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Title: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 07, 2020, 06:05:39 pm
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.

So far the closest would be the 390 Adventure... Let's have your comments please?
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Edgar on September 07, 2020, 06:17:35 pm
Honda CRF 250
Kawasaki Versys 300
BMW 300 GS
Big Boy TSR 250
KTM 390

Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Edgar on September 07, 2020, 06:18:31 pm
Have you takenbit for a test drive? I liked the bike.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 07, 2020, 06:22:35 pm
I've ridden the Honda crf Rallye and was impressed.... Just felt a little underpowered.
My CRF230 is more responsive.
Not interested in the baby beemer.....
The fuel range on the KTM seems better as well as top end.
Still would like to try the versus 300 as well.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 07, 2020, 06:24:23 pm
Price comparison is also to be less than R100k.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 08:07:20 pm
What type of riding ? The Versus is a small twin so itís going to need more revs than a 390. Open sections it should be good but I would take a 390 single before the Versys. If only they put some spoked wheels on the 390 Adv
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: frankmac on September 07, 2020, 08:32:29 pm
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.

So far the closest would be the 390 Adventure... Let's have your comments please?

Have a word with @Minxy, Tom. I see she posted riding the 390 on FB

https://www.facebook.com/barbara.muszynski/posts/10158808565231972
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 07, 2020, 08:33:52 pm
I've watched some videos of the 390 launch in India, and the alloy rims did some real pounding over rocks without apparent damage... Are spoked rims really better?... Apart from being able to bang them into shape again.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 07, 2020, 08:38:41 pm
On a side note, and having only SAT on it recently, I do think it is streets ahead of the BMW 310, so much so that it feels in a different class, I was impressed by it(the KTM 390).


Felt like a bigger bike...
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 07, 2020, 09:04:38 pm
I've watched some videos of the 390 launch in India, and the alloy rims did some real pounding over rocks without apparent damage... Are spoked rims really better?... Apart from being able to bang them into shape again.
Watch Jimmy Lewis 390 videos, he mentions rim damage.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Psycho Porra on September 07, 2020, 09:40:21 pm
Whatyou going to retire your TransAap now TommyNever thought I would live to see the day


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Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 08, 2020, 05:29:52 am
Hey Porra!..... That ol Transalp is still running after 15 odd years!... Thinking of something new, but not too heavy....
Used to have a Beemer, but am better now!  :laughing4: >:D
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: roxenz on September 08, 2020, 05:42:50 am
I think Zontes also makes a 300? But in my view, the best light adv bike is still a DRZ400. If you can find a clean low milage one.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Psycho Porra on September 08, 2020, 07:44:08 am
Hey Porra!..... That ol Transalp is still running after 15 odd years!... Thinking of something new, but not too heavy....
Used to have a Beemer, but am better now!  :laughing4: >:D
Glad you better now. What about that 300 Versys advertised on here?


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Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 08, 2020, 07:47:31 am
Tommy for the the riding you will be doing and 90% of the riding the rest of us do the cast rims will not be a problem at all. I tested rode all the 300+ cc bikes and the KTM is the better bike with the Versys second and only because I found the seat very uncomfortable and it didnt have the low down poke of the 390(Needs to be revved to get going). That 390 is as smooth as a twin and runs like a train.

I said I would buy one when Brad Binder won his first race  :peepwall:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 08, 2020, 07:48:13 am
Hey Porra!..... That ol Transalp is still running after 15 odd years!... Thinking of something new, but not too heavy....
Used to have a Beemer, but am better now!  :laughing4: >:D
Glad you better now. What about that 300 Versys advertised on here?


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That would be a good buy.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Minxy on September 08, 2020, 07:51:03 am
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.

So far the closest would be the 390 Adventure... Let's have your comments please?

Have a word with @Minxy, Tom. I see she posted riding the 390 on FB

https://www.facebook.com/barbara.muszynski/posts/10158808565231972

I'll post reply soon, just SUPER busy at work :D
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: BuRP on September 08, 2020, 10:49:34 am
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.


... Let's have your comments please?

Wait for The KTM 490 Adv / Husky 501 to be released, this is likely to be another popular saleshit like the 790 is!
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 08, 2020, 12:19:09 pm
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.


... Let's have your comments please?

