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Technical Section => Make / Model Specific Discussions => Suzuki DR & DRZ => Topic started by: Bliknêrs on November 20, 2008, 04:00:28 pm

Title: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on November 20, 2008, 04:00:28 pm
To thank my brilliant DR for the km's of great riding it's given me, I have compiled the following list for people looking for DR information.
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Post a pic of your DR Here: http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=27400.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=27400.0)

Workshop manual is no longer here :
History of the DR : http://suzukicycles.org/DR-series/DR650.shtml (http://suzukicycles.org/DR-series/DR650.shtml)
Motorcycle USA shootout is here http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=7039&Page=1 (http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=7039&Page=1)
Bigger tanks. Pics of IMS 4.9 gallon tank (thats about 19 L), Clarke 16L, Aqualine 25L, and some monster tank that holds 38L  from www.off-the-road.de (http://www.off-the-road.de) : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20891.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20891.0)
DR650 Wiki : http://dr650.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page (http://dr650.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)

Wilddog threads:
LuckyStrikers bottomless thread (14 plus pages of living with and pimping a DR) : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=11256.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=11256.0)
LuckyStrikers Report and pimp guide : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=16198.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=16198.0)
WD discussion on above (where I got the link) is here : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23383.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23383.0)
One year on a DR 650 SE by LeCap : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23390.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=23390.0)
How to make a Tooltube by WanaBee : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22364.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=22364.0)
ClrScr compiled this list of DR resources in the "Bashplate" thread : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20729.msg350043#msg350043 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20729.msg350043#msg350043)
How to fit a GSXR-1000 tailpipe to a DR650SE : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20385.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20385.0)
IceCreamman wasn't happy with his new bikes gearbox : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20353.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20353.0)
One day ClrScr's DR refused to be put in the garage, it was the clutch engagement switch : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=18071.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=18071.0)
Some general info and website links : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=18946.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=18946.0)
DR servicing and getting the magneto cover off : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15367.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15367.0)
Lowering a DR : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=17296.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=17296.0)
Whats wrong with a DR650 thread : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10207.20 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=10207.20)
Power/torque discussion : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15988.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15988.0)
DR650 gear selection trouble : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=13334.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=13334.0)
What oils to use : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15173.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=15173.0)
Adjusting the steering head bearings : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg267470#msg267470 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=16894.msg267470#msg267470)
Yoshi Gixxer 1000 end can on a DR (with pics) : http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20385.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=20385.0)

Thumpertalk Threads:
Thumpertalk's DR dedicated sub-forum : http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41)
DR650 FAQ's : http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705043 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705043)
Tyre comparison (Trailwings v KT966) : http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518340 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=518340)

Advriders DR thread : http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295)

Enthusiasts:
American DR rider modifiaction list : http://mistyoak.org/dr650/dr650-index.html (http://mistyoak.org/dr650/dr650-index.html)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on November 20, 2008, 04:12:52 pm
u da man ...thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on November 21, 2008, 08:24:57 am
You mentioned my one year DR650SE thread twice ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 21, 2008, 09:51:56 am
Great thread  :thumleft:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on November 21, 2008, 12:48:57 pm
You mentioned my one year DR650SE thread twice ;D
Not anymore, thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 21, 2008, 07:05:32 pm
Nice one dr guys!

Lecap, Blikners et al:

What special tools should I order from zook for self service/breakdowns? Gear pullers etc??

BTW don't forget the advriders (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295)
and thumpertalk ( http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41)   threads!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on November 21, 2008, 08:07:53 pm
Great thanks jenks. I have added them.
LaCap is the tech man I will make my name gat if I start dishing out advice but I have done full services including valve clearance adjustment with the basic tools I have.
I've had no breakdowns but have spare cables, tyre levers, patches, a spare 4mm tube, master links etc that I take with me on longer trips together with the duct tape and pratley putty!

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on November 25, 2008, 08:40:57 am
Nice one dr guys!

Lecap, Blikners et al:

What special tools should I order from zook for self service/breakdowns? Gear pullers etc??

BTW don't forget the advriders (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295)
and thumpertalk ( http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41)   threads!


Gear pullers ???

Besides the obvious spanners and sockets you should have the little Suzuki jobbie to hold the tappet screws. You can substitute a pair of nose pliers but the Suzuki tool is cheap and packs small. And a feeler gauge. That's it. (For very long trips or DIY servicing only)
Can't really help with stuff to take for breakdowns. Never broke down ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 25, 2008, 09:51:39 am
Nice one dr guys!

Lecap, Blikners et al:

What special tools should I order from zook for self service/breakdowns? Gear pullers etc??

BTW don't forget the advriders (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295)
and thumpertalk ( http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41)   threads!


Gear pullers ???

Sorry Lecap, I'm being a twatwaffle.  :lamer:

When I say breakdown, I mean stripping. I bought the good ol dr because I want to be able to do all the mechanical myself - including pulling the clutch basket and tranny refurb when she gets old. Apparently specialist tools required for engine stripping. I was just wondering what special tools I should order for that type of work. I want to get the stuff before Zook updates the dr.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on November 25, 2008, 11:14:08 am
Just curious - have you heard rumours about Suzuki updating the DR?
If so I hope they don't mess with it to much, or make it look like Toby's "my first bike" toys!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 25, 2008, 01:23:26 pm
Just curious - have you heard rumours about Suzuki updating the DR?
If so I hope they don't mess with it to much, or make it look like Toby's "my first bike" toys!


I really hope they leave this bike alone!!

There was some chatter a few days ago on advrider's thread that Zook had wanted to upgrade the dr before sales went through the roof about two years ago.  Just idle web speculation, nothing more!

Got a feeling value for money and capable bikes were back in vogue.

If Zook know what's good for them they'll leave the dr for us to upgrade and they could rather release a new model that takes-on the jerry f800gs and ktm690.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 26, 2008, 05:47:34 pm
You will ride a long time before needing pullers. Most likely clutch plates at around 60 000 km but they just slip out after unbolting the outside pressure plate. If it does not leak oil on the case or need a big end the bike should go a lifetime without splitting cases. I don't own a 650 but as with the 400 change oil regulary, your bike will thank you :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 26, 2008, 05:57:09 pm
You will ride a long time before needing pullers. Most likely clutch plates at around 60 000 km but they just slip out after unbolting the outside pressure plate. If it does not leak oil on the case or need a big end the bike should go a lifetime without splitting cases. I don't own a 650 but as with the 400 change oil regulary, your bike will thank you :)

Yeah. But you never know - something could blow. Nice stuff to have just in case.

Re oil changes. I give her a new drink every 1000ks. She purrs like a kitten!! Stunning bike.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on November 27, 2008, 08:04:19 am
Hey Jenks , when u reqady to pull the trigger at procycle let me knw, maybe we can do a group buy an save some dinero
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 27, 2008, 08:13:48 am
Hey Jenks , when u reqady to pull the trigger at procycle let me knw, maybe we can do a group buy an save some dinero

will do. It'll only be early/mid next year. OK by you??

I want the pumper carb, emulators, maybe front fender, rack ... Eish the list goes on! Could cost 20K  :eek7: Depends on me selling my second house in April. Will let you know.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on November 27, 2008, 08:22:24 am
Hey Jenks , when u reqady to pull the trigger at procycle let me knw, maybe we can do a group buy an save some dinero

will do. It'll only be early/mid next year. OK by you??

I want the pumper carb, emulators, maybe front fender, rack ... Eish the list goes on! Could cost 20K  :eek7: Depends on me selling my second house in April. Will let you know.

sweet , no worries. i want some basic stuff, bashplate and the like.... i aint got that kinda dinero but would like that carb...it sure is sweet
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on December 05, 2008, 09:35:33 am
getting a set of knobblies and end cannister next ....

jenks, when u thinking of fabricating that bash plate ...  where in jhb are you?


(btw i am gruebane at advrider)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 05, 2008, 11:26:00 am
getting a set of knobblies and end cannister next ....

jenks, when u thinking of fabricating that bash plate ...  where in jhb are you?


(btw i am gruebane at advrider)

Yeah, worked that out ;)

I'm in Westdene, Jozi. You're in Randburg, if I remember correctly. I'm pm-ing you my cell number.

I'll give the BP a go this weekend. Always takes twice as long as one thinks to do this kinda stuff. I need to buy a heat gun for when I bend that steel.

BTW - Lecap et al - do I risk making the mild steel brittle by heating??

Gracias

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on December 05, 2008, 11:28:46 am
getting a set of knobblies and end cannister next ....

jenks, when u thinking of fabricating that bash plate ...  where in jhb are you?


(btw i am gruebane at advrider)

Yeah, worked that out ;)

I'm in Westdene, Jozi. You're in Randburg, if I remember correctly. I'm pm-ing you my cell number.

I'll give the BP a go this weekend. Always takes twice as long as one thinks to do this kinda stuff. I need to buy a heat gun for when I bend that steel.

BTW - Lecap et al - do I risk making the mild steel brittle by heating??

Gracias



Sweet , i am in northriding ,randburg. ... happy to help with costs etc on this ... 

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 05, 2008, 11:38:03 am
getting a set of knobblies and end cannister next ....

jenks, when u thinking of fabricating that bash plate ...  where in jhb are you?


(btw i am gruebane at advrider)

Yeah, worked that out ;)

I'm in Westdene, Jozi. You're in Randburg, if I remember correctly. I'm pm-ing you my cell number.

I'll give the BP a go this weekend. Always takes twice as long as one thinks to do this kinda stuff. I need to buy a heat gun for when I bend that steel.

BTW - Lecap et al - do I risk making the mild steel brittle by heating??

Gracias



Sweet , i am in northriding ,randburg. ... happy to help with costs etc on this ... 



Cool. Let me do one and see how it works out.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 05, 2008, 11:48:58 am
To thank my brilliant DR for the km's of great riding it's given me, I have compiled the following list for people looking for DR information.
Workshop manual is here :

Hey Blikners

Here's another nice little page by a yank who farkled his dr beyond description!

http://mistyoak.org/dr650/dr650-index.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on December 06, 2008, 10:38:15 pm
Thanks, updated the list on top.
Hows the bash plate projecy coming on?
I started making one but didn't get past the cardboard stage yet!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 08, 2008, 12:19:34 pm
Thanks, updated the list on top.
Hows the bash plate projecy coming on?
I started making one but didn't get past the cardboard stage yet!

Howzit Blik

Check the pooratech thread - pics. It's pretty ugs right now - but once I've finished and cleaned the welds it should be real perdy!!  :drif: I spent half of Sat and half of Sun on it. Paid R100 for some offcuts (total ripoff) and about R500 on paint, sponge rollers, ss nuts etc.

My welding is letting me down badly - really frustrating because the heating and bending - even on the compound curves went really well! I burned through about three times.  :patch: Fugsakes!

I didn't use a cardboard mock-up. Just went straight to measuring and building. A mock-up IMO just wastes time. I'm more the 'make it up as he goes along' kinda oke. The gas blowtorch from Mica works quite well - but plenty up and downing to get it really hot before the bend.

BTW - I think the offcuts are one point two mil mild steel. It's pretty strong -especially with the welding joining the curves on the ears (the sections that will protect the oil filter and the clutch cover).

I'll cut holes to run along the frame tubes to lighten her up. That way I don't risk weakening the plate around the exposed casing. It's already pretty light.

The oke at Midas sold me the black paint used for fireplaces. It's supposed to be heat and scratch resistant. No primer required apparently :thumleft: I'll let yer all know how it works out.

I know it looks kak at the moment - but it'll be perdy when I'm finished!

Will the wilddogs okes let me paint a white paw on the plate??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on December 28, 2008, 04:39:31 pm
Dr owners please help:

Got a Dr650 last week.  When I got the bike it was lowered.  Apparently not the "official" way.  I checked the manual that I downloaded and it seems as though the position of the spacer at the shock (back)  was not changed.  It was lowered by backing down the pre- load completely, and the stanchions were sticking out  through the clamps by 5cm.  I have raised it again front and back.  I am not sure that the front has not been lowered internally.  According to the manual this is done by turning a spacer in the fork or something.  How do I tell if the front has been lowered internally without taking it apart?
What is the standard length for the forks from the top to the bottom if not compressed?  Please can somebody measure this.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on December 28, 2008, 05:08:17 pm
Dr owners please help:

Got a Dr650 last week.  When I got the bike it was lowered.  Apparently not the "official" way.  I checked the manual that I downloaded and it seems as though the position of the spacer at the shock (back)  was not changed.  It was lowered by backing down the pre- load completely, and the stanchions were sticking out  through the clamps by 5cm.  I have raised it again front and back.  I am not sure that the front has not been lowered internally.  According to the manual this is done by turning a spacer in the fork or something.  How do I tell if the front has been lowered internally without taking it apart?
What is the standard length for the forks from the top to the bottom if not compressed?  Please can somebody measure this.

I'm going to take my newly acquired DR650 to LeCap to check out as soon as the silly season is over.  There are few in the Western Cape who know as much about DR650s as he does.  Look him up in the Vendor section.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on December 28, 2008, 07:41:40 pm
Crossed-up

Did you buy one of the 2 DR's this month in Gumtree?

IceCreamMan, I guess you know yours has not been lowered, please measure.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on December 28, 2008, 07:59:49 pm
I am tempted to import an IMS tank from just www.justgastanks.com.  Has anyone done this? What would the duties be?  Anybody know what local price would be on IMS tank?  This would work out at R2900 (excluding duties??)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on December 28, 2008, 09:35:55 pm
Crossed-up

Did you buy one of the 2 DR's this month in Gumtree?


Yeah, I bought mine from 2 guys, Duane and Ian.  They had bought LeCap's old DR but are now riding tar only and so had  bought another street bike.  I think Jurgen was quite please to hear a WD has his old bike.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on December 29, 2008, 08:07:53 am
Crossed-up

Did you buy one of the 2 DR's this month in Gumtree?

IceCreamMan, I guess you know yours has not been lowered, please measure.

Will do so hagar ..i do think that seeing as the bike was lowered thru the forks the internals are prolly untouched...will confirm for you..at work will do so tonight.

Regarding the IMS tank , mine had a sticker price of 2500 when i bought my bike although i got the tank kinda thrown into the deal...

look locally if importing yrself is running at 3000 first ...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on December 29, 2008, 08:55:30 am
Measure the fork leg from the upper end / top of the cap to centre of the front axle. In the "long" setting it is 895mm, in the "short" setting it is about 860mm.

You should be careful with just pushing the forks through the triple clamps. Opposed to moving the spacers "dropping" the front will reduce the clearance of the front wheel with fully compressed suspension. Depending on the tire used and depending on how far you push the tubes through you might lock your front wheel after the next jump :o
"Dropping" the long forks by up to 30mm is safe and actually the recommended (by me) lowering for very light riders. Short & heavy guys should rather use the official lowering method (moving a spacer from on top of fork spring to below the damper piston which reduces the suspension travel and increases the spring preload.

Re: The rear shock: The lower spring support has a slot. Have a close look there. If the spring support in its cross section looks like an inverted "U" it is in the high setting and the shock MUST be connected to the cushion lever in the corresponding high hole.
To lower the bike you have to remove the shock from the bike, turn out the spring preload and turn the lower spring support around. This reduces the maximum travel of the shock.
If you only change the connection of the rear shock to the cushion lever without modifying the shock itself the rear wheel can travel too far resulting in the brake caliper hitting the exhaust :o or the rear wheel disassembling the bike's tail :o :o :o

Crossed Up's bike is lowered as specified by Suzuki.

For importing the tank expect to pay VAT and a handling fee. The handling fee depends a lot on the mood of some -censored- at customs as they move more and more to the practice to employ a clearing agent for stuff that could be cleared by the recepient in the past. If you can clear yourself it's R25 as far as I remember. Clearing agent is a few hundred Rand :(

A very worthwhile alternative to the IMS is the Clarke tank. 16l is sufficient for me, the tank is very well made, looks great and leaves access to plugs etc. It fits like a glove once you have sourced two longer bolts and two small pieces of 10x1.5 stainless steel hydraulic tube as spacers for the tank bolt rubbers.
Topbox can get you one for a good price.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on December 29, 2008, 10:59:56 am
I found my bike to be a little too low at the rear so I moved the shock mounting bolt to the lower hole.  It is a little higher now. It feels better all round and doesn't bottom out over obstacles so easily.  I hope this is in order.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on December 29, 2008, 01:50:14 pm
Suzuki SA website has the DR650 at 67k now  :o

LeCap did say he was told 62k recently ....

assuming the 67 is an error and the 62 k is correct ,that makes the bike a tad expensive i reckon. not sure suzuki are going to sell to many at 62 k considering the xt is 66k and the klr is 55k...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: buzzlightyear on December 29, 2008, 01:59:06 pm
The DRZ400 is 61400, so the 650 must be 67 as they say.

Suzuki South lists the 650 at 58400, the DRZ price is 61400.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Disselboom on December 29, 2008, 02:03:56 pm
The next shipment of XT's will be more expensive, too. Yamaha have allready raised the price of their quads, bikes will follow soon.

Not worth trading in/buying now, old bike will have to last.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on December 29, 2008, 04:04:05 pm
Thank you for the help.  My front shock has not been lowered.  Nice to have an online fundi.  I will look into tanks locally and see what is available.  Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 30, 2008, 06:16:11 am
RE pricing

I noticed at the Motor Show at Nasrec that the prices had gone up on virtually all Zooks by around 20 percent  :o. The rand is not helping. I suspect the dr650's newfound popularity abroad (possibly driven by web forums like this and those on adv and thumpertalk) is also driving up sales and Zook is pushing up prices. Not clever as this model is 12 years old.  :deal:

67 is way too much. If I was in the market now, I'd go for a second hand bimmer or KTM or a second hand dr650 (if you can find them - low mileage for around 45K)



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on December 30, 2008, 08:00:29 am
I found my bike to be a little too low at the rear so I moved the shock mounting bolt to the lower hole.  It is a little higher now. It feels better all round and doesn't bottom out over obstacles so easily.  I hope this is in order.

You'll have to change the forks as well as the bike is riding "on its nose" with most likely reduced high speed stability. Also worthwhile to turn around the lower spring support as you're giving away suspension travel.

... I will look into tanks locally and see what is available.  Cheers
Speak to Topbox re. the Clarke. Welcome to come and have a look at mine. Don't think anyone is carrying the generic DR plastic tanks on the shelf here in SA. (?)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 14, 2009, 11:03:41 am
Back frame load capacity

The Xchallenge okes are busy discussing weight loads on the back of their bikes (for touring). I was wondering if anyone knows how much weight the dr can carry with a lightish home made rack fitted (about four kilos). The rack is positioned just behind the seat and reaches to the end of the brake light. It sits about two centimetres above the light:

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/100_0225-1.jpg)

Handling and structural strength issues are concerning me a little. But I have noticed the okes on advrider load up their bikes to the max, so maybe it isn't an issue. Any opinions??

I weigh about 70 kilos
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on January 14, 2009, 01:20:29 pm
Not answering your question, but just want to know what tyres you
running? By the way - nice way to secure the bike, although the staffie should take care of any thieves >:D

What is your consumption like. I did 362km's of mixed riding on 17.8 litres the other day which worked out to 20km/l. I think that is about right?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_BOBNOB on January 14, 2009, 01:29:42 pm
Not answering your question, but just want to know what tyres you running?

that front tyre is a kenda 761 or something like that - i have one on my dakar has done 10000km with it no issues  :thumleft:

best part was the price cost me a cool R285  :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 14, 2009, 02:06:19 pm
Ja, it's a Kenda.

They're cheap and a little slippery in the wet (make that a lot slippery!!  :eek7: ). Got them at DNA. I think the deathwings are better, quite honestly. Just wanted to try another tyre. The tread pattern is more street orientated than the stock wings - but the wings are superior on street and on flat track IMHO.

Those kenda's will be downright dangerous in mud  :patch:.

I'm thinking maybe some sticky slicks and a pair of knobblies sometime in the future - just to give me all the options  :ricky:

I live in Westdene, Jozi. My neighbours in Westbury have already tried repossessing the dr. Thank god I made that lock set-up. They gave up the minute they saw it! Highly recommended and simple to make. The staffie is a meek oke, the skinny little jack russel is the meneer (at least he thinks so!)

Hey I'm still looking for opinions on loading up the dr for a long trip. Durbs and the Eastern Cape are on the cards for late Feb. I like to travel real light - so I'm hoping the Vuka top box will be big (and strong) enough!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 14, 2009, 02:11:49 pm
What is your consumption like. I did 362km's of mixed riding on 17.8 litres the other day which worked out to 20km/l. I think that is about right?

That's spot-on. I get just below five litres per 100 kays.

I've ground down the header weld and removed the snorkel from the airbox - so the bike might be a little lean. The spark plugs show a richish mixture, tho'. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_BOBNOB on January 14, 2009, 02:15:07 pm
did the entire cape winter with that kenda and only had 1 slippery experience and that was due to diesel on the road not the tire  ???

but then again i dont put my knee down in the wet  :P

also did baviaans and cederberge with the kenda - no issues whatsoever i'll buy another one no problem  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 14, 2009, 02:20:49 pm
did the entire cape winter with that kenda and only had 1 slippery experience and that was due to diesel on the road not the tire  ???

but then again i dont put my knee down in the wet  :P

also did baviaans and cederberge with the kenda - no issues whatsoever i'll buy another one no problem  :thumleft:

Good to hear (I was thinking baviaans in Feb!). This is my first bike - so I'm still learning the limits. Maybe I'm too good/bad a scholar?? :eek7:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on January 14, 2009, 04:23:01 pm
I hope I'm asking at the right thread now.  I've got a XF650, think its the same engin as the DR.
Most of the times when I switch it of it makes a loud knock from the engine, almost as if the starter is engaging and knock against the flywheel.
90% of the time it starts with just touch of the starter button, but sometimes,like when I forget to choke it, it struggels to start, and then that knocking is at every swing of the engine, it sounds terrible!  When I changed the oil yesterday, I found a small piece of metal in the oil, looked like a piece of gear tooth!
Do you think I must strip it down.
Other than that, it purrs like a kitten when ideling, and pulls nicely, never had any problems, and uses almost no oil.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 14, 2009, 04:51:50 pm
I hope I'm asking at the right thread now.  I've got a XF650, think its the same engin as the DR.

That sounds very serious. I'm not sure the engines are the same. The dr's a 644cc motor, air and oil cooled. Definitely don't ride the bike until you've solved the problem. Ask Lecap for further advice. If you can, remove the clutch cover and have a peek for any obvious issues.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 15, 2009, 01:26:34 pm
Do you think I must strip it down.

Check out the thumpertalk thread for the dr. The third gear cog can apparently grenade and screw your entire motor  :Whaxatk: A guy called nordieboy had this happen to him recently.

I'd get a magnetized screwdriver or allen key and try to locate any other fragments!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on January 15, 2009, 03:26:54 pm
Bliksem, that won't be lekker.
I'll check it out, and drain out the new oil I just put in... :(
Thanks for the help
Oh yes, and it is the same engine, also 644cc air and oil cooled
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 15, 2009, 04:13:17 pm
Bliksem, that won't be lekker.
I'll check it out, and drain out the new oil I just put in... :(
Thanks for the help
Oh yes, and it is the same engine, also 644cc air and oil cooled


So it is the same motor then. Interesting! Check with lecap for any other issues. I know the neutral sending unit is a beeg problem on the dr. It's attached by two screws and is located behind the clutch basket. The screws gradually work loose and can also grenade the motor. If that piece of metal looks like a screw - you may be lucky in the sense that it's a relatively simple fix: Remove the clutch cover, remove the clutch basket and remove the f-ing NSU. You'll lose your neutral light - but gain piece (edit: that should be peace!!  :xxbah:) of mind. I really hope that is your problem. It's a major cockup if your tranny is imploding.

Also check your starter motor (as you hinted in your first post). It could be the starter gear, or part of the flywheel gear ring has disintigrated. Relatively easy to pull and check. 

Check with lecap tho'! I think you're close to his pozzy.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 16, 2009, 10:36:02 am
Those Kendas are pieces of shite. Outright dangerous in cold and wet conditioons, pathetic performance on dirt, only good for sunshine summer commuting. I tried them once and nearly killed myself almost losing the front end TWICE in one corner, finishing off with a huge slide followed by another huge slide in the very next corner.

Go for Kings KT966.

The sound from Jman's Freewind is most probably a worn starter clutch. Not a major problem, some DR's and some Freewinds develop it and they go for a very long time before it actually packs up.

BTW: Never heard of any DR650SE third gear gearbox problems and never had any myself.
Also never had problems with the neutral switch thingie. Checked on two very high mileage engines and found everything i.o. IMHO a blown up freak incident.

The DR and XF engines are BASICALLY the same. Different cylinder heads (single port and twin port intakes). Also different oil coolers.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on January 16, 2009, 02:43:59 pm
Thanks Lecap

Thats what one of my friends also told me yesterday after he heard it.  My mind is at ease now, because that actually makes sense if I listen to when it makes the noise.  That does not mean that the starter is running with the engine is it?  Maybe from all the knocking it chipped a tooth? I'll strip it in the near future and just hae a look, maybe replace the clutch.

About tyres, I've got Hydies on my front tyre at the moment, done about 2000km on them, and they are great all round tyres, grips well on tar and gravel.  Rear is dunlop and they are nice, but they run down quickly, maybe I should heat treat it before riding it to hard?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 16, 2009, 07:46:53 pm
Those Kendas are pieces of shite

So I'm not imagining things  :-\  I'll try your tyre selection next! I ride like a grandad and those tyres still want to get me horizontal  :eek7: Five thousand Ks on the dr and I haven't dropped her once - despite them Kendas! I'm a veteran mountainbiker - so I've had my share of bloody meetings with Mr Mac. I sure don't want the dr tossing me at 75Kph.

Regarding tranny and NSU issues. With the greatest of respect, Lecap, they are definitely worth being aware of. The NSU in particular. Plenty of reports on thumpertalk, advrider and other fora on these slowly rattling loose and ending up in the transmission  :P. There are a small number of reports of relatively high mileage dr's having the 2nd or 3rd cog going pop (around 50 thousand Ks).

Here's a heart stopping example: http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=730490.

Halloween for dr owners  :sad2:

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/20090113-154534-000007.jpg)

Some dr owners have also been scathing about the apparently variable quality of the tranny cogs.

One of the factors in the tranny grenading is probably poor maintenance by these owners - we're not all master bike techs like you lecap ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on January 16, 2009, 10:01:01 pm


One of the factors in the tranny grenading is probably poor maintenance by these owners -

I think 90 % of all bike troubles stem from this not just trannies, some people think a bike should last forever and that frequent oil changes are over rated  :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 17, 2009, 08:10:48 am


One of the factors in the tranny grenading is probably poor maintenance by these owners -

I think 90 % of all bike troubles stem from this not just trannies, some people think a bike should last forever and that frequent oil changes are over rated  :P

+1

They also think ignoring the manufacturer's spec is OK.

But I also feel guys like Suzuki, BMW, etc, ect, should update and publish their specs and procedures, especially for long running models like the dr650.  :deal: Oils and tools have evolved somewhat since the dr first appeared in the current form in 1996. We'd all benefit from Zook's r and d being published on the web - maybe even in the wikis. At the moment all you have is a bunch of enthusiasts chatting (some of whom are excellent techs).
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 17, 2009, 08:24:29 am
I love it when people donthave enough to do and start great threads like this!
Thanks!

Jenks its like youre   talking to yourself  ::)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 17, 2009, 08:27:00 am
I love it when people donthave enough to do and start great threads like this!
Thanks!

Jenks its like youre   talking to yourself  ::)

I'm my own best listener  ;D'

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 17, 2009, 03:02:11 pm
Any advice on the best place to get those kings 966s that lecap mentioned? Are there tread size variations? Those kendas give me the jeebees.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 18, 2009, 12:18:25 am
Kings KT966: Your local bike shop can get them from Autocycle in Cape Town.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on January 18, 2009, 07:14:28 am
Do you perhaps know where I can get a 14t sprocket for the DR?  I went trough Attekwas kloof yesterday and would like a bit lower gearing for this kind of ride.   
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 18, 2009, 09:01:55 am
Do you perhaps know where I can get a 14t sprocket for the DR?  I went trough Attekwas kloof yesterday and would like a bit lower gearing for this kind of ride.   

Procycle in the US can supply the 14t. I'm sure you can order it through Suzuki SA as well. I also want one. If there are any other takers, we could order together and split the importing costs. The best mod for your kind of application appears to be the pumper carb - which solves a range of issues in one go. Also available from Procycle - but expensive: http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.htm.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 19, 2009, 04:05:46 pm
Here's another US vendor who supplies the 14t:
http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm

I have tried a number of South African stores (woa, full throttle, even kayenne) and am battling to source the 14t locally.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on January 24, 2009, 03:10:19 am
Here is a fun little project that I got to do this summer.

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x135/notdelbert/grenade003.jpg)

(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x135/notdelbert/grenade007.jpg)

There were no "special" tools needed though a torque wrench and air tools helped.

NOTICE where the missing tooth is from the clutch basket is.........thats right....... it's right between the timing chain and the crank gear.
I rode the bike 60 miles at 70-80 mph this way! 

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 26, 2009, 11:06:50 am
Nice catch Muk.

I think you posted this on adv as well. No other damage??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on January 26, 2009, 06:24:48 pm
When the chunk of metal let go from the clutch cage it cracked the case and gave me a small oil leak.--The only tell tale--

I was 20-30 miles from anywhere when it happened. I limped into the nearest town bought a quart of oil and made the 60 mile trek home without incident. --Note to self take a qt of oil with you when out exploring in the desert--

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on January 28, 2009, 07:31:55 pm
What kind of rubber are you guys using?

I'm running Pirelli Mt 21's but I have thought about the Dunlop 606's.

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on January 28, 2009, 08:48:43 pm
What kind of rubber are you guys using?

I'm running Pirelli Mt 21's but I have thought about the Dunlop 606's.

Muk

I run D606's front and rear. Extremely good grip (especially in the dirt) and wear's well. Only drawback is the loud humming on tar but I ride with earplugs so it is no big deal. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on January 28, 2009, 08:50:29 pm
I like the 606's on my 400.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on January 28, 2009, 09:06:52 pm
I have had KT966's and currently on Trailwings.
Liked the KT966's better but hoping for better mileage on the Trailwings (only got 5000km from a 966 rear).
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on January 29, 2009, 08:27:49 am
Trailwings will never see my bike, too much loose stuff even on tarmac. They call them "Deathwings" here.

I thought that the Pirelli MT 21's would be greasy on the road but much to my surprise they stick like a street tire.

I currently have 3000+ miles = 5000 km on mine. If the Dunlop 606 has better wear and is as sticky on the road as the MT 21's I may just try them.

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 04, 2009, 01:59:42 pm
Trailwings will never see my bike, too much loose stuff even on tarmac. They call them "Deathwings" here.

I thought that the Pirelli MT 21's would be greasy on the road but much to my surprise they stick like a street tire.

I currently have 3000+ miles = 5000 km on mine. If the Dunlop 606 has better wear and is as sticky on the road as the MT 21's I may just try them.

Muk

Hey Muk

I've got Kenda's. They should be called Endas - as in "the enda yer life"  :biggrin: Make the wings  feel like gumballs. Downright lethal on wet pavement.

BTW: I repacked my airage freeflow pipe today. Malleted the ends loose and installed the fmf packing. Also drilled five 5mm holes in the top of the airbox near the snorkel hole in an attempt to lean out the bike a little (she's running slightly rich). WOW!!! What an improvement.

I had been riding the bike stock over the last few days (snorkel back in and stock boat anchor exhaust). Boy am I glad to have Mr Hyde back: lovely tone and lots of extra torque low down in the range. Goodbye Dr Jeckyll welcome back Mr Hyde  :ricky:

With apologies to kykdaar (who digs his bike quiet and stealthy  :peepwall: )
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 04, 2009, 02:36:28 pm
 ;D Silent but violent.

Hey Jenks, unless I am mistaken you have made a bashplate for the DR?

You posted it somewhere? Any tips? I must start looking at making one as well.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 04, 2009, 02:48:56 pm
Howzit!

Ja - I posted the pics in pooratech. I didn't make a mock-up and went straight to cutting and welding. With hindsight, a mock-up would have probably saved me half the time.

Another tip is rather use stainless than normal steel. I painted my 1,6 mil plate with firplace paint. It's chipping already  ???

Check the pics in pooratech :thumleft:

BTW: Here's a post I made today in advrider. Any advice from the boertjies would be welcome!!

Hi all

I'm riding the bike down to Durban from Johannesburg on the 14th Feb to visit my boet (brother) who has just acquired an F800GS.

I was wondering about carb/fuel mixture settings once I get to Durban (which is at sea level). I'm at six thousand feet here in Johannesburg.

The bike's carb is stock. I've drilled five 5mm holes in the top of the airbox. An Airage freeflow pipe is attached. The bike was running slightly rich.

Will I need to adjust the mixture once I'm in Durban. Never done the fuel settings before.

Any advice??

Gracias
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_BOBNOB on February 04, 2009, 02:48:58 pm
;D Silent but violent.

Hey Jenks, unless I am mistaken you have made a bashplate for the DR?

You posted it somewhere? Any tips? I must start looking at making one as well.

have a look at the one that LS made  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on February 04, 2009, 02:50:59 pm
Jenks , i think the bike will be fine at sea level.

i think they are prolly jetted for sea level when they leave the factory anyway
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 04, 2009, 03:16:43 pm
Tx ICM!

kykdaar - here's striker's skidplate. Much better set-up, I think:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=11256.160

Wish I'd seen his post before I started my project

Another tip that just came to mind: when cutting the oil drain hole in the plate, first mark the general area when the skidplate is attached to the bike. Then drill a small pilot hole (off the bike - last thing you want is a hole in the case) check with eyeball 101 to see if it is centred on the drain plug. If not, drill another pilot hole. The reason for this advice: once you cut a large hole in the plate - it cannot be undone/moved - better get it centred with a pilot hole or three.

you'll notice I had some other advice in the pooratech posting. But definitely also check striker's post. He was way more methodical
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 04, 2009, 03:30:08 pm
Tx ICM!

kykdaar - here's striker's skidplate. Much better set-up, I think:

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=11256.160

Wish I'd seen his post before I started my project

Thanks :thumleft:

BTW, when I was in Stilbaai recently I did not notice any adverse impact on my bike.
However, mine is probably running rich compared to yours so the pressure at sea-level may be a bigger issue for you to avoid running too lean.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 09, 2009, 12:02:20 pm
Check your clutch and rear brake settings!!!

Howzit dr guys

I have just completed the six thousand K service on the dr650se and found the clutch and rear brake lever settings were way out. They've been that way since I bought the bike in December 07. This is my first bike - so I had no idea what the set-up was supposed to feel like. But now following the service - I'm amazed at how much more planted the dr feels. The rear brake pedal was set way too high - and I'd just become used to riding with my right foot arched above the lever. Much more comfortable now.

Do yourselves a favour and check the settings as specced in the manual available online in pdf format.

The bike now rides so much better!

Worth the effort :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on February 11, 2009, 07:24:33 pm
Jenks, STOCK CARB????

Sighs* ::) I had such high hopes for you.

I guess I'm going to have to teach you how to hot rod the crap out of your ride!

I'll get my camera out in the next couple of days and take pictures of how it is done!

Muk is one cheap S>O>B so everything I have done is on the cheap!

For less than $100.00 U.S. in parts, I can guide you to 6+ more horsepower and massive improvement in throttle response without sacrificing durability.

(This is not rocket science! I can train a monkey to do it! ---You may take a little longer tho :imaposer:)

Are you ready?

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on February 11, 2009, 08:03:17 pm
I'm on stock everything, too, so post away muk, I can't wait!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 04:52:05 am
Jenks, STOCK CARB????

Muk

Ja, the carb is stock. I don't want to do the jetting - rather go straight to the pumper carb mod when finances permit (procycle) or I properly understand the operation of the carby and can modify a second hand carb here in SA :bueller: I am at six thousand feet here in Johannesburg.

What I have done is pull the snorkel and drill five holes in the top of the airbox near the snorkel hole. I've also ground down the header weld and fitted an Airage freeflow pipe. That has already transformed my mild mannered poney into something of a rodeo special  :biggrin:


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 05:25:18 am
Muk

Ja, the carb is stock. I don't want to do the jetting - rather go straight to the pumper carb mod when finances permit (procycle) or I properly understand the operation of the carby and can modify a second hand carb here in SA :bueller: I am at six thousand feet here in Johannesburg.

What I have done is pull the snorkel and drill five holes in the top of the airbox near the snorkel hole. I've also ground down the header weld and fitted an Airage freeflow pipe. That has already transformed my mild mannered poney into something of a rodeo special  :biggrin:

Looking forward to your posts Muk!


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Wild Hearted Son on February 12, 2009, 07:20:01 am
Hi

Anybody know what carb a DR650 uses ?
I'm after a pair of Mikuni BST33SS for my DR800 - the internals on mine are shot.

regards
WHS
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 07:52:42 am
WHS, BST 40

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 08:06:07 am
Jenks does your bike "pop" on deceleration? If yes you are still lean. If no then you may be rich and see below

At your altitude you are limited only by the amount of air you can get through your system. I'd suggest removing the backfire screen and opening up the entire top of the airbox.

http://www.kientech.com/AirBoxMod.htm

Do not attempt these mods if you are not at 6000ft elevation and cannot rejet. It will make the bike too lean to run.

My best purchase was a dynojet kit from Keintech. This along with opening up the airbox and drilling the slide makes a world of difference if you already have an aftermarket exhaust. Even without an aftermarket exhaust the Dynojet kit is able to get extra horsepower!

Muk
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 08:31:57 am
Jenks does your bike "pop" on deceleration? If yes you are still lean. If no then you may be rich and see below

At your altitude you are limited only by the amount of air you can get through your system. I'd suggest removing the backfire screen and opening up the entire top of the airbox.

Muk

Cool Muk

Yeah, spoke to Jesse at Kientiech. He advised me to tread cautiously with the airbox mod - if the bike is rich. He said leaning out the bike is more difficult - hence the five holes drilled. I noticed the snorkel pointed inward toward the centre of the bike (probably positioned purposely out of the airflow) so that's where I drilled the five holes. I would be cautious of cutting the entire top section out - rather just drill a few holes and plug a few if the bike tends too lean. Just my two Zim pennies  :biggrin:

My bike doesn't pop nearly as much as it used to. I'll check the plugs after a long ride to see if the bike is still running rich.Note - the dr dudes in Johannesburg will probably be slightly rich at 6K ft.

Most guys on advrider and thumpertalk rave about the jetting mods. I've thought long and hard about it and decided the much more expensive pumper carb replacement mod (about six thousand rands, imported from procycle) would be money well spent in the end. It'll solve the offroad gearing issues, allow you to loft the wheel where necessary   :evil6: and improve response for road. 

An important point for anyone considering the carb replacement is to note that you will experience a massive increase in responsiveness, but not an increase in power!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: GRIM on February 12, 2009, 10:50:30 am
JHB is more around 5000 feet if it makes any difference
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 02:19:44 pm
JHB is more around 5000 feet if it makes any difference

Ok - I was working on roughy four feet to the metre. Thanks for the correction! That explains my bike being just slightly rich.

The Mikuni pumper card mod, available from procycle in the US, includes a range of jetting options for different altitudes. So you probably will get a slight power increase, in fact. But the big bonus I've read about online is the improved delivery across the rev range - allowing for power wheelies (if you're that way inclined) or lofting the front wheel over a log, etc (more my mission). This also negates the need for gearing changes as the bike won't bog down on low speed, technical trails.

Oh, and in case you're wondering ... no, I don't work for procycle  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 02:50:05 pm
Hi all

I'm considering setting up the gps on my HTC tytnII and rigging it for the bike. I've heard there is an auxillary power outlet on the dr650se - but not sure about its location.

Another question is regarding charging the tytnII while riding. Anyone know if I'd need to mod the power output to match the tytnII's needs??

Gracias!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: runamuk on February 12, 2009, 07:57:09 pm
Jenks, the popping is caused by a lean condition.

The DJ kit has a new needle, to improve responsiveness, and drilling the slide also helps tremendously. Once you have jetted it to reduce most of the popping on deceleration you are done jetting.- until you change altitudes-

I'd love to have the pumper carb kit but the performance does not justify the price! ONLY 4 HP OVER DJ KIT (Remember Runamuk is a cheap S<O<B)

The DJ kit, opening the airbox, and an hour of your time is the way to go for less than 1/3 the price!  While you are at it get the extended fuel screw so you can adjust the idle circut easily, and get the manual choke kit as the stocker is a piece of crap.

Muk

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 12, 2009, 08:07:52 pm
Jenks, the popping is caused by a lean condition.

The DJ kit has a new needle, to improve responsiveness, and drilling the slide also helps tremendously. Once you have jetted it to reduce most of the popping on deceleration you are done jetting.- until you change altitudes-

I'd love to have the pumper carb kit but the performance does not justify the price! ONLY 4 HP OVER DJ KIT (Remember Runamuk is a cheap S<O<B)

The DJ kit, opening the airbox, and an hour of your time is the way to go for less than 1/3 the price!  While you are at it get the extended fuel screw so you can adjust the idle circut easily, and get the manual choke kit as the stocker is a piece of crap.

Muk


Cool Muk, thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 13, 2009, 04:57:46 pm
Contemplating removing / circumventing clutch switch & sidestand switch (if it has one).

Such items just tend to give you hassle when you do not need it. Also, you can only start the bike with the clutch lever pulled in - does this mean that the bike can not be run started?

Anyone done such mods and can help with some tips on how it is done?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on February 13, 2009, 05:10:00 pm
The clutch switch is easily disconnected.  Follow the wires from the clutch to the bunch of wires tied up together behind the headlamp cowl.  Find the connector for the clutch switch and disconnect it.  Push-starting is now possible.  QED. 
If I remember correctly LeCap has explained all about the sidestand switch elsewhere on the forum.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 13, 2009, 07:31:53 pm
The clutch switch is easily disconnected.  Follow the wires from the clutch to the bunch of wires tied up together behind the headlamp cowl.  Find the connector for the clutch switch and disconnect it.  Push-starting is now possible.  QED. 
If I remember correctly LeCap has explained all about the sidestand switch elsewhere on the forum.


Thanks, much appreciated :thumleft:

I also thought LeCap mentioned something about side-stand switches but thought it was farm instrument (KLR >:D) related. Will try and find it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on February 14, 2009, 08:56:56 am
Never ever had any issues with clutch and side stand switch on any of my 7 DR650SE over the last eight years. Combined mileage of the bikes probably above 400 000 km with two bikes accounting for half that figure.

The side stand switch can cause a split second ignition cutoff on a hard landing after a jump. It's so short you will most probably not even notice it.

You can push start a DR650SE with the OEM safety switches as the side stand switch requires the bike to be in gear and side stand down to cut out. No need to push start with the side stand down ???
The clutch switch only prevents the starter to operate unless you pull the clutch.

Re the aux. power point: It's the connector for the park light inside the headlight reflector. Most markets bikes do not have the park light but have the connector to attach it on the wiring loom. It is switched and only has power when ignition is on (or on P if your ignition switch has this position). Will check for colour of wires and plug and edit later.

For a permanently connected aux. power point (for example for a Vapor) find the red (positive) and black with white marker (ground) leads on the green ignition switch connector under the tank and tap them.
For a switched positive you can also tap into the orange lead on the same connector.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 14, 2009, 01:26:51 pm
Never ever had any issues with clutch and side stand switch on any of my 7 DR650SE over the last eight years. Combined mileage of the bikes probably above 400 000 km with two bikes accounting for half that figure.

The side stand switch can cause a split second ignition cutoff on a hard landing after a jump. It's so short you will most probably not even notice it.

You can push start a DR650SE with the OEM safety switches as the side stand switch requires the bike to be in gear and side stand down to cut out. No need to push start with the side stand down ???
The clutch switch only prevents the starter to operate unless you pull the clutch.

Re the aux. power point: It's the connector for the park light inside the headlight reflector. Most markets bikes do not have the park light but have the connector to attach it on the wiring loom. It is switched and only has power when ignition is on (or on P if your ignition switch has this position). Will check for colour of wires and plug and edit later.

For a permanently connected aux. power point (for example for a Vapor) find the red (positive) and black with white marker (ground) leads on the green ignition switch connector under the tank and tap them.
For a switched positive you can also tap into the orange lead on the same connector.

Thanks LeCap.

Good to know that the clutch switch only revents the starter from operating and that it is thus still possible to push start the bike. Also good to know that it is relatively easy to disconnect if it gives problems.

I will leave the side-stand switch as is for know, but would like to know that I can easily disable it with a field repair if the need should ever arise. Can you advise the easiest way to do this?

Thanks 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on February 24, 2009, 10:25:26 pm
Never ever had any issues with clutch and side stand switch on any of my 7 DR650SE over the last eight years. Combined mileage of the bikes probably above 400 000 km with two bikes accounting for half that figure.

The side stand switch can cause a split second ignition cutoff on a hard landing after a jump. It's so short you will most probably not even notice it.

You can push start a DR650SE with the OEM safety switches as the side stand switch requires the bike to be in gear and side stand down to cut out. No need to push start with the side stand down ???
The clutch switch only prevents the starter to operate unless you pull the clutch.

Re the aux. power point: It's the connector for the park light inside the headlight reflector. Most markets bikes do not have the park light but have the connector to attach it on the wiring loom. It is switched and only has power when ignition is on (or on P if your ignition switch has this position). Will check for colour of wires and plug and edit later.

For a permanently connected aux. power point (for example for a Vapor) find the red (positive) and black with white marker (ground) leads on the green ignition switch connector under the tank and tap them.
For a switched positive you can also tap into the orange lead on the same connector.

Thanks LeCap.

Good to know that the clutch switch only revents the starter from operating and that it is thus still possible to push start the bike. Also good to know that it is relatively easy to disconnect if it gives problems.

I will leave the side-stand switch as is for know, but would like to know that I can easily disable it with a field repair if the need should ever arise. Can you advise the easiest way to do this?

Thanks 

Kykdaar, I did it in the middle of the Hel, when my switch got water in, I just disconnected the switch at the plug under the seat and bridged it.  I have a freewind, but I think the "binnegoed" are the same.  Mine would also cut out while going down rocky roads, and would then backfire, thats all gone now since I disconnected the switch.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on February 25, 2009, 08:32:44 am
Thanks for the info JMan  :thumleft:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on May 03, 2009, 06:35:14 pm
I want to put some proper bark busters on and need to order them.
Wheres a good place to order from and what do I need?
Maybe I should change the bars at the same time?
Or is it the bars first and then the rest?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on May 04, 2009, 08:12:52 am
I want to put some proper bark busters on and need to order them.
Wheres a good place to order from and what do I need?
Maybe I should change the bars at the same time?
Or is it the bars first and then the rest?

As far as I know, barkbusters are not available for the DR. I also want some but have had no joy. Bikegear are the importers. 

If you manage to obtain a lead, please let me know.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Bliknêrs on May 04, 2009, 11:03:12 pm
And the generic ones (assuming Barkbusters are a trademark), wouldn't they work?
My OEM hand protectors are useless and looks like sh1t.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on May 05, 2009, 07:38:09 am
And the generic ones (assuming Barkbusters are a trademark), wouldn't they work?
My OEM hand protectors are useless and looks like sh1t.

If I remember correctly, there was a generic bakbuster available, but I could not decipher the accompanying data table to determine if it would fit.

Will take another look on the bikegear website.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 05, 2009, 08:10:17 am
I have Polisport Sharp plastic only wrap arounds. One size fits all. You can get a bucketload of others also with aluminium bar that might snap your wrist in a fall but protects the levers well.

Here in the Cape Topbox & Craig's are the places to check. The OEM DR650SE hand guards are useless. Took them off the brand new bike.
Title: power socket
Post by: jenks on May 27, 2009, 04:08:06 pm
I'd like to wire up my HTC loaded with garmin using a lighter socket. Any advice from the dr guys?? I know there's a spare lead under the seat (if I remember correctly ???   )

I'm  so-so with electrics.

Thanks okes!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 28, 2009, 09:52:48 am
Most DR's (depends on year model) have a spare connector for the park light behind the lamp mask. If you have a park light discard it and use the connector for your plug.
Depending on the model (again ::) ) & type of ignition switch you can even switch off and lock the bike but still leave the socket powered if you need that.

Besides that, for the electrically challenged, get a male - female H4 connector kit for additional hgeadlights from Midas et al. and tap your plug onto the headlight circuit. Will be on with ignition.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 28, 2009, 10:11:45 am
Most DR's (depends on year model) have a spare connector for the park light behind the lamp mask.

Thanks lc! Mine is an 08 (650se). Sounds pretty simple. :thumleft:

BTW - no need for a fuse??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 28, 2009, 11:27:14 am
It is fused via the bikes light fuse. Fine for small stuff like GPS, cell charger etc.

If you want to run a searchlight or a compressor you should connect new and thick wiring to the positive terminal on the solenoid and to the end of the negative battery cable where it attaches to the engine.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 28, 2009, 11:29:49 am
It is fused via the bikes light fuse.

Thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 30, 2009, 10:32:04 pm
If my IMS tank was not already in the post I might have considered mounting this KTM tank and seat on the DR. (available here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32671.0)  I saw the attached photo on the german dr650 forum.  Who wants to give this a try?  Would look good.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on July 30, 2009, 12:54:27 am
If my IMS tank was not already in the post I might have considered mounting this KTM tank and seat on the DR. (available here http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32671.0)  I saw the attached photo on the german dr650 forum.  Who wants to give this a try?  Would look good.

You have the info on how that works?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 30, 2009, 07:33:22 am
Anyone got a spare DR650SE carb? It must be off the SE (1996ff). Although the older RS / RSE use the same Mikumi 40 CV housing it's machined totally different. Also looking for a km/h speedo.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on August 20, 2009, 07:09:29 pm
Does anyone have a CAD drawing of the back of the DR? (well, really I just need the bit with the grab-rails and the back of the seat)... I'm trying to draw luggage racks and that would help ALOT :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 12, 2009, 01:13:15 pm
I've bought another dr (an 07, US import) after flogging my black one in July. More money than sense, I know, but this bike has just 100km on the clock  :deal: . Paid 43K for it. Not bad. Now time to farkle a rack and skidplate. Eish I was a twatwaffle selling my first bike. But anyways back in the game again!!!

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/IMAG0175.jpg)

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/IMAG0178.jpg)
Nice can. Sweet Baritone note!!

This weekend is skidplate and rack time  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: IceCreamMan on November 12, 2009, 01:24:37 pm
nice , american import with 100 km's on the clock  ???

pack bike , come to bash , leaving 5:30 tomorrow morning from grasemere 1 stop , be there
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 12, 2009, 01:32:07 pm
nice , american import with 100 km's on the clock  ???

pack bike , come to bash , leaving 5:30 tomorrow morning from grasemere 1 stop , be there

Yup - just 100Ks! I know it sounds unbelievable - but I checked for typical signs of wear (on the grips, gear change rubbers, tyres, exhaust paint, etc) and this bike looks virtually new. That's a genuine 100kms  :D

So I'm chuffed!

Hey I'd love to join you okes, but this weekend is farkle time. Next time ICM. Hey how's the yammy?? I considered that - but the bike's a little big for me.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 12, 2009, 02:31:55 pm
Bike looks in fantastic condition Jenks.

Well done and welcome back to the SSS :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 12, 2009, 02:47:33 pm
Bike looks in fantastic condition Jenks.

Well done and welcome back to the SSS :thumleft:

Thanks boet. We must still do some riding together, hey? I remember you said there's some nice track near your possie.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 12, 2009, 02:52:20 pm
Always keen to ride :ricky:

Feel like a long ride to Dullstroom soon.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 16, 2009, 02:04:14 pm
Howzit okes

I'm busy checking over the new dr. Cleaned and oiled the airfilter, ground the header weld, replaced oil and filter so far. I found one of the spark plugs was loose (finger tight!!).

The speedo knurl nut was also  loose - so maybe that 100kms is more like 600?? Who knows. The bike looks brand new, though.

Any other essential checks I should do? I know lecap mentioned the stearing bearings being too tight. What about grease pointsl, etc, etc??

BTW - I found the workshop manual online for download at around R53-00. Just google "workshop manual" and you'll pick up the site link. Worth paying and knowing you get the entire, complete manual!

Cheers!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 16, 2009, 02:06:35 pm
i have the manual.
if you want it,  i'll swap for a beer
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 16, 2009, 02:20:17 pm
i have the manual.
if you want it,  i'll swap for a beer


 ;D ... hey I'll buy you okes a beer sometime anyways. I've already bought the manual pdf download.

Now I need to rewrite my learners and do my drivers. I let the learners lapse in July because I couldn't get a booking through that comically named Gauteng SERVICE Centre. Any recommendations on driving schools?? I'd like to also do some proper offroad training.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 16, 2009, 08:16:38 pm
Sumone told me that I should take my chain-roller off the DR,coz the DR is popular to rip it out of the frame?? This true?

If heared about it but did'nt bother,coz mine was working quite nicely,but I took it off anyway today,just to be sure/safe.

Anything els??Thanx
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on November 17, 2009, 12:22:06 am
Well heard!
well done!
The UPPER chain roller is completely useless. Its only purpose is to rip a hole into your frame.

Else: Check your steering head bearings.
If your bike is new: Readjust.
If your bike is not new: Buy a set and replace as they were overtightened when the bike was new (at least on my seven DR's model between 1996 and 2007)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 08:56:08 am
Sumone told me that I should take my chain-roller off the DR,coz the DR is popular to rip it out of the frame?? This true?

If heared about it but did'nt bother,coz mine was working quite nicely,but I took it off anyway today,just to be sure/safe.

Anything els??Thanx

Good that you removed it! It's been known to rip a hole in the frame when the chain connects during suspension compression. You can fill the threaded hole left behind with pratley putty, black silicon or the bolt red locktited.

I'd be interested to hear Lecap's thoughts regarding removal of the snorkel and cutting holes in the top of the airbox to improve breathing.

Also the pumper carb (Mikuni) - it's available from procycle.us - would you spend the cash on that lecap. I have some moola coming next year. So I'm thinking pumper carb, rack and maybe even the motard wheel set!! Hey it's Christmas time  :drif:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on November 17, 2009, 09:51:23 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 10:13:06 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

+1

I like it the way it comes from the factory. Even exchanged an aftermarket pipe in favour of the original exhaust.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 17, 2009, 10:39:50 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

Agree  :thumleft:

Just got back from a 2000km round trip to Boegoeberg. Bike performed perfectly and it was the wind not the performance of the bike that kept the speed to around 110 most of the time.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2009, 11:07:08 am
Kykdaar would you mind posting some recent pics of your bike ? Also is this a good deal :

http://www.junkmail.co.za/v-pretoria-motor-mail-motorcycling-suzuki-dr-650-se-2007-8000km-QZQYCatQX0572QYRgnQX0002QYAdQXF79755QYEdQX200935

Looks good to me  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 17, 2009, 11:12:34 am
talking about wind protection...

here's my bike as she currently stands:

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/Picture004.jpg)

the screen (and bash plate & hand guards) is the only thing the DR lacks.   here's the screen i found,  it's from 'screens for bikes' in auz.   Emailed the dude,  and landed it's AUZ$160 = R1125.00 (aprox) ---- LANDED!!!!

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/side.jpg)

here's what it looks like on the bike.   the guy says he can do any colour/tint.  

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DRScreen.jpg)

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/a0865022.jpg)

to dad,  from dad,  happy christmas
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 11:14:08 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

Fair enough. You're the pro, Lecap. What you say on these matters is taken very seriously. Kykdaar and Horse agree. Seems like I'm in the minority here  :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 17, 2009, 11:17:52 am
in case anyone's interested: peter@screensforbikes.com
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 11:21:13 am
Kykdaar would you mind posting some recent pics of your bike ? Also is this a good deal :

http://www.junkmail.co.za/v-pretoria-motor-mail-motorcycling-suzuki-dr-650-se-2007-8000km-QZQYCatQX0572QYRgnQX0002QYAdQXF79755QYEdQX200935

Looks good to me  :mwink:

Sidetrack, will take a few photies and post, but of what aspects - are you interested in the mods on the bike?

The advertised bike looks goods but IMHO is priced at a premium. I recently posted details of an 08 model for sale with the same km's for 3K more. Everything depends, of course, on condition, market forces and whether you really want it (in which case you would pay anything in any event).

If it was me and I had a dispassionate decision to make - I would offer about 37K
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 11:22:00 am
Ganja, that screen looks cool dude :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 11:23:24 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

Fair enough. You're the pro, Lecap. What you say on these matters is taken very seriously. Kykdaar and Horse agree. Seems like I'm in the minority here  :peepwall:


Boet, do not be too bothered with what I think. Everyone to their own. At the end of the day we just happy to ride such a lekker bike.

When we gonna have a DR run?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2009, 11:26:04 am
Kykdaar would you mind posting some recent pics of your bike ? Also is this a good deal :

http://www.junkmail.co.za/v-pretoria-motor-mail-motorcycling-suzuki-dr-650-se-2007-8000km-QZQYCatQX0572QYRgnQX0002QYAdQXF79755QYEdQX200935

Looks good to me  :mwink:

Sidetrack, will take a few photies and post, but of what aspects - are you interested in the mods on the bike?

The advertised bike looks goods but IMHO is priced at a premium. I recently posted details of an 08 model for sale with the same km's for 3K more. Everything depends, of course, on condition, market forces and whether you really want it (in which case you would pay anything in any event).

If it was me and I had a dispassionate decision to make - I would offer about 37K

Been on there for a while so I'm sure he will jump at 37K. Yep would like to see the mods on the bike, side pic would be cool  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 11:30:36 am
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

Fair enough. You're the pro, Lecap. What you say on these matters is taken very seriously. Kykdaar and Horse agree. Seems like I'm in the minority here  :peepwall:


Boet, do not be too bothered with what I think. Everyone to their own. At the end of the day we just happy to ride such a lekker bike.

When we gonna have a DR run?

I let my learner's lapse Kd, so I have to rewrite it and get my drivers now. Gotta get that out of the way first! I'm keen to ride with you okes sometime - maybe early next year - when I'm legal??



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 17, 2009, 12:21:09 pm

When we gonna have a DR run?

You like to  :pot:  hey... seen a few threads proposing brand specific runs in the past...  :mwink: to hell with them...I'm keen  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 12:57:45 pm
I think they brand rides are a nice idea, lots of opportunity to shoot the breeze about the (other) love of your life  :mwink: - compare mods, etc, etc.

It's also a nice equaliser - shows who's got the best skill. Me - I'm a mountainbiker with above average MTB skills - but who is way out of his depth on the dr. I never get close to the Zook's limits.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 01:01:32 pm
Hey sidetrack

Is that second quote in your profile (Tuco) from the Clint Eastwood spaghetti western classic?? (The Good, The Bad and The Ugly). If so, kudos on your excellent taste  :thumleft:

Edit: I googled the quote and found it is a quote from the Mexican rogue, Tuco. Nice one sidetrack!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 01:49:53 pm
Okay, here are a few pics (please excuse the messed-up garage) that shows my mods
to date -

Rear luggage rack (DR Monster Luggage rack (TM))  - Blazes;

Side luggage rack (to take Dirtbagz) - Groenie;

12 V plug and cables - Groenie;

Pooratech Bashplate - Blazes;

Barkbusters (DR specific) - ChrisL;

Kappa K660 screen (was on the bike when I got it) - Topbox?

