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Title: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 09:53:19 am
I do like their attitude  :thumleft:

https://advrider.com/honda-challenges-itself-to-win-all-major-championships-in-2021/
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 12, 2021, 10:23:12 am
Just like Ford trying to beat Ferrari in the 60's at le mans.. took Ford 4 years and about $300 mil in todays money to finally win, giving Ford a 3 year winning streak and Ferrari a middle finger., considering that Ford was going to buy Ferrari for $18 mil it turned out to be a very expensive middle finger.

Money, dedication and never giving up.. that is Honda, but KTM is not going to just lie down.. no sir.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 10:27:08 am
Dakar - Honda has a good chance
MotoGP - Yes if MM is injury free and stays on board !
World MX - Yes Gajser should have it
AMA SX and MX - I don't think so, Ken Roczen has some stiff competition
World SBK - again don't think they have a chance
World trials - don't know it at all ?
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 12, 2021, 10:55:49 am
World trials - don't know it at all ?

WHAAAAATTTT?
"Tony Bou" rings a bell?
He's better than Durex, 'unbelievable' the literal meaning, and as long as H has him they own Trials!
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 12, 2021, 12:05:05 pm
Yeah Honda wraps up trials .. they are unbelievable,
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 12:57:31 pm
Yeah Honda wraps up trials .. they are unbelievable,

No, Tony is unbelievable. He will have a good chance even on a vespa.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 12, 2021, 02:48:11 pm
No, Tony is unbelievable. He will have a good chance even on a vespa BMW

Fixd dat four joe  ;D
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 02:51:01 pm
Just like Ford trying to beat Ferrari in the 60's at le mans.. took Ford 4 years and about $300 mil in todays money to finally win, giving Ford a 3 year winning streak and Ferrari a middle finger., considering that Ford was going to buy Ferrari for $18 mil it turned out to be a very expensive middle finger.

Money, dedication and never giving up.. that is Honda, but KTM is not going to just lie down.. no sir.

The Italian government ultimately intervened, blocking Enzo from selling an "Italian national gem".

Otherwise, all Ferraris today would have looked like Sierra's and "Bertone" Granada's. :thumleft:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 02:52:06 pm
No, Tony is unbelievable. He will have a good chance even on a vespa BMW

Fixd dat four joe  ;D

I am afraid that there are limits to what Tony can do too. :snorting:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: ETS on January 12, 2021, 02:59:39 pm
Jip seems Dakar is going Honda's way
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 08:26:57 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Sheepman on January 12, 2021, 08:37:22 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 08:47:47 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

I have often wondered why Honda is not bothered to put more effort into WSBK?
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Sheepman on January 12, 2021, 09:05:13 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

I have often wondered why Honda is not bothered to put more effort into WSBK?

Its a mystery, as they year in and year out continue to dump mega budget on the prime project, being MGP. If one checks out their street superbike development, it becomes clear that there is no real desire to challenge for meaningful succes in WSBK, as their street superbikes only gain more R's in name, but not much in performance.The base bikes are really soft ( " but well built  ;) " )   
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 12, 2021, 09:10:22 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

I have often wondered why Honda is not bothered to put more effort into WSBK?

Its a mystery, as they year in and year out continue to dump mega budget on the prime project, being MGP. If one checks out their street superbike development, it becomes clear that there is no real desire to challenge for meaningful succes in WSBK, as their street superbikes only gain more R's in name, but not much in performance.The base bikes are really soft ( " but well built  ;) " )

I believe the 2021 "Fireblade" is different though?
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Dux on January 12, 2021, 09:22:46 pm
With the RC 30 , RC 45 and RC 51 Honda were very much at the cutting edge of SBK , sadly not anymore but I donít mind because I am also a Kawasaki fan
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 12, 2021, 10:54:28 pm
Honda should win the Baja 1000 as well
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 07:11:31 am
With the RC 30 , RC 45 and RC 51 Honda were very much at the cutting edge of SBK , sadly not anymore but I donít mind because I am also a Kawasaki fan

Those RC30's!! :ricky: Beautiful lines too.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 13, 2021, 10:17:42 am
I believe the 2021 "Fireblade" is different though?

Quite frankly I think that is the only reason that this really-hot Fireblade exists: to regain some hold again of WSB!
Allegedly on the street it is an inconvenient bitch to ride, but comes into its element once leaned over on slicks on a track... sounds familiar, the V4 Duc is said to do same.
Also, WSB success sells streetbikes, not so much MotoGP wins - but I think the Superbike era has possibly passed already, there's nothing left of the Supersport class these days.
We will see it soon no doubt  ;)
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2021, 10:20:14 am
Jip seems Dakar is going Honda's way

It went their way last year right up to the end.. lets hope its their year this year.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 10:22:47 am
I believe the 2021 "Fireblade" is different though?

