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Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on October 02, 2020, 08:15:21 am
Are we going to have a different manufacturer win this year . . . ???
I am sure that i will be forgiven for skelmpies shouting for a certain Yamaha rider . . .  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Clockwork Orange on October 02, 2020, 11:31:26 am
 :thumleft: I wont be skelm about it....Ross all the way!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cracker on October 02, 2020, 03:10:07 pm
He's riding a Yamaha??

Jeez, talk about doing things the hard way .........................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on November 12, 2020, 06:12:54 pm
See Gazoo is fielding 4 crews in the 2021 Dakar and one of the navigators are named Brett Cummings. Is that the Brett that has done a couple of Malle Motos?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on November 12, 2020, 06:17:59 pm
See Gazoo is fielding 4 crews in the 2021 Dakar and one of the navigators are named Brett Cummings. Is that the Brett that has done a couple of Malle Motos?
I will ask his uncle . 😎
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: windswept on November 12, 2020, 07:33:57 pm
I reckon it is the same Brett that did the Dakar. Rallyerider 2 on WDs.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on November 13, 2020, 06:13:08 am
And Tye in a cage navigating  :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on November 13, 2020, 07:36:34 am
I reckon it is the same Brett that did the Dakar. Rallyerider 2 on WDs.

Confirmed by his uncle, Brett is with Henk Lategan in the Hilux, they won the championship this year so high hope.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on November 13, 2020, 07:50:47 am
This years route looks like an oval track around Jeddah  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on November 13, 2020, 09:13:13 am
:thumleft: I wont be skelm about it....Ross all the way!!

Thats why they sped the money !  Slowly wear you down Ha Ha
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on November 13, 2020, 09:18:13 am
And Tye in a cage navigating  :P

With Brian - they have been working hard - they look good!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 14, 2020, 01:41:47 pm
This uncle says it's an all new route, every bit of it and they have deliberately made it slower and more technical. Every stage includes dunes (last year I learnt that that isn't as obvious as I thought it might be, it's isn't just sand everywhere over there)

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 14, 2020, 01:49:16 pm
An Article on Toyota Gazoo Racing's 2021 Dakar efforts:

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/toyota-gazoo-racing-to-field-four-new-hilux-at-2021-dakar-rally/

(https://content.presspage.com/uploads/1523/800_tgr-dkr-138.jpg?10000)

complete with a pic of Brett whom some of us were fortunate enough to meet at his Wild Dogs Dakar fundraiser a couple of years ago, in case there was still any doubt it isn't the same chap now navigating in a bakkie :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on November 16, 2020, 09:56:58 pm
Thanks to all for the support. I look forward to reading this feed after Dakar. Here are some pics of our training last week in Namibia.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gser on November 17, 2020, 11:37:22 am
Sub  . . . .
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Post by: Spectaitor on November 17, 2020, 12:00:39 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on November 17, 2020, 02:31:12 pm
Looking forward to the race
Go Honda and Yamaha!!!!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on November 17, 2020, 02:36:12 pm
S-U-B!!

Lekker to have an actual factory crew member on here.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 19, 2020, 02:37:30 pm
By: Sergio Lillo | motorsport.com (http://motorsport.com)
The 2021 Dakar Rally will feature the lowest participation of the last 25 editions as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Compared to the 541 participants (334 vehicles) of the last South American edition in Peru in 2019, and the 563 (342 vehicles) of the first Saudi edition in 2020, the 2021 Dakar will have 440 participants (266 vehicles), according to the provisional entry list published by organiser Amaury Sport Organisation.

This represents a 22% drop in participants and a 24% drop in registrations, the lowest since 1995.

Despite the significant drop in entries, there will be no shortage of favourites in motorcycles, with all KTM, Honda, Husqvarna, Yamaha, Hero and Sherco riders in the list.

In the cars category, Carlos Sainz Sr and Lucas Cruz will sport the #300 after winning their third Dakar this year.

The rest of the top drivers will be also there, including Nasser Al-Attiyah, Stephane Peterhansel, Sebastien Loeb with the new BRX T1, Nani Roma, Giniel de Villiers, Yazeed Al Rajhi and Jakub Przygonski.

In addition, it remains to be seen how many will be registered for the new Dakar Classic, the regularity competition for historic vehicles that aims to revive the legacy of the rally.

“We know that we will have less competitors, that’s almost for sure,” he said.

“We have worked a little on the price offer, but we will surely lose registrations due to the world economic situation. The important thing is to be able to go ahead with the 2021 Dakar in Saudi Arabia.”

Castera and the roadbook team have been completing the route of the 43rd edition of the Dakar several times since last September. The event will be officially presented on November 25.

The number of participants is still subject to change, as there are usually last-minute changes ahead of the start of the event.

Source: motorsport.com https://rallystar.net/dakar-2021-participation-the-lowest-in-25-years/ (https://rallystar.net/dakar-2021-participation-the-lowest-in-25-years/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on November 19, 2020, 03:42:25 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: m0lt3n on November 19, 2020, 03:58:25 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.

Yes please

I think sometimes you get some non-standard issues we dont always realize, share some ideas or solutions or drama moments....we are hungry for anything
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ross Riddle on November 24, 2020, 11:57:17 am
SUB! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: chicco on November 24, 2020, 12:55:26 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooies on November 24, 2020, 01:02:51 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 24, 2020, 08:32:34 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 24, 2020, 08:50:27 pm
A summary of the key changes made to the rules, by Long Way Home.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on November 24, 2020, 09:17:40 pm
- No fixing in the fuel stops is going to make things interesting. Fuel stops are neutralised zones, so there are no penalties for fixing your bike in them. Now if you want to fix your bike, you are going to have to do it in the timed section. So every second spent fixing it is going to cost.

- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

- Speed zones? Not sure where they'll have them, but from experience, it's boring trying to stay within a k or 2 of a limit for hours on end if the track is ok. It's flipping hard when the track can't be ridden safely at the speed limit, because you slow down for the tricky bits and then want to open up for the flatter stuff only to have to remember not to go over the limit.

- Airbags, can only be a good thing for safety, I bet the wallet is going to sting badly!

There is a classic division where anything that raced pre-2000 is allowed in. Wonder what'll be in there?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 25, 2020, 02:00:22 pm
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on November 25, 2020, 02:40:59 pm
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mark250gp on November 25, 2020, 04:28:05 pm
Health and Safety regulations are destroying everything, make two classes in all racing!

Class one for the bunny huggers and all their restrictions, class two for the brave that dont mind risking their lives with no restrictions on anything, full speed flat out, flat taps on machines that are at the pinnacle of development.

And then the same at Olympics, a class for the slow people and the second class for people so full of roids their dicks have fallen off and their tits have shriveled up.

I know which races I'll watch.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cracker on November 26, 2020, 11:11:30 am
The tyre problem can be solved by developing tyres that last longer, perhaps use 50/50s or similar. Whatever will last 2 or 3 days of hard riding.

Then the fast guy can still ring it's neck, he'll just be travelling a bit slower.

In essence, he'll be riding a crap bike as fast as he can. Same goes for the slow guy.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 26, 2020, 03:14:31 pm
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.

This right there :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: I&horse on November 26, 2020, 04:21:33 pm
Almost time again!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 26, 2020, 08:00:27 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on December 01, 2020, 05:23:01 pm
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?

Hey Dutchie i also agree with you. These top guys go there with their super fast bikes to go and and ride superfast  . . .  >:(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on December 01, 2020, 05:27:37 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.

Yes for sure any bits u are allowed to share on those awesome sounding bakkies will be much appreciated. 8)
And huge congrats to you guys getting the nod for the Dakar we will be supporting you guys for sure  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on December 02, 2020, 10:12:10 am
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Also, sad to see VW has stopped all their Factory Racing projects.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:05:18 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:11:30 pm
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Indeed, 2022 apparently.



Gaan nie lieg nie, daai prentjie van die Audi onder die seil maak my bietjie jags.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2020, 04:15:56 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
No money for sponsors?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:19:07 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
No money for sponsors?

Probably spot on with that. This Covid thing man  >:(


Just a nice vid from and of Simon Marcic looking the part in every regard.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2020, 04:30:39 pm
Ross Branch is on the list, he is part Saffer... >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dux on December 04, 2020, 10:27:29 am
David Knight entered as a rookie  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 04, 2020, 11:19:54 am
David Knight entered as a rookie  :biggrin:

It looks like he's confirmed now.  :thumleft:

He had a main sponsor pull out recently and he had to start up a GoFundMe to try and raise the shortfall in really short time. Even as late as early to mid November it was still not certain if he'll be able to go. He had to make the final decision (know if he'll have enough cash raised) by 1 December, the date the bikes get shipped for the race and it looks like he's indeed remaining on the entry list and will race.

There's no doubt that the man has immense trials and enduro talent and he says he's been training exclusively for the Dakar for the last 18 months.

This has the potential to be pretty damn interesting. :sip:

EDIT: Knighter's GoFundMe (https://www.gofundme.com/f/knighter-to-dakar-2021?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 05, 2020, 02:19:52 pm
James Alexander from Bots as well
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Blou Zebu on December 05, 2020, 02:30:44 pm
YEsterday (and today) there was a bunch of Dakar pics in my feed on FB. I was surprised. Said to myself: What are they up to? The Dakar is only in January next year! That;s still far away.

Then I remembered its December.

Roll on Dakar
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 09, 2020, 06:18:28 pm



With 2 of the 4 team members being from Brakpan, Australia this is going to get woes!

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on December 09, 2020, 06:25:06 pm
Honda for the round the houses Jeddah win
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cracker on December 09, 2020, 07:26:18 pm
Surely the oke can afford a comb ........... or a pair of scissors.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on December 09, 2020, 08:29:02 pm
So the odds on a last minute Covid cancelation are?  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LeonDude on December 09, 2020, 08:40:52 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on December 10, 2020, 07:55:03 am
Sub all the way :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on December 10, 2020, 12:41:45 pm
My yearly sub....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on December 10, 2020, 02:16:24 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Elkanah on December 10, 2020, 02:45:39 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on December 10, 2020, 08:14:17 pm
Locked & loaded. Air freight is off tomorrow. This is getting real!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 10, 2020, 08:34:29 pm
Locked & loaded. Air freight is off tomorrow. This is getting real!

Min dae!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 10, 2020, 08:41:00 pm


Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: husky on December 12, 2020, 10:33:07 am
Good Red Bull podcast with Cyril Dupres and Mike Horn in the car section - more general than Dakar but interesting.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on December 16, 2020, 10:36:32 pm
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Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: big oil on December 16, 2020, 10:55:36 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on December 17, 2020, 10:18:34 am
That Honda is one damn good looking bike  :drif:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on December 17, 2020, 12:07:20 pm
That Honda is one damn good looking bike  :drif:
Yip KTM looks like a plain Jane  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 21, 2020, 03:53:46 pm
Seems the Dakar is under threat too now ...  :'(


Riyadh, Dec 20, 2020, SPA -- An official source at the Ministry of Interior stated that, based on what the Ministry of Health submitted regarding the spread of a new strain of the Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) in a number of countries, until medical information about the nature of this virus becomes clear, and to take urgent measures to protect the public health of citizens and expatriates and ensure their safety, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia's government has decided to take the following precautionary measures:

First: Suspending all international flights for travelers, except in exceptional cases, temporarily for one week, which can be extended for another week, with the exception of foreign flights that are currently inside the Kingdom, they are allowed to leave.

Second: Suspending entry to the Kingdom through land and sea ports temporarily for one week, which can be extended for another week.

Third: Anyone who has returned from one of the European countries or any country where the new strain has appeared after 08/12/2020, as determined by the Ministry of Health must adhere to the following:

1- Home isolation for two weeks, starting from the date of entering the Kingdom.

2- Take a COVID-19 test during the isolation period and retake the test every five days.

Fourth: Anyone who has returned from or passed through a European country, or any country where the new strain has appeared, during the past three months, must take a COVID-19 test.

The movement of goods, commodities and supply chains from countries where the new strain of COVID-19 has not appeared are excluded from the above-mentioned measures, as determined by the Ministry of Health in coordination with the Ministry of Transport.

These procedures will be reviewed in light of the developments related to the pandemic, and the reports received from the Ministry of Health.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on December 21, 2020, 04:06:26 pm
So the odds on a last minute Covid cancelation are?  :sip:

I should take up betting.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: big oil on December 21, 2020, 11:41:56 pm
So the odds on a last minute Covid cancelation are?  :sip:

I should take up betting.  8)

You're a visionary  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on December 22, 2020, 06:47:07 am
2020 was kak, so I really really hope 2021 doesn't continue the trend! Let the Dakar roll!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 22, 2020, 07:06:30 am
From a desert rat on the ground - IT IS A GO!  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:   I believe official press release to follow.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on December 22, 2020, 09:21:00 am
Let's hope this is false news.....Dakar must go ahead

I'm rooting for Ross - bikes AND Henk and Brett - cars
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kreef on December 22, 2020, 11:35:23 am
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Post by: THROTTLE JOCKEY on December 22, 2020, 04:02:57 pm
 :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 23, 2020, 11:25:22 am
That Honda is one damn good looking bike  :drif:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 23, 2020, 11:30:29 am






Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 23, 2020, 11:38:32 am
Any chance we have someone that can translate this for us?

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: I&horse on December 23, 2020, 06:25:44 pm
looks like a lot of riders ditched the neck brace
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 23, 2020, 06:38:54 pm
looks like a lot of riders ditched the neck brace

Very many of them have not worn them for some time although recommended by org.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DaveT on December 23, 2020, 10:58:17 pm
A summary of the key changes made to the rules, by Long Way Home.



Who needs tires? @ 2:14
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 24, 2020, 11:06:08 am
James Alexander and Ross and the stunning Yamaha's-  James for finish and Ross for podium and we need to get the  other ktm hooligan up there next year
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 24, 2020, 06:34:53 pm
Wat is voor in Willem se hemp?

Sekerlik nie n boepie nie?? :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 24, 2020, 07:37:19 pm
Wat is voor in Willem se hemp?

Sekerlik nie n boepie nie?? :pot:

It is a Camelfront   :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dustbiter on December 25, 2020, 11:09:10 am
Here Lyndon Poskitt and Matt Sutherland discuss some of the differences between the Dakar Rally and the Africa Eco Race.

.(Team Races to Places Ep.19,released yesterday)

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" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I am not sure if this fits here or should be a separate topic, as it does not refer specifically to the Dakar 2021
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on December 27, 2020, 12:20:15 am
Here Lyndon Poskitt and Matt Sutherland discuss some of the differences between the Dakar Rally and the Africa Eco Race.

.(Team Races to Places Ep.19,released yesterday)

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I am not sure if this fits here or should be a separate topic, as it does not refer specifically to the Dakar 2021
Dakar belongs in Africa, will never be the same again
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on December 27, 2020, 11:04:39 am
Still a wilddog at heart. ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on December 27, 2020, 12:49:01 pm
Still a wilddog at heart. ;D

That's supercool! Enjoy everything immensely!  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on December 27, 2020, 03:02:12 pm
So....Brett and the rest of the SA teams flew out of OR Thambo this morning to Adis.
Tonight they fly to Saudi on a chartered Jumbo 747....imagine that cost!
Then, apparently 2 days hotel isolation.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 28, 2020, 10:58:53 am
U tube Simon Marcic - lots of good bits- He has done a few Malle Moto Dakars - good videos through the race but also seeing Darryl Curtis issuing him with his roadbook and seeing Tay Perry's and her bike in the background. In 2017 Peterhansel drove into Marcic ending his Dakar with a broken  leg/bike. Peterhansel followed up with him daily on his recovery and even paid for his 2018 Dakar - Marcic just raved about the Peterhansel- being his hero and what a gentleman he was
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 28, 2020, 11:30:02 am
Tick - Tock  >:D :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on December 28, 2020, 04:00:30 pm
Tick - Tock  >:D :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:  Nee Fock - kannie meer wag nie!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 29, 2020, 01:07:52 pm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OCybHTp7s6M&feature=youtu.be

Nothing like watching the old dakars to pass time- camping kit rucksacks and garden gloves


https://fb.watch/2FKiiU-WPf/

or James Alexander getting excited with his new jacket fitting
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 29, 2020, 01:13:09 pm
could the latest weather changes also effect the outcome maybe...

https://youtu.be/jwOelBfKs4o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: tyrebraaier on December 30, 2020, 08:51:54 am
So what is actually happening now that the official KSA flightban has been extended for another week and the mandatory isolation period far exceeds the first few stages of the dakar. Is everyone there already?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 30, 2020, 09:38:25 am
Concessions are being made, chartered flights coming in, and competitors being quarantined for 2/3 days. It's a go!  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 30, 2020, 12:56:13 pm

Live press conference of Dakar 2021- 18h30 today


👉 ON FACEBOOK:  https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=436291154216415&id=104027932989856
👉 OR ON YOUTUBE:
Youtube: https://youtu.be/SXc_wgvIhMM
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: m0lt3n on December 30, 2020, 01:08:15 pm
sub!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on December 31, 2020, 08:37:32 am
James Alexander
Fitting the ERTS waypoint finder.  The helmet ties up well with the bike! Finally get to ride it today! 🇧🇼
https://www.facebook.com/101296645091086/posts/140048774549206/?sfnsn=scwspwa
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on December 31, 2020, 09:55:17 am
I thought James Alexander looks a bit old for Dakar and checked - he's about my age ::)

Just shows, where there's passion and a will, you'll find a way :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 31, 2020, 11:17:16 am
I thought James Alexander looks a bit old for Dakar and checked - he's about my age ::)

Just shows, where there's passion and a will, you'll find a way :thumleft:

True - there is not a too old for Dakar and certainly there have been many 50+ year olds compete. Carlos Saintz is 58 and Stephane Peterhansel is 55. Last year saw Yoshimasa Sugawara (from Japan), a 73 years old truck driver!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on December 31, 2020, 11:24:44 am
I thought James Alexander looks a bit old for Dakar and checked - he's about my age ::)

Just shows, where there's passion and a will, you'll find a way :thumleft:

True - there is not a too old for Dakar and certainly there have been many 50+ year olds compete. Carlos Saintz is 58 and Stephane Peterhansel is 55. Last year saw Yoshimasa Sugawara (from Japan), a 73 years old truck driver!

There was a guy in his early 60's I think, riding Malle Moto, every second year, so he could save up by missing a year each time.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on December 31, 2020, 12:10:30 pm
An excellent dive into the differences in the old and new model of Hilux racing bakkie.

Turn on captions.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rookieracer on December 31, 2020, 12:30:46 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 31, 2020, 01:31:51 pm
An excellent dive into the differences in the old and new model of Hilux racing bakkie.


Impressive SA R&D.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on December 31, 2020, 03:48:29 pm
Those were the days - when the air was clean and sex was dirty  >:D

https://youtu.be/OCybHTp7s6M
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: evansv on December 31, 2020, 04:04:55 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: KaTaM on January 01, 2021, 09:39:42 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LeonDude on January 01, 2021, 12:46:52 pm
Those were the days - when the air was clean and sex was dirty  >:D

https://youtu.be/OCybHTp7s6M
:thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tony the Boney on January 01, 2021, 01:39:02 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 01, 2021, 06:00:37 pm
I thought James Alexander looks a bit old for Dakar and checked - he's about my age ::)

Just shows, where there's passion and a will, you'll find a way :thumleft:

True - there is not a too old for Dakar and certainly there have been many 50+ year olds compete. Carlos Saintz is 58 and Stephane Peterhansel is 55. Last year saw Yoshimasa Sugawara (from Japan), a 73 years old truck driver!

There was a guy in his early 60's I think, riding Malle Moto, every second year, so he could save up by missing a year each time.  :biggrin:
Franco Picco has been riding Dakar since the 80’s. He is 65
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 01, 2021, 06:11:29 pm
I thought James Alexander looks a bit old for Dakar and checked - he's about my age ::)

Just shows, where there's passion and a will, you'll find a way :thumleft:

True - there is not a too old for Dakar and certainly there have been many 50+ year olds compete. Carlos Saintz is 58 and Stephane Peterhansel is 55. Last year saw Yoshimasa Sugawara (from Japan), a 73 years old truck driver!

There was a guy in his early 60's I think, riding Malle Moto, every second year, so he could save up by missing a year each time.  :biggrin:
Franco Picco has been riding Dakar since the 80’s

Sounds right.  :biggrin: :thumleft: his 29th desert rallye.  :-[
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2021, 12:41:16 pm
Prologue done and dusted. Ross a great 4th. Brabec and BB 1&2 and on song. Toby 9th. Academic at this stage but the show has started.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 4 Kays on January 02, 2021, 12:41:34 pm
Not too sure whether you guys remember Brian Baragwanath who came second in the dakar a few years ago on a quad?

He has now built his own vehicle which is powered by a 5.8 Chev motor. Brian evidently kicked Geniel's arse a few times locally so it will be interesting to see how he does, especially without big support structures that the other manufacturers have.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on January 02, 2021, 12:50:23 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 02, 2021, 01:04:50 pm
Waiting in anticipation for the Saffers in the cars, some proper young guns like Henk & Brett, Brian & Taye.  Tyd dat hulle die toppies se gatte bietjie skop  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2021, 03:04:41 pm
Not too sure whether you guys remember Brian Baragwanath who came second in the dakar a few years ago on a quad?

He has now built his own vehicle which is powered by a 5.8 Chev motor. Brian evidently kicked Geniel's arse a few times locally so it will be interesting to see how he does, especially without big support structures that the other manufacturers have.

I think importantly one needs to also mention that he has teamed up with our dinky darling of last years Dakar, Taye Perry, who has kicked many a guys arse locally and in the Dakar on two wheels!  :3some: :3some: :3some:   
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on January 02, 2021, 05:29:41 pm
Not too sure whether you guys remember Brian Baragwanath who came second in the dakar a few years ago on a quad?

He has now built his own vehicle which is powered by a 5.8 Chev motor. Brian evidently kicked Geniel's arse a few times locally so it will be interesting to see how he does, especially without big support structures that the other manufacturers have.

I think importantly one needs to also mention that he has teamed up with our dinky darling of last years Dakar, Taye Perry, who has kicked many a guys arse locally and in the Dakar on two wheels!  :3some: :3some: :3some:

Indeed, looking forward to this as well as what David Knight can bring to the show.

Also...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6xBpxNXExDfuKc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on January 02, 2021, 05:43:33 pm
LIVE TRACKER LINK

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/?track=44,101
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2021, 06:51:26 pm
Not too sure whether you guys remember Brian Baragwanath who came second in the dakar a few years ago on a quad?

He has now built his own vehicle which is powered by a 5.8 Chev motor. Brian evidently kicked Geniel's arse a few times locally so it will be interesting to see how he does, especially without big support structures that the other manufacturers have.

I think importantly one needs to also mention that he has teamed up with our dinky darling of last years Dakar, Taye Perry, who has kicked many a guys arse locally and in the Dakar on two wheels!  :3some: :3some: :3some:

Indeed, looking forward to this as well as what David Knight can bring to the show.

Also...
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6xBpxNXExDfuKc/giphy.gif)

Would not hold my breath on the Nighter - certainly got enduro skills but are they adaptable to rallye?? Guess he may surprise  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 02, 2021, 07:04:28 pm
Not too sure whether you guys remember Brian Baragwanath who came second in the dakar a few years ago on a quad?

He has now built his own vehicle which is powered by a 5.8 Chev motor. Brian evidently kicked Geniel's arse a few times locally so it will be interesting to see how he does, especially without big support structures that the other manufacturers have.

I think importantly one needs to also mention that he has teamed up with our dinky darling of last years Dakar, Taye Perry, who has kicked many a guys arse locally and in the Dakar on two wheels!  :3some: :3some: :3some:

AND our BB and Tye topped their prologue ahead of the big guns!  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 02, 2021, 08:28:38 pm
LIVE TRACKER LINK

http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-1/bikes/waypoints/?track=44,101

Thanks Dutchie! This is always the best source. Besides WD of course

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 02, 2021, 08:39:08 pm
Anyone else take note of James Alexander from Bots? Great inspiration! Hope he finishes(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210102/0faa768dec6a795b0ad05906f879db4a.jpg)

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Vis Arend on January 02, 2021, 08:52:18 pm
 :sip:   :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 02, 2021, 09:10:31 pm
Whats the deal with Sanders part of the factory team but differenr branding to the others?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 07:10:20 am
Whats the deal with Sanders part of the factory team but differenr branding to the others?

Maybe some additional outside sponsor bought in.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 07:10:55 am
So are we all ready for Stage 1?  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LeonDude on January 03, 2021, 07:17:37 am
So are we all ready for Stage 1?  :sip:
Nee fok, I'm confused.
Sunday morning at 7:20 feels like too early to drink beer, but is it permissible to drink coffee while following this?

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 07:30:30 am
Not a fok Leon, and they are AWAY! "FIRE IN THE HOLE" :thumleft:

https://gaps.dakar.com/2021/dakar/aso/ukie
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2021, 07:41:02 am
Morning.
Mabe i missed it somewhere. Sorry then.

Think strategy is not to be the fastest from the beginning. Navigation is going to be work today.

1. New rules on bikes.
If they are allowed 5 tires only. What is time penalty if they use more? This is where the Dakar will be won and lost this year.
I know engine is 3 hours which all top riders take.

2. Also/ New KTM is around 38k Euros. They build 85 a year now. Which I think Factory and Bart gets around 20.
Speculation for Honda's was in 2016 around 300k Euros. Tanks alone was 28k Euros.
Did Honda start selling the old bikes yet? Been running for 6/7 years now.
 Is there any privateers running old Honda's?

3 Then last. Is the Yamaha dedicated Rally bike or French modified enduro bike. The 2016 model had 4 petrol tanks enduro bike. Like to see this bike in person.

Just for interest sake I measured a 2013 Rally bike swing arm against my 701. its 2.5 inches longer.
Thanks



Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 07:44:56 am
Morning.
Mabe i missed it somewhere. Sorry then.

Think strategy is not to be the fastest from the beginning. Navigation is going to be work today.

1. New rules on bikes.
If they are allowed 5 tires only. What is time penalty if they use more? This is where the Dakar will be won and lost this year.
I know engine is 3 hours which all top riders take.

2. Also/ New KTM is around 38k Euros. They build 85 a year now. Which I think Factory and Bart gets around 20.
Speculation for Honda's was in 2016 around 300k Euros. Tanks alone was 28k Euros.
Did Honda start selling the old bikes yet? Been running for 6/7 years now.
 Is there any privateers running old Honda's?

3 Then last. Is the Yamaha dedicated Rally bike or French modified enduro bike. The 2016 model had 4 petrol tanks enduro bike. Like to see this bike in person.

Just for interest sake I measured a 2013 Rally bike swing arm against my 701. its 2.5 inches longer.
Thanks

That 38k Euros sound a bit "too reasonable" are you sure?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 03, 2021, 08:02:39 am
Not a fok Leon, and they are AWAY! "FIRE IN THE HOLE" :thumleft:

https://gaps.dakar.com/2021/dakar/aso/ukie
The map on that site seems to show a bit of a navigation clusterfark going on?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 03, 2021, 08:11:58 am
Hey guys :wave:

I am going to be quiet on this year's following for a few reasons. So hope the diehards will keep everyone updated with results and highlights. Especially links to highlights.

Paulo's crash took a lot of the fun out of it for me. That and the Saudi thing. I can't....explain. For the first time in 30yrs I have been following Dakar, it doesn't feel like one. Maybe I'm getting old. Too safe. Too slow and technical? In the open desert?
Slow sections in the open desert?
Airbags? WTF? I mean it was terrible what happened but this is an over reaction.

Worst thing is that the navigation is now not what it was. There was an art to doing that. Bring on Africa Eco.

Im going to shutup now. Maybe later I will change my mind again. ::)

Good luck Brett!  :thumleft:

Go Ross! :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2021, 08:48:51 am
Morning.
Mabe i missed it somewhere. Sorry then.

Think strategy is not to be the fastest from the beginning. Navigation is going to be work today.

1. New rules on bikes.
If they are allowed 5 tires only. What is time penalty if they use more? This is where the Dakar will be won and lost this year.
I know engine is 3 hours which all top riders take.

2. Also/ New KTM is around 38k Euros. They build 85 a year now. Which I think Factory and Bart gets around 20.
Speculation for Honda's was in 2016 around 300k Euros. Tanks alone was 28k Euros.
Did Honda start selling the old bikes yet? Been running for 6/7 years now.
 Is there any privateers running old Honda's?

3 Then last. Is the Yamaha dedicated Rally bike or French modified enduro bike. The 2016 model had 4 petrol tanks enduro bike. Like to see this bike in person.

Just for interest sake I measured a 2013 Rally bike swing arm against my 701. its 2.5 inches longer.
Thanks

That 38k Euros sound a bit "too reasonable" are you sure?  :biggrin:
If i remember correct Kirsten bought her bike from A guy in Paarl last year for around R600k.Bike had less than 5 hours on.  Also a friend of mine got a qoute on a new bike a few months ago. R650k ich.
Bart advertise 2019 bikes for R450k.

http://www.veldenmotoren.nl/product/ktm-450-rally-factory-replica-2019/

I may be out by around R50k........ sorry.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 03, 2021, 08:54:10 am
Not a fok Leon, and they are AWAY! "FIRE IN THE HOLE" :thumleft:

https://gaps.dakar.com/2021/dakar/aso/ukie

That's an excellent new addition to being a spectator!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2021, 08:56:58 am
Hey guys :wave:

I am going to be quiet on this year's following for a few reasons. So hope the diehards will keep everyone updated with results and highlights. Especially links to highlights.

Paulo's crash took a lot of the fun out of it for me. That and the Saudi thing. I can't....explain. For the first time in 30yrs I have been following Dakar, it doesn't feel like one. Maybe I'm getting old. Too safe. Too slow and technical? In the open desert?
Slow sections in the open desert?
Airbags? WTF? I mean it was terrible what happened but this is an over reaction.

Worst thing is that the navigation is now not what it was. There was an art to doing that. Bring on Africa Eco.

Im going to shutup now. Maybe later I will change my mind again. ::)

Good luck Brett!  :thumleft:

Go Ross! :ricky:

Hi BB.
Would be sorry.
 You are a wealth of info for all of us.
But really respect your reasons.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 08:57:10 am
And for a minute or two Ross was the leader.  :thumleft: but he is flying, consistently about 3 mins behind the Leader. :biggrin: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 09:10:31 am
The Soultrain is blitzing it, chasing a clearly marked path, up at WP1 and WP2.  8)

Add WP3, Ross is doing very nicely started high up a disadvantage and is less than 5 minutes back and ahead of some big names.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 03, 2021, 09:10:53 am
From the initial timing sheets it's obvious that the track is quite a tricky navigational affair with the guys who qualified lower down reaping the most benefit.  I see it only starts stabilizing with Pablo and Tobes.

But heh, early days and that limit on tyres will benefit the smooth.  No styling for the cameras or maybe they use those rock hard motoz this year to get some more mileage...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 03, 2021, 09:15:11 am
The Soultrain is blitzing it, chasing a clearly marked path, up at WP1 and WP2.  8)

Have to agree although the Soultrain is no slouch.  Interesting how they multiply the gaps from the prologue x4 this year as incentive for the riders not to manipulate timing. Not evreyone fell for it though :)   
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2021, 09:20:41 am
From the initial timing sheets it's obvious that the track is quite a tricky navigational affair with the guys who qualified lower down reaping the most benefit.  I see it only starts stabilizing with Pablo and Tobes.

But heh, early days and that limit on tyres will benefit the smooth.  No styling for the cameras or maybe they use those rock hard motoz this year to get some more mileage...

When I saw the total distance for day 1 was only over 300km I new something was up. NAVIGATION!!!

Smooth riding will be key on tires. Bam Bam with his flat out racing will have to think twice now. Think this is where Walkner and Sam Sunderland will shine. Time will tell. We will know by rest day  who the water boys will be. Yellow  number plates  will help the bigger teams then.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 03, 2021, 09:26:55 am
Some serious errors that are costing big!

In some cases, nearly 20 minutes for Sebastian Bueler. Ricky has lost 13 minutes before he'd even gotten to waypoint 1.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 09:31:26 am
Some serious errors that are costing big!

In some cases, nearly 20 minutes for Sebastian Bueler. Ricky has lost 13 minutes before he'd even gotten to waypoint 1.

Given the start time difference, Ross must be essentially riding with Ricky.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 03, 2021, 10:12:09 am
Ole Tobes really nailing it nicely.  Pity that riders get penalized having to open a stage when winning previous one but guess the format will never change.  Maybe Castera and his steam made the opening sections of the specials a bit more difficult for the top 10 riders to follow tracks - maybe some more rocky instead of sandy terrain.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 03, 2021, 10:46:56 am
How's this!

It's a map of where snapchats are coming from.

https://map.snapchat.com/@21.023824,41.331348,10.32z
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 03, 2021, 10:53:06 am
Eish eish i seem to remember that last Dakar Toby also having to open on the 2nd day and then never really recoverred from the time taken on him from that day . . .  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 03, 2021, 11:31:32 am
Ross is in. Looks like he will be about 11 minutes behind Toby.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: alli on January 03, 2021, 11:34:13 am
 :ricky: I’m in
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2021, 11:48:46 am
Ross is in. Looks like he will be about 11 minutes behind Toby.

Looks like 9.47m at the ASS - should move him up.  Brabec, BB and boys screwed up early and sitting around 12m back. Early days though.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on January 03, 2021, 11:52:16 am
How's this!

It's a map of where snapchats are coming from.

https://map.snapchat.com/@21.023824,41.331348,10.32z

Wow! Cool af!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2021, 12:09:51 pm
Ross is in. Looks like he will be about 11 minutes behind Toby.

Looks like 9.47m at the ASS - should move him up.  Brabec, BB and boys screwed up early and sitting around 12m back. Early days though.

Looks like Pos 15 - thought would be higher but in the mix fosho.  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 03, 2021, 12:36:23 pm
The spidergram from the dutch site (see below) clearly shows that there was some navigational mayhem at WPT 1. Just how relative positions changed dramatically, before things settled down.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2021, 01:17:06 pm
Joh! Okes getting their knitting in a knot  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: B.V. on January 03, 2021, 01:19:31 pm
All I can find on tyre rule.

Limitation of the number of rear tyres to 6 for the 12 stages (30 min penalties for non-compliance)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2021, 01:23:18 pm
All I can find on tyre rule.

Limitation of the number of rear tyres to 6 for the 12 stages (30 min penalties for non-compliance)


https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/fewer-tyres-for-a-safer-race/168341
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on January 03, 2021, 01:29:53 pm
All I can find on tyre rule.

Limitation of the number of rear tyres to 6 for the 12 stages (30 min penalties for non-compliance)

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: alli on January 03, 2021, 02:08:08 pm
 Ross Branch: "I was trying to just do the best I possibly could"

January 3 rd 2021 - 13:59 [GMT + 3]

The Botswanan winner of a stage in the 2020 edition started fourth today and spent the day with the leading group but still managed to lose about 10 minutes to Toby Price.

"It was really difficult today. The navigation was tough, I think one of the toughest days in navigation I've ever had in rallies. It was really good fun, I really enjoyed it. I managed to catch up to the Honda guys and just try and stay with them because all of us seemed to be making navigational errors. I was trying to just do the best I possibly could, it was really difficult at the front for us five, but it's all a learning lession"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 03, 2021, 02:23:26 pm
"a learning lession" - I like that Freudian slip/roost  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 03, 2021, 02:30:52 pm
"a learning lession" - I like that Freudian slip/roost  :ricky:

Sean Connery.....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tommy Transalp on January 03, 2021, 02:34:27 pm
Good to see that Ross is there....
Hope to see him doing well again!  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bullit on January 03, 2021, 02:57:35 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 03, 2021, 03:01:03 pm
Good to see that Ross is there....
Hope to see him doing well again!  :thumleft:
Yip. Tomorrow he'll have a few guys in front of him, so hopefully won't suffer navigational errors. I'm sure he'll haul in a few asses...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 03, 2021, 03:08:44 pm
https://gaps.dakar.com/2021/dakar/aso/ukie

Really lekker having a live tracking map for the Dakar this year. There is also a time slider at the bottom of the page so you can replay.

Go ROSS!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tom van Brits on January 03, 2021, 03:25:17 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 03, 2021, 09:32:13 pm
"a learning lession" - I like that Freudian slip/roost  :ricky:

You not thinking of "lesion"?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 07:02:47 am
Something going funny at WP1, maybe just a technical glitch but the top riders not reading it?  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 07:13:05 am
Something going funny at WP1, maybe just a technical glitch but the top riders not reading it?  :o

Yep, a glitch, but Walkner not showing?  Ross second fastest at WP1 so far.  :thumleft:

Walkner, clutch or gearbox issue.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: IanTheTooth on January 04, 2021, 07:14:15 am
Toby Price is a local hero here (in Gold Coast QLD Australia) and all the guys I have been riding with recently went to Bowen to see him race the Don River challenge which is a roughly 80km blast up a sandbed with some rock shelves to Pretty Bend which is roughly where I was going with the man on the dead KTM on the T7 thread.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2021, 08:05:54 am
Toby Price is a local hero here (in Gold Coast QLD Australia) and all the guys I have been riding with recently went to Bowen to see him race the Don River challenge which is a roughly 80km blast up a sandbed with some rock shelves to Pretty Bend which is roughly where I was going with the man on the dead KTM on the T7 thread.


08:06 Technical problem for Walkner
Matthias Walkner is experiencing a tough start to the special. The Austrian has more or less immediately encountered a problem linked to his gears or clutch. The official KTM rider, third in in the general standings, risks big losses today if he is not able to fix the problem quickly. In the meantime, his main rivals are starting to reach the first time check point after 46 km…
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 08:26:14 am
"a learning lession" - I like that Freudian slip/roost  :ricky:

You not thinking of "lesion"?

Yes I was - just using some artistic license.  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 08:27:07 am
Tracking seems to have a Major Glitch  ::)

Guys are in at WP4 while others are not at WP3? and not one or two?  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 08:30:55 am
Ah, it just had a data dump, back up to speed and Ross is right up there.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2021, 08:33:36 am
Ross gooi bietjie vandag.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 08:53:08 am
Ja the mielies got wings  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 08:56:50 am
Ah, it just had a data dump, back up to speed and Ross is right up there.  :thumleft:

Ja and the live timing map is not really in sync often with them hitting the various waypoints.  ::). Shows Ross riding with Micheck.  ... now corrected  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2021, 09:17:14 am
Lyk my Ross en AVB ry saam.
2      018   
R. BRANCHBWA
MONSTER ENERGY YAMAHA RALLY TEAM   07:40:00= (14)   00:01:20▲ (6)   00:01:45= (6)   00:01:59▲ (5)   00:02:16▲ (3)   00:02:23▲
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 09:23:15 am
Navigation is looking to be tricky this year. TP is 9min down on Sam Sunderland at WP6 because he is opening.

Race day two looks set to deliver a lot of action   :ricky: . Why oh why do I need to focus on work now  :BangHead:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 09:27:16 am
Lyk my Ross en AVB ry saam.
2      018   
R. BRANCHBWA
MONSTER ENERGY YAMAHA RALLY TEAM   07:40:00= (14)   00:01:20▲ (6)   00:01:45= (6)   00:01:59▲ (5)   00:02:16▲ (3)   00:02:23▲

At the moment according to the live map Ross is riding semi alone with a few guys near him.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 09:35:38 am
Ross could have this one  :ricky: Has a minute on Sam.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 09:38:38 am
This is a more accurate and informative to see where someone is in the field. What is great is that it shows them relative to others and more importantly to the leaders' times;

To get there, click "Waypoints" on the top right next to "Live Monitor". Then once that page comes up, click on "WP1" (or which ever you one you want) on the top of the columns, not top left. Then click on your riders name to get the graphic.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 09:42:29 am
At the moment, Toby and many others are the big losers and Ross has gained enough to be only a few seconds behind Bareda overall!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 09:55:33 am
Ross is having a helluva day. 3rd at WP6 and only 2m47 down on JBB.  TP is having a rough day at the front as can be expected though. He was 17m43 down on JBB at WP6 which puts JBB on top. Early days though, there is still a long race to run and a lot can change as we saw last year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2021, 09:56:23 am
10:20 Walkner is on the move again
Matthias Walkner, who suffered a technical problem in the first kilometres, has finally managed to resume the special. However, the Austrian has lost 2 hours and 15 minutes repairing his KTM...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 04, 2021, 09:59:11 am
JB a-Bort is flying! Ross making good progress, even outgunning his team mate a bit.

Sad about Walkner, I like him.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 04, 2021, 10:00:29 am
If I am checking this correctly, Ross has moved into the overall lead at WP6...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:06:43 am
If I am checking this correctly, Ross has moved into the overall lead at WP6...

Nope. 3rd place at Wp6.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:10:09 am
Ross hanging right up there with the big boys. This is going to be a nail biting exciting two weeks  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 04, 2021, 10:18:13 am
@Kortbroek No, not for the stage, for the overall race.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 04, 2021, 10:20:38 am
@Kortbroek No, not for the stage, for the overall race.

Correct,

Hopefully he can stick to van Beveren for the rest of the day to take the top spot!  Bang bang has found 6th gear today it seems :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 10:21:16 am
10:20 Walkner is on the move again
Matthias Walkner, who suffered a technical problem in the first kilometres, has finally managed to resume the special. However, the Austrian has lost 2 hours and 15 minutes repairing his KTM...

I bet if you track the KTM truck/car they finally caught up to him and gave him the parts he needed.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:25:22 am
@Kortbroek No, not for the stage, for the overall race.

Correct,

Hopefully he can stick to van Beveren for the rest of the day to take the top spot!  Bang bang has found 6th gear today it seems :ricky:

Oh right. I don't really bother with overall standings during a stage and especially this early on. Just too much to come still. I'm expecting a top 10 finish from Ross with the outside chance of getting a podium spot. Remember guys like TP is opening today which is costing him, but there are many days ahead still.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on January 04, 2021, 10:28:42 am
Go Ross  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 10:31:50 am
Ross seems to be losing time versus the front runners, hope its not an issue.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 04, 2021, 10:32:52 am
@Kortbroek No, not for the stage, for the overall race.

Correct,

Hopefully he can stick to van Beveren for the rest of the day to take the top spot!  Bang bang has found 6th gear today it seems :ricky:

Oh right. I don't really bother with overall standings during a stage and especially this early on. Just too much to come still. I'm expecting a top 10 finish from Ross with the outside chance of getting a podium spot. Remember guys like TP is opening today which is costing him, but there are many days ahead still.

Haha, true! However, I don't think  he had an overall lead before, so it is a good sign for years to come.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 10:33:31 am
JB a-Bort is flying! Ross making good progress, even outgunning his team mate a bit.

Sad about Walkner, I like him.

Will become the tyre boy I guess.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: MildlyWild on January 04, 2021, 10:34:32 am
Ja the mielies got wings  >:D
Warm mielies - - - > Popcorn  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:34:58 am
Ross seems to be losing time versus the front runners, hope its not an issue.  8)

I think it is more a case of the faster guys are behind him still so probably having an easier time with the navigation.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 04, 2021, 10:37:06 am
I saw last night each bike only has 6 rear tyres for the race. Thoughts about that?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:41:49 am
I saw last night each bike only has 6 rear tyres for the race. Thoughts about that?

I think on the one hand it is stupid as on some days they will have to ride more conservatively on the other hand it adds to the strategy component and skill of the rider to manage tyres while leveling the playing field a bit. It only applies to the elite riders afaik.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 04, 2021, 10:42:32 am
I saw last night each bike only has 6 rear tyres for the race. Thoughts about that?

I heard Price say it will be like having 6 endurance stages now  :-\
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 04, 2021, 10:45:59 am
It will bring the speeds down which is what they aiming for I think, but what is next only X amount of fuel per day? :(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 10:51:08 am
Ross is consistently losing about 1.5 minutes per waypoint, only one more waypoint then ASS I hope no major issues.  :-\

So is his team mate, tactics for tomorrow?  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 10:51:29 am
Brutal sand today: https://web.facebook.com/watch/?v=2749879691927257&t=54
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 04, 2021, 10:54:55 am
It will bring the speeds down which is what they aiming for I think, but what is next only X amount of fuel per day? :(

One of the reasons why I don't really follow F1 anymore; slowly but surely the tighter rules and regulations takes all the "fun" out of the sport
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 11:23:39 am
Ross 4th at wp10, 9m34 down on JBB.  TP has a shitload to make up after today. Going to be tough making up all that time without ending up opening stages again. That said, JBB opens tomorrow so hopefully he doesn't live up to his Bam Bam name and bin it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 11:41:43 am
Someone is going to work out a way to win in this new format of racing where the roadbook is ridden practically from first glance.

