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General => General Bike Related Banter => Topic started by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 05:03:58 pm

Title: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 05:03:58 pm
Has anyone heard anything about a 690 being airlifted out of Swartberg today?? :pot: :pot: :pot:

Clutch, again......... :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: MiniDan on January 06, 2021, 05:10:41 pm
Really? NO...
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 05:13:11 pm
Really? NO...

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 06, 2021, 09:33:34 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 07:11:45 am
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.

But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2021, 07:13:22 am
It's a Redbull bike - it got wings

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 07:14:38 am
It's a Redbull bike - it got wings

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 :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 09:41:46 am
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.

But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.


Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.

Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.

Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs

People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 01:33:58 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 02:02:41 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: m0lt3n on January 07, 2021, 02:07:40 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.

But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.

half the abuse double the power potato potatoe
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:08:23 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.

But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.


Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.

Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.

Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs

People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch

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Of the 3 bikes that went on this route, the little XT250 aircooled single was the only one that made it 100% unscathed. OK, it's not overweight, but the place is hardcore. :pot: :ricky: :snorting:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:09:16 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.

Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:

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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.

But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.

half the abuse double the power potato potatoe

Potato? That 690 was more like a lemon.....
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 02:14:04 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Misguided?  How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:16:23 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Misguided?  How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?

Tell us?
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:18:28 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Ja nee... ek sit hier en "WTF did he just say?" ::)
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 02:21:42 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Misguided?  How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?

Jy maak daai comment so as of die bike fout gehad het... Dit is hoekom ek die woord misguided gebruik het. Daar was niks fout met die bike nie behalwe vir 'n moerse klomp water in die brandstof.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 02:25:55 pm
Brainfarting early in the year....pasop vir die hartaanvalle ouens.
Pffft who cares about clutches and  Dakar or 690 hoespoep in die Swartberg.
The blue ribbon class of motorcycle racing is where the action is.
 
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:30:31 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Misguided?  How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?

Jy maak daai comment so as of die bike fout gehad het... Dit is hoekom ek die woord misguided gebruik het. Daar was niks fout met die bike nie behalwe vir 'n moerse klomp water in die brandstof.
Provided by the race organisers by the way, the team had FA to do about it.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 02:47:04 pm
Interesting how the other bikes managed to complete the stage on water.

As they all drank from the same poisoned well

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:50:26 pm
Interesting how the other bikes managed to complete the stage on water.

As they all drank from the same poisoned well

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Ek dink jy praat nou loutere onsin. Some cans were contaminated it seems. The rider was unlucky to get one. ::)
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 02:57:41 pm
Was a bit of tongue in cheek.

Price's bike also sputtered but he managed

Also, it's one big-ass tanker that got contaminated, so all had water in their fuel. - or do you honestly think that some bloke added water to only certain containers before filling the bikes??


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 03:05:55 pm
Dirty fuel supply by organisers? And the bike was not allowed to carry on by organisers......?
Hmmmm klink asof KTM die boeke kook


Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: basilpeetz on January 07, 2021, 03:10:03 pm
Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.

Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.

Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs

People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch -  Seems like a pretty broad stroke statement to me  :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 03:14:07 pm
Brainfarting early in the year....pasop vir die hartaanvalle ouens.
Pffft who cares about clutches and  Dakar or 690 hoespoep in die Swartberg.
The blue ribbon class of motorcycle racing is where the action is.
Yes and it was won by a fookin Suzuki  :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 06:13:04 pm
Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.

Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.

Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs

People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch -  Seems like a pretty broad stroke statement to me  :pot: :pot:
:)

Indeed, that last paragraph was not exactly factual


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 06:15:30 pm
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.

Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 06:59:13 pm
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 08:44:22 pm
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"

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Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.

Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 08, 2021, 12:21:57 am
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.

Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
Haha

For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 08, 2021, 07:18:38 am
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.

Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
Haha

For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)

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I dislike Harley for all 3. :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 08, 2021, 01:02:06 pm
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.

Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
Haha

For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)

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Sjoe man.
Ek kon my eie gevoelens nou nie beter as dit opsom nie.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: BuRP on January 11, 2021, 10:58:30 am
"KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg"

If (IF!) that is true then perhaps a contributing factor may (may!) be that the 690 Enduro (was it an Enduro? But anyway, the SM has the same, ditto the 701) has a too-high first gear (KTM's standard-practice inheritance btw) compliments of the 690 Duke - which was (and always is!) first released.
That leaves a few KTM Enduro bikes with a road-rated first gear, hardly ideal, and is a most pronounced shortcoming on the 690 bikes!
To combat this I've shortened the overall gearing on my 701, it helps a bit... but is hardly ideal.
FOOI KTM!  >:D
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 11, 2021, 11:55:21 am
Hoor wat se oom Jeff:
Praat oor KTM clutch vanaf 18:36

Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 11, 2021, 04:42:08 pm
Hoor wat se oom Jeff:
Praat oor KTM clutch vanaf 18:36



He also says that, unless you abuse it trying to get out of a mud hole, you'll never use it up. In other words, if you never use it hard, it will last long. :imaposer:

Look, the clutches on the 300, and as far as i know, the full offroad range, is tough. The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: w@nted on January 11, 2021, 04:49:06 pm
I am sure Cele organised the airlift. The KTM was having too much fun in the river.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 11, 2021, 05:09:43 pm
I am sure Cele organised the airlift. The KTM was having too much fun in the river.