IMS 19 L tank (was on the bike when I got it) - Loxton Suzuki?

Still must get -

Wide footpegs - Runner and co

Handle bar raisers / protaper bars - ?


(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7513/drfarkles001.jpg) (http://img697.imageshack.us/i/drfarkles001.jpg/)

(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/5461/drfarkles002.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/drfarkles002.jpg/)

(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6079/drfarkles003.jpg) (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/drfarkles003.jpg/)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2009, 02:20:55 pm
Looking good, thanks for sharing  :thumleft: Bit of a mission finding them second hand especially from dealers  :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 17, 2009, 02:23:52 pm

I will keep an eye out for you :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2009, 02:34:31 pm

I will keep an eye out for you :thumleft:

Cool, really like the blue (like yours) and earlier white / yellow models.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 17, 2009, 02:35:39 pm
Loxton had one with just 900ks on the clock, going for 47K. Had a top box too. It's no longer listed in junkmail, from what I can see. But it may still be available at their showroom. May be worth a call.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 17, 2009, 07:39:36 pm
Never bothered with performance mods on my DR's. If I want a performance bike I buy a KTM. I would not sacrifice the DR's legendary reliability and longevity for the thrill of a few extra hp. Seen too many modded & perished DRZ's recently :o

Fair enough. You're the pro, Lecap. What you say on these matters is taken very seriously. Kykdaar and Horse agree. Seems like I'm in the minority here  :peepwall:


Jenks,  i'd be very keen to hear how much you can get the pumper landed for,  also 39 or 40???   maybe a mini group buy...

so far,  my sazook:
ground out header pipe
pilot screw adjusted out
slide drilled - see pic
needle jet clip moved (cannot remember up or down,  but the settings are on TT)
AirAge pipe (from Kykdaar - my bike is starting to look suspiciously like his...)
airbox snorkel pulled

next service i'm clipping 3 coils off the needle jet spring (ala TT)

bike performs very well indeed.   nice and snappy throttle response.   front lifts very easily.   apparently the 3 coils of spring make it even more snappy - even less work for the slide to do...   got just shy of 13k on the clock.

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/01062009030.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 17, 2009, 08:57:00 pm
So I've been posting on Advrider mostly, but thought I might here what you guys think. Bought this DR650 from Crossed-up, great bike with lots of memories (weathered but I like it that way, I know the story behind the small dent in the tank). So please, no fault onto Crossed-Up, this is something I caused cause it was running before the starter issue.

Anyway, the starter sounded like a moose being skinned. So, last weekend I or so I strip out the starter in the following procedure.

1 - loosen clutch bracket retaining bolts
2 - Loosen starter retaining bolts
3 - Disconnect CDI
4 - Disconnect started wire
5 - Wiggle it about and see I have to remove the solid bit of pipe for the oil (only the two bolts and pipe bends as flex point)
6 - Wiggle it about but still no joy, so remove the cam chain tensioner
7 - Take out starter and strip, clean, grease what I could, reassemble, put back and bolt on
8 - Refit all parts removed
9 - Try started - DAMN!! Its still noisy, but weird, bike doesn't start
10 - DUH!!! CDI
11 - Still no joy from bike
12 - Check ignition, plugs (replaced them later), kills switch, still no joy
13 - Got it started via the throttle but no idling

I got the wrong carb cleaner (the pour type and not the spray type) so I haven't cleaned the carb yet again, will do that tomorrow. There is spark as well.

So, I got it to idle and start again tonight (cleaned carb last night with fuel) and idle after it was warm, but I stopped it while.

What could be going on? I think I need to clean it properly with the spray carb cleaner especially the slow system (idling part).

But what else could it be? Should I replace my jets (I still want standard, the power is plenty for my liking thank you). Could worn rings do this? I have been riding it hard, but didn't expect my oil to go from FULL to below LOW in just about 1200km (but then I couldn't really keep it off the throttle much the past two weeks, ITS JUST SO MUCH FUN THIS BIKE!!!!!!)

The guys from Advrider say it must be fuel supply problems. I tend to think so too since the bike can run if I use throttle.

What gets me down the most is that I attempted to quiet the starter (which is working) but now I have a bike that doesn't want to idle or start. Suppose cleaning needs to be more involved.

Happy trails.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 17, 2009, 09:19:57 pm
Thanx Lecap,I have the '08 model and about 8000km's on now,haven't checked the head bearings yet,will do . . .

Thanx for the pics Ganjoria :biggrin:,I love checking out the other guys DR's here.....

Tell me where can I get a That IMS 19L tank you have? Still want to get 1 in the future. . .

Kykdaar:I want to organize a DR-BASH!!  I am already trying to get all the westerncape DR's together at the same time once a month for some riding.But would be cool if there can be like a "DR-Bash",we should defnitly do that!

But anyway,im busy designing a rear-custom lugguage rack for my DR,but want to know why sum of u guys build these things so high up??
Anyway,can sum1 send me (kykdaar) sum close-up pics of their lugguage rack's,want to know what's gonna be the best for brackets holding the little flat plate in place...

Thanx :thumleft:

Then another thing ,If I go on a trip I  usually take a 10L plastic jerrycan with,but saw this 5L one u get at game,and I am gonna get me one of those now,I mean extra 5L is gonna be enough right?
Then it's 18L total,and If I work it out corectly,I'll be able to get between 270-280km in total?

Thanx,Ride Safe
Martin

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 17, 2009, 09:25:36 pm
Not sure if you removed the carb off the bike when doing the starter ? If not it's unlikely to cause the bike not to run. Will it idle with choke ? Is it possible that when you removed the cam chain tensioner that the cam may have skipped a tooth ? When it runs with throttle is it smooth ? On the DRZ 400 the pickup for the cdi sits by the flywheel, any chance of it being damaged or not in the correct place ?

Good luck  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 17, 2009, 09:25:57 pm
Oh,1more thing, TO ALL THE DR OWNERS: How many kays do you get out of a tank before it go's on reserve ? ? ? ?

I get about 140/145 to 160 riding around here,and on a trip its a bit more 170-180km's  .  .  .  .

And I think crossed-up told me the reserve is about 35km's?

Tell me is this normal? >:(

Thanx! :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 17, 2009, 09:35:25 pm
Hey Sidetrack, funny you mention that, I was wondering if that might not have screwed it up. With my playing I did notice it idles with choke, but not off choke. Will check that via timing marks etc???

Martin, I get about 230km of a tank before reserve, ok, thats if I ride average. But with the elandsrevier ride I went for about 220km and didn't hit reserve cause I took it gentle on the way down. But I know from checking my spark plugs that mine might be bordering on the lean side. Still trying to determine what you look out for as signs of an engine running lean (all these things combined tells you that in all probability your bike is running lean - same with rich).

Didn't touch the carb...ok I touched it but not in the sense of fiddling with it. I thought I might have somehow adjusted it as I nudged it with my fingers and hand as I removed the starter.

But will have to (and I wanted to) check that timing. Can I adjust it statically like the G/S or do I need a bit more tear down now and a timing light?

Happy trails,
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 17, 2009, 10:04:00 pm
I think if it's white stuff on your spark-plug the bike is running to lean.

and if it's red stuff on your spark-plug the bike is running ritch.

CORECT me if im WRONG? :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on November 17, 2009, 10:25:27 pm
Oh,1more thing, TO ALL THE DR OWNERS: How many kays do you get out of a tank before it go's on reserve ? ? ? ?

I've only ever hit reserve once.

I usually fill up at 160-170km.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on November 17, 2009, 10:29:53 pm
slide drilled - see pic

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/01062009030.jpg)

I've been wanting to do this as I am looking for a bit more response out of my throttle.
Is this mod fairly simple to do though?

Could you maybe post a few quick directions on how to do it?
All I ever see is pics of how the slide must look, but I got no bloody idea on how to get to and get the slide out.  :-\  *noob mechanic*

Also I cannot spot the thread on cutting the needle jet spring... can you post a link to the TT thread?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 18, 2009, 07:44:42 am
Martin, few picks of my rack here

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=39111.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=39111.0)

Worked well on it's maiden trip, and while packing I attached a rubber covered piece of hardboard (using saddles) to give me a flat surface on which to stand a 5l jerry can. (RPC Touring Tank - Red-Plastic-Container) Was a temporary measure and hardboard broke on a badly corrugated stretch, will get a flat alu plate to attach in the same way in future when doing long trips.

Found huge variance in consumption depending on speed and wind on last trip (I am not small and the bike was very loaded). On tar, keeping the speed between 110 and 120 I generally ran into reserve at around 140km, worst I had was into a headwind and then only got 110km before hitting reserve. On dirt, with speeds of between 80 and 90 I would hit reserve at 180 to 200km. Seems to be 3l left as reserve, so can calculate distanse based on current consumption.



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 18, 2009, 07:46:11 am
Kykdaar:I want to organize a DR-BASH!!  I am already trying to get all the westerncape DR's together at the same time once a month for some riding.But would be cool if there can be like a "DR-Bash",we should defnitly do that!

But anyway,im busy designing a rear-custom lugguage rack for my DR,but want to know why sum of u guys build these things so high up??
Anyway,can sum1 send me (kykdaar) sum close-up pics of their lugguage rack's,want to know what's gonna be the best for brackets holding the little flat plate in place...

Thanx :thumleft:

Then another thing ,If I go on a trip I  usually take a 10L plastic jerrycan with,but saw this 5L one u get at game,and I am gonna get me one of those now,I mean extra 5L is gonna be enough right?
Then it's 18L total,and If I work it out corectly,I'll be able to get between 270-280km in total?

Thanx,Ride Safe
Martin



Howzit Martin,

Would be lekker having a DR get-together. There are very few DR's around and thus not many opportunities to meet other DR owners and talk a bit of shop.   

I posted a fred on my "monster luggage rack" here - http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=33219.0

One thing I can say about it (and I think Ganjorra can attest to) is the fact that it is hellova strong.

I think an additional 5lt can adds more than enough fuel range in SA. On my 19 lt tank I get about 400-420km range (depending on driving speeds and terrain). Had the indignity of running out of fuel once and having to be towed by Blazes on his Dakkie, but this just adds to the fun of what we do.

Being a fan of minamilistic touring on thumpers, I believe that the little space we have for luggage should not be "wasted". In other words, rather get a larger fuel tank than take up space that could have been used for other purposes with an additional jerrycan - just my 2c.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 18, 2009, 07:48:11 am

Tell me where can I get a That IMS 19L tank you have? Still want to get 1 in the future. . .


Oh,1more thing, TO ALL THE DR OWNERS: How many kays do you get out of a tank before it go's on reserve ? ? ? ?

I get about 140/145 to 160 riding around here,and on a trip its a bit more 170-180km's  .  .  .  .

And I think crossed-up told me the reserve is about 35km's?


IMS tank organised trhough lecap (i don't have a credit card,  so overseas purchases are difficult) cost R3500,  at my house within a month.
on a standard tank i'd get around 160 - 170km before reserve and 35km on reserve.
with the IMS I get about 250km before hitting reserve.   I used the standard petcock with the IMS tank - reserve is still 35km...

slide drilled - see pic


I've been wanting to do this as I am looking for a bit more response out of my throttle.
Is this mod fairly simple to do though?

Could you maybe post a few quick directions on how to do it?
All I ever see is pics of how the slide must look, but I got no bloody idea on how to get to and get the slide out.  :-\  *noob mechanic*

Also I cannot spot the thread on cutting the needle jet spring... can you post a link to the TT thread?

drilling the slide is easy,  but i don't trust myself.   those meaty paws in the pic belong to my mechanic.
you have to loosen the clamps that hold the carb in place,  twist it so you can see the top,  take the top off,  remove the spring and needle jet,  whip out slide,  drill an EXTRA hole - it has 2 holes standard.
as for the 3 spring coils,  i'll have a squizz...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 18, 2009, 08:20:27 am
here's some links:

DR F.A.Q: http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705043

Carb Specific Wiki  page: http://dr650.wikia.com/wiki/Intake

enjoy...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 18, 2009, 09:27:03 am
Quote
Jenks,  i'd be very keen to hear how much you can get the pumper landed for,  also 39 or 40???   maybe a mini group buy...


That bike of yours looks hot! Kykdaar's as well. Lekker bonies!!!

That rack of yours looks very similar to kd's. Could you okes mail me the plans?? I may copy what kykdaar did. It really looks nice!

Regarding a group buy ... I think that is a great idea. I'll only have cash (if my house sale goes through) in Feb next year. Once the cash is available - I'll mail you and then contact procycle regarding a group buy. We can definitely talk about this!

I'll ride with you okes as soon as I get my learners sorted (again  >:(  )

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 18, 2009, 09:36:50 am
Hey inprogress.

I'm no carb fundie. Lecap will have lots of advice on this. Maybe pm him??

Regarding mileage. I used to get around 220 on a tank (stock tank) on the black bike. I'd also fill up at around 170ks.The blue bike is apparently slightly lighter - so I should get more mileage  :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on November 18, 2009, 11:44:02 am
6 - Wiggle it about but still no joy, so remove the cam chain tensioner

I'm sorry to hear you're struggling.  I believe the chain tensioner is an item to be careful with.  You only take it off when the motor is in some particular position and you never turn the motor when it's out - or so I heard.  I'm sure LeCap will provide the correct details.   This should also be in the service manual which you have.

Oh,1more thing, TO ALL THE DR OWNERS: How many kays do you get out of a tank before it go's on reserve ? ? ? ?

Yes, 17 km/l is typical for harder riding.  20 and even 23 is quite possible with harder tyres, and softer throttle.  Ridden very carefully 3l reserve will give up to 60 km.   I always calculated on 2l for reserve to be conservative.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 18, 2009, 01:36:48 pm
Hey CU, not to worry, I have a nack to find weird situations, I think given a few more years I can quite possible write a book called: Important tips to remember when doing, well, anything

It will be broadly marketed as I experience the same things in everything that I tackle.  :D

I think it is as you all suggest, now just to get it back the way it is supposed to be.

Happy trails.

6 - Wiggle it about but still no joy, so remove the cam chain tensioner

I'm sorry to hear you're struggling.  I believe the chain tensioner is an item to be careful with.  You only take it off when the motor is in some particular position and you never turn the motor when it's out - or so I heard.  I'm sure LeCap will provide the correct details.   This should also be in the service manual which you have.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 18, 2009, 03:59:21 pm
Hey CU, not to worry, I have a nack to find weird situations, I think given a few more years I can quite possible write a book called: Important tips to remember when doing, well, anything

It will be broadly marketed as I experience the same things in everything that I tackle.  :D

I think it is as you all suggest, now just to get it back the way it is supposed to be.

Happy trails.

6 - Wiggle it about but still no joy, so remove the cam chain tensioner

I'm sorry to hear you're struggling.  I believe the chain tensioner is an item to be careful with.  You only take it off when the motor is in some particular position and you never turn the motor when it's out - or so I heard.  I'm sure LeCap will provide the correct details.   This should also be in the service manual which you have.

Any chance of a vacuum pipe not connected ?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 18, 2009, 04:09:32 pm
Yes, but in my case, no. Its one of the two that I am getting use to pulling off and fishing for when I put it back on. Thanks though.

Happy trails
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 18, 2009, 07:35:40 pm
Thanx alot for the Info guys! :thumleft:

I will post a thread on my Rear luggauge rack-design soon . . .

And then the IMS-tank you say it's about R3500-Thats not bad at all,Will get one when I have money :deal:

Cheers :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2009, 01:24:37 pm
some one heard us muttering about carbs,  and whether to go mikuni TM-40 or keihin 39 FCR-mx...

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=848311

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 19, 2009, 01:50:48 pm
some one heard us muttering about carbs,  and whether to go mikuni TM-40 or keihin 39 FCR-mx...

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=848311



I'm going with the mikuni when the cash comes. It's a complete kit (including different needle sizes, cables, etc).

I think the pumper carb probably does away with any gearing change requirements because of the torque it delivers at low rpms (3k plus). The consensus on advrider is that either pumper carb makes a big difference in the usability of the dr's power. Can't wait! :3some:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2009, 02:00:47 pm
any word on the cost landed??
the mikuni...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 19, 2009, 02:06:52 pm
any word on the cost landed??
the mikuni...

Not yet. I think procycle will probably do a good deal if we group order. I'm very keen to get the mikuni, the motard wheel set, magnetic drain plug as starters - cash allowing. I should be in a position to buy in Feb. Don't know how that suits you, Ganjora??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 19, 2009, 02:15:45 pm
jan/feb
i'm easy,  like a slut.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 19, 2009, 02:21:34 pm
jan/feb
i'm easy,  like a slut.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 19, 2009, 02:41:57 pm
Jenks, you ever bought from Procycle before?

I was looking at the lowered footpegs this morning but did not order as I was not sure of their service.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 19, 2009, 03:13:38 pm
Jenks, you ever bought from Procycle before?

I was looking at the lowered footpegs this morning but did not order as I was not sure of their service.

No - but check one or two pages back. Someone did order and got discount from procycle. I've only read good things on advrider about procycle and kientech's services. Touch wood ...

I am definitely not going to use our post office though. Hopefully we can just use courier services and cut that bunch of thieves out of the loop. I presume that's the way it's done - couriers.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 19, 2009, 07:42:23 pm
This is a copy of the post on both Advrider and TT:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, man. It takes years of practising ignorance to get to my level of stupidity. Sometimes it pays to read the manual.

So I stripped of the tappet cover today/night and voala, cam chain has moved. Those two little lines don't level with the engine block.

So, proceed to remove the ACCT again, align the cam, untension the ACCT en reinstall the correct way. Reassembled everything again, idle screw at 1 3/4 turns. Petcock on on, press happy button on choke, voalla....brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbr
brbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbr

Remove choke after 20 seconds....brbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbb
rbbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrb

Point is, all is well in my little word of idiocricy.

Thanks for all the help to everyone, much appreciated.

Now one thing, I need to order a new crank case cover nut (that one you unscrew on the side of the case cover) cause mine was stuck, the allen hole semi rounded, and after it was finally rounded, I moerd the allen key through it and unscrewed it.

Definition of moerd: Past-tense. To hit something or someone. 'He got moerd the other day'. Moer being present tense. 'I will moer you!!!'

Thanks again for everyone entertaining this idiot. Now I want to order the parts and by the time I get back I should be able to install it all and go ride.


Thanks for everyone locally for the help, Lecap, Sidetrack for suggesting the ACCT. I R BABOON!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on November 19, 2009, 08:32:19 pm
Mmmm..

As I thought.  I'm pleased your bike is running again with no valves through the pistons or anything.  Well done.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 19, 2009, 08:41:11 pm
Nothing seems broken (except the cover I broke  :angry7:). And I learned something. Sorry, did you also suggest the ACCT? Thanks to you as well CU.

So we live and we learn. To bad its gonna be two weeks before I ride her again (going away and need to replace that cover), but its worth the wait. PLUS, I don't have that feeling of uncertainty with the bike anymore, you know, that feeling of thinking about what if something breaks, will it be easy to fix....type of feeling.

Happy trails all!!!

P.S. I might go and install a J&E 10.5:1 piston kit, if I do, I most certainly make a nice post of it. BUT, this is a big MAYBE
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on November 19, 2009, 10:35:33 pm
This is a copy of the post on both Advrider and TT:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, man. It takes years of practising ignorance to get to my level of stupidity. Sometimes it pays to read the manual.

So I stripped of the tappet cover today/night and voala, cam chain has moved. Those two little lines don't level with the engine block.

So, proceed to remove the ACCT again, align the cam, untension the ACCT en reinstall the correct way. Reassembled everything again, idle screw at 1 3/4 turns. Petcock on on, press happy button on choke, voalla....brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbr
brbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbr

Remove choke after 20 seconds....brbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbb
rbbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrbrbrbrbbrbrb

Point is, all is well in my little word of idiocricy.

Thanks for all the help to everyone, much appreciated.

Now one thing, I need to order a new crank case cover nut (that one you unscrew on the side of the case cover) cause mine was stuck, the allen hole semi rounded, and after it was finally rounded, I moerd the allen key through it and unscrewed it.

Definition of moerd: Past-tense. To hit something or someone. 'He got moerd the other day'. Moer being present tense. 'I will moer you!!!'

Thanks again for everyone entertaining this idiot. Now I want to order the parts and by the time I get back I should be able to install it all and go ride.


Thanks for everyone locally for the help, Lecap, Sidetrack for suggesting the ACCT. I R BABOON!
My invoice is on it's way  :biggrin: Happy riding.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 20, 2009, 10:10:47 am
Inprgress:  did you ever find out what was causing your starter to shriek?   this morning mine was also making strange noises...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 20, 2009, 02:39:51 pm
Not yet no. A bloke on Advrider, or TT, not sure now, mentioned that it might be the starter clutch that I'm hearing. I will have to investigate when I get back. Will keep you posted as to my findings. I wanted to strip out the starter and let it run in my hand to determine if it is the starter.

Other than that, I have no clue.

Happy trails

Inprgress:  did you ever find out what was causing your starter to shriek?   this morning mine was also making strange noises...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Adventurer on November 20, 2009, 03:04:19 pm
Hope you don't mind if I hang out here for a while, I have a brand new DR 650 to test, only done 100km on it so far, weather is to kark to ride it properly.....
Question, that little switch on the RHS of the carb that gets actuated at full throttle, what does it do?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 20, 2009, 03:15:56 pm
Hope you don't mind if I hang out here for a while, I have a brand new DR 650 to test, only done 100km on it so far, weather is to kark to ride it properly.....
Question, that little switch on the RHS of the carb that gets actuated at full throttle, what does it do?

Ignites the afterburner..so use with due caution  :ricky:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 20, 2009, 03:24:55 pm
seen it
wondered about it
forgotten about
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 20, 2009, 03:26:53 pm
seen it
wondered about it
forgotten about

+1

Calling LeCap
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 20, 2009, 03:30:29 pm
Found one thread on ADVRider that says that it's purpose is to "retard the ignition in the first three gears at full throttle"

and on DR650faq.pbworks.com...

The carburator has a microswitch that's activated by a cam when the throttle is wide open. What is it for and how do I disable it?
It's an ignition retarder. It retards the ignition at full throttle in second and third over a certain rpm. They say for pollution purposes (most probably noise).

To disable it mount the actuating arm 180 degrees around.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Adventurer on November 20, 2009, 03:33:41 pm
That makes sense, when I floored it in 1st 2nd and 3rd, it did seem to bog a bit, although the revs weren't on the limiter yet...is there a rev limiter?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 20, 2009, 05:03:04 pm
Hope you don't mind if I hang out here for a while, I have a brand new DR 650 to test, only done 100km on it so far, weather is to kark to ride it properly.....
Question, that little switch on the RHS of the carb that gets actuated at full throttle, what does it do?

Ignites the afterburner..so use with due caution  :ricky:



Hahaha - no it's apparently a rev limiter. I read only the ausie bikes have that. I've got the US specced bike (grey import) and it doesn't have that attachment. EDIT - Ok a retarder ... makes sense.

Easiest way to spot the different bikes ... the Ausie bonies have a neat dr250 tail lite. We get the ausie spec.

The US bikes have a farking ugly tail light blob that harks back to the 80s.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on November 20, 2009, 05:11:24 pm
Speaking of that anyone know where is the best place to pick up one of those DRZ250 tail lights?

It's apparently just a bolt on mod, and I REALLY want one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 20, 2009, 05:13:34 pm
Speaking of that anyone know where is the best place to pick up one of those DRZ250 tail lights?

It's apparently just a bolt on mod, and I REALLY want one.

procycle has em. Sheesh - I should consider setting up an agency  :deal:.

Alternatively a second hand/spares shop. I'll race you to the bike hospital. Ready, steady, go ...  :ricky:

BTW - it's a dr250 not drz, hey.  Otherwise you might get the wrong thing
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on November 20, 2009, 05:57:44 pm

Question, that little switch on the RHS of the carb that gets actuated at full throttle, what does it do?

I understand it can be disconnected by unplugging the connector where it joins the rest of the wiring. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 20, 2009, 08:16:40 pm
who's dunnit yet?

Question, that little switch on the RHS of the carb that gets actuated at full throttle, what does it do?

I understand it can be disconnected by unplugging the connector where it joins the rest of the wiring. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 20, 2009, 11:48:48 pm
I have. That switch thingy on the side of the carb? I have, unintentionally. The two bolts basically sheared off and I haven't put the switch back. The bike should ride tomorrow (which is in 12 mintures) and I can tell you what happens.

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on November 21, 2009, 05:25:07 am
I unplugged mine. Havent revved it high enough in low gears since to notice if something changed.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on November 21, 2009, 01:43:58 pm
Jenks, you ever bought from Procycle before?

I was looking at the lowered footpegs this morning but did not order as I was not sure of their service.

No - but check one or two pages back. Someone did order and got discount from procycle. I've only read good things on advrider about procycle and kientech's services. Touch wood ...

I am definitely not going to use our post office though. Hopefully we can just use courier services and cut that bunch of thieves out of the loop. I presume that's the way it's done - couriers.

Whatever you guys do, do not emulate me and loose your tracking number. About three months ago I ordered about R2 500-00 worth of stuff from Procycle and have not seen it as of yet. Unlikely to either. Without the tracking number I have no idea where to start looking for the parcel. I sent an email to Procycle requesting the tracking number but did not get a reply. To make matters worse I spoke to a guy from customs and he said that they open unclaimed parcels after three months and auction off the goods. Rather stick with a well known courier in SA like DHL.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 23, 2009, 07:59:59 am
Serviced the bike yesterday (only cost me R41.00 for the oil filter as I already had the engine and air filter oils ;D) and decided to get rid of the sidestand and clutch switches as well.

Who needs the added headache of switches? In the unlikely event that my bike does not want to start in future, at least I know that it will not be due to some switch. Think of it as enhancing the DR's reliability even more ;D

Had to phone Ganjorra when I got a bit confused, but here is another  description of the procedure -

Sidestand switch -

- remove seat;
- follow the wires up from the sidestand switch to a green connector sitting just behind and below the fuel tank;
- disconnect;
- take the male connector and the two wires attached to it (i.e. the wires leading down to the sidestand switch) and cut those two wires a few centimetres below the connector.
- Join the two pieces of cut wires permanently together; and
- re-connect the male and female connector;
- sidestand switch is now history. The remainder of the wires leading down to the now defunct sidestand switch can be rolled up and taped up/secured with a cable tie.

Clutch lever switch -

- take of headlamp cowl;
- undo strap and remove the protective canvass / plastic covering;
- follow the wires from the clutch switch to the wiring harnass;
- disconnect both wires from their respective male/female connectors in the wiring harnass;
- roll up and tape / secure
- connect the male and female wires from the wiring harnass together;
- clutch switch killed :thumleft:     

 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 23, 2009, 12:39:50 pm
Nice one kd. I'll do the same once I've done making me new rack and skidplate. Here's the rack so far. I call it the scary face rack  :eek7: ...

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/rackbluebike.jpg)

Just checking it all lines up after tacking on the arms. The one arm is slightly out of line - so I'll have to redo it  

:-\ More heating and bending. Then more cutting and drilling ... filing, sanding, cleaning, ... undercoating and painting ... EISH!!!

The one rectangular and two circular holes are to lighten the rack. It's still quite stiff despite those holes. The plate is 2mm mild steel and the arms are 2cm flat bar (3mm thick). The flate plate will be hidden underneath the mounting plate of the top box - so no chance of being sliced in half by 'ol scary face.

I've designed the rack so it'll sit about three millimetres above the rear mudguard and will attach to the rear frame arch underneath the fender via a longer nut (the small central hole between the rack's "eyes" is where the nut goes in  :3some: This offers central mass support by spreading some of the weight onto that arch. It'll make the rack capable of carrying some serious weight. It also lowers the centre of gravity quite significantly. I'll add some protection foam to the bottom of the rack when it's done to protect the mudguard.

I didn't realise it at the time, but the top box I bought from Megabike is actually designed for an africa twin. So the holes are all to  line up with the twin's baseplate. It also has ready made attachment areas for panniers. I don't think I'll need em (travel light) - but nice to know it's an option.  :deal:

BTW - do you guys think I'll be able to do some 45 degree bends on that flat bar using a blowtorch (I want to bend the arms so they match snugly with the rear bolt holes.

cheers okes
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 23, 2009, 02:09:03 pm
Quote
Whatever you guys do, do not emulate me and loose your tracking number.

Yikes. Mmmm having second thoughts on this now ... I know one can purchase insurance. That's probably a good idea.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 23, 2009, 02:43:11 pm
Help please, can someone post a picture of the speedo cable at the point where it passes the front mudguard.

Just noticed a hole in the mudguard and cable flapping around...guess there must be some sort of clip there that has fallen out.  ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 23, 2009, 02:49:27 pm
Help please, can someone post a picture of the speedo cable at the point where it passes the front mudguard.

Just noticed a hole in the mudguard and cable flapping around...guess there must be some sort of clip there that has fallen out.  ???

I noticed on my second bike (an 07 US model)  that there is a clip on the guard fastening the speedo cable. My black dr (my previous bike - an 08 model and Ausie spec) didn't have that clip either.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 23, 2009, 02:55:38 pm
Help please, can someone post a picture of the speedo cable at the point where it passes the front mudguard.

Just noticed a hole in the mudguard and cable flapping around...guess there must be some sort of clip there that has fallen out.  ???

I noticed on my second bike (an 07 US model)  that there is a clip on the guard fastening the speedo cable. My black dr (my previous bike - an 08 model and Ausie spec) didn't have that clip either.

Cool, thanks, won't worry then, thought it must have broken off together with the number plate on the bad roads last week. :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on November 23, 2009, 07:20:43 pm
Jenks, you ever bought from Procycle before?

I was looking at the lowered footpegs this morning but did not order as I was not sure of their service.

No - but check one or two pages back. Someone did order and got discount from procycle. I've only read good things on advrider about procycle and kientech's services. Touch wood ...

I am definitely not going to use our post office though. Hopefully we can just use courier services and cut that bunch of thieves out of the loop. I presume that's the way it's done - couriers.

Whatever you guys do, do not emulate me and loose your tracking number. About three months ago I ordered about R2 500-00 worth of stuff from Procycle and have not seen it as of yet. Unlikely to either. Without the tracking number I have no idea where to start looking for the parcel. I sent an email to Procycle requesting the tracking number but did not get a reply. To make matters worse I spoke to a guy from customs and he said that they open unclaimed parcels after three months and auction off the goods. Rather stick with a well known courier in SA like DHL.

I have ordered stuff from Procycle (including IMS tank) and I got excellent service from them.  I got a confirmation e-mail on placing my order.  My packet arrived at the George Post Office within a week of me ordering.  After 2 weeks I collected it at the Post Office.  During that time the Post Office did not yet manage to put the paper in my post box to inform me that it arrived.

Procycle's computer calculates the shipping as you add stuff.  After I received my parcel, I noticed that actual shipping was less that computer calculated due to combined shipping.  I send Procycle an e-mail and Jeff himself promptly replied and offered to refund me, so that I only pay actual shipping.  In that way I did not pay shipping for the extras like Twinair   filter and 14t sprocket when it was shipped with the tank.   He appeared a very nice guy to do business with and that is the general consensus on Thumpertalk also.   If he did not respond to your email, send him another one.  I need a jet kit for the FCR carb and intend ordering it.  If any of you order something from Procycle please let me know, perhaps we can combine shipping in some way.  The Post Office remains the weak link.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 23, 2009, 07:37:37 pm
So you have the pumper carb, Hagar?? Is it all it's claimed to be?

Regarding a group order. I'm very keen - when I have the cash - probably only in Feb though. Can one bypass the post orifice, I mean, office, and just use couriers?

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on November 23, 2009, 09:53:10 pm
So you have the pumper carb, Hagar?? Is it all it's claimed to be?

Do not know yet.  Mine left the US on the 18th of November at 10:00.  Now it is in the hands of the Post Office/ Customs.  Who knows where it is now.  Bought on ebay.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on November 24, 2009, 09:01:25 am
Inprgress:  did you ever find out what was causing your starter to shriek?   this morning mine was also making strange noises...

This bikes starter started to shriek at about 15000km. Always has been like that for something like five years and 50000km (?) now. The noise is definitely caused by the starter clutch but it seems as if it does not really cause issues ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 24, 2009, 09:30:45 am
Inprgress:  did you ever find out what was causing your starter to shriek?   this morning mine was also making strange noises...

This bikes starter started to shriek at about 15000km. Always has been like that for something like five years and 50000km (?) now. The noise is definitely caused by the starter clutch but it seems as if it does not really cause issues ???

mine started at 13000km.   but it's only if the bike is cold.   you say it causes no issues,  so I'll sleep well again.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 24, 2009, 09:31:16 am
Hagar:  keep us up to date on the carb.   
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 24, 2009, 09:33:18 am
Inprgress:  did you ever find out what was causing your starter to shriek?   this morning mine was also making strange noises...

This bikes starter started to shriek at about 15000km. Always has been like that for something like five years and 50000km (?) now. The noise is definitely caused by the starter clutch but it seems as if it does not really cause issues ???

mine started at 13000km.   but it's only if the bike is cold.   you say it causes no issues,  so I'll sleep well again.

No issues on mine - standing at 15000km currently.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on November 28, 2009, 11:27:17 am
Well, seems my bike ran perfectly fine with said switch on the side of the carb unplugged. I, meaning me as well, haven't pushed the bike real hard to see what happens, but without that switch on the carb it seems all hunkydory.

The noise from the starter/starter clutch isn't an issue and doesn't seem to affect anything whatsoever, except my need for all things to be quiet.

Happy trails.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on November 28, 2009, 11:34:22 am
Wow I'll be doing some reading here. I'm getting my DR next week. My oh my but time can seem to go sooo slowly sometimes  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Adventurer on November 28, 2009, 02:39:37 pm
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on November 28, 2009, 05:27:05 pm
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

1870.5km
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on November 28, 2009, 11:30:20 pm
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

what was the longest stretch you rode her for?   amazingly I find the DR a bit more comfy than the KLR....
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 30, 2009, 07:04:40 am
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

Yip - I stand regularly, just to keep monkey butt at bay. I've ridden 600 km stretches at a time. You can get around the seat issue quite easily - just by resting your butt regularly. The dr is still the perfect bike for me. Rugged, lowish, light and flickable.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 30, 2009, 07:05:34 am
Wow I'll be doing some reading here. I'm getting my DR next week. My oh my but time can seem to go sooo slowly sometimes  :biggrin:

Congrats!! You'll love her, I'm sure  :thumleft:

Check out the MASSIVE dr650 thread on advrider. Some of the regular contributors from the US and OZ really know their stuff!       

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=1969
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on November 30, 2009, 07:28:39 am
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

In my case it is probably stupidity :biggrin:

Did a trip to Dullstroom yesterday - 540km for the day. Was good :thumleft:

So Adventurer, what is your impressions of our beloved DR. Please share.   
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 30, 2009, 07:30:36 am
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

In my case it is probably stupidity :biggrin:

Did a trip to Dullstroom yesterday - 540km for the day. Was good :thumleft:

So Adventurer, what is your impressions of our beloved DR. Please share.   

I was going to ask the same thing KD  :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on November 30, 2009, 07:36:41 am
Ok, the DR650 has gone back, must say, to ride that thing far, you must be one TUUUFFF MOFO!

....or STUPID MOFO  ;D

Most I have done in one go is about 550km...used an airhawk so the wind was worse than the seat
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on November 30, 2009, 05:19:58 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=36776.0

Thats the most I have ever done on my DR :pot: :pot: :deal:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on November 30, 2009, 05:40:05 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=36776.0

Thats the most I have ever done on my DR :pot: :pot: :deal:


OK ... you win  ;D Nice skidplate, btw. Where did you get it?? And the can - looks very similar to mine.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: vukko on December 01, 2009, 03:11:05 pm

The Mikuni pumper card mod, available from procycle in the US, includes a range of jetting options for different altitudes. So you probably will get a slight power increase, in fact. But the big bonus I've read about online is the improved delivery across the rev range - allowing for power wheelies (if you're that way inclined) or lofting the front wheel over a log, etc (more my mission). This also negates the need for gearing changes as the bike won't bog down on low speed, technical trails.

Oh, and in case you're wondering ... no, I don't work for procycle  :biggrin:

Try Stefan Hessler for this carb, he is a DR expert and it's a bit cheaper than the R6K you mentioned from the US: http://www.hessler-motorsport.de/shop/product_info.php?products_id=712&XTCsid=7b26bd5b98123e98a270385ab500e48e
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on December 02, 2009, 11:19:28 am
OK ... you win  ;D Nice skidplate, btw. Where did you get it?? And the can - looks very similar to mine.
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Made it myself :deal:,3mm aluminium,got sum1 to weld it for me on both sides,max ground clearance,Im well happy :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on December 02, 2009, 11:21:08 am
Have my own custom Rear-luggage rack designed at Waterjet,gonna fit it tomorrow and will post soon!! :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 02, 2009, 06:54:43 pm
Quote
Made it myself :deal:,3mm aluminium,got sum1 to weld it for me on both sides,max ground clearance,Im well happy :thumleft:

Good job!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 10, 2009, 06:16:27 pm
Have my own custom Rear-luggage rack designed at Waterjet,gonna fit it tomorrow and will post soon!! :pot: :pot:

Have you fitted it yet?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on December 10, 2009, 07:37:12 pm
Have my own custom Rear-luggage rack designed at Waterjet,gonna fit it tomorrow and will post soon!! :pot: :pot:

Have you fitted it yet?

Fitted it today! 8),Is strong as hell,and looks farking sexy!! :pot:

Will get someone to post the pics,I dont have time for photobucket . . .
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 11, 2009, 08:59:46 am
Here's mine with new polisport handguards fitted. Perfect colour match!  :)

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/IMAG0258.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on December 11, 2009, 09:06:39 am
Looks lekka Jenks :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 11, 2009, 09:59:15 am
Lookiing Good.
That ring you have the bike locked to is a good idea.  Did you install it?

When are you doing your licence (I'm sure you have not ridden it yet.  Being a law abiding citizen and all that ;):)

Three more sleeps before I get mine.  :biggrin:   My learners expired so I'm lookig for some 125cc stickers to put on it.  
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 11, 2009, 10:57:34 am
Thanks

Ja I made that base myself. I'm thinking of making another for the other side. The bike stands in clear view in my driveway :(

I was late for the licence test earlier this month, so I had to rebook - for the 21st. What a pita. Of course I haven't ridden the bike ... being an upstanding citizen  :deal:  ... not at all  :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on December 11, 2009, 03:34:52 pm
shit,  all of a sudden DR threads all over.

they're becoming popular at last.

soon the SSS will no longer be secret...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on December 11, 2009, 03:48:16 pm
shit,  all of a sudden DR threads all over.

they're becoming popular at last.

soon the SSS will no longer be secret...

.........soon we will take over the world >:D

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 11, 2009, 04:15:05 pm
The dr's lack of popularity here is Suzuki's fault. They stopped bringing them in some years ago and only reintroduced the dr around two years ago. Dealers in Australia can't get enough of them. Fugging Ausies  >:(

Bad news tho', boys - there's a lot of talk in advrider that Zook will introduce a major revision in two years time. Mainly because of US emission regulations that require fuel injection.

Personally I hope that's the only change they make to my beloved dr! (Oh forgot the seat - change that seat!!!)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on December 11, 2009, 05:03:09 pm
Hi Folks. I was just wondering if there was anyone in this topic who had modified a standard DR650 exhaust. I found the standard one just so quiet that one battles to hear the engine revs when using ear plugs. The aftermarket ones, even with a baffle, go to the other extreme and are very loud (tried an Airage and Cowley). The FMF Q4 would probably be just about right but that is about R5 500-00. I was thinking of drilling one or two 4mm holes at the back of the exhaust and just putting rivets in the holes if it did not work. Any ideas of suggestions would be welcome.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 11, 2009, 05:14:30 pm
Rob

I have a South African made Tornado. Got it with the second bike.

Highly recommended. Nice deep note. Not loud, but full of character.

Shouldn't be too expensive

http://www.tornadodevelopments.co.za/
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on December 11, 2009, 05:46:40 pm
Thanks Jenks - will have a look at it. Also saw this on the web.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=474551&highlight=dr650+standard+exhaust
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on December 13, 2009, 10:37:58 am

If any of you order something from Procycle please let me know, perhaps we can combine shipping in some way.  The Post Office remains the weak link.


Hi guys, same for me. If anyone is ordering from kientech or procycle, please let me know. Have been looking at some of the goodies, and have some cash available.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Captain Zef on December 13, 2009, 01:30:06 pm
:peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on December 13, 2009, 03:38:45 pm
:peepwall:

To All Dr's
A general warning!
There seems to be a peeping tom doing the rounds. Keep your bikes chained up. And never go anywhere without your knopkierie!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Captain Zef on December 13, 2009, 04:25:06 pm
:peepwall:

To All Dr's
A general warning!
There seems to be a peeping tom doing the rounds. Keep your bikes chained up. And never go anywhere without your knopkierie!

I am waiting for one of the DR riders to do something stupid..... like sell it.... to me ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Kykdaar on December 14, 2009, 08:18:32 am
I am waiting for one of the DR riders to do something stupid..... like sell it.... to me ;D

Cappie, you got a better chance of finding a girlfriend :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on December 14, 2009, 09:15:22 am
:laughing4:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 14, 2009, 06:01:59 pm
Any one want to guess why I had a huge smile on my face when I got to work this morning?


(hint  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=41394.msg809456#msg809456)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 14, 2009, 06:48:38 pm
Winner! That's a good price :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on December 20, 2009, 12:15:04 am
I will have to replace my rings pretty soon. Question is though, IF it so happens that I will have to replace my piston, do I go for the JE high compression piston or just chuck a standard one back in there? Personally I find the power delivery no issue at all. And with the high compression piston I an wary that there will be extra stresses on the John Deere like motor that I don't need. What does the jury conclude: Standard piston or High compression piston. Scope: Will it negatively affect the reliability of the motor or other workings if a high compression piston is fitted.

Thanks all.

Happy trails.

P.S. Griffin I still owe you a manual, so sorry, will burn it tomorrow. I'm house hunting.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Crossed-up on December 20, 2009, 08:14:50 am
Your whole motor is old.  Stay away from performance mods.  Just rings and valve-stem seals should do the trick.  Then your motor should see you past 100K.
Follow the doctors' code, minimise your intervention and do no harm.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 20, 2009, 08:34:47 am
Standard piston or High compression piston.

From what I have read the secret to these babies is K.I.S.S
Keep It Simple and Standard if you want long life and reliability. Speak to the DR Guru Lecape. He took the head off a standard motor that had done 140 000 km execting to have to do a rebore and fit an oversized piston. There was minimal wear on piston and cylinder and every thing was within toerances .

The guys who designed these motors know what they are doing.

PS no rush with manual.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on December 20, 2009, 11:11:28 am
I am leaning towards staying standard. My aim is reliability. Its a playful tourer, not a WR450R  :drif:

I'm not sure if it does need a rebuild or new rings, I only suspect it to need it, haven't done any testing to say for sure, and I can't keep off the throttle for a full month to see if its just me revving to that spot where all thumpers use a little oil by design. Maybe I should get a RPM counter.....I wonder......

Thanks for the replies. Now waiting to see if LeCap will pop in on the thread.

Happy trails.

P.S. CrossedUp, how you enjoying the new ride, especially now that the newness of it has passed I would think?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on December 21, 2009, 09:08:57 am
Don't go high compression.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on December 21, 2009, 03:12:19 pm
Howzit all Dr's

Just thought I'd let you all know, I'm legal again. Passed the learners AGAIN  ::) after letting it lapse because I couldn't get a drivers' booking through the lack of services centre.

So I can finally ride again. But that dr is still running VERY rich! Definitely need to check the jets and needle.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on December 22, 2009, 05:44:21 am
so,  yesterday i reckon i set a new 'longest distance on a DR' record

rode from Groblershoop in the northern cape S28 53.725 E21 59.039,  to home in chartwell north (next door to dainfern)
total distance for the day according to the Garmin GPS 855km (a few detours)
total time 10hours and some change (got off the bike and had a beer before checking the exact time.
left at 05H15 and arrived 15H30ish
the stretch between kimberly and potch was very unpleasant - heavy side winds which had me down to 70 - 90kph for 120km of that between christiana and wolmaranstad.
neck was aching from fighting the cross winds.  had visions of getting taken out like cave girl...
When i got off the bike,  I still felt like i could do up to a thousand for the day.

good sleep the night before.   left early before the sun could hurt - got some easy miles in.   had a 10l jerry in addition to my IMS tank (nearly ran out of fuel - thank goodness for the jerry).   did a minimum of 120km between rest breaks.   put the jerry can between my luggage roll and my back.   used it as a backrest,  MUCH more comfortable - lean back hold the throttle open and watch the scenery change.

855KM - who's gonna beat that???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Captain Zef on December 22, 2009, 06:09:17 am
Bliksem Dave jy is yster maat....
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on December 22, 2009, 07:17:59 am
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=7514.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=7514.0)

I did 805 km but it was on a 400 so that's worth an extra 100 km  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on December 22, 2009, 07:19:08 am
Not even going to try Dave  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on December 22, 2009, 07:28:44 am
If this was with the standard seat then you deserve an Iron Butt award.  :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on December 22, 2009, 07:36:39 am
Did 640km from Hobatere to Swakop.
Only the last 73 km (6k's on the Cape Cross road and then Henties Bay to Swakop) on salt, rest dirt. Some sightseeing detours en route. Tough.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 22, 2009, 08:52:10 am
 
855KM - who's gonna beat that???

 :o  Not me.  (I think this gives you high priest status in the SSS)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on December 22, 2009, 10:45:27 am
I think I will take you up on the challenge. Let me see, what route will I take and what backup plan will I need in case I just can't sit anymore......think I will take a pillow.

So far I have been under the impression that there is an Iron Butt award for real, or is it a hoax?

Will let you know what I am gonna do, need to ride to Mosselbay in a couple of days.

Happy trails.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on December 22, 2009, 12:08:48 pm
IP: go for it. :thumleft:
i recon 1000km is eaily do-able
already thinking of a JHB to CT run...

shall we set the rules at:
a standard seat - no pillows/airhawks allowed
a full 24hour period
Garmin/Tom Tom - not odometer reading (accurate measurement,  and if disputed you can post the evidence)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on December 22, 2009, 12:52:46 pm
Fitted it today! 8),Is strong as hell,and looks farking sexy!! :pot:

Will get someone to post the pics,I dont have time for photobucket . . .

Hurry up and post the pics!

I might just ask them to cut me a duplicate. ;)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 22, 2009, 12:59:35 pm
Fitted it today! 8),Is strong as hell,and looks farking sexy!! :pot:

Will get someone to post the pics,I dont have time for photobucket . . .

Hurry up and post the pics!

I might just ask them to cut me a duplicate. ;)






http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42082.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42082.0)

I'm also interested on one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on December 22, 2009, 03:47:39 pm
Ahh ok that looks pretty good. :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on December 22, 2009, 05:02:53 pm
Ahh ok that looks pretty good. :)

 :thumleft: :thumleft:

Im second overall with a 750km's in 1day on my standard DR seat.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on December 22, 2009, 11:03:56 pm
Let the planning begin, either this Thursday or a few days after that.

Standard seat. Garmin 60. PE to Mosselbay via X, Y, and Z; Mosselbay to Sutherland or Cederberg via X, Y, and Z.

Will post as soon as I am victorious  :pot:

Happy trails everyone.

P.S. Who has maybe a spare header pipe lying around I could borrow sometime in the future? I want to ceramic coat mine inside and out but don't want my bike to stand the period.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 23, 2009, 02:37:07 pm
A picture of the new baby in its natural habitat.   ;D ;D

(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad76/GriffinSA/17122009198.jpg)

This is how it arrived last Sunday evening.  All it needs are some decent handguards and a bash plate.  Luggage rack and a bigger tank can follow later.  

Only change since the picture is an upgrade to a CA number plate and added a pooratech GPS mount.  

 :-[ :-[ :-[ Sorry about the size of the picture.  Still trying to figure out photobucket.  ::)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on December 23, 2009, 02:42:00 pm
Nice rear tyre! :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on December 23, 2009, 02:59:34 pm
Thats a very aggressive back for such a road biased front...  ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on December 23, 2009, 04:59:28 pm
HID conversion?

Any experience?
Costs?
Alternatives?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 23, 2009, 05:17:14 pm
Thats a very aggressive back for such a road biased front...  ???

Well it is a Dual Purpose bike  ;)

It is brilliant in the sand but I dont think it will last long on tar and gravel. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on December 23, 2009, 05:19:02 pm
HID conversion?

Any experience?
Costs?
Alternatives?

No experience and I dont see a need at the moment.  Maybe later. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on December 24, 2009, 06:38:56 am
check this out,  FI for the DR!!!

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on December 24, 2009, 06:41:22 am
A picture of the new baby in its natural habitat.   ;D ;D

beautiful,  but i'm obviously biased.
what is particularly sexy,  is that 2 bros pipe you have there.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Captain Zef on December 31, 2009, 12:20:51 pm
So who will sell one to me? >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on January 01, 2010, 01:48:00 pm
beautiful,  but i'm obviously biased.
what is particularly sexy,  is that 2 bros pipe you have there.

Sorry missed this.  It is a  Two Bros pipe. It also came with Zeta high rise bars. I've replaced the ice cream scoops with Polysports and put on a Poora GPS mount and power cable. Lecape is making me a bash guard. I've done about 1200km mixed tar and gravel in two weeks and had two offs. Bruises to foot and shin (I  need better boots) but no damage to the bike.  I love it.

Sexy it is. Even came with shiny blue nipple caps on the valves.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on January 01, 2010, 01:53:22 pm
So who will sell one to me? >:D

Not me. I would not swap it for any other bike. (not even a brand new DR) Keep looking. Your bike is out there somewhere.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 04, 2010, 12:24:37 pm
check this out,  FI for the DR!!!

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903)

It's official ... Mx_rob is a god  :farao:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on January 04, 2010, 04:22:48 pm
check this out,  FI for the DR!!!

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903)

There goes the DR's impeccable reliability  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 06, 2010, 08:35:30 am
check this out,  FI for the DR!!!

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=857903)

There goes the DR's impeccable reliability  :biggrin:

Well, that depends on how you ride the bike. I would like a little more responsiveness low down in the rev range. A wide open throttle is not my thing.

BTW ...I spoke to a machy at DNA yesterday who said he'd met some okes who'd gone on a mission to wreck their Drs - and failed!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 09, 2010, 03:13:00 pm
This is PLAB , Personalised Lightweight Adventure Bike.

And my first stab at uploading a pic.

Bike is heavily modified to save every kilo possible...but first see if the pic will load !?

(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae199/Veemax/PLAB7.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 09, 2010, 03:18:42 pm
Ah, that worked!

So, whaddya think ?

Too all the DR650SE owners ..... is it not a wonderful thing to have a SIMPLE  and RELIABLE bike eh ?

How many Can-Bus GS's do you know that Die in the Wilderness due to too much Technology !

Hello, 0800 number in ANGOLA ? Good luck with that.

In Africa, Less is More, and the DR is king.

It doesn't even have a goddamn water pump that can leak ! Carbs and Tappets....like in em old days !

Yessssss.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 09, 2010, 04:01:32 pm
what an absolutely sexy bike.
checks all the boxes: simple, strong, reliable.
fark,  i have a hard on...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on January 09, 2010, 04:26:16 pm
Veemax

How is the paint on the tank holding up, what did you use?  I like your petrol guage!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 09, 2010, 04:29:37 pm
This is PLAB , Personalised Lightweight Adventure Bike.

And my first stab at uploading a pic.

Bike is heavily modified to save every kilo possible...but first see if the pic will load !?

(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae199/Veemax/PLAB7.jpg)


How much weight did you save?
What mods?
What did it cost?
Why was it worth it?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 10, 2010, 11:38:54 am
Hiya

Some details for you...

Front to back ....

-Mirrors off and replaced by 2 x Omnivision mirrors down there on the bars on aluminium brackets
-Clutch lockout switch bye bye
-Bar end weights discarded and replaced by home turned aluminium ones
-IMS 19.6L clear tank painted with 'Duco' , a nitrocellulose paint, which resists dissolution with Hydrocarbons , so far so good, other paint doesn't work...again, low tech rules ! The fuel 'guage' is simply put there by masking tape.
-Sump Guard, drilled with hole saw ( use parafin to lube and it works! )
-Major carb mods ( needle, slide drilled, rejet, full throttle switch amputation ) and airbox mods, including screen out, and K&N type filter ( I don't ride in other guys dust ). Haven't dyno'd it yet but from my experience with a KLR where I got +11.3bhp, I figure + 7 bhp here ? I've tweaked it rather lean at mid throttle for Hot and High riding and get 411km range on the IMS with ease. At FULL throttle it's probably about right running a 150 main. Only a Dyno run will tell me exactly, of course, but I must be right within 5 numbers?
- Custom link pipe and Staintune zorst made up by Geoff Talbot in CT , but I drilled his baffle out after some testing...
-Passenger Pegs off, replaced by small cap screws.
-Major subframe mods , OEM flickers replaced by EU Spec smaller oners, flicker mounts moved way forward, and a lot of metal removed here!
- Luggage rack heavily modified to accept either topbox ( for town work ) or Soft luggage for tough stuff. Note eyes welded on to accept a single cam-lock tiedown. Topbox is way forward from 'normal' to centralize mass and I never lift a passenger anyway, not on this bike.
- I have a number plate arrangement for an SABS plate option involving a hinge so it's up there behind the topbox, doubling up as a closure backup with a bonnet catch, or in Soft Luggage mode for hard dirt away from the LAW, I use a tiny number plate under the fender held on by two screws. Going from one to the other takes 30 seconds a 10mm spanner and screwdriver.
-Sidestand lockout switch is gone and the metal removed from the frame where it was mounted
-Chainguard a bit shortened to aid wheel removal in the bush

I weighed in at > 7 kg lighter in the end, ( floorscale at work ) , but put a kilo or two back with the bash plate.

The bike keeps pace with my 45bhp KLR ( 33 stock ) in a flat out dice on a long incline ( Glencairn highway! ) , although it makes less beeaitchpee, the light weight makes it accelrate just as well and the top speed is just as good due to tiny frontal area.

Love this bike, definite Lifer. Its way better quality than the KLR and in the dirt it's light weight rules, I even prefer it to my KTM640 in technical sections , mainly because it's not so far to fall. The KTM wins races of course with more power and better suspension but this is THE bike that does it all, and a clutch lever doesn't cost R800 like a KTM's , if you get my meaning.

I might one day modify the cam and raise compression for some more poke, but am not too motivated right now as it may be a shame to loose the bottom end smooth grunt it delivers.

Love this bike, did I say that already ? : )


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on January 10, 2010, 11:50:53 am
You shoul all have bought drz's! Mine weighs in at 118kg and is faster than the dr in every aspect...and the suspension is also allot better ::)
:pot:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 10, 2010, 12:03:17 pm
I agree with you 90% , but the DR650SE on the open tar road has bigger lungs for a much better ability to ride all day at 120 !?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on January 10, 2010, 12:06:13 pm
Jaja i know..whas just trying to stir hehe. The dr ist for grown up (mature people) and the drz is for kiddies ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 10, 2010, 12:44:06 pm
very nice indeed.
many mods...   
powerpoint?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 10, 2010, 01:00:45 pm
Lovely bike veemax! Looks mean in that black! A seven kilo saving!! WOW :)

Big ups on your fuel gauge. Keep us up to date on how that black paint fares on the tank!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on January 10, 2010, 03:42:27 pm
You shoul all have bought drz's! Mine weighs in at 118kg and is faster than the dr in every aspect...and the suspension is also allot better ::)
:pot:

Bhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on January 10, 2010, 04:03:41 pm
You shoul all have bought drz's! Mine weighs in at 118kg and is faster than the dr in every aspect...and the suspension is also allot better ::)
:pot:

Bhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:

Ont
You shoul all have bought drz's! Mine weighs in at 118kg and is faster than the dr in every aspect...and the suspension is also allot better ::)
:pot:

Bhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:

Onthou jy daai dag op die N7.....?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on January 10, 2010, 05:11:47 pm
Very nice VMax. You've given me lots to think about. I do not understand  the number plate arraingement "doubling up as a closure backup with a bonnet catch,"
Can you explain?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on January 10, 2010, 08:00:41 pm
You shoul all have bought drz's! Mine weighs in at 118kg and is faster than the dr in every aspect...and the suspension is also allot better ::)
:pot:

Bhahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bs:

Onthou jy daai dag op die N7.....?
[/quote]

Ons was langs mekaar! >:D all the way sover ek reg onthou!  :deal:

Jou bike het net meer torque ;) En hys nog ligter!!

Maar ons moet weer dais! Die keer ordentlik.Haha 8)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on January 10, 2010, 08:11:56 pm
Its on! :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 10, 2010, 09:11:53 pm
Griffin, have another angle ....see if this makes it clearer ?

(http://i971.photobucket.com/albums/ae199/Veemax/IMG_2972.jpg)

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 10, 2010, 09:18:27 pm
Oh YES , I HATE Topboxes...yuk ! But I hate SABS plates even more ..... this way at least the plate is disguised from some angles and you can have a clean lookin' tail ...well.....sorta.....it's the best I could do for roadblocks ( and the Revenue Collection Agents who do not enforce road safety, as much as hunt for cash sources )

Geeze have you seen the size of a California plate ? Wish we could have those....at least they are not an aesthetic abomination!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 11, 2010, 09:36:23 am
IMHO it's quite debatable what's uglier:
A SABS number plate or a topbox ???

I'll have the number plate 'cause I have to and leave the top box to who wants it :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Veemax on January 11, 2010, 09:49:13 am
The problem with hating uncool topboxes is that they are bloody useful ugly bastid things once you live with one for a while ...

But NO WAY will you find one on my Tiger or Bandit ..... destroys all cred as Hooligan bikes to have a 'Box on ! Siesahhhh Thhppp thhpppp.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on January 12, 2010, 12:03:33 am
Hey guys I wanna find out which of you have done or are considering to do the airbox mod?
If you have how do you find the bike with/without it?

I'm in the process of getting a new exhuast fitted and getting the bike dyno tuned, but seeing the bike is gonna be tuned anyway I am considering cutting the airbox ala kientech (http://www.kientech.com/DJDR650AbMod.htm). The aim being obviously to open up the restrictive intake of the DR, gain a little extra power and improve the sound.

Now I realize this is gonna mean more regular maintenance of my aftermarket TwinAir air filter, but I'm not to stressed about a bit of cleaner and oil every 1500 or 2000km instead of the stock 3000km. What I am worried about is things like trips to Atlantis and water crossings.

