggest other bikes as the question relates to these two bikes only. :thumleft:

Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: LouisXander on April 17, 2020, 03:47:50 pm
Both good bikes, but for what you say, Transalp
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: BFG on April 17, 2020, 04:32:31 pm
Both good bikes, but for what you say, Transalp
+1 Transalp
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Smoky on April 17, 2020, 04:37:49 pm
I have an XT 660R and I love it for commuting, but if I am using the highway my NC 700 is much smoother. I would suggest the Transalp, that is also a twin isn't it?
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: TrailBlazer on April 17, 2020, 04:38:59 pm
I would go with the 'Alp. It's a smooth-running twin, as opposed to a single.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Serfie on April 17, 2020, 04:42:05 pm
For what you need the bike to do, no doubt whatsoever ...go for the TA, it has a twin cylinder and has much more oomph on the open road, it is also quite capable to do off roading without any issues! You have no choice really...the AT is the way to go..
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: IceCreamMan on April 17, 2020, 04:47:58 pm
for what you say you will use the bike for the Transalp will be the better choice.

Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: subie on April 17, 2020, 04:58:32 pm
On my XT660 R I have ridden from Jeffreysbay to Pretoria a couple of times in one go.
1160km in 12 hours. But then I stop only for petrol and seldom get off the bike while they filling up .
Never ridden a TA 700 but I am a fan and for mostly tar the transalp must be a better bike
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: LouisXander on April 17, 2020, 05:02:56 pm
My BIL had one for many years, 660R that is.

Like a Honda Jazz, the perfect boring weapon that will never fail you. But that's what it was, boring.

The 700 ain't much more of a wild thing, but the twin will assist with smoother ride, the 19" with better road holding and the ability to go off road. Even though the 660R is really comfy, the TA is even more so.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: roxenz on April 17, 2020, 05:20:50 pm
I love Yammies, but for what you describe I also think you'll be happier with the TransAlp.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Exploratio on April 17, 2020, 05:57:36 pm
No experience of the XT. Went around the country twice on my TA. No problems, super reliable and very comfy. Only gripe would be that it needs a 6th gear. On the open tar that is noticable.
All said you wont be sorry with the TA.


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Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: GRIM on April 17, 2020, 06:05:44 pm
If you go with the transalp could you please send me the details of the xt?
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: skydiver on April 17, 2020, 07:14:22 pm
I had the 660R for a number of years and used it more on gravel than tar as it really needed a 6th gear for tar travelling
Rather get the Transalp IMHO
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: landieman on April 17, 2020, 07:21:59 pm
The twin is the better option for the longer tar stretches I agree,the 660 is more fun for the more technical stuff I think


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Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: plonker on April 17, 2020, 07:36:25 pm
Can I put 50c worth in. Honda definitely better for open road touring. You will get tired of the big single. In saying that my Dakar took me many comfortable miles.
However I would try opt for a lower milage unit especially as both same price. Be patient you will find one at right price.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Tyre kicker on April 17, 2020, 08:19:19 pm
Thanks for everyone's feedback thus far, it pretty much is what I expected most to say. :thumleft:
Having said that would they both do equally well as a run around to the shops and local usage around the house for when I am not on the open road so to speak or is the Transalp to bulky and cumbersome for that opposed to the XT?

Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: iamgigglz on April 17, 2020, 08:47:01 pm
I did 70k km on my Transalp - can highly recommend for your use case. It's varking heavy for a 700 but the weight sits low and is VERY maneuverable around town. Took me a while to get used to my useless-by-comparison 990 .
Test rode a 660 Tenere as a replacement to the Transalp and wasn't impressed.

Here's everything I can remember about the Honda:
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Tyre kicker on April 18, 2020, 10:02:18 am
I did 70k km on my Transalp - can highly recommend for your use case. It's varking heavy for a 700 but the weight sits low and is VERY maneuverable around town. Took me a while to get used to my useless-by-comparison 990 .
Test rode a 660 Tenere as a replacement to the Transalp and wasn't impressed.

