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Title: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Redline1 on December 30, 2020, 04:08:21 pm
Anyone carry CO2 cartridges (bombs) with them on rides instead of a compressor? After being let down by a faulty compressor and fuses being blown, I've decided to try the simpler bomb and adapter route. I've bought a few 25g and some 16g cartridges, but how many would I need to use to get to about 2 bar for instance on a rear tyre from flat? Also, what is the best adapter to buy?
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Eisbein on December 30, 2020, 04:12:39 pm
I've used this on the road with the assistance of a nice mountain bike (bicycle) pump

The small bomb get the wheel to around 1 bar (slightly over) and then it is surprisingly quick to get it to 2 bar with the bicycle pump

This was on a rear wheel (both times I used it) on a 1200GS

Your mileage may vary

Dunno about the best adapter - I got one of these kits from Trac-Mac that had the plugs (snotstokke), 3 small CO2 bombs, a little blade, some solution and an adapter in it.

One thing is for sure - when you end up using a CO2 bomb NEVER let your bare skin touch the metal of the canister.
Get those with a little neoprene cover or use it with your motorcycle glove.

 
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Jacques650 on December 30, 2020, 04:16:38 pm
Use them for mountain biking, reckon the 16g won't go far. You would need a few 25g bombs.
For peace of mind deflate a tyre and  bomb it to see how many you need.  I would then carry twice as many bombs and a decent bicycle pump.

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Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Redline1 on December 30, 2020, 04:21:30 pm
Use them for mountain biking, reckon the 16g won't go far. You would need a few 25g bombs.
For peace of mind deflate a tyre and  bomb it to see how many you need.  I would then carry twice as many bombs and a decent bicycle pump.

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That sounds like a plan. Not going to waste time with the 16g cartridges. I bought some 25g at Flying Brick last week. Think I must get a few more for in case.  ;)
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: BuRP on December 30, 2020, 04:55:52 pm
I would then carry twice as many bombs and a decent bicycle pump.

Good advice that.
Bombs can go quick, highly irritating but it's just how they work.

Now, who knows about a decent small bicycle pump?
Small = short so it'll fit into the tailbag.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on December 30, 2020, 04:57:03 pm
I also use them on my bicycle and have them packed in the toolset for the GS. Haven't had to use them yet, but I carry 4 x 16g and 2 x 25g in the toolset.

On the bicycle, I can do two flat to 5bar (give or take) with 1 x 16g.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Wooly Bugger on December 30, 2020, 06:13:27 pm
I've used this on the road with the assistance of a nice mountain bike (bicycle) pump

The small bomb get the wheel to around 1 bar (slightly over) and then it is surprisingly quick to get it to 2 bar with the bicycle pump

This was on a rear wheel (both times I used it) on a 1200GS

Your mileage may vary

Dunno about the best adapter - I got one of these kits from Trac-Mac that had the plugs (snotstokke), 3 small CO2 bombs, a little blade, some solution and an adapter in it.

One thing is for sure - when you end up using a CO2 bomb NEVER let your bare skin touch the metal of the canister.
Get those with a little neoprene cover or use it with your motorcycle glove.

What he said.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Platte on December 30, 2020, 08:03:02 pm
Ek het al 3 in my top box klein compressor; klomp co2 en n fietspomp,ek het eenkeer 3 co2 gebruik om die fiets rybaar te kry,ek gebruik die klein compressor liewers,dit het my nog nie in die steek gelaat die co2 raak net duur,dis op n 130\17 tyre
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Dux on December 30, 2020, 08:43:28 pm
I swear by them , donít trust pumps , I carry 2 adapters wrapped in rags as are the canisters
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: TheBear on December 30, 2020, 09:31:12 pm
I use them.  Not sure if the current batch is 16 or 25.  Two bombs usually will get the tyre up to 2 bar which is good enough to get to a decent pump, but I am not normally more than 40 or 50 kays from a service station.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Lord Knormoer on December 31, 2020, 07:32:22 am
I have a 4oz paintball cylinder with adaptor. I also carry a handful of CO2 canisters and a small compressor. Iíll always use the compressor first.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on December 31, 2020, 07:46:42 am
I have been using the same little compact bicycle pump for 15 years, never let me down.

