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Title: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 28, 2021, 12:10:45 am
Mods, please make a sticky, or whatever magic it is you do to the other MotoGP threads?

So, who is getting edgy because we have no bike racing to watch?  It seems the most exciting sport news is how some Aussie cricketer swore at some Indian cricketer.

The 2021 Calendar is out and already some havoc due to the plague / pandemic / mild flu / conspiracy.

- First official testing for 2021 on Sepang in Malaysia was cancelled.
- Two extra days of testing was added at Qatar to manage the above. \
- The Argentinian and US GPs cancelled.
- One race added at Qatar to replace Argentina, so we will have the GP of Qatar on 28 March and then the GP of Doha one week later on 4 April
- Portimao in Portugal will replace the USA this time, so we go there on 18 April.
- Then the normal trek through Europe. Jerez (Spain), Le Mans (France), Mugello (Italy), Catalunya (Spain), Sachsenring (Germany), Assen (Netherland), Kymiring (Finland), Red Bull Ring (Austria), Silverstone (UK), Aragon (Spain), San Marini (Italy), Motegi (Japan), Chang (Thailand), Phillip Island (Australia), Sepang (Malaysia), Valencia (Spain). 19 races if no more changes.
- News on MM93 vague.  It seems he may not be ready for the first races of 2021 due to that arm that is not healing properly, or ... maybe he is.  He only passed a medical to start training on 14 January 2021. Like I said, news = vague.
- Dovi still without a ride, but ready to step into Repsol Honda to replace MM93 if required and requested.
- Davide Brivio, the Team Manager at Suzuki who engineered they brilliant return to MotoGP from nothing to a World Champion is leaving Suzuki for a Team Manager job in F1.  Sadly so!
- It seems Honda have made some changes to their 2020 bike for 2021.  Of course, due to the engine development freeze the engine remains unchanged, or so they say, but apparently lots of other changes to the bikes.
- There is no truth in the rumour that Yamaha valves will now be made by a small 1-man company in Stellenbosch.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BullSmit on January 28, 2021, 09:05:10 am
Mods, please make a sticky, or whatever magic it is you do to the other MotoGP threads?

So, who is getting edgy because we have no bike racing to watch?  It seems the most exciting sport news is how some Aussie cricketer swore at some Indian cricketer.

The 2021 Calendar is out and already some havoc due to the plague / pandemic / mild flu / conspiracy.

- First official testing for 2021 on Sepang in Malaysia was cancelled.
- Two extra days of testing was added at Qatar to manage the above. \
- The Argentinian and US GPs cancelled.
- One race added at Qatar to replace Argentina, so we will have the GP of Qatar on 28 March and then the GP of Doha one week later on 4 April
- Portimao in Portugal will replace the USA this time, so we go there on 18 April.
- Then the normal trek through Europe. Jerez (Spain), Le Mans (France), Mugello (Italy), Catalunya (Spain), Sachsenring (Germany), Assen (Netherland), Kymiring (Finland), Red Bull Ring (Austria), Silverstone (UK), Aragon (Spain), San Marini (Italy), Motegi (Japan), Chang (Thailand), Phillip Island (Australia), Sepang (Malaysia), Valencia (Spain). 19 races if no more changes.
- News on MM93 vague.  It seems he may not be ready for the first races of 2021 due to that arm that is not healing properly, or ... maybe he is.  He only passed a medical to start training on 14 January 2021. Like I said, news = vague.
- Dovi still without a ride, but ready to step into Repsol Honda to replace MM93 if required and requested.
- Davide Brivio, the Team Manager at Suzuki who engineered they brilliant return to MotoGP from nothing to a World Champion is leaving Suzuki for a Team Manager job in F1.  Sadly so!
- It seems Honda have made some changes to their 2020 bike for 2021.  Of course, due to the engine development freeze the engine remains unchanged, or so they say, but apparently lots of other changes to the bikes.
- There is no truth in the rumour that Yamaha valves will now be made by a small 1-man company in Stellenbosch.

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on January 28, 2021, 09:10:35 am
 :ricky: At last. 56 or something days to go.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 28, 2021, 12:05:18 pm
Mods, please make a sticky, or whatever magic it is you do to the other MotoGP threads?

So, who is getting edgy because we have no bike racing to watch?  It seems the most exciting sport news is how some Aussie cricketer swore at some Indian cricketer.

The 2021 Calendar is out and already some havoc due to the plague / pandemic / mild flu / conspiracy.

- First official testing for 2021 on Sepang in Malaysia was cancelled.
- Two extra days of testing was added at Qatar to manage the above. \
- The Argentinian and US GPs cancelled.
- One race added at Qatar to replace Argentina, so we will have the GP of Qatar on 28 March and then the GP of Doha one week later on 4 April
- Portimao in Portugal will replace the USA this time, so we go there on 18 April.
- Then the normal trek through Europe. Jerez (Spain), Le Mans (France), Mugello (Italy), Catalunya (Spain), Sachsenring (Germany), Assen (Netherland), Kymiring (Finland), Red Bull Ring (Austria), Silverstone (UK), Aragon (Spain), San Marini (Italy), Motegi (Japan), Chang (Thailand), Phillip Island (Australia), Sepang (Malaysia), Valencia (Spain). 19 races if no more changes.
- News on MM93 vague.  It seems he may not be ready for the first races of 2021 due to that arm that is not healing properly, or ... maybe he is.  He only passed a medical to start training on 14 January 2021. Like I said, news = vague.
- Dovi still without a ride, but ready to step into Repsol Honda to replace MM93 if required and requested.
- Davide Brivio, the Team Manager at Suzuki who engineered they brilliant return to MotoGP from nothing to a World Champion is leaving Suzuki for a Team Manager job in F1.  Sadly so!
- It seems Honda have made some changes to their 2020 bike for 2021.  Of course, due to the engine development freeze the engine remains unchanged, or so they say, but apparently lots of other changes to the bikes.
- There is no truth in the rumour that Yamaha valves will now be made by a small 1-man company in Stellenbosch.

Valves-R-us. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Ventana on January 28, 2021, 12:54:38 pm
 :sip:  Cant wait!  Here's hoping for a good year for the Binder Bro's.  Thinking that 'Divebomb' Darryn is going to be a man-on-a-mission in his new colours.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 28, 2021, 02:49:34 pm
Darryn will be in a top team with top tech, top staff and the very best of everything so I am think he will do well.  How well, i.e. World Champion, top three, top five, etc. remains to be seen, but regardless, I am looking forward to see him go again.  No matter what he does, no one can call him a boring rider.  Somewhere back in the annals of WD MotoGP treads someone asked who I thought was better, Brad or Darryn.  I responded that Brad was the strategist, the cool calm and collected rider.  Darryn is the wild one.  I can't say who is better, i.e. if the raced each other 100 times on exactly the same bikes, who would win the most, but what I do know if one of them is going to pull a stunt that everyone will say: "how the hell did he manage that!?" it will be Darryn.

Yes, I am looking forward to a few things this year.

1.  Brad's performance in MotoGP on a KTM that should be even more inproved.
2.  Darryn's performance in a top notch team with oodles of meoney and tech.
3.  MM93.  Will he return?  If so, will he be competitive?
4.  VR46 on a factory Yamaha, without the shackles the Yamaha factory impose.
5.  Petrux on a KTM.
6.  Luca Marini, VR46's brother's performance. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on January 28, 2021, 02:52:56 pm
Darryn in the same team as Rossi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 28, 2021, 03:06:21 pm
Darryn in the same team as Rossi.

No.  You have that all wrong.  I have it, from the horses mouth. Darryn himself during and interview said, after it was mentioned that he is in the same team as Rossi, in Darryn's very own special manner: "No.  Rossi is in the same team as I am!"    :lol8:

I hope for many grid interviews with Mr " Nou gaan ons braai"  this year!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on January 28, 2021, 03:09:39 pm
Darryn in the same team as Rossi.

No.  You have that all wrong.  I have it, from the horses mouth. Darryn himself during and interview said, after it was mentioned that he is in the same team as Rossi, in Darryn's very own special manner: "No.  Rossi is in the same team as I am!"    :lol8:

I hope for many grid interviews with Mr " Nou gaan ons braai"  this year!

Sorry you are correct!

 :imaposer: I watched that interview with Rob and Don.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 28, 2021, 03:54:49 pm
Darryn in the same team as Rossi.

No.  You have that all wrong.  I have it, from the horses mouth. Darryn himself during and interview said, after it was mentioned that he is in the same team as Rossi, in Darryn's very own special manner: "No.  Rossi is in the same team as I am!"    :lol8:

I hope for many grid interviews with Mr " Nou gaan ons braai"  this year!

Sorry you are correct!

 :imaposer: I watched that interview with Rob and Don.

I hope Valentino understands how fortunate he is!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 28, 2021, 05:02:44 pm
Darryn in the same team as Rossi.

No.  You have that all wrong.  I have it, from the horses mouth. Darryn himself during and interview said, after it was mentioned that he is in the same team as Rossi, in Darryn's very own special manner: "No.  Rossi is in the same team as I am!"    :lol8:

I hope for many grid interviews with Mr " Nou gaan ons braai"  this year!

Sorry you are correct!

 :imaposer: I watched that interview with Rob and Don.

I hope Valentino understands how fortunate he is!   :lol8:

Don't be blasphemous! :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on January 28, 2021, 05:05:55 pm
sub :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on January 28, 2021, 05:17:15 pm
Darryn can give Valentino a master class in late breaking and how to do the divebomb!



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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 28, 2021, 09:12:58 pm
Darryn can give Valentino a master class in late breaking and how to do the divebomb!



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Valentino can do with any classes at the moment.......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on January 28, 2021, 09:37:54 pm
Darryn can give Valentino a master class in late breaking and how to do the divebomb!



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Valentino can do with any classes at the moment.......

And some new valves.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: I&horse on January 29, 2021, 07:33:13 am
Sub
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on January 29, 2021, 07:44:42 am
Darryn can give Valentino a master class in late breaking and how to do the divebomb!



Sent from my SM-A260F using Tapatalk

Valentino can do with any classes at the moment.......

And some new valves.....

If it weren't for those valves, Yamaha would have won manufacturer's title last year. After the most disastrous season in their history.......go figure.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 29, 2021, 10:19:15 am
Darryn can give Valentino a master class in late breaking and how to do the divebomb!



Sent from my SM-A260F using Tapatalk

Valentino can do with any classes at the moment.......

And some new valves.....

If it weren't for those valves, Yamaha would have won manufacturer's title last year. After the most disastrous season in their history.......go figure.

Janee Danie.  As an ardent Yamaha supporter I was driven to crying in my red cooldrink many times last year.  The championship was pretty much handed to Yamaha on a platter and they still managed to screw it up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 29, 2021, 11:09:43 am
Lights added to flags for MotoGP, WSBK and World Endurance Racing.

About time as well.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950681/1/fim-homologates-first-flag-light-panel-ahead-mandatory-motogp-use
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 29, 2021, 11:16:22 am
A bit of interesting news from KTM is that the Crew Chief to Brad Binder last year will move to Tech3 KTM as Crew Chief to Danilo Petrucci.  The Crew Chief who worked with BB33 all of his Moto2 career is moving to Red Bull KTM to be Crew Chief to Brad.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on January 29, 2021, 11:26:14 am
https://www.gpone.com/en/2021/01/28/motogp/its-time-to-scrap-riders-rossi-remains-marquez-the-only-one-on-the-same-bike.html

A dinosaur amongst manikins (not to be confused with those advertising models)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on January 30, 2021, 09:19:16 am
https://www.gpone.com/en/2021/01/28/motogp/its-time-to-scrap-riders-rossi-remains-marquez-the-only-one-on-the-same-bike.html

A dinosaur amongst manikins (not to be confused with those advertising models)

This is very interesting.  Thanks!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 02, 2021, 07:35:59 pm
The biggest partof the VR46 Academy squad will spend two days practising on Portimao next week.  All four MotoGP riders (VR46, Morbidelli, Bagniaia and Marini), as well as the two SkyVR46 Moto2 and two SkyVR46 Moto3 riders.  None are allowed to use the race bikes, so the four MotoGP riders will use Yamaha (Rossi and Morbidelli) and Ducati (Bagniaia and Marini) superbikes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bartman on February 02, 2021, 09:07:16 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 02, 2021, 10:50:42 pm
It seems BRNO in the Czech Republic and Buriram in Thailand is off the 2021 calendar. 

BRNO because the requirement to resurface will not be met due to financial constraints caused by racing with no spectators.  BRNO usually draws 200 000 spectators to a MotoGP race.

Thailand due to Covid fears.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 03, 2021, 09:00:40 am
It seems BRNO in the Czech Republic and Buriram in Thailand is off the 2021 calendar. 

BRNO because the requirement to resurface will not be met due to financial constraints caused by racing with no spectators.  BRNO usually draws 200 000 spectators to a MotoGP race.

Thailand due to Covid fears.

Brad doesn't seem to think BRNO needs a resurface  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 03, 2021, 09:42:56 am
It seems BRNO in the Czech Republic and Buriram in Thailand is off the 2021 calendar. 

BRNO because the requirement to resurface will not be met due to financial constraints caused by racing with no spectators.  BRNO usually draws 200 000 spectators to a MotoGP race.

Thailand due to Covid fears.

Brad doesn't seem to think BRNO needs a resurface  :ricky:
He is used to Potch's roads  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 03, 2021, 11:21:55 am
It seems BRNO in the Czech Republic and Buriram in Thailand is off the 2021 calendar. 

BRNO because the requirement to resurface will not be met due to financial constraints caused by racing with no spectators.  BRNO usually draws 200 000 spectators to a MotoGP race.

Thailand due to Covid fears.

Brad doesn't seem to think BRNO needs a resurface  :ricky:
He is used to Potch's roads  :pot:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 05, 2021, 09:58:38 am
Michele Pirro days to first MotoGP race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on February 06, 2021, 12:54:49 am
That's a deceptive photo ........................... or is he a big boy?

51 days, you say? ...................... I'm still paying for a DSTV connection but don't even live in SA.

The only reason I keep it is for MotoGP .......................................... and the fact my wife is still there .................  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 06, 2021, 07:21:52 pm
I believe he is a tad taller than the average.  I hate DSTV, but till I have a proper fiber connection I have to keep it for MotoGP.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 06, 2021, 07:22:57 pm
Eugene Laverty days to first MotoGP.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 08, 2021, 12:11:22 pm
Can the season not start this weekend Dorna?  Please!  Have a heart!

Axel Pons days to start of first race.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 08:55:36 am
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal . 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BullSmit on February 09, 2021, 09:14:11 am
Brilliant TB!!!!  :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 09, 2021, 09:18:33 am
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .
Everything believable except point 1  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 09:20:47 am
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .
Everything believable except point 1  :biggrin:

What weakness is this you are showing?  You didn't call me a Rossi-fanboy!  I am shocked!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 09, 2021, 12:19:43 pm
Watching the Unridables last week i couldnt help wondering... 20 odd years ago the racers were mostly yanks, brits and Ozzies with the occasional Italian.

Nowadays its dominated by Spaniards and Italians.  What happened ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 12:30:13 pm
Watching the Unridables last week i couldnt help wondering... 20 odd years ago the racers were mostly yanks, brits and Ozzies with the occasional Italian.

Nowadays its dominated by Spaniards and Italians.  What happened ?

I have never seen it that way, but you could be right.  Are you sure though, or did you form a perception?  While you think about that I will see if I can find some figures.  Science and all that you know.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 12:51:00 pm
Kilroy raised an interesting question, so I went for a look.  I took the top 15 riders in the championship top class only in 10 year increments, starting in 1980.  It seems you are correct, at least about the last 20 - 40 years even.  My guess is that we saw a few things happen.

- The USA for a long time followed their own championship.  Own classes, etc.  It also seems that they had, for a period no or very little feeder classes.
- The UK went toward WSBK in terms of racing classes.  See how they rule the roost in WSBK.
- Spain started a racing academy and a Spanish championship almost identical to the MotoGP championship smaller classes.
- Italy recently gained the VR46 Academy for Italian riders, but they also have a championship similar to MotoGP smaller classes.
- It is much cheaper and easier for an Italian or Spaniard to get into and participate in the various " beginner"  classes such as Red Bull Rookies Cup, Junior World Championship, Spanish or Italian Moto3 Championship.
 
1980:

Champion = USA
US = 2
GB = 1
Italy = 5 (interesting this includes one Graziano Rossi who finished 5th)
Netherlands = 3
Venezuela = 1
NZ = 1
Switzerland = 1
RSA = 1

1990:

Champion = USA
USA = 4
GB = 2
Italy = 2
Aus = 2
Spain = 2
France = 2
Brazil = 1

2000:

Champion = USA
USA = 1
GB = 1
Italy = 3
Spain = 2
Brazil = 1
Aus = 1
Japan = 4
France = 1
Netherlands = 1

2010:

Champion = Spain
USA = 3
Italy = 4
Spain = 5
Aus = 1
France = 1
Japan = 1

2020:

Champion = Spain
Italy = 4
Spain = 5
Aus = 1
France = 2
Portugal = 1
Japan = 1
RSA = 1

 

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 09, 2021, 01:18:30 pm
Wait now...are your stats correct for the 90s?  If i recall correctly there was a Ozzie oke called Micky Doohan?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:23:47 pm
Wait now...are your stats correct for the 90s?  If i recall correctly there was a Ozzie oke called Micky Doohan?

Are we now not discussing the change from the USA/GB riders to It/Sp riders, but rather the accuracy / inaccuracy of the figures I showed?  :imaposer:

Anyway, the stats for 1990 are correct.  He is one of the 2 riders I listed under 1990.  The other was Wayne Garner.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 09, 2021, 01:29:34 pm
O sorry, see now what you did, counted the top 15 riders.  If you think of the battles from 85 to late 90s it was lawson, rainey, schwanz, gardener, randy, doohan, etc.. even before that incl spencer.. 

From 83 to 98 the campion was either from the US or Oz

Thereafter an Italian era

Lately its all Spain.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:31:38 pm
O sorry, see now what you did, counted the top 15 riders.  If you think of the battles from 85 to late 90s it was lawson, rainey, schwanz, gardener, randy, doohan, etc.. even before that incl spencer.. 

From 83 to 98 the campion was either from the US or Oz

Thereafter an Italian era

Lately its all Spain.

As I said, I only took the top 15 of that particular year.  1990 is therefore 1990 only and not the 90's.

There was definitely and American era and then a Australian era.  These days it is basically ONE FORKING SPANIARD!  :biggrin:

It would be interesting to give GP points to the countries as earned by their riders to see which country did the best in a given year, for instance an Italian won, but there were Americans 2, 3 and 4th.  Too much for just before my nap time though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 09, 2021, 01:37:43 pm
Can you pull stats of the 1sr 2d and 3rd racers from 83 - 2000? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:40:55 pm
Can you pull stats of the 1sr 2d and 3rd racers from 83 - 2000?

For each year?  You sound like my math teacher in the last period on Friday!   :o

Will try.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:51:35 pm
1983:  Spencer, Robert, Mamola.  3 x US.  (For interest sake 4th was Lawson, also US)
1984:  Lawson, Mamola, Roche. 2 x US, 1 x French
1985:  Spencer, Lawson, Sarron. 2 x US, 1 by French
1986:  Lawson, Garner, Mamola. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1987:  Gardner, Mamola, Lawson.  2 x US, 1 x Aus
1988:  Lawson, Gardner, Rainey.  2 x US, 1 x Aus
1989:  Lawson, Rainey, Sarron. 2 x US, 1 x French
1990:  Rainey, Schwanz, Doohan.  2 x US, 1 x Aus.

Rest to follow.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 02:00:45 pm
1991:  Rainey, Doohan, Schwanz. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1992:  Rainey, Doohan, Kocinski. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1993:  Schwanz, Rainey, Beattie. 2 x US, 1 x Aus
1994:  Doohan, Cadalora, Kocinski. 1 x Aus, 1 x Ita, 1 x US
1995:  Doohan, Beattie, Cadalora. 2 x Uas, 1 x Ita
1996:  Doohan, Criville, Cadalora. 1 x Aus, 1 x Spn, 1 x Ita
1997:  Doohan, Okada, Aoki. 1 x Aus, 2 x Jap
1998:  Doohan, Biaggi, Criville. 1 x Aus, 1 x Ita, 1 x Spn
1999:  Criville, Robert Jnr, Okada. 1 x Spn, 1 x US, 1 x Jap
2000:  Roberts Jnr, Rossi, Biaggi.1 x US, 2 x Ita
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 09, 2021, 02:28:17 pm
Spain is a incredible sporting nation, golf, tennis, Trials, MotoGp, F1, etc.

The reason for the US' dominating a few decades ago, is the transition a lot of their riders did from flat-tracking to roadracing, and not being frightened by a bike moving around at high speed.

The Americans took over from the straight-up, no leaning-off-the-bike Britons like Bazza, making the knee-down trend universal.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 09, 2021, 07:15:19 pm
Spain is a incredible sporting nation, golf, tennis, Trials, MotoGp, F1, etc.

The reason for the US' dominating a few decades ago, is the transition a lot of their riders did from flat-tracking to roadracing, and not being frightened by a bike moving around at high speed.

The Americans took over from the straight-up, no leaning-off-the-bike Britons like Bazza, making the knee-down trend universal.

The Americans were extremely good at bike handling due to their flat-track racing skills and therefore the era known as the American invasion.

I don't know the US bike history so well, but I get the impression bike racing (road racing or track racing) sort of collapsed in the USA in an era where it grew exponentially  in Europe.  The current MotoAmerica series who took over the AMA Superbike series under leadership of Wayne Rainey is working hard to fix that, but they are new at the game, having only started in 2015.  Their purpose is: "MotoAmerica's primary goal is to reinvigorate motorcycle road racing in North America and ultimately send its riders to the top-level international championships: MotoGP and World Superbike".  They also work to get riders into Moto 3 and Moto 2 including arranging sponsorships, etc.  They have even created an American Moto 2 team, which, in 2021, will field Cameron Beaubier, MotoAmerica Superbike Champion of 2020.  The team's Racing Director is ex-racer John Hopkins.  The team owned by Eitan Butbul and Avner Kass also created an American Rider Academy recently.



 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 10, 2021, 09:37:05 am
So, two teams have launched their new team colours.

First was Avintia Racing who have two title sponsors this year unveiled first.  We will see blue/black Ducatis on the grid.  This must be a first. One bike is sponsored by Avintia themselves in conjunction with Esponsorama.  The other by Sky VR46.  Avintia have already indicated that this will be their last year in MotoGP.  This announcement coupled with their very public marriage with SkyVR46 and fielding VR46's brother, sort of seals the rumour that there will be a SkyVR46 team on the grid from 2022 onward.  The question is only, what bikes will they use.  I cannot see Rossi accept 2 year old Ducatis and Suzuki is talking about a satellite team.

Second came factory Ducati now with title sponsor Lenovo.  Guess the colour of the bikes.  Indeed, no surprise.  They are, as always, red.  Very red.  Even their winglets are red.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 10, 2021, 09:47:12 am
So, two teams have launched their new team colours.

First was Avintia Racing who have two title sponsors this year unveiled first.  We will see blue/black Ducatis on the grid.  This must be a first. One bike is sponsored by Avintia themselves in conjunction with Esponsorama.  The other by Sky VR46.  Avintia have already indicated that this will be their last year in MotoGP.  This announcement coupled with their very public marriage with SkyVR46 and fielding VR46's brother, sort of seals the rumour that there will be a SkyVR46 team on the grid from 2022 onward.  The question is only, what bikes will they use.  I cannot see Rossi accept 2 year old Ducatis and Suzuki is talking about a satellite team.

Second came factory Ducati now with title sponsor Lenovo.  Guess the colour of the bikes.  Indeed, no surprise.  They are, as always, red.  Very red.  Even their winglets are red.
Good Lord they are starting to look like Lego Creator bikes. Suzuki's look best by a country mile, still nice and rounded in all the right places  :drif:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on February 10, 2021, 10:02:23 am
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

That's Classic!

@TheBear , can I quote you over on ADVrider?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: ZK1 on February 10, 2021, 10:26:24 am
I saw a quick clip on Facebook about how "skelm" F1 is, with filling water tanks with little lead balls in the water after a race to get the weight up etc.

It's seems to be a lot less prevalent in MotoGP, does anyone have any stories like that?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 10, 2021, 01:13:12 pm
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

That's Classic!

@TheBear , can I quote you over on ADVrider?

 :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on February 10, 2021, 01:48:46 pm
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

That's Classic!

@TheBear , can I quote you over on ADVrider?

 :thumleft:

Cool....

https://advrider.com/f/threads/yooperbikemikes-2021-motogp-thread.1477312/page-31#post-41787054
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 10, 2021, 10:22:09 pm
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kerritz on February 11, 2021, 08:50:32 am
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 11, 2021, 10:19:18 am
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on February 11, 2021, 12:45:41 pm
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ?
High risk because... he's old? :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 11, 2021, 08:59:49 pm
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ?
High risk because... he's old? :lol8:

Nope.  Declared low risk, because unlike you two old farts, he can still ride faster than Covid can travel on the back of a 99,9% dead bat crawling through molasses.   :lol8:

MODS!  I need a NUKE THE F*CKERS button please?  I promise, I will use it with great responsibility.  Njannies.   :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 11, 2021, 09:03:52 pm
A little early, but by the time you lot wake up it will be Valentino Rossi days to the first race.

Does he not fall in the c19 high risk category?  Will they let him out ?

He's taken his AstraZeneca. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 11, 2021, 09:03:58 pm
Ah yes, MotoGP in the good old days.  Here we see the reigning world champion relaxing in the team's luxury motor home, while highly qualified technicians fine tune his bike with their laptops in a top notch, high tech garage befitting a factory world championship racing team.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BullSmit on February 12, 2021, 10:37:29 am
En dit lyk of hy 'n babelaas probeer afslaap....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on February 12, 2021, 11:29:07 am
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2021, 02:45:53 pm
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.

There were rumours late last year that Red Bull would withdraw as sponsor for the Tech3 team.  It seems those rumours were true.  The small ELF logo may indicate where the title sponsor will come from in a year or so.

It seems there is no shortage or orange paint though ....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2021, 02:53:32 pm
The Red Bull KTM Factory bikes are pretty much the same as last year.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2021, 02:56:17 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: ZK1 on February 12, 2021, 03:40:25 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.
Probably because so many sponsors and merch etc is connected to the number.

I know if I had to make stuff, and now have to change all the jigs and templates etc just because this little f..cker now wants to run another number I will sh1t myself.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on February 12, 2021, 04:25:42 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.
Probably because so many sponsors and merch etc is connected to the number.

I know if I had to make stuff, and now have to change all the jigs and templates etc just because this little f..cker now wants to run another number I will sh1t myself.  :imaposer:

Well there is the fact that Johnathan Rea has been number 1 for a few years, and can probably sell No 1 merchandise for a few more years as well.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 12, 2021, 06:55:23 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.
Probably because so many sponsors and merch etc is connected to the number.

I know if I had to make stuff, and now have to change all the jigs and templates etc just because this little f..cker now wants to run another number I will sh1t myself.  :imaposer:

Well there is the fact that Johnathan Rea has been number 1 for a few years, and can probably sell No 1 merchandise for a few more years as well.

Yeah, but when Jonathan Rea decided to shift from 65 to 1, he couldn't have known he would be number one for many years to come. 

Personally, I think the riders stopped with the tradition for two reasons.  One is the merch, advertising, etc. coupled to the number and two is what caused one.  Numbers like 46, 93, 99, etc. became iconic.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 12, 2021, 08:29:07 pm
And then there is the superstitious riders who make sure they put the left glove on before the right one. Right boot left boot. Lucky underpants ect ect ect. Imagine the torment of changing a number.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 12, 2021, 09:15:31 pm
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.

There were rumours late last year that Red Bull would withdraw as sponsor for the Tech3 team.  It seems those rumours were true.  The small ELF logo may indicate where the title sponsor will come from in a year or so.

It seems there is no shortage or orange paint though ....
I find it strange that they couldn't get some  more sponsers considering their 2 wins and KTM's progress over the 2020 season. Could it be a French Austria thing. Elf also being a French sponser. What about a Renault Elf Teck3 KTM team.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 12, 2021, 09:29:14 pm
Ah yes, MotoGP in the good old days.  Here we see the reigning world champion relaxing in the team's luxury motor home, while highly qualified technicians fine tune his bike with their laptops in a top notch, high tech garage befitting a factory world championship racing team.

The technician furthest away is in fact one of the most knowledgeable people to ever have spannered on a racebike. He is Kel Carruthers.

The 3 stooges across the Cortina bonnet is unknown.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 12, 2021, 10:14:26 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.
He just knows he was not the best because MM93 was not there  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2021, 05:12:49 pm
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.

There were rumours late last year that Red Bull would withdraw as sponsor for the Tech3 team.  It seems those rumours were true.  The small ELF logo may indicate where the title sponsor will come from in a year or so.

It seems there is no shortage or orange paint though ....
I find it strange that they couldn't get some  more sponsers considering their 2 wins and KTM's progress over the 2020 season. Could it be a French Austria thing. Elf also being a French sponser. What about a Renault Elf Teck3 KTM team.

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Perhaps the official dumping of Tech3 by Red Bull came to late to find a full title sponsor for this season?  Then again, KTM themselves sponsoring the Tech3 team as title sponsor is not a completely bad idea for them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2021, 05:15:02 pm
Joan Mir announced today that he will race with his number 36 and not with 1, which the champion is allowed to do.  This tradition is alive and well with Johanthan Rea reviving it in WSBK (he asked fans to vote), but MotoGP riders seem to have dumped this tradition around 07 or so.

He just knows he was not the best because MM93 was not there  :pot:

Must be that, yes.    :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 13, 2021, 05:31:15 pm
Pol Espargaro days to first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 13, 2021, 05:36:32 pm
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.

There were rumours late last year that Red Bull would withdraw as sponsor for the Tech3 team.  It seems those rumours were true.  The small ELF logo may indicate where the title sponsor will come from in a year or so.

It seems there is no shortage or orange paint though ....


They do look damn fine in all that orange!!! :thumleft:

Never noticed those serrations in the upper fairing before...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 13, 2021, 05:40:52 pm
So no Red Bull on the Tech 3 bikes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950830/1/first-look-tech3-ktm-turns-orange-motogp-2021

Very pretty though.

There were rumours late last year that Red Bull would withdraw as sponsor for the Tech3 team.  It seems those rumours were true.  The small ELF logo may indicate where the title sponsor will come from in a year or so.

It seems there is no shortage or orange paint though ....


They do look damn fine in all that orange!!! :thumleft:

Never noticed those serrations in the upper fairing before...
They arrived in 2020.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 13, 2021, 05:41:04 pm
Ah yes, MotoGP in the good old days.  Here we see the reigning world champion relaxing in the team's luxury motor home, while highly qualified technicians fine tune his bike with their laptops in a top notch, high tech garage befitting a factory world championship racing team.

The technician furthest away is in fact one of the most knowledgeable people to ever have spannered on a racebike. He is Kel Carruthers.

The 3 stooges across the Cortina bonnet is unknown.

And you got to love the beer cans for knee sliders that were standard issue.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on February 13, 2021, 05:43:28 pm
Ah yes, MotoGP in the good old days.  Here we see the reigning world champion relaxing in the team's luxury motor home, while highly qualified technicians fine tune his bike with their laptops in a top notch, high tech garage befitting a factory world championship racing team.

The technician furthest away is in fact one of the most knowledgeable people to ever have spannered on a racebike. He is Kel Carruthers.