Wait for The KTM 490 Adv / Husky 501 to be released, this is likely to be another popular saleshit like the 790 is!
Yes but likely north of R100 000-00
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 08, 2020, 01:14:52 pm
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.


... Let's have your comments please?

Wait for The KTM 490 Adv / Husky 501 to be released, this is likely to be another popular saleshit like the 790 is!
Yes but likely north of R100 000-00
Will be way way north of a 100k. The 390 is at R94k i think.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 08, 2020, 01:27:59 pm
I heard that Alfie Cox has them on a special at R79k?
Don't know if that was for their demo units though....
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Fransw on September 08, 2020, 01:30:48 pm
Tubeless? :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 08, 2020, 01:31:58 pm
Tubeless? :thumleft:
yes
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Fransw on September 08, 2020, 01:34:17 pm
Tubeless? :thumleft:
yes

Very nice! I like..
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 08, 2020, 01:42:46 pm
I heard that Alfie Cox has them on a special at R79k?
Don't know if that was for their demo units though....
I know KTM Durban said they could do a brand new unit for R87k. Im always wary of buying demo KTM,s  :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 08, 2020, 01:49:06 pm
I heard that Alfie Cox has them on a special at R79k?
Don't know if that was for their demo units though....
I know KTM Durban said they could do a brand new unit for R87k. Im always wary of buying demo KTM,s  :pot:
Speak to Baron KTM Durban. Very lekker guy to deal with  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Minxy on September 08, 2020, 08:50:40 pm
Ok.... Looking at a lighter bike in the 400 - 500 range.

So far the closest would be the 390 Adventure... Let's have your comments please?

Have a word with @Minxy, Tom. I see she posted riding the 390 on FB

https://www.facebook.com/barbara.muszynski/posts/10158808565231972

I'll post reply soon, just SUPER busy at work :D

I've been very fortunate the last while and got to try this as well as the 790S. I must say I was the most excited about trying this one haha!

So, it looks almost identical to the 790, minus the belly :D It has the same tablet type interface and features as the 790S (MTC, ABS, also Street and Offroad modes). Honestly you get a lot of big bike features on this small bike.

I am 1.76m and sit quite comfortably without feeling cramped. We did around 250km for the day and I also didn't feel tired. On the tar we got a max speed of about 155km, offroad 145km on a really smooth dirt road. A comfortable speed on tar was 130km. A big concern for me was the wheels. I did slow down quite a bit for all the obstacles, I would not want to jump this bike with these wheels :D Also I must mention the suspension. It was surprisingly fine on the tweespoor roads, agile, nimble, lekker to throw around in corners. It was not bad in the sand either, (also considering it has 19" front wheel). Where it did come short was on the shitty corrugated/ bumpy dirt roads. You can feel that 170mm of travel just isn't going to cut it. So yes, I found myself taking these roads much slower than usual. The problem here is if you are riding along and get surprised by a ditch or whatever, you are going to have a bad time. The bike does not have a steering stabilizer either, so the focus was really not high speed dirt road riding when they built it.

Overall I really did like it though. It was FUN!!! Would I buy one? Not as it is, because it just isn't offroad focused enough for what I like to do. It had me thinking though there is a huge gap in the smaller adv bike market. There were SO many riders, and not just ladies either asking me about this bike. If they build a decent "R" version to make it a bit more versatile, I would probably get one. People who don't mind taking things slow or aren't toooooo offroad focused should enjoy this one though.  It can also be a fun bike for a novice to learn on, then move onto something bigger when they are ready. A great bike for a lady who is starting out as well because it really isn't intimidating, or even just to use as a nifty little commuter.

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Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 09, 2020, 06:43:19 pm
I had a look at the 390 Adventure in Bloem today, and was quite impressed with the quality . Cable clutch which I like. Service access to oil filter and air filter is easy.
On the weight issue, it felt really lekker and would be great for a toppie like me, who's getting older and not-so-fit anymore!
The bike looks quite "short" in length, but obviously would be more manueverable in tight situations.
My type of riding is not so much on technical terrain anymore, so I reckon the rims should be ok, although I'm still wary of tubeless "mags" (coming from an old school bike.)
(I've still got my CRF230 for heavy technical terrain)
Cruising speeds of up to 120-130kph are fine with me. Fuel consumption seems good, giving a range of around 400km per tank.