It's clear that in the past, having the roadbook the night before didn't necessarily mean that leading out or being in the lead group was going to cost. So, the strategy used to be; build a margin and then protect it by staying near the front. It was near impossible to catch a time leader once they had this cushion.

Now, navigation is obviously seriously tough and creating huge advantages for those that aren't near the front.

It seems that being 20 minutes back at the start of a stage is not nearly as much of a disadvantage as it used to be.

I wonder how the strategists will try game this new dynamic?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 11:44:21 am
Ross 4th at wp10, 9m34 down on JBB.  TP has a shitload to make up after today. Going to be tough making up all that time without ending up opening stages again. That said, JBB opens tomorrow so hopefully he doesn't live up to his Bam Bam name and bin it.

Ross is in and I think in a reasonable spot, opening is brutal if like today, or maybe tomorrow more rocky?  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 04, 2021, 11:45:12 am
I saw last night Honda is still using that dog ugly exhaust from their cement mixer engines!!? :eek7:
Not good looking at all and it looks heavy.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: weskus on January 04, 2021, 11:46:26 am
Someone is going to work out a way to win in this new format of racing where the roadbook is ridden practically from first glance.

It's clear that in the past, having the roadbook the night before didn't necessarily mean that leading out or being in the lead group was going to cost. So, the strategy used to be; build a margin and then protect it by staying near the front. It was near impossible to catch a time leader once they had this cushion.

Now, navigation is obviously seriously tough and creating huge advantages for those that aren't near the front.

It seems that being 20 minutes back at the start of a stage is not nearly as much of a disadvantage as it used to be.

I wonder how the strategists will try game this new dynamic?
I'm with you on that one Andrew.. will make for interesting standings..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 04, 2021, 11:53:08 am
So Ross 3rd overall 6.37 behind BB and 14s off Brabec.
 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 12:19:49 pm
Exit for Andrew Short
After three very impressive participations and especially a 6th-placed finish obtained in 2019, American Andrew Short has met with disappointment on the second stage. He ground to a halt after 273 km of the special due to a mechanical problem that he has not been able to fix. Convinced that it was not necessary to wait for help from his assistance team, he has thrown in the towel and has been airlifted from the stage by one of the organiser’s helicopters.


credit Johan Dakar group
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 12:22:01 pm
Let's have a chat about this. Come join and see how this works....

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83930120623
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 12:23:12 pm
Barreda wins!
Having led from the first time check point, Joan Barreda has dominated stage two to pick up his 25th special stage victory on the Dakar and climb to the top of the general standings, emulating his countryman Marc Coma in fourth position in the all-time ranking of special stage victories in the bike race!
credit Johan DG
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 12:23:47 pm
Let's have a chat about this. Come join and see how this works....

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83930120623

This is great. For the guys who are keen it looks like this will be a daily thing. Really worthwhile to pop in and have a listen or add a few cents.

edit: was referring to the one over on advrider. Not sure if this is the same meeting Kamanya?

Either way, exiting day of racing with Ross showing good form.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 12:27:40 pm
Let's have a chat about this. Come join and see how this works....

https://us02web.zoom.us/j/83930120623

This is great. For the guys who are keen it looks like this will be a daily thing. Really worthwhile to pop in and have a listen or add a few cents.

edit: was referring to the one over on advrider. Not sure if this is the same meeting Kamanya?

Either way, exiting day of racing with Ross showing good form.

I was just in that one. There were only 4 of us for a while.

I started this one to have a post/current stage conflab.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 12:27:59 pm
Especially exiting day with Honda and Yamaha up front.

Provisional standings after SS2:
1) JBB
2) Brabec
3) Branch
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 12:29:18 pm
I was just in that one. There were only 4 of us for a while.

I started this one to have a post/current stage conflab.

Yeah I was in there with you. Would be great to have a WD version maybe a bit after the AdvRider one every day?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 12:34:58 pm
I was just in that one. There were only 4 of us for a while.

I started this one to have a post/current stage conflab.

Yeah I was in there with you. Would be great to have a WD version maybe a bit after the AdvRider one every day?

Oh! Face to a name. Pleased to meet. (although I have such a leaky memory that if we've met before, my apologies)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 12:37:02 pm
Over on the car side the saffers are holding up well. Giniel running 9th at wp10, Brian and Taye at 13th through wp9 and Henk Lategan at 19th through wp9.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: boland on January 04, 2021, 12:52:57 pm
So Short on the Husky is out with a mechanical and Walkner also had clutch and gearbox issues...are the rally bikes also built in India now :peepwall:  :lol8: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 04, 2021, 12:57:34 pm
Over on the car side the saffers are holding up well. Giniel running 9th at wp10, Brian and Taye at 13th through wp9 and Henk Lategan at 19th through wp9.
Wonder if we will ever have a Saffer truck team? I would like that. :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 04, 2021, 01:13:38 pm
sub..thanx for info etc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 01:38:31 pm
Stray shot of Ross....

https://story.snapchat.com/s/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYrvdHYUn7boEsAXbMogC7AXbMof_XAO1OAA/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 04, 2021, 01:44:21 pm
Over on the car side the saffers are holding up well. Giniel running 9th at wp10, Brian and Taye at 13th through wp9 and Henk Lategan at 19th through wp9.

And Brian Bara/Taye Perry now 7th today and 8th overall ahead of some serious names...!
Not bad for a rookie team!
Geniel 18th.....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 01:45:43 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 04, 2021, 01:56:48 pm
So Short on the Husky is out with a mechanical and Walkner also had clutch and gearbox issues...are the rally bikes also built in India now :peepwall:  :lol8: :lol8:

Short is riding a factory Yamaha
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:01:29 pm
Nasser at full attack mode:

https://web.facebook.com/majd.iswed80/videos/3739558276101473
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:04:01 pm
Some randoms from the interwebs: This guy has good content - https://web.facebook.com/media/set/?vanity=majd.iswed80&set=a.3736317199758914
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:07:49 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: boland on January 04, 2021, 02:12:57 pm
So Short on the Husky is out with a mechanical and Walkner also had clutch and gearbox issues...are the rally bikes also built in India now :peepwall:  :lol8: :lol8:

Short is riding a factory Yamaha

Oops, forgot about that :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:14:39 pm
So Short on the Husky is out with a mechanical and Walkner also had clutch and gearbox issues...are the rally bikes also built in India now :peepwall:  :lol8: :lol8:

Short is riding a factory Yamaha

Oops, forgot about that :thumleft:

That said two factory KTM's had issues. Walker with clutch-or something and Price had issues with his rear fuel tank.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 04, 2021, 02:14:48 pm
Nasser at full attack mode:

https://web.facebook.com/majd.iswed80/videos/3739558276101473

Ugh, that would terrify me if I was on the bike.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:15:35 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:15:59 pm
Nasser at full attack mode:

https://web.facebook.com/majd.iswed80/videos/3739558276101473

Ugh, that would terrify me if I was on the bike.

Ja I was thinking the same thing. Those cars are insane.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 02:30:25 pm
J. Alexander at PK351  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 02:44:58 pm
J. Alexander at PK351  :thumleft:

What a man
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 02:45:41 pm


Awesome day out there Ross

https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1385508298470507/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on January 04, 2021, 02:49:11 pm
J. Alexander at PK351  :thumleft:

 :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ventana on January 04, 2021, 02:54:29 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 03:07:19 pm
JA in at PK398 only ASS to go.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 03:32:13 pm
JA --PK389-- at 15h19

getting stuck in sand 30km in and again after 300km
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 03:44:51 pm
stunning pic- but imagine blood sweat and tears
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 03:45:58 pm
Today looked rough in the Sand... but he is in ASS....  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 04, 2021, 03:52:56 pm
Roelants NUMBER 69 is sitting at 81st only 7 places in front of J.A.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 04, 2021, 04:03:07 pm
117 🇧🇼 J. Alexander P88 @ ASS Provisional
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 04:09:53 pm
117 🇧🇼 J. Alexander P88 @ ASS Provisional

Lekker  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 04:22:19 pm
Bloody hell Nasser can drive

https://web.facebook.com/sadakargroup/videos/258421839040410
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 04:29:29 pm


Feedback from Brian & Taye
https://web.facebook.com/watch/?v=732257684071204&t=0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 04, 2021, 04:50:56 pm
I’m thoroughly upset about Price and Walkners bike issues! I mean c’mon KTM, clutch and fuel supply issues on the 2nd day? It’s not like they haven’t been doing this for years already. Mechanical issues halfway through, sure, but this is unacceptable especially given the pressure of having to take the title back.

There’s only one person that has what it takes to take back No1 for KTM, especially at their current deficit, and that’s Price. There are many riding gods on this forum But this guy is next-level.

Sunderland and Walkner are good, actually just... “meh”, but with the stiff competition lately it needs a special kind of rider and Price is a special kind of f’ed-up luckily.

If you’re a Dakar fan, have a look at what a machine this guy is and his abilities:

https://youtu.be/ECcGSo28dmk

Kurt Caselli called it when Price was enlisted as the water boy and got podium on his FIRST Dakar. Took Brabec about 5 tries? Ignoring that his ride gave him quite a bit of troubles previously of course.

The Ricky Brabec segment is also pretty good - Also a guy with a lot of talent. Personally I think besides Price, KTM can do a lot better ito riders,

Brabec:

https://youtu.be/KvyAabqzhvc


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 04:53:05 pm
Some feedback from James Alexander
https://web.facebook.com/101296645091086/videos/248786999999557
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 04, 2021, 04:56:18 pm
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 05:05:11 pm
I would say that the top of the field has grown a lot with TP and Brabec being the top two riders out there. If either of them make any serious mistakes there is a whole host of guys ready to take the win.

Regarding the time TP lost today, fuel issue aside, it was clearly a very hard stage to open. Someone made the comment over on advrider that something TP was struggling with is reading the terrain in advance which is what the aliens like Despres and Coma were really good at doing. They were able to keep the lead from the front. If you look at the clip of TP in the sand earlier you can see he eventually got over the first dune just to ride into a hole. With the new roadbook rules now well established the whole navigation challenge has changed. You are effectively riding blind following the roadbook, no more map men assistance so just being the fastest rider is not good enough. That said, TP has what it takes to win again and it is likely between him and Brabec for 1st place this year I think.

I suspect the new roadbook rules would eventually result in delivering another Alien who can navigate blind and still lead. Maybe TP gets there eventually, will have to wait and see.

Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...

He's 16th and he's got Mike Horn (a saffa) navigating for him as far as I know.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Andy660 on January 04, 2021, 08:19:36 pm
Ross Branch (4th today)
and
Brian Baragwanith.(7th today)
Yeah.!
Amageza boitjies 👍👍👍
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2021, 08:45:35 pm
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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You mentioned "riding gods", Peterhansel probably the top riding God the Dakar ever saw. Bikes and cars, equally good.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 04, 2021, 09:00:58 pm
Where is Cyril this year? Seems not all bike to car transitions go as well as Peterhansel...


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You mentioned "riding gods", Peterhansel probably the top riding God the Dakar ever saw. Bikes and cars, equally good.
Indeed sir! A disciple of displacement


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 04, 2021, 09:47:17 pm
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 04, 2021, 09:58:53 pm
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

Exactly, who needs to read terrain better than a desert racer?

Like those old-style American desert races, with hundreds of bikes starting in one long line next to each other, and all racing as fast as possible towards a distant bottle neck. :ricky: :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 04, 2021, 09:59:12 pm
I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

I think you misunderstood the point that was made. Niemand sê hy kan nie terrein lees nie, daar is net gesê dat hy dit nie noodwendig so goed doen soos wat die aliens vantevore dit kon doen nie en dit is juis wat nodig is met die nuwe roadbook reels. Regarding dakar not being flat out, the pace was still very fast today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 04, 2021, 11:05:34 pm
I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

I think you misunderstood the point that was made. Niemand sê hy kan nie terrein lees nie, daar is net gesê dat hy dit nie noodwendig so goed doen soos wat die aliens vantevore dit kon doen nie en dit is juis wat nodig is met die nuwe roadbook reels. Regarding dakar not being flat out, the pace was still very fast today.

Ag tjom, help nie ons debateer oor bedoelinge. "Not good at reading terrain" does not equate to "hy kan nie terrein lees".

 Feit is dat daardie 'aliens' hulle roadbooks baie lank kon 'bestudeer', unlike die un-alien like Price! As jy weet wat ek bedoel  :snorting:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 04, 2021, 11:08:26 pm
I just have a funny feeling that Toby is going to leave Dakar sooner than later.  He's been a flat-out desert racer, that's what he wants to do and one get's the impression that things are just getting way too sedate and complicated for his liking - for me he's demeanor has changed a lot, especially since last year. 

I noticed that he's really been enjoying the Trophy trucks, especially combining it with the bike and focusing on the double at the Finke Rally. Maybe that will be enough to give him his adrenaline rush so it balances out with the 'new, more sedate Dakar'.

I don't know the chirpers from Adv Riders who say he's possibly not that good at reading terrain.  Soos Weskus sal se, "o gots nou praat hulle kak"  :laughing4: :laughing4:

Exactly, who needs to read terrain better than a desert racer?

Like those old-style American desert races, with hundreds of bikes starting in one long line next to each other, and all racing as fast as possible towards a distant bottle neck. :ricky: :eek7: :eek7:

Prezactly  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on January 05, 2021, 01:14:55 am
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: trevo on January 05, 2021, 06:10:59 am
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"? - MEN ARE FROM MARS  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 06:21:04 am
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?

The ability to read a road book, read terrain, navigate, all at once while riding flat out and making it look easy, when everyone around them are struggling and breaking bikes and getting lost. They are "aliens", the Dakar has always had a few.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 05, 2021, 06:43:56 am
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?

The ability to read a road book, read terrain, navigate, all at once while riding flat out and making it look easy, when everyone around them are struggling and breaking bikes and getting lost. They are "aliens", the Dakar has always had a few.  :thumleft:
Alien = beyond human abilities
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 07:02:30 am
Winning a stage, hence opening the next day, looks like being a liability, JBB has lost 8 minutes at the first WP, how will team tactics change, will the front runners bunch more to get a good time but avoid the lead?  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 07:03:05 am
Why are some guys referred to as "aliens"?

The ability to read a road book, read terrain, navigate, all at once while riding flat out and making it look easy, when everyone around them are struggling and breaking bikes and getting lost. They are "aliens", the Dakar has always had a few.  :thumleft:
Alien = beyond human abilities

Much simpler.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 07:20:46 am
Winning a stage, hence opening the next day, looks like being a liability, JBB has lost 8 minutes at the first WP, how will team tactics change, will the front runners bunch more to get a good time but avoid the lead?  ::)

Still very early on but Ross is in a good spot for podium if he can keep finishing the stages between 3rd-6th place.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 05, 2021, 07:38:17 am
Winning a stage, hence opening the next day, looks like being a liability, JBB has lost 8 minutes at the first WP, how will team tactics change, will the front runners bunch more to get a good time but avoid the lead?  ::)

Still very early on but Ross is in a good spot for podium if he can keep finishing the stages between 3rd-6th place.
dont know if yamaha have demonstrated the type of reliability needed for that in last few decades of sakar but we hope for kalahari ferrari and all
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 08:08:24 am
Toby Price is back on the pace today being only 23seconds down at wp2. Barreda's pace seem to be very similar to TP's from yesterday, it is tough at the front.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 05, 2021, 08:11:41 am
Some more...

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Awesome foto's :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 05, 2021, 08:14:06 am
Bloody hell Nasser can drive

https://web.facebook.com/sadakargroup/videos/258421839040410

Flat taps.... :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 05, 2021, 08:17:07 am
I’m thoroughly upset about Price and Walkners bike issues! I mean c’mon KTM, clutch and fuel supply issues on the 2nd day? It’s not like they haven’t been doing this for years already. Mechanical issues halfway through, sure, but this is unacceptable especially given the pressure of having to take the title back.

There’s only one person that has what it takes to take back No1 for KTM, especially at their current deficit, and that’s Price. There are many riding gods on this forum But this guy is next-level.

Sunderland and Walkner are good, actually just... “meh”, but with the stiff competition lately it needs a special kind of rider and Price is a special kind of f’ed-up luckily.

If you’re a Dakar fan, have a look at what a machine this guy is and his abilities:

https://youtu.be/ECcGSo28dmk

Kurt Caselli called it when Price was enlisted as the water boy and got podium on his FIRST Dakar. Took Brabec about 5 tries? Ignoring that his ride gave him quite a bit of troubles previously of course.

The Ricky Brabec segment is also pretty good - Also a guy with a lot of talent. Personally I think besides Price, KTM can do a lot better ito riders,

Brabec:

https://youtu.be/KvyAabqzhvc


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TB's riding skills is insane...  Not only on 2 wheels but also on 4 wheels :o  Very competitive and talented
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 08:21:36 am
I’m thoroughly upset about Price and Walkners bike issues! I mean c’mon KTM, clutch and fuel supply issues on the 2nd day? It’s not like they haven’t been doing this for years already. Mechanical issues halfway through, sure, but this is unacceptable especially given the pressure of having to take the title back.

There’s only one person that has what it takes to take back No1 for KTM, especially at their current deficit, and that’s Price. There are many riding gods on this forum But this guy is next-level.

Sunderland and Walkner are good, actually just... “meh”, but with the stiff competition lately it needs a special kind of rider and Price is a special kind of f’ed-up luckily.

If you’re a Dakar fan, have a look at what a machine this guy is and his abilities:

https://youtu.be/ECcGSo28dmk

Kurt Caselli called it when Price was enlisted as the water boy and got podium on his FIRST Dakar. Took Brabec about 5 tries? Ignoring that his ride gave him quite a bit of troubles previously of course.

The Ricky Brabec segment is also pretty good - Also a guy with a lot of talent. Personally I think besides Price, KTM can do a lot better ito riders,

Brabec:

https://youtu.be/KvyAabqzhvc


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TB's riding skills is insane...  Not only on 2 wheels but also on 4 wheels :o  Very competitive and talented

Who is "TB" do you mean Two Pies?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 05, 2021, 08:24:37 am
I’m thoroughly upset about Price and Walkners bike issues! I mean c’mon KTM, clutch and fuel supply issues on the 2nd day? It’s not like they haven’t been doing this for years already. Mechanical issues halfway through, sure, but this is unacceptable especially given the pressure of having to take the title back.

There’s only one person that has what it takes to take back No1 for KTM, especially at their current deficit, and that’s Price. There are many riding gods on this forum But this guy is next-level.

Sunderland and Walkner are good, actually just... “meh”, but with the stiff competition lately it needs a special kind of rider and Price is a special kind of f’ed-up luckily.

If you’re a Dakar fan, have a look at what a machine this guy is and his abilities:

https://youtu.be/ECcGSo28dmk

Kurt Caselli called it when Price was enlisted as the water boy and got podium on his FIRST Dakar. Took Brabec about 5 tries? Ignoring that his ride gave him quite a bit of troubles previously of course.

The Ricky Brabec segment is also pretty good - Also a guy with a lot of talent. Personally I think besides Price, KTM can do a lot better ito riders,

Brabec:

https://youtu.be/KvyAabqzhvc


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TB's riding skills is insane...  Not only on 2 wheels but also on 4 wheels :o  Very competitive and talented

Who is "TB" do you mean Two Pies?  :biggrin:

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:  oh shit, sorry.... typo :deal: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 05, 2021, 08:27:39 am
Seeing that Brian and Taye is currently doing better than Geniel, will they get a Gazoo toyota for next year? >:D

Met die pace van die ander manne, kan ek net nie sien dat Geniet weer in daai top 5 gaan kom nie. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 08:30:00 am
By my calc's Ross has caught JBB so they will be opening in a group of about 5 together, Brabec, Pablo, Ross and JBB.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 08:38:23 am
Henk Lategan on FIRE>>>
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 08:39:34 am
By my calc's Ross has caught JBB so they will be opening in a group of about 5 together, Brabec, Pablo, Ross and JBB.  8)

Jip
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 08:40:20 am
Henk Lategan on FIRE>>>

I mean fast not literally on fire...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 08:45:39 am
Interesting to note the times of the first 10 or so bikes on stage. It is very tough at the front, look at the difference in pace with the guys running behind them.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 05, 2021, 08:56:04 am
18 🇧🇼 R. Branch P2 @ PK235 Provisional

117 🇧🇼 J. Alexander P90 @ PK88 Provisional

Benavides still leads
Kevin Benavides is maintaining his lead ahead of Toby Price. The Australian trails by a little more than 20 seconds while Matthias Walkner, who lost almost two hours on Monday due to a technical problem, completes the top three, 1’21 behind the current stage leader. The Honda and the two KTM lead the first Yamaha on today’s stage, ridden by Caimi Franco.



credit Johan Dakar group

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 09:13:40 am
18 🇧🇼 R. Branch P2 @ PK235 Provisional

Ross was 18th at WP5/km235. Need to wait to post the standings for each waypoint until at least the first 15-20 bikes have passed through.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 05, 2021, 09:16:22 am
Meanwhile in the cars it seems the Mini's got a bit lost trying to follow Nasser... :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 05, 2021, 09:29:48 am
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/andrew-short-exit-fuel-stop/4935904/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 09:39:22 am
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/andrew-short-exit-fuel-stop/4935904/

Don't quite know what to make of that yet. Why would only 2-3 bikes get water issues if that was the problem?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 09:43:55 am
Looking at the times it seems like BB and Brabec are riding together but I cant imagine that they would be out front anymore.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 09:44:28 am
18 🇧🇼 R. Branch P2 @ PK235 Provisional

Ross was 18th at WP5/km235. Need to wait to post the standings for each waypoint until at least the first 15-20 bikes have passed through.

Nonetheless, Ross has been clawing back after a small mistake before CP1 and is still running out front with a small pack of riders. :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 09:47:57 am
18 🇧🇼 R. Branch P2 @ PK235 Provisional

Ross was 18th at WP5/km235. Need to wait to post the standings for each waypoint until at least the first 15-20 bikes have passed through.

Nonetheless, Ross has been clawing back after a small mistake before CP1 and is still running out front with a small pack of riders. :thumleft:

Ross is riding very well, unfortunately as we've seen so far this year being near the front is a big disadvantage at this stage of the game.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 09:48:20 am
Looking at the times it seems like BB and Brabec are riding together but I cant imagine that they would be out front anymore.

The Chillian guy with Tequila name is out front with Pablo, Brabec and Bareda

(https://i.postimg.cc/DyP5m5DW/Dakar.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

Short on their heals are the 2 Factory Yamaha boys!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 09:51:22 am
18 🇧🇼 R. Branch P2 @ PK235 Provisional

Ross was 18th at WP5/km235. Need to wait to post the standings for each waypoint until at least the first 15-20 bikes have passed through.

Nonetheless, Ross has been clawing back after a small mistake before CP1 and is still running out front with a small pack of riders. :thumleft:

Ross is riding very well, unfortunately as we've seen so far this year being near the front is a big disadvantage at this stage of the game.

But he is in an excellent position running mid front pack.

Half way through today the top 20 was split by a mere 10min, running 10th-15th and only 10min behind the leaders (who lost the 10min yesterday from opening) puts him in a perfect position for Navigation and placement.

Still early days but the times are tight and although not relevant, keeping an eye on the overall per CP it changes every 5min and the top 5-10 are tight!

Next week will be interesting indeed!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on January 05, 2021, 09:54:12 am
Seeing that Brian and Taye is currently doing better than Geniel, will they get a Gazoo toyota for next year? >:D

Met die pace van die ander manne, kan ek net nie sien dat Geniet weer in daai top 5 gaan kom nie.

My opinion, but if the rules stay the same, I think the 4x4's will win as an exception, as has been proved the last years. Toyota is sticking to the recipe as this is what they need to do to market the Hilux and because they have put so much development into it. I think the buggys are better with the bigger wheel size and tyre pressure systems. Only a true alien like Nasser will win in a 4x4, and he'll need to get lucky. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 09:54:32 am
This quote from advrider sums up just how good the move to Saudi has been for the Dakar (in my opinion) as well as how much the top of the field has grown.

Quote
Things may not be levelling out as much as yesterday - maybe JBB was at warp speed - what will be interesting though is that after today we may have 15 or more riders within 15 or so minutes of the lead - unheard of!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 10:03:09 am
My sentiment exactly, early days but i mean there are at least 15 guys in contention this year.

Our top 6 front runners, Ross and Van Beveren keeping steady behind the 4 front runners who are sticking together.

(https://i.postimg.cc/v8JfM9Z4/Dakar.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xqPc3XHQ)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 10:03:53 am
My sentiment exactly, early days but i mean there are at least 15 guys in contention this year.

Our top 6 front runners, Ross and Van Beveren keeping steady behind the 4 front runners who are sticking together.


Top 25 on todays stage split by 20 min.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 10:10:06 am
I'm sure @Xpat must be keeping an eye on his countryman. Svitko is a super talented rider, surprised he's not on a factory ride.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 10:12:52 am
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/andrew-short-exit-fuel-stop/4935904/

Another Fuelgate ... rather Fuckupgate  :dousing:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 10:26:11 am
Top guys all in the ASS - looks like Ross may rise to the top  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 05, 2021, 10:27:12 am
Looks like 2nd, 3min off leader

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 10:28:07 am
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/andrew-short-exit-fuel-stop/4935904/

Another Fuelgate ... rather Fuckupgate  :dousing:

I still say I'm not convinced. Then more people should have had issues...  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 10:35:51 am
Looks like 2nd, 3min off leader

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Probably 3rd - about 7 minutes off but can change.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 10:39:10 am
Henk Lategan having a storming drive today.  Brian and Taye seem to have fallen off a bit and Giniel looks like he's having a nightmare..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 10:40:02 am
Looks like 2nd, 3min off leader

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Probably 3rd - about 7 minutes off but can change.

14th-17th with 12-15min behind the leaders.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 10:41:38 am
Henk Lategan having a storming drive today.  Brian and Taye seem to have fallen off a bit and Giniel looks like he's having a nightmare..

Brian and Taye must have had an issue, flat or stuck because they dropped about 24min between wp3 & 4. Fairly steady again after that.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 10:44:37 am
@Just In Time  Henk is having an awesome day and a good start to this year's race. He should finish well if he can keep it up.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 10:54:56 am
Looks like 2nd, 3min off leader

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Probably 3rd - about 7 minutes off but can change.

14th-17th with 12-15min behind the leaders.

I was referring to projected overall placing. Now about 6th still down 7 odd minutes. Price and Benevides had a stonking race that has pushed them up and Price will take the stage win.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 10:57:55 am
 :thumleft:

Perfect position for Ross (today and overall) with the big boys opening the track again!
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 11:02:53 am
And Price put the hammer down closing the gap to only 2min from yesterday.

Sunderland just behind him - The pressure is on.

If there is anyone that can dominate AND open a stage it’s Price, lets see if that transpires tomorrow.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 05, 2021, 11:12:58 am
Walkner already on liason but no time yet for last CP . . .

TP back in the game just like that!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 11:14:12 am
David Knight stopped at WP8 - was doing a fantastic job.  Hope he'll be able to carry on.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 11:17:06 am
And Price put the hammer down closing the gap to only 2min from yesterday.

Sunderland just behind him - The pressure is on.

If there is anyone that can dominate AND open a stage it’s Price, lets see if that transpires tomorrow.


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So what was he up to yesterday ... as last year as well?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 11:17:13 am
Why are we not seeing Walkner’s time? Probably going to get a data dump soon. I suspect he’s got a pretty good time if nothing happened.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 11:18:56 am
Why are we not seeing Walkner’s time? Probably going to get a data dump soon. I suspect he’s got a pretty good time if nothing happened.


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He's not in ASS yet
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 11:19:08 am
And Price put the hammer down closing the gap to only 2min from yesterday.

Sunderland just behind him - The pressure is on.

If there is anyone that can dominate AND open a stage it’s Price, lets see if that transpires tomorrow.


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So what was he up to yesterday ... as last year as well?
Some nav problems (his fault) but he also had rear fuel pump issues allegedly and had to take it slow. How many stages has he opened and won compared to other contenders over the years?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 11:21:25 am
Walkner 3rd on stage
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 11:21:56 am
Walkner in at 2:36 deficit for the stage

2 hour total deficit

So he reduced his general deficit by 13minutes, wonder what the likelihood is of a podium finish if he continues on a similar trajectory assuming no further problems...

Would be quite a feat to close that gap, certainly somewhat of a possibility with the new race format.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 05, 2021, 11:33:53 am
TP to open again tomorrow. Perhaps not such a good idea

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 11:35:10 am
TP to open again tomorrow. Perhaps not such a good idea

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He had no choice actually. Had to make up the time.

Only other alternative was to make up the time over the rest of the stages little by little but that’s risky.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 05, 2021, 11:44:57 am
Looks like Honda have Benevides in the right place.  A bit of team strategy going on here me thinks.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 05, 2021, 12:01:44 pm
Howes takes the lead in the general standings
With the fourth best time on the day’s special, Skyler Howes takes over form Joan Barreda at the top of the general standings. The former rival of title holder Ricky Brabec in the USA now possesses a lead of 33’’ over Argentinean Kevin Benavides and 1'28 over Frenchman Xavier De Soultrait.

Ross drop to 6th with 7 minutes behind

Johan dakar group
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 12:01:52 pm
Ross at 6th and 7 minute back is cool, at 17th on the stage he will start tomorrow where the fast times are made.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 12:28:41 pm
@BiG DoM Last year TP was riding with a broken wrist.
Yesterday was a really tough stage to open. This year being first on stage seems to be a big disadvantage.

@Welsh Ja that seems to be the perfect starting position this year.



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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 12:33:50 pm
How could I forget about the broken wrist

TP is an alien if you’ve ever seen one.

Sanders isn’t doing too badly either for his first Dakar, I think this is only his second rally ever?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 05, 2021, 12:52:42 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 12:54:45 pm
How could I forget about the broken wrist

TP is an alien if you’ve ever seen one.

Sanders isn’t doing too badly either for his first Dakar, I think this is only his second rally ever?


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TP is good, but he has a long way to go to claim true alien status. He might just get there though.



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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 12:55:45 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 05, 2021, 12:57:29 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Yes Mr Dakar has been known to do this to bikers tailing him when he was in front in his biking days. . .  :)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 12:58:17 pm
How could I forget about the broken wrist

TP is an alien if you’ve ever seen one.

Sanders isn’t doing too badly either for his first Dakar, I think this is only his second rally ever?


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TP is good, but he has a long way to go to claim true alien status. He might just get there though.



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Would you not classify him as close to alien given his achievements? First dakar podium as water boy, two wins, broken wrist podium, broken neck with a win soon thereafter...

Sure compared to Mr dakar and Cyril perhaps not just due to the win totals not being there, but sheer abilities and doing so against the odds.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 05, 2021, 01:01:36 pm
How could I forget about the broken wrist

TP is an alien if you’ve ever seen one.

Sanders isn’t doing too badly either for his first Dakar, I think this is only his second rally ever?


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TP is good, but he has a long way to go to claim true alien status. He might just get there though.



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Would you not classify him as close to alien given his achievements? First dakar podium as water boy, two wins, broken wrist podium, broken neck with a win soon thereafter...

Sure compared to Mr dakar and Cyril perhaps not just due to the win totals not being there, but sheer abilities and doing so against the odds.


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Coma and Depressed are mainly classed as aliens due to their ability to win a stage and then the next day while opening win again and again.
Not taking anything away from them cause hell they sure could ride a bike, but we must remember that they still received the roadbooks the night before. . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 01:01:48 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Yes Mr Dakar has been known to do this to bikers tailing him when he was in front in his biking days. . .  :)
So did he lead them astray while in the lead and then still able to win even though he sacrificed?

Or did team mates do the honour?

Hell that so sneaky I’m surprised they haven’t tried to make it a violation on some way

Brilliant though and would have made me livid if I was on the receiving end of that.

To be fair, everyone know in racing bikes, NEVER blindly follow so probably deserved if they fell for it.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 05, 2021, 01:05:16 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Jordi Arcarons was sitting on SP tail for the whole Rally letting him do all the work so SP missed a checkpoint on purpose he then faked a mechanical issue and stopped to “work” on his bike. As soon as Arcarons dissapeared over the dune SP went back made the checkpoint and continued with the stage. Arcarons missed the checkpoint and received a 2 hour penalty  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 05, 2021, 01:10:38 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Tsk tsk  :nono: BraapBek FTW !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: geopat on January 05, 2021, 01:11:39 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Jordi Arcarons was sitting on SP tail for the whole Rally letting him do all the work so SP missed a checkpoint on purpose he then faked a mechanical issue and stopped to “work” on his bike. As soon as Arcarons dissapeared over the dune SP went back made the checkpoint and continued with the stage. Arcarons missed the checkpoint and received a 2 hour penalty  >:D

That's fucking magic haha
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 01:16:38 pm
How could I forget about the broken wrist

TP is an alien if you’ve ever seen one.

Sanders isn’t doing too badly either for his first Dakar, I think this is only his second rally ever?


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Would you not classify him as close to alien given his achievements? First dakar podium as water boy, two wins, broken wrist podium, broken neck with a win soon thereafter...

Sure compared to Mr dakar and Cyril perhaps not just due to the win totals not being there, but sheer abilities and doing so against the odds.


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Coma and Depressed are mainly classed as aliens due to their ability to win a stage and then the next day while opening win again and again.
Not taking anything away from them cause hell they sure could ride a bike, but we must remember that they still received the roadbooks the night before. . .
That right there makes a substantial difference.

Doing so now would prove to be quite the accomplishment.

Just as an interesting point, just to appreciate how tough the navigation is.

When we’re doing Hard Enduro events (roof/impi etc) we’re running two gps’s (Etrex). One is zoomed out to about 150m and one at 40-55 metres.

Close up you need to ensure you don’t take the wrong line, which in hard enduro happens easily die to the proximity of really bad lines and can cause you to lose massive time when scaling a steep climb. Zoomed out one to ensure you’re heading in the right direction. With the slow speeds and technical nature of hard enduro the bike is constantly changing direction and you need to be constantly pushing as much as possible, judge the next section, manage massive fatigue and still figure out the route on two gps’s while “racing”.

Of course you get the route the previous day and you are to some extent able to study the route but that rarely makes a difference, at least not at my level. Perhaps it does to the pro’s.

As a whole making navigation errors with two gps’s is very common and usually you’ll lose quite a bit of time when racing even if you’re a pro by making lots of small little nav errors.

I can tell you that it’s TOUGH doing all this and still trying to race using gps’s with preloaded tracks. You get used to the multitasking, which is what it is with the added pressure of trying to do well, but let me tell you:

Racing at the level of the top guys at the Dakar and navigating using bloody insignificant landmarks on a piece of paper and having to manually scroll this page, zero cap meters and count off - That in itself is bloody godlike!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 01:17:39 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Jordi Arcarons was sitting on SP tail for the whole Rally letting him do all the work so SP missed a checkpoint on purpose he then faked a mechanical issue and stopped to “work” on his bike. As soon as Arcarons dissapeared over the dune SP went back made the checkpoint and continued with the stage. Arcarons missed the checkpoint and received a 2 hour penalty  >:D
I’m in awe! What a play.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 05, 2021, 01:26:11 pm

stunning pics

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref=external&v=443512883495022
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 05, 2021, 02:07:39 pm
Jordi Arcarons was sitting on SP tail for the whole Rally letting him do all the work so SP missed a checkpoint on purpose he then faked a mechanical issue and stopped to “work” on his bike. As soon as Arcarons dissapeared over the dune SP went back made the checkpoint and continued with the stage. Arcarons missed the checkpoint and received a 2 hour penalty  >:D

Haha, brilliant. After checking this I respect SP's decision  :lol8: Someone tailing me like that will frustrate me to no end...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 05, 2021, 02:10:20 pm
The answer for KTM lies with "Peterhansel". . .  8) ;)
So they must get Walkner to take the stage win and then the next day Walkner  does a "Peterhansel" and take a whole bunch of the blerry Honda's with him  . . .  :patch: :)
Has this been done before? Is that why you’re referring to Peterhansel?

Interesting strategy to lead them astray assuming you can keep the lead...


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Jordi Arcarons was sitting on SP tail for the whole Rally letting him do all the work so SP missed a checkpoint on purpose he then faked a mechanical issue and stopped to “work” on his bike. As soon as Arcarons dissapeared over the dune SP went back made the checkpoint and continued with the stage. Arcarons missed the checkpoint and received a 2 hour penalty  >:D

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 05, 2021, 02:46:35 pm
update from SA Dakar site
Double Dakar winner Toby Price won the day on two wheels for KTM by a minute and ten seconds over Honda rider Kevin Benavides, KTM teammates Mattias Walkner, Skyler Howes and Sam Sunderland, and Xavier de Soultrait on a Husqvarna.
The day was however once again a disaster for the first four riders away. Overnight leaders Joan Barreda, his Honda teammate Ricky Brabec, Husqvarna rider Pablo Quintanilla and Botswana Yamaha hero Ross Branch all lost huge time in the first sector. They came home 30th, 25th 23rd and 17th respectively. It was the third day in three where the bike frontrunners have been severely compromised in finding their way and lost considerable time, very early in the day.
Those inconsistent results have also completely shaken up the leaderboard. KTM privateer Skyler Howes, who has quietly got on with it on the verges of the top ten  with 13th, 8th and 11th place finishes each day, now leads the bike race overall against all odds. Benavides, de Soultrait , Price, Sunderland, Branch, Barreda and Yamaha rider van Beveren complete to top eight. They have either starred or struggled each day, seemingly penalised by strong performances on the eve.
Another remarkable aspect of all this, is that in spite of the radical changes of fortune across the front running field each day, the top ten were separated by less than ten minutes at he end of Day 3. That has also led to speculation of a ‘Hand of God’ element in a race that has so far packed in all the components of a fiction thriller…
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 04:37:40 pm
Just some comments/comparisons regarding TP possibly getting to alien status. I do think TP might end up with alien status but for interest sake he wins on average 2 stages per dakar he competes in to date and he won 2/6 races. Stephane Peterhansel won 3.3 stages per dakar and he won 6/10 races. Sure, TP has had some issues including racing with a broken wrist last year (which is just insane to be honest) and I'm super curious to see where he ends up this year especially consider he already has two stage wins by day 3 (pretty impressive). As has been mentioned the new rules with the roadbooks brings a whole new dynamic to the race, bloody exiting if you ask me and quite good at leveling the playing field a bit.

Toby Price:
6 Dakars
2 x 1st place
3 x 3rd
1 x dnf
12 stage wins


Stephane Peterhansel: (on bikes)
10 Dakars
6 x 1st place
1 x dnf
1 x dsq
1 x 4th
33 stage wins

Marc Coma:
12 Dakars
5 x 1st place
3 x dnf
2 x 2nd
24 stage wins

Cyril Despres: (on bikes)
14 Dakars
5 x 1st place
4 x 2nd
1 x 3rd
31 stage wins
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 04:42:24 pm
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/andrew-short-exit-fuel-stop/4935904/

Don't quite know what to make of that yet. Why would only 2-3 bikes get water issues if that was the problem?

Turns out that Andrew Short did get contaminated fuel. What a stuffup by the ASO.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 04:44:48 pm
Thanks for this, very interesting!

Any way you can include quantity of stage wins after opening the sage?

The nav shuffle is proving to yield quite an entertaining Dakar, high turnover of leaders and a good concentration of top guys with minimal time difference that can be maintained. A lead very quickly evaporates which focuses results on consistent riding ability and navigation prowess.

Previously it took one or two big pushes coupled with a follower that has a big time knock to create a situation where a lead can be maintained.

Interesting times.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 04:50:02 pm
Thanks for this, very interesting!

Any way you can include quantity of stage wins after opening the sage?

The nav shuffle is proving to yield quite an entertaining Dakar, high turnover of leaders and a good concentration of top guys with minimal time difference that can be maintained. A lead very quickly evaporates which focuses results on consistent riding ability and navigation prowess.

Previously it took one or two big pushes coupled with a follower that has a big time knock to create a situation where a lead can be maintained.

Interesting times.


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I'll need to do some digging for the details on stage opening and winning...

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A lead very quickly evaporates which focuses results on consistent riding ability and navigation prowess.
This aspect I'm really enjoying and I think it is a combination of 3 things as I've said before. More off piste/twin track terrain than South America where they had a of gravel road sections, new roadbook rules and a big group of riders that can ride at the front. The top of the field has grown a lot and the combinations of all these mean you don't really get to make many mistakes and win. If you make even a few small mistakes the other guys will be all over you. I love it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 04:56:26 pm
Over at the cars, Nasser with another stage win and Henk Lategan with a 2nd place on stage and 7th overall. What a man with Brett Cummings (biker) navigating.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 05, 2021, 05:11:17 pm
Thanks for this, very interesting!

Any way you can include quantity of stage wins after opening the sage?

The nav shuffle is proving to yield quite an entertaining Dakar, high turnover of leaders and a good concentration of top guys with minimal time difference that can be maintained. A lead very quickly evaporates which focuses results on consistent riding ability and navigation prowess.

Previously it took one or two big pushes coupled with a follower that has a big time knock to create a situation where a lead can be maintained.

Interesting times.


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I'll need to do some digging for the details on stage opening and winning...

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A lead very quickly evaporates which focuses results on consistent riding ability and navigation prowess.
This aspect I'm really enjoying and I think it is a combination of 3 things as I've said before. More off piste/twin track terrain than South America where they had a of gravel road sections, new roadbook rules and a big group of riders that can ride at the front. The top of the field has grown a lot and the combinations of all these mean you don't really get to make many mistakes and win. If you make even a few small mistakes the other guys will be all over you. I love it.

Yeah for sure i agree 100% that the roadbook thing has really spiced the race up  :thumleft:
But the tire thing makes no sense and i also feel that if the organizers keep this up they will loose competitors and definitely supporters. . .  :patch:
What is next. . . riders having to stop and look for clues in the bushes and answer questions and jump trough hoops etc . . .  :dousing:
Let the guys  with fast bike that can ride fast do so . . . as that is why i am watching
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 05:18:41 pm
Just some comments/comparisons regarding TP possibly getting to alien status. I do think TP might end up with alien status but for interest sake he wins on average 2 stages per dakar he competes in to date and he won 2/6 races. Stephane Peterhansel won 3.3 stages per dakar and he won 6/10 races. Sure, TP has had some issues including racing with a broken wrist last year (which is just insane to be honest) and I'm super curious to see where he ends up this year especially consider he already has two stage wins by day 3 (pretty impressive). As has been mentioned the new rules with the roadbooks brings a whole new dynamic to the race, bloody exiting if you ask me and quite good at leveling the playing field a bit.

Toby Price:
6 Dakars
2 x 1st place
3 x 3rd
1 x dnf
12 stage wins


Stephane Peterhansel: (on bikes)
10 Dakars
6 x 1st place
1 x dnf
1 x dsq
1 x 4th
33 stage wins

Marc Coma:
12 Dakars
5 x 1st place
3 x dnf
2 x 2nd
24 stage wins

Cyril Despres: (on bikes)
14 Dakars
5 x 1st place
4 x 2nd
1 x 3rd
31 stage wins

Very different race, riders and rules these days. IMHO anyone in the top 10 is an alien - in fact anyone who completes the Dakar. This alien shyte is tiring.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 05:29:08 pm
Okay, now Mr Short, gets contaminated fuel:

Does he:

1. Try to clean the system.
2. Dump it and bum fuel from team mates / support.
3. Wait for technical assistance, other riders help, his own back up 

Or press the retrieve button and a helicopter fetches him, the opposite of what Walkner did.  :sip:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RedWolf on January 05, 2021, 05:44:52 pm
Just some comments/comparisons regarding TP possibly getting to alien status. I do think TP might end up with alien status but for interest sake he wins on average 2 stages per dakar he competes in to date and he won 2/6 races. Stephane Peterhansel won 3.3 stages per dakar and he won 6/10 races. Sure, TP has had some issues including racing with a broken wrist last year (which is just insane to be honest) and I'm super curious to see where he ends up this year especially consider he already has two stage wins by day 3 (pretty impressive). As has been mentioned the new rules with the roadbooks brings a whole new dynamic to the race, bloody exiting if you ask me and quite good at leveling the playing field a bit.