The 3 stooges across the Cortina bonnet is unknown.

And you got to love the beer cans for knee sliders that were standard issue.  :thumleft:
Those days it took a real man to crush one of those beer cans in one hand.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 13, 2021, 05:53:58 pm
Pol Espargaro days to first race.

Will be my hero's days before long ... # 41  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 14, 2021, 09:42:01 am
Some weird Australian days to first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 14, 2021, 09:43:36 am
Ah yes, MotoGP in the good old days.  Here we see the reigning world champion relaxing in the team's luxury motor home, while highly qualified technicians fine tune his bike with their laptops in a top notch, high tech garage befitting a factory world championship racing team.

The technician furthest away is in fact one of the most knowledgeable people to ever have spannered on a racebike. He is Kel Carruthers.

The 3 stooges across the Cortina bonnet is unknown.

And you got to love the beer cans for knee sliders that were standard issue.  :thumleft:

Greatest advantage of a factory team, is that the beer that produced the cans was not paid for by the rider himself.  :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 15, 2021, 12:49:38 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on February 15, 2021, 03:03:05 pm
Still got the training wheels, I see .....................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 15, 2021, 03:27:11 pm
Still got the training wheels, I see .....................  :biggrin:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

It is for the youngsters now riding for them. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 15, 2021, 06:22:20 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Valves included? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 15, 2021, 07:12:11 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Valves included? :pot:

I was told they now have their valves made by an Indian valve manufacturing company.  Apparently these guys are trusted valve manufacturers because they expertly make kiddies swimming aids and their valves never fail .....   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 15, 2021, 08:11:57 pm
Very unfashionable to make snide anti-Yamaha comments only a few days after Valentines.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 15, 2021, 08:18:57 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Not sure who one must focus/not focus on?

BTW - Which one is 2SD's Valentine?  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 16, 2021, 07:59:25 am
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Not sure who one must focus/not focus on?

BTW - Which one is 2SD's Valentine?  ???
What a horrible photoshop, all their money must have gone to valve R&D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on February 16, 2021, 08:01:32 am
Suzuki but from last year
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 16, 2021, 11:37:56 am
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Not sure who one must focus/not focus on?

BTW - Which one is 2SD's Valentine?  ???
What a horrible photoshop, all their money must have gone to valve R&D

Yamaha is after all the company that brought you the reliable high performance valve....... :ricky: Way back in 1997. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on February 16, 2021, 02:29:42 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Not sure who one must focus/not focus on?

BTW - Which one is 2SD's Valentine?  ???
What a horrible photoshop, all their money must have gone to valve R&D

Yamaha is after all the company that brought you the reliable high performance valve....... :ricky: Way back in 1997. :deal:
Clearly those valves have now reached their "Best Before" date. :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 16, 2021, 02:36:59 pm
Very unfashionable to make snide anti-Yamaha comments only a few days after Valentines.

Even worse, a day prior to VR46's birthday!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 16, 2021, 02:38:14 pm
Yamaha Factory team bikes launched today.  Pretty much the same as previous year.

Not sure who one must focus/not focus on?

BTW - Which one is 2SD's Valentine?  ???

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Yamaha is after all the company that brought you the reliable high performance valve....... :ricky: Way back in 1997. :deal:

They should have replaced them before the 2020 season.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 16, 2021, 06:53:07 pm
There is no truth in the rumour that the Tech3 KTM team will be sponsored by Oros.


Will be my hero's days before long ... # 41  :ricky:

Specially for @RobD

Aleix Espargaro days to first MotoGP race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 16, 2021, 07:35:36 pm
There is no truth in the rumour that the Tech3 KTM team will be sponsored by Oros.


Will be my hero's days before long ... # 41  :ricky:

Specially for @RobD

Aleix Espargaro days to first MotoGP race.

Nee man! Voerstek djy jou ongeskikte man.....

If you are joking then I'm really impressed  :laughing4:, if you are dissing the legend of Noriyuki Haga we are gonna baklei.... :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 16, 2021, 07:51:03 pm
There is no truth in the rumour that the Tech3 KTM team will be sponsored by Oros.


Will be my hero's days before long ... # 41  :ricky:

Specially for @RobD

Aleix Espargaro days to first MotoGP race.

Nee man! Voerstek djy jou ongeskikte man.....

If you are joking then I'm really impressed  :laughing4:, if you are dissing the legend of Noriyuki Haga we are gonna baklei.... :pot:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

I have to admit, I did find your passion for Mr. Esparagus, Aleix strange, but I have seen stranger, so I accepted your choice.  Pray Sir, forgiveness.  Askies!  A honest mistake.  Herewith a correction as I would never diss the NitroNori!

Noriyuki Haga days to first MotoGP race for 2021.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 16, 2021, 08:09:08 pm
There is no truth in the rumour that the Tech3 KTM team will be sponsored by Oros.


Will be my hero's days before long ... # 41  :ricky:

Specially for @RobD

Aleix Espargaro days to first MotoGP race.

Nee man! Voerstek djy jou ongeskikte man.....

If you are joking then I'm really impressed  :laughing4:, if you are dissing the legend of Noriyuki Haga we are gonna baklei.... :pot:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

I have to admit, I did find your passion for Mr. Esparagus, Aleix strange, but I have seen stranger, so I accepted your choice.  Pray Sir, forgiveness.  Askies!  A honest mistake.  Herewith a correction as I would never diss the NitroNori!

Noriyuki Haga days to first MotoGP race for 2021.


Forgiveness granted and correction appreciated!..... #Nitronori  #samuraiofslide  :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 17, 2021, 10:03:15 am
Dive Bomber days to first race!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 17, 2021, 12:34:54 pm
Good news.. looks like he will be back on the grid with Pol.

Game on

https://motogp.hondaracingcorporation.com/report/ten-week-medical-check-for-marc-marquez/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 17, 2021, 02:20:43 pm
Good news.. looks like he will be back on the grid with Pol.

Game on

https://motogp.hondaracingcorporation.com/report/ten-week-medical-check-for-marc-marquez/

It is his birthday today.  Getting long in the tooth now moving towards 30 and all.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 20, 2021, 12:46:54 pm
The official Honda satellite team, LCR Honda launched their team colours.  As in the past and like Avintia Ducati this year they will have two different sponsors for the two bikes.  Takaaki Nakagami will again be on the Idemnitsu sponsored bike, while Alex Marquez takes over the Givi sponsored bike from Cal Crutchlow.  You would be forgiven if you thought AM73 is sponsored by Smarties.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 20, 2021, 02:51:04 pm
Ooooh, just a hint of old Castrol colours there. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 21, 2021, 01:30:49 pm
Joan Mir days to start of the first race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 22, 2021, 01:40:53 pm
2021 Repsol Hondas launched.  Could be the 2020 bikes, or perhaps the 2002 ones ....  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on February 22, 2021, 03:08:45 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 22, 2021, 04:00:32 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Do they have Braille version?  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 22, 2021, 04:36:17 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Who is this " everyone"  who want to change the Repsol colours?  I have yet to meet such a person.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 22, 2021, 05:53:34 pm

https://www.motogp.com/en/videos/2021/02/22/the-full-2021-repsol-honda-team-official-presentation/361689?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=offseason_launchvideo_en&utm_campaign=traffic&j=397257&sfmc_sub=36808727&l=97_HTML&u=28653693&mid=100010274&jb=1024
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 22, 2021, 09:13:47 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Yes, they're the only colours that still look like a racebike, and not an artist's colour chart or palette.

Look at those LCR satellite bikes, I believe they do short pink, but the rest is all there. :eek7:

Repsol Hondas remind me of the Marlboro Yamahas. Beauties.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 23, 2021, 09:52:42 am
Some guy from the past days to first MGP.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 23, 2021, 09:54:33 am
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Yes, they're the only colours that still look like a racebike, and not an artist's colour chart or palette.

Look at those LCR satellite bikes, I believe they do short pink, but the rest is all there. :eek7:

Repsol Hondas remind me of the Marlboro Yamahas. Beauties.

To be fair on the colour schemes, Repsol Honda is one of the few teams who only have one major sponsor.  The LCR team bike that AM73 rides share sponsorship with Givi and Castrol and a few smaller ones.  Also, even the Marlboro Yamahas (and like you I loved their looks) went through a few colour scheme design changes over the years.

I have to confess though, this was the most beautiful race bike ever, in my not so humble opinion.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/37/9b/2e379b0c21fe2467ae3a574748c28d71.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 24, 2021, 09:14:37 am
Only BB33 days to first MGP in Qatar!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on February 24, 2021, 05:11:16 pm
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950932/1/official-motogp-team-principal-fausto-gresini-has-died
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 24, 2021, 05:13:55 pm
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950932/1/official-motogp-team-principal-fausto-gresini-has-died

Yes all over the motorsport press. Very sad loss to motorsport and MotoGP. He was a double world champ himself. RIP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 24, 2021, 06:48:29 pm
 >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 24, 2021, 08:36:41 pm
 :eek7: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on February 24, 2021, 09:10:56 pm
>:D
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 09:29:34 am
https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/950932/1/official-motogp-team-principal-fausto-gresini-has-died

Yes all over the motorsport press. Very sad loss to motorsport and MotoGP. He was a double world champ himself. RIP.

Very sad news.  He spend 2 months in hospital prior to his passing.

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=256251.0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 09:31:20 am
>:D

MODS!!!

KILROY!!!

I really, I mean REALLY need a " NUKE THE F*CK*R!" button urgently!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 11:18:37 am
Ducati and their MotoGP riders went private testing on Jerez a week or so ago.  Ducati test rider Michele Pirro was riding the 2021 MotoGP Desmosidici while the riders (not allowed to test) were on street legal V4R Panigales.  The Panigales had the same slick tyres on as the MotoGP bike and all go fast parts available for Ducati customers at Ducati dealers.  On average, at the end of the day, the MotoGP riders were just on 2s slower per lap than the MotoGP bike.

Now, 2s in that sport can be an age, but that is still bloody impressive and it does raise a few questions:

1. Is the Panigale V4R really that good?
2. Is the Desmocidici really that crap?
3. Is the Ducatio MotoGP riders that much better than their test rider?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 25, 2021, 12:14:30 pm
>:D

MODS!!!

KILROY!!!

I really, I mean REALLY need a " NUKE THE F*CK*R!" button urgently!   >:D

Guess what, Snow-white got no length increase there!

Perhaps some wood-splinters up her wagongyna.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 12:22:21 pm
>:D

MODS!!!

KILROY!!!

I really, I mean REALLY need a " NUKE THE F*CK*R!" button urgently!   >:D

Guess what, Snow-white got no length increase there!

Perhaps some wood-splinters up her wagongyna.

I also feel she was left unsatisfied. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 25, 2021, 01:11:50 pm
I think he has a nose for these things  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 05:11:07 pm
I think he has a nose for these things  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

For incredibly sharp wit you move from #1 to #5 on my TO BE NUKED list.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on February 25, 2021, 07:32:19 pm
I think he has a nose for these things  :imaposer:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

For incredibly sharp wit you move from #1 to #5 on my TO BE NUKED list.   :snorting:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 25, 2021, 10:59:20 pm
Pramac Ducatis launched.  News is that both Pramac Ducatis will be 100% factory spec.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on February 26, 2021, 09:24:49 am
>:D

MODS!!!

KILROY!!!

I really, I mean REALLY need a " NUKE THE F*CK*R!" button urgently!   >:D

Had the button ready but it as unreliable - used Yamahaís valves...

Btw - fark Suzuki. They must race in yellow or white, not farking blue like proper working yamahas.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2021, 09:53:07 am
>:D

MODS!!!

KILROY!!!

I really, I mean REALLY need a " NUKE THE F*CK*R!" button urgently!   >:D

Had the button ready but it as unreliable - used Yamahaís valves...

Btw - fark Suzuki. They must race in yellow or white, not farking blue like proper working yamahas.

I told you to get the parts for the nuke button made in China.  Why did you not listen?

Agreed on the Suzukis.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 26, 2021, 10:31:13 am
Pramac Ducatis launched.  News is that both Pramac Ducatis will be 100% factory spec.


Jirrrrrrrr...... Daai bikes raak elke jaar net leliker!

Remember when they were beautiful and deadly creatures?






Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on February 26, 2021, 01:07:41 pm
Thankfully, pretty soon, we will be watching them at 330 km/h which will make them all rather pretty.    :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on February 26, 2021, 01:13:02 pm
Pramac Ducatis launched.  News is that both Pramac Ducatis will be 100% factory spec.


Jirrrrrrrr...... Daai bikes raak elke jaar net leliker!

Remember when they were beautiful and deadly creatures?

 Stem 100% saam Maar ons raak ook elke jaar ouer!!!!

Hulle is dalk mooier vir die nuwe generasie!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on February 27, 2021, 05:25:18 pm
Pramac Ducatis launched.  News is that both Pramac Ducatis will be 100% factory spec.


Jirrrrrrrr...... Daai bikes raak elke jaar net leliker!

Remember when they were beautiful and deadly creatures?

 Stem 100% saam Maar ons raak ook elke jaar ouer!!!!

Hulle is dalk mooier vir die nuwe generasie!!!

Feite broer!! :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on February 27, 2021, 08:22:51 pm
Pramac Ducatis launched.  News is that both Pramac Ducatis will be 100% factory spec.


Jirrrrrrrr...... Daai bikes raak elke jaar net leliker!

Remember when they were beautiful and deadly creatures?

 Stem 100% saam Maar ons raak ook elke jaar ouer!!!!

Hulle is dalk mooier vir die nuwe generasie!!!

As dit waar is, het die nuwe generasie mos swak smaak. :ricky: :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 01, 2021, 09:26:05 am
Casey Stoner days to first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 01, 2021, 12:00:19 pm
Petronas Sepang Rcing Team Yamaha launched their bikes for the 2021 season today.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 01, 2021, 01:51:14 pm
Petronas Sepang Rcing Team Yamaha launched their bikes for the 2021 season today.
They dont look very excited
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on March 01, 2021, 02:08:27 pm
https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2021/03/01/petronas-sepang-racing-team-launch-their-2021-campaign/362128
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BullSmit on March 01, 2021, 02:46:19 pm
Petronas Sepang Rcing Team Yamaha launched their bikes for the 2021 season today.
They dont look very excited

They have their 'race faces' on!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 01, 2021, 02:53:28 pm
So bly VR ry nog met sulke dayglo inserts in sy mondering.
Dit is makliker om hom uit te ken in die middel van die veld. ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2021, 07:29:35 pm
So bly VR ry nog met sulke dayglo inserts in sy mondering.
Dit is makliker om hom uit te ken in die middel van die veld. ;)

Dan moet ou MM vir hom n dayglow huis bou dat ons hom daar kan uitken...... :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 02, 2021, 11:27:02 am
So bly VR ry nog met sulke dayglo inserts in sy mondering.
Dit is makliker om hom uit te ken in die middel van die veld. ;)

Dan moet ou MM vir hom n dayglow huis bou dat ons hom daar kan uitken...... :ricky:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 02, 2021, 11:27:41 am
So bly VR ry nog met sulke dayglo inserts in sy mondering.
Dit is makliker om hom uit te ken in die middel van die veld. ;)

Dis dus vir jou belangrik om hom uit te ken?  Mens kan verstaan.  The GOAT!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 02, 2021, 11:29:55 am
Dani Pedrosa days to the first race.

(Only a few days to first official testing!)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 02, 2021, 12:53:50 pm
Dani Pedrosa days to the first race.

(Only a few days to first official testing!)

Nefie, het hy omgeval daar of beweeg hy hmmm?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: ZK1 on March 02, 2021, 02:53:38 pm
Dani Pedrosa days to the first race.

(Only a few days to first official testing!)

Nefie, het hy omgeval daar of beweeg hy hmmm?
Jy sal dit nie glo nie, maar hy ry daar teen 'n vertikale muur..............
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 02, 2021, 02:57:21 pm
En sy klere is deesdae meer oranje...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 02, 2021, 04:31:52 pm
Dani Pedrosa days to the first race.

(Only a few days to first official testing!)

Nefie, het hy omgeval daar of beweeg hy hmmm?

Nee hel, my omie.  Ek weet nie.  Ek kyk ok maar net die kiekies.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 02, 2021, 05:23:31 pm
Dani Pedrosa

Is hy terug vanjaar?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 03, 2021, 08:09:44 am
Dani Pedrosa

Is hy terug vanjaar?

KTM Test Rider
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 03, 2021, 08:10:56 am
I see DB40 finished 7th yesterday after his first outing on the Honda. Ahead of his team mate and about .8 down on P1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 03, 2021, 09:26:18 am
Is see DB40 finished 7th yesterday after his first outing on the Honda. Ahead of his team mate and about .8 down on P1.

I am hoping for big things from Darryn this season. It still seems so long to wait.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 03, 2021, 09:30:16 am
Is see DB40 finished 7th yesterday after his first outing on the Honda. Ahead of his team mate and about .8 down on P1.

I am hoping for big things from Darryn this season. It still seems so long to wait.

I'm holding thumbs too.
This year is probably his last chance to make a proper career out of it. He is in a proper team with a pipeline to MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on March 03, 2021, 10:16:18 am
Is see DB40 finished 7th yesterday after his first outing on the Honda. Ahead of his team mate and about .8 down on P1.

I am hoping for big things from Darryn this season. It still seems so long to wait.

I'm holding thumbs too.
This year is probably his last chance to make a proper career out of it. He is in a proper team with a pipeline to MotoGP.

I like his attitude and he seems to have matured a little. I always thought he was a little big for those smaller bikes. More hp might  be a great thing for him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 03, 2021, 10:29:57 am
Yeah, this year won't be easy, Moto3 never is.
But I believe it was the better move to stay behind for a seat in a major squad with arguably the best bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2021, 12:17:40 pm
Is see DB40 finished 7th yesterday after his first outing on the Honda. Ahead of his team mate and about .8 down on P1.

I am hoping for big things from Darryn this season. It still seems so long to wait.

I'm holding thumbs too.
This year is probably his last chance to make a proper career out of it. He is in a proper team with a pipeline to MotoGP.

I like his attitude and he seems to have matured a little. I always thought he was a little big for those smaller bikes. More hp might  be a great thing for him.

He is way better off on a #1 team's Moto3 bike, rather than a third team Moto2 bike.  Weak Moto2 teams is where great Moto3 riders go to disappear for ever.  The Petronas team is now arguably the best setup to be in as they are the only team competitive in all three classes.  There are only one other team competing in all three classes and that is the Gresini team who stinks on the Aprilias in MotoGP.  What about KTM you ask?  They do not have a team in Moto2.  The Ajo Racing team uses a Kalex with KTM sponsorship.  So, Darryn going into Petronas was a brilliant move on their part.

Darryn is an excellent rider and like BB33 will shine if on a bike, even a Moto3 bike, if the bike is competitive.  Many have already forgotten how often BB33, then BB41 crashed on the Mahindras and Hondas before he got the factory KTM ride.  A commentator once said about Brad: "If it wasn't for bad luck, this kid would have no luck". 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 03, 2021, 01:44:11 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Who is this " everyone"  who want to change the Repsol colours?  I have yet to meet such a person.

Do you follow HRC on facebook?

Go look at the comments when Repsol release their livery.

You will find 100's of people commenting about how boring Honda is because the bikes look the same as the last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2021, 02:52:30 pm
Repsol.. by far my favourite, but then again I'm a bit biased.

I'm not sure why everyone wants to have Honda change the Repsol Colours, I think it looks fantastic especially under the lights at Quatar.. .

Who is this " everyone"  who want to change the Repsol colours?  I have yet to meet such a person.

Do you follow HRC on facebook?

Go look at the comments when Repsol release their livery.

You will find 100's of people commenting about how boring Honda is because the bikes look the same as the last year.

No, I don't follow HRC on FB.  You will agree with me that 100's of people commenting on the boring Repsol colours would hardly
constitutes "everyone".   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 04, 2021, 10:34:15 am
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on March 04, 2021, 10:37:34 am
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)


Can we have a pie chart please Muzzy?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2021, 10:42:34 am
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)

No, not happy and most certainly not moving on.  You have yet to report back on your findings after the + and - comparison.  Step on it please.

You are now #2 on my "F*ck*r to be Nuked" list for rolling your little eyes at me.  Pasopa!   >:D

Side note:  I saw in another thread some dude singing your praises because you never insult people.  I thought to myself, "that can't be right. Fuzzy calls me an idiot at least once a week."   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2021, 10:43:49 am
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)


Can we have a pie chart please Muzzy?  :imaposer:

Oh!  Don't be so literal!  Just a list with numbers will be fine.   :snorting:

I wonder why everyone is demanding pie charts these days?   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2021, 10:59:52 am
I see DB40 stayed within the top 7 during unofficial testing on Jerez yesterday.  Team mate McPhee ended the day 2nd fastest.  While we all know these early tests are not much of an indication, I do believe top 10 during these early tests is way better than bottom 10. 

Tomorrow, official testing starts at Qatar.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2021, 03:53:33 pm
One day before shake down testing starts at Qatar, Aprilia launched their 2021 colours.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 04, 2021, 05:51:09 pm
One day before shake down testing starts at Qatar, Aprilia launched their 2021 colours.

Well these colours aint saying much for democracy.. . :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 04, 2021, 06:06:02 pm
One day before shake down testing starts at Qatar, Aprilia launched their 2021 colours.
Going to look in the kitty litter  >:D Seriously I support the underdogs but come on MM, show them who is boss
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 04, 2021, 07:11:58 pm
If I had a company called Sky, I'd be sponsoring the blue bikes ........................................... which, incidentally, will be getting you a lot of coverage this year  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 04, 2021, 08:59:04 pm
If I had a company called Sky, I'd be sponsoring the blue bikes ........................................... which, incidentally, will be getting you a lot of coverage this year  >:D

You mean like the Sky VR46 teams in all three classes?  Those Sky bikes?   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 04, 2021, 09:35:15 pm
One day before shake down testing starts at Qatar, Aprilia launched their 2021 colours.

Underwhelming much.  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on March 05, 2021, 07:45:26 am
Bring back the cigarettes- they knew how to brand bikes.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on March 05, 2021, 07:47:08 am
Own the night...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on March 05, 2021, 07:48:57 am
Men rate Gunston great...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 05, 2021, 11:38:30 am
This was my boyhood wet dream Gunston cage - Ford Capri Perana V8
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 12:00:01 pm
BigDom, mine too, and they were standing on the floor of Donford motors in Stellenbosch in the 70's, when Donford was still the local Yamaha agent.

Yes, these monsters were on display next to AG100's. :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 12:01:25 pm
FOUR WHEELED MONSTROSITIES!!!

*gasp shock horror*

I sort of disagree with Kiljoy.  No shit, hey?  MotoGP bikes are a lot like racing greyhounds.  The one that crosses the finishing line first is the prettiest.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 12:04:59 pm
BigDom, mine too, and they were standing on the floor of Donford motors in Stellenbosch in the 70's, when Donford was still the local Yamaha agent.

Yes, these monsters were on display next to AG100's. :eek7:

Yeah, I also drooled over them.  My uncle had a 3.0 V6 that was breathed upon by Basil Green.  It can't remember the details but cams and exhausts and all sorts of other go fast stuff.  This thing would go man.  It really did.  I used to feel like the main man when we went to Kyalami to watch the racing and those Gunston Peranas came by since I arrived in a Capri, albeit it not a Perana.

Even today, I rate the Capri as one of the more beautiful cars ever build.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 05, 2021, 12:15:44 pm
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)

No, not happy and most certainly not moving on.  You have yet to report back on your findings after the + and - comparison.  Step on it please.

You are now #2 on my "F*ck*r to be Nuked" list for rolling your little eyes at me.  Pasopa!   >:D

Side note:  I saw in another thread some dude singing your praises because you never insult people.  I thought to myself, "that can't be right. Fuzzy calls me an idiot at least once a week."   >:D

I don't recall calling you an idiot once a week..  I usually try to be as respectful as possible.

As for rolling my eyes.. did you mean these eyes  :laughing4: :laughing4:

All good, we all love GP here and I for one am very happy with the Repsol Livery seeing as I have 2 Repsol bikes.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:09:24 pm
I didnt know that we had to be so literal when discussing things on Wild Dogs, my mistake.

So to be clear then just for the sake of moving on. Not everyone.

I'll go and calculate the percentage of people being negative and compare it to people being positive and give you feedback on the correct percentage of people against the colours. :o

happy?

moving on. ::)

No, not happy and most certainly not moving on.  You have yet to report back on your findings after the + and - comparison.  Step on it please.

You are now #2 on my "F*ck*r to be Nuked" list for rolling your little eyes at me.  Pasopa!   >:D

Side note:  I saw in another thread some dude singing your praises because you never insult people.  I thought to myself, "that can't be right. Fuzzy calls me an idiot at least once a week."   >:D

I don't recall calling you an idiot once a week.. 

I didn't know we had to be so literal on WDs, my mistake!   ::)

Ai tog Fuzzball dude, forgive me.  It is MotoGP withdrawal causing me to say these things. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2021, 06:57:47 pm
Suzuki unveils.  No major change except for the addition of the Monster Energy logos.  Can this be an early indication that there will be a VR46 Suzuki team on the grid in coming years?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2021, 07:05:18 pm
Final results from Qatar Shake down tests. Friday 5 February.

Only test riders and rookies allowed to ride.

1. Bradl - Repsol Honda
2. Yamaha Test Rider - Yamaha Test 2
3. Yamaha Test Rider - Yamaha Test 1
4. Bastianini - Avintia Esponsorama Ducati
5. Pirro - Lenovo Ducati
6. Yamaha Test Rider - Yamaha Test 3
7. Savadori - Aorilia Gresini
8. Marini - VR46 Ducati Avintia
9. Guintoli - Ecstar Suzuki
10. Martin - Pramac Ducati
11. Pedrosa - KTM Test
12. Tsuda - Ecstar Suzuki
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 06, 2021, 10:07:55 pm
BB Putting the hammer down early.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2021, 07:46:24 am
BB Putting the hammer down early.

BB also put the hammer down early last year, and that petered out, so let's see what happens.

Yamaha seems to be a bit worried about testing and first two races at Losail, as they do well there, but start struggling in Europe.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2021, 07:53:25 am
BB Putting the hammer down early.

BB also put the hammer down early last year, and that petered out, so let's see what happens.


Disingenuous much.

PS Please do not discuss Yamaha's woes in the same post as BB   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2021, 08:05:48 am
BB Putting the hammer down early.

BB also put the hammer down early last year, and that petered out, so let's see what happens.


Disingenuous much.

PS Please do not discuss Yamaha's woes in the same post as BB   :imaposer:

With all it's woes, and I admit there were many, Yamaha still topped KTM in the manufacturer's championships....... O0

Seriously, Dom, Brad himself expressed unhappiness about his rookie year mistakes, basically throwing away a chance at better points.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 07, 2021, 09:24:10 am

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With all it's woes, and I admit there were many, Yamaha still topped KTM in the manufacturer's championships....... O0

And so they should having been in MotoGP forever unlike KTM!

Seriously, Dom, Brad himself expressed unhappiness about his rookie year mistakes, basically throwing away a chance at better points.

Pretty normal rookie year IMHO with some brilliant rides in the mix that gave him the Rookie of the Year trophy. Obviously he will kick himself for the over exuberance on occasion.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 07, 2021, 10:47:54 am
Final results from Saturday, Day 1 testing:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 07, 2021, 12:25:40 pm


With all it's woes, and I admit there were many, Yamaha still topped KTM in the manufacturer's championships....... O0

And so they should having been in MotoGP forever unlike KTM!

Seriously, Dom, Brad himself expressed unhappiness about his rookie year mistakes, basically throwing away a chance at better points.

Pretty normal rookie year IMHO with some brilliant rides in the mix that gave him the Rookie of the Year trophy. Obviously he will kick himself for the over exuberance on occasion.

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No anti-Brad sentiments from me, he himself expressed an opinion that he made stupid mistakes. He still did well though.

Also, in today's world of racing, it means nothing that you have been racing for a long time, things are too much on edge, and changes happen too quickly.

Given enough money an outsider can win a title. Has KTM not won titles in the smaller classes of GP?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 07, 2021, 02:12:35 pm
That spoiler on the RSV looks like it was stolen from a F1 bike  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 07, 2021, 03:23:10 pm
Final results from Saturday, Day 1 testing:
Why are certain names in red including Brad?

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2021, 11:43:18 am
Final results from Saturday, Day 1 testing:
Why are certain names in red including Brad?

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I don't know and I haven't been able to figure it out.  It doesn't say in the key to the table either. 

Sunday testing final times:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 08, 2021, 12:04:58 pm
I heard Brad had 2 falls, as had a number of others.

I guess finding the limit is partly what testing is for.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 08, 2021, 12:16:04 pm
I read that a lot of riders went down in turn 2 as the temp was dropping.

KTM were testing and working on their holeshot device which will now be working on the front suspension as well as the rear and were no that concerned with putting in fast laps.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2021, 12:31:06 pm
I heard Brad had 2 falls, as had a number of others.

I guess finding the limit is partly what testing is for.

He crashed once on Day 1 and twice on Day 2.  Hopefully he does all his crashing during testing.  It is difficult to draw conclusions from such early testing though, as we don't know what exactly which bike was testing.

Like Blockhead said, they were testing a new holeshot device and tere is a good chance that some of the bikes were testing their new engine.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2021, 05:18:26 pm
Fabio Quartararo days to first race!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2021, 02:22:49 pm
For the next two days of testing at Qatar, Cal Crutchlow's bike will wear this special livery as Yamaha commemorate 60 years of motorcycle racing.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 10, 2021, 02:26:13 pm
That looks nice.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 10, 2021, 02:27:38 pm
Crashlow just needs a white stick to go with the ensemble  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 10, 2021, 02:31:00 pm
so I see MM93 is signed up to race in Qatar. Lets see how he does.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 10, 2021, 02:35:03 pm
Crashlow just needs a white stick to go with the ensemble  :imaposer:

 :imaposer: Sounds like you have been hanging out with Jorge to long. At least he has one friend
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BullSmit on March 10, 2021, 03:19:24 pm
For the next two days of testing at Qatar, Cal Crutchlow's bike will wear this special livery as Yamaha commemorate 60 years of motorcycle racing.

Maybe I am just old school, but these simpler colours look way better to me....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 10, 2021, 03:22:54 pm
For the next two days of testing at Qatar, Cal Crutchlow's bike will wear this special livery as Yamaha commemorate 60 years of motorcycle racing.

Maybe I am just old school, but these simpler colours look way better to me....

Totally agree.
The different manufacturers also had more distinguishable identities because of it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2021, 03:35:39 pm
For the next two days of testing at Qatar, Cal Crutchlow's bike will wear this special livery as Yamaha commemorate 60 years of motorcycle racing.

Maybe I am just old school, but these simpler colours look way better to me....

Totally agree.
The different manufacturers also had more distinguishable identities because of it.

It is the thing with race bikes these days.  When I was a race bike scrutineer we often commented on the fact that we could not distinguish a Yamaha from a Kawasaki or Honda in Parc Ferme, unless we read the name on the side covers of the gearbox.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 10, 2021, 03:38:21 pm
The KTM's are the only one's that stand out in their brand colours at the moment. Especially the Tech3 team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 10, 2021, 05:28:59 pm
so I see MM93 is signed up to race in Qatar. Lets see how he does.

Sounds like you believe your one friend.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 10, 2021, 07:38:09 pm
Cal's speedblock Yamaha is just so beautiful....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2021, 08:13:37 pm
so I see MM93 is signed up to race in Qatar. Lets see how he does.