Here's everything I can remember about the Honda:
  • Yes it's a twin, but not an even firing one like the KTM twins for example. It's almost a 700 single, but not quite. Still smoother than the 660.
  • If you're going to be munching miles on the highway then you'll want to get the 16 tooth front sprocket. The stock gearing is too short, you only have 5 gears and that motor ("700 single") doesn't like to rev high. Treat it like a thumper.
  • The 700 was released in 2008, but late 2010 they upgraded it slightly to have three piston calipers at the front and ABS as standard. The ABS is not switch-able, but I can testify that it works well in the dirt.
  • The progressive spring upgrade for the forks helped a lot for higher speed gravel but didn't do much to stop the nose diving under braking. Not a big deal.
  • The CAT on the 700 is placed REALLY badly - if you're going to be tackling rocks then you're going to want to cut it out ASAP.
  • The Givi crash bars are great, but the gear lever was a common casualty whenever I dropped mine.
  • The standard screen is useless if you're over 5'6". I'm 6 foot and I had to get the Givi touring screen. Best money I spent on that bike.
  • The service intervals are short and checking valve clearances on the 700 is a mission = sometimes expensive.

Excellent feedback
Thanks :thumleft:
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: MildlyWild on April 18, 2020, 02:13:59 pm
No experience of the XT. Went around the country twice on my TA. No problems, super reliable and very comfy. Only gripe would be that it needs a 6th gear. On the open tar that is noticable.
All said you wont be sorry with the TA.


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If you're not going to do serious slow offroad putting a spocket 1 tooth bigger in front will make a big difference to the revs at speed, and also increase top speed by 12-15km/h
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: TrailBlazer on April 18, 2020, 02:49:47 pm
A bit more info / feedback for you...

The 'Alp is a very underrated bike in my opinion. When I was shopping for a bike 11 years back, I was offered the 650 'Alp that I currently ride.

I wasn't impressed by the bulky looks, and had my eye on a KLR, but it was sold before I could get my bucks together. The then owner of the 'Alp "pestered" me on an ongoing basis to buy his, because he needed the money to buy a house (he was a pilot who worked with me, so I had no problems with the purchase.)

Eventually I gave in and went round to his place to ride it, and was pleasantly surprised. It had power, comfort, touring ability, and some pretty good off-)road (not plastic-type off-road) capabilities. I have pillioned my wife on two long (more than 3500km per trip) holiday trips, we have been into / out of Die Hel with her on the back. Climbing out of Die Hel we were in 1st for about 15 minutes until we got on top of the zig-zags, and after that no more problem. Baviaans was a doddle... the 'Alp hardly even felt it.

As you can see by the piccie, we were somewhat loaded. The only downfall with the 650 is economy, or lack therof. I average about 16km/l. The 700 gets around 20 - 21km/l, depending on how it's ridden.

My wife started her riding career on a Chinese 200, and I then bought her a KLE, which I hated. Swapped that eventually for a KLR, which she couldn't gel with... A 650 'Alp became available here, and I snapped it up. Best move I could have made... she smiled, and I got lucky  :P :imaposer:

I don't know where in Gauteng you stay... I'm in Benoni. If you would like to test the 650, feel free to drop me a PM, and you can come around and ride mine, or my wife's.

Oh... someone mentioned that his choice would be a bike with lower km's than the 30 000 on the 'Alp. Believe me, at 30 000km, it hasn't even started getting its baby-teeth  :) Chat to @Tommy Transalp  about how tough and reliable the 650's are...  :thumleft:

Good luck with whatever you decide.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Serfie on April 18, 2020, 04:10:57 pm
A bit more info / feedback for you...

The 'Alp is a very underrated bike in my opinion. When I was shopping for a bike 11 years back, I was offered the 650 'Alp that I currently ride.

I wasn't impressed by the bulky looks, and had my eye on a KLR, but it was sold before I could get my bucks together. The then owner of the 'Alp "pestered" me on an ongoing basis to buy his, because he needed the money to buy a house (he was a pilot who worked with me, so I had no problems with the purchase.)