Toby Price:
6 Dakars
2 x 1st place
3 x 3rd
1 x dnf
12 stage wins


Stephane Peterhansel: (on bikes)
10 Dakars
6 x 1st place
1 x dnf
1 x dsq
1 x 4th
33 stage wins

Marc Coma:
12 Dakars
5 x 1st place
3 x dnf
2 x 2nd
24 stage wins

Cyril Despres: (on bikes)
14 Dakars
5 x 1st place
4 x 2nd
1 x 3rd
31 stage wins

Very different race, riders and rules these days. IMHO anyone in the top 10 is an alien - in fact anyone who completes the Dakar. This alien shyte is tiring.
I agree Dom. Every one on Dakar (even navigators in cars) performs far above normal human capabilities.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 05:48:28 pm
Okay, now Mr Short, gets contaminated fuel:

Does he:

1. Try to clean the system.
2. Dump it and bum fuel from team mates / support.
3. Wait for technical assistance, other riders help, his own back up 

Or press the retrieve button and a helicopter fetches him, the opposite of what Walkner did.  :sip:

I must say I thought the same. Not a Joey moment.  ::)

The new rules put more pressure on riders to be able to trouble shoot and do running repairs ... yes like the PD of yore ... I like it but some of the prima donnas are not going to like it. Watch the vid of Walkner and his smiling attitude - he just gets on with it.  :thumleft:  That said the water contamination should never have happened to Short and there should be a filter mechanism on the tanker to ensure that fuel is properly filtered. The financial loss must be huge.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 06:01:54 pm
Okay, now Mr Short, gets contaminated fuel:

Does he:

1. Try to clean the system.
2. Dump it and bum fuel from team mates / support.
3. Wait for technical assistance, other riders help, his own back up 

Or press the retrieve button and a helicopter fetches him, the opposite of what Walkner did.  :sip:

I must say I thought the same. Not a Joey moment.  ::)

The new rules put more pressure on riders to be able to trouble shoot and do running repairs ... yes like the PD of yore ... I like it but some of the prima donnas are not going to like it. Watch the vid of Walkner and his smiling attitude - gets on with it.  :thumleft:

I said the same on ADV Rider, some usual tarts with righteous indignation showed up, but the "old school" basically said he would have had a good chance of getting his time back, had he have plugged away at it and tried to fix it "Dakar style" even waiting for his own support crew, then claiming time back, the moment he pressed the ASO Helicopter recovery button, ASO's hands were tied.

As someone said, if you did a Joey and fixed your bike from a bunch of parts from another retired bike, dragged yourself through the night and the next morning lined up alongside a guy on a fresh bike who got helicoptered out the previous day, that isn't Dakar.  8) 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2021, 07:34:08 pm
Just read through all the comments and results.  Brilliant, love it.  The alien shit also irritates the bejesus out of me.

Ross has got this Dakar figured out, I see a definite podium if he can keep the rubber side down and the wheels rolling.

Henk & Brett - you guys are the rock stars of the day, and the future.... O0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 07:48:40 pm
There is something big missing (and no offense to J.A.), ok there are two tail enders behind him, but J. Alexander who is running at the tail of Malle Moto has finished 3.5 hours behind the leaders, and a short liason to the bivouac, gone are the long liasons either side of the stage, gone is the snowball, it is not the Endurance Dakar we were used to as I see it.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 07:52:06 pm
Ross looks like a wholesome and pleasant fella with a lot of talent and “gees”. A hard worker with a lot of grit.

But I don’t think he has what it takes to get podium, not in this field.

The difference between good and great is colossal and you only stand the chance of getting podium at Dakar if you’re great (Usually).

I think Ross is a good rider in comparison to most, but not great. Not yet.

Unless the front of the pack make significant mistakes and the top 5 guys fall out I don’t see him in the top 5.


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Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 07:53:56 pm
Apologies if I offended staunch RB supporters, I could be wrong :)

I’d love for a Saffer to win/podium obviously.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 07:54:20 pm
Just read through all the comments and results.  Brilliant, love it.  The alien shit also irritates the bejesus out of me.

Ross has got this Dakar figured out, I see a definite podium if he can keep the rubber side down and the wheels rolling.

Henk & Brett - you guys are the rock stars of the day, and the future.... O0

A second and a bit behind Sebastion Loeb, yes rock star.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 05, 2021, 08:22:40 pm
Apologies if I offended staunch RB supporters, I could be wrong :)

I’d love for a Saffer to win/podium obviously.


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I'm just as big a TP fan but think you misjudging the brilliance of RB.  Anyway, we'll check the results at the end ;)

Skyler Howes finished in positions 8, 11 & 4th and leading the Dakar - consistency truly getting rewarded.  They should rather give bonus time to stage winners or spruce it up in some way or another as this is pretty boring.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 05, 2021, 08:24:28 pm
Ross looks like a wholesome and pleasant fella with a lot of talent and “gees”. A hard worker with a lot of grit.

But I don’t think he has what it takes to get podium, not in this field.

The difference between good and great is colossal and you only stand the chance of getting podium at Dakar if you’re great (Usually).

I think Ross is a good rider in comparison to most, but not great. Not yet.

Unless the front of the pack make significant mistakes and the top 5 guys fall out I don’t see him in the top 5.


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You don’t get a factory ride if you do not have what it takes
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 05, 2021, 08:33:08 pm
Ross looks like a wholesome and pleasant fella with a lot of talent and “gees”. A hard worker with a lot of grit.

But I don’t think he has what it takes to get podium, not in this field.

The difference between good and great is colossal and you only stand the chance of getting podium at Dakar if you’re great (Usually).

I think Ross is a good rider in comparison to most, but not great. Not yet.

Unless the front of the pack make significant mistakes and the top 5 guys fall out I don’t see him in the top 5.


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I would like to see you eat your words, but yes it is really early days and just stepping into a factory team and not having been really regularly involved in international competitive rally or enduro for years like so many others. A boikie from Bots but believe me the man can ride like very very few others in southern Africa. The odds are really so stacked against anyone from this region making it to the podium without the opportunity of regular international competition and training, never mind financial backing. Lets not pass judgement on who is an alien and who is or is not great ... yet!  Who the fuck are we to do that? Yes, mere armchair palookas who are entitled to our opinions, but really wtf?  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 05, 2021, 08:41:57 pm
Last year they said “a new breed” the “privateer alien” Ross may not be quite there, but he has talent and I believe he will take a good top 10.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 05, 2021, 08:57:06 pm
I reckon Ross is in with a good shot at top 10 finish if he keeps it together and an outside chance at top 5. Obviously would be pretty epic if he makes the podium this year, not impossible, but a long shot I think. If Bang Bang doesn't live up to his name this year then I'm suspecting a podium of Price, Brabec and either JBB or Benavides. Which doesn't mean all that much because there is at least between 5-10 realistic podium contenders. This is an interesting year for sure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 05, 2021, 08:59:29 pm
Ross looks like a wholesome and pleasant fella with a lot of talent and “gees”. A hard worker with a lot of grit.

But I don’t think he has what it takes to get podium, not in this field.

The difference between good and great is colossal and you only stand the chance of getting podium at Dakar if you’re great (Usually).

I think Ross is a good rider in comparison to most, but not great. Not yet.

Unless the front of the pack make significant mistakes and the top 5 guys fall out I don’t see him in the top 5.


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I would like to see you eat your words, but yes it is really early days and just stepping into a factory team and not having been really regularly involved in international competitive rally or enduro for years like so many others. A boikie from Bots but believe me the man can ride like very very few others in southern Africa. The odds are really so stacked against anyone from this region making it to the podium without the opportunity of regular international competition and training, never mind financial backing. Lets not pass judgement on who is an alien and who is or is not great ... yet!  Who the fuck are we to do that? Yes, mere armchair palookas who are entitled to our opinions, but really wtf?  ::)
I agree with everything you’re saying, especially the part where we are overestimating our knowledge as it pertains to grasping what the Dakar really is safely behind our keyboards

Look I think he’s good but I just don’t see greatness there.

I will eat a big slice of humble pie if I’m wrong. I actually hope I’m wrong...


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 05, 2021, 11:59:24 pm
A podcast where Andrew Short calls in for a long chat. Seems he was screwed either way. He tried everything. He chimes in at about 3hrs.30 in.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: IanTheTooth on January 06, 2021, 12:10:51 am
I was surprised when our Australian state broadcaster SBS TV station did a long clip on Ross Branch. He is definitely an object of interest to the whole world now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 06, 2021, 07:52:16 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: cocky on January 06, 2021, 07:58:12 am
I was surprised when our Australian state broadcaster SBS TV station did a long clip on Ross Branch. He is definitely an object of interest to the whole world now.
Yamaha will do well to look after him, on current form he is by far their best rider.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 08:05:33 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 08:09:04 am
Previous years I tried to follow some Malle Moto guys - Haven’t really gotten into it this year - Who is new and noteworthy etc? Good riders to follow and their story?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2021, 08:23:46 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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Perfect example of waffling  :lol8:

You've already told us he hasn't got what it takes, just stick to your statement - some might start believing it  ;)

Let me go earn a living, see you guys tonight!!  Enjoy
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 08:30:37 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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Perfect example of waffling  :lol8:

You've already told us he hasn't got what it takes, just stick to your statement - some might start believing it  ;)

Let me go earn a living, see you guys tonight!!  Enjoy
I was discussing the assumption of a rider being able to win purely because he was chosen by a manufacturer.

But thank you for your input and moderation


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2021, 08:58:11 am
I think Ross is good for a top 5 and he has what it takes, glad for Yamaha as well. He is very humble but already a equal or better rider than van beveren, Mcanney, Short and Caimi. Brabeck was not really rated until the second week of Dakar 2020  and as for the other Honda riders they are good but also no stand outs. The big three in KTM is always a possibility but Tp being the best, raw fearless hooligan skill
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lpj on January 06, 2021, 08:58:46 am
Back to the racing ladies.

Opening today seems a bit easier, judging by current standings. First 9 that all within 1 minute at WP1.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2021, 09:19:58 am
Ross fastest through WP1, looks like AVB is just following Ross, or trying to keep up.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 09:21:37 am
Ja, Ross the Great blitzed the good riders through WP1  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:  But I see the gooder BB was quicker  >:D

and just in at WP2 fastest as well, at this stage anyway.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 06, 2021, 09:30:53 am
Fastest through WP2 as well, but Bam Bam just beat him at WP1.
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 09:39:20 am
And here comes Sanders:

Second fastest WP2 (22seconds behind Branch), fastest WP3.

No time for branch yet on WP3

Sunderland 3rd at WP3

Price taking strain having to open. What a yo-yo affair


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EDIT:

I see Pablo took it at WP2

For now...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 09:44:12 am
10:19 Rookie Sanders rises to the occasion

Daniel Sanders continues to prove the KTM Factory Team made the right choice signing him last September. The man from Down Under built on his podium place in the prologue to finish eighth on Tuesday, 11′22″ behind fellow Australian Toby Price. The rookie, running 16 minutes behind overall leader Skyler Howes, went through the first checkpoint with a 32-second deficit to Ross Branch… definitely worth keeping an eye on!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2021, 09:54:40 am
Speaking of ladies Audrey Rossat,  household name in French enduro  blitzed through stage 3 finishing 2h13 behind Toby price  setting a personal speed record of 138kmph in process
Source Johan Dakar

Ross P1 provisional at pk 125
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 09:55:30 am
Branch came in ahead of Sanders WP3


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 06, 2021, 10:06:19 am
Branch came in ahead of Sanders WP3


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Spoke to Nacho Cornejo on Monday after the stage. He reckons most riders at Dakar agree that Ross Branch is an exceptional talent. He was also very outspoken about the fact that Branch does have more grit than most factory riders.
I agree with Big Dom. Winning a stage on your first Dakar and achieving what he has so far puts him in a different category.  Don't forget that TB had the KTM factory behind him from the beginning..
True greats - all of them. No matter the brand they ride for/with
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 06, 2021, 10:10:07 am
Am i following the wrong stage today or is is Branch handing out lessons 1/3 into this day?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 10:10:17 am
Interesting, thanks for sharing the insight from Cornejo.

From my limited perspective he does seem to have grit like I said, interesting to hear fellow contenders noting the same having ridden with him.

Great!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2021, 10:12:37 am
Branch came in ahead of Sanders WP3


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Spoke to Nacho Cornejo on Monday after the stage. He reckons most riders at Dakar agree that Ross Branch is an exceptional talent. He was also very outspoken about the fact that Branch does have more grit than most factory riders.
I agree with Big Dom. Winning a stage on your first Dakar and achieving what he has so far puts him in a different category.  Don't forget that TB had the KTM factory behind him from the beginning..
True greats - all of them. No matter the brand they ride for/with

The sheer determination he showed last year to finish was amazing!!

He has skill and tenacity, legend.

True Dakar spirit

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2021, 10:23:04 am
Seven seconds seperates top three of Bareda now in lead , Ross and  Quintanilla. Price and Walker 20 seconds back. Hectic racing this early
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 10:38:36 am
Interesting, thanks for sharing the insight from Cornejo.

From my limited perspective he does seem to have grit like I said, interesting to hear fellow contenders noting the same having ridden with him.

Great!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 10:39:44 am
Ross through WP4 just need the time. A long day today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 10:45:04 am
Interesting, thanks for sharing the insight from Cornejo.

From my limited perspective he does seem to have grit like I said, interesting to hear fellow contenders noting the same having ridden with him.

Great!


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We going to quote you on this.   :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
I’d love for the fella to win, quote me!

Still very early days though.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 10:45:26 am
Joan Barreda has capitalised on Toby Price's nav error and leapfrogged him to take the provisional lead. The Spaniard was 36' faster than Pablo Quintanilla and 49' quicker than Ross Branch. Rookie Daniel Sanders is sitting in fourth place, 1'43' behind the HRC biker.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 10:54:20 am
Where is the WP4 data dump?  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 10:55:17 am
The live tracking isn’t really that live at all.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 06, 2021, 10:57:53 am
The map shows the leaders going through WP6.  Where is the update????  Loosing fingernails here.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 11:06:26 am
Lekker Ross. Crazy work day so I'm only a follower. Keep the info flowing folks

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:08:40 am
The live tracking isn’t really that live at all.


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I think the realtime map is the most live  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 06, 2021, 11:10:33 am
WP7:

047 - KEVIN BENAVIDES (ARG)
HONDA
11:47:11   2h34m11s   +00:00:00


003 - TOBY PRICE (AUS)
KTM
11:47:04   +00:02:53   0h16m47s
   
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2021, 11:19:08 am
Bareda in lead 172 km into special, followed by Ross , Quintanila, Cornejo and Daniel Sanders
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:19:15 am
Front guys through WP7 and heading for ASS.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:20:21 am
Bareda in lead 172 km into special, followed by Ross , Quintanila and new 4th place man Daniel Sanders


172 km into the special, Joan Barreda is still in the lead by 1'37' over the new second-placed rider, Ross Branch. Pablo Quintanilla is currently third at almost three minutes back. José Ignacio Cornejo and his Honda are fourth, while rookie Daniel Sanders is fifth about 10 seconds back.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 06, 2021, 11:21:58 am
Bareda in lead 172 km into special, followed by Ross , Quintanila and new 4th place man Daniel Sanders


172 km into the special, Joan Barreda is still in the lead by 1'37' over the new second-placed rider, Ross Branch. Pablo Quintanilla is currently third at almost three minutes back. José Ignacio Cornejo and his Honda are fourth, while rookie Daniel Sanders is fifth about 10 seconds back.
Fixed :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 11:23:06 am
Looks like TP had a good day opening with Benavides at his side for a lot of the way. Didn't lose too much time compared to SS2.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:31:21 am
Ross has passed AVB a while back and now closed on and passed James McCanney. Definitely a few great WOT lessons being dealt today.  :ricky:

Anyone heard updates from teams re the tyre situation - guys getting 2 days out of a rear without issues?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 06, 2021, 11:35:02 am
Ross has passed AVB a while back and now closed on James McCanney. Definitely a few great WOT lessons being dealt today.  :ricky:

Anyone heard updates from teams re the tyre situation - guys getting 2 days out of a rear without issues?

Yes and does someone know how do they actually track this to enforce the rule ??
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 06, 2021, 11:35:51 am
In the cars look like Henk and Brett is having another great day  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 11:36:39 am
Ross has passed AVB a while back and now closed on James McCanney. Definitely a few great WOT lessons being dealt today.  :ricky:

Anyone heard updates from teams re the tyre situation - guys getting 2 days out of a rear without issues?

Yes and does someone know how do they actually track this to enforce the rule ??
I read somewhere that the tyres were engraved at the start of the race.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:37:23 am
Ross has passed AVB a while back and now closed on James McCanney. Definitely a few great WOT lessons being dealt today.  :ricky:

Anyone heard updates from teams re the tyre situation - guys getting 2 days out of a rear without issues?

Yes and does someone know how do they actually track this to enforce the rule ??


Tyres are all coded and marked. https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/fewer-tyres-for-a-safer-race/168341

Ross in at WP7 - now to get some ASS.  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 06, 2021, 11:38:32 am
Just a side note. Century Racing, the little race car builder in Midrand has 5 CR6's competing with one of them in 3rd overall, one in 8th pos and obviously Brian in 20th.  Big up's to the local boys.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 11:42:29 am
Just a side note. Century Racing, the little race car builder in Midrand has 5 CR6's competing with one of them in 3rd overall, one in 8th pos and obviously Brian in 20th.  Big up's to the local boys.
South Africa is really presenting well at Dakar this year. Super stoked

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 06, 2021, 11:48:19 am
Just a side note. Century Racing, the little race car builder in Midrand has 5 CR6's competing with one of them in 3rd overall, one in 8th pos and obviously Brian in 20th.  Big up's to the local boys.
South Africa is really presenting well at Dakar this year. Super stoked

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:50:30 am
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 06, 2021, 11:52:03 am
saffers seem to traditionally do well in this type motoersport ...more so then other types
always exceptions to make rules though like korjie..binder boys schekters etc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 11:55:34 am
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

It also means he doesn't have to open the stage tomorrow.  :biggrin: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 11:58:13 am
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

Dom, I though the stage only ends at ASS, tracking doesn't show ross there yet?

Me no understand.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 11:59:14 am
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

Dom, I though the stage only ends at ASS, tracking doesn't show ross there yet?

Timing stops at last WP. Liaison to ASS. No not in yet ... OK now in and at the top but BB still en route ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 12:08:29 pm
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

Dom, I though the stage only ends at ASS, tracking doesn't show ross there yet?

Timing stops at last WP. Liaison to ASS. No not in yet.

Strange ASS is end of special stage, but yes its Dakar.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 12:12:22 pm
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

Dom, I though the stage only ends at ASS, tracking doesn't show ross there yet?

Timing stops at last WP. Liaison to ASS. No not in yet.

Strange ASS is end of special stage, but yes its Dakar.  ::)
Timing stops at ASS. Good look at the previous stages for example.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 12:19:22 pm
Ross Branch was the first biker to wrap up today's special, but since he trailed Joan Barreda by over two minutes at km 268, victory still seems to have the Honda biker's name written all over it.

Dom, I though the stage only ends at ASS, tracking doesn't show ross there yet?

Timing stops at last WP. Liaison to ASS. No not in yet.

Strange ASS is end of special stage, but yes its Dakar.  ::)
Timing stops at ASS. Good look at the previous stages for example.

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Ja sorry I think a brain fart - was looking that they routed onto a roadway???   
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 06, 2021, 12:19:49 pm
Well done Ross the Boss! Gained 2 minutes on the overall lead time.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 12:36:16 pm
And James is bringing up the rear, he isn't last yet and is still in it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 06, 2021, 12:37:49 pm
And James is bringing up the rear, he isn't last yet and is still in it.  :thumleft:
Meaning that, statistically, he still has a chance of winning!  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Exploratio on January 06, 2021, 12:40:09 pm
See Henk Lategan is having fun.

Love the new tracking feature on the official Dakar site.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 06, 2021, 01:00:12 pm
So the ding dong battle continues tomorrow with TP getting the benefit of BB opening the road.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 01:00:55 pm
I am hoping for a data dump as it seems to be a bit hung up.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2021, 01:15:45 pm
Henk & Brett taking no shit from the 'Dakar gods'!!  Love it how Nasser just can't get way from them and Peterhansel cannot catch up to them!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 06, 2021, 01:24:42 pm
Henk & Brett taking no shit from the 'Dakar gods'!!  Love it how Nasser just can't get way from them and Peterhansel cannot catch up to them!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you think Henk is an . . . .   :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 01:55:05 pm
I am hoping for a data dump as it seems to be a bit hung up.  ::)
It looks bad,  no updates🙄
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 02:21:30 pm
Henk & Brett taking no shit from the 'Dakar gods'!!  Love it how Nasser just can't get way from them and Peterhansel cannot catch up to them!!!!!!!!!!!

They're having a great race. 3rd on stage today and 5th overall.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 02:29:20 pm
I took to tracking on my phone as I was out, you can see one waypoint, James missed PK218  ::) I was checking and checking meanwhile he is in on his was to ASS.   ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 02:32:24 pm
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 02:41:20 pm
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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They currently receive it I think 20min before they start.

If you get it the prev evening then you can mark it with a colour scheme that suits you. You also get to familiarise yourself with the very busy/difficult sections of the stage in advance. This will definitely help you on the stage. The top teams then also have the notorious "map men" that sit with google earth and GIS software and map out the course in advance as much as they can. This affords those riders the privilege of to some degree pre-studying the next day's stage.

I for one like the new rules a lot as it all comes down to the individual skill. The reality is that dakar should be about the individual rider skill rather than team support.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 03:17:32 pm
Another cool resource for some videos this year is snapchat (Thanks to the lot on advrider for picking this up).

https://map.snapchat.com/@23.818954,44.978981,11.59z

Click on the areas where there are activity and the videos pop up. Obviously a lot of activity in certain spots on the stages.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 03:30:55 pm



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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 04:08:57 pm
For the guys thinking dakar has slowed down..... :ricky:

https://web.facebook.com/SamSunderland83/videos/1356518268028483

Average speed of 125km/h over 407km. That is damn fast riding.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 06, 2021, 04:14:01 pm
Some car action

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cdp13 on January 06, 2021, 04:14:50 pm
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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I've also wondered about this. With a roadbook of +/- 450km, with probably 2000-3000 (I'm guessing here) tulips, how much can you actually remember?

Especially at the pace these guys are going. I can't see how that really was and advantage to "study" it the night before..

I suspect the "map men" played a bigger part than we might think.

Anyway, I for one like the fact that the playing field has been levelled.

The really great navigators wil benefit for sure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 06, 2021, 04:30:06 pm
Some car action

I wish there was still a big bike section in the Dakar. Would love to the see the 990,790,Hp2 and T7's in conditions like that. :drif:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 06, 2021, 04:38:31 pm
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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I've also wondered about this. With a roadbook of +/- 450km, with probably 2000-3000 (I'm guessing here) tulips, how much can you actually remember?

Especially at the pace these guys are going. I can't see how that really was and advantage to "study" it the night before..

I suspect the "map men" played a bigger part than we might think.

Anyway, I for one like the fact that the playing field has been levelled.

The really great navigators wil benefit for sure.

A long really long roadbook has about 800 tulips. Rarely though, if navigation needs more, the rolls simply don’t fit. So, in that case, they give you a second one to keep in your pocket.

As to the “map men”; Having the roadbook the night before allowed the boffins with Google earth to figure out shortcuts and areas for navigational concern

I wrote this back in 2019…

Back to the "map men"...

Benavides has just copped a 3hr penalty for having notes outside of his roadbook.  Just how fucking stupid does Honda have to be to have done this?! This means that not one Honda will be in the top 10 let alone the podium.

Here are the taped notes on his tank.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dw_oAhuUUAAT2kf.jpg:large)

What make this even more ludicrous, is that one of the mapping guys I referred to earlier in this thread - Hogwild form ADVrider - did an analysis of the notes and what they mean....

Quote
"Here is my analysis of the notes found on Benavides' bike (taped on the gas tank) that got him the large penalty. He had "shortcuts" described in those notes indicating the kilometer to take action, and the compass heading (cap) to take at that point. In the case illustrated here, 3 notes describe a "fast line" by diverting from the roadbook defined course at 37.1km, going down to the beach, and riding along the beach to the next control point at 46.3km. Though it doesn't look much shorter in distance (both paths are about 6.5km), I would expect it to be a fair amount faster on the smooth beach than following the course on somewhat rougher terrain. Since the roadbook point at 39.1km is not a control point, they don't have to go through that point.

While the ASO clarification indicates no such notes "in the roadbook", the original regulation says "It is only authorized to carry on the Rider and his Machine . . .". There may be a little wiggle room there, but ASO generally doesn't go for such wiggling, and the French version of the rules may be a bit more precise."

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/upload_2019-1-15_20-50-24-png.1504990/)

His map guys had routed the stage, analysed where he could make up time, then taped the notes onto his bike to take advantage to these shortcuts. In a few stages the guys have been asked to hand their roadbooks in at the end of the stage. I am speculating that they didn't want to write in the roadbook these notes incase this happened, so taped them to his tank.

As it turns out they still got caught.

And they weren't even doing it for the podium either?

Benavides has taken to Instagram to plead his innocence and has also alluded to the other riders doing the same, just that they keep their notes elsewhere.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 06, 2021, 04:42:46 pm
Just a side note. Century Racing, the little race car builder in Midrand has 5 CR6's competing with one of them in 3rd overall, one in 8th pos and obviously Brian in 20th.  Big up's to the local boys.
8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 06, 2021, 04:47:45 pm
If you have never ridden to a roadbook, and have always wondered how it's done, this is just about the finest explanation and realtime video of him doing so...

He also happens to be a VERY good rally rider.

&feature=em-subs_digest
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 06, 2021, 05:34:27 pm
If you have never ridden to a roadbook, and have always wondered how it's done, this is just about the finest explanation and realtime video of him doing so...

He also happens to be a VERY good rally rider.

&feature=em-subs_digest

Excellent clip and like you said, VERY good rally rider.

On that point just want to share a little secret and which might give you an idea as to how brilliant Ross Branch actually is.

As you might be aware, Lyndon got invited to do the Kalahari Rally in 2019.  It was also Ross's first roadbook rally ever.  After the rally was done me and Minxy met up with Lyndon (yeah, we became quite good friends) during which we talked about the Kalahari Rally, the difficulty of the roadbook etc etc.  He was convinced that Ross must have received additional notes on the roadbook as he started flying faultlessly through the stages where Lyndon was making one mistake after the other.  Lyndon considered the roadbook as particularly 'busy' and found it almost unbelievable that a rookie could pick up so quick on all the intricacies.  Although he never really suspected anything untoward from Ross or the orga he was just in utter disbelief - he still speculated that Ross would become a fantastic rally rider with that navigational talent and I think it's showing each and every day.  Check for instance on Stage 1 how the navigational rot for TP and the gang only stopped when Ross rocked up.  You see it on some of the other stages as well. 

He might only be a human but he's a fast one at that.  Maybe in his next life he'll become an....... :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 05:40:07 pm
I see Ross got a one minute penalty, I see it as a one minute bonus starting a minute later.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on January 06, 2021, 05:42:40 pm
Ross also had that fall last year, hurt his shoulder badly, still managed to finish in the top 20.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 06, 2021, 05:48:18 pm
I see only 10 withdrawals so far this year (bike class)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 06, 2021, 05:53:52 pm
I see only 10 withdrawals so far this year (bike class)

Yes, noticed that and no snowball.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 06, 2021, 06:33:44 pm
Guys thanks for this great digest. :thumleft:

A lot of really good posts 8) and some great discussions as well :snorting: 

Please keep it coming.  :deal:

There is an art to reading a road book for sure, and some guys just have it. It took me a while to admit I am below average at race speeds. It took me quite a while to get into it each time, and getting the balance right between riding, reading, checking the ICO etc I find really hard. How many of us have binned it while looking at the road book? I think many of us have a bad habit of focusing too much on the RB on easy sections, which is dangerous.  Once almost ended up in some trees on full gas on a freaking bend in the road & somehow survived by railing the drainage berm :lol8: A sphincter puckering moment for sure! It is obvious that at slow speeds navigation is much easier but the truth is that tortoises (like me) do not come close to wining rallies.

With all this in mind, guys like Ross are truly exceptional and are on another whole level entirely to vast majority of us.

The field is tight because the stages are shorter and not having as many bivouacs as in the old days. While specials sections are hard, its the grueling liaisons that really start to make a huge impact, and there aren't as many of these. Everyone getting the bivouac earlier means more time to prep and rest, so the DNF's are much less. Not wanting to take anything away mind you - its still really hard but nothing like the Dakars of old which require superhuman levels of fitness, stamina and really good maintenance to get anywhere near the the finish.

Not surprised at all that the racing speeds are still very high, its desert racing after all -No way they can get around that and putting restrictors on next year is going to make it even closer than it already is. Navigation will become a lot easier, so we might as well put everyone on a hamster wheel and see who is the best at riding. Crap. The whole point is navigating at speed in the desert.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 06:48:10 pm
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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They currently receive it I think 20min before they start.

If you get it the prev evening then you can mark it with a colour scheme that suits you. You also get to familiarise yourself with the very busy/difficult sections of the stage in advance. This will definitely help you on the stage. The top teams then also have the notorious "map men" that sit with google earth and GIS software and map out the course in advance as much as they can. This affords those riders the privilege of to some degree pre-studying the next day's stage.

I for one like the new rules a lot as it all comes down to the individual skill. The reality is that dakar should be about the individual rider skill rather than team support.

Absolutely, to me the true Dakar rider is the "malle moto" guys, just you, your bike and the enemy, the desert.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 06, 2021, 06:53:05 pm
I see Ross got a one minute penalty, I see it as a one minute bonus starting a minute later.  8)

I wonder what for? But I see all the guys around him in positions 3-6  (separated by only 5 seconds!) also got klappled, with KevBen getting 2m ... effectively putting Ross 3rd.  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BOER! on January 06, 2021, 07:00:04 pm
If you have never ridden to a roadbook, and have always wondered how it's done, this is just about the finest explanation and realtime video of him doing so...

He also happens to be a VERY good rally rider.

&feature=em-subs_digest

Excellent clip and like you said, VERY good rally rider.

On that point just want to share a little secret and which might give you an idea as to how brilliant Ross Branch actually is.

As you might be aware, Lyndon got invited to do the Kalahari Rally in 2019.  It was also Ross's first roadbook rally ever.  After the rally was done me and Minxy met up with Lyndon (yeah, we became quite good friends) during which we talked about the Kalahari Rally, the difficulty of the roadbook etc etc.  He was convinced that Ross must have received additional notes on the roadbook as he started flying faultlessly through the stages where Lyndon was making one mistake after the other.  Lyndon considered the roadbook as particularly 'busy' and found it almost unbelievable that a rookie could pick up so quick on all the intricacies.  Although he never really suspected anything untoward from Ross or the orga he was just in utter disbelief - he still speculated that Ross would become a fantastic rally rider with that navigational talent and I think it's showing each and every day.  Check for instance on Stage 1 how the navigational rot for TP and the gang only stopped when Ross rocked up.  You see it on some of the other stages as well. 

He might only be a human but he's a fast one at that.  Maybe in his next life he'll become an....... :pot:

Ross is a pilot when he is not a racing alien.

Pilots in general are adapted to navigation,  quick math (on the fly so to speak) and doing sonat high speed.

I hold Ross in high regard for his navigational ability.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 06, 2021, 07:08:06 pm
Guys thanks for this great digest. :thumleft:

A lot of really good posts 8) and some great discussions as well :snorting: 

Please keep it coming.  :deal:

There is an art to reading a road book for sure, and some guys just have it. It took me a while to admit I am below average at race speeds. It took me quite a while to get into it each time, and getting the balance right between riding, reading, checking the ICO etc I find really hard. How many of us have binned it while looking at the road book? I think many of us have a bad habit of focusing too much on the RB on easy sections, which is dangerous.  Once almost ended up in some trees on full gas on a freaking bend in the road & somehow survived by railing the drainage berm :lol8: A sphincter puckering moment for sure! It is obvious that at slow speeds navigation is much easier but the truth is that tortoises (like me) do not come close to wining rallies.

With all this in mind, guys like Ross are truly exceptional and are on another whole level entirely to vast majority of us.

The field is tight because the stages are shorter and not having as many bivouacs as in the old days. While specials sections are hard, its the grueling liaisons that really start to make a huge impact, and there aren't as many of these. Everyone getting the bivouac earlier means more time to prep and rest, so the DNF's are much less. Not wanting to take anything away mind you - its still really hard but nothing like the Dakars of old which require superhuman levels of fitness, stamina and really good maintenance to get anywhere near the the finish.

Not surprised at all that the racing speeds are still very high, its desert racing after all -No way they can get around that and putting restrictors on next year is going to make it even closer than it already is. Navigation will become a lot easier, so we might as well put everyone on a hamster wheel and see who is the best at riding. Crap. The whole point is navigating at speed in the desert.
Just the type of insight needed here, stick around BB!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 06, 2021, 07:50:49 pm
Another one that gives a good idea of off piste navigation. Towards the end you can see how guys crash, with the sun still reasonably low, you still cant see the dropoffs. When the sun gets higher, they are lethal.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 06, 2021, 11:21:19 pm
Another one that gives a good idea of off piste navigation. Towards the end you can see how guys crash, with the sun still reasonably low, you still cant see the dropoffs. When the sun gets higher, they are lethal.



Thanks Kamanya for all the additional info, helps to get more of a sense of it.

What I always wonder (Seeing that I personally enjoy it on the back wheel, and most of the pro's pop a nice long one for the chopper camera), how does that effect your nav?

I.e. if you were to ride a certain km before the next tulip, but you creamed a nice 1-2km Wheelie for the cameras, will everything be out by that "wheelie distance"?

BTW, since I read Ross signed with Yamaha I feel KTM lost an golden opportunity. Will see what the young Aus kid Sanders can do, but think they lost out on great talent and true warrior by not signing R.B.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BlueBull2007 on January 07, 2021, 06:26:13 am
If Ross wins, or even does really well, KTM could still sign him, They headhunted a couple of guys from other teams in the past.

When youre on the backwheel youre definitely not looking at the roadbook. ;D

You are right though, you are always looking ahead so have times when you know you have 2km or 10km or whatever to the next tulip in the RB. Also learn to look for the turn before you get there, etc. You can actually see him do it in that Italian vid, which is great BTW.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 06:47:47 am
The latest trip meters are gps driven and incredibly accurate. Older versions worked off the front wheel and needed constant calibrating. However, it is seldom that your trip meter will be 100% with the roadbook. Due to the variations in lines, and sometimes getting slightly lost, each riders trip meter needs constant adjusting.

On the left handlebar are an “up” and “down” button that can advance or reduce the trip distance so as to get back into sync with the roadbook. If you really stuff up and are completely lost, the only sure way to “find” yourself again is to ride back to the last known point, re-sync the trip meter with the roadbook for that point and start again.

That is why you sometimes see people coming back alongside the track. It is super dangerous as you can imagine.

The other more common way is to keep going, scroll the roadbook forwards a few tulips and hope you recognise something soon that you know for sure is matching. Then if/when you do, sync the trip meter and if the very next tulip agrees completely, you’re back in business. This is where the CAP headings are super useful, they have to line up too for complete peace of mind.

There are other ways to get “back onto the roadbook”;

Stop next to another and ask “where are we?”  If he’s worked it out, hopefully he says something like “km 427.3 we’ve just past tulip 97 with the windmill on the left”. You would then scroll the roadbook to that tulip box and scroll your trips to 427.3.

The other way is to latch onto someone who seems to know where they’re going and hope like hell they’re right. Then scroll the roadbook forward to some very obvious feature that that you know for sure you couldn’t have passed yet and hope you recognise it. Once you see it, then you reset the trip meter to the right distance and Hoooray, you’re back in the game.

This last method is seriously risky, not because your guy ahead might be getting both of you even more lost, but all the dangerous cautions that the roadbook alerts you to can’t be known exactly. That scroll of paper is a huge safety net.

That is why you hear of people saying they did an extra 35km. They did the extra ks whilst trying to work out where they were.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2021, 07:05:38 am
Why has todays stage started at PK0 and not at DSS like every other day?  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 07, 2021, 07:15:53 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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I agree with the statement, but then again that counts for all different sports.  If you have a full sponsor, there is that expectation that you need to perform well. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 07:24:23 am
Why has todays stage started at PK0 and not at DSS like every other day?  :sip:

It's run by the French. They have their own logic.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2021, 07:24:51 am
Thanks for roadblock info and video, interesting stuff. Sometimes in two's still about pros and cons of navigation being so complex while having to concentrate on off-road terrain
Useless info- with Baredas stage 4 win he passed Marc Coma's stage wins now boasting 26 with only Peterhansel and Despres with 33 each and Arcorons with 27 still ahead of him
Credit sadg
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2021, 07:30:13 am
I have a funny feeling the red bikes will ride into contention today..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2021, 07:50:05 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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I agree with the statement, but then again that counts for all different sports.  If you have a full sponsor, there is that expectation that you need to perform well.
I’m guessing There is a difference when you go as a privateer who is trying to turn heads - you push to try and win stages and prove your worth. I remember Ross in an interview saying it’s so different because Yamaha is telling you not to win stages - I  don’t quite understand it - I guess they are looking for consistency from him , but if he is in contention in the second half of the rally that tune is going to change


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 07:56:20 am
I think with the support and financial backing from Monster Yamaha, Ross will be able to step up his game!  Those okes will not give you a factory ride if you don't have the balls, the skills and the pace to get them where they want to be.  Maybe it will not be this year, who knows... but I sure love his attitude and always smiling. :ricky:
What you’re saying is true regarding the difference financial support can make in getting the riders the support and experience they need to develop into winners.

BUT

How many manufacturers have bet on their guy to get them a podium spot over the past 10 years without success? So the argument of the rider obviously being capable of winning otherwise he wouldn’t have gotten factory support doesn’t really hold up. Also remember it’s all about what you can afford as a manufacturer, who would be interested in you and what you have to pick from - Those three variable determine the quality rider you get.

Sure, you have to be really good to get factory support, but the argument holds for all manufacturers and their riders. They think “this is the guy” and often he/she isn’t. Not as a function of the rider not being good enough, but the level of riders competing that specific year.

He has loads of potential though, maybe a full factory support is what he needed to blossom. Let’s hope so.


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I agree with the statement, but then again that counts for all different sports.  If you have a full sponsor, there is that expectation that you need to perform well.
I’m guessing There is a difference when you go as a privateer who is trying to turn heads - you push to try and win stages and prove your worth. I remember Ross in an interview saying it’s so different because Yamaha is telling you not to win stages - I  don’t quite understand it - I guess they are looking for consistency from him , but if he is in contention in the second half of the rally that tune is going to change


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As a privateer you want to get noticed so you try and win stages, but overall it isn’t a good strategy to try and win stages if you would like to win the Dakar.

So factory guys, especially now, try not to win stages because it deteriorates your lead considerably the next day when you open. It’s yo-yo effect and wears you out.

To mind the strategy is to stay in the front pack, not in front though perhaps between 5-9 position, no more than 13min deficit, close the gap to about 6min by the second last day and then hammer the very last last day.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 08:01:41 am
This is the effect of opening a stage: Barreda 18min deficit by WP3! That’s a steep curve

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2021, 08:06:05 am
This is the effect of opening a stage: Barreda 18min deficit by WP3! That’s a steep curve

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He lost 17 minutes due to a navigational error - It seems as if many riders are having navigational issues today
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2021, 08:07:33 am
Ross is sitting at 6th its a good spot in my view.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 08:09:28 am
This is the effect of opening a stage: Barreda 18min deficit by WP3! That’s a steep curve

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He lost 17 minutes due to a navigational error - It seems as if many riders are having navigational issues today
But the navigational error is in itself due to having to open the stage with no one or any tracks to follow.

Gives you an appreciation for the toughness in opening a stage at this Dakar!

These poor guys must be dreading having to open a stage.

As an aside would be interesting to plot the rate of time loss/gain against starting position and compare the top guys.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2021, 08:15:32 am
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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love it ..whole new dimension to it ..and i think thats why brabeck wants to bunch all the lead riders and ride together which is kinda cheating in a way and what would happen in closing stages if they all riding together etc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:18:01 am
I wonder why Ross was so slow through WP1?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2021, 08:21:30 am
If you have never ridden to a roadbook, and have always wondered how it's done, this is just about the finest explanation and realtime video of him doing so...

He also happens to be a VERY good rally rider.

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Excellent clip and like you said, VERY good rally rider.

On that point just want to share a little secret and which might give you an idea as to how brilliant Ross Branch actually is.

As you might be aware, Lyndon got invited to do the Kalahari Rally in 2019.  It was also Ross's first roadbook rally ever.  After the rally was done me and Minxy met up with Lyndon (yeah, we became quite good friends) during which we talked about the Kalahari Rally, the difficulty of the roadbook etc etc.  He was convinced that Ross must have received additional notes on the roadbook as he started flying faultlessly through the stages where Lyndon was making one mistake after the other.  Lyndon considered the roadbook as particularly 'busy' and found it almost unbelievable that a rookie could pick up so quick on all the intricacies.  Although he never really suspected anything untoward from Ross or the orga he was just in utter disbelief - he still speculated that Ross would become a fantastic rally rider with that navigational talent and I think it's showing each and every day.  Check for instance on Stage 1 how the navigational rot for TP and the gang only stopped when Ross rocked up.  You see it on some of the other stages as well. 

He might only be a human but he's a fast one at that.  Maybe in his next life he'll become an....... :pot:

maybe pilto training has helped ..navigation type skills especially in smaller less electronic kitted planes?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:28:38 am

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maybe pilto training has helped ..navigation type skills especially in smaller less electronic kitted planes?
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Without a shadow of a doubt. One of the reasons he is so fast and can nav at that speed as well.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:29:26 am
I see Ross is hanging with BB, LB and Flymo this morning - on the pipe!  I see Saunders in the klompomp as well - proper battle charge.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:37:03 am
Ross says he has used a new tyre every day so far and keeping the 6th for the Marathon Stage ... things will start getting interesting on the rubber score soon. Anyone got photos of rears after a day of pinning it? 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 08:40:52 am
I must say Ross is doing exceptionally well

Incredibly consistent and he seems to be striking the perfect balance between racing, strategy and position: getting close to perfecting the goldilocks zone

Might be eating my words very soon


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 08:42:58 am
Price’s deficit slipped a bit coming into WP 3 from 11min to 13min


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 08:45:16 am
So with the guys only receiving the roadbooks 10min before the race starts, and the drastic change in the competitors abilities to navigate; is this all due not not being able to work the roadbook the night before?

What exactly made such a big difference in the riders ability to navigate by receiving it the night before?

Marking/highlighting it, teams being able to scout it from a computer and add additional notes and the riders actually memorising some of the key points?

Interesting that it has made such a big difference to the race especially when opening a stage. One thing is certain, it’s going to force these guys to level-up their nav game drastically in coming years.


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love it ..whole new dimension to it ..and i think thats why brabeck wants to bunch all the lead riders and ride together which is kinda cheating in a way and what would happen in closing stages if they all riding together etc
A very risky play from Brabec if it’s on purpose.

A 26 minute deficit might be a bit too much as a strategy...


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:52:29 am

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A very risky play from Brabec if it’s on purpose.

A 26 minute deficit might be a bit too much as a strategy...


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Agree - I see him yesterday indicating to the chopper he is taking it slow  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 09:25:45 am
From the SADG, Henk and Brett rolled their Toyota after 20 km into the SS. They were airlifted out. Henk injured his shoulder.

Ai, probably going too fast.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 09:26:21 am
The latest trip meters are gps driven and incredibly accurate. Older versions worked off the front wheel and needed constant calibrating. However, it is seldom that your trip meter will be 100% with the roadbook. Due to the variations in lines, and sometimes getting slightly lost, each riders trip meter needs constant adjusting.

On the left handlebar are an “up” and “down” button that can advance or reduce the trip distance so as to get back into sync with the roadbook. If you really stuff up and are completely lost, the only sure way to “find” yourself again is to ride back to the last known point, re-sync the trip meter with the roadbook for that point and start again.

That is why you sometimes see people coming back alongside the track. It is super dangerous as you can imagine.

The other more common way is to keep going, scroll the roadbook forwards a few tulips and hope you recognise something soon that you know for sure is matching. Then if/when you do, sync the trip meter and if the very next tulip agrees completely, you’re back in business. This is where the CAP headings are super useful, they have to line up too for complete peace of mind.

There are other ways to get “back onto the roadbook”;

Stop next to another and ask “where are we?”  If he’s worked it out, hopefully he says something like “km 427.3 we’ve just past tulip 97 with the windmill on the left”. You would then scroll the roadbook to that tulip box and scroll your trips to 427.3.

The other way is to latch onto someone who seems to know where they’re going and hope like hell they’re right. Then scroll the roadbook forward to some very obvious feature that that you know for sure you couldn’t have passed yet and hope you recognise it. Once you see it, then you reset the trip meter to the right distance and Hoooray, you’re back in the game.

This last method is seriously risky, not because your guy ahead might be getting both of you even more lost, but all the dangerous cautions that the roadbook alerts you to can’t be known exactly. That scroll of paper is a huge safety net.