I believe he is on a provisional entry list, whatever the heck that is.

Pol is doing very well on the Honda during testing.  He may well be a force to be reckoned with as well.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on March 10, 2021, 08:17:45 pm
so I see MM93 is signed up to race in Qatar. Lets see how he does.

I believe he is on a provisional entry list, whatever the heck that is.

Pol is doing very well on the Honda during testing.  He may well be a force to be reckoned with as well.

Correct, does not mean he will race though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 10, 2021, 08:54:46 pm
Official testing from Qatar 10 March.

Highest top speed record so far.  Johann Zarco at 352,9 km/h. 

Some Ducatis were seen with a strange shape of tunnel inside the lower fairing.  It is guessed that it is some form of ground effect similar to F1 cars, but which will provide down force in the right direction when the bike is cranked over in a corner.  Could it be?  I don't know, but I do know Gigi at Ducati is a clever bugger and he regularly comes up with some very interesting firsts, all within the rules.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 10, 2021, 08:58:48 pm
The more I look at this Yamaha the prettier she gets.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210310/fe55acb544abbe311d7bb30c060f695a.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210310/c9e1589b78d421089a11cda231921644.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210310/383bfb6f33719c22049aa51875f8e6fb.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210310/6e81b244f6ae08956ab4a316f0be193c.jpg)

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 10, 2021, 09:55:01 pm
Very, very pretty......

If I remember correctly, the red speedblocks on white background is the colours of Yamaha Europe, while the USA had the black blocks on yellow.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 11, 2021, 09:01:42 am

Pol is doing very well on the Honda during testing.  He may well be a force to be reckoned with as well.

Agree with this. Makes it exciting.

I also hope the Duke is a better balanced package and performs well on more tracks, then we are in for some cool Miller podium interviews.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2021, 10:08:37 am
Very, very pretty......

If I remember correctly, the red speedblocks on white background is the colours of Yamaha Europe, while the USA had the black blocks on yellow.

I loved the yellow and black Yamahas.  This red and white was apparently the colour of the first Yamaha, 60 years ago, to race on the world stage.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 11, 2021, 10:10:53 am
Some old fart on a Yamaha days to the first race of 2021.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 11, 2021, 07:44:51 pm
 :laughing4:

Sting, on a bike, being pushed by princess Harry.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2021, 09:31:27 am
Holy moly!  Johann Zarco, on a beautiful red Ducati (which may, or may not remind some unnamed person of Lady Diana's red headed sister) did 357,67km/h yesterday.  That would certainly classify as rather rapid.
Yamahas seem hot, sort of like testing during the past few seasons.  I hope they keep on performing during the racing season as well.
Looks like Espargaro, P likes the Repsol Honda, but the Hondas are crashing more than any other bike.  Could this be an issue later in the season, or is it just bad luck.
Espargaro, A is doing surprisingly well on the all new Aprilia.
KTM struggling with BB33 best KTM in 16th place.  Maybe they are testing their slow riding handling?   :'(

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 12, 2021, 09:35:48 am
I figured out what the names in red were for while on crash.net this morning. If you click on them they open a link into a bio about the rider. So you can see their progression from their start of their career to moto GP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 13, 2021, 10:18:39 am
Final day of testing saw an huge sandstorm screwing it up and very few riders went on track.  In fact, only 5 did.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 13, 2021, 10:27:11 am
Combined times for all the testing from the past three days.  Nothing new compared to previous seasons. 

Yamaha doing great with three bikes in top 5 and all four bikes in top 11 with VR46 the slowest Yamaha.
Suzuki nicely middle of the pack.
Ducati fastest, middle of the pack and almost slowest.
KTM struggling with 16th their best effort.
One Aprilia looking good, one not so much.
Honda looking okay, but it must be a worry that the Honda rookie, Pol Espargaro is easily fastest of the lot.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on March 13, 2021, 02:44:21 pm
Yeah Bahrain also had a huge sandstorm where the F1 guys are testing. Maybe the same one that just blew over.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 14, 2021, 07:58:18 pm
Yeah Bahrain also had a huge sandstorm where the F1 guys are testing. Maybe the same one that just blew over.

Perhaps it's those Hondas in the sandtraps again.......... :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on March 14, 2021, 08:23:12 pm
I would love to see an engineering discussion on how chassis design affects turning in GP bikes. Not just the concept but an uber deep dive nerding out on the various designers and how they integrate their thinking into both the machine, but I presume, they also have some regard for the type of rider and their styles too.

But, like most things in that world, I suppose that's locked up behind some pretty epic non-disclosure contracts and serious professional competitiveness.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2021, 10:04:38 pm
I would love to see an engineering discussion on how chassis design affects turning in GP bikes. Not just the concept but an uber deep dive nerding out on the various designers and how they integrate their thinking into both the machine, but I presume, they also have some regard for the type of rider and their styles too.

But, like most things in that world, I suppose that's locked up behind some pretty epic non-disclosure contracts and serious professional competitiveness.

I think the basics is pretty straight forward and a few minutes on Google, or even with a club level racer will explain that.  It is once you measure success in 0,001s that it becomes a very complicated issue hidden behind some serious NDAs.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on March 14, 2021, 10:34:59 pm
I would love to see an engineering discussion on how chassis design affects turning in GP bikes. Not just the concept but an uber deep dive nerding out on the various designers and how they integrate their thinking into both the machine, but I presume, they also have some regard for the type of rider and their styles too.

But, like most things in that world, I suppose that's locked up behind some pretty epic non-disclosure contracts and serious professional competitiveness.

I think the basics is pretty straight forward and a few minutes on Google, or even with a club level racer will explain that.  It is once you measure success in 0,001s that it becomes a very complicated issue hidden behind some serious NDAs.

See that's the thing, google and YouTube parrot the same stuff; Stiffness in the vertical when out of the corner and under braking to give the suspension something solid to work from, but flexibility laterally when laid over to aid the tyre in absorbing bumps in the corners. I get it. But there's' no one who goes into the weeds about the finer details of design.

So, for example graphic plots of frame twist/flex at the same points per GP bike would be fun.... and never going to happen.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 14, 2021, 11:14:00 pm
I would love to see an engineering discussion on how chassis design affects turning in GP bikes. Not just the concept but an uber deep dive nerding out on the various designers and how they integrate their thinking into both the machine, but I presume, they also have some regard for the type of rider and their styles too.

But, like most things in that world, I suppose that's locked up behind some pretty epic non-disclosure contracts and serious professional competitiveness.

I think the basics is pretty straight forward and a few minutes on Google, or even with a club level racer will explain that.  It is once you measure success in 0,001s that it becomes a very complicated issue hidden behind some serious NDAs.

See that's the thing, google and YouTube parrot the same stuff; Stiffness in the vertical when out of the corner and under braking to give the suspension something solid to work from, but flexibility laterally when laid over to aid the tyre in absorbing bumps in the corners. I get it. But there's' no one who goes into the weeds about the finer details of design.

So, for example graphic plots of frame twist/flex at the same points per GP bike would be fun.... and never going to happen.

Yeah, it won't happen.  Not the finer detail, or at least not till some of these parts make it onto superbikes sold into the market.  Of course, while this happens, it is always some years behind where MotoGP is.

I also think most of the secrets these days are in the software and fine tuning of the software and of course certain hardware components.  If we take some of the hardware, like the suspensions.  All, bar the KTMs use Ohlins.  Brakes.  They all use Brembo with prescribed disc and caliper sizes.  So, if they all have the same suspensions and brakes, it stands to reason that how they fine tune that makes the difference.  The software sounds like a dark science though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 15, 2021, 11:28:24 am
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2021, 11:53:54 am
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 15, 2021, 12:03:26 pm
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 15, 2021, 12:30:04 pm
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.

Well, if I was Jack I would have a smile all the way around my head.  My ears would not even stop the smile.  It seems that they have that particular Ducati dialed in to be unbeatable.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 15, 2021, 12:35:44 pm
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.

Well, if I was Jack I would have a smile all the way around my head.  My ears would not even stop the smile.  It seems that they have that particular Ducati dialed in to be unbeatable.

On that track....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on March 15, 2021, 06:10:48 pm
35 in action....maybe an R1 coming out in a scheme like this

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on March 15, 2021, 07:30:21 pm
Celestino Vietti days to go..... :thumleft:




Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 15, 2021, 08:26:01 pm
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.

The way a motorcycle goes through turns, cranked over, will prevent the use of F1 type ground force designs, as that will have the same effect as adding weight in a corner, which slows corner speed.

The higher the topspeed attained, the harder or earlier you have to brake. the harder you brake, the more forces are fed into the chassis, and as we all know, bikes need to do 99% of hard braking BEFORE

they start turning.

I have always said that part of Ducati's "handling" problems is the top speeds they are being praised for. :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 15, 2021, 09:29:29 pm
Maybe ................ :thumleft:

That would explain why the slow Suzuki is the World Champion.

And that could explain why the previous year's Yamaha is always better than the current year's - it's too fast!!

Even though it's slower than the Ducati, the Honda, the KTM, the Aprilia, the Kawasaki, the BMW, the Loncin, etc ................... it's still too fast for itself
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 16, 2021, 11:10:13 am
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.

Well, if I was Jack I would have a smile all the way around my head.  My ears would not even stop the smile.  It seems that they have that particular Ducati dialed in to be unbeatable.

On that track....

Indeed ....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 16, 2021, 11:12:06 am
Celestino Vietti days to go..... :thumleft:

Nice one, but I had this Ida Zetterstrom chick in mind.   :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 16, 2021, 11:20:48 am
And interesting that the Ducati's have had laser sensors in place during practice measuring telemetry for all sorts of frame and aero inputs and tweaks. We know they have eye watering top speeds but have been working hard at the turn in and carrying corner speeds.

They are working very hard at cornering ability and I will not be surprised if sometime during the season, we hear some grumbling, possibly even a protest or two, about those strange looking tunnels inside their lowering fairings.  I have read that an F1 aerodynamic expert believes it is to work like winglets, while the bike is cranked over.  Personally, I cannot wait to see if this is true and if so, does it work.  Of course, if it works, dear old Uncle Gigi, once again, left the competition one step behind.

Yes they are working with ground effect aerodynamics. Innovators as always. I must say Jack looks like a cat that found the cream.

The way a motorcycle goes through turns, cranked over, will prevent the use of F1 type ground force designs, as that will have the same effect as adding weight in a corner, which slows corner speed.

The higher the topspeed attained, the harder or earlier you have to brake. the harder you brake, the more forces are fed into the chassis, and as we all know, bikes need to do 99% of hard braking BEFORE

they start turning.

I have always said that part of Ducati's "handling" problems is the top speeds they are being praised for. :snorting:

While I tend to want to agree with you, I can't as I have to accept that the guys building those bikes, developing them and riding them would probably know more than you or I would. 

Then Max Oxley in his recent column tells two interesting stories. 

One is that well know F1 designer, John Barnard 10 years ago, was already wondering whether some method could be found to make ground effects on MotoGP bikes work.

The other one was that he interviewed team Roberts top notch techies, Mike Sinclair and Warren Willing in the 1990s.  He asked them if traction control would ever be seen on MotoGP bikes, similar those found in F1.  Both categorically stated that this would be impossible since bikes were too complex.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 16, 2021, 01:06:38 pm
Ducati know what they are playing with - and yes it is ground effect aerodynamics with a focus on cornering. And yes because arriving in the corners rather hotter than most all others has its own challenges ... as well as chassis DNA that knows this long time 🙃
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 16, 2021, 07:11:33 pm
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 16, 2021, 07:45:05 pm
Perhaps different airflow in corners can adjust the downforce to either the back or front wheel?

If TC keeps the back wheel in check, then adding downforce to the front wheel should help.

Or, perhaps playing with corner airflow gives you more speed at same lean angle, essentially meaning that you can travel at the same speed as everyone else but at less lean angle.

Good for tyres, which equals good tyres for longer, which equals a race win.

2c from me ....................... but, really worth a lot more .................... people normally get shot for giving out this info ....................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 17, 2021, 10:06:21 am
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.

I agree and definately am not clever enough for this.
But if you harness the airflow in a corner and apply that pressure to a lever, it "just" depends where that lever is anchored to transfer said pressure and create a desired effect.

Or not... O0

Plus, what would the effect then be in a straight line.... :lamer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 17, 2021, 01:00:35 pm
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.

I agree and definately am not clever enough for this.
But if you harness the airflow in a corner and apply that pressure to a lever, it "just" depends where that lever is anchored to transfer said pressure and create a desired effect.

Or not... O0

Plus, what would the effect then be in a straight line.... :lamer:

One would have to have the ability of onboard control of the ducting/wings.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 17, 2021, 01:00:39 pm
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.

I fully agree that this sounds impossible.  I had no doubt that it cannot possibly be done.  Then, I saw those strange looking " tunnels" in the bottom part of the Ducati fairing and a bit of doubt crept in.  Now I am seriously wondering and if they do succeed, I would not be surprised.  Luckily, we will soon see.

Over the years, there has been a long list of " that is impossible"  issues that we saw become possible as the seasons went by.  It would be amazing to see yet another one ticked of as " possible actually".

I managed to fond the article again.  See link below.  Very clever aerodynamic engineers seems to believe it possible and already happening at Ducati since 2019.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/is-ducati-using-ground-effect-for-more-grip-in-motogp
 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 17, 2021, 01:11:25 pm
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.

I fully agree that this sounds impossible.  I had no doubt that it cannot possibly be done.  Then, I saw those strange looking " tunnels" in the bottom part of the Ducati fairing and a bit of doubt crept in.  Now I am seriously wondering and if they do succeed, I would not be surprised.  Luckily, we will soon see.

Over the years, there has been a long list of " that is impossible"  issues that we saw become possible as the seasons went by.  It would be amazing to see yet another one ticked of as " possible actually".

I managed to fond the article again.  See link below.  Very clever aerodynamic engineers seems to believe it possible and already happening at Ducati since 2019.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/is-ducati-using-ground-effect-for-more-grip-in-motogp
 

I have never before seen anything on a car or motorcycle as "impossible", even this, just very hard to understand how they'll make it work.

Some of these things are psychological acting to work on other teams' self confidence. :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 17, 2021, 01:38:22 pm
I would be interested to see how anyone is going to transfer "downforce into a bike's tyres, leaned over at say, 45degrees. There is no way, the way I see it, to transfer "downforce" through tyres into tarmac

while keeping that "downforce'  perpendicular to the tarmac. Anything else will add to outward force, and make the tyre lose grip.

Note; I am not saying Ducati's engineers are not brilliant, just that this one is sticky on a bike.

I fully agree that this sounds impossible.  I had no doubt that it cannot possibly be done.  Then, I saw those strange looking " tunnels" in the bottom part of the Ducati fairing and a bit of doubt crept in.  Now I am seriously wondering and if they do succeed, I would not be surprised.  Luckily, we will soon see.

Over the years, there has been a long list of " that is impossible"  issues that we saw become possible as the seasons went by.  It would be amazing to see yet another one ticked of as " possible actually".

I managed to fond the article again.  See link below.  Very clever aerodynamic engineers seems to believe it possible and already happening at Ducati since 2019.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/is-ducati-using-ground-effect-for-more-grip-in-motogp
 

I have never before seen anything on a car or motorcycle as "impossible", even this, just very hard to understand how they'll make it work.

Some of these things are psychological acting to work on other teams' self confidence. :deal:

Well, of course.  If I can convince Rossi to go .5sec a lap faster because he patted his dog twice and it works, why not?  The chang emay be in the mind, as long as the results are real.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 17, 2021, 02:15:32 pm
MM93 on a Honda RC213V-S yesterday on the Barcelona track.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 17, 2021, 03:18:18 pm
MM93 on a Honda RC213V-S yesterday on the Barcelona track.


Champ is back
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 17, 2021, 04:25:55 pm
In a big way  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 17, 2021, 05:44:05 pm
MM93 on a Honda RC213V-S yesterday on the Barcelona track.


Champ is back

Mir was never gone.   :lol8:

MM93, not yet.  Testing his shoulder a long way from where the first MGP will be.  Perhaps once they return to start the European circuit.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 18, 2021, 11:56:44 am
Luca Marini days to first race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: punisher on March 18, 2021, 12:37:35 pm
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on March 18, 2021, 12:46:00 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 18, 2021, 02:32:35 pm
MM93 on a Honda RC213V-S yesterday on the Barcelona track.


Champ is back

Mir was never gone.   :lol8:

MM93, not yet.  Testing his shoulder a long way from where the first MGP will be.  Perhaps once they return to start the European circuit.

The longer it takes the more we will see of the others!  This man like Rossi in the heydays is in a classof his own!  Hope he makes a full recovery!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 18, 2021, 06:57:44 pm
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

The reason we see smaller fields in MotoGp is because of the exorbitant cost of developing fancy "aids'.

Of course, they say it pushes development of roadbikes, but then why stint development by using same tyres, same ECU's, etc?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 18, 2021, 07:38:52 pm
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

The reason we see smaller fields in MotoGp is because of the exorbitant cost of developing fancy "aids'.

Of course, they say it pushes development of roadbikes, but then why stint development by using same tyres, same ECU's, etc?

We are not seeing smaller fields in any of the MotoGP classes.  Exactly the opposite. As little as 8 or so years ago, they had to bring in the Claim Rules Teams (CRT) in MotoGP to get the grid to be over 16 bikes.

M3 and M2 have no space on the grid and a few years ago, they actually had to trim the Moto2 field. 

MotoGP have 24 grid spots of which 22 are occupied.  This is why, if VR46 wants to field a team next year and Suzuki wants to bring in a satellite team and VR46 does not use Suzukis, one of them will have to buy an existing team like Avintia.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 18, 2021, 10:23:19 pm
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

all these fancy 'aids' are gonna be needed if they wanna beat MM
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2021, 10:09:20 am
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

all these fancy 'aids' are gonna be needed if they wanna beat MM

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

MM93 trolling this early in the season?   :o

Thing is, at present it is absolutely impossible for any of them to beat MM93, just like it is impossible for them to beat you, or me  since none of us are actually in the race to be beaten.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2021, 10:42:45 am
Petrux days to first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 19, 2021, 10:45:15 am
Obviously not on that bike next weekend.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 19, 2021, 10:50:19 am
Obviously not on that bike next weekend.

What do you mean?   :peepwall: ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 19, 2021, 09:47:45 pm
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

all these fancy 'aids' are gonna be needed if they wanna beat MM

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

MM93 trolling this early in the season?   :o

Thing is, at present it is absolutely impossible for any of them to beat MM93, just like it is impossible for them to beat you, or me  since none of us are actually in the race to be beaten.   >:D

'At present' is the only time they CAN beat him.................................. the past and the future is his ............................  :biggrin:

Not that I know him but I don't really like him (yet) ........................... but, he is the benchmark ..................... they gonna need more than a 'ground effect' to beat him.

A big stick is probably the only thing that'll work.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: drewdza on March 20, 2021, 04:56:12 am
Is there a WD Superbru pool for MotoGP this year?🤔
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 20, 2021, 07:29:59 am
Divebomb Darryn fastest after yesterdays practice with his team mate John McFee 2nd.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 20, 2021, 08:27:09 am
all these fancy 'aids"  , they should just go back to basics ............  solid rubber tires , no suspension ..................  like some wild dogs would prefer

all these fancy 'aids' are gonna be needed if they wanna beat MM

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

MM93 trolling this early in the season?   :o

Thing is, at present it is absolutely impossible for any of them to beat MM93, just like it is impossible for them to beat you, or me  since none of us are actually in the race to be beaten.   >:D

'At present' is the only time they CAN beat him.................................. the past and the future is his ............................  :biggrin:

Not that I know him but I don't really like him (yet) ........................... but, he is the benchmark ..................... they gonna need more than a 'ground effect' to beat him.

A big stick is probably the only thing that'll work.

He unfortunately carries his own big stick that he likes to use on himself. Crashes too often, loses front ends too often.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 20, 2021, 11:15:36 am
Is there a WD Superbru pool for MotoGP this year?🤔

Join Wilddogs, my MotoGP league on @Superbru! You can find my pool here:

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 20, 2021, 11:20:09 am
MM93 spend a day on Portimao riding.  The rumour suggests it is to see if he should enter the first race at Qatar next weekend.

Divebomb Darryn fastest after yesterdays practice with his team mate John McFee 2nd.

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Excellent start.  Yes, first testing isn't much of an indicator, but fastest during first test is a heck of a lot better than slowest during first test.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 20, 2021, 10:37:32 pm
2nd day of testing and young Darryn Binder finished 13th fastest.  Team mate McPhee was fastest.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 21, 2021, 08:12:04 am
2nd day of testing and young Darryn Binder finished 13th fastest.  Team mate McPhee was fastest.

Ja was wondering what he was up to having been fastest the day before? Maybe trying other set ups?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: drewdza on March 21, 2021, 01:04:20 pm
Is there a WD Superbru pool for MotoGP this year?🤔

Join Wilddogs, my MotoGP league on @Superbru! You can find my pool here:

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👍🏻 Pretty lonesome in the pool at the moment, maybe get the word out?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 21, 2021, 02:34:06 pm
Is there a WD Superbru pool for MotoGP this year?🤔

Join Wilddogs, my MotoGP league on @Superbru! You can find my pool here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=12318313

or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:

discpurr

👍🏻 Pretty lonesome in the pool at the moment, maybe get the word out?

Hopefully many of the dogs will be on the forum come Tuesday and then they will join up.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 21, 2021, 02:35:32 pm
2nd day of testing and young Darryn Binder finished 13th fastest.  Team mate McPhee was fastest.

Ja was wondering what he was up to having been fastest the day before? Maybe trying other set ups?

That is the issue with testing.  We never really know what they were doing.  Perhaps yesterday they were both going for a single fast lap while this time round McPhee did the single fast lap thing while Darryn did a race simulation.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 21, 2021, 02:36:10 pm
Barry Sheene days to first race.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 21, 2021, 05:52:03 pm
Is there a WD Superbru pool for MotoGP this year?🤔

Join Wilddogs, my MotoGP league on @Superbru! You can find my pool here:

https://www.superbru.com/motogp/pool.php?p=12318313

or by downloading the Superbru app and searching for the pool with code:

discpurr

👍🏻 Pretty lonesome in the pool at the moment, maybe get the word out?

Hopefully many of the dogs will be on the forum come Tuesday and then they will join up.

Ok, just joined ....................... first time, so will figure out what to do as the week goes on ........................  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 21, 2021, 07:15:13 pm
Barry Sheene days to first race.

 :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 22, 2021, 12:28:07 pm
Darryn Binder 10th fastest on third day of testing and Mr. Agostini days to the first race for 2021.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 23, 2021, 07:18:00 am
Zarco Days (past)  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 23, 2021, 09:08:47 am
Confirmed MM93 will not be racing during the first race at Qatar. 

Fun fact.  8 of the riders on the MotoGP grid on Sunday was born after VR46 made his debut in 125GP (Moto3).



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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on March 23, 2021, 10:53:50 am
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 23, 2021, 10:57:29 am
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

They may go for the "limited run" homologation route superbike wise, which would make those bikes very sought after, possibly. Superbike market seem depressed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 23, 2021, 11:41:59 am
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

They may go for the "limited run" homologation route superbike wise, which would make those bikes very sought after, possibly. Superbike market seem depressed.

Plus they need their own "practise" bikes like that S from Honda.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on March 23, 2021, 12:11:13 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

They may go for the "limited run" homologation route superbike wise, which would make those bikes very sought after, possibly. Superbike market seem depressed.

...or similar to their Dakar bikes, make cutomer gp spec bikes
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 23, 2021, 12:17:10 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

They may go for the "limited run" homologation route superbike wise, which would make those bikes very sought after, possibly. Superbike market seem depressed.

...or similar to their Dakar bikes, make cutomer gp spec bikes

Yes, an RC8 RR. :eek7:

I'll start saving up..........so I can buy a poster of one from KTM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 23, 2021, 01:48:03 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

While times change and with it strategy, KTM have indicated in the past that they have no wish to build another superbike.  Their previous attempt at it was not a great success and while never racing in superbikes, they got their arses kicked every which way in the superstock class.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 23, 2021, 02:00:52 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

While times change and with it strategy, KTM have indicated in the past that they have no wish to build another superbike.  Their previous attempt at it was not a great success and while never racing in superbikes, they got their arses kicked every which way in the superstock class.

That only means that they have a lot to prove there? But I agree that KTM will not race SBK, in fact, I am surprised that they are even in MotoGP.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 23, 2021, 02:37:09 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

While times change and with it strategy, KTM have indicated in the past that they have no wish to build another superbike.  Their previous attempt at it was not a great success and while never racing in superbikes, they got their arses kicked every which way in the superstock class.

That only means that they have a lot to prove there? But I agree that KTM will not race SBK, in fact, I am surprised that they are even in MotoGP.

Ja.  I can't see them attempt WSBK again.  Not while the are in MotoGP anyway.  They quickly realized supplying all the Rookies Cup bikes, almost half the Moto3 bike for world championship, junior world championship, Spanish and Italian championship, with 4 bikes in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP is a huge bite to manage.  They already withdrew from Moto2 to concentrate on MotoGP.  They would be silly to take a bite out of WSBK now.  Also, as you said, the superbike market is pretty flat these days.  The bikes you hate so much, big duellies, is what is selling.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on March 23, 2021, 02:43:57 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

While times change and with it strategy, KTM have indicated in the past that they have no wish to build another superbike.  Their previous attempt at it was not a great success and while never racing in superbikes, they got their arses kicked every which way in the superstock class.

That only means that they have a lot to prove there? But I agree that KTM will not race SBK, in fact, I am surprised that they are even in MotoGP.

Ja.  I can't see them attempt WSBK again.  Not while the are in MotoGP anyway.  They quickly realized supplying all the Rookies Cup bikes, almost half the Moto3 bike for world championship, junior world championship, Spanish and Italian championship, with 4 bikes in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP is a huge bite to manage.  They already withdrew from Moto2 to concentrate on MotoGP.  They would be silly to take a bite out of WSBK now.  Also, as you said, the superbike market is pretty flat these days.  The bikes you hate so much, big duellies, is what is selling.
Perhaps it's time for a world adventure bike championship...

Oh wait, we already have the GS Trophy. And BMW wins every time! ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 23, 2021, 02:55:18 pm
So KTM have signed for another 5 years with MotoGP... I wonder when we'll see a superbike from them, and if that will lead them into WSBK...

While times change and with it strategy, KTM have indicated in the past that they have no wish to build another superbike.  Their previous attempt at it was not a great success and while never racing in superbikes, they got their arses kicked every which way in the superstock class.

That only means that they have a lot to prove there? But I agree that KTM will not race SBK, in fact, I am surprised that they are even in MotoGP.

Ja.  I can't see them attempt WSBK again.  Not while the are in MotoGP anyway.  They quickly realized supplying all the Rookies Cup bikes, almost half the Moto3 bike for world championship, junior world championship, Spanish and Italian championship, with 4 bikes in Moto2 and 4 in MotoGP is a huge bite to manage.  They already withdrew from Moto2 to concentrate on MotoGP.  They would be silly to take a bite out of WSBK now.  Also, as you said, the superbike market is pretty flat these days.  The bikes you hate so much, big duellies, is what is selling.
Perhaps it's time for a world adventure bike championship...

Oh wait, we already have the GS Trophy. And BMW wins every time! ;)

NOOOO!!!

Uhm Danie!  No.  He did not mention BMW.  It is your screen, I promise.  Njannies!  No really.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 23, 2021, 03:47:05 pm
Confirmed MM93 will not be racing during the first race at Qatar. 

Fun fact.  8 of the riders on the MotoGP grid on Sunday was born after VR46 made his debut in 125GP (Moto3).



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I see on MM's socials he is out for both Qatar rounds.

That's a 50 point championship knock.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 23, 2021, 06:58:49 pm
MM is just scared to face the DOCTOR.......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 24, 2021, 09:39:11 am
MM is just scared to face the DOCTOR.......

He's probably sick of Doctors by now....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:14:46 am
Confirmed MM93 will not be racing during the first race at Qatar. 

Fun fact.  8 of the riders on the MotoGP grid on Sunday was born after VR46 made his debut in 125GP (Moto3).



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I see on MM's socials he is out for both Qatar rounds.

That's a 50 point championship knock.

He just spend two days on a RC213V-S on two race tracks to see if he was ready.  He clearly believes he wasn't, so a proper decision. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:16:31 am
Dovi days to first race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 24, 2021, 10:39:11 am
Dovi days to first race.
Is he riding Ducati again ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:42:38 am
Dovi days to first race.
Is he riding Ducati again ?

No.  He is not riding at all this season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 24, 2021, 10:48:48 am
Dovi days to first race.
Is he riding Ducati again ?

No.  He is not riding at all this season.

Well, have the Aprilia thing been finalised?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 24, 2021, 10:54:52 am
Dovi days to first race.
Is he riding Ducati again ?

No.  He is not riding at all this season.

Well, have the Aprilia thing been finalised?

He was not going to ride the Aprilia this season.  He is scheduled for a single test 12 - 14 April this year.  If he likes the bike and Aprilia likes how he rides it, there may well be a contract from next year onward.  I suppose there could be one immediately, but then Aprilia would have to break contract with one of their contracted for 2021 factory riders.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 24, 2021, 11:27:10 am
MM is just scared to face the DOCTOR.......

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 24, 2021, 12:05:47 pm
Dovi days to first race.
Is he riding Ducati again ?

No.  He is not riding at all this season.

Well, have the Aprilia thing been finalised?

He was not going to ride the Aprilia this season.  He is scheduled for a single test 12 - 14 April this year.  If he likes the bike and Aprilia likes how he rides it, there may well be a contract from next year onward.  I suppose there could be one immediately, but then Aprilia would have to break contract with one of their contracted for 2021 factory riders.

Yeah, they also mentioned the vacant test rider spot.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 24, 2021, 12:07:31 pm
The Doctor should finish his career on Aprilia, that would be apt
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 25, 2021, 07:03:16 am
Dunlop Days (I know not MotoGP but Legend ... and I think we also need some Dunlop rubber on the Qatar track).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 25, 2021, 09:11:47 am
 >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2021, 04:11:18 pm
>:D

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2021, 04:25:50 pm
Only 5 WDs going to play?

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 25, 2021, 04:26:48 pm
>:D

Rossi being Rossi, probably dreams about winning 20 titles........

Rossi is Italian, you see, they build Lamborghini, Maserati and Ferarri.

The Spaniards?  They assemble Seats, if I remember correctly. O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2021, 04:31:16 pm
>:D

Rossi being Rossi, probably dreams about winning 20 titles........

Rossi is Italian, you see, they build Lamborghini, Maserati and Ferarri.

The Spaniards?  They assemble Seats, if I remember correctly. O0

You should keep in mind that at one time the Spaniards were pretty good at building firearms.  Use it .....don't use it ....










Ag what the heck?  That was a very long time ago.  Doen met die Spanjaarde wat jy met die Sjinese wil doen.  Even the Seats were VW parts sorted into an assembled car form.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 25, 2021, 10:07:45 pm
Some old fart fooling around days to first race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 26, 2021, 08:56:30 am
Only 5 WDs going to play?

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I have already got my predictions in. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 26, 2021, 11:22:53 am
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I have already got my predictions in. :thumleft:

I will wait to the last minute.  Calculate FP1, FP2, FP3 and FP4 times to the nth degree.  Read feedback from riders.  Sniff the air coming from that direction and consult with the spirit of Nostrudamus as well as the local sangoma before making my prediction and get it wrong anyway.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: punisher on March 26, 2021, 11:43:56 am
and it still doesnt appear o n my DSTV , SO i can record it  ....... pffffft
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: adamktm on March 26, 2021, 11:57:05 am
On Channel 210 on Sunday. Quali on 206 on Saturday.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 26, 2021, 01:33:29 pm
DB40 2nd in FP1.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 26, 2021, 03:13:47 pm
Excellent run by DB40!   :thumleft:

BB33 in FP1 = 16th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 26, 2021, 07:01:56 pm
Ok, picks done.

