Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 05:03:58 pm
Clutch, again......... :pot:
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 06, 2021, 05:13:11 pm
Really? NO...
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Post by: dirtWarp on January 06, 2021, 09:33:34 pm
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 07:11:45 am
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:
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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.
But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
Post by: Serf on January 07, 2021, 07:13:22 am
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 07:14:38 am
It's a Redbull bike - it got wings
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Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 09:41:46 am
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:
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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.
But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.
Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.
Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs
People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch
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Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 01:33:58 pm
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 02:02:41 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Post by: m0lt3n on January 07, 2021, 02:07:40 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:
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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.
But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
half the abuse double the power potato potatoe
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:08:23 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:
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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.
But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.
Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.
Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs
People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch
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Of the 3 bikes that went on this route, the little XT250 aircooled single was the only one that made it 100% unscathed. OK, it's not overweight, but the place is hardcore. :pot: :ricky: :snorting:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:09:16 pm
I guess we don't call it clutch abuse for nothing.
Die plaas implemente kan splinternuut wees, maar in daai ander manne se hande hou niks.
:pot:
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Yes, a new-ish rider, inexperienced, over bad terrain, and this happens quickly.
But let us face facts, the KTM clutches do not handle half the abuse that the Jap ones can.
half the abuse double the power potato potatoe
Potato? That 690 was more like a lemon.....
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 02:14:04 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Misguided? How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 02:16:23 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Misguided? How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?
Tell us?
Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:18:28 pm
Ja nee... ek sit hier en "WTF did he just say?" ::)The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Post by: Kortbroek on January 07, 2021, 02:21:42 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Misguided? How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?
Jy maak daai comment so as of die bike fout gehad het... Dit is hoekom ek die woord misguided gebruik het. Daar was niks fout met die bike nie behalwe vir 'n moerse klomp water in die brandstof.
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 02:25:55 pm
Pffft who cares about clutches and Dakar or 690 hoespoep in die Swartberg.
The blue ribbon class of motorcycle racing is where the action is.
Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:30:31 pm
Provided by the race organisers by the way, the team had FA to do about it.The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Misguided? How contaminated was the fuel, if the bike was not allowed to continue the next day?
Jy maak daai comment so as of die bike fout gehad het... Dit is hoekom ek die woord misguided gebruik het. Daar was niks fout met die bike nie behalwe vir 'n moerse klomp water in die brandstof.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 02:47:04 pm
As they all drank from the same poisoned well
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Post by: RobC on January 07, 2021, 02:50:26 pm
Interesting how the other bikes managed to complete the stage on water.Ek dink jy praat nou loutere onsin. Some cans were contaminated it seems. The rider was unlucky to get one. ::)
As they all drank from the same poisoned well
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Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 02:57:41 pm
Price's bike also sputtered but he managed
Also, it's one big-ass tanker that got contaminated, so all had water in their fuel. - or do you honestly think that some bloke added water to only certain containers before filling the bikes??
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Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 07, 2021, 03:05:55 pm
Hmmmm klink asof KTM die boeke kook
Post by: basilpeetz on January 07, 2021, 03:10:03 pm
Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.
Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs
People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch - Seems like a pretty broad stroke statement to me :pot: :pot:
Post by: sidetrack on January 07, 2021, 03:14:07 pm
Brainfarting early in the year....pasop vir die hartaanvalle ouens.Yes and it was won by a fookin Suzuki :imaposer:
Pffft who cares about clutches and Dakar or 690 hoespoep in die Swartberg.
The blue ribbon class of motorcycle racing is where the action is.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 06:13:04 pm
Broad stroke statements don't highlight facts.:)
Fact is, ktm enduro and mx bikes have the best clutches in the business.
That's been the case for over a decade now.
Fact is that Japs are now copying those clutch designs
People don't ride their flower smelling, poorly suspended, over weight Jap adventure bikes into the hardcore places.
Its mostly KTM adventure bikes that go there and if the rider can cope, so will the clutch - Seems like a pretty broad stroke statement to me :pot: :pot:
Indeed, that last paragraph was not exactly factual
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 06:15:30 pm
Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 07, 2021, 06:59:13 pm
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 07, 2021, 08:44:22 pm
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"
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Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.
Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 08, 2021, 12:21:57 am
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.Haha
Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 08, 2021, 07:18:38 am
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.Haha
Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)
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I dislike Harley for all 3. :pot:
Post by: Altie7deLaan on January 08, 2021, 01:02:06 pm
Look, I was just stirring, and won my own bet that Dirtwarp would be first to react.Haha
Nice to see someone as brand-befok as myself. :thumleft:
For the record, I love Yamaha, Honda and Ktm equally.
That being said, I dislike the 790 for its looks, the T7 for its price and 450L for its performance
:)
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Sjoe man.
Ek kon my eie gevoelens nou nie beter as dit opsom nie.
Post by: BuRP on January 11, 2021, 10:58:30 am
If (IF!) that is true then perhaps a contributing factor may (may!) be that the 690 Enduro (was it an Enduro? But anyway, the SM has the same, ditto the 701) has a too-high first gear (KTM's standard-practice inheritance btw) compliments of the 690 Duke - which was (and always is!) first released.
That leaves a few KTM Enduro bikes with a road-rated first gear, hardly ideal, and is a most pronounced shortcoming on the 690 bikes!
To combat this I've shortened the overall gearing on my 701, it helps a bit... but is hardly ideal.
FOOI KTM! >:D
Post by: dirtWarp on January 11, 2021, 11:55:21 am
Praat oor KTM clutch vanaf 18:36
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 11, 2021, 04:42:08 pm
Hoor wat se oom Jeff:
Praat oor KTM clutch vanaf 18:36
He also says that, unless you abuse it trying to get out of a mud hole, you'll never use it up. In other words, if you never use it hard, it will last long. :imaposer:
Look, the clutches on the 300, and as far as i know, the full offroad range, is tough. The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 11, 2021, 05:09:43 pm
I am sure Cele organised the airlift. The KTM was having too much fun in the river.
:thumleft: :thumleft:
Post by: BuRP on January 12, 2021, 10:52:03 am
The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.
Dan, I HATE to say it but you're correct.... dammit :-[
But, eh, you see, there's no stopping clumsy idjits lacking even a smidgen of mechanical sympathy to buy a KTM, would be, eh, well, racist maybe?
I mean that word is used for everything these days....
:P
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 02:47:25 pm
The 690 clutch take no abuse kindly, and the internet is full of 790 clutch issues.
Dan, I HATE to say it but you're correct.... dammit :-[
But, eh, you see, there's no stopping clumsy idjits lacking even a smidgen of mechanical sympathy to buy a KTM, would be, eh, well, racist maybe?
I mean that word is used for everything these days....
:P
:imaposer: :imaposer:
On the other hand, expert riders like myself can put 40 000 kms on a 701 without clutch trouble. :biggrin:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 07:38:56 pm
If some folks cant mange all that hp properly, they should scale down to a Jap offering; their clutches are happy with the 50% less load.
*this excludes the great XRR. A bike pioneered by a racing legend. Reluctantly built by the Japs and replaced by soft-cock offerings for those, "ready to slip the clutch" people
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 07:51:31 pm
How much power does the 690 produce again??
If some folks cant mange all that hp properly, they should scale down to a Jap offering; their clutches are happy with the 50% less load.
*this excludes the great XRR. A bike pioneered by a racing legend. Reluctantly built by the Japs and replaced by soft-cock offerings for those, "ready to slip the clutch" people
Yes, and the XR-R also has a proper clutch, despite it being a "Jap offering", you must understand that clutches are paired to engines, so your 24HP CRF230 will have a clutch relatively as strong as the
XR-R.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 08:31:32 pm
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.
Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
You know, give something back to the community.
As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.
Like the t7
:pot:
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 08:34:38 pm
Adding a beefier clutch means more rotational mass etc etc
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.
Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
You know, give something back to the community.
As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.
Like the t7
:pot:
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It is the KTM tjommies that needs the lessons......and tougher bikes.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 08:43:42 pm
Forgot to mention 'under sprung'
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I also believe the main problem with some KTM clutches are undersprung issues.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 08:58:20 pm
Start with your Jap rider's support group and work from there?
A neutered 690 is not the solution.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:00:11 pm
Gonna need more than just springs, by the sound of your ramblings.