Not a problem for many, but cartridges is a very expensive way to pump tyres. Throw in a unsuccessful repair, and you are out of cartridges in no time.

Electrical compressor are victim to all the nasties in our game, dust, water, vibration, heat, etc. Plus the damn things work with smoke. :deal:
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on December 31, 2020, 07:57:01 am
I have been using the same little compact bicycle pump for 15 years, never let me down.

Not a problem for many, but cartridges is a very expensive way to pump tyres. Throw in a unsuccessful repair, and you are out of cartridges in no time.

Electrical compressor are victim to all the nasties in our game, dust, water, vibration, heat, etc. Plus the damn things work with smoke. :deal:

The expense is relative. You can buy 10 x 16g cartridges for R110 @ Solomon's Cycles. That should give you 5 repairs give or take bar an unsuccessful repair attempt.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Dux on December 31, 2020, 08:10:03 am
I have been using the same little compact bicycle pump for 15 years, never let me down.

Not a problem for many, but cartridges is a very expensive way to pump tyres. Throw in a unsuccessful repair, and you are out of cartridges in no time.

Electrical compressor are victim to all the nasties in our game, dust, water, vibration, heat, etc. Plus the damn things work with smoke. :deal:

Cheap insurance in my opinion
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 31, 2020, 10:50:42 am
>Quote from: Redline1 on Yesterday at 04:08:21 pm (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=254464.msg4571952#msg4571952)>".....After being let down by a faulty compressor and fuses being blown, ...."
Disclaimer - I SELL Compressors (and CO2 bombs) for a living...
If you put a compressor 'pig tail' plug-point DIRECTLY onto the bikes battery (so, 'permanently'), then you bypass any/all of the bikes own fuses, and obviously on bikes like the bigger BMW bikes, you bypass the CANBUS system, too...
I've sold compressors for the last 10-odd years, and we carry four brands in stock (Moto Pressor + Desert Fox + TourMan + Metzler/BATT), and can count on one hand the number of compressors customers have had a problem with, they really do give VERY few problems, indeed...
(Note, not ALL our compressor have - or need - the 'pigtail', such as when using an after-market Cig socket, etc...)
We also sell a Motorcycle COMPACT foot pump, delivers great volume per action, etc.
CO2 bombs - whilst 16 gram useful for BICYCLES, we prefer and sell the 25 gram Motorcycle-friendly size, which is 50% larger/more air per bomb, which REDUCES the number of bombs you need to carry, which gives you the CHANCE of ONLY using a SINGLE bomb, in some cases....
As others have mentioned, be SURE to hold the bomb in a glove during use, otherwise the neoprene or grid-plastic cover, it just stops your thumb from adhering to the bomb - ouch!
Cheers
Chris & Team
021 510 6455


Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: drewdza on December 31, 2020, 11:21:21 am
CO2 cartridges offer a good backup for tyre/tube inflation but there are some caveats: 1. CO2 leaks out through rubber 11-12 x faster than N2 (78% in air) or O2, so deflation is comparatively rapid. 2. Whilst dry CO2 is inert, contact with any moisture forms corrosive carbonic acid which particularly enjoys eating valve stems (frequently allow ingress of moisture). To avoid these issues, use CO2 as a temporary fix, but replace with compressed air as soon as the opportunity arises 👍🏻
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: BuRP on December 31, 2020, 11:43:38 am
@Xpat , you were looking for a footpump like mine - check above?
Seems quite similar, just a tad bigger but that's fine I'll presume.
Chris / Flying Brick delivers to your door, sterling service  :thumleft:


And Chris, you "SELL Compressors (and CO2 bombs) for a living"?
Bitofa bloated statement hmm?
You do loads more, let off some steam please, no need to turn this into a Huffington Post  :P
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on December 31, 2020, 11:55:47 am


Quote from: BuRP on Today at 11:43:38 am (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=254464.msg4572257#msg4572257)>@Xpat (http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=9492) , you were looking for a footpump like mine - check above?
Seems quite similar, just a tad bigger but that's fine I'll presume.
Chris / Flying Brick delivers to your door, sterling service  :thumleft:


And Chris, you "SELL Compressors (and CO2 bombs) for a living"?
Bitofa bloated statement hmm?
You do loads more, let off some steam please, no need to turn this into a Huffington Post  :P

HeHe, funny guy, I sell compressors and CO2 AMONGST OTHER THINGS  ;D
and that foot-pump STORES CLOSED, but shown previously in it's OPENED 'size' - see pic...


Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: TheBear on December 31, 2020, 12:01:01 pm
Basically, what Chris is saying, is that there are various options.  Each of us, puck one, or any combination and enjoy the ride.  Hopefully none of us will ever experience the possible failures of whatever we picked.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: mike gs on December 31, 2020, 12:59:51 pm
Has anyone ever tinkered with installing a valve and a piping system that can screw onto a Soda Stream CO2 bottle? That would do a good few fills.



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Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: BuRP on December 31, 2020, 01:07:28 pm
OK Chris @zebra - Flying Brick ,

I know @Xpat will want one - and I want one too, this one (no battery to go down for the digidisplay!).
Pls send them together to him (because I'm a cheapskate) but, yeah, rest easy, only once you've reopened.

Until then, everyone: Happy New Year!  :thumleft:


Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: geopat on December 31, 2020, 02:41:15 pm
I have a 4oz paintball cylinder with adaptor. I also carry a handful of CO2 canisters and a small compressor. Iíll always use the compressor first.

Where  did you get the paintball bomb?
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Lord Knormoer on December 31, 2020, 10:25:14 pm
I have a 4oz paintball cylinder with adaptor. I also carry a handful of CO2 canisters and a small compressor. Iíll always use the compressor first.

Where  did you get the paintball bomb?
Bought it from Flying Brick a few years back. Iím presently working on an upgraded version.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Tony the Boney on January 01, 2021, 04:50:09 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 03, 2021, 11:36:47 am
As luck would have it yesterday...
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 03, 2021, 07:26:35 pm
Environmental disaster, these throw-away cannisters. :pot:
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: blackbird on January 04, 2021, 01:28:32 pm
Has anyone ever tinkered with installing a valve and a piping system that can screw onto a Soda Stream CO2 bottle? That would do a good few fills.



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The old German that stays across the road from me bought a adaptor set from Pretoria South Appliance store that fit on a soda stream bottle. He pumped his hilux tyre with ease. Dont know if you still get the kits.

I also use the co2, fixed a tyre for a lady on Saturday. In addition i have a 2m hose fitted with airhose fittings so i can use the back up vehicle's wheels to get the bead on or to get air form other bikes.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Lord Knormoer on January 04, 2021, 05:07:10 pm
Has anyone ever tinkered with installing a valve and a piping system that can screw onto a Soda Stream CO2 bottle? That would do a good few fills.



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The old German that stays across the road from me bought a adaptor set from Pretoria South Appliance store that fit on a soda stream bottle. He pumped his hilux tyre with ease. Dont know if you still get the kits.

I also use the co2, fixed a tyre for a lady on Saturday. In addition i have a 2m hose fitted with airhose fittings so i can use the back up vehicle's wheels to get the bead on or to get air form other bikes.
Alibaba has those adaptors for sale :thumleft:
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Hinksding on January 05, 2021, 09:26:15 pm
Years ago Mof and I ran out of canisters in the bloody hot sum on the R355. I never drove without a compressor again.
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: BuRP on January 21, 2021, 08:39:25 pm
OK Chris @zebra - Flying Brick ,

I know @Xpat will want one - and I want one too, this one (no battery to go down for the digidisplay!).
Pls send them together to him (because I'm a cheapskate) but, yeah, rest easy, only once you've reopened.

Hello Chris @zebra - Flying Brick ,

Seeing the fact that you've reopened - will you be so kind to send me 2 of the abovementioned pumps and bill me accordingly?
I will of course only use it in my living room, and perhaps I will dare myself to use it on my patio, but @Xpat  will no doubt be grateful for it when he tackles something ludicrously remote like the Magadan swamps or similar  :P


Your habitual sterling service will be again appreciated  :thumleft:

Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on January 22, 2021, 08:26:16 am
thanks, BuRP, back with you in an hour or two... :thumleft:


Cheers
Chris & the Team
Title: Re: Question about CO2 cartridges.
Post by: Vintage_Mania on January 22, 2021, 04:02:19 pm
thanks, BuRP, back with you in an hour or two... :thumleft:


Cheers
Chris & the Team

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