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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: Odd Dog on June 25, 2020, 11:38:03 am

Title: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Odd Dog on June 25, 2020, 11:38:03 am
Not bad looking at all.

https://bikereview.com.au/review-2020-royal-enfield-himalayan/
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 25, 2020, 11:58:43 am
Check out the Youtube channel "Itchy boots"

Will give you a lot of respect for that bike.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: alphadog on June 25, 2020, 12:27:45 pm
hasnt changed at all from the last few years, european biking fraternity isnt fazed by the less than 25hp power, and sell quite well, itchy boots has just about covered the world on hers and india of course has been using them. what surprised me a few years back is when i saw the guys on the side of the road strip the steering head bearings, just a few balls like the old bicycles. carry spare balls and grease and away you go.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: sidetrack on June 25, 2020, 01:02:16 pm
Or you can buy a CRF250L with the same HP but lot less weight and you wont need to change steering neck bearings next tot he road  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Odd Dog on June 25, 2020, 01:03:32 pm
hasnt changed at all from the last few years, european biking fraternity isnt fazed by the less than 25hp power, and sell quite well, itchy boots has just about covered the world on hers and india of course has been using them. what surprised me a few years back is when i saw the guys on the side of the road strip the steering head bearings, just a few balls like the old bicycles. carry spare balls and grease and away you go.

 :thumleft: Thats whats needed on an adventure bike, simple to repair when out in deserted areas and this looks like it is.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 25, 2020, 01:04:37 pm
Or you can buy a CRF250L with the same HP but lot less weight and you wont need to change steering neck bearings next tot he road  :biggrin:

Or you can buy a bus ticket for R7.50 and then dont have to worry about buying protective kit  :peepwall:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Gérrard on June 25, 2020, 01:19:43 pm
I Like it. Like the  rugged outdoor look
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Grunder on June 25, 2020, 01:28:52 pm
Or you can buy a CRF250L with the same HP but lot less weight and you wont need to change steering neck bearings next tot he road  :biggrin:

Or you can buy a bus ticket for R7.50 and then dont have to worry about buying protective kit  :peepwall:

Or you can stay at home and save a trip to the ticket office  :snorting:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Neo_za on June 25, 2020, 01:47:25 pm
I like the old school, underpowered but seemingly rugged thing
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Bliknęrs on June 25, 2020, 01:49:24 pm
Also like it. Wonder what the prices will be.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 25, 2020, 01:58:18 pm
I dont think it will come to South Africa

Royal Enfield has moved from dealer to dealer - they never really seem to get up and running.

The have not brought in any Royal Enfields in years.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Roadhawg on June 25, 2020, 01:59:29 pm
I dont think it will come to South Africa

Royal Enfield has moved from dealer to dealer - they never really seem to get up and running.

The have not brought in any Royal Enfields in years.

I wonder why though?  The timing is right now to give Triumph a proper kicking with the Interceptor.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 25, 2020, 02:03:10 pm
The South African bike market is very small.

Royal Enfield is more like a 2nd or 3rd bike - so that market is even smaller.

They bring in bikes and sales are good for a couple of months but then that pool becomes saturated and slowly they go under.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Grunder on June 25, 2020, 02:08:22 pm
The South African bike market is very small.

Royal Enfield is more like a 2nd or 3rd bike - so that market is even smaller.

They bring in bikes and sales are good for a couple of months but then that pool becomes saturated and slowly they go under.

Pity.  They look like a good "do anything with it" choice bike
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on June 25, 2020, 02:53:20 pm
I like it would be nice if it was a 500 with a little more power and easier cruising at 110.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Roadhawg on June 25, 2020, 02:54:36 pm
The South African bike market is very small.

Royal Enfield is more like a 2nd or 3rd bike - so that market is even smaller.

They bring in bikes and sales are good for a couple of months but then that pool becomes saturated and slowly they go under.

Yeah but they could undercut the Boneville range MASSIVELY.  The Bonnies are so overpriced for what you get, and have always traded on the "British heritage" thing....But they're all built in Thailand. 

An Enfield, which offers the exact same thing at a fraction of the cost would steal a lot of that market.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on June 25, 2020, 03:05:37 pm
The South African bike market is very small.

Royal Enfield is more like a 2nd or 3rd bike - so that market is even smaller.

They bring in bikes and sales are good for a couple of months but then that pool becomes saturated and slowly they go under.

Yeah but they could undercut the Boneville range MASSIVELY.  The Bonnies are so overpriced for what you get, and have always traded on the "British heritage" thing....But they're all built in Thailand. 

An Enfield, which offers the exact same thing at a fraction of the cost would steal a lot of that market.

Not sure how many Bonnies you see in the big smoke but here in Slaapstad I can count the ones I have seen on one hand.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Roadhawg on June 25, 2020, 04:43:24 pm
The South African bike market is very small.

