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Title: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 19, 2020, 06:52:13 pm
As in the Title....are they worth it?? 2 Tubes (21 and 18 wheel) are around R 1500 for both.

I'm worried about punctures and taking a tonne of levers and tools etc etc to fix it alongside a road.

Or are there other alternatives??

THANKS :thumleft:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: LouisXander on December 19, 2020, 06:53:16 pm
Ja, dis die moeite werd
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Noneking on December 19, 2020, 06:56:16 pm
Price seems a bit high.....
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: LouisXander on December 19, 2020, 06:57:06 pm
Startline it's 450 each I think
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 19, 2020, 06:59:10 pm
Ja, dis die moeite werd

Enige ander beter opsies, soos "moose"?? of daai " Fugit " goed of so iets?

Dis vir 'n Tenere 600, gaan maar hoofsaaklik grondpad en trails ry, teerpad so 90/100 km/h.

Dan......'n curve ball: Kan mens daai rims modify dat hulle tubeless tyres vat of nie rerig nie??

Moet se, het vir my een laaitie HD tubes in sy YZ 250 gesit so jaar terug en nog nie puncture gekry nie

DANKIE
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 19, 2020, 07:01:27 pm
Price seems a bit high.....

Ook so gedink, was vanoggend by (bekende) bike shop in Bloem in, die mannetjie vra my R 770.........EACH.

Oom weet dalk fokkol van bike ry af maar Oom weet redelik baie van Pryse.......... >:D
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Tony the Boney on December 19, 2020, 07:04:01 pm
As long as you don't do high speeds.
Tyres get hot and wobbly .
Otherwise you're OK  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Crossed-up on December 19, 2020, 07:13:58 pm
And avoid running at very low pressure (1.5 Bar or less) for too long. The valves can tear out depressingly easily.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Grumpleton on December 19, 2020, 07:14:53 pm
I run them on both my 950 and 690, I like them  and never had problems with them on dirt or on tar , run both bikes in excess of 135 km/h and never had a problem. I do carry standard tubes as spares because I would not like to get a heavy duty tube in a rim on the rode side .having never had a puncture with them and I also run that green slime in them as well.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: chopperpilot on December 19, 2020, 07:37:13 pm
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: BliknÍrs on December 19, 2020, 08:09:57 pm
Ek wil nie Petri se thread hijack nie maar Petri het ook gevra oor mousses?
Ei sien daar is op takealot vir R1500 elk?
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 19, 2020, 08:22:27 pm
Thanks sover.

Daai mousses........maak hulle nie die steering "swaar" nie, en sal hulle nie moeilikheid maak op teerpad nie (warm word ens ens)........??

@Grumpleton

I like your setup, seems thats way to go. That slime - what do you use??

Ek sal dan seker maar spare tubes saamry ook, maar phok.......dan nog tyre levers, spanners, rim savers, en jy moet die ding nog dan pomp ook, so dis ekstra pompie of gas botteltjies en alles. Waar gaan EK sit met al daai gadgets wat saamry.........??
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Mapog on December 19, 2020, 08:38:24 pm
Ek ry die UHD tubes met slime op my plaasfietse. Ek weet wat n puncture is nie.
Daar is 3 groot bikeshops Bloem. Probeer almal.
Honda?
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 19, 2020, 08:50:38 pm
Ek ry die UHD tubes met slime op my plaasfietse. Ek weet wat n puncture is nie.
Daar is 3 groot bikeshops Bloem. Probeer almal.
Honda?

OK ek dink ek is convinced.......HD tubes met slime. Mapog kry mens HD en dan Ultra HD tubes??

Maar ja, dit IS 'n issue vir my, as ek kan vermy om al daai goete heeltyd saam te ry " just in case " sal dit GREAT wees. Ek weet anyway nie hoe om 'n tyre te change nie, en gaan BESLIS my rims opdonner as ek sou probeer
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: chopperpilot on December 19, 2020, 08:51:22 pm
Los die mousses.

Hulle hou nie van hitte nie.

Voorlaaste dag van ons rit in die Damara- en Kaokoland saam met Hardy hulle, toe gee die mousse in die agterband mee.


