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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: blitzer on July 10, 2020, 11:30:58 am

Title: Chain Oil ?
Post by: blitzer on July 10, 2020, 11:30:58 am
My question is, (might be a silly one) but be gentle please... i'm still learning.. #-o

Does the absolute middle of the chain have to have some of the lubricant on or does it need to be completely dry ?

After some research i found many people using 30w/40 gear oil on the chain, will it be ok on the 125 ?
I am very well aware that there might be people that think this is really stupid,

But i have done so and it seems to be much better than the glue that was on there previously.

After i lubed up my chain with the gear oil, i wiped off the sides and drove 10km. Man what a difference compared to the glue that was on there before ! (getting that glue off was torture that cannot be described, but got most of it off) And the new gear oil seemed to have loosened up more of that gunk that was left after the clean)

So the chain is now as clean as it ever was during its life.

Just i'm not 100% sure does those rings (the silver rings in the middle have to have some lube on or be completely dry ?) (those are the rollers yes ?)

Thinking about it, it would be nice for them to have some lube on, but that could attract dirt but if its just a little layer it would actually be good or not ?

Or total metal on metal if i dry them completely ? This just doesn't feel right, but it might be ?
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: LouisXander on July 10, 2020, 11:35:31 am
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Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Challa on July 10, 2020, 11:38:31 am
Dis veliger om oor kerk en politiek te praat as olie
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on July 10, 2020, 12:07:29 pm
WD40..... Wipe chain clean with a cloth, and spray WD40. This cleans and lubricates.
Iv'e used this on the Transalp and get between 25k and 32k on a chain.

my 2c. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Andre01 on July 10, 2020, 01:18:43 pm
When I got my bike I started to use the fancy lube spray that the bike shops sell to you. I lubed my chain plus minus every 600km. The chain and sprockets only lasted ±15 000km.

After two sets of sprockets/chain I then started with WD40/Q20/Tool-in-a-can. I use this to clean my chain when it become dirty. I then ride around the block, wipe off the WD40 and then apply a thin layer of gear oil.  I re-apply the gear oil when my chain rollers becomes shiny and does not leave a black mark on my thumb. On a trip I will carry a small can of "spray" lube only because it is so easy to apply.

My current set of chain/sprockets is on 25 000km and they will do another 5-10k km. I think the key is not what lube/oil you use, but to ride with a "cleanish" chain and avoid the "grinding paste" that tends to form on your chain when dirty. 
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: limacon on July 10, 2020, 01:38:31 pm
Dis veliger om oor kerk en politiek te praat as olie

 :laughing4:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: zacapa on July 10, 2020, 04:33:46 pm
chainsaw oil - super cheap and loves to cling on...
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: SmuGS on July 10, 2020, 05:16:14 pm
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: blitzer on July 11, 2020, 10:24:06 am
Dis veliger om oor kerk en politiek te praat as olie
:lol8:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: blitzer on July 11, 2020, 10:24:52 am
WD40..... Wipe chain clean with a cloth, and spray WD40. This cleans and lubricates.
Iv'e used this on the Transalp and get between 25k and 32k on a chain.

my 2c. :thumleft:
wow !
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: blitzer on July 11, 2020, 10:26:11 am
When I got my bike I started to use the fancy lube spray that the bike shops sell to you. I lubed my chain plus minus every 600km. The chain and sprockets only lasted ±15 000km.

After two sets of sprockets/chain I then started with WD40/Q20/Tool-in-a-can. I use this to clean my chain when it become dirty. I then ride around the block, wipe off the WD40 and then apply a thin layer of gear oil.  I re-apply the gear oil when my chain rollers becomes shiny and does not leave a black mark on my thumb. On a trip I will carry a small can of "spray" lube only because it is so easy to apply.

My current set of chain/sprockets is on 25 000km and they will do another 5-10k km. I think the key is not what lube/oil you use, but to ride with a "cleanish" chain and avoid the "grinding paste" that tends to form on your chain when dirty.
Thank you Sir, this is the route i intend on going, i already have gear oil on my chain.
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: blitzer on July 11, 2020, 10:29:53 am

Indeed i have watched this youtube a few times over and it convinced me, however someone put a slight dent in my confidence when he said that the guy in that youtube test did not put the chains through the vigorous test of riding at high speed and he argues that the chain gets so hot that gear oil might not be able to take the temperatures of a racing bike at high speeds.

Makes sense, but i'm going to take my chances with gear oil, seeming that people on here get 25k plus on their drivetrains with it ! I added 30w40 on mine.
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Wayne on July 11, 2020, 02:02:08 pm
Get a bike with a shaft drive.

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Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: chopperpilot on July 11, 2020, 03:04:21 pm
Chain quality, even same make but different model o-ring chains, differ, resulting in different longevity.

Suzuki DRs were an example, coming out of the factory with a crap DID o-ring chain that didn't last long. DRs are quality bikes in general.

So be careful to make a direct comparison, unless you have the exact same make and model chain.

Riding style makes a big influence. I rode my first 990 like a hooligan. The 2nd and current one I'm a bit more subdued. Tyres last longer. I'm still on my first chain, as the kms are low.

I use Bel Ray white chain wax.

Doesn't fling off, I dont have to clean chain and sprockets, and it attracts little dust to grind the chain.

Of the products mentioned above, is there one that provides good lubricantion and is not flung off onto the rest of the bike?