I still like the CRF 250 Rally, but the cruising speed is a little low for longer trips. (The Honda 250 Rally is on special at R68k now.)

What do do? :o :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: HAMSTER on September 10, 2020, 07:08:07 am
Me thinks you are a Honda man  ;D
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 10, 2020, 07:56:39 am
@Minxy hijack on, where is this track ? I recognize the Loodswaai parts and Rhenosterkop but not this one.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Minxy on September 10, 2020, 09:11:14 am
@Minxy hijack on, where is this track ? I recognize the Loodswaai parts and Rhenosterkop but not this one.

This is in the Rhenosterkop area as well, pm me your email address and I can forward you the route.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 10, 2020, 06:07:52 pm
My next question is how soon does the fancy electronic display have to be upgraded?
My Garmin Zumo 400 is apparently now obsolete and can't be upgraded any more.

I keep my bikes a long time and my concern is that I'll be charged an arm and a leg for upgrade /replacement....
What's the expected lifespan of all this sophistication?
Can the bike run if the display fails and I'm in the middle of nowhere?  :patch:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 10, 2020, 08:31:42 pm
My next question is how soon does the fancy electronic display have to be upgraded?
My Garmin Zumo 400 is apparently now obsolete and can't be upgraded any more.

I keep my bikes a long time and my concern is that I'll be charged an arm and a leg for upgrade /replacement....
What's the expected lifespan of all this sophistication?
Can the bike run if the display fails and I'm in the middle of nowhere?  :patch:

This is a Indian KTM thread, what are you asking about keeping a bike for a long time? :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 10, 2020, 09:09:26 pm
I'm hoping to find out if KTM backup is consistent and for how long?

... At least they've got bikes to see and ride!..... Haven't seen a real life T7 yet!
And the supposed price of the Yamaha is rediculously over the top... Looks like they want money up front before they import anything?.... Promises like the Anc?  O0
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Grumpleton on September 11, 2020, 06:27:09 am
I have not Ridden this 390 Adventure yet but I have ridden the 390 duke, and the power comparison to me is much in the same as the DRZ400 and that is still the bike that I rate as the best duel sports bike out there , if you can find them at a good price
I have sat on the 390 Adventure and found it to be tall , but then I like a tall bike.

I think its a far better bike than any of the other manufacturers have on offer, but then my blood runs orange as well.

the honda crf 450 L is way under powerd  25 HP and for 3 HP less you may as well have the crf 250L 22 HP with better mpg and service intervals.

KTM 390 HP 43
DRZ 400 HP  48
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 11, 2020, 07:31:39 am
My next question is how soon does the fancy electronic display have to be upgraded?
My Garmin Zumo 400 is apparently now obsolete and can't be upgraded any more.

I keep my bikes a long time and my concern is that I'll be charged an arm and a leg for upgrade /replacement....
What's the expected lifespan of all this sophistication?
Can the bike run if the display fails and I'm in the middle of nowhere?  :patch:
The display doesnt work off an "operating software" like a cell phone,tablet or gps. There maybe upgrades to features in the future but no "operating software" updates per se. Basically dont worry about  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 11, 2020, 07:34:17 am
Keep an eye on this You Tube link


This chap really has great, informative ,honest reviews and tests. He will test ride this machine proper  :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Battlestar on September 13, 2020, 03:05:51 pm
Video now available. Very good review 👍
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on September 13, 2020, 03:38:53 pm


Quote from: Grumpleton on September 11, 2020, 06:27:09 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=251150.msg4517495#msg4517495)

>the honda crf 450 L is way under powerd  25 HP and for 3 HP less you may as well have the crf 250L 22 HP with better mpg and service intervals.

True,but in the next couple of weeks, I BELIEVE Honda  SA will release FIFTY CRF450Lís into the SA market, all of which will have the American Ďspecí and American ECUís fitted, with a truly massive increase in power; uncorcked indeed!
But I get your comments;VERY interesting bike the 390...
Cheers
Chris


Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 13, 2020, 04:00:09 pm
"Because it's a KTM we expect performance to be better than on a comparable bike from another brand"

KTM has sort of dug themselves into a bit of a hole with their "ready to race" slogan, and it looks like they are finding that that mantra is costing them reliability.