 :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: BuRP on January 12, 2021, 10:52:03 am
The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.

Dan, I HATE to say it but you're correct.... dammit  :-[
But, eh, you see, there's no stopping clumsy idjits lacking even a smidgen of mechanical sympathy to buy a KTM, would be, eh, well, racist maybe?
I mean that word is used for everything these days....
 :P
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 02:47:25 pm
The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.

Dan, I HATE to say it but you're correct.... dammit  :-[
But, eh, you see, there's no stopping clumsy idjits lacking even a smidgen of mechanical sympathy to buy a KTM, would be, eh, well, racist maybe?
I mean that word is used for everything these days....
 :P

 :imaposer: :imaposer:

On the other hand, expert riders like myself can put 40 000 kms on a 701 without clutch trouble. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 07:38:56 pm
How much power does the 690 produce again??

If some folks cant mange all that hp properly, they should scale down to a Jap offering; their clutches are happy with the 50% less load.

*this excludes the great XRR. A bike pioneered by a racing legend. Reluctantly built by the Japs and replaced by soft-cock offerings for those, "ready to slip the clutch" people
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 07:51:31 pm
How much power does the 690 produce again??

If some folks cant mange all that hp properly, they should scale down to a Jap offering; their clutches are happy with the 50% less load.

*this excludes the great XRR. A bike pioneered by a racing legend. Reluctantly built by the Japs and replaced by soft-cock offerings for those, "ready to slip the clutch" people

Yes, and the XR-R also has a proper clutch, despite it being a "Jap offering", you must understand that clutches are paired to engines, so your 24HP CRF230 will have a clutch relatively as strong as the

XR-R.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 08:31:32 pm
Adding a beefier clutch means more rotational mass etc etc
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.

Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

You know, give something back to the community.

As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.

Like the t7
:pot:


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 08:34:38 pm
Adding a beefier clutch means more rotational mass etc etc
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.

Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

You know, give something back to the community.

As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.

Like the t7
:pot:


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It is the KTM tjommies that needs the lessons......and tougher bikes.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 08:42:26 pm
Forgot to mention 'under sprung'

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 08:43:42 pm
Forgot to mention 'under sprung'

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I also believe the main problem with some KTM clutches are undersprung issues.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 08:58:20 pm
Gonna need more than just springs, by the sound of your ramblings.

Start with your Jap rider's support group and work from there?

A neutered 690 is not the solution.

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:00:11 pm
Gonna need more than just springs, by the sound of your ramblings.

Start with your Jap rider's support group and work from there?

A neutered 690 is not the solution.

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The Jap riders aren't the ones whose bikes got airlifted.......
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 09:03:44 pm
Go read my last couple posts again.

Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:27:42 pm
Go read my last couple posts again.

Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.

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With the low-down torque of the no-electronics :biggrin: T7, there is no need to slip clutches. Yamaha has it down to an art, this motorcycle making business.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 09:30:28 pm
Sure is an art, given it's road bike heritage

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:39:29 pm
Sure is an art, given it's road bike heritage

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Like the first ever Dakar win? Or showing the world the way with offroad 4strokes?

But yes, they have an enviable road heritage too.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 10:06:52 pm
Was more referring to the flex-o-matic 43mm forks, triple clamps and road bike frame.

But sure, must be directly influenced by the Dakar wins of decades ago.

This road bike looking gear shifter says it all!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210113/20d21a9aac1d13300aea214c4fd013e6.jpg)

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 10:09:30 pm
I blame that guy that put TKC-80's on an R1 and took it into the desert.

It obviously gave Yamaha all sorts of ideas.

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 10:18:31 pm
I blame that guy that put TKC-80's on an R1 and took it into the desert.

It obviously gave Yamaha all sorts of ideas.

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KTM did not even trust their own kak when Charley and Ewan came begging. Or so I heard. :pot:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 14, 2021, 07:02:36 am
Has anyone heard anything about a 690 being airlifted out of Swartberg today?? :pot: :pot: :pot:

Clutch, again......... :pot:

Bike was seker net due vir 'n service en hy wou nie oor sy ure gaan nie.......... >:D
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 07:10:26 am
Has anyone heard anything about a 690 being airlifted out of Swartberg today?? :pot: :pot: :pot:

Clutch, again......... :pot:

Bike was seker net due vir 'n service en hy wou nie oor sy ure gaan nie.......... >:D

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: BuRP on January 14, 2021, 10:20:04 am
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?


 :lol8:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 10:39:41 am
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?