I have never won a thing in my life, I only compete to give others someone to beat. 

Therefore, if like me, you have chosen Jack Miller to win anything, I'm afraid you have chosen the wrong horse ......................  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 27, 2021, 09:16:41 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

I also have Jack Miller for the win.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 27, 2021, 11:00:36 am
Doohan Days To Go  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2021, 11:34:31 am
Doohan who?   ;)

Yellow and Black bike day to first race.  *drrrrroooooooooooooolll*

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2021, 11:38:47 am
Free Practise 2 results. 

Sjoe!  The KTMs are struggling.  BBB33 best KTM in 16th spot.  Disappointing for sure.  Whatever is causing their woes, I hope they get it sorted.

Those Ducatis seems on a roll.  Top speed second to none and it seems they are turning.  When Jack Miller was asked which fairing he would use for the race, he said that it would definitely be the new one.  Asked why, what difference it makes, he said in typical Jackass style: "nah, it just looks cool" .

The all new Aprilia seems to be on song as well.  Maybe Espargaro, A will have a reason to smile this season.  That is, if after a few seasons with Aprilia, he still remembers how to smile.  After seeing the Aprilia during FP1 and FP2, I bet there are a few Moto2 riders who declined offers to ride that Aprilia this year, pulling some rather large handfuls of hair from their heads.

All four Yamahas in top 10.  Is this good, or just like we have seen the past few seasons.  On song during FPs, then in the race, not so much.  I saw Maverick doing practice starts every time he left the bits.

Hondas seem to be right there as well.  Not running away from the field, but not filling up the bottom of the time sheets.  It must be a tad worrying to them that they fell off the most during the 2 FP sessions.

The Suzukis are doing what they did last year.  Not the fastest, but pretty consistent in terms of banging in lap times almost identical lap after lap.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2021, 03:18:52 pm
DB40 was 6th in FP3, but misses out on a spot in Q2 by a single position.  He will have to fight in Q1 to, hopefully get a spot in Q2 otherwise he will again start middle of the pack.

BB33 was 19th in FP3 , so definitely in Q1 with, as it looks at present, little hope of making it into Q2.  The KTMs are still struggling with Brad the fastest of the four (16th on combined times).  Riders straight to Q2 are:

Morbidelli, Miller, Bagnaia, Quartararo, Zarco, Rins, Vinales, Rossi, Espargaro A, Espargaro, P.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 27, 2021, 04:22:42 pm
one more sleep.. cannot wait
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2021, 04:38:47 pm
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 27, 2021, 04:47:10 pm
DB40 was 6th in FP3, but misses out on a spot in Q2 by a single position.  He will have to fight in Q1 to, hopefully get a spot in Q2 otherwise he will again start middle of the pack.

BB33 was 19th in FP3 , so definitely in Q1 with, as it looks at present, little hope of making it into Q2.  The KTMs are still struggling with Brad the fastest of the four (16th on combined times).  Riders straight to Q2 are:

Morbidelli, Miller, Bagnaia, Quartararo, Zarco, Rins, Vinales, Rossi, Espargaro A, Espargaro, P.

Brilliant ride by DB in Q1 Position 1!  So into Q2  :thumleft: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 27, 2021, 05:00:00 pm
Vark and he is flying properly in Q2  - blitzed it straight out the box.  POLE!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 27, 2021, 06:00:09 pm
And a new lap record. I was NOT expecting that. Goosebumps.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Biesie on March 27, 2021, 07:40:18 pm
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Ok lets see what happens
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Breekbeen on March 27, 2021, 07:43:19 pm
Ou man op die scooter.......

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 27, 2021, 10:10:31 pm
Wow!  DB40 really shone today.  Missed Q2 by one spot.  Made it into Q2 from Q1, then as already said, new lap record and pole.  Bliksem!  Nicely done.  His team mate also on front row in 3rd.  This Petronas team is not there to play silly buggers. Staring 1 and 3 in Moto3, 7 and 15 in Moto2 and 4 and 7 in MotoGP. 

How about the old dude?  4th on the grid and first (and this sounds incredibly wrong on so many levels) independent rider.  When he went into Parc Ferme I thought, what the heck VR, did you not see you were knocked out of third?  Then I realised he is there because he is first independent rider.  I am going to have to say that to my self often to get used to the idea.

What about that top speed set by Zarco?  362,4km/h!  Holy moly!

Hardly start of the season and already someone cost me on Superbru as I had Quartararo for pole.  Pecco Bagnaia you shit!   :snorting:

Some observations.  We have had the debate on whether the bikes should be limited in any way, many times and the jury is out on that.  Unfortunately there were no MotoGP race on Losail in Qatar in 2020.  Due to Covid an engine development freeze was put in place by Dorna.  This means that the engines used by factory spec bikes were locked in in March 2020 and no upgrades or changes made since.  The satellite riders not on factory bikes are basically using 2019 engines.  Even with the engine development freeze for a year, bikes are faster. 

Top Speed Record:
2019 Marc Marquez  Honda 252km/h
2021 Johann Zarco  Ducati 262,4km/h

Fastest pole lap:
2019 Maverick Vinales Yamaha 1'53,546
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772

Lap Record:
2019 Marc Marquez Honda 1'53,380
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772  (Warm-up and race still to come, but unlikely to be broken in either)

Fastest Race Lap:
2016 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'54,927
2021 ???

VR46, with his lap that placed him 4th on the grid is the fastest lap he ever did around Losail.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on March 28, 2021, 04:23:06 pm
Insane racing. Go 40

So the king gonna beat 93 again. Cos93 got a sore shoulder.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 28, 2021, 08:59:02 pm
When the gaggle of Duke's got that tremendous holeshot, I thought I shat my pants.

But it was proven again that a well handling machine will beat a dragster.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 28, 2021, 09:35:18 pm
When the gaggle of Duke's got that tremendous holeshot, I thought I shat my pants.

But it was proven again that a well handling machine will beat a dragster.

Yes, Except they unfortunately dragged Mir to the finish  :o  (Ok he did run a bit wide but wonder if he would have held it nevertheless?).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 28, 2021, 10:09:06 pm
When the gaggle of Duke's got that tremendous holeshot, I thought I shat my pants.

But it was proven again that a well handling machine will beat a dragster.

Yes, Except they unfortunately dragged Mir to the finish  :o  (Ok he did run a bit wide but wonder if he would have held it nevertheless?).

Poor Mir!  I do think the Ducatis would have caught him still, or at least one of them, they were quite far ahead by the time they crossed the line.

I also missed the explanation on how and why the Ducati's were apparently negatively influenced by the headwind, more than the others?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on March 28, 2021, 10:26:44 pm
When the gaggle of Duke's got that tremendous holeshot, I thought I shat my pants.

But it was proven again that a well handling machine will beat a dragster.

Yes, Except they unfortunately dragged Mir to the finish  :o  (Ok he did run a bit wide but wonder if he would have held it nevertheless?).

Poor Mir!  I do think the Ducatis would have caught him still, or at least one of them, they were quite far ahead by the time they crossed the line.

I also missed the explanation on how and why the Ducati's were apparently negatively influenced by the headwind, more than the others?
Apparently it had to do with fuel and engine mapping, they cannot use the go-fast mode as it consumes too much fuel and the race mode does not have enough poeier to reach that crazy top speeds into the head wind.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 29, 2021, 07:12:03 am
At one stage, we had 3 different brands running top 3 spots.
Cant wait for 93 to come join the party.
Also great to zee Zarco got some mojo back.
Joan Mir showing his usual cool calm consistency, he really did deserve a 2nd spot.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 29, 2021, 07:56:38 am
The Suzuki's looks like the best package again, yes the finish was disappointing but they seem to get better and better s the race goes on. Fastest down the main straight and qualifying lap immaterial
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 29, 2021, 08:35:06 am
Wonder if Remy Gardner will follow in his father's footsteps  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 29, 2021, 08:54:41 am
When the gaggle of Duke's got that tremendous holeshot, I thought I shat my pants.

But it was proven again that a well handling machine will beat a dragster.

Especially if said dragster cannot run at full power due to fuel consumption.

A race around a track will always hold more surprises than a straight line drag anyway.  With the technology where it is now, we also have to factor in, over and above the bike and the rider, the group of white coated nerds behind laptops hiding in the pits. 

Personally I have never even thought that a strong headwind would impact so much on fuel consumption.  It would of course, but I never thought about it.  Rob the Ducati of 15 or so km/h top end and it is their end. We learn every day. 

What happened to MV?  He is the Yamaha rider who is supposed to race backwards, not Quartararo.  MV was impressive. It has been a couple of seasons since we have seen him this sure of himself on the bike. 

Yamahas rather disappointing for me as I want them to be 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th (Disclaimer: Unless BB33 is first).  Morbidelli suffered a most interesting failure.  His holeshot device refused to release. Bummer.  VR and FQ tyre woes?

KTMs was never in it.  I hope they get them sorted before next weekend.

Suzukis look like they will have another year of attacking from behind like a badly bred Doberman.  Must be weird racing in front and thinking, " okay, I worry about the bike 0,00001s directly behind me and the two bikes in 15th and 18th". 

Aprilia seems a tad better than previous years, but not podium contention yet.

Hondas like the kitty litter.  Those fron t wheels go away very quickly.  That said, Pol didn't look at all bad.

Bunch of a-holes properly screwed up my Superbru!   >:(

If it wasn't for Mr. Darryn Binder, the divebomber himself, yesterdays racing would have had me volunteering to do the dishes.  Ours and the neighbours.  Not because it was boring.  It wasn't, but because all my favourites, excluding Zarco, were racing to be 15th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on March 29, 2021, 09:13:59 am
 :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on March 29, 2021, 09:18:31 am
Wow!  DB40 really shone today.  Missed Q2 by one spot.  Made it into Q2 from Q1, then as already said, new lap record and pole.  Bliksem!  Nicely done.  His team mate also on front row in 3rd.  This Petronas team is not there to play silly buggers. Staring 1 and 3 in Moto3, 7 and 15 in Moto2 and 4 and 7 in MotoGP. 

How about the old dude?  4th on the grid and first (and this sounds incredibly wrong on so many levels) independent rider.  When he went into Parc Ferme I thought, what the heck VR, did you not see you were knocked out of third?  Then I realised he is there because he is first independent rider.  I am going to have to say that to my self often to get used to the idea.

What about that top speed set by Zarco?  362,4km/h!  Holy moly!

Hardly start of the season and already someone cost me on Superbru as I had Quartararo for pole.  Pecco Bagnaia you shit!   :snorting:

Some observations.  We have had the debate on whether the bikes should be limited in any way, many times and the jury is out on that.  Unfortunately there were no MotoGP race on Losail in Qatar in 2020.  Due to Covid an engine development freeze was put in place by Dorna.  This means that the engines used by factory spec bikes were locked in in March 2020 and no upgrades or changes made since.  The satellite riders not on factory bikes are basically using 2019 engines.  Even with the engine development freeze for a year, bikes are faster. 

Top Speed Record:
2019 Marc Marquez  Honda 252km/h
2021 Johann Zarco  Ducati 262,4km/h

Fastest pole lap:
2019 Maverick Vinales Yamaha 1'53,546
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772

Lap Record:
2019 Marc Marquez Honda 1'53,380
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772  (Warm-up and race still to come, but unlikely to be broken in either)

Fastest Race Lap:
2016 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'54,927
2021 ???

VR46, with his lap that placed him 4th on the grid is the fastest lap he ever did around Losail.



You can add another 100kph to those top speed records :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 29, 2021, 09:23:09 am
Wow!  DB40 really shone today.  Missed Q2 by one spot.  Made it into Q2 from Q1, then as already said, new lap record and pole.  Bliksem!  Nicely done.  His team mate also on front row in 3rd.  This Petronas team is not there to play silly buggers. Staring 1 and 3 in Moto3, 7 and 15 in Moto2 and 4 and 7 in MotoGP. 

How about the old dude?  4th on the grid and first (and this sounds incredibly wrong on so many levels) independent rider.  When he went into Parc Ferme I thought, what the heck VR, did you not see you were knocked out of third?  Then I realised he is there because he is first independent rider.  I am going to have to say that to my self often to get used to the idea.

What about that top speed set by Zarco?  362,4km/h!  Holy moly!

Hardly start of the season and already someone cost me on Superbru as I had Quartararo for pole.  Pecco Bagnaia you shit!   :snorting:

Some observations.  We have had the debate on whether the bikes should be limited in any way, many times and the jury is out on that.  Unfortunately there were no MotoGP race on Losail in Qatar in 2020.  Due to Covid an engine development freeze was put in place by Dorna.  This means that the engines used by factory spec bikes were locked in in March 2020 and no upgrades or changes made since.  The satellite riders not on factory bikes are basically using 2019 engines.  Even with the engine development freeze for a year, bikes are faster. 

Top Speed Record:
2019 Marc Marquez  Honda 252km/h
2021 Johann Zarco  Ducati 262,4km/h

Fastest pole lap:
2019 Maverick Vinales Yamaha 1'53,546
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772

Lap Record:
2019 Marc Marquez Honda 1'53,380
2021 Francesco Bagnaia Ducati 1'52,772  (Warm-up and race still to come, but unlikely to be broken in either)

Fastest Race Lap:
2016 Jorge Lorenzo Yamaha 1'54,927
2021 ???

VR46, with his lap that placed him 4th on the grid is the fastest lap he ever did around Losail.



You can add another 100kph to those top speed records :lol8:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Indeed.  Sometimes the connection between my brain and fingers work as well as the connection between Morbidellis holshot button and the holeshot device. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 29, 2021, 10:58:15 am
The Chassis is what I have always loved about Yamaha. And of course, many years ago, the 2stroke engines. :thumleft:

In the old day even, the NSR's would almost always have the power edge over the Yamaha YZR's, but it would be the handling that often gave Yamaha the championship.

Today, it has become a very fine balance between power, tyre wear, fuel consumption, etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 29, 2021, 11:24:20 am
The Chassis is what I have always loved about Yamaha. And of course, many years ago, the 2stroke engines. :thumleft:

In the old day even, the NSR's would almost always have the power edge over the Yamaha YZR's, but it would be the handling that often gave Yamaha the championship.

Today, it has become a very fine balance between power, tyre wear, fuel consumption, etc.

Same with me.  I have always liked the sweet handling bikes over the brutal powered ones.  Obviously on a track like Loseil, or Mugello with their very long straights outright power is an advantage, but handling is, in the greater scheme of things, better. 

These days that fine balance you mention is down to fractions and a minute error can cost a rider 10 places easily. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 29, 2021, 12:07:05 pm
The Chassis is what I have always loved about Yamaha. And of course, many years ago, the 2stroke engines. :thumleft:

In the old day even, the NSR's would almost always have the power edge over the Yamaha YZR's, but it would be the handling that often gave Yamaha the championship.

Today, it has become a very fine balance between power, tyre wear, fuel consumption, etc.

Same with me.  I have always liked the sweet handling bikes over the brutal powered ones.  Obviously on a track like Loseil, or Mugello with their very long straights outright power is an advantage, but handling is, in the greater scheme of things, better. 

These days that fine balance you mention is down to fractions and a minute error can cost a rider 10 places easily.

Zarco se Duc het sweet handling" vertoon toe hy gaan draai het in die kitty litter op die einde van die main straight , met sy 362kmph stootjie.... :lol8:
Dit is nou nie altemit nie, die man het uit en uit alles ingesit om die rekord te klap saam met `n stert windjie.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on March 29, 2021, 12:27:18 pm
i am going to console Mir's mom...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on March 29, 2021, 04:27:45 pm
i am going to console Mir's mom...
Milf, much? :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 29, 2021, 09:02:09 pm
I believe that Dorna, Cumbradius and the other few who runs MotoGP, should simply take this win by Vinhales on that Yamaha as the textbook race for future reference.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on March 29, 2021, 10:19:24 pm
I believe that Dorna, Cumbradius and the other few who runs MotoGP, should simply take this win by Vinhales on that Yamaha as the textbook race for future reference.
Valve gate chapter can now also be closed. Heard production moved from New Delhi back to Iwata.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 29, 2021, 10:45:46 pm
I believe that Dorna, Cumbradius and the other few who runs MotoGP, should simply take this win by Vinhales on that Yamaha as the textbook race for future reference.

It was a great race by Vinales, but one swallow does not make a porn star .... or is that a summer?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: big oil on March 29, 2021, 11:20:03 pm
I believe that Dorna, Cumbradius and the other few who runs MotoGP, should simply take this win by Vinhales on that Yamaha as the textbook race for future reference.

It was a great race by Vinales, but one swallow does not make a porn star .... or is that a summer?

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 30, 2021, 07:27:08 am
I believe that Dorna, Cumbradius and the other few who runs MotoGP, should simply take this win by Vinhales on that Yamaha as the textbook race for future reference.

It was a great race by Vinales, but one swallow does not make a porn star .... or is that a summer?

But it did make winter for the Ducati's.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on March 30, 2021, 08:50:02 am
Incredible faultless clinical race by MV.  Always knew he can but great seeing him putting it all together. Hope he can keep some consistency.

What happened to the KTMs? Just not competitive?

Seems BB moered Oupa back to 19th :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2021, 10:03:54 am
I am wondering if Aprilia will break contract with Savadori after the much vaunted Dovi testing and set Dovi on the 2nd bike for th erest of the season.  Savadori is clearly not coming to the Aprilia party.


Incredible faultless clinical race by MV.  Always knew he can but great seeing him putting it all together. Hope he can keep some consistency.

What happened to the KTMs? Just not competitive?

Seems BB moered Oupa back to 19th :imaposer:

KTMs not competitive on this track for sure.  Let us hope they get their stuff sorted soonest. 

BB33 had better start thinking about his riding style.  They are getting ready to slap ride through penalties regularly and he may find himself on the wrong side of that stick.  Oupa still finished 12th ahead of all KTMs.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 30, 2021, 10:09:38 am
I am wondering if Aprilia will break contract with Savadori after the much vaunted Dovi testing and set Dovi on the 2nd bike for th erest of the season.  Savadori is clearly not coming to the Aprilia party.


Incredible faultless clinical race by MV.  Always knew he can but great seeing him putting it all together. Hope he can keep some consistency.

What happened to the KTMs? Just not competitive?

Seems BB moered Oupa back to 19th :imaposer:

KTMs not competitive on this track for sure.  Let us hope they get their stuff sorted soonest. 

BB33 had better start thinking about his riding style.  They are getting ready to slap ride through penalties regularly and he may find himself on the wrong side of that stick.  Oupa still finished 12th ahead of all KTMs.

Lets hope so  !  By the time they eventualy sorted the Moto 2 bike his season was down the drain!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2021, 10:20:19 am
I am wondering if Aprilia will break contract with Savadori after the much vaunted Dovi testing and set Dovi on the 2nd bike for th erest of the season.  Savadori is clearly not coming to the Aprilia party.


Incredible faultless clinical race by MV.  Always knew he can but great seeing him putting it all together. Hope he can keep some consistency.

What happened to the KTMs? Just not competitive?

Seems BB moered Oupa back to 19th :imaposer:

KTMs not competitive on this track for sure.  Let us hope they get their stuff sorted soonest. 

BB33 had better start thinking about his riding style.  They are getting ready to slap ride through penalties regularly and he may find himself on the wrong side of that stick.  Oupa still finished 12th ahead of all KTMs.

Lets hope so  !  By the time they eventualy sorted the Moto 2 bike his season was down the drain!

For sure and in the following year they withdrew from Moto2 with Aki Ajo Racing now doing extremely good in Moto2 with Kalex bikes in KTM livery.  So, they left Moto2, to put more resources in effort into MotoGP.  I believe they are doing exactly that.  Hopefully they will sort the bikes quickly.  My understanding is that the KTMs are struggling because this is a fast, flowing track.  The problem is, there is one more race here and then there are at least two more fast and flowing tracks coming.  I love BB33 at KTM.  It is a nice, long story, lekker to tell, but if KTM doesn't sort their bikes, he should move on.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: facmp on March 30, 2021, 11:40:36 am
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 30, 2021, 01:50:55 pm
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace

Excellent point to do with the tyres, and that KTM and Honda are being compromised by the poor choice at Qatar.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 30, 2021, 01:54:40 pm
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace

Blaming tyre s is not going to help!!!! It is the same tyre s for everyone!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Avontier on March 30, 2021, 02:26:54 pm
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace

Blaming tyre s is not going to help!!!! It is the same tyre s for everyone!!!!

It's not that simple. When fractions of seconds make all the difference, you should at least be offered alternatives with something as crucial as tyres. His complaint about the medium not being used by anyone is a valid one if true.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BB King on March 30, 2021, 02:43:35 pm
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace

Blaming tyre s is not going to help!!!! It is the same tyre s for everyone!!!!

It's not that simple. When fractions of seconds make all the difference, you should at least be offered alternatives with something as crucial as tyres. His complaint about the medium not being used by anyone is a valid one if true.

And, how do you (Michelin) debut a tyre at something as important as season opener.
At their level, you can certainly ride around "minor" tyre issue/wear. i.e. issues are bigger than even they expected...

Just my 2cents!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2021, 07:57:00 pm
Olivera was not happy with Michellin front tyres iether

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/pols-honda-motogp-debut-just-one-tenth-off-the-pace

Blaming tyre s is not going to help!!!! It is the same tyre s for everyone!!!!

But, it is not the same bike with the same rider with the same riding style and same weight for everyone.  It is absolute bollocks that Michelin is only contracted to bring 3 compounds of their choice to a race.  They should add at least two others.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 31, 2021, 07:19:30 am
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 31, 2021, 08:37:33 am
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 31, 2021, 08:56:39 am
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

I think you are missing the point - Michelin brought essentially a new front tyre to the track with no other choice ... now FFS if you had been "fixing your shit" all of last year using a different tyre as your benchmark then it is simply a fuckup. Just because it works better with some other brands does not make it right. We all know (or should do) that some bikes work better on certain tracks than others (rather than being a case of just "KTM's bike doesn't work") but to throw extra curve balls at teams in their first race of the season is bollocks.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 31, 2021, 11:45:15 am
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

I think you are missing the point - Michelin brought essentially a new front tyre to the track with no other choice ... now FFS if you had been "fixing your shit" all of last year using a different tyre as your benchmark then it is simply a fuckup. Just because it works better with some other brands does not make it right. We all know (or should do) that some bikes work better on certain tracks than others (rather than being a case of just "KTM's bike doesn't work") but to throw extra curve balls at teams in their first race of the season is bollocks.

My point is !!!! The curve ball is the same for everyone!!! The single tyre supllier is a cost saving level the playing field thing!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 31, 2021, 12:09:50 pm
Ja nee, the teams should have been given more time to develop a fuel map for the new tire ....
While the racers are farting around in their motorhomes.... :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 31, 2021, 12:44:28 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

I think you are missing the point - Michelin brought essentially a new front tyre to the track with no other choice ... now FFS if you had been "fixing your shit" all of last year using a different tyre as your benchmark then it is simply a fuckup. Just because it works better with some other brands does not make it right. We all know (or should do) that some bikes work better on certain tracks than others (rather than being a case of just "KTM's bike doesn't work") but to throw extra curve balls at teams in their first race of the season is bollocks.

My point is !!!! The curve ball is the same for everyone!!! The single tyre supllier is a cost saving level the playing field thing!!

But the curveball isn't the same for everyone. If by luck the tyre suits your chassis then it isn't a curveball is it...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2021, 02:36:21 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

When was that?  Before life TV coverage, internet interviews, etc?  Do you honestly believe they do not complain at the IOM TT races?  They do.  We just don't know because we only get a bloody 30 minute highlights package every year.


I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

You are now missing quite a few points.

Yes, they must sort the bike, crap tyre or not.  I am sure they know this. 

However, as already indicated, the tyre impact is not the same for everyone.  Not at all.  These are not old farts, farting about in the D-Class on a WD track day.  BB33 is well known for is hard and late braking while cornering.  Imagine the impact on him by a tyre that doesn't work in those circumstances, compared to a much smoother rider like Joan Mir.

Then you (and Altie it seems) also seem to think that these guys, when asked by interviewers from all over the world how their race went, must only sing praises.  None are allowed to state what they considered a problem.  Strange thinking.  Personally I want to hear from the horses mouth what went well and what did not.  I would hate to get fed only one side of the story.

Like Altie you yearn for a day gone by when there were apparently no complaints.  That was also the day when we had no news in SA and therefore no complaints.  I prefer this modern era where we have life racing and pretty much life coverage of media debriefs, interviews with riders, etc. and if a rider states he struggled with a tyre, or he loved a tyre, I like to know about that and try to understand the issue.





Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 31, 2021, 03:59:28 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

When was that?  Before life TV coverage, internet interviews, etc?  Do you honestly believe they do not complain at the IOM TT races?  They do.  We just don't know because we only get a bloody 30 minute highlights package every year.


I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

You are now missing quite a few points.

Yes, they must sort the bike, crap tyre or not.  I am sure they know this. 

However, as already indicated, the tyre impact is not the same for everyone.  Not at all.  These are not old farts, farting about in the D-Class on a WD track day.  BB33 is well known for is hard and late braking while cornering.  Imagine the impact on him by a tyre that doesn't work in those circumstances, compared to a much smoother rider like Joan Mir.

Then you (and Altie it seems) also seem to think that these guys, when asked by interviewers from all over the world how their race went, must only sing praises.  None are allowed to state what they considered a problem.  Strange thinking.  Personally I want to hear from the horses mouth what went well and what did not.  I would hate to get fed only one side of the story.

Like Altie you yearn for a day gone by when there were apparently no complaints.  That was also the day when we had no news in SA and therefore no complaints.  I prefer this modern era where we have life racing and pretty much life coverage of media debriefs, interviews with riders, etc. and if a rider states he struggled with a tyre, or he loved a tyre, I like to know about that and try to understand the issue.

My point is !!! Everybody had the same crapy tyre!  Imagine how far ahead they would have been if they had perfect tyres!

Other teams would have had gains from a better tyre as well ! Towards the end most people were stugling with tyre problems!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2021, 04:01:51 pm
My point is !!! Everybody had the same crapy tyre!  Imagine how far ahead they would have been if they had perfect tyres!

Other teams would have had gains from a better tyre as well ! Towards the end most people were stugling with tyre problems!

Yes, you have clearly stated your point a few times now.  I fully understand your point, but I completely disagree with it. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on March 31, 2021, 04:04:49 pm
My point is !!! Everybody had the same crapy tyre!  Imagine how far ahead they would have been if they had perfect tyres!

Other teams would have had gains from a better tyre as well ! Towards the end most people were stugling with tyre problems!

Yes, you have clearly stated your point a few times now.  I fully understand your point, but I completely disagree with it.

Sorry for making the point then ! You have the right to disagree! As do I !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on March 31, 2021, 04:09:08 pm
We don't have to worry, we will be referring back to this topic a lot during this season it seems.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on March 31, 2021, 04:25:59 pm
My point is !!! Everybody had the same crapy tyre!  Imagine how far ahead they would have been if they had perfect tyres!

Other teams would have had gains from a better tyre as well ! Towards the end most people were stugling with tyre problems!

Yes, you have clearly stated your point a few times now.  I fully understand your point, but I completely disagree with it.

Sorry for making the point then ! You have the right to disagree! As do I !

No need to apologize for making the point.  You have every right to do so.  I would just suggest you lay of the poor exclamation mark key.  It really is taking a hammering.   :ricky:


We don't have to worry, we will be referring back to this topic a lot during this season it seems.

For sure.  Just another 18 to 19 times or so.   :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on March 31, 2021, 04:43:30 pm
Incredible faultless clinical race by MV.  Always knew he can but great seeing him putting it all together. Hope he can keep some consistency.

What happened to the KTMs? Just not competitive?

Seems BB moered Oupa back to 19th :imaposer:

still beat the ou with the sore shoulder
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 31, 2021, 05:54:19 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

I think you are missing the point - Michelin brought essentially a new front tyre to the track with no other choice ... now FFS if you had been "fixing your shit" all of last year using a different tyre as your benchmark then it is simply a fuckup. Just because it works better with some other brands does not make it right. We all know (or should do) that some bikes work better on certain tracks than others (rather than being a case of just "KTM's bike doesn't work") but to throw extra curve balls at teams in their first race of the season is bollocks.

My point is !!!! The curve ball is the same for everyone!!! The single tyre supllier is a cost saving level the playing field thing!!

We are not talking about a problem with a single supplier - we are talking about a single tyre!  You cannot offer a choice and have teams do R&D accordingly and then suddenly offer no choice only one tyre! BTW MotoGP is never a level playing field !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 31, 2021, 06:50:15 pm
Frankly, these teams must simply adapt to the "one type of tyre rule", like they adapted to the "one type of ECU rule".

I mean, the poor 600 class, they all have to ride the same engines.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on March 31, 2021, 07:06:07 pm
Talking about tyres, I can't see the point of having 1 manufacturer ...................... we should be arguing about which tyre is best, shouldn't we?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on March 31, 2021, 07:12:15 pm
Frankly, these teams must simply adapt to the "one type of tyre rule", like they adapted to the "one type of ECU rule".

I mean, the poor 600 class, they all have to ride the same engines.

They all have adapted and designed and developed bikes around them (except for Honda that have tyres designed around them  ;)) but are now being dry humped by Michelin who cannot supply a usable medium front forcing all teams to use the softs at Qatar. Piss poor showing from them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: adamktm on March 31, 2021, 07:49:18 pm
Frankly, these teams must simply adapt to the "one type of tyre rule", like they adapted to the "one type of ECU rule".

I mean, the poor 600 class, they all have to ride the same engines.

765cc :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 31, 2021, 08:07:13 pm
Frankly, these teams must simply adapt to the "one type of tyre rule", like they adapted to the "one type of ECU rule".

I mean, the poor 600 class, they all have to ride the same engines.

765cc :pot:

Ja, ja :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 31, 2021, 08:30:48 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

When was that?  Before life TV coverage, internet interviews, etc?  Do you honestly believe they do not complain at the IOM TT races?  They do.  We just don't know because we only get a bloody 30 minute highlights package every year.


I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

You are now missing quite a few points.

Yes, they must sort the bike, crap tyre or not.  I am sure they know this. 

However, as already indicated, the tyre impact is not the same for everyone.  Not at all.  These are not old farts, farting about in the D-Class on a WD track day.  BB33 is well known for is hard and late braking while cornering.  Imagine the impact on him by a tyre that doesn't work in those circumstances, compared to a much smoother rider like Joan Mir.

Then you (and Altie it seems) also seem to think that these guys, when asked by interviewers from all over the world how their race went, must only sing praises.  None are allowed to state what they considered a problem.  Strange thinking.  Personally I want to hear from the horses mouth what went well and what did not.  I would hate to get fed only one side of the story.

Like Altie you yearn for a day gone by when there were apparently no complaints.  That was also the day when we had no news in SA and therefore no complaints.  I prefer this modern era where we have life racing and pretty much life coverage of media debriefs, interviews with riders, etc. and if a rider states he struggled with a tyre, or he loved a tyre, I like to know about that and try to understand the issue.

