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Title: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Trygve Roberts on October 29, 2020, 05:38:02 pm
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Important Notice.
The Old Postal Route has been permanently closed to all bikers and 4x4's.

Please read the letter below which has been sent to us by the farm owner. This is a sad state of affairs guys. Your comments are welcome.


I am contacting you in regards to the "old postal route". I farm on Achterfontein which is situated on the so called "old postal route" that I see you have included in your website.   

Somehow people started advertising this route on all sorts of forums and posting videos on YouTube and  telling the story of this route that was used by a young woman to deliver post between Elandsvlei and Wupperthal. This is all a myth.

The original "postal route" is a walking trail between Wupperthal and Elandsvlei hugging the banks of the Tra-Tra river and did not run over the mountain crossing our farm.

The route running through our farm is for the most part a private road maintained by me and our neighbors. It was build by farmers and only a portion of it was proclaimed as a public road in 1980 in order to get it upgraded by the then "distriks raad".

The problem we have with the advertising of this route is that our farm roads are being destroyed on a weekly basis by people on motorcycles. We have no more privacy and peace and quiet on our own farm. I have on numerous occasions gone out to rescue hurt and dehydrated bikers at my own expense and loss of family time having to leave my wife and children alone and returning sometimes at 10 at night. I have picked up rubbish, confronted people just camping on our farm and making fires or people turning my planted rooibos fields into a motocross track. A lot of people come racing through our farmstead at 60 to 70 km/h. I have small children and dogs that can seriously get hurt by this irresponsible behavior. This weekend I damaged my bakkie tyre on rescue mission to get a hurt biker to hospital. 

We are basically fed up by people thinking this is a public road and space where they can do as they see fit. It costs us tens of thousands of rands a year trying to keep our road in a condition where we can use it on a weekly basis to go to town as well as to transport our produce.

This is private property and not open to the public. We are in the process of getting signs made that we will put up and then we will be closing down the route permanently.

I would appreciate your help in regards to this situation.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Kind regards

Henk Bakker
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: dual on October 29, 2020, 05:43:33 pm
Sad then, a few culprits killing it for all
Luckily I've done it once

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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Crossed-up on October 29, 2020, 05:56:00 pm
I'm so sorry to read this. Although it doesn't surprise me much.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on October 29, 2020, 08:11:48 pm
It was inevitable that this would eventually happen.
We have seen guys on dirt bikes go ripping through there as if its a race.
The last time we went through there we took 11.5 hours from Oasis and back there again, taking our time and enjoying the scenery. Going past the farmstead, we always re-group a few hundred meters before the fence then ride through at little more than walking pace. Stick to the established road, no going cross-country.  No littering, not even cigarette butts!
No fires. Keep traction control on to prevent wheel spinning wherever possible (the notable exceptions is Karretjies Pass uphill, and along the river bed in the deep sand, if you cross that side).
But there are always a few who have little consideration for others, who ruin things for everyone else.
So sad that this had to happen. 
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: geopat on October 29, 2020, 08:52:51 pm
This is the end of one of the capes iconic routes sad sad day and fuck the guys that ruin it for everyone
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Rooi Wolf on October 29, 2020, 09:10:54 pm
This is so sad to hear!!

Truly an epic part of the country. Feeling blessed that I have experienced it..

Hopefully some sort of agreement can be reached in the future, to mutually benifit Henk Bakker and all potential adventurers.

Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Hinksding on October 29, 2020, 09:14:28 pm
 :'(
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: benreaper on October 29, 2020, 09:26:16 pm
I haven't been on the Postal route yet and had it on my bucket list, so hearing this is quite a buzz kill.

As mentioned above, maybe some sort of mutually beneficial system, perhaps in the form of a permit could be brought in place to control the flow of traffic.

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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: JC on October 30, 2020, 06:11:14 am
ek sal tolgeld betaall om daar te ry
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Dux on October 30, 2020, 06:37:40 am
I have done it twice , loved it both times , both times  we stopped to talk to the farmer and even got invited to join his family for breakfast .
But , as with so many venues or routes in the past the behaviour of a few spoils it for everyone 
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Kaboef on October 30, 2020, 06:56:09 am
Dis seker weer die blerrie KTM ryers wat so gespin en gemors het.
Varke.