Onverklaarbaar het Bertie/Straatkat se 500, beman deur Duncan Cacket, net 5km vantevore ook die agterste mousse verloor.

Ons het maar staande, met gewig na voor, die laaste 30km na White Lady kamp aangepak.

Selfde agterband en tipe mousse. Die mousse in my 500 was nie nuut voor hierdie avontuur, soos Bertie sin nie.

Glo die lang dag, amper 300km, het sy tol geeis.



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Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 19, 2020, 09:32:19 pm
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Kan nie regtig dink dat ek sukkel om tubes met slime te patch nie, n ou maak maar net met n solvent skoon en dan grof met n mes of stukkie skuurpapier.  Meer tricky is n butyl tube, hy vulcanise nie, jy moet n rubber gom gebruik.  Vroeer die week 7 gaatjies gepatch.  Slime was orals.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Sprocketbek on December 19, 2020, 10:06:37 pm
Ja, dis die moeite werd

Elkeen moet maar sy eie besluite maak.
Ek het dit al gebruik maar 'n deeglike doring sal homself deurwerk.

Ek is maar weer terug op gewone, goeie kwaliteit binnebande.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Sabre on December 19, 2020, 10:45:22 pm
Thanks sover.

Daai mousses........maak hulle nie die steering "swaar" nie, en sal hulle nie moeilikheid maak op teerpad nie (warm word ens ens)........??

@Grumpleton

I like your setup, seems thats way to go. That slime - what do you use??

Ek sal dan seker maar spare tubes saamry ook, maar phok.......dan nog tyre levers, spanners, rim savers, en jy moet die ding nog dan pomp ook, so dis ekstra pompie of gas botteltjies en alles. Waar gaan EK sit met al daai gadgets wat saamry.........??
Petri, jy is op die punt om in die spiraal ingesuig te word. "Gesoek, tasse en tenksak vir 'n 500 Yammie......"  ::)  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Cracker on December 19, 2020, 11:23:08 pm
No use running HD or UHD with high pressures. Just use the skinny tubes. A nail cares not for a high pressure tube with no give. Low pressures, sure, use them. That's what they're for.

Once you've had a puncture, you'll be putting a skinny in anyway, which will stay there till your next tyre change.

AND, you've gotta carry the HD tube for the rest of your trip.

AND, if you tend to have a beer or two after a days ride, you won't be fixing the tube until you're home.

Best thing you can do is become proficient in changing tubes, then a puncture is nothing more than a nuisance.

Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 20, 2020, 06:57:34 am
Like John pointed out, running low pressures on HD tubes is bad news, unless you have at least two decent rimlocks on your wheel.

They tear a valve out quicker than a R1 hits the limiter.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Grumpleton on December 20, 2020, 07:00:30 am



@Grumpleton

I like your setup, seems thats way to go. That slime - what do you use??



the product is called Tyre slime and you can get it from most tyre shops or bicycle shops. same product just in different size bottles.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: chopperpilot on December 20, 2020, 07:30:47 am
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Kan nie regtig dink dat ek sukkel om tubes met slime te patch nie, n ou maak maar net met n solvent skoon en dan grof met n mes of stukkie skuurpapier.  Meer tricky is n butyl tube, hy vulcanise nie, jy moet n rubber gom gebruik.  Vroeer die week 7 gaatjies gepatch.  Slime was orals.
Dankie vir die advies.

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Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: LouisXander on December 20, 2020, 07:52:20 am
My ondervinding is ook Dat n heavy duty nie regtig Hou van om gepatch the word nie.