Wat wil jy verstaan my bra? Dat die racers is `n victim is van moeder natuur, die bande vervaardiger, die wind van voor, `n fuel mapping wat jou `n straight line edge gee, maar dit suip te veel petrol, dalk `n conspiracy theory erens?
Ek verstaan as daar swaar gereen word by die IOM TT wil die ouens ry, maar race direction stop dit weens `n vraagteken oor veiligheid.
Dit werk andersom by Motogp.
Ek wil inskakel op Motogp op racing te kyk.
As ek belangestel in drama, kan ek mos elke dag my Betamax video kyk oor Oop parra se onderhoud met Herrie en sy strandloper Meggen...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 01, 2021, 05:18:36 pm
I recall a time when everyone did not bitch about everything, and put their heads down and work with what they had.
It is still like that in some other formats, like the IOM TT races etc.

When was that?  Before life TV coverage, internet interviews, etc?  Do you honestly believe they do not complain at the IOM TT races?  They do.  We just don't know because we only get a bloody 30 minute highlights package every year.


I whole agree 100%  And stress again everybody had the same tyre  KTM s bike doesn t work  !  Others do !  Shut up and fix your shit !  or come last your choice!

You are now missing quite a few points.

Yes, they must sort the bike, crap tyre or not.  I am sure they know this. 

However, as already indicated, the tyre impact is not the same for everyone.  Not at all.  These are not old farts, farting about in the D-Class on a WD track day.  BB33 is well known for is hard and late braking while cornering.  Imagine the impact on him by a tyre that doesn't work in those circumstances, compared to a much smoother rider like Joan Mir.

Then you (and Altie it seems) also seem to think that these guys, when asked by interviewers from all over the world how their race went, must only sing praises.  None are allowed to state what they considered a problem.  Strange thinking.  Personally I want to hear from the horses mouth what went well and what did not.  I would hate to get fed only one side of the story.

Like Altie you yearn for a day gone by when there were apparently no complaints.  That was also the day when we had no news in SA and therefore no complaints.  I prefer this modern era where we have life racing and pretty much life coverage of media debriefs, interviews with riders, etc. and if a rider states he struggled with a tyre, or he loved a tyre, I like to know about that and try to understand the issue.

Wat wil jy verstaan my bra? Dat die racers is `n victim is van moeder natuur, die bande vervaardiger, die wind van voor, `n fuel mapping wat jou `n straight line edge gee, maar dit suip te veel petrol, dalk `n conspiracy theory erens?
Ek verstaan as daar swaar gereen word by die IOM TT wil die ouens ry, maar race direction stop dit weens `n vraagteken oor veiligheid.
Dit werk andersom by Motogp.
Ek wil inskakel op Motogp op racing te kyk.
As ek belangestel in drama, kan ek mos elke dag my Betamax video kyk oor Oop parra se onderhoud met Herrie en sy strandloper Meggen...

Het jy dan boobs dat jy 'n bra nodig het?  Glo my vry, jy wil my nie as jou bra hÍ nie.  Ek is veels te swaar.   :lol8:

Ek verstaan jy verkies om Megan en Harry te kyk vir drama en niks belangstel in motorfiets wedrenne behalwe die ren self nie.  Dis okay.  Daar is baie wat ook so is.  Ek daarenteen verkies ook die drama en, inligting, nuus en kennis wat om die wedrenne draai.  Dit is as gevolg van die voorliefde van my dat ek weet dat die IoM TT jaers ook 'n veiligheidskommissie het, nes MotoGP en ook onder sekere omstandighede nie sal jaag nie.

Hoekom dink jy is daar so klompie van ons hier op die forum?  Ons sit nie hier en tik terwyl die wedren aan die gang is nie.  A nee a!  Dan kyk ons die wedren.  Voor en na die wedren gesels ons hier, dus wat jy noem die drama.  Van ons geniet dit.   

As jy nie in die drama op Crash.net, Motogp.com en sulke sites, of selfs soos hier op die forum belangstel nie, beveel ek aan www.oprah.com of dalk eerder https://www.facebook.com/7deLaanAmptelik/   >:D

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: GavinB on April 01, 2021, 08:50:34 pm
In the interest of blowing some life into this thread herewith my predictions for the season:

10. Joan Mir smiles like a white shark who just saw a world class model swimming naked because he was fastest on track for two sectors of one race.  He is still leading the championship with one race to go.
9. Petrucci retires because the KTM scares him.  He becomes a food critic for an Italian newspaper.
8. Maverick Vinales start on pole and finish 19th, 19 times.
7. Cal Crutchlow, Andrea Dovizioso, Danny Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo are banned from race tracks as they get drunk during wild parties and then line up on the grip screaming BRAAAAAAPPP BRAAAAAAAAAAAAPPP!
6. MM93 returns, but is a shadow of his old self.  Halfway through the season he retires from racing and becomes a visor cleaner guy for the Repsol Honda team.
5. Pol Espargaro crashes Repsol Hondas faster than Honda can build them.  Last 10 races they use old Honda SS50s that they dress up in Repsol fairings.  He still makes two podiums.
4. Fabio Quartararo sets a new record for the rider who crashed out of first place the most frequently in a single season.  Somehow he manages to crash every single time before the Yamaha throws valves.
3. Franco Morbidelli rides a perfect season and finishes 3rd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor VR46.
2. BB33 rides a picture perfect season with many podiums and finishes 2nd in the championship.  He becomes very irritating when he constantly thanks his mentor TheBear.
1. VR46 wins his 10th world championship.  At the after party it leaks out that Petronas actually used BMWs leased in a secret last minute deal .

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

#2 is so funny!!  :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:  ( not the BB bit, the mentor chirp)

I love it!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 02, 2021, 12:37:37 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: adamktm on April 02, 2021, 01:13:49 pm
They all stuff it up the inside every now and then and that Rossi included!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2021, 01:16:30 pm
They all stuff it up the inside every now and then and that Rossi included!

Very true, but BB33 needs to take a bit more care.  The current climate in MotoGP is to dish out long lap penalties like they are Smarties at a kiddies birthday party.  They just spend millions to monitor track limits, for instance.  Malgeite, in my opinion, but there it is.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2021, 01:51:32 pm
Qatar starts all over again.  Me, I am not complaining.   :thumleft:

DB40, 13th in FP1.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 02, 2021, 02:14:56 pm
With track temps over 50 degrees the FP1 times are going to mean pretty little - mostly just seat time.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 02, 2021, 03:36:39 pm
Frankie's Yammie up in smoke. Must have forgot to turf the old valves.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 02, 2021, 04:01:31 pm
Frankie's Yammie up in smoke. Must have forgot to turf the old valves.

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They went back to 2-stroke.   :lol8:

FP1 done and dusted and those infernal KTMs are still in the bottom half of the grid.  This excludes Petrux, who seemed to go pretty well throughout.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 02, 2021, 05:41:45 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: @TheBear

Yes, the Yammie's are back on two-stroke, but the stingy bastards is using BP ZIP at 20 to one.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 02, 2021, 08:23:25 pm
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 02, 2021, 09:41:29 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/

Says the guy who finished MotoGP for Stoner and Gibernau.......and possibly The Roman gladiator too. Through his own version of "disrespect" :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 08:58:03 am
Ja hypocrite much.  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on April 03, 2021, 11:23:40 am
Materially, what is the difference between the factory and Petronas GP bikes?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 01:03:56 pm
Looks like a bit of a sandstorm brewing in Doha.  :o.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 01:26:00 pm
Ja hypocrite much.  :o

He grew older and wiser.  Would you, me, 2SD or anyone else at 60 tell our grand kids it is okay to do what we did at that age?  Did you at age 40 tell your kids it was okay to do what you did at 15?   :lol8:

I can see it now!  TheBear at 40 to MiniMeBear: "Nee, maar dis reg!  Gooi maar die bure se huis met eiers.  Ek het dit ook gedoen en ek wil nie 'n hipokraat wees nie!"  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 01:27:30 pm
FP2 Moto3:  DB40 fastest!  Cool.

FP2 MotoGP:  BB33 struggling, as are all other KTMs.  Petrux seems to be getting to grips with the bike though.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 01:41:52 pm
FP3 Moto3:  DB40 7th fastest, still fastest on Combined times.  Free pass to Q2.   :thumleft:

So far, 7 riders will start from pit lane tomorrow for "irresponsible" riding during FP2.  Read, " going slowly waiting for a slipstream in a dangerous part of the track".  Race Direction have warned them repeatedly from last year that penalties will become more severe.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 01:52:31 pm
Ja hypocrite much.  :o

He grew older and wiser.  Would you, me, 2SD or anyone else at 60 tell our grand kids it is okay to do what we did at that age?  Did you at age 40 tell your kids it was okay to do what you did at 15?   :lol8:

I can see it now!  TheBear at 40 to MiniMeBear: "Nee, maar dis reg!  Gooi maar die bure se huis met eiers.  Ek het dit ook gedoen en ek wil nie 'n hipokraat wees nie!"  :lol8:

Getting older and wiser should mitigate against being a hypocrite not feed it. It should give one the perspective to be self reflexive and allow one to realise that some younger than you are behaving normally for their age. To pull the respect card is just bollocks - and yes as a toppie over 60 it does not work with my kids either!  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 01:54:54 pm
Materially, what is the difference between the factory and Petronas GP bikes?

One Petronas bike is identical to the factory bikes.  It is easily recognizable by the large yellow number 46 on the front.

The other Petronas bike was a factory bike last year.  It means, this year and only this year, it is pretty similar as no engine development was allowed during 2020 due to Covid.  It would therefore have the same engine.  It would not have any of the go fast parts developed for the 2021 factory bike, such as an upgraded holeshot device, new fairing, etc.  It may well get it during the year if extras become available, but it pretty much starts the season as a 2020 factory bike.

It is not always easy to say exactly though because the deal between Yamaha and Petronas would include in great detail, what Petronas get for their money, so it could be a hybrid between 2020 and 2021 factory bike.

Another thing sometimes forgotten is, does the deal include, or exclude full factory support.  This could make a huge difference.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 01:54:55 pm
FP3 Moto3:  DB40 7th fastest.  Free pass to Q2.   :thumleft:

So far, 7 riders will start from pit lane tomorrow for "irresponsible" riding during FP2.  Read, " going slowly waiting for a slipstream in a dangerous part of the track".  Race Direction have warned them repeatedly from last year that penalties will become more severe.

I think they had to send the message as this playing silly buggers at the 11 hour has become the norm and is BS.  :3some:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 01:55:53 pm
FP3 Moto3:  DB40 7th fastest.  Free pass to Q2.   :thumleft:

So far, 7 riders will start from pit lane tomorrow for "irresponsible" riding during FP2.  Read, " going slowly waiting for a slipstream in a dangerous part of the track".  Race Direction have warned them repeatedly from last year that penalties will become more severe.

I think they had to send the message as this playing silly buggers at the 11 hour has become the norm and is BS.  :3some:

Yep.  It was time to crack the whip a tad harder than previously.  If you watched FP2, the last 2 minutes or so was utter chaos.

Sjoe!  Conditions for MotoGP FP3 is terrible.  Serious wind with sand blown on track.  Only 15 bikes participating at the moment.  FQ's best lap today is 3 seconds slower than yesterday.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 02:32:58 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/

Says the guy who finished MotoGP for Stoner and Gibernau.......and possibly The Roman gladiator too. Through his own version of "disrespect" :imaposer:

When BB33 was asked about this incident, Brad said that he did not touch VR and perhaps VR is becoming a bit sensitive!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 03:06:18 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/

Says the guy who finished MotoGP for Stoner and Gibernau.......and possibly The Roman gladiator too. Through his own version of "disrespect" :imaposer:

When BB33 was asked about this incident, Brad said that he did not touch VR and perhaps VR is becoming a bit sensitive!   :lol8:

And well said indeed (even if it does sound like a chirp to a teacher after you have moered someone behind the bicycle shed at school break)  :thumleft: >:D.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 03:09:02 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/

Says the guy who finished MotoGP for Stoner and Gibernau.......and possibly The Roman gladiator too. Through his own version of "disrespect" :imaposer:

When BB33 was asked about this incident, Brad said that he did not touch VR and perhaps VR is becoming a bit sensitive!   :lol8:

And well said indeed (even if it does sound like a chirp to a teacher after you have moered someone behind the bicycle shed at school break)  :thumleft: >:D.

Janee!  It does sound like that, but then, the commentators stressed that BB is always brutally honest.  It is why they like interviewing him and that if he said he didn't touch VR, he probably did not. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 03:10:59 pm
MotoGP FP3 was a slow story due to terrible conditions.  In fact, four of the Ducatis didn't bother going out to participate. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 03:24:19 pm
Ag nee foei tog man.... ;)

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/rossi-questions-respect-of-some-motogp-riders/6028746/

Says the guy who finished MotoGP for Stoner and Gibernau.......and possibly The Roman gladiator too. Through his own version of "disrespect" :imaposer:

When BB33 was asked about this incident, Brad said that he did not touch VR and perhaps VR is becoming a bit sensitive!   :lol8:

And well said indeed (even if it does sound like a chirp to a teacher after you have moered someone behind the bicycle shed at school break)  :thumleft: >:D.

Janee!  It does sound like that, but then, the commentators stressed that BB is always brutally honest.  It is why they like interviewing him and that if he said he didn't touch VR, he probably did not.

True story.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 03, 2021, 03:35:35 pm
I suggest VR swop bikes with BB.  Then BB would be in the top 3, VR in the bottom 3 and BB won't be able to shunt VR off the track.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 03, 2021, 04:22:00 pm
I suggest VR swop bikes with BB.  Then BB would be in the top 3, VR in the bottom 3 and BB won't be able to shunt VR off the track.   :snorting:

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Biesie on April 04, 2021, 07:41:49 am
Going to be a great race today.... hope Jorsie Martin can hold out to the finish.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 04, 2021, 08:59:07 am
What oupa is saying is that it is disrespectful nowadays to kick people off their bikes when they try to pass you. He demands to be respectfully passed... :imaposer:  indicators and all
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 04, 2021, 09:32:58 am
It's not Brad's fault, it's that ill-handling KTM arriving sideways into turns.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 04, 2021, 09:38:01 am
He said sorry I turned one way but the bike went another... Oupa should next time just push me in the right direction with his leg..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 04, 2021, 09:42:11 am
He said sorry I turned one way but the bike went another... Oupa should next time just push me in the right direction with his leg..

 :imaposer: KTM has too much experience in offroad bikes, that KTM is always looking for dirt.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 04, 2021, 10:13:40 am
He said sorry I turned one way but the bike went another... Oupa should next time just push me in the right direction with his leg..

 :imaposer: KTM has too much experience in offroad bikes, that KTM is always looking for dirt.

Its looking for the garage...needs a spanner and replacement fuel pump..

Goodness gracious me..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: leading edge on April 04, 2021, 11:25:35 am
The European riders don't know that the Southern Hemisphere riders suffer from the CORIOLIS effect.. 8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2021, 11:26:08 am
What oupa is saying is that it is disrespectful nowadays to kick people off their bikes when they try to pass you. He demands to be respectfully passed... :imaposer:  indicators and all

Oupa would never say that as Oupa passed Grade 9 science and full well know it is impossible to kick someone of a bike while you are on a bike yourself.  We know he wouldn't say this because we know VR can talk k@k, but he is not stupid.

What he did however say was that it is disrespectful for an inhabitant of a shithole, who grew up on dried, raw meat to pass him on a bike that leaks oil from its suspension in the garage.  Also, that orange is a kickback to his racist past and should be changed forthwith.  He then whispered: "Kilroy is a twatwaffle", but I can't be sure.  He may have said " drol".  Sound wasn't that great.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 04, 2021, 11:37:04 am
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2021, 11:52:51 am
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 04, 2021, 11:58:40 am
Incredible how the conditions from one week to another can impact on these riders and bikes.  I guess it goes to show how their performance is balanced on a needle point.  Just a bible page thickness to either side and they are faster, or slower.  Check out these figures:

Pole time:  Qatar 1 = 1.52.77 / Qatar 2 = 1.53.10
Top speed during Q2: Qatar 1 = 357.6 / Qatar 2 = 349.5
Slowest (12th) during Q2: Qatar 1 = 1.53.93 / Qatar 2 = 1.55.09
Slowest top speed during Q2: Qatar 1 = 345.0 / Qatar 2 = 332.3

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 04, 2021, 12:17:16 pm
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.

Exactly - imho a pretty dof (ok uninformed) comment that he must shape up. Anyone who follows MotoGP closely will know why he is struggling and further that MO has a years more experience in MotoGP. Wait till he gets to Europe and away from night racing and the Qatar track before dissing him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 04, 2021, 01:44:21 pm
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.



Exactly - imho a pretty dof (ok uninformed) comment that he must shape up. Anyone who follows MotoGP closely will know why he is struggling and further that MO has a years more experience in MotoGP. Wait till he gets to Europe and away from night racing and the Qatar track before dissing him.

Your level of support is admireable However calling me dof because I a have a diffrent opinion is not and a reflection of personality!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 04, 2021, 02:04:09 pm
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.



Exactly - imho a pretty dof (ok uninformed) comment that he must shape up. Anyone who follows MotoGP closely will know why he is struggling and further that MO has a years more experience in MotoGP. Wait till he gets to Europe and away from night racing and the Qatar track before dissing him.

Your level of support is admireable However calling me dof because I a have a diffrent opinion is not and a reflection of personality!

Sorry mate no offense meant. Not sure what personality has to do with it but those that know me know I shoot from the hip and am not in the personality polishing business.  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 04, 2021, 02:10:17 pm
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.

Exactly - imho a pretty dof (ok uninformed) comment that he must shape up. Anyone who follows MotoGP closely will know why he is struggling and further that MO has a years more experience in MotoGP. Wait till he gets to Europe and away from night racing and the Qatar track before dissing him.

One must consider that guys like MM and VR had no experience in MotoGP when they started winning in their first season.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 04, 2021, 03:44:54 pm
Been rooting for Brad since Moto 3 !  But  maybe the bike doesn t work ! But that aside! He is beaten by his teammate in every session! He needs to shape up!

BB will struggle here more than MO because the problem that the KTMs are experiencing is exactly what BBs riding style is.  The lack of front wheel grip hampers BB more than most because his riding style is dependent on proper front wheel grip.  One can only hope this gets sorted by KTM soonest and most certainly by the time they reach Europe.



Exactly - imho a pretty dof (ok uninformed) comment that he must shape up. Anyone who follows MotoGP closely will know why he is struggling and further that MO has a years more experience in MotoGP. Wait till he gets to Europe and away from night racing and the Qatar track before dissing him.

Your level of support is admireable However calling me dof because I a have a diffrent opinion is not and a reflection of personality!

Sorry mate no offense meant. Not sure what personality has to do with it but those that know me know I shoot from the hip and am not in the personality polishing business.  ;)

I should not ! But als not in the reading bussiness
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Serf on April 04, 2021, 07:46:36 pm
Well done BB33

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on April 04, 2021, 07:49:29 pm
Wow what a race! BB33 did pretty well to beat his teammate again, and end up 8th. What a ride! And JM, geez that rookie is doing things for himself, hey! Thoroughly entertaining.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 04, 2021, 08:00:36 pm
One thing is for sure .......................... if Rossi was riding that bike ....................... it would have lost!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 04, 2021, 08:19:31 pm
Absolute stonking racing in all classes today - some of the best in a long time.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 04, 2021, 08:23:00 pm
Well done BB33

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And lets not forget Darryn p2 in moto 3.
2nd podium in a row.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Biesie on April 04, 2021, 08:29:40 pm
Absolute stonking racing in all classes today - some of the best in a long time.  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Must agree was great to watch
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 04, 2021, 09:02:54 pm
MotoGP commentator; "It must be so incredibly frustrating for the Yamaha to be passed at will down the straight"

2StrokeDan; "It must be so incredibly frustrating for the Ducatis to be passed at will through the corners"

 :biggrin:

Best racing in a long time, how's that position changing in the 250's? :eek7: :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 04, 2021, 09:25:51 pm
Little slap on the wrist. Clearly the take home today was that a pitlane start is barely a penalty.  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 04, 2021, 09:49:44 pm
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 05, 2021, 09:18:17 am
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Certainly Fabio demonstrated a very well planned and executed mature race strategy. Brilliant race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 05, 2021, 11:12:01 am
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Certainly Fabio demonstrated a very well planned and executed mature race strategy. Brilliant race.

Those Ducatis are so much more powerful, it reminded me of my friend racing his RD350 against 1100 Katana, CB900, etc. on Killarney. They would steam past down the straight, but he would repass around the rest of the track.

I am still convinced those Ducatis' power is their achilles heel.

Imagine the sort of extra heat you put into that rear pushing so much more top speed down the straight, then the front tyre has to handle braking heat from that higher top speed.

But as Ducati seem unable to match the Yamahas' handling, they need to pursue the engine power course.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 05, 2021, 12:23:22 pm
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Certainly Fabio demonstrated a very well planned and executed mature race strategy. Brilliant race.

Those Ducatis are so much more powerful, it reminded me of my friend racing his RD350 against 1100 Katana, CB900, etc. on Killarney. They would steam past down the straight, but he would repass around the rest of the track.

I am still convinced those Ducatis' power is their achilles heel.

Imagine the sort of extra heat you put into that rear pushing so much more top speed down the straight, then the front tyre has to handle braking heat from that higher top speed.

But as Ducati seem unable to match the Yamahas' handling, they need to pursue the engine power course.


Looks like Yamaha and Suzuki both have a package that will prove difficult to beat in the European circuits,  lets see.
The Suzukis never look dangerously quick, but they creep up through the ranks, and somehow they preserve tires just about best in the field.
MM will come back to a class where the boys have honed some riding skills in leaps,  he will have to bring his A game.
However bad his fall was, and this k@k virus thing for the last last year, it has shaken up the class for sure.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2021, 01:43:44 pm
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Moto 3:  Top 11 finished 2s apart.
Moto 2:  Top 11 finished 18s apart.
MotoGP:  Top 11 5,5s apart.

This was one of the closest MotoGP races in some time, for sure. A pleasure to watch.

Looks like Yamaha and Suzuki both have a package that will prove difficult to beat in the European circuits,  lets see.
The Suzukis never look dangerously quick, but they creep up through the ranks, and somehow they preserve tires just about best in the field.
MM will come back to a class where the boys have honed some riding skills in leaps,  he will have to bring his A game.
However bad his fall was, and this k@k virus thing for the last last year, it has shaken up the class for sure.

I am not convinced about Yamaha yet.  They seem a bit all over the place.  They are still suffering from rear tyre issues and these races were at night.  We will have to wait and see how they go when they hit the European tracks where racing will be during the day with warmer tarmac.

That said, I hope like hell you are right and I am totally wrong.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2021, 01:48:26 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 05, 2021, 02:16:15 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

Ha Ha  I am actualy a Big Fan !  Very glad about his performance this weekend! However I still think, although this a personal opinion ! He can do beter with regards to the Bike!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2021, 02:57:14 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

Ha Ha  I am actualy a Big Fan !  Very glad about his performance this weekend! However I still think, although this a personal opinion ! He can do beter with regards to the Bike!

We are all fans, so we will tend to get a tad heated.  He just gave KTM their first ever top 10 finish on the Loseil track and they have been there a few times, so can he do better?  He could, but he is already doing better than most on a KTM.  This doesn't mean he shouldn't improve though.

Just for interest sake, KTM history at Loseil:

2018:  18th and DNF
2019:  12th and 17th
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil
2021 (Race 1):  13th, 14th, 17th and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  8th, 15th, 19th and DNF

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 05, 2021, 03:27:46 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

Ha Ha  I am actualy a Big Fan !  Very glad about his performance this weekend! However I still think, although this a personal opinion ! He can do beter with regards to the Bike!

We are all fans, so we will tend to get a tad heated.  He just gave KTM their first ever top 10 finish on the Loseil track and they have been there a few times, so can he do better?  He could, but he is already doing better than most on a KTM.  This doesn't mean he shouldn't improve though.

Just for interest sake, KTM history at Loseil:

2018:  18th and DNF
2019:  12th and 17th
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil
2021 (Race 1):  13th, 14th, 17th and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  8th, 15th, 19th and DNF

 :eek7: :eek7: What, are they on 790's?? :peepwall: :pot: :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2021, 03:32:59 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

Ha Ha  I am actualy a Big Fan !  Very glad about his performance this weekend! However I still think, although this a personal opinion ! He can do beter with regards to the Bike!

We are all fans, so we will tend to get a tad heated.  He just gave KTM their first ever top 10 finish on the Loseil track and they have been there a few times, so can he do better?  He could, but he is already doing better than most on a KTM.  This doesn't mean he shouldn't improve though.

Just for interest sake, KTM history at Loseil:

2018:  18th and DNF
2019:  12th and 17th
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil
2021 (Race 1):  13th, 14th, 17th and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  8th, 15th, 19th and DNF

 :eek7: :eek7: What, are they on 790's?? :peepwall: :pot: :pot:

Then, so BigOil tells us, it would have been ...

2018:  DNF and DNF
2019:  DNF and DNF
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil, but DNF anyway.
2021 (Race 1):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 05, 2021, 03:38:27 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

 >:D Here, here  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 05, 2021, 04:01:01 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board Bored

 >:D Here, here Hear, hear :imaposer:

Spelling, boys .................................... both of you ...................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 05, 2021, 04:11:37 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board Bored

 >:D Here, here Hear, hear :imaposer:

Spelling, boys .................................... both of you ...................  :biggrin:

Woolley Bugger!  You joined u ... oh, wait.  Sorry Croacker.   >:D

I have to admit, I am bloody jealous that I didn't think to replace "Board" with "Bored" myself.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 05, 2021, 05:00:43 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board Bored

 >:D Here, here Hear, hear :imaposer:

Spelling, boys .................................... both of you ...................  :biggrin:

Shit - I guess I must now do lines to get the spellin wright.  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 05, 2021, 05:05:55 pm
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board Bored

 >:D Here, here Hear, hear :imaposer:

Spelling, boys .................................... both of you ...................  :biggrin:

Shit - I guess I must now do lines to get the spellin wright.  :laughing4:

At least you know how to spell shit, or you might have come across dof... :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 05, 2021, 06:00:09 pm
Oi! ......................... no sex in this thread, please.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on April 06, 2021, 07:57:59 am
Is this a MotoGP thread or a spelling competition?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 06, 2021, 08:59:09 am
Great racing, not often you see  pack of top 10 together in one screen shot from the side.
Think it was 2 sec spread from one to ten at one time.
Couple of guys showing some calculated, matured riding, if that makes sense.

Certainly Fabio demonstrated a very well planned and executed mature race strategy. Brilliant race.

Those Ducatis are so much more powerful, it reminded me of my friend racing his RD350 against 1100 Katana, CB900, etc. on Killarney. They would steam past down the straight, but he would repass around the rest of the track.

I am still convinced those Ducatis' power is their achilles heel.

Imagine the sort of extra heat you put into that rear pushing so much more top speed down the straight, then the front tyre has to handle braking heat from that higher top speed.

But as Ducati seem unable to match the Yamahas' handling, they need to pursue the engine power course.
Well ill handling or not they still finished 2nd and 3rd
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: leading edge on April 06, 2021, 09:22:38 am
Someone must have put a spell on him :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 06, 2021, 09:49:34 am
Two GPs down the line and it really is early days yet, but I am wondering about the bikes.

Suzuki:  Similar to last year.  Not the fastest, but have some magical formula to keep their rear tyres intact for late in the race and only a fool would discount them, even if they are 10 or so positions down at the start.  They also seem consistent.  Could we again see a champion without a win from them this year?

KTM:  They seem pretty quick on the straight, but stank at this track on handling.  Then again, they have always struggled at this track.  BBs 8th is their best ever here.  I hope they get this sorted since no one will win a world championship by winning 4 races and not making points in 14.

Aprilia:  I see a huge improvement from last year.  If they are clever they will buy out the contract with Savadore (what is he doing there anyway?) and sign Dovi with immediate effect.  Not very loyal, but this is MotoGP not the Voortrekkers or Boys Scouts.

Honda:  Jawellnofine.  Middle of the pack and the kitty litter.  Nakagami who shone for Honda last year is nowhere so far.

Yamaha:  Looking good, but no consistency and still reliability issues?  Poor Morbidelli, who arguably lost out on being champion last year due to a blown engine, already opened his third engine, out of an allocation of 7 this year.  Agreed, the two removed from the bike can still be used at a later stage, if their smoking habit can be resolved, but they were withdrawn for further investigation.  After two races VR46 is equal with Morbidelli in the championship and we know VR did not rip the field apart.  As a Yamaha fan, I hope they can pull it together.  All four bikes.

Ducati:  Again one step ahead now sporting holeshot devices front and rear and some nifty tunnels in their fairing.  Mind blowing top speed, slightly crap in the corners.  Still, they look like contenders this year.  Their factory team just need to get their ducks in a straightish sort of line.    You can't, or shouldn't have to depend on your satellite team to do the winning.

After two races, who would have thought:

- Zarco leading the championship, after being down a deep dark hole with KTM only 18 months ago.
- Bastianinni on a customer Ducati is only 3 points behind Jack Miller on a factory Ducati in the championship.
- Mr Consistent from last year, Alex M must still finish a race this year.
- Rookie Jorge Martin is 7th in the championship.

Roll on Portimao!


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 06, 2021, 09:53:45 am
Someone must have put a spell on him :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Minora Award, Gold to you Sir!   :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: big oil on April 08, 2021, 03:44:40 am
Dear Mr. Bappas,

You are herewith officially informed that the WildDogs MotoGP Arrogant and All Knowing Racing Supporters and Personality Modification Society appointed you, after a unanimous decision, as the official Brad Binder Jinxer.  It is expected that henceforth, you will make some dof remark about said BB33 pulling up his socks prior to every race.  It is expected that, as with this past weekend, this will clearly enhance his position by no less than 10 places on the track.  We expect no less from you during the rest of the season.

Regards
Chairman of the Board

Ha Ha  I am actualy a Big Fan !  Very glad about his performance this weekend! However I still think, although this a personal opinion ! He can do beter with regards to the Bike!

We are all fans, so we will tend to get a tad heated.  He just gave KTM their first ever top 10 finish on the Loseil track and they have been there a few times, so can he do better?  He could, but he is already doing better than most on a KTM.  This doesn't mean he shouldn't improve though.

Just for interest sake, KTM history at Loseil:

2018:  18th and DNF
2019:  12th and 17th
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil
2021 (Race 1):  13th, 14th, 17th and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  8th, 15th, 19th and DNF

 :eek7: :eek7: What, are they on 790's?? :peepwall: :pot: :pot:

Then, so BigOil tells us, it would have been ...

2018:  DNF and DNF
2019:  DNF and DNF
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil, but DNF anyway.
2021 (Race 1):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF

A KTM 790 would have failed inspection and not make it to qualifying.  A 790 would have likely been spewing oil through the countershaft seal or other parts on the racetrack. 

All would have been DQ'd, sayonara.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 08, 2021, 07:51:50 am
 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 08, 2021, 10:42:43 am
Then, so BigOil tells us, it would have been ...

2018:  DNF and DNF
2019:  DNF and DNF
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil, but DNF anyway.
2021 (Race 1):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF
2021 (Race 2):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF

A KTM 790 would have failed inspection and not make it to qualifying.  A 790 would have likely been spewing oil through the countershaft seal or other parts on the racetrack. 

All would have been DQ'd, sayonara.