 :lol8:

The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 14, 2021, 01:04:10 pm
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?


 :lol8:

The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.

Take your XT.
Put on your vel skoens and leave before dawn.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 09:18:27 pm
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?


 :lol8:

The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.

Take your XT.
Put on your vel skoens and leave before dawn.

The XT has done this very route, from the Klaarstroom side of Meiringspoort to the top of Swartbergpass, in one day.

In one day, from my home in Stellenbosch and back in the evening.

These are daytrips to me. Because I am on a Yamaha.

I am planning to do it on the Husky, and will put a planning a ride thing out as soon as we are over the hot weather.

Do not ever deride an XT, as you very obviously do not know what they are.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 14, 2021, 09:55:16 pm
I'm from the bosveld.
No idea of the scale of your epic route, but as long as you leave before dawn.

Because I know what the xt is.
The xt is slooow

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 07:22:12 am
I'm from the bosveld.
No idea of the scale of your epic route, but as long as you leave before dawn.

Because I know what the xt is.
The xt is slooow

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 :thumleft: The XT is slow, but only relatively.  It is slow against a 701 or a XR650R, but it is deceptively capable once you are on very technical terrain.

The XT has done most of the routes, in comfort, that I read you apparently can only really do on a 500. :thumleft:

Loaded with even my captain's folding chair......... :pot:

The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.  Keeping in mind that most won't make the 50kms to Swartberg top in a day, I am a very tough man. :ricky:

But please Dirtwarp, enough about me now. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: JayEye on January 15, 2021, 07:43:49 am
Go read my last couple posts again.

Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.

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I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 07:47:57 am
Go read my last couple posts again.

Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.

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I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really


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 :thumleft: :thumleft: Funny how in our current times of Satphones and ready help, KTM's can also be taken into the bundu.
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 09:54:26 am
Go read my last couple posts again.

Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.

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I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really


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If you are a 'Ready to slip the clutch rider', its a good idea, yes
 :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: JayEye on January 15, 2021, 10:01:08 am
“Ready” or not hear I come on my Jap under over


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: JayEye on January 15, 2021, 10:20:19 am
Albeit a little slower


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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: BuRP on January 15, 2021, 11:11:48 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.

In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now....  :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you!  :P
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:21:07 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.

In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now....  :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you!  :P

Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:30:05 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.

In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now....  :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you!  :P

Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:

so if you do it in one go, the bike is more reliable??
of is jou tril net so dik?

Reason for my question is that I've done 1200Km rides with my 525 over 3 days, without turning a bolt on it.
But is guess that does not count
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:36:29 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.

In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now....  :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you!  :P

Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:

so if you do it in one go, the bike is more reliable??
of is jou tril net so dik?

Reason for my question is that I've done 1200Km rides with my 525 over 3 days, without turning a bolt on it.
But is guess that does not count

Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:49:51 am
I see.

Here, the bike is to blame:
Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:

...
but here the rider is to blame:
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"

Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.

Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.

In sympathy to the lost Yamaha riders of Dakar 2021, you are also going around in circles
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:54:34 am
I see.

Here, the bike is to blame:
Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:

...
but here the rider is to blame:
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"

Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.

Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.

In sympathy to the lost Yamaha riders of Dakar 2021, you are also going around in circles

Yes, the Japs trounced those KTM's , hey? :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:56:31 am
Moenie agter Honda gaan skuil met jou blou onderbroekie nie
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 15, 2021, 12:21:25 pm
Adding a beefier clutch means more rotational mass etc etc
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.

Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?

You know, give something back to the community.

As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.

Like the t7
:pot:


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Sadly he can't do that. To do that he would have to ride a Jap bike too. :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 12:28:43 pm
Klink my dis geen probleem daai nie.
Hy ry 900km in een dag deur plekke waar ktm's gaan vir hul begrafnis.

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Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 73 Peanut on January 15, 2021, 12:47:39 pm
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: BuRP on January 15, 2021, 02:23:07 pm
met jou blou onderbroekie nie

 :lol8:

Manne, ek hou van die verskuilde humor, dit begin wragtig n piepie contest te word!
Gaan aan asseblief, glo my ek lees hierso!  :P :thumleft:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:27:57 pm
Klink my dis geen probleem daai nie.
Hy ry 900km in een dag deur plekke waar ktm's gaan vir hul begrafnis.

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Jy begin die lig te sien. :ricky:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:29:06 pm
Moenie agter Honda gaan skuil met jou blou onderbroekie nie

 :imaposer: :imaposer: Moet se, ek is hoeka nie n groot Honda ou nie. :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: Grunder on January 15, 2021, 02:47:43 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Don't go and spoil a good story with facts  :biggrin:
Title: Re: KTM 690 airlifted out of Swartberg.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:54:14 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
 :ricky:

Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.

Don't go and spoil a good story with facts  :biggrin:

Yes, it is obvious that the contaminant in the fuel damaged that engine.

But like Altie said, the clutch were fine, supertough those Jap clutches.