Eventually I gave in and went round to his place to ride it, and was pleasantly surprised. It had power, comfort, touring ability, and some pretty good off-)road (not plastic-type off-road) capabilities. I have pillioned my wife on two long (more than 3500km per trip) holiday trips, we have been into / out of Die Hel with her on the back. Climbing out of Die Hel we were in 1st for about 15 minutes until we got on top of the zig-zags, and after that no more problem. Baviaans was a doddle... the 'Alp hardly even felt it.

As you can see by the piccie, we were somewhat loaded. The only downfall with the 650 is economy, or lack therof. I average about 16km/l. The 700 gets around 20 - 21km/l, depending on how it's ridden.

My wife started her riding career on a Chinese 200, and I then bought her a KLE, which I hated. Swapped that eventually for a KLR, which she couldn't gel with... A 650 'Alp became available here, and I snapped it up. Best move I could have made... she smiled, and I got lucky  :P :imaposer:

I don't know where in Gauteng you stay... I'm in Benoni. If you would like to test the 650, feel free to drop me a PM, and you can come around and ride mine, or my wife's.

Oh... someone mentioned that his choice would be a bike with lower km's than the 30 000 on the 'Alp. Believe me, at 30 000km, it hasn't even started getting its baby-teeth  :) Chat to @Tommy Transalp  about how tough and reliable the 650's are...  :thumleft:

Good luck with whatever you decide.


So true...about the T/A...I so regret selling my 2006 650 to another dawg...spyt kom altyd te laat!!  :(
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: LouisXander on April 18, 2020, 04:15:17 pm
Even if you do offroad, put 1 tooth bigger sprocket. It will drop your revs at top speed too.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Bwana on April 18, 2020, 05:57:53 pm
When I was a Honda Dealer Honda sent me a Transalp 700  to do out rides with and told me to get rid of my BMW which they found out about I was so disappointed as I didnt rate the bike at all. However I grew to love the bike what a great smooth linear engine extremely comfortable and more capable off road than you think. The thing I remember most was smoke breaks everyone would get off there bikes stretch there legs feel there arse and the two transalps me and one other use to just stay sitting on the bikes. A very underrated bike on the tar is were it comes into its own smooth predictable and will cruise at 160KMH.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Fenderbender on April 18, 2020, 06:33:43 pm
Mmm , only see this fred now. Transalp or 660R ......      660 R  all the way  :thumleft:   The Transapie is a nice bike for open gravel  roads, but you need a bike that can do everything without breaking a sweat .....
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Neo_za on April 19, 2020, 08:47:31 am
Voor jy jou geld mors.......

As jy eenkeer n jaar op n trip wil gaan gelaai met panniers ens koop die Transalp.

As jy n bike wil he vir alledaagse gebruik, wat enigiets kan doen en wat n lang trip n avontuur sal maak as jy wil rustig ry koop die Xt
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Tyre kicker on April 19, 2020, 02:16:01 pm
Voor jy jou geld mors.......

As jy eenkeer n jaar op n trip wil gaan gelaai met panniers ens koop die Transalp.

As jy n bike wil he vir alledaagse gebruik, wat enigiets kan doen en wat n lang trip n avontuur sal maak as jy wil rustig ry koop die Xt

Ek weet uit ondervinding wat daai XT's kan doen maar ek het regtig zero ondervinding met 'n Transalp nie en dit pla my.

Ek wil die fiets gereeld ry maar dit moet nie 'n probleem wees on vÍr te wil ry nie wat gewoonlik dan  naweke sal wees.

Die twee grootste vraŽ waarmee ek tans worstel is:
a)Gaan die Transalp  te groot en te veel wees vir my om hier rond te gebruik in plek van my voertuig?
b)Gaan die XT weer net te min wees om die langer toer  trips te doen omdat hy 'n single is en gaan die vibrasie my nie uiteindelik inhaal op daardie lang afstand trips nie?