Actually, this reminds me.  It would have been:

2018:  DNS and DNS
2019:  DNS and DNS
2020:  No Moto GP at Loseil, but DNS anyway.
2021 (Race 1):  DNS, DNS, DNS and DNS
2021 (Race 2):  DNF, DNF, DNF and DNF

In fact, they would not have offloaded the crates as the riders, managers, mechanics, marketing people would all have been to busy posting their bike woes in social media for @big oil to find and repost on WDs  to do any work.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 08, 2021, 11:10:35 am
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2021, 11:33:18 am
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Who is jackass ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on April 08, 2021, 11:34:23 am
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Sounds like you can't wait for him to return.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 08, 2021, 01:26:47 pm


[/quote]

Who is jackass ?

[/quote]

An Ozzie with a wide red bike?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 08, 2021, 02:38:17 pm
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Who is jackass ?

Jack Miller.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 08, 2021, 02:39:57 pm
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Sounds like you can't wait for him to return.

Who are you talking about?  Be clear man!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 08, 2021, 04:02:31 pm



Who is jackass ?

[/quote]

An Ozzie with a wide red bike?
[/quote]


Who plays bumper cars with rivals.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 08, 2021, 11:23:02 pm
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Who is jackass ?

Jack Miller.
Ah yes dont know why but Miller looks a bit like a twatwaffle, his psyching antics during qualifying and silly moustache does not help  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 09, 2021, 08:32:28 am
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Who is jackass ?

Jack Miller.
Ah yes dont know why but Miller looks a bit like a twatwaffle, his psyching antics during qualifying and silly moustache does not help  >:D

What a judgmental comment - starting to wonder who the twat waffle is  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2021, 08:48:28 am
Portimao in Portugal coming up.  This is to replace the GP of the Americas which cannot take place.  Some questions being asked:

- How will the bikes do?  We saw exciting racing end of season last year with MO88 kicking arse all weekend long, but it was at a very different time of year in terms of weather, heat, etc.  This leads to the next question:
- Will the KTMs fly high or crash and burn?  Last year they were 1st (MO), 4th (PE), DNF (BB) and DNS (Lecuona due to Covid).
- Will we see MM93 return?
- Will Jackass be 100% after his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will AM73 and Nakagami manage to stay on their bikes?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will Lecuona recover 100% from his arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- What's with all this arm pump surgery?
- Will MM93 return?
- Will the French attack on the podium continue?
- Will MM93 return?
Who is jackass ?

Jack Miller.
Ah yes dont know why but Miller looks a bit like a twatwaffle, his psyching antics during qualifying and silly moustache does not help  >:D

What a judgmental comment - starting to wonder who the twat waffle is  ::)
Ok lets leave him at jackass then which seems to fly  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 09, 2021, 08:57:23 am
Ek weet nie of Miller `n jackass is nie.
Maar hy gedra hom partykeer soos `n drol.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: facmp on April 09, 2021, 09:06:31 am
Ek weet nie of Miller `n jackass is nie.
Maar hy gedra hom partykeer soos `n drol. AUSTRALIAN
fixed
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 09, 2021, 09:27:41 am
What a judgmental comment - starting to wonder who the twat waffle is  ::)
Ok lets leave him at jackass then which seems to fly  :thumleft:

It flies because Jackass is a tad like Divebomb for Darryn Binder.  He got the nickname and held on to it.  The Jackass logo is often on his racing leathers and somewhere on the bike and Jack Miller memorabilia is available with his Jackass logo.  I am sure he would love Twatwaffle, but putting such on his leathers would surely cause somewhat of a furor with the powers to be.  :snorting:

(https://www.ladbrokes.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/jackass-the-patch-on-jack-s-leathers.jpg)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on April 09, 2021, 10:03:09 am
I like and rate him.

But us Saffers love to hate Aussies. Probably because they're the closest to us as a type.  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 09, 2021, 02:20:00 pm
I like and rate him.

But us Saffers love to hate Aussies. Probably because they're the closest to us as a type.  :pot:

Yes, that Casey was just as much of a little drol. :pot: :pot:

Not to mention Broc Park, Mick Doohan, Chris Vermeulen, that Doyle guy and Gardner. Horrible people.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on April 09, 2021, 02:53:32 pm
I like and rate him.

But us Saffers love to hate Aussies. Probably because they're the closest to us as a type.  :pot:

Yes, that Casey was just as much of a little drol. :pot: :pot:

Not to mention Broc Park, Mick Doohan, Chris Vermeulen, that Doyle guy and Gardner. Horrible people.

Don't forget that bastard Bayliss.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 09, 2021, 03:28:50 pm
I believe they can play some other sports quite well also  ??? :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2021, 04:11:31 pm
And Troy Corser ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2021, 04:13:01 pm
Anyway Spanish racers the best
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 09, 2021, 07:47:33 pm
And Troy Corser ?

And Andrew Pitt, mentor to many and quite handy on the sticks....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 09, 2021, 10:17:05 pm
Anyway Spanish racers the best

Your Spaneeshboi pole-dancer is warming up  :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 09, 2021, 10:35:23 pm
Wow!  It seems you lot cannot stop singing the praises of the men from the land down under.  Keep going and soon you will swap your biltong and droŽwors for Vegemite sandwiches and prawns!  You are all so busy singing their praises, you didn't even notice the drunken poster who tried to say Spanish riders are the best.   :snorting:

So, next week the MotoGPs will test on Jerez and Dovi will be riding an Aprilia for the two days.  Aprilias hastily appointed Nr 2 rider, Lorenzo Savadori is not shaping much.  I wonder if Aprilia will give him a WSBK spec Aprilia and send him packing for the Italian SBK championships and appoint Dovi in his place. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2021, 11:15:44 pm
Anyway Spanish racers the best

Your Spaneeshboi pole-dancer is warming up  :laughing4:
Indeed we need someone to take charge of the field  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 09, 2021, 11:16:53 pm
Wow!  It seems you lot cannot stop singing the praises of the men from the land down under.  Keep going and soon you will swap your biltong and droŽwors for Vegemite sandwiches and prawns!  You are all so busy singing their praises, you didn't even notice the drunken poster who tried to say Spanish riders are the best.   :snorting:

So, next week the MotoGPs will test on Jerez and Dovi will be riding an Aprilia for the two days.  Aprilias hastily appointed Nr 2 rider, Lorenzo Savadori is not shaping much.  I wonder if Aprilia will give him a WSBK spec Aprilia and send him packing for the Italian SBK championships and appoint Dovi in his place.
I have a good feeling about Dovi on the Aprilia
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 09, 2021, 11:21:16 pm
Correction.  The testing at Jerez next week is one of the optional private test sessions, so it is not all of MotoGP that will be there.  It will be Aprilia, Yamaha, Honda and KTM test riders only.  It would still be interesting to see how Dovi's times compare to Kallio, Crutchlow and Bradl.


I have a good feeling about Dovi on the Aprilia

Same here.  I would like to see him back in MotoGP as I have always like him as one of the top riders, but also since Aprilia seems to have upped their game by some margin and young Lorenzi Savadori doesn't really belong in this crowd.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 10, 2021, 09:15:49 am
Well Spaneeshboi will be back next week!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 10, 2021, 09:17:56 am
Start your engine  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 10, 2021, 11:32:22 am
Great hope he wins by 5 seconds at least
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2021, 12:52:44 pm
Great hope he wins by 5 seconds at least

It is because he was always trying to win by that sort of margin that he was a long-term absentee from MotoGeePee. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 10, 2021, 12:57:00 pm
Great hope he wins by 5 seconds at least

It is because he was always trying to win by that sort of margin that he was a long-term absentee from MotoGeePee. :biggrin:

Yeah, I think he has now learned that he is fragile like other mere mortals. I doubt he will be the same 93 we were used to seeing... If he returns as before he is an absolute freak! Will be interesting to see his state of mind and physical abilities.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2021, 12:59:28 pm
Great hope he wins by 5 seconds at least

It is because he was always trying to win by that sort of margin that he was a long-term absentee from MotoGeePee. :biggrin:

Yeah, I think he has now learned that he is fragile like other mere mortals. I doubt he will be the same 93 we were used to seeing... If he returns as before he is an absolute freak! Will be interesting to see his state of mind and physical abilities.

Indeed! Hopefully he has learned that he can actually beat others even when riding within his capabilities. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2021, 04:14:08 pm
I (and others) have often said that MM93 needs to start understanding that every single crash carries a heck of a lot of risk and that is was just a matter of time before he would suffer a nasty injury.  He got away with it so often that I got the impression he didn't care about crashing anymore.  On the one hand, this was amazing to see, but in the end, he paid an expensive price.  I sincerely hope that he has learned from this experience.  His capabilities on a halfway decent bike will always have him in the running to be champion.  There is seldomly a need to push it beyond the limits as he did.

My one worry is that, after having a champion that " is no champion since MM wasn't there"  according to most MM fans, we will crown a champion at the end of this year who is " no champion since MM wasn't himself yet". 

Whatever happens, I look forward to seeing the little shit back on the track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 10, 2021, 04:21:45 pm
I think he will be fine ... he will though be a bit shocked that the circus has moved on without him and there are some new clowns on the block ... fast clowns at that!  >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 10, 2021, 04:54:59 pm
Watch him come back and prove everyone wrong  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 10, 2021, 05:33:57 pm
Never liked the little bugger ....................... but I'd love him to do just that  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2021, 06:21:04 pm
Never liked the little bugger ....................... but I'd love him to do just that  :thumleft:

MM has no chance.  In his absence the other Honda riders made those bikes lazy. :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 10, 2021, 06:22:20 pm
Watch him come back and prove everyone wrong  :deal:

You have just made a hugely incorrect statement.  It is impossible for him to prove everyone wrong.  You are already excluded, so not everyone anymore.   :lol8:

MM has no chance.  In his absence the other Honda riders made those bikes lazy. :ricky:

I am  not sure Danie.  It seems those Hondas still remember MM well.  Look at how often during the past two race weekends they rolled around in the kitty litter.   >:D

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 10, 2021, 09:21:51 pm
 8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 10, 2021, 09:41:54 pm
Dominique!!!

Die sonde darem......

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on April 10, 2021, 11:21:19 pm
8)
:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on April 11, 2021, 12:12:15 pm
As much as I never really warned up to MM93 I'm glad he'll be back. He clearly still has the passion for it, so I think we can expect even more excitement in the next races.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 11, 2021, 12:25:04 pm
As much as I never really warned up to MM93 I'm glad he'll be back. He clearly still has the passion for it, so I think we can expect even more excitement in the next races.

Indeed.  We all have our favourites, but for racing to be really exciting there must be heros and villians and therefore we need different favourites.  Your hero, my villain and vice versa is what make it great.  It is why I feel WSBK is a tad boring at present.  They don't really have heros and villians.

I am not an MM fan either.  Don't get me wrong, I have huge respect for his capabilities, I just like the capabilities of another rider more.  Just one or two .... like ....

BB
VR
AD
JM
AE
PE
AM
JMir
AR
MO
DP
JZ
FB
LM

and one or two others ....   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 11, 2021, 03:42:15 pm
Ja, WSBK has lost me for now ......................... I was glad when Rea started beating everyone but now he's just taking the piss.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 13, 2021, 03:49:53 pm
Just been reading on a few different FB pages about a rumor that is seemingly gathering momentum, Savadori injured, out of Portimao, Aprilia has approached IRTA for a rider replacement, some say for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on April 13, 2021, 03:52:16 pm
Not good if it's true, he already had shoulder issues.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 13, 2021, 03:58:33 pm
Dovi was scheduled to test the Aprilia between 12 and 14 April during Aprilia's unofficial practice weeks ago.  He spend yesterday on the bike and while feedback from Dovi and Aprilia is pretty secretive, it seems he liked the bike and commented that he found it easy to ride.  They did not do any timed laps as they spend all day dialing the bike's ergonomics to suit Dovi.  Guys with stop watches at the track reckons he is abot 2s of the pace of the Honda, Ducati and KTM test riders who are also there.  It is likely that he will start pushing during today and try a few hot laps tomorrow. 

I am not sure about the rumour regarding Savadori, but he is completely out of his depth and I would not be surprised if Aprilia would something to park him and get Dovi in a race.  Aprilia, as a special concessions team, does have 6 wild cards for the season as well, so even if Dovi does not get the permanent ride, I would not be surprised to see him as a wild card a few times.  If I read correctly between the lines, there is only one thing that needs to happen, Dovi and the bike like each other.  Aprilia could even throw money aroun dto make Savadori disappear as we saw Avintia do with Karl Abraham 18 months ago to make space for Zarco.  Like I said a few posts back, perhaps throw him a WSBK spec Aprilia and some backing for the Italian SBK series.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 13, 2021, 04:36:29 pm
See Dov come Sunday  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 13, 2021, 06:49:19 pm
Out of interest, why do you say Savadori is out of his depth? Didn't he ride WSBK a while back?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 13, 2021, 07:48:20 pm
Out of interest, why do you say Savadori is out of his depth? Didn't he ride WSBK a while back?

Guys joining MotoGP from Supers are usually out of their depth. Not an easy transition.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on April 13, 2021, 09:40:09 pm
 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 14, 2021, 11:37:14 am
Out of interest, why do you say Savadori is out of his depth? Didn't he ride WSBK a while back?

Guys joining MotoGP from Supers are usually out of their depth. Not an easy transition.

He is not a bad racer, but I feel out of his depth because he is struggling in MotoGP.  He rode World Superstock 1000s for Kawasaki a few years and one year for Aprilia.  He won that title.  Then he spend 4 years or so on an Aprilia in WSBK.  His best was 10th in the championship.  Not bad really, but after 5 races in MotoGP, his best finish was 18th.  His best on the new and improved 2021 Aprilia was 20th and 19th.  He is clearly struggling.  Maybe better all round for him to make space for someone like Dovi. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 14, 2021, 11:43:56 am
Almost time for Portimao.  Some questions I can wait to see the answers this weekend.

- Will VR and FM and the Petronas team be able to pull up their socks and look anything like Petronas did last year?
- How will MM93 do on his come back?
- Who will ride that second Aprilia?  Dov1? Savadori? If Dovi, how will he do?
- Will the KTMs find their ducks and arrange them in a row?
- If MM93 lands a podium will we be able to handle the MM fans here?   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 14, 2021, 11:49:25 am
Almost time for Portimao.  Some questions I can wait to see the answers this weekend.

- Will VR and FM and the Petronas team be able to pull up their socks and look anything like Petronas did last year?
- How will MM93 do on his come back?
- Who will ride that second Aprilia?  Dov1? Savadori? If Dovi, how will he do?
- Will the KTMs find their ducks and arrange them in a row?
- If MM93 lands a podium will we be able to handle the MM fans here?   >:D

Personal opinion on MM93  It will be very good or very poor Don t think there is a in between with him! 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2021, 01:30:46 pm
Four days to go to a MM93 victory  :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2021, 01:34:07 pm
MM days to first race and victory
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2021, 01:35:58 pm
The Champ is back
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 14, 2021, 01:46:28 pm
MM days to first race and victory

93 days sounds about right!   :imaposer:

The Champ is back

He is!?  Then way are you posting old photos of him?   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 14, 2021, 01:54:46 pm
MM days to first race and victory

93 days sounds about right!   :imaposer:

The Champ is back

He is!?  Then way are you posting old photos of him?   :lol8:
Because last years bumbling between the racers it was hard to identify who was the best on the track  :pot:

I'm very happy for Mir and Suzuki
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: JohnB on April 14, 2021, 01:58:59 pm
The Champ is back

Hierdie ou laat my baie aan myself dink  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 14, 2021, 02:12:01 pm
The Champ is back

Hierdie ou laat my baie aan myself dink  :lol8:

Jy val jouself gereeld in jou tjops?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: JohnB on April 14, 2021, 02:25:01 pm
The Champ is back

Hierdie ou laat my baie aan myself dink  :lol8:

Jy val jouself gereeld in jou tjops?

Nee, ek het ook `n fyn stemmetjie  ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 14, 2021, 02:38:40 pm
If Marc MŠrquez has one functioning arm, he has a big problem.

If Marc MŠrquez has two functioning arms, the rest of the grid has a big problem.

 :pot: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 14, 2021, 05:01:42 pm
So this weekend is probably not going to happen for Dovi.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2021/04/14/first-words-dovizioso-on-his-aprilia-test-and-future-plans/367978

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 14, 2021, 06:20:38 pm
I think Dorna went to Aprillia and said we need to have Salvadori injured so that Dovi with many many more fans, facebook intagram twitter followers ect ect can bring up the ratings and viewer's. After all thats how they make their money.

Salvadori brings his mom dad and close cousins to the party.

So thats my conspiracy theory and I putting Dovi for a top 10 in this weekends race for my superbru .

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 15, 2021, 09:54:30 am
Almost time for Portimao.  Now some answers to the questions I posed earlier:

- Will VR and FM and the Petronas team be able to pull up their socks and look anything like Petronas did last year?

Who knows?

- How will MM93 do on his come back?

Difficult to say.

- Who will ride that second Aprilia?  Dovi? Savadori? If Dovi, how will he do?

Looks like it won't be Dovi.

- Will the KTMs find their ducks and arrange them in a row?

Who knows?

- If MM93 lands a podium will we be able to handle the MM fans here?   >:D

Perhaps, but clearly not Mr. Elwood and Sidetrack. (Sidetrack?  Rather appropriate nick for a MM supporter during 2020, no?)   :lol8:

Note:  Who the heck is the Moderator of this sub-forum?  Is he asleep?  Why is he allowing these disgraceful posts by Warren and Sidetrack?  SIES!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 15, 2021, 10:54:32 am
Almost time for Portimao.  Now some answers to the questions I posed earlier:

- Will VR and FM and the Petronas team be able to pull up their socks and look anything like Petronas did last year?

NO

- How will MM93 do on his come back?

GREAT

- Who will ride that second Aprilia?  Dovi? Savadori? If Dovi, how will he do?

Looks like it won't be Dovi.

- Will the KTMs find their ducks and arrange them in a row?

NO

- If MM93 lands a podium will we be able to handle the MM fans here?   >:D

I WOULD SAY TOLD YOU SO

Note:  Who the heck is the Moderator of this sub-forum?  Is he asleep?  Why is he allowing these disgraceful posts by Warren and Sidetrack?  SIES!   >:D
:biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 15, 2021, 11:03:46 am
Almost time for Portimao.  Now some answers to the questions I posed earlier:

- Will VR and FM and the Petronas team be able to pull up their socks and look anything like Petronas did last year?

NO

- How will MM93 do on his come back?

GREAT

- Who will ride that second Aprilia?  Dovi? Savadori? If Dovi, how will he do?

Looks like it won't be Dovi.

- Will the KTMs find their ducks and arrange them in a row?

NO

- If MM93 lands a podium will we be able to handle the MM fans here?   >:D

I WOULD SAY TOLD YOU SO

Note:  Who the heck is the Moderator of this sub-forum?  Is he asleep?  Why is he allowing these disgraceful posts by Warren and Sidetrack?  SIES!   >:D
:biggrin:

Two more VR46 records broken by MM!

1.  Missing a whole season of racing due to injury.
2.  Fans overtook VR fans in the arrogance scale!   :pot: :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 15, 2021, 06:38:38 pm
Seems a crime to be avid MM93 supporter  :deal: Big Honda fan so I support anyone piloting one
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 16, 2021, 07:35:23 am
A nice welcome to the home boy Miguel Oliveira as he arrives the the circuit.

Fans are not allowed this weekend, so this was pretty cool by the Portuguese fans.



Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on April 16, 2021, 09:02:28 am
A nice welcome to the home boy Miguel Oliveira as he arrives the the circuit.

Fans are not allowed this weekend, so this was pretty cool by the Portuguese fans.


That's very cool.
Wonder if Brad got some flack from the same crowd. I know some Portuguese love to hate BB33.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 16, 2021, 09:21:35 am
A nice welcome to the home boy Miguel Oliveira as he arrives the the circuit.

Fans are not allowed this weekend, so this was pretty cool by the Portuguese fans.


That's very cool.
Wonder if Brad got some flack from the same crowd. I know some Portuguese love to hate BB33.

Because he will marry someone from outside the family.. :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2021, 10:08:51 am
Seems a crime to be avid MM93 supporter  :deal: Big Honda fan so I support anyone piloting one

It is indeed a crime.  The MM93 CIB is already watching you with a beady eye!   :lol8:

Supporting Honda makes it even worse.  SIES!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2021, 10:11:05 am
A nice welcome to the home boy Miguel Oliveira as he arrives the the circuit.

Fans are not allowed this weekend, so this was pretty cool by the Portuguese fans.


That's very cool.
Wonder if Brad got some flack from the same crowd. I know some Portuguese love to hate BB33.

Because he will marry someone from outside the family.. :imaposer:

 :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 16, 2021, 11:37:32 am
MM93 FP1 3rd place......and a massive smile on his face.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on April 16, 2021, 11:38:16 am
FP1
Vinales
Rins
M Marquez
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 16, 2021, 11:55:54 am
MM93 FP1 3rd place......and a massive smile on his face.
(https://s4.gifyu.com/images/2005786fb9fdbe75f7b.gif) (https://gifyu.com/image/reZx)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: ZK1 on April 16, 2021, 12:37:55 pm
What am I missing, are the Moto2 bikes doing the same lap times as the MotoGP bikes at the moment?

Well not the same, but closer than usual.

Was the track wet and is drying or what?

142.1 MotoGP
143.9 Moto2
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on April 16, 2021, 12:42:38 pm
What am I missing, are the Moto2 bikes doing the same lap times as the MotoGP bikes at the moment?

Well not the same, but closer than usual.

Was the track wet and is drying or what?

142.1 MotoGP
143.9 Moto2

It was patchy earlier - damp and dry
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bwana on April 16, 2021, 12:43:17 pm
The King is back. MM about to silence the doubters.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 16, 2021, 09:01:25 pm
The King is back. MM about to silence the doubters.

What, is he on Yamaha now?? :peepwall:


He wishes he was......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2021, 09:20:11 pm
The King is back. MM about to silence the doubters.

And with him Bwana!   :lol8:

Welcome back MM and Bwana.

It would seem that I may have to chow down on a largish piece of humble pie, come Sunday.  Is it acceptable to use Tobasco?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2021, 09:29:23 pm
Getting ready for Portimao in Portugal.  Only the 2nd time MotoGP races here.  It looks like an awesome track.  I would love to ride a few laps on it with my GS.  Perhaps with 2SD as my pillion ..............

It looks like Sunday could be a humdinger as in both FP1 and FP2 the top 14 was inside 1s of each other.  The Yamahas, Hondas, Suzukis and Ducatis seem to be on song with Aprilia and KTM struggling again. 

Nicely done Darryn Binder who was 5th in FP1 and in 11th in FP2.  He should have a go to Q2 card in his pocket.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 16, 2021, 09:33:51 pm
Getting ready for Portimao in Portugal.  Only the 2nd time MotoGP races here.  It looks like an awesome track.  I would love to ride a few laps on it with my GS.  Perhaps with 2SD as my pillion ..............

It looks like Sunday could be a humdinger as in both FP1 and FP2 the top 14 was inside 1s of each other.  The Yamahas, Hondas, Suzukis and Ducatis seem to be on song with Aprilia and KTM struggling again. 

Nicely done Darryn Binder who was 5th in FP1 and in 11th in FP2.  He should have a go to Q2 card in his pocket.

I'll scream so, the Porras will think it's a 500 2stroke race going on.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 16, 2021, 09:44:50 pm
Getting ready for Portimao in Portugal.  Only the 2nd time MotoGP races here.  It looks like an awesome track.  I would love to ride a few laps on it with my GS.  Perhaps with 2SD as my pillion ..............



I'll scream so, the Porras will think it's a 500 2stroke race going on.

I feel so incredibly honoured that you think I can go fast enough to make anyone scream.  Thank you.   :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2021, 02:13:44 pm
DB40 qualified 8th, but will start 6th due to the two " fighters"  from two weeks ago starting in the pit lane.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 17, 2021, 06:49:16 pm
DB40 qualified 8th, but will start 6th due to the two " fighters"  from two weeks ago starting in the pit lane.

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 17, 2021, 09:18:47 pm
Some sliding around from MM93 in qualifying, edge of the seat stuff  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2021, 09:27:27 pm
Some sliding around from MM93 in qualifying, edge of the seat stuff  :ricky:

He did remarkably well.  Clever to slipstream faster guys as well.  He says he is very tired, struggles with right handers and will definitely struggle very much over race distance.  This could be fact, or just head games.  Tomorrow we see.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 17, 2021, 09:28:33 pm
Bagnaia was robbed - astoundingly perfect lap for pole and circuit record - no way he could see the yellow flag or his dash. They really need to bring in the headset coms they have been testing especially (or only) for this type of warning.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 17, 2021, 09:38:07 pm
It looks like MM93 and VR46's brother may have a go at each other tomorrow with only two spots separating them on the grid.  Oom VR is again in BB33 country!   :lol8:

Bagnaia was robbed - astoundingly perfect lap for pole and circuit record - no way he could see the yellow flag or his dash. They really need to bring in the headset coms they have been testing especially (or only) for this type of warning.

It is a silly rule.  Even if he saw the yellow flag, he would have had to slow down, so still lose his fastest lap.  This rule means any rider, on his fastest lap, is basically penalised because another rider crashed somewhere ahead of him on the track. 

Another stupid thing is the sensors next to the track to pick up exceeding track limitations.  It cost Vinales two times laps.  The one, you cannot even see him exceed track limits in slow mo (how the heck he is supposed to see that while riding the bike nobody knows), yet the sensors ratted him out and away goes that lap time. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Grant650x on April 18, 2021, 07:06:36 am
So amped for the race. Qualifying looked a bit like 10 pin bowling - the guys were going down everywhere!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Grant650x on April 18, 2021, 07:11:39 am
The VR46 stable is coming through strong - looks like it is time for my beloved Valentino to stop entertaining me and get it together and run a Moto GP team !!

I have enjoyed Rossi since the 125 days until now with incredible racing and he has been the great entertainer in the paddock - Bike racing owes this guy for developing the following that it has developed !!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2021, 10:19:27 am
The VR46 stable is coming through strong - looks like it is time for my beloved Valentino to stop entertaining me and get it together and run a Moto GP team !!

I have enjoyed Rossi since the 125 days until now with incredible racing and he has been the great entertainer in the paddock - Bike racing owes this guy for developing the following that it has developed !!

While I agree on VR46 being one of the greats, it is a sad fact that bike racing in nowhere near as lucrative a sport as car racing.  So, even if bike racing agreed they owed Rossi, there isn't much they can do about it, other than rolling a rock out of his way here and there.  This, I am pretty sure will happen.  While impossible to predict the future, there are some interesting indicators of what is to come.

First, some facts.

- Avintia Racing, currently with Ducati, is in financial trouble and is unlikely to continue from 2022 onward.
- Avintia Racing signed a 1 year deal with Sky and the VR46 company to provide one bike to Rossi's brother for the 2021 season.
- Ducati have indicated that they want to continue with 6 bikes on the grid and are talking to Gresini Racing to run bikes 5 and 6 from 2022 onward, i.e. not Avintia Racing who is currently doing it.
- Gresini Racing did indicate that they are in talks with Ducati, so the above is probably fact and in contract discussions.
- If Avintia does fold financially (all indications are that Ducati help and SkyVR46 help is propping them up this year) and Ducati moves away from them to Gresini Racing, it opens the door wide for SkyVR46 to buy Avintia Racing, including their 2 grid spots.
- Suzuki is talking about a satellite team.

Now for the conjecture.

If the above happens, I believe we will see a SkyVR46 team as early as 2022, not later than 2023 with Rossi as owner / manager operating as the Suzuki satellite team.  It will be cool!

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2021, 11:04:06 am
During warm up practice this morning BB33 was 9th fastest and DB40 11th.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 18, 2021, 03:59:37 pm
The King is back. MM about to silence the doubters.

What, is he on Yamaha now?? :peepwall:


He wishes he was......
O0
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 18, 2021, 11:25:19 pm
Thanks goodness.  No chowing down on humble pie this weekend.  MM looked good, but as he himself said, his general fitness and strength of his right arm is not where it should be yet.  I see he is still into rear ending riders, but he my find that there are a few fairing bashers in the mix that he hasn't encountered previously. This may well develop into an amazing season.  Rins, Mir, Miller, Binder, Bagnaia, etc. are not going to lie down and let MM walk all over them.

What a start for BB33!  I wonder if his mate Jack Miller passed him a Ducati holeshot device for the day?  He flew off the line like a BMW rider going for free muffins.  5th place, no less.  A bit lucky with 2 crashes ahead of him, but 7th would also have worked.  He is now easily the top KTM rider and perhaps those irritating porras will remain quiet for a week or so about their hero, Binder eater, MO88.  Also BB33 can now go around telling everyone he has not only beaten and scared VR, he also beat MM.

Then, poor old DB40.  Relegated to a pit lane start for an indiscretion called " irresponsible riding" and then finding him on a bike, just like his team mate, just not on the pace.  He finished 20th.  I would have parked it after 3 laps and walked (still faster than his bike on the day) for a cold beer somewhere.   Bummer.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 19, 2021, 07:17:35 am
Jeez, they were binning it all over the place yesterday.
Fabio was fabulous
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 19, 2021, 07:43:45 am
...  He flew off the line like a BMW rider going for free muffins.  5th place, no less. ....
Look, bud, if ever you get retrenched - God forbid, then you DO have a future in writing...!  ;D

Your quote gave me a BIG chicle, 1st thing Monday morning!
 :thumleft:
Cheers
Chris
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 19, 2021, 08:01:50 am
I see in interviews with both BB33 and MO88, they both still saying they need to find a better set up to deal with the new Michelin front tyres. Seems the hard tyre is still not hard enough for the KTM. Brad described it as feeling like bubblegum when braking from high speed.

Otherwise a good day of racing, lots of big crashes though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: zebra - Flying Brick on April 19, 2021, 08:06:01 am
I looked at the side-profiles of the 20-odd bikes; it seems ONLY the KTM's have that 'over-sized' gap between the back of the front wheel, and the 'tip' of the leading edge of the motor....?

can the racing cognoscenti enlighten me as to whether or not that is done for a varry good/obvious reason, because it LOOKS - to my unpracticed eye - like there is an aerodynamic DIS advantage going on...?

thanks
Chris
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 19, 2021, 08:08:03 am
Good race for BB and Espargaro on the Aprilia, right MM93 warm up race done and dusted now the chasing the podium spots starts. What a disastrous season for jackass so far. Morbedelli did find something for the race. The Suzuki's looks great so early in the season  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 19, 2021, 12:53:04 pm
Jeez, they were binning it all over the place yesterday.
Fabio was fabulous

5 DNFs!  That is quite high.

I like Fabio, but have often said he did not shine in Moto3 (best 10th in championship), nor in Moto 2 (best 10th in championship).  He tends to be fabulous or useless with nothing in between.  I so hope he proves me totally wrong this year.

Good race for BB and Espargaro on the Aprilia, right MM93 warm up race done and dusted now the chasing the podium spots starts. What a disastrous season for jackass so far. Morbedelli did find something for the race. The Suzuki's looks great so early in the season  8)

BB did very well.  Best of all, he is now way clear of MO in the championship and rule 1 of racing, beat your team mate!  Espargaro and the Aprilia is loudly knocking on the door of a top 5, even a podium.  They need to get Dovi into the team soonest.  I like Morbidelli as a rider.  Even from Moto2 days.  He looked much better than at Qatar.  I hope to see him on the podium soon.  Who is this MM93 you speak off?   ;)

Poor Jack.  If it wasn't for bad luck he'd have no luck.  Was he not the first rider rear ended by MM since MM's long sick leave stint? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 19, 2021, 01:01:24 pm
I looked at the side-profiles of the 20-odd bikes; it seems ONLY the KTM's have that 'over-sized' gap between the back of the front wheel, and the 'tip' of the leading edge of the motor....?

can the racing cognoscenti enlighten me as to whether or not that is done for a varry good/obvious reason, because it LOOKS - to my unpracticed eye - like there is an aerodynamic DIS advantage going on...?

thanks
Chris

I didn't notice that before and I honestly don't know if that would be a positive, or negative in terms of aerodynanics.  I can only accept that the designers would have gone for the best option. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 19, 2021, 01:03:42 pm
Jeez, they were binning it all over the place yesterday.
Fabio was fabulous

5 DNFs!  That is quite high.

I like Fabio, but have often said he did not shine in Moto3 (best 10th in championship), nor in Moto 2 (best 10th in championship).  He tends to be fabulous or useless with nothing in between.  I so hope he proves me totally wrong this year.