Start with your Jap rider's support group and work from there?
A neutered 690 is not the solution.
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The Jap riders aren't the ones whose bikes got airlifted.......
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 09:03:44 pm
Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:27:42 pm
Go read my last couple posts again.
Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.
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With the low-down torque of the no-electronics :biggrin: T7, there is no need to slip clutches. Yamaha has it down to an art, this motorcycle making business.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 09:30:28 pm
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 09:39:29 pm
Sure is an art, given it's road bike heritage
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Like the first ever Dakar win? Or showing the world the way with offroad 4strokes?
But yes, they have an enviable road heritage too.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 10:06:52 pm
But sure, must be directly influenced by the Dakar wins of decades ago.
This road bike looking gear shifter says it all!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210113/20d21a9aac1d13300aea214c4fd013e6.jpg)
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Post by: dirtWarp on January 13, 2021, 10:09:30 pm
It obviously gave Yamaha all sorts of ideas.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 10:18:31 pm
I blame that guy that put TKC-80's on an R1 and took it into the desert.
It obviously gave Yamaha all sorts of ideas.
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KTM did not even trust their own kak when Charley and Ewan came begging. Or so I heard. :pot:
Post by: petri oosthuizen on January 14, 2021, 07:02:36 am
Has anyone heard anything about a 690 being airlifted out of Swartberg today?? :pot: :pot: :pot:
Clutch, again......... :pot:
Bike was seker net due vir 'n service en hy wou nie oor sy ure gaan nie.......... >:D
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 07:10:26 am
Has anyone heard anything about a 690 being airlifted out of Swartberg today?? :pot: :pot: :pot:
Clutch, again......... :pot:
Bike was seker net due vir 'n service en hy wou nie oor sy ure gaan nie.......... >:D
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Post by: BuRP on January 14, 2021, 10:20:04 am
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?
:lol8:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 10:39:41 am
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?
:lol8:
The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 14, 2021, 01:04:10 pm
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?
:lol8:
The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.
Take your XT.
Put on your vel skoens and leave before dawn.
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 09:18:27 pm
maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
He cannot dirtWarp, no way Jose...... because he's got an orange and blue KTM himself, and which Jap-owner will trust such a teacher hmm?
:lol8:
The teacher will be late for class. :biggrin:, and full of oil.
Take your XT.
Put on your vel skoens and leave before dawn.
The XT has done this very route, from the Klaarstroom side of Meiringspoort to the top of Swartbergpass, in one day.
In one day, from my home in Stellenbosch and back in the evening.
These are daytrips to me. Because I am on a Yamaha.
I am planning to do it on the Husky, and will put a planning a ride thing out as soon as we are over the hot weather.
Do not ever deride an XT, as you very obviously do not know what they are.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 14, 2021, 09:55:16 pm
No idea of the scale of your epic route, but as long as you leave before dawn.
Because I know what the xt is.
The xt is slooow
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 07:22:12 am
I'm from the bosveld.
No idea of the scale of your epic route, but as long as you leave before dawn.
Because I know what the xt is.
The xt is slooow
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:thumleft: The XT is slow, but only relatively. It is slow against a 701 or a XR650R, but it is deceptively capable once you are on very technical terrain.
The XT has done most of the routes, in comfort, that I read you apparently can only really do on a 500. :thumleft:
Loaded with even my captain's folding chair......... :pot:
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms. Keeping in mind that most won't make the 50kms to Swartberg top in a day, I am a very tough man. :ricky:
But please Dirtwarp, enough about me now. :biggrin:
Post by: JayEye on January 15, 2021, 07:43:49 am
Go read my last couple posts again.I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really
Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.
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Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 07:47:57 am
Go read my last couple posts again.I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really
Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.
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:thumleft: :thumleft: Funny how in our current times of Satphones and ready help, KTM's can also be taken into the bundu.
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 09:54:26 am
Go read my last couple posts again.I would ride my under, under, over, over, Jap bike as opposed to sleeping out under the stars or airlifting my bike out any day. The piece of mind while riding the bike and not wondering if something will break also contributes greatly to the enjoyment of the ride. I suppose its horses for courses really
Some folks should stick to underpowered, undersprung, overweight and overpriced Jap bikes, as they can slip their clutches all day long.