Enigiemand anders dit AL ondervind?
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Greeny on December 20, 2020, 08:26:36 am
Cytech converted the rims on my 2006 Triumph Scrambler to tubeless a couple of weeks ago--also involved buying a new set of tubeless tyres. They told me that they do on average about six bikes a month, and have been for years with great success, apparently.  Anyone hear differently?  I had been considering it, then last month I got a puncture in the rear wheel. What a ball ache, but luckily a buddy was close by with a trailer.  Now transpose that scenario to somewhere far from friends and family and, for me anyway, not something I want to experience. Just getting the wheel on and off the Triumph on my own was difficult, in fact I couldn't get it back on without help. Hopefully I won't get another puncture but I do feel a bit better knowing that a plug should do the trick.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: PiknWyn on December 20, 2020, 08:29:41 am
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Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Splash on December 20, 2020, 09:56:05 am
Feel more comfortable with heavy tubes. Something to do to minimise hassle. If it makes a real difference, theoretically a nail cares not.
I agree that at low pressures it most probably helps. I always carry a small hand pump and if the terrain allows I drop my tyre pressures with less risk to the tube. Just got to remember that once one is going to ride at high speeds to pump them back up. Not unusual for me to do that almost every ride. This is with a 500 though. My 350 has mousses, not going to even try tubes.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Tampan on December 20, 2020, 11:09:36 am
I have HD tubes in both my 990ís tyres. Never had any issues and definitely way less punctures than with normal tubes.
Also never had issues at speeds of up to 170 km/h.
That said, I had both my tyres balanced and I think this is quite crucial with HD tubes, if youíre planning on doing higher speeds.

I carry normal tubes for spares, together with all the tools needed. Everything fits easily into an Enduristan tail pack, fastened on the luggage rack. I tried using CO2 bombs and a small bicycle pump once, after repairing a rear puncture - only once. The CO2 bombs couldnít get the rear tyre up to pressure and I was left with the bicycle pump. Got the tyre hard enough but couldnít get the bead seated.
That day cured me and I bought a Desert Fox compressor. Built it in under the seat, wired it to a toggle switch and never looked back.
There are even smaller compressors available - small enough to carry in your back pack.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: dirtWarp on December 20, 2020, 11:09:50 am
What @Cracker said.

- UHD + slyme weighs a LOT
- XTZ already has poor suspension, adding more rotational mass won't help.
- Removing UHD from a tire is more difficult.
- Patching UHD is sketchy
- High initial price with low chance of reuse after 1st puncture

Rather:
Become proficient at changing tubes. Do all wheel/tube related tasks yourself, especially when you are home (don't have the local shop fit new tires for you etc)

I found that doing this, had me less concerned about suffering a puncture. When buddies had a bad day, I could gladly assist them.

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Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: ianb on December 20, 2020, 12:45:58 pm
You get Standard tunes 1.2mm thick, then HD tunes 2mm or 2.5mm then you get Extra HD tunes 4mm thick. I prefer the Standard or next up HD. Definitely not extra HD.  IMO. The rotational mas really messes up the handling with the very heavy tubes.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Hinksding on December 20, 2020, 02:16:04 pm
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Kan nie regtig dink dat ek sukkel om tubes met slime te patch nie, n ou maak maar net met n solvent skoon en dan grof met n mes of stukkie skuurpapier.  Meer tricky is n butyl tube, hy vulcanise nie, jy moet n rubber gom gebruik.  Vroeer die week 7 gaatjies gepatch.  Slime was orals.

Snaaks hoe ondervindings verskil. Ek sit geen slime in tubes nie. Ek al verskeie tubes weggegooi agv patches wat lostrek, op my eie bike, sowel as plaasbikes.

Ek wil ook nie n thread hijack nie, maar ek hoor niemand iets sÍ van BEADBREAKERS nie?
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Bill the Bong on December 20, 2020, 07:21:22 pm
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Kan nie regtig dink dat ek sukkel om tubes met slime te patch nie, n ou maak maar net met n solvent skoon en dan grof met n mes of stukkie skuurpapier.  Meer tricky is n butyl tube, hy vulcanise nie, jy moet n rubber gom gebruik.  Vroeer die week 7 gaatjies gepatch.  Slime was orals.

Snaaks hoe ondervindings verskil. Ek sit geen slime in tubes nie. Ek al verskeie tubes weggegooi agv patches wat lostrek, op my eie bike, sowel as plaasbikes.

Ek wil ook nie n thread hijack nie, maar ek hoor niemand iets sÍ van BEADBREAKERS nie?

As dit n butyl tube is, dan werk vulcanizing fluid (solution) nie.  Dit moet geplak word.  Rema se blou buisie byvoorbeeld.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Grumpleton on December 20, 2020, 07:21:37 pm
R 700 is te duur.