Good race for BB and Espargaro on the Aprilia, right MM93 warm up race done and dusted now the chasing the podium spots starts. What a disastrous season for jackass so far. Morbedelli did find something for the race. The Suzuki's looks great so early in the season  8)

BB did very well.  Best of all, he is now way clear of MO in the championship and rule 1 of racing, beat your team mate!  Espargaro and the Aprilia is loudly knocking on the door of a top 5, even a podium.  They need to get Dovi into the team soonest.  I like Morbidelli as a rider.  Even from Moto2 days.  He looked much better than at Qatar.  I hope to see him on the podium soon.  Who is this MM93 you speak off?   ;)

Poor Jack.  If it wasn't for bad luck he'd have no luck.  Was he not the first rider rear ended by MM since MM's long sick leave stint?

When MM93 Gets back on song there is only two other places on the podium. like him or not he is in a different class !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 19, 2021, 01:14:25 pm
Both you and Sidetrack speak of this MM person?  Are you following tiddlywinks?   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 19, 2021, 01:20:23 pm
Both you and Sidetrack speak of this MM person?  Are you following tiddlywinks?   ;)

If only I knew what  it was had to Google  Ha Ha
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 19, 2021, 03:25:30 pm
Both you and Sidetrack speak of this MM person?  Are you following tiddlywinks?   ;)

If only I knew what  it was had to Google  Ha Ha

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 19, 2021, 08:15:35 pm
With modern sport science, there is no way that MarkieMarc could have fared this bad in the race. They could devise substitute exercises to mimic what was needed in a GP.

He has more serious problems, and I wonder whether the old marc Marques has not departed forever.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BliknÍrs on April 19, 2021, 08:48:14 pm
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 19, 2021, 09:50:51 pm
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2021, 07:38:15 am
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
We will come back to this post when he wins his first race again  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 20, 2021, 08:28:02 am
Its a disaster the master was in plaster...

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 20, 2021, 08:38:21 am
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
We will come back to this post when he wins his first race again  :deal:

This statement is so wrong on so many levels.   :lol8:

@2StrokeDan, I reckon the bikes did change and by some margin as well.  Although engine remained the same, there was development in terms of suspension, aerodynamics and so on.  Also, for a full season Honda drastically tried to get their bikes higher up in the field and for the first time in a long time, deviated from the MM93 bike to a bike that would suit Nakagami, Bradl and AM73. MM93 started this past weekend on a Bradl bike and in a short time had to adapt it ti himself.  He has never raced at Portimao, so they had no starting point for him.  This will be different at Jerez in two weeks though.  That said, I believe he will still not be his old self yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Kamanya on April 20, 2021, 09:16:19 am
With modern sport science, there is no way that MarkieMarc could have fared this bad in the race. They could devise substitute exercises to mimic what was needed in a GP.

He has more serious problems, and I wonder whether the old marc Marques has not departed forever.

Just curious, conjecture or fact?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 20, 2021, 10:15:56 am
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
We will come back to this post when he wins his first race again  :deal:

This statement is so wrong on so many levels.   :lol8:

@2StrokeDan, I reckon the bikes did change and by some margin as well.  Although engine remained the same, there was development in terms of suspension, aerodynamics and so on.  Also, for a full season Honda drastically tried to get their bikes higher up in the field and for the first time in a long time, deviated from the MM93 bike to a bike that would suit Nakagami, Bradl and AM73. MM93 started this past weekend on a Bradl bike and in a short time had to adapt it ti himself.  He has never raced at Portimao, so they had no starting point for him.  This will be different at Jerez in two weeks though.  That said, I believe he will still not be his old self yet.

But he did test there in march if I am not mistaken, so there would be some baseline data from which to glean some knowledge...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on April 20, 2021, 11:11:28 am
Think the March test was on a superbike, so first time at Portimao on a MotoGP machine, and correct, he started with Bradl's settings.

Give him a couple more races, I think he will be back to his old self in a while.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 20, 2021, 11:13:34 am
Think the March test was on a superbike, so first time at Portimao on a MotoGP machine, and correct, he started with Bradl's settings.

Give him a couple more races, I think he will be back to his old self in a while.




Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2021, 11:23:31 am
With modern sport science, there is no way that MarkieMarc could have fared this bad in the race. They could devise substitute exercises to mimic what was needed in a GP.

He has more serious problems, and I wonder whether the old marc Marques has not departed forever.

Just curious, conjecture or fact?

All conjecture, in response to some making it sound like MM was in a hospital bed for months until Sunday morning and rode the Honda for the first time in the race at Portimao.

And to wind up MM fans a bit. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 20, 2021, 11:33:23 am
So with his terrible injury and not being 100% he rocks up at a track he has not raced at and rides essentially someone else bike setup and lands up being the fastest guy on a Honda. What a dud.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 20, 2021, 11:49:48 am
MM has come back in a time when the other teams have moved their goal posts.
He cant come back now at 95% and rule the house.
He will either take his time to get back to 100%, and be competitive later in the season, or he will rush it and this is a serious gamble, don`t think he can afford another big tumble.
Hey, the good news is, we have Yamaha, Suzuki, Duc all fighting it out.
Be great if KTM and Honda get in there too.
Just hate it that at some tracks the Ducs come flying past in the straights.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 20, 2021, 12:00:50 pm
The Honda's also have the same problem as the KTM where Michelin thought it wize to remove their favorite hard tyre and give them a piece of bubble gum to ride on as Brad called it. Also Marcs first race on the new tyre.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 20, 2021, 01:31:30 pm
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
We will come back to this post when he wins his first race again  :deal:

This statement is so wrong on so many levels.   :lol8:

@2StrokeDan, I reckon the bikes did change and by some margin as well.  Although engine remained the same, there was development in terms of suspension, aerodynamics and so on.  Also, for a full season Honda drastically tried to get their bikes higher up in the field and for the first time in a long time, deviated from the MM93 bike to a bike that would suit Nakagami, Bradl and AM73. MM93 started this past weekend on a Bradl bike and in a short time had to adapt it ti himself.  He has never raced at Portimao, so they had no starting point for him.  This will be different at Jerez in two weeks though.  That said, I believe he will still not be his old self yet.

But he did test there in march if I am not mistaken, so there would be some baseline data from which to glean some knowledge...

He did test there yes, but not on a MotoGP bike.  He rode the RCV213-S, i.e. the road going version of the 2016 MotoGP bike, the last of which was build in 2018.  I doubt that could have given them a baseline worth using.  He may as well have used a Fireblade.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 20, 2021, 03:52:02 pm
You mean his head is not in the game?
He started well but I think the Hondas arenít competitive.

The bike has not changed, he was always the only one to be consistently fast on the Honda.

There is an old racing adage that preaches to resume racing as soon as possible after a crash, or the demons will move into your head permanently.

A bit of that, and a shoulder that is not curing :biggrin:, and a man falls short.
We will come back to this post when he wins his first race again  :deal:

This statement is so wrong on so many levels.   :lol8:

@2StrokeDan, I reckon the bikes did change and by some margin as well.  Although engine remained the same, there was development in terms of suspension, aerodynamics and so on.  Also, for a full season Honda drastically tried to get their bikes higher up in the field and for the first time in a long time, deviated from the MM93 bike to a bike that would suit Nakagami, Bradl and AM73. MM93 started this past weekend on a Bradl bike and in a short time had to adapt it ti himself.  He has never raced at Portimao, so they had no starting point for him.  This will be different at Jerez in two weeks though.  That said, I believe he will still not be his old self yet.

But he did test there in march if I am not mistaken, so there would be some baseline data from which to glean some knowledge...

He did test there yes, but not on a MotoGP bike.  He rode the RCV213-S, i.e. the road going version of the 2016 MotoGP bike, the last of which was build in 2018. I doubt that could have given them a baseline worth using. He may as well have used a Fireblade.


Certainly would not have... This was more about testing the arm than anything else.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2021, 07:35:23 pm
MM has come back in a time when the other teams have moved their goal posts.
He cant come back now at 95% and rule the house.
He will either take his time to get back to 100%, and be competitive later in the season, or he will rush it and this is a serious gamble, don`t think he can afford another big tumble.
Hey, the good news is, we have Yamaha, Suzuki, Duc all fighting it out.
Be great if KTM and Honda get in there too.
Just hate it that at some tracks the Ducs come flying past in the straights.

But don't you just love it when they get passed willy-nilly in the corners?? :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 20, 2021, 07:38:06 pm

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But don't you just love it when they get passed willy-nilly in the corners?? :ricky: :ricky:

[/quote]

Yes  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 20, 2021, 07:43:19 pm
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2021, 09:43:04 pm
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 21, 2021, 10:40:59 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:
Maybe all the coding was in Italian
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 21, 2021, 10:44:56 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:
Maybe all the coding was in Italian

Anyone who has owned an Italian vehicle will know that while they have a flair for design and mechanics that electronics is really not their forte ... despite trying very hard  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 21, 2021, 05:41:11 pm
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 21, 2021, 09:07:54 pm
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 22, 2021, 09:22:25 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:

One of those factory bikes (Vinales) was running stone last at one point last week and eventually finished 11th in a race that had only 16 finishers.  To finish 11th, he had to pass a rookie on a third team Ducati, a rookie in an Aprilia, two KTM satellite riders and pass Oliviera while he is picking up his bike in the kitty litter.  That is not well sorted in my book.     
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 22, 2021, 11:08:34 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:

One of those factory bikes (Vinales) was running stone last at one point last week and eventually finished 11th in a race that had only 16 finishers.  To finish 11th, he had to pass a rookie on a third team Ducati, a rookie in an Aprilia, two KTM satellite riders and pass Oliviera while he is picking up his bike in the kitty litter.  That is not well sorted in my book.   
And he could not even beat a Honda with a rider with one functioning arm
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 22, 2021, 11:14:54 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:

One of those factory bikes (Vinales) was running stone last at one point last week and eventually finished 11th in a race that had only 16 finishers.  To finish 11th, he had to pass a rookie on a third team Ducati, a rookie in an Aprilia, two KTM satellite riders and pass Oliviera while he is picking up his bike in the kitty litter.  That is not well sorted in my book.   
And he could not even beat a Honda with a rider with one functioning arm

Yep.  If I was Yamaha, I'd be optimistic, but not yet applauding myself.  It seems they can currently get one of three factory bikes to work, which admittedly is better than Honda, Ducati, KTM and Aprilia.  Only Suzuki seems to not be struggling with their factory bikes.  The way it is going Dorna would soon have to impliment special rules to protect the factory bikes against the satellite bikes!  :lol8:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 22, 2021, 02:08:33 pm
Jorge Martin crashed rather hard during the run-up to the Portimao GP.  He missed the race and will sit out at least one more after some surgeon scratching around inside his arm and leg.  So, the team gets a replacement rider.  Tito Rabat.  Fark!  They could have asked me to ride instead.  I'd have been cheaper and I am sure I could come last as well.   :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 22, 2021, 03:22:30 pm
Jorge Martin crashed rather hard during the run-up to the Portimao GP.  He missed the race and will sit out at least one more after some surgeon scratching around inside his arm and leg.  So, the team gets a replacement rider.  Tito Rabat.  Fark!  They could have asked me to ride instead.  I'd have been cheaper and I am sure I could come last as well.   :snorting:

I hope you don't end up having to warm up that humble pie.  ;)  He has after all been a Ducati rider and so not surprising they have called him up. While not an MM or FQ he can actually ride (like most all at this level, even those we think are shite). I think the 2018 triple fracture of his leg at Silverstone is what really derailed his career trajectory.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 22, 2021, 03:43:09 pm
Jorge Martin crashed rather hard during the run-up to the Portimao GP.  He missed the race and will sit out at least one more after some surgeon scratching around inside his arm and leg.  So, the team gets a replacement rider.  Tito Rabat.  Fark!  They could have asked me to ride instead.  I'd have been cheaper and I am sure I could come last as well.   :snorting:

I hope you don't end up having to warm up that humble pie.  ;)  He has after all been a Ducati rider and so not surprising they have called him up. While not an MM or FQ he can actually ride (like most all at this level, even those we think are shite). I think the 2018 triple fracture of his leg at Silverstone is what really derailed his career trajectory.

Yeah, I know.  He is actually not a bad rider at all and a Moto 2 World Champion.  His leg fracture certainly did not help and then he got stuck at Avintia Ducati, at the time a customer team, so mainly using 2 year old bikes.  Not competitive at all.  Avintia only looked like a proper team, once Ducati started pumping money and proper back up in, technically adopting Avintia as a 2nd satellite team to support Johann Zarco.

(Note:  I keep a few humble pies in the freezer, just in case.)  :-[ 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 22, 2021, 08:30:21 pm
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:

One of those factory bikes (Vinales) was running stone last at one point last week and eventually finished 11th in a race that had only 16 finishers.  To finish 11th, he had to pass a rookie on a third team Ducati, a rookie in an Aprilia, two KTM satellite riders and pass Oliviera while he is picking up his bike in the kitty litter.  That is not well sorted in my book.   

Looks like the difference between you and me is that I do not look at the last placed okes. I watch the winner. As long as he is on a Yamaha. :biggrin:

No bike can catch the Ducatis for their power..........then Yamaha outruns them by many seconds. :ricky: :ricky:

I know you are a Yammie man too. :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2021, 09:49:03 am
Good read: How Yamaha fixed their YZR-M1

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/how-yamaha-fixed-the-yzr-m1?fbclid=IwAR0arcsY3LMydQ0p7ViVgw1wqot_jeXtAFwakpd9JosY1uXk8Mhn-s3iV_8

Very good article by Mat. I do find it hard to believe that Yamaha electronic engineers would have such a hard time with the "relatively low-tech" Spaghetti Marelli when they are used to better stuff in-house?

But, the performance of the team is proof that something was amiss. :biggrin:

Yamaha made a few serious errors during the past few years, in my (not so) humble opinion.  First, when the unified electronics were introduced, Honda and Ducati poached top engineers from Magnetti Marelli.  Yamaha thought their own were the bee's knees.  They were not.  Some years ago, Ducati and Honda introduced European testing teams.  Yamaha chose to stay with Japanese in Japan.  We saw the results.

Matt's article is good, but perhaps a tad premature.  Yamaha does not yet seem to be back where they belong.  Yes, they are winning races which is undeniably, good, but they still seem to struggle with consistency. 

Race 1:  1st, 5th, 12th and 18th.
Race 2:  1st, 5th, 12th and 16th.
Race 3:  1st, 4th, 11th and DNF.

So, they had 12 top 10 opportunities and managed 6.  All the riders, except the winner complains about the same issue from previous years.  Lack of rear grip under acceleration.  Obviously, these wins as well as the top 5 2nd places (as well as good performances last year) are are miles better than the previous two years, but a a Yamaha fan, I'd like to see a bit more consistency.  I have this niggly feeling ... are they better, or did the rest not develop?

Ja, ek weet.  Ek is vol kak.

All the complaining Yamaha riders must simply copy the settings on the two factory bikes. They seem well sorted. :thumleft:

One of those factory bikes (Vinales) was running stone last at one point last week and eventually finished 11th in a race that had only 16 finishers.  To finish 11th, he had to pass a rookie on a third team Ducati, a rookie in an Aprilia, two KTM satellite riders and pass Oliviera while he is picking up his bike in the kitty litter.  That is not well sorted in my book.   

Looks like the difference between you and me is that I do not look at the last placed okes. I watch the winner. As long as he is on a Yamaha. :biggrin:

No bike can catch the Ducatis for their power..........then Yamaha outruns them by many seconds. :ricky: :ricky:

I know you are a Yammie man too. :thumleft:

I am indeed a Yamaha man and I love to see them winning again.  I know I sound a tad negative, but I would also like to see the other Yamies do well.  Yes, I want a winner, but the other three close by will be so much nicer.  I have also always like the handling bikes more than the sheer power ones.  In the words of VR himself, anyone can ride a bike fast in a straight line.

The problem for Yamaha, as I see it is not the Ducatis, but rather those Suzukis.  Also sweet handling and well sorted in terms of electro-gizmos and tyres.  What worries me is that the Suzukis consistently, race after race, do not have tyre issues, while Yamaha still does.  I do sincerely hope I am wrong.  In fact, I hope, I really HOPE that at the end of the season you can berate me for being wrong.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 23, 2021, 11:19:23 am
On a different note. Here is an article from motogp.com showing the kind of risks these riders are taking when racing. Alpinestars released data from Jorge Martin's crash showing 4 impacts of over 25G. Very scary when the slide goes wrong and the rider starts to barrel roll. Jorge is said to be out for the next two rounds after three separate4 surgeries.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2021/04/23/data-from-jorge-martin-s-portimao-horror-crash/369822?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=DatafromJorgeMartin%27sPortimaohorrorcrash&utm_campaign=Traffic&fbclid=IwAR2Fqais1241JNd23Wwm98WzjpaucnlteWGclG8kUeF_P4YmC9UiB-Px6U8
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 23, 2021, 12:01:58 pm
Amazing stuff!  I will hurt for a week, just reading that.  These guys are truly aliens.  Yes, the special leathers help, but still.  EINA!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2021, 12:03:30 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 23, 2021, 12:09:24 pm
Some entertainment for a Friday afternoon

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on April 23, 2021, 12:35:22 pm
I'm glad I'm not Sharon Binder reading this stuff about Jorge Martin's crash stats :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 23, 2021, 01:39:49 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes

They are all on the limit but fuck yes, the tyres just let go so quickly these days as if without warning!  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on April 23, 2021, 02:57:23 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes

I think due to the electronics there is no more warning before it lets go completely!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 23, 2021, 04:09:00 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes

I think due to the electronics there is no more warning before it lets go completely!

And perhaps electronics are blunting off a bit of that racer's edge?

Imagine how the modernMotoGP racer will kak on a 500stroker.......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on April 23, 2021, 06:08:39 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes

I think due to the electronics there is no more warning before it lets go completely!

And perhaps electronics are blunting off a bit of that racer's edge?

Imagine how the modernMotoGP racer will kak on a 500stroker.......

That is why Rossi is widely regarded as the GOAT!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on April 23, 2021, 09:35:37 pm
Also shows you the tallent of Brad Binder nursing  that squishy front tyre to 5th place.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 24, 2021, 01:12:05 pm
I think, in their sub-consious mind, they know the suit, etc. will protect more.  Also, I am not 100% convinced that the Michilin tyres do what they should do at 100%.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 24, 2021, 01:18:58 pm
And the guys seems to fall even more than in the old days, pushing harder ? It seems even with modern tyres, brakes and electronics a bike still goes down like a sack of potatoes

I think due to the electronics there is no more warning before it lets go completely!

And perhaps electronics are blunting off a bit of that racer's edge?

Imagine how the modernMotoGP racer will kak on a 500stroker.......

The modern riders would struggle with those 500cc widow makers, for sure.

I think the problem with electronics is that they are set to the minutest details for every corner and every straight.  Pre-settings are involved as well.  If a rider now turns a tad later, or off line the electronics, pre-set to do something specific, needs to adapt to the different scenario and maybe doesn't do it fast enough. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 24, 2021, 02:31:15 pm
Suffering from the same shit all modern bikes do!  ???  Too much fooking idiot rider assist!  :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 24, 2021, 03:09:15 pm
It is that time of the year again.  WSBK bikes and some MotoGP bikes shared the same track, Aragon in Spain.  Again, some interesting results.  Keep in mind, it was official WSBK testing and unofficial testing for the MotoGP teams who elected to attend.

Fastest times set:

1.  Rea, Kawasaki: 1'49,338
2.  Crutchlow, Yamaha: 1'49,460
3.  Lowes, Kawasaki: 1'49,470
4.  Pedrosa, KTM: 1'49,912

As with every year when this happens, it is suprising to see that the WSBK bikes are on par, even faster around Aragon than the MotoGP bikes.  Times are different when qualifying for the race.  In 2020, WSBK were on Aragon in August and MotoGP twice in Ocober.

Fastest times during qualifying:

1.  Nakagami, Honda: 1'46,882 (Aragon 2)
2.  Morbidelli, Yamaha: 1'46,946 (Aragon 2)
3.  Quartararo, Yamaha: 1'47,076 (Aragon 1)
4.  Vinales, Yamaha: 1'47,122 (Aragon 1)
5.  Rins, Suzuki: 1'47,155 (Aragon 2)
6.  Crutchlow, Honda: 1'47,305 (Aragon 1)
7.  Rea, Kawasaki: 1'48,860
8.  Baz, Yamaha: 1'49,031
9.  Redding, Ducati: 1'49,164


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 26, 2021, 10:07:41 am
Will we see another mid-season swop of riders at KTM this year?  It seems Herve Poncheral is not happy with the performance and work levels of Icer Lecuona. 

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/976047/1/poncharal-lecuona-lost-no-sparkle-everybody-needs-wake

In a couple of days they will be at Jerez.  Last year they raced it twice in consecutive weekends and Yamaha kicked arse hard and without sympathy for any other brand.

2020 Jerez 1:  1. FQ, 2. MV, 5. FM, VR DNF (fubar engine).
2020 Jerez 2:  1. FQ, 2. MV, 3. VR, FM DNF (fubar engine - if not for this FM may well have been the champion last year).

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 28, 2021, 12:14:10 pm
Confirmed.  There will be a VR46 MotoGP team after a sponsorship deal was signed with Saudi company Aramco to be the main sponsor.  This will be from 2022 to 2026.  The bikes and riders was not announced.  Both bikes and riders will be interesting to see. 

Riders:  Aparantly, the idea is to bring young riders into MotoGP and if this is the case, it will surely be VR46 Academy riders.  At the very least, Italian riders.  Obvious possibilities at present are VR himself, Morbidelli or Marini.  Morbidelli stated that he is already to old and experienced.  VR may, for the marketing value ride one bike for a season.  Marini may be a good choice for the first 2 years or so.  Then again, there are a large group of VR46 Academy riders busy making their way up the ladder from Moto 3 and Moto 2.

Bikes:  We all know Rossi and Yamaha are best of buddies, but it is doubtful whether Yamaha will want to field 6 bikes.  That said, the Petronas / Yamaha contract expires at the end of this year.  The rumour mill indicates that Petronas and Yamaha are far into negotiating a new contract, but who knows these days?  Both Suzuki and Aprilia have indicated they may want to support a satellite team.  Also, SkyVR46 is already supporting 1 Ducati in the Avintia team.  AramcoVR46 will, in all probability take over the grid slots of the Avintia team,so perhaps, Ducatis?  Personally, I am hoping for Suzukis.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/976181/1/vr46-gets-saudi-sponsor-motogp-2022-and-beyond
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 29, 2021, 07:22:19 am
So they will bring young riders into motogp with Rossi riding? How does that work?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: cocky on April 29, 2021, 07:34:07 am
So they will bring young riders into motogp with Rossi riding? How does that work?
I don't think he will be riding, this will be his last season. BTW the VR46 academy has brought many riders into the championship, much like the Spanish federation does.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on April 29, 2021, 09:54:25 am
Big news is that the king will have his own team in motogp next year.

Might be a conflict of interests both on and off the track..maybe he will abdicate gracefully.

We wait n see
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 29, 2021, 11:21:48 am
The king may just be a great manager if only he can stop riding and taking up a young riderís slot.. selfishly so
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on April 29, 2021, 11:36:29 am
Eintlik moet hulle net die  Sondae, 2 pm races skuif, dus eintlik ou mense se bietjie skuinsle tydgleuf mos. :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 29, 2021, 11:44:08 am
So they will bring young riders into motogp with Rossi riding? How does that work?

To quote our dear friend and fellow WD, Woolley Bugger: "Lees en presteer".

Quote from: TheBear OPINION
VR may, for the marketing value ride one bike for a season

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 29, 2021, 11:57:16 am
The king may just be a great manager if only he can stop riding and taking up a young riderís slot.. selfishly so

Taking a young rider's slot?  Which rider Kilroy?  Who do you believe should get his slot? MotoGP is a multi-billion dollar business, not a charity.  He rides because he brings in the crowds and the advertising value.  We cannot even begin to guess what value he has for Petronas and Yamaha in terms of marketing.

Selfish?  Take a look at the VR46 Academy.  The SkyVR46 racing teams.  Born out of selfishness?  It is difficult to judge, but where would riders like Bagnaia, Morbidelli, Marini, Bezzecchi, Bulega, Antonelli, Migni, Vietti, Balddassari, Manzi and Foggia have been without the VR46 Academy?    The contract works like this.  VR46 (the company) supports these riders 100%.  They contribute 10% of their winnings.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 29, 2021, 01:44:36 pm
Confirmed that Aprilia will be in MotoGP till 2026 at least as they have signed contract.  Interesting thing is that they will receive two grid spots as an official factory team from 2022 onward.  This ties in with the rumour that Ducati is courting the Grisini Team who currently runs the Aprilias to handle their 5th and 6th bikes from 2022 onward.  If Grisini does take on the role as 2nd satellite team for Ducati, it will leave the Avintia team's spots for the new Aramco VR46 team.  Pretty much as predicted by rumours sometime ago.

Dorna's plan has always been a 24 bike grid.  Their hope is 6 manufacturers with 4 bikes (2 x factory and 2 x satellite) each.  The interesting question now is, will the Aramco VR46 team be the satellite team for Suzuki, or Aprilia or will they be a 2nd satellite team for Yamaha?  I bet Dorna is pushing for Aprilia or Suzuki as they prefer 4 bikes per manufacturer.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 29, 2021, 03:32:31 pm
While Vale has an 'attachment' to Yamaha I bet the Italian blood runs redder for Aprilia. Suzuki are surely the best option, mind (being the most rounded and sorted bike presently by the looks of things).
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 29, 2021, 04:28:33 pm
While Vale has an 'attachment' to Yamaha I bet the Italian blood runs redder for Aprilia. Suzuki are surely the best option, mind (being the most rounded and sorted bike presently by the looks of things).

Indeed, Aprilia is Italian and from 2022 they will, for the first time field a full factory team, so possibly space for what we know as the Gresini Aprilia team to continue for Vale.  I am hoping for Suzuki though.  Not only does their bike look the best alround performer, I would really love to see 4 Suzukis on the grid, sooner rather than later.  Rossi is also an astute business man, so he will probably go with the best deal regardless of the colour of blood.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 09:44:22 am
Confirmed.  There will be a VR46 MotoGP team after a sponsorship deal was signed with Saudi company Aramco to be the main sponsor.  This will be from 2022 to 2026.  The bikes and riders was not announced.  Both bikes and riders will be interesting to see. 

..................

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/976181/1/vr46-gets-saudi-sponsor-motogp-2022-and-beyond

Was this a hoax of some kind? 

Aramco denied this deal and said they were not aware of any such deal.   :o

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on April 30, 2021, 09:46:42 am
The king may just be a great manager if only he can stop riding and taking up a young riderís slot.. selfishly so

Taking a young rider's slot?  Which rider Kilroy?  Who do you believe should get his slot? MotoGP is a multi-billion dollar business, not a charity.  He rides because he brings in the crowds and the advertising value.  We cannot even begin to guess what value he has for Petronas and Yamaha in terms of marketing.

Selfish?  Take a look at the VR46 Academy.  The SkyVR46 racing teams.  Born out of selfishness?  It is difficult to judge, but where would riders like Bagnaia, Morbidelli, Marini, Bezzecchi, Bulega, Antonelli, Migni, Vietti, Balddassari, Manzi and Foggia have been without the VR46 Academy?    The contract works like this.  VR46 (the company) supports these riders 100%.  They contribute 10% of their winnings.

What crowds?

Old man past his prime takes the slot of young guy.  Self explanatory..  he should just retire
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 09:46:44 am
Jerez Moto 3 FP1:  DB40 in 8th, 0,332s of the pace.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 30, 2021, 10:35:16 am
BB first in FP1  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 10:37:22 am
BB first in FP1  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Indeed!  Two bloody awesome hot laps during the last minutes.  Wow!

Commentators comparing him to both VR46 and MM93.  High praise indeed.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 30, 2021, 10:38:38 am
BB first in FP1  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Indeed!  Two bloody awesome hot laps during the last minutes.  Wow!

Ja blew them out the water. MM in third  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 10:42:17 am
Who would have believed a MotoGP FP with the top 17 one second apart?

Interesting to see Honda is running Bradl as wildcard this weekend.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on April 30, 2021, 10:58:02 am
Awesome!
What's the weather like?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 11:58:32 am
Awesome!
What's the weather like?

Sunshine, but cool, around 18C .... OH!  You mean at Jerez?  :lol8:

It seems nice weather.  No rain.  Sunshine, but not very hot yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on April 30, 2021, 12:50:46 pm
Awesome!
What's the weather like?

Sunshine, but cool, around 18C .... OH!  You mean at Jerez?  :lol8:

It seems nice weather.  No rain.  Sunshine, but not very hot yet.

Ja, cooler - was 40' last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on April 30, 2021, 01:51:02 pm
FP 2:  DB40: 5th.  Should be direct to Q2.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on April 30, 2021, 01:54:44 pm
FP 2:  DB40: 5th.  Should be direct to Q2.

Time gaps?
Yes, at Jerez....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on April 30, 2021, 07:03:01 pm
BB first in FP1  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Indeed!  Two bloody awesome hot laps during the last minutes.  Wow!

Ja blew them out the water. MM in third  :o
The arm is getting stronger  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 01, 2021, 11:43:36 am
ENORMOUS offs for BB and MM in FP3  :o :-\.   Both very lucky to walk away relatively unscathed. MM almost taken out by his flying bike and clearly rattled. Brad usual cool self but cost him his Q2 place.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2021, 12:39:10 pm
Can someone please explain practice and qualifying for me. Q1 Q2 FP1 FP2, then only some guys get to ride etc. All Greek to me.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 01, 2021, 01:43:37 pm
Free practice 1,2 and 3's top ten combined  times go through to Q2 automatically. The rest go into Q1. The two fastest riders in Q1 get to try and improve their poitions in Q2.

So If you come 3rd in Q1 you will start the race in 13th and so on with the other riders behind you in their Q1 pos +10.

Then the riders in Q2 will make up the 1st 12 on the grid in their respective finishing positions.

Then before Q1 you get FP4 where the quys concentrate on race pace setup.

I hope I didn't make it more confusing.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 01, 2021, 04:12:45 pm
Free practice 1,2 and 3's top ten combined  times go through to Q2 automatically. The rest go into Q1. The two fastest riders in Q1 get to try and improve their poitions in Q2.

So If you come 3rd in Q1 you will start the race in 13th and so on with the other riders behind you in their Q1 pos +10.

Then the riders in Q2 will make up the 1st 12 on the grid in their respective finishing positions.

Then before Q1 you get FP4 where the quys concentrate on race pace setup.

I hope I didn't make it more confusing.