That is why you hear of people saying they did an extra 35km. They did the extra ks whilst trying to work out where they were.
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 07, 2021, 09:27:41 am

A very risky play from Brabec if it’s on purpose.

A 26 minute deficit might be a bit too much as a strategy...


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Agree - I see him yesterday indicating to the chopper he is taking it slow  ???
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on the highlights package last night thats what he stated ..he wants to bunch all the lead guys together so they can control the race...go figger ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 09:27:56 am
Has anyone been able to source some pictures of the guys tires after the stages?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 07, 2021, 09:28:07 am
6 guys leading the pack today really doing a great job so far fending off the field.

However Toby and his friend Sam are slowly but surely clawing back some time!
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 09:44:57 am
Price’s deficit slipped a bit coming into WP 3 from 11min to 13min


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And down to 9:53 at WP5

Right behind Branch in time.

I think the hammer is coming.

Sunderland up to 5th and only 5min behind, clawing back nicely.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 07, 2021, 09:54:12 am
Henk injured, big roll in the Cars.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 10:04:42 am
WP6

Price showing incredible pace, the rate at which he is clawing back time is impressive:

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2021, 10:19:40 am
Lyk my Geniel is kwaad vandag.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2021, 10:41:31 am
From the SADG, Henk and Brett rolled their Toyota after 20 km into the SS. They were airlifted out. Henk injured his shoulder.

Ai, probably going too fast.

Broken collarbone for Henk.
Such a shame.
But he certainly raised some eyebrows, especially given he's only 24.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 07, 2021, 10:42:48 am
Lyk my Geniel is kwaad vandag.

Wonder of hy bietjie n talk gegee is, want hy moet vir n slag vinger trek.
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 10:43:59 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2021, 11:04:56 am
Henks big roll, and he he was going so well eish
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2021, 11:06:30 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but of yesterday’s top 4 stage finishers Ross has clearly navigated the best -

Yes there is the yo-yo effect but he seems to limit the depth of the troughs because of decent navigating


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 07, 2021, 11:12:31 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but of yesterday’s top 4 stage finishers Ross has clearly navigated the best -

Yes there is the yo-yo effect but he seems to limit the depth of the troughs because of decent navigating


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Exactly how he has managed to remain front main pack from the get go!  Running a very fast average pace with the stage winners finishing ahead or behind him depending on the yo or the yo its on :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 07, 2021, 11:17:56 am
Hats off to BB and Taye,

BB and Geniel are 7min apart on the road and have been doing pretty much the exact same pace for the last 200KM's maintaining the exact same gap since WP1 :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 07, 2021, 11:18:48 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but of yesterday’s top 4 stage finishers Ross has clearly navigated the best -

Yes there is the yo-yo effect but he seems to limit the depth of the troughs because of decent navigating


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Exactly how he has managed to remain front main pack from the get go!  Running a very fast average pace with the stage winners finishing ahead or behind him depending on the yo or the yo its on :thumleft:

I don't follow in real time, I watch the Dakar Daily in the mornings.  Yesterday he received a penalty it seems.

Any info on what the penalty was about?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 07, 2021, 11:20:16 am
Not sure why the bikes got penalties . . .

Read that the cars are limited to 180kmph and on yesterdays stage they were hitting V-max plenty!

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 11:20:34 am
Braaaap WFO !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2021, 11:21:26 am
Lyk my Geniel is kwaad vandag.
Dis hoogtyd. Voel altyd asof hy te konserwatief is en nie attack nie. Jammer oor sy terugslae vroeer die week

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2021, 11:22:01 am
Ross got 1min speeding penalty, Its scary how fast the cars are catching up with the bikes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 11:22:46 am
Thanks for roadblock info and video, interesting stuff. Sometimes in two's still about pros and cons of navigation being so complex while having to concentrate on off-road terrain
Useless info- with Baredas stage 4 win he passed Marc Coma's stage wins now boasting 26 with only Peterhansel and Despres with 33 each and Arcorons with 27 still ahead of him
Credit sadg
And yet Coma won 5 Dakars, Bareda zero  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 11:24:57 am
Brabec16 mins down in the outright, sounds better than the 26 expected
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 11:32:26 am
Not sure why the bikes got penalties . . .

Read that the cars are limited to 180kmph and on yesterdays stage they were hitting V-max plenty!

Even in a racing stage, there are places where you have speed limits. Like going past villages, refuel points or sensitive areas. On Liaisons is the place where it often happens too, besides the rules of the road, the organisation will have their limits that appear in the roadbook too.

Before the race, you have to hand over your credit card details. Every infraction that you do is not just penalised in time but you immediately pay a fine too. In euros. And they don't fuck about either.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 11:33:19 am
What happened with Henk? Looks like he is out, shit man. He was doing so well.

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Ross Branch: "I'm not aiming to ride that fast"
January 6 th 2021 - 14:05 [GMT + 3]

The biker from Botswana's breakthrough performance has propelled him to fourth place overall after finishing second in the stage to Riyadh.

"I had fun. I was a bit frustrated after I missed a waypoint from the get-go this morning. Then, I wanted to see how fast I could go and find out what my bike's top speed was. Yamaha has done a great job with the bike and it's really fast, I'm not aiming to ride that fast. I need to stay consistent throughout the remaining stages to see how it all plays out."
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2021, 11:35:12 am
No live updates the last 10min.....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 11:35:19 am
Brabec16 mins down in the outright, sounds better than the 26 expected

was that not yesterday?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 11:36:10 am
The mind games of getting lost….

It seems amazing that in a field of many bikes all riding down the same track only minutes apart, that anyone other than the leader could get lost? But it’s a constant thing; you will often hear the aliens saying that even on a day that they take the stage win, that they “made a few mistakes”. It’s a super rare thing to hear a rider, even an alien, say they had a perfect navigation day.

It seems simple enough; Ride down a trail, glance at the roadbook to see what’s next and at what kilometre it’s going to happen, then take a quick look at the road to stay on it and glance back down at the trip meter. Now you’ve got 3 bits of info and whilst gazing at the scenery you can, if you’re bored, do the mental arithmetic to subtract the trip meters km’s from the next km mark  in the roadbook you’ve just looked at because that’s fun and can be done repeatedly to keep you occupied. Or, simply wait at your leisure (whilst you get on with the serious business of riding like a God) for the trip meter to slowly wind itself to agree with that exact km and thing the roadbook says will appear ahead. At which point you take the required action as you scroll the roadbook forward to view the next set of instructions and repeat. Simple yes?

For me, I had done no actual roadbook training before I set off on the first stage. I was hyped! I knew the theory and looking at the roadbook the night before, it all seemed so very simple and straightforward. In my mind, the only thing that would prevent me from placing really well was the riding. I gave myself a good talking to about that, “Ride your own pace and let the race come to you, you can’t win it on the first day. Ride at 80% and tomorrow you can open up a bit”

Of course it didn’t matter that I was on a 950 or that I had never been in an enduro or even once on an MX track up to that point in my life. All I did know is that I’m reasonably quick, REALLY like sand and that a KTM 950 almost identical to mine had won the 2002 Dakar. That was good enough for me. Top 10 or even podium here I come! I was quite convinced that Mr Marc Coma was going to have a new worry in the near future...

But, as with most things in life, it’s not at all like the theory says. It truly is a bewildering, even frightening experience trying for the first time to ride to a roadbook.

I’d like to say I was even marginally good at it to begin with, but even that would have been an exaggeration. Firstly, just to read the damn roadbook and trip meters whilst bucking down a trail is in itself a scary thing. You know, you’ve all done it; whilst driving you only look down or away for a second at something on the seat next to you and when you look back you are very surprised to see the road is nowhere where you left it! In fact you’re in the next lane, or worse heading off the road entirely! Well try that even on a good gravel road and the results are even scarier. It’s the reason that the cockpit of a rally bike has the navigation instruments mounted as high as possible to reduce this effect. Even though they are closer to the sight line, there’s still the focus aspect too. If evolution were to have its way, in a few hundred thousand years, rally riders will have eyes that work like a chameleon.

Next is the memory issue. It is difficult to describe the level of frustration and incredulity that happens between glancing at the roadbook, then up at the road and then back down to trip meter and then forgetting both. So you think to yourself, “This is ridiculous! Why can you not remember two simple numbers you fucking idiot?!?!!!” Well, It’s the reason why when you’re driving and you get lost you have to turn the radio off before you can even start to think straight. We are simply not designed to ride a bike and absorb two separate numbers obtained elsewhere and not directly to do with the current business of riding a bike. (let alone CAP headings and and and) It was not programmed into our DNA.

So the only thing to cut down on the task flood, is by slowing down or giving up and following the guy in front. Believe me, in the beginning I often chose the latter because my ego has a firm control of the throttle hand, and I don’t have a firm control of my ego. Even still, besides being a sponging loser, it’s a sure way to kill yourself.

Roadbooks have two main reasons for existing and the second one is getting you to where you are supposed to go. It’s primary function is to keep you safe. There is just no way to ride a rally even at moderate, mid pack speed without a roadbook and not be in serious danger and crash. There are dangers all day that if you aren’t alerted to in time, will end very badly.

And so, well humbled, the process of actually learning began. I had to slow right down and learn to use a methodical, structured system that decreases the likely hood that I’d get lost or kill myself. I learnt to scan my data the same way. I would only look for the macro info and I would verbally repeat back the numbers before moving on. To learn to scan ahead a few tulips in the “quieter times” to prepare. If you just want to finish, then navigation doesn’t play as big a role. You just follow the tracks. However, you still need it for the dangerous stuff and without it can cause follow-on stuff like taking a wrong turn, spending hours trying to find your way back, running low/out of fuel and then getting to camp late where maintenance, sleep and food become an issue. Needless to say, even if you are slow, rally and navigation are not separable.

It was only in my 3rd rally that I even got the CAP heading info to work for me in any meaningful fashion. It was hard enough to keep track of and compute the distance and hieroglyph info, CAP headings were a luxury, or rather, another level of confusion to my limited processing power.

I haven’t even got to the mind games of getting lost when you are up near the sharper end of the group! If you’ve got the basics down and can navigate well enough at speed, the pressure of doing that in competition is enormous….

So there you are 300km in to day 4 lying in the top 20 and having fun. But you could just make that top 10 if you keep it together, maybe? You’re having a really good day so far. No big errors, slowing down in critical places to be sure and nailing them. Then the roadbook says next up @ 327.5 is a single track left with 3 options, the middle one is the one to take and once on it you should be on a heading of 010.

“Cool, ok, stay sharp… um 326… 326.2… what was it again? Uh, ok 327.5…. Ok, 326.8… better slow up a  touch…. 327…. Is that it up ahead, I see the track forking left? But it should be another 500m on? Maybe I’m a little ahead on the trips because I have been cutting the corners through the more open bits. I don’t see anything beyond this one, it just goes straight. Ok, must be it, right? Ok, can I see a middle of three? I only see 2!? Ok, well what was that heading again? Ah yes 010. Well we’re on, 78 at the mo, must be the more right hand one that would be about 010 if I took it, surely? Because the left hand one is about 350 easy. OK, lets see, we can always turn back. Right, now that we’re on it, what's the CAP say? 017? Shit! Come on! Please come a little left… Surely this must be it? Has to be.... Cool got this! Ok, open up get another gear, what’s next? Ummm, shit! Just missed that aardvaark hole…. Ok, 335.4 T junction to a ditch, cross and take the right fork heading 55. So what’s that, um 335 minus, say 328, fuck I hate odd numbers, call it 6 k’s to be safe. Tons of time! Let’s get on it!”

6k’s comes, then 7. “Trip is 334.5… anytime now, slow down for this ditch… 335.6? That really wide turn you took back there couldn’t have been thaaat wide surely? Where’s that ditch? Ok forget the ditch where’s the fork?! 336! Fuck! Slow right down and work it out you chop! There goes 197 and that noisy Yamaha whatshisname guy, they seem to know where they're going? Do I follow or have I fucked up? I don’t see anything but straight for another k at least and besides those two knuckleheads, the rest of the tracks don’t look that fresh but it’s really dry and windy so I can’t really tell!? Fuck, it’s 7k’s back 14 total, that’s a litre easy in this sand and I’m low as it is!!!! FUCK!” 

And that’s how people get lost and lose their shit.

Rally is not speed only. It’s speed, brains and discipline.

On 2 occasions, I knew I’d fucked up and ridden far enough that to go back was going to cost badly, so I took an enormous gamble and cut across the veld/desert to where I guessed the track would have to be. First time it worked beautifully, almost all of us screwed up and almost all of them turned back. One guy, Chris, with bigger fuel tanks and more ego than me only got in after dark after doing an extra 180km! I however chose to…



Once back on the road, I had to now work out where on the roadbook I had re-joined.

The other time I crashed badly and damaged my nav tower and one of my trip meters. It was an expensive lesson.

Another time, in the vast rolling grassy dune effectively featureless expanse of Southern Botswana, I caught up to the front of the race where everyone was lost, including the leaders. The barely visible tracks had melted into a smorgasbord of game and cattle trails and it was not clear where the right trail was. There was madness. Guys were riding all over the grassy dunes looking for the right track. Some rode the 10k’s back to the last known point and some did that twice! There is a serious issues with riding around trying to “Find yourself” – your trip meter measures it all and it can confuse you more. Worse, we’d be warned to conserve fuel as we were going to need 307km to get to the refuel, riding spending fuel was a really bad idea.

I just sat still, turned the bike off, had a snack bar and some rehydrate whilst scrolling forward through the next 10 or so tulips trying to work it out. I knew I was not more than 500m from where I was supposed to be and very likely to the right of the right trail. I now also knew that the roadbook said the next 40km was almost directly north but that once there, there would be a small village. I made a decision to ride on a CAP heading of 355 through the bush. I gone about 5km when I intersected a faint jeep tracks and not too far ahead could see some dust. Aha! Cool! It wasn’t long before I caught the leaders.

At the village, I could see guys were fretting about fuel, I was pig happy, I still had lots. It took another 30 minutes for the next group of guys to arrive and they were really low on fuel. I was sure I was going to take the stage win that day. Sadly, my gloating ended when they cancelled the stage because the chopper was trapped in mist and thus they couldn’t have medical support.

At the village with the leaders swapping tales

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tommy Transalp on January 07, 2021, 11:38:11 am
So now Ross was going too fast?!  :eek7:..... I thought this was a race!  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Lekker to see that he he's hanging in there with the best! ....Go Ross Go!  :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 11:43:45 am
So now Ross was going too fast?!  :eek7:..... I thought this was a race!  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Lekker to see that he he's hanging in there with the best! ....Go Ross Go!  :thumleft: :thumleft:

If you look at Ross's stage positions and as @Renrew said earlier on, Ross has been incredibly consistent. Really impressive and we all know just how important consistency is at Dakar. He might just surprise us with his result.  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 11:44:40 am
Really gutted for Henk and Brett.

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10:34 Collar bone fracture for Lategan
After two exceptional stages, rookie Henk Lategan suffered an accident at the start of the special and has fractured his collar bone. The South African has been airlifted to Riyadh whilst his co-pilot Brett Cummings was unharmed.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 11:46:44 am
Hats off to BB and Taye,

BB and Geniel are 7min apart on the road and have been doing pretty much the exact same pace for the last 200KM's maintaining the exact same gap since WP1 :deal:

Brian is obviously a really good driver, but I am super impressed with how Taye seems to be handling the navigation. It must be a very different game being a passenger in a car trying to read notes and navigate. The motion sickness would kill me fast.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 11:54:28 am
Brabec16 mins down in the outright, sounds better than the 26 expected

was that not yesterday?
Could be !?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Crankshaft on January 07, 2021, 11:59:06 am
From the SADG, Henk and Brett rolled their Toyota after 20 km into the SS. They were airlifted out. Henk injured his shoulder.

Ai, probably going too fast.

Ooh no :o What a pitty!! They were doing so well
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 07, 2021, 12:07:02 pm
Ross @ ASS :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 12:09:22 pm
From the SADG, Henk and Brett rolled their Toyota after 20 km into the SS. They were airlifted out. Henk injured his shoulder.

Ai, probably going too fast.

Maybe just getting one note wrong, it doesn't take much unfortunately. Hopefully they're back again next year  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2021, 12:11:02 pm
It could be a 1 and 2 in the cars for SA today

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2021, 12:22:49 pm
Baragwanath is getting a chance to stretch his legs today - the man is fast and taye is quite the navigator
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 12:25:15 pm
It could be a 1 and 2 in the cars for SA today

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I don't think so. The 3 cars behind Henk must have stopped as there is a 20 minute gap between Nasser and Perterhansel to the rest. I am guessing Sainz was the first to stop and then PRZYGONSKI and  SHEIKH KHALID AL QASSIMI.

Those three will be given time back and thus may do better than what you can see at the moment.
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 12:31:35 pm
Brabec16 mins down in the outright, sounds better than the 26 expected

was that not yesterday?
Could be !?
Talked nonsense - Might be up to 19min


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 12:32:02 pm
Video from the end of the stage today:

https://web.facebook.com/espacemoto.julien/videos/3602387613172994/?t=44
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 12:37:29 pm
Video from the end of the stage today:

https://web.facebook.com/espacemoto.julien/videos/3602387613172994/?t=44

No, that was the mandatory 15 minute stop & refuel @ checkpoint 5
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 12:41:49 pm
Video from the end of the stage today:

https://web.facebook.com/espacemoto.julien/videos/3602387613172994/?t=44

No, that was the mandatory 15 minute stop & refuel @ checkpoint 5

Yeah just noticed that now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 12:44:32 pm
Amazing how close things are getting with lots of top guns coming on song  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 12:49:53 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: reubenvn on January 07, 2021, 12:50:44 pm
Check pics of roll here

https://www.facebook.com/460861110762673/posts/1640553976126708/?d=n
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 02:00:30 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on January 07, 2021, 02:07:52 pm
Looks like a one two in the cars  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on January 07, 2021, 02:09:18 pm
Giniel edged Brian out by 58 Seconds
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2021, 02:10:53 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back - Great effort nonetheless
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 02:16:26 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 03:22:08 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 03:25:57 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 07, 2021, 03:36:41 pm
I see Ross lost more than 8 minutes to the stage's frontrunner during waypoints 1 and 2. After that he matched the stage winner's speed well. Throughout this Dakar, the early starters have lost time consistently during the first waypoints (especially waypoint 1). So definitely turning out to be a bit of a handicap to start at the front. I suspect tomorrow we'll see Ross take back a few minutes.

Tell me, do everyone get their roadbooks the same time before individual "take-offs", or do they hand them out to everyone at the same time. What I'm getting at is, if you start later, do you have more time to study the roadbook?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2021, 03:38:54 pm
The mind games of getting lost….

It seems amazing that in a field of many bikes all riding down the same track only minutes apart, that anyone other than the leader could get lost? But it’s a constant thing; you will often hear the aliens saying that even on a day that they take the stage win, that they “made a few mistakes”. It’s a super rare thing to hear a rider, even an alien, say they had a perfect navigation day.

It seems simple enough; Ride down a trail, glance at the roadbook to see what’s next and at what kilometre it’s going to happen, then take a quick look at the road to stay on it and glance back down at the trip meter. Now you’ve got 3 bits of info and whilst gazing at the scenery you can, if you’re bored, do the mental arithmetic to subtract the trip meters km’s from the next km mark  in the roadbook you’ve just looked at because that’s fun and can be done repeatedly to keep you occupied. Or, simply wait at your leisure (whilst you get on with the serious business of riding like a God) for the trip meter to slowly wind itself to agree with that exact km and thing the roadbook says will appear ahead. At which point you take the required action as you scroll the roadbook forward to view the next set of instructions and repeat. Simple yes?

For me, I had done no actual roadbook training before I set off on the first stage. I was hyped! I knew the theory and looking at the roadbook the night before, it all seemed so very simple and straightforward. In my mind, the only thing that would prevent me from placing really well was the riding. I gave myself a good talking to about that, “Ride your own pace and let the race come to you, you can’t win it on the first day. Ride at 80% and tomorrow you can open up a bit”

Of course it didn’t matter that I was on a 950 or that I had never been in an enduro or even once on an MX track up to that point in my life. All I did know is that I’m reasonably quick, REALLY like sand and that a KTM 950 almost identical to mine had won the 2002 Dakar. That was good enough for me. Top 10 or even podium here I come! I was quite convinced that Mr Marc Coma was going to have a new worry in the near future...

But, as with most things in life, it’s not at all like the theory says. It truly is a bewildering, even frightening experience trying for the first time to ride to a roadbook.

I’d like to say I was even marginally good at it to begin with, but even that would have been an exaggeration. Firstly, just to read the damn roadbook and trip meters whilst bucking down a trail is in itself a scary thing. You know, you’ve all done it; whilst driving you only look down or away for a second at something on the seat next to you and when you look back you are very surprised to see the road is nowhere where you left it! In fact you’re in the next lane, or worse heading off the road entirely! Well try that even on a good gravel road and the results are even scarier. It’s the reason that the cockpit of a rally bike has the navigation instruments mounted as high as possible to reduce this effect. Even though they are closer to the sight line, there’s still the focus aspect too. If evolution were to have its way, in a few hundred thousand years, rally riders will have eyes that work like a chameleon.

Next is the memory issue. It is difficult to describe the level of frustration and incredulity that happens between glancing at the roadbook, then up at the road and then back down to trip meter and then forgetting both. So you think to yourself, “This is ridiculous! Why can you not remember two simple numbers you fucking idiot?!?!!!” Well, It’s the reason why when you’re driving and you get lost you have to turn the radio off before you can even start to think straight. We are simply not designed to ride a bike and absorb two separate numbers obtained elsewhere and not directly to do with the current business of riding a bike. (let alone CAP headings and and and) It was not programmed into our DNA.

So the only thing to cut down on the task flood, is by slowing down or giving up and following the guy in front. Believe me, in the beginning I often chose the latter because my ego has a firm control of the throttle hand, and I don’t have a firm control of my ego. Even still, besides being a sponging loser, it’s a sure way to kill yourself.

Roadbooks have two main reasons for existing and the second one is getting you to where you are supposed to go. It’s primary function is to keep you safe. There is just no way to ride a rally even at moderate, mid pack speed without a roadbook and not be in serious danger and crash. There are dangers all day that if you aren’t alerted to in time, will end very badly.

And so, well humbled, the process of actually learning began. I had to slow right down and learn to use a methodical, structured system that decreases the likely hood that I’d get lost or kill myself. I learnt to scan my data the same way. I would only look for the macro info and I would verbally repeat back the numbers before moving on. To learn to scan ahead a few tulips in the “quieter times” to prepare. If you just want to finish, then navigation doesn’t play as big a role. You just follow the tracks. However, you still need it for the dangerous stuff and without it can cause follow-on stuff like taking a wrong turn, spending hours trying to find your way back, running low/out of fuel and then getting to camp late where maintenance, sleep and food become an issue. Needless to say, even if you are slow, rally and navigation are not separable.

It was only in my 3rd rally that I even got the CAP heading info to work for me in any meaningful fashion. It was hard enough to keep track of and compute the distance and hieroglyph info, CAP headings were a luxury, or rather, another level of confusion to my limited processing power.

I haven’t even got to the mind games of getting lost when you are up near the sharper end of the group! If you’ve got the basics down and can navigate well enough at speed, the pressure of doing that in competition is enormous….

So there you are 300km in to day 4 lying in the top 20 and having fun. But you could just make that top 10 if you keep it together, maybe? You’re having a really good day so far. No big errors, slowing down in critical places to be sure and nailing them. Then the roadbook says next up @ 327.5 is a single track left with 3 options, the middle one is the one to take and once on it you should be on a heading of 010.

“Cool, ok, stay sharp… um 326… 326.2… what was it again? Uh, ok 327.5…. Ok, 326.8… better slow up a  touch…. 327…. Is that it up ahead, I see the track forking left? But it should be another 500m on? Maybe I’m a little ahead on the trips because I have been cutting the corners through the more open bits. I don’t see anything beyond this one, it just goes straight. Ok, must be it, right? Ok, can I see a middle of three? I only see 2!? Ok, well what was that heading again? Ah yes 010. Well we’re on, 78 at the mo, must be the more right hand one that would be about 010 if I took it, surely? Because the left hand one is about 350 easy. OK, lets see, we can always turn back. Right, now that we’re on it, what's the CAP say? 017? Shit! Come on! Please come a little left… Surely this must be it? Has to be.... Cool got this! Ok, open up get another gear, what’s next? Ummm, shit! Just missed that aardvaark hole…. Ok, 335.4 T junction to a ditch, cross and take the right fork heading 55. So what’s that, um 335 minus, say 328, fuck I hate odd numbers, call it 6 k’s to be safe. Tons of time! Let’s get on it!”

6k’s comes, then 7. “Trip is 334.5… anytime now, slow down for this ditch… 335.6? That really wide turn you took back there couldn’t have been thaaat wide surely? Where’s that ditch? Ok forget the ditch where’s the fork?! 336! Fuck! Slow right down and work it out you chop! There goes 197 and that noisy Yamaha whatshisname guy, they seem to know where they're going? Do I follow or have I fucked up? I don’t see anything but straight for another k at least and besides those two knuckleheads, the rest of the tracks don’t look that fresh but it’s really dry and windy so I can’t really tell!? Fuck, it’s 7k’s back 14 total, that’s a litre easy in this sand and I’m low as it is!!!! FUCK!” 

And that’s how people get lost and lose their shit.

Rally is not speed only. It’s speed, brains and discipline.

On 2 occasions, I knew I’d fucked up and ridden far enough that to go back was going to cost badly, so I took an enormous gamble and cut across the veld/desert to where I guessed the track would have to be. First time it worked beautifully, almost all of us screwed up and almost all of them turned back. One guy, Chris, with bigger fuel tanks and more ego than me only got in after dark after doing an extra 180km! I however chose to…



Once back on the road, I had to now work out where on the roadbook I had re-joined.

The other time I crashed badly and damaged my nav tower and one of my trip meters. It was an expensive lesson.

Another time, in the vast rolling grassy dune effectively featureless expanse of Southern Botswana, I caught up to the front of the race where everyone was lost, including the leaders. The barely visible tracks had melted into a smorgasbord of game and cattle trails and it was not clear where the right trail was. There was madness. Guys were riding all over the grassy dunes looking for the right track. Some rode the 10k’s back to the last known point and some did that twice! There is a serious issues with riding around trying to “Find yourself” – your trip meter measures it all and it can confuse you more. Worse, we’d be warned to conserve fuel as we were going to need 307km to get to the refuel, riding spending fuel was a really bad idea.

I just sat still, turned the bike off, had a snack bar and some rehydrate whilst scrolling forward through the next 10 or so tulips trying to work it out. I knew I was not more than 500m from where I was supposed to be and very likely to the right of the right trail. I now also knew that the roadbook said the next 40km was almost directly north but that once there, there would be a small village. I made a decision to ride on a CAP heading of 355 through the bush. I gone about 5km when I intersected a faint jeep tracks and not too far ahead could see some dust. Aha! Cool! It wasn’t long before I caught the leaders.

At the village, I could see guys were fretting about fuel, I was pig happy, I still had lots. It took another 30 minutes for the next group of guys to arrive and they were really low on fuel. I was sure I was going to take the stage win that day. Sadly, my gloating ended when they cancelled the stage because the chopper was trapped in mist and thus they couldn’t have medical support.

At the village with the leaders swapping tales

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You shuffle some fine reading together quick sticks, really enjoyed
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: m0lt3n on January 07, 2021, 03:40:11 pm
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I think this is one time the navigator will be interviewed more than the driver.

not complaining, just saying
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 03:44:39 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Exploratio on January 07, 2021, 03:45:03 pm
See Henk Lategan is having fun.

Love the new tracking feature on the official Dakar site.

Oh no, having too much fun!!!!!!!!

Been out the whole day, only saw it now that they crashed out.

Happy they are both ok.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 03:48:45 pm
Some great footage here

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2021, 03:51:04 pm
I hope the race organisers throw in a groùp start. Imagine the top 5 or 8 starting at the same time. They will either stick as a group or gun for it, with some loosing out big time

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2021, 03:52:43 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Werner - I am not convinced that Brabec is riding for strategy. You simply do not try so hard to tell everyone if you do.
Very happy about Benavides and Nacho Cornejo's day. Benavides fell and still won the stage, and Nacho does not seem to make many mistakes. No one noticed this guy consistently climbing the general standings day after day.  TP and Sunderland rode brilliantly too.
This Dakar will turn into a dogfight soon - I hope
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 03:56:49 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Werner - I am not convinced that Brabec is riding for strategy. You simply do not try so hard to tell everyone if you do.
Very happy about Benavides and Nacho Cornejo's day. Benavides fell and still won the stage, and Nacho does not seem to make many mistakes. No one noticed this guy consistently climbing the general standings day after day.  TP and Sunderland rode brilliantly too.
This Dakar will turn into a dogfight soon - I hope
Agreed, if it’s really his strategy he’d be keeping it quiet. Or at the very least he’d be keeping it below 20min, no need for almost half and hour...

I saw Cornejo was riding brilliantly as well, quite impressed by his pace.

Give us some inside from your guy Hardy.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 03:58:30 pm
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How these guys are able to keep pace with a serious setback like losing breaks is beyond me. They just muscle through with their skill.

I’d cancel my trip and get the chopper back


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 07, 2021, 04:02:19 pm
Tell me, do everyone get their roadbooks the same time before individual "take-offs", or do they hand them out to everyone at the same time. What I'm getting at is, if you start later, do you have more time to study the roadbook?
Each rider receives the road book 20 mins before his/her starting time
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 07, 2021, 04:14:37 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Werner - I am not convinced that Brabec is riding for strategy. You simply do not try so hard to tell everyone if you do.
Very happy about Benavides and Nacho Cornejo's day. Benavides fell and still won the stage, and Nacho does not seem to make many mistakes. No one noticed this guy consistently climbing the general standings day after day.  TP and Sunderland rode brilliantly too.
This Dakar will turn into a dogfight soon - I hope
Agreed, if it’s really his strategy he’d be keeping it quiet. Or at the very least he’d be keeping it below 20min, no need for almost half and hour...

I saw Cornejo was riding brilliantly as well, quite impressed by his pace.

Give us some inside from your guy Hardy.


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Super impressed with Cornejo (Opened the track for 75% of the day and still finished 20 seconds faster than TP)
Moer of a nice guy. Worked with him, Barreda and Jean Michel Bayle once and it seems as if they and Quantanilla ride with us in June/July in Namibia.
I was a massive Barreda fan untill I met this oke. Cool, calm, collected fearless and seriously smart.
I love the fact that he moves under the radar, but I am a little worried that he is the junior in the team as far as the Monster Energy management is concerned.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2021, 04:21:15 pm
Trying to read up on tyres but needle in haystack so far. Looking at the Dakar website I see Honda is now a official partner like Bf Goodrich, Motul and Rebellion to name a few, what are they doing their, my 50 bucks conspiracy says same as Moto GP rigging again, hand oppie blaas soos hulle se
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 07, 2021, 04:31:54 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Werner - I am not convinced that Brabec is riding for strategy. You simply do not try so hard to tell everyone if you do.
Very happy about Benavides and Nacho Cornejo's day. Benavides fell and still won the stage, and Nacho does not seem to make many mistakes. No one noticed this guy consistently climbing the general standings day after day.  TP and Sunderland rode brilliantly too.
This Dakar will turn into a dogfight soon - I hope
Agreed, if it’s really his strategy he’d be keeping it quiet. Or at the very least he’d be keeping it below 20min, no need for almost half and hour...

I saw Cornejo was riding brilliantly as well, quite impressed by his pace.

Give us some inside from your guy Hardy.


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Re: Brabec.  Might just be his American 'Bravado"
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Wooly Bugger on January 07, 2021, 04:36:02 pm
The factory teams must have been pissed off with the privateer winning that stage?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 07:04:59 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 08:02:55 pm
I see ASO has blocked the gaps.dakar tracking site  :dousing:  Fookingfrogs.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 07, 2021, 08:12:40 pm
https://youtu.be/t3_xleKDmT0

Best of dakar 2021 up to now
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 08:53:22 pm
I see ASO has blocked the gaps.dakar tracking site  :dousing:  Fookingfrogs.

Mine is still running. James is nearing the ASS.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 09:01:13 pm
I see ASO has blocked the gaps.dakar tracking site  :dousing:  Fookingfrogs.

Mine is still running. James is nearing the ASS.

Strange  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 09:05:46 pm
I see ASO has blocked the gaps.dakar tracking site  :dousing:  Fookingfrogs.

Mine is still running. James is nearing the ASS.

Strange  ???
Jip. Mine is running on Firefox browser though.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 09:08:34 pm
Here is a screenshot of the map
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 09:29:04 pm
I see ASO has blocked the gaps.dakar tracking site  :dousing:  Fookingfrogs.

Mine is still running. James is nearing the ASS.

Strange  ???

Go in from the official page to live timings and it will work
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 09:39:53 pm
He only has 15k's of serious dunes to go and he's still moving. It seems there is a truck close to him too so he should be out hopefully....

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 09:52:59 pm
 Stage 6 shortened with a deferred start
January 7th 2021 - 21:25 [GMT + 3]

Due to the difficulties encountered in finishing stage 5 by a significant number of competitors, the decision has been taken to delay the departure of the riders and crews from the bivouac in Al Qaisumah by 1 hour 30 minutes. The route of the special on stage 6 has therefore been shortened by one hundred kilometres in order to make the programme less tough. However, the competitors will still have to tackle sand and dunes. Though navigational skills will again play a decisive role in the outcome of this special, the riders’ and drivers’ physical capacities will also be sorely tested, demanding a considerable effort from them. After that, they will fully deserve the rest day that will take place in Ha’il.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 07, 2021, 09:56:00 pm

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Strange  ???
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Go in from the official page to live timings and it will work
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Thanks, will give it a try.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 09:56:56 pm
Stage 6 shortened with a deferred start
January 7th 2021 - 21:25 [GMT + 3]

Due to the difficulties encountered in finishing stage 5 by a significant number of competitors, the decision has been taken to delay the departure of the riders and crews from the bivouac in Al Qaisumah by 1 hour 30 minutes. The route of the special on stage 6 has therefore been shortened by one hundred kilometres in order to make the programme less tough. However, the competitors will still have to tackle sand and dunes. Though navigational skills will again play a decisive role in the outcome of this special, the riders’ and drivers’ physical capacities will also be sorely tested, demanding a considerable effort from them. After that, they will fully deserve the rest day that will take place in Ha’il.
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 10:09:31 pm
I suppose James has to sleep there. It's a 260km liaison to the camp!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 10:10:36 pm
I suppose James has to sleep there. It's a 260km liaison to the camp!

I think so too. 2.5 - 3.5 hrs riding. And all that is at the bivouc that is not at the ASS is his box...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 07, 2021, 10:11:02 pm
That’s what makes Dakar so Brutal, the infamous snowball of which we’ve seen so little of.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 07, 2021, 10:16:16 pm
James at the ASS!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2021, 10:26:22 pm
Geez, thats tough! Hope he's ok.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 07, 2021, 10:28:59 pm
Thank goodness

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 07, 2021, 10:38:03 pm
And Price shatters his 11 min deficit to only 3min in total standing after a single stage catapulting him from 8th to 4th overal.

Brabec with an overal deficit of 25min and Branch down to 8th from 3rd unfortunately

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Easier from the back
You think it was his strategy to fall back?

And somewhat related, wonder if Brabec is REALLY maintaining a 26min deficit as a strategy or just saving face?

We saw today how hard TP had to work to shred 6min from his deficit, extrapolate that and Brabec has to consistently shred 4-5 minutes every single day amongst a very fast field.

Not sure how he will be able to “manage the race” with that deficit.


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Werner - I am not convinced that Brabec is riding for strategy. You simply do not try so hard to tell everyone if you do.
Very happy about Benavides and Nacho Cornejo's day. Benavides fell and still won the stage, and Nacho does not seem to make many mistakes. No one noticed this guy consistently climbing the general standings day after day.  TP and Sunderland rode brilliantly too.
This Dakar will turn into a dogfight soon - I hope
Agreed, if it’s really his strategy he’d be keeping it quiet. Or at the very least he’d be keeping it below 20min, no need for almost half and hour...

I saw Cornejo was riding brilliantly as well, quite impressed by his pace.

Give us some inside from your guy Hardy.


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From his comments tonight it’s definitely not his strategy


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 07, 2021, 11:10:31 pm
The latest trip meters are gps driven and incredibly accurate. Older versions worked off the front wheel and needed constant calibrating. However, it is seldom that your trip meter will be 100% with the roadbook. Due to the variations in lines, and sometimes getting slightly lost, each riders trip meter needs constant adjusting.

On the left handlebar are an “up” and “down” button that can advance or reduce the trip distance so as to get back into sync with the roadbook. If you really stuff up and are completely lost, the only sure way to “find” yourself again is to ride back to the last known point, re-sync the trip meter with the roadbook for that point and start again.

That is why you sometimes see people coming back alongside the track. It is super dangerous as you can imagine.

The other more common way is to keep going, scroll the roadbook forwards a few tulips and hope you recognise something soon that you know for sure is matching. Then if/when you do, sync the trip meter and if the very next tulip agrees completely, you’re back in business. This is where the CAP headings are super useful, they have to line up too for complete peace of mind.

There are other ways to get “back onto the roadbook”;

Stop next to another and ask “where are we?”  If he’s worked it out, hopefully he says something like “km 427.3 we’ve just past tulip 97 with the windmill on the left”. You would then scroll the roadbook to that tulip box and scroll your trips to 427.3.

The other way is to latch onto someone who seems to know where they’re going and hope like hell they’re right. Then scroll the roadbook forward to some very obvious feature that that you know for sure you couldn’t have passed yet and hope you recognise it. Once you see it, then you reset the trip meter to the right distance and Hoooray, you’re back in the game.

This last method is seriously risky, not because your guy ahead might be getting both of you even more lost, but all the dangerous cautions that the roadbook alerts you to can’t be known exactly. That scroll of paper is a huge safety net.

That is why you hear of people saying they did an extra 35km. They did the extra ks whilst trying to work out where they were.

Thanks Kamanya, super helpful and informative
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 07, 2021, 11:14:15 pm
Just in from BBG Group >> Ok so this is the situation for Mathieu: because many competitors are still in the stage, the organisers are setting up a bivouac art the finish line to avoid the competitors doing 250km x2 tonight. If Mathieu is through the finish before midnight, he can come here. If not, he must stay there, fix the car and go straight to the start of stage 6 tomorrow morning very close by. One of the SRT service truck is waiting for him at the finish line. The T4 race truck is still coming..

That means James sleeps at the finish line.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 08:23:08 am
https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1388218391532831/
Ross on yesterdays stage -Yamaha website

https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1388190904868913/

Ross in his proudly southafrican Mira gear
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2021, 08:27:10 am
I heard Benavides broke his nose with the crash yesterday
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 08:32:06 am
James Alexander on yesterday
https://www.facebook.com/101296645091086/posts/145184710702279/

Tough times vasbyt
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 08:52:28 am
James Alexander on yesterday
https://www.facebook.com/101296645091086/posts/145184710702279/

Tough times vasbyt

Wonder what his front issue is?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:36:01 am
Toby flying - Ross through WP2 2nd just behind at this stage. Mielies Give You Wings.
 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 08, 2021, 09:38:17 am
Price started 3min behind leader and is already ahead?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2021, 09:41:26 am
Lets hope Brabec lets go of his strategy to take it slow  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 08, 2021, 09:41:44 am
Price started 3min behind leader and is already ahead?


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He is doin very well at the moment.

I thin he overheard the conversations of not being an alien  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 08, 2021, 09:42:31 am
Lets hope Brabec lets go of his strategy to take it slow  ::)
This elusive strategy

I see some memes in his future


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:43:17 am
Price started 3min behind leader and is already ahead?


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And closing rapidly on the leaders on the ground.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:44:39 am
Lets hope Brabec lets go of his strategy to take it slow  ::)
This elusive strategy

I see some memes in his future


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He is on the pipe today as well. Another charge of the light brigade.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2021, 09:45:59 am
Lets hope Brabec lets go of his strategy to take it slow  ::)
This elusive strategy

I see some memes in his future


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He is on the pipe bread tin today as well. Another charge of the light brigade.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Fixed  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 08, 2021, 09:48:08 am
Brabec is definitely on the pipe!

Talking of strategy, I’m not getting Toby’s strategy, he is yo-yo’ing like crazy and soon he’ll be in the lead and effectively taking the brunt of the navigation, which hasn’t worked out for most.

And after rest day he’ll open and just plummet to the bottom again... It’ll be the same story once again for him.

Ross’s strategy, to my mind, seems superior by staying just behind them.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:49:05 am
Lets hope Brabec lets go of his strategy to take it slow  ::)
This elusive strategy

I see some memes in his future


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He is on the pipe bread tin today as well. Another charge of the light brigade.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Fixed  :biggrin:

I am pleased that one of mine has stuck - I see they still use it  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:50:28 am
Ja Two Pies is doing some major low flying this morning  :o. Ross has reeled in Skylar and he is now Howing at the Moon  :imaposer:

And BB is banging it today as well and just through WP1 1st ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lpj on January 08, 2021, 10:00:21 am
TP must sit where he is now, maintain the gap ahead to Benavides and Florimo. He can pounce later in the stage if needed.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 08, 2021, 10:06:16 am
Please tell me someone here has Brett's number so that i can phone Brett to go an talk to 2Pies . . . .   :patch: :dousing: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2021, 10:15:49 am
Apologies if discussed all ready.
I saw on the latest Dakar Daily, Viladoms states they are using all 6 new tyres this week and then will see where they stand with tyre wear next week.

In my mind this is quite a gamble. Unless they're just saying that for TV and the other team's sake.

I would think you already use second hand tyres on shorter stages, in order to save what you can and also test ultimate tyre life. Although he also mentions that tyre wear in general isn't that bad.

Maybe a non issue... :scratch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 10:22:37 am
:o. Ross has reeled in Skylar and he is now Howing at the Moon  :imaposer:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 10:26:03 am
Apologies if discussed all ready.
I saw on the latest Dakar Daily, Viladoms states they are using all 6 new tyres this week and then will see where they stand with tyre wear next week.

In my mind this is quite a gamble. Unless they're just saying that for TV and the other team's sake.

I would think you already use second hand tyres on shorter stages, in order to save what you can and also test ultimate tyre life. Although he also mentions that tyre wear in general isn't that bad.

Maybe a non issue... :scratch:

He made an interesting comment.

We here behind our keyboards, are all viewing this tyre restriction through the lens of wear. That isn't the big issue as Viladoms points out, he says that the tyres are wearing well, it's the cuts that are the main concern.

One serious cut and regardless of wear, that tyre is going to be a huge risk to run.

A worn tyre is still rideable, a cut tyre in a strategic place soon starts to tear itself to pieces.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 10:32:54 am
Provisional Bareda, Toby,  Ross, Cornejo and Brabec- top 3 grouped in less than 30 sec
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2021, 10:39:15 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 08, 2021, 10:42:41 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 08, 2021, 10:44:30 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)
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She's is definitely not getting as much airtime as before...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 10:45:15 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)

She's there, started 27th today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2021, 10:48:29 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)

She's there, started 27th today.
so quite far down where she was almost in top ten in prev years
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 08, 2021, 10:54:09 am

She's is definitely not getting as much airtime as before...

I have the impression, not only her.
To me it feels like all non KTM and non Redbull competitors are getting less coverage. Maybe it's just my perception as for once I'm interested in a Yamaha.
That being said, GasGas belongs to KTM.... so who knows. Plus Redbull is a Dakar sponsor...

I guess it's a case of "he who has the gold makes the rules".
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 11:00:50 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)

She's there, started 27th today.

She came into the race (her 11th having finished al 10 before!) still carrying a bit of an injury and also has had Lime Disease - so not 100% race fit. I guess she is also 10 years older  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 11:01:25 am

She's is definitely not getting as much airtime as before...

I have the impression, not only her.
To me it feels like all non KTM and non Redbull competitors are getting less coverage. Maybe it's just my perception as for once I'm interested in a Yamaha.
That being said, GasGas belongs to KTM.... so who knows. Plus Redbull is a Dakar sponsor...

I guess it's a case of "he who has the gold makes the rules".

I thought they were just anti-Southern Africans....  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 08, 2021, 11:01:50 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)

She's there, started 27th today.
so quite far down where she was almost in top ten in prev years
The princess contracted some disease prior to Dakar and is not 100% fit
She aims to finish somewhere in the top 15
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 11:03:03 am
kak question in the face of all the knowledge displayed here around actual riding and racing and navigating etc which is awesome ...but i keep wondering where my stukkie is this year..yes young laiya (i presume not riding)

She's there, started 27th today.