Dit is baie jammer dat die roete gesluit is. Maar as ek Henk was, het ek dit ook gedoen. Vir elkeen met n halwe verstand is dit duidelik dat n groot deel van die roete op mense se privaatgrond is. Dan gedra jy jou.

Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: mike gs on October 30, 2020, 07:01:05 am
Perhaps time will heal Henk's anti biker sentiment. Can't say I blame him. Maybe a permit system is/can be introduced where a fee is charged, or even a proper deposit that is refunded when the guys have moved through? It's something that was on my bucket list.



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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Roadhawg on October 30, 2020, 07:10:29 am
Ya he should take this as an opportunity. Make it a payable route. Payment and ID copy first. Then you can go through. Iím sure most decent folks would be happy to pay a reasonable fee and he can make some money off it and have some rules in place.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Enzo on October 30, 2020, 07:18:59 am
The one constant it seems as one gets older is that everything starts closing in.

Year after year new gates and fences get put up on my town limiting access to the mountain.

Neighbors putting up higher fences.

Gate closed on the Hekke pad to touws rivier.

The randjiespad coming down from Sutherland to Merweville also locked

The main reason I moved from Gauteng and the UK to come live in the WC

Did Postal twice and both times we called ahead and made sure it was ok and stopped to check in with the farmer.

There are countless other routes like this that go close by farmsteads and can see attitudes of people living there changing towards us.

Next? Riverbeds in kaokoland ?

Freedom lost

Why? Entitlement of a few and unprepared riders not looking after themselves also the emotive issue of farm safety is used - Irony now is less traffic from decent people that can look after themselves makes it unsafe because less eyes.

Adventure riding has now become mass sport not unique anymore so now letís get a permit for everything like Europe.

Inevitable .

Canít blame the owner


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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Oubones on October 30, 2020, 07:42:38 am
I hope this serves as a wake-up call to those responsible to change their behavior.
It is really sad that many routes are being lost due to irresponsible behavior by a few.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: BuRP on October 30, 2020, 08:08:14 am
fuck the guys that ruin it for everyone

I hardly think one of them ever will read here....  :-[

This is a pity, but can't blame the boer an inch!
Been there, very nice route indeed, and a darn shame it will be gone!

Here's an idea, for those knowing the owner:
Talk to the man, and suggest to install a 'TollBox' at his homestead where every rider should put monies into when passing!
Say R50 or whatevs, and this steel box should be safe against vandals at his home.
Such will not only financially compensate the man for his maintenance endeavours but also will instill a certain awareness that this route is actually owned by someone!
Such, and I imagine there will also be some signs displaying this Private Toll Route phenomenon along the route, should result in a better if not more careful behaviour of those using it - of which I hopefully will be one again!  :thumleft:

Look, the man is obviously gatvol, this after years of having been a pain in his bottom but still helping those stranded who do need help... let's help the man instead?
Money makes the world go round after all, and for free only the Sun comes up!
I herewith will contribute to the cost of the various signs to be put up plus the TollBox etc!  :thumleft:
If someone(s?) will liaise with the owner and carry the above over - of course wholly adaptable to whatever he wants to change - then this will be appreciated!
Add your suggestions here or shoot my kak idea down, but I think we the bikers should at least try to do something to 'save' this route for future visits - legal visits I mean, not ignorant attempts to violate the man's rights, he owns it after all.
Please?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Dux on October 30, 2020, 08:14:19 am
fuck the guys that ruin it for everyone

I hardly think one of them ever will read here....  :-[

This is a pity, but can't blame the boer an inch!
Been there, very nice route indeed, and a darn shame it will be gone!

Here's an idea, for those knowing the owner:
Talk to the man, and suggest to install a 'TollBox' at his homestead where every rider should put monies into when passing!
Say R50 or whatevs, and this steel box should be safe against vandals at his home.
Such will not only financially compensate the man for his maintenance endeavours but also will instill a certain awareness that this route is actually owned by someone!
Such, and I imagine there will also be some signs displaying this Private Toll Route phenomenon along the route, should result in a better if not more careful behaviour of those using it - of which I hopefully will be one again!  :thumleft:

Look, the man is obviously gatvol, this after years of having been a pain in his bottom but still helping those stranded who who need help... let's help the man instead?
Money makes the world go round after all, and for free only the Sun comes up!
I herewith will contribute to the cost of the various signs to be put up plus the TollBox etc!  :thumleft:
If someone(s?) will liaise with the owner and carry the above over - of course wholly adaptable to whatever he wants to change - then this will be appreciated!
Add your suggestions here or shoot my kak idea down, but I think we the bikers should at least try to do something to 'save' this route for future visits - legal visits I mean, not ignorant attempts to violate the man's rights, he owns it after all.
Please?