Daar is ook 40 kg verskil in gewig tussen die twee fietse. :-\

Watter een is die beste vir altwee doeleindes is wat ek eintlik probeer bepaal?


 
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 19, 2020, 02:41:35 pm
Kan jy nie n XT660R te lene kry om n draai te gaan ry nie?

Ek ken nie die Honda nie, maar ek ken die xT660R redelik, en hy hou maklik n spoed van 130 heeldag op die ooppad.

Die Xt weeg droog 172kg, en die Honda 218.   Dit is n verskil van  amper 50 kilogram, moenie dat iemand jou vertel die Transalp is net so goed op grond nie, gewig se alles.

Die Transalp gaan ongetwyfeld gladder en ietwat sterker op teer voel.

Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: subie on April 19, 2020, 03:01:15 pm
Kan jy nie n XT660R te lene kry om n draai te gaan ry nie?

Ek ken nie die Honda nie, maar ek ken die xT660R redelik, en hy hou maklik n spoed van 130 heeldag op die ooppad.

Die Xt weeg droog 172kg, en die Honda 218.   Dit is n verskil van  amper 50 kilogram, moenie dat iemand jou vertel die Transalp is net so goed op grond nie, gewig se alles.

Die Transalp gaan ongetwyfeld gladder en ietwat sterker op teer voel.

Die man het gese hy wil meestal teerpad ry hoekom ek die transalp voorgestel het.Op grond  is die XT beslis die keuse.
As daar n stormwind van voor waai kan die XT heeldag seker 130km/h handhaaf. My stock standaard XT kon heelwat meer as dit handhaaf heeldag.
Op goeie grondpaaie moes ek die speedo gereeld dophou anders kruip hy oor 150km/h sonder dat ek dit agterkom op die langpad. Ek het altyd probeer om onder 140 te bly maak nie saak hoe mooi die grondpad was nie.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: subie on April 19, 2020, 03:04:14 pm
Voor jy jou geld mors.......

As jy eenkeer n jaar op n trip wil gaan gelaai met panniers ens koop die Transalp.

As jy n bike wil he vir alledaagse gebruik, wat enigiets kan doen en wat n lang trip n avontuur sal maak as jy wil rustig ry koop die Xt

Ek weet uit ondervinding wat daai XT's kan doen maar ek het regtig zero ondervinding met 'n Transalp nie en dit pla my.

Ek wil die fiets gereeld ry maar dit moet nie 'n probleem wees on vÍr te wil ry nie wat gewoonlik dan  naweke sal wees.

Die twee grootste vraŽ waarmee ek tans worstel is:
a)Gaan die Transalp  te groot en te veel wees vir my om hier rond te gebruik in plek van my voertuig?
b)Gaan die XT weer net te min wees om die langer toer  trips te doen omdat hy 'n single is en gaan die vibrasie my nie uiteindelik inhaal op daardie lang afstand trips nie?

Daar is ook 40 kg verskil in gewig tussen die twee fietse. :-\

Watter een is die beste vir altwee doeleindes is wat ek eintlik probeer bepaal?

Weet nie watse vibrasie jy van praat nie. XT is n moderne thumper en hy vibrate nie soos ou thumpers nie.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: Tyre kicker on April 19, 2020, 03:09:12 pm
Voor jy jou geld mors.......

As jy eenkeer n jaar op n trip wil gaan gelaai met panniers ens koop die Transalp.

As jy n bike wil he vir alledaagse gebruik, wat enigiets kan doen en wat n lang trip n avontuur sal maak as jy wil rustig ry koop die Xt

Ek weet uit ondervinding wat daai XT's kan doen maar ek het regtig zero ondervinding met 'n Transalp nie en dit pla my.

Ek wil die fiets gereeld ry maar dit moet nie 'n probleem wees on vÍr te wil ry nie wat gewoonlik dan  naweke sal wees.

Die twee grootste vraŽ waarmee ek tans worstel is:
a)Gaan die Transalp  te groot en te veel wees vir my om hier rond te gebruik in plek van my voertuig?
b)Gaan die XT weer net te min wees om die langer toer  trips te doen omdat hy 'n single is en gaan die vibrasie my nie uiteindelik inhaal op daardie lang afstand trips nie?