Chainsaw oil maybe?

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Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2020, 06:48:10 pm
It has been discussed often, that on the small capacity 4strokes, a high viscosity oil on the chain causes chain to sprocket stiction, and the resultant clutch slipping on pullling away

could be bad for the plates, gears and clutch cable.
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Cracker on July 11, 2020, 07:55:57 pm
It will be catastrophic on a high power 125 .............................. best you buy some good walking shoes.

Might cost a bit more than the 125 but it will be money well spent.

And will definitely get you places far quicker than a Honda.
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 11, 2020, 08:38:40 pm
It will be catastrophic on a high power 125 .............................. best you buy some good walking shoes.

Might cost a bit more than the 125 but it will be money well spent.

And will definitely get you places far quicker than a Honda.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Erlin on July 12, 2020, 08:42:23 am

Indeed i have watched this youtube a few times over and it convinced me, however someone put a slight dent in my confidence when he said that the guy in that youtube test did not put the chains through the vigorous test of riding at high speed and he argues that the chain gets so hot that gear oil might not be able to take the temperatures of a racing bike at high speeds.

Makes sense, but i'm going to take my chances with gear oil, seeming that people on here get 25k plus on their drivetrains with it ! I added 30w40 on mine.

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:What racing and high spped can you do on a Xr200 :peepwall: :pot: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: BuRP on July 13, 2020, 12:44:41 pm
It has been discussed often, that on the small capacity 4strokes, a high viscosity oil on the chain causes chain to sprocket stiction, and the resultant clutch slipping on pullling away

could be bad for the plates, gears and clutch cable.

I hate to admit it Dan but you're right, that old story again..... almost forgot about that, don't have a 125 for eons anymore now.
Wheelying also was a problem, but then again maybe I was, after all I'm old enough now these days.
But, if so the he can perhaps make coasters out of his old clutchplates, always looks nice on a bar and often starts lekker conversations!
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Roxtar on July 13, 2020, 01:08:20 pm
I seem to recall Belray did not fare to well in that F9 comparison..... my same opinion and experience btw...

I have done comparative tests for myself over the years and found regular lube (every 500km) and the occasional lube (only when I wash/.clean the bike around every 1700km equating to once a month on the daily commute) yielded very similar results in chain life....
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Gérrard on July 14, 2020, 10:41:26 am
WD40..... Wipe chain clean with a cloth, and spray WD40. This cleans and lubricates.
Iv'e used this on the Transalp and get between 25k and 32k on a chain.

my 2c. :thumleft:
wow !
:thumleft:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: subie on July 14, 2020, 11:06:50 am
I do not like shiny and dry rollers and sprocket teeth. Always used to have some oil spray with me on long trips.
Not sure it made a difference in chain and sprocket longevity but it made me feel better  :ricky:

Many moons ago before O and X ring chains entered my life I had this chain ritual every month.
I had a big coffee tin (tins were stronger back then) filled up 3/4 with thick gear oil. Into this tin my chain will go and then
this lot went into the oven and heated up. When hot removed and left to cool overnight.
The theory was any air and moisture will expand when hot and as this lot cools the oil will be sucked into the pins and rollers.
Did it work ? Dont know but it made me feel better and my bikes loved the attention :imaposer:
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on July 14, 2020, 03:58:30 pm
I do not like shiny and dry rollers and sprocket teeth. Always used to have some oil spray with me on long trips.
Not sure it made a difference in chain and sprocket longevity but it made me feel better  :ricky:

Many moons ago before O and X ring chains entered my life I had this chain ritual every month.
I had a big coffee tin (tins were stronger back then) filled up 3/4 with thick gear oil. Into this tin my chain will go and then
this lot went into the oven and heated up. When hot removed and left to cool overnight.
The theory was any air and moisture will expand when hot and as this lot cools the oil will be sucked into the pins and rollers.
Did it work ? Dont know but it made me feel better and my bikes loved the attention :imaposer:

You must surely reme ber the old Duckhams "koekblikke" filled with grease, which you just lay the chain on top of the grease, warm it all on a stoveplate, and the chain sinks into the grease.

Just always had to remember to tie a piece of wire to the chain to pull it out while hot, so excess grease can run off.
Title: Re: Chain Oil ?
Post by: Sabre on July 14, 2020, 06:34:43 pm
I do not like shiny and dry rollers and sprocket teeth. Always used to have some oil spray with me on long trips.
Not sure it made a difference in chain and sprocket longevity but it made me feel better  :ricky:

Many moons ago before O and X ring chains entered my life I had this chain ritual every month.
I had a big coffee tin (tins were stronger back then) filled up 3/4 with thick gear oil. Into this tin my chain will go and then
this lot went into the oven and heated up. When hot removed and left to cool overnight.
The theory was any air and moisture will expand when hot and as this lot cools the oil will be sucked into the pins and rollers.
Did it work ? Dont know but it made me feel better and my bikes loved the attention :imaposer:

You must surely reme ber the old Duckhams "koekblikke" filled with grease, which you just lay the chain on top of the grease, warm it all on a stoveplate, and the chain sinks into the grease.

Just always had to remember to tie a piece of wire to the chain to pull it out while hot, so excess grease can run off.

I added a tin of Wynns engine treatment to the Duckhams grease, because of it's advertised wear reduction properties. Can't remember figures, but I got decent mileage out of my chains