With regards to the water I've never put the bike that deep before that the airbox comes anywhere water, but I'm a little worried about the risk of splashes/commuting in the rain, etc. I mean the snorkel has to do a good job of protecting the box and the last thing I want is to get water in the airbox just riding to work in winter for 1HP more.  :-\

Basically I cannot make up my mind whether it's really worth it or not...  ???
Thoughts?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 12, 2010, 05:23:55 am
I pulled the snorkel,  but did not cut the side of the airbox open.   water is going to have to try fairly had to get in through the snorkel opening under the seat - i would not cut the side of the airbox as it'll make it much easier for water etc.

at the same time as the snorkel i drilled the slide,  moved the clip on the needle jet to richen the mixture,  ground the header weld out and put on a pipe.

the dynometer built into my arse says throttle response is better,  but i still need to put the bike onto a formal dyno - my fuel consumption is a bit heavy,  can't give an accurate reading as i've never worked it out properly,  but hard throttle yields about 15km/litre...

read the BST40 bible on advrider: http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347184 (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347184)

have fun now...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 12, 2010, 05:34:01 am
priets,  also have a looksee here: http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705043 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=705043)
DR650 FAQ...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Captain Zef on January 12, 2010, 05:42:43 am
Can't wait :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 12, 2010, 06:08:46 am
Hey Ganjora

That's heavy for a dr. My old black bike got around 22km per litre. You may consider leaning out the bike a little again.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 12, 2010, 07:58:38 am
Hey Ganjora

That's heavy for a dr. My old black bike got around 22km per litre. You may consider leaning out the bike a little again.

i hear what you say jenks.   when i hit reserve (and my wrist twists back) i count on 20k/l,  the part before reserve my throttle is usually wide open.   either way,  a proper dyno is in order.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 12, 2010, 09:48:52 am
I don't think removing the snorkel gives a noticable increase in power as its main purpose is silencing the intake. As long as you don't tamper with intake cross section or air box volume very little should happen. Flow resistance in the snorkel is not very high looking at its length and cross section.

My DR's are stock standard, average around 20km/l or 5l / 100km
and
Powerflow pipe and jetted, about 18km/l or 5.5l / 100km

Fark all difference in performance. The Powerflow sounds nice and lasts very well (8 years old) but backfires noticably on deceleration.

Does the drilled out carb slide cause any issues like hiccups when you open up or stall when you blip throttle at idle?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on January 12, 2010, 12:35:34 pm
Does the drilled out carb slide cause any issues like hiccups when you open up or stall when you blip throttle at idle?

Yea I'd like to know that too, coz it is another one of the mods I was considering.

Back on the Air Box mod though. Even if the snorkel is hardly restrictive, surely having the top of the ai rbox completely open would be MUCH less restrictive? Plus it makes the tone of the bike sound awesome. I've run mine without the side cover on up and down my street and it sounds much nicer.

Although I would never take it off road with that side cover off. Too easy to suck up dust from the rear wheel.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on January 12, 2010, 04:51:45 pm
I took most of  the top of my airbox off when I installed the FCR carb.  For some reason it is a lot less noisy than taking the sidecover off.

The consensus on TT is that removing the snorkel makes quite a difference, and removing it needs needle to be lifted a notch.  Never tried it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on January 12, 2010, 08:39:52 pm
I took most of  the top of my airbox off when I installed the FCR carb.  For some reason it is a lot less noisy than taking the sidecover off.

The consensus on TT is that removing the snorkel makes quite a difference, and removing it needs needle to be lifted a notch.  Never tried it.

Aaaand ....

Where's the fcr report??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on January 12, 2010, 09:06:09 pm
Basically what I did was to raise the needle one notch, removed snorkle, put in fully synthetic motul oil, turned in air screw until revs started to die and then out half a turn. No notable difference in performance but the bike did run cooler. Removing the snorkel with the standard exhaust does make the bike sound like it actually has no air filter at all.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on January 12, 2010, 09:49:51 pm


Aaaand ....

Where's the fcr report??

Here   http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42746.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=42746.0)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 13, 2010, 08:32:38 am
My last four DR650SE bash plates go to the welder this week. Two are sold already. Two still up for grabs. Production discontinued due to diminishing sales.
Details on the vendor forum.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 13, 2010, 08:55:43 am
My last four DR650SE bash plates go to the welder this week. Two are sold already. Two still up for grabs. Production discontinued due to diminishing sales.
Details on the vendor forum.

OI!!!
check your PM...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on January 13, 2010, 09:26:11 am
My last four DR650SE bash plates go to the welder this week. Two are sold already. Two still up for grabs. Production discontinued due to diminishing sales.
Details on the vendor forum.

OI!!!
check your PM...

Ditto...PM sent
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 14, 2010, 10:45:30 pm
Ok, so what does a dead starter sound like, and how would it sound when it dies or whatever whatever? I think its the battery, however, I could be wrong. The headlight is still strong and it doesn't dim when I push the happy button. All I hear is the relay saying "Click" and thats it. Just one "click" when I push the button, and another "click" when I let go. Other than that, silence. The bike does push start easily. Runs perfectly (although a tad bit rich now - was dirty fuel after all that made my bike die about a week ago).

Battery reads 12.9. Voltage at Starter lead reads 12.5 when I press the happy button. Not sure if that means anything though. Will try again tomorrow, making sure of all switches etc. Then charge battery and see if she wrooms. If she does, I say battery. If she still does the "click" song, then what?

Happy trails
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 14, 2010, 10:56:17 pm
Take the starter out and disassemble (bit of a mission but not too bad)

Clean brushes and guides, clean rotor armature. Make sure brushes move nicely (at the moment they are stuck)

Put everything back together.

And Bob's your uncle :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 14, 2010, 11:10:17 pm
Bob is not my uncle  >:(   Just kidding :thumleft: :thumleft:

Thanks LeCap. Will do so. Did it before, just not up for the shlep of it, hoped it was something a bit easier.

What grease to use? That Molly paste stuff that Suzuki recommends, or something easily found from Midas?

Happy trails
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on January 14, 2010, 11:23:12 pm
My last four DR650SE bash plates go to the welder this week. Two are sold already. Two still up for grabs. Production discontinued due to diminishing sales.
Details on the vendor forum.

Swak I really wanted to get one but thanks to service, new exhaust, new disks, etc. There is nothing left for bash plate. :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 15, 2010, 08:32:07 am
Bashplates: I can still make them but I will need three or four orders at a time to make it worthwhile.

What grease to use? That Molly paste stuff that Suzuki recommends, or something easily found from Midas?

You can get both Moly paste as well as Moly aerosol rattlecan from Midas. For the starter you can also use some (very little) high temperature wheel bearing grease on the bearings. Terminals & brushes and their guides clean & dry.

Make sure the two rubber quad rings sealing the housing are in good condition. They are available separately from Suzuki part no. 31264-32E00
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 16, 2010, 01:42:38 pm
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

She be starting again, thank you dearly LeCap. Its was quite corroded on the brush assembly plate. Question, should I order a replacement? I greased teh whole plate, brushes everything to make sure air and moisture stays at bay, for now since I can't replace the sealing rings yet? Or will it be good to go for another 20,000km?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 23, 2010, 02:48:57 pm
Hey, just out of curiosity, do one of yous guys have, or know of someone who has a DR650SE fuel tank lying around that they want to get rid of for free. Undented off-course. Just a thought.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on January 23, 2010, 04:51:15 pm
Hey, just out of curiosity, do one of yous guys have, or know of someone who has a DR650SE fuel tank lying around that they want to get rid of for free. Undented off-course. Just a thought.

Had a clean up the other day and threw mine away. Still have the fuel tap if that is any help.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 23, 2010, 05:42:30 pm
NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Where did you throw it away at....I have access to a snifer dog  :D

Nah, I have a dent in my tank that doesn't bother me, but if I can do someone a favor by removing there undented tank, then that will be great.

Thanks.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 24, 2010, 11:49:36 pm
Drained my oil so I can remove my stator, seems my problem with the bike suddenly not wanting to start sounds exactly like a TT member from Florida USA. Turns out it was his stator. Unfortunately, in the process, or fortunately, draining the oil, I found a shard of metal that looks like something that came from a bearing. Checked on both case covers, nothing, so will have to split the engine to see what is going on deeper. Don't want a flyweight emerging from the case at 80km/h.

Oh, for those who know, that plastic gear that drives the oil pump (calling LeCap I suppose), the shaft that it runs on, is it normal for that shaft to move sideways? Meaning, if you wiggle the plastic gear there is a lot of movement that is not because a worn bush of the gear but the shaft that can wiggle? This normal or is there a bearing that might be broken?

Other that that, found the oil filter to be a bit old, but shows how tuff these engines are. I've been meaning to replace the filter but haven't gotten round to do it in my 4000kms.

Happy trails. Time to get to know the bike  :D I like working on bikes, really easy and fun....not like cages.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chickenshit japie on January 25, 2010, 10:48:23 am
Í hope i'm not hijacking the thread, but how much play should my front chain sprocket have? IE: should the sprocket be loose on the shaft, or not?
Thanks.
PS: if you've still got the spare petcock, I REALLY need one!
Great thread, all.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on January 26, 2010, 07:56:19 am
If I remember correctly, mine sit loose...loose in terms of moving up and down the shaft. I think. Not much, just a tad. But safer to ask LeCap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 26, 2010, 08:12:31 am
The front sprocket has a little bit of play on the splines, just enough to pull it off and fit it once the locking plate is removed.
If it's got a lot of play either the splines in the sprocket are worn (not too bad) or the splines in the shaft (bad).
Caused by riding the engines torque. Problem not too common on DR's (unlike XL500). Don't ride torque.

Not sure about the oil pump idler. Nothing I would expect any noticable wear.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on January 26, 2010, 10:28:51 am
Í hope i'm not hijacking the thread, but how much play should my front chain sprocket have? IE: should the sprocket be loose on the shaft, or not?
Thanks.
PS: if you've still got the spare petcock, I REALLY need one!
Great thread, all.

Sorry Japie, already promised it to someone else.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chickenshit japie on January 26, 2010, 09:41:33 pm
Thanks for the advice, but I find it hard to resist blowing off the multicylider windgatte at the lights, even though i tell myself I'll stop it whenever I have to replace sprockets and chain. I suppose it the same reason that the dog licks itself, because it can.
Has anyone tried a KLR 650 tank (24 litres) on a DR, to stretch the range but avoid plastic?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on January 29, 2010, 04:35:19 pm
@ chickenshitjappie, i saw a photo on this forum of a German Suzuki that had a 20lt KTM tank stuck onto it... i went pooratech and used plastic jerry cans.

So... more stupid questions :) : how do i check oil on the bike? I know I look through the little window on the side, but there's some deal where you have to ride it for a few minutes but not too long or something to warm the bike up but not let the oil expand...?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on January 29, 2010, 07:30:12 pm
@ chickenshitjappie, i saw a photo on this forum of a German Suzuki that had a 20lt KTM tank stuck onto it... i went pooratech and used plastic jerry cans.

So... more stupid questions :) : how do i check oil on the bike? I know I look through the little window on the side, but there's some deal where you have to ride it for a few minutes but not too long or something to warm the bike up but not let the oil expand...?


G2M Howsit man,
I still want some huge photo's of your pooratech plastic jerry cans you made,remeber I told you I also want to do that,Maybe I can use your idea.Thanx
And with the above: The oil must me hot to check the level,otherwise if the bike is ice cold the oil will be so thick,you cant check the oil level.
Cheers
Ride Safe
Martin :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on January 30, 2010, 09:09:26 am
Use decent 10W40 oil not bitumen and you can check your oil level whenever you feel like it. Just make sure your engine has been switched off for a minute or three.
Park bike on level ground, go to the right side of the bike and pull it towards you off the side stand, holding the front brake to keep it from rolling away and moering over. Once you feel the bike being balanced upright check the oil level in the window. It should be somewhere between the two marks. Takes 500ml to fill from min. to max.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 30, 2010, 10:04:42 am
There is something going on with Die Dominee's chain.

Sometimes it makes a clunk clunk sound as if banging against something. It happens irregularly. On acceleration or constant speed.

The chain is not very loose. Can this happen if the chain is to tight?

The sprockets and chain still look good.

Thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on January 30, 2010, 11:05:11 am
upper chain roller
remove it...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 30, 2010, 11:33:04 am
upper chain roller
remove it...

Already done.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on January 30, 2010, 10:02:35 pm
Use decent 10W40 oil not bitumen and you can check your oil level whenever you feel like it. Just make sure your engine has been switched off for a minute or three.
Park bike on level ground, go to the right side of the bike and pull it towards you off the side stand, holding the front brake to keep it from rolling away and moering over. Once you feel the bike being balanced upright check the oil level in the window. It should be somewhere between the two marks. Takes 500ml to fill from min. to max.

mmmm... seems my oil is WAY too low... I assume when you service bikes you chuck in 10W40? You did my bike a little while back, I noticed the engine noise got very rough a week or two ago and I cant see any oil in that window when the bike is cold... not good!

Also, how much chain deflection is right for these bikes with a new chain???

@Martin... I still haven't had my metal racks made up. Will try do that in the next week or two. Midas sell 10lt cans and Makro sells 5lt cans. Though the plastics do seem to bend/warp with heat/cold changes and such. Rather unsettling. They're R110 from Makro, I'll probably change them after one or two long trips...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on February 01, 2010, 09:55:39 am
Blou Zebu: Sounds like a stiff link in the chain (incorrectly fitted masterlink). Or unevenly worn. Check carefully.
mmmm... seems my oil is WAY too low... I assume when you service bikes you chuck in 10W40? You did my bike a little while back, I noticed the engine noise got very rough a week or two ago and I cant see any oil in that window when the bike is cold... not good!

Also, how much chain deflection is right for these bikes with a new chain???


Bike either got 10W40 Castrol ActEvo or Caltex Delo 15W40 depending on when it was here.
Rough noise sounds bad.
No oil in window is worse.

Ther chain should have a little slack when the bike is standing upright on a paddock stand. The chain is more or less at its tightest then and will gain slack as the suspension compresses or rebounds fully. Check accordingly, the tightest spot might be a little bit into the positive or into the negative travel depending on rear suspension setting and spring preload.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 01, 2010, 04:20:18 pm
Sorry lecap - just want to make sure I understand what you're saying re chain tension. Do you mean on the paddock stand, both wheels off the ground?? That makes sense to me.

The workshop manual gives the specs - but that's for the bike on sidestand. I'm not really happy with their vague setting.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on February 01, 2010, 11:48:32 pm
ah... thank f**k for the service manual... turns out 2300ml is what's needed, so the 1000ml that was in the engine is SERIOUSLY insufficient! got 2.5lt castrol magnatec 10w40. now to see if that is the right oil...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on February 03, 2010, 12:41:02 pm
wheeee!!!!!

CHorse,  our bashplates just arrived from lecap.

Will bring it to Groenie on saturday - will be there from 12h00
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on February 03, 2010, 02:13:39 pm
 :thumleft: cool, thanks.

See you there
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on February 03, 2010, 09:21:53 pm
fitted my 'lecap' bashplate.
truly a work of art.
exceptional cover.
every DR owner should have one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on February 03, 2010, 10:20:31 pm
Lol,Enjoy  . .
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on February 04, 2010, 08:26:20 am
fitted my 'lecap' bashplate.
truly a work of art.
exceptional cover.
every DR owner should have one.


+1. Have also just fitted the Pro Billet rear rack as well and that is also a work of art.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on February 04, 2010, 11:36:24 am
I will keep on manufacturing the bash plates if there is sufficient demand.

Sorry lecap - just want to make sure I understand what you're saying re chain tension. Do you mean on the paddock stand, both wheels off the ground?? That makes sense to me.

The workshop manual gives the specs - but that's for the bike on sidestand. I'm not really happy with their vague setting.


I'll always throw myself across the seat with the bike on the paddock stand (That's the one keeping the bike upright supporting it under the swingarm ends). Front wheel on the ground. Grab swingarm, pull hard (if you're fatter than me you can leave this part out) and check chain tension.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on February 04, 2010, 07:27:50 pm
Quote
I'll always throw myself across the seat with the bike on the paddock stand (That's the one keeping the bike upright supporting it under the swingarm ends). Front wheel on the ground. Grab swingarm, pull hard (if you're fatter than me you can leave this part out) and check chain tension.


OK. Got it! Thanks  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on February 04, 2010, 07:33:44 pm
ahh,  jenks

sorry dude,  forgot to answer.

not me either for procycle's goodies.
wanna buy a bakkie
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on February 09, 2010, 09:18:35 am
Thanks to Lecap (for supplying) and Ganjora (for delivery and assistance) my bashplate is attached and looks great.

Decided to place an order with Procycle and test their service (and the post office for delivery  ???)

Ordered lower/wider pegs and mirror extenders on 27 Jan. Within 4 or 5 hours the order was acknowledged and the next day I received the notification of pickup by US postal service. Left USA on 29th Jan and yesterday 8 Feb the collection slip was in my post box.

Just been to the postoffice, paid the VAT and collected my goodies  :thumleft:

They look to be good quality and the service was exceptional from Jeff at Procycle.

Will fit them tonight or tomorrow and will then post pics...  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on February 12, 2010, 08:32:09 am
Fitted the mirror extenders and lower pegs last night.

Quick spin around the block and very happy with both mods...knees not as bent when sitting and bar height now better when standing.

Easy enough process apart from having to "modify" the bashplate a bit to allow me to adjust the gear shift and brake pedal down.

Can now see past my elbows (extended by about 50mm).

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/IMAG0145.jpg)

New pegs a bit wider

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/IMAG0141.jpg)

about 4cm lower

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/IMAG0139.jpg)

Pic taken before adjusting brake and grinding away a bit of the bashplate

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/IMAG0146.jpg)
(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/IMAG0148.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on February 12, 2010, 06:40:17 pm
Nice!  :thumleft:

Footpegs-More detail please?(where?,Is it way beter being lower. . ect.)

Thanx HorsE
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on February 13, 2010, 11:38:12 am
Hmmm lower foot pegs.  :-\

Suppose it would lower the center of gravity and also "raise" your handle bars by 4cm. That's quite a drastic rise.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on February 15, 2010, 07:36:35 am
Martin/Priest

Ordered the pegs from www.procycle.us (http://www.procycle.us)

Quite expensive thanks to exchange rate and shipping costs but deciced to go for it as I had not seen anything available locally and did not want to experiment with cutting and welding (had visions of a weld giving way at the wrong moment) - Price $145 plus $55 for the shipping. Oh, had to pay the VAT on this end when I collected from the post office. Suppose not fair to allocate all shipping costs as ordering more would not have increased the shipping costs by much.

Quality is good, feels very solid.

Bolt onto bike using existing bolts, only difference is that these are not rubber mounted like OEM pegs. Cant comment on vibration difference yet, guess I will need to do a long trip first to find out.

I really like the feel of them, both being lower and wider. Feet feel well planted and can feel the difference in bar height (already have bar raisers but needed more height which I could not get unless I made a plan to extend clutch cable etc.)

Also feel the difference when sitting, knees slightly less bent, feels more comfortable (less cramped) and easier to stand up. When standing the difference is very noticable, apart from having to bend less I also feel like I have more control. Think it is because where I was standing more above the bike before, I am now a bit lower and centre of gravity lower. Could also just be in my head but the effect is the same...I like the way it feels.

Unless you know the bike you would not notice the change...which I like, functonal improvement, not bling  ;D

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on February 15, 2010, 10:46:01 am
Hmm now to find someone in the Cape with those so I can try it out. :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on February 15, 2010, 12:30:21 pm
Thanx for ze info :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on February 16, 2010, 08:37:40 am
Good to see that the Le  Cap bash plate is Procycle lowered pegs compatible ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on February 16, 2010, 11:20:41 am
Good to see that the Le  Cap bash plate is Procycle lowered pegs compatible ;D

Lowered pegs clear the plate well...just had to grind away a bit to allow for lower gear shift and brake pedal (only did that after taking pics). Works great  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on February 25, 2010, 07:55:38 am
Any of you guys done the GSXR can on the DR mod? Seems straightforward,  looks great, and weigh only 2,5 Kgs!

Rob_A, as I recall you had some aftermarket zaust on, was it a GSXR by any chance?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on February 25, 2010, 08:28:52 am
Hmmm... I'd like to hear what the GSXR mod sounds like on the bike.

Personally I went with a Oval scorch zorst which is completely open. In fact it's pretty much just decoration.
Man it's awesome loud.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on February 25, 2010, 08:53:38 am
You can hear it here, mxrob's video:



More detail and steps to follow in his presentation:

http://docs.google.com/present/view?id=djwd44j_68fdsm79hf

I can get the right can for R1000, and I am sure that if I look around, I will get one even cheaper. They must be lying in garage corners all-over SA.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on February 25, 2010, 08:56:02 am
R1000 for a decent pipe is for bloody free!!!
were it not for the fact that I got kykdaar's airage for only R800,  i'd be trawling the ThinkBike forum.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on February 25, 2010, 09:22:05 am
You can hear it here, mxrob's video:


Nice, but I prefer mine. :)

I should make a vid too. :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on February 25, 2010, 01:31:13 pm

 I got kykdaar's airage for only R800

now there was a bargain.

If the 4x4 bug leaves him, here is how I would make a quick R10000:

Sell him my DR, and buy it back 2 weeks later for R10000 less. He will probably have fitted new tyres, an IMS tank and a monster luggage rack aswell.  The bike would also have gotten its first decent wash.

Sorry A, just kidding, no offense meant.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on February 25, 2010, 04:15:32 pm
Any of you guys done the GSXR can on the DR mod? Seems straightforward,  looks great, and weigh only 2,5 Kgs!

Rob_A, as I recall you had some aftermarket zaust on, was it a GSXR by any chance?

Yes I did.  I did it at the same time I did the pumper carb, so it is difficult to say what was changed by zaust and what by carb.  like my bike a lot more now.  If anyone want to do it, I have an extra exhaust flange available, that I had lazercut.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on February 25, 2010, 04:43:00 pm
Any of you guys done the GSXR can on the DR mod? Seems straightforward,  looks great, and weigh only 2,5 Kgs!

Rob_A, as I recall you had some aftermarket zaust on, was it a GSXR by any chance?

Hi Lorax
Yes I put a Cowley on with a baffle in it. Still found it too loud and went back to the standard exhaust. I do not think it is any louder than any other exhaust but I like a quiet bike. If I ever get another one it will be the FMF Q4 from Procycle - they seem to have come down in price substantially. If anyone wants the Cowley make me an offer I don't understand and it is yours. Hey Lorax weren't you the guy on the Touratech ride? If you were then you would have obviously heard it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on February 26, 2010, 08:50:50 am
Hey Lorax weren't you the guy on the Touratech ride? If you were then you would have obviously heard it.

Yip, was me.  Had a good time that day, but I was a bit worn out. Your front shocks and seat mods makes a big difference on a longer ride.     :ricky:

Yes I did.  I did it at the same time I did the pumper carb, so it is difficult to say what was changed by zaust and what by carb.  like my bike a lot more now.  If anyone want to do it, I have an extra exhaust flange available, that I had lazercut.

Thanks Hagar, PM sent
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on February 27, 2010, 06:42:09 am
Lorax, I bought the canister for R500.  I have seen a few others since in the same price range.  Easiest way to get one, is to phone the guys selling K1 or K2 GSXR1000s.  They often have the old can in the garage.  You will see X40foX is the one you want.   X40f1X is how mine and most South African and Australian K1 and K2 cans are marked.  Don't let this put you off.  It is exactly the same can minus some of the emission compliance writing on the can.  I had the ss mid pipe made up and got everything installed for R300, job was done by Powerflow in George.  They did a great job, spend a lot of time on the job, and had to contend with me looking over the shoulder as well.  I gave a good tip to the guy who did the job. I believe they undercharged me as they spend about 4 hours on the job, redoing part of it  1 or 2 times.  I am sure they would do it a lot quicker if they have to do it now for a second one.  It is not an easy part to make if you do it right as its got to bend in different directions, we ended up making it from 2 parts welded together, you can hardly see the weld.  it is important to make sure the pipe starts the bend immediately after the point it couples to the header otherwise it comes too close to the back brake pipe on the swing arm.  Look at the difference between the 2 brothers and Hindle mid pipes that illustrates this. (I can email you a photo.)  I did not move the bracket on the can as Mxrob did but we used a piece of flat bar to extend the mounting point on the bike forward.  Make sure you mount the canister high, you do not want your disc brake caliper thing to hit the can if you bottom the back suspension out.  I had the flange lasercut out of 6mm stainless.  Price worked out the same for 2 so I ordered a second one,  you can have it for R130.  Get a GSXR gasket for the can from Suzuki for about R80.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 02, 2010, 07:31:47 pm
anyone got/tried fat bars on their bike?
bend etc??
benefits??
worth it?
toying with putting some on my bike,  any wisdom appreciated.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on March 02, 2010, 07:33:04 pm
anyone got/tried fat bars on their bike?
bend etc??
benefits??
worth it?
toying with putting some on my bike,  any wisdom appreciated.

The best bend imo to get is the CR High, even though I have a CR medium at the mo, Id prefer the High one
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 03, 2010, 06:38:35 am
What do you do here ???
This thread is exclusive to people who traded performance for reliability.

Go  away!!!

Once the OEM bar expired I fitted a Renthal 942 (?) it's one of the "CR bends" as far as I remember. Very similar geometry to OEM, also 30mm risers under the clamps for me (1m94). Never liked the ATV type bars, too much sweep, feels like pushing a wheelbarrow.
Would only go with fatbars with replacement of the OEM handlebar clamps the "stack on top kark" looks pathetic.
Benefits of fat bars compared to quality 22mm bars are few besides your wallet being lighter after the purchase.

In any case, no matter what you fit, tighten the bolts through the handlebar clamp rubbers a bit more to reduce the flex of the bars against the triple clamps.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 04, 2010, 11:29:48 am
in the DR service manual it talks about 2 different spark plug models to be used: hot and cold - what's up with that shit?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 04, 2010, 02:36:29 pm
in the DR service manual it talks about 2 different spark plug models to be used: hot and cold - what's up with that shit?


Where does one buy the CR10E spark plug that they recommend - I have tried numerous dealers.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 05, 2010, 06:55:10 am
Use CR10E, fine, always worked for me.

Do not try to adjust for poor jetting with different heat value plugs. Don't ask ;D

Every bike shop should have the plugs. At the very least every Suzuki shop. They are a bit more pricey than a KLR's DPR8EA9 and since you need two the DR's cheapo image goes out of the window :cheers:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2010, 08:52:47 pm
I need a bashplate, who and how much also the bike is smoking when cold for a minute or so especially when riding off. I'm watching the oil level. Rings ?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 08, 2010, 04:33:35 am
bashplate LeCap R1500
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on March 08, 2010, 04:48:07 am
bashplate LeCap R1500

I also want one!!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: parci36 on March 08, 2010, 06:21:22 am
Hi Guys,
I am looking at selling my 1997 Suzuki DR650. It's only got 10 000ks on the clock but just standing in my garage and could do better with the cash elsewhere. I have no idea of what price I can ask for it so please could you guys give me your opinion? The bike is still in a good condition.
Thanks, look forward to your replies.
Cheers
Parcival
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 08, 2010, 08:28:54 am
I need a bashplate, who and how much also the bike is smoking when cold for a minute or so especially when riding off. I'm watching the oil level. Rings ?

Smoking on cold start is caused by old valve stem seals. (Note the bike does NPOT use a lot of oil. If it does your bore & /  rings are shot)
Remedy: Switch bike off withoput putting it onto the side stand first. Start after picking it off the side stand. This prevents oil from pooling around the valve stems and from running down into the intake & exhaust ports.

Looks as if I'll have to make a few more bashplates?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on March 08, 2010, 10:45:53 am
Le Cap

Count me in for a bashplate pse!!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 08, 2010, 11:18:18 am
I had a issue this morning with my bike, maybe you guys could shine some light on it.

I started up the DR this morning, choke on and a healthy pull of the throttle. It made a massive bang and then nothing.
I glanced down at the motor on both sides expecting to see a hole in the case but nothing. So I try start it a couple more times but nothing.

So I get off push it into the shade and take a closer look. What I found was the it had somehow blown the carb clean off the rubber piping connecting to to the motor. It was just hanging there, held in place by the airbox pipe.

I then forced the carb up and forward into the connector pipe and tighten the C-clamp nice and tight. Bike started first time.
Rode it around the block no issues. But still decided to take the car to work just in case.

So what the hell was that? Just a massive back fire or is it the start of something serious?
Should I just ride the bike? I mean it felt fine when I went around the block.

Great start to a Monday. :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 08, 2010, 12:34:03 pm
Priest ...

Is it a stock carb or is it the pumper?? If it's the TM40 pumper ... you may just have an ill fitting boot (the Kientech TM40), that's all.

Another thing to consider is your carb settings. Not sure it could be so far out to cause that kind of backfire.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 08, 2010, 12:34:44 pm
jenks,  did you get that carb yet?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 08, 2010, 12:39:55 pm
Lecap ...

My bike also smokes a little on cold start. It's an 07 that I bought with just 100 Ks on the clock. Could the fact that it had been standing so long mean the valve stem seals had hardened??

I originally thought it may be an overoiled airfilter. So I cleaned the filter and re-oiled it. Does seem somewhat better - but it does puff out whitish smoke now and again - only on cold start.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 08, 2010, 12:44:15 pm
Priest ...

Is it a stock carb or is it the pumper?? If it's the TM40 pumper ... you may just have an ill fitting boot (the Kientech TM40), that's all.

Another thing to consider is your carb settings. Not sure it could be so far out to cause that kind of backfire.


It's still the stock carb. Had it tuned at Superbike Solutions in Jan and it's been running sweet since then. Except for this morning.  :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 08, 2010, 12:45:26 pm
Hey Ganj

Nope. Spent all my loot on a trip to Chile  :deal: Arrived back home just before the quake. Lucky!!

So I decided to rather go with the dynojet kit from procycle. Placed the order yesterday! I also ordered the oil filter magnet, the magnetic drain plug and the fuel mixture screw. Came to around 1K.

That bike of mine is bliksems heavy on juice. I'm getting 7Ls per 100 clicks :( So I'm figuring the jetting needs a fix. The dynojet is just 54 dollars (one tenth of the pumper's cost!)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on March 08, 2010, 12:54:25 pm
Do you guys know if the DR650 vlave's and seats are the same as the XF 650's.  I think my bike over heated and one of the valve seats moved out about 5mm, which caused a funny noise from the engine, and not starting expet when towed...by a yamaha.  :(
I took the ofending parts to a back yard mechanic, but he looks like he knows his stuff, he just said it is difficult to get the valve's and seats in good old RSA.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 08, 2010, 12:56:53 pm
Quote
It's still the stock carb. Had it tuned at Superbike Solutions in Jan and it's been running sweet since then. Except for this morning.  :-\

Priest ... I wonder if they didn't tighten the clamps properly at the tuning centre??

On second thoughts, priest ... I never twist the throttle on cold start. Just the choke on full. Maybe that caused the backfire??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on March 08, 2010, 07:29:41 pm
Has anyone put a 18 inch rim on the back ? Bought a new airfilter today but the fitment is seriously kaaark not sure what Suzuki was thinking.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on March 08, 2010, 07:42:50 pm
Apparently the DR350 back is a straight swop (18 inch); if I remember correctly.

Does anyone have a top gasket laying around, or knows if your local dealer has one, I need one that wont take 3 weeks to get here?

Part number:  11241 - 04F20

 :ricky: trails
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on March 09, 2010, 05:27:45 am
Apparently the DR350 back is a straight swop (18 inch); if I remember correctly.

Does anyone have a top gasket laying around, or knows if your local dealer has one, I need one that wont take 3 weeks to get here?

Part number:  11241 - 04F20

 :ricky: trails
Ek het nou net een afgehaal, daai metaal een, gaan ander een opsit.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 09, 2010, 06:59:17 am
Do you guys know if the DR650 vlave's and seats are the same as the XF 650's.  I think my bike over heated and one of the valve seats moved out about 5mm, which caused a funny noise from the engine, and not starting expet when towed...by a yamaha.  :(
I took the ofending parts to a back yard mechanic, but he looks like he knows his stuff, he just said it is difficult to get the valve's and seats in good old RSA.


Your back yard meccie is talking bull. You can get the valves from Suzuki without any problems. The seats have never, are not and will never be available separately. Every appie at the engineers shop will make them for you in ten minutes on the lathe.

lesson: Find a reputable mechanic not a backyard guy who tells you stories.

Lecap ...

My bike also smokes a little on cold start. It's an 07 that I bought with just 100 Ks on the clock. Could the fact that it had been standing so long mean the valve stem seals had hardened??

I originally thought it may be an overoiled airfilter. So I cleaned the filter and re-oiled it. Does seem somewhat better - but it does puff out whitish smoke now and again - only on cold start.

Would be very surprised if valve stem seals are a problem on a DR less than eight years old.

Looks more like too much oil in the air filter or residue from the last wash in the exhaust.

I had a issue this morning with my bike, maybe you guys could shine some light on it.

I started up the DR this morning, choke on and a healthy pull of the throttle. It made a massive bang and then nothing.
I glanced down at the motor on both sides expecting to see a hole in the case but nothing. So I try start it a couple more times but nothing.

So I get off push it into the shade and take a closer look. What I found was the it had somehow blown the carb clean off the rubber piping connecting to to the motor. It was just hanging there, held in place by the airbox pipe.

I then forced the carb up and forward into the connector pipe and tighten the C-clamp nice and tight. Bike started first time.
Rode it around the block no issues. But still decided to take the car to work just in case.

So what the hell was that? Just a massive back fire or is it the start of something serious?
Should I just ride the bike? I mean it felt fine when I went around the block.

Great start to a Monday. :(

I can borrow you the right ice cream scoop handguard for five minutes. It's got a sticker attached to the inside which reads: "Always close throttle fully before starting engine"

And I'll make another four (or more) bash plates in April as I see there is three takers already. Price anyhow - unfortunately will be up to R 1800 as I did not make any money from the last lot due to price increases of the material and out of house manufacture.

BTW the bash plates went through some rigorous "beta testing".
In one instance repairs to the plate were required after an off landing the bike atop a rock and a crack in the alternator cover was not avoided. Still much worse was prevented.
On one of my bikes some hard ground contact resulted in a big ding in the plate and required some five minutes of mild panel beating to get things back into shape with no danages whatsoever to the bike. Frame cradle and footpeg bracket bolts would definitely have suffered without the plate.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 09, 2010, 08:48:07 am
I can borrow you the right ice cream scoop handguard for five minutes. It's got a sticker attached to the inside which reads: "Always close throttle fully before starting engine"

On second thoughts, priest ... I never twist the throttle on cold start. Just the choke on full. Maybe that caused the backfire??

Yes yes ok, I didn't RTFM (Read The F'ing Manual). :P

It struggled to start last week so I automatically started grabbing a bit of throttle. Stupid.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on March 09, 2010, 10:34:43 am
Le Cap

Take note of the increase in price for the bashplate...will wait till April!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 09, 2010, 10:50:11 am
Lecap - you're awesome! Go buy yourself a beer and send me the bill  :deal:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 09, 2010, 11:17:29 am
it really is a piece of art.
here it is on my bike.
money well spent...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN0625.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on March 09, 2010, 04:40:55 pm
Ek het die metaal een, het perongeluk hom bestel in plaas van die boonste een. Die metaal een (drie opmekaar) kom onder die silinder, die ander een (dink dis die karton/fibre goed) kom bo die silinder.

Apparently the DR350 back is a straight swop (18 inch); if I remember correctly.

Does anyone have a top gasket laying around, or knows if your local dealer has one, I need one that wont take 3 weeks to get here?

Part number:  11241 - 04F20

 :ricky: trails
Ek het nou net een afgehaal, daai metaal een, gaan ander een opsit.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on March 09, 2010, 04:48:24 pm
CORRECTION!!!

I still need the same part, but it does in fact go at the bottom of the cylinder and not the top. DAMN! But I still need the part number as listed in earlier post.

Thanks Jman, jy het my laat wonder. Die metaal een kom bo-op die silinder, en die fiber een kom onder die silinder, en die fibre gasket is updated na 'n metaal een as ek dit nou reg pluis. Lyk my ek gaan ook een moet maak.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on March 10, 2010, 06:22:39 am
Anyone have a standard DR 650 silencer lying around ? The aftermarket pipe on my bike is driving me nuts, maybe I'm getting old  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 10, 2010, 03:03:44 pm
Sidetrack - what make of silencer is it?? The airage is very loud, but me likey :)

My new to me 07 came with a tornado, which has a nice deep note - not the crack of the airage. But I may be interested in lifting your can off you, for a reasonably stingy sum  :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 10, 2010, 03:14:21 pm
By the way dr guys, Procycle's dynojet kit is on the way to my spot, along with the extended fuel mixture screw, the magnetic drain plug and the oil filter magnet. Should arrive within the next three weeks.

Anyone done the dynojet install? I've been swatting-up on the web, and have a pretty good idea about what to do, but South African english is always better! So if you've done it, please give me a walkthrough.  :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on March 10, 2010, 04:30:57 pm

BTW the bash plates went through some rigorous "beta testing".
In one instance repairs to the plate were required after an off landing the bike atop a rock and a crack in the alternator cover was not avoided. Still much worse was prevented.
.....

It's true.  I'm one of Le Cape's lab rats.  I could have plugged the little hole with some Pratley's and ridden the bike home but chose not to.  If I had not fitted the bash plate I would have needed new alternator cover (if not an alternator coil as well.)   The welding LeCap's mate did have added a bit mor charavcter to my bike.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on March 10, 2010, 04:54:57 pm
Anyone have a standard DR 650 silencer lying around ? The aftermarket pipe on my bike is driving me nuts, maybe I'm getting old  ;D
Sidetrack

You might need to check the packing in the cannister...by drilling out the rivets...on the one side (end cap)...and removing it.

It most probably needs to be replaced...if there's is any left in the cannister...can personaly not advise on which packing to use...have seen WDs on the Forum replacing with a FMF (think Q4) kit...

Have a guy in the Lowveld who guts and build pipes...if you do need advise on the packing I can PM his details to you..

Good Luck!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 10, 2010, 06:39:56 pm
it really is a piece of art.
here it is on my bike.
money well spent...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN0625.jpg)

...and there is that shiny exhaust again. I simply refuse to do that.....well.....maybe........
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on March 10, 2010, 06:55:02 pm
jenks it's a Neville tri oval, I'd give it away for free but I need a stock silencer to replace it or better a Q2
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on March 11, 2010, 01:04:08 pm
Anyone have a standard DR 650 silencer lying around ? The aftermarket pipe on my bike is driving me nuts, maybe I'm getting old  ;D

I have one,I really would wanna help you out,but im oldschool,Im keeping it for when ever I may need it in the future. :thumleft:

Looking forward on seeing your DR finished with all the mods done.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 11, 2010, 03:02:15 pm
also have one,  but when i sell this DR and buy another,  I'll be putting all the standard stuff back,  to move the bling across to the new DR
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 11, 2010, 04:46:50 pm
Sidetrack I hope you find what you're looking for, bud. Why don't you consider the gsxr mod?? One of the dogs had a mid pipe made up in Cape Town, if I remember correctly??

Or maybe consider the Tornado like the one I have. It's not loud and has a nice deep tone. You're welcome to pop round and give my bike a ride sometime if you want to get a feel for the Tornado.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on March 12, 2010, 06:17:16 am
Thanks all but if I can't get a stock silencer I will save up for a FMF Q2, had one on my DRZ and it was awesome until the packing started blowing out the back  :biggrin: I still have mixed emotions about the DR, I still need to take it on a good offroad ride. It commutes well, the suspension is waaay soft ! It nosedives just touching the front brake. Weight is good, it really does not feel much heavier than the DRZ but the steering is a bit slower.

(http://www.jcmotors.com/images/jcm_auctions/fmf_images/FMF-27-2858.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 12, 2010, 08:51:36 am
I'm also finding my suspension to soft.

Have any of you guys done any upgrades to yours?
You do both the front and back?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 12, 2010, 09:43:28 am
yes
i lost some weight
it's working wonders with the suspension
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 12, 2010, 10:25:14 am
yes
i lost some weight
it's working wonders with the suspension

hahaha +1

I'm at 70kgs now and hoping to lose five more on the mtb over the next few months. Best mod for the dr650se!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on March 12, 2010, 11:36:02 am
The thing I still need to do is,getting a thicker oil into the front shocks,that will help,I think. . . .

Then mayb a rising link for the rear shock?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 12, 2010, 06:10:45 pm
I put the progressive front springs (R1500-00) on my bike and had them installed by the local Yamaha dealer (R600-00). By far the best mod on the bike. Wish I had done it long ago. Martin, from what I have read on the web, changing the oil is probably not going to change a heck of a lot. The other option is to go for the "straight rate" (Eibach I think) springs from Procycle depending on your weight. In other words do not go on a diet or drink too many beers after you have done this! LeCap?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 12, 2010, 06:33:38 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=46468.new;topicseen#new
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on March 12, 2010, 08:14:57 pm
it really is a piece of art.
here it is on my bike.
money well spent...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN0625.jpg)
That looks very good :)
Will go check how my DR looks...feel inspired!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 14, 2010, 10:39:33 pm
shit
i couldn't help myself
took the pipe and bash plate off
spit and polish
lots of...

faark.
somebody stop me - i can't help myself.

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN0705.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 15, 2010, 07:22:58 am
Don't you have a problem with the pipe rusting now?  ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 15, 2010, 07:49:36 am
Don't you have a problem with the pipe rusting now?  ???

no
it's stainless steel,  remember?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 16, 2010, 09:05:20 am
The thing I still need to do is,getting a thicker oil into the front shocks,that will help,I think. . . .

Then mayb a rising link for the rear shock?

Thicker fork oil only makes the front ill responding by increasing compression damping and will cause it to bottom out over corrugations (accumulated compression due to increase of rebound damping).

Increasing the oil level helps a bit by increasing the progression of the forks.
Wilbers springs help a bit more as they are more progressive thean the OEM forks. You retain the plush ride but gain less nose dive on the brakes and a stiffer front when it counts.

Raising links are also questionable for a number of reasons:
Transmission & progression rates between shock & wheel change. You usually end up with an ill responding suspension, poor traction due to lack of negative travel, problems with the drive chain wearing the swingarm protector and steering instability due to the changed steering geometry.

The standard rear spring works well for riders up to about 90kg. For people between 90kg and 120kg it's advisable to go for a stiffer rear spring. (I have) and reshim the damper.
If you're over 120kg you will either have to loose weight or I have to find a serious spring for your rear shock.

I'm also finding my suspension to soft.

Have any of you guys done any upgrades to yours?
You do both the front and back?

Front: Wilbers progressive springs.
Rear: standard.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on March 16, 2010, 05:27:16 pm
Lecap: Thanx for your excellent information,

Front Shock: I will get the progressive springs,but untill then you say it's better to put a bit more oil in?

Rear:I totally understand what you are saying,the thing is,

the main reason I want to do this things on the bike,is I want more ground clearance,the front shock

needs help,cause it's way too "pap",it dives,for the rear I want it way stiffer,and it's already on it's

hardest,and I weigh like 65kg. :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Jman on March 19, 2010, 05:19:25 am
Want some onfo please, I put my bike together after they repaired my valve's, quite interesting how they did it(Will post a pic), everything sounds and looks good, exept there is a noise coming from the engin like the rockers hitting the vavle tops.  I set the clearance accoriding to the book, but the noise is still there. ???  Is there a speacial way of setting the valve clearance, or should I rather take it to a mechanic?  I just like doing things on my bike myself, then I know it is done properly.
This is what the valves looked like, the seat moved out:
(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/jvnjoubert/XF650010.jpg)

And this is after the repair:

(http://i630.photobucket.com/albums/uu24/jvnjoubert/XF650008.jpg)

They spot welded the seats so that they can't move again
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 19, 2010, 06:31:01 am
The valve seat "repair" above is a fcukup, sorry.

They should have removed the seat(s) and made and fitted (a) new one(s). Every half skilled engine rebuilder is able to do this.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 19, 2010, 06:40:53 am
Lecap: Thanx for your excellent information,
Rear:I totally understand what you are saying, the thing is,
the main reason I want to do this things on the bike,is I want more ground clearance...for the rear I want it way stiffer,and it's already on it's hardest,and I weigh like 65kg. :thumleft:

Serviced my own DR's rear suspension yesterday and realised that you won't be able to fit raising links at all without some either dodgy or extensive modification to the swingarm and / or cushion lever.
Problem is clearance between cushion lever & swingarm which is already almost zilch when the suspension tops out. The parts will make expensive contact if you fit shorter links.

Another thing that startles me is you weighting in at 65kg and having the spring prereload at max. This should give you nearly no negative suspension travel together with nearly no traction on gravel? I suspect someone might have cranked in too much preload and collapsed the spring or fitted a softer one.
Best to disassemble the shock and measure the free length and maybe the spring rate if you have the necessary equipment. The free length of the spring is 255 and the max. allowed preload is to 238mm (17mm).
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on March 19, 2010, 01:31:17 pm
Lecap: Thanx for your excellent information,
Rear:I totally understand what you are saying, the thing is,
the main reason I want to do this things on the bike,is I want more ground clearance...for the rear I want it way stiffer,and it's already on it's hardest,and I weigh like 65kg. :thumleft:

Serviced my own DR's rear suspension yesterday and realised that you won't be able to fit raising links at all without some either dodgy or extensive modification to the swingarm and / or cushion lever.
Problem is clearance between cushion lever & swingarm which is already almost zilch when the suspension tops out. The parts will make expensive contact if you fit shorter links.

Another thing that startles me is you weighting in at 65kg and having the spring prereload at max. This should give you nearly no negative suspension travel together with nearly no traction on gravel? I suspect someone might have cranked in too much preload and collapsed the spring or fitted a softer one.
Best to disassemble the shock and measure the free length and maybe the spring rate if you have the necessary equipment. The free length of the spring is 255 and the max. allowed preload is to 238mm (17mm).

LOL,Ok sweet! Thanx

Maybe I'll bring the bike to you in the future sometime,check things out. :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Inprogress on March 19, 2010, 09:13:57 pm
If you really have nothing to do, read the DR650 thread on Advrider.

If there is any problems, please let me know, more than happy to help.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on March 20, 2010, 03:40:27 pm
Inprogress, so what next?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 23, 2010, 10:54:49 am
Jenks' dr 650 Mods. Volume one, number1  :deal:

Howzit all. The goodies from procycle arrived today via courier. The Moose Racing dynojet kit, extended fuel mixture screw, magnetic oil drain plug and oil filter magnet! I decided on the dynojet rather than the pumper carb because it's MUCH cheaper.

So I'll be pulling off the carb, cleaning and doing the jets. Hopefully I can get my consumption right. That US imported bike of mine is extremely heavy (7l/100km). This is the first time I'm working on a carb so any advice from the experts here will be gratefully accepted. I'll post pics here as I do the job!

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/IMAG0425.jpg)

The graph on the dynojet kit shows a roughly ten percent increase in torque over virtually the entire usable rev range. That should put a little spunk into her :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on March 23, 2010, 06:06:30 pm
I spent R600 getting luggage racks designed, but the engineer has lost the electronic CAD images, so I have it printed and don't think I can use it :( Anyone wana make and sell me a rack??? PM me!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 24, 2010, 07:58:07 am
I've got one, it's the OEM rack as it was fitted to some country model DR650SE. It fits onto every DR650SE after a small modification of the plastic frame cover (drill two holes for the mountings). Looks very neat, good for a togbag, tailpack or topbox. Only used once or twice.

Also still have DR650SE progressive Wilbers fork springs 1 set in stock and ordering new stock end of this week.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: GraZer on March 24, 2010, 01:50:56 pm
Hi All

The missus's 2007 DR650SE arrived yesterday and we now have the task of sorting out all the little extras that it needs.
Lecap, you mentioned on one of the other threads that you may be able to arrange a nice bash plate for it?
The bike also needs a windscreen and I have seen other WD's have fitted the GS650 windscreen. I would like to hear from other DR owners as to what they recommend in the windscreen department.
Where can we get a nice luggage rack for the bike?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on March 24, 2010, 01:55:32 pm
I've got one, it's the OEM rack as it was fitted to some country model DR650SE. It fits onto every DR650SE after a small modification of the plastic frame cover (drill two holes for the mountings). Looks very neat, good for a togbag, tailpack or topbox. Only used once or twice.

Also still have DR650SE progressive Wilbers fork springs 1 set in stock and ordering new stock end of this week.

If the rack is still available...a photo pse...and price?

What type of rack do you use Lecap?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 24, 2010, 03:21:14 pm
Is it kosher to ask in this thread about price?? If so, what you want for them springs lecap?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on March 24, 2010, 05:28:28 pm
I spent R600 getting luggage racks designed, but the engineer has lost the electronic CAD images, so I have it printed and don't think I can use it :( Anyone wana make and sell me a rack??? PM me!!!

Phone Simon at Waterjet! And copy mine!!!!

You can still make the top plate bigger....

The guy should have it on the computer.. :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 24, 2010, 10:03:25 pm
Is it kosher to ask in this thread about price?? If so, what you want for them springs lecap?
R1500 plus postage
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 25, 2010, 06:45:03 pm
Ordered a 14T front sprocket last night. On my previous bike, F650, I went down one tooth on the front and it made a noticeable difference on the rideability of the bike between the gears at low revs as well the slow 1st gear stuff. In 5th gear one basically "lost" about 10km/h. The DR seems to have a very fast 1st gear. Having said that, for the short time that I put on a free flow exhaust on the DR, it increased the usable rev range significantly. Anyway, will let you know how the smaller sprocket pans out.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 25, 2010, 07:01:00 pm
Ordered a 14T front sprocket last night. On my previous bike, F650, I went down one tooth on the front and it made a noticeable difference on the rideability of the bike between the gears at low revs as well the slow 1st gear stuff. In 5th gear one basically "lost" about 10km/h. The DR seems to have a very fast 1st gear. Having said that, for the short time that I put on a free flow exhaust on the DR, it increased the usable rev range significantly. Anyway, will let you know how the smaller sprocket pans out.

Where did you order from?? The 14t is a popular mod. Big difference offroad, apparently.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on March 25, 2010, 07:14:16 pm
Hi All

The missus's 2007 DR650SE arrived yesterday and we now have the task of sorting out all the little extras that it needs.
Lecap, you mentioned on one of the other threads that you may be able to arrange a nice bash plate for it?
The bike also needs a windscreen and I have seen other WD's have fitted the GS650 windscreen. I would like to hear from other DR owners as to what they recommend in the windscreen department.
Where can we get a nice luggage rack for the bike?

Congrats...I'm sure she'll be very happy. I love my DR :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 25, 2010, 07:37:35 pm
Ordered a 14T front sprocket last night. On my previous bike, F650, I went down one tooth on the front and it made a noticeable difference on the rideability of the bike between the gears at low revs as well the slow 1st gear stuff. In 5th gear one basically "lost" about 10km/h. The DR seems to have a very fast 1st gear. Having said that, for the short time that I put on a free flow exhaust on the DR, it increased the usable rev range significantly. Anyway, will let you know how the smaller sprocket pans out.

Where did you order from?? The 14t is a popular mod. Big difference offroad, apparently.

From our not so local Procycle shop Jenks. As usual postage is the killer for only one sprocket but only seems to go up $5 for every further one ordered. Also ordered the smaller retaining plate for the 14T but from what I have read the standard one is easily modified.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 27, 2010, 11:38:32 am
Yup. Postage is )T%$) expensive :( Let's do a group order next time??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 28, 2010, 05:01:39 pm
Just done the jetting. Bike started up first time :) I'll post some pics and more thoughts anon!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 28, 2010, 06:13:40 pm
Hi All

The missus's 2007 DR650SE arrived yesterday and we now have the task of sorting out all the little extras that it needs.
Lecap, you mentioned on one of the other threads that you may be able to arrange a nice bash plate for it?
The bike also needs a windscreen and I have seen other WD's have fitted the GS650 windscreen. I would like to hear from other DR owners as to what they recommend in the windscreen department.
Where can we get a nice luggage rack for the bike?


I got the Pro Moto Billet rear rack from CT. Not cheap, something like R1 800-00 ex VAT. It is the best made rack that I have ever seen.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 29, 2010, 12:46:16 pm
Jetting update

I found the jetting install and tune actually quite easy.

Removed the side covers and seat, then the tank and the airbox. Disconnected the carb cables and loosened the clamps. Off she came! Next time I'll take more pics to remind myself of where everything should go (I had to deduce it during the reassembly - dodgy!)

An impact driver is essentiall as the fastening screws, top ( the slide cover) and bottom (the bowl), are as tight as the advrider guys say they are. I started stripping the heads - so whipped out the impact dirver. Put the carb (gently!!!) in a vice and gave each screw a few taps. Success! The screws came out no problem.

Pulled the slide and installed the needle after carefully looking at the diagrammes. Installed the 155 main jet (recommended on adv for 5500 ft asl).

Then moved to the bowl. I suspected this might be the main cause of my very heavy fuel consumption on the US import bike. I checked the float height against the recommended 14.7 mm +or- 1mm. It was way low - indicating an overall rich condition on the carb. So I readjusted the little metal tongue to within spec. I'm hoping that will cure the consumption issue. I'll see in the coming weeks.

I also drilled the soft plug and installed the extended fuel mixture screw.

The one regret I think I might have is drilling the slide to (allegedly :) ) improve throttle response. There is an excellent thread I discovered a few minutes ago that cautions strongly against this:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165176&page=2
(post by ray allazura - EXCELLENT!!!!)

I'm getting a slight bogging at low rpm when the throttle is opened (very slight) - possibly confirming his warning. But it's very minor.

I had earlier removed the snorkel and cut a three centimetre circular hole in the top of the airbox next the the snorkel hole (not wanting to go the whole hog a la Jesse http://www.kientech.com/DJDR650AbMod.htm (http://www.kientech.com/DJDR650AbMod.htm)).

MY INITIAL IMPRESSIONS

I really expected to sit for weeks adjusting, bitching, adjusting and bitching some more. But the bike started first time! (after a few turns on primer). I then very quickly found the happy idling mixture using the extended fuel mixture screw.

The bike seems a lot happier (should be, I suppose, given my hyper rich original situation!!). It pulls stronger - but not as much stronger as I'd expected. There is a very slight hesitation on opening throttle from idle (could be the extra hole in the slide - which I may plug).

Slight surge on close to full throttle roll on - possibly indicating a leanish setting. I've gone back to the web to investigate. I'll probably lift the needle to fourth clip. Don't think I'll go one jet up (to 160) at this stage.

Overall was it worth it?

YES!! Especially given my shockingly bad fuel consumption. The bike runs quite a lot better, has more mid range guts and idles MUCH better! It still needs some dialling-in - so things will still get even better.

I've learnt a shootload and feel much more confident about working on a carb. Next time I pull and readjust - it'll take a quarter of the time. I couldn't have even contemplated this without the hundreds of posts by the guys at advrider and thumpertalk.

Soooo - still to do ...

- I may open up the top of the airbox a little more. I'm keeping all the cutouts so I can reverse this if necessary. Admittedly this leans out the bike even more. But it should improve breathing and is easily counterbalanced by adjustments at the carb.

- Move the needle to fouth clip from third (richening mid to top range on the primary circuit)

- I may also richen the overall mixture slightly by moderating my adjustment on the float.

I'll add some pics soon to this post.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on March 29, 2010, 05:41:53 pm
This is a post from an overseas forum. Thought it might be of interest to someone considering a new battery. It is a bit long winded but I could not find the original URL. Not too sure how good this is for the starter motor but I reckon it should be okay.



The following is an article I wrote back in 2003 on doing a DR650SE battery upgrade, it should still apply today:

The '96 to present Suzuki DR650SE comes from the factory with a Yuasa YTX9-BS battery. This is a high-quality AGM (absorbed glass mat) type battery, which is sealed and maintenance free. AGM batteries last much longer than conventional flooded-cell batteries in normal service. Additionally they can withstand much greater shock and vibration, making them ideal for motorcycles, especially dual-sport models.

In most cases the original factory installed Yuasa YTX9-BS battery should last 3 to 5 years or more if properly maintained. While that is an admirable service life, nothing lasts forever, and since the DR650SE first came out in 1996, many owners will have replaced the original battery at least once, and others will be considering a replacement soon. Since the original battery performs so well, many would simply replace the stock Yuasa YTX9-BS with another of the same make and model. That is not a bad strategy, however if you are willing to spend a little more, I have discovered a replacement battery with *significantly* higher output and equal or higher quality that can be installed as an option. Unfortunately if one is not careful, there are many lower quality and performance batteries on the market as well.

I found through experience that not all motorcycle battery manufacturers make a replacement for the original Yuasa YTX9-BS that matches the fit, quality and performance of the original. With so many manufacturers (including Yuasa) private labeling batteries under different names for various retailers or distributors, and many using the same or similar sounding part numbers, it can be very difficult to know exactly what you are getting when you order a "YTX9-BS".

For example, in 2001 I ordered a replacement battery over the counter at my local Suzuki dealer, specifying that I wanted the same battery that came new in the bike from Suzuki. Instead they produced a different brand, saying that it had identical specifications and that it was made by Yuasa even though it had a different brand name. While it looked similar (had exactly the same shape, size, and terminal configuration), there were subtle differences in appearance, which told me the battery was not actually made by Yuasa. While it seemed to perform acceptably upon initial installation, it rapidly deteriorated, lasting only 1 year before failing completely.

Since the DR650SE does not feature a kick-starter, when the replacement battery failed I had to resort to push-starting the beast. I can tell you from experience that push starting a big thumper like the DR650SE is not easy! Anything less than 5th gear caused the rear tire to lock-up immediately upon releasing the clutch, and a 5th gear start required a very fast push to turn the engine over quick enough to start it. Functioning only a year before failing is a dismal performance when compared to the 5+ years that the original Yuasa battery had lasted. In fact pending the purchase of another replacement, I re-installed the original (by this time 6-year old) Yuasa YTX9-BS back into the bike since it still started the
bike.

After the unacceptable result of my first battery replacement, I vowed that the next replacement battery I installed would be an OEM Yuasa model. However, from my experiences with automotive batteries, I know that there are often several batteries available in a given physical form-factor, some with higher output ratings than others. After studying the full 2003 Yuasa catalog, I found that Yuasa makes at least one higher output battery that EXACTLY matches the size of the original, and two more that have even higher output ratings, and which are the same size as the original with the only exception of being slightly taller. The following table lists Yuasa replacement batteries which will fit the DR650SE. View in a monospace (preferrably courier) font and the columns will be properly aligned.

1996 to present DR650SE Replacement Batteries:

|Capacity | Size (in) | Size (mm) | Wt
OEM OEM p/n Cell| AH CCA | L W H | L W H | lbs
---------------------|---------|----------------------|-------------|-----
Yuasa YTZ7S* AGM | 6 130 | 4 7/16 2 11/16 4 1/8 | 113 70 105 | 4.6
Yuasa YTX9-BS AGM | 8 120 | 5 7/8 3 3/8 4 1/8 | 150 87 105 | 6.8
Yuasa YT12A-BS AGM | 9.5 175 | 5 7/8 3 3/8 4 1/8 | 150 87 105 | 7.8
Yuasa YTZ12S AGM | 11 210 | 5 7/8 3 3/8 4 5/16| 150 87 110 | 8.1
Yuasa YTZ14S AGM |11.2 230 | 5 7/8 3 3/8 4 5/16| 150 87 110 | 8.6

*Note: Spacers required on 2 sides for proper fit, and reversed terminals may require longer cables.
Note: YTX9-BS is stock.

As you can see from the chart above, in particular the YTZ14S has a 40% greater AH (amp-hour) rating and nearly a 92% greater CCA (cold cranking amps) rating, while being exactly the same size except in height, and then it is only about 3/16-inch (5mm) taller! The question was would the slightly taller height cause any installation or interference problems? Upon inspection of the bike, I could tell that it would not.

In addition to having significantly higher output ratings, the YTZ batteries are sold as "activated and sealed". This means they are filled with acid and permanently sealed at the factory, instead of requiring the end user to fill and activate them as with the standard YTX series. In otherwords, the battery is ready to install right out of the box, and you never have to mess with acid filling and activation. Also important is the terminals on the YTZ batteries match the stock YTX9-BS, including the positive/negative orientation, so the stock battery cables attach perfectly with no modifications.