Quite frankly I think that is the only reason that this really-hot Fireblade exists: to regain some hold again of WSB!
Allegedly on the street it is an inconvenient bitch to ride, but comes into its element once leaned over on slicks on a track... sounds familiar, the V4 Duc is said to do same.
Also, WSB success sells streetbikes, not so much MotoGP wins - but I think the Superbike era has possibly passed already, there's nothing left of the Supersport class these days.
We will see it soon no doubt  ;)

Well SBK might survive with all the MotoGP "retirees" joining. For the same reason there are very limited growth options for Supersport riders...
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 10:23:35 am
Jip seems Dakar is going Honda's way

It went their way last year right up to the end.. lets hope its their year this year.

They won last year...
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2021, 10:25:25 am
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

Don't you rate the new  the new fireblade? its far from soft
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2021, 10:27:22 am
Jip seems Dakar is going Honda's way

It went their way last year right up to the end.. lets hope its their year this year.

They won last year...

Lost in translation.. "it went their way right up to the end".. meaning they managed to stay on a reliable bike right to the end. The Dakar is so tough that the best rider on the best bike with the best team may not finish.

And yeah.. lets hope its their year this year.. with Price out its looking good.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 10:58:02 am
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: OomD on January 13, 2021, 11:11:57 am
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 13, 2021, 11:34:19 am
Honda also does not give up
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.

 :lol8:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 11:35:00 am
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
What is F1 ?
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: bud500 on January 13, 2021, 11:40:49 am

What is F1 ?

Think I've heard of it.
A for profit venture by an American investment firm, with a political agenda...

Or something like that.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: RobC on January 13, 2021, 11:49:48 am
Just like Ford trying to beat Ferrari in the 60's at le mans.. took Ford 4 years and about $300 mil in todays money to finally win, giving Ford a 3 year winning streak and Ferrari a middle finger., considering that Ford was going to buy Ferrari for $18 mil it turned out to be a very expensive middle finger.

Money, dedication and never giving up.. that is Honda, but KTM is not going to just lie down.. no sir.

The Italian government ultimately intervened, blocking Enzo from selling an "Italian national gem".

Otherwise, all Ferraris today would have looked like Sierra's and "Bertone" Granada's. :thumleft:
I do not think we would have Ferrari anymore... that was the the idea behind their purchase offer...
Take it over, produce some kak models then shut it down as "unprofitable"... >:D
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: OomD on January 13, 2021, 11:57:56 am
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
What is F1 ?
Something Honda doesn't know too well, apparently. ;D
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 12:01:52 pm
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
What is F1 ?
Something Honda doesn't know too well, apparently. ;D
Well there was this one time with Mr Senna, when it was still proper racing  >:D
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Dux on January 13, 2021, 12:10:44 pm
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
What is F1 ?

I hope this gives an idea
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Sheepman on January 13, 2021, 12:17:18 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

Don't you rate the new  the new fireblade? its far from soft

I rode one and its the best one so far........but still soft unfortunately. What's your own first hand experience of this latest Blade ?
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Roxtar on January 13, 2021, 01:29:32 pm
Looks like HRC off to good start with Dakar.... will not be surprised if they make 2021 a back to back year thereby finally breaking the KTM stranglehold.....

A day away and seems Honda on verge of doing it again if all goes well.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 01:44:46 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

Don't you rate the new  the new fireblade? its far from soft

I rode one and its the best one so far........but still soft unfortunately. What's your own first hand experience of this latest Blade ?

Look, the superbike you buy and the "superbike" that races in WSBK re two entirely different animals.

The public model only have to have the basic rule applications in place, to transfer to WSBK.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 13, 2021, 01:47:10 pm
Honda was even king of the 2 strokes (NSR 500) although Mr Honda did not like them at all, wise man  :peepwall:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 13, 2021, 03:07:40 pm

What is F1 ?
A for profit venture by an American investment firm, with a political agenda...

... favouring obscure places in Indo, China, Indochina or Arab countries.


I thought I'd add to your train of thoughts here  ;)
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on January 13, 2021, 03:21:30 pm
Racing is in Hondaís DNA thanks to Sochiro who believed in showcasing a product on the race track. Honda also does not give up. First couple of years back at Dakar was full of dissapointments and bad luck but they kept going at it and now look how dominant they have become. Ducati also irked them in SBK so they built their own V-twin the mighty RC51 and dominated.
Red Bull (F1) disagrees with you.
What is F1 ?
Something Honda doesn't know too well, apparently. ;D

Honda knows F1 fairly well I would say.. after the contracts ended they shifted focus. nothing wrong with that .. F1 is a bottomless black hole.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 13, 2021, 08:38:43 pm
Of all the Japanese manufacturers, Honda is known as Mr. Boring.