She came into the race (her 11th having finished al 10 before!) still carrying a bit of an injury and also has had Lime Disease - so not 100% race fit. I guess she is also 10 years older  :o

Limes Disease - thats damn debilitating..... Can take years to sort effectively, and it never goes completely....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 11:10:47 am

She's is definitely not getting as much airtime as before...

I have the impression, not only her.
To me it feels like all non KTM and non Redbull competitors are getting less coverage. Maybe it's just my perception as for once I'm interested in a Yamaha.
That being said, GasGas belongs to KTM.... so who knows. Plus Redbull is a Dakar sponsor...

I guess it's a case of "he who has the gold makes the rules".

KTM own 60% of Gas Gas  ... Laia has 100% KTM under the sticker kit.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 11:11:44 am
The Special Branch (soon to be Great) - through WP4 3rd with BB still on the run. It will be interesting to see average speeds as they seem to be really on it today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2021, 11:18:27 am


She came into the race (her 11th having finished al 10 before!) still carrying a bit of an injury and also has had Lime Disease - so not 100% race fit. I guess she is also 10 years older  :o
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ag shame ..isnt limes like tick bite fever..i actually thought had been eradicated (limes not ticks) ..hmm limes tequla margarita hmm yes please
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 11:50:49 am


She came into the race (her 11th having finished al 10 before!) still carrying a bit of an injury and also has had Lime Disease - so not 100% race fit. I guess she is also 10 years older  :o
ag shame ..isnt limes like tick bite fever..i actually thought had been eradicated (limes not ticks) ..hmm limes tequla margarita hmm yes please
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Yes, the same as tick bite fever - but from deer ... different tick.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on January 08, 2021, 11:54:35 am
Ross has taken the stage lead at WP5? Am I reading this right?

(https://puu.sh/H4V62/57dffd0006.png)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 12:01:17 pm
Just through WP5 first at this stage. BB to come and on song.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 12:17:11 pm
Barreda hits back
Joan Barreda has retaken the lead after 202 km from Toby Price and has even gained an extra minute over the Australian. Ricky Brabec, Daniel Sanders and Ross Branch are also 1 minute behind Barreda. It is an also an excellent start to the special for Adrien van Beveren who, until today, had been rather discreet behind the handlebars of his Yamaha.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2021, 12:17:32 pm
Apologies if discussed all ready.
I saw on the latest Dakar Daily, Viladoms states they are using all 6 new tyres this week and then will see where they stand with tyre wear next week.
In my mind this is quite a gamble. Unless they're just saying that for TV and the other team's sake.
I would think you already use second hand tyres on shorter stages, in order to save what you can and also test ultimate tyre life. Although he also mentions that tyre wear in general isn't that bad.
Maybe a non issue... :scratch:
He made an interesting comment.
We here behind our keyboards, are all viewing this tyre restriction through the lens of wear. That isn't the big issue as Viladoms points out, he says that the tyres are wearing well, it's the cuts that are the main concern.
One serious cut and regardless of wear, that tyre is going to be a huge risk to run.
A worn tyre is still rideable, a cut tyre in a strategic place soon starts to tear itself to pieces.
Would one be allowed to "fix" a tyre with a cut? Say at the end of the stage use some kind of superduper glue to squeeze into a cut to help the tyre last longer / be safer? Let it cure for a day or two and then use it again?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 12:28:11 pm
Apologies if discussed all ready.
I saw on the latest Dakar Daily, Viladoms states they are using all 6 new tyres this week and then will see where they stand with tyre wear next week.
In my mind this is quite a gamble. Unless they're just saying that for TV and the other team's sake.
I would think you already use second hand tyres on shorter stages, in order to save what you can and also test ultimate tyre life. Although he also mentions that tyre wear in general isn't that bad.
Maybe a non issue... :scratch:
He made an interesting comment.
We here behind our keyboards, are all viewing this tyre restriction through the lens of wear. That isn't the big issue as Viladoms points out, he says that the tyres are wearing well, it's the cuts that are the main concern.
One serious cut and regardless of wear, that tyre is going to be a huge risk to run.
A worn tyre is still rideable, a cut tyre in a strategic place soon starts to tear itself to pieces.
Would one be allowed to "fix" a tyre with a cut? Say at the end of the stage use some kind of superduper glue to squeeze into a cut to help the tyre last longer / be safer? Let it cure for a day or two and then use it again?

Pretty sure.

A gaitor of some kind.

I know for sure my local tire dealer won't do it. (but I am sure he's less concerned about my safety and would rather sell a new tire.)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 12:42:21 pm
Ross through WP7 first but probably get bumped by BB but seriously impressive pace.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 12:42:30 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 08, 2021, 12:44:27 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year :ricky:
Consistency wins the Dakar always!! :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 12:45:01 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year  :ricky:

And fastest at PK404 - Am I reading that correctly?

Be interesting to see what he does if he gets a chance to open the road tomorrow
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 12:45:08 pm
And he's very well placed to keep up the pace without needing to be right at the front.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 12:46:42 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year  :ricky:

And fastest at PK404 - Am I reading that correctly?

Be interesting to see what he does if he gets a chance to open the road tomorrow

Ja but not really. The fastest guys need to still come through. To get the best idea of the stage standings during a stage rather look at the last waypoint that has had at least say 15 or 20 riders pass through. From there it won't change much. So he's sitting around 3rd place at this stage.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 12:48:11 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year  :ricky:

And fastest at PK404 - Am I reading that correctly?

Be interesting to see what he does if he gets a chance to open the road tomorrow

Ja but not really. The fastest guys need to still come through. To get the best idea of the stage standings during a stage rather look at the last waypoint that has had at least say 15 or 20 riders pass through. From there it won't change much. So he's sitting around 3rd place at this stage.

OK Ja - missed them speedy buggers farther back....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 12:51:03 pm
The two lovebirds at the back are out. Didn't make it to the start.

The utter cynic in me see's....

A young guy, lovely girl, she's tough but in distress, he comes to her aid, they make it through... so far so good. If he walked away right there, he's free and clear.

Maybe, just maybe she added a small peck on the lips to say thanks at some point....

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING ABANDON SHIP!!! Else this will most likely end up in JoMa under a "Bat shit crazy" type thread.

He doesn't listen of course and so day 2 starts....

(http://www.rocketfarms.com/images/flowers/venus-flytraps-banner-squares/rocket-farms-venus-fly-trap.jpg)

What ever happens, she'd better pucker up BIG time.

(Yes, I am a divorced and single)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 12:53:04 pm
Not sure "pucker" is the right word  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2021, 01:03:18 pm
Ross is on it today, consistently sitting at 5th then 3rd fastest so far. When you compare to his other days, he is probably one of the most consistent riders out there this year  :ricky:
And fastest at PK404 - Am I reading that correctly?
Be interesting to see what he does if he gets a chance to open the road tomorrow
Ja but not really. The fastest guys need to still come through. To get the best idea of the stage standings during a stage rather look at the last waypoint that has had at least say 15 or 20 riders pass through. From there it won't change much. So he's sitting around 3rd place at this stage.
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:06:38 pm
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....

I think Ross will be 3rd or 4th on the stage which is a good position to be in.

Edit: Tomorrow is a rest day.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 01:06:59 pm
OK I was wondering when the rest day was.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 01:08:00 pm
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....

I think Ross will be 3rd or 4th on the stage which is a good position to be in.

Edit: Tomorrow is a rest day.

My timing showing 1st?  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 01:08:51 pm
The two lovebirds at the back are out. Didn't make it to the start.

The utter cynic in me see's....

A young guy, lovely girl, she's tough but in distress, he comes to her aid, they make it through... so far so good. If he walked away right there, he's free and clear.

Maybe, just maybe she added a small peck on the lips to say thanks at some point....

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING ABANDON SHIP!!! Else this will most likely end up in JoMa under a "Bat shit crazy" type thread.

He doesn't listen of course and so day 2 starts....

(http://www.rocketfarms.com/images/flowers/venus-flytraps-banner-squares/rocket-farms-venus-fly-trap.jpg)

What ever happens, she'd better pucker up BIG time.

(Yes, I am a divorced and single)

Is it a pity I cant see the image, or not....?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:09:20 pm
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....

I think Ross will be 3rd or 4th on the stage which is a good position to be in.

Edit: Tomorrow is a rest day.

My timing showing 1st?  :o

As I said earlier, you guys are jumping the gun. He's in the finish but the fastest guys on the day so far (JBB and  Sanders) aren't in yet.

Edit: That said, Ross has pipped Sanders at WP7 and is 2nd now possbily. Good show :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 01:10:20 pm
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....

I think Ross will be 3rd or 4th on the stage which is a good position to be in.

Edit: Tomorrow is a rest day.

My timing showing 1st?  :o

As I said earlier, you guys are jumping the gun. He's in the finish but the fastest guys on the day so far (JBB and  Sanders) aren't in yet.

Ja I know it is virtual.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2021, 01:11:00 pm
WRT the repairing of tyre's, and being in the industry myself, a cut or tear on the sidewall is not repairable without using a reinforced gator applied with high temp and under pressure for a length of time.  Even then, the extent of the damage could also cause the gator to fail.  These tyres take a beating and are always under stress so I doubt very much that they would take the risk.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on January 08, 2021, 01:12:14 pm
To me it looks like Ross may finish 2nd for the stage. Meaning he would have to start day after tomorrow with only JBB to guide him. What can go wrong?
Edit: I'd rather have Ross opening than following JBB (in terms of nav)....

I think Ross will be 3rd or 4th on the stage which is a good position to be in.

Edit: Tomorrow is a rest day.

My timing showing 1st?  :o

I have him 2nd, with the Big Guns in...?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:13:42 pm
I have him 2nd, with the Big Guns in...?

That was Wp7.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 01:14:18 pm
The two lovebirds at the back are out. Didn't make it to the start.

The utter cynic in me see's....

A young guy, lovely girl, she's tough but in distress, he comes to her aid, they make it through... so far so good. If he walked away right there, he's free and clear.

Maybe, just maybe she added a small peck on the lips to say thanks at some point....

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING ABANDON SHIP!!! Else this will most likely end up in JoMa under a "Bat shit crazy" type thread.

He doesn't listen of course and so day 2 starts....

(http://www.rocketfarms.com/images/flowers/venus-flytraps-banner-squares/rocket-farms-venus-fly-trap.jpg)

What ever happens, she'd better pucker up BIG time.

(Yes, I am a divorced and single)

Is it a pity I cant see the image, or not....?

Think Venus fly trap with fly inside
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:17:38 pm
Speculation hat on, JBB decides to stop for a piss and Ross takes the stage win today. Imagine that  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 01:19:00 pm

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Think Venus fly trap with fly inside

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Sticky situation - more like a penis flytrap.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 01:19:54 pm
Speculation hat on, JBB decides to stop for a piss and Ross takes the stage win today. Imagine that  :pot:

BB will take the stage by 13s  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:20:36 pm
Speculation hat on, JBB decides to stop for a piss and Ross takes the stage win today. Imagine that  :pot:

Ja. JBB in 13sec ahead of Ross
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 01:22:45 pm
And I think James is either Tail End Charlie or one from the back.... but still in it  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2021, 01:24:06 pm
Bang Bang and it's done.  The second half of the race is going to be edge of the seat stuff.  Without a doubt the most unproductive 2 weeks of the year for me.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 08, 2021, 01:25:21 pm
Speculation hat on, JBB decides to stop for a piss and Ross takes the stage win today. Imagine that  :pot:
Ja. JBB in 13sec ahead of Ross
Man! I'm just getting more and more impressed by Ross!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:27:50 pm
So looks like Ross goes into the rest day in 4th overall, less than 4min down on Two Pies.

Also, when last did we have day 6 with 5 manufacturers in the top 10? (Yeah I know technically Husky and KTM is the same bike)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:31:43 pm
TP is sitting in a great striking position leading the overall and 6th on stage giving him the perfect starting position after the rest day.

Brabec is going to have his work cut out for him over the next week if he is going to make top 5, never mind the podium.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 08, 2021, 01:34:41 pm
The two lovebirds at the back are out. Didn't make it to the start.

The utter cynic in me see's....

A young guy, lovely girl, she's tough but in distress, he comes to her aid, they make it through... so far so good. If he walked away right there, he's free and clear.

Maybe, just maybe she added a small peck on the lips to say thanks at some point....

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING ABANDON SHIP!!! Else this will most likely end up in JoMa under a "Bat shit crazy" type thread.

He doesn't listen of course and so day 2 starts....

(http://www.rocketfarms.com/images/flowers/venus-flytraps-banner-squares/rocket-farms-venus-fly-trap.jpg)

What ever happens, she'd better pucker up BIG time.

(Yes, I am a divorced and single)

hmm if its the 2 i think..she will moer him stukkend if he does anything she dont want him to do ...but she was crying and on phone to someone telling them how she loves them in front of him n tv viewers of millions...hmm bit of a cover up so no one will know..i wonder
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 08, 2021, 01:34:56 pm
TP played it perfectly today, 12 sec over 4th/5th position gives him 12min on the road come Sunday.

Spectacular riding once again by Ross. . . . 2nd fastest in the world today by a mere 48sec over 400km :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 01:38:26 pm
TP played it perfectly today, 12 sec over 4th/5th position gives him 12min on the road come Sunday.

Spectacular riding once again by Ross. . . . 2nd fastest in the world today by a mere 48sec over 400km :ricky:

Make that 2nd fastest by a mere 13sec  :ricky: :ricky:

The dakar website is often delayed. Use Misha's site: http://trackingdakar.com/en/stage-6/bikes/waypoints/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 01:45:15 pm
I see Ross is laying 5th overall now - actually tying with Soultrain.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 01:55:01 pm
First bikes in Ross ahead of Walker but have to wait for Barreda and Sanders and others for official timing. Kalahari Ferrari or what. James going good with  P82 at km 158 provisional
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 08, 2021, 01:59:33 pm
Any reason why Sanders, Sunderland and Soutrait dont have a time for 1st PK?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 02:01:22 pm
Number 3 for Barreda finishing 13 sec ahead of Ross and 53 ahead of Sanders
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 02:02:50 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 02:09:05 pm
The two lovebirds at the back are out. Didn't make it to the start.

The utter cynic in me see's....

A young guy, lovely girl, she's tough but in distress, he comes to her aid, they make it through... so far so good. If he walked away right there, he's free and clear.

Maybe, just maybe she added a small peck on the lips to say thanks at some point....

MAYDAY, MAYDAY, THIS IS YOUR CAPTAIN SPEAKING ABANDON SHIP!!! Else this will most likely end up in JoMa under a "Bat shit crazy" type thread.

He doesn't listen of course and so day 2 starts....

(http://www.rocketfarms.com/images/flowers/venus-flytraps-banner-squares/rocket-farms-venus-fly-trap.jpg)

What ever happens, she'd better pucker up BIG time.

(Yes, I am a divorced and single)

hmm if its the 2 i think..she will moer him stukkend if he does anything she dont want him to do ...but she was crying and on phone to someone telling them how she loves them in front of him n tv viewers of millions...hmm bit of a cover up so no one will know..i wonder

She was speaking to her mother and daughter
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2021, 02:12:59 pm
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When TP considers the pace crazy I can only imagine




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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2021, 02:17:23 pm
Kevin Benavides almost 10min off the pace today.  Not half bad racing with a broken nose.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 02:19:00 pm
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When TP considers the pace crazy I can only imagine




Exactly. That also really puts Ross's performance into perspective  :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 03:41:41 pm
Why is James not on the Misha tracking app but on the Dakar one?

Is he still officially in?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 03:59:13 pm
Why is James not on the Misha tracking app but on the Dakar one?

Is he still officially in?

Still showing officially at PK361 so almost there?

Bikes top 10 is 16 minutes, cars it's a couple of hours, back to F1 versus MotoGP, what is more interesting.  :sip: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 08, 2021, 04:06:01 pm
Vok F1 en sokker! :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2021, 04:20:01 pm
Vok F1 en sokker! :deal:

Re: "SOKKER"  If I wanted to waste 90 mins of my life watching a bunch of blokes running around and not scoring, I'd rather go to the pub and watch my mates.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 08, 2021, 04:23:36 pm
With Saudi being a Muslim country, do you recon these blokes are allowed to crack a cold one after a stage?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 05:04:38 pm
Sure they snap a cold one in the motorhome, where's all our pics guys, covid nailed the downloads. Is there any bikes in classic category
James Alexander got about 60km to go for the day
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 08, 2021, 05:11:29 pm
Walkners day and take on Ross

https://fb.watch/2UbCxeOx6a/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 08, 2021, 05:29:24 pm
Come on guys if Ross can plan his day to stay 13's away from opening the stage the next day then surely he must be counted as an . . . .  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 05:43:36 pm
James is in, just has to get to ASS and tomorrow is rest day "ish".  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 08, 2021, 05:47:44 pm
Why is James not on the Misha tracking app but on the Dakar one?

Is he still officially in?

Still showing officially at PK361 so almost there?

Bikes top 10 is 16 minutes, cars it's a couple of hours, back to F1 versus MotoGP, what is more interesting.  :sip:
F1 vs Motogp, did you fall on your head ?  :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 05:59:15 pm
NOPE
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 08, 2021, 06:47:19 pm
Anyone who doesn't think Ross is riding an awesome Dakar, was clearly thrown against the wall as a child, he is placed perfectly on average, check how many "gods" are not in touch with him.......  :biggrin:
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2021, 06:48:07 pm
Here is walkners comments translated .

Ross may be reaching alien status dare I say it




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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 08, 2021, 06:49:31 pm
Was that an awesome day today!!! , also scenic it was super impressive. We drove almost 90 % in the sand and dunes. The front drivers had a huge pace on today and opened up extremely quickly. At kilometer 120, navigation became very challenging and I only drove as fast as I estimated that I could navigate this section without mistakes. From the refueling so kilometer 150 I then rode together with Ross Branch, who started the stage right behind me and caught up with me. The fact that he was able to do three minutes well surprised me because I too was driving a decent pace. I guess he was more oriented towards the tracks. Two days before riding Skyler Howes, I was thinking crazy what a pace he sets - but Ross Branch's pace is another boost. We caught up on Skyler then three more minutes to the finish line. Ross has an incredible pace. I felt like I was in the qualifying lap at a motocross race where you move at the limit in every single curve . I was just looking at Branch, how the dunes continue, when demolition edges arrive - every dune that was 2-3 meters high, it jumped down the back of the flat - the problem was, I had to jump and tried on it to stay . If I hadn't gone with his driving pace, I'd be demolished and surely lost two or three minutes. In part, we drove into the dunes so quickly that we took off in the compression and landed into the steep. This is somehow a new way of driving dunes So either I'm too old or not used to speed anymore, but I think it was the fastest stage I've ever driven. Branch is from South Africa and you just realize that he is an extremely good sand driver and technician, he also drove the Motocross World Cup. It was also very technical for riding today, this was less about risk or courage - in the dunes you really have to be able to ride a motorcycle. Taking the motorcycle with me, making it easy, drifting across the dune,... At the end I could catch up for a few more minutes and with space five and three minutes behind I'm really satisfied, especially it was a really cool day! But I'm also pretty tired and I'm already really looking forward to the rest day. I hope I could take you a bit to today's stage


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 08, 2021, 07:01:10 pm
Cool comments on RB. Mixing it up with the best out there and getting praised by the Dakar legends. This boytjie from Jwaneng deserves at least a podium finish.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 07:04:07 pm
@ 1:50 Brian is using two levers. One is obviously the gear, but what the other for?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 08:01:48 pm
James is killing me!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 08:32:22 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 08, 2021, 08:33:23 pm
Not again! Come on James!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 08:35:09 pm
We'll need to get a slow clap going for the man!
 :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:

Ross Branch:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 08, 2021, 08:36:34 pm
Was that an awesome day today!!! , also scenic it was super impressive. We drove almost 90 % in the sand and dunes. The front drivers had a huge pace on today and opened up extremely quickly. At kilometer 120, navigation became very challenging and I only drove as fast as I estimated that I could navigate this section without mistakes. From the refueling so kilometer 150 I then rode together with Ross Branch, who started the stage right behind me and caught up with me. The fact that he was able to do three minutes well surprised me because I too was driving a decent pace. I guess he was more oriented towards the tracks. Two days before riding Skyler Howes, I was thinking crazy what a pace he sets - but Ross Branch's pace is another boost. We caught up on Skyler then three more minutes to the finish line. Ross has an incredible pace. I felt like I was in the qualifying lap at a motocross race where you move at the limit in every single curve . I was just looking at Branch, how the dunes continue, when demolition edges arrive - every dune that was 2-3 meters high, it jumped down the back of the flat - the problem was, I had to jump and tried on it to stay . If I hadn't gone with his driving pace, I'd be demolished and surely lost two or three minutes. In part, we drove into the dunes so quickly that we took off in the compression and landed into the steep. This is somehow a new way of driving dunes So either I'm too old or not used to speed anymore, but I think it was the fastest stage I've ever driven. Branch is from South Africa and you just realize that he is an extremely good sand driver and technician, he also drove the Motocross World Cup. It was also very technical for riding today, this was less about risk or courage - in the dunes you really have to be able to ride a motorcycle. Taking the motorcycle with me, making it easy, drifting across the dune,... At the end I could catch up for a few more minutes and with space five and three minutes behind I'm really satisfied, especially it was a really cool day! But I'm also pretty tired and I'm already really looking forward to the rest day. I hope I could take you a bit to today's stage


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Who wrote this?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 08:38:40 pm
Was that an awesome day today!!! , also scenic it was super impressive. We drove almost 90 % in the sand and dunes. The front drivers had a huge pace on today and opened up extremely quickly. At kilometer 120, navigation became very challenging and I only drove as fast as I estimated that I could navigate this section without mistakes. From the refueling so kilometer 150 I then rode together with Ross Branch, .....

That is awesome! Ross has clearly got it to run with the top dogs  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 08:39:11 pm
Who wrote this?

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Matthias Walkner 

https://web.facebook.com/MatthiasWalknerMX
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 08, 2021, 08:59:34 pm
With Saudi being a Muslim country, do you recon these blokes are allowed to crack a cold one after a stage?

Saudi is a dry country, no alcohol allowed.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 08, 2021, 09:05:51 pm
With Saudi being a Muslim country, do you recon these blokes are allowed to crack a cold one after a stage?

Saudi is a dry country, no alcohol allowed.

I guarantee the Russian truck drivers have vodka anti-freeze stashed in the cabs  >:D  In the old Dakar's every rider could have a beer or glass of wine with their meal in the canteen - after all this is a French affaire. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Skaiidawg on January 08, 2021, 09:11:11 pm
@ 1:50 Brian is using two levers. One is obviously the gear, but what the other for?

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Hand brake maybe, look @1:09 you can also see a second lever with a blue knob
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 09:15:28 pm
Tough climb right at the end...

https://story.snapchat.com/s/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYnfYz7l2yWtA4AXbikOBgAXbikN-XAO1OAA/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 08, 2021, 09:26:56 pm
@ 1:50 Brian is using two levers. One is obviously the gear, but what the other for?

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Hand brake maybe, look @1:09 you can also see a second lever with a blue knob

I don't think so, he pushes it forward and then back and then pulls is further back, That doesn't look like the action of a handbrake, even an electronic one.

I am guessing it may be a sort of traction affecting thing? Diff limited/locker?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 08, 2021, 09:35:29 pm
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 09, 2021, 08:00:59 am
@ 1:50 Brian is using two levers. One is obviously the gear, but what the other for?

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Hand brake maybe, look @1:09 you can also see a second lever with a blue knob

I don't think so, he pushes it forward and then back and then pulls is further back, That doesn't look like the action of a handbrake, even an electronic one.

I am guessing it may be a sort of traction affecting thing? Diff limited/locker?
Could it be brake bias?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 09, 2021, 08:36:45 am
Too bad Rest Day is a Saturday. Rest up anyway as the race only starts tomorrow, consider all so far a prologue warm up. There is going to be some more good riding and even some great riding still to come  ;).  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JustBendIt on January 09, 2021, 08:46:52 am
@ 1:50 Brian is using two levers. One is obviously the gear, but what the other for?

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Hand brake maybe, look @1:09 you can also see a second lever with a blue knob

I don't think so, he pushes it forward and then back and then pulls is further back, That doesn't look like the action of a handbrake, even an electronic one.

I am guessing it may be a sort of traction affecting thing? Diff limited/locker?
Could it be brake bias?


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I think it is a hydraulic handbrake ...pushing it forward brakes the front wheels only and pulling it backwards brakes the rear wheels only

We will have to ask Brian ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 06:05:31 am
You ready for a marathon tracking session?  >:D

GO ROSS!.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 10, 2021, 06:14:55 am
Can't wait for this week's action!

It's been a fantastic race thus far, still anyone's for the taking..


You ready for a marathon tracking session?  >:D

GO ROSS!.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Indeed! He's shown enough consistency, maturity and skill to put him in contention..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 06:29:41 am
The field is heading to Sakakah after a short rest day. A 453 km special with 100 km kilometres of up-and-down racing almost without interruption awaits. Stony plateaus and winding tracks are among the other challenges of the day. Competitors will have to be on high alert to avoid blunders and mechanicals.


453km SS  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 10, 2021, 06:45:45 am
With less than 7 minutes separating the top 7 riders, it is extremly tight.

From position # 8 - 13 there's another group bunched up tightly.

Going to come down to consistency and avoiding mistakes, but me thinks the final podium will be made up by these riders currently  sitting n the top 7 spots..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 06:59:58 am
It's a GO!  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Tracking showing BB through WP1 already but Ross back some and pointing North  ??? Hopefully just tracking glitch.  Hope not stuck.  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 07:10:49 am
Ross obviously stationary! Sanders through WP1 ahead.  :-[
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 10, 2021, 07:18:10 am
Ross crashed and damaged his bike. He is ok

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 07:18:31 am
Ross Branch crashes and damages his bike
The second biker to start the special, Ross Branch, crashed around km 31. While the Yamaha rider emerged unscathed, the same cannot be said for his motorbike, and he is now trying to fix it. A serious blow for the brand with the tuning forks' top rider in the general standings!


FORK! :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 07:27:02 am
Looks like he is on the move. Lost lots of time but lets hope he is still in the race.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 10, 2021, 07:33:50 am
Looks like he is on the move. Lost lots of time but lets hope he is still in the race.
Yes, let's hope so. Will be difficult with this being a marathon stage and spares

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 07:36:25 am
Just approaching WP1. I wonder what is damaged?  Through in 13 spot.  :'(    Lets see if he can pull a Two Pies out his pocket.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 10, 2021, 07:39:57 am
Aai! Wat 'n gatslag! Just glad Ross is not hurt.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 07:49:15 am
Aai! Wat 'n gatslag! Just glad Ross is not hurt.

Ja lost about 35 minutes - an extra mountain to climb.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 08:09:19 am
Shit Rossi, not what we wanted to see -hopefully it's really only his bike.  He's so bloody tough he'll get up and still finish top 10 with broken ribs.

There is no way he will be able to claw back that 30min he already lost so there goes that possible podium and smell of alien status  :pot:

My other main man has always been ole Toby Pies so he'll be my man from now on with those 2 x Honda riders (Benavides & Cornejo) and De Soultrait seen as the main threat to him.

 Fokkit Rossi, you were so super amped.  Same as with Henk & Brett - on the brink of greatness and then tripping over a stupid ditch!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 08:25:43 am
Oh yes, and may I add - Toby busy pulling that much needed gap to his main rivals while ahead of them on the track O0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 08:50:35 am
Eish Ross,  provisional P17 but flying James Kalahari Madala  going good as well , nice interview on raceday.tv on u tube with him

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8En7q_KVqyE&t=10s
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 10, 2021, 09:15:06 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 09:37:37 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o

Ross has actually stabilized the gap now so maybe that steel putty is holding up well on the radiator.  Unfortunately he'll still not make podium, gonna battle to make Top 10, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 09:48:16 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o

Ross has actually stabilized the gap now so maybe that steel putty is holding up well on the radiator.  Unfortunately he'll still not make podium, gonna battle to make Top 10, but it is what it is.

He can still push for a Top 10 which was his goal.  :thumleft:  Should not battle.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 09:58:59 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o

Ross has actually stabilized the gap now so maybe that steel putty is holding up well on the radiator.  Unfortunately he'll still not make podium, gonna battle to make Top 10, but it is what it is.

He can still push for a Top 10 which was his goal.  :thumleft:  Should not battle.

If a number of guys in front of him retires, yes, otherwise I can't see it happening.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 10:13:39 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o

Ross has actually stabilized the gap now so maybe that steel putty is holding up well on the radiator.  Unfortunately he'll still not make podium, gonna battle to make Top 10, but it is what it is.

He can still push for a Top 10 which was his goal.  :thumleft:  Should not battle.

If a number of guys in front of him retires, yes, otherwise I can't see it happening.

He is probably about 15th presently and many of those ahead will buckle to the Branch  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 10:20:25 am
Now I am confused, James showed him as finishing to the last PK on Friday, but couldn't see him in the Rankings? Misha's site didn't show him after WP4 on Friday, I honestly thought he was out.  :o

Ross has actually stabilized the gap now so maybe that steel putty is holding up well on the radiator.  Unfortunately he'll still not make podium, gonna battle to make Top 10, but it is what it is.

He can still push for a Top 10 which was his goal.  :thumleft:  Should not battle.

If a number of guys in front of him retires, yes, otherwise I can't see it happening.

He is probably about 15th presently and many of those ahead will buckle to the Branch  :thumleft:

Just love your positivity and I'm with you   :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 10:53:32 am
Ross's fall
https://fb.watch/2WutGDFMdw/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 11:03:26 am
 :o :'(.     Those desert grass lurkers are a bugger. Got properly out of shape and head planted as well. I see in addition to radiator his chain is off and jammed - always a fuckup.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 11:34:18 am
:o :'(.     Those desert grass lurkers are a bugger. Got properly out of shape and head planted as well. I see in addition to radiator his chain is off and jammed - always a fuckup.

Interesting comment coming from AdvR that it is a typical older HRC design type accident - suspension fully compressed and bottomed out ... bucking bronco ... pilot ejected. Honda seem to have sorted it ... Yammy?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: uaedesertfox on January 10, 2021, 11:41:52 am
He was slightly right of the previous track, the front missed the camel grass and the rear hit and also went out to the left in the air....
At speed, very dangerous and I fractured my pelvis in exactly that way..

If you don't hit with the front and lift the bike .. the back will do this... game over !!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 11:53:42 am
He was slightly right of the previous track, the front missed the camel grass and the rear hit and also went out to the left in the air....
At speed, very dangerous and I fractured my pelvis in exactly that way..

If you don't hit with the front and lift the bike .. the back will do this... game over !!

Does not help to have the chopper right there either I am sure. Guess they get used to it, especially front runners.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2021, 12:00:08 pm
Interesting comment coming from AdvR that it is a typical older HRC design type accident - suspension fully compressed and bottomed out ... bucking bronco ... pilot ejected. Honda seem to have sorted it ... Yammy?

The suspension is too soft on those Yamaha's....  :pot: :pot: :pot:
T7 Ahem...  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 12:06:31 pm
Interesting comment coming from AdvR that it is a typical older HRC design type accident - suspension fully compressed and bottomed out ... bucking bronco ... pilot ejected. Honda seem to have sorted it ... Yammy?

The suspension is too soft on those Yamaha's....  :pot: :pot: :pot:
T7 Ahem...  ;)

Although KYB really are right up there with the best so personally would not blame the pogos.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2021, 12:17:49 pm
Interesting comment coming from AdvR that it is a typical older HRC design type accident - suspension fully compressed and bottomed out ... bucking bronco ... pilot ejected. Honda seem to have sorted it ... Yammy?

The suspension is too soft on those Yamaha's....  :pot: :pot: :pot:
T7 Ahem...  ;)

Although KYB really are right up there with the best so personally would not blame the pogos.
True, just throwing a chirp for that T7 thread...  ;D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2021, 12:19:13 pm
I don’t think the suspension has anything to do with it. As someone said if your front misses the lurker and you’re moving with pace with your weight slightly forward, which he is at that moment, you’re done

Doesn’t matter what you’re riding

And that chain is almost impossible to move when that happens

Heart breaking
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 12:50:47 pm
I don’t think the suspension has anything to do with it. As someone said if your front misses the lurker and you’re moving with pace with your weight slightly forward, which he is at that moment, you’re done

Doesn’t matter what you’re riding

And that chain is almost impossible to move when that happens

Heart breaking

Agree. And often one needs to loosen the swingarm to get the chain out - real ballache. Anyway the show goes on and I am sure will fight his way into the top 10 given half a chance. I am sure he does not want the top bunk tonight! Must be sore as well.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on January 10, 2021, 01:09:50 pm
Ross's fall
https://fb.watch/2WutGDFMdw/

Cries in his buff a little bit, then sorts out the problem and carries on :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 10, 2021, 01:19:59 pm
Ross's fall
https://fb.watch/2WutGDFMdw/
Cries in his buff a little bit, then sorts out the problem and carries on :ricky:
Yes. Respect!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 01:24:20 pm
Ross's fall
https://fb.watch/2WutGDFMdw/

Cries in his buff a little bit, then sorts out the problem and carries on :ricky:

Life.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 10, 2021, 01:27:00 pm
I feel incredibly sorry for Branch, like really sorry.

There was a very good chance of making podium which would have COMPLETELY changed his life. And he’s proven that he isn’t just a one-stage wonder kind of rider.

Really sucks for the lad, damn


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 01:34:55 pm
Eish
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CJ3AcrqhNVI/?igshid=amzeefa28fni

But up to provisional 14th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 10, 2021, 01:38:16 pm
Meanwhile back on the possible podium, TP has once again placed himself in an incredibly good position.

Looks like he’s gotten that yo-yo steady, biding his tome for the last day and just staying in the pack so as not to open a stage.

He bas the skill to be able to rely on the last day to get into the final lead.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2021, 02:25:41 pm
Ross is almost still the fastest Yamaha

Not a great showing for the team - Ross was doing well for them

As mentioned it’s a bit of a master class from TP
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 02:45:26 pm
Ross is almost still the fastest Yamaha

Not a great showing for the team - Ross was doing well for them

As mentioned it’s a bit of a master class from TP

He is the fastest Yamaha - just that he was off the pegs for 35 odd minutes having got loose and rung his bell. I think he will fight his way back up the standings. That's racing and the guys on the Yamaha's I think need to push harder to stay in contention and it can take its toll. While it is a factory team now they need to do more specific rally R&D I feel.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 10, 2021, 03:07:47 pm
I think these guys (bikes and cars) are hammering really hard... Current list of mechanical issue for each competitor from what I can see halfway in marathon:

1) Ross Branch - Chain jam, possible radiator issue (heard some hissing in that video), and other things possibly since he mentioned something

2) Toby Price - Rear wheel coming apart, strapped with cable ties. (worst is, this was a brand new tyre coming into this stage...)

3) Brian & Taye - Right rear wish-link is broken.

4) Peterhansel - Rear right suspension arm issue. Seems like wishbone/wish-link severely strapped to keep it together.

I will update if I spot more. Post if you guys now about other things.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 03:27:04 pm
Pretty normal collateral damage me thinks  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 03:38:54 pm
Waz wrong with Toby's wheel?  And Peterhansel? :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 03:55:27 pm
Waz wrong with Toby's wheel?  And Peterhansel? :o

He just refers to "an underlaying issue with the bike" ... wonder if the tyre was cut, mousse collapsing, bead broken??? Bit of a faarkup on the Marathon Stage and I am pretty sure they cannot trade wheels (we would have tyre boys instead of water boys  :biggrin:).
Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 10, 2021, 04:03:44 pm
Waz wrong with Toby's wheel?  And Peterhansel? :o

He just refers to "an underlaying issue with the bike" ... wonder if the tyre was cut, mousse collapsing, bead broken??? Bit of a faarkup on the Marathon Stage and I am pretty sure they cannot trade wheels (we would have tyre boys instead of water boys  :biggrin:).
Shite that could be a big problem.

Anyone got any more deets on this underlying/tyre issue?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 10, 2021, 04:09:46 pm
Waz wrong with Toby's wheel?  And Peterhansel? :o

He just refers to "an underlaying issue with the bike" ... wonder if the tyre was cut, mousse collapsing, bead broken??? Bit of a faarkup on the Marathon Stage and I am pretty sure they cannot trade wheels (we would have tyre boys instead of water boys  :biggrin:).
If you are allowed 6 tyres what does the rules say on a team mate giving you a wheel ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 04:12:55 pm
Fixing damage caused by bleeding chain
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:17:28 pm
 :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:18:54 pm
 ::)  Stuff two pies on there and good to go all the way tomorrow to Neom!  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 04:20:30 pm
Ross is almost still the fastest Yamaha

Not a great showing for the team - Ross was doing well for them

As mentioned it’s a bit of a master class from TP

He is the fastest Yamaha - just that he was off the pegs for 35 odd minutes having got loose and rung his bell. I think he will fight his way back up the standings. That's racing and the guys on the Yamaha's I think need to push harder to stay in contention and it can take its toll. While it is a factory team now they need to do more specific rally R&D I feel.

Agree, they need to flog that bike suspension on harsh rally's like Roof and with TP type hooligan rider as well
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:20:49 pm
Looks like a side wall cut - ad hoc patch over it with cable ties holding it ... Toby Ties  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:25:49 pm
Ross on his day and two big offs. https://twitter.com/i/status/1348239626079789056

And his tyre looks really fresh ... esp compared to Toby  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 10, 2021, 04:26:32 pm
:o
Fek that’s not nothing.

That tyre would be fine for me at my 100%
 riding, but fine for Toby’s riding whilst maintaining his gap... Don’t know

I can’t see why another contender can’t supply a component at their cost to the race, exactly what team mates are for.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 04:26:32 pm
Now with twitter video
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1348239626079789056?s=20
Double or quits :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:28:16 pm
Now with twitter video
https://twitter.com/dakar/status/1348239626079789056?s=20
Double or quits :lol8:

posted above.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 10, 2021, 04:31:08 pm
James seems to be running very slowly losing big time to the other tail enders.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 10, 2021, 04:43:53 pm
G.R.I.T


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 04:46:56 pm
James seems to be running very slowly losing big time to the other tail enders.

Snowball is now a sandball ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 10, 2021, 05:32:18 pm
No matter the outcome, I would like to meet James afterwards, he made the second to last PK, his stubbornness is EPIC,  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 10, 2021, 05:47:28 pm
James is the bullet......soldiering on like a Trojan

You can do it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 10, 2021, 05:48:46 pm
Cornejo flying under the radar again - Good to see.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 10, 2021, 06:23:42 pm
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 10, 2021, 06:32:21 pm
If Brabec makes up 5 min everyday he is still in with a chance
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JustBendIt on January 10, 2021, 06:49:01 pm
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?

4 punctures today

They only carry 3 spare wheels so had to wait for another spare wheel from a teammate

He’s had at least 10 punctures so far  ... lost a lot of time and could have been in top 5 without these problems
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 10, 2021, 07:01:18 pm
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?

4 punctures today

They only carry 3 spare wheels so had to wait for another spare wheel from a teammate

He’s had at least 10 punctures so far  ... lost a lot of time and could have been in top 5 without these problems
Can they replace those tyres for tomorrow's stage?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ChristoffGS on January 10, 2021, 07:01:28 pm
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?

4 punctures today

They only carry 3 spare wheels so had to wait for another spare wheel from a teammate

He’s had at least 10 punctures so far  ... lost a lot of time and could have been in top 5 without these problems
Why is Nasser not having the same problems? Is Giniel just having bad luck, running different pressures or maybe not being careful enough?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 07:01:54 pm
If Brabec makes up 5 min everyday he is still in with a chance

He your favourite?  ;)

Personally think Benavides quite a bit quicker and due for a win..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2021, 07:26:54 pm
I’m going to be interested to see Ross hopefully push for a stage win or two

And I’m pulling for Nacho now - it’s him versus KTM tomorrow
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 10, 2021, 07:30:31 pm
Ross is almost still the fastest Yamaha

Not a great showing for the team - Ross was doing well for them

As mentioned it’s a bit of a master class from TP

He is the fastest Yamaha - just that he was off the pegs for 35 odd minutes having got loose and rung his bell. I think he will fight his way back up the standings. That's racing and the guys on the Yamaha's I think need to push harder to stay in contention and it can take its toll. While it is a factory team now they need to do more specific rally R&D I feel.
agree - they need to up their game on the bikes a little bit -

Ross looked like the only man pushing the limit in that team as well!


AVB has been a bit of a let down for me
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 10, 2021, 07:33:14 pm
Sad news about one of the original Dakar legends  :'(

https://dirtbikerider.com/news/enduro/hubert-auriol-has-died/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 10, 2021, 07:43:46 pm
I’m going to be interested to see Ross hopefully push for a stage win or two

And I’m pulling for Nacho now - it’s him versus KTM tomorrow

I am with you on that, but really thinking Barreda is not out of it yet :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ace Venture on January 10, 2021, 07:59:12 pm
James is the bullet......soldiering on like a Trojan

You can do it.
He's a machine, still going!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 10, 2021, 08:00:45 pm
According to the tracker James took a wrong turn. Turned around. Hope he makes it

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 10, 2021, 08:07:06 pm
According to the tracker James took a wrong turn. Turned around. Hope he makes it

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He may have a night in the desert :-\
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 08:10:05 pm
Sad news about one of the original Dakar legends  :'(

https://dirtbikerider.com/news/enduro/hubert-auriol-has-died/
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Sad :-\
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 08:11:36 pm
According to the tracker James took a wrong turn. Turned around. Hope he makes it

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He may have a night in the desert :-\

64km to go to ASS...

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tribes on January 10, 2021, 08:16:07 pm
Did they they changed the rules this year, because in previous years they were allowed to swope wheels between riders on the marathon stages.?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 08:32:02 pm
Did they they changed the rules this year, because in previous years they were allowed to swope wheels between riders on the marathon stages.?

Changed. Not allowed now. Only 6 rears and dedicated to the rider. Also only have 10 minutes to look over the bike before it goes to parc ferme for the night so no time for horse trading wheels etc.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tribes on January 10, 2021, 08:39:00 pm
Did they they changed the rules this year, because in previous years they were allowed to swope wheels between riders on the marathon stages.?

Changed. Not allowed now. Only 6 rears and dedicated to the rider. Also only have 10 minutes to look over the bike before it goes to parc ferme for the night so no time for horse trading wheels etc.

OK thanks.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 09:02:29 pm
Toby Ten Ties  O0. That tyre is properly fucked.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ3-zNmn75A/?igshid=rzx2ylnuvnir


https://fb.watch/2W-mvxHmif/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 10, 2021, 09:25:17 pm
Come on James!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 10, 2021, 09:41:57 pm
Toby Ten Ties  O0. That tyre is properly fucked.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ3-zNmn75A/?igshid=rzx2ylnuvnir


https://fb.watch/2W-mvxHmif/

Have to agree.  Might hold up slightly in sand but rocks will destroy it at the speeds they're going. 

Let me just not have a favourite anymore  :3some:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 09:44:32 pm
Toby Ten Ties  O0. That tyre is properly fucked.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ3-zNmn75A/?igshid=rzx2ylnuvnir


https://fb.watch/2W-mvxHmif/

Have to agree.  Might hold up slightly in sand but rocks will destroy it at the speeds they're going. 