Shop rond.

Dit is die moeite werd.

Beslis meer puncture bestand as ń dun binneband.

Die swaardiens binneband blyk ook rondom ń doring te seŽl.

Wanneer ek nuwe bande laat opsit, word ek meestal ingelig dat daar dorings in die binneband was.

Ander vreemde voorwerpe gaan seker die binneband meer en makliker as ń doring beskadig.

As jy iets soos slime insit, kan jy nie die tube patch nie, maar jy kan ń spaar dun 21 duim binneband saamry. Baie manne ry so.

Tubeliss conversions, soos speek nipples met Sikaflex seŽl is gevaarlik, omrede die band wanneer dit pap word, na die middel van die rim beweeg en hantering gevaarlik raak.

ń Tubeliss rim, het ń lip om die band in posisie te hou.

Met goeie bande en dik tubes, het ek nog nooit ń papwiel gehad, wat moes reg gemaak word nie. Net stadige lekke.

Ek behoort myself te kan help, maar is nie bedrewe met band regmaak nie.

Ry saam met iemand wat kan, en betaal met ń koue bier of twee!

Dik binnebande help snake bites te voorkom.

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Kan nie regtig dink dat ek sukkel om tubes met slime te patch nie, n ou maak maar net met n solvent skoon en dan grof met n mes of stukkie skuurpapier.  Meer tricky is n butyl tube, hy vulcanise nie, jy moet n rubber gom gebruik.  Vroeer die week 7 gaatjies gepatch.  Slime was orals.

Snaaks hoe ondervindings verskil. Ek sit geen slime in tubes nie. Ek al verskeie tubes weggegooi agv patches wat lostrek, op my eie bike, sowel as plaasbikes.

Ek wil ook nie n thread hijack nie, maar ek hoor niemand iets sÍ van BEADBREAKERS nie?

side stand makes a great bead breaker , you just need to make sure you have a buddy with out a puncture with you.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Herklaas on December 20, 2020, 07:45:58 pm
Ja, dis die moeite werd

Enige ander beter opsies, soos "moose"?? of daai " Fugit " goed of so iets?

Dis vir 'n Tenere 600, gaan maar hoofsaaklik grondpad en trails ry, teerpad so 90/100 km/h.

Dan......'n curve ball: Kan mens daai rims modify dat hulle tubeless tyres vat of nie rerig nie??

Moet se, het vir my een laaitie HD tubes in sy YZ 250 gesit so jaar terug en nog nie puncture gekry nie

DANKIE

Koop Heidenues , daai bande gee nie probleme nie, sorg net dat jy goeie tubes gebruik.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: CycleC on December 21, 2020, 11:03:10 am
A quality Michelin 4mm HD tube should not cost more than R450 to R 500. HD tubes are good, just don't to crazy high speed. Keep the tyres inflated to the correct spec and you will be good- YES it is worth it
 
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: cracklin on December 21, 2020, 01:13:33 pm
With regards Heavy duty tubes one needs to make a distinction between pure natural rubber tubes and Butyl rubber tubes (synthetic rubber).

To save costs some tube manufactures make their tubes from synthetic rubber (a copolymer of isobutylene with isoprene) also known as Butyl rubber .

This creates problems when patching such tubes i.e normal patch solution does not adhere very well to synthetic rubber and such a patching bond inverably fails.

 Ideally one should opt for pure rubber tubes.

German made Heidenau tubes are pure rubber and vary between R380 -R430 per tube Vat inclusive, depending on size

https://bikegear.co.za/product-category/browse-by-accessories/touring-accessories/heavy-duty-tyre-tubes/
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 22, 2020, 08:12:43 am
Thanks sover.

Daai mousses........maak hulle nie die steering "swaar" nie, en sal hulle nie moeilikheid maak op teerpad nie (warm word ens ens)........??

@Grumpleton

I like your setup, seems thats way to go. That slime - what do you use??