 :thumleft: Agree with you on this , ultimately it all depends on the little called respect
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Enzo on October 30, 2020, 08:17:03 am
Also agree a R5000 recovery fee, sign forms on entry - same as doodsakker


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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 30, 2020, 08:27:11 am
fuck the guys that ruin it for everyone

I hardly think one of them ever will read here....  :-[

This is a pity, but can't blame the boer an inch!
Been there, very nice route indeed, and a darn shame it will be gone!

Here's an idea, for those knowing the owner:
Talk to the man, and suggest to install a 'TollBox' at his homestead where every rider should put monies into when passing!
Say R50 or whatevs, and this steel box should be safe against vandals at his home.
Such will not only financially compensate the man for his maintenance endeavours but also will instill a certain awareness that this route is actually owned by someone!
Such, and I imagine there will also be some signs displaying this Private Toll Route phenomenon along the route, should result in a better if not more careful behaviour of those using it - of which I hopefully will be one again!  :thumleft:

Look, the man is obviously gatvol, this after years of having been a pain in his bottom but still helping those stranded who do need help... let's help the man instead?
Money makes the world go round after all, and for free only the Sun comes up!
I herewith will contribute to the cost of the various signs to be put up plus the TollBox etc!  :thumleft:
If someone(s?) will liaise with the owner and carry the above over - of course wholly adaptable to whatever he wants to change - then this will be appreciated!
Add your suggestions here or shoot my kak idea down, but I think we the bikers should at least try to do something to 'save' this route for future visits - legal visits I mean, not ignorant attempts to violate the man's rights, he owns it after all.
Please?
Seems like a sensible approach. The risk is that those who donít care will simply cut the locks, ride over the fence and definitely not contribute to an honesty box of sorts.

I would recommend by appointment only access based on payment received prior. A combination lock with regularly changed code could be used and such details shared upon booking. Limited riders allowed per day etc.

You would also need coordination from both directions to make it work. The owner clearly doesnít have time or appetite to administer bookings etc. So Iím not sure about the practicality.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: meteldog on October 30, 2020, 08:32:05 am
Adventure biking has exploded in the last couple of years and will most probably remain unregulated.

Bikers without any respect for landowners, the proud so called "stealth campers" speed freaks and others were always going to cause this situation. Sadly more will follow.

Perhaps a solution to this will be as with access to other areas of the Cederberg for hiking would be the issuing of access permits for a fee. Gerrit at the Oasis does this already for hiking trails in the area. That would then regulate the number of bikers, bring the farmers in some income and at least also look after safety as someone will know who is on the route. There have been so many cases of lost bikers on that route over the years.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Black_Hawk on October 30, 2020, 08:45:46 am
This is indeed very sad to hear, but it don't surprise me at all.

Some people have no respect for other people's property. How would you feel if somebody comes speeding down your street or property, throwing litter, making a noise etc?

I grew up on a farm an I respect other people's property. I basically idle through a farmers property and if I see the farmer, I slow down and wave at him and sometimes I even stop and introduce myself and have a nice chat. A couple of times I was even invited for a cup of coffee and then this quick stop ended up in an hour of chatting to a complete stranger.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: VaalBaas on October 30, 2020, 08:48:09 am
Dis hoe baie van ons dit doen my maat, maar ai :'(
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: OomD on October 30, 2020, 08:51:46 am
Damn, was on my bucket list too. What a pity, but fully understandable. The farmer is doing what he needs to do.

Perhaps a pay system can be implemented, including recovery fees, etc?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Constantinople on October 30, 2020, 09:03:44 am
Adventure biking has exploded in the last couple of years and will most probably remain unregulated.