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If you are a 'Ready to slip the clutch rider', its a good idea, yes
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Post by: BuRP on January 15, 2021, 11:11:48 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.
In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now.... :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you! :P
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:21:07 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.
In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now.... :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you! :P
Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:30:05 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.
In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now.... :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you! :P
Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:
so if you do it in one go, the bike is more reliable??
of is jou tril net so dik?
Reason for my question is that I've done 1200Km rides with my 525 over 3 days, without turning a bolt on it.
But is guess that does not count
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:36:29 am
The route that I mentioned is about 900 kms.
In one day?
Was tempted to come join you on my 701, but "was" was now.... :-\
Most I ever done I think was 1000km - all tar on my F800Adv, speeding for the best part, to&fro Lesotho to collect my passport which I had forgotten (yeah, I'm lekker clever, I know...), but 'fun' wasn't really had that day....... not offroad thank you! :P
Dawn to dusk.......one day. Sunday, work the next, no problem. XT. :thumleft:
so if you do it in one go, the bike is more reliable??
of is jou tril net so dik?
Reason for my question is that I've done 1200Km rides with my 525 over 3 days, without turning a bolt on it.
But is guess that does not count
Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:49:51 am
Here, the bike is to blame:
Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:
...
but here the rider is to blame:
Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"
Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.
Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.
In sympathy to the lost Yamaha riders of Dakar 2021, you are also going around in circles
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 11:54:34 am
I see.
Here, the bike is to blame:Yes, as my bike was not flown out by helicopter, it is obviously more reliable. Nothing to do with a dik tril. :thumleft:
...
but here the rider is to blame:Maybe change the title to "Another Ready to fail rider"
Yes, a very inexperienced rider thrown into very difficult terrain, with the bike as victim. But these youngsters are gutsy as hell.
Rufus, one of the trio told me just now that the bike may also have been geared up for road cruising by previous owner.
In sympathy to the lost Yamaha riders of Dakar 2021, you are also going around in circles
Yes, the Japs trounced those KTM's , hey? :biggrin:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 11:56:31 am
Post by: KaTooMatt on January 15, 2021, 12:21:25 pm
Adding a beefier clutch means more rotational mass etc etc
All to protect the bike from people that shouldn't be riding it in the 1st place.
Instead of spending your efforts criticizing 6/790 clutches, maybe start a riding school for your Jap tjommies?
You know, give something back to the community.
As long as you don't advocate to have these bikes 'fixed' as it would only lead to an overpriced, overweight, underpowered specimen.
Like the t7
:pot:
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Sadly he can't do that. To do that he would have to ride a Jap bike too. :ricky:
Post by: dirtWarp on January 15, 2021, 12:28:43 pm
Hy ry 900km in een dag deur plekke waar ktm's gaan vir hul begrafnis.
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Post by: 73 Peanut on January 15, 2021, 12:47:39 pm
Post by: BuRP on January 15, 2021, 02:23:07 pm
met jou blou onderbroekie nie
:lol8:
Manne, ek hou van die verskuilde humor, dit begin wragtig n piepie contest te word!
Gaan aan asseblief, glo my ek lees hierso! :P :thumleft:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:27:57 pm
Klink my dis geen probleem daai nie.
Hy ry 900km in een dag deur plekke waar ktm's gaan vir hul begrafnis.
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Jy begin die lig te sien. :ricky:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:29:06 pm
Moenie agter Honda gaan skuil met jou blou onderbroekie nie
:imaposer: :imaposer: Moet se, ek is hoeka nie n groot Honda ou nie. :biggrin:
Post by: Grunder on January 15, 2021, 02:47:43 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Don't go and spoil a good story with facts :biggrin:
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 15, 2021, 02:54:14 pm
The first factory bike to blow up at this years Dakar?
A Yamaha.
"Contaminated fuel"
But hey, its clutch was still intact.
:ricky:
Bit of a misguided comment. No bike can run on water and when they put clean fuel in back at the bivouac it started and ran fine.
Don't go and spoil a good story with facts :biggrin:
Yes, it is obvious that the contaminant in the fuel damaged that engine.
But like Altie said, the clutch were fine, supertough those Jap clutches.