Royal Enfield is more like a 2nd or 3rd bike - so that market is even smaller.

They bring in bikes and sales are good for a couple of months but then that pool becomes saturated and slowly they go under.

Yeah but they could undercut the Boneville range MASSIVELY.  The Bonnies are so overpriced for what you get, and have always traded on the "British heritage" thing....But they're all built in Thailand. 

An Enfield, which offers the exact same thing at a fraction of the cost would steal a lot of that market.

Not sure how many Bonnies you see in the big smoke but here in Slaapstad I can count the ones I have seen on one hand.

Ya I guess I do ride with that demographic a lot so maybe my view is skewed.

I really want one, but I cannot bring myself to spend what they want for one. For something with what, 60hp and 200+kg?    I mean I love the idea of an "everything" bike, and even on basic adventure trips we have guys with Bonnevilles and street scramblers doing fine (In fact doing Sani in bad shape last year, the first guy up was on a stock standard bonneville....with a bunch of big ADV bikes, myself including, taking multiple falls on the way up.....Being able to just stop anywhere and put both feet down is priceless sometimes :biggrin:)

But yeh....the pricing....Aish. An Interceptor sounds really good for much less money.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Greeny on June 25, 2020, 05:14:17 pm
Buy second-hand, big bargains around. I bought a 2006 carbed Scrambler last week, 6000k's on the clock, with extras for 54k, It's basically a brand new bike. Probably won't ever buy new again. 
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 25, 2020, 05:18:23 pm
Or you can buy a CRF250L with the same HP but lot less weight and you wont need to change steering neck bearings next tot he road  :biggrin:

Or you can buy a bus ticket for R7.50 and then dont have to worry about buying protective kit  :peepwall:

I was waiting for someone to drag the GS1250 into this thread. ;)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: hendrikvanzyl6 on July 02, 2020, 04:38:37 pm
Or you can buy a CRF250L with the same HP but lot less weight and you wont need to change steering neck bearings next tot he road  :biggrin:



This video supports your viewpoint, and a good viewpoint it is
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 02, 2020, 08:10:32 pm
To be honest, the video above shows no real "abuse" of the bikes, and even the cheapest Chinese things may survive one such trip.

Do a 20 000km review of trips and the Enfield may disappoint.

The brand struggles to establish itself anywhere outside India, and this is despite the fact that it is way cheaper than the opposition.

Reasons are varied, but mostly very old technology, that was not so clever to begin with, and quality issues.

It does seem to share a weak point with the Dakar 650, in it's steering head bearings.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: hendrikvanzyl6 on July 03, 2020, 09:10:19 am
To be honest, the video above shows no real "abuse" of the bikes, and even the cheapest Chinese things may survive one such trip.

Do a 20 000km review of trips and the Enfield may disappoint.

The brand struggles to establish itself anywhere outside India, and this is despite the fact that it is way cheaper than the opposition.

Reasons are varied, but mostly very old technology, that was not so clever to begin with, and quality issues.

It does seem to share a weak point with the Dakar 650, in it's steering head bearings.

Agreed, but watch the last 3 minutes, they say you can buy the Honda and it will do the job much better, their camera man was on a Honda, he had to wait for them a lot. That is ahy I replied to the Honda comment.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: petri oosthuizen on July 03, 2020, 09:26:51 am
Daai Enfield is 'n BAIE cool bike, maar ek sal definitief ook eerder die Honda Rally koop teen R 75000 (nou op special).
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: BuRP on July 03, 2020, 09:40:15 am
Reasons are varied

I'll give you one, one only, however the main most important primary one: they are staggeringly lethargic performers!
I rented a 500cc in India with 96000km's on the clock, no typo, and yeah, it ran fine - but "fine" pertains to a RE only!
It saw 100kph fairly easy but without even a hint or excitement, and when you kept hanging on the stretched cable it eventually would do an indicated 120kph - that's a 500cc RE for you!

But, notwithstanding this it still was the biggest capacity bike we ever saw, plus it being a 500 proved to command respect from the local population.... as most others were 350cc bikes, we saw only a handful of other 500's there!
In India it is King and Emperor and it rules, make no mistake.... but anywhere else it is a lethargic wheezing pos that's outrun by a 125cc unless you carry the kitchen sink plus granny on the back.
RE's will do megamileage, sure, but you will take eons to do them - which for most isn't why they ride motorbikes, a little modern bike runs circles around them whilst they puff at their top speed!

So I dislike them?
Nah, they have their place, but that's mainly in India I reckon  :P
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: hendrikvanzyl6 on July 03, 2020, 10:49:32 am
Reasons are varied

I'll give you one, one only, however the main most important primary one: they are staggeringly lethargic performers!
I rented a 500cc in India with 96000km's on the clock, no typo, and yeah, it ran fine - but "fine" pertains to a RE only!
It saw 100kph fairly easy but without even a hint or excitement, and when you kept hanging on the stretched cable it eventually would do an indicated 120kph - that's a 500cc RE for you!