Bikers without any respect for landowners, the proud so called "stealth campers" speed freaks and others were always going to cause this situation. Sadly more will follow.

Perhaps a solution to this will be as with access to other areas of the Cederberg for hiking would be the issuing of access permits for a fee. Gerrit at the Oasis does this already for hiking trails in the area. That would then regulate the number of bikers, bring the farmers in some income and at least also look after safety as someone will know who is on the route. There have been so many cases of lost bikers on that route over the years.

This may be the best. Oasis to do the admin. I don't think the farmer has the time. Tygerberg Moutainbike Club here in the Durbanville/Bellville area basically also creates, administrates and maintain a massive amount of trails on private farms. +100km with about +7000 members. And only a few missteps here and there.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Kaboef on October 30, 2020, 09:21:24 am
If I was a tour operator, I would jump at this opportunity to talk to the farmer and get exclusive concession to run groups on the Old Postal Route.

You will make money, the farmer will make money, and it will still be open to guys who want to pay to ride a spectacular route.

Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: BuRP on October 30, 2020, 09:36:26 am
I would recommend by appointment only access based on payment received prior. A combination lock with regularly changed code could be used and such details shared upon booking. Limited riders allowed per day etc.
........ The owner clearly doesnít have time or appetite to administer bookings etc. So Iím not sure about the practicality.

I hear you - and do/don't agree, too complicated!
KIS is my idea.
Cederberg Oasis still has (?) an honesty bar (yeah, I've heard about the odd ^&*#@ not adhering to such honourable principle, they're immature dishonest bastids...), but on the whole this seems to work!
Same here I hope, never mind the odd asshole who will not contribute.... but it keeps things simplest, and with it perhaps we stand a chance to 're-open' this route, I see nothing wrong with at least trying it!
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Dux on October 30, 2020, 09:58:33 am
I would recommend by appointment only access based on payment received prior. A combination lock with regularly changed code could be used and such details shared upon booking. Limited riders allowed per day etc.
........ The owner clearly doesnít have time or appetite to administer bookings etc. So Iím not sure about the practicality.

I hear you - and do/don't agree, too complicated!
KIS is my idea.
Cederberg Oasis still has (?) an honesty bar (yeah, I've heard about the odd ^&*#@ not adhering to such honourable principle, they're immature dishonest bastids...), but on the whole this seems to work!
Same here I hope, never mind the odd asshole who will not contribute.... but it keeps things simplest, and with it perhaps we stand a chance to 're-open' this route, I see nothing wrong with at least trying it!
Agree with both sentiments , but it is up to the farmer to allow any access , I would think it wise to abide by his wishes for a few months and then get someone to approach him .
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Kamanya on October 30, 2020, 10:23:37 am
The very first Iíve heard of his issues, or, that a section of the road was private.

Iíve/we've always ridden slowly past his house and stopped or waved hello to anyone there. Iíve helped a few people Iíve come across, casevacíed/pillioned a broken wrist out and heard of some nightmares but never thought someone was grinding his gears about it.

Heís obviously one of those guys who would never ask a cent or say No to rescues or requests, even if it costs him precious time, money or sanity. Itís worn him and his family down and now the straw has broken the camelís back. We and he can bitch about bad behaviour of bikers and 4x4'ers, but, he's been passive about this until now.

Of course, if the route is over private land and he wants to close it, that's his prerogative. However, if he simply put up a sign at both ends both educating people on how to behave and that there will be a cost attached to both using the trail and a reasonably stiff fee if there needs to be a recovery. Use a deposit box at the farm or Snapscan and I am pretty sure heíd be a happier man.

Unfortunately, guys like this, once they've made up their minds...
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Wayne on October 30, 2020, 10:32:08 am
Problem with putting signs up is that idiots cannot read.

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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 30, 2020, 10:37:49 am
and a reasonably stiff fee if there needs to be a recovery.

Problem is why does he have to do the recovery? Most times it is over weekends his time off if a farmer ever have "off" so still using the road and paying to do so will be good, but who is going to do the hospital and broken down bike recoveries?

I think best way is by " giving" the route to a tour operator and he takes groups through there with backup vehicle and pay the farmer to use the road.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Lord Knormoer on October 30, 2020, 11:12:22 am
and a reasonably stiff fee if there needs to be a recovery.