Ek sal dan seker maar spare tubes saamry ook, maar phok.......dan nog tyre levers, spanners, rim savers, en jy moet die ding nog dan pomp ook, so dis ekstra pompie of gas botteltjies en alles. Waar gaan EK sit met al daai gadgets wat saamry.........??
Petri, jy is op die punt om in die spiraal ingesuig te word. "Gesoek, tasse en tenksak vir 'n 500 Yammie......"  ::)  :biggrin:

Klaar gekry.......sulke MOERSE goed. As daai nie 'n subframe buig nie weet ek nie. Aluminium bokse, ek sal hulle obviously net so bietjie minimise........ >:D

Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Spectaitor on December 22, 2020, 09:01:23 am
I bought an 18" HD tube, was promised it would fit in my 17" and it didn't, so if anyone wants it for 3 clip....
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: m0lt3n on December 22, 2020, 09:09:31 am
I bought an 18" HD tube, was promised it would fit in my 17" and it didn't, so if anyone wants it for 3 clip....

if Petri doesnt take it I would like to please?

The heavy duty tubes with slime solution have also been working very well for me
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 22, 2020, 09:22:37 am
I bought an 18" HD tube, was promised it would fit in my 17" and it didn't, so if anyone wants it for 3 clip....

if Petri doesnt take it I would like to please?

The heavy duty tubes with slime solution have also been working very well for me

Spec - its yours if you want it, you called first!! :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Spectaitor on December 22, 2020, 10:07:42 am
I possibly have a 21" too, need to check if I put it in or not.
@m0lt3n or @petri oosthuizen (whoever wants it) send me a number to contact you and I'll send some photies on whatsapp.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: BuRP on December 22, 2020, 01:49:21 pm
Klaar gekry.......sulke MOERSE goed. As daai nie 'n subframe buig nie weet ek nie. Aluminium bokse, ek sal hulle obviously net so bietjie minimise........

Petri, jy weet daai goed breek bene ne?
Wil net se....
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on December 22, 2020, 01:56:51 pm
Klaar gekry.......sulke MOERSE goed. As daai nie 'n subframe buig nie weet ek nie. Aluminium bokse, ek sal hulle obviously net so bietjie minimise........

Petri, jy weet daai goed breek bene ne?
Wil net se....

Burp - my bene is BAIE kort >:D
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 06, 2021, 01:47:13 pm
Sorry just another quick one please.

My Ten's tyre sizes are "3.00 - 21"  Front and " 130-80-18" Rear.

Does this matter if I get the HD Tubes, or can I just order 21 and 18 '??

Also, where to get this from please, seems like the Heidenau Rubber ones are the best, so that's what I would like.

A Member Supplier would onbiously be 1st prize, would like to support in here.

THANKS
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: IceCreamMan on January 06, 2021, 01:54:41 pm
It will only take the prevention of one puncture to make them worth while and you will probably never even know.

They are for peace of mind, that can be expensive sometimes.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Robin Brown on January 06, 2021, 01:55:31 pm
If you are carrying them as spares then buy normal. HD are extremely hard to change when punctured in the bush. Also Michelin is agood brand and repairable with patches
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: TeeJay on January 06, 2021, 02:11:35 pm
Those prices - bliksem  :eek7: - and just recently I gave 2 brand new heavy duty tubes away (21 and 18 inch) - anyway - hopefully the new owner appreciates it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 06, 2021, 02:18:59 pm
Sorry just another quick one please.

My Ten's tyre sizes are "3.00 - 21"  Front and " 130-80-18" Rear.

Does this matter if I get the HD Tubes, or can I just order 21 and 18 '??


Also, where to get this from please, seems like the Heidenau Rubber ones are the best, so that's what I would like.

A Member Supplier would onbiously be 1st prize, would like to support in here.

Guys thanks, please see in Bold Red above?? Sorry I know this must be a dom vraag......maar ek is dom met die goete.

THANKS
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: cracklin on January 06, 2021, 02:21:44 pm
Have changed tubes many times off road and find no difference in effort between HD and normal tubes.
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: m0lt3n on January 06, 2021, 03:11:45 pm
petri I think you can just fit the normal 21 and 18.

