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Title: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on October 02, 2020, 08:15:21 am
Are we going to have a different manufacturer win this year . . . ???
I am sure that i will be forgiven for skelmpies shouting for a certain Yamaha rider . . .  :patch: :lol8:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Clockwork Orange on October 02, 2020, 11:31:26 am
 :thumleft: I wont be skelm about it....Ross all the way!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cracker on October 02, 2020, 03:10:07 pm
He's riding a Yamaha??

Jeez, talk about doing things the hard way .........................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on November 12, 2020, 06:12:54 pm
See Gazoo is fielding 4 crews in the 2021 Dakar and one of the navigators are named Brett Cummings. Is that the Brett that has done a couple of Malle Motos?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on November 12, 2020, 06:17:59 pm
See Gazoo is fielding 4 crews in the 2021 Dakar and one of the navigators are named Brett Cummings. Is that the Brett that has done a couple of Malle Motos?
I will ask his uncle . 😎
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: windswept on November 12, 2020, 07:33:57 pm
I reckon it is the same Brett that did the Dakar. Rallyerider 2 on WDs.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on November 13, 2020, 06:13:08 am
And Tye in a cage navigating  :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Welsh on November 13, 2020, 07:36:34 am
I reckon it is the same Brett that did the Dakar. Rallyerider 2 on WDs.

Confirmed by his uncle, Brett is with Henk Lategan in the Hilux, they won the championship this year so high hope.  :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: sidetrack on November 13, 2020, 07:50:47 am
This years route looks like an oval track around Jeddah  ::)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Bappas on November 13, 2020, 09:13:13 am
:thumleft: I wont be skelm about it....Ross all the way!!

Thats why they sped the money !  Slowly wear you down Ha Ha
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: ClimbingTurtle on November 13, 2020, 09:18:13 am
And Tye in a cage navigating  :P

With Brian - they have been working hard - they look good!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 14, 2020, 01:41:47 pm
This uncle says it's an all new route, every bit of it and they have deliberately made it slower and more technical. Every stage includes dunes (last year I learnt that that isn't as obvious as I thought it might be, it's isn't just sand everywhere over there)

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 14, 2020, 01:49:16 pm
An Article on Toyota Gazoo Racing's 2021 Dakar efforts:

https://newsroom.toyota.eu/toyota-gazoo-racing-to-field-four-new-hilux-at-2021-dakar-rally/

(https://content.presspage.com/uploads/1523/800_tgr-dkr-138.jpg?10000)

complete with a pic of Brett whom some of us were fortunate enough to meet at his Wild Dogs Dakar fundraiser a couple of years ago, in case there was still any doubt it isn't the same chap now navigating in a bakkie :P
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rallyerider 2 on November 16, 2020, 09:56:58 pm
Thanks to all for the support. I look forward to reading this feed after Dakar. Here are some pics of our training last week in Namibia.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: gser on November 17, 2020, 11:37:22 am
Sub  . . . .
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Spectaitor on November 17, 2020, 12:00:39 pm
Subbed
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: skydiver on November 17, 2020, 02:31:12 pm
Looking forward to the race
Go Honda and Yamaha!!!!!  :ricky:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on November 17, 2020, 02:36:12 pm
S-U-B!!

Lekker to have an actual factory crew member on here.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 19, 2020, 02:37:30 pm
By: Sergio Lillo | motorsport.com (http://motorsport.com)
The 2021 Dakar Rally will feature the lowest participation of the last 25 editions as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Compared to the 541 participants (334 vehicles) of the last South American edition in Peru in 2019, and the 563 (342 vehicles) of the first Saudi edition in 2020, the 2021 Dakar will have 440 participants (266 vehicles), according to the provisional entry list published by organiser Amaury Sport Organisation.

This represents a 22% drop in participants and a 24% drop in registrations, the lowest since 1995.

Despite the significant drop in entries, there will be no shortage of favourites in motorcycles, with all KTM, Honda, Husqvarna, Yamaha, Hero and Sherco riders in the list.

In the cars category, Carlos Sainz Sr and Lucas Cruz will sport the #300 after winning their third Dakar this year.

The rest of the top drivers will be also there, including Nasser Al-Attiyah, Stephane Peterhansel, Sebastien Loeb with the new BRX T1, Nani Roma, Giniel de Villiers, Yazeed Al Rajhi and Jakub Przygonski.

In addition, it remains to be seen how many will be registered for the new Dakar Classic, the regularity competition for historic vehicles that aims to revive the legacy of the rally.

“We know that we will have less competitors, that’s almost for sure,” he said.

“We have worked a little on the price offer, but we will surely lose registrations due to the world economic situation. The important thing is to be able to go ahead with the 2021 Dakar in Saudi Arabia.”

Castera and the roadbook team have been completing the route of the 43rd edition of the Dakar several times since last September. The event will be officially presented on November 25.

The number of participants is still subject to change, as there are usually last-minute changes ahead of the start of the event.

Source: motorsport.com https://rallystar.net/dakar-2021-participation-the-lowest-in-25-years/ (https://rallystar.net/dakar-2021-participation-the-lowest-in-25-years/)
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on November 19, 2020, 03:42:25 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: m0lt3n on November 19, 2020, 03:58:25 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.

Yes please

I think sometimes you get some non-standard issues we dont always realize, share some ideas or solutions or drama moments....we are hungry for anything
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Ross Riddle on November 24, 2020, 11:57:17 am
SUB! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: chicco on November 24, 2020, 12:55:26 pm
 :sip:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Rooies on November 24, 2020, 01:02:51 pm
Jissie, super-sub!