Problem is why does he have to do the recovery? Most times it is over weekends his time off if a farmer ever have "off" so still using the road and paying to do so will be good, but who is going to do the hospital and broken down bike recoveries?

I think best way is by " giving" the route to a tour operator and he takes groups through there with backup vehicle and pay the farmer to use the road.
Agree. We all need to understand that even if the farmer charges a nominal fee, he still does not benefit in any way.

There arenít enough vehicles passing through to cover the cost of repairing the road, nor would it be a financial incentive for him to have his peace disturbed ober weekends. To make it worth his while to reconsider from a financial point of view, the fees would be prohibitively expensive and not attractive for is.

I like the idea of an operator of sorts but it doesnít address the issue of those that transgress. These individuals will not care much for signs, tolls and/or locked gates.

From the farmerís point of view itís much better to close it completely and treat anything that moves as a trespasser.

The solution would have to offer zero inconvenience and deliver meaningful benefit to the farmer. Iím thinking donations of time/resources/funds towards road maintenance for example. Controlled and guided access ensuring rules are followed etc because if he has to get up from his Sunday afternoon nap even once, it all goes back to complete road closure.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Kamanya on October 30, 2020, 11:34:20 am
I'd like to know, exactly what part of that trail is private and public?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Kamanya on October 30, 2020, 11:36:15 am
If anyone is well suited to make that a concession, Tankwa Tented Camp or Oasis are both ideally positioned.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on October 30, 2020, 11:07:19 pm
As a tour operator and a regular through the OPR, I have been in communication with the farmer that wrote that letter.
He is not unreasonable but its not only him that is gatvol, but his neighbors too.
They are not interested in a permit system for numerous reasons.
The admin burden is one. Furthermore, who gets the money, or which landowner gets how much of it?
They would have to create a conservancy, or a Trust, both if which takes up valuable time they donít have.
He would have to push a road around his fenced off homestead. Time, resources and money.
The money that permits would generate will not cover the maintenance and repairs to the existing road, plus they honestly do not have the time to carry out ongoing repairs. Not at R50 per head as are those for the Cederberg sites (Stadsaal, Truitjieskraal, etc).
For now we need to consider the road closed to the public.
I am going there in 2 weeks time and will discuss options and possibilities on 14 Nov.
Hopefully I will be able to post something positive here upon my return.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Bring It On on October 31, 2020, 07:55:15 am
As a tour operator and a regular through the OPR, I have been in communication with the farmer that wrote that letter.
He is not unreasonable but its not only him that is gatvol, but his neighbors too.
They are not interested in a permit system for numerous reasons.
The admin burden is one. Furthermore, who gets the money, or which landowner gets how much of it?
They would have to create a conservancy, or a Trust, both if which takes up valuable time they donít have.
He would have to push a road around his fenced off homestead. Time, resources and money.
The money that permits would generate will not cover the maintenance and repairs to the existing road, plus they honestly do not have the time to carry out ongoing repairs. Not at R50 per head as are those for the Cederberg sites (Stadsaal, Truitjieskraal, etc).
For now we need to consider the road closed to the public.
I am going there in 2 weeks time and will discuss options and possibilities on 14 Nov.
Hopefully I will be able to post something positive here upon my return.
Truly sad indeed that this route has been closed.... But do understand both Henk & all other affected farmers frustration & reasons for taking this decision.

I've had the privilege of enjoying that route quite a few times over the years & have made a point of always stopping at the main farm house each time to say hi to Henk & found out how they were doing. Sadly though, each time I'd stop there he'd express his frustration of how some groups of bakkies &/or bikes that have passed through their land, either caused damage to their property or hugely inconvenienced them in some or other way.

Really hoping that someway, after your visit, you'll be able to give some positive feedback.

Keep us posted.

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Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Sprocketbek on October 31, 2020, 08:10:08 am

For now we need to consider the road closed to the public.


I just hope people respect that.
There are some that just won't understand that, I'm afraid  ::)
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2020, 10:33:13 am
Geez, people can't read, or comprehend, or both.

The farmer clearly states that the road he needs to transport their produce on is being trampled and damaged.

It's clearly the GS Boxer guys doing this, again.