To test my theory I ordered and installed a YTZ14S in my '97 DR650SE and can report that it is indeed a drop-in installation requiring no modifications whatsoever to the bike. The only adjustment necessary was to add 1 or 2 10mm washers under each of the two battery retainer bolts, which space the retainer bar up slightly to compensate for the additional height.Most importantly, the additional height does not interfere with the seat, which features a generous relief on the underside specifically designed to clear the rear  dge of the battery. The YTZ14S weighs only 8.6 lbs, which is 2 lbs. more than the stock YTX9-BS, which  isn't bad considering the substantially higher output.

Once I had identified the battery I wanted, I found that ordering a specific make and model battery can sometimes be an exercise in frustration, especially one that is relatively new on the market and otherwise hard to find. For one thing I wanted an actual Yuasa brand YTZ14S, not anything similar or re-labeled. Fortunately there doesn't appear to be any equivalent battery from any other manufacturer, which helps to eliminate any undesirable substitutions.

Another problem is that many shops sell batteries by model fitment, meaning they will ask you what bike the battery is for. Of course when you tell them it's going into a DR650SE, they'll blow a fuse since the battery you are asking for won't show up in their fitment chart. As a solution, if you encounter somebody who sells batteries only by the bike fitment, merely tell them the battery is for a 2003 Honda ST1300, which is one of the only bikes that use this battery as original equipment.

Since it comes in at least the Honda ST1300, you can get one of these batteries from any Honda dealer, however the price will be about $125 plus tax. The best price I could find on-line (where they knew about this model battery and actually had one in stock) was for $106 at <http://www.imotorcyclestore.com>.   here was no sales tax since I am out-of-state, however there was an additional $12 charge for shipping. After ordering I received the battery via UPS in only a couple of business days, and it was exactly what I had ordered.

Since the Yuasa YTZ14S has nearly twice the cranking amp output of the original YTX9-BS, the bike cranks noticeably quicker and starts easier, especially when cold. I can say with confidence that the Yuasa YTZ14S is absolutely, positively, the BEST replacement battery on the market today for the '96 and up DR650SE!
Scott.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on March 30, 2010, 05:59:00 pm
I got an OEM Rack from lecap today... How do I get the cable out of the turn signals? I've pulled one of them apart and still cant get the cable out of it? thanks :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 31, 2010, 06:17:09 am
Disconnect the other end ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on March 31, 2010, 07:36:38 am
Disconnect the other end ;D

mmmm.... seems a complicated process, that cable looked rather long...?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 31, 2010, 09:04:46 am
shouldn't be.

mine sat just underneath the seat and they had a nice clip connector.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on March 31, 2010, 09:31:10 am
The cables are relatively long. They connect to the main wiring loom under the seat slightly ahead of the seat mounting bolts.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 31, 2010, 03:12:16 pm
Does the drilled out carb slide cause any issues like hiccups when you open up or stall when you blip throttle at idle?

the bike does stall on occasion as I try to pull off,  after idling at a robot.
been thinking about this mod for a bit,  thinking of sealing the hole - will pratley steel be fuel resistant?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on March 31, 2010, 04:14:18 pm
Just so you know, Wrench drilled mine out a bit different. Instead of drilling an extra small hole to the one side, he expanded the center hole instead. I'm pretty happy with how the bike is going now. Doesn't bog down when I open up quickly (except when cold) in fact it just starts to lift the front wheel. :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 31, 2010, 06:28:45 pm
Does the drilled out carb slide cause any issues like hiccups when you open up or stall when you blip throttle at idle?

the bike does stall on occasion as I try to pull off,  after idling at a robot.
been thinking about this mod for a bit,  thinking of sealing the hole - will pratley

I was thinking glue gun (the one that uses those white sticks and basically melts them into a thick liquid. It solidifies back into plastic).

But I found a post by mx_rob on this and he recommends just adjusting your your idle mixture. Rob argues that the stumble is caused by a too rich setting on the fuel mixture screw. I've been toying with the setting on the screw today. I think it might work!

I'm really nervous about putting foreign materials into the carb mechanism :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on March 31, 2010, 06:57:15 pm
Ganj - also check your idle speed, It may be too slow. Do you also have the dynojet kit??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on March 31, 2010, 07:14:56 pm
Ganj - also check your idle speed, It may be too slow. Do you also have the dynojet kit??

jenks,  i've spent thousands at SAB,  but never did a dyno yet...
more interesting i'm going to durbs tomorrow - the 'alternate' route - RR to follow.
my klr also had a dyno tuned slide carb (with pretty much the same mods),  and it nearly vomited a piston when i dropped the approx 700m alt from jhb to kimberly...
last time duct tape over the airbox richened it up.
been to 2200m so far - no issues,
will be conducting the same experiment.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 01, 2010, 07:54:04 am
Sorry for the hijack

Cant find LuckyStrikers posts on fitting the 33L safari tank to his DR?

Anyone know where it is?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 01, 2010, 07:56:34 am
Hahaha - SAB's not a great mod for the dr, I'd hazard  :imaposer:

If your settings are correct for your altitude with the dyno - only good things can happen. Correct jetting and float level and your bike shouldn't chunk a piston. I've yet to see a complaint to that effect on adv or thumpertalk.

Today the dr gets a new set of bars and a home made tail tidy. 8)

Hey - enjoy the ride to Durbs! Look forward to your rr. Last one was a perler.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on April 01, 2010, 08:26:25 am
Sorry for the hijack

Cant find LuckyStrikers posts on fitting the 33L safari tank to his DR?

Anyone know where it is?

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=16198.0

Or try PM him, he's been really friendly/helpful when I've bothered him with DR questions!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 02, 2010, 07:27:49 am
Sorry for the hijack

Cant find LuckyStrikers posts on fitting the 33L safari tank to his DR?

Anyone know where it is?

No need to look for the thread.
Fit of the tank is crappy, crappy not just poor. The alli cross brace looks as if they make it behind a shack in Khayelitsha. The bike that received LS's tank after he sold his needed the tank rubbers to cut oval to get anywhere near a decent fit. The tank is quite fat ruining the nice slim feel and good knee contact of the DR's seating position and it puts a lot of extra weight onto the front suspension when full, ideally requiring a set of harder progressive fork springs.

IMHO rather get an IMS or Clarke and spend the extra cash on petrol or beer.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on April 04, 2010, 03:07:49 pm
The cables are relatively long. They connect to the main wiring loom under the seat slightly ahead of the seat mounting bolts.

Found the cables, disconnected them, put the rack on (thanks Crossed-up for the help), and reconnected them.

Now my back lights aren't working :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 05, 2010, 05:13:55 pm
Ganjora

I think I've solved my stumble on idle. I was doing the valves for the 1000km service and noticed the air vent hose (the skinny one) was nosing into the airbox through the open snorkel hole. So when I reassembled, I ran it along the side of the airbox (where the zaust side cover is). I also cut the top of the airbox as in the Jesse pic.

Now the bike runs AWESOME! Much more torque :) No stumbling or surging at top end. What a difference!

I'll pull the plugs just now to check my mixture. But my seat of pantsaometre is telling me this bike is now sorted.

Maybe have a look at your air vent hose location (if you've pulled the snorkel). Those Jap designer put the snorkel there for a reason - to control airflow and avoid miscommunication with the vent pipe and the  carb air hose.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on April 15, 2010, 04:34:47 am
rear suspension is far too soft.
approx 100kg fully kitted.
thinking either new spring or a suspension guru in jhb.
anyone done anything on their bikes?
suspension guru in jhb??



i've noticed a whole bunch of new dr threads all asking individual questions.
shall we try to keep general dr stuff on this thread,  and if you have a gem (like me) you can have a 'your bike' specific thread?
most of the questions have been asked and answered a hundred times.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 15, 2010, 06:09:17 am
Ti's me, I'm the culprit.

Sorry, forgot about the DR thread
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on April 15, 2010, 06:16:19 am
Also need to upgrade suspension, front and back....will keep an eye on this.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 15, 2010, 07:10:23 am
Yeah - too many threads - might piss the riders of lesser bikes off  >:D

Let's try to keep all the stuff in one place :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 15, 2010, 07:18:03 am
I have springs about 20% stiffer than the OEM rear spring. Should cover the 100kg - 130kg rider weight bracket nicely.
Requires minor modification of the spring seats. Revalving also a good idea. Around R 2800 for everything incl. spring & full dampre rebuild & revalve, seals, oil & gas.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on April 15, 2010, 07:21:19 am
I have springs about 20% stiffer than the OEM rear spring. Should cover the 100kg - 130kg rider weight bracket nicely.
Requires minor modification of the spring seats. Revalving also a good idea. Around R 2800 for everything incl. spring & full dampre rebuild & revalve, seals, oil & gas.

turn around time?
when it returns,  it'll be pre-set for me?   just bolt on?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on April 15, 2010, 04:54:48 pm
Ordered a 14T front sprocket last night. On my previous bike, F650, I went down one tooth on the front and it made a noticeable difference on the rideability of the bike between the gears at low revs as well the slow 1st gear stuff. In 5th gear one basically "lost" about 10km/h. The DR seems to have a very fast 1st gear. Having said that, for the short time that I put on a free flow exhaust on the DR, it increased the usable rev range significantly. Anyway, will let you know how the smaller sprocket pans out.

how much did it come to?
rideability?
1st is tall in the rough.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on April 15, 2010, 07:11:56 pm
Ordered a 14T front sprocket last night. On my previous bike, F650, I went down one tooth on the front and it made a noticeable difference on the rideability of the bike between the gears at low revs as well the slow 1st gear stuff. In 5th gear one basically "lost" about 10km/h. The DR seems to have a very fast 1st gear. Having said that, for the short time that I put on a free flow exhaust on the DR, it increased the usable rev range significantly. Anyway, will let you know how the smaller sprocket pans out.

how much did it come to?
rideability?
1st is tall in the rough.

Hi Ganjora. As of yet have not received the order so cannot comment on the difference. Order was as follows:

Sprocket Retainer (do not really need this)   $12.95
Shipping Insurance                                        $ 3.00
14T 525 Front Sprocket                                  $15.00
Feeler Guage                                                 $12.95
Shipping                                                         $40.25
Total                                                               $84.15

As you can see the shipping is bad news so rather do a group order. Once my sprockets & chain are worn out I plan to order  a  520 chain & sprockets. 520 is a more popular size and normally much easier to obtain - not too sure about the DR size sprockets but will do my homework closer to the time. With my BMW F650 I used to look on the JT web site, get the relevant sprocket number, and order them from the local Yamaha dealer.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 16, 2010, 07:14:40 am
520 chain kits for the DR650SE are readily available. I'm reluctant to use them as you save only about R 200 on a top quality DID chain and the price for sprockets is more or less the same. Not sure if that balances for less service life of the narower chain & sprockets.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 16, 2010, 07:18:05 am
I have springs about 20% stiffer than the OEM rear spring. Should cover the 100kg - 130kg rider weight bracket nicely.
Requires minor modification of the spring seats. Revalving also a good idea. Around R 2800 for everything incl. spring & full dampre rebuild & revalve, seals, oil & gas.

turn around time?
when it returns,  it'll be pre-set for me?   just bolt on?

If you courier overnight on Monday morning you'll have it back on Friday.

Preset to bolt on. Once it's in (BEFORE you put exhaust back on) you check (and adjust if necessary) the spring preload. Easy peasy.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 16, 2010, 07:20:36 am
BTW: DR650SE bash plates are in production again. Only six for now. R 1800 + postage. It's time to order now!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on April 16, 2010, 08:21:54 am
thanks lecap.
it may well be the way to go...   unfortunately a bit pricey.
my setup is standard.   how can i set the standard a bit better?
want to give that a try before i drop R2800 + postage (which i'll only have at month end anyway...)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 16, 2010, 09:09:51 am
Crank up the preload. Please not all the way as far as the threads go as as there are important things to consider such as the spring block length and tensile strength of the spring steel. (Too much preload will destroy the shock when the spring bottoms out or destroy the spring by collapsing it).

I'll check in the WSM for max. preload and let you know later. (238.5mm spring length as far as I remember)
Turn the damper adjustment a tad in if the bike wallows over fast humps after increasing the preload.

Not sure if you can adjust without removing the shock from the bike it's at least a schlepp to get to the adjuster with c - spanners.

Note: The preload adjustment WILL change the ride height / relation between positive (compressive) travel and negative (expansive) travel of the rear suspension.
The preload adjustment will NOT prevent the shock from bottoming out as preloading the spring does NOT change the spring rate.

An ideal preload setting gives about 30% negative suspension travel. More preload and less negative travel reduces traction on rough surfaces. Less preload and more negative travel is no problem as long as the shock does not bottom out repeatedly under average to rough conditions.

Every shock on every bike WILL bottom out if you just ride hard enough.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on April 16, 2010, 04:07:01 pm
Mr.Lecap:
My 12000km service is coming up.What is the main things to do?And to get?How much?
I see my-both rear and front brakeflued is on the lower mark.
Where to get the stuf? What to look at,Im doing this service myself.
Thanx
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Etienne2T on April 16, 2010, 04:11:47 pm
I see my-both rear and front brakeflued is on the lower mark.
Where to get the stuf? What to look at,Im doing this service myself.
Thanx

Any garage sells brake fluid, look ontop of the brake fluid resivior to see if its dot 3 etc
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on April 17, 2010, 08:33:59 am
Saw this interesting article about chains - especially about what to look out for on a mis-aligned chain.

http://www.motorcycle.com/products/all-about-chains-3524.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 18, 2010, 10:01:30 am
Mr.Lecap:
My 12000km service is coming up.What is the main things to do?And to get?How much?
I see my-both rear and front brakeflued is on the lower mark.
Where to get the stuf? What to look at,Im doing this service myself.
Thanx
Oil, filter, valves and the whole lot of preventive maintenance like oiling all hte cables and checking everything. Esp. have a look at he rear wheel spokes the odd one tends to snap ocasionally.
You should also disassemble the swingarm pivot and suspension lever and grease all the needle bearings if it hasn't been done yet.

Oil filter & spark plugs from every bike shop.

I see my-both rear and front brakeflued is on the lower mark.
Where to get the stuf? What to look at,Im doing this service myself.
Thanx

Any garage sells brake fluid, look ontop of the brake fluid resivior to see if its dot 3 etc

Dot 3 brake fluid was phased out, probably before you were born ;D
Buy DOT5.1 it's compatible, much better and only marginally more expensive than DOT4
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 19, 2010, 06:33:52 am
What is the difference between Dot 5 and Dot 5.1..?

I think I read the Dot 5 was synthetic and eats the seals..
Not very good for Nature and all.   ;D

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 19, 2010, 08:09:40 am
Differences between DOT 5 and DOT5.1:

DOT3, DOT4 and DOT5.1 are glycol ester based and fully compatible and mixable. Means you can top up DOT3 and DOT4 with DOT5.1 and vice versa and you don't have to take any precautions like cleaning the system when you replace the fluid. Just drain, fill & bleed air.
For obvious reasons it's advisable not to top up with lower grade fluid than the OEM / recommended fill.

Glycol ester based brake fluids are hygroscopic and will absorb moisture through porous rubber brake lines, reservoir diaphagms and piston seals during their service life. This causes a drop of the boiling point from 205°C to 140°C (DOT3), 230°C to 155°C (DOT4) and 270°C to 191°C (DOT5.1) from the new fluid to a sample which is saturated with moisture. Note that these are min. requirements and some quality DOT5.1 brake fluids actually have higher wet boiling points (3.7% water by volume) than the dry boiling point of DOT3.

DOT3, 4 and 5.1 fluids should be replaced every year or at least every second year. As an indicator of its age and condition check the colour which changes from almost clear (new) via yellow (ok), dark yellow (still ok) to amber (replace) and brown (overdue to replace).

DOT5 is silicone based.
It is significantly more compressible that glycol ester based fluids. Used in the same system it would give a more spongy and  soft pressure point of the brake and reduce brake control. Systems designed to use DOT5 usually take this into account by using modified hydraulic and mechanic transmission ratios, brake boosters & servos.
Mosture that is present in or enters the system will cause corrosion due to the fluids inability to disperse water.
DOT5 brake fluid is not hygroscopic and does not degrade at a rate making fluid change necesary unless the system was disturbed or moisture has entered the system. Accumulation of moisture and corrosion is less of a problem (=slower) than the degradation of glycol ester brake fluid making DOT5 the ideal solution for mil. applications where the advantage of reducend maintenance requirements outweights performance loss.

Humvee gets shot to pieces or blown up by IED before the brakes seize from corrosion ;D

A switch to DOT5 is ideally done at the factory or on a rebuild system before filling as no residue of a previous glycol ester fluid fill is allowed. A system previously running on glycol ester brake fluid would have to get completely disassembled, cleaned and dried before it can be filled with silicone based DOT5 fluid.

Rubber components and seals of brake systems designed to be used with brake fluid are compatible with ALL brake fluids DOT 3, 4, 5, and 5.1 but are NOT compatible with mineral oil based hydraulic fluids like Motorex clutch fluid, Citroen LHM, ATF, motorcycle fork & shock absorber oil and the components used in the respective systems.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 19, 2010, 08:32:13 am
Good stuff.  Thanks Lecap

Whats the most common one used, Dot 4..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 19, 2010, 09:07:07 am
DOT5.1 is available almost everywhere, Ferodo from Midas for about R30 for 250ml. No name DOT4 is something like R20 for 250ml. If you're desperate to have change for a tin of Black Label on the way home buy DOT4

Else go straight for DOT5.1
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 19, 2010, 09:23:39 am
Naaaa, I think I can afford the extra R10.

Thanks you.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 19, 2010, 10:47:24 am
Hi guys, wonder if you could help... not a lot of people on 600's anymore.

My DR600 cyllinder head uses four 10mm and two 12mm nuts, which fit 14mm and 12mm sockets and spanners respectively. What size nuts are used on the DR650? Where can these strange nuts be found besides from Suzuki?

Thank you in advance...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 19, 2010, 11:40:56 am
If the socket sizes are 12mm and 14mm the thread sizes will typically be 8mm and 10mm (?)

The 8mm will most probably be a standard thread M8 (M8x1.25mm) for which you can get 13mm hex nuts off the shelf. 12mm only from Suzuki or other Japanese suppliers.

Not sure about the 10mm thread  nut but it's most probably a M10x1.25mm fine thread. Should be no problem to get them for 14mm socket size. Both M10x1.5mm (standard thread) and M10x1.25mm nuts are usually manufactured in 17mm but high tensile steel ones (class 10) come as 14mm.

From good engineering components  & fasteners suppliers.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 19, 2010, 12:10:04 pm
LoopSoosStroop, where about do you stay.  I stay in Centurion and get most of my fasteners at Acorm Fasteners.

What I usually do is take the bolts to them, they measure them up and give me the equivalent in hex nuts.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 19, 2010, 12:40:44 pm
Hi Manfred

Stay in Sunninghill. Place in Midrand stocks a lot of fasteners, will go there first. Where is Acorm, in Centurion?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 19, 2010, 01:07:03 pm
LoopSoosStroop, PM sent
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on April 19, 2010, 01:40:12 pm
BTW: DR650SE bash plates are in production again. Only six for now. R 1800 + postage. It's time to order now!

Have put my name on the list before. Will still take one.

PM send.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on April 19, 2010, 10:26:06 pm
Thanx Lecap,

Have at least an idea of the main things I have to take care of now .
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 20, 2010, 06:30:16 am
Help !!!

Ive put the bike on a stand, the steering moves easily from left to right.

But I park the bike for a while, using the steering lock.
When I come back a little later and apply weight on the bike, I get a knocking sound.
This knocking sound is around the steering area.

Is the steering too loose that it binds somewhere..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 20, 2010, 06:53:06 am
Get the steering head bearings checked.

To DIY proceed as follows:

Bike on tomato box / milk crate. (Or paddock stand + jack under lower fwd. engine mount if you're fully equipped).
Front wheel off the ground.
Turn steering slowly with two fingers on one bar end and feel if the bearings are notchy around the centre position. If you feel ever so slightly higher resistance in the steering at one position the bearings are buggered. The steering should fall slowly to the left by the weight of the brake caliper. (although you have to make sure this is not prevented by ill routed cables).
Feeling for a loose steering head is a bit more tricky as you have to know how it feels and not mix it up with play between inner and outer fork tube or the bike moving on its supports.
Ideally have someone sit on the bike and support it as good and steady as possible.
Give the forks a sharp tug forward and backward while you stand in front of the bike grabbing the forks around the top of the outer tubes. Do not tug on the lower end as you can often feel play between the tubes as mentioned above.

OEM steering head bearings are kark expensive (R1040) and no Beariong Man generics are available.
All Balls supplies chinese generics which seem fine and cost aboutt half. In any case make sure they are fitted properly as ill adjusted bearings will cause stability problems and perish within a few thousand kms.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 20, 2010, 07:01:15 am
Scheit, and I was going to do my own 1000 km service.
Im just over 1000km, whats the limit before they refuse to service the bike..?

Lecap, the steering, when I have the bike jacked up, it falls quickly to the left.
I have to stop it before it bangs on the steering stops.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 20, 2010, 07:18:38 am
Oh, forgot you have a new one.
Take it to some place to check the steering head bearings carefully. Good bike mechanic, NOT the agents.
If the mechanic says the bearings are too loose take it to Suzuki and get them replaced on warranty.
Every single one of my 7 DR's came with overtightened steering head bearings from the PDI.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 20, 2010, 07:26:58 am
Hmmm, I'll give Runner a call
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on April 22, 2010, 07:35:12 am
Out of interest, I saw that you cannot fit a 14t f/sprocket with out some form of adaptor, else the chain rubs against your casing. Any truth in that?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 09:00:36 am
Found this on TT

'On my old DR I used the stock retainer plate with the 14T CS. It wasn't a problem at all. The only evidence that could be seen was the outside part of the chain got a bit shiny for the first few miles. On my new DR, I went ahead and ordered the sprocket and retainer clip from Procycle. To me, it just seems more secure. '

Here is the link if you want to read further:

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/thread/882216/525-14t-sprocket
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 09:43:55 am
Something you guys might find interesting.

Dude has a write up on different sprockets used, front and back.

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/thread/896362/how-to-change-and-adapt-gearing-on-a-dual-sport-dr650
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 10:04:28 am
Help !!!

Ive put the bike on a stand, the steering moves easily from left to right.

But I park the bike for a while, using the steering lock.
When I come back a little later and apply weight on the bike, I get a knocking sound.
This knocking sound is around the steering area.

Is the steering too loose that it binds somewhere..?

Form what I wrote before, Im not so sure now.
Do you guys think its possible that its the spring in the rear shock thats making the noise.
I adjusted it to its stiffeste setting, 238.5mm
Could the spring perhaps be in the wrong position that I need to turn it a bit..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 10:12:14 am
I weigh about 100kg's, the spring has been set to its stiffest.
What setting would you guys suggest for the shock damping force.
STD position is 8 clicks out
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 22, 2010, 10:37:41 am
Check if the rear shock spring clears the bolt sticking out from the exhaust connector clamp.

Do you hold by any chance the front brake while "applying weight"?
And do you maybe mrock the bike forward and back a bit?
Cause then it's the play of the brake pads in the caliper causing the knock.

Re: damper setting: First check if the bike wallows (highway speed) if you ride fast over a shallow tarmac hump. If not don't adjust.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 10:45:19 am
Dont hold the front brake, just put my weight on the seat and it makes the noise.

I thought it was the steering, but when I check now, it could be anywhere.

Damper setting, it does wallow at speed.  I pumped the tyres to Front-175, Rear-200
That seemed to help, then set the shock to the stiffest setting, helped a little more.
The wallowing is still there, but not as bad.
Would I turn in to stiffen up..?
Im guessing this is trial and error until it feels right.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Broncoza on April 22, 2010, 11:34:10 am
Hi to all

If you are looking for the balls for the top part of steering head setup,  try your local bicycle shop.  Got mine for a whole 15c each and they seem to last fine;  mind you at under R5.00 to replace so long as the bottom bearing doesn't go as well;  I'll replace more often.

I see some tyre pressures being bandied about - any suggestions on Dunlop D606's on semi technical terrain?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on April 22, 2010, 11:40:47 am
Ganjora should be able to help you out there Broncoza
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Broncoza on April 22, 2010, 11:59:19 am
Thanks I'll wait for the replies. 

Is there anybody else on the thread that has to kick start their DR? Would be interested to know if there are any other pre-92's still about in SA either Dakars or Diejbels?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on April 22, 2010, 12:52:51 pm
Hi Broncoza

I've got a 85 DR 600 that I'm kick-starting. Similar to yours just 50cc less capacity. Kicking has never let me down  ;D . I love the kick start 650 though, what a bike. Wish they still made those, would buy a new one for lots of money if I could find it. Even a 600, if it was possible to find a low km, unmolested one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Broncoza on April 22, 2010, 04:34:46 pm
LSS couldn't agree with you more;  I laugh at my mates every time they have a battery problem on their BM's and Kawasaki's.  Pull the lever turn her over once slowly,  committ to one big kick and away you go. 

Must be honest I am in the market for a bigger DS but the DR will always be my favorite for simplicity and reliability.  Last time I saw a modern bike broken down in Lesotho there was no cell phone comms let alone a laptop with a diagnostic programme on it!!!

Also think that the older DR650 Dakar's were far more prepared out the crate for what we do with them.  I read the posts on the thread for bigger tanks and bash plates;  I ask myself where did it go wrong;  standard tank on my DR is 23L and comes with a bash plate.  Yup it might be 30kgs heavier but in the greater scheme of things that is not much on a DS bike - hell I could loose 10 kgs and bring the rig down to about the same if necessary.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on April 22, 2010, 04:47:45 pm
Also think that the older DR650 Dakar's were far more prepared out the crate for what we do with them.  I read the posts on the thread for bigger tanks and bash plates;  I ask myself where did it go wrong;  standard tank on my DR is 23L and comes with a bash plate.  Yup it might be 30kgs heavier but in the greater scheme of things that is not much on a DS bike - hell I could loose 10 kgs and bring the rig down to about the same if necessary.

Suzuki SURELY should add a 20-something liter tank to the list of extras you get when you buy a DR?!?!?! Apart from that its an awesome bike :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 22, 2010, 07:00:27 pm
Also think that the older DR650 Dakar's were far more prepared out the crate for what we do with them.  I read the posts on the thread for bigger tanks and bash plates;  I ask myself where did it go wrong;  standard tank on my DR is 23L and comes with a bash plate.  Yup it might be 30kgs heavier but in the greater scheme of things that is not much on a DS bike - hell I could loose 10 kgs and bring the rig down to about the same if necessary.

Suzuki SURELY should add a 20-something liter tank to the list of extras you get when you buy a DR?!?!?! Apart from that its an awesome bike :)
+1million  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on April 23, 2010, 07:59:59 am
Lecap

Regarding the lowering of the DR....

With the "C" block turned, as to lower the rear suspension, in what position does the bolt at the bottom of the shock need to be...top or bottom position? (Sorry...cant find your previously reply.)

What is the function of the plate that partialy closes the top hole?

You have also mentioned that the torque setting for a certain bolt needs to be 30 Nm, and not 60 Nm! Which one is that!

I have stripped the rear shock to grease all the linkages...Any torque specs for the rest of the bolts?

Thanx
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 23, 2010, 08:45:40 am
Lecap

Regarding the lowering of the DR....

With the "C" block turned, as to lower the rear suspension, in what position does the bolt at the bottom of the shock need to be...top or bottom position? (Sorry...cant find your previously reply.)

What is the function of the plate that partialy closes the top hole?

You have also mentioned that the torque setting for a certain bolt needs to be 30 Nm, and not 60 Nm! Which one is that!

I have stripped the rear shock to grease all the linkages...Any torque specs for the rest of the bolts?

Thanx

For the low suspension setting the bolt goes into the upper hole (closer to the spring).

The funny sheet metal plate? No one really knows. The workshop manual says discard when you lower.

The lower shock mounting bolt. If you apply 60Nm of torque as indicated in the workshop manual you will strip the thread out of the mounting fork of the shock.
Either use high tensile strength thread lock (like Loctite 270) and torque to 30Nm or alternatively get a decent, longer bolt with a decent allen cap (NEVER use 12' or cheapo sockets to loosen the OEM bolt or you'll round the head!) and a matching clamp nut, tighten the longer bolt to 30Nm and counter.

I sell the longer bolts, 12.9 high tensile strength, lekker bling yellow cadmium electroplated against rust, R 100 incl. the clamp nut.
I can send you one with your bash plate. (Still sitting here, had to take fasteners back to electroplating, did not come out 100%)

As for the other torques (as far as I remember, no guarantee, will check and edit tonight if necessary):
Upper shock mount in frame: 55Nm
Bolt attaching suspension lever to frame: 77Nm
2 bolts attaching tension struts to suspension lever and swingarm: 90Nm
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 23, 2010, 08:53:02 am
Hi to all

If you are looking for the balls for the top part of steering head setup,  try your local bicycle shop.  Got mine for a whole 15c each and they seem to last fine;  mind you at under R5.00 to replace so long as the bottom bearing doesn't go as well;  I'll replace more often.

I see some tyre pressures being bandied about - any suggestions on Dunlop D606's on semi technical terrain?



The DR650SE has tapered roller bearings. If adjusted correctly on assembly and not molested with pressure washers they outlive the bike.
If you need loose ball bearing balls you can also get them from Bearing Man. Just note that the races will most likely also be fcuked and your bike still goes around corners like a drunk.

And for the SE's electric start: The OEM Yuasa AGM battery lasts +/- 5 years and are virtually immune to broken plates. The starter (on my seven SE's) never gave any trouble. No reason - as KLR's and F650GS's crappy leaking & maintenance intense wet cell batteries - not to go with the wind of change and have a happy button bike.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on April 26, 2010, 03:52:03 pm
Thanx for the Info so far Lecap! :biggrin:

One more torque spec that I need is that of the swingarm pivot bolt.


While I removed all the rear suspension components, I inspected the rear wheel bearings.

Although the bike is suppose to have only 4400kms on clock ('08 model), I found that the bearing in the sprocket "housing", as well as the bearing on the disc side (RH) of the hub, where shot. The LH hub bearing was fine.

I suspect that the bike was abused, and ridden through water/mud. ("Played" with, and no commuting/touring!)

These bearings are only sealed on the one side....is that factory spec?

I ordered all 3 bearings from BM, fully sealed. (And new oil/dust seals.)

Regarding the fitment of the bearings. Can you confirm the fitment procedure. I fitted the LH hub bearing first, pressed it, till against the inner face of the hub...then inserted the pipe type spacer...and pressed the RH bearing into the hub, till flush against the "pipe" spacer. It seems that the RH bearing, when in that position is not flush with the inner face of the hub yet. Is that correct?

Regarding a Workshop Manual for the DR. Can you or other WDs help me with a Digital Copy.

Lecap...you've been extremely helpfull...and others surely learn a lot.

I would prefer to have a Workshop Manual of my own....and not bother you as frequently!

Thanx for all your help!!! ;D ;D 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 27, 2010, 08:05:19 pm
Guys I finally figured what's causing my "heavy" fuel consumption - they (whoever worked on the bike once it landed in SA) replaced the speedo dial, but the drive mechanism still reads mph on my US imported bike.

So I was a-wonderin' would it be legal if I ripped out the speedo and mechanism and replaced the whole shebang with a garmin zumo 660? Would the authorities consider a gps as a valid speedo??

I know it's an off the wall idea. I considered the vapor and then thought why not just get a zumo  O0
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on April 28, 2010, 06:47:02 am
Guys I finally figured what's causing my "heavy" fuel consumption - they (whoever worked on the bike once it landed in SA) replaced the speedo dial, but the drive mechanism still reads mph on my US imported bike.

So I was a-wonderin' would it be legal if I ripped out the speedo and mechanism and replaced the whole shebang with a garmin zumo 660? Would the authorities consider a gps as a valid speedo??

I know it's an off the wall idea. I considered the vapor and then thought why not just get a zumo  O0

You mean they opened the  speedometer, replaced the DIAL with a metric one and stuck it back together ???
So your odo and trip counter is actually counting miles and your speedo is reading km/h ???

Fark!

As far as I know a GPS is not considered a valid speedo as it will loose its reading as soon as you loose your satelites for example in a tunnel.
I am also not sure as of the accuracy of the indicated speed at any given time. The GPS calculates your speed by measuring the time it takes you to travel from point A to point B. Whilst more and more accurate to determine an average over a longer distance the system will be more and more inaccurate trying to measure a momentary speed. Not sure over which time interval a GPS measures distance travelled to determine your speed but if the interval is too long the GPS speedo will lag behind considerably on acceleration or deceleration and will go haywire in a mountain pass with a few switchbacks.

Not too sure about the rules with regards to speedometers here in SA but I remember the authorities in Europe to be rather relaxed. They for example allowed bicycle speedos as long as they were backlit or had some sort of illumination of the display.
Although there are legal requirements for a minimum of accuracy I don't recall that any aftermarket speedo on one of my bikes was ever actualy tested.

Easiest is probably to get a Vapor. Just please fit the temperature sensor onto your cylinder head oil feed and not underneath a spark plug.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on April 28, 2010, 08:11:22 am
Vapor is a great investment.

Lecap threw mine on and it's been awesome ever since. Plus having the time display is great for timing routes or seeing how late I'm running for work. :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on April 28, 2010, 08:27:59 am
Hello fellow DR650 riders!  As you might have noticed, I also got myself a DR650 last week.

Thanks for all the info on this tread, it helped me to make up my mind about which bike to buy.

Just my first impressions on the DR650, done only ±200km so far.  A big one night sleepover trip to Lephalale (Ellisras) was planned but it rained out!  >:(

I can only compare the DR650 with the XT660R I owned previously and I must say, I thoroughly enjoy the DR so far.  I don't know why its is, probably the less weight and suspension, but the DR tends to bring out the hooligan in me like the XT never did.  From day one I was way more confident to throw it around on the dirt and through turns on tar.  It seems it just wants to play unlike the XT that was a bit more restrained.  The DR begs you to open the throttle on dirt and in twisties.   So far I love it!  :thumleft:

I'm farkling with a screen at the moment and I'm on prototype 3 now. (what else can I do if its raining!)  I had some clear 1mm polycarbonate sheet left from a previous project and thought that I must get the perfect shape first and then perhaps I can get coloured and thicker (2mm) for the final screen.  I don't want to drill holes into the original part and I would like the screen to be at a more upright angle, the top extending 100mm higher than the mirrors but still in front of the mirrors.


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on April 28, 2010, 08:34:27 am
Welcome to the SSS Lourens. :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 28, 2010, 12:54:21 pm
Hello fellow DR650 riders!  As you might have noticed, I also got myself a DR650 last week.

Thanks for all the info on this tread, it helped me to make up my mind about which bike to buy.


Welcome boet!

Ja when I ride with another dr guy, I can't help but marvel at how small the bike is. Many riders say it feels the size of a 250. And its light weight is another winner. Simplicity is a big plus too!

I'm very keen to see how your screen works out! Post some pics when you're ready.


Ridestrong 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on April 28, 2010, 01:03:44 pm
Quote
Fark!


Hahaha ... yip, it's definitely showing kms on the trip meter - but when I compare that to my mtb route (and today to a gps measured route) - it is 1,6 times further than indicated on the clock. Go figure!!

I was mystified because the engine has always run great. With the stock needle, the dj155 and now the dj150. But I must say it runs best on the dj150 with the needle at third clip and the fuel mixture screw one turn out.

The nice thing with the vapor is it measures rpm and engine temp. And as Priest says, it has a clock too! (important for me) I might consider it. Can you pm me your price on the vapor, lecap??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on April 29, 2010, 11:52:03 am
Hey guys have any of you bought and fitted one of these GooseToob (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=48076.0) to your DR?
I'm just wondering how easy the fitment and placement is.

I know that the DR comes with it's own tool tube. But even though the seal looks good I find mine getting wet in the rain and it's rusting my tools.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blazes on April 29, 2010, 02:59:57 pm
Hello fellow DR650 riders!  As you might have noticed, I also got myself a DR650 last week.

Thanks for all the info on this tread, it helped me to make up my mind about which bike to buy.

Just my first impressions on the DR650, done only ±200km so far.  A big one night sleepover trip to Lephalale (Ellisras) was planned but it rained out!  >:(

I can only compare the DR650 with the XT660R I owned previously and I must say, I thoroughly enjoy the DR so far.  I don't know why its is, probably the less weight and suspension, but the DR tends to bring out the hooligan in me like the XT never did.  From day one I was way more confident to throw it around on the dirt and through turns on tar.  It seems it just wants to play unlike the XT that was a bit more restrained.  The DR begs you to open the throttle on dirt and in twisties.   So far I love it!  :thumleft:

I'm farkling with a screen at the moment and I'm on prototype 3 now. (what else can I do if its raining!)  I had some clear 1mm polycarbonate sheet left from a previous project and thought that I must get the perfect shape first and then perhaps I can get coloured and thicker (2mm) for the final screen.  I don't want to drill holes into the original part and I would like the screen to be at a more upright angle, the top extending 100mm higher than the mirrors but still in front of the mirrors.




The weight or let me rather say--the lack of weight is a big bonus L--------- :thumleft:

BTW --Your bash plate needs to be fitted that i made for you and i need to measure for your rear rack---call me so we can arrange early next week---- :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on May 03, 2010, 11:25:41 am
need to replace the bearing in the sprocket (about to collapse),  and going to do the rear wheel bearings same time.
anyone know the size of the bearings/'product code'???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on May 03, 2010, 11:49:11 am
suzuki bikes,  all madels.   link to parts fiche.

http://www.mrcycles.com/fiche_select1.asp?cat=Motorcycles&mfg=Suzuki
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 03, 2010, 02:31:24 pm
need to replace the bearing in the sprocket (about to collapse),  and going to do the rear wheel bearings same time.
anyone know the size of the bearings/'product code'???


Dont know the sizes...paid R 155-00 for all 3 bearings and the 2 oil/dust seals, at Bearing Man.

Will look for the invoice at home, for the product codes.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 03, 2010, 08:44:35 pm
Jenks, glad to see you sorted your bike's fuel consumpsion issues.  So the indicated speed was not also out?  It surely  would have felt a bit fast at 130. (miles)  :D  Now get the pumper carb it is the farkle your bike will like most.  Here is a nice one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

or this onehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 04, 2010, 07:17:19 am
Jenks, glad to see you sorted your bike's fuel consumpsion issues.  So the indicated speed was not also out?  It surely  would have felt a bit fast at 130. (miles)  :D  Now get the pumper carb it is the farkle your bike will like most.  Here is a nice one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

or this onehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f)

hahahaa ... hmmmm .... tempting! But a vapor is first on the list :)

Tell me Hagar - how difficult is the pumper mod and installation??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 04, 2010, 08:40:53 am
How different is the frame on a DR Dakar (1991) to a DR SE (2000-onwards)??? The DR Dakar came stock with a 23l tank and it looked pretty. I want a big tank. this 12l tank stuff is sucking... Will this work? and will suzuki still sell/make them???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 04, 2010, 10:47:30 am
To fit the DR650R tank (OEM or Acerbis 25l) onto the SE you have to make a modified mounting bracket and modify the seat.

The only advantage of the Acerbis is that it is a reasonably priced long range alternative to the overpriced, oversized & crappy Aqualine. Including all necessary mods the Acerbis will still be cheaper than the Aqualine.
Don't think the OEM DR650R tank is a worthwhile consideration unless you get a pristine one second hand. New OEM (if still available) will be around R6k and that's only the shell without the plastic stuff, filler cap, tap etc.

Go for IMS or Clarke. Reasonably priced, good quality and readily available as well as bolt on solution.
I can get them for you.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 04, 2010, 11:38:35 am
Got myself some handlebar raisers from Lecap.
My riding position is much better now.  Always felt like I was riding superbike style.
Ive raised them 25mm.  Might try 30mm to see if there is a difference or not.
But a great improvement

Thanx Lecap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 04, 2010, 12:56:22 pm
You forgot to mention that they look 1000 times better that the off the shelf bolt on top rubbish ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on May 04, 2010, 02:21:48 pm
someone on ADVRider helped me out....
in case someone else needs the numbers in the future,  here they are:

Front Wheel Bearing: 6003DDU; R49.00 EX VAT.
Rear Wheel Bearing: 6204DDU; R59.59 EX VAT
Rear Hub/Sprocket Bearing 6205DDU; R67.94 EX VAT

Prices from BearingMan (droste crescent,  droste park - M2 Highway Maritzburg Road off ramp) 011 620 1500
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: wiledog_X on May 04, 2010, 03:46:50 pm
hi guys! i recently bought Sidetrack's DR650 - what a sweet machine! now i need to add a windshield/screen to break the wind a bit, and also a bashplate for some bottom protection! can anyone recommend some products, and where to get hold of it in Gauteng?

thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 04, 2010, 03:55:59 pm
hi guys! i recently bought Sidetrack's DR650 - what a sweet machine! now i need to add a windshield/screen to break the wind a bit, and also a bashplate for some bottom protection! can anyone recommend some products, and where to get hold of it in Gauteng?

thanks!

Bash Plate:  Talk to LeCape.
Windshield: I would not put one on my bike.   
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 04, 2010, 06:17:42 pm
hi guys! i recently bought Sidetrack's DR650 - what a sweet machine! now i need to add a windshield/screen to break the wind a bit, and also a bashplate for some bottom protection! can anyone recommend some products, and where to get hold of it in Gauteng?

thanks!

For a bashplate you can also talk to blazes.

Here is a nice screen from Aussie.   ± R1200  PM me and I'll forward you the details.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 04, 2010, 06:20:17 pm
Check what I just bought......  http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=48970.0

Suzuki collection complete!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 04, 2010, 06:24:16 pm
@ wiledog: wait a while before you buy the screen. i bought one because I thought i'd need it, a few weeks later I was used to the wind and never put it on. I just sold it last month. I doubt you'll need it.

@ Deepbass: WELCOME!!! nice bike :) happy riding!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 04, 2010, 06:36:38 pm
Jenks, glad to see you sorted your bike's fuel consumpsion issues.  So the indicated speed was not also out?  It surely  would have felt a bit fast at 130. (miles)  :D  Now get the pumper carb it is the farkle your bike will like most.  Here is a nice one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/06-08-YFZ450-YFZ-450-CARB-CARBURETOR-8-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem19bbe76c79QQitemZ110526688377QQptZMotorsQ5fATVQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

or this onehttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YFZ450-YFZ-450-Carburetor-Carb-Engine-Motor-04-08-/120562148175?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c1210634f)

hahahaa ... hmmmm .... tempting! But a vapor is first on the list :)



jenks converting the carb is easy, making a proper adapter to the boot is more of a challenge depending on how you want to do it.  If you really want to go for easy, go for the Proline TM40, plug and play but expensive!  The nicest thing is the way the bike now pulls from low revs without lugging.  A lot easier to ride slowly on technical terrain without resorting to 14t sprocket.  Engine seems happier.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blazes on May 04, 2010, 07:59:12 pm
hi guys! i recently bought Sidetrack's DR650 - what a sweet machine! now i need to add a windshield/screen to break the wind a bit, and also a bashplate for some bottom protection! can anyone recommend some products, and where to get hold of it in Gauteng?

thanks!

I have a couple of bashplates for the DR in stock that i have just made--same as Kykdaar had on his bike--also made his monster rack for him--Bashplate R800

You can maybe try Jaco at RSD Screens in Pretoria- Good Quality screens and he will make anything you are looking for at a fraction of the cost of a new imported one Tel 012 5656730
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blazes on May 05, 2010, 02:45:04 pm
DR 650 Bash plates-- Pictures for the people who Pm'd me. R800 fitting --- free

Still need to remove the burrs on these.

(http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/3541/dsc02038y.jpg) (http://img440.imageshack.us/i/dsc02038y.jpg/)

(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8804/dsc02037e.jpg) (http://img101.imageshack.us/i/dsc02037e.jpg/)

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Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 05, 2010, 09:14:36 pm
Very nice blazes. What is the spec on those? Ally? gauge? Looks like they attach at the rear stock lugs? Good price!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: wiledog_X on May 06, 2010, 01:11:14 am
hi blazes. thanks for the feedback! i sent you a PM.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 06, 2010, 09:33:51 am
The Le Cap plate.

More than just a stone chip protector.

Ask Ganjora :D

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 06, 2010, 12:15:22 pm
Seems like we're entering the "Battle of the Bashplate Builders"!!!!!!!

Always compare apples with apples!!!


Who's is offering to build the Luggage Racks????


(Note : Its for my wife's DR)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 06, 2010, 12:32:59 pm
Seems like we're entering the "Battle of the Bashplate Builders"!!!!!!!

Always compare apples with apples!!!

...  and the price of the apples!  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 06, 2010, 01:10:12 pm
Do you guys know where I can get the tool to adjust the valves on the DR.
The one with that square hole in it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 06, 2010, 01:39:47 pm
The Le Cap plate.

More than just a stone chip protector.

Ask Ganjora :D



Ask me.  Saved me the cost of a new alternator housing (if not more).  It took most of the impact of a rock and left me with a little easyt o repair ding.  Could have fixed it with plastic steel but chose to have it aluminum welded. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 06, 2010, 04:11:44 pm

Who's is offering to build the Luggage Racks????


(Note : Its for my wife's DR)

Are you implying heavy duty for extra luggage? :imaposer:

Any luggage!!!!! There is no rack on the DR...only two grab handles at the back.

The racks made by fellow WDs are are normally heavy duty.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 06, 2010, 04:14:14 pm
Seems like we're entering the "Battle of the Bashplate Builders"!!!!!!!

Always compare apples with apples!!!

...  and the price of the apples!  ;D

Groot Waarheid!!!!

Myne (my vrou s'n!) is reeds in die pos...die Woolworths "appels" ene... :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 06, 2010, 05:49:49 pm
Do you guys know where I can get the tool to adjust the valves on the DR.
The one with that square hole in it.

Procycle has it. I'm doing another order, if you want to split the postage?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 07, 2010, 07:40:29 am
Cool, so you will pay for my shit and I just need to pay half the postage.  I'll send you my list Jenks   :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 07:54:46 am
I bought my valve thingie from Suzuki. Was a few years ago but it was dirt cheap. R80 or so. I'll look up the part no.

The rear suspension torque settings for the Chopperpilot; from the OEM Suzuki manual:
Swingarm pivot 77Nm
Upper shock mount:55Nm
Lower shock mount: 55Nm - DON'T!!! It will strip!!! Torque to 30Nm and use thread lock. I also have replacement bolts high ten 12.9 which come with a lock nut. They still work even if you stripped the thread in the shock and are easy to remove thanks to their allen head. Complete with lock nut all in lekker yellow cadmium plating for a hundred bucks.
Tie rod ("dogbone") bolts (2) 100Nm
Bolt attaching suspension lever to frame: 80Nm. You might have to improvise as most torque wrenches won't fit in there. Make it lekker tight, about the same as the swingarm pivot ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 07, 2010, 08:39:26 am
I bought my valve thingie from Suzuki. Was a few years ago but it was dirt cheap. R80 or so. I'll look up the part no.

The rear suspension torque settings for the Chopperpilot; from the OEM Suzuki manual:
Swingarm pivot 77Nm
Upper shock mount:55Nm
Lower shock mount: 55Nm - DON'T!!! It will strip!!! Torque to 30Nm and use thread lock. I also have replacement bolts high ten 12.9 which come with a lock nut. They still work even if you stripped the thread in the shock and are easy to remove thanks to their allen head. Complete with lock nut all in lekker yellow cadmium plating for a hundred bucks.
Tie rod ("dogbone") bolts (2) 100Nm
Bolt attaching suspension lever to frame: 80Nm. You might have to improvise as most torque wrenches won't fit in there. Make it lekker tight, about the same as the swingarm pivot ;D

Thanx Lecap for the info! :biggrin:

Regarding the valve "thingie"...Motorcycle Mecca in Pretoria say they cant help me with one...the use  some homebuilt thingie in their workshop...

If any WD is able to source the valve spanner...please let the others know!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 08:48:05 am
I'll find out today part no for the Suzuki valve tool and check if there is an aftermarket tool.

Problem of the Suzuki one afair it's not listed in the DR650 manual / parts catalogue but the LS650.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: wrench on May 07, 2010, 08:51:11 am
17-14910 :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 08:57:34 am
Thanks! How much do they charge for it now?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 07, 2010, 09:04:59 am
17-14910 :mwink:

Part number is  09917-14910

Tappet Adjustment Driver

Cost is R80.15

Has to be ordered from Japan.  They need cash  up front.  I'm going to get one.

 UPDATED:    :-[  "Cash" not "Cas"
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 07, 2010, 09:12:38 am

Who's is offering to build the Luggage Racks????


(Note : Its for my wife's DR)

Are you implying heavy duty for extra luggage? :imaposer:

Any luggage!!!!! There is no rack on the DR...only two grab handles at the back.

The racks made by fellow WDs are are normally heavy duty.
Adding a photo of a DR 650 (Misty's now...ex Kykdaar) with a luggage rack fitted. In general used with soft luggage (tail pack)...a topbox mount+topbox can however be bolted to the rack...for the daily bread and milk run.

To my knowledge Kykdaar built this rack. The templates should be with Blazes. Maybe he is willing to build a few racks for the DR 650 owners.

I prefer a smaller, and square (400 x 400mm) design. I have 2 different size topboxes, which I will alternate with soft luggage, depending on my requirement (bread & milk / adventure touring)



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 07, 2010, 09:14:16 am
+1  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 07, 2010, 09:16:42 am
Chopper Pilot, thats a good looking rack.

Blazes, where are you bud.  You keen on manufacturing some more racks..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 07, 2010, 09:18:36 am
17-14910 :mwink:

Part number is  09917-14910

Tappet Adjustment Driver

Cost is R80.15

Has to be ordered from Japan.  They need cas up front.  I'm going to get one.

Will order one from a dealer, slightly closer to home...thanx for the part number!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 09:29:53 am
I'll check for a generic available locally.

At least the OEM tools price is still very reasonable - unlike most other OEM tools ::)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 07, 2010, 09:30:19 am
Cool, so you will pay for my shit and I just need to pay half the postage.  I'll send you my list Jenks   :biggrin:

Hahaha - you're pushing it boet :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 07, 2010, 10:50:41 am
I think groenie is the guy who made that rack, and last I spoke with him he is still keen to make them; very nice and very reasonably priced.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 07, 2010, 10:54:48 am
I'll check for a generic available locally.

At least the OEM tools price is still very reasonable - unlike most other OEM tools ::)

Thanks.  Keep us posted.  Are there any other special to type tools (non standard tools) that we should thnk of getting at the same time?
Does your generic supplier have a Valve pullers / threader?

(http://www.advrider.co.za/images/air.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 10:59:15 am
Trevor at Northgate Island has the valve thingies.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on May 07, 2010, 11:25:06 am

Thanks.  Keep us posted.  Are there any other special to type tools (non standard tools) that we should thnk of getting at the same time?
Does your generic supplier have a Valve pullers / threader?

(http://www.advrider.co.za/images/air.jpg)


What about a bead tool?

(http://www.amxsa.com/shop/images/uploads/tusktyrebeadtool.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 07, 2010, 11:32:12 am

Adding a photo of a DR 650 (Misty's now...ex Kykdaar) with a luggage rack fitted. In general used with soft luggage (tail pack)...a topbox mount+topbox can however be bolted to the rack...for the daily bread and milk run.

To my knowledge Kykdaar built this rack. The templates should be with Blazes. Maybe he is willing to build a few racks for the DR 650 owners.

I prefer a smaller, and square (400 x 400mm) design. I have 2 different size topboxes, which I will alternate with soft luggage, depending on my requirement (bread & milk / adventure touring)


Yip, contact blazes.  He'll be building me one soon, think he's on holiday now.  I want mine wide enough to protect the indicators in case of a spill and that will also give me place to mount two GooseTubes.

More pics of same rack.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 07, 2010, 11:34:00 am
Trevor at Northgate Island has the valve thingies.

Thanks.  What is the buisness called or do you have a contact number.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 07, 2010, 11:34:39 am
Trevor at Northgate Island has the valve thingies.
"Northgate Island"?

Price?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 07, 2010, 11:36:35 am
How much do they cost Lourens..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on May 07, 2010, 11:39:41 am
How much do they cost Lourens..?


Don't know yet but knowing blazes it should be reasonable. I hope!  :peepwall:  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 07, 2010, 11:53:09 am

What about a bead tool?

(http://www.amxsa.com/shop/images/uploads/tusktyrebeadtool.jpg)


I hate to ask.  What is a bead tools and what is it used for?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 07, 2010, 11:59:05 am
Trevor at Northgate Island has the valve thingies.

Thanks.  What is the buisness called or do you have a contact number.

Adventure Motorcycle or so. It's between the Golf ProShop and Brian's Kayaks. If you take the onramp from Koeberg road opposite of Section Street onto the N1 towards Paarl and look on your left you'll see a litter of Honda Posties standing behind the fence :)

You then just have to keep as left as possible following the fence to get to the door.
Or ride through the fence if you have a T34 ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on May 07, 2010, 12:04:12 pm

What about a bead tool?

(http://www.amxsa.com/shop/images/uploads/tusktyrebeadtool.jpg)


I hate to ask.  What is a bead tools and what is it used for?

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and On:

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Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 07, 2010, 01:57:44 pm
Quote
Or ride through the fence if you have a T34 ;D

Personally, I'd prefer a Tiger with my homey, Michael Wittman, to keep an eye out for impolite taxi drivers  O0  
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 08, 2010, 01:30:26 pm
How do i remove the front axle? I took off the little size 10 nuts, but can't get the size 19 to turn...????

Also; I bought a little valve spanner from the guy across road from Craig's on Voortrekker- it's small and has a screw thread running perpendicular to the valve spanner. It doesn't fit between the spokes of my bike. Don't buy one. I'll be going to trevor this week for one of his.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 08, 2010, 02:14:57 pm


Also; I bought a little valve spanner from the guy across road from Craig's on Voortrekker- it's small and has a screw thread running perpendicular to the valve spanner. It doesn't fit between the spokes of my bike. Don't buy one. I'll be going to trevor this week for one of his.

I guess you are referring to the normal valve tool you can buy everywhere.  Nothing wrong with it.  If the crossbar does not fit between the spokes, it is easy to knock the "crossbar" out with a hammer.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 09, 2010, 01:09:44 pm
I guess you are referring to the normal valve tool you can buy everywhere.  Nothing wrong with it.  If the crossbar does not fit between the spokes, it is easy to knock the "crossbar" out with a hammer.

Thanks :) will knock the centre pin out today. Now, to get that front axle off...?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 09, 2010, 06:02:15 pm


Also; I bought a little valve spanner from the guy across road from Craig's on Voortrekker- it's small and has a screw thread running perpendicular to the valve spanner. It doesn't fit between the spokes of my bike. Don't buy one. I'll be going to trevor this week for one of his.

I guess you are referring to the normal valve tool you can buy everywhere.  Nothing wrong with it.  If the crossbar does not fit between the spokes, it is easy to knock the "crossbar" out with a hammer.

+100 make it fit :)


Thanks :) will knock the centre pin out today. Now, to get that front axle off...?


Put the cap of the axle clamp back on, also the 10mm hex nuts but do not tighten all the way. Then take a 19mm socket and a lekker breaker bar and turn counter clockwise. Aleays the same with them specialist mecchies thinking just because it's 19mm it needs 100Nm.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 09, 2010, 09:10:36 pm
Guys here's a plug question

Do your plugs also burn black?

Here's a pic of my outer plug on the 07 US imported bike:

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/100_0817.jpg)

and here's an out of focus pic of the plugs from my 08 bike (which I sold about a year ago):

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/crop20plug.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: MildDog on May 10, 2010, 09:23:29 am

valve spanner: +100 make it fit :)

Axle: Put the cap of the axle clamp back on, also the 10mm hex nuts but do not tighten all the way. Then take a 19mm socket and a lekker breaker bar and turn counter clockwise. Aleays the same with them specialist mecchies thinking just because it's 19mm it needs 100Nm.

If i can't fix it with a hammer or a crowbar, its not broken huh??? I was basically lifting the front wheel when I was trying to get the axle to turn, guess I'll try harder.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 10, 2010, 09:35:05 am
Turn the breaker bar around. It's more difficult to push the planed aside than to lift the front wheel of your bike :evil6:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 10, 2010, 09:52:54 am
Turn the breaker bar around. It's more difficult to push the planed aside than to lift the front wheel of your bike :evil6:

LOL!

One day you shoud write a book.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 10, 2010, 10:59:04 am
BTW the plug in the first pic looks fine as far as one can see in the picture. (clean face of centre electrode, first few threads Cd plating discoloured from heat)

To see the inportant part of the plug hacksaw the metal case just below the crush washer, cutting off the threaded part of the plug case.
If you pull the case off the insulator you will see a sooty, black ring around the base of the insulator tip. It should be no more than 2mm wide. More soot is too rich, no soot is too lean.
This is recognisable after fitting a new plug, warming up the engine and only a very short flat out run.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 10, 2010, 01:31:47 pm
BTW the plug in the first pic looks fine as far as one can see in the picture. (clean face of centre electrode, first few threads Cd plating discoloured from heat)

Thanks Lecap!

That makes sense. The machy at CIT in Bergbron here in Jozi said the same (ie: it looks normal). I was worried the bike was running too lean because my mileage is great (I clocked 3,5l/100km doing a 300km ride yesterday. Averaged around 80kph on tarred country roads).

Am I right in saying that, if anything, that plug indicates a slightly rich mixture??


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 10, 2010, 06:19:30 pm
My DR is on the way from Ladysmith tomorrow, hopefully I get it tomorrow evening or Weds morning! Can't wait. Just have to manage to kickstart the the thing and I'm away!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 11, 2010, 06:39:30 am
Niiiice.

What are the cannisters on the back, NITROUS ?????
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 11, 2010, 06:41:10 am
Ok, so I went to Suzuki Toystore to find out about the tappet adjustment tool.
R68.  Not too bad.  But they have to order, so about 3 weeks.

Is there anywhere else I can get this tool..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on May 11, 2010, 07:04:08 am
Nice bike...let us know when it's arrived :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 11, 2010, 07:04:52 am
Niiiice.

What are the cannisters on the back, NITROUS ?????

Rockets!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 11, 2010, 01:05:49 pm
Ok, so I went to Suzuki Toystore to find out about the tappet adjustment tool.
R68.  Not too bad.  But they have to order, so about 3 weeks.

Is there anywhere else I can get this tool..?

Yes please Manfred...will take 1.

Pm your bank details pse.

I will arrange to pick it up from you, once the tool has been delivered.

Thanx!!!! :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 11, 2010, 01:30:05 pm
Chopperpilot, I havent ordered yet.  Was hoping someone could tell me where I could buy it directly without having to wait.

If I dont come right, I will let you know.
Or I might be ordering it from Procycle in the US.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 11, 2010, 01:37:49 pm
Chopperpilot, I havent ordered yet.  Was hoping someone could tell me where I could buy it directly without having to wait.

If I dont come right, I will let you know.
Or I might be ordering it from Procycle in the US.



Thanx!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 11, 2010, 01:41:23 pm
Ok, so I went to Suzuki Toystore to find out about the tappet adjustment tool.
R68.  Not too bad.  But they have to order, so about 3 weeks.