I normally buy mine from Tracmac, I dont think Heidenhaus tubes are better than Michelin
you can also check bikegear if flyingbrick doesnt have
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Roxtar on January 08, 2021, 11:58:50 am
Never mind the HD tubes, I have been running UHD tubes in my 990 at normal pressures for a few years now... last time I had a puncture was before I ran UHD tubes  :thumleft:

Not sure where you price these but I pay around R900 for Michelin UHD for BOTH wheels.

Concerning speed, I had both wheels balanced when UHD were fitted and even up to 200kmh no vibration/shake.... way to go imo (bar tubeless) unless you like spending your arvie on your knees wrenching rims while sweating in the dust... ;D
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Odd Dog on January 12, 2021, 05:05:18 pm
I'm a bit late here as usual but why not convert both rims to tubless?
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 13, 2021, 08:52:01 am
Guys PLEASE assist here.

My tyre sizes are front 3.00 - 21

Rear 130/80/18.

..........Would a Heidenau 140/80/18 also fit on the 130/80/80 size??

And then what the HELL do I buy for the front, they talk about 90/90 - 21 sizes and all that?? (edit - looks like mine is same as the other Tenere, 90/90/21, so sorted here).

PLEASE try help me here, I want to order but dunno what.

Looking at 3,5 - 4mm UHD tubes, Heidenau or Michelin, in above sizes.

PLEASE - I'm really dom with these things and want the correct Product, thanks!!
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: Roxtar on January 13, 2021, 01:27:07 pm
You can do as per both questions Petri, go Michelin if you can imo. :thumleft:
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 01:48:11 pm
Guys PLEASE assist here.

My tyre sizes are front 3.00 - 21

Rear 130/80/18.

..........Would a Heidenau 140/80/18 also fit on the 130/80/80 size??

And then what the HELL do I buy for the front, they talk about 90/90 - 21 sizes and all that?? (edit - looks like mine is same as the other Tenere, 90/90/21, so sorted here).

PLEASE try help me here, I want to order but dunno what.

Looking at 3,5 - 4mm UHD tubes, Heidenau or Michelin, in above sizes.

PLEASE - I'm really dom with these things and want the correct Product, thanks!!

Petri, you buy tubes according to your rim/tyre sizes. If you just ask for a 18" tube, you could end up with a tube for a rear wheel on a DT125, or a 990, which are both 18".

Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 13, 2021, 02:01:24 pm
Petri, you buy tubes according to your rim/tyre sizes. If you just ask for a 18" tube, you could end up with a tube for a rear wheel on a DT125, or a 990, which are both 18".

Het hom so Dan. Maar op my voor tyre is die size " 3.00 - 21". Maar die ander Tenere se voorband lyk redelik identies, sy size op die tyre is " 90/90 - 21", so ek dink daai size is reg, ek kan hom so bestel.

My agter tyre is 'n " 130/80/18 ", maar ek sien NERENS daai size HD (Michelin of Heidenau) tube nie, die enigste wat ek sien is 140/80/18

.......dit was my concern, of daai agter tyre size tube (140) reg sal wees in my tyre (130).
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 13, 2021, 07:47:30 pm
Reggekom baie dankie aan almal vir Raad en Advies.

Het 130/80 (regte size) agter tube gekry, Michelin UHD, hoop hy werk OK.

Supplier het nie voor ook Michelin UHD gehad nie, het toe Heidenau HD gekry vir voor by ander Supplier.

Ek hoop om binnekort so 5/6/7/7 dae se solo trippie met die ou XT te kan doen, en puncture fixes en kits en tools en pompies is NIE deel van my beplanning nou nie. Gaag maar anyway gravel en hier en daar seker maar oor 'n klippie of iets ry, so ek dink ek sal OK wees.

Maar ja, thanks almal - ek weet nou so 1% meer van bike bande af as 'n week terug >:D
Title: Re: Heavy Duty Tubes - Worth it??
Post by: dirtWarp on January 14, 2021, 12:53:46 am
Nou nie meer relevant vir jou nie, maar uit al ons bike trips, sover ek kan onthou, was meeste pap wiele aan die voorkant.

Maak sin want oor die algemeen is die agter groter knobs etc.

Ek het nou mousse voor en agter maar gaan agter n tube gooi.

As die voor mousse die helfte so lank hou as Poskitt s'n, is ek happy.



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