 :pot: :pot:

I have done this route, going both ways, about 6/7 times. It is sad that Farmer Brown is cutting us out, but I have wondered at the lack of rest/peace the farmer and family must have with the escalating popularity of this route.

If I was a farmer today, I would adapt to our times and welcome more traffic, lest the farm murderers is the only visitors remaining.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ChrisL - DUSTRIDERS on October 31, 2020, 12:59:41 pm

The farmer clearly states that the road he needs to transport their produce on is being trampled and damaged.

It's clearly the GS Boxer guys doing this, again.


Ek dog jou opinie is dat geen GS daai roete kan ry so useless is hulle?!! ;) :peepwall:
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on October 31, 2020, 01:31:14 pm

The farmer clearly states that the road he needs to transport their produce on is being trampled and damaged.

It's clearly the GS Boxer guys doing this, again.


Ek dog jou opinie is dat geen GS daai roete kan ry so useless is hulle?!! ;) :peepwall:

Dis die probeer wat so skade maak, Chris. :peepwall:
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: wjn on November 01, 2020, 06:34:13 pm
Have now planned to do the OPR twice....and bailed both times the day before due to various reasons, so this one will remain on the bucket list indefinitely it seems. Such a shame.

The land ownersí frustration is understandable, and justified if their road is being damaged by weekend warriors. I hope some form of mutually beneficial arrangement will be reached that would allow future use of the route.

Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 01, 2020, 06:41:39 pm
Have now planned to do the OPR twice....and bailed both times the day before due to various reasons, so this one will remain on the bucket list indefinitely it seems. Such a shame.

The land ownersí frustration is understandable, and justified if their road is being damaged by weekend warriors. I hope some form of mutually beneficial arrangement will be reached that would allow future use of the route.

I believe that route to have definite financial benefits for a shrewd organiser, but it needs to be the farmer as too many hands will slice profit.
I was planning to still take my wife over it in the car sometime. Shows you, do things, or risk not getting it done.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: dirt rat on November 02, 2020, 06:30:32 am
Our pastime passion is becoming a victim of its own success.The growth in numbers of both dualsport riding and 4x4 travel will inevitably lead to more restrictions and regulations.
Even our own forum plays a huge part in accelerating this process.Previously only really dedicated riders would seek out the more obscure routes - now ride reports advertise these routes to all.
Sad but such is life.Even Baviaanskloof is changing all the time -more paving on previously challenging sections with the result that it becomes more accessible to more people.
Don't procrastinate - do the trip now - it may be gone tomorrow.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: VaalBaas on November 02, 2020, 08:22:37 am
Have now planned to do the OPR twice....and bailed both times the day before due to various reasons, so this one will remain on the bucket list indefinitely it seems. Such a shame.

The land ownersí frustration is understandable, and justified if their road is being damaged by weekend warriors. I hope some form of mutually beneficial arrangement will be reached that would allow future use of the route.

I believe that route to have definite financial benefits for a shrewd organiser, but it needs to be the farmer as too many hands will slice profit.
I was planning to still take my wife over it in the car sometime. Shows you, do things, or risk not getting it done.

Did the route twice by bike from Tankwa to Biedouw and very glad that me and Vaalnoi did it earlier this year by car the other way over. Had a long chat with Henk that day about me wanting to come and show my son the beauty over a year or 2......

Hopefully there will be a solution to this as in one of the proposals above ....or more hopefully he will remember our conversation :biggrin:

Realy sad about this :'(
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: masehare on November 02, 2020, 11:41:07 am
Have now planned to do the OPR twice....and bailed both times the day before due to various reasons, so this one will remain on the bucket list indefinitely it seems. Such a shame.

The land ownersí frustration is understandable, and justified if their road is being damaged by weekend warriors. I hope some form of mutually beneficial arrangement will be reached that would allow future use of the route.

I believe that route to have definite financial benefits for a shrewd organiser, but it needs to be the farmer as too many hands will slice profit.
I was planning to still take my wife over it in the car sometime. Shows you, do things, or risk not getting it done.

Remember if a person pays to use a facility he expects some benefit for his money. If he pays, he can now shred up the road and will have a dedicated team on standby to medivac him in case of an accident. Just playing devil's advocate here.