But, notwithstanding this it still was the biggest capacity bike we ever saw, plus it being a 500 proved to command respect from the local population.... as most others were 350cc bikes, we saw only a handful of other 500's there!
In India it is King and Emperor and it rules, make no mistake.... but anywhere else it is a lethargic wheezing pos that's outrun by a 125cc unless you carry the kitchen sink plus granny on the back.
RE's will do megamileage, sure, but you will take eons to do them - which for most isn't why they ride motorbikes, a little modern bike runs circles around them whilst they puff at their top speed!

So I dislike them?
Nah, they have their place, but that's mainly in India I reckon  :P

"Nah, they have their place, but that's mainly in India I reckon"
That is the best and most true comment! Each to their own, circumstances vary.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Tiger8 on July 03, 2020, 11:43:25 am
I thought they only come in a 411cc capacity at this time, been a lot of speculation on when/if a 650cc model will make an appearance.

The Himalayan is not a fast bike and very little in the way of performance, BUT, it does what the label says and willingly. I have been following Itchy Boot's YT channel and the little pony hasn't let her down, in fact it just keeps going. It may not be an exciting bike, but it has done what is asked of it.

Would I buy one? I don't know to be honest. Would I buy a 250 Rally?......I don't really fit on the smaller bikes, so I would personally stick to a 650 or bigger because my "Petite" frame would struggle to fit on the smaller bikes.
Would I ride one on a trip? I wouldn't refuse a demo, just to see what they run like for myself.

I think that when you buy a bike like the RE Himalayan, you are the type of person who doesn't mind the "Going Nowhere Slowly" vibe, much like a Landy or Wrangler owner, you know you won't break any speed records, but the ride itself is the Adventure, not just the destination.  ;)

My 2c  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: RobC on July 03, 2020, 11:46:31 am
I would not turn it down as a present... :thumleft:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: the_BOBNOB on July 03, 2020, 12:08:54 pm
The RE 500 Bullet has stopped production.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 03, 2020, 03:58:54 pm
The RE 500 Bullet has stopped production.

I did not even know. :ricky:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: jaybiker on July 03, 2020, 06:22:27 pm
I had a 500cc Royal Enfield once. The engine, although it looked just like the final production version, had a cast iron cylinder head. It wasn't used by me on the road, but was bought for 30 shillings to use around the fields and lanes where it was virtually unusable having no suspension and totally smooth tyres.

I cannibalised the carburettor from it to make my 200cc Triumph go faster  :ricky: and gave the rest away because my dad told me to get the bloody thing out of his yard.

Never had another Enfield, but they were always a part of my motorcycling experience since 1961, and for that reason I'd like to have one in my stable today.

I mean of course that huge fantasy stable which I could never have had anyway!  :lol8:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Odd Dog on July 04, 2020, 07:51:44 pm
The RE 500 Bullet has stopped production.

I did not even know. :ricky:

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: Vaufi on September 19, 2020, 12:54:30 pm
To be honest, the video above shows no real "abuse" of the bikes, and even the cheapest Chinese things may survive one such trip.

Do a 20 000km review of trips and the Enfield may disappoint.

The brand struggles to establish itself anywhere outside India, and this is despite the fact that it is way cheaper than the opposition.

Reasons are varied, but mostly very old technology, that was not so clever to begin with, and quality issues.

It does seem to share a weak point with the Dakar 650, in it's steering head bearings.

You can't compared the Himalayan to the Bullet. It is a newly developed bike, so is the engine. Here is an interesting report by an owner: https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/which-bike/royal-enfield-himalayan-96018-4#post614351
I reckon it's more comfortable than the little Honda, and should be just fine for travellers. As long as you aren't in a hurry  :P
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: emperor zog on September 19, 2020, 09:19:12 pm
a couple of years ago a friend and I rode the himalayas of India for 5 weeks on just released R E Himalayans ( which I did report on here on Wilddog). Very capable bikes, strong and simple with good suspension. Yes underpowered but perfect for Indian conditions particularly in the Himalayas. Would not suit SA riding conditions.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 20, 2020, 07:51:26 am
I would not turn it down as a present... :thumleft:

You know people that would give you that as a present?? :pot:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield Himalayan
Post by: petri oosthuizen on September 20, 2020, 07:55:31 pm
Hmmmm..........nice bike I guess.

But a new Honda 250 Rally - on special with all extras = sells for something like R 74000 now at Honda Bloem.

Ek weet nie wat die outjie kos nie, maar ek dink dis maar naby aan daai prys.

Ek persoonlik sal eerder na die Honda kyk. My Opinion.