Is there anywhere else I can get this tool..?

Good price :)

But is it really necessary??. I adjusted them adequately with just a pair of long nose pliers and a spanner.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 11, 2010, 01:56:09 pm
I havent a clue.  I thought the tool was necessary.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 11, 2010, 02:04:02 pm
I havent a clue.  I thought the tool was necessary.

Boet it just makes the process a lot easier. It holds the square topped adjuster in place while you tighten the lock nut. But you can do the same with a set of long nosed pliers. Much more PT though. It's a nice to have, but not essential.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 11, 2010, 02:26:30 pm
Doesnt it scrtrip with the long nose..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 11, 2010, 02:33:09 pm
Let me try make a tool this weekend. I'm thinking something like a bicycle spoke spanner, but longer and thinner and bent to reach into the valve housing and onto that head.

I owe you one anyways :)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on May 11, 2010, 03:21:09 pm
It has a knurled knob on a shaft with a square hole it.  Makes setting the clearance gap very easy and also easier to hold int in place so the gap does not change when you tighten the lock nut.
(http://www.oneidasuzuki.com/store/files/thumbnails/t_19935.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on May 11, 2010, 08:26:26 pm
Okay Ganjora, eventually got the 14T front sprocket (after battling with the local Post Office a bit) and fitted it a day or two ago. Immediately evident is that the angle of the chain is sharper towards the sprocket - maybe expect the rubber goody on the swingarm that the chain runs on to wear a bit quicker. In retrospect maybe a better way to go is to fit a larger rear sprocket.

Anyway it makes the bike much easier to ride without the jerking (with a standard exhaust) that one gets at low revs between the gears. Another big plus is that the constant changing from 5th to 4th and back again (both off and on road) is drastically reduced - one can drop all the way down to 70km/h in 5th and still accelerate away again. Obviously, immediately evident, is the higher revs at highway crusing speeds. If you are used to 120km/h only expect 110km/h. The bike seems happy at between 100 & 110km/h with the smaller sproket - if you can live with this. Personally I do not rush on the tar so it is not a problem with me. All in all I am chuffed and will be staying with the smaller sprocket. As of yet I have I have done any long off road riding but I think it will pay off big time here. Enough waffling - time for another beer!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 12, 2010, 08:04:54 am
Okay Ganjora, eventually got the 14T front sprocket (after battling with the local Post Office a bit) and fitted it a day or two ago. Immediately evident is that the angle of the chain is sharper towards the sprocket - maybe expect the rubber goody on the swingarm that the chain runs on to wear a bit quicker. In retrospect maybe a better way to go is to fit a larger rear sprocket.

Anyway it makes the bike much easier to ride without the jerking (with a standard exhaust) that one gets at low revs between the gears. Another big plus is that the constant changing from 5th to 4th and back again (both off and on road) is drastically reduced - one can drop all the way down to 70km/h in 5th and still accelerate away again. Obviously, immediately evident, is the higher revs at highway crusing speeds. If you are used to 120km/h only expect 110km/h. The bike seems happy at between 100 & 110km/h with the smaller sproket - if you can live with this. Personally I do not rush on the tar so it is not a problem with me. All in all I am chuffed and will be staying with the smaller sprocket. As of yet I have I have done any long off road riding but I think it will pay off big time here. Enough waffling - time for another beer!

Sounds good. I ride in the 70-90kph range, so that 14t  makes sense.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 12, 2010, 08:38:57 am
I ride in the 150- 180 range, I'll probably have to go for a 17t front    :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 12, 2010, 10:06:08 am
I ride in the 150- 180 range, I'll probably have to go for a 17t front  KTM  :imaposer:

Fixed  :laughing4:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 12, 2010, 10:10:25 am
Orange clashes with my sunglasses
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 12, 2010, 11:16:19 am
Orange clashes with my sunglasses

+1 Sacrilege I tell you, sacrilege. :eek7:
Title: procycle order!!!
Post by: jenks on May 12, 2010, 02:06:30 pm
Ganjora, Manfred and myself are ordering some stuff from procycle. Any other takers want to join a group order??

Please let me know (via pm) within the next 24 hours. I'm sure Jeff will offer a group discount.

Cheers :)

jenks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on May 12, 2010, 08:31:59 pm
With the last order from Procycle I was not sent a notification email with a tracking number. An email to Jeff (jeff@procycle.us) with a copy of the invoice soon sorted that out. After waiting for more than a month I did not receive a notification in my mailbox so I took the tracking number in to the post office. I was duly told that the US tracking number (has US on the end) was useless to them and that I must phone 0860111502 (enquiries) and get the equivalent SA tracking number (ZA on the end) and ask them where it was. This I duly did and then received my parcel. I asked them why a notification was not put in the post box and got the all too familiar shoulder shrug.

Thought I would just tell you guys all this just in case any of you have similar problems so you know what to do.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 12, 2010, 08:37:26 pm
Thanks boet. Duly noted. My last package arrived no problem. But I'll make sure I get the tracking number and keep tabs on the thing.

Title: Re: procycle order!!!
Post by: chopperpilot on May 13, 2010, 10:48:18 am
Ganjora, Manfred and myself are ordering some stuff from procycle. Any other takers want to join a group order??

Please let me know (via pm) within the next 24 hours. I'm sure Jeff will offer a group discount.

Cheers :)

jenks

Any suggestion ito need to have....and nice to have items?? :biggrin:
Title: Re: procycle order!!!
Post by: jenks on May 13, 2010, 11:58:45 am
Ganjora, Manfred and myself are ordering some stuff from procycle. Any other takers want to join a group order??

Please let me know (via pm) within the next 24 hours. I'm sure Jeff will offer a group discount.

Cheers :)

jenks

Any suggestion ito need to have....and nice to have items?? :biggrin:

How much time do you have :)

The dr is perfectly acceptable stock, I think.

Lots of okes, however will say these are need to haves:

1) More comfortable seat (sergant looks the best to me. and there's a weight saving!)
2) If you're a fat bastard, upgraded suspension

And here is a selection of the nice to haves:

1) Skid plate (go local for this. Lecap and blazes)
2) Case protectors (easily made yourself if you have the tools and materials)
3) Dynojet kit for tuning options and an improvement in economy and power (must be done correctly though)
4) TM40 pumper carb.
5)Rack (nice billet kit on procycle's site)
6) The list is endless ... :)

Pretty much up to you.

I'll place the order early tomorrow. So any more takers must pm me today with what they want.  Once the appropriate amounts for each individual order are in my account, I'll place the order.
Title: Re: procycle order!!!
Post by: chopperpilot on May 13, 2010, 01:13:10 pm
Ganjora, Manfred and myself are ordering some stuff from procycle. Any other takers want to join a group order??

Please let me know (via pm) within the next 24 hours. I'm sure Jeff will offer a group discount.

Cheers :)

jenks

Any suggestion ito need to have....and nice to have items?? :biggrin:

How much time do you have :)

The dr is perfectly acceptable stock, I think.

Lots of okes, however will say these are need to haves:

1) More comfortable seat (sergant looks the best to me. and there's a weight saving!)
2) If you're a fat bastard, upgraded suspension

And here is a selection of the nice to haves:

1) Skid plate (go local for this. Lecap and blazes)
2) Case protectors (easily made yourself if you have the tools and materials)
3) Dynojet kit for tuning options and an improvement in economy and power (must be done correctly though)
4) TM40 pumper carb.
5)Rack (nice billet kit on procycle's site)
6) The list is endless ... :)

Pretty much up to you.

I'll place the order early tomorrow. So any more takers must pm me today with what they want.  Once the appropriate amounts for each individual order are in my account, I'll place the order.

Thanx for the suggestions Jenks :biggrin:

Bought the DR second hand for my wife...I will...and have ridden it before...and considering buying one for my own use..

Therefore...with wife at about 50kgs...suspension should be fine...

Seat should also be OK for now...

Regarding performance goodies...stock is good enough for now...have ordered an Air Age slip on...bike came with some shitty homemade pipe...

The bashplate...on my essential list...recieved a Lecap made one on Monday...piece of art!!!

The rack is also on my list...looking at local options...following a few possibilities on the Forum...see that Blazes might be making one for Lourens...

I'll have a look on the Procycle's site...any idea af the billet rack price from them?? I might be too late for order with you...its fine...i'll most probably go for a local option!

Thanx
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 13, 2010, 01:18:59 pm
Check with blazes regarding the rack. I know he makes a very nice ally one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 13, 2010, 03:14:40 pm
Check with blazes regarding the rack. I know he makes a very nice ally one.

I'll PM him...is he back from leave yet?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 13, 2010, 03:26:31 pm
Check with blazes regarding the rack. I know he makes a very nice ally one.

I'll PM him...is he back from leave yet?

Not sure
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on May 13, 2010, 03:33:16 pm
Guys please post a few piccies of your DR's? What about your other ones Lecap?
Title: Re: procycle order!!!
Post by: sidetrack on May 13, 2010, 04:12:26 pm
Ganjora, Manfred and myself are ordering some stuff from procycle. Any other takers want to join a group order??

Please let me know (via pm) within the next 24 hours. I'm sure Jeff will offer a group discount.

Cheers :)

jenks

Any suggestion ito need to have....and nice to have items?? :biggrin:
Front suspension ! It's way to soft and nosedives like carzy. I would upgrade that along with a bashplate.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 13, 2010, 04:15:39 pm
here's my 07 US import. Note the ugly glob of a tail-light (US spec) behind the ugly glob of a rider (SA spec)   :P

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/Deadend.jpg)

another pic from my ride out to Greylingstad Sunday:

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/Postoffice.jpg)
(bike has home-made rack and tail tidy)



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 13, 2010, 04:36:54 pm
What "features" makes the DR a US spec?

Mine (my wife's!) has a a wire mesh thingie ("flame trap") between the airbox and rubber carb connecting pipe.

US spec?

I have removed it....is that ok?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 13, 2010, 04:43:49 pm
What "features" makes the DR a US spec?

Mine (my wife's!) has a a wire mesh thingie ("flame trap") between the airbox and rubber carb connecting pipe.

US spec?

I have removed it....is that ok?

US spec - tail light glob
                california bike has some kind of evaporator thingie inside the tank
                speedo (obviously!)
                lack of rev cut out switch on carb

That's all I can think of

Put the backfire screen back in! It has no effect on your bike's breathing (confirmed by multiple sources) ... and it'll stop crap getting into your carb and fire getting into your airbox.
 
You can grind the header weld, if you want some free efficiency gains and cut the top of the airbox to improve breathing. The latter is controversial and best done in tandem with rejetting and the dynojet needle.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 14, 2010, 07:49:30 am
Howzit Lorax, Ganjora and Manfred

I've mailed Jeff at procycle with our list of goodies. Awaiting his reply on discount request.

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 14, 2010, 08:04:03 am
What "features" makes the DR a US spec?
Mine (my wife's!) has a a wire mesh thingie ("flame trap") between the airbox and rubber carb connecting pipe.
US spec?
I have removed it....is that ok?
Put the backfire screen back in!
Yep! :violent5: 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 14, 2010, 08:44:21 am
That rev cut out switch, I took mine off and got 0.2 KW on the butt dyno.    ;D

But on a more serious note.

Ive adjusted the gear lever one notch down.
It now misses the engine case,
But what I have noticed is when cruising to a stop and forget to gear down, just before I stop, I start gearing down.
It then goes into an almost neutral, but I cant gear up or down. (edit - the lever moves up and down but does not engage)
Theres just free play.
I then let the clutch out and it engages.
Then I can gear down to first.


Manfred
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 14, 2010, 12:18:13 pm
What "features" makes the DR a US spec?

Mine (my wife's!) has a a wire mesh thingie ("flame trap") between the airbox and rubber carb connecting pipe.

US spec?

I have removed it....is that ok?

US spec - tail light glob
                california bike has some kind of evaporator thingie inside the tank
                speedo (obviously!)
                lack of rev cut out switch on carb

That's all I can think of

Put the backfire screen back in! It has no effect on your bike's breathing (confirmed by multiple sources) ... and it'll stop crap getting into your carb and fire getting into your airbox.
 
You can grind the header weld, if you want some free efficiency gains and cut the top of the airbox to improve breathing. The latter is controversial and best done in tandem with rejetting and the dynojet needle.


Removed the Flame Trap 'thingie 'cause the wire-gauze was damaged...will fix and replace.

Take note of the controversial airbox mod...its still standard

Will do the header pipe...

And maybe the Dynojet kit...to fine tune the works...at a later stage!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 14, 2010, 12:37:21 pm
If that wire gauze is damaged, dont you have to replace the airbox..?

When I oiled the air filter, the wire looked like it was moulded into the airbox.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 14, 2010, 12:52:50 pm
If that wire gauze is damaged, dont you have to replace the airbox..?

When I oiled the air filter, the wire looked like it was moulded into the airbox.

The wire-gauze has a thin sheet metal frame around it. Its not moulded in the airbox!

This frame is pressed as to "clamp" the gauze. I removed it, and might have damaged it in the process. The gauze pulled out of the frame on the one side.

Considered Pratleys...might reduce the flow area....started to open the frame with a thin flat screwdriver...and left it...too much work...and the gauze is damaged...

Replacement from Suz is about R 70...much less work!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 14, 2010, 12:54:38 pm
Cool.  Ive read about it, some of the americans take it out.
Others are worried about backfiring.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 14, 2010, 12:56:23 pm
Cool.  Ive read about it, some of the americans take it out.
Others are worried about backfiring.


I'll take the boffin's advice and replace it...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 14, 2010, 02:12:10 pm
Chopperpilot (are you really a chopper pilot??)

Just a word of advice.

When you do the header grind, make sure you leave a lip of metal inside the pipe.

Most guys find the weld attaching the pipe to the flange is really pronounced and intrudes into the exhaust flow. You want to grind most of the weld "hill" away - but leave enough to retain the structural integrity of the weld that keeps the flange in place. Too much grinding and you may be left with a loose flange!! :o

Also make sure you extract all the iron filings and grind residue from the pipe when you've finished. Net in geval :)

Here's a pic of the weld from mx_rob's website:
http://www.mxrob.com/photogallery/FCR-MX%20Install/Head%20Pipe%20Weld.jpg


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 14, 2010, 02:19:24 pm
Well at least the stuff coming out the back will be cleaner   ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 16, 2010, 10:02:05 am
Chopperpilot (are you really a chopper pilot??)

Just a word of advice.

When you do the header grind, make sure you leave a lip of metal inside the pipe.

Most guys find the weld attaching the pipe to the flange is really pronounced and intrudes into the exhaust flow. You want to grind most of the weld "hill" away - but leave enough to retain the structural integrity of the weld that keeps the flange in place. Too much grinding and you may be left with a loose flange!! :o

Also make sure you extract all the iron filings and grind residue from the pipe when you've finished. Net in geval :)

Here's a pic of the weld from mx_rob's website:
http://www.mxrob.com/photogallery/FCR-MX%20Install/Head%20Pipe%20Weld.jpg




Jenks

Thanx for the advice on the grinding of the header weld...I'll take care...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 16, 2010, 04:10:22 pm
According to Jeff at Procycle grinding away the header weld does not show an improvement on the dyno. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 16, 2010, 05:37:07 pm
According to Jeff at Procycle grinding away the header weld does not show an improvement on the dyno. 

Really?? Ok then better leave it be. Jeff has done dynos on all those mods, so far as I know, so best take what he says seriously.

He did mention recently on advrider that opening the airbox is the best no cost mod for the dr, but is also best done with the dynojet mod.

BTW - I pulled my magnetic drain plug recently and found filings on it. Stuff you'd never see in the oil. Most of the guys on adv also find flilings on their magnetic drain plugs. Just wear and tear, I suppose
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on May 16, 2010, 08:14:53 pm
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/thread/494393/header-pipe-weld/20 (http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/thread/494393/header-pipe-weld/20) is the thread I am referring to.  I have ground mine.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 07:46:24 am
Thanks for the link, Hagar. Haven't visited Thumpertalk for a while. Nice new look!

I still think it's worth grinding that weld down. It's gotta be a bit of a heat trap too?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 07:50:14 am
If it makes you feel better, weld (edit - grind) it down.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 17, 2010, 07:52:30 am
Be careful with grinding welds - not just in this case but in general. Tends to cause structural problems.

How about stiffer fork springs? Is anyone still looking for some?

BTW the manifolds (rarely) crack regardless of grinding the weld or not. Easy to get fixed.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 07:59:56 am
Be careful with grinding welds - not just in this case but in general. Tends to cause structural problems.

How about stiffer fork springs? Is anyone still looking for some?
Fair point on weld grinding lecap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 08:18:18 am
Thumper Talk has a few posts on exhausts breaking at the weld after the guys tucked into the grinding and were too adventurous.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 08:35:13 am
Thumper Talk has a few posts on exhausts breaking at the weld after the guys tucked into the grinding and were too adventurous.

Yup. Hence my advice on leaving enough of the weld still on. It's a huge glob on most drs. If there's no performance gain to be had, I'm thinking it is probably a better idea to just let it be.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 08:40:06 am
Guys ...

Some advice needed on the IMS tank. I'm starting to think I'd like one. Are there any issues with the petcock and general fitment??

Thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 08:44:06 am
What did you use to grind it down Jenks..?

Some guys say they feel a difference.  Others say there is less braking when coasting down a hill.
Each have their own version of what it does.

Me personally, it doesnt bug me now.
But I think if I ever take the header off and see it.  I will neaten it up.  Makes me feel better about life in general

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 17, 2010, 08:48:58 am
The Clarke and IMS fit like gloves (unlike the Aqualine).

The IMS comes with a new petcock although you can also use the OEM one after very slight enlargement of the hole for the fuel feed. The Clarke uses the OEM petcock.

The Clarke IMHO looks better but it's only 16l (av. 320km 'til dry) whilst the IMS is 19l giing you a fuel range of about 380km 'til dry.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 09:09:28 am
Was browsing the Procycle website and found this about the IMS tanks:

Black tanks are out of stock. We expect more around mid May
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 01:31:45 pm
hey Manfred

I used a simple stone drill bit thingie to grind the weld down. Lots of okes use a dremel. I left a nice strong sleeve still there.

+BIKER philosophy on+  I hear what you're saying about just making one feel better (tinkering). I think bikes are the modern equivalent of the faithful old horse/mule of yore. Just as the gnarly traveller would baby his horse, we baby our bikes - confirming our adventurousness and our maleness. +BIKER philosophy off+ :)

Mmmm that IMS tank is tempting. Thanks for the reply lecap. I read something a while ago about the petcock not working or leaking fuel or something. You guys have not had any issues with the IMS petcock, have you??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 01:54:23 pm
I think it was the IMS petcock that was kark.

You can use the OEM one. 
I think the hole needs to be made bigger in the tank and you need to file some of the fins/blades away.
Check out Ganjora's DR650 post.
He has a nice pic of the fins filed away
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 17, 2010, 02:08:09 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32071.msg888684#msg888684

Post 164
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 05:02:04 pm
Thanks Manfred :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on May 17, 2010, 06:10:17 pm
hey Manfred

I used a simple stone drill bit thingie to grind the weld down. Lots of okes use a dremel. I left a nice strong sleeve still there.

+BIKER philosophy on+  I hear what you're saying about just making one feel better (tinkering). I think bikes are the modern equivalent of the faithful old horse/mule of yore. Just as the gnarly traveller would baby his horse, we baby our bikes - confirming our adventurousness and our maleness. +BIKER philosophy off+ :)

Mmmm that IMS tank is tempting. Thanks for the reply lecap. I read something a while ago about the petcock not working or leaking fuel or something. You guys have not had any issues with the IMS petcock, have you??

Hi Jenks. I used the supplied petcock with my IMS tank and after almost 2 years have not had any problems. I read on some or other forum that it is a good idea to put a different O ring on it. The guy mentioned a Yamaha part number for the O ring and I got it no problem. In fact I bought 3 for some reason and still have two spare - if you want one you are welcome or I can post the part number. At the same time I also bought some yellow tubing (looks good) and fitted a fuel filter and a breather pipe with a spare fuel filter on the end. In retrospect I do not how I actually put up with range of the original tank.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 17, 2010, 07:18:42 pm
Interesting Rob. I like the look of the stock tank. But I'm seeing the need for the IMS. Eish decisions!

I'll probably follow lecap and Manfred's advice and enlarge the hole so the stock petcock will fit. I'm not too keen on filing the fins to make it fit tho'  :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on May 18, 2010, 06:20:36 am
unfortunately even with the IMS tank,  you'll still need to carry a jerry behind you.   the IMS' 19l is good for about 350km...
opening up the hole for the stock petcock is very simple,  the oem o-ring should work again.
the IMS petcock has no fitting for the vacuum pipe.   the tap must be turned to the off position.   there have been cases of the tank draining through the cylinder  into the crank case when people have left the bike for long periods without turning off.
trimming the fins was nerve racking thing at the time,  but zero issues.   well documented on ADV and TT.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 18, 2010, 07:03:41 am
Thanks for the advice okes.

BTW - Jeff's goodies will be en-route soon! I'll mail you all the details when Jeff mails me.

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 18, 2010, 10:12:38 am
...the IMS petcock has no fitting for the vacuum pipe.   the tap must be turned to the off position.   there have been cases of the tank draining through the cylinder  into the crank case when people have left the bike for long periods without turning off...

Don't forget to plug the terminal for the vacuum pipe in the intake manifold!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 06:16:04 pm
Hey Guys does a DR650 have a park light??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on May 18, 2010, 06:26:51 pm
Hey Guys does a DR650 have a park light??

No. Refuse to ask why you are asking this!  :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 06:28:58 pm
The US models might have one...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 06:35:10 pm
Falcon is parked on the other side of town and someone called up to say her light is on.
Key is out steering locked.

It is a US model because the clock is in miles and it has a big square tail light.
Used to sound kak too till she stuck on a bosson pipe.  >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 06:38:43 pm
Check in the headlight, Im guessing there are 2 bulbs there. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 06:40:57 pm
Got this from ADVRider:

2nd .... It is TOO EASY during daylight ... to turn it to steering lock .. without going too far and turning the damn stupid "parking light" on
... its daylight .... you don't notice the taillight is on ... you walk away ... and 4 hours later you've killed the friggin batt
... I think I did that 3 times last year

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=2266
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 06:52:00 pm
Yup seems according to Google the all knowing.
If you turn the steering to the right and turn the key all the way to lock the steering the brake light comes on as a "park light"

Can someone test this for me?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 06:58:47 pm
Jenks might be able to, he has a US model.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 18, 2010, 07:08:39 pm
Yup the US models have the park light. Also a few extra kilowatts of power in the motor.  >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 07:10:57 pm
And a dog ugly taillight   :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 07:11:43 pm
Yup the US models have the park light. Also a few extra kilowatts of power in the motor.  >:D
Thanks a stack - it does hoof it, especially as the jockey only weighs about 57kgs


OK assuming it is the Park Light.
Do you think the battery'll hold out for say 2 hours?
Or do I start organising a resue?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 07:15:36 pm
Not sure Mr P.  Advrider guy says he was away for 4 hours and it died..
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 07:16:28 pm
Isnt Falcon anywhere near the bike..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 07:20:31 pm
Isnt Falcon anywhere near the bike..?

She's in a market research group - can't leave and phone off.
Can the design be that bad?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 07:26:38 pm
LOL, the design is about 20 odd years old
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 07:43:41 pm
Apparently you snip the brown wire to disable it.

20years  :eek7: well let's hope they did things properly back then.
Could be an interesting evening.
I can't even walk let alone drive
She's in town about 30kms away.
Ah well we'll know for sure in about 16mins  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 07:47:24 pm
Scheit, not good.  you still in a cast..?

Well at least the guys with the US models will have a rough idea how long the battery lasts on the parking light.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 08:10:56 pm
Yeah hoping to be an outcast in a week and a bit
New bike could arrive on the weekend and all I'll be able to do is polish it.

No frantic calls or sms's yet ...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 08:13:48 pm
Well speedy recovery to you.

The xt was a write off wasnt it..?
What you getting now..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 08:26:33 pm
Well speedy recovery to you.

The xt was a write off wasn't it..?
What you getting now..?

Thanks mate.
Yip the XT was officially KIA  :crybaby2:
So i replaced it with this..  :smileinbox:
(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/Mr-Python/MyNewXT.jpg)
Trying not to get psyched because I still have to find the R5k deposit

Breaking news
It's official, you can at least get 2 and a half hours of park light
Fired 1st time apparently  :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 18, 2010, 08:56:10 pm
Edit: She managed to slip out and switch off after 45mins
Thanks Griffin for offering to rescue - goodman
She's home safe and in good sprits  >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 18, 2010, 08:57:19 pm
Good stuff, as long as she is safe.  Good night all
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on May 19, 2010, 08:21:55 am
Yup the US models have the park light. Also a few extra kilowatts of power in the motor.  >:D
Thanks a stack - it does hoof it, especially as the jockey only weighs about 57kgs


OK assuming it is the Park Light.
Do you think the battery'll hold out for say 2 hours?
Or do I start organising a resue?


Don't know about 2hrs, but at 7hrs your dead in the water.

I spent way to long trying to get the bike running one day after work. :S
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on May 19, 2010, 08:58:20 am
Got this from ADVRider:

2nd .... It is TOO EASY during daylight ... to turn it to steering lock .. without going too far and turning the damn stupid "parking light" on
... its daylight .... you don't notice the taillight is on ... you walk away ... and 4 hours later you've killed the friggin batt
... I think I did that 3 times last year

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=2266

So removing the kickstart was an upgrade?  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on May 20, 2010, 07:16:11 am
Thanks for all the behind the scene support I knew nothing about  :biggrin:
I note a pic of a XT on DR thread......tut tut  ;)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 20, 2010, 08:37:22 am
Spank him Falcon, Spank him Gooooood

Naughty Mr P, No XT Pics on the DR thread please

 :drif:

Still a good looking steed though   :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on May 20, 2010, 10:47:59 am
Spank him Falcon, Spank him Gooooood

Naughty Mr P, No XT Pics on the DR thread please

 :drif:

Still a good looking steed though   :peepwall:


Yeah yeah bring on the spanking  >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on May 20, 2010, 08:37:08 pm

Spank him Falcon, Spank him Gooooood

Naughty Mr P, No XT Pics on the DR thread please
 
Yeah yeah bring on the spanking  >:D

Ha ha guys... that's very funny  :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 25, 2010, 07:31:34 am
Was in toy store this weekend...new white DR on the floor at R55k...should be forced to refund anyone who paid more any time in the past year  >:(

On a less depressing note....Anyone know where I can source a decent exhaust in or around Centurion/Pretoria?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 25, 2010, 07:55:52 am
Penta exhausts in Elardus Park, Centurion.

Not sure if he is still around, its been a while.

His name is Anton, contact number is 083 816 1269

When I still had my KLR, a lot of guys were buying Penta exhausts.

Or try find yourself a GSXR can   >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on May 25, 2010, 08:04:58 am
Was in toy store this weekend...new white DR on the floor at R55k...should be forced to refund anyone who paid more any time in the past year  >:(

On a less depressing note....Anyone know where I can source a decent exhaust in or around Centurion/Pretoria?

Air Age?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 25, 2010, 08:37:58 am
There is stealth exhausts.  In Montana, Zambesi afrit
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 25, 2010, 08:47:59 am
There is stealth exhausts.  In Montana, Zambesi afrit

Do you perhaps have the website or can you PM me an address?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 25, 2010, 08:51:14 am
Just got numbers from a buddy of mine

Stealth exhaust     0825530447 / 0125486051 / 0823084049
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 25, 2010, 09:51:53 am
Just got numbers from a buddy of mine

Stealth exhaust     0825530447 / 0125486051 / 0823084049

Thanks bud, will go see them later today if I can get away from my desk.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on May 25, 2010, 10:04:59 am

BTW - I pulled my magnetic drain plug recently and found filings on it. Stuff you'd never see in the oil. Most of the guys on adv also find flilings on their magnetic drain plugs. Just wear and tear, I suppose


The first time you pull the plug, it looks bad. Essentially you are getting out all the residue from the break in period. You will notice that subsequent oil changes looks better, and proves to you how much metalic gunk stays in your engine even after a complete oil change (filters, straining screens etc.)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on May 25, 2010, 01:43:03 pm
Yup, beserker. I now pull that plug regularly - usually when I'm bored and have the tinkering urge :) I do a quick swap with the original plug and clean off the filings from the magnetic plug. Then replace it. I've yet to pull the oil filter magnet to check how that is working.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 25, 2010, 07:12:01 pm
Thanks for the input guys....new "can" already fitted  ;D

Stopped in at Stealth (just off Zambizi) on the way to an appointment at about 11:30 this morning (in the cage), thought I would just get an idea of price and availability.

Great help by Jaco, aided by them having a DR on the floor that they could use as a model, saw me ordering an exhaust to be made up, promise that they would try to have it ready for me tomorrow so that I can fit before leaving for the Bash Friday morning. Thought the chances were slim but better that than nothing.

He called me at 3pm to say it is ready for collection  :thumleft: great service.

Collected on the way home and fitted to the bike this evening...sounds gooooooooooooood!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 26, 2010, 07:26:32 am
Cool man.

What was the damage..?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 26, 2010, 10:03:12 am
Cool man.

What was the damage..?


R 1950
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 26, 2010, 10:05:21 am
Cool.  Which one did you get, I hear they make a black one, cant remember the name.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on May 26, 2010, 10:08:54 am
Oval polished Alu can with stainless pipe. - "Stealth Dirt"
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 26, 2010, 10:11:11 am
Ah yes, thats the one.

So what happened to the pics dude..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 27, 2010, 08:45:57 am
Greetings all

Can anyone tell me what headlight bulb a DR650 uses.

H4 or H7..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 27, 2010, 11:55:58 am
H4 man! What's next? LED flickers and HID ??? What do you think? The story of the 1996 design of the DR650Se being 15 years ahead of its time was a joke ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 27, 2010, 12:25:59 pm
LOL, probably would cost more to insure the HID setup than the bike.

I want to get a brighter light bulb.

I did it on the 400 and it helped quite a bit.  

Nothing major, just could see a little further than the OEM one.

Any suggestions on what one to buy.

I think I used a Silverstar on the 400
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on May 27, 2010, 04:29:40 pm
My sidestand is slowly eating my swingarm away...Now someone posted this before,and I went and tightened the bolt.(found it a bit loose)
That looked like it...

Yesterday I cleaned the bike a bit,and saw a small gash starting in the swing arm,and I do not want my swingarm to look like the other guy's DR that posted this same problem...
I just tightened the bolt agen,so am keeping an eye on this.

Anyone else have this problem?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: sidetrack on May 27, 2010, 08:23:41 pm
My sidestand is slowly eating my swingarm away...Now someone posted this before,and I went and tightened the bolt.(found it a bit loose)
That looked like it...

Yesterday I cleaned the bike a bit,and saw a small gash starting in the swing arm,and I do not want my swingarm to look like the other guy's DR that posted this same problem...
I just tightened the bolt agen,so am keeping an eye on this.

Anyone else have this problem?
Bend the sidestand, other option is some rubber contraption on thge swingarm. My previous DR also had some wear on the swinger.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 28, 2010, 10:34:29 am
Howzat all.

New member here. Thanks Jenx for the introduction.
Can anyone help me with jetting suggestions, places to buy jets etc. I am in centurion.
I started fiddiling with airboxes and needle heights a while back but I am somewhat pissed that my top end has gone to absolute shyte!!!
I have reverted back to stock and my low down power is ok but I can't seem to get the 170km/h I used to be able to get when she was new. Gearing is stock , 140 main jet , needle clip 2nd from top fully snorkeled and standard pipe (unground)
I'm looking for a good comprimise between good low don and top end.
2008 DR650 farkled except for power mods.

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 28, 2010, 10:38:51 am
Welcome Dylandr.

I bought my dynojet kit from Loxtons Suzuki.
Corner Boundry Road and Malibongwe Drive, Kyasands

Cost me R600.  Saves you having to import it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 28, 2010, 10:42:56 am
What jet sizes and settings did you settle on?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 28, 2010, 10:46:23 am
LOL, I havent, been a lazy arsed MoFo.

But the general settings with the Dynojet I think, were DJ needle, 3rd clip.  150 Main.

I think Jenks also has this.

From there it is trial and error for a setup that works for you.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 28, 2010, 10:47:03 am
Or just go for the pumper carb
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 28, 2010, 10:51:14 am
Howz manfred

kin ell... been sukkeling with this for a while. Just want a bit more top end. The bike is great down low, chugs up dirt like a back actor. I just might go and get it dyno tuned too.... while I'm at it!
When ya gonna do your DJ inplant?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 28, 2010, 10:57:14 am
What topend you getting now..?
140 and I start feeling sorry for the bike.

At 170, the bike cant feel too stable can it..?

Ive done the jetting on a DRZ 400 SM a while back, so it shouldnt take me too long.
I think cutting the airbox would take longer.

But its more of getting off my arse and doing it.
Im thinking this weekend might just be the time.
Can start on Saturday, take my time, finish on Sunday.

Can also disconnect that throttle switch and see if it makes a difference

Ive ordered the extended fuel screw, but thats going to take a while to get here.

So ja, hopefully this weekend
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 28, 2010, 11:13:49 am
loxton suzuki says...maybe in a months time they will have.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 28, 2010, 11:17:15 am
Bummer.  I know they have sold quite a few DR650's.  I was lucky, I asked about it and they had.
So I bought it to gather dust in one of my boxes.
At least vrou, even if she sees it, wont have a clue what its for.

She just doesnt get the idea of farkling
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on May 31, 2010, 07:39:13 am
Fellow Doctors

Im looking for the link to the drawings of the bike with the part numbers. Need to find a gasket number. (Between barrel and sump/crank case. DOnt know the correct terms!

Thanks
J
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 31, 2010, 07:53:17 am
http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Module/Main/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki

Choose your model
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 31, 2010, 07:54:49 am
Choose 2007, 2008 doesnt have the DR650.
All the same from 96 I think.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on May 31, 2010, 08:18:44 am
http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Module/Main/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki

Choose your model

Thanks Manfred!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 31, 2010, 08:41:05 am
Pleasure
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on May 31, 2010, 09:43:02 am
GASKET, CYLINDER
11241-04F20

Make sure it's exactly this one (layered sheetmetal) and not the old fibre compound gasket!

You will also need:
GASKET, CYLINDER HEAD
11141-32E00
GASKET, EXHAUST PIPE
14181-22D01
and
CONNECTOR, MUFFLER
14771-32E00 (fit with plenty of copper slip, makes it reusable). You won't have to replace this one if you're lucky & careful on disassembly or if you have some aftermarket can that seals directly on the OD of the header pipe.


GASKET, TENSIONER ADJUSTER
12837-24A10
(This one you can easily cut with a scalpel from 0.5mm gasket paper)

Get either Thre Bond 1104 sealant for the head split (OEM) or even better Würth Engine Silicone. Don't use Bostick Engine Silicone or Dirko unless you don't have an alternative. Never ever use Hylomar!


BTW BZ your bash plate is still waiting ???

For further part number reference: www.ronniesmailorder.com/fiche_select.asp (http://www.ronniesmailorder.com/fiche_select.asp)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 31, 2010, 12:44:23 pm
Bummer.  I know they have sold quite a few DR650's.  I was lucky, I asked about it and they had.
So I bought it to gather dust in one of my boxes.
At least vrou, even if she sees it, wont have a clue what its for.

She just doesnt get the idea of farkling

Howzat

Aaah. had a look and a good think about my situation. Then I thought... Hey, KTM uses the same carbie in thier 640 adventure. So off I went to KTM centurion and got 2 size up jets 142.5 and 145 jets and shoved in the 145.
The speed I got matched the jet size.... flat out and then killed the engine, pulled the plug and found it was burning WHITE!
Is that then too rich on air? Should I go get a 150 main?
Also discovered the cush drive bearing was FUBAR... replaced it with a sealed bearing from FAG... 30min job...

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 31, 2010, 12:56:34 pm
If I remember correctly, the 140 is equivalent to the 150 from DJ kit.
Im sure the guys will correct me if Im wrong.

Have you opened up the airbox..?
Cant put in a larger main and not open the airbox.
Jenks had a DJ 155 in and went down to a DJ 150.

Not sure on the plug colours, read it isnt very accurate seeing as the petrol nowadays burns a lot cleaner.

The cush drive, I thought it was just rubber pieces that needed replacing.
Let me get this right, the cush drive is the part on the left of the wheel, attacjed to the sprocket..?


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 31, 2010, 02:17:01 pm
yep.... thats the one.
Inside the cush drive hub there is a spacer, a seal and a bearing. The bearing is moertoe!
I am finding it moer difficult to get hold of a DJ kit, so if a standard mikuni is equal to 150 DJ jet, what mikuni jet should be fine?
I closed the airbox off again and re-installed the snorkel, so it is standard... 2 turns out on the idle screw and the needle on the 4th position from top.... this jetting is really starting to make me nafi!
What settings are you running at present?

Cheers Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on May 31, 2010, 02:24:28 pm
Check on Thumpertalk, under the DR forum.  Someone there did a comparison with the mikuni, ktm and DJ parts.

Mine is still standard.
Didnt get round to installing the DJ kit.
Got my second puncture for the week.
Tried to fix it, but couldnt break the bead.
Will take it to AdventureMX this afternoon

I havent touched anything on the carb as I will do everything when it is out.
If everything is standard, you usually remove the snorkel.
Add a washer to raise the needle.  I dont even know if we have the clip or not.  Do we ?????
Then go through the process of setting your idling and the fuel screw is about 1.5 turns out.
Did you get the mail I sent you..?




Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 31, 2010, 02:38:35 pm
Yeah , sorry man. I did get your mail. Thank you kindly.
I just can't understand why when it was standard, the bike would perform so well on top end and after i reverted back to stock, it won't for a moer go that speed again.
I am taking it that the bike is gettin too much air and not enough fuel as it burns white. if I go to a 150 or a 160 that should even it out... right?
We do have needle clip positions on the needle here. At least mine does.... 2008
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on May 31, 2010, 03:12:46 pm
Manfred

I keep replying to you but there is nothing on my sent items. dylanmurrish@gmail.com.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 01, 2010, 07:42:52 am
Howz Manfred

Hit it on the head last night. Dropped into KTM and got a 150 ; 152.5 ; 160 mikuni main jets. Went with the 150 main. Left the snorkel in but drilled a bunch of holes in the top of the airbox. Built a small spacer so that the needle seats straight and put it onto the 3rd clip. I turned out 1 1/4 turns and whacked that baby together. Clock speed on the vapor 140km/h and the bottom end is quite awesome. Wheelies are easy now and the tar suffers when I open up (so do my tyres I guess :-\)
Anyway, thanks for puttin up with my questions! :thumleft:
We should meet some time to show off the farkle.

Cheers
Dyl

PS. I am going to do another kind of rally screen build sometime, be interested in what you think. Here's a link to my last DR650 rally fairing build:  http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=544570
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 01, 2010, 08:22:53 am
How long have you had your DR for dude..?

Thats some serious fabricating you have been doing there.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 01, 2010, 08:36:09 am
yeah... I try.

If it wasn't for wild donkey's I'd show you in person. I want to build a new one soon, a bit different. I have plenty ideas and I also have quite a bit of CAD experience. If you have any ideas give me a shout.
I'm dying to start on a new fairing!
Oh, I've had the bike since the beginning of 2008. She's got character!! :laughing4:

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 01, 2010, 08:40:55 am
And it took you this long to find the WD forum.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 01, 2010, 08:53:48 am
Scheit Dylan, I now see what you mean by donkey killer.
That was like what, 2 or 3 months ago..?

Have you healed now..?

Im surprised vrou didnt ban you from bikes.

Mine has tried a few times.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 01, 2010, 09:47:29 am
 :imaposer: She tried, but no luck! I do not part with bikes! Never! You guys in our SA must shout for shite on the DR, seeing as though I have one and measurements are easy to obtain and I have CAD to assist.

How many DR riders are there on this Forum? I have always posted on ADVrider. Happy I stumbled onto this Forum!

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 01, 2010, 02:34:41 pm
ello evry1

My buddy Dylan made me register on this forum :pot: -> dankie mater...
Lekker to hear there are so many DR owners around. Helps to be able to have mates pointing you in the right direction.  :laughing4:

Till l8r

Sharky
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 01, 2010, 02:46:14 pm
Welcome SharkyZA

Always better when something has been tried and tested before you start the same thing.
Plenty of knowledgable guys here.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 01, 2010, 07:01:54 pm
Fellow Doctors

Im looking for the link to the drawings of the bike with the part numbers. Need to find a gasket number. (Between barrel and sump/crank case. DOnt know the correct terms!

Thanks
J

just noticed my base gasket is also weeping.
thanks for the part no.s there lecap.
ordering parts tomorrow,  doing the job this weekend.
photo's to follow
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 01, 2010, 07:03:38 pm
My sidestand is slowly eating my swingarm away...Now someone posted this before,and I went and tightened the bolt.(found it a bit loose)
That looked like it...

Yesterday I cleaned the bike a bit,and saw a small gash starting in the swing arm,and I do not want my swingarm to look like the other guy's DR that posted this same problem...
I just tightened the bolt agen,so am keeping an eye on this.

Anyone else have this problem?

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1252.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 01, 2010, 08:56:18 pm
after some more reading on the base gasket issue,  it seems as though it might be the cam chain tensioner gasket...

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/thread/704542/cam-chain-tensioner-gasket-leak

don't overfill your oil...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 02, 2010, 09:03:11 am
Resetting the timing chain tensioner:

Please be careful!
Please do NOT "lock" the fully retracted timing chain tensioner by turning the little screw inside until the mechanism jams!!!
This jams the torsion spring inside the tensioner. I believe it streses the spring beyond its capabilities and may lead to failure of the spring and tensioner :o

To lock the tensioner proceed as follows:
Use a 0.70mm feeler gauge blade to make a tool. Don't worry about replacing it you will never need it unless you go into servicing Caterpillars ;D

Cut the feeler gauge blade to make some sort of a screwdriver blade that slots into the timing chain tensioner from the back and fits into the grooves of the housing.
Now retract the tensioner and hold it compresed with one hand while you insert the self made locking tool with the other. Make sure the tool locks into the little retractor bolt head. You usually have to give it a try or three until it works.
Now fit the gasket (soaked in engine oil, no silicone or other barrier compound) and tensioner and tighten the bolts. Remove your locking tool.
It's easy enough to cut the gasket from 0.5mm oil resistant joint seal ("gasket paper") if you have less than ten thumbs and the Suzuki dealer is too far or out of stock. A 7mm hole punch, hammer and a scalpel is all you need. A square metre or so sheet of joint seal costs about fifty bucks ;D

Note: The timing chain tensioner can be removed & replaced without opening the cylinder head. Make sure to turn the engine to start of combustion cycle TDC (where you would normally adjust the valves) and do NOT turn the crankcaseshaft whilst the tensioner is removed!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 02, 2010, 09:42:42 am
Howzat

Can someone please give me the number as it stands on the GSXR 1000 can? I'm trying to source one for my DR.
Or even a pic?

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 02, 2010, 09:44:39 am
XF0x40X
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 02, 2010, 09:50:32 am
Sorry, other way round    (X40F0X)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 02, 2010, 09:53:06 am
And the pic
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 02, 2010, 09:56:07 am
Thanks mate! Gonna find out if perry's has one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on June 02, 2010, 04:55:46 pm
Howsit DR-Dylan! :thumleft:
Lekker om te sien jy op die forum nou...Ek wou 'n tyd terug 'n "rally type screen" gedoen het,amper soos wat jy gedoen het,het klomp research gedoen,en dai thread op adv gesien,toe wonder ek waar in SA is jy.
Anyway,ek't nooit by my screen uit gekom nie,het toe 1 gaan koop,maar sal dit nog wil doen in die toekoms.My DR is ook nog ver van klaar. :pot:
  
Ganjoria:Thanx for the pic,Will do something similar to that... :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 02, 2010, 06:11:40 pm
Howzat

Can someone please give me the number as it stands on the GSXR 1000 can? I'm trying to source one for my DR.
Or even a pic?



X40f1X is identical, minus the compliance writing on the outside.  Easier to find in SA.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 02, 2010, 08:05:40 pm
Has anyone bothered to tighten the neutral switch light indicator behind the clutch yet? A while ago I bought the gasket to do this but 14000km later have still not got around to it. Seems as if it is a hit and miss affair - some people never do it and never have problems. Would just hate to be caught out somewhere remote.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 02, 2010, 08:30:23 pm
Isnt it quite a mission to either remove the neutral light indicator or put in longer screws and loctite them..?

Is there quite a lot to be removed to get to it..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 02, 2010, 08:50:05 pm
Isnt it quite a mission to either remove the neutral light indicator or put in longer screws and loctite them..?

Is there quite a lot to be removed to get to it..?


From what I remember Manfred removing the clutch cover is not very difficult or time consuming. Some people remove the clutch basket and others don't - they work behind it. Some remove the switch all together. Anyway, next oil change, I have decided just to do it for peace of mind. Most one's that do come loose seem to happen before 20 000km - and I am getting close! One of the reasons I put in a magnetic drain plug.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 02, 2010, 08:58:48 pm
So with the aid of a service manual, one should be able to do this..?
What gasket are you talking about Rob_A

Doesnt the DR have the magnetic drain plug as standard.

I know the DRZ had one
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 03, 2010, 05:19:04 am
Has anyone bothered to tighten the neutral switch light indicator behind the clutch yet? A while ago I bought the gasket to do this but 14000km later have still not got around to it. Seems as if it is a hit and miss affair - some people never do it and never have problems. Would just hate to be caught out somewhere remote.

TECH DAY!!!

was speaking to Jenks about this.
time to set a day...
the procycle order'll be here in the next 2 - 3 weeks,  how about that day???
we can fetch our new stuff,  maybe even fit some of it,  and also do the NSU switch.
the side cover must come off,  but Jenks has a tool so the clutch doesn't have to come out too...


GASKET, TENSIONER ADJUSTER
12837-24A10
(This one you can easily cut with a scalpel from 0.5mm gasket paper)

Get either Thre Bond 1104 sealant for the head split (OEM) or even better Würth Engine Silicone. Don't use Bostick Engine Silicone or Dirko unless you don't have an alternative. Never ever use Hylomar!

Resetting the timing chain tensioner:
......
Now fit the gasket (soaked in engine oil, no silicone or other barrier compound) and tensioner and tighten the bolts.

I bought some Wurth engine silicone,  use it or not???

incidentally the gasket is R20 from Suzuki.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 03, 2010, 07:45:28 am
That sounds like a plan. We can do it all at my spot or anyone else's pozzie. Maybe bring some meat, beer and make a deal of it :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 03, 2010, 07:45:55 am
Howz Manfred

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=2391
Check out what lucas replied to my post.

Howzat Martin Dr650.
Dit is jammer da ek daai donkie so hard gestamp het, die fairing is moertoe! Het dit nog steeds by die huis maar as ek weer daai oefening sal doen sal ek dit eerder aan n WR of DRZ doen. Ek val te veel op die DR om dit die mooite wert te maak.

Laat weet my as ek kan help wanneer jy joune gaan bou. Ek gaan een van die lekker koue dae begin om een wat oppie shocks monteer te ontwerp. Sal dit op n thread hier op Wilddogs pos!

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 03, 2010, 08:38:21 am
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/IMG_4738.jpg)

Man I miss this thing!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Casting from Turd on June 03, 2010, 08:41:34 am
Hi Camel
Where did you get that fairing?  Really cool
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 03, 2010, 08:43:23 am
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=544570

Home built.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 08:53:21 am
Jenks, sounds like a plan.

Roughly when do you think the farkles will arrive..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 03, 2010, 09:20:42 am
I'll be in for this too. Bier en vleis klink goed! When and where?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 03, 2010, 10:10:59 am
Jenks, sounds like a plan.

Roughly when do you think the farkles will arrive..?

2 - 3 weeks time...
got a TM40 on it's way...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 10:46:48 am
I know.......you beeeatch !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 03, 2010, 11:14:06 am
sexy thing...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 03, 2010, 11:17:57 am
Boys did I get a surprise today!! The goodies are here :) Oh yeah. Pop round any time to pick up your stuff. I'm working afternoons this weekend.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 03, 2010, 11:27:37 am
Has anyone bothered to tighten the neutral switch light indicator behind the clutch yet? A while ago I bought the gasket to do this but 14000km later have still not got around to it. Seems as if it is a hit and miss affair - some people never do it and never have problems. Would just hate to be caught out somewhere remote.

Tell me more pls, helping a friend to get his DR going.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 03, 2010, 11:50:21 am
WHOOO HOOOO!!!!!

taking the arvie off,  and fitting a new carb!!!

pics to follow...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 11:51:53 am
What's the difference between the TM40 and stock?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 03, 2010, 12:01:05 pm
similar to the differrence between night and day,  except a more stark contrast...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 03, 2010, 12:16:04 pm
Hahaha

Ganjora may be embellishing a tad  :imaposer:

The TM40 doesn't add power, but improves responsiveness all through the rev range - but most notably down low. It makes offroading much more pleasurable and negates any need for gearing changes.

I opted for the dynojet kit and 14t sprocket. It's cheaper, but probably not as effective as the TM40. Also the 14t has been shown to quite significantly impact on fuel economy. I'll spend my day off today installing the rear light, the 14t and spacer and the trailtech vapor digital speedo kit. Oh and the choke pull. Yup, I'm having fun :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on June 03, 2010, 12:29:33 pm
Something non-technical! (Semi Hi-jack! ;D)

Why did so few of the DR 650 WD's attend the Limpopo Bash???

Are we more into farkling, than riding???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 12:30:50 pm
Correction Jenks, it adds power to the Butt dyno.

Deepbass9, with the pumper carb, you get very little single cylinder thumping.
Like when you are in 5th and doing 20.
Its like having primitive fuel infection.  It sprays the fuel into the intake
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 12:35:50 pm
Hmmmmm, no comment  Chopperpilot  ;D

I think its more of getting the bike some protection for offroad.
Its costs quite a bit, so therefore taking a while.

Or the fact that the in laws were visiting since thursday.
When I mentioned it (my fault for such short notice), I was almost a dad all over again.   :o

But all is sorted.  Bashplate on the way, wife cool for next bash   ;)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 03, 2010, 12:43:00 pm
similar to the differrence between night and day,  except a more stark contrast...

can you pick it up in third? ;)joke... thinking of a DR but undecided ..please can I come and check out a pimped one ..not to ride just to see see it in the flesh

edit
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 12:45:57 pm
I think so.  Just gotto make sure that the pulley is working    :imaposer:

I cant even wheelie, so I think Im actually the wrong person to answer this   ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 01:10:46 pm
I have stopped trying to squeeze more power out of 650 thumpers, (don't anyone mention 685 kits). But I am going to farkle my Dakar a leetle bit. I have progressive fork springs on order with Lecap. The either the springs or the fork oil have expired, so I'll do them both as well at the fork seals. Definitely a 14T front when I replace the chain and sprockets quite soon.

I am having a problem with the clutch creeping forward when pulled in. The previous owner replaced all the clutch plates, but does anyone have any idea why that might be happening? I have adjusted the cable as much as possible without curing the problem as yet. I think Suzuki might make some money out of me on this one...... 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 01:16:24 pm
DB9, did you do the 685 on the KLR..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 01:19:36 pm
Yes.  Don't make me go there. Its a bad place.  >:(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 01:22:34 pm
I remember reading about it a while back.
I was the guy with the black 07 KLR that tried to keep up with you when we had the breakfast at your place.
Groenie and Ganjora had the "flu" that morning.
So bad that Mina Moo had to drive them.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on June 03, 2010, 01:25:32 pm
Hmmmmm, no comment  Chopperpilot  ;D

I think its more of getting the bike some protection for offroad.
Its costs quite a bit, so therefore taking a while.

Or the fact that the in laws were visiting since thursday.
When I mentioned it (my fault for such short notice), I was almost a dad all over again.   :o

But all is sorted.  Bashplate on the way, wife cool for next bash   ;)

Cool...looking forward to meeting you guys! :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 01:27:24 pm
I remember reading about it a while back.
I was the guy with the black 07 KLR that tried to keep up with you when we had the breakfast at your place.
Groenie and Ganjora had the "flu" that morning.
So bad that Mina Moo had to drive them.

OK, that was quite some time ago when I was a mere noob! The KLR became too much of a PITA, so it had to go. much happier now!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 01:28:39 pm
Still wanna bring the wife and child round for a weekend.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 03, 2010, 01:29:27 pm
Pistonslap, in what area do you stay..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 01:37:27 pm
Still wanna bring the wife and child round for a weekend.

Cool, do that.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 03, 2010, 01:54:00 pm

can you pick it up in third? ;)


Hey, I picked one up this weekend, about 20 times, .....of the ground (when the sandmonster bit my buddy ...HARD..lol)

Pistonslap, not a bad bike (actually quite good, especially for long distance, proper off road touring), but riding the two back to back, you are going to cry.

Check it out:

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_05_31_00003_11.gif)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 02:36:14 pm
Another farkle I need to do is either put on higher bars, or raisers for the existing bars. Which is the better way to go?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 03, 2010, 02:52:09 pm
We added 45 mm to the one in the pic above, from Le Cap, which retained the original rubber mounts...made a huge diff.

Although short, Gareth felt it was still a bit low, especially since we fitted the Acerbis tank.

We tried the CR High bend bar, an he reckons perfect. The sweep of the bars is also more comfortable than the stock ones.

BTW sorting out the ergonomics I don't consider farkle, once the bike is set up for you, you will probably not want to sell it ..ever! Makes a huge difference, especially if you plan to spend more than 2 hours in the saddle at a time, like longer trips.

Try one at a time, raisers are cheap compared to bars, maybe them first.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 02:57:20 pm
We added 45 mm to the one in the pic above, from Le Cap, which retained the original rubber mounts...made a huge diff.

Although short, Gareth felt it was still a bit low, especially since we fitted the Acerbis tank.

We tried the CR High bend bar, an he reckons perfect. The sweep of the bars is also more comfortable than the stock ones.

BTW sorting out the ergonomics I don't consider farkle, once the bike is set up for you, you will probably not want to sell it ..ever! Makes a huge difference, especially if you plan to spend more than 2 hours in the saddle at a time, like longer trips.

Try one at a time, raisers are cheap compared to bars, maybe them first.

You are right about the ergonomics. My bars are very low, I'm not sure if they were lower than standard? The footpegs seem quite high to me as well. Anyway, I'll see what I do.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 03, 2010, 03:39:51 pm
Pistonslap, in what area do you stay..?


Manfred I stay in Bordaeux Randburg but Im happy to travel let me know if its cool I have an option on a clean 08 at the mo
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 03, 2010, 03:46:14 pm

can you pick it up in third? ;)


Hey, I picked one up this weekend, about 20 times, .....of the ground (when the sandmonster bit my buddy ...HARD..lol)

Pistonslap, not a bad bike (actually quite good, especially for long distance, proper off road touring), but riding the two back to back, you are going to cry.

Check it out:

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_05_31_00003_11.gif)

Thanks for the feedback Beserker, Im looking for a low maintenance deal for off road touring and Ill get  KTM 200 / and or footups bike for my spills cant justify two 650 dualies doesnt make sense. Love my xr though it really makes me smile >:D

I have an option on a clean one at a good price so uhming at the mo want to ride it tommo.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on June 03, 2010, 03:54:04 pm
Something non-technical! (Semi Hi-jack! ;D)

Why did so few of the DR 650 WD's attend the Limpopo Bash???

Are we more into farkling, than riding???

Sounds like it  ;D...so where were you guys?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 03:56:10 pm
I couldn't do it, am in the DRC this week. (Wouldn't have got it past Mrs db9)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on June 03, 2010, 04:08:53 pm
Pic of the noise maker...very loud!

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/Limpopo%20bash/P1050201.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on June 03, 2010, 04:11:07 pm
I couldn't do it, am in the DRC this week. (Wouldn't have got it past Mrs db9)

Can appreciate that, same reason I could not be at your place last week, had already negotiated a pass for the bash  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on June 03, 2010, 04:48:01 pm
Pic of the noise maker...very loud!

(http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/ahoseck/Limpopo%20bash/P1050201.jpg)

Sounds perfect to me!!! :biggrin:

If Air Age dont come to light...have been waiting 3 weeks...via the local agent...I'll order the same for Stofboxi's DR ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 03, 2010, 06:01:45 pm
So with the aid of a service manual, one should be able to do this..?
What gasket are you talking about Rob_A

Doesnt the DR have the magnetic drain plug as standard.

I know the DRZ had one

As I am sure that you have gathered the gasket is for the large side cover. On my bike the drain plug wasn't magnetic - ordered one from Procycle. Was a bit disappointed with the quality of it though - the nut was was a weired non metric size and not a symmetrical hexagon. Really craply made.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 03, 2010, 06:44:03 pm
And how to change the NSU screws without draining the oil.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=1003
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 03, 2010, 07:13:02 pm
similar to the differrence between night and day,  except a more stark contrast...

So what happened? Night followed day in the usual manner!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 03, 2010, 09:12:23 pm
And how to change the NSU screws without draining the oil.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=1003

Thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 04, 2010, 05:34:57 am
similar to the differrence between night and day,  except a more stark contrast...

So what happened? Night followed day in the usual manner!

BIG difference.
i think this is how all 650's are meant to feel/pull.
no more shifting down a gear to pass,  gently ease on the throttle - power is everywhere.
low speed chugging along is a pleasure - no more feathering the clutch.
front comes up in 2nd.
opened up the airbox at the same time.
bike is quieter when chugging,  and much ruder on the throttle.
can actually hear the carb working - a tic tic type noise.

some pics for comparison

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1281.jpg)

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1285-1.jpg)

making it fit nicely...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1289.jpg)

the beast's new heart

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1291.jpg)

very 'plug and play' to fit.
kit contains everything.
only done 5km on it,  but in love already.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 04, 2010, 06:24:02 am
Thats it  Ganjora, it makes the bike so much lekkerder!  Most important for me is the ability to go slow and accelerate without lugging. (Ive got the FCR-MX carb)  Let us know about you consumption as soon as you start riding sensibly again. :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 04, 2010, 07:25:05 am
Br-A-A-A-A-P!!!....Aireeeh!!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 04, 2010, 07:34:21 am
Ganjora, you're making me wanna place another order!! Eish.

Just a question. Where should one install the vapor temperature sensor. I remember Lecap saying it sould be somewhere on the oil cooler.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 04, 2010, 08:01:37 am
Another farkle I need to do is either put on higher bars, or raisers for the existing bars. Which is the better way to go?

Best to get higher bars and adjustable Le Cap risers ;D Or just Le Cap risers.
Adjustable risers are lekker as you don't need to change them if you replace bars with different ones just put in or remove a shim or two. Also takes the guesswork out of the bar raising issue and replaces it with try and error fiddle work :biggrin:

I can send them with your fork springs (arrived yesterday).

You just have to disassemble your handlebar clamps and take some measurements as I am not 100% sure if the DR650R / RS / RSE has the same handlebar clamps as the DR650SE.

This is how it should look:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 04, 2010, 08:09:46 am
The temperature sensor is most easily and most reasonably fitted into the cylinder head oil feed (above the timing chain tensioner rear right side of head). Just take the big banjo bolt out, replace one copper washer with the temperature sensor thing and reattach.

Measures pretty much your oil temperature.

The option of replacing a spark plug washer with the temperature sensor is c**p IMHO. Very unprofessional. very dodgy too as the copper ring will compress and harden and after two or three spark plug services not seal 100% any more.