I was also under the impression that this was a public road which might lead some people to think the road is maintained by the local municipality.

Anyway, sad day. Some good memories of trips there.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Grunder on November 02, 2020, 01:57:48 pm
Have now planned to do the OPR twice....and bailed both times the day before due to various reasons, so this one will remain on the bucket list indefinitely it seems. Such a shame.

The land ownersí frustration is understandable, and justified if their road is being damaged by weekend warriors. I hope some form of mutually beneficial arrangement will be reached that would allow future use of the route.

I believe that route to have definite financial benefits for a shrewd organiser, but it needs to be the farmer as too many hands will slice profit.
I was planning to still take my wife over it in the car sometime. Shows you, do things, or risk not getting it done.

Remember if a person pays to use a facility he expects some benefit for his money. If he pays, he can now shred up the road and will have a dedicated team on standby to medivac him in case of an accident. Just playing devil's advocate here.

Like people driving rental cars like they stole it!!  ;)

I agree with the "business model" approach to the route.
This way they can then cover the costs for maintenance of the road due to the few.

They're are many of us out there who have respect for the wonders of the world and will keep doing so.


The more pressing matter here is the fact that he mentions its not the real Old Postal Route....  :eek7:
So most people who "did" the Old Postal Route now "did" nothing  :lol8:
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: shark_za on November 02, 2020, 02:05:44 pm
If you want to do the postal route you need to go ride by the river it seems.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Appel on November 02, 2020, 05:18:12 pm
If you want to do the postal route you need to go ride by the river it seems.

You're going to have to carry your bike through there. There is no trace of any road/track at all!  Believe me, we've looked.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Pietertjie on November 02, 2020, 06:56:58 pm
What is really great is that, reading through ride reports, not a single WD ever contributed to this by not respecting the road and locals, everyone went through at walking pace and chatted fo the farmer.

It is really good to know all of this is because of other people.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Dux on November 02, 2020, 08:01:51 pm
What is really great is that, reading through ride reports, not a single WD ever contributed to this by not respecting the road and locals, everyone went through at walking pace and chatted fo the farmer.

It is really good to know all of this is because of other people.

Feeling guilty
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Pietertjie on November 02, 2020, 09:10:48 pm
What is really great is that, reading through ride reports, not a single WD ever contributed to this by not respecting the road and locals, everyone went through at walking pace and chatted fo the farmer.

It is really good to know all of this is because of other people.

Feeling guilty

Why are you feeling guilty?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: 2StrokeDan on November 02, 2020, 09:59:28 pm
What is really great is that, reading through ride reports, not a single WD ever contributed to this by not respecting the road and locals, everyone went through at walking pace and chatted fo the farmer.

It is really good to know all of this is because of other people.

You sarcastic thing, you! :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Sprocketbek on November 02, 2020, 11:28:30 pm
I will just have to treasure the memories of the last time I did it  8)
I rate it as the best route ever in WC  :'(

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=67389.msg1379887#msg1379887

Sorry about the Photobucket spoiler...  :(
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Dux on November 03, 2020, 05:36:55 am
I will just have to treasure the memories of the last time I did it  8)
I rate it as the best route ever in WC  :'(


I agree wholeheartedly

 
What is really great is that, reading through ride reports, not a single WD ever contributed to this by not respecting the road and locals, everyone went through at walking pace and chatted fo the farmer.

It is really good to know all of this is because of other people.

Feeling guilty

Why are you feeling guilty?