This test on the 390, while good, is only over a "couple of hundred Kays", and even on the 790, riders managed that before the gremlins struck.

In fact, even a Chinese thing may survive a few hundred kays with "everything thrown at it"

As you can see, I am sceptical. As I was with the GS310, which turned out rubbish, despite it being declared by a SA tester as the best there is.........
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on September 13, 2020, 04:02:15 pm
I have to keep you guys critical in the face of a Chinese/Indian onslaught. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Grumpleton on September 13, 2020, 07:44:27 pm


Quote from: Grumpleton on September 11, 2020, 06:27:09 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=251150.msg4517495#msg4517495)

>the honda crf 450 L is way under powerd  25 HP and for 3 HP less you may as well have the crf 250L 22 HP with better mpg and service intervals.

True,but in the next couple of weeks, I BELIEVE Honda  SA will release FIFTY CRF450Lís into the SA market, all of which will have the American Ďspecí and American ECUís fitted, with a truly massive increase in power; uncorcked indeed!
But I get your comments;VERY interesting bike the 390...
Cheers
Chris


but possibly only 50 more than likely less because the crf450L has been homiligated for the lesser power unit.so Unless they go through the whole exercise again , it will not be worth while for them to do this .
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 14, 2020, 10:23:33 am
The Bike Show reviews it as well. I reckon this is a good review. Donovan states that it has limitations because if the suspension travel and wheels which is 100% correct. Good bike but it is not a serious offroad tool which I think many was hoping for. I'm interested to see what the 490/501 will be like. Good comparison to other small adv bikes at the end by Mat as well.

Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: BuRP on September 27, 2020, 06:10:42 pm
Awesome review of Ryan F9!

Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: petri oosthuizen on September 27, 2020, 06:23:26 pm
Tommy - vir wat dit werd is.........Honda Bloem het Special op die 250 Rally - omtrent R 68000 vir die kaalgat een en die specced een is R 74900.

Sluit in crash bars, pannier frames, rear carrier en 'n helmet.

Not bad, as dit jou tipe Bike is.

Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: BLK on September 27, 2020, 06:28:38 pm
I have found this to be the most professional video to date that I know of regarding the 390Adv.Worth a watch.

Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: Tommy Transalp on September 28, 2020, 12:46:23 pm
Tommy - vir wat dit werd is.........Honda Bloem het Special op die 250 Rally - omtrent R 68000 vir die kaalgat een en die specced een is R 74900.

Sluit in crash bars, pannier frames, rear carrier en 'n helmet.

Not bad, as dit jou tipe Bike is.

Hullo Petri..... Ja, daai Klein Rallye is mooi, maar ek is effens bekommerd dat dit net genoeg oomph het oppi oopad...... veral met n tent en bietjie gewig op. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: sidetrack on September 28, 2020, 01:36:50 pm
Tommy - vir wat dit werd is.........Honda Bloem het Special op die 250 Rally - omtrent R 68000 vir die kaalgat een en die specced een is R 74900.

Sluit in crash bars, pannier frames, rear carrier en 'n helmet.

Not bad, as dit jou tipe Bike is.
Hi Petri is jy seker, ek sien die CRF250L lys vir R75 000 volgens hulle website. Ek kyk dalk na n 250L teen daai prys van 68k as dit n 2020 model is.
Title: Re: KTM 390 Adventure?
Post by: petri oosthuizen on September 28, 2020, 01:41:38 pm
Tommy - vir wat dit werd is.........Honda Bloem het Special op die 250 Rally - omtrent R 68000 vir die kaalgat een en die specced een is R 74900.

Sluit in crash bars, pannier frames, rear carrier en 'n helmet.

Not bad, as dit jou tipe Bike is.
Hi Petri is jy seker, ek sien die CRF250L lys vir R75 000 volgens hulle website. Ek kyk dalk na n 250L teen daai prys van 68k as dit n 2020 model is.

Ja beslis..........Honda Wing (Central??) in Bloem.

Maar jy moet hulle bel, daai Rally Special is nie op die website gelist nie, weet nie hoekom nie. Ek dink Special is tot einde Oktober.

Maar beslis........so omternt R 67/68 vir die "kaalgat" een, en R 74900 vir die op gedolliede Rally.

Verlede week met hulle gechat.