If Mr. Boring is leaving F1, you must know how kak boring those cars are.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: blauth on January 13, 2021, 10:49:55 pm
If there is one company that could pull something like this off, it is Honda.

They have probably been more about racing motorcycles than any other manufacturer out there, with a keen eye for talent, and a deep purse to reward.

Not with SBK though, if the mighty HRC keeps on churning out soft superbikes ( with nice paint jobs  ;) )

Don't you rate the new  the new fireblade? its far from soft

I rode one and its the best one so far........but still soft unfortunately. What's your own first hand experience of this latest Blade ?

What do you mean by 'soft'? with 217hp (or there abouts), it's very competitive with the other bikes in its class. I think the DucatiV4 is 234hp with the pipe option.
Either way, these 1l class bikes are becoming manic. A lot of the motoring journalists suggest they'd be downright death machines without all the rider and safety aids.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Sheepman on January 14, 2021, 06:40:12 am
Its no R1 or ZX 10 or Pani V4, thats for sure, despite the claimed hp figures . Despite the  claimed power, it doesn't feel as race sharp as the competition.The point is, some subjected folk makes it out to be a world beating Superbike, whilst my view is that it doesn't feel that way in stock trim. I am eagerly awaiting its performance in this years SA SBK competition.The journos are correct about the potential danger of these 200 plus hp superbikes, but that holds true for the previous generation bikes as well.
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: BuRP on January 14, 2021, 10:28:43 am
The point is....

... that this bike is Honda's road-legal (hence sellable, must make them some dough of course!) basis which can be perfectly modded (within the SBK rules) to give them a competitive contender!

Swap whatever is allowed (zorst, forks, shock, swinger, HRC-ECU etc), remove the road shite and put another loom on, then slap a carbon fairing on it and my bet is that it will be a contender to be reckoned with  ;)
Why else bring this bike out?
Definitely not for the meagre sales superbikes attain of late!
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 14, 2021, 09:29:14 pm
The point is....

... that this bike is Honda's road-legal (hence sellable, must make them some dough of course!) basis which can be perfectly modded (within the SBK rules) to give them a competitive contender!

Swap whatever is allowed (zorst, forks, shock, swinger, HRC-ECU etc), remove the road shite and put another loom on, then slap a carbon fairing on it and my bet is that it will be a contender to be reckoned with  ;)
Why else bring this bike out?
Definitely not for the meagre sales superbikes attain of late!

I agree!
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Roxtar on January 15, 2021, 08:55:18 am
A day away and seems Honda on verge of doing it again at Dakar if all goes well.... :thumleft:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: sidetrack on January 15, 2021, 09:34:44 am
Dakar - Honda has a good chance  :occasion18:
MotoGP - Yes if MM is injury free and stays on board !
World MX - Yes Gajser should have it
AMA SX and MX - I don't think so, Ken Roczen has some stiff competition
World SBK - again don't think they have a chance
World trials - don't know it at all ?
:biggrin:
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: dirtWarp on January 16, 2021, 10:50:36 am
Well done to Honda for Dakar 2021!

Don't know who this Chase Sexton fellow is but apparently he could put Honda on the map in AMA SX.

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Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 16, 2021, 11:22:52 am
What about the Isle of Man??
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Fudge on January 16, 2021, 11:34:29 am
Cancelled - https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2020/november/isle-of-man-tt-2021-cancelled
Title: Re: HRC wants to win all major classes in 2021
Post by: Dux on January 16, 2021, 11:44:44 am
Its no R1 or ZX 10 or Pani V4, thats for sure, despite the claimed hp figures . Despite the  claimed power, it doesn't feel as race sharp as the competition.The point is, some subjected folk makes it out to be a world beating Superbike, whilst my view is that it doesn't feel that way in stock trim. I am eagerly awaiting its performance in this years SA SBK competition.The journos are correct about the potential danger of these 200 plus hp superbikes, but that holds true for the previous generation bikes as well.

I have found the Hondaís of the past to be very deceptive , I think of older generation ZX10ís for example , if you are doing a certain lap time you knew you were doing those times , the CBRís were able to do the same lap times although it didnít feel like it . I might have done a faster lap time on the ZX but did a faster race time on the CBR .