Nope , not at all , anyone that had ridden with me knows  the way I ride , if I want to be windgat I will ride an enduro bike on a designated track as will most of the riders I know . When you ride with some of the guys here you realise it is very possible to ride fast without sliding , spinning etc and actually doing no more damage than someone riding slowly . In most cases the scenery dictates the pace not the speed of the bike/rider .
Talking to the farmer , yes , when the man opens the gate for you the courteous thing to do is to have a chat , believe me , with some of the forum members it is impossible for them not to , the trick is to get a word in yourself .
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on November 06, 2020, 04:48:49 pm
For those that doubt that this is a private road, here is the current map direct from the WC Roads Department of all official public roads.
You will see that only the western portion is a public road. The Eastern portion is all private road.
So essentially this is no longer a through road.
The dotted line along the right-hand edge, separates the Western Cape (shaded green) from the Northern Cape (white).
You can check for yourself here:
https://rnis.westerncape.gov.za/rnis/map.main (https://rnis.westerncape.gov.za/rnis/map.main)
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: espresso on November 12, 2020, 01:50:12 pm
Hi Ultraflight, how can one look at these maps as an overlay with a map with place names (Towns, road names?)
It's really difficult to find what is where?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on November 12, 2020, 03:01:55 pm
Sorry, but that is the only version they provide.  You need to be familiar with the roads to identify them.
When exploring an unfamiliar area, I put that map on one screen, and T4A on another screen and use that to locate the roads I seek.
In the top-right-hand corner (on a PC, slide the horizontal bar all the way over to the right), you can switch off the smaller roads, then you can start with just the highways, pan and zoom to an area of interest, then start enabling the smaller roads until you find the one you seek.

In the past, they had labels, but those seem to have disappeared, probably because it got too cluttered.

They had a much better map which highlighted all the gravel roads, colour-coded by current condition, at:
https://rnis.westerncape.gov.za/rnis/kml_jobs_display.draw_map?p_job_id=5
However that project seems to have been abandoned, which is a great pity.  Again you need to scroll all the way to the far top-right to switch on layers according to condition.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: espresso on November 16, 2020, 01:40:38 pm
If I look on the map, it shows the Old Postal Route as a minor road.  Does this mean that it's a private road?
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on November 16, 2020, 05:31:23 pm
Which map? The one I posted above?
Henkís father had a portion of the road proclaimed, thereby converting that section only, to a public road.
It is definitely not a through road.
The authorities have been there only once ever, shortly after the road was proclaimed, and have not done any road maintenance since then. It has fallen onto the three landowners along that stretch to maintain and repair the ďpublicĒ road, at great effort and expense to themselves. The portion of road that is private, is now very definitely closed to the public, which means the Old Postal Route as we know it, is no longer accessible.
There will be signboards erected very soon declaring the road private property, no access without permission.
There will also be signs at the beginning of the public road warning that there is no way through to the other side, to save people the time, stress & effort of having to turn around much deeper in.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: ultraflight on November 16, 2020, 05:47:53 pm
Our group met with Henk Bakker on Saturday as planned.
He is not unreasonable at all.
After experiencing the deterioration of the road for ourselves, it is clear that there has been extensive damage in places.
Karretjies Pass is now in a dangerous condition.
There is no doubt that the volume of traffic through there has grown to unreasonable levels that the road simply cannot sustain.
We encountered three 4x4 heading Westward (after getting very lost) and one Swiss couple heading Eastward. Apparently even weekdays now sees much tourists passing through in 4x4 or on bikes.
This is the unfortunate consequence of the route becoming well known as the news spread of its existence.

Realise that these landowners need to use that route to get their produce to market, to go buy supplies and to fetch their children from boarding school for weekends. They have every right to close off the private portion of the route, to protect their own rights and access to the outside world.

For now, we have to accept that this route will remain closed for the foreseeable future.
Henk did mention that they might relook at limited access possibilities sometime in the future.
We shall stay in touch and hopeful that once things quieten down, some form of arrangements can be made for controlled and limited access.
Title: Re: Old Postal Route Closed
Post by: Hondsekierie on November 18, 2020, 10:41:37 pm
Duidelik het daardie boere te veel geld  ;)

Ek sou baie mooi geld gemaak het met die ou klomp oortreders wat so graag daar wil ry.  En vir die internasionale toeriste sou ek die rand sommer omgedraai het in dollars of euros.  Dan bou ek n mooi ou oornagplekkie waar ek die die ouens nog verder kon laat betaal het om my mooi pad te kom ry. 

Ek glo daar is egter klaar operateurs wat hierdie, kom ons noem dit konsessiegeleentheid, oorweeg.  Geen admin vir die boer wat sy geld kan tel terwyl hy op die stoep sit  :lol8: Solank hulle net nie besluit om daai pad te teer met al die winste  :pot:

(Darem self die geleentheid gehad om daardie pad te kon ry, nooit geweet dit was privaat pad/grond, maar so leer ons.  O ja, en niks paaie of lande stukkend gespin nie)