Let me just not have a favourite anymore  :3some:

Tomorrow is 40% sand, 50% soil/gravel and supposedly no rocks  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 10, 2021, 09:45:52 pm
I guess if they had more time than just 10 minutes they could have tried to stitch it with wire or smaller cable ties. That band aid is not going to hold very well I fear.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 10, 2021, 10:00:05 pm
James at ASS
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Juicy on January 10, 2021, 10:33:09 pm
Let’s hope Toby’s tyre lasts more than 30kms!!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 05:55:10 am
Hoping that:

# Toby's tyre stays in shape
# Brabec opens the track fast and without navigational errors that will cost Nacho behind him time
# Ross's bad luck is over and he makes his way up the leaderboard again
# Nacho keeps on surprising everyone (including his team)

Quotes:

Nacho - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/ignacio-cornejo-i-think-weve-finished-a-pretty-solid-first-week/170236
Toby - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/toby-price-the-pace-was-crazy/170220
Barreda - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/joan-barreda-im-really-proud-of-how-this-week-went/170249


Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 06:34:00 am
Hoping that:

# Toby's tyre stays in shape
# Brabec opens the track fast and without navigational errors that will cost Nacho behind him time
# Ross's bad luck is over and he makes his way up the leaderboard again
# Nacho keeps on surprising everyone (including his team)

Quotes:

Nacho - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/ignacio-cornejo-i-think-weve-finished-a-pretty-solid-first-week/170236
Toby - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/toby-price-the-pace-was-crazy/170220
Barreda - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/joan-barreda-im-really-proud-of-how-this-week-went/170249


Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

They still open, but the standings for the first 10 or 20 get a time bonus of say 10 minutes for the winner on a sliding scale. :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 06:38:55 am
Hoping that:

# Toby's tyre stays in shape
# Brabec opens the track fast and without navigational errors that will cost Nacho behind him time
# Ross's bad luck is over and he makes his way up the leaderboard again
# Nacho keeps on surprising everyone (including his team)

Quotes:

Nacho - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/ignacio-cornejo-i-think-weve-finished-a-pretty-solid-first-week/170236
Toby - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/toby-price-the-pace-was-crazy/170220
Barreda - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/joan-barreda-im-really-proud-of-how-this-week-went/170249


Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

They still open, but the standings for the first 10 or 20 get a time bonus of say 10 minutes for the winner on a sliding scale. :sip:

Hi Welsh
Interesting idea - Do you agree with the way it is done now? Or do you also think it is counter productive in terms of any aspirations for stage wins?
It must be very frustrating to ride in the front one day, only to be be kicked back the next without any fault of your own?
There is almost zero reward for stage wins - whatever time you made up will be lost threefold the next day
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 11, 2021, 06:40:09 am
Let the bikes go after the cars on alternative days so the tracks of the other bikes aren't so clear to follow? The car tracks will be there but they're all over the place.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 06:40:33 am
Hoping that:

# Toby's tyre stays in shape
# Brabec opens the track fast and without navigational errors that will cost Nacho behind him time
# Ross's bad luck is over and he makes his way up the leaderboard again
# Nacho keeps on surprising everyone (including his team)

Quotes:

Nacho - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/ignacio-cornejo-i-think-weve-finished-a-pretty-solid-first-week/170236
Toby - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/toby-price-the-pace-was-crazy/170220
Barreda - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/joan-barreda-im-really-proud-of-how-this-week-went/170249


Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

They still open, but the standings for the first 10 or 20 get a time bonus of say 10 minutes for the winner on a sliding scale. :sip:

So you win the stgae, you have to open, but you start at time - 10 minutes. etc
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 06:41:58 am
Let the bikes go after the cars on alternative days so the tracks of the other bikes aren't so clear to follow? The car tracks will be there but they're all over the place.

I like this
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 06:42:09 am
Hoping that:

# Toby's tyre stays in shape
# Brabec opens the track fast and without navigational errors that will cost Nacho behind him time
# Ross's bad luck is over and he makes his way up the leaderboard again
# Nacho keeps on surprising everyone (including his team)

Quotes:

Nacho - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/ignacio-cornejo-i-think-weve-finished-a-pretty-solid-first-week/170236
Toby - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/toby-price-the-pace-was-crazy/170220
Barreda - https://www.dakar.com/en/news/2021/stage-6/bike/joan-barreda-im-really-proud-of-how-this-week-went/170249


Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

They still open, but the standings for the first 10 or 20 get a time bonus of say 10 minutes for the winner on a sliding scale. :sip:

Hi Welsh
Interesting idea - Do you agree with the way it is done now? Or do you also think it is counter productive in terms of any aspirations for stage wins?
It must be very frustrating to ride in the front one day, only to be be kicked back the next without any fault of your own?

Current system doesn't work, it is massively negative to win a stage. :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 11, 2021, 06:43:09 am
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?

4 punctures today

They only carry 3 spare wheels so had to wait for another spare wheel from a teammate

He’s had at least 10 punctures so far  ... lost a lot of time and could have been in top 5 without these problems
Can they replace those tyres for tomorrow's stage?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 06:45:22 am
Let the bikes go after the cars on alternative days so the tracks of the other bikes aren't so clear to follow? The car tracks will be there but they're all over the place.

I like this

You will have fast bikes in amongst tail end cars, not a good safety option.  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 06:46:47 am
Let the bikes go after the cars on alternative days so the tracks of the other bikes aren't so clear to follow? The car tracks will be there but they're all over the place.

I like this

You will have fast bikes in amongst tail end cars, not a good safety option.  :peepwall:

Unfortunately true
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: geopat on January 11, 2021, 07:08:45 am
What about batch starting the riders in groups of 5 every 5 minutes this keeps the top guys together to nav it out and allowed the second group only 5 min advantage before they also have to be on the ball
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 11, 2021, 07:10:30 am
Bunch them up - i.e. let the first 5 start together, then next 5 in smaller interval (e.g. within minute).

Alternatively, shorten the time differences at the start let's say to a minute or even 30 seconds. I think currently first 10 start in 3 minute intervals and later in 2 minutes (and at the end probably two at the same time). That way there is much less time to lose against followers.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 07:11:31 am
What about batch starting the riders in groups of 5 every 5 minutes this keeps the top guys together to nav it out and allowed the second group only 5 min advantage before they also have to be on the ball

You will probably have a situation where the guys will fight for the 5th spot in each batch up to the last few kms.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 07:15:30 am
Interesting ideas all round. I have massive admiration for these guys and it is sad to see them all saying it is not worth it to go for a stage win. I believe the organisers will have to re-think the current rules. It would be interesting to hear who agrees with the way in which it is done now.
Purist thinking vs Fairness?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2021, 07:20:39 am
James at ASS
Where did you see this? If i update both Mischas tracker and the Dakar one,  i don't see Alex at the ASS?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 11, 2021, 07:22:10 am
James at ASS
Where did you see this? If i update both Mischas tracker and the Dakar one,  i don't see Alex at the ASS?

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He is definitely in

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 07:28:20 am
James at ASS
Where did you see this? If i update both Mischas tracker and the Dakar one,  i don't see Alex at the ASS?

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He is definitely in

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He is on the starting list.  8)

Conserving his stuffed tyre Two Pies posts the fastest WP1 time so far.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 11, 2021, 07:48:30 am
James at ASS
Where did you see this? If i update both Mischas tracker and the Dakar one,  i don't see Alex at the ASS?

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He is definitely in

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The Map option on the Dakar site definitely the best as it updates constantly.  Just follow there if you're not sure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goodtoogo on January 11, 2021, 08:04:13 am
Let the stage winner nominate his own start time or choose some other rider as the pathfinder.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 11, 2021, 08:08:48 am
I simply cannot see Tobes going at race pace for 100km+ and guess he's decided that if he's gonna go out it will be whilst leading the Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 11, 2021, 08:09:34 am
I reckon reverse grid for the first 5-10 riders based on the previous days results.

Shit luck if you 10th that day.

Im sure there will some changes come next year to mitigate what we are witnessing to some extent.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 08:11:31 am
Let the stage winner nominate his own start time or choose some other rider as the pathfinder.

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Someone else mentioned this too.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 08:11:42 am
08:36 Price is already very quick
At the first time check point, Toby Price occupies first place provisionally. The Australian leads Ricky Brabec, who has had to open the way for his rivals, general standings leader Nacho Cornejo and Xavier De Soultrait. However, other protagonists who started later have not yet reached the first WP, such as Joan Barreda or de Kevin Benavides.
Branch provisional P15

09:05 Barreda pulls out all the stops
Joan Barreda, who suffered tyre damage yesterday, has climbed into second position at the first time check point, just 12’’ behind Toby Price. The Spaniard has moved in front of his two Honda team-mates and with Avec Xavier De Soultrait plus Kevin Benavides, six riders are all within the same 30 second bracket

credit Johan SADG



early days but sure Ross will pull into a top10 at least maybe even ....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 08:36:37 am
Let the stage winner nominate his own start time or choose some other rider as the pathfinder.

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Someone else mentioned this too.

Yes this is a good suggestion and one I also had thought of. Almost like the top 5 pulling straws - adds an extra element.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 08:38:28 am
Clearly Toby Two Ties has decided to just poke the cat today! Flying  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 08:46:39 am
09:16 Brabec loses ground
Ricky Brabec, opening the way today, has lost 1’40’’ to Joan Barreda at the second intermediate point. Despite DIY repairs on a damaged rear tyre, Toby Price is second, just 21’’ behind his Spanish rival. Nacho Cornejo is not much further behind either, trailing the stage leader by just 32’’.

Ross up to 10
All provisional off course credit SADG
Real sad with passing Hubert Auriol- was quite a character a few years back- quick walk down memory lane
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 08:51:07 am
Yes a sad loss to rallye - a legend and pioneer of the sport.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2021, 08:54:22 am
Bloody hell. I go offline for two days and the world goes to shit. What the hell man.

Ross has crash, ffs man, and he's been having such a good dakar. In true Ross fashion he fixes his bike and keeps going like a champ.
Then to add insult to injury, Brian & Taye have car trouble, or is that trouble with keeping the wheel on their car, but also in character made it home to race another day.
Aaaaand then I see Two Pies has to cable tie his tyre together. Good luck for him.

I spend two days ignoring the internet and the Dakar and this is what happens. Can't leave this lot unsupervised for a minute.


RIP Hubert Auriol, what a legend  :salut:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 11, 2021, 08:56:03 am
Sanders putting together a hell of a debut.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 09:22:19 am
And James through WP1  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 11, 2021, 09:58:25 am
Is Toby standing still?  :eek7:

Only tracker that's playing up - thank fuck!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 10:27:46 am
Top 3 within 30 seconds!
After 225 km, Toby Price still possesses a lead of ten seconds over Nacho Cornejo. Joan Barreda is ready to pounce, just 24’’ behind. Kevin Benavides, Matthias Walkner and Sam Sunderland have not yet managed to bridge the gap and join in the battle, whilst Ricky Brabec, yesterday’s winner, has lost more than three minutes and is only on second ahead of Xavier De Soultrait.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: I&horse on January 11, 2021, 10:31:41 am
I wonder if TB balanced that wheel because those cable ties should throw the balance out quite far at the speeds they do.

Re the new roadbook rules, this was introduced because of map specialists finding the route the day before AFAIK, if they could find a way to stop that then they could hand out the RB the night before again??
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 10:46:36 am
Another Yamaha engine gone (Franco Caimi)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 11, 2021, 10:48:54 am
Another Yamaha engine gone (Cami)

Saw that. Very concerning.
Didn't they have engine issues last year as well?

Ross's chain guide issue yesterday was also alarming. Yamaha have had chain guide issues on the YZ/WR models since 2007.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 10:49:04 am
Broken engine for Caimi

The Yamaha team have suffered another blow! After Ross Branch yesterday, who fell and lost valuable time, now Franco Caimi has come up against misfortune. The Argentinean’s engine has given out after 282 km and he is not able to repair it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 11, 2021, 10:50:50 am
Can someone please explain to me what is going on with Giniel?

4 punctures today

They only carry 3 spare wheels so had to wait for another spare wheel from a teammate

He’s had at least 10 punctures so far  ... lost a lot of time and could have been in top 5 without these problems
Why is Nasser not having the same problems? Is Giniel just having bad luck, running different pressures or maybe not being careful enough?

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me thinks giniel has tyre /puncture problems every year ..may be interesting puncture stats for him... my memory seems to remember every year masses of punctures
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 10:54:43 am
First bikes in
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 10:57:30 am
Broken engine for Caimi

The Yamaha team have suffered another blow! After Ross Branch yesterday, who fell and lost valuable time, now Franco Caimi has come up against misfortune. The Argentinean’s engine has given out after 282 km and he is not able to repair it.

Electrical  ???
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 10:57:55 am
 Xavier de Soultrait is out of the race
The Husqvarna rider, who commenced the day in 4th position in the general standings, has suffered a nasty fall after 267 km of the special. The medical team have come to his aid and airlifted the rider, who had not lost consciousness, to the hospital in Tabuk for X-Rays.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 11:01:18 am
Xavier de Soultrait is out of the race
The Husqvarna rider, who commenced the day in 4th position in the general standings, has suffered a nasty fall after 267 km of the special. The medical team have come to his aid and airlifted the rider, who had not lost consciousness, to the hospital in Tabuk for X-Rays.

Shit- hope his ok
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 11:16:26 am
Soultrain had stopped earlier to fix a cut front tyre as well - wonder if it lead to the accident?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 11:17:10 am
Dawid Knights stage 7- quite liked this laid back character

https://youtu.be/5dzIKcvS320
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 11:20:08 am
Another Yamaha engine gone (Franco Caimi)

 Really- what did i miss--- Short was dirty fuel--
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 11, 2021, 11:20:36 am
Can’t believe TP’s tyre lasted the stage at that pace. Big Gap relatively speaking after 3rd so for now it seems Sunderland and Proce on the podium is quite likely.

Cornejo flew to the top under the radar nicely.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 11, 2021, 11:22:47 am
Dawid Knights stage 7- quite liked this laid back character

https://youtu.be/5dzIKcvS320
Having followed his career wuite a bit over the years I can tell you the moment his bike lets him down when he is close to being in contention for a good result, that laid-back calm demeanour quickly evaporates.

Has a bad history with sponsors.

But I’m also liking his attitude and vibe for the moment and personally dig the guy.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 11, 2021, 11:33:36 am
Can’t believe TP’s tyre lasted the stage at that pace. Big Gap relatively speaking after 3rd so for now it seems Sunderland and Proce on the podium is quite likely.

Cornejo flew to the top under the radar nicely.


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I am also impressed that the tire survived at that pace.

Nacho owning it

Speaking about Soultrains possible cut tire I think these marathon stages may become a bit dangerous. If you’re at the front like TP you can’t back out to play it safe - with or without a good tire you have to push the limit . Look what happened to Ricky Brabec when he tried to slow the pace down and play it calm for one day
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 11:38:53 am
Ross in at ASS - sitting provisionally13th at present overall.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 11:45:36 am
12:12 First victory of the year for Cornejo
It is now the turn of Nacho Cornejo to enjoy a stage win this year. The Chilean, who started in second position, has completed the marathon stage with a lead of a little more than one minute over Toby Price and, as a result, now boasts the same gap over his Australian rival in the general standings, making this a good day for the Honda rider!

credit SA dakar

well earned- nice chap always in shadows with big Brabec and BB around

hope he is on yamaha's radar
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 11:46:46 am
Why Yamaha?  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 11, 2021, 11:47:12 am
Closing a 50min gap relative to those top guys is unfortunately largely impossible.

Damn shame, he’s proven me wrong and I’m very glad about it. Although he’s lost out on the chance to make a big change to his life ito sponsors, the important players would still likely be just as impressed by him. He sure is an asset to the nail-biting suspense that pays off for the sponsors.

I’m seeing the gaps and positions stabilise a bit which means they’re evolving a bit wrt the navigation changes and their subsequent strategies.

Interested to see Brabec vs Sanders in the days ahead.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 11:56:50 am
Poor Caimi leaving his bust Yamaha


As mentioned plenty looking at TP's tyre- 6 tyre rule- what were they thinking -travelling at up to 160km p/h plus on shitty road- if someone has to get injured with a tire failure - groot kak
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 11:57:45 am
 :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 11, 2021, 12:02:36 pm
Can he change the tyre after todays stage ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 11, 2021, 12:03:43 pm
:o

wow, respect
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 11, 2021, 12:04:39 pm
Can he change the tyre after todays stage ?

Still lots of life in it  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 11, 2021, 12:05:01 pm
Can he change the tyre after todays stage ?
Yup

If he has another tyre that’s in better condition.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 12:07:16 pm
Update from Pierre Cherpin who fell heavily yesterday morning around 10 am.
Unconscious, He was taken very quickly by helicopter to Sakaka hospital for surgery.
Florence Pommerie, an emergency doctor in charge of the Tango teams composed of doctors and nurses specializing in the Dakar, is in very close contact with Magali.
Here's the info Magali wants to share:
′′ Good evening,
Thank you for your messages of support. I know y'all worried. I'm sending you the latest:
Pierre just got out of surgery (18 am French time), they evacuated the hematoma in the back of the head.
His constants are good and he was taken care of quickly.
Since the hematoma is consequently, doctors can't rule on the pressure on the brain. The next 24-48 hrs will let us know more.
He's in ICU and closely monitoring that brain edema doesn't form date
De Magali: I am Peter tonight and HE and I sincerely thank you for all your warm messages that help us and give us strength and courage!
Thank you thank you..
No more news since his surgery went out for the better.
I pity them there when Pierre wakes up because he who doesn't like the medical atmosphere and hates being taken care of, he's going to be served!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 12:12:22 pm

Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

Rally has always had this format of the order of lead-out is dependent on the previous days times. It was the mapmen who made it unfair or gamed the system would be the most charitable way of putting it.

It's only now with a return to a more fair equitable way of preventing mapmen influencing strategy and advantage have we returned to the old ways of doing things.

If you do an analysis of each stage there’s a few things that jump out.

1.   In every single stage thus far, the leader/s lost the most time between start and WP1. It also seems that in almost every stage, they’ve dragged the next 4 or 5 guys off track too. After that, for the most part it all stabilises with little change in stage positions with leading not seeming to make a huge difference.
2.   The order of people through the waypoints stay remarkably stable. Unless there is a crash or a horrible navigation error, people tend to finish within 2 or 3 positions relative to where there started in the queue.
3.   The general standings except for the leader is quite stable.
4.   The time lost by the leader of the previous day has on average shown a trend of getting smaller with each stage;
Brabec   1097
Toby Price   1920
Barreda   1489
Toby Price   882
Barreda   1151
Benavides   569
Barreda   537
Brabec   170

So it all points to this;

It can’t be that every single stage has it’s hardest navigation between the start and the first waypoint. I am hazarding a guess that there’s psychological pressure at play for the leader and the first few following are also “infected” with it and aren’t paying as close attention as they should. Those who are good navigators and quick don’t seem to be that disadvantaged de Soutrait, Corneao, Sundeland, Branch . Those who are very quick don’t seem to navigate as accurately and pay a price the next day – Price, Barreda, Brabec.

It also seems that as the times are getting smaller, there’s a good learning curve going on regards reading the race and roadbook.

So before you want to change things because it seems unfair, it turns out that the reason for the Yo-yoing may not be because leading is not as big a disadvantage as not being a good navigator in the first place.

Racing and racers by it and their very nature are going to find the weak links or advantages and exploit them. I think that any change to the system will just shuffle the deck and the racers will find that systems' advantages to exploit.

I am fine the way it is at the moment.

The only people in the race complaining about yo-yo’ing are the 3 I mentioned. Maybe they should look within themselves first.


Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 12:13:37 pm
Why Yamaha?  :o

compared to KTM and Honda who are kitted out with some top rally riders of the world Yamaha has two- (swing some of that moto gp budget this way)

penny for your thoughts
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Grunder on January 11, 2021, 12:26:42 pm

Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

The only people in the race complaining about yo-yo’ing are the 3 I mentioned. Maybe they should look within themselves first.

To be fair Sam also complained   :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 12:29:14 pm

Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

The only people in the race complaining about yo-yo’ing are the 3 I mentioned. Maybe they should look within themselves first.

To be fair Sam also complained   :peepwall:

Yes, but he's a Pom, they all whine. :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 11, 2021, 12:30:17 pm

Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

Rally has always had this format of the order of lead-out is dependent on the previous days times. It was the mapmen who made it unfair or gamed the system would be the most charitable way of putting it.

It's only now with a return to a more fair equitable way of preventing mapmen influencing strategy and advantage have we returned to the old ways of doing things.

If you do an analysis of each stage there’s a few things that jump out.

1.   In every single stage thus far, the leader/s lost the most time between start and WP1. It also seems that in almost every stage, they’ve dragged the next 4 or 5 guys off track too. After that, for the most part it all stabilises with little change in stage positions with leading not seeming to make a huge difference.
2.   The order of people through the waypoints stay remarkably stable. Unless there is a crash or a horrible navigation error, people tend to finish within 2 or 3 positions relative to where there started in the queue.
3.   The general standings except for the leader is quite stable.
4.   The time lost by the leader of the previous day has on average shown a trend of getting smaller with each stage;
Brabec   1097
Toby Price   1920
Barreda   1489
Toby Price   882
Barreda   1151
Benavides   569
Barreda   537
Brabec   170

So it all points to this;

It can’t be that every single stage has it’s hardest navigation between the start and the first waypoint. I am hazarding a guess that there’s psychological pressure at play for the leader and the first few following are also “infected” with it and aren’t paying as close attention as they should. Those who are good navigators and quick don’t seem to be that disadvantaged de Soutrait, Corneao, Sundeland, Branch . Those who are very quick don’t seem to navigate as accurately and pay a price the next day – Price, Barreda, Brabec.

It also seems that as the times are getting smaller, there’s a good learning curve going on regards reading the race and roadbook.

So before you want to change things because it seems unfair, it turns out that the reason for the Yo-yoing may not be because leading is not as big a disadvantage as not being a good navigator in the first place.

Racing and racers by it and their very nature are going to find the weak links or advantages and exploit them. I think that any change to the system will just shuffle the deck and the racers will find that systems advantages to exploit.

I am fine the way it is at the moment.

The only people in the race complaining about yo-yo’ing are the 3 I mentioned. Maybe they should look within themselves first.

Not entirely true - Sunderland, Ross, Xavier etc also complained about it being against full out racing - Check the videos on the Dakar website.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: cndavel on January 11, 2021, 12:48:33 pm
This used to be quite a big issue in the WRC as well, where the stage winner starts first in the next stage and ends up doing  the "road cleaning" for the other drivers, almost always losing time in the process.



Just a question that I asked Kamanya the other day: Does everyone here think it is fair to let the stage winner open under the new roadbook rules? It seems as if the Dakar this year has turned into a chess game and no one (except Barreda and Toby) wants to win stages anymore.
So far, Benavides, Toby, Sunderland,Ross, Barreda, Brabec and Xavier has spoken about it, and that to me takes away a little bit of the "gees" of Dakar.
Kamanya asked me the other day what other alternative there would be, and I could not answer him.
It just does not make sense to me to penalize the guy who wins the stage to such an extent that he knows he will be down at least 10 minutes in the General Standings the next day?
Any ideas?

Rally has always had this format of the order of lead-out is dependent on the previous days times. It was the mapmen who made it unfair or gamed the system would be the most charitable way of putting it.

........

I am fine the way it is at the moment.

The only people in the race complaining about yo-yo’ing are the 3 I mentioned. Maybe they should look within themselves first.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 01:04:57 pm
And James is having a much better day, through 6 WP and 3 to go.  :thumleft:

I think James missed the next WP judging by the map.  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 11, 2021, 01:23:17 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Mooch on January 11, 2021, 01:56:34 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

Sounds like its worth a watch...  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 02:02:31 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

Sounds like its worth a watch...  :thumleft:

He's a good man. Great story.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BOER! on January 11, 2021, 02:04:37 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

I believe that would be Linden Poskit you are referring to. He had a great serious of videos to watch. Used to love his input.

I wondered why he wasnt riding this year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 02:07:10 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

Sounds like its worth a watch...  :thumleft:


He's a good man. Great story.

He is such a nice guy- loved this cup of tea in the middle of nerens video-https://www.facebook.com/LyndonPoskitt/videos/yorkshire-tea/954983781302335/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 11, 2021, 02:19:49 pm
A short prodfile on Hubert Auriol.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 02:42:52 pm
from Monster Yamaha's site
Monster Energy Yamaha Rally Team’s Ross Branch and Adrien Van Beveren have safely finished stage eight of the 2021 Dakar Rally – leg two of the event’s marathon stage. Completing yet another physically and mentally challenging stage, earning 13th and 14th respectively, both Ross and Adrien now focus on the all-important final days of the competition. Frustratingly for Franco Caimi, the 2021 Dakar Rally is now over following a technical issue close to the finish of stage eight.



The eighth stage of the 2021 Dakar Rally formed the second and final leg of the event’s gruelling marathon stage. Heading south west to Neom on the Red Sea coast, the stage opened with technical, rocky terrain before following sandy tracks in the second half where accurate navigation was needed to ensure a strong finish on the 375-kilometre special. Upon completion and after 828 kilometres of racing with no technical support, Ross and Adrien were reunited with their team in the bivouac where mechanics will now prepare the bikes for tomorrow’s stage nine.



Overcoming a difficult stage seven, where he lost valuable time, Ross Branch focused on a trouble-free ride to safely complete the second leg of the event’s marathon stage. Opting to ride at a conservative pace throughout stage eight, Branch crossed the finish as the 11th fastest rider to successfully reach the bivouac in Neom. Now, the team’s mechanics will repair the crash damage on his Yamaha WR450F Rally machine while Ross will concentrate on delivering a positive end to this year’s rally.



Adrien Van Beveren continues to post consistent results at the 2021 Dakar Rally. Knowing the importance of successfully completing the marathon stage unscathed, the Frenchman ended the day in 13th and looks forward to the upcoming stages, which are set to take place on terrain more to his liking. Currently 14th in the provisional standings, Adrien is poised and ready to break into the overall top 10 during the days ahead.



Franco Caimi’s participation in this year’s rally came to an unfortunate end on stage eight where a technical issue, close to the finish, ruled the Argentine out of the event.



Stage nine of the 2021 Dakar Rally is a loop stage beginning in Neom on the sandy shore of the Red Sea. After a brief time on smooth sand, the 465-kilometre special takes riders inland on sandy tracks that form much of the stage’s terrain. Near its conclusion, competitors will need to accurately navigate their way through multiple rocky canyons to secure a strong result.



Ross Branch – Monster Energy Yamaha Rally Team

"I’m happy to have completed the marathon stage as it’s been a tough couple of days. Today’s stage started off really rocky, so I was cautious through there but once the stage opened out I got into a good rhythm. Arriving here in Neom in one piece is good and we can now prepare the bike for tomorrow and I’m excited for the next stage."



Adrien Van Beveren – Monster Energy Yamaha Rally Team

"Nothing special today for me, just consistent riding and then in the second half of the stage I was able to push more and felt more like myself. It was important to complete the marathon stage without any issues which I did, so I’m happy. The bike is good and tomorrow’s stage looks like the terrain will be similar to the end of today’s stage, so I’m looking forward to it."
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 02:46:17 pm
bleddie slow internet :lamer:
some nice pics from ADV site - Dawid Knight and tyres that only be used by tough guys like TP and those Ec hooligans
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on January 11, 2021, 02:50:13 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

I believe that would be Linden Poskit you are referring to. He had a great serious of videos to watch. Used to love his input.

I wondered why he wasnt riding this year.
He did Africa Eco last year, it ran the same time as Dakar but was set aside this year due to Covid, afaik Lyndon was putting to gether quite a team for 2021.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 02:50:48 pm
James is at the second last WP and the last WP doesn't seem to be working, so probably see him in ASS next
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Vis Arend on January 11, 2021, 03:17:12 pm
if anyone a bit bored ..go to u tube n search for ..  MALIE MOTO  THE FORGOOTEN DAKAR STORY ... from 2017 dakar (where 2 x stages were csancelleddue to weather if u remember) .... some interesting footage bout this ou riding round the world , pops into dakar to ride it mlie  moto class..like averages 4 hours of sleep a day very interesting..some different footage..worth watching but 1 hour long

Thanks for that.   :thumleft:

Just watched it, great vid and what an experience.   :deal: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 03:18:02 pm
Sunderlands comment is telling, "the pace is so far beyond that, if you had to ride to look after anything, you'd be 1 hour behind".

It's also cool to see everyone helping each other.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 03:37:27 pm
Top 10;

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on January 11, 2021, 03:51:20 pm
Seems the Aussies use the same hairdresser?!!! ;) :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 03:56:57 pm
Sunderlands comment is telling, "the pace is so far beyond that, if you had to ride to look after anything, you'd be 1 hour behind".

It's also cool to see everyone helping each other.



 well said- nice to see camaraderie-  Sunderland has a serious receding hairline or what ;) and wont need Prices barbershop next year, Daniel Sanders  looks like a toughie and a good investment for KTM 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 04:01:33 pm
James is at the second last WP and the last WP doesn't seem to be working, so probably see him in ASS next

Help me here to compute

at 15h30 James is at P75 at PK336 on a 709km stage which includes a 375 special


and at 16h18 James P75 @PK 336 arrives at ASS
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 04:40:34 pm
James is in the ASS.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 04:55:39 pm
James is in the ASS.  :thumleft:

Jeez he's killing me!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 08:01:44 pm
Confirming James P72 and Ross with lucky P13
Overall after Stage 8 Bikes Official Results
P01 #004 🇨🇱 J.I.C. Florimo 32:00:11
P02 #003 🇦🇺 T. Price +00:01:06
P03 #005 🇬🇧 S. Sunderland +00:05:57
P04  #047 🇦🇷 K. Benavides +00:12:58 00:02:00
P05 #088 🇪🇸 J. Barreda Bort +00:16:05
P13 #018 🇧🇼 R. Branch +00:50:15 00:01:00
P72 #117 🇧🇼 J. Alexander +45:15:22 05:42:00
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 08:02:58 pm
Stone last of those still in, HERO.  :biggrin: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 11, 2021, 08:14:49 pm
Stone last of those still in, HERO.  :biggrin: :thumleft:

The reason why he started so late was that his phone was flat and the alarm didn't go off. He was a ball hair from being time barred!

Jeez! Talk about doing it the hard way?!!!

https://fb.watch/2Yk5nyd08V/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 11, 2021, 08:18:04 pm
 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: I wondered about that late start  :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 11, 2021, 08:28:48 pm
James is in the ASS.  :thumleft:

Jeez he's killing me!
At last, an early night

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 11, 2021, 10:03:44 pm
 Bart vd Velden   with James
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ6tVL2nX2r/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 12, 2021, 06:12:22 am
Honda occupies 4 of the top 6 overall positions after 8 stages!

Honda really established a solid & consistant team. Any one of their 4 riders capable of taking the honours. Nacho is just striding along with ease and looking very good. Brabec slowly but surely playing out his strategy and climbing the ladder to the top. JBB still in the mix and always a threat. And Benavides right up there too.

KTM team doing relatively well too. TP is a legend and right up there in contention. Sunderland very consistent this year and in with a big chance. Sanders is one to keep an eye on for the future, being his first big rally, the boytjie has got some talent. Walkner also having a good steady race, apart from his delay on day 1..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 06:45:08 am
Honda occupies 4 of the top 6 overall positions after 8 stages!

Honda really established a solid & consistant team. Any one of their 4 riders capable of taking the honours. Nacho is just striding along with ease and looking very good. Brabec slowly but surely playing out his strategy and climbing the ladder to the top. JBB still in the mix and always a threat. And Benavides right up there too.

KTM team doing relatively well too. TP is a legend and right up there in contention. Sunderland very consistent this year and in with a big chance. Sanders is one to keep an eye on for the future, being his first big rally, the boytjie has got some talent. Walkner also having a good steady race, apart from his delay on day 1..

Agree100% pay off from using top riders for both  Honda and Ktm- Sanders is good find- looking at his wheel fixing last night again i can see some mullet in that hairstyle as well- real aussie :biggrin:

Ross interview
https://www.facebook.com/aimee.crewebrown/posts/10164535985545623?__
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 07:05:37 am
A stroll by the seaside…
The first kilometres of the day’s stage will run along the coast of the Red Sea, then head towards quicker tracks and sandy tracks, before returning to Neom. Even if the backdrop of this special appears idyllic, it will nevertheless be one of the most demanding on the 43rd edition of the Dakar. The competitors will have to be wary of navigational difficulties, but also mechanical problems and punctures.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 12, 2021, 07:36:59 am
Things are hotting up, top contenders all hungry for victory.
Nice video of TP`s toys, but I dont smaak that pick ups hanging on the ground though.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 07:40:57 am
He must have had some technical tire genius advise him to shave the knob off above the cut. Makes sense as that knob now can't transmit any force to the tire in that local area. That takes some balls. It's a drastic "Hail Mary!" action but clearly works. I'll have to file that one away in the memory banks for if ever I am on mousses and at the front end of the Dakar in the marathon stage. :biggrin:

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 07:51:19 am
Honda occupies 4 of the top 6 overall positions after 8 stages!

Honda really established a solid & consistant team. Any one of their 4 riders capable of taking the honours. Nacho is just striding along with ease and looking very good. Brabec slowly but surely playing out his strategy and climbing the ladder to the top. JBB still in the mix and always a threat. And Benavides right up there too.

KTM team doing relatively well too. TP is a legend and right up there in contention. Sunderland very consistent this year and in with a big chance. Sanders is one to keep an eye on for the future, being his first big rally, the boytjie has got some talent. Walkner also having a good steady race, apart from his delay on day 1..

I think Ruben Fahria (Team manager) has made a massive difference to the Honda Dakar team. I think he has finished second on Dakar once and understands what is needed. Nacho in my view was a great find for the team. The longer the races and the more sand and dunes, the better he will do. He struggles in the rocky sections because of his height and weight, as the bike moves a lot more under him compared to most of the other riders. And yes, he is a fantastic navigator.
Never ever count the Orange duo out though. Price is a demon.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 08:51:56 am
Something is wrong, James is through WP1 and is in front of about 7 other riders?  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rexc-w on January 12, 2021, 08:52:33 am
A question to the rallye experienced members out there.  The navigation for the front runners are crucial. They all need to be very good.
What about mid-field and back markers. It is my perception that they can mostly follow the tracks and stay more or less up to date with the road book. Slower speed allows them more time to observe and react to danger/caution areas just following the terrain.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LDV on January 12, 2021, 08:54:13 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 12, 2021, 08:54:26 am
Ross is out - broken engine

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 08:54:45 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 08:56:42 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

Thats it, my dakar is over
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LDV on January 12, 2021, 08:59:43 am
Price also stuck on previous waypont
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 08:59:57 am
F@K  :dousing:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 12, 2021, 09:00:06 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

Thats it, my dakar is over

I'm gutted for him.  Watching him weep on the marathon stage had me with a lump in my throat.  No this.... 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:08:37 am
A question to the rallye experienced members out there.  The navigation for the front runners are crucial. They all need to be very good.
What about mid-field and back markers. It is my perception that they can mostly follow the tracks and stay more or less up to date with the road book. Slower speed allows them more time to observe and react to danger/caution areas just following the terrain.

Big discussion earlier in the thread regarding this, Rex. Different opinions regarding the fairness of this.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:09:27 am
Price also stuck on previous waypont

They did say navigation would be tricky today
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 12, 2021, 09:12:32 am
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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 12, 2021, 09:13:08 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

 :'( :dousing:

What the hell is Yamaha doing wrong...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 12, 2021, 09:15:13 am
Poor Ross....he really wanted to proof to Yamaha that they made the right choice in signing him up  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 09:15:33 am
Honda could potentially get a 123 this year . . .

Brabec is out of contention it seems.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 09:15:40 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 09:18:02 am
Cornejo could quite possibly take it flag to flag today! :thumleft:

He really deserves to win putting on a spectacular show!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 09:18:20 am
Honda could potentially get a 123 this year . . .

Brabec is out of contention it seems.
:thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 12, 2021, 09:19:10 am
10:11 Price falls
Toby Price has crashed after 155 km and has injured his left arm and shoulder. It’s a major blow for the Australian who was only one minute behind Nacho Cornejo in the general standings. Indeed, the Spaniard has moved back into the lead on the stage, after 157 km

F&ck!!!!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LDV on January 12, 2021, 09:19:29 am
Price is out. Crashed
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 09:19:44 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min

Yip he fell  Think they will get the time back!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 09:20:15 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

 :'( :dousing:

What the hell is Yamaha doing wrong...
Agree very disappointing for them, they were one of the pioneers of the Dakar then had a great run with Peterhansel of late their showing has been poor. And it's the bike not the riders.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:21:07 am
Price falls
Toby Price has crashed after 155 km and has injured his left arm and shoulder. It’s a major blow for the Australian who was only one minute behind Nacho Cornejo in the general standings. Indeed, the Spaniard has moved back into the lead on the stage, after 157 km.

Sorry - I see it has been posted - Sidebets he will be in the hunt back soon
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 12, 2021, 09:21:19 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min

Yip he fell  Think they will get the time back!!!!
Definitely, and its also a great strategy.

You don’t have to lead the stage and get to gun it for most of the stage without having to navigate as much. And in the end you’ll get the time back.

Nice little incentive to stop.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 12, 2021, 09:22:15 am
Poor Ross....he really wanted to proof to Yamaha that they made the right choice in signing him up  :'(

i think he more than proved the wiseness of their choice..maybe the mechanics need to be replaced or the designers..but as for ROSS HES THE MAN
saying the above makes me feel bad as at beginning of thread i remember typing that yamaha have not been reliable for the last how many years (since the 2 wheel drive at least)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 09:26:30 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 09:28:53 am
Poor Ross....he really wanted to proof to Yamaha that they made the right choice in signing him up  :'(

i think he more than proved the wiseness of their choice..maybe the mechanics need to be replaced or the designers..but as for ROSS HES THE MAN
saying the above makes me feel bad as at beginning of thread i remember typing that yamaha have not been reliable for the last how many years (since the 2 wheel drive at least)

Similar failures happened to Honda not that long ago until they took the leap to invest properly.  If Yamaha want to win they must invest properly in R&D and a a big push - same as MotoGP. It is a certain kind of Jap stubbornness - forget the Shermans and Austrians
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 09:29:31 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:

Put him on orange and he will win.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 12, 2021, 09:32:40 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:

Put him on orange and he will win.

Too many "stars" on orange, he will automatically be relegated to watercarrier.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:34:32 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min

Yip he fell  Think they will get the time back!!!!
Definitely, and its also a great strategy.

You don’t have to lead the stage and get to gun it for most of the stage without having to navigate as much. And in the end you’ll get the time back.

Nice little incentive to stop.


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Seems as if the fall was worse than I thought?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 09:34:33 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:

Put him on orange and he will win.

Too many "stars" on orange, he will automatically be relegated to watercarrier.
Yes but I wonder how long before TP will move to 4 wheels ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 12, 2021, 09:35:45 am
Phok, it's all going to shite  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 09:36:07 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:

Put him on orange and he will win.

Too many "stars" on orange, he will automatically be relegated to watercarrier.

When did you last see a water carrier? Jnr Mullet is hardly bringing on the oranges at half time.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 12, 2021, 09:37:51 am
Phok, it's all going to shite  :o
Well, James might get a top 10 with all these withdrawals

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:40:35 am
Price's name out of the Virtual General Standings?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: uaedesertfox on January 12, 2021, 09:45:01 am
This is true Dakar...

Ride well and at your pace, Nav well (even when you open the stage)... preserve your mental condition and focus ... look after the bike ... fail any of those and we see what we are now witnessing

Got to finish to win and got to get to the finish to finish.

Desertfox stuff
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 09:46:50 am
Price airlifted to Tabuk
Toby Price has been taken to hospital in Tabuk for X-rays and has therefore been forced to exit the race prematurely due to his accident.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 09:47:09 am
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

 :'( :dousing:

What the hell is Yamaha doing wrong...

The downward spiral started after they were bought  by  Toyota 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 12, 2021, 09:49:03 am
This is true Dakar...

Ride well and at your pace, Nav well (even when you open the stage)... preserve your mental condition and focus ... look after the bike ... fail any of those and we see what we are now witnessing

Got to finish to win and got to get to the finish to finish.

Desertfox stuff

Truth.
One could see Price was very gatvol the last 2 days.
Also seems the pressure is getting to most... no off bike shenanigans like last year and some big name fast guys crashing hard.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 12, 2021, 09:49:37 am
But luckily its Ross we talking about here!

He will be back with a bang next year and hopefully his steed can keep up! :deal:

Put him on orange and he will win.

squirrel depressed seems to have been moving up the standings in the boxes the last few stages

Too many "stars" on orange, he will automatically be relegated to watercarrier.
Yes but I wonder how long before TP will move to 4 wheels ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 12, 2021, 09:50:14 am
I feel sorry for Toby even though I want to see Hondas on the podium
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: soviarc on January 12, 2021, 09:53:02 am
Will Sunderland get the time back that he lost stopping for Toby?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 09:53:46 am
A question to the rallye experienced members out there.  The navigation for the front runners are crucial. They all need to be very good.
What about mid-field and back markers. It is my perception that they can mostly follow the tracks and stay more or less up to date with the road book. Slower speed allows them more time to observe and react to danger/caution areas just following the terrain.

@Rexc-w  Yep. but...

However, in the desert, even with over a hundred other competitors, it's often that for long periods you don't see evidence of another soul. Also, very regularly, even though many have passed before you, believe it or not, it's not always clear at a fork or a turn which way everyone went. Without keeping an eye on the roadbook, you can easily find yourself travelling down a road for many kilometres before you realise you're waaaay off the route. It's even worse at night, a time that is unfamiliar to the front guys but is a reality for backmarkers.

James Alexander in this Dakar attests to this, on stage 5 or 6 I think, when he took a wrong turn on the Liaison and ended up riding for an extra hour and getting hyperthermia.

On one of the rally's I did, I got a puncture early in the day and then botched the repair, twice! I lost over an hour and was by a long way dead last. I knew that I needed to stay sharp even though 70 guys had gone before me. For the rest of the day I only passed 6 or 7 guys. However once I got to the bivouac I was very surprised to hear that 27 guys were still behind me? The stories I heard later of some very unwelcome sight seeing along with some pretty hairy stories of being desperately lost and out of water and low on fuel.

Rally and navigation are not separable, even to the back markers.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 09:56:58 am
Will Sunderland get the time back that he lost stopping for Toby?

Think him and Brabeck will get time back! 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 12, 2021, 09:57:22 am
Will Sunderland get the time back that he lost stopping for Toby?
Yes, if you stop to help a fellow rider with a medical issue, you receive time back
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 09:57:28 am
Will Sunderland get the time back that he lost stopping for Toby?

For sure.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rexc-w on January 12, 2021, 09:57:56 am
A question to the rallye experienced members out there.  The navigation for the front runners are crucial. They all need to be very good.
What about mid-field and back markers. It is my perception that they can mostly follow the tracks and stay more or less up to date with the road book. Slower speed allows them more time to observe and react to danger/caution areas just following the terrain.

Big discussion earlier in the thread regarding this, Rex. Different opinions regarding the fairness of this.

No Hardy that discussion was about contenders. I am asking about lets say the last 50% of the field.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 12, 2021, 10:07:25 am
I'm wondering if it isn't time for them to rethink the limitation on the bikes to 450's, especially if the Dakar is going to continue being hosted in Saudi?
To expect a 450 to perform super strong in the dunes and then still be able to sit flat taps at 180km/h on long sections is asking way to much from those motors IMHO. I think it was Sam who also mentioned he was beginning to have mechanical sympathy for his bike. If you're in any case going to impose speed restrictions for safety purposes then why not revert back to a 650cc limit? That way the bikes will be more reliable and the riders can at least get their full value worth on the entry fee.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 12, 2021, 10:10:24 am
Jose Cornejo is having a stunning stage. At the front and trading first place with KB every now and then. Well done on navigation! Still on his own at the front.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 12, 2021, 10:14:10 am
I'm wondering if it isn't time for them to rethink the limitation on the bikes to 450's, especially if the Dakar is going to continue being hosted in Saudi?
To expect a 450 to perform super strong in the dunes and then still be able to sit flat taps at 180km/h on long sections is asking way to much from those motors IMHO. I think it was Sam who also mentioned he was beginning to have mechanical sympathy for his bike. If you're in any case going to impose speed restrictions for safety purposes then why not revert back to a 650cc limit? That way the bikes will be more reliable and the riders can at least get their full value worth on the entry fee.

I have to agree with this.  If the speed is limited then 650/700 would be a way better option ito the stresses on the motor.  Even on my 800 at 160kmh on the freeway (If my wife ask's - I never go over 110kmh) I'm feeling sorry for my motor.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 10:15:26 am
I'm wondering if it isn't time for them to rethink the limitation on the bikes to 450's, especially if the Dakar is going to continue being hosted in Saudi?
To expect a 450 to perform super strong in the dunes and then still be able to sit flat taps at 180km/h on long sections is asking way to much from those motors IMHO. I think it was Sam who also mentioned he was beginning to have mechanical sympathy for his bike. If you're in any case going to impose speed restrictions for safety purposes then why not revert back to a 650cc limit? That way the bikes will be more reliable and the riders can at least get their full value worth on the entry fee.

Come on! You think racers are going to go, "Great! I can now be more sympathetic to my bike because I have another 200cc's and so can be a little more gentle"?

Racers by their nature are going to wank that throttle and ride at a limit dictated by their skills and drive and not by the machinery. It's the factory's job to provide a machine that won't break, or will but long after the rider has found their limits.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 10:17:08 am
A question to the rallye experienced members out there.  The navigation for the front runners are crucial. They all need to be very good.
What about mid-field and back markers. It is my perception that they can mostly follow the tracks and stay more or less up to date with the road book. Slower speed allows them more time to observe and react to danger/caution areas just following the terrain.

Big discussion earlier in the thread regarding this, Rex. Different opinions regarding the fairness of this.

No Hardy that discussion was about contenders. I am asking about lets say the last 50% of the field.