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Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 24, 2020, 08:32:34 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 24, 2020, 08:50:27 pm
A summary of the key changes made to the rules, by Long Way Home.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Kamanya on November 24, 2020, 09:17:40 pm
- No fixing in the fuel stops is going to make things interesting. Fuel stops are neutralised zones, so there are no penalties for fixing your bike in them. Now if you want to fix your bike, you are going to have to do it in the timed section. So every second spent fixing it is going to cost.

- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

- Speed zones? Not sure where they'll have them, but from experience, it's boring trying to stay within a k or 2 of a limit for hours on end if the track is ok. It's flipping hard when the track can't be ridden safely at the speed limit, because you slow down for the tricky bits and then want to open up for the flatter stuff only to have to remember not to go over the limit.

- Airbags, can only be a good thing for safety, I bet the wallet is going to sting badly!

There is a classic division where anything that raced pre-2000 is allowed in. Wonder what'll be in there?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 25, 2020, 02:00:22 pm
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on November 25, 2020, 02:40:59 pm
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: mark250gp on November 25, 2020, 04:28:05 pm
Health and Safety regulations are destroying everything, make two classes in all racing!

Class one for the bunny huggers and all their restrictions, class two for the brave that dont mind risking their lives with no restrictions on anything, full speed flat out, flat taps on machines that are at the pinnacle of development.

And then the same at Olympics, a class for the slow people and the second class for people so full of roids their dicks have fallen off and their tits have shriveled up.

I know which races I'll watch.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Cracker on November 26, 2020, 11:11:30 am
The tyre problem can be solved by developing tyres that last longer, perhaps use 50/50s or similar. Whatever will last 2 or 3 days of hard riding.

Then the fast guy can still ring it's neck, he'll just be travelling a bit slower.

In essence, he'll be riding a crap bike as fast as he can. Same goes for the slow guy.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 26, 2020, 03:14:31 pm
I agree Dutchie.
At some point it becomes a regularity rally instead of a race.

Although, make no mistake, there is skill involved in conserving tyres.
Theoretically they should leave tyre numbers open, but all tyre changes should be done by the rider and be included in your race time. Then, the rider decides whether to cane a tyre and spend the time to swop it versus saving the tyre and saving on changing time.

While we are talking theoretically, they should discard mandatory bivouacs. Competitors should decide whether to stop and rest or not..... :pot:
Let's see what the Pro's are like with minimal sleep.

This right there :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: I&horse on November 26, 2020, 04:21:33 pm
Almost time again!!
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on November 26, 2020, 08:00:27 pm
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on December 01, 2020, 05:23:01 pm
- Limited to 6 rear tires. That makes it just another thing to consider in the strategy and certainly riding style. I wonder if you're going to find lower order guys who have tires left being able to donate their tyres?

How many tyres did the flatout guys use previously? Surely considerably more than 6... a new one every race day?

I am all for the safety and I feel a lot is being done about that in areas that make sense by, in order of logical sense imo; a) a more technical course with less fast sections and b) speed control zones (although if this one is overdone it could just be crap for various reasons), but this is not only a race of attrition, it's still a race of fastest guy to the end wins. The way I see it, this rule has the theoretical (exaggerated?) potential of limiting the fastest guys from being exactly that.

I'd be pissed if I was faster than you but had to dawdle about at the same pace as you, to save my tyre while you're riding at your best pace because your best pace consumes less rubber.

Or am I being full of shit?

Hey Dutchie i also agree with you. These top guys go there with their super fast bikes to go and and ride superfast  . . .  >:(
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: JK on December 01, 2020, 05:27:37 pm
@Rallyerider 2

If you can ever get yourself some connectivity whilst on the race and throw a few lines in here, it would be hugely appreciated.

Also, any info on the car you care to share. There's a bunch on rally nerds, myself included, who love anything to do with rally.

Yes for sure any bits u are allowed to share on those awesome sounding bakkies will be much appreciated. 8)
And huge congrats to you guys getting the nod for the Dakar we will be supporting you guys for sure  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: bud500 on December 02, 2020, 10:12:10 am
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Also, sad to see VW has stopped all their Factory Racing projects.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:05:18 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:11:30 pm
I see Audi announced they'll be heading for Dakar in a hybrid.
Not in 2021 though.

Indeed, 2022 apparently.



Gaan nie lieg nie, daai prentjie van die Audi onder die seil maak my bietjie jags.
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2020, 04:15:56 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
No money for sponsors?
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 03, 2020, 04:19:07 pm
Not a single Saffer in the bikes category this year?

https://storage-aso.lequipe.fr/ASO/motorSports_dak/dakar2021-engages-moto.pdf
No money for sponsors?

Probably spot on with that. This Covid thing man  >:(


Just a nice vid from and of Simon Marcic looking the part in every regard.

Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: RobC on December 03, 2020, 04:30:39 pm
Ross Branch is on the list, he is part Saffer... >:D
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dux on December 04, 2020, 10:27:29 am
David Knight entered as a rookie  :biggrin:
Title: Re: DAKAR 2021
Post by: Dutchie on December 04, 2020, 11:19:54 am
David Knight entered as a rookie  :biggrin:

It looks like he's confirmed now.  :thumleft:

He had a main sponsor pull out recently and he had to start up a GoFundMe to try and raise the shortfall in really short time. Even as late as early to mid November it was still not certain if he'll be able to go. He had to make the final decision (know if he'll have enough cash raised) by 1 December, the date the bikes get shipped for the race and it looks like he's indeed remaining on the entry list and will race.

There's no doubt that the man has immense trials and enduro talent and he says he's been training exclusively for the Dakar for the last 18 months.

This has the potential to be pretty damn interesting. :sip:

EDIT: Knighter's GoFundMe (https://www.gofundme.com/f/knighter-to-dakar-2021?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link_all)