Daar is ook 40 kg verskil in gewig tussen die twee fietse. :-\

Watter een is die beste vir altwee doeleindes is wat ek eintlik probeer bepaal?

Weet nie watse vibrasie jy van praat nie. XT is n moderne thumper en hy vibrate nie soos ou thumpers nie.

Die vibrasie van die XT se single cylinder op spoed teenoor die van die V-twin Transalp.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: subie on April 19, 2020, 03:18:38 pm
Voor jy jou geld mors.......

As jy eenkeer n jaar op n trip wil gaan gelaai met panniers ens koop die Transalp.

As jy n bike wil he vir alledaagse gebruik, wat enigiets kan doen en wat n lang trip n avontuur sal maak as jy wil rustig ry koop die Xt

Ek weet uit ondervinding wat daai XT's kan doen maar ek het regtig zero ondervinding met 'n Transalp nie en dit pla my.

Ek wil die fiets gereeld ry maar dit moet nie 'n probleem wees on vÍr te wil ry nie wat gewoonlik dan  naweke sal wees.

Die twee grootste vraŽ waarmee ek tans worstel is:
a)Gaan die Transalp  te groot en te veel wees vir my om hier rond te gebruik in plek van my voertuig?
b)Gaan die XT weer net te min wees om die langer toer  trips te doen omdat hy 'n single is en gaan die vibrasie my nie uiteindelik inhaal op daardie lang afstand trips nie?

Daar is ook 40 kg verskil in gewig tussen die twee fietse. :-\

Watter een is die beste vir altwee doeleindes is wat ek eintlik probeer bepaal?

Weet nie watse vibrasie jy van praat nie. XT is n moderne thumper en hy vibrate nie soos ou thumpers nie.

Die vibrasie van die XT se single cylinder op spoed teenoor die van die V-twin Transalp.

Tye het verander. Hoor die windbuffeting op 140 is deesdae n issue vir die manne en moet hulle n screen het. Nou die minimale vibrasie van n XT wat jy op 140km/h
lekker in jou truspieels nog kan kyk. Verseker is die transalp smoother . Vibrasie is relatief seker maar ek sou moes probeer oplet het om die vibrasie te voel op my XT660R.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: BuRP on April 19, 2020, 07:42:38 pm
a)Gaan die Transalp  te groot en te veel wees vir my om hier rond te gebruik in plek van my voertuig?
b)Gaan die XT weer net te min wees om die langer toer  trips te doen omdat hy 'n single is en gaan die vibrasie my nie uiteindelik inhaal op daardie lang afstand trips nie?

a) Glad nie, dis n kleinerige fiets eintlik. Topbox sal lekker wees om te he vir goeters.
b) Op teer? Hang as van jou toleransie, maar ek's eintlik seker n Transalp sal dit baie lekkerder/beterder doen.
En jy kan die ding steeds op grond ry.
Maar, as jy amper alles op grond wil gaan doen dan kry die XT!

Dis wat ek sou doen.... maar ek like nie teveel van teer nie  ;)
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: blauth on April 19, 2020, 09:18:25 pm
Having owned two TA700's and an XT660R, based on your description, the TA would be the better option. I preferred my first TA700 to the second. For some reason, the second just didn't jell.

Personally, I wasn't a fan of my XT. It had snatchy FI in traffic, rear suspension was super kak.....come to think of it, so was the front. Long distance, ironing board seat....need I say more in this regards. Tenere was a way better bike.

Having said all this, neither of my TA700's were as good as my TA650. That was a bike like an old pair of slippers.

All the best with your decision.
Title: Re: Honda Transalp700 or Yamaha XT660R?
Post by: draf-stap on April 21, 2020, 12:02:19 pm
I owned a xt660r and a friend of mine has the TA650, I was seriously impressed with off-road ability of TA, many people consider them as being the perfect around the world bike.


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