Also: Hook the RPM sensor directly to the LT terminals of the coil. Resistance of the signal pickup port is somewhere in the range of 100's of KΩ making sure the piggy back RPM sensor does not mess with CDI unit or coil.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 04, 2010, 08:18:09 am
Thanks LeCap!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 04, 2010, 08:24:26 am
Another farkle I need to do is either put on higher bars, or raisers for the existing bars. Which is the better way to go?

Best to get higher bars and adjustable Le Cap risers ;D Or just Le Cap risers.
Adjustable risers are lekker as you don't need to change them if you replace bars with different ones just put in or remove a shim or two. Also takes the guesswork out of the bar raising issue and replaces it with try and error fiddle work :biggrin:

I can send them with your fork springs (arrived yesterday).

You just have to disassemble your handlebar clamps and take some measurements as I am not 100% sure if the DR650R / RS / RSE has the same handlebar clamps as the DR650SE.

This is how it should look:


OK, I'm not at home until tomorrow,  I'll send you a pic of what they look like then. What do I need to measure?

Here's the pic from the service manual, not sure if you can see anything there though.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 04, 2010, 08:46:05 am
Just checked part numbers.
Handlebar holder and the bolt attaching the holder to the handlebars are identical on all DR650's R , RS, RSE and SE

Means Le Cap risers fit onto the whole DR650 zoo :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 04, 2010, 08:54:44 am
So what's the cost?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 04, 2010, 09:51:55 am
R450 for rise 5mm to 35mm in increments of 5mm.
Available off the shelf.
10mm extra (5mm to 45mm) possible with OEM cables and wiring is R530. Only makes sense for VERY tall guys in combination with VERY low bars.
Available off the shelf.

I can make them a metre tall if you've got problems with smelly armpits or as tall as the Empire State building, special order, R600, give your basic height, from there you can go up in increments of 5mm to +35mm (for example basic height 40mm, adjustable from 40mm to 75mm in increments of 5mm).
R600, two to three weeks.

As usual only the best material and finish: High tensile steel, cadmium plated, high grade aluminium anodised.
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=36224.0
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 04, 2010, 10:28:59 am
Cool, I'll take some, send them up with the fork springs (35mm rise that is).  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 04, 2010, 10:33:48 am
Ganjora, pure bike porn buddy.

Hope you have many happy km's with it
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on June 04, 2010, 01:20:13 pm
Howz Manfred

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=2391
Check out what lucas replied to my post.

Howzat Martin Dr650.
Dit is jammer da ek daai donkie so hard gestamp het, die fairing is moertoe! Het dit nog steeds by die huis maar as ek weer daai oefening sal doen sal ek dit eerder aan n WR of DRZ doen. Ek val te veel op die DR om dit die mooite wert te maak.

Laat weet my as ek kan help wanneer jy joune gaan bou. Ek gaan een van die lekker koue dae begin om een wat oppie shocks monteer te ontwerp. Sal dit op n thread hier op Wilddogs pos!

Cheers
Dyl
Sweet! Ek wil so iets doen uit fiberglass...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 04, 2010, 01:32:52 pm

Sweet! Ek wil so iets doen uit fiberglass...


Do you have that mold Martin?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on June 04, 2010, 01:37:37 pm

Sweet! Ek wil so iets doen uit fiberglass...


Do you have that mold Martin?

Nope...Just what I want to do still on the bike in the future.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 05, 2010, 11:40:28 am
BTW I'll make risers to go with fat bar clamps too. Just have to do my homework about the best geometry & height to make sure it fits nicely and for all short or tall.
Price will probably be around R 900 for the risers adjustable from 5 to 35mm in increments of 5mm complete with new 28.6mm clamps.

Let me know if anyone is interested? Else I'll just make one set for myself :cool:  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 07, 2010, 07:17:22 am
Howz Manfred

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135295&page=2391
Check out what lucas replied to my post.

Howzat Martin Dr650.
Dit is jammer da ek daai donkie so hard gestamp het, die fairing is moertoe! Het dit nog steeds by die huis maar as ek weer daai oefening sal doen sal ek dit eerder aan n WR of DRZ doen. Ek val te veel op die DR om dit die mooite wert te maak.

Laat weet my as ek kan help wanneer jy joune gaan bou. Ek gaan een van die lekker koue dae begin om een wat oppie shocks monteer te ontwerp. Sal dit op n thread hier op Wilddogs pos!


Here is a taste of things to come...
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/IMG_0006-1.jpg)
Played around with cardboard a bit this weekend.
I want to draw it up on cad and then see what the screen thats gonna fit this thing is gonna look like.

Cheers Dyl


Cheers
Dyl
Sweet! Ek wil so iets doen uit fiberglass...

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 07, 2010, 07:33:05 pm
Had a test ride and squiz at one its fairly clean but whats with the cracks.. is this normal? wtf it almost feels like theres oil weeping out...could be my imagination though? looks like it was wiped with a rag if you look on the gasket groove

 tuning and motor sounds fine

What do the xperts recon,  le cap should i forget it what do you think you seem to know them well

what would this be worth? 14kkm and 07

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/dr6502.jpg)

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/dr6501.jpg)

its a little lazy but it wheelies just fine :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 07, 2010, 07:47:04 pm
looked like he also had too much oil in it when upright the sight window was full ?  , I dont like the look of it though looks like it could be farked ?

What do you okes recon?

anyone?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 07, 2010, 08:39:23 pm
Elo every1

Thought I'd pop a pic or two of my idea for a cheap-ish fairing for the front of the DR - along the lines of Dylan's ideas, just out of aluminium - lasercut and bent.
Ok, ok, its not pretty yet, hows about some creative helping? Please edit and suggest some nice changes!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 07, 2010, 08:42:39 pm
here's mine
same marks

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1268.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 08, 2010, 06:19:27 am
That is marks from the casting not cracks. It is harmless ut not pretty.  Much like a wart on your girlfriend.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 06:47:10 am
That is marks from the casting not cracks. It is harmless ut not pretty.  Much like a wart on your girlfriend.

how dyou know about her warts :patch:  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 08, 2010, 07:13:12 am
Howzit okes

Motorcycle Consumer News has a very nice write-up on dr mods:


http://www.procycle.us/info/articles/dr650/mcn-june-2010.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 07:16:12 am
Yep.... casting marks. The manufacturer uses a method called "investment casting". A mold is "grown" from a type of sand and afterwords injected with molten magnesium or whatever they might use on other blocks. Quite an interesting process!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investment_casting

That bike is fine mate. As long as she don't smoke or leak anything.

Cheers
Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 07:27:07 am
Elo every1

Thought I'd pop a pic or two of my idea for a cheap-ish fairing for the front of the DR - along the lines of Dylan's ideas, just out of aluminium - lasercut and bent.
Ok, ok, its not pretty yet, hows about some creative helping? Please edit and suggest some nice changes!


SharkyZA

I is still a bit worried bout decapitation! That thing is gonna chop something off. Maybe if you used it as a plug for a good FIBERGLASS mold with a lip on the top I'd not be so hesitant.
Remember the other day when we went riding, you knocked your helmet on the bars when we rode over those sand heaps?

Looks good though... gonna use round about the same design for mine.
Cheers burrie! We'll speak soon!

Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 08, 2010, 07:29:37 am
Consider new pistonslap. I've seen drs for 55K now. 2wheels mag June edition.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 08, 2010, 07:47:19 am
That is marks from the casting not cracks. It is harmless ut not pretty.

Correct.

Make sure there's no oil leak. That alternator cover gasket looks a bit strange. On the newer (2004ff) DR's it's usually the timing chain tensioner gasket, a relatively minor job to fix. The oil on the alternator cover split might originate from there.

I'd say R33 600 (70% of new R48000) assuming chain & sprockets, brake pads and tires are ok and the bike is roadworthy and without damages beyond normal wear and tear. If you can get it for this price it's a bargain. As a private buyer I would offer up to R38 400 for an absolutely spotless (tires & brakes well over 50% and not much wear on chain) bike. A dealer will probably give it a good wash and ask 44000 (price based on current retail of R 55000) or even more :o
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 08, 2010, 09:23:05 am
Pistonslap...for what it is worth..

Helped my mate Gareth acquire his first DS bike (after schoolboy 50)
8000 immaculate km's on the clock, bought it home and tore it down..

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_05_01_00001_1.jpg)

Completely.

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_05_09_00003_1.jpg)

Looks good...

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_05_09_00002_1.jpg)

We serviced the shock, did all the linkages and headset, changed aircleaner,  all liquids and associated filters.

Added handlebar raisers, hand guards, front and rear knobs, bashplate, slim number plate assembly.

The exhaust was ceramic coated and a long range tank fitted:

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_06_05_00005_1.jpg)

Ready to roll for a shade less than R31k

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_06_05_00004_1.jpg)

Happy chappy...

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_06_05_00006_1.jpg)



Took it out for it's inaugural ride this past weekend, check out

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=51068.0



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 09:39:38 am
Beserker, 31k all in that sounds like a good price")

thanks all for the info,  le cap how much for the front spring upgrade the oil leak is from the timming bolt at the rear of the motor
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 10:38:52 am
Howsit - can anyone confirm or deny: Went to a brake relining place today and they won't reline my DR's brake pads - apparentaly its against the law.  :patch:

Regards
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 10:40:47 am
Elo every1

Thought I'd pop a pic or two of my idea for a cheap-ish fairing for the front of the DR - along the lines of Dylan's ideas, just out of aluminium - lasercut and bent.
Ok, ok, its not pretty yet, hows about some creative helping? Please edit and suggest some nice changes!


SharkyZA

I is still a bit worried bout decapitation! That thing is gonna chop something off. Maybe if you used it as a plug for a good FIBERGLASS mold with a lip on the top I'd not be so hesitant.
Remember the other day when we went riding, you knocked your helmet on the bars when we rode over those sand heaps?

Looks good though... gonna use round about the same design for mine.
Cheers burrie! We'll speak soon!

Dyl

Hey boet, I agree vir the headchopper, but maybe we can still use it - maybe angled more forward?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 08, 2010, 10:43:34 am
Isnt it cheaper to just buy a new pair..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 08, 2010, 10:45:30 am
Speaking of brakes, what do you guys use.

The DRZ used the OEM stuff or Carbon Lorrain (spelling?)

Does the DR have any special needs..?  I doubt it, thought I would just ask anyway
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 10:52:30 am
Hi Manfred
Re-lining would probably be a fraction of the price - it is on my bakkie's rear drum brakes.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 10:53:36 am
On the special requirements:
Honestly, I have no idea - all I keep reading is 'sintered' - will have to google it...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 08, 2010, 10:54:01 am
Maybe they do it for cars, never heard it being done for bikes
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 08, 2010, 10:54:53 am
Isnt sintered heavy on the disks.  There was a post about sintered not so long ago.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 11:09:17 am
Those disk pads are daylight robbery. My boet got his re-lined for R20 a set= R40 for front and rear!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 08, 2010, 11:12:28 am
Scheit, thats cheap.
Where did he get that done, My Corsa needs new ones...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 11:17:14 am
Those disk pads are daylight robbery. My boet got his re-lined for R20 a set= R40 for front and rear!!
Ja boet, Afrika for you eh... I can't wait for that guy to quote me on my ally 'koffertjie' ;-) Dylan, maybe we can get a better price if we buy 2!  >:D  You'd love the extra space, won't you  :drif:

 ;)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 08, 2010, 11:32:19 am
Beserker, 31k all in that sounds like a good price")

thanks all for the info,  le cap how much for the front spring upgrade the oil leak is from the timming bolt at the rear of the motor

The springs are R1500. Please make up your mind as I want to order a shipment next week. They are highly recommended if you want to play rough and are a must if you're over 100kg or run a long range tank like the 25l Acerbis or even worse the Aqualine Safari barrel. For lighter riders they are still an advantage as they stabilise the bike in sand.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32471.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32471.0)

The timing chain tensioner gasket leak is a nice opportunity to knock a Grand off the price :evil6: You can DIY on a rainy Saturday parts needed no more than R200.

Howsit - can anyone confirm or deny: Went to a brake relining place today and they won't reline my DR's brake pads - apparentaly its against the law.  :patch:

Regards

Against the law of common sense?
I would not get relined pads no matter if it's for bike or bakkie.
I only ever remember drum shoes for our army trucks being relined as the lining was riveted anyway.

Isnt sintered heavy on the disks.  There was a post about sintered not so long ago.

Organic compound is often the better choice for a "normal" bike (as in no racing).
Road use sinter lasts longer but is more expensive levelling the lifetime vs. price advantage. Sinter is harsher on discs than organic compound.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 11:36:54 am

Howsit - can anyone confirm or deny: Went to a brake relining place today and they won't reline my DR's brake pads - apparentaly its against the law.  :patch:

Regards

Against the law of common sense?
I would not get relined pads no matter if it's for bike or bakkie.
I only ever remember drum shoes for our army trucks being relined as the lining was riveted anyway.

 :lamer:

Cool, thanks for the opinion...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 08, 2010, 11:39:26 am
The timing chain tensioner gasket leak is a nice opportunity to knock a Grand off the price :evil6: You can DIY on a rainy Saturday parts needed no more than R200.

costs R20 for the gasket
takes 20 mins to do.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 08, 2010, 11:57:04 am
The timing chain tensioner gasket leak is a nice opportunity to knock a Grand off the price :evil6: You can DIY on a rainy Saturday parts needed no more than R200.

costs R20 for the gasket
takes 20 mins to do.

Did you work around the header pipe and oil feed?
My price estimate was incl. header gasket and copper washers for the oil feed.
And you did not allow for time to borrow tools from neighbour, for beers & smokes to celebrate the DIY achievement and to brag about it to friends and to hide the oily t-shirt & pants at the bottom of the laundry basket ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 08, 2010, 12:04:37 pm
removed the header pipe.
left the oil feed in,  used an allen key for the inner bolt.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 08, 2010, 12:10:19 pm
Best to use a new header pipe gasket if you had it off. Suzuki OEM is around R 100 but you can often get generics for R30 - R40.
The muffler connector packing of the OEM pipe (not used on most aftermarket cans) becomes reusable if you use plenty of copper compound on assembly.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 01:00:51 pm
Those disk pads are daylight robbery. My boet got his re-lined for R20 a set= R40 for front and rear!!
Ja boet, Afrika for you eh... I can't wait for that guy to quote me on my ally 'koffertjie' ;-) Dylan, maybe we can get a better price if we buy 2!  >:D  You'd love the extra space, won't you  :drif:

 ;)

Burrie... you must think nicely before you get that thing made. The extra weight aint gonna make it easy to ride where we are still gonna ride....  :deal:
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/IMG_0036.jpg)
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/IMG_0013.jpg)

Would look bloody sweet though!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on June 08, 2010, 01:05:54 pm
Here's what I think the OEM screen should have looked like.
I also attached a gif to show the difference.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 01:36:27 pm
Netjies Lourens! Ek dink jy is reg :ricky:

Dyl, you'll love my sootkase when I take out a cold beer after a long day  :mwink: And hopefully the shiny bit will keep you entertained when you try 'catchin up...'  :eek7: (Only kidding ;) ) I'll need to make it quite heavy, so then I'll have an excuse for being the last at camp :o
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 02:00:39 pm
Beserker, 31k all in that sounds like a good price")

thanks all for the info,  le cap how much for the front spring upgrade the oil leak is from the timming bolt at the rear of the motor

The springs are R1500. Please make up your mind as I want to order a shipment next week. They are highly recommended if you want to play rough and are a must if you're over 100kg or run a long range tank like the 25l Acerbis or even worse the Aqualine Safari barrel. For lighter riders they are still an advantage as they stabilise the bike in sand.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32471.0 (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32471.0)

The timing chain tensioner gasket leak is a nice opportunity to knock a Grand off the price :evil6: You can DIY on a rainy Saturday parts needed no more than R200.

Howsit - can anyone confirm or deny: Went to a brake relining place today and they won't reline my DR's brake pads - apparentaly its against the law.  :patch:

Regards

Against the law of common sense?
I would not get relined pads no matter if it's for bike or bakkie.
I only ever remember drum shoes for our army trucks being relined as the lining was riveted anyway.

Isnt sintered heavy on the disks.  There was a post about sintered not so long ago.

Organic compound is often the better choice for a "normal" bike (as in no racing).
Road use sinter lasts longer but is more expensive levelling the lifetime vs. price advantage. Sinter is harsher on discs than organic compound.

I think Ill ride it for a month before I order as the stock ones actually fell ok Im 75kg  thanks for your info le cap I do wantthe 25 litre tank any good vendors here?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 02:09:06 pm
Netjies Lourens! Ek dink jy is reg :ricky:

Dyl, you'll love my sootkase when I take out a cold beer after a long day  :mwink: And hopefully the shiny bit will keep you entertained when you try 'catchin up...'  :eek7: (Only kidding ;) ) I'll need to make it quite heavy, so then I'll have an excuse for being the last at camp :o


You'll probably make it there before me anyway! Eks n bang gat na ek n donkie geklap het! :laughing4:
That box could look good.... Got a pic?

PS. notice ol Werns paddling his way through that mudhole  :imaposer:.... Hy't amper sy gat gesien!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 02:28:25 pm
You'll probably make it there before me anyway! Eks n bang gat na ek n donkie geklap het! :laughing4:
That box could look good.... Got a pic?

PS. notice ol Werns paddling his way through that mudhole  :imaposer:.... Hy't amper sy gat gesien!

Ou Werries lyk of hy mx-boot-skiing aanpak daarso! My lack of 'donkie-bewerasies' might just land me in a fence or a hole or something if I don't keep taking it easy.
Don't have a pic of the 'koffertjie' yet, thinking the same kind of look as the HepcoBecker stuff. Just not sure of how the mountings are going to look.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 08, 2010, 02:45:53 pm
How bout one of these in black?
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/Pelican1300.jpg)
A bit pricey but practical and strong!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 03:28:06 pm
Consider new pistonslap. I've seen drs for 55K now. 2wheels mag June edition.

Thanks jenks, the 09 brand new is R50k

Edit at CIT  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 08, 2010, 04:14:21 pm
Those pelican cases look very nice Dyl, just too bad they cost an arm and a leg.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 05:18:45 pm
Those pelican cases look very nice Dyl, just too bad they cost an arm and a leg.

call kameraz in rosebank they have a cheaper option as good
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 08, 2010, 07:43:17 pm
BTW guys

I installed the vapor a few days ago and also the 14t. Checked my consumption after 78kms today. 4,3l/100km! Just squirting round the suburbs - 50-80kph. That's better than I expected with the 14t. The bike's popping a lot more since I installed the 14t, strange. All I can think of is that the decel is now in a higher and leaner rev range.

I set the vapor's temp warning range to 120 degrees c and 140 degrees c (about 250 to 290f). The interesting thing is the bike seems happiest at around 70-80 degrees c (160-180f). More than that and she starts running slightly rough. I was also impressed by how well the bike sheds heat after shutdown.

I installed the vapor temp sensor lead on the banjo nut on the timing chain cover as recommended by lecap.

I'd definitely recommend the vapor for anyone wanting to check rpm and engine temp. It's also extremely accurate in kph and odo readings. Nice piece of kit!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 08, 2010, 08:13:26 pm
Had the 14T for a few weeks now. Absolutely love it. Slicker gear changes, more power for overtaking and has made that fast 1st gear a whole lot better but not perfect. On the open road I now cruise at about 100km/h but still have speed in reserve for overtaking or if in a hurry. In a nutshell I think the pro's outweigh the only one con.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 08, 2010, 08:22:19 pm
Rob - I think I may be a little lean in the mid range. The 14t was an improvement - but not as much as I expected. I'll try the 155 dj main and see how she runs now with the 14t. I'm currently on the 150 dj main.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 08, 2010, 08:42:23 pm
Rob - I think I may be a little lean in the mid range. I'll try the 155 dj main and see how she runs now with the 14t.

I agree with you Jenks - the sprocket cannot have anything to do with your popping, especially at such slow speeds. From what little I know it is very difficult to totally eliminate.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 08, 2010, 09:17:29 pm
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale




 ...ok    ;D


Now I need....

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?



 


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 08, 2010, 09:36:44 pm
The 14t was an improvement - but not as much as I expected. I'll try the 155 dj main and see how she runs now with the 14t. I'm currently on the 150 dj main.

Jenks, I think you have an extra tooth on your back sprocket, compared to SA bikes.  To me 14 tooth sprocket made a valuable difference on stock bike when doing technical off road, where standard gearing to high.  Less need for it with pumper carb.  I cannot think that the gearing change can effect your needed jetting.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 05:44:06 am
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale




 ...ok    ;D


Now I need....

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?



 




handguards
bar raisers/new bars
braided front brake hose
bashplate
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 07:06:30 am
Hagar I was wondering about that (the back sprocket). I'l check it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 09, 2010, 07:12:23 am
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale




 ...ok    ;D


Now I need....

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?


Tank I can get if you don't want to order one from overseas yourself
Bash plate I have. Not just a stone chip guard but probably the best bash plate you can get. Ask Ganjora & Rob_A R 1800
Risers R450 shimstack type adjustable from 5mm to 35mm / 45mm in increments of 5mm.
I'm busy with the same type risers with fat bar conversion, available soon.

Have a look at the Vendor section for piccies of risers and bash plate
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 07:15:47 am
Hey congrats Pistonslap!

Yup handguards, bar raisers, IMS tank, rack, skidplate

Nice to haves: TM40 pumper carb, vapor, sargent seat (nice for touring)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 09, 2010, 07:26:26 am
Is that tech day going to happen sometime?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 07:30:00 am
Ja - I think Ganjora is organising it. My spot is too small.

That pad of yours in the Magalies looks awesome, BTW.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 09, 2010, 07:32:26 am
OK cool. I need to pick some brains about my DR. I'd also like to see exactly what the differences are between a '91 and the newer DRs.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 09, 2010, 07:35:14 am
Keep us posted on the tech day. I would love to feel the difference between them peoples bikes with stock modded carbs and my setup?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 07:38:26 am
OK cool. I need to pick some brains about my DR. I'd also like to see exactly what the differences are between a '91 and the newer DRs.

I know squat about the pre 96 dr. I think most of the guys will be the same- but we could try help out. The best oke to ask is lecap on that - maybe we should ship him up to Jozi :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 07:43:44 am
Ja - I think Ganjora is organising it. My spot is too small.

That pad of yours in the Magalies looks awesome, BTW.

let's do it @ DB9's place?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 07:55:09 am
DB9 how do you feel about a tech day at your pad? If you're bok, name a date here and we'll all fit in.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 09, 2010, 07:56:56 am
Ja - I think Ganjora is organising it. My spot is too small.

That pad of yours in the Magalies looks awesome, BTW.

let's do it @ DB9's place?

Can be done, I have most size spanners.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 08:26:51 am
next week saturday: 19/6 @ DB9???

1 yes so far...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 08:27:36 am
got a torque wrench and valve adjustment tool
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 09, 2010, 08:40:08 am
Hey congrats Pistonslap!

Yup handguards, bar raisers, IMS tank, rack, skidplate

Nice to haves: TM40 pumper carb, vapor, sargent seat (nice for touring)

Jenks, how big is the IMS?

I must say, the Acerbis that we fitted impressed me with fit and finish, and it actually is not more bulky than stock.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 09, 2010, 09:03:54 am
Hey congrats Pistonslap!

Yup handguards, bar raisers, IMS tank, rack, skidplate

Nice to haves: TM40 pumper carb, vapor, sargent seat (nice for touring)

Thanks jenks, I have hand guards, bars vapour, need to sort Raisers still as well as tank and bashplate and can, Ganjora I dnt think Ill go as far as you with briaded hoses and carb I just want a trip donkey

Front suspention feels quite nice stock may have to wait and see as le cap says with the extra fuel tank..I like plush suspension in the front.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 09, 2010, 09:04:12 am
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?


If you ride sand...a rimlock, maybe hand protectors.

Note on Zorst, see if you can get the SuperTrapp on Thumper Talk, weighs less than half of the OEM, and brings the bike on the pipe quicker than the FMF. Also, excluding shipping, it costs the same as some of the locally manufactured pipes..shipping is of course to be considered.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 09, 2010, 09:10:47 am
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?


If you ride sand...a rimlock, maybe hand protectors.

Note on Zorst, see if you can get the SuperTrapp on Thumper Talk, weighs less than half of the OEM, and brings the bike on the pipe quicker than the FMF. Also, excluding shipping, it costs the same as some of the locally manufactured pipes..shipping is of course to be considered.

Thanks Beserker, it doesnt have a rim lock!? fark ok rim lock then :deal: Ill check out the trapp had one on my old 500r moons back and loved it
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 09, 2010, 09:15:38 am
Ok okes I have a stock stock stock  standard DR650SE.. never seen a dirt road in its life....shame. and no the honda is not for sale




 ...ok    ;D


Now I need....

fuel tank 18-25l?
Bash plate ?
Zorst Can?
Bar raisers?


Tank I can get if you don't want to order one from overseas yourself
Bash plate I have. Not just a stone chip guard but probably the best bash plate you can get. Ask Ganjora & Rob_A R 1800
Risers R450 shimstack type adjustable from 5mm to 35mm / 45mm in increments of 5mm.
I'm busy with the same type risers with fat bar conversion, available soon.

Have a look at the Vendor section for piccies of risers and bash plate

Thanks Lecap I have renthal bars I want to fit so will need the adapter keep me posted Ill take a set
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 09, 2010, 09:18:38 am
Ja - I think Ganjora is organising it. My spot is too small.

That pad of yours in the Magalies looks awesome, BTW.

let's do it @ DB9's place?

Can be done, I have most size spanners.

Great can I pull in and learn from the xpurts :3some:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 09:43:11 am
Yup Pistonslap. All dr guys are welcome!! Just no reminiscing about the XR allowed. No unfavourable comparisons, etc >:D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 09, 2010, 09:45:18 am
next week saturday: 19/6 @ DB9???

1 yes so far...
I'm there like a bear :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on June 09, 2010, 09:53:10 am
next week saturday: 19/6 @ DB9???

1 yes so far...
I'm there like a bear :)

I'm interested and I've got a shifting spanner.  Can I come?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 10:29:09 am
INAUGURAL DR TECH DAY - 19/6

Venue: DB9's Pozzie

Attending:
DB9 - most basic tools; venue
Jenks
Lourens - shifting spanner
Pistonslap
Ganjora - vavle adjsutement tool; torque wrench

each to bring their own tjop & dop.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 09, 2010, 10:29:33 am
Yup Pistonslap. All dr guys are welcome!! Just no reminiscing about the XR allowed. No unfavourable comparisons, etc >:D

Cool ok, so you mean like, dont bring a gun to a knife fight ;D ;D ;D  :lamer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 09, 2010, 12:10:08 pm
Can I come over and pick your brains for Ideas on this:
(http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af320/Dylandr_photos/partialasm1.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 09, 2010, 12:17:20 pm
INAUGURAL DR TECH DAY - 19/6

Venue: DB9's Pozzie

Attending:
DB9 - most basic tools; venue
Jenks
Lourens - shifting spanner
Pistonslap
Ganjora - vavle adjsutement tool; torque wrench
dylandr - paper and colouring in equip to draw rallye screens

each to bring their own tjop & dop.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 09, 2010, 12:18:38 pm
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 09, 2010, 02:09:22 pm
Dylan, I like them mounts!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 09, 2010, 02:51:16 pm
Shotto Sharky. I like them mounts too... busy with the tray. :pot:
When we gonna talk about a GPS mount?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 09, 2010, 03:09:10 pm
I'll see you at the meeting tonight!  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 05:34:05 am
Will this fit an 07?

http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_69_172&products_id=335
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 10, 2010, 05:38:19 am
Will this fit an 07?

http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_69_172&products_id=335

yes,  but with some modification.   was made for the dr650s not se.
the clarke and the IMS are built to fit the se
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 05:52:59 am
Will this fit an 07?

http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_69_172&products_id=335

yes,  but with some modification.   was made for the dr650s not se.
the clarke and the IMS are built to fit the se


How much mod G do I have to mod the tank or the bike or both dont mind the ims but prefer the look of the acerbis


edit ok looks like a fark up will look at IMS
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 05:59:11 am

how much power does the coil put out can I run 2x 55w globes.. Ive got led flickers and tail light ?

...thanks for the feedback :deal:

Hows this tank :o
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 10, 2010, 06:33:17 am
not particularly relevent to your query,  but interesting.

It's not the time you have it connected but the power you draw from it while connected that is important.  As the cell phone battery charges the charger will draw less and less current from the DR's battery untill it is drawing virtually nothing.  
 The DR's battery has a capacity of 8 Amp hours when new. This decreases with age. My Nokia 5800 battery is 1.3 Ah and charges at 5 Volts. If it was totally flat and your charger was one of the cheap series regulator ones you can buy on the road you would have about 80% of the capacity left. This should be more than enough to start the bike.  If you use a better switch mode type charger it should use less than half of the power.
I dont think you have a problem but try it at home a few times.  I will do a bit more homework on this as well.  
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 06:46:21 am
not particularly relevent to your query,  but interesting.

It's not the time you have it connected but the power you draw from it while connected that is important.  As the cell phone battery charges the charger will draw less and less current from the DR's battery untill it is drawing virtually nothing.  
 The DR's battery has a capacity of 8 Amp hours when new. This decreases with age. My Nokia 5800 battery is 1.3 Ah and charges at 5 Volts. If it was totally flat and your charger was one of the cheap series regulator ones you can buy on the road you would have about 80% of the capacity left. This should be more than enough to start the bike.  If you use a better switch mode type charger it should use less than half of the power.
I dont think you have a problem but try it at home a few times.  I will do a bit more homework on this as well.  

 thanks, so perhaps It would drain the battery then. the  xr doesnt have a battery it feeds everything from a coil pehaps I should look at hid, for a touring app the dr is kark for night riding
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 10, 2010, 07:23:21 am
What tank is that Pistonslap
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 10, 2010, 07:29:28 am
hmmm. aqualine 33ltr..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 10, 2010, 08:56:41 am
INAUGURAL DR TECH DAY - 19/6

Venue: DB9's Pozzie

Attending:
DB9 - most basic tools; venue
Jenks
Lourens - shifting spanner
Pistonslap
Ganjora - vavle adjsutement tool; torque wrench

each to bring their own tjop & dop.

OK Cool. See you guys then. I'll be fitting bar raisers, and I'm keen to look at footpeg options. I'm not sure if the '91 had the same mounts as the newer DRs, they look a bit peculiar.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 10, 2010, 09:07:21 am
What tank is that Pistonslap

SAFARI 33L
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 10, 2010, 09:14:34 am
I'm not sure if the '91 had the same mounts as the newer DRs, they look a bit peculiar.

it has different mounts.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 10, 2010, 09:18:14 am
Mods to fit the Acerbis:
Make mounting bracket to bolt onto frame. Modify seat. Relocate front indicators.

The Aqualine I have seen was of pathetic fit. Quality of accessories was crude to say the least.

I would rather go for the 25l Acerbis with all necessary modifications.

Tank sizes + average fuel ranges (leaving 3l reserve):
OEM:13l 200km
Clarke 16l 260km
IMS 19l 320km
Acerbis 25l 440km
Aquali8ne 33l 600km

The Clarke is actually sufficient for within SA (my experience). You obviously have to plan ahead where to fill up.

The blue tank is the Aqualine Safari.

I'll check on the power output of the alternator & reply later. Don't think it will cope with two 55w / 60W beams.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 10, 2010, 09:24:40 am
Blikskottels!  :thumleft: Ek like daai Auqualine 30l tenk moese baie!! Die prys is net heeltemal te veel - bling is darem net te duur!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 10, 2010, 09:30:05 am
+1 sharky!
Sal nie omgee vir n acerbis een nie!
Daai safari is n moerse tank! :o

Groete Kabel-sleeper!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 12:54:14 pm
Mods to fit the Acerbis:
Make mounting bracket to bolt onto frame. Modify seat. Relocate front indicators.

The Aqualine I have seen was of pathetic fit. Quality of accessories was crude to say the least.

I would rather go for the 25l Acerbis with all necessary modifications.

Tank sizes + average fuel ranges (leaving 3l reserve):
OEM:13l 200km
Clarke 16l 260km
IMS 19l 320km
Acerbis 25l 440km
Aquali8ne 33l 600km

The Clarke is actually sufficient for within SA (my experience). You obviously have to plan ahead where to fill up.

The blue tank is the Aqualine Safari.

I'll check on the power output of the alternator & reply later. Don't think it will cope with two 55w / 60W beams.

Thanks le cap, where can I see the 25l acerbis have you got an image of it pref on the bike? I recon 25l is a nice range

This looks neat
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 10, 2010, 02:45:48 pm
That first one looks orgasmic. The light stack turns me on!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on June 10, 2010, 04:47:03 pm
That first one looks orgasmic. The light stack turns me on!

Now you are scaring me!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 10, 2010, 05:02:07 pm
Well I think that light stack is uggs man. The circular setup is sweet though.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 10, 2010, 05:16:52 pm
the 2nd one looks like the baja light on the XR's
check the red handle above it to adjust on the fly.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 10, 2010, 05:23:48 pm
Regarding tech day

I'll bring me little driver ratchet set to do the NSU. Any other tools required??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 10, 2010, 05:26:52 pm
INAUGURAL DR TECH DAY - 19/6

Venue: DB9's Pozzie

Attending:
DB9 - most basic tools; venue
Jenks - little ratchet set for the NSU screws
Lourens - shifting spanner
Pistonslap
Ganjora - vavle adjsutement tool; torque wrench
dylandr - paper and colouring in equip to draw rallye screens

each to bring their own tjop & dop.


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on June 10, 2010, 05:43:47 pm
INAUGURAL DR TECH DAY - 19/6

Venue: DB9's Pozzie

Attending:
DB9 - most basic tools; venue
Jenks - little ratchet set for the NSU screws
Lourens - shifting spanner
Pistonslap
Ganjora - vavle adjsutement tool; torque wrench
dylandr - paper and colouring in equip to draw rallye screens

each to bring their own tjop & dop.


My cousin who bought his DR with me would like to join also. 

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 10, 2010, 08:22:47 pm
Picked it up today :P


let the farkling begin >:D

I start with T63 tommo , will it go through roadworthy with t63s on? should do?

Check it out

slight oil weep on the tensioner aside from that its had and easy life

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 11, 2010, 06:53:47 am
very nice bike Pistonslap.
the gasket costs R20,  and the job is 20mins.
depending on how much you ride,  it might hold out till the tech day...   
will bring the service manual on a memory stick for who ever wants to copy it...

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 11, 2010, 08:14:19 am
very nice bike Pistonslap.
the gasket costs R20,  and the job is 20mins.
depending on how much you ride,  it might hold out till the tech day...   
will bring the service manual on a memory stick for who ever wants to copy it...



Thanks Ganjora, if you cut it to disc Ill give you beer? wont bring the laptop if on the bike


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 11, 2010, 12:02:13 pm
Hi everybody

I need a larger idle jet - a mikuni 45 or 47.5 for the Mikuni BST40 (Mikuni sizes please) Can anybody help?

Regards
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 11, 2010, 12:24:01 pm
hey burrie.

Did ya try KTM?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 11, 2010, 12:39:53 pm
hey burrie.

Did ya try KTM?

Ja ou maat - hulle het net MainJets oor... Sad ne?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 11, 2010, 02:10:18 pm
I dont think idel jets are that easy to find in SA.

I may be wrong.

Is this for the DR SharkyZA
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 11, 2010, 02:14:22 pm
Nice shots, Pistonslap! That's a beautiful bike! I'd still go for the fmf if I wuz you :)

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 11, 2010, 07:40:24 pm
I dont think idel jets are that easy to find in SA.

I may be wrong.

Is this for the DR SharkyZA
Yeah, my DR is a little hesitant when pulling away or very low power cruising (20-30km/h) especially when not very hot. I'd like to pop in a 45 idle jet i.s.o. the 42.5 I thinkit'll make the world of difference...

Always the little things ;-)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 12, 2010, 04:40:25 am
very nice bike Pistonslap.
the gasket costs R20,  and the job is 20mins.
depending on how much you ride,  it might hold out till the tech day...   
will bring the service manual on a memory stick for who ever wants to copy it...



Thanks Ganjora, if you cut it to disc Ill give you beer? wont bring the laptop if on the bike




Got the manual  ;) ordred the tank should be here in 10 days still deciding on the zorst always liked a t4 on the xr so may go that route.
(http://www.ahpminis.com/store/images/PC_T4.jpg)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 12, 2010, 04:41:34 am
Nice shots, Pistonslap! That's a beautiful bike! I'd still go for the fmf if I wuz you :)



Thanks Jenks, still deciding but that fmf is neat :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 12, 2010, 06:39:57 am
That's a perdy pipe pistonslap, very nice indeed :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on June 12, 2010, 11:42:07 am
Nice shots, Pistonslap! That's a beautiful bike! I'd still go for the fmf if I wuz you :)



Thanks Jenks, still deciding but that fmf is neat :thumleft:

Pistonslap

The T4 & FMF. Are they full systems, or slip-ons?

Price?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 12, 2010, 05:23:33 pm
As a matter of interest Jenks how long does the DR have to idle (on a typical highveld winter morning) before it reaches, say, 50 degrees of so. Reason I am asking this is that I am a firm believer in warming motors up before taking off.
Title: like the original analogue
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 12, 2010, 08:07:48 pm
Nice shots, Pistonslap! That's a beautiful bike! I'd still go for the fmf if I wuz you :)



Thanks Jenks, still deciding but that fmf is neat :thumleft:

Pistonslap

The T4 & FMF. Are they full systems, or slip-ons?

Price?

Chopperpilot they offer both options full and slip on on my part not really aiming to squeeze more power just want to hear the motor and am sure it will give it some personality .. I may mod a pipe from bpo still deciding the t4 works out at around R3k then still have to fit etc.

Im not putting the vapor on I prefer the original chrono and it has the original milage as-well
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 12, 2010, 11:40:17 pm
As a matter of interest Jenks how long does the DR have to idle (on a typical highveld winter morning) before it reaches, say, 50 degrees of so. Reason I am asking this is that I am a firm believer in warming motors up before taking off.

isn't that interesting...
i was lead to believe that new 4T motors didn't like to be idled when/from cold....   , and it was a case of start; engage gear; drive gently 'till warmed up; then go waka waka eh eh..
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 13, 2010, 12:13:41 am
As a matter of interest Jenks how long does the DR have to idle (on a typical highveld winter morning) before it reaches, say, 50 degrees of so. Reason I am asking this is that I am a firm believer in warming motors up before taking off.

isn't that interesting...
i was lead to believe that new 4T motors didn't like to be idled when/from cold....   , and it was a case of start; engage gear; drive gently 'till warmed up; then go waka waka eh eh..


Doesn't make much of a difference. Just don't torment it within the first ten minutes.

Nice shots, Pistonslap! That's a beautiful bike! I'd still go for the fmf if I wuz you :)



Thanks Jenks, still deciding but that fmf is neat :thumleft:

Pistonslap

The T4 & FMF. Are they full systems, or slip-ons?

Price?

Chopperpilot they offer both options full and slip on on my part not really aiming to squeeze more power just want to hear the motor and am sure it will give it some personality .. I may mod a pipe from bpo still deciding the t4 works out at around R3k then still have to fit etc.

Im not putting the vapor on I prefer the original chrono and it has the original milage as-well

Get a bash plate. The last one I sold paid for itself by saving an alternator within the first trip :thumleft:
Title: B
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 13, 2010, 05:42:10 am
[Quote/] Get a bash plate. The last one I sold paid for itself by saving an alternator within the first trip :thumleft: [/quote]

Edit rant off

Bash plate is a must, suspention needs setup :thumleft:




The brakes are great the power is fine if I can sort the suspension out.

Put some bars on, much better just need to add about 10mm more raise and theyll be neat. The main reason I put them on is so they would be unlikely to bend in a fall far from home.


Aside from that its really neat scooter





Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 13, 2010, 08:35:47 am
Very nice bars. How much did you pay pistonslap??

Was it a pain removing the grips?

BTW guys - here's a nice plugs reading link. Very useful! I think my timing may be slightly too advanced.

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Spark_plug_reading.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 13, 2010, 08:43:58 am
Here's one of the new ngk plugs. Do Lecap and the other dr fundis think I should retard the timing a little??

Sorry about that #$%&$ blurry pic. The ground strap is burned grey well beyond the bend, close to the threads. Thanks!

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/markedplug.jpg)

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 13, 2010, 10:00:37 am
Very nice bars. How much did you pay pistonslap??

Was it a pain removing the grips?

BTW guys - here's a nice plugs reading link. Very useful! I think my timing may be slightly too advanced.

http://www.4secondsflat.com/Spark_plug_reading.html

Thanks Jenks, Bars are Zeta's .. R400.00 at Randburg Motorcycles (these okes have good pricing") I went for the MX bend as I like the feel more forward..the grip came off easily just squirted a little petrol down the side then just blew it off with compressed air :thumleft:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 13, 2010, 03:16:00 pm
Jeez that's a good price. Full throttle are about double for a set of protapers.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 09:02:33 am
Greetings all
Tried to do my jetting this weekend, what a Faarkup.
My kid brushed his hands across the table and I lost a few parts.
Ive learn that you dont work with tiny fiddly things when in a kark mood.
I didnt wanna move anything, so I'll be searching for the parts this afternoon.
The main jet is in, the needle and other parts are missing in action for now.

I then wanted to replace the float bowl screws as mine looked pretty mutilated.
Was too lazy to go buy an impact hammer so I took a hacksaw to the screws and used a flat screwdriver.
Now my so called acquired float bowl screws (measurements from the internet)  did not fit.
They are too small.

Jenks, dont know if you have used yours yet..?

Will be going to buy some new ones today.
Anyone else looking for some float bowl screws..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 14, 2010, 09:12:43 am
Hi Manfred - sorry to hear about ur bad luck, Dyl and I thought you were in hospital somewhere and thats why you couldn't come on Sunday's noob ride. We were the only 2 DRs there for the day  :bueller: At least we had some fun, saw some cool things and made a few mates along the way...
Sorry for the poor guy who lost his Transalp to a rut and busted the beautiful fairing to pieces   :(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 09:26:29 am
My initial thoughts were of my son being in the hospital.  And I cant really prove it was him and he is only 4.

The best I could do was talk to him and see if he maybe picked them up.
But he was adamant that it was not him.

Would have loved to go, havent been in the dirt with the DR yet.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 14, 2010, 09:46:43 am
 :pot: Until next time Manfred! We'll keep an eye out for you.
My 2 yr old also sometimes just test the limits of my patience, and strangely, I always find some more "patience" that is... But ja, I know what you mean! Good luck with the fix.

I found a guy who could source the idle jets for me, he is mailing 2 up for me today. If you get stuck, let me know, I'll pm his details to you.

Regards
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 09:47:49 am
Less ignition advance might give you detonation problems.
Ignition timing is also non adjustable on the DR650SE and determined by the layout and position of the trigger on the flywheel and the position of the pickup coil as well as by the mapping of the CDI.

Re: Bars.
I've got absolutely no idea how different manufacturers bars relate to each other. Aluminium is not the same as aluminium you get a range of alloys beyond insane and most can be heat treated to considerably improve their properties.
Renthal and ProTaper have been around for a very long time, used by lots of racers and are well known for top quality
Other (cheaper) brands like AirTime & Zeta might be just as good for half the price, good enough for a standard DS application or crap, who knows?

Busy making fat bar clamps for Ganjora. Height adjustable. Cleaner design than the bolt on top jobbies.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 10:08:29 am
SharkyZA, go read on TT and ADVRider, increasing the idle jet is not recommended.
Adjusting the the fuel screw together with the idling is the way to do it.

But then again, this is where I got my sizes for the float bowl screws.  Maybe they have a different carb there.

I say install and test, who knows, our carbs may be a little different
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 14, 2010, 10:29:05 am
Greetings all
Tried to do my jetting this weekend, what a Faarkup.
My kid brushed his hands across the table and I lost a few parts.
Ive learn that you dont work with tiny fiddly things when in a kark mood.
I didnt wanna move anything, so I'll be searching for the parts this afternoon.
The main jet is in, the needle and other parts are missing in action for now.

I then wanted to replace the float bowl screws as mine looked pretty mutilated.
Was too lazy to go buy an impact hammer so I took a hacksaw to the screws and used a flat screwdriver.
Now my so called acquired float bowl screws (measurements from the internet)  did not fit.
They are too small.

Jenks, dont know if you have used yours yet..?

Will be going to buy some new ones today.
Anyone else looking for some float bowl screws..?

Manfred, do not buy the screws from Suzuki, they will sell you the same soft phillips headed things that gave you k*k in the first place.  Go to bolt and nut and buy stainless steel capscrews with a allen head.  Will cost a few rand, I do not know the size but bet it will be standard metric threads, most likely 5mm if not 4mm.  Life is to short for Suzuki phillips screws.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 14, 2010, 10:30:22 am
SharkyZA, go read on TT and ADVRider, increasing the idle jet is not recommended.
Adjusting the the fuel screw together with the idling is the way to do it.

But then again, this is where I got my sizes for the float bowl screws.  Maybe they have a different carb there.

I say install and test, who knows, our carbs may be a little different

On advrider and zenseeker most guys go to 47.5 idle jet and 155 - 160 main (with opened airbox and other pipe of course) so I don't think it should be a problem.
I agree with the last statement - om te meet is om te weet!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 10:32:49 am
Nooooooooo, no Suzuki screws.
I used to buy from a place called Acorn Fasteners in Centurion.
DylanDR told me about Screwplate on Garsfontein road, near Menlyn
Much closer to me.

I did notice that there was no loctite (unless clear) on the screws.
So they must be screwed in with one hellofa force.
A beeeatch to get loose
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 10:34:56 am
Whee are the guys that use the 47.5..?
Sea level..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 10:48:07 am
Does anyone know what these three connections are used for..?


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 14, 2010, 11:50:41 am
Manfred

I can't really say for sure but if I may guess, the one is a power out,(orange/Blck and white) And one WAS for the side stand switch that has been bypassed. The other one is Unknown!
Correct?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: wiledog_X on June 14, 2010, 11:54:35 am
some dumb questions from a noob who bought a DR... having some doubts if i bought the right machine...

• is the DR650 really suited for long range travel, i.e. throttle open on long stretches of tar? i found the whole bike gets really unstable at around 110km/h...
• do i need to add a windscreen? my light 70kg frame gets buffeted by the wind something hectic when i reach higher speeds...

i probably should have asked these questions before i bought. it's an awesome bike off-road, handles like a dream, but i'm concerned about it's performance over longer ranges. i want to do some touring, will plan it so it's mostly offroad, but still....

what do you guys think?


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 12:04:26 pm
DylanDR, I havent bypassed the sidstandswitch, the clutch either.  Still need to do it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 12:11:14 pm
wiledog_X, I do 120 - 130 kph.  I also weigh just over 100 kg's and I am about 1.85 m.
At that speed, Im holding on for dear life.  It isnt comfortable.
100 kph is ideal.
This isnt a speed machine.

You can look at things like getting the seat redone, a windscreen.  There is a kappa one Ive read about that works quite well.
I wont buy it because it will shift the wind from my chest to my head.

The cheapest option is to ride slower   ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 14, 2010, 12:11:45 pm
you can cruise all day at 130kph.   tyre choice and pressure probably has something to do with the instability you describe.
suited for long range travel?? - i've done 855km in a day.
a screen would probably help with the buffeting,   but it might make the buffeting around your helmet a bit worse...   i removed the screen from my old KLR as sitting in 'clean' air was way better than the buffeting on the helmet.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 12:12:57 pm
Didn't you crank up your rear shock spring preload a bit too much?

Not sure about wiring connectors. The big white one to the left I think is side stand switch. The black connector with the black /white tracer and orange cables could be the brake light switch. The small yellowish white one could be the throttle position switch?
Will have to look at one of my bikes.

some dumb questions from a noob who bought a DR... having some doubts if i bought the right machine...

• is the DR650 really suited for long range travel, i.e. throttle open on long stretches of tar? i found the whole bike gets really unstable at around 110km/h...
• do i need to add a windscreen? my light 70kg frame gets buffeted by the wind something hectic when i reach higher speeds...

i probably should have asked these questions before i bought. it's an awesome bike off-road, handles like a dream, but i'm concerned about it's performance over longer ranges. i want to do some touring, will plan it so it's mostly offroad, but still....

what do you guys think?

The bike should not get anything beyond a hardly noticable speed wobble around top speed as long as tires / tire pressures, wheel bearings and steering head bearings are ok. Never ride with arms stretched out and never grip the bars firmly.

I've taken my DR's as far as up to the Angolan border and to Kruger. They are suited for that. But you better forget about going faster than 120 km/h all day long. If you don't go faster all the time you won't need a windscreen either ;D
If you go faster fo0r a while you move slightly back and lean a bit more forward.

If you tour mostly offroad the DR is perfect. Most dirt roads will not allow you to do more than 90km/h or so safely and over distance. Often much less :)
If the DR can't make it find smaller roads. :thumleft:
No one except Harley owners want to ride on tar anyway. If you have to take it easy & enjoy the scenery.

A faster more tour capable bike wil come with disadvantages (more weight, higher price, less dirt capability, easier to break...)
Keep the DR and aquire the right mindset :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 12:13:41 pm
But Ganjora, you cant even feel your butt anymore.

Us mere mortals will last about 100km's and the pain will set in.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 14, 2010, 12:18:04 pm
some dumb questions from a noob who bought a DR... having some doubts if i bought the right machine...

• is the DR650 really suited for long range travel, i.e. throttle open on long stretches of tar? i found the whole bike gets really unstable at around 110km/h...
• do i need to add a windscreen? my light 70kg frame gets buffeted by the wind something hectic when i reach higher speeds...

i probably should have asked these questions before i bought. it's an awesome bike off-road, handles like a dream, but i'm concerned about it's performance over longer ranges. i want to do some touring, will plan it so it's mostly offroad, but still....

what do you guys think?

Keep the DR. I'm around the same build as you. I'm 1.93m and I really kak off on high speed. Gey a powerball, strengthen your forearms and ride, ride ,ride!!!

Its a brilliant touring bike, trailbike.



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 12:18:18 pm
Lecap, Ive set it to the max distance, 238.5 mm I think it was.
Seeing as Im way over the average weight for the bike, I set it to max.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 14, 2010, 01:12:18 pm
 >:( Fuckit man. These front shocks of mine just won't stop leaking!! Now I need to pull the seals and change them out!

oil seals : R67 (Pair)
Dust seals : R110 each
Fork oil 10W : R110.

Suzuki toy store.
I hope this isn't because of the donkey incident! If my shocks are bent I'm gonna be de hoppen de fokken!!!!   :xxbah:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 14, 2010, 01:17:48 pm
Hey ou grote
Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the shocks! You should have known  >:D when they leaked the 1st time the other day that without new seals that wouldn't have been the fat lady singin. The REALLY bad news is that I'm gone on Wednesday and the weekend so I won't even be able to help you then.
About the fork oil weight: I find my bike kicking over forward when cruising over obstacles, like the rear end is too springy or the front is too soft? What to do? Thicker front fork oil or set the rear adjuster all the way clockwise or counterclockwise?
Tjeers vir eers :pot:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 14, 2010, 01:36:12 pm
Think the front is too spongy! The rear could also do with some stiffer springs.
I think for now:

10W/15W oil in front
1/2 inch spacers in front.
crank the rear up some.

Dunno how much new springs for the rear are but right now I need new chain and sprockets.
FUCKING donkey! I'm sure it was from the accident!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 01:39:32 pm
Lecap, Ive set it to the max distance, 238.5 mm I think it was.
Seeing as Im way over the average weight for the bike, I set it to max.


Looked less.
Dangerous. Too much preload and you bottom out the spring on block length. Ouch! Something will break!
If you're still too soft I can get you another spring :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 01:41:27 pm
LOL.  I know.

In the following order:

Bashplate
Fork springs
Rear spring

The rear you rebuild if I remember correctly....
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 01:42:33 pm
I'll go measure again and make sure.

Do you think I should make it a little less on the preload..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 01:48:19 pm
Think the front is too spongy! The rear could also do with some stiffer springs.
I think for now:

10W/15W oil in front
1/2 inch spacers in front.
crank the rear up some.

Dunno how much new springs for the rear are but right now I need new chain and sprockets.
FUCKING donkey! I'm sure it was from the accident!

15W in front is too thick. You accumulate negative travel and bottom out.
Spacers in front don't work. They compress the softer part of the spring and move the takeover of the harder part to above where you actually ride. The forks get ill mannered and stiff. Sore wrists. Get Wilbers springs.
R 1200 for a stiffer rear spring. You can get away with turning the damper harder but ideally revalve.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on June 14, 2010, 02:22:41 pm
Well I'm +- 70kg but for the riding I do those shocks are a bit plush. I need less sag and stiffer springs.
How much for wilbers springs for the front?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 02:28:54 pm
Front springs R 1500. Work very well. Ask Ganjora.Busy putting together an order.

Re. the rear: Do you manage to bottom it out? Else just increase preload.

238mm is the min allowed preloaded length of the spring. Don't go further as it can cause the spring to sag or become coil bound.

I'll go measure again and make sure.

Do you think I should make it a little less on the preload..?
As above.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 14, 2010, 02:37:17 pm
Front springs R 1500. Work very well. Ask Ganjora.

money well spent.
even (the difficult to impress) bobnob was delirious when he installed wilbers onto his dakar.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 14, 2010, 04:22:34 pm
even (the difficult to impress) bobnob was delirious when he installed wilbers onto his dakar.

:laughing4:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: wiledog_X on June 14, 2010, 04:34:45 pm

Keep the DR and aquire the right mindset :D

thanks Lecap, i think you're right! also think i need to have a look at the suspension setup - the front is really very soft.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 14, 2010, 07:12:43 pm
Hey Manfred

I still have those screws if you want 'em. I never used them.

Sorry to hear about your troubles with the carby and your little lad. The needle is all you really need there. And the e-clip. Eish. I hope you find that stuff!!

Let me know if you need any help boet.

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 14, 2010, 07:18:00 pm
Thanks for the info re timing Lecap.

It's a pity one can't set the timing. But I suppose the dr's such a simple engine it's not really essential. Just the tinkerer in me ...   O0
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 14, 2010, 08:36:14 pm
Jenks, you can throw those screrws away, they are too small.
The US carbs might use different screws.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 14, 2010, 10:46:35 pm
got a whole bunch of stock DR parts - from the ganjamobile,  going to start flogging it off.
carb,  exhaust,  fuel tank (black),  front brake hose,  stock rear end with the no plate light, bar end weights, 1 rear indicator etc etc etc.
everything in very good nick...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 15, 2010, 06:58:09 am
LOL.  I know.

In the following order:

Bashplate
Fork springs
Rear spring

The rear you rebuild if I remember correctly....

Thats pretty much the route Im going as well Manfred Just cant decide on progressive or straight stiffer springs has anyone experienced both for the front?

I recon these bikes are awesome for an adventure ride I sit comfortably at 110 on the tar and about that on the dirt, it feels like the right bike for me for reliable touring dont care if I fall off it its cheap it goes almost anywhere ...love the simple air cooled old tech mill that if maintained will run a long time.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 15, 2010, 07:13:07 am
Quote

I recon these bikes are awesome for an adventure ride

+1000. I LOVE this bike. I'd feel way more confident out in the sticks on the dr than a fancy Jerry bike with lots of tech and lots to break.

And it motards well in the suburbs. funny thing is I don't really notice the spongy suspension. I probably ride too slow  8)

Hey Ganjora

How much for your old carb?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 15, 2010, 07:15:38 am
Progressive springs Pistonslap.
I was reading that that first bit of compression on the spring, its way more comfortable than std.
You feel the little bumps a lot less, almost like a plush ride, from there, its gets stiffer.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 15, 2010, 07:47:19 am
Progressive springs Pistonslap.
I was reading that that first bit of compression on the spring, its way more comfortable than std.
You feel the little bumps a lot less, almost like a plush ride, from there, its gets stiffer.

The DR650SE OEM springs are progressive too BTW.
They are just a tad too soft all over. But at least not as bad as the KLR forks which have linear springs and are just pathetic.
The DR's front feels very soft but at least you can ride it without bottoming out all the time.

The Wilbers springs lift the front a bit giving the bike more directional stability at high speeds, under hard braking and in sand.

A hard linear rate spring will do the same but will make the forks much harsher. This effect will be VERY noticable. Remember you are going from a progresive spring to a linear one.

The ONLY disadvantage of progressive springs is they match the damping characteristics of the forks less than a linear spring would. A progresively sprung fork will always be a tad overdampened in the negative travel and will lack some damping just before it hits the deck.
Anyway this is - if ever - only an issue on racing bikes hunting for the last 1/100 of a second.
The extra comfort & handling advantages for a DS bike and the capability to cope with varying fuel loads in long range tanks are much more than a valid trade in for this.

got a whole bunch of stock DR parts - from the ganjamobile,  going to start flogging it off.
carb,  exhaust,  fuel tank (black),  front brake hose,  stock rear end with the no plate light, bar end weights, 1 rear indicator etc etc etc.
everything in very good nick...

Throw the brake line away and use the bar ends as paper weights. I can give you a few sets if you need more :evil6:
Tanks I've got two myself ::) A black, pristine 2007 and a silver 2001 with a small ding & scratch.
You're too late with the carb. Shipped a used one in from Europe last year :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 07:55:57 am
brilliant bikes and very strong.
threw mine down HARD on friday,  rushing home to watch the game.
trashed the clutch lever - generic used as a replacement (works perfect - even cut it down for 2 finger only application) R80
pro-taper 'bars are farked - was planning on fatbars for a while anyways
Kykdaar Monster Luggage rack simply needed to be beaten straight
Groenie DirtBagz brackets needed a touch up with hammerite paint
and lost a rear indicator lense - DOCTOR KLR has a replacement,  buy with beer.
had i been on anything else,  i'd be crying all the way to the bank...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 15, 2010, 10:21:59 am
brilliant bikes and very strong.
threw mine down HARD on friday,  rushing home to watch the game.
trashed the clutch lever - generic used as a replacement (works perfect - even cut it down for 2 finger only application) R80
pro-taper 'bars are farked - was planning on fatbars for a while anyways
Kykdaar Monster Luggage rack simply needed to be beaten straight
Groenie DirtBagz brackets needed a touch up with hammerite paint
and lost a rear indicator lense - DOCTOR KLR has a replacement,  buy with beer.
had i been on anything else,  i'd be crying all the way to the bank...


I binned my XR on friday rushing down the spruit to get to the game on friday by the time It spat me off I had shed much of the speed so basically plopped over into the mud :imaposer:

thats why i love them you can enjoy it without too much emotional attachment..ganjora id like to see your springs on saturday Im battling a little with the mushy ride..did you go with the rear spring aswell?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 10:28:43 am
Pistonslap:  not yet on the rear.   have been discussing with lecap,  and it'll be happening soonish.   the fork springs make a big difference - was one of the 1st things i threw at the bike.   I do have the tool to adjust the rear shock.   cranked mine about 1cm more on preload,  and is a bit better than before.   can bring if you want???   easy to do: tank seat side covers off.  airbox out, twist and shout.   max 30mins to do - IF you have to fetch beer for yourself...

speaking of saturday,  anyone going to do valves???   I have feelers and the valve tool,  but pointless to bring if no one is doing them.   valves get done at 100km then every 2nd service: 12,  24,  etc etc
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 10:37:58 am
BST40 Carb R1500onco --- R5899 from Sazook

Standard Exhaust R1000 onco --- R6946 from Sazook

Fuel Tank BLACK R1000 onco --- 1 small ding & scratch



PM if interested.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 15, 2010, 10:52:34 am
got a whole bunch of stock DR parts - from the ganjamobile,  going to start flogging it off.
carb,  exhaust,  fuel tank (black),  front brake hose,  stock rear end with the no plate light, bar end weights, 1 rear indicator etc etc etc.
everything in very good nick...