@Rexc-w I just answered you. See 3 posts above this one
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rexc-w on January 12, 2021, 10:20:47 am
Yes cool thank you Andrew.  Everyone needs to stay sharp focused an know where you are all the time.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 12, 2021, 10:36:19 am
I'm wondering if it isn't time for them to rethink the limitation on the bikes to 450's, especially if the Dakar is going to continue being hosted in Saudi?
To expect a 450 to perform super strong in the dunes and then still be able to sit flat taps at 180km/h on long sections is asking way to much from those motors IMHO. I think it was Sam who also mentioned he was beginning to have mechanical sympathy for his bike. If you're in any case going to impose speed restrictions for safety purposes then why not revert back to a 650cc limit? That way the bikes will be more reliable and the riders can at least get their full value worth on the entry fee.

Come on! You think racers are going to go, "Great! I can now be more sympathetic to my bike because I have another 200cc's and so can be a little more gentle"?

Racers by their nature are going to wank that throttle and ride at a limit dictated by their skills and drive and not by the machinery. It's the factory's job to provide a machine that won't break, or will but long after the rider has found their limits.

Agree with this.
This is a test of man and machine.
Internal combustion tech is not a new science.
Smaller engines, bigger power, better efficiency and longevity.
The goal posts cant be moved closer.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 10:44:31 am
If they make it 650 / 700 cc what will race ? KTM 690's and Yamaha T7's, all there is. Those bikes not even in the same class.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Mooch on January 12, 2021, 10:46:41 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min

Yip he fell  Think they will get the time back!!!!
Definitely, and its also a great strategy.

You don’t have to lead the stage and get to gun it for most of the stage without having to navigate as much. And in the end you’ll get the time back.

Nice little incentive to stop.


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Good point!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 10:47:16 am
The bikes should start breaking now!!! Al of them !!  Yamaha just leads the way!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 10:52:38 am
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Think he took a tumble  Brabeck and Sunderland spent time there ! They only got going now and lost about 20 min

Yip he fell  Think they will get the time back!!!!
Definitely, and its also a great strategy.

You don’t have to lead the stage and get to gun it for most of the stage without having to navigate as much. And in the end you’ll get the time back.

Nice little incentive to stop.


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Good point!!

Rather cynical in my view.  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 12, 2021, 11:02:10 am
I'm wondering if it isn't time for them to rethink the limitation on the bikes to 450's, especially if the Dakar is going to continue being hosted in Saudi?
To expect a 450 to perform super strong in the dunes and then still be able to sit flat taps at 180km/h on long sections is asking way to much from those motors IMHO. I think it was Sam who also mentioned he was beginning to have mechanical sympathy for his bike. If you're in any case going to impose speed restrictions for safety purposes then why not revert back to a 650cc limit? That way the bikes will be more reliable and the riders can at least get their full value worth on the entry fee.

Come on! You think racers are going to go, "Great! I can now be more sympathetic to my bike because I have another 200cc's and so can be a little more gentle"?

Racers by their nature are going to wank that throttle and ride at a limit dictated by their skills and drive and not by the machinery. It's the factory's job to provide a machine that won't break, or will but long after the rider has found their limits.

No, of course not, racers are animals by nature but they're getting penalized for exceeding max speed limits so there's an incentive to keep it in the "safety" zone. How quickly they get to 180 will obviously change but that risk is lower, surely? There's only so much that can be extracted from a 450 motor and they're finding that limit now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 11:07:37 am
If they make it 650 / 700 cc what will race ? KTM 690's and Yamaha T7's, all there is. Those bikes not even in the same class.

Do you remember the year that the 690's ran with the 450's? The course is laid out for the nimble 450's the 690's were too big and cumbersome to compete.  :sip:

The attrition rate is no higher than previous Dakar's probably less in my view.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 12, 2021, 11:14:26 am
What happened to the rule of changing an engine and take a 20min penalty?

Yamaha surely must have known that Ross' engine may not last, so why not swop it?

Rather take a penalty and get to the end, or is it an ego issue

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 12, 2021, 11:17:45 am
I see Nacho and KB are taking two very different routes.  Will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 11:19:20 am
If they make it 650 / 700 cc what will race ? KTM 690's and Yamaha T7's, all there is. Those bikes not even in the same class.

Do you remember the year that the 690's ran with the 450's? The course is laid out for the nimble 450's the 690's were too big and cumbersome to compete.  :sip:

The attrition rate is no higher than previous Dakar's probably less in my view.  8)
Yes if anything a 450 makes it easier than trying to wrestle a 750  / 900 through the dunes
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 12, 2021, 11:23:51 am
If they make it 650 / 700 cc what will race ? KTM 690's and Yamaha T7's, all there is. Those bikes not even in the same class.

Do you remember the year that the 690's ran with the 450's? The course is laid out for the nimble 450's the 690's were too big and cumbersome to compete.  :sip:

The attrition rate is no higher than previous Dakar's probably less in my view.  8)

Also keep in mind the elite 450's didn't start life as production bikes.
Same for the older bigger 660's.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 12, 2021, 11:34:16 am
Me thinks Nacho has made the nav error.  KB now caught up as Nacho seemed to be stationary for some time.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on January 12, 2021, 11:41:14 am
12:37 Luciano Benavides crashes
Luciano Benavides, who was in third place after 239 km, has crashed after 242 km. The Argentinean has injured his shoulder and has been airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in Tabuk
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 12, 2021, 11:43:10 am
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No, of course not, racers are animals by nature but they're getting penalized for exceeding max speed limits so there's an incentive to keep it in the "safety" zone. How quickly they get to 180 will obviously change but that risk is lower, surely? There's only so much that can be extracted from a 450 motor and they're finding that limit now.

Why do you say that? Is there high attrition rate this year? Doesn't seem so at all - but admittedly I'm not up to speed. It seems only Yamaha's have problem - nothing dramatic (at least engine wise) with KTM, Husky's and Hondas. Maybe Yamaha should finally enter 21st century and put 6 speed gearbox on their 450, like all the competitors did...

From where I sit 450s are more than capable of all of this. It's been few years now when most of the teams run the whole event on one engine, while at the introduction of 450s most were changing engines half way through.

What makes you think that 450 engines are not up to this kind of job?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 11:52:38 am
12:37 Luciano Benavides crashes
Luciano Benavides, who was in third place after 239 km, has crashed after 242 km. The Argentinean has injured his shoulder and has been airlifted by helicopter to the hospital in Tabuk

Hectic-what a day
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LeonDude on January 12, 2021, 11:56:23 am
They're having a tough day at the office.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 12, 2021, 12:16:52 pm
What a rollercoaster guys.

Still so cut up about TP!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 12, 2021, 12:22:38 pm
From AdvRider

heinzkini Bad news today's tage! Stage 8 is a bad day for us: Toby Price crashed badly and broke his shoulder, both wrists and foot..! Luciano Benavides also crashed and broke his arm!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 12, 2021, 12:26:30 pm
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No, of course not, racers are animals by nature but they're getting penalized for exceeding max speed limits so there's an incentive to keep it in the "safety" zone. How quickly they get to 180 will obviously change but that risk is lower, surely? There's only so much that can be extracted from a 450 motor and they're finding that limit now.

Why do you say that? Is there high attrition rate this year? Doesn't seem so at all - but admittedly I'm not up to speed. It seems only Yamaha's have problem - nothing dramatic (at least engine wise) with KTM, Husky's and Hondas. Maybe Yamaha should finally enter 21st century and put 6 speed gearbox on their 450, like all the competitors did...

From where I sit 450s are more than capable of all of this. It's been few years now when most of the teams run the whole event on one engine, while at the introduction of 450s most were changing engines half way through.

What makes you think that 450 engines are not up to this kind of job?

Based on the Yamaha's dying and the comments from the top contenders, including Toby & Sam. But like I said, that's just my opinion and the fact I've raced a 450, abeit old ones and not Dakar blue printed motors. But yeah, maybe it's just Yamaha that's sucking the hind tit, let's wait and see what the rest of the race delivers  :thumleft: Maybe it's time for @2StrokeDan to send Yamaha Europe an email  ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 12, 2021, 12:33:19 pm
Any more details around Toby or Kevin's crashes in terms of how it happenned?

Seems unreal that TP could blast the stage yesterday on that tyre, without incident, only to crash out today.

Gutted for him!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 12, 2021, 12:34:18 pm
From AdvRider

heinzkini Bad news today's tage! Stage 8 is a bad day for us: Toby Price crashed badly and broke his shoulder, both wrists and foot..! Luciano Benavides also crashed and broke his arm!

Ouch, that's some nasty injuries  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 12:38:59 pm
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No, of course not, racers are animals by nature but they're getting penalized for exceeding max speed limits so there's an incentive to keep it in the "safety" zone. How quickly they get to 180 will obviously change but that risk is lower, surely? There's only so much that can be extracted from a 450 motor and they're finding that limit now.

Why do you say that? Is there high attrition rate this year? Doesn't seem so at all - but admittedly I'm not up to speed. It seems only Yamaha's have problem - nothing dramatic (at least engine wise) with KTM, Husky's and Hondas. Maybe Yamaha should finally enter 21st century and put 6 speed gearbox on their 450, like all the competitors did...

From where I sit 450s are more than capable of all of this. It's been few years now when most of the teams run the whole event on one engine, while at the introduction of 450s most were changing engines half way through.

What makes you think that 450 engines are not up to this kind of job?

I agree. The current crop of 450 engines are amazing jewels of engineering. Last year not one KTM engine across the entire field failed. But here's a little bit of insight from a guy on ADVrider who has a Dakar under his belt and not only knows alot about the progression of the the Rally bike from the big litre class monsters to the 450's, but owns them too...

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2021-saudi-dakar-official-coverage-thread-covid-resistant-f5irehose.1481846/page-161#post-41579819

Quote from: neduro, post: 41579819, member: 3524

 I've been lucky to ride and/or own a few generations of RFR, including 660, 690, and the first two generations of 450. Since it is the rest day and we have nothing better to do, I'll share my thoughts.

The 660 is a rough and ready hot-rod. The motor is a bit brutal, the build quality is spotty to be generous, and they are an absolute blast to ride. It is loud, coarse, mean, and a bit unforgiving.

The 690 is a huge step forward in refinement. Lots of bespoke parts, much tidier packaging, and at least the first version (a 654cc displacement) was more mellow. That doesn't mean it was slow, just it didn't have a huge step in power as it came on song. The defining characteristic is stability- it will hold a line where an enduro bike is wagging all around.

The first gen 450 is a 690 with a smaller motor slotted in. I imagined that would be a step back, but that isn't actually my experience as a racebike. The bike clearly handles better as a 450, maybe a little because of weight but I think more because of rotating mass. It's more playful, and for me, it's easier to race. The 450 begs to be ridden aggressively where the 690 demands more respect. In terrain that is even semi-technical, I am willing to bet I'd go quicker on the 450 than I will on the same motorcycle with a 690 motor in it. Much like 250 MXers often set competitive 450 lap times with an open track, I think the smaller motor doesn't necessarily equate to less speed on course.

Given my experience riding the various bikes, I do not believe that the 450 rule really slowed people down much- to the contrary, I think it opened up a more aggressive riding style than was possible on the bigger bikes. When coupled with the change to South America, where the terrain was more technical as well... I think it is fair to say things moved along. I agree the move to 450 helped get more manufacturers and teams in the mix, which can only be a good thing.

Finally, I was lucky to buy Skyler's 2019 bike before this race to help him fund his adventure.

I don't have much time on it yet, but it immediately feels compact, tight, and fast. This one is an ex-factory bike, so it has 52mm forks and other goodies, and if you go faster than seems reasonable, it feels magical. On the other hand, if you slow down, it punishes you. I'm really excited to get to know it better.

I have no time on the latest generation RFR, but everyone says the motor is better up high (but worse down low), and that the chassis took another step toward being even more compact, again in response to more technical stages.

There will be a new RFR this year, in the "Up Front" show they avoid a clear shot but from the little you can see, it appears the new bike may not be a trellis frame. Will be interesting to see what they come out with.

I've spent time around the current Yamaha and Honda, but never ridden them. The Yamaha is very much an MX'er with a lot of energy put in to make it work as a rallybike. The Honda is MotoGP meets Dualsport- incredible attention to detail, and no expense spared. The kickstand is carbon fiber, for example. It looks amazing.


Finally, I do think there is a "spiritual" connection between dakar bikes and adventure bikes. They share exactly no parts, but some styling queues, and I think customers (including me!) feel like they might be Meoni when they slide their adventure bike up a dirt road. For a moment they are the star of the rally, even if there is no one there to witness it.

So, the bottom line is that the current 450's are durable, safer for the rider and very very quick.

The capacity limit was brought down to make them safer. The contemporary thinking being that speed was the danger. It wasn't, the irony was that the average speeds hardly moved even as the terrain became far more technical.  Making them smaller and lighter made them safer and easier to ride and ultimately quicker to ride. However it has to be said that todays 450's are pumping out 75hp, only 25hp less than Meoni's Daka winning 950cc KTM!

I would bet that no other capacity of bike in the current format of rally would be quicker. Those monsters of yesteryear are simply too heavy and even the 690 class are still just not nimble enough.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: edgy on January 12, 2021, 12:41:06 pm
I would love to know the various teams/manufacturers budgets and whats the difference in what Honda/KTM/Yamaha/Husky etc throw at the Dakar specifically! 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 12, 2021, 12:54:16 pm
Things are hotting up, top contenders all hungry for victory.
Nice video of TP`s toys, but I dont smaak that pick ups hanging on the ground though.



WOW, I want a garage like that................ 8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mark250gp on January 12, 2021, 12:58:05 pm
Has anyone seen the swingarm on the Yamaha Rallye bike? If its the same as the YZ / WR that we see on the production bikes then they've known about these tabs breaking (If thats what happened to Ross) off for a long time and should have bloody well sorted that out by now. WRT to the engines, yes its racing, yes shit happens, yes you are supposed to look after your machine but for the two motor to pop in two days is not solely about the rider and reflects really really poorly on Monster Energy Yamaha.

I am so upset for Ross, his first year on a factory team and his machine has let him down to the extent of a pretty good shot a podium, an outside chance of a win to not even finishing the race. Hopefully they either sort that bike out or he go's somewhere else. He certainly has the speed and talent so he is owed a decent reliable bike.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 12:59:14 pm
So am I correct in saying Cornejo took it flag to flag today meaning he did not see any other bike today.

Loosing 1"34' doesnt seem like the end of the world for leading the pack?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 01:14:12 pm
The 26 mins Sunderland is down is that before he gets his time back helping Toby ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 01:14:55 pm
Imagine a Honda 1, 2, 3, 4 .......
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 01:23:26 pm
The 26 mins Sunderland is down is that before he gets his time back helping Toby ?

Jip, assume Brabec and Sunderland would get around 15-20min each
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 12, 2021, 01:25:00 pm
09:49 Broken engine for Branch
Following Franco Caimi yesterday, now Ross Branch has fallen foul of engine problems. The man from Botswana is unable to repair it, meaning it is another blow for Yamaha!

AAHH NO, Too sad.......well done Ross, you will win Dakar one day, for sure
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 01:29:19 pm
I would love to know the various teams/manufacturers budgets and whats the difference in what Honda/KTM/Yamaha/Husky etc throw at the Dakar specifically!
Talking about budgets on the Honda looks like machined calipers and lots of CF all round  :drif:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 12, 2021, 01:29:39 pm
Imagine a Honda 1, 2, 3, 4 .......

These 4 riders are proving to be quite a force!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: I&horse on January 12, 2021, 01:41:59 pm
What happened to the rule of changing an engine and take a 20min penalty?

Yamaha surely must have known that Ross' engine may not last, so why not swop it?

Rather take a penalty and get to the end, or is it an ego issue

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Yes why can't they change the engine? If I remember right Paulo Concalves (RIP Speedy) once changed an engine during a stage
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on January 12, 2021, 01:52:25 pm
I hope that Ross gets picked up by Honda or KTM for next year, he deserves to ride in a more reliable team.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on January 12, 2021, 01:56:03 pm
The bikes should start breaking now!!! Al of them !!  Yamaha just leads the way!
Bloody commenters curse! ::) ;)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on January 12, 2021, 02:02:05 pm
Everything state of the art and a cable clutch  :laughing4:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Motties on January 12, 2021, 02:03:28 pm
I hope that Ross gets picked up by Honda or KTM for next year, he deserves to ride in a more reliable team.
I hope so too. :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 02:03:39 pm
Everything state of the art and a cable clutch  :laughing4:
You need reliability in the desert  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on January 12, 2021, 02:04:50 pm
Everything state of the art and a cable clutch  :laughing4:
You need reliability in the desert  :deal:

So hydraulic clutches are unreliable  :snorting:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 02:18:16 pm
Everything state of the art and a cable clutch  :laughing4:
You need reliability in the desert  :deal:

So hydraulic clutches are unreliable  :snorting:

Maybe ask Walkner for an opinion?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: funky_munky on January 12, 2021, 02:37:51 pm
My 2 cents... It is way easier to fix a cable clutch than having to fix hydraulics. No need to carry addition fluid and you can wire in a second cable parallel to your primary, thus swopping over can take 5 minutes instead of half an hour.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 12, 2021, 02:48:31 pm
From AdvRider

heinzkini Bad news today's tage! Stage 8 is a bad day for us: Toby Price crashed badly and broke his shoulder, both wrists and foot..! Luciano Benavides also crashed and broke his arm!

Update, seems to be only a broken collarbone and bruising for Toby.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on January 12, 2021, 03:02:17 pm
From AdvRider

heinzkini Bad news today's tage! Stage 8 is a bad day for us: Toby Price crashed badly and broke his shoulder, both wrists and foot..! Luciano Benavides also crashed and broke his arm!

Update, seems to be only a broken collarbone and bruising for Toby.
Still puts him out... :-(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 12, 2021, 03:03:32 pm
So they got their time back ! Brabec 2nd and Sunderland 5th
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 12, 2021, 03:04:43 pm
Love it...

https://story.snapchat.com/s/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYNomWO6NCwzYSAXb2eIJYAXb2eIFaAO1OAA/

(https://story.snapchat.com/s/o:W7_EDlXWTBiXAEEniNoMPwAAYp7y78ZlEkQNWAXb2SMwmAXb2SMqEAO1OAA/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 12, 2021, 03:10:24 pm
So they got their time back ! Brabec 2nd and Sunderland 5th

Putting Cornejo in an excellent position for the rest of the race.

3rd on the Road for stage 10, if he can win this stage again he will probably loose some time on stage 11 (but by the looks of it opening the stage does not affect him that heavily) just to swing back on stage 12!

Im holding thumbs for the above to pan out! :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 03:31:10 pm
So they got their time back ! Brabec 2nd and Sunderland 5th

Sunderland 4th?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 03:32:00 pm
Come on James only 4 WP's to go...... gonna be a long day.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 03:33:50 pm
So they got their time back ! Brabec 2nd and Sunderland 5th

Sunderland 4th?

Also see 4th on Stage, 3rd overall.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bobby Chang on January 12, 2021, 03:35:34 pm
Let start shouting for James, he might just hear us
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 03:42:25 pm
So they got their time back ! Brabec 2nd and Sunderland 5th

Putting Cornejo in an excellent position for the rest of the race.

3rd on the Road for stage 10, if he can win this stage again he will probably loose some time on stage 11 (but by the looks of it opening the stage does not affect him that heavily) just to swing back on stage 12!

Im holding thumbs for the above to pan out! :thumleft:

Ja Nacho looking strong and really consistent. Old adage applies - To finish first - you first have to finish!  :ricky: :ricky:

Fook Yamaha - bloody pseudo factory team  :dousing:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tommy Transalp on January 12, 2021, 04:05:28 pm
Now definitely won't buy a T7!  :pot:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 04:16:49 pm
Let start shouting for James, he might just hear us

Yep he is in at KP320, so 100km to go to the end of the stage.  :thumleft:

He made WP354 but slow going to WP390.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 12, 2021, 04:19:11 pm
Drama galore. Yamaha needs to sort out their shit man.

But this just shows, dakar takes no prisoners. Go HONDA  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 04:32:01 pm
Has anyone seen the swingarm on the Yamaha Rallye bike? If its the same as the YZ / WR that we see on the production bikes then they've known about these tabs breaking (If thats what happened to Ross) off for a long time and should have bloody well sorted that out by now. WRT to the engines, yes its racing, yes shit happens, yes you are supposed to look after your machine but for the two motor to pop in two days is not solely about the rider and reflects really really poorly on Monster Energy Yamaha.

I am so upset for Ross, his first year on a factory team and his machine has let him down to the extent of a pretty good shot a podium, an outside chance of a win to not even finishing the race. Hopefully they either sort that bike out or he go's somewhere else. He certainly has the speed and talent so he is owed a decent reliable bike.
Copy paste agree, Yamaha is loosing support market share with this. Give it go Yamaha France  not Europe or maybe this bunch of loonies on tip of africa to build, just redirect some moto gp funds, tech 3 team doing mighty fine
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: LeonDude on January 12, 2021, 04:34:32 pm
Drama galore. Yamaha needs to sort out their shit man.

But this just shows, dakar takes no prisoners. Go HONDA  :ricky:
'no prisoners' and 'Go HONDA' next to each other. You're cursing somebody, you know that, don't you?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hardy de Kock on January 12, 2021, 05:21:15 pm
“Today was tough, it was always going to be a long day and it was. Toby started right behind me. We were fighting for the overall victory and it's very bad that he crashed and got injured. I hope it's nothing serious. That’s the last news we want to hear, that one of us has crashed or is out of the race. Toby’s a legend, he’s a very good rider and also a very nice guy, so I wish him a fast recovery. Hopefully he’ll be right back on the bike soon. Today I had to open the whole way. It was tough. They let me know at the first refuelling point that Toby had crashed and I lost focus a little bit and made a few mistakes, but other than that I did a good job. All day pushing by myself was mentally exhausting. It needed a lot of self-motivation and self-conversation to keep going. We’ll see how the guys behind me have done. Hopefully they haven’t caught too many minutes on me and hopefully I’ll increase the overall lead a little bit, but we’ll see. Everyone is starting to push, to play their last cards, to try to advance or to get overall victory. Everyone wants it, you know, so I understand them. When you push to the limit, sometimes you make mistakes and this discipline is just like that. You have to be careful and try to control the danger as much as you can, but sometimes too many things happen: rocks, you’re navigating, going fast… it’s tough to finish without any crashes”.

- Nacho Cornejo

I see the entire Honda team wore Pablo Concalves's name on their jackets today.. Respect

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 05:56:41 pm

Has anyone seen the swingarm on the Yamaha Rallye bike? If its the same as the YZ / WR that we see on the production bikes then they've known about these tabs breaking (If thats what happened to Ross) off for a long time and should have bloody well sorted that out by now.


I agree, thought the same thing. This is one of the first things one does to a YZ/WR used for enduro - weld and reinforce the chain guide bracket tabs that are a known weakness. I really do hope this was not the failure in the Marathon stage - it would be an unforgivable rooky mechanic and race manager prep error ??? ::) Here is a photo of one of the rally bikes and sure looks like a stock standard unmodded swingarm.  ::)   And a pic of what a failure looks like - this is the larger bracket held by two small strip welds that has broken (the smaller tab bracket is even weaker and note the sloppy welds).
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 06:39:59 pm
WP390 one more to go then to ASS, I guess it is dark there already.  :(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 07:13:00 pm
Looks like James went the wrong way turned around, another half hour gone. ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 07:43:22 pm
He seems to be making progress hopefully on the right track.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 12, 2021, 07:54:01 pm
I will just leave this here. In memoriam - a year today.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 08:09:42 pm
And James Alexander makes PK425, stone last competitor two hours behind the guy in front of him, but still going, just needs to get to the ASS, eat service the bike and sleep a few hours.  :biggrin: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 08:41:41 pm
As long as Yamaha keeps competing against KTM's RallyRR's and Honda's HRC Rally bikes on showroom stock customer bikes, converted for Dakar, they are going to struggle.

Yamaha racing division in Japan needs to come to the party from next year.

The Dakar has moved on from the days you could slap a bigger tank on a XT500 and win the Dakar.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 08:42:27 pm
I think a data issue, James timing not shown at the last WP and seems to be stationary on maps, hope a data  issue.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 09:20:06 pm
James is still rolling, we can start the slow hand clap, maybe 5km's out of ASS stone last (by a margin) but rolling.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 12, 2021, 09:23:10 pm
Give him a big hand. He is really making sure he gets value for money from this dakar

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 09:23:33 pm
I think a data issue, James timing not shown at the last WP and seems to be stationary on maps, hope a data  issue.


You must be James's fan club press manager :biggrin:  JA is a absolute champ
See on the Sa dakar site his about 10 km out now at 21h15 our time
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 12, 2021, 09:34:35 pm
He seems to be in ASS but the timing is out.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 12, 2021, 10:08:58 pm
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No, of course not, racers are animals by nature but they're getting penalized for exceeding max speed limits so there's an incentive to keep it in the "safety" zone. How quickly they get to 180 will obviously change but that risk is lower, surely? There's only so much that can be extracted from a 450 motor and they're finding that limit now.

Why do you say that? Is there high attrition rate this year? Doesn't seem so at all - but admittedly I'm not up to speed. It seems only Yamaha's have problem - nothing dramatic (at least engine wise) with KTM, Husky's and Hondas. Maybe Yamaha should finally enter 21st century and put 6 speed gearbox on their 450, like all the competitors did...

From where I sit 450s are more than capable of all of this. It's been few years now when most of the teams run the whole event on one engine, while at the introduction of 450s most were changing engines half way through.

What makes you think that 450 engines are not up to this kind of job?

I agree. The current crop of 450 engines are amazing jewels of engineering. Last year not one KTM engine across the entire field failed. But here's a little bit of insight from a guy on ADVrider who has a Dakar under his belt and not only knows alot about the progression of the the Rally bike from the big litre class monsters to the 450's, but owns them too...

https://advrider.com/f/threads/2021-saudi-dakar-official-coverage-thread-covid-resistant-f5irehose.1481846/page-161#post-41579819

Quote from: neduro, post: 41579819, member: 3524

 I've been lucky to ride and/or own a few generations of RFR, including 660, 690, and the first two generations of 450. Since it is the rest day and we have nothing better to do, I'll share my thoughts.

The 660 is a rough and ready hot-rod. The motor is a bit brutal, the build quality is spotty to be generous, and they are an absolute blast to ride. It is loud, coarse, mean, and a bit unforgiving.

The 690 is a huge step forward in refinement. Lots of bespoke parts, much tidier packaging, and at least the first version (a 654cc displacement) was more mellow. That doesn't mean it was slow, just it didn't have a huge step in power as it came on song. The defining characteristic is stability- it will hold a line where an enduro bike is wagging all around.

The first gen 450 is a 690 with a smaller motor slotted in. I imagined that would be a step back, but that isn't actually my experience as a racebike. The bike clearly handles better as a 450, maybe a little because of weight but I think more because of rotating mass. It's more playful, and for me, it's easier to race. The 450 begs to be ridden aggressively where the 690 demands more respect. In terrain that is even semi-technical, I am willing to bet I'd go quicker on the 450 than I will on the same motorcycle with a 690 motor in it. Much like 250 MXers often set competitive 450 lap times with an open track, I think the smaller motor doesn't necessarily equate to less speed on course.

Given my experience riding the various bikes, I do not believe that the 450 rule really slowed people down much- to the contrary, I think it opened up a more aggressive riding style than was possible on the bigger bikes. When coupled with the change to South America, where the terrain was more technical as well... I think it is fair to say things moved along. I agree the move to 450 helped get more manufacturers and teams in the mix, which can only be a good thing.

Finally, I was lucky to buy Skyler's 2019 bike before this race to help him fund his adventure.

I don't have much time on it yet, but it immediately feels compact, tight, and fast. This one is an ex-factory bike, so it has 52mm forks and other goodies, and if you go faster than seems reasonable, it feels magical. On the other hand, if you slow down, it punishes you. I'm really excited to get to know it better.

I have no time on the latest generation RFR, but everyone says the motor is better up high (but worse down low), and that the chassis took another step toward being even more compact, again in response to more technical stages.

There will be a new RFR this year, in the "Up Front" show they avoid a clear shot but from the little you can see, it appears the new bike may not be a trellis frame. Will be interesting to see what they come out with.

I've spent time around the current Yamaha and Honda, but never ridden them. The Yamaha is very much an MX'er with a lot of energy put in to make it work as a rallybike. The Honda is MotoGP meets Dualsport- incredible attention to detail, and no expense spared. The kickstand is carbon fiber, for example. It looks amazing.


Finally, I do think there is a "spiritual" connection between dakar bikes and adventure bikes. They share exactly no parts, but some styling queues, and I think customers (including me!) feel like they might be Meoni when they slide their adventure bike up a dirt road. For a moment they are the star of the rally, even if there is no one there to witness it.

So, the bottom line is that the current 450's are durable, safer for the rider and very very quick.

The capacity limit was brought down to make them safer. The contemporary thinking being that speed was the danger. It wasn't, the irony was that the average speeds hardly moved even as the terrain became far more technical.  Making them smaller and lighter made them safer and easier to ride and ultimately quicker to ride. However it has to be said that todays 450's are pumping out 75hp, only 25hp less than Meoni's Daka winning 950cc KTM!

I would bet that no other capacity of bike in the current format of rally would be quicker. Those monsters of yesteryear are simply too heavy and even the 690 class are still just not nimble enough.

Interesting reading on engines and also sad a year down the line from Gonks passing  we also think of Elmer Symonds and Andy Caldecot and Meoni - real sad. Just uploading Meone's pic-remember how he could bitch and moan, what a character
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: IanTheTooth on January 13, 2021, 12:34:09 am
I really liked Elmer Symons, always a nice guy to talk to. Shame about Toby Price, That's a rotator cuff which is never going to be the same again. Similar injury put Gary Lindsay aka Farmer brown into retirement at the peak of his game. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 07:51:27 am
I really liked Elmer Symons, always a nice guy to talk to. Shame about Toby Price, That's a rotator cuff which is never going to be the same again. Similar injury put Gary Lindsay aka Farmer brown into retirement at the peak of his game.

I think TP will only be back in 4 wheels. He's been testing the waters in Aus. Pity, think he would have wanted to achieve one more 1st place and take KTM back to glory before he moves to cars. He was sure showing that determination with the torn tire and pushing so hard throughout.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2021, 08:01:23 am
At the risk of sounding like a millennial I am so over this Dakar now

Honda have done very well and unfortunately for KTM - apart from TP - the team personalities just seem a bit lackluster
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 08:29:22 am
b4 we/i start the duplications off my phone again :biggrin: herewith some nice stuff from the BAS team


https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1391708777850459/

and a further set back for Yamaha

Van Beveren, The Last of the Yamaha-cans
Adrien Van Beveren is the only remaining factory Yamaha biker in the race after Ross Branch was knocked out by a mechanical yesterday. The Frenchman finished the stage fifth, which could have been his best performance so far, but he was handed down a 15-minute penalty after the special. He is now 11th overall at 1 h 17 back.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2021, 08:45:04 am
Cornejo's to lose.

The last two days won him the Dakar. He had ridden a very tactically smart race up until then. Then he must have put everything into these 2 days and risked his race to get him into a position where he now has an almost unassailable lead. He now only has to play the time honoured game of shadowing and matching his closest rivals, and unless he crashes or suffers a mechanical, he cannot be beat.

De Soutrait and Sunderland also seemed to have the same idea, just lady luck of Rally wasn't as kind to them. It's unfortunate for them, but Cornejo can rightfully claim to be an elite when it comes to putting navigation and riding together. Others might be faster, but I do think his navigation seems to be more accurate than most.

...but, this is rally and until you cross the finish line, nothing is assured.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: caconcepts on January 13, 2021, 08:50:14 am
What a dakar so far....Going out on a limb to predict Ross will win Dakar next year on a new and improved Yammie. :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cdp13 on January 13, 2021, 09:22:46 am
I really liked Elmer Symons, always a nice guy to talk to. Shame about Toby Price, That's a rotator cuff which is never going to be the same again. Similar injury put Gary Lindsay aka Farmer brown into retirement at the peak of his game.

I think TP will only be back in 4 wheels. He's been testing the waters in Aus. Pity, think he would have wanted to achieve one more 1st place and take KTM back to glory before he moves to cars. He was sure showing that determination with the torn tire and pushing so hard throughout.

Agree this might well be the last time we see TP on a bike at Dakar.

Does that open up a spot for Ross on the KTM team .....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 09:32:52 am

Does that open up a spot for Ross on the KTM team .....

My impression from interviews with Ross, is that he is already committed to Yamaha for next year. Not said in those words, but sort of alludes to it.
Unless he just has to talk like that for PR purposes.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: King Louis on January 13, 2021, 09:33:06 am
Well, for the top teams, it is all about winning and money. Honda is all smiles right now, Yammie right the opposite, KTM needs to change. So, with any brains, they should poach Ross for next year and he must certainly want to have a more reliable bike. Time will tell.

Good luck to all those still in it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 13, 2021, 09:35:27 am
Being soooper productive today...  Much like yesterday and the day before that, pretty much since the Dakar started.


Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 09:59:31 am
Being soooper productive today...  Much like yesterday and the day before that, pretty much since the Dakar started.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 10:00:55 am
Looking at Brabec's trajectory, seems he is aiming to be 2nd by stage 10 and to lead by Stage 11..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kortbroek on January 13, 2021, 10:11:48 am
I suspect Ross has enough integrity not to jump ship after one season and not even a complete season at that.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 10:20:08 am
TP
Well, I’ve finally broken my 30th bone! Crashed out in Stage 9 yesterday, I don’t remember much but I’ve got a pretty sore collarbone, shoulder and hand and will need surgery for that... Dissapointed to not make the finish and let down the @ktmfactoryracing team and my sponsors but that’s racing unfortunately this time around. Thank you @sundersam and @rickybrabec for stopping to help me, I was off with the fairies that day but I heard you took good care of me!
#Dakar2021
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 10:24:59 am
from SA dakar site
10:09 Brabec strikes back in the mountains
The motorbikes have just started the hilly part of today's special. Ricky Brabec has moved back into the lead at km 126 by 30' over Nacho Cornejo as Joan Barreda trails by over a minute. Kevin Benavides, opening the way today, has been overtaken by Brabec and is now almost 4'30' behind the American in the provisional classification
10:27 Benavides slowly climbing back into contention
After losing almost five minutes at the second time check, Kevin Benavides is now 3'50' behind Ricky Brabec at km 162. Overall leader Nacho Cornejo is conceding just under a minute to his teammate. It's no holds barred in the Honda Clan!

and for Welsch-(just in case :))
117 🇧🇼 J. Alexander P69 @ PK45 Provisional
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on January 13, 2021, 10:42:30 am
I suspect Ross has enough integrity not to jump ship after one season and not even a complete season at that.
Known him since highschool MX days and he is one of the most humble, loyal young gentlemen I have met. Same goes Vincent Crosbie... they raise them good in Botswana!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 10:48:36 am
I suspect Ross has enough integrity not to jump ship after one season and not even a complete season at that.

I agree, it would potentially brand him as such; which I don't believe he is. I am sure he would want to help Yamaha, as they were the 1st to grab him and not KTM.

But if TP leaves, there will be a spot open... They, as a team, can do with a strong navigator that can haul ass. Also a humble team member with true grit, very valuable.

Tough choice, but fortunate position to be in.

Will support Ross, no matter who he rides for.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:00:27 am
11:46 Cornejo crashes!
Nacho Cornejo has crashed at km 252. The overall leader has emerged unscathed and is now back on the move.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 11:04:32 am
11:46 Cornejo crashes!
Nacho Cornejo has crashed at km 252. The overall leader has emerged unscathed and is now back on the move.

Oh no!
Rooting for this "underrated" rider.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:04:42 am
Brabec through WP8 already and heading for ASS ... and been hauling ass! Should take the stage. Wonder what the gap looks like now.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 11:34:35 am
11:46 Cornejo crashes!
Nacho Cornejo has crashed at km 252. The overall leader has emerged unscathed and is now back on the move.
Bliksem Honda boys keep it together, there is no "i" in team  :lol8: It seems there is no team orders and they are all gunning for FTW !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2021, 11:36:20 am
I suspect Ross has enough integrity not to jump ship after one season and not even a complete season at that.

I agree, it would potentially brand him as such; which I don't believe he is. I am sure he would want to help Yamaha, as they were the 1st to grab him and not KTM.

But if TP leaves, there will be a spot open... They, as a team, can do with a strong navigator that can haul ass. Also a humble team member with true grit, very valuable.

Tough choice, but fortunate position to be in.

Will support Ross, no matter who he rides for.
Unless...... it’s hero LOL


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:44:03 am
I suspect Ross has enough integrity not to jump ship after one season and not even a complete season at that.

I agree, it would potentially brand him as such; which I don't believe he is. I am sure he would want to help Yamaha, as they were the 1st to grab him and not KTM.

But if TP leaves, there will be a spot open... They, as a team, can do with a strong navigator that can haul ass. Also a humble team member with true grit, very valuable.

Tough choice, but fortunate position to be in.

Will support Ross, no matter who he rides for.
Unless...... it’s hero LOL


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Actually Hero is more reliable than Yamaha presently!  :3some:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 13, 2021, 11:44:40 am
And in a matter of minutes the overall win is totally up for grabs again

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:46:43 am
Not really - yes closer but Nacho still has it I think.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 13, 2021, 11:50:03 am
Not really - yes closer but Nacho still has it I think.
He is lying 3rd overall??

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2021, 11:50:51 am
Cornejo's to lose.

The last two days won him the Dakar. He had ridden a very tactically smart race up until then. Then he must have put everything into these 2 days and risked his race to get him into a position where he now has an almost unassailable lead. He now only has to play the time honoured game of shadowing and matching his closest rivals, and unless he crashes or suffers a mechanical, he cannot be beat.

De Soutrait and Sunderland also seemed to have the same idea, just lady luck of Rally wasn't as kind to them. It's unfortunate for them, but Cornejo can rightfully claim to be an elite when it comes to putting navigation and riding together. Others might be faster, but I do think his navigation seems to be more accurate than most.

...but, this is rally and until you cross the finish line, nothing is assured.

FFS!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:51:03 am
Not really - yes closer but Nacho still has it I think.
He is lying 3rd overall??

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Oh shit - Ok lost more time with his off than I thought.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 13, 2021, 11:52:50 am
Not really - yes closer but Nacho still has it I think.
He is lying 3rd overall??

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Oh shit - Ok lost more time with his off than I thought.
At least the last 2 days will be very interesting

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 11:54:50 am
Big Kev take the lead in General standings
0:51 sec Ricky Bobby
1:07 Nachos
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 11:56:53 am
Big Kev take the lead in General standings
0:51 sec Ricky Bobby
1:07 Nachos

12:47 Brabec done for the day
Ricky Brabec has wrapped up the stage and will very likely take his second win of the year. Joan Barreda will have to settle for second, while Kevin Benavides, Matthias Walkner and Skyler Howes fight for third place.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 11:56:55 am
So maybe Ricky's take it slow then jaag like a demon's strategy is beginning to pay off  :peepwall:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 13, 2021, 11:57:50 am
So maybe Ricky's take it slow then jaag like a demon's strategy is beginning to pay off  :peepwall:
But opening tomorrow will be difficult

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 11:58:56 am
Looking at Brabec's trajectory, seems he is aiming to be 2nd by stage 10 and to lead by Stage 11..

.... the man has a plan, but I still don't like it when a Yank wins an originally African race.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 13, 2021, 11:59:35 am
I see James Madala Alexander is going to be keeping us up late again tonight..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 12:01:03 pm
These 24HP CRF's are doing great ....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 12:17:11 pm
Tomorrow is a long stage, anything can still happen. 511km it seems.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 12:55:53 pm
Well done Honda
13:11 Honda scores 1-2-3!
Kevin Benavides came in third today, rounding off a Honda 1-2-3 both in the stage classification and in the general standings. Nacho Cornejo is no longer the overall leader after losing 17'42' to Ricky Brabec. The new leader, Kevin Benavides, is just over a minute ahead of Ricky Brabec and Nacho Cornejo with two stages to go until the finish in Jeddah.

SA Dakar site


Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gmac on January 13, 2021, 01:03:14 pm
So maybe Ricky's take it slow then jaag like a demon's strategy is beginning to pay off  :peepwall:
Yes - I have to eat my words from a few days ago - I’m used to eating humble pie.

I don’t mind if a yank wins - he is pretty calm and decent.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 13, 2021, 01:14:32 pm
A rattled Nacho Cornejo has undergone a medical examination after soldiering on to the finish following his crash at km 252. The Chilean, who started today's stage in the overall lead, has been left with no choice but to withdraw from the race and leave his teammates Ricky Brabec and Kevin Benavides to duke it out for the win

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 01:21:55 pm
Tomorrow is a long stage, anything can still happen. 511km it seems.

I think tomorrow is the longest stage of the whole rally.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 01:22:45 pm
A rattled Nacho Cornejo has undergone a medical examination after soldiering on to the finish following his crash at km 252. The Chilean, who started today's stage in the overall lead, has been left with no choice but to withdraw from the race and leave his teammates Ricky Brabec and Kevin Benavides to duke it out for the win

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Nooooo!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 01:24:36 pm
Tomorrow is a long stage, anything can still happen. 511km it seems.

I think tomorrow is the longest stage of the whole rally.
Indeed Sunderland and Bareda that sits 10 and 15 minutes back is still in with a chance. Over 500km 10 mins is nothing.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 13, 2021, 01:31:12 pm
Was hoping for a Honda  1 2 3 4 but  1 2 3 will do
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Sandban(g)k on January 13, 2021, 01:33:53 pm
A rattled Nacho Cornejo has undergone a medical examination after soldiering on to the finish following his crash at km 252. The Chilean, who started today's stage in the overall lead, has been left with no choice but to withdraw from the race and leave his teammates Ricky Brabec and Kevin Benavides to duke it out for the win

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Ag nee donner!!

Nous die 3 bestes uit! Ek wil ook nie wen omdat die bestes nie meer daar is nie  :deal:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BullSmit on January 13, 2021, 02:14:01 pm
Neeeeee......

JY's is nou die beste, want jy gaan die race hopelik finish.....  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 02:14:36 pm
A rattled Nacho Cornejo has undergone a medical examination after soldiering on to the finish following his crash at km 252. The Chilean, who started today's stage in the overall lead, has been left with no choice but to withdraw from the race and leave his teammates Ricky Brabec and Kevin Benavides to duke it out for the win

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Ag nee donner!!

Nous die 3 bestes uit! Ek wil ook nie wen omdat die bestes nie meer daar is nie  :deal:

Die bestes is uit, juis omdat hulle nie die beste was nie.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 13, 2021, 02:15:35 pm
A rattled Nacho Cornejo has undergone a medical examination after soldiering on to the finish following his crash at km 252. The Chilean, who started today's stage in the overall lead, has been left with no choice but to withdraw from the race and leave his teammates Ricky Brabec and Kevin Benavides to duke it out for the win

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I leave for 3 hours and this happens!????

FFS!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 13, 2021, 02:24:02 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 13, 2021, 02:27:10 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.

He might be the first Yamaha home..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 02:35:18 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.

He might be the first Yamaha home..


 :lol8: sies man
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 13, 2021, 02:40:36 pm
ag FFS!

Top 5 for Sanders on his first dakar!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 13, 2021, 02:42:32 pm
These 24HP CRF's are doing great ....

 :laughing4:
#1 Rikus Draadtrek, like his cool and calm manner, reminds me of fellow countryman the late  Kentucky Kid.
Go about quietly, put your head down and do the work.
Positive post exit interview from Ross, go back to the drawing board, do some more work, come back stronger. :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mark250gp on January 13, 2021, 02:48:45 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.

He might be the first Yamaha home..

Might be the only...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 13, 2021, 03:06:10 pm
Graham Sharp s thoughts on Nacho

I don’t think a factory rider would just quick that easily. After risking your life for 6000kms I doubt those decisions are made lightly...head injuries and translations from his native Chilean are vague at best of times... (just my 2 cents)

I suspect something more sinister.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: cndavel on January 13, 2021, 03:25:25 pm
"... it was later announced that he has been forced to retire due to a 'risk of concussion'. Organiser ASO said that Cornejo "was not feeling well", with sources close to the rider telling Motorsport.com that he had received a heavy hit on his head in the crash..."
https://www.motorsport.com/dakar/news/benavides-lead-cornejo-retires-brabec/4975649/

Graham Sharp s thoughts on Nacho

I don’t think a factory rider would just quick that easily. After risking your life for 6000kms I doubt those decisions are made lightly...head injuries and translations from his native Chilean are vague at best of times... (just my 2 cents)

I suspect something more sinister.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2021, 04:03:33 pm
James is having a blinder, only the last PK/WP and then to ASS, he might be in before dark.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2021, 04:29:01 pm
James Alexander, the Prince of Darkness, hoping to get into ASS before dark tonight.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BOER! on January 13, 2021, 04:45:15 pm
Not much on Laia this year.