Do you still have the bar end weights? If so I'll take 'em!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 10:57:32 am
Do you still have the bar end weights? If so I'll take 'em!

I do too.
PM me an offer.
will bring em to tech day.

are you going to do valves on saturday???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: JIMBO on June 15, 2010, 11:20:30 am
This sounds like a DR get together on Saturday.  What is that all about??  I have a DR650 pretty sorted, but can always learn a bit more. 

Thanks.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 12:28:03 pm
This sounds like a DR get together on Saturday.  What is that all about??  I have a DR650 pretty sorted, but can always learn a bit more.  

Thanks.

it's going to be the inaugural WD DR tech day.
the more the merrier!!!
@ DeepBass9's pozzie:  www.dreamlodge.co.za
start time approx 09h00
bring your own beer & meat
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Pistol on June 15, 2010, 01:28:27 pm
How about a gate crash from a GS with beer on the back for moral support :-\ No technical skills to offer :-[
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 01:30:50 pm
How about a gate crash from a GS with beer on the back for moral support :-\ No technical skills to offer :-[

yes,  you are welcome.
you know where DB9's place is/meet in the wild west and booze cruize from there?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 01:31:25 pm
How about a gate crash from a GS with beer on the back for moral support :-\ No technical skills to offer :-[

and if you know anyone else who also wants to bring beer,  they can come too!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Pistol on June 15, 2010, 01:32:34 pm
Great stuff see you there :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 01:36:16 pm
cut 'n paste from DB9's website:

The Dream Lodge is 17km's out of the town of Magaliesburg.  About and hour from both Johannesburg and Pretoria and 30 minutes from Rustenburg.

Take the R509 out of Magaliesburg for 17km's and then the turnoff marked Wind in the Willows. It is 3km from the dirt road to the first cottage.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 15, 2010, 01:38:05 pm
Bit far for me :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 15, 2010, 06:44:53 pm
Hey, do you okes want to meet for a medium paced ride out to DB9's place Sat for the tech day? Maybe somewhere Randburg side??

Let me know if I need to bring any other tools in my top box.



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 08:21:45 pm
Hey, do you okes want to meet for a medium paced ride out to DB9's place Sat for the tech day? Maybe somewhere Randburg side??

Let me know if I need to bring any other tools in my top box.





hey jenks, 
leaving from 4ways/drainfern&westdene at 8ish.
gentle cruize and we can meet at pinehaven sasol at 8:30
quick smoke/fill up and head on through?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 15, 2010, 08:26:23 pm
Hey, do you okes want to meet for a medium paced ride out to DB9's place Sat for the tech day? Maybe somewhere Randburg side??

Let me know if I need to bring any other tools in my top box.


hey jenks, 
leaving from 4ways/drainfern&westdene at 8ish.
gentle cruize and we can meet at pinehaven sasol at 8:30
quick smoke/fill up and head on through?

Ill hook up with you guys at pinehaven 830, thats the one at the bottom of krugersdorp hill where r28 ends?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 15, 2010, 08:28:47 pm
that's the one.
if it's cold bring whisky,  it's medicinal.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 15, 2010, 08:40:31 pm
that's the one.
if it's cold bring whisky,  it's medicinal.

may even have a bit left in me from friday :mwink: See you guys there. Ill bring my tool bag and a note pad to learn from the guries :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 16, 2010, 07:18:36 am
Great Ganjora. See you at 8.30 Sat!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on June 16, 2010, 03:02:06 pm
Hi - seem to have let off the hook and would like to join you guys on Saturday (Pinehaven Sasol 08h30) if that is okay. Is there a take away in Magaliesburg as I don't feel like lugging beers all the way from Midrand? There is nothing I really want to do on my bike but am willing to lend a hand to anyone if needed.

BTW if anyone wants a BBQ/Diamondback rear rack just PM me and it yours if you are prepared to fetch it. Can bring it with on Saturday if need be. I have subsequently bought a Pro Billet Rack and plan to make a simple, bolt on, attachment for touring. If you do not know what a BBQ rack is see the URL below.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136001
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 16, 2010, 03:37:21 pm
lekker Rob_A.
we can stop at the liquor store in magalies - it'll be open at 09h00 when we pass...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 16, 2010, 04:13:12 pm
Hi - seem to have let off the hook and would like to join you guys on Saturday (Pinehaven Sasol 08h30) if that is okay. Is there a take away in Magaliesburg as I don't feel like lugging beers all the way from Midrand? There is nothing I really want to do on my bike but am willing to lend a hand to anyone if needed.

BTW if anyone wants a BBQ/Diamondback rear rack just PM me and it yours if you are prepared to fetch it. Can bring it with on Saturday if need be. I have subsequently bought a Pro Billet Rack and plan to make a simple, bolt on, attachment for touring. If you do not know what a BBQ rack is see the URL below.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136001

PM sent
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 16, 2010, 04:17:55 pm
I took out da snorkel, cleaned the filter, cranked up the rear shock pre load, tidyed up some wiring, cleaned and lubed chain
Getting there slowly...think Ill take a le cap bashplate already pinchdented  my frame crossing a double railway line not too bad but anoying...Le cap how long would I wait for one have you got a stockist in jhb?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 16, 2010, 04:29:42 pm
you won't be sorry with the lecap bashplate.
mine has saved certain showstoppers on 3 occassions so far!
quality etc of the thing is amazing - show you mine on saturday.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 16, 2010, 04:32:40 pm
I took my DR in on Friday to get my clutch looked at. Yesterday it was in pieces, hopefully tomorrow it is put back together again for the tech day. Will a DR200 be acceptable?   :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 16, 2010, 04:34:56 pm
you won't be sorry with the lecap bashplate.
mine has saved certain showstoppers on 3 occassions so far!
quality etc of the thing is amazing - show you mine on saturday.

Cool thanks Ganjora, looking forward to meeting everyone...its gonna be piss cold  ;)  :o
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 16, 2010, 04:43:33 pm


I was at Ranburg motorcycles trying to fit tyres they have an old 90 s dr600 man its sweet I think its more advanced than the new ones long travel suspension bigger tank WTF the 90s where when the they built bikes everything had a dakar look now days its all softcock pizza delivery style why?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 16, 2010, 04:54:45 pm
I was at Ranburg motorcycles trying to fit tyres they have an old 90 s dr600 man its sweet I think its more advanced than the new ones long travel suspension bigger tank WTF the 90s where when the they built bikes everything had a dakar look now days its all softcock pizza delivery style why?

 ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 16, 2010, 05:05:10 pm
I was at Ranburg motorcycles trying to fit tyres they have an old 90 s dr600 man its sweet I think its more advanced than the new ones long travel suspension bigger tank WTF the 90s where when the they built bikes everything had a dakar look now days its all softcock pizza delivery style why?

 ;D

Check it out  :P was like this one and for 20k from the dealer

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=47031.msg933200#msg933200
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Blou Zebu on June 16, 2010, 05:12:28 pm
The headlight is blown. Was supposed to pick up my wife, now she has to take a taxi. Oops!

Anyway can the DR handle anything more than the standard 12V 60-55W?

I think I read somewhere that the wiring is a bit on the light/thin side?

Thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on June 16, 2010, 07:19:33 pm
and if you know anyone else who also wants to bring beer,  they can come too!

I'm in. Does anyone have the hex tool to remove the helmetholder? Please bring with.

Anybody leaving from centurion?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 06:28:26 am
The headlight is blown. Was supposed to pick up my wife, now she has to take a taxi. Oops!

Anyway can the DR handle anything more than the standard 12V 60-55W?

I think I read somewhere that the wiring is a bit on the light/thin side?

Thanks

I have a fairing that takes a 55w H4 bulb Im considering popping that on as it looks neater to me than the std one will the h4 bulb be ok or do you recon Id have to mod it and put the dr bulb in (whatever the dr bulb is havent looked yet)

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 17, 2010, 06:30:36 am
I took my DR in on Friday to get my clutch looked at. Yesterday it was in pieces, hopefully tomorrow it is put back together again for the tech day. Will a DR200 be acceptable?   :P

well,  it's your house we're all coming to...   i suppose you could arrive on foot?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 17, 2010, 07:07:25 am


I was at Ranburg motorcycles trying to fit tyres they have an old 90 s dr600 man its sweet I think its more advanced than the new ones long travel suspension bigger tank WTF the 90s where when the they built bikes everything had a dakar look now days its all softcock pizza delivery style why?



Depends what you mean by 'more advanced'. Zook decided to strip the old dr down and change its focus to dual sport. So they put the bike on a diet and cut 20kgs! That necessitated the changes you've observed.

But I take your point on hardcore good old 90s tourers like the dr600, the tenere , the dr BIG and the africa twin.  The jap manufacturers are still missing the hard core adventure boat, I think. Tough, simple bikes, with big tanks, and a comfy seat. Oh and keep it light too.

Hello Tokyo!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on June 17, 2010, 07:20:45 am

Depends what you mean by 'more advanced'. Zook decided to strip the old dr down and change its focus to dual sport. So they put the bike on a diet and cut 20kgs! That
necessitated the changes you've observed.


The (my) old DR600 is def not as advanced or reliable as the DR650, but it comes in at 140 kg dry, what does a 650 weigh then?

Can I join you guys on Sat if my bike is running by then? My next bike is a DR650, so I want to check out a few farkled ones...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 07:50:59 am


I was at Ranburg motorcycles trying to fit tyres they have an old 90 s dr600 man its sweet I think its more advanced than the new ones long travel suspension bigger tank WTF the 90s where when the they built bikes everything had a dakar look now days its all softcock pizza delivery style why?



Depends what you mean by 'more advanced'. Zook decided to strip the old dr down and change its focus to dual sport. So they put the bike on a diet and cut 20kgs! That necessitated the changes you've observed.

But I take your point on hardcore good old 90s tourers like the dr600, the tenere , the dr BIG and the africa twin.  The jap manufacturers are still missing the hard core adventure boat, I think. Tough, simple bikes, with big tanks, and a comfy seat. Oh and keep it light too.

Hello Tokyo!!!

Yeah I guess, never ridden purely observation :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 17, 2010, 07:56:33 am

Depends what you mean by 'more advanced'. Zook decided to strip the old dr down and change its focus to dual sport. So they put the bike on a diet and cut 20kgs! That
necessitated the changes you've observed.


The (my) old DR600 is def not as advanced or reliable as the DR650, but it comes in at 140 kg dry, what does a 650 weigh then?

Can I join you guys on Sat if my bike is running by then? My next bike is a DR650, so I want to check out a few farkled ones...


Really .... 140kgs?? That's 7 kilos lighter than the dr650! I know for sure that they lightened up the dr on the previous incarnation, which must then have been the rs, not the se. Apologies my error.

Edit: Just checked on the web - the dr600 is listed as 166 wet.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bikez.com%2Fmotorcycles%2Fsuzuki_dr_600_s_1984.php&ei=98MZTJqcPI_80wTw9uGVCQ&usg=AFQjCNGDddlx2lwI1VpYi8dMmn22x3bIQA&sig2=XXu_4_kAx8_4GusF0uz6eQ


Loop, please join  us. I'd love to check out that bike of yours!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 17, 2010, 08:50:36 am
The DR 600 does not have an electric starter.
The DR650 R / RS / RSE were the heavy ones.
As far as I can find they were 163kg (R) 166kg (RS) and 170 kg (RSE)

The DR600  was according to my info almost exactly the same weight as the DR650SE (144kg). 140kg was dry weight no fluids. 144 with oil and 5l of fuel (kerb weight, with oil, coolant if applicable and 5 litres of juice, DR650SE is 147kg) as given by the Japs during the 1990's and until recently.
New norm for bikes now as far as I've heard is rather useless with full tank ???

The SE has an advantage over the earlier 600 / 650 DR's looking at weight due to the lighter engine (SE has only one balancer shaft, 600 and 650 R / RS / RSE have two).

The DR650SE IMHO is the only bike currently sold that kept the spirit of early DS bikes like the XT500. Good value for money, simple to maintain, reliable, easy to ride.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 17, 2010, 08:54:01 am
The DR 600 does not have an electric starter.
The DR650 R / RS / RSE were the heavy ones.
As far as I can find they were 163kg (R) 166kg (RS) and 170 kg (RSE)

The DR600  was according to my info almost exactly the same weight as the DR650SE (144kg). 140kg was dry weight no fluids. 144 with oil and 5l of fuel (kerb weight, with oil, coolant if applicable and 5 litres of juice, DR650SE is 147kg) as given by the Japs during the 1990's and until recently.
New norm for bikes now as far as I've heard is rather useless with full tank ???

The SE has an advantage over the earlier 600 / 650 DR's looking at weight due to the lighter engine (SE has only one balancer shaft, 600 and 650 R / RS / RSE have two).

The DR650SE IMHO is the only bike currently sold that kept the spirit of early DS bikes like the XT500. Good value for money, simple to maintain, reliable, easy to ride.

+1 Lecap on the ds comments. Nice info.
Thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 08:54:10 am
Le cap see you are online, how soon can you get me a bashplate I pinched my frame on a railway line..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 17, 2010, 08:56:55 am
...think Ill take a le cap bashplate already pinchdented  my frame crossing a double railway line not too bad but anoying...Le cap how long would I wait for one have you got a stockist in jhb?

Got stock ready to ship ex. CT.

No shop yet :biggrin: in Jozi
If I courier it today you'll have it tomorrow morning. Postnet +/- R200 not sure as they charge for bulk & weight.
Snail mail is cheaper (insured R80 or so) and takes three days.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 08:57:17 am
The DR 600 does not have an electric starter.
The DR650 R / RS / RSE were the heavy ones.
As far as I can find they were 163kg (R) 166kg (RS) and 170 kg (RSE)

The DR600  was according to my info almost exactly the same weight as the DR650SE (144kg). 140kg was dry weight no fluids. 144 with oil and 5l of fuel (kerb weight, with oil, coolant if applicable and 5 litres of juice, DR650SE is 147kg) as given by the Japs during the 1990's and until recently.
New norm for bikes now as far as I've heard is rather useless with full tank ???

The SE has an advantage over the earlier 600 / 650 DR's looking at weight due to the lighter engine (SE has only one balancer shaft, 600 and 650 R / RS / RSE have two).

The DR650SE IMHO is the only bike currently sold that kept the spirit of early DS bikes like the XT500. Good value for money, simple to maintain, reliable, easy to ride.

Does the DR650SE have a white metal cam bearing or roller like the old XT?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 17, 2010, 08:59:30 am
Lecap

The Ausie Zook page is quoting the dr kerb mass at 166kgs. Are they confused down under??

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/bikes/dual-purpose/dual-purpose/2010/dr650se/specifications.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 09:00:34 am
...think Ill take a le cap bashplate already pinchdented  my frame crossing a double railway line not too bad but anoying...Le cap how long would I wait for one have you got a stockist in jhb?

Got stock ready to ship ex. CT.

No shop yet :biggrin: in Jozi
If I courier it today you'll have it tomorrow morning. Postnet +/- R200 not sure as they charge for bulk & weight.
Snail mail is cheaper (insured R80 or so) and takes three days.

Great details sent pm
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 17, 2010, 09:12:46 am
I could possibly mail the bash plate together with Ganjora's adjustable fatbar riser prototypes and you can split shipping cost.

Does the DR650SE have a white metal cam bearing or roller like the old XT?

Cam rotates in line bore of cylinder head. No bearing. No whitemetal journal. Steel in aluminium, pressure lubricated, just like about every modern car, lasts for 100,000's of kilometres as long as you don't run without oil.

Lecap

The Ausie Zook page is quoting the dr kerb mass at 166kgs. Are they confused down under??

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/bikes/dual-purpose/dual-purpose/2010/dr650se/specifications.html

As said new norms dictate the bikes weight has to be given rather uselessly for comparsions fully fueled and oiled. I still do not get to 166kg for the DR650SE as according to my calculation it should be 147kg + 8l of fuel = 153.4kg. Even if you assume 147kg to be dry you get 150kg with engine oil and 160kg with a full tank. ??? I think the 166kg is a misquote should read 156kg?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 17, 2010, 09:13:48 am
And Mine Lecap..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 17, 2010, 09:20:24 am
I could possibly mail the bash plate together with Ganjora's adjustable fatbar riser prototypes and you can split shipping cost.

Does the DR650SE have a white metal cam bearing or roller like the old XT?




Ganjora? guess the plate is heavier but Im keen if it saves me some rond? else just throw them in with the plate it may not affect it perhaps work out both situations if not too much trouble. Im easy
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 17, 2010, 09:26:42 am
my stuff will probably only be ready mid next week.   if the wait is no issue for you?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 17, 2010, 09:27:35 am
And Mine Lecap..?


Big parcel :D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 18, 2010, 08:05:19 am
...think Ill take a le cap bashplate already pinchdented  my frame crossing a double railway line not too bad but anoying...Le cap how long would I wait for one have you got a stockist in jhb?

Got stock ready to ship ex. CT.

No shop yet :biggrin: in Jozi
If I courier it today you'll have it tomorrow morning. Postnet +/- R200 not sure as they charge for bulk & weight.
Snail mail is cheaper (insured R80 or so) and takes three days.

Great details sent pm


Thanks bash plate arrivesd at 07h45, havent opened it damn got too much work :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 18, 2010, 09:02:29 am
Bit of useless info for the jetting.
edit - Main jet

Mikuni Dynojet Kit

140... 149.3........150

142.5 152.0

145... 154.7........155

147.5 157.3

150... 160...........160

152.5 162.7

155... 165.3.........165

157.5 168.0

160... 170.7.........170

162.5 173.3

165... 176.0.........175

167.5 178.7.........180

170... 181.3

172.5 184.0.........185

175... 186.7

177.5 189.3.........190
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 18, 2010, 09:29:30 am
The first number is the size of the Mikuni jet.
The second number is the actual number for the DJ kit.
Third number is rounded off.

So from what I understand, the std Mikuni, 140 (which is apparently quite rich for std airbox) is equal to the DJ, 150
So basically, you are just replacing the needle with the DJ needle, the main is pretty much the same.

I tried the std setup with snorkel removed.  Midrange was crap, but topend was much better.
Now with the airbox mod, Im wondering if the DJ 150 would be too lean.
Will test this weekend, if it is, will try the DJ 155
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 18, 2010, 09:55:18 am
And for all those guys with time on their hands today.

DR650SE Needle Comparison

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467615&highlight=dj+needle+comparison

Just bear in mind that these comparisons are with the DJ kit and the US spec carb
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 18, 2010, 06:35:19 pm
Just some directions for tomorrow:

From Jhb/Pta: Ride to Magaliesburg on R24. Take left fork in town on R509 to Koster (after picking up beer). Ride 17km, and then take Wind in the Willows turn right. Take next two turns right following the Dream Lodge signs, then follow the road up to the top of the hill. Easy. See you all tomorrow!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 18, 2010, 06:37:00 pm
Just some directions for tomorrow:

From Jhb/Pta: Ride to Magaliesburg on R24. Take left fork in town on R509 to Koster (after picking up beer). Ride 17km, and then take Wind in the Willows turn right. Take next two turns right following the Dream Lodge signs, then follow the road up to the top of the hill. Easy. See you all tomorrow!
:thumleft: thanks.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 18, 2010, 06:57:27 pm
Shot db9 see you tomorrow :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 20, 2010, 04:35:57 am
and so,  we had the 1st 'tech day'.
DB9 put on his bar raisers,  and Pistol topped up his beemer's oil.
then we kicked each other's tyres,  had a beer and a wors roll.
unfortunately Jenks was ill and his NSU screw tool thingy did's make it either - we'll do the job next time dude!
DB9 took us on a detour back to magaliesburg,  where we missed a roadblock,  and lost him and Pistonslap...

evidence...

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1331.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 20, 2010, 06:17:54 pm
I'm sommer the moer in I missed this. Sick as a dog Friday night and Saturday. Sorry okes :(

Looks like it was a good turnout.

BTW - I pulled the 14t today and slapped the 15 back on. Aaaah ... much better :) My mileage was taking a klap. Just below 5l per 100km on the 14. The 15 was giving me around 4,5. The engine feels to me like it's working a lot harder on the 14t than the 15. The bike was too buzzy for my type of riding on the 14t. But I'll keep it for offroading.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 21, 2010, 07:40:07 am
Thanks Db9 for hosting and nice to meet all the okes, lost my rack on the railway lines bounced off :-[ Did anyone see it?
We ended up in Magalies had more beer went home had a family braai with some more beer. :o  ;D
Need to get that gasket my engine was caked in dust was a biatch to clean yesterday morning.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 21, 2010, 07:48:08 am
...lost my rack on the railway lines...

beta testing the new bash plate? ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 21, 2010, 08:04:48 am
...lost my rack on the railway lines...

beta testing the new bash plate? ;D

Absolutely, put it on Saturday early.... just incase >:D



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Pistol on June 21, 2010, 09:05:24 am
A lot of "knowledge" was passed on there!! Thanks DB9 for the venue, always great :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on June 21, 2010, 09:08:58 am
A lot of "knowledge" was passed on there!! Thanks DB9 for the venue, always great :thumleft:

Al kinds of knowledge, some nothing to do with biking!  ;D ;D ;D

Thanks for the day guys, it was a nice outing anyway!    :thumleft:

Thanks for the venue DB9.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 21, 2010, 10:02:23 am
Thanks Db9 for hosting and nice to meet all the okes, lost my rack on the railway lines bounced off :-[ Did anyone see it?
We ended up in Magalies had more beer went home had a family braai with some more beer. :o  ;D
Need to get that gasket my engine was caked in dust was a biatch to clean yesterday morning.

Sorry, I didn't see it on the way back. It must have bounced off into the bush somewhere.

Thanks to all for coming over and offering moral support for fitting my bar raisers, I couldn't have done it without you guys!  :3some:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 22, 2010, 07:39:34 am
Fitted an open pipe yesterday just a can straight through its very farkin loud  :peepwall: will have to see perhaps just a little baffling is needed  :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 23, 2010, 09:12:37 am
Ok sorry okes Im hacking this thread again  :-\

I could live with the mushy suspention if it started at the top and didnt sag out as much, so my question is would a spacer fix this I dont need much so dont want to add the springs and find they too hard I need about a 8% improvement only?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 23, 2010, 09:32:19 am
The DR650SE OEM fork springs are progressive. Adding preload messes up the setup making the forks ill responding & stiff without any real benefits besides less sag.
Remember preloading a spring does not change the spring rate.
If you're unhappy with the springs you will have to get harder progresive ones.
I sell Wilbers which are about 10% stiffer to begin with and have steeper progression than the OEM's too. Unfortunately at the moment only on order.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 23, 2010, 09:36:17 am
The DR650SE OEM fork springs are progressive. Adding preload messes up the setup making the forks ill responding & stiff without any real benefits besides less sag.
Remember preloading a spring does not change the spring rate.
If you're unhappy with the springs you will have to get harder progresive ones.
I sell Wilbers which are about 10% stiffer to begin with and have steeper progression than the OEM's too. Unfortunately at the moment only on order.

Thanks, how much? and how long for order etc
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 23, 2010, 09:47:09 am
R 1580 delivered to you and I still need a few more orders.
Once ordered it's about three weeks to your doorstep.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 23, 2010, 01:45:52 pm
Nice knowledge sharing session..good to see the numbers.

Bad weather = workshop time, now with     BOOM   

" 'n lekker pyp " ...thanks Reynard at Scorch for the professional  fitting, and the time to transfer the heat shield.

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_06_19_00002_1-1.jpg)

Making music.

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj26/Beserker_bucket/2010_06_19_00001_1-1.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 23, 2010, 03:41:32 pm
Check what arrived today! yeea haw  :P


(http://www.vincestrangmotorcycles.com.au/images/products/plastic/large/tank3.jpg)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 23, 2010, 03:47:38 pm
Check what arrived today! yeea haw  :P


(http://www.vincestrangmotorcycles.com.au/images/products/plastic/large/tank3.jpg)




Compare fitting this one to fitting the Safari 30l..you cry thrice about the Safari, when fitting, when filling up, when handling the bike on a tight trail. This one is THE one imho.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 23, 2010, 06:43:23 pm
Agreed, like the look of the acerbis just didnt feel like making mods to get it to fit
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 23, 2010, 07:01:14 pm
going to use the IMS petcock or open the tank and use the stock petcock?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 24, 2010, 06:05:36 am
going to use the IMS petcock or open the tank and use the stock petcock?


Will still have a squizz the ims one looks like shite so will probably make a plan..do the bolts line up on the OEM Ive been so busy with work havent had a gap yet :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 24, 2010, 06:22:03 am
R 1580 delivered to you and I still need a few more orders.
Once ordered it's about three weeks to your doorstep.

Thanks Le cap, will ride for a while and see the stock setup is not bad just trying to get used to it.

Is riding on the rear wheel for extended periods of time bad for dr? is the oil pickup positioned ok or can it run dry.... :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 24, 2010, 07:21:12 am
going to use the IMS petcock or open the tank and use the stock petcock?


Will still have a squizz the ims one looks like shite so will probably make a plan..do the bolts line up on the OEM Ive been so busy with work havent had a gap yet :-\


lines up perfectly,  just have to ovepn the hole in the IMS a little to fit.
plent how to's on ADV & TT
piece of cake.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 24, 2010, 12:20:32 pm
Fitted, havent tested it yet ;D

now need to sort out that headlight config with something more tasteful


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 24, 2010, 12:38:04 pm
looks good.
if you're going to lose the front plastic,  1st dibs?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on June 24, 2010, 01:33:15 pm
R 1580 delivered to you and I still need a few more orders.
Once ordered it's about three weeks to your doorstep.

Thanks Le cap, will ride for a while and see the stock setup is not bad just trying to get used to it.

Is riding on the rear wheel for extended periods of time bad for dr? is the oil pickup positioned ok or can it run dry.... :)

LeCap, do you know where to source fork seals for my '91 DR? Suzuki has no stock (globally that is). Is there an aftermarket alternative? The seals are currently fine, but they won't last forever, so I may as well replace them now when I put in the new fork springs. Thanks if you can help!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 25, 2010, 06:03:42 am


http://www.youtube.com/v/gyzXht1EhuY



 :peepwall:



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 25, 2010, 08:43:50 am
Can I have the OEM headlight mask once you replace it, Pistonslap?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 25, 2010, 08:45:47 am
looks good.
if you're going to lose the front plastic,  1st dibs?

Can I have the OEM headlight mask once you replace it, Pistonslap?

OI!!!
don't you understand '1st dibs'?

on a happier note,  I'll take lots of piccies of the new goodies.
thanks J
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 25, 2010, 09:10:45 am
Sorry, did not read :D

You've got the parcel?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 25, 2010, 09:11:27 am
Guys I am hanging onto the stuff so I can put it back if I sell the bike later, one never recoups on farkles so I always sell them separately....bash plate included   :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 25, 2010, 09:29:04 am
Okes I had a tip over a few days ago and cracked my rear left flicker housing  :dousing:

So I decided install small dual sport LED replacements. About a five gram weight saving  :deal:

But I'm a dunce with electrics and I can't get the flashes to all work. Any advice??

Thanks!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 25, 2010, 11:27:50 am
got a spare rear flicker if you want...

R800!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from sazook
R200 for you.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on June 25, 2010, 11:43:32 am
got a spare rear flicker if you want...

R800!!!!!!!!!!!!!! from sazook
R200 for you.

Eish, is a baaaagêêêênnnn!!
I thought the salesman was being funny when I asked for a Soozi part... I ended up buying 2 Yamaha DT flickers, they must have been pirates as they only cost R60 each. Large as hell though, but that kept guys from coming too close (blinding flicker you know?)

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 25, 2010, 12:22:10 pm
Sorry, did not read :D

You've got the parcel?

thanks lecap,  got the parcel.
beautifull stuff.
thanks again,  it's always an absolute pleasure dealing with you!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 25, 2010, 07:01:52 pm
Thanks Ganj

But I've bought the flickers already and I'm fugging determined to make em work!

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 26, 2010, 07:18:29 pm
Did my first real ride today on the Suzuki.. 260km mixed dirt and tar and Im actually very happy with it, just need 8% firmer on the front suspension the dr stock is awesome the suspension does exactly what it should, it just a tad soft but as a ds bike for trips its perfect..very chuffed

I have wound up the pre on the rear so it sags 10% of travel when I sit on it and it works great although there wasnt much left before going over spec and Im only 80kgs :o

The biggest single improvement so far for me has been bars and raisers.

Im going to add a 80mm preload spacer up front and service with new oil and see, if its not better will order springs but as a last resort.

I think Ill try a tooth smaller on the front sprock as I dont often go above 120km/h and It could use a bit more blip and Ill try the drilled hole mod to increase the throttle response..its not bad but could be better if I was gonna nit pick.
Also need to tweak jetting after openig airbox and low pressure exhaust so that Ill do next

Mate of mine came down hard on this ride 90km/h + his front wheel got caught in a rut and he landed on his head :o...I am so glad he was not injured just tore the muscles in his leg, I thought it was a serious one...phew, was riding a DRZ 400 bike was fine couple of scuffs but nothing serious...put a 990/1200gs down at 90 and see what you are in for :deal: he was wearing a scarf my wife gave him this morn as it was piss cold..recon that could have saved his bacon as it was like a leat brace of sort.

Just real glad hes ok :o

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/dr123.jpg)

enjoying the T63 again after d606 on my Xr its my fav tyre just does not wear well on the honda but I suspect it will do better on the suzuki

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/dr124.jpg)

As a whole Im very very happy with DR 650 SE I think as a low budget ds bike its hard to beat




Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 26, 2010, 07:21:50 pm
You've summed it up pistonslap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on June 26, 2010, 07:28:13 pm
i was also amazed by the stock DR suspension.   soft,  we all know,  but not that bad actually.
detail your findings wrt the spacers etc Pistonslap.
who's going to be the first to 'martin paetzold' their rear suspension?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 26, 2010, 07:34:56 pm
Lekker bikes! an aigh! who said a dr cant hooligan  ;D ;D



(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/img1.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 26, 2010, 07:43:50 pm
You've summed it up pistonslap.

Hows those led flicks coming along jenks got them working?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 26, 2010, 07:45:26 pm
i was also amazed by the stock DR suspension.   soft,  we all know,  but not that bad actually.
detail your findings wrt the spacers etc Pistonslap.
who's going to be the first to 'martin paetzold' their rear suspension?

will do gonna get my pops friend to turn some spacers,
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 26, 2010, 07:59:44 pm
Pistonslap

Nope. Gave up and bought conventional triangular bulb units which look uber cool, btw. Really suit the bike!! I'll try post some arty pics  :deal:

Fugging love that wheely shot of yours, btw. That's a keeper. Can you mail it to me??

Cheers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 26, 2010, 08:09:32 pm
Pistonslap

Nope. Gave up and bought conventional triangular bulb units which look uber cool, btw. Really suit the bike!! I'll try post some arty pics  :deal:

Fugging love that wheely shot of yours, btw. That's a keeper. Can you mail it to me??

Cheers

Oh well, I had runner fit some once and it needs some extra electronics? triangled one sound neat as well

Sure although cheated, its a screen grab from a movie clip, thats sandton drive on friday arvie on route to the soccer had a flag in my pants   ;D

cant load the clip as I almost roosted my data cap this month :-\


(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/img2.jpg)



Just having fun, dr actually wheelies nicely just worried about a cam running dry or something  :deal:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 27, 2010, 02:10:20 pm
Here's the flicker set-up. Suits the leaner tail end, I think. Now the rider must shed a few kilos too :/

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/dr650se%20farkling/saturateddr.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on June 27, 2010, 02:35:39 pm
i was also amazed by the stock DR suspension.   soft,  we all know,  but not that bad actually.
detail your findings wrt the spacers etc Pistonslap.
who's going to be the first to 'martin paetzold' their rear suspension?

Spacers in the front will not help at all:
You compress the soft part of the progressive (OEM!) spring to block and ride on the harder part of the spring.
All you achieve is a marginal gain in ground clearance at the expense of comfort & traction.
The spring stays as soft as it is.

The rear has been measured, disassembled and tested extensively by me and Martin.
For riders at least up to my size (90kg) the OEM spring is fine as long as you dial the preload in correctly.
Only BIG guys or people doing biiiiig jumps should get a stiffer spring and a revalved damper.
The harder spring & damper cost you traction and comfort unless you're really fat enough to justify it.

You should not get the harder rear spring before fitting stiffer springs in the front.

As opposed to the KLR650 the suspension modifications on the DR are not a must (unles you're fat).
It's good to have stiffer fork springs but the bike rides fine and safely with OEM springs.
The rear shock is of surprisingly high quality if set into relation to the DR's price and to the simple emulsion shock used in the KLR.

All the comments about 13 lbs/cm fork springs and 170 lbs/cm shock springs on the US websites have to be seen in relation with the average pizza & burger fed 300 lbs yankee rider ::)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blauth on June 27, 2010, 03:14:07 pm
I rode PistonSlap's DR yesterday. Wow, what a cool bike. It pulls nice and is really easy to ride in the dirt because it seams really well balanced. First time I rode his bike and I did the best wheelie I have ever done on a bike. It's a really cool bike Chris!!! Seriously underrated.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 28, 2010, 07:27:07 am
yeah. It's such an easy bike to ride. And it has personality!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 28, 2010, 07:32:46 am
Greetings all

Managed to get the jetting done this weekend. (DJ kit)
Gets to 130 quite easily.  I find myself trying to keep it at 120 (my usual travelling speed).
Pushed it to 160, but it wasnt conmfortable.
At least I know it can do it.

I tried the 150 main, but it was worse than the std Mikuni 140.

My settings are 3rd clip on needle.  155 main.
Extended fuel screw, 1 1/8 turns out

Will now start playing around with the needle, maybe change it to 3.5 on the needle.

But all in all, goes very well.  Makes the travelling at 120 a breeze
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on June 28, 2010, 10:15:23 am
yeah. It's such an easy bike to ride. And it has personality!

+1 The more I ride the DR the more I love it.  Me and a buddy did ±600 km's on Saturday up north of Brits.  About 50/50 tar/dirt.  On the tar we pushed it and on the section between Beestekraal and Thabazimbi (108km) I kept the needle at 140km/h all the way.  The DR seems to love that speed but the fuel consumption not.  ;D I carried an extra 5lt fuel but never used it though.

On the dirt there were loooong straight stretches and 100km/h was easily done.  For me the normal suspension setup works 100%.

I had the pillion AirHawk on and it did a splendid job, my butt could handle another 600km!

I was most impressed with how easy it is to ride the DR.  After the 600km I still felt fresh, ready for more.  I had very little fatigue compared with what I had with the XT660R over 600km tar only.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Beserker on June 28, 2010, 10:36:09 am
  I had very little fatigue compared with what I had with the XT660R over 600km tar only.

Tar does it to me as well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: JIMBO on June 28, 2010, 01:13:54 pm
I also think the world of my DR650, but would like to experiment with the high speed fuel consumption. 

Has any member of this thread found a source in South Africa for a 16 tooth counter sprocket???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 28, 2010, 08:08:14 pm
Hey Manfred

So you found the 155 main better, hey. Tell me more! And explain the 3,5 clip position. Me no understand the ,5 part  O0

BTW- did you open the airbox??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 28, 2010, 08:30:29 pm
Very lekker pic Lourens. Dig that windshield.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on June 28, 2010, 09:28:15 pm

 And explain the 3,5 clip position. Me no understand the ,5 part  O0

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Use a washer for the .5 bit. (Put the clip in the third groove + a washer to lift it to the height in between)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 06:42:25 am
As Hagar said Jenks.
It raises the needle a half position (I you cfan call it that.)
The thickness of the washer is half of what it would be moving to the next clip position

Was testing the bike on the way home yesterday.
Was travelling in 5th, testing the needle, about half throttle.
Was rolling on, then rolling off.
The bike started jerking, like it was running out of petrol.
I started losing power, opened the throttle and it backfired before I came to a stop.
Started the bike again and rode off, no problem.
Further up the road, same thing, half throttle.

Do you guys think that clip in third is too rich for my bike..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 06:47:01 am
Oh yes Jenks, I did open the airbox.

Its damn loud, but I have earplugs.    ;D

Sounds great when gunning it though :headbang:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 29, 2010, 06:54:55 am
As Hagar said Jenks.
It raises the needle a half position (I you cfan call it that.)
The thickness of the washer is half of what it would be moving to the next clip position

Was testing the bike on the way home yesterday.
Was travelling in 5th, testing the needle, about half throttle.
Was rolling on, then rolling off.
The bike started jerking, like it was running out of petrol.
I started losing power, opened the throttle and it backfired before I came to a stop.
Started the bike again and rode off, no problem.
Further up the road, same thing, half throttle.

Do you guys think that clip in third is too rich for my bike..?

Hey Manfred, does it backfire when you tap off? do you have an open pipe?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 07:28:54 am
Standard pipe Pistonslap.

I think it is just too rich.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 07:53:00 am
Ja does sound too rich. Does the budget allow for a pipe?? That should sort your issues  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 07:59:19 am
Naaaaa, budget shot to scheit after the bashplate.

What is the going rate for a pipe nowadays, R1500..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 08:01:42 am
Ja about that, maybe a little more. Just joking though. Drop the needle to second clip and see what happens??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 08:03:37 am
Just thinking, the stage 2 conversion on the dynojet requires an open pipe, if I remember correctly, boet.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 08:06:27 am
This is from the DJ kit:

NOTE:
On 1996-2010 models use DJ160 with the stock exhaust and DJ170 with
a high flow aftermarket exhaust.

I think the DJ kit is for sea level

Im using a 155
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 08:19:32 am
OK. Those settings are way rich - definitely for sea level.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 08:22:57 am
Yup, will have to try 2nd position, maybe 2.5

What about using the OEM needle.
We can adjust ours, the US needles are fixed.
They have to use washers to adjust.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 08:39:45 am
Could do (the stock needle). That'll definitely sort your rich issues in the mid-high end. Try the second or even first clip on the dj and see what effect that has, I'd say. A big adjustment will be easier to track than small fine tuning at this stage.

And then start saving for the pipe!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 09:11:02 am
Might even be the 155 thats causing the problems.

Its the fine tuning that takes the longest.
I will get there.

I would love the GSXR exhaust, but the guys are ridiculous with their prices.
Its a pipe sitting in the garage somewhere, but as soon as someone wants to buy it, they want more than an aftermarket pipe costs.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 29, 2010, 09:44:35 am
Naaaaa, budget shot to scheit after the bashplate.

What is the going rate for a pipe nowadays, R1500..?


I had one made up for R1500, else talk to Rob he mentioned he had one on the tech day he wasnt using perhaps he would like to sell it?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 09:46:00 am
Which Rob Pistonslap..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on June 29, 2010, 09:49:08 am
Rob_A a couple of posts up, gave me a rack which Im so pissed off I lost :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 02:44:11 pm
Guy, I bought a gsxr pipe about two years ago from the Bike Hospital. 500 bucks. Go check them out in Jozi cbd. I sold that pipe with my old dr. Oke got a bargain.  >:(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on June 29, 2010, 02:45:56 pm
More like R1300 now Jenks.  Because of the the titanium an all you know
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on June 29, 2010, 04:53:17 pm
hahahaha

Eish the titanium. Wish nobody had told them about the fugging titanium  :eek7:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 11:09:24 am
Ok the standard fender is not good in the sticky (cowturd blend) mud it gets weighted down and wobbles like a rather big dildo and looks kark so I tried the ktm fender which looks trick :P...always wanted a ktm even If i can only afford the fender :ricky: (joke KTM is kark but there fenders are good  :lamer:

So far ..
bars, raisers, hand gaurds
fixed oil leak with new gasket
ims long range tank
Pipe
tyres
rear suspension pre load
Grippa seat going on today
trick front mudgaurd (sorry ktm oens ;))
Le cap plate..very happy with this one it covers the linkage and Ive already dentented it :thumleft:

Still to do
front suspension
Jetting(ordered jets will play on the weekend)
mod fairing mabe
Billet rack from pc


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 01, 2010, 12:54:54 pm
Very lekker fender. Was it a pita to fit?? Did you paint it, and if so, what type of paint??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 01, 2010, 01:03:08 pm
Looking very good!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 01:13:18 pm
Very lekker fender. Was it a pita to fit?? Did you paint it, and if so, what type of paint??

Jenks thanks for the heads up, its white or orange from pro action the front holes line up the rear you will have to drill took 10 minutes to fit..
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 01:16:21 pm
Looking very good!

Thanks DB9, when we riding in Magaliesburg again? I did a ride up to some rock pools up in the mountains on mtb a few years ago do you know the route there?or where they are?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 01, 2010, 01:24:42 pm
Looking very good!

Thanks DB9, when we riding in Magaliesburg again? I did a ride up to some rock pools up in the mountains on mtb a few years ago do you know the route there?or where they are?

sounds like mountain sanctuary.
on the 'other' side of breedts nek
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 01, 2010, 01:27:03 pm
Thanks! Cost??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 01:29:31 pm
Bought a bunch of shite think it was just over R300.00 odd
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 01:31:42 pm
Looking very good!

Thanks DB9, when we riding in Magaliesburg again? I did a ride up to some rock pools up in the mountains on mtb a few years ago do you know the route there?or where they are?

sounds like mountain sanctuary.
on the 'other' side of breedts nek

Santuary? Damn, was awsome could drink the water.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 01, 2010, 01:38:02 pm
Looking very good!

Thanks DB9, when we riding in Magaliesburg again? I did a ride up to some rock pools up in the mountains on mtb a few years ago do you know the route there?or where they are?

sounds like mountain sanctuary.
on the 'other' side of breedts nek

Santuary? Damn, was awsome could drink the water.

it's a private nature reserve.
2 sets of pools on the 2 rivers.
can still drink the water.
they are bike friendly - just don't ride around.   ie arrive on a bike is cool - don't ride it there,  but lots of roads around there anyway.

http://www.mountain-sanctuary.co.za/
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 01, 2010, 01:40:18 pm
when are we going to havea real tech day,  and do the NSU screws?
can even do my place - after having checked you guys out at DB9's, you will be allowed at my place... 4ways area.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 01, 2010, 01:56:57 pm
I'm still keen, despite sconning last time. Post a date and we'll fit in.

That little wrench of mine would fit into a space of around 25mm. Do you think it's small enough to fit underneath the basket and onto those screw heads?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 02:03:07 pm
when are we going to havea real tech day,  and do the NSU screws?
can even do my place - after having checked you guys out at DB9's, you will be allowed at my place... 4ways area.

Sounds good, Im in will bring beer
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 01, 2010, 02:14:45 pm
a saturday morning then?
this one or next one,  makes no difference to me...

Jenks: ask Lucas on ADV rider if it'll be enough,  he knows everything DR.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 01, 2010, 03:45:48 pm
when are we going to havea real tech day,  and do the NSU screws?
can even do my place - after having checked you guys out at DB9's, you will be allowed at my place... 4ways area.

Sounds good, Im in will bring beer

Bringing beer will ensure that no spanners will be used except to remove bottle tops.......
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 01, 2010, 03:55:58 pm
Lecap - do you know what the gap is between the inside edge of the clutch basket and the top if the NSU screw heads?

We want to loctite them screws! I have a little mini driver wrench, which should squeeze into a 25mm gap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on July 01, 2010, 04:56:52 pm
when are we going to havea real tech day,  and do the NSU screws?
can even do my place - after having checked you guys out at DB9's, you will be allowed at my place... 4ways area.

They will love your workbench! :imaposer: And safety equipment! :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 07:24:01 pm
Im busy with an order from procycle does anyone want to do a bulk order and chip in for shipping? if not its cool will just order anyway pm me
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 01, 2010, 08:29:12 pm
I rode PistonSlap's DR yesterday. Wow, what a cool bike. It pulls nice and is really easy to ride in the dirt because it seams really well balanced. First time I rode his bike and I did the best wheelie I have ever done on a bike. It's a really cool bike Chris!!! Seriously underrated.

Never seen you wheelie like that dude....lessons please :deal: !! keep that Honda 650L for the single track, youll miss it ;D just a low stress ride bike
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 02, 2010, 08:28:02 am
Lecap - do you know what the gap is between the inside edge of the clutch basket and the top if the NSU screw heads?

We want to loctite them screws! I have a little mini driver wrench, which should squeeze into a 25mm gap.

Never bothered with the NSU screws. Never had issues. Looks to me as if the screws coming loose is rather a freak occurence.

But while you're at it. This one is rarely mentioned:
OEM carb: Turn the air screw in until it seats to check for the setting, then remove the air screw from the carb, grease the thread (make sure you grease ONLY the thread and don't gunk up hte air screw taper) and put it back. If left unattended the air screws tend to seize and become near impossible to remove or adjust.
Also remove the whole idle speed adjustment screw from the carb body, grease and refit. Do NOT apply force if the idle speed adjustment screw does not want to turn after undoing the counternut. The whole attachment holding it will break out of the carburettor housing damaging the housing beyond repair. :o

BTW: Do we need more Wilbers fork springs? I'm in the process of organising another shipment.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 02, 2010, 09:07:04 am
OK have two orders to add to anyone else, come on guys there must be loads of farkles you could add to your bike :mwink:

Probably going to order this afternoon or Tommorow


http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on July 02, 2010, 09:25:39 am
OK have two orders to add to anyone else, come on guys there must be loads of farkles you could add to your bike :mwink:

Probably going to order this afternoon or Tommorow


http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html

Yes there are loads of farkles I want but not loads of money to pay for it!  ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 02, 2010, 01:00:02 pm
OK have two orders to add to anyone else, come on guys there must be loads of farkles you could add to your bike :mwink:

Probably going to order this afternoon or Tommorow


http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html

Ok guys, will order on Monday already got quite a few from you guys.
Please include your number on the pm and I work it all out and sort it out Monday morn
Chris
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 01:11:11 pm
Lead me not into temptation, Pistonslap!

I'd love to order some more kit - but the bank is bust.

Thanks for the advice on the carb Lecap. I'm still gonna do those NCU screws - just for peace of mind.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on July 02, 2010, 01:57:24 pm
Hi Le Cap and DR650 Fans!

Le Cap I have a question for you. I see CIT is advertising the DR650 for R50K, while Suzuki dealers is still selling for closer to R70K. Will you know if this is the very same bike...or sub standard? That is what one oke tries to sell me now, he says CIT's bikes are sub standard, not all to speck etc...that cant be true?  I am currently on XR600R, very nice bike but want something in the same class but new, and I think I cant do any better than the DR650. Always liked this bike. Currently working abroad but will be back in 2 months time, the XR will be up for sale and the for the DR!

Have a good weekend!
Tvb
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 02:18:02 pm
Howzit

If I can steal lecap's thunder ... they're all basically the same bike. No major changes since '96. The metal base gasket was introduced in 2003 to solve some oil leaking issues. The third gear has apparently been replaced with a new version post 2008. But these are not major issues. The bike is essentially uniform and unchanged since 96.

Just a note. The Ausie version bikes, which we get here have some minor differences to the US. One is the sweet little triangular tail light and the other is the carb needle which is adjustable in the Ausie bike and not adjustable in the US bike. I have a grey US import. That's why I know :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 02, 2010, 02:37:46 pm
OK have two orders to add to anyone else, come on guys there must be loads of farkles you could add to your bike :mwink:

Probably going to order this afternoon or Tommorow


http://www.procycle.us/bikepages/dr650.html

Ok guys, will order on Monday already got quite a few from you guys.
Please include your number on the pm and I work it all out and sort it out Monday morn
Chris


Hmmm, maybe I could do with a big bore kit!!  :peepwall:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on July 02, 2010, 05:43:33 pm
Thanks Jenks, thats what he mentioned...''grey import''

Gr8 to know its the same bike, so parts will not be a problem at all! I am really looking forward, although still another 2 months! Hope the have stock at the same price in September!

Cheers  :thumleft:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 06:57:31 pm
TVB - definitely consider second hand. My bike is an 07. It had a genuine 100kms on the clock (I did the checks) and I paid 43K. You could find a similar bargain if you look around. More than 50K for this bike is too much, IMO.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2010, 07:16:23 pm
TVB - definitely consider second hand. My bike is an 07. It had a genuine 100kms on the clock (I did the checks) and I paid 43K. You could find a similar bargain if you look around. More than 50K for this bike is too much, IMO.

AAaaarrrrgggghhhhh!!!!!
at the peak of the price rise i paid 67k - 1 year ago...
i couldn't sell...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2010, 07:16:54 pm
thank god i'm in love with the bike!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on July 02, 2010, 07:26:24 pm
Paid R51k at the end of 2008 - think I got the last bike at that price. Oh yes and an IMS tank thrown in.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 07:26:49 pm
Ganj - you get better value out of your bike than most of us do. So 67 was actually a bargain for you!  :deal:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2010, 07:33:50 pm
anyone free for an impromptu swannibraai brekkie on top of the rock?
got a swanni in the week,  and it works like a bomb!

110km northish
leaving 4ways 8ish,  return 11ish.
S25 37.526 E27 56.840

anyone keen?
through the watertower side of dewildt,
then to the rock!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 07:44:24 pm
I'm keen - maybe next weekend, Ganjora??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 02, 2010, 07:48:47 pm
maybe we go to the moon next week,
tomorrow i go the rock!

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 02, 2010, 07:52:30 pm
To the moon on the dr?? Good bike - but I think that may be a stretch :)

I'd like to do some proper offroading sometime with you old, experienced dogs!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on July 03, 2010, 03:59:53 am
Will definately consider secondhand, first need to get rid of the XR600R. Still in good nick but has a oil leak at the taper cover (some gasketmaker), need a carb clean and a service. Cant sell while I'm out of Country, will sort the bike out first week on leave and try to sell, maybe advertise in advance. The wife wount be happy if I dig into the savings without selling the old bike first!

Glad to see a lot of you are from Gauteng, I'm in Brits, not to far from De wildt.

Will keep an eye on this thread!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on July 03, 2010, 09:56:55 am
Ganj - you get better value out of your bike than most of us do. So 67 was actually a bargain for you!  :deal:

Correct Jenks. The DR is still a bargain at 67k. Pretty much like good beer - a bargain at any price.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blauth on July 03, 2010, 07:59:39 pm
Will definately consider secondhand, first need to get rid of the XR600R. Still in good nick but has a oil leak at the taper cover (some gasketmaker), need a carb clean and a service. Cant sell while I'm out of Country, will sort the bike out first week on leave and try to sell, maybe advertise in advance. The wife wount be happy if I dig into the savings without selling the old bike first!

Glad to see a lot of you are from Gauteng, I'm in Brits, not to far from De wildt.

Will keep an eye on this thread!

Keep the XR!!! No point in downgrading. :pot:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 03, 2010, 08:04:01 pm
Jislaaik that's just rude and hurtful :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: blauth on July 03, 2010, 08:26:54 pm
Jislaaik that's just rude and hurtful :)

Not the feisty response I expected. I though you would come out with the gloves off. ;)

I think the DR and XR are great!!!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 04, 2010, 06:42:00 am
The DR is still a bargain at 67k. Pretty much like good beer - a bargain at any price.

did someone say beer?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 04, 2010, 04:24:03 pm
Will definately consider secondhand, first need to get rid of the XR600R. Still in good nick but has a oil leak at the taper cover (some gasketmaker), need a carb clean and a service. Cant sell while I'm out of Country, will sort the bike out first week on leave and try to sell, maybe advertise in advance. The wife wount be happy if I dig into the savings without selling the old bike first!

Glad to see a lot of you are from Gauteng, I'm in Brits, not to far from De wildt.

Will keep an eye on this thread!

Keep the XR!!! No point in downgrading. :pot:

Jokes aside why sel the XR is it tired? they are awsome bikes
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 05, 2010, 07:09:43 am
Im busy with an order from procycle does anyone want to do a bulk order and chip in for shipping? if not its cool will just order anyway pm me

order on its way :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 05, 2010, 07:38:58 am
Jislaaik that's just rude and hurtful :)

Not the feisty response I expected. I though you would come out with the gloves off. ;)

I think the DR and XR are great!!!

Hahaha yeah. I like that xr and the old yammy aircooled 650s as well. Wish they kept those lekker simple old bikes. Perfect for our conditions, I think. Sometimes progress is not!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 06, 2010, 12:41:14 pm
Ok whoops on the stock springs is not a good idea...2x seals popped ???... ordered a new set from suki as well as flywheel bolt cover will replace seals when the eibagh's arrive :-[

Glad the oil is so clean.

Anyone want to sell their 14t sprocket?



Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on July 06, 2010, 01:40:33 pm
Will definately consider secondhand, first need to get rid of the XR600R. Still in good nick but has a oil leak at the taper cover (some gasketmaker), need a carb clean and a service. Cant sell while I'm out of Country, will sort the bike out first week on leave and try to sell, maybe advertise in advance. The wife wount be happy if I dig into the savings without selling the old bike first!

Glad to see a lot of you are from Gauteng, I'm in Brits, not to far from De wildt.

Will keep an eye on this thread!

Keep the XR!!! No point in downgrading. :pot:

Jokes aside why sel the XR is it tired? they are awsome bikes

No the XR is not really tired, not using oil, have a lot of compression. I am just not really technical minded and after my bike had a ‘sickening’ experience at a ‘so called mechanic’ (Ask to do valve clearance, timing etc – now bike is backfiring, and you need to kick your ass of to fire her up where previously only 1 or 2 kicks needed – carb settings also out and oil leaking from the tappet cover)

Nothing big, this happened after a little piece of metal came loose from the timing chain guide and into the combustion chamber.  The spark plug gab was closed up by this; preventing excessive damage. The head went for engineering, and the local mechanic (in Brits) had tot put everything together. Needless to say, he was obviously not fit to do the job and I definitely don’t want to take the bike back to him!

I have decided to take the bike to ‘Runner’s shop in Pta; ‘’Off road cycles’’. Only one I trust to work from now on on my bike! I wanted to sell and buy a DR650 just because it’s newer and will probably be more reliable in the long run..? However, I assume that when she’s back from Runner I wouldn’t want to sell any more!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 06, 2010, 01:42:36 pm
how much for the seals Pistonslap?

magneto plug is R80.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 06, 2010, 05:34:24 pm
Will definately consider secondhand, first need to get rid of the XR600R. Still in good nick but has a oil leak at the taper cover (some gasketmaker), need a carb clean and a service. Cant sell while I'm out of Country, will sort the bike out first week on leave and try to sell, maybe advertise in advance. The wife wount be happy if I dig into the savings without selling the old bike first!

Glad to see a lot of you are from Gauteng, I'm in Brits, not to far from De wildt.

Will keep an eye on this thread!



Keep the XR!!! No point in downgrading. :pot:

Jokes aside why sel the XR is it tired? they are awsome bikes

No the XR is not really tired, not using oil, have a lot of compression. I am just not really technical minded and after my bike had a ‘sickening’ experience at a ‘so called mechanic’ (Ask to do valve clearance, timing etc – now bike is backfiring, and you need to kick your ass of to fire her up where previously only 1 or 2 kicks needed – carb settings also out and oil leaking from the tappet cover)

Nothing big, this happened after a little piece of metal came loose from the timing chain guide and into the combustion chamber.  The spark plug gab was closed up by this; preventing excessive damage. The head went for engineering, and the local mechanic (in Brits) had tot put everything together. Needless to say, he was obviously not fit to do the job and I definitely don’t want to take the bike back to him!

I have decided to take the bike to ‘Runner’s shop in Pta; ‘’Off road cycles’’. Only one I trust to work from now on on my bike! I wanted to sell and buy a DR650 just because it’s newer and will probably be more reliable in the long run..? However, I assume that when she’s back from Runner I wouldn’t want to sell any more!



TVB Im no expert but I think once you get it back you wont need the DR those XR'S are indestructible and perform the same or better than the DR650 got to tweak suspension as with most bikes but they are really neat If I found a clean one at a good price I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 06, 2010, 05:37:47 pm
how much for the seals Pistonslap?

magneto plug is R80.

Not sure will know tommorow :P

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 06, 2010, 05:42:47 pm
Jislaaik that's just rude and hurtful :)

Not the feisty response I expected. I though you would come out with the gloves off. ;)

I think the DR and XR are great!!!

Hahaha yeah. I like that xr and the old yammy aircooled 650s as well. Wish they kept those lekker simple old bikes. Perfect for our conditions, I think. Sometimes progress is not!

Ja, for sure, my DL has left me stranded with an error on the engine management thingymabob. Wish I'd decided to ride my DR this morning!  :'(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 07, 2010, 04:50:36 am
Thanks for shopping with Procycle!

Your order has been shipped to you on 07/06/2010 via USPS Express Mail International.
 :thumleft:



Will let the guys that ordered know when it arrives, I estimate about 10 days from now..  :ricky:

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 09, 2010, 08:23:21 pm
how much for the seals Pistonslap?

magneto plug is R80.


From Suki

Fork Seals R120 for two
Magneto plug R60
Exhaust gasket R51
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 10, 2010, 05:33:50 am
how much for the seals Pistonslap?

magneto plug is R80.


From Suki

Fork Seals R120 for two
Magneto plug R60
Exhaust gasket R51


i budgeted for a beer on the way home...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 10, 2010, 07:07:50 pm
how much for the seals Pistonslap?

magneto plug is R80.


From Suki

Fork Seals R120 for two
Magneto plug R60
Exhaust gasket R51


i budgeted for a beer on the way home...

seen you drink beer theres no way you budgeted for beer :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 11, 2010, 01:59:30 pm
Thanks for shopping with Procycle!

Your order has been shipped to you on 07/06/2010 via USPS Express Mail International.
 :thumleft:



Will let the guys that ordered know when it arrives, I estimate about 10 days from now..  :ricky:



Can you track your USPS parcel? The Ҹكطي٤Җҝأأڟڛ stamps.com website seems to be down :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on July 11, 2010, 08:06:33 pm
Nice thread on the DR Carb. Most of you have probably seen it already.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7088424#post7088424
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 13, 2010, 11:37:24 am
magnatec on sale at game starting thurs  :3some: R199 - for those of you dr dogs who use it.

Lecap - what oil do you feed your drs and how frequently?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 13, 2010, 11:42:56 am
Just a note -

when I pulled my magnetic drain plug a few days ago, I noticed a oily gel glob covering the metalic sludge that had attached to the little magnet on the drain plug. My immediate thought was that it had something to do with the additives in the magnatec oil. Any opinions??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 13, 2010, 11:47:24 am
Castrol ActEvo 10W40 JASO MA spec every 5000km to 6000km.

I sell it for R 66/litre.
Unfortunately not many shops stock it.