Still very reasonable 29th place considering she is not 100% race fit yet.

I think she sometimes gets overlooked for her exceptional skill due to years of running up at the top with the big names.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ace Venture on January 13, 2021, 05:03:34 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.

He might be the first Yamaha home..
He's on a KTM, just his jacket is a Yamaha

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 13, 2021, 05:11:08 pm
James is having a blinder, only the last PK/WP and then to ASS, he might be in before dark.  :biggrin:

James is in ASS  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 13, 2021, 07:45:19 pm
At this rate of attrition, James might start to fancy his chances for a podium... Last man riding.

He might be the first Yamaha home..
He's on a KTM, just his jacket is a Yamaha

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I hope the jacket will make it.  :o
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 13, 2021, 08:15:54 pm
James is having a blinder, only the last PK/WP and then to ASS, he might be in before dark. 

James is in ASS 
Nice and early for a change!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 13, 2021, 10:05:14 pm
I missed it if it was shared, but what exactly went wrong on Ross's bike?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 06:45:37 am
James Alexander  video- just soldering on- what a man

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x7ynpzg?autoplay=1

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 06:59:44 am
I missed it if it was shared, but what exactly went wrong on Ross's bike?

No one is saying ...  :o. I think nothing confirmed on Shorts either although electrical was mentioned. And AVB took a penalty and new engine ...  ::). Houston/Shingai we have a probleeem  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 14, 2021, 07:26:40 am
James Alexander  video- just soldering on- what a man

https://www.dailymotion.com/embed/video/x7ynpzg?autoplay=1

Epic Indeed!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 07:29:11 am
Yamaha's poor showing should prompt the factory to also build a dedicated raid bike, and not let subsidiaries in France do a home-built off a showroom WR.

Like in MotoGP, the legendary Yamaha motor corporation seems to be losing interest in racing.

Like BMW, they seem to realise that a manufacturer does not need to race to sell well. :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 08:07:14 am
James on todays stage- tough bugger or what
https://www.facebook.com/379235369097810/posts/1392413464446657/

SA Dakar site update
08:31 Counter-attack from KTM

Rookie Daniel Sanders and Sam Sunderland, both rather discreet yesterday, have moved into the lead at the first time check point. The two KTM riders currently lead the HRC trio made up of Kevin Benavides, Joan Barreda and Ricky Brabec. For the moment, seven riders are within the same minute!
08:44 Now it is Quintanilla’s turn

Pablo Quintanilla, the runner-up to Ricky Brabec in 2020, only has one podium finish for the moment this year, but the Husqvarna rider is on the attack at the start of this special, moving into the lead, 38’’ ahead of Daniel Sanders! Kevin Benavides, Joan Barreda and Ricky Brabec now trail by more than one minute. Martin Michek, last year’s third best rookie, has climbed into third position on the special!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 08:14:16 am
Yamaha's poor showing should prompt the factory to also build a dedicated raid bike, and not let subsidiaries in France do a home-built off a showroom WR.

Like in MotoGP, the legendary Yamaha motor corporation seems to be losing interest in racing.

Like BMW, they seem to realise that a manufacturer does not need to race to sell well. :biggrin:

Daan- this bike is built by Yamaha Europe i read somewhere they should have given it to Yamaha France or one of the European specialist builders

Maybe true for BM but they sell in a different market- look what its done for KTM and it will boost Honda's sales in this market even
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 08:19:04 am
[08:15, 1/14/2021] +27 71 471 1161: Brabec loses some ground
The three Hondas ridden by Joan Barreda, Kevin Benavides and Ricky Brabec have already completed 127 km and the title holder already trails Barreda by 2’30 and Benavides, his main rival in the general standings, by 40’’
[08:18, 1/14/2021] +27 71 471 1161: Sanders regains the lead
Pablo Quintanilla has reached the second intermediate point in fourth position, 30’’ behind rookie Daniel Sanders who leads ahead of Joan Barreda. Ricky Brabec is third, 16’’ behind, while Kevin Benavides trails by 46’’ in fifth position. However, the gaps are likely to increase when everybody has completed 127 km…
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 08:24:18 am
If Sunderland can make inroads into the leaders, he has a chance. He is 18 minutes down the queue and lying 8 minutes adrift on overall.

If I were him, I'd pick my moments on ground where tracks are easier to see and throw caution to the wind and trade navigation for speed and hope like hell the tracks up ahead are true.

Either way, even with the attrition rate, it's been a fine edition of the race.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 08:26:27 am
Yamaha's poor showing should prompt the factory to also build a dedicated raid bike, and not let subsidiaries in France do a home-built off a showroom WR.

Like in MotoGP, the legendary Yamaha motor corporation seems to be losing interest in racing.

Like BMW, they seem to realise that a manufacturer does not need to race to sell well. :biggrin:

Daan- this bike is built by Yamaha Europe i read somewhere they should have given it to Yamaha France or one of the European specialist builders

Maybe true for BM but they sell in a different market- look what its done for KTM and it will boost Honda's sales in this market even

And, Honda will be making customer bikes for next year now too. Up until this year, you had to be a factory rider to be on one.

I'd love to try one out back to back with an RFR. I'd never get close to what it can do but still....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 08:54:57 am
some nice pics from adv site-

from SADG
The top 4 within 10’’
Pablo Quintanilla has regained the lead after 127 km with the same time as Daniel Sanders. Joan Barreda and Sam Sunderland are hot on the two riders’ heels, less than 10’’ behind! The special is proving more difficult for Kevin Benavides, trailing by 1’49’’ and Ricky Brabec, who is 2’29’’ behind the current stage leader.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 14, 2021, 09:16:28 am
Tracking or has James stopped? Just my tracking I see👍
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 09:41:01 am
Joan Barreda boasts a lead of 12' over Ricky Brabec after 215 km! However, the Spaniard has not stopped at the refuelling point and has continued the special. The fifth placed rider in the general standings is likely to receive a big penalty at the finish and could end up running out of petrol...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 14, 2021, 09:42:26 am
wat die vok . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 09:44:21 am
I saw on tracking everyone else held at that point for ages but BB had not stopped there - was some initial speculation whether they were stopping the stage or what was going on.
 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 10:08:58 am
I saw on tracking everyone else held at that point for ages but BB had not stopped there - was some initial speculation whether they were stopping the stage or what was going on.

from sa dakar site
Big mistake for Barreda!
Joan Barreda boasts a lead of 12' over Ricky Brabec after 215 km! However, the Spaniard has not stopped at the refuelling point and has continued the special. The fifth placed rider in the general standings is likely to receive a big penalty at the finish and could end up running out of petrol...

11:04 Brabec loses his way
Ricky Brabec has gone astray from the route of the special after 247 km. The title holder, already lagging behind Kevin Benavides at the last intermediate point, could lose valuable time.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 14, 2021, 10:12:46 am
Looks like Barreda stopped as his tracking is not moving. Wonder if he ran out of petrol? Benavides and Brabec now in front of him

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 10:24:34 am
Looks like Barreda stopped as his tracking is not moving. Wonder if he ran out of petrol? Benavides and Brabec now in front of him

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SADG site

11:16 Barreda is out of gas!
Joan Barreda has run out of petrol after 267 km! After missing the refuelling point, unfortunately the Spaniard left himself open to such a mishap.

say no more
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 14, 2021, 10:24:51 am
Bareda has run out of petrol.....  What a dumbass
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 10:40:45 am

I hope the jacket will make it.  :o

Produced by MIRA in Cape Town. Awesome product.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 10:46:46 am
Good news for some ... Sunderland presently sitting level with Brabec in overall standings ...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 10:47:22 am

I hope the jacket will make it.  :o

Produced by MIRA in Cape Town. Awesome product.

Are they colour blind?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 10:59:18 am

I hope the jacket will make it.  :o

Produced by MIRA in Cape Town. Awesome product.

Are they colour blind?  :imaposer:

Products are all bespoke according to customer requirements.
They supplied the Husky and KTM rain gear as well.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 14, 2021, 11:03:04 am
Just my impression, James is having one of his best days today on what is supposed to be a difficult one, he is much more in touch with the pace?  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 14, 2021, 11:06:43 am
Bareda has run out of petrol.....  What a dumbass

I assume the refuel point is also shown in the roadbook like a waypoint of sorts?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 11:06:58 am
Barreda's times once past the refuelling point gained him only an advantage of 6 minutes of what should have been 15. Playing back the tracking map, he slows right down a few k's past the refuelling, that's where he lost the 9 minutes. I am guessing he had a brain fart, somehow avoided the refuelling circle on his GPS Irritrack that would have tripped the 15 minutes timer and carried on. Once past there he has realised he's missed it and slows down to sort out what the options are.

I wonder if he then realised he only then had 2 options;
1 - To go back and fill up which would definitely cost him the race.
2 - Carry one and chance his luck. As his 15 minute timer might not have been tripped and it's not (seems) compulsory to re-fuel, he then buys himself effectively 15 minutes.

He really needs to work on his navigation. (says me sitting in my office chair)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 11:10:04 am

. (says me sitting in my office chair)

You and me both.
At least I navigated to my chair without too much struggle.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 11:18:10 am

I hope the jacket will make it.  :o

Produced by MIRA in Cape Town. Awesome product.

Are they colour blind?  :imaposer:

Products are all bespoke according to customer requirements.
They supplied the Husky and KTM rain gear as well.

Bespoke  :imaposer:  ... with artisinal refelctive signage and limited edition airbags?   Was James going to ride Yamaha and then changed his mind and too late to re-bespoke? Good move anyway.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 14, 2021, 11:19:41 am
Just my impression, James is having one of his best days today on what is supposed to be a difficult one, he is much more in touch with the pace?  8)

Indeed! Really flying!

I think the trucks are indeed what slowed him so much the previous days. He started a bit too easy on the previous stages. This time he hung onto the group for quite a distance.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 11:26:32 am
Barreda's times once past the refuelling point gained him only an advantage of 6 minutes of what should have been 15. Playing back the tracking map, he slows right down a few k's past the refuelling, that's where he lost the 9 minutes. I am guessing he had a brain fart, somehow avoided the refuelling circle on his GPS Irritrack that would have tripped the 15 minutes timer and carried on. Once past there he has realised he's missed it and slows down to sort out what the options are.

I wonder if he then realised he only then had 2 options;
1 - To go back and fill up which would definitely cost him the race.
2 - Carry one and chance his luck. As his 15 minute timer might not have been tripped and it's not (seems) compulsory to re-fuel, he then buys himself effectively 15 minutes.

He really needs to work on his navigation. (says me sitting in my office chair)

They've just stopped at another fuel stop, maybe it was his strategy all along to skip the first fuel stop and try make the second.

If he'd pulled it off, he'd have scored so many high 5's.

Motosport, hero to zero so often.

I really do hope it was the case and not a navigation error
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 11:37:02 am
Barreda's times once past the refuelling point gained him only an advantage of 6 minutes of what should have been 15. Playing back the tracking map, he slows right down a few k's past the refuelling, that's where he lost the 9 minutes. I am guessing he had a brain fart, somehow avoided the refuelling circle on his GPS Irritrack that would have tripped the 15 minutes timer and carried on. Once past there he has realised he's missed it and slows down to sort out what the options are.

I wonder if he then realised he only then had 2 options;
1 - To go back and fill up which would definitely cost him the race.
2 - Carry one and chance his luck. As his 15 minute timer might not have been tripped and it's not (seems) compulsory to re-fuel, he then buys himself effectively 15 minutes.

He really needs to work on his navigation. (says me sitting in my office chair)

They've just stopped at another fuel stop, maybe it was his strategy all along to skip the first fuel stop and try make the second.

If he'd pulled it off, he'd have scored so many high 5's.

Motosport, hero to zero so often.

I really do hope it was the case and not a navigation error

Except you have to stop at the WPCP according to rules. Team would not have entertained that gamble imo.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 11:44:15 am
Ross Branch-- Well be back in 2022

https://fb.watch/2-O_0chzj5/
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 14, 2021, 11:52:40 am
Ross Branch-- Well be back in 2022

https://fb.watch/2-O_0chzj5/

At 2:50 both Branch's and Toby's bikes next to each other on the bakkie...  :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 11:55:51 am
Barreda's times once past the refuelling point gained him only an advantage of 6 minutes of what should have been 15. Playing back the tracking map, he slows right down a few k's past the refuelling, that's where he lost the 9 minutes. I am guessing he had a brain fart, somehow avoided the refuelling circle on his GPS Irritrack that would have tripped the 15 minutes timer and carried on. Once past there he has realised he's missed it and slows down to sort out what the options are.

I wonder if he then realised he only then had 2 options;
1 - To go back and fill up which would definitely cost him the race.
2 - Carry one and chance his luck. As his 15 minute timer might not have been tripped and it's not (seems) compulsory to re-fuel, he then buys himself effectively 15 minutes.

He really needs to work on his navigation. (says me sitting in my office chair)

They've just stopped at another fuel stop, maybe it was his strategy all along to skip the first fuel stop and try make the second.

If he'd pulled it off, he'd have scored so many high 5's.

Motosport, hero to zero so often.

I really do hope it was the case and not a navigation error

Except you have to stop at the WPCP according to rules. Team would not have entertained that gamble imo.

There's a vey short snapchat clip of him taking off from that waypoint. So it could well be he never entered the fuelling circle and went directly to the CPWP to carry on. It's not compulsory to re-fuel.

He ran dry 31km from the next fuel stop.

If it was planned, it was a bold one. If he'd slowed just a fraction all the way through, he could have stretched out his consumption and very likely have made it.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 11:59:48 am
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 12:12:47 pm
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.

Turns out the fuel stop is not a control or waypoint....

(https://advrider.com/f/attachments/stage11-wp8fuel-jpg.2756577/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 12:14:35 pm
James is doing so well today, he can put in as a feather in his cap that he even beat Barreda! :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 12:16:39 pm
James is doing so well today, he can put in as a feather in his cap that he even beat Barreda! :biggrin:

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 12:18:19 pm
13:07 Sunderland and Quintanilla still lead
After 362 km, a KTM and a Husqvarna lead the stage, ridden respectively by Super Sam Sunderland and Pablo Quintanilla, with 1’37’’ separating the two riders. Kevin Benavides is still in third, trailing by 40’’, while rookie Daniel Sanders is 6’03’’ behind.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 12:18:51 pm
Sam and Pablo is a mere 1.5 min apart, if Sam can come in safe today and give that 1.5min up for Pablo to open up tomorrow then he has done really well!

If he wins today and open tomorrow, then a lot of the gain from today will be lost on the last stage.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 12:19:02 pm
Skyler Howes
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-racing/skyler-howes-talks-about-leading-dakar-rally/

I really thought the best find in Dakar this year is KTM's Sanders but this laid back American must the equal if not better- saw some of  u tube stuff before 21 Dakar started including doing the Sonoro rally with Brabec last year- wow- still early days but that sure he will be lapped up quickly by the big teams- Thtttt boys in blue...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 12:20:49 pm
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.

Turns out the fuel stop is not a control or waypoint....


Hmm - well the thot plickens then  :o   Now as speculated, surely if JBB intended to try and pull this move it would have been run past the team management and also offered to the other riders? Maybe he should have pushed the bike 30km  :imaposer:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 12:30:00 pm
Skyler Howes
https://www.cycleworld.com/story/motorcycle-racing/skyler-howes-talks-about-leading-dakar-rally/

I really thought the best find in Dakar this year is KTM's Sanders but this laid back American must the equal if not better- saw some of  u tube stuff before 21 Dakar started including doing the Sonoro rally with Brabec last year- wow- still early days but that sure he will be lapped up quickly by the big teams- Thtttt boys in blue...

Redbull TV also has a session on him, made mention of how he and Rickey used to race each other.

He is doing extremely well, a lot of contenders for TP's spot...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 14, 2021, 12:33:13 pm
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.

Turns out the fuel stop is not a control or waypoint....


Hmm - well the thot plickens then  :o   Now as speculated, surely if JBB intended to try and pull this move it would have been run past the team management and also offered to the other riders? Maybe he should have pushed the bike 30km  :imaposer:


Maybe a keyboard jockey comment, but it almost seems as if JBB finds a way not to finish the race each year?  :patch:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 14, 2021, 12:51:07 pm
At WP 10 only 46 seconds between Sunderland and Benavides for overall. Tomorrow won't be an easy stage so it's not the traditional "ride to the end" stage.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 01:15:39 pm
2 days ago, it looked like Honda for 1-4, now we only have 2 Honda's and 3 KTM's in the top 5...

Wonder what KTM's game plan will be tomorrow with Sunderland opening the stage...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 01:17:26 pm
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.

Turns out the fuel stop is not a control or waypoint....


Hmm - well the thot plickens then  :o   Now as speculated, surely if JBB intended to try and pull this move it would have been run past the team management and also offered to the other riders? Maybe he should have pushed the bike 30km  :imaposer:


Maybe a keyboard jockey comment, but it almost seems as if JBB finds a way not to finish the race each year?  :patch:

14:02 Barreda exits the race
It was likely to happen and now it has been confirmed: Joan Barreda has drawn his adventure to a close. The Spaniard, who had ground to a halt after running out of petrol, requested an examination by the medical team that has airlifted him to the bivouac.

such a knucklehead
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 01:25:53 pm
Probably needs a doctors note for concussion brain fart - MRI will probably show nothing in there  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on January 14, 2021, 01:44:42 pm
Is tomorrow a reverse start again ?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 14, 2021, 01:50:35 pm
Probably needs a doctors note for concussion brain fart - MRI will probably show nothing in there  8)
did he fall or something
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 14, 2021, 01:52:05 pm
Good day at the office for the boys is Orange!

3 of the top 5 spots on the stage.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 14, 2021, 01:53:00 pm
Probably needs a doctors note for concussion brain fart - MRI will probably show nothing in there  8)
did he fall or something

Missed a refuel point and ran out of fuel...

See reply #1048  :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 02:02:07 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 02:08:31 pm
Good day at the office for the boys is Orange!

3 of the top 5 spots on the stage.

wow -well done KTM but yes as they say it aint over until...- really thought is Honda's Dakar with at least 2 podium spots
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 02:08:46 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....

I was wondering the same thing, but forgot it's normally a reverse start on the last day...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: geopat on January 14, 2021, 02:11:05 pm
Ja not sure about the authenticity of that snapchat clip but ja they do not have to refuel but they have to stop and it is a 15m decontrol as far as I know.

Turns out the fuel stop is not a control or waypoint....


Hmm - well the thot plickens then  :o   Now as speculated, surely if JBB intended to try and pull this move it would have been run past the team management and also offered to the other riders? Maybe he should have pushed the bike 30km  :imaposer:


Maybe a keyboard jockey comment, but it almost seems as if JBB finds a way not to finish the race each year?  :patch:

14:02 Barreda exits the race
It was likely to happen and now it has been confirmed: Joan Barreda has drawn his adventure to a close. The Spaniard, who had ground to a halt after running out of petrol, requested an examination by the medical team that has airlifted him to the bivouac.

such a knucklehead

So factory riders can pull a Sickie and get airlifted if they run out of fuel and quit? I wonder how long a Male moto guy would have been forced to wait for the sweeper truck to pick him up
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2021, 02:17:43 pm
Good day at the office for the boys is Orange!

3 of the top 5 spots on the stage.

wow -well done KTM but yes as they say it aint over until...- really thought is Honda's Dakar with at least 2 podium spots

They have 2 podium spots as we speak - 1st and 3rd and unless something dramatic happens tomorrow (DQ because of technical or injury), they will keep them as Sanders in 4th is 23 minutes behind 3rd Brabec. If anything - unless there is reverse order start - Brabec is in good position to get to 2nd as he is 6 minutes behind Sam, who is opening tomorrow (again - unless reverse starting order).

Edit: those 6 minutes in a way give KTM some hope that Brabec is going to push hard and possibly DQ. But given how level headed he was up to this point, I do not believe he is going to do something stupid.

Edit 2: But then - being American for whom only 1st position counts, he might actually push as he will have plenty of tracks to follow and he is less than 7 minutes behind Benavides. Will be interesting to see if he will try it or if some kind of team orders prevail. Interesting times... 8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 02:29:27 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....

I was wondering the same thing, but forgot it's normally a reverse start on the last day...

Not sure if I'd say this is the "norm".
But would be interested to know...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ace Venture on January 14, 2021, 02:33:44 pm

I hope the jacket will make it.  :o

Produced by MIRA in Cape Town. Awesome product.

Are they colour blind?  :imaposer:
Hi original plan was to ship his own WR rally build bike, but realized it was better to join the BAS team. Jacket was already made by then.

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Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 14, 2021, 02:54:45 pm
Raining in the bivouac at the moment.

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 03:09:26 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....

I was wondering the same thing, but forgot it's normally a reverse start on the last day...

Not sure if I'd say this is the "norm".
But would be interested to know...

I think James Alexander would enjoy opening up the stage, they should do it for him  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 14, 2021, 03:11:26 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....

I was wondering the same thing, but forgot it's normally a reverse start on the last day...

Not sure if I'd say this is the "norm".
But would be interested to know...

I think James Alexander would enjoy opening up the stage, they should do it for him  :biggrin:

Yep.... :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 14, 2021, 03:21:19 pm
What is this reverse start everyone is talking about?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 14, 2021, 03:25:13 pm
I am almost certain Benavides will win, followed by Brabec in 2nd and Sunderland 3rd

Why?

1. Sunderland is opening, and closing a 5 minute gap whilst opening is impossible.

2. That coupled with the fact that Brabec is starting in 6th position, he’ll have plenty of tracks to be on the pipe the whole day. He is used to gunning it an not crashing.

3. Benavides only needs follow the leaders and get up right behind Sam. Done.

All this falls apart if anyone of those crash out or this reverse start thing.

If reverse start, Sam or Brabec will take 1st.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XRRX on January 14, 2021, 03:29:27 pm
Please HONDA - hire Ross and fire Barreda!!

My patience for one is completely exhausted by his repeated un-professionalism!
He can only look better on a "bad" and unreliable bike...
I'm certain his "f'up" cost the remaining Honda riders time as well - as they would most certainly have stopped to try and assist him...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 14, 2021, 03:32:47 pm
Please HONDA - hire Ross and fire Barreda!!

My patience for one is completely exhausted by his repeated un-professionalism!
He can only look better on a "bad" and unreliable bike...
I'm certain his "f'up" cost the remaining Honda riders time as well - as they would most certainly have stopped to try and assist him...

On this note, has he finished a Dakar before as I had high hopes of him actually finishing this year.

And then how long will honda entertain his outright ruthless "style" if one could call it that!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 14, 2021, 03:37:10 pm
Please HONDA - hire Ross and fire Barreda!!

My patience for one is completely exhausted by his repeated un-professionalism!
He can only look better on a "bad" and unreliable bike...
I'm certain his "f'up" cost the remaining Honda riders time as well - as they would most certainly have stopped to try and assist him...
I didn’t follow today - How did Barreda miss the fuelling stop?


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2021, 03:46:58 pm
So what does tomorrow's stage look like?

Any reasonable opportunity for Sunderland to catch up to P1? Seeing as he opens that might be too much to ask.

Yes I know, this is Dakar and it's not over till it's over....

I was wondering the same thing, but forgot it's normally a reverse start on the last day...

Not sure if I'd say this is the "norm".
But would be interested to know...

As far as I remember - at least in South America, the last stage was always reverse order. The reasons were practical - they wanted to give weverybody who finished chance to be on the podium, but didn't want to wait till dark for Alexander. So letting the last guys go first roughly brought everybody to the podium in reasonable timeframe, without need to wait for backmarkers.

But I'm not sure in Saudi Arabia, where they have one less stage than used to be in Africa and SA. How was the last stage last year - was it reverse order or the normal one?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2021, 03:51:31 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 03:54:17 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.

Stage 12    Friday, january 15, 2021    Yanbu > Jeddah    452 km | 225 km
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2021, 03:59:12 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.

Stage 12    Friday, january 15, 2021    Yanbu > Jeddah    452 km | 225 km

Thanks  :thumleft:

Seems like proper stage, not just procession. Does anybody remember if the starting order last year was reversed?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ri on January 14, 2021, 04:00:53 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.

Stage 12    Friday, january 15, 2021    Yanbu > Jeddah    452 km | 225 km

Thanks  :thumleft:

Seems like proper stage, not just procession. Does anybody remember if the starting order last year was reversed?

If only there was a thread on this forum documenting last year's Dakar Rally... :o Oh wait... :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mulmi on January 14, 2021, 04:01:22 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.

Stage 12 Friday, january 15, 2021 Yanbu > Jeddah 452 km | 225 km
That sounds like a proper race stage. Not just a ceremony.

Very unlike ASO


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 04:12:34 pm
How long is tomorrow's stage? No info on Dakar.com.

If it is just short one as used to be the case in SA (but on Saturday) - e.g. 30 km, then probably not much will change. If it is a proper one, then there is still good change for upset in top 3. And of course the strating order will be crucial.

Stage 12    Friday, january 15, 2021    Yanbu > Jeddah    452 km | 225 km

Thanks  :thumleft:

Seems like proper stage, not just procession. Does anybody remember if the starting order last year was reversed?

If only there was a thread on this forum documenting last year's Dakar Rally... :o Oh wait... :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 14, 2021, 04:37:28 pm
Thanks goonrider  :thumleft:

Given that it is a long stage I presume this one will also not be reverse order, which used to be used only on the Saturday short parade ride.

In that case I expect first two Hondas and Sunderland 3rd or out - he usually does not stand up to pressure that well.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 14, 2021, 06:19:27 pm
James seems stuck outside WP9 for a long while.  :-\

Doesn't look good, but he just moved, maybe not?

Either way, its the "Prince of Darkness" again.  ::)

In the WP only ASS but a long way in the dark!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 14, 2021, 06:59:23 pm
James seems stuck outside WP9 for a long while.  :-\

Doesn't look good, but he just moved, maybe not?

Either way, its the "Prince of Darkness" again.  ::)

In the WP only ASS but a long way in the dark!

Just started moving again.

Jeeez, he's doing me in by degrees!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 14, 2021, 07:09:43 pm
James seems stuck outside WP9 for a long while.  :-\

Doesn't look good, but he just moved, maybe not?

Either way, its the "Prince of Darkness" again.  ::)

In the WP only ASS but a long way in the dark!

Still WP10 in between. The trucks nearly all passed him so the track is a mess...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ace Venture on January 14, 2021, 07:09:45 pm
From James....
Hi All I have terrible news I’m at the final cp but they don’t want me to go in as they can’t get medical assistance to me there are 40kms of massive dunes in the way it’s over

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 14, 2021, 07:58:49 pm
Fok 😡
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Vis Arend on January 14, 2021, 08:03:40 pm
From James....
Hi All I have terrible news I’m at the final cp but they don’t want me to go in as they can’t get medical assistance to me there are 40kms of massive dunes in the way it’s over

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Fuck, tell, them you don't need medic's.   :patch:  :biggrin: 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ace Venture on January 14, 2021, 08:53:12 pm
Great news, James back in the race.
He strongly objected and they decided to let him continue on the main road, but incur maximum penalty.
What a seriously determined Madala he is

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Constantinople on January 14, 2021, 08:54:29 pm
From James....
Hi All I have terrible news I’m at the final cp but they don’t want me to go in as they can’t get medical assistance to me there are 40kms of massive dunes in the way it’s over

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Fuck, tell, them you don't need medic's.   :patch:  :biggrin:

He basically did that!  :lol8: Said stuff it and mounted his bike about to head into the dunes no matter what they say and then they talked to race direction and he just got penalties.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 14, 2021, 09:15:07 pm
Awesome news. He deserves a finishers medal!!

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Hondsekierie on January 14, 2021, 09:16:59 pm
Awesome news. He deserves a finishers medal!!

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Oh absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 14, 2021, 09:18:00 pm
From James....
Hi All I have terrible news I’m at the final cp but they don’t want me to go in as they can’t get medical assistance to me there are 40kms of massive dunes in the way it’s over

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Fuck, tell, them you don't need medic's.   :patch:  :biggrin:

He basically did that!  :lol8: Said stuff it and mounted his bike about to head into the dunes no matter what they say and then they talked to race direction and he just got penalties.

Champion! True grit
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: soviarc on January 14, 2021, 09:48:03 pm
James is only about 60km from the bivouac... almost there. Go champ
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 14, 2021, 10:14:23 pm
&feature=youtu.be

What it cost to do tha dakar

Well done kalahari madala #117 just arrived at bivouac
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 15, 2021, 05:30:06 am
Great news, James back in the race.
He strongly objected and they decided to let him continue on the main road, but incur maximum penalty.
What a seriously determined Madala he is
This made my day! Go James!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 15, 2021, 05:52:45 am
Give that man a Bell's!!
 :wav: :blob6: :blob6: :blob5: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2: :hello2:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Blou Zebu on January 15, 2021, 06:03:35 am
Giniel kry nie veel reg met die Hilux nie. Ek stel voor hulle gebruik eerder n Hi-Ace. Niks klop hulle nie. En hy sal nog plek he vir n support team en spares
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooi Wolf on January 15, 2021, 06:19:09 am
Regardless of today's outcome, 2021 has been a fine edition.

• Lots of navigational challenges.
• The new rules around tyres and roadbooks, made for great tactical racing.
• Lots of drama and intrigue at the top of leader board.
• Saudi has got some beautifull landscapes and scenery to boost.
• Some steller performances by rookies and lesser experienced riders
• Some very good competition between manufacturers and even internally inside some teams.

Enough talking already, someone's about to take to the stage with a song..
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 06:39:14 am
Mr Teapot, Alexander the Great....is STILL IN THE RACE!  Taking maximum penalty's and taking the tar road back to the Biv, James will start in the race tomorrow. 
BAS dakar KTM racing team

like the mr teapot nickname
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on January 15, 2021, 06:43:16 am
Mr Teapot, Alexander the Great....is STILL IN THE RACE!  Taking maximum penalty's and taking the tar road back to the Biv, James will start in the race tomorrow. 
BAS dakar KTM racing team

like the mr teapot nickname

The Prince of Darkness does not give in easily.  8)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: lowrider on January 15, 2021, 06:47:15 am
So Confirmed no reverse order start....


07:32 Sunderland gets the last day underway
Super Sam Sunderland is the first rider to start the last special on the 43rd Dakar. Kevin Benavides, his main rival, will start six minutes after him. Title holder Ricky Brabec will be the sixth man out. The battle between these three men promises to be breath-taking.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2021, 07:00:59 am
Ja they out there doing it! Only two WP's and ASS - lots of waiting for times and tracker updates  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 07:09:37 am
07:56 Rossat grits her teeth to the bitter end
Among the women riders in the bike category, Audrey Rossat is about to finish her very first Dakar. Despite suffering a fractured rib on day five, pain in her wrists and a big bruise on her arm following a fall yesterday, the Frenchwoman will still be starting the rally’s last special!
sadg site

tough little cookie
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 07:47:36 am
08:39 A big blow for Van Beveren!
The nightmare continues for Yamaha! After Ross Branch, Franco Caimi, Andrew Short and Jamie McCanney, now Adrien Van Beveren, the last official representative of the team from Iwata, has run into technical problems after 30 minutes of racing...

 :sip:

SADG site
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 15, 2021, 07:57:38 am
After WP 1 its a 1 and 2 for Honda. Brabec will push till the end but with 6 min down Benavides will have to make a navigational error.

I dont mind Benavides winning - he rode a great rally

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 15, 2021, 08:05:21 am
If I'm looking at the map, Benevides looks like he's gone off to take a leak..

OK no need to panic.  All back on track....
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 08:10:38 am
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And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2021, 08:17:17 am
He is not opening anymore so no excuses although he has been struggling with tendonitis in his wrist the whole race.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2021, 08:18:31 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2021, 08:22:43 am
KB through WP2 now just to haul ASS
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Just In Time on January 15, 2021, 08:23:30 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout. 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2021, 08:34:30 am
Vocal cords being warmed up  >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2021, 08:36:01 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
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BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 08:36:18 am
Yup, he bled out till the followers caught up and that locked in the finishing positions barring a big mishap!

If he makes a 10minute mistake Sanders will probably get podium. Although for now it’s locked in.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 08:42:35 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).
Couldn’t agree more.

There needs to be a drastic change in KTM’s rider lineup. TP is the only guy there that can beat the rest of the field and he has both the rally intelligence and sheer talent/crazy to win.

Walkner and Sam are just not close to TP’s level.

But TP’s exit from bikes is closer than we think. Then KTM is stuck with, to my mind, second tier riders none of whom really are on another level like TP. To be fair, he is scarce.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 15, 2021, 08:45:08 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Buff on January 15, 2021, 08:47:00 am
KTM will do well to sign Ross when Toby moves... and I'm guessing that'll be as soon as next year.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: SpeedMetal on January 15, 2021, 08:48:02 am
Van Beveren out?

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 08:48:06 am
KTM will do well to sign Ross when Toby moves... and I'm guessing that'll be as soon as next year.
I would not be unhappy about that.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2021, 08:57:53 am

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

Not a chance for Yamaha as far as I can see. Simply because they do not care. Their 'factory team' is not factory team at all - it is team of Yamaha Europe or France or some such. If the factory itself would really put themselves behind this then they would have to develop specific bike like Honda did, spend years fine tuning it (again as Honda did) before they will get competitive. And I see no signs on Yamaha's side of that hapenning.

Sorry for Ross, but I think he is on platform that will hinder him big time. Just few years ago I was rooting for AVB big time (when he was winning and then crashed out of race in one of the last stages) and look where he is now - quietly sleeping down the rankings into oblivion.

As much as it would be little nasty for Ross to dump Yamaha just after one year, as far as I can see Yamaha is not coming (or intending to) to the party on their side. Their bike is half assed effort at converting stock MX bike into rally racer. So for Ross to have realistic chance at podium, he might need to move to KTM or Honda.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 09:00:34 am
Vocal cords being warmed up  >:D

09:34 Benavides closes in on the title
After overtaking Sam Sunderland, now Kevin Benavides is opening the way. Despite this difficult task, the Argentinean has managed to gain thirty seconds over Ricky Brabec with only 50 km left before the finishing line. The title is within the grasp of Benavides.

drumroll......

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 15, 2021, 09:03:43 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

Sleeping Gaint  !!!!!!!!!     I am afraid the real sleeping Gaint has woken up  !  Google Global sales !!!!!!!!! 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2021, 09:07:13 am
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2021, 09:09:52 am
Honda please now give us this model you teased us with to celebrate another victory, Ride Red !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 09:12:18 am

And this is once again what happens when you open a stage.

If Sunderland isn’t careful the rookie might get podium at the rate Sam is losing ground.


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By now at least 3 other guys caught up to him physically - including Benavides, so he is going to stop the time bleed just by sticking with them. However right now it is panning out as I expected 2 Hondas at the top and Sam 3rd overall.
.
BB effectively ruined Hondas sure chance of a podium lockout.

That wasn't foregone conclusion at all as far as I can see, even without relying on a wild card (or I should rather say assuredly unreliable card) as BB.

But yes, KTM has a lot work to do if they want to rein in Honda's push ahead. I think they need to rebuild their team. Despite having couple of Dakar winners there from the past, the only one I see really competitive now is TP. And I also believe that he will sooner rather than later quite bikes and move to cars - too many injuries are clear sign to move on. The others who won (Walkner and Sam) are not leaders and do not stand to pressure very well.

For me as a bike user hoping to benefit from some of the R&D done in Dakar (I'm actually riding bike build for Dakar now), it will be interesting to see next year - once Honda starts selling their bike to non factory members, how the bike will do compared to KTM which is basically default choice (the only choice more or less) for non-factory riders. The only problem is - unlike KTM - for Honda there is massive gap between their race machines and what they then offer to Joe Schmoe like me (CRF250 Rally or some such). Which is a shame. But maybe the success in Dakar will push them to come up with something exciting for general market again (like they had with XRR century ago).

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

Sleeping Gaint  !!!!!!!!!     I am afraid the real sleeping Gaint has woken up  !  Google Global sales !!!!!!!!!
If we’re talking about Delivery bike sales on this thread we might as well talk about the GS850’s delivery capability on dusty roads prowess


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 15, 2021, 09:12:24 am
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

No we are talking about motorcycle manufacturers !   You should really look at the numbers !  And and if you want to look what manufactures are capable off regarding design   same thing !
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 15, 2021, 09:13:36 am
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

Exactly
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 15, 2021, 09:15:31 am
Another thing to look forward to is where Howes will end next year, I am sure he will score a factory ride after his 2021 performance

BTW, how old is the Madala?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Xpat on January 15, 2021, 09:15:51 am
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

No we are talking about motorcycle manufacturers !   You should really look at the numbers !  And and if you want to look what manufactures are capable off regarding design   same thing !

No, you (using royal we) are talking about bike sales. Renrew was talking about Dakar race, which if you look at the bike used by the competitors is currently clearly dominated in terms of numbers by KTM and its clones. Simple as that - no matter how many exclamation marks you push.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 09:16:03 am
Just can’t compete against the Buggy’s unless you’re Nasser:

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Happy for Mr Dakar


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Renrew on January 15, 2021, 09:17:57 am
Another thing to look forward to is where Howes will end next year, I am sure he will score a factory ride after his 2021 performance

BTW, how old is the Madala?
Hows rode brilliantly indeed, very impressed.

Might take Ross’s place when he goes to KTM.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 09:18:14 am
10:01 Benavides wins the 43rd Dakar
The last special has proved to be a formality for Kevin Benavides! The Argentinean, who had to open the way after overtaking Sam Sunderland, rode at a lightning pace until the finish in order to combat a charge from Ricky Brabec. The two team-mates have enabled Honda to take the top two places on the final podium!

Yamaha should have taken one of these 34 kw 160kg puppies- they run all the way :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on January 15, 2021, 09:20:53 am
@Bappas : We are talking Dakar race here, not global sales of bikes to Indonesian farmers.

No we are talking about motorcycle manufacturers !   You should really look at the numbers !  And and if you want to look what manufactures are capable off regarding design   same thing !

No, you (using royal we) are talking about bike sales. Renrew was talking about Dakar race, which if you look at the bike used by the competitors is currently clearly dominated in terms of numbers by KTM and its clones. Simple as that - no matter how many exclamation marks you push.

The royal we shall wait until next year ! 
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dwerg on January 15, 2021, 09:21:31 am
Honda please now give us this model you teased us with to celebrate another victory, Ride Red !

I also hope the success leads to a 450 rally or at least a replacement to the XRR but it's wishful thinking. I only rode a 690 because Honda doesn't sell anything that comes close
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mulmi on January 15, 2021, 09:22:35 am
Me and my son were discussing riders and prep for a race like this now. And as he is 16 years old and in a rugby school the topic of steroids came up as it normally does.

Are the riders tested in anyway. With the beating their bodies endure.

Has any rider ever been ejected for drugs?  I mean this is an ASO event like TdF.


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2021, 09:23:03 am

I agree, I think KTM needs a reshuffle. I like Matias, humble and eager. He had a big mishap, but smiled while fixing it and then soldiered on like each day like a champ. Don't think he stands out on Nav like Ross does.

Think Honda put a lot of effort into the team's Nav skills and it showed last year already. They have also come a long with with engine failures, etc. Much like where Yamaha is now.

Really hope Yamaha can grow through this like Honda did. They have  really good talent with Adrian and Ross there. Give  them 2 more years.

But if the sleeping Giant KTM does not wake up soon, might be hard to keep up.

We used to have the Greats like Depress and Coma, a bit of TP. But now, it seems so much more level and open regarding the skill off all, no one is really light years ahead. So if Yamaha can sort them selves out, then we would have a nice  3 way manufacture battle going forward

Not a chance for Yamaha as far as I can see. Simply because they do not care. Their 'factory team' is not factory team at all - it is team of Yamaha Europe or France or some such. If the factory itself would really put themselves behind this then they would have to develop specific bike like Honda did, spend years fine tuning it (again as Honda did) before they will get competitive. And I see no signs on Yamaha's side of that hapenning.

Sorry for Ross, but I think he is on platform that will hinder him big time. Just few years ago I was rooting for AVB big time (when he was winning and then crashed out of race in one of the last stages) and look where he is now - quietly sleeping down the rankings into oblivion.

As much as it would be little nasty for Ross to dump Yamaha just after one year, as far as I can see Yamaha is not coming (or intending to) to the party on their side. Their bike is half assed effort at converting stock MX bike into rally racer. So for Ross to have realistic chance at podium, he might need to move to KTM or Honda.
Yes sad for a manufacturer with so much Dakar history to put in such a poor showing. For years now the Yamaha Dakar bike is a year to year hybrid YZ / WR try this and see what happens effort. They need a Yamaha Japan R&D dedicated rally bike project.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2021, 09:28:18 am
Well done Honda could have been a 1 - 2 - 3 if not for BB's brain fart

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 15, 2021, 09:33:19 am
Me and my son were discussing riders and prep for a race like this now. And as he is 16 years old and in a rugby school the topic of steroids came up as it normally does.

Are the riders tested in anyway. With the beating their bodies endure.

Has any rider ever been ejected for drugs?  I mean this is an ASO event like TdF.


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This event is governed by the rules of the FIM.
As such all their anti doping regulations apply.

Yes competitors do get tested. I'm not of aware of anyone being DQ'd for any transgression.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Tman21 on January 15, 2021, 09:35:59 am
Me and my son were discussing riders and prep for a race like this now. And as he is 16 years old and in a rugby school the topic of steroids came up as it normally does.

Are the riders tested in anyway. With the beating their bodies endure.

Has any rider ever been ejected for drugs?  I mean this is an ASO event like TdF.


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All international sporting bodies have to belong to WADA if im not mistaken so there would be some sort of protocol for spot checks at registration etc.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: goonrider on January 15, 2021, 09:37:04 am
Bikers are good honest blokes, they don't dope  ;) O0
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: XT JOE on January 15, 2021, 09:50:29 am


PIERRE CHERPIN (Biker #111- FRA) PASSED AWAY

During his transfer by medical plane from Jeddah to France, Pierre Cherpin died  from the injuries caused by his fall during the 7th stage from Ha’il to Sakaka on January 10th.
The driver crashed at km 178, around 1:00 p.m. Doctors found him unconscious when they reached him by helicopter. Taken to Sakaka’s hospital, the medical report revealed a severe head trauma with loss of consciousness. Urgently operated in neurosurgery, he had since then been kept in an induced coma, his condition having remained stable over the past few days. He was airlifted from Sakaka to Jeddah’s hospital from where he was going to be transferred to Lille’s hospital.

Passionate about wide open spaces, Pierre Cherpin was participating in his fourth Dakar. His first participation was back in 2009, when the Dakar took place for the first time in South America. He signed up in the “malle moto” category and came back in 2012 still in the same category. He completed the race both times. He came back for a third time in 2015 but he had to give up after an engine failure.

Six years later, in 2021, he joined the same category, known now as the "Original by Motul".  He was driven by the curiosity of discovering a new continent. On the evening of the 6th  stage, he was standing on the 77th position of the overall classification.

This 52-year-old entrepreneur and sailing enthusiast, had no other ambitions than to live an adventure, without really worrying about the podium: "I am an amateur, I don’t want to win but to discover landscapes that I would never have had the opportunity to see otherwise. Everything is exciting: riding the bike, living your passion, getting to know yourself”.

The entire Dakar caravan would like to extend its sincere condolences to his family, relatives and friends.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Serf on January 15, 2021, 09:53:42 am
Sad news-- Pierre Cherpin passes away
Sad news. RIP

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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on January 15, 2021, 09:56:39 am
RIP Cherpin

Well done to Honda for 1st and 2nd place
I will be back next year to cheer for Team Red once again  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on January 15, 2021, 10:00:47 am
Skyler Howes take a bow. Privateer coming 5th overall!

That takes some doing!

I really like his attitude - he literally sold everything he had to ride. HIs support team is Baz Trucks, I am pretty sure they'll be giving him a hefty financial thanks.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: madmax on January 15, 2021, 10:01:05 am
RIP CHIRPIN

CONGRATS BENEVIDES

ROSS THE MAN
BUT JAMES THE MAN OF MEN
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on January 15, 2021, 10:05:56 am
 :'(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: roxenz on January 15, 2021, 10:32:18 am
I'm thinking that Kristine Landman would have done well in this year's edition with her good navigation and more careful approach...
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 15, 2021, 10:35:30 am
I'm thinking that Kristine Landman would have done well in this year's edition with