Just a note -

when I pulled my magnetic drain plug a few days ago, I noticed a oily gel glob covering the metalic sludge that had attached to the little magnet on the drain plug. My immediate thought was that it had something to do with the additives in the magnatec oil. Any opinions??
The brains of the "intelligent molecules" ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 13, 2010, 11:52:17 am
Hahaha -

.... eish ... maybe I'll order your stuff lecap. Is it partially synth or dino?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 13, 2010, 11:58:20 am
Almost every multigrade engine oil nowadays is semi synth.
Even if it does not say it on the box.
Check with the local Castrol distributors.
They should not be too fuzzy to sell to private (wave cash!)
ActEvo as well as Racing1 comes in 12x1l boxes means you do not have to buy a lifetime supply ;D
Make sure you get the 4T variant, both products available for 2smokers too.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 14, 2010, 02:50:03 pm
got a parcel today ;D will send you guys the details of your orders once ive worked it out :thumleft:


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on July 14, 2010, 08:56:13 pm
Hey there guru dudes,  ???
Falcon's bike seems to have sprung a leak, any ideas on what it might be.
Looks like it is in front behind the header pipes and the wind is pushing it around. Seems quite bad.

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/Mr-Python/Zuuk%20Leak/leak1.jpg)

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/Mr-Python/Zuuk%20Leak/Leak2.jpg)

(http://i932.photobucket.com/albums/ad169/Mr-Python/Zuuk%20Leak/leak3.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: buzzlightyear on July 14, 2010, 09:33:02 pm
Oil cooler? I'd say clean it off and then check it after a very short ride, just make sure there is still enough oil in.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 14, 2010, 10:54:50 pm
Looks like it may be the timing tensioner gasket
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 15, 2010, 05:50:32 am
Looks like it may be the timing tensioner gasket

what he said...

it happens from overfilling the bike with oil,  or at least mine did.
replacement part is R20,  job takes 20mins.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 15, 2010, 09:40:58 am
Greetings all

Was on TT this morning and came across a thread about the different types of spark plugs
The service manual I have says to use the NGK CR10E spark plug.

The guys were talking about using the NGK CR10EK spark plug.
Basically, it has 2 electrodes and when screwed into the plug hole, goes a little deeper into the cylinder.
This basically gives a little more compression they say.
A little more performance.
Downside, that extra thread or two that is deeper into the cyclinder gets dirty with carbon and stuff.
If not replaced regularly, those threads could collect all the burnt crap inside, get hard and strip the threads on the engine when trying to remove.

Has anyone played around with this spark plugs..?

What do we use in the SA Dr's, the CR10E..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 15, 2010, 10:59:15 am
Use CR10E

The EK only has one advantage: The double ground electrode gives an extended service life due to the slower electrode wear. This comes at a higher purchase price and at the price of more flame front obstruction caused by the second ground electrode. Losses are probably just as marginal as gains from indexing single ground electrode plugs

The "increased compression" story is pretty much rubbish. You can achieve the same by using a hotter plug due to differences in the internal shape of the insulator.
Using a longer threaded plug is dangoerous for the reasons mentioned. The plug MUST be shorter or equal in length than the shortest part of the plug hole thread.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 15, 2010, 11:05:08 am
Oil cooler? I'd say clean it off and then check it after a very short ride, just make sure there is still enough oil in.

There's oil pretty much everywhere impossible to locate the leak from the pictures. Airstream takes the oil everywhere often also against direction of travel.
Best to clean 100% and check, primary suspects would be timing chain tensioner gasket (very quick and cheap to replace) and all the oil feed connections.
Don't think base gasket as it has the 2004ff version.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 15, 2010, 11:06:06 am
Cool.  I didnt like the idea of threads being stripped.

Would I be correct in saying that using a CR9E would be for a cooler climate..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 15, 2010, 11:16:42 am
A lower heat value means the plug reaches operating temperature easier & faster.

Do NOT fit colder or hotter plugs unless you have confirmed that your carb is correctly jetted and the plug does not clean well enough or does clean too good.

To check for correct plug heat value cut the threaded sleeve just below the sealing washer around the insulator with a hascksaw. Don't use a brand new blade as you have to cut all the way to the ceramic insulator and the blade won't like this.

Once you've cut all the way around you will be able to pull the sleeve off and to see the insulator as in teh picture below:

The insulator should be quite evenly light grey and light brown to chestnut brown in colour and should show a well pronounced black sooty ring at the bottom of the protruding centre electrode insulator just above the end of the sleeve contact surface.
This ring must be between a few tenths and about two millimetres wide.
This test can be done at any time as soon as the engine has been running for more than a few minutes with the plug in question.
No run flat out & kill engine rubbish is required. You can test a brand new plug after a few minutes or check the ones you took out at the service.
If the sooty ring is more than 2mm wide use a colder plug (CR9E instead of CR10E).
If there is no soot visible use a hotter plug.

The engine would probably have to run under arctic conditions to require the colder plugs.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 15, 2010, 11:21:56 am
What would I be looking at then, too light or too dark..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 15, 2010, 11:31:10 am
A colder plug (CR9E) will not have the black, sooty ring as the one in the picture. It will wear faster and fail prematurely.

I once had a customer with a "tuned" DR with a way oversized main jet. The "tuner" had fitted CR7E's as the bike would keep fouling the plugs. Not the way, bozo ::)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 15, 2010, 11:37:01 am
Hmmm, dodgy 'Tuner'.  I'll  just stick with the CR10E
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 15, 2010, 11:37:46 am
Thanks for clearing that up.  Dont mess with whats been tried and tested
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 15, 2010, 04:17:20 pm
Awesome info on the plug Lecap. Thanks for the pic.  I haven't cut the threaded jacket yet. That's me little weekend project  ::)

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on July 15, 2010, 07:47:45 pm
Use CR10E

The EK only has one advantage: The double ground electrode gives an extended service life due to the slower electrode wear. This comes at a higher purchase price and at the price of more flame front obstruction caused by the second ground electrode. Losses are probably just as marginal as gains from indexing single ground electrode plugs

The "increased compression" story is pretty much rubbish. You can achieve the same by using a hotter plug due to differences in the internal shape of the insulator.
Using a longer threaded plug is dangoerous for the reasons mentioned. The plug MUST be shorter or equal in length than the shortest part of the plug hole thread.

When I was at school and on an almost non existent budget I used to take old car spark plugs (Champion N9Y if I recall correctly), file the electrode flat, pack them up with washers to turn them from long reach plugs into short reach plugs and use them in my Suzuki TS50 and Yamaha AG100. Fortunately times have changed have changed.   :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on July 15, 2010, 08:18:08 pm
Hey guys thanks for the help.
Will give her a bath on the weekend and review.

For the challenged guy which one is the timing chain tensioner gasket?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 15, 2010, 08:24:43 pm
there you go.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32071.220
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on July 15, 2010, 08:36:59 pm
there you go.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=32071.220

Cool thanks man.
How much was that TM40?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 16, 2010, 05:05:47 am
How much was that TM40?

R3838 landed.
comes with very basic settings,  good enough to work,  but not great...
bike needs a dyno...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 16, 2010, 07:25:47 am
How much was that TM40?

R3838 landed.
comes with very basic settings,  good enough to work,  but not great...
bike needs a dyno...

Where did you get it Ganjora?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 16, 2010, 07:28:17 am
Same place you got your Goodies PS
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 16, 2010, 08:13:42 am
Same place you got your Goodies PS
and yours Manfred ;)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 16, 2010, 08:15:08 am
LOL, oh ja, the freebies
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 17, 2010, 08:45:35 pm
Ok after much oil waisted If got the weight about right 10w as the book states is not so nice Ive used a blend have 7,5 w with eibagh straight rate springs had to turn up the rear again just a little but think its sorted now will see tommo :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on July 17, 2010, 10:48:28 pm
OK so y'all are cleverer than you think.  :throat:
It was the timing chain tensioner gasket  ;D

I Got the part, popped out the tensioner now... 2 questions
1. Is there an easy way to get the old gasket off? ???
And
2. Do I need to use some kinda gue when i put it back or just as it comes.  :ky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 18, 2010, 02:44:56 am
OK so y'all are cleverer than you think.  :throat:
It was the timing chain tensioner gasket  ;D

I Got the part, popped out the tensioner now... 2 questions
1. Is there an easy way to get the old gasket off? ???
And
2. Do I need to use some kinda gue when i put it back or just as it comes.  :ky:


1 stanley knife blade.
2 wurth engine silicone
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Falcon on July 18, 2010, 05:48:19 am
OK so y'all are cleverer than you think.  :throat:
It was the timing chain tensioner gasket  ;D

I Got the part, popped out the tensioner now... 2 questions
1. Is there an easy way to get the old gasket off? ???
And
2. Do I need to use some kinda gue when i put it back or just as it comes.  :ky:


1 stanley knife blade.
2 wurth engine silicone


Thanks for your help G.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: JIMBO on July 18, 2010, 03:49:51 pm
Yes, I have settled on front fork oil blended to a weight of about 8,2.  Also air release valves in the caps.   
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 18, 2010, 07:08:52 pm
Found another nice little piece of jeep track. This time near Krugersdorp (close to the old public swimming pools). In the 90s, I used to cycle down a really steep descent very close by, and never even knew this was here!

(http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/oo48/LonesomeCraig/dr.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on July 18, 2010, 07:57:42 pm
OK Job done took way longer than the alleged 20 min

The Part cost R13
Thanks Ganjora dude, ended up using a wood chisel, was the only thing i could get into the tight spaces.

But Thanks especially to Le Cap for the Sunday Afternoon phone support. I couldn't figure out how to get the friggen plunger back in.
He explained how to do it including the making of a Tool in about 2 mins.
That was the end of my frustrations except for dropping every conceivable tool into hard to reach places.

But all should be peaceful again now, Flacon was suffering from withdrawal symptoms.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Lourens ツ on July 18, 2010, 08:02:06 pm
Yesterday I was very glad that I did not have a fuel injected bike.  I left the ignition on for the whole day and of course the battery went flat.   :-[

I pushed the bike to a speed a little faster than a fast walk, jumped  on and dropped the clutch in 2nd gear.  The bike started immediately!  :thumleft:

Now I just hope the battery did not get damaged.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 19, 2010, 07:47:23 am
OK so y'all are cleverer than you think.  :throat:
It was the timing chain tensioner gasket  ;D

I Got the part, popped out the tensioner now... 2 questions
1. Is there an easy way to get the old gasket off? ???
And
2. Do I need to use some kinda gue when i put it back or just as it comes.  :ky:


1 stanley knife blade.
2 wurth engine silicone oil
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 21, 2010, 10:06:42 am
I ordered two new fork seal clips from suki as the old ones seemed a little rusted and pap... dont like putting stuff back that isnt neat.
Man I love how cheap suki spares are R25.00  :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 21, 2010, 10:31:40 am
I think by the time you have finished, your bike will be newer than mine
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on July 21, 2010, 11:07:52 am
I think by the time you have finished, your bike will be newer than mine

Dude I just wanna sort my jetting finally and add fmf pipe then Im done, oh yes wait add a power socket and a rack also do the valve mod and stiffen up the rear...mabe do stronger rims like black excels  :drif:...oh yes and do a custom fairing perhaps, that s about it I think, oh wait a 14t sprock is also on the cards mabe commision Groenie for some racks like he did on Ganjoras bike thats about it. oh wait and a proper fuel cap and petcock :ricky: thats it :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 21, 2010, 11:10:22 am
We know, It just never ends
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on July 21, 2010, 05:13:07 pm
Do any of you know where to get a billet gas cap for a IMS tank, preferably in RSA? (I should have ordered one with my tank from justgastanks right from the start).
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 21, 2010, 08:37:22 pm
got mine from Runner,  but all the bike shops stock them.

had hoped to get a black one,  but on the day,  blue was all there was...

R280 as i recall.

(http://i597.photobucket.com/albums/tt58/GanjoraD7/DSCN1363.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on July 22, 2010, 01:59:24 pm
Thanks, did not see any at George dealers. 
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on July 27, 2010, 05:39:49 pm
If any of you are interested in doing the GSXR exhaust mod, there is one advertised here.  http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-auto-parts-accessories-suzuki-gsxr-1000-original-exaust-W0QQAdIdZ218555626 (http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-auto-parts-accessories-suzuki-gsxr-1000-original-exaust-W0QQAdIdZ218555626)

(yes that is a K1 or K2 one.)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on July 28, 2010, 02:59:36 pm
If any of you are interested in doing the GSXR exhaust mod, there is one advertised here.  http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-auto-parts-accessories-suzuki-gsxr-1000-original-exaust-W0QQAdIdZ218555626 (http://durban.gumtree.co.za/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-auto-parts-accessories-suzuki-gsxr-1000-original-exaust-W0QQAdIdZ218555626)

(yes that is a K1 or K2 one.)
+1
 If you dont have an aftermarket muffler yet, and would like some more power, buy this one . Probably the best mod I have made on my DR to date. For that price it is a steal, i think Suzuki SA charges R11K.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on July 28, 2010, 03:08:29 pm
Do any of you guys with fancy IMS tanks and petcock have a stock one to spare for me? When I switch off the tap, petrol still leaks through(, and then leaks through the carb but thats another problem). Tx
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 28, 2010, 11:42:23 pm
Something wrong in the first picture, better in the second:
(Bash plates in stock again)


Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on July 29, 2010, 07:33:07 am
hahaha - funny thing is while I was riding out there I felt kinda naked without a bashplate. Time to get the welder out! Won't be as pretty and as robust as yours Lecap. I'll post the result when I finally get to it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 29, 2010, 11:43:19 am
If I were to buy a Mitas E07 .  What size would I need for the DR, a 130/80-17..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on July 29, 2010, 11:46:21 am
If I were to buy a Mitas E07 .  What size would I need for the DR, a 130/80-17..?


Std size on a DR is 120/80, but I had a 130/80 Trailwing and currently a 140/80 K60 Heidi. :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 29, 2010, 11:47:44 am
Thanks Priest

What were the Trailwing and heidi's like..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: the_priest on July 29, 2010, 11:52:48 am
Trailwing wasn't aggressive enough for me. (Although it was badly worn already when i bought the bike.)

The Heidi is AWESOME off-road, but it is dangerous in the wet if you ask me. I have about 3k kms left on mine and then I will shop for something else. Let me know how the E07 goes.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 29, 2010, 11:54:26 am
Will do.  OEM stuff is about halfway through.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 30, 2010, 12:26:47 am
Kings KT966 5.10x17
Looks impressive works well safe on wet tar, very good on dry tar, good grip on hardpack, gravel  and in mud. Not the best in soft sand (thread too fine).
Lasts very well.
Does not like wild wheelspin orgies, high speed at low pressure and locked wheel (blocks start to crumble).
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 30, 2010, 06:20:01 am
wanna dyno my bike.
i'm convinced the carb could do better - it landed here with very generic settings...
where,  reputable,  in gauteng on a saturday?
needs to happen soon,  imminently replacing knobbies,  and want to do this on dead tyres.

how's manfred's 'ugly red headed stepchild' avatar?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on July 30, 2010, 06:23:28 am
cheap 'n good ceramic coaters?

the exhaust has never been as clean again as in lecap's pic...
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on July 30, 2010, 07:59:56 am
Ooiiii Ganjora, that ugly red headed stepchild will haunt you in your dreams if he hears that.

Doesnt Tornado developements do dyno tuning.  Not too sure where they are.

Lecap - Not too worried about the Kings not performing in the sand.  even with the best knobblie on, I would still suck.
What is the size for the Kings front.

When the rear tyre is finished, I'll probably replace both.  I'll compare prices and decide if I'll be using for more tar or more dirt.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on July 31, 2010, 11:47:05 pm
Ooiiii Ganjora, that ugly red headed stepchild will haunt you in your dreams if he hears that.

Doesnt Tornado developements do dyno tuning.  Not too sure where they are.

Lecap - Not too worried about the Kings not performing in the sand.  even with the best knobblie on, I would still suck.
What is the size for the Kings front.

When the rear tyre is finished, I'll probably replace both.  I'll compare prices and decide if I'll be using for more tar or more dirt.

I use Kings KT 966 3.00x21 and 5.10x17 on the DR
You can get a 4.60x17 which is more or less identical to the OEM 120/90x17 and fairly cheap but the 5.10 looks much more impressive :biggrin:
The reason why I like the KT966 is I don't have to get a second bike with road tires. They do tarmac well across my comfort zone (which is wide) and if they really start to go they do it in a very controlled manner not the kink block & go of the bloody useless Kenda 270
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 01, 2010, 08:34:29 am
I like that tread pattern on the Kings too, Lecap. Where's the best place to buy?? Price range?? (my trailwing is almost sat - not a bad tyre IMO).

+1 on the Kendas. Those tyres are ... EISH!

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Cacher on August 01, 2010, 08:16:58 pm
Ok, so I am still running with the stock carb on the bike, and after scratching in and around the bike today, I found the "secondary" air filter that runs to the carb.  The foam seems a bit dirty, but I can not open it as it is a sealed unit.  From what I see on the Net one can order, from the States of course, a far better air filter.  Any ideas to improve my situation?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hagar on August 01, 2010, 10:30:38 pm
Ok, so I am still running with the stock carb on the bike, and after scratching in and around the bike today, I found the "secondary" air filter that runs to the carb.  The foam seems a bit dirty, but I can not open it as it is a sealed unit.  From what I see on the Net one can order, from the States of course, a far better air filter.  Any ideas to improve my situation?

It is possible to take out the piece of plastic keeping the foam in place.  (the screen on top)  Use something like  needle nose pliers.  Take out the foam and clean and oil like an air filter.  Bend the piece of plastic again and put on top again, work it till it locks in again.  Good for a long time again, and cleans better than the fancy one on Procycle's site.

Cleaned mine, before throwing it out when installing the FCR39.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 02, 2010, 09:11:08 am
I like that tread pattern on the Kings too, Lecap. Where's the best place to buy?? Price range?? (my trailwing is almost sat - not a bad tyre IMO).

+1 on the Kendas. Those tyres are ... EISH!



Ask your usuall supplier to order them.
Autocycle in CT is the importer / wholeseller.

If you don't come right I can send them.

For the little breather filter:
Take off the whole thing, wash with Prepsol, rinse with plenty of water.
Never bothered to oil as the foam is so coarse it seems to only keep insects out. Dust eventualy makes its way into the carb
Confirmed by occasional carb disassembly & cleaning missions.

If you want to get something decent get a fairly sized pneumatic silencer and stick it onto the pipe. :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 02, 2010, 09:33:28 am
I agree with lecap.  Find something locally.
I have the secondary breather from Procycle.
Im sure you can get it here.
Its a course looking paper sandwitched between wire mesh.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 02, 2010, 11:19:38 am
Thanks Lecap

I'll see about ordering. That looks like a really nice tyre. From my google searches, it looks like it should be in the R700 range here??

Regarding the cleaning of the secondary air filter ... I just use some paraffin. Place the little bell housing with the filter inside (I don't try to pull it apart) in a jar filled with paraffin and give it a good few shakes. Then I let it dry in the sun (out of the dust and wind). I'm figuring the oily residue from the paraffin will help in filtration functions    O0
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 02, 2010, 11:38:47 am
As Jenks said.
After the first time I did it, I didnt like that sponge in there, very flimsy.
One thing I didnt test was if the air flowed freely through it.
I dount it needs much anyway.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 02, 2010, 04:02:40 pm
I have a technical question, do you check the oil level when the bike is hot ie just switched off before the oil has run down or cold? when its still up in the head and cooler?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on August 02, 2010, 04:17:48 pm
cold.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 02, 2010, 04:26:56 pm
Thanks, thought so just making sure.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Cacher on August 02, 2010, 07:45:10 pm
With regards to the the secondary air filter question: Thanks a mil, I appreciate it  :)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 03, 2010, 07:21:53 am
Pleasure.  did you find one down there..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 03, 2010, 08:49:38 am
I've been told bike should run for a minute or so before oil level check, Pistonslap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 03, 2010, 09:22:29 am
Manual says to let engine run for several minutes at idle.
Then wait a minute before checking
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 03, 2010, 11:41:25 am
great thanks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 10, 2010, 07:32:48 pm
Went for a trip trip to the Drakensburg with a mate of mine (XT600) this past long weekend to try out the new camping equipment. Conclusion 1, if you are in the market for a new sleeping bag buy the best the best you can afford otherwise you will freeze your butt off - believe me! Conclusion 2, dry bags strapped to the bike will eventually come loose on gravel roads no matter how tight you tie them down - I have subsequently ordered a Bags Connection Drybag. Otherwise it was great fun and the DR took everything in it's stride. The 14T was great offroad but limited one to about 110km/h on the open road.

(http://a.imageshack.us/img801/2458/201008motorcycletrip12.jpg)

(http://a.imageshack.us/img413/7776/201008motorcycletrip02.jpg)

(http://a.imageshack.us/img205/5703/201008motorcycletrip05.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 10, 2010, 08:05:50 pm
Yup. Good advice re sleeping bag. The berg is moerse koud this time of year. You okes are brave!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dr.grondpad on August 11, 2010, 04:39:39 am
Hey Jenks... You left a trail and i followed you over... ;D

I am currently in the states of da US "been here for a while" And bought a 03 DR 650. 10G miles, Great condition $2300.00 Put 2000 mi on her this season and most of it as fast as she can...Geen kakofhare nie.

Now I had great bikes before but the suzuki makes me feel comfortable.

Want to buy a second one here, farkle it a bit and maybe then ship it to da Vrystaat.

Will keep on reading here and maybe join in on a outride.... SOMEDAY!

Mooigaan
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 11, 2010, 06:03:03 am
Lekker Grondpad!

Welcome to the clan. How's the riding in the US?? I'll probably be visiting family in North Carolina sometime and would DEFINITELY be riding some forest trails!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dr.grondpad on August 11, 2010, 06:23:48 am
It go so between the taair ene the tjoep bru. I would believe NC would have a couple of beauts. Going to Colorado next week for a quickie...  The thing I like most is the no helmet law here in ND.

But winter on the way, maybe its time 4 heated grips, vest, studded tires...

Have a good one
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 12, 2010, 01:12:55 pm
Okes....

I'm gonna loose my fricken mind!!
After my donkey incedent my bike got fixed (mostly cosmetic). I asked the bozo's to check my front forks for damage and they said they did and assured me all was well with them.
About a month ago my left fork started leaking, so I changed the oil seals on both forks and all was well for about 3 weeks.
Now my EFFFFFFFING forks are leaking again!!!
Is it maybe cause I didn't change the dust seals when I changed the oil seals or do you guys maybe reakon these okes where taking the piss when they said they had checked my forks?
I'm not the type to loose it, but this is making me the bliksem-in.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on August 13, 2010, 08:52:22 am
Okes....

I'm gonna loose my fricken mind!!
After my donkey incedent my bike got fixed (mostly cosmetic). I asked the bozo's to check my front forks for damage and they said they did and assured me all was well with them.
About a month ago my left fork started leaking, so I changed the oil seals on both forks and all was well for about 3 weeks.
Now my EFFFFFFFING forks are leaking again!!!
Is it maybe cause I didn't change the dust seals when I changed the oil seals or do you guys maybe reakon these okes where taking the piss when they said they had checked my forks?
I'm not the type to loose it, but this is making me the bliksem-in.


Aaaaag tog ou maat.  Klink my jou luck is net nie meer wat dit was nie... Getroude lewe is rof en die vorige 'mistress' soek seker net jou aandag ;) Onthou comments soos "dis net 'n vervoermiddel" is nie die beste idee voor die bike nie...  :mwink:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 13, 2010, 10:17:48 am
Hey sharky

You find that top box of yours yet? :laughing4:
Ever since you moved to white and blue everything has gone downhill. Bloody agent :patch:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: SharkyZA on August 13, 2010, 01:56:21 pm
Norrafog ou maat - die BMW is bloody awesome, hy ry nie daai grondpaaie wat ons met die DRs so lekker gery het nie, maar dis ok. Ek sal maar 'mooi' grondpaaie soek - netnou verloor ek nog iets wat afgeskud word  :xxbah:
Die beemer se kos is die langpad - daai lang boring paaie wat net nie ent kry nie... Dit is al wat ek genuine in die DR gemis het - 140km/h cruising speed. No fuss. Die DR het vir my bietjie hard gewerk as ek 120 gery het. Maar ek mis haar nog steeds  :'(
'The grass is always greener on the other side'

Tjeers
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 13, 2010, 08:59:55 pm
See that Kientech now have 525 45T rear sprockets. This is probably a better bet than a 14T front sprocket. Only problem is to convince them to ship to SA.

http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on August 13, 2010, 09:02:18 pm
See that Kientech now have 525 45T rear sprockets. This is probably a better bet than a 14T front sprocket. Only problem is to convince them to ship to SA.

http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm

pro-cycle?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 13, 2010, 09:06:58 pm
See that Kientech now have 525 45T rear sprockets. This is probably a better bet than a 14T front sprocket. Only problem is to convince them to ship to SA.

http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm

pro-cycle?

They only have 43T ones, but

http://shop.pbisprockets.com/product.sc?productId=379&categoryId=46
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 13, 2010, 09:22:57 pm
Only noticed now that they are only for the older bikes (90 - 95).

This is the correct page. Seems as if they are aluminium.

http://shop.pbisprockets.com/product.sc?productId=387&categoryId=46
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 14, 2010, 08:51:41 am
See that Kientech now have 525 45T rear sprockets. This is probably a better bet than a 14T front sprocket. Only problem is to convince them to ship to SA.

http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm

I can get 45t sprockets made locally. A tad more than a standard PBR but probably still cheaper than importing one?

How many do we need?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 14, 2010, 07:30:20 pm
One for me lecap. I will put a 16T front sprocket to get back to standard if need be.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Vetkoek on August 14, 2010, 08:04:12 pm
Conclusion 2, dry bags strapped to the bike will eventually come loose on gravel roads no matter how tight you tie them down - I have subsequently ordered a Bags Connection Drybag.

Ek gebruik 2 "tie down straps" en 3 "cargo nets". Nog nooit probleme gehad nie.


(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/54359/IMG_0001-1.jpg)


(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/54359/IMG_0003-3.jpg)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 14, 2010, 08:25:41 pm
Conclusion 2, dry bags strapped to the bike will eventually come loose on gravel roads no matter how tight you tie them down - I have subsequently ordered a Bags Connection Drybag.

Ek gebruik 2 "tie down straps" en 3 "cargo nets". Nog nooit probleme gehad nie.


Maybe the 3 Cargo Nets do the trick. A mate of mine once used one of those "octopus" type of stretchy things if you know what I mean - his normal backpacking type of rucksack never moved an inch, contrary to what I would have thought.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 14, 2010, 08:43:47 pm
Looks as if you have an Anakee on the back there Vetkoek (Ping Dave!). If so,  :thumleft: . I have had nothing but joy from them. Just stay away from deep sand.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Vetkoek on August 14, 2010, 09:15:56 pm
Ek kan nie kla oor die Anakees nie. Great op grond en teer. Voor het ek Metzeler Sahara, weereens kan nie kla nie.

Ek ry 60%teer/40% grond.

Nog nooit sand of modder gery nie maar heelwat goeie grondpad.

Beide bande het nou so 3000km op.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on August 15, 2010, 01:20:18 pm
See that Kientech now have 525 45T rear sprockets. This is probably a better bet than a 14T front sprocket. Only problem is to convince them to ship to SA.

http://www.kientech.com/DR650ConvNstandardsprocketkits.htm

I can get 45t sprockets made locally. A tad more than a standard PBR but probably still cheaper than importing one?

How many do we need?

Estimated price LeCap?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 16, 2010, 12:50:49 am
Doing a midweek ride next week for 4 days so built up some side bag racks today..quite happy with the outcome just need to add some hoops for lashing my bags to and spray them. Real easy just a few bends and welds cost me less than R100.00 in consumables feel pretty solid.

Im not going to add a rack as I can sling all I need on whats there Im just going to mount a simple plate with rubbers to the top rear fender mount stud to prevent scuffing from the bags shifting, the hand rails are great and dont wanna loose them they serve as good securing points.

Ive put the stock pipe back on the open one was irritating me.. am considering supertrapp or FMF at a later stage, decided my XR650R rebuild is a priority project so dont think Ill be doing too much more to the DR its pretty much done bar stiffer rear spring.. Ive also re corked the air-box with the snorkel as it keeps the air flow even over the filter and Im not interested in .0005% performance increase rather keep the air clean.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 16, 2010, 06:57:52 am
Neat job pistonslap.
  :thumleft:



Ja you're right about the snorkel. Opening the airbox is best done with jetting mods.

I lifted the needle on the DJ kit another notch (richer) to fourth clip from the top and added the old stocker white washer to the top of the needle to stabilise it.

Bike runs even better now. Great responsiveness and power!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 16, 2010, 07:17:49 am
I'll get a price for the 45' rear sprockets today.
Everybody happy with the 45' rear and 525 (OEM gauge) chain?

Don't want to end up with a stack of sprockets and then you ask me for 44' 520 ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on August 16, 2010, 08:25:13 am
i'll take on1 too,  thanks lecap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 16, 2010, 09:15:13 am
Neat job pistonslap.
  :thumleft:



Ja you're right about the snorkel. Opening the airbox is best done with jetting mods.

I lifted the needle on the DJ kit another notch (richer) to fourth clip from the top and added the old stocker white washer to the top of the needle to stabilise it.

Bike runs even better now. Great responsiveness and power!

Thanks Jenks, takes an hour when you get the nack I could make them to fit the only thing that is altered is longer bolts to go through the hinge tubes that the tube is welded to Ive bolted those to the pillion peg mounts..so its bolt on and bolt off and does not affect the bike in any way.
Bought 6m of tube so Im looking at bending some engine protection that oil filter is asking for a hole.

Groenie also does a nice job was going there but ran out of time..Got the idea from Ganjoras bike :thumleft:

So you recon the jet kit is the way to go? can you feel a marked diff in response? I find std jetting the stock pipe has the torque low down where I like it cant feel a performance diff perse but it sounds faster but actually feels the same still pick it up in second gear?
I just dont like people walking in front of me on the single track cause they cant here me comming :-\
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: chopperpilot on August 16, 2010, 10:07:00 am
I'll get a price for the 45' rear sprockets today.
Everybody happy with the 45' rear and 525 (OEM gauge) chain?

Don't want to end up with a stack of sprockets and then you ask me for 44' 520 ;D

2 Please! ;D
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 16, 2010, 10:17:31 am
Pistonslap, Ive done the jetting on mine.
Still stock exhaust.
The induction noise from the opened airbox, people hear that.
But when I rode Jenks' bike, I didnt hear it because of the aftermarket exhaust.
You can definitely feel it in the midrange area, well worth it.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 16, 2010, 07:01:21 pm
Ja Pistonslap - my butt dyno tells me the bike is pulling better. However the opened airbox and aftermarket pipe must be part of the deal otherwise you're just fugging around.

Some okes are happy with their bikes stock. I totally understand that. I can't handle my bike stock. Feels like I'm riding a hyosung or something  O0
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 16, 2010, 08:19:24 pm
Was just wondering lecap - will there be enough slack in the standard chain for a 45T sprocket?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dr.grondpad on August 17, 2010, 05:08:11 am
got a parcel today ;D will send you guys the details of your orders once ive worked it out :thumleft:




Nice tjerrie in daai kiekie teen die muur!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 17, 2010, 06:51:12 am
got a parcel today ;D will send you guys the details of your orders once ive worked it out :thumleft:




Nice tjerrie in daai kiekie teen die muur!

.. like a Gypsy do you?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 17, 2010, 07:47:54 am
Was just wondering lecap - will there be enough slack in the standard chain for a 45T sprocket?

No you will need two links more.

Best of both worlds would be achieved with a 15' and a 16' front and a 45' rear and the lengthened chain.

16:45 gives you 0.36 which is very close to the OEM 15:41 = 0.37

If you put the OEM front on you have 15:45 = 0.33 which is 10% shorter than OEM.

Swopping between two front sprockets can be done on the side of the road within 10 minutes with an 8mm & 10mm socket wrench and the 24 to loosen the rear axle.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 17, 2010, 10:07:23 am
Was just wondering lecap - will there be enough slack in the standard chain for a 45T sprocket?

No you will need two links more.

Best of both worlds would be achieved with a 15' and a 16' front and a 45' rear and the lengthened chain.

16:45 gives you 0.36 which is very close to the OEM 15:41 = 0.37

If you put the OEM front on you have 15:45 = 0.33 which is 10% shorter than OEM.

Swopping between two front sprockets can be done on the side of the road within 10 minutes with an 8mm & 10mm socket wrench and the 24 to loosen the rear axle.

Would it perhaps be possible to put together a kit of 45T sprocket, 16T sprocket, piece of chain & masterlinks?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dr.grondpad on August 18, 2010, 06:53:55 am
Especially that anal beads she's clutching... :imaposer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 18, 2010, 07:16:51 am
I'll check the possibility of getting 16t sprockets made or supplied locally (as I understand it there is no 525 x 16 to fit the DR650SE available locally?).

Then it's probably best if I supply complete kits consisiting of precut to length chain chain, 15' and 16' front and 45' rear sprockets.
All you have to tell me is if you want rivet or clip link and which quality & make chain :cheers:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: DeepBass9 on August 18, 2010, 11:28:47 am
Finally got my progressive fork springs fitted. Much better! The front end is not skipping all over the road anymore and feels very planted. I was warned yesterday that the problem with the progressive front springs is they reveal how kark the back suspension is! Sad but true!  :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on August 18, 2010, 06:20:06 pm
Ok,Need some pointers.

I need a oil filter and oil,both my brakefluied silenders are at the lower level,and front and rear disc pads are done,oh and I guess it's not necessary to get new sparkplugs?

Would like to know where the best place to get it,and what I should pay.
I dont want to get them all from Suzuki South,when I could have gotten them for half the price at another place way closer to me.

If anyone (lecap :biggrin:) can help me with that,it be much appreciated! :thumleft:

Peace
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 18, 2010, 07:44:24 pm
I'll check the possibility of getting 16t sprockets made or supplied locally (as I understand it there is no 525 x 16 to fit the DR650SE available locally?).

Then it's probably best if I supply complete kits consisiting of precut to length chain chain, 15' and 16' front and 45' rear sprockets.
All you have to tell me is if you want rivet or clip link and which quality & make chain :cheers:

Sounds good to me - personally  I would prefer a clip link. Had a quick look but do not know of any local suppliers for a 16T sprocket.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on August 19, 2010, 06:01:39 am
I'll check the possibility of getting 16t sprockets made or supplied locally (as I understand it there is no 525 x 16 to fit the DR650SE available locally?).

Then it's probably best if I supply complete kits consisiting of precut to length chain chain, 15' and 16' front and 45' rear sprockets.
All you have to tell me is if you want rivet or clip link and which quality & make chain :cheers:

very VERY interested.
clip link.
keep us posted lecap.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 19, 2010, 08:59:58 am
I'll have to import the 16T sprockets. Fark!

The 45's won't be cheap either. Best I can offer is R750 a tot and I'll have to make them in batches of four or five at least.

Let's do a head count to see if this is feasible.

Chains currently are R1135 for a DID 525VM (X) and 895 for an Enuma EK 525MVXZ (X)

Will have to check for price incl. shipment for 16t sprockets
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 19, 2010, 09:06:03 am
Ok,Need some pointers.

I need a oil filter and oil,both my brakefluied silenders are at the lower level,and front and rear disc pads are done,oh and I guess it's not necessary to get new sparkplugs?

Would like to know where the best place to get it,and what I should pay.
I dont want to get them all from Suzuki South,when I could have gotten them for half the price at another place way closer to me.

If anyone (lecap :biggrin:) can help me with that,it be much appreciated! :thumleft:

Peace

Get plugs. Ca. R70 each (2)
Oil filter R60 or so
Oil R66 / litre Castrol ActEvo 10W40. If you want it cheaper get Caltex Delo Gold from Midas.
Brake pads between R 160 and R290 a set depending if you want cheap XXXX or quality.
Fitting the brake pads will miraculously lift the brake fluid leels :mwink:
Replace brake fluid if it's no longer clear or yellow in colour but dark amber, brown (yuk!) or black :o I can change it for you while you wait, it's quick and cheapish.

I can get everything for you to collect from my shop or I can bring the stuff to Kriges tomorrow.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on August 19, 2010, 11:18:29 am
Ok,Need some pointers.

I need a oil filter and oil,both my brakefluied silenders are at the lower level,and front and rear disc pads are done,oh and I guess it's not necessary to get new sparkplugs?

Would like to know where the best place to get it,and what I should pay.
I dont want to get them all from Suzuki South,when I could have gotten them for half the price at another place way closer to me.

If anyone (lecap :biggrin:) can help me with that,it be much appreciated! :thumleft:

Peace

Get plugs. Ca. R70 each (2)
Oil filter R60 or so
Oil R66 / litre Castrol ActEvo 10W40. If you want it cheaper get Caltex Delo Gold from Midas.
Brake pads between R 160 and R290 a set depending if you want cheap XXXX or quality.
Fitting the brake pads will miraculously lift the brake fluid leels :mwink:
Replace brake fluid if it's no longer clear or yellow in colour but dark amber, brown (yuk!) or black :o I can change it for you while you wait, it's quick and cheapish.

I can get everything for you to collect from my shop or I can bring the stuff to Kriges tomorrow.

That’s gr8 service…If I ever move to the WP you will be the only one to touch my bike LeCap. I will be in contact with you at some time (still in Afghanistan) for the bushes on the DR200 swing arm (or  something like that) We will have a plan to courier it up but I’ll contact you some time. I will have to do the work myself but I remember you said it takes some special tools…? (or am I mistaken by another thread?)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on August 19, 2010, 02:56:31 pm
Ok,Need some pointers.

I need a oil filter and oil,both my brakefluied silenders are at the lower level,and front and rear disc pads are done,oh and I guess it's not necessary to get new sparkplugs?

Would like to know where the best place to get it,and what I should pay.
I dont want to get them all from Suzuki South,when I could have gotten them for half the price at another place way closer to me.

If anyone (lecap :biggrin:) can help me with that,it be much appreciated! :thumleft:

Peace

Get plugs. Ca. R70 each (2)
Oil filter R60 or so
Oil R66 / litre Castrol ActEvo 10W40. If you want it cheaper get Caltex Delo Gold from Midas.
Brake pads between R 160 and R290 a set depending if you want cheap XXXX or quality.
Fitting the brake pads will miraculously lift the brake fluid leels :mwink:
Replace brake fluid if it's no longer clear or yellow in colour but dark amber, brown (yuk!) or black :o I can change it for you while you wait, it's quick and cheapish.

I can get everything for you to collect from my shop or I can bring the stuff to Kriges tomorrow.

Ok thanx Jurgen,Will get back to you. :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 20, 2010, 12:07:17 am
Re the DR200 swingarm pivot conversion: All you need is a big G-clamp or a vice and some sockets to press out and fit the bushes & needle bearings.
Re the DR service parts: I'll go shopping before noon else it will only be Monday.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on August 20, 2010, 05:00:50 am
Re the DR200 swingarm pivot conversion: All you need is a big G-clamp or a vice and some sockets to press out and fit the bushes & needle bearings.


Thanks Lecap, will order soon - hope you still have 1 set in stock and some instructions of how to go about replacing them. Doesn't sound too difficult. Your price on it and how do we go about to coerier to Brits - Postnet?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 20, 2010, 08:03:14 am
It's R550 for the DR200 swingarm pivot needle bearings and the sleeves insured parcel to your door step. Got stock.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: TVB on August 20, 2010, 08:54:51 am
It's R550 for the DR200 swingarm pivot needle bearings and the sleeves insured parcel to your door step. Got stock.

Thanks Lecap, please Pm me your banking details and if possible add some instructions ort hints! Its for this one:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 20, 2010, 09:04:06 am
My BIL and I have drawn up a rack in CAD that is cut out of a single piece of ssteel included a bottle opener on the back ..it bolts straight on the DR650 (newer model) will post pics as soon as its back from laser cutting hope it works out :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Ganjora on August 20, 2010, 09:14:45 am
My BIL and I have drawn up a rack in CAD that is cut out of a single piece of ssteel included a bottle opener on the back ..it bolts straight on the DR650 (newer model) will post pics as soon as its back from laser cutting hope it works out :P

nice,  a bottle opener - critical equipment on a ride.
as sexy as my Kykdaar Monster Lugage RackTM ?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 20, 2010, 09:18:02 am
My BIL and I have drawn up a rack in CAD that is cut out of a single piece of ssteel included a bottle opener on the back ..it bolts straight on the DR650 (newer model) will post pics as soon as its back from laser cutting hope it works out :P

nice,  a bottle opener - critical equipment on a ride.
as sexy as my Kykdaar Monster Lugage RackTM ?

Bottle opener is crucial for DS riding  :P looks sort of ok on screen will see when its cut.
This is a basic mock up xcept the bends on the wings wont be as sharp as its a bend and not a weld
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 22, 2010, 08:52:45 pm
Looks interesting pistonslap. Any more renderings?? That one looks stretched.

BTW - I dropped the dj needle to second clip after experimenting with an over-rich fifth clip.

Bike runs very well off idle and seems to start better. Go figure!

I thought I had it right on the fifth clip - but I was getting a seriaaas bog!!

I'm now thinking that third or second clip with the 150 main might be the best setting of the dj system for jozi.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 23, 2010, 07:11:07 am
Looks interesting pistonslap. Any more renderings?? That one looks stretched.

BTW - I dropped the dj needle to second clip after experimenting with an over-rich fifth clip.

Bike runs very well off idle and seems to start better. Go figure!

I thought I had it right on the fifth clip - but I was getting a seriaaas bog!!

I'm now thinking that third or second clip with the 150 main might be the best setting of the dj system for jozi.



Hey jenks, its just like the drawing, i tapered it to follow the lines of the rear fender, also didnt want it too close to the hand rails as they are useful. will see how it turns out. its primary function is bottle opener the secondary function is rack :P
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 23, 2010, 02:36:20 pm
Saw this site for those of you that want to buy something from the US but they do not ship to SA - if you are prepared to pay $60 a year!

http://myus2.myus.com/
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 25, 2010, 09:20:02 am
Edgemead Business Park

www.lecap.co.za/map.jpg

Please phone before you visit.
o7 doubletoo fiftynine triple o 9
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on August 26, 2010, 11:01:46 am
Hi, does anyone have an extended fuel screw for the BST 40?

http://www.kientech.com/ExtendedFuelScrews.htm

I would like to borrow ( or rent ) for a week or 2 while sorting out the mixtures out.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 26, 2010, 11:39:45 am
Hi, does anyone have an extended fuel screw for the BST 40?

http://www.kientech.com/ExtendedFuelScrews.htm

I would like to borrow ( or rent ) for a week or 2 while sorting out the mixtures out.

E I cant decide if I must open the thing up, and re jet is it worth it? cant feel power difference between open pipe and stock? is there a marked difference ?
input appreciated
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on August 26, 2010, 11:57:04 am
I felt a significant difference with the open can, as well as about 10Km/hour top speed. I must admit it was not immediate and it took about 500km to "run in". I am not sure if this makes sence .  I did the can to lose some weight, and get a better sound, the performance was optional and a welcome surprise.

I am in 2 minds about opening the carb for purposes other than cleaning. My bike was running really great, and now I am struggling with mixtures, jetting and needle settings. Not sure if the hassle is worth the result. Seems like a dark art to me.  i think if you have access to proper know-how and equipment for testing go for it. The try and see approach is not working for me.  Jenks seem to be a lot happier with the kit.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 26, 2010, 11:58:25 am
Mid range is much better Pistonslap.  
Slight increase in topend (not really needed in my case)
Induction noise is a beeek noise, especially with bashplate on.  (have earplugs)
Does sound pretty cool though.

If you keen on fiddling with the different jets, then go for it.
I didnt have a lot of time to fiddle, so my bike was decommissioned for quite a while (carb was out)
The way it is set now, I will ride it for a while and see.
If I dont like it, I will have a dynojet kit and a ready cut airbox to swap for the OEM airbox
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 26, 2010, 12:37:11 pm
any reccomended localy available pipes i had a cowly made up but it sounds shite?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 26, 2010, 12:40:03 pm
Penta exhausts used to be quite popular with the KLR guys.

Dont know if they still exist.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 26, 2010, 12:45:14 pm
power wise i like the torque low down and the stock pipe is nice for that not into top end it does great at 120 so not sure if im going to mess with it again, the open pipe crackled and backfired to hell and gone without jetting does the dyna jet kit sort that? im ordering a new spring kit for rear shock and must decide on dyna jet while at it?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 26, 2010, 01:52:42 pm
From what I have read, the decel popping will always be there, even worse with an aftermarket pipe.
Usually a lean condition.
Std carb jetting, lean off idle, rich midrange, lean WOT
With the Dynojet, you try sort those problems out

What the US guys do is make it a bit richer with the fuel screw to minimise the sound.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 26, 2010, 01:53:26 pm
I dont hear anything with my std exhaust, maybe cause of the earplugs.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: madmike999 on August 27, 2010, 03:07:51 am
any reccomended localy available pipes i had a cowly made up but it sounds shite?


have you tried Airage, nice looking pipes and come from a Suzuki fan, i have one, good price and mine is set up not to be very loud.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 27, 2010, 03:10:48 am
any reccomended localy available pipes i had a cowly made up but it sounds shite?


have you tried Airage, nice looking pipes and come from a Suzuki fan, i have one, good price and mine is set up not to be very loud.

Thanks Mike will check them out :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 27, 2010, 03:11:41 am
From what I have read, the decel popping will always be there, even worse with an aftermarket pipe.
Usually a lean condition.
Std carb jetting, lean off idle, rich midrange, lean WOT
With the Dynojet, you try sort those problems out

What the US guys do is make it a bit richer with the fuel screw to minimise the sound.



Thanks for the feedback Manfred
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 27, 2010, 07:13:02 am
Pleasure Pistonslap.

Madmike999, how much would an airage can go for..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Rob_A on August 27, 2010, 07:30:41 am
Pleasure Pistonslap.

Madmike999, how much would an airage can go for..?


And what options do you have to make it quieter?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 27, 2010, 07:35:17 am
Apparently drill the holes in the baffle much larger.
Read this on one of the KLR sites
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on August 27, 2010, 07:36:22 am
What is the usable fuel in a standard DR650 fuel tank?  I thought it was the full 13l but I had the bike showing signs of running low on reserve.  Bike died and I shook the bike and leaned it over to the left.  I was 100m from a petrol station and it died again at the pump.  When I filled up it took 10.9 litres? Bike was ran smoothly after I filled up.  Thought there may be a blockage but I had switched to reserve more than 20km back.  bike has been running fine for 200km since.  Any ideas?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 27, 2010, 07:43:46 am
When doing shorter distances, mine used to hit reserve at 200km's.
Filled up with about 10 litres or so.

I know there is a certain amount of fuel on the right that doesnt get used.
Maybe you didnt get all the fuel over to the left when you leaned it over.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 27, 2010, 07:52:33 am
Tank takes 13l when dry.
Typically a standard tank DR will do 200km before hitting the reserve, take 10l of juice at that moment and run for another 60km on reserve until dry.
Not more than a few 100ml in the right lobe of teh tank. Don't rely on it ;D

Not sure if cali models have some emission kark fitted into the tank. Should still not be 2l, more like a litre or less then a litre difference.

Cali models recognisable externally from the soup bowl perched on top of fender taillight. Internal difference non adjustable carb main jet needle.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: madmike999 on August 27, 2010, 08:52:24 am
around ±R2000.oo maybe less, i know that some baffles can be removed, and speak to jerry and see what he can do. watch out he is quiet a character, but a master at his job. Try info for the # :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 27, 2010, 09:01:54 am
Re pipes - I had an airage on my previous bike - too loud and a hard crack to the sound. Too extrovert for me  ::)

My second dr came with a tornado (google them). Much deeper note. Much happier rider  :thumleft:

RE dj kit

I personally feel - after much tinkering and thinkering - that the dj kit is probably not necessary for Jozi riders. I think the kit is best suited to those riding at sea level, where the rich needle comes into its own.

I live in Jozi. Played with the needle rich and lean. The best setting I've found so far is close to my original dj setting - 150 main and needle on second clip from top. The bike definitely pulls stronger in the midrange. Starts immediately and runs sweet! I would definitely take a richer jet with me on my travels down to the coast.

FWIW ... opening the airbox is a must with the dj kit. Once done, more frequent air filter cleaning is essential - especially if you ride offroad a lot. Another essential is the extended fuel mixture screw. Makes fine tuning idle and low rpms much easier.

The best thing, by far, about the dj kit - is the upgrade in the rider's knowledge. I've learn't a shootload and still have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 27, 2010, 09:04:13 am
Well put Jenks
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 27, 2010, 09:09:42 am
Thanks bud  -

We must still go riding sometime eh  :ricky:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 27, 2010, 09:12:16 am
Definitely.  Wanna get these tyres down to near smooth.
Then start looking for some serious tyres.

Got a Mikuni Main 142.5 from DylanDR.  Wanna see if that is any better than the Dynojet Main 155 which was too rich.
Hopefully get some time on sunday to install it.
The fiddling just doesnt stop  LOL
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: madmike999 on August 27, 2010, 09:31:36 am
go the airage and order the pipe you want, he will build it!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Berty77 on August 27, 2010, 09:44:32 pm
Sorry to interrupt guys. If any of you were looking for a replacement tachometer/revcounter, pls look in the ads section.
Brand new and SGP (original) part. Thanx guys.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Martin-DR650 on August 28, 2010, 11:43:47 am
Look what came home the day before yesterday...... :pot:

Can't wait to get it on some dirt/sand agen.

Got about 6800km's on the old D606.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on August 28, 2010, 09:54:18 pm
I am de-cluttering my man cave
I have about 8 to 10 litres of 2 stroke oil if anyone needs.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 29, 2010, 09:01:42 am
And you're posting this on the DR650 thread ???
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Mr. Python on August 29, 2010, 08:57:14 pm
And you're posting this on the DR650 thread ???

Because I didn't check what thread I clicked on muhaha - was one of those days  :lamer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 30, 2010, 07:35:02 am
howzit all

Any new recommendations for a rear tyre? I do 80 street 20 dirt.

My stock trailwing is almost sat. Maybe just go with another trailwing??
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 30, 2010, 10:56:11 am
I like the Dunlop D606's as they seemed to last quite long but the next one's I'll get are the Mitas E-09 tyres. The Michelin T63's seem to "tear" but I guess it is from too many wheelies :ricky:

Results guys? What jetteing are you guys in gauteng running and with what needle settings? And how (In your opinion) well does it work? What top speed are you getting?
Just want to know as I have played with the jetting but I'm not fully convinced that it is top notch at present.
Would be nice to know what settings you guys are happy with.

Cheers Dyl
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 11:27:59 am
Extended fuel screw 1 turn out (still playing with these settings)
Dynojet needle, clip on 3rd position.
Dynojet main, 150

Midrange pulls strong.  Top end is about 140-150.  Dont really take it much there.
When I get some time, will try that Mikuni 142.5 you loaned me dylandr.

For the other guys, the Mikuni 140 main jet is roughly the equivalent of the Dynojet 150.
I tried the Dynojet 155 main, but this was too rich.
I dont have a Dynojet 152.5, so I'm trying the Mikuni 142.5 main jet.

So if this doesnt work, then Im back to my original settings above.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on August 30, 2010, 11:46:46 am
Seem to be lot going on in the dark art of jetting for the DR in Gauteng currently. I know jenks, manfred, myself, Dylandr, Pistonslap, and propably various others are currently experimenting, or considering it.

How about a get together at some time to discuss our frustrations, what works, and what doesn't, other trips & tricks etc? I know there are quite a lot of variable's ( airbox, snorkel, exhaust, etc) that influence the tuning, but at least it is a start. I am sure there are a couple of mistakes you guys have gone through that I have yet to learn. Maybe another tech-day?

I think Jenks has the most experience and I'm sure he will have some valuable information on the subject. Maybe somewhere central  ( lonehill, fourway, midrand)?, any dust free environment so we can show and tell.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 11:51:05 am
Just to add, my airbox has been opened for my settings posted above.

LOL, it is a dark art.
What usually gets done is getting settings from the US guys, they trying to adapt to SA conditions.
As you see, we are still playing with the jetting.  But its fun.
A get together sounds good.  What thinks you other guys..?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 11:52:10 am
Does anyone know a quick way to set your idling at about 1500 without having to buy a trailtech
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: acidfreak on August 30, 2010, 12:08:37 pm
Hi Guys, sorry for the hijack!! What size is the 650's standard tank and will it fit my DRZ400E?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 12:11:58 pm
13 litres, dont think it would fit.  Even if it did, the seats are different.
DR has a steeper angle than the DRZ
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 12:14:02 pm
Why not get a plastic one if you looking for more volume.
And it would be lighter than the stock DR tank
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 30, 2010, 12:49:36 pm
+1
I think it would look a bit shyte with a DR tank. Get a plastic one.

Think a tech day would be great.... manfred, I've got a 152.5 as well. Should have asked. You can come around and get it anytime.
It would be good to test ride someone's bike that "PULLS HARD" just as a comparison to mine.
I think I'd go for a DJ needle if the increase can be felt.
My airbox is open, 1 3/4 turns on the fuel screw, 3rd clip position with a 145 mikuni jet.
Sure it pulls nice but WE ALWAYS STRIVE FOR MORE DON"T WE?  :laughing4:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 01:02:18 pm
DylanDR, you have the 152.5 Mikuni, that would be about a 162.5 Dynojet.

Waaaaay too big   ;D

I'll pull around some time.
You can ride mine and see if it is worth it.

Do you have the whole top of the airbox cut out..?
1 3/4 might be a bit rich for the fuel screw
But then again, I have the extended fuel screw, profiles might be different.
3rd clip position is the std setting on the OEM one isnt it..?
Try position 4, but then it might be too rich with the Mikuni 145 main as you have the OEM exhaust.
Like Pielas said, the Dark Art of jetting, it never stops

What were your settings when you were getting that great topened..?

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: acidfreak on August 30, 2010, 02:07:51 pm
Thanks guys, I looked around and new tanks are quite expensive....   :lamer:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 02:12:23 pm
Runner might have some used ones, give him a shout
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: acidfreak on August 30, 2010, 02:18:04 pm
Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: CHorse on August 30, 2010, 02:24:03 pm
I am also keen for a DR tech day, have been playing with mixture and needle settings but it is a bit like shooting in the dark.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Manfred on August 30, 2010, 02:27:59 pm
Cool.  so where would the central place be..?

Im PTA East
DylanDR  and CHorse is Centurion
Jenks is in JHB side
Pistonslap is Randburg
Not sure where Pielas is
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: pielas on August 30, 2010, 02:58:27 pm
Also Centurion

Anyplace is fine with me.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 30, 2010, 03:48:44 pm
Anywhere is cool.

I've lost track about 3 months ago when other stuff became priority.
I actually can't remember what jet I have in the carb. It is ok for now, but we all strive for a speed/power demon.
I have a few 12mm holes drilled in the airbox. The stock suast is lekker cause it lets me get in and out of places without being noticed too much.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on August 30, 2010, 04:42:40 pm
howzit all

Any new recommendations for a rear tyre? I do 80 street 20 dirt.

My stock trailwing is almost sat. Maybe just go with another trailwing??

As recommended by Le Cape (My next upgrade)

Kings KT 966 3.00x21 5.10x17

Price from Suzuki South
21"  R495
17"  R855
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 30, 2010, 08:29:32 pm
Yeah I like that kings. Thanks bud  :thumleft: I'll mosey on over to Suzuki South - edit - shite I forgot I'm in Jozi! Anyone know a Jozi stockist??

I'm also keen on a tech day again. Sat is best for me. Any place.

Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 31, 2010, 07:16:51 am
Just got back from 1200km back roads to north of lesotho , left Sunday morn at 5am camped in Clarens will do an rr sometime

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/IMG_2422.jpg)

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(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/IMG_2288.jpg)

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(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/IMG_2244.jpg)

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/IMG_2219.jpg)

(http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk451/ayami1974/IMG_2402.jpg)

its a fantastic travel bike...this thing is economical, uses almost half the fuel of my XR650R  :o granted has half the grunt

I found a rear can for the K2 gsxr 1000 thanks Pielas for all your info on that and gonna fit the can drill those holes in my carb asap :thumleft: and join you folks with the jetting mission

The bike did well needs 10% stiffer rear shock, mine stock standard does ok performance wise just could use better throttl response. the handling is good when you get used to the geometry the front is quite tichy on the gravel corners when loaded, am super happy with the front eibach straight rate springs and 8w oil they soft on the small hits and corrugations and work on the bigger hits.











Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 31, 2010, 07:36:32 am
Yes, it's a dr!!!:

http://thekneeslider.com/

(picked this up from advrider)
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: jenks on August 31, 2010, 07:38:08 am
Stunning pics ps! Nice to have a photographer on this thread.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 31, 2010, 07:47:01 am
Stunning pics ps! Nice to have a photographer on this thread.

Thanks jenks, had a point and squirt and was on a mission so unfortunately didnt take too many pics.. busy sorting through them will post them sometime :thumleft:
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: lecap on August 31, 2010, 07:54:35 am
As recommended by Le Cap (My next upgrade)

Kings KT 966 3.00x21 5.10x17

Price from Suzuki South
21"  R495
17"  R855

Very good prices. Is it fitted & balanced or loose tires?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 31, 2010, 08:46:57 am
Anyone know where theres stock on d606 in jburg for DR been phoning around with no luck?
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Griffin on August 31, 2010, 11:13:46 am
As recommended by Le Cap (My next upgrade)

Kings KT 966 3.00x21 5.10x17

Price from Suzuki South
21"  R495
17"  R855

Very good prices. Is it fitted & balanced or loose tires?
Loose
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: dylandr on August 31, 2010, 12:38:44 pm
Yes, it's a dr!!!:

http://thekneeslider.com/

(picked this up from advrider)

Eish... poor DR :'(
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Cacher on August 31, 2010, 06:57:43 pm
My BIL and I have drawn up a rack in CAD that is cut out of a single piece of ssteel included a bottle opener on the back ..it bolts straight on the DR650 (newer model) will post pics as soon as its back from laser cutting hope it works out :P

nice,  a bottle opener - critical equipment on a ride.
as sexy as my Kykdaar Monster Lugage RackTM ?

Bottle opener is crucial for DS riding  :P looks sort of ok on screen will see when its cut.
This is a basic mock up xcept the bends on the wings wont be as sharp as its a bend and not a weld

Pistonslap - How did that rack come out?  I'm looking at doing something similar and thus the more ideas and tips the better.
Title: Re: The DR650 thread
Post by: Hondsiff Honda on August 31, 2010, 07:20:37 pm
My BIL and I have drawn up a rack in CAD that is cut out of a single piece of ssteel included a bottle opener on the back ..it bolts straight on the DR650 (newer model) will post pics as soon as its back from laser cutting hope it works out :P

nice,  a bottle opener - critical equipment on a ride.
as sexy as my Kykdaar Monster Lugage RackTM ?

Bottle opener is crucial for DS riding  :P looks sort of ok on screen will see when its cut.
This is a basic mock up xcept the bends on the wings wont be as sharp as its a bend and not a weld

Pistonslap - How did that rack come out?  I'm looking at doing something similar and thus the more ideas and tips the better.

Catcher its still at the laser cutters! sent in a new drawing for the exhaust flange to fit the gsxr1000 k2 can will coll all together...TBO I dont think I really need a rack? I put duct tape on the fender to protect and couple o strips of draft seal sponge and lashed my bags to the hand rails works fine? mabe Im missing something? did need a bottle opener though and had to use my foot peg .... not ideal :P

Made some temp quick fork guards from pvc for the rocks on recent trip, worked ok as they got scuffed, will make some neater ones this week mabe...ordered a stiffer spring for the rear and think Im going to go for the trailtech HID setup for the front light and then lastly hide all the Suzuki branding so everyone doesnt look so dissapointed when I tell them its a suki ;D   joke
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