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Joh that is a mouth full, I would say free practice on Friday then Saturday give the guys an hour to setup a best lap for the race grid, simple. But I guess everything is geared towards viewership these days.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 01, 2021, 09:36:01 pm
Free practice 1,2 and 3's top ten combined  times go through to Q2 automatically. The rest go into Q1. The two fastest riders in Q1 get to try and improve their poitions in Q2.

So If you come 3rd in Q1 you will start the race in 13th and so on with the other riders behind you in their Q1 pos +10.

Then the riders in Q2 will make up the 1st 12 on the grid in their respective finishing positions.

Then before Q1 you get FP4 where the quys concentrate on race pace setup.

I hope I didn't make it more confusing.

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Joh that is a mouth full, I would say free practice on Friday then Saturday give the guys an hour to setup a best lap for the race grid, simple. But I guess everything is geared towards viewership these days.

It is never that simple.  They have the three FP sessions to use to test different setups, tire combos, etc.  They need the time as the bikes and riders have changed since the previous time they were there.  It would also be unfair to just take the fastest times from any one, or a combined time of the FP sessions to decide grid positions as conditions such as track temperature, etc. change to much over such a long period of time. 

For this reason they usually had three FP session and a qualifying session of 1 hour.  This became boring as the riders used 45 minutes for further setups and practise, then did their flying laps in the last 15 minutes, so the Q1 and Q2 system was implimeted.  Because this took tracktime away, they implimeted a shorter FP4 session, for the MotoGP class only.  This is certainly much better for viewer ratings, but also more fair as there are less chance of a rider being impacted positively, or negatively by the environment such as rain, wind and so on. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on May 02, 2021, 09:55:32 am
I predict BB for podium today
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 02, 2021, 11:16:28 am
I predict BB for podium today
Inclined to agree. He had a crappy Q2, but at least made it there. Holding both my thumbs.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 02, 2021, 12:00:02 pm
FAaaark DB was taken out in the last corner while in 4th - was a sitting duck  :dousing: msp  >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 02, 2021, 12:28:19 pm
FAaaark DB was taken out in the last corner while in 4th - was a sitting duck  :dousing: msp  >:(
Yeah what a kak one, there was fuckall he could do. >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 02, 2021, 01:29:51 pm
FAaaark DB was taken out in the last corner while in 4th - was a sitting duck  :dousing: msp  >:(
Yeah what a kak one, there was fuckall he could do. >:(

DB needs to give Uncool a PK behind the bicycle shed at big break.  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 02, 2021, 03:02:22 pm
I think thi is a weekend both Binders would like to forget.  :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2021, 03:17:47 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 02, 2021, 03:46:41 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please?

Ja commentators curse!  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on May 02, 2021, 04:26:13 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please?

Jissus tog. Just as hot headed red mist as last year. Did not learn a thing.  Ok klaar met predictions
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2021, 07:04:57 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please?

Jissus tog. Just as hot headed red mist as last year. Did not learn a thing.  Ok klaar met predictions

No more praying, nor riding capabiliy critiques either.  Pretty please!?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: KiLRoy on May 02, 2021, 09:20:09 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please?

Jissus tog. Just as hot headed red mist as last year. Did not learn a thing.  Ok klaar met predictions

No more praying, nor riding capabiliy critiques either.  Pretty please!?

Nou wie gaan vir jou se jy ry soos n pohes?  As for prayingÖ depends which god?  BB nearly caught Oupa at the end after his crash :imaposer:  next raceÖmy money is on BagnaiaÖmy prediction
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2021, 09:27:57 pm
I predict BB for podium today

Please!  No more predictions!  Pretty please?

Jissus tog. Just as hot headed red mist as last year. Did not learn a thing.  Ok klaar met predictions

No more praying, nor riding capabiliy critiques either.  Pretty please!?

Nou wie gaan vir jou se jy ry soos n pohes?  As for prayingÖ depends which god?  BB nearly caught Oupa at the end after his crash :imaposer:  next raceÖmy money is on BagnaiaÖmy prediction

Jy kan maar vir my sÍ ek ry soos 'n  pohes.  Dit dra, nes jou krit van enige GP-ryer, geen waarde nie want jy het my nog nooit sien ry nie.  Dit sal jou natuurlik nie keer nie.  As for praying, I thought you did mention a god. 

You make a lot of predictions.  Why not join the Wild Dogs Superbru group and predict like a real Wild Dog? 

Bagnaia is a good call, although two weeks in advance is a tad voor op die wa.  The kid was trained by Oupa, therefore he is good.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 02, 2021, 09:37:02 pm
It seems the rider who will break all the MM93 records as MM93 are moving along breaking all the VR46 records has arrived.  How is this young 16 year old piepiejoller, Pedro Acosta!  He looks like he just arrived from Planet Crypton a few months ago.  Check out thsi career.

Rode in various national and regional championships in Spain with mixed results.  Then:

World Jumior Motor3 Championship:
2018: 33rd
2019: 16th
2020: 3rd

Red Bull Rookies Cup:
2019: 2nd
2020: 1st

Moto3 World Championship:
2021:
Qatar 1: 2nd
Qatar 2: 1st
Portimao: 1st
Jerez: 1st

First rider ever to do 4 podiums in a row in the history of world championship racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 03, 2021, 06:17:07 am
It seems the rider who will break all the MM93 records as MM93 are moving along breaking all the VR46 records has arrived.  How is this young 16 year old piepiejoller, Pedro Acosta!  He looks like he just arrived from Planet Crypton a few months ago.  Check out thsi career.

Rode in various national and regional championships in Spain with mixed results.  Then:

World Jumior Motor3 Championship:
2018: 33rd
2019: 16th
2020: 3rd

Red Bull Rookies Cup:
2019: 2nd
2020: 1st

Moto3 World Championship:
2021:
Qatar 1: 2nd
Qatar 2: 1st
Portimao: 1st
Jerez: 1st

First rider ever to do 4 podiums in a row in the history of world championship racing.
Ja nee, I saw this. This oukie is going places.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BliknÍrs on May 03, 2021, 06:27:25 am
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 03, 2021, 06:51:45 am
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Arm pump. Pain was to much to brake and accelerate properly.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rooies on May 03, 2021, 09:49:16 am
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Arm pump. Pain was to much to brake and accelerate properly.

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https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-lost-after-jerez-motogp-arm-problem/6501217/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2021, 11:17:20 am
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Arm pump. Pain was to much to brake and accelerate properly.

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A few weeks ago, it was Jack Miller.  I said here that I wonder why this seems to be an increasing issue in the modern era.  These guys are superfit and should not suffer severe armpump.  Yet, they have been the past few years.  I wonder what is causing it?  Brakes that stop the bikes with such force that they develop armpump maybe?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 03, 2021, 11:27:23 am
Also, what the hell is going on with KTM?!
They're nowhere and having the kakkest season thus far. Team standings are shocking.
Yesterday again, only just filling some of the last points scoring spots.

I expected more. In Qatar it was the front tyre and race surface... what is now?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on May 03, 2021, 11:31:39 am
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Arm pump. Pain was to much to brake and accelerate properly.

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A few weeks ago, it was Jack Miller.  I said here that I wonder why this seems to be an increasing issue in the modern era.  These guys are superfit and should not suffer severe armpump.  Yet, they have been the past few years.  I wonder what is causing it?  Brakes that stop the bikes with such force that they develop armpump maybe?

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/motogp-bike-changes-causing-arm-issues-suggest-marquez-and-rossi-5005505/5005505/ This is an old article from back in 2015.

I remember the firs time I heard of a moto gp rider getting armpump was Casey Stoner. Could never remember the older guys getting it. Aliens have an Achilles heel.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2021, 11:44:57 am
Also, what the hell is going on with KTM?!
They're nowhere and having the kakkest season thus far. Team standings are shocking.
Yesterday again, only just filling some of the last points scoring spots.

I expected more. In Qatar it was the front tyre and race surface... what is now?

I wonder if they have again bitten off more than they can chew.

They are directly sponsoring 2 teams (KTM Ajo - with help from Red Bull and KTM Tech3 - with help from Red Bull), 4 KTM bikes in Moto3 and are currently 1, 5, 7 and 23 in the championship.
They are directly sponsoring 1 team in Moto2 (KTM Ajo - with help from Red Bull), 2 Kalex bikes and are currently 1 and 3 in the championship.
Then, of course the 4 bikes in MotoGP.  The two Red Bull factory bikes and the two Tech 3 bikes which have lost their Red Bull sponsorship, so 100% sponsored by KTM.

The dialing down of the Red Bull sponsorship is costing KTM lots of money and maybe the MotoGP team is feeling it somewhat?  I don't know, just wondering as they do not seem nearly as well dialed in as they were last year.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2021, 01:40:08 pm
How much did MotoGP change from 2020 to 2021.  Keep in mind, no engine development allowed.

Last year VR46 finished the race in a time of 41m28,212s.  It was good for 3rd place, 5,5s behind the winner.
This year VR46 finished the race in a time of 41m28,333s.  Almost identical to last year.  This was only good for 17th place, 22,7s behind the winner.

Same track, same time of year, same number of laps.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/977110/1/valentino-rossi-everything-changes-quickly-motogp
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 03, 2021, 01:49:06 pm
Do we know why Fabio imploded?
Must be a story there?
Arm pump. Pain was to much to brake and accelerate properly.

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A few weeks ago, it was Jack Miller.  I said here that I wonder why this seems to be an increasing issue in the modern era.  These guys are superfit and should not suffer severe armpump.  Yet, they have been the past few years.  I wonder what is causing it?  Brakes that stop the bikes with such force that they develop armpump maybe?

It is not a fitness issue and there is still a lot unknown about the affliction. Some actually say that too much arm work in the gym aggravates it. The MX and enduro guys also suffer the same fate at times. A properly debilitating pain. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 03, 2021, 01:57:27 pm
How much did MotoGP change from 2020 to 2021.  Keep in mind, no engine development allowed.

Last year VR46 finished the race in a time of 41m28,212s.  It was good for 3rd place, 5,5s behind the winner.
This year VR46 finished the race in a time of 41m28,333s.  Almost identical to last year.  This was only good for 17th place, 22,7s behind the winner.

Same track, same time of year, same number of laps.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/977110/1/valentino-rossi-everything-changes-quickly-motogp

This is incredible.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 03, 2021, 03:10:36 pm
I am starting to wonder what happened to the guys that set up the KTM for the rookie Motogp win last year...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 03, 2021, 03:35:34 pm
I am starting to wonder what happened to the guys that set up the KTM for the rookie Motogp win last year...

There were some moves at the end of the 2020 season, but I doubt it would have had a negative impact.

Lecuona kept his Crew Chief.
Brad's Crew Chief of 2020 was moved to be Petrucci's Crew Chief.
Brad's new Crew Chief moved up from Aki Ajo's Moto2 team.  He was Brad's Crew Chief during his Moto2 career.
Oliviera got Espargaro's Crew Chief.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 04, 2021, 02:07:54 pm
A full day of testing at Jerez yesterday.  Nice weather so most riders did lots of laps.  MV the most at 101, or 4 times race distance. 

Yamaha Factory:
MVinales was fastest on the day.  If there was a World Title for testing, MV would be the man.
FQuartararo missed out as he is being operated on for armpump.

Yamaha Petronas:
FMorbidelli 9th
VR 12th

Suzuki Factory:
ARins 2nd
JMir 3rd

Honda Factory:
MM only did 93 laps, then stopped as he was still sore from the almighty crash he suffered Saturday during FP3.
PEspargaro 6th

Honda LCR:
TNakagami 4th and fastest Honda on the day.  I wonder if he still used the 2020 bike as he did in th erace the previous day.
AMarquez 15th

Ducati Factory:
JMiller 17th
FBagnaia 10th

Ducati Pramac:
JZarco 5th
TRabat 20th

Ducati Avintia:
EBastianini 13th

Ducati SkyVR46:
LMarini 8th

Aprilia Grisini:
AEspargaro 14th
LSavadori 21st

KTM Factory:
MOliviera 7th
BBinder 11th

KTM Tech 3:
DPetrucci 19th
ILekuona 17th

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 06, 2021, 07:19:01 pm
I read on crash.net that Brad was very happy with the progress made with the soft tyre. Small changes in the front suspension made a big difference.

I love his sense of humour in post race interview.
" The only thing I did consistently in the race was crash"


https://www.crash.net/motogp/news/977165/1/jerez-motogp-test-brad-binder-whatever-it-was-it-worked-great


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 07, 2021, 10:20:03 am
He does have a great sense of humour and is known, like Darryn, for saying it as they see it.  He crashed.  His fault.  There were contributing factors, but he screwed up and he is happy to admit to that.  I believe it is also what makes them favourites with the press over there.

If I am understanding their issues with the tyres is that the sidewalls are too soft, so they deform too much under the typical hard braking, while already cornering as some riders, like Brad do.  I really hope KTM get this sorted, or we will see a valuable season for Brad go down the tubes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 10, 2021, 08:19:06 am
Dovi and Aprilia back in the news again, I wonder if we will see him on one in a race in 2021. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 10, 2021, 10:57:32 am
Dovi and Aprilia back in the news again, I wonder if we will see him on one in a race in 2021.

I think it is a forgone conclussion.  Salvadori is not shaping at all and there is a very good chance that there will be 4 Aprilis on the grid from 2021 onward.  One team full factory and a satelite team run by Gresini who runs the current team, or possibly even VR46, but going by the rumour mill, there are quite a few options floating around.

Fausto Gresini, prior to his passing, expressed the wish to be an independent team again.  His wife, now CEO of Gresini Racing did indicate she would like to make that wish happen.  Aprilia have already indicated they will field a full factory team.  This technically leaves Gresini without bikes, unless they and Aprilia agree to them being the Aprilia satelite team.  Rumours also indicate Gresini is also talking to Ducati to take over the bikes from the Avintia team who is closing down.

It seems VR46 will take the Avintia grid spots, but no word on the bikes.  Obviously, if VR46 take over the Avintia Ducatis, Gresini won't which leaves Aprilia or maybe Suzuki.  VR46 could do Suzuki, but they have been very quiet about a future satelite team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 13, 2021, 12:44:32 pm
How would the modern day riders (the only rider currently on th egrid to have ridden a 500cc two-stroke is VR46) fare on such a 500 smoker?

Here are the views from 4 of the younger riders in MotoGP.  Interesting read and I personally love the suggestion that they have a once-off race on 500cc 2-strokes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/977653/1/brutal-physical-more-riding-talent-marquez-rins-mir-talk-500cc
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 13, 2021, 09:04:16 pm
How would the modern day riders (the only rider currently on th egrid to have ridden a 500cc two-stroke is VR46) fare on such a 500 smoker?

Here are the views from 4 of the younger riders in MotoGP.  Interesting read and I personally love the suggestion that they have a once-off race on 500cc 2-strokes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/977653/1/brutal-physical-more-riding-talent-marquez-rins-mir-talk-500cc

The new riders will take time to adapt, but they will eventually be as quick on old 500 strokers as the Rossi gang used to be. Talent is talent.

I would of course vote for 1000cc V-4 two-strokes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on May 14, 2021, 07:16:16 am
How would the modern day riders (the only rider currently on th egrid to have ridden a 500cc two-stroke is VR46) fare on such a 500 smoker?

Here are the views from 4 of the younger riders in MotoGP.  Interesting read and I personally love the suggestion that they have a once-off race on 500cc 2-strokes.

https://www.crash.net/motogp/feature/977653/1/brutal-physical-more-riding-talent-marquez-rins-mir-talk-500cc


I think # 93 et al will high-side themselves into orbit.........
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2021, 07:35:41 am
MM93 will still be fastest off course
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: edgy on May 14, 2021, 07:40:13 am
MM93 will still be fastest off course
Off course or of course?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2021, 07:45:31 am
MM93 will still be fastest off course
Off course or of course?
Wherever he rides  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 14, 2021, 09:51:07 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 14, 2021, 10:19:30 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

I am sitting with  a Superbru conundrum. I'm thinking of just putting all the numbers in a hat and pulling out 10 and enter them in that order. Same for pole and fastest lap  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on May 14, 2021, 10:40:16 am
FP1
1 Mil
2 Zar
3 Mir
4 P Esp
5 M Mar
6 Sav
7 Bag
8 Oli
9 Rin
10 A Esp
11 A Mar
12 Vin
13 Mor
14 Ros
15 Nak
16 Qua
17 Lec
18 Bin
19 Pet
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 14, 2021, 10:51:53 am
Jackass got lucky and got a fast lap in on slicks before the rain came. All the other guys who set times were in wet .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: facmp on May 14, 2021, 10:52:42 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.
you would think with KTM's off road experience that they would be the best in wet conditions......
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 14, 2021, 02:08:49 pm
Darryn P2 in FP2
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 14, 2021, 07:34:36 pm
FP2, these guys spend more time in the kitty litter than on track  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 15, 2021, 05:59:48 pm
Hopefully no arm pump issues for Fabio tomorrow at his home GP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 15, 2021, 07:00:57 pm
I think the condition of the track will play a bigger factor. If its wet MM93 or Jackass. If its dry Fab20. If its wet and dry MM93. Lets see.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2021, 03:39:53 pm
I have asked Hamas to direct some rocketry to Bologna, more specific directly on the Duke shed.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 16, 2021, 03:50:22 pm
Watched the MotoE race now, love the sound. Brings memories of star wars movies. I was just waiting for the pew pew pew to come in as well :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 16, 2021, 03:53:20 pm
Watched the MotoE race now, love the sound. Brings memories of star wars movies. I was just waiting for the pew pew pew to come in as well :imaposer:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: with light sabres and all.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on May 16, 2021, 05:39:51 pm
I think the condition of the track will play a bigger factor. If its wet MM93 or Jackass. If its dry Fab20. If its wet and dry MM93. Lets see.

In hindsight ................... a good call  :thumleft:

Of course, on Superbru, I went for the Suzukis and Yamahas to perform well. A useless choice perhaps but at least I've stopped choosing Brad and the other KTMs.

Had Zarco for the win, though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 16, 2021, 05:50:44 pm
Also had Zarco for the win. 

Herewith my after the race comments and thoughts of the Le Mans races.

Fok.  Thats all.

MM93 will still be fastest off course

Of course, he will be fastest off course.   :lol8:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 16, 2021, 08:09:08 pm
fok - ditto ditto  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 16, 2021, 08:31:21 pm
Only watched the highlights now, MM in the lead for a while. He can smell the victories again, only a matter of time  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 16, 2021, 08:41:18 pm
I had him for the win on my superbru and started counting my points after they switched bikes . I must have jinks him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on May 17, 2021, 08:55:19 am
MM93 is his own worst enemy.
There was no need to push that hard.
Amazing skills, with a lack of common sense.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 17, 2021, 09:16:05 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Serf on May 17, 2021, 09:30:08 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....
BB33 is still the best placed KTM rider at the moment.

Really hope his luck turns and he score some big points.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2021, 10:52:05 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....
BB33 is still the best placed KTM rider at the moment.

Really hope his luck turns and he score some big points.

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Indeed - hardly consistently beaten by the others! He has seen off MO a good number of times already and imho is a better rider with a better head too and less ego.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2021, 11:01:58 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....

Brad is actually consistently, the best KTM rider at present.  There is only one measure of success, championship points.

BB: 24
Petrux: 16
MO: 9
IL: 8


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 17, 2021, 11:08:51 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....

Brad is actually consistently, the best KTM rider at present.  There is only one measure of success, championship points.

BB: 24
Petrux: 16
MO: 9
IL: 8

I understand the sentiment, but shame if those numbers constitute success.
Yes BB scored more points, but he is consistently slower than the others. It's a problem.
I'm not sure if being the highest placed of 4 low placed KTM riders at the end of 2021 will secure you a ride next year. And even less chance of a ride with another brand....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2021, 11:21:38 am
Man, I'm excited it's race weekend. But damn, the wet and cold weather is putting a serious dampner on my expectations of KTM.
They say in racing adverse weather is a great leveler, but I guess not in KTM's case.

Ja so we know KTM is struggling. But I'm also concerned that BB gets consistently beaten by the other KTM riders, be it FP, quali or race. Not good.
Yes MO DNF'd and yes Petrucci is no slouch in those conditions.

Must admit, damn those guys can ride in very shitty conditions.

Next up Mugello.... the Duke riders must be grinning....

Brad is actually consistently, the best KTM rider at present.  There is only one measure of success, championship points.

BB: 24
Petrux: 16
MO: 9
IL: 8

I understand the sentiment, but shame if those numbers constitute success.
Yes BB scored more points, but he is consistently slower than the others. It's a problem.
I'm not sure if being the highest placed of 4 low placed KTM riders at the end of 2021 will secure you a ride next year. And even less chance of a ride with another brand....

Those numbers indicate that Brad is the best of the four KTM riders.  In other words, to help with the perception that he is consistently beaten by the other KTM riders.  It constitutes success as a current KTM rider, but of course overall in the championship, not so much. 

The rider hunters for teams look at way more than just where a rider is finishing.  They will know exactly how good, or bad a bike is and then look at how a rider performs on that bike.  Pol Espargaro got the factory Honda ride from being the best slow KTM rider.  There is no reason why Brad could not.  They will also look at points made by other riders.  Pol Espargaro on a factory Honda is only 1 point ahead of Brad.  Alex Rins on a factory Suzuki is 1 point behind Brad.

They also look at how easy, or difficult it would be to work with a rider.  Brad is well known to be a hard worker who calls a spade a spade and is happy to take the blame if he screwed up, rather than blame the bike, or mechanics, or team management.  He will, in general be in high demand.  The issue is, there are no bikes readily available at present. 

The good factory rides (Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, Ducati) are all taken for 2022.
Solid Satellite teams rides (Petronas Yamaha, LCR Honda, Pramac Ducati) are pretty much taken for 2022.  (If Rossi retires, one Petronas bike will be available.  This will be a great ride for Brad, but will Petronas look outside Malaysia?  Maybe, but who knows.)
The VR46 team will be new next year adding two bikes, but it is highly unlikely that they will employ a rider not from the VR46 Academy.
There is a good chance that there will be 4 Aprilias next year.  This will provide 2 bikes without riders, but I don't see a move from KTM to Aprilia as useful for Brad. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2021, 12:46:02 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on May 17, 2021, 12:52:49 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Is development team a new word for a team that does not get out of the starting blocks!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 17, 2021, 12:53:19 pm
Ok, let me subscribe here!

Started reading a few pages ago, some good insight so far. 

As for Saturdays result, think BB33 still did great with his 13th seeing as its the first time he had to swop out his GP bike for a "wetbike".

Im wondering if he's not trying a bit too hard to stay on the bike (which is never a bad thing) costing him time (and being extra cautious in the wet).  But regardless of that im sure he will get things dialed in and fight in for 5-10 where the KTM has proven it can be!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2021, 12:58:10 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Is development team a new word for a team that does not get out of the starting blocks!

Look it up - they were given development concessions. And BTW KTM is way out the starting blocks.  ???
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 17, 2021, 12:59:14 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 17, 2021, 01:00:12 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Is development team a new word for a team that does not get out of the starting blocks!

Look it up - they were given development concessions. And BTW KTM is way out the starting blocks.  ???

I believe those concessions have now expired for them.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 17, 2021, 01:35:29 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Is development team a new word for a team that does not get out of the starting blocks!

Look it up - they were given development concessions. And BTW KTM is way out the starting blocks.  ???

I believe those concessions have now expired for them.

Not entirely - they still have a concession to develop engines ... it did have a few teams whining at the start of the season while kakking themselves with rumours of a  KTM 'super engine' on its way.  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2021, 01:57:23 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Is development team a new word for a team that does not get out of the starting blocks!

No, it is a team with special concessions as was the case with KTM until the start of this season and still is the case with Aprilia.  If Alex Marquez did not get that podium last year, Honda would have become a concession team for this year.

 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 17, 2021, 02:04:12 pm
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

I think Brad should do better, but we don't know how well they are able to setup the bike for him.  Lets go back two years.  KTM gave him a crappy Moto 2 bike and he struggled for half the season.  Halfway through the season he was 7th or 8th in the championship with Alex Marquez in an unasailable lead.  Then, after the summer break, KTM came back with a different chassis and Brad finished the season 2nd in the championship, only 3 points behind Alex Marquez.  The same rider.  The same competition.  A different chassis.  Lets hope, whatever is causing Brad to struggle is sorted.  If he lacks form (I doubt it), I hope he sorts it.  If the bike, I hope KTM get it sorted.  Whatever, needs sorting, I hope it happens rather rapidly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rooikoos on May 17, 2021, 06:26:55 pm
 :)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 17, 2021, 08:46:41 pm
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on May 18, 2021, 06:37:53 am
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on May 18, 2021, 09:16:05 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 18, 2021, 09:48:14 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

Thanks Rob, but I was referring to BB's older race number and merchandise.....
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 18, 2021, 09:52:36 am
Now Moto News reports that Corsedimoto reports Sky VR46, or Aramco VR46 for 2022 has signed with Ducati.


Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on May 18, 2021, 10:23:54 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

Thanks Rob, but I was referring to BB's older race number and merchandise.....

Correct you are bud! When they raced with us as laaities we all had the same number to support the one and only Nitro Nori  :thumleft:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 11:02:50 am
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 11:05:15 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

Thanks Rob, but I was referring to BB's older race number and merchandise.....

Correct you are bud! When they raced with us as laaities we all had the same number to support the one and only Nitro Nori  :thumleft:

Which of you clever dudes know what year he was BB14?   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 11:31:57 am
Now Moto News reports that Corsedimoto reports Sky VR46, or Aramco VR46 for 2022 has signed with Ducati.

Moto News are excellent at rumours and shockingly accurate as well.  They must have an excellent ear on the ground.  The actual announcements are expected at Mugello at end May.

So, it seems:

- VR46 will be a Ducati team.  I was hoping for Suzuki.  Being the third team for Ducati (or any manufacturer) will always be a struggle. 
- Petronas will remain a Yamaha team.  There were some serious rumours that VR46 will take over the Yamaha satellite spot at one time.  I hope they can buy Morbidelli a factory ride.

Who will Grisini Racing go with?  Aprilia satellite or Suzuki satellite?  Neither manufacturers have indicated for sure that they will have a satellite team, but it sounds like Aprilia will, but Suzuki not yet.

I have heard Remy Gardner signed with KTM for 2022.  No news whether Factory or Tech 3 though.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobD on May 18, 2021, 11:43:09 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

Thanks Rob, but I was referring to BB's older race number and merchandise.....

Correct you are bud! When they raced with us as laaities we all had the same number to support the one and only Nitro Nori  :thumleft:

Which of you clever dudes know what year he was BB14?   ;)


The year he was dyslexic ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 11:48:17 am
Spot on summary.  :thumleft:

Bud - park the pessimistic BB sentiments for a while. This is only his second season in MotoGP and essentially in a development team. He needs all the support he can get and will certainly make us all proud ... again.  ::)  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

Far from pessimistic, just critical/worried. I have my #41 #40 and #33 shirts and wear them proudly. I'm discussing the fact that there seems to be some form problems.

Also, KTM is not a development team anymore.

Thanks Rob, but I was referring to BB's older race number and merchandise.....

Correct you are bud! When they raced with us as laaities we all had the same number to support the one and only Nitro Nori  :thumleft:

Which of you clever dudes know what year he was BB14?   ;)


The year he was dyslexic ?

 :laughing4: :laughing4:

First year in the 125cc class in 2011, riding an Aprilia for RW Racing GP he was #14.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 18, 2021, 12:17:52 pm
Now Moto News reports that Corsedimoto reports Sky VR46, or Aramco VR46 for 2022 has signed with Ducati.

Moto News are excellent at rumours and shockingly accurate as well.  They must have an excellent ear on the ground.  The actual announcements are expected at Mugello at end May.

So, it seems:

- VR46 will be a Ducati team.  I was hoping for Suzuki.  Being the third team for Ducati (or any manufacturer) will always be a struggle. 
- Petronas will remain a Yamaha team.  There were some serious rumours that VR46 will take over the Yamaha satellite spot at one time.  I hope they can buy Morbidelli a factory ride.

Who will Grisini Racing go with?  Aprilia satellite or Suzuki satellite?  Neither manufacturers have indicated for sure that they will have a satellite team, but it sounds like Aprilia will, but Suzuki not yet.

So I see this has now been confirmed.
Aramco VR46 with Ducati and Marini for 2022.
Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 12:30:35 pm
Now Moto News reports that Corsedimoto reports Sky VR46, or Aramco VR46 for 2022 has signed with Ducati.

Moto News are excellent at rumours and shockingly accurate as well.  They must have an excellent ear on the ground.  The actual announcements are expected at Mugello at end May.

So, it seems:

- VR46 will be a Ducati team.  I was hoping for Suzuki.  Being the third team for Ducati (or any manufacturer) will always be a struggle. 
- Petronas will remain a Yamaha team.  There were some serious rumours that VR46 will take over the Yamaha satellite spot at one time.  I hope they can buy Morbidelli a factory ride.

Who will Grisini Racing go with?  Aprilia satellite or Suzuki satellite?  Neither manufacturers have indicated for sure that they will have a satellite team, but it sounds like Aprilia will, but Suzuki not yet.

So I see this has now been confirmed.
Aramco VR46 with Ducati and Marini for 2022.
Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.

Thanks.  Basically, the current Avintia / Esponsorama Ducati team will become the AramcoVR46 team (some sort of a buy out deal since Avintia is basically bankcrupt) which is not neccesarily a bad thing because a new team require much, much more than 2 bikes and 2 riders, like a 10mm and 13mm spanner. 

It also makes sense for Marini to stay as he is a VR46 Academy rider and already there.  I wonder who will be the 2nd rider?  The current Enea Bastianini, a VR46 Academy youngster from Moto2 like Vietti or Bezzechi or the old fart bossman himself?

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 18, 2021, 02:27:59 pm
I was wondering if he would give himself a ride whilst canvasing for youngsters however his season has been far from ideal so far.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 18, 2021, 02:36:47 pm
I was wondering if he would give himself a ride whilst canvasing for youngsters however his season has been far from ideal so far.

Janee.  His season has been terrible.  Aparantly he will decide on riding next year or not during the summer break.  It may be good for the team in terms of media coverage, further sponsorships, etc. if he rode with them for 1 year.

He wouldn't have to canvas for a talented youngster though.  He's got them lined up thanks to the VR46 Academy.  The question is only which one will be the best for the team.  Enea Bastianini currently partnering with Marini was Moto 2 champion last year.  Marini was 2nd.  I would keep Bastianini or go Bezzechi as he has partnered with Luca Marini in Moto 2 when the two came 2nd and 4th in the world championship.  They worked well together throughout the season and Bezzechi is currently 3rd in the Moto 2 championship..
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Avontier on May 18, 2021, 02:42:44 pm

Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.
resigned or re-signed?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 18, 2021, 02:58:47 pm

Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.
resigned or re-signed?

Signed again  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 18, 2021, 03:36:29 pm

Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.
resigned or re-signed?

Signed again  :lol8:
Great more pre race hysterics, shaking arms and banging helmets
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 18, 2021, 04:39:45 pm

Miller resigned with Ducati Factory for 2022.
resigned or re-signed?

Signed again  :lol8:
Great more pre race hysterics, shaking arms and banging helmets

... and champas and toe jam downed out a boot  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 18, 2021, 07:59:15 pm
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:

Rossi is simply past his sell-by date.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 19, 2021, 08:32:34 am
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:

Rossi is simply past his sell-by date.

Depends what you're selling I guess...

Race wins... no.
Fan following, social media hits and revenue generation... yes.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 19, 2021, 09:17:55 am
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:

Rossi is simply past his sell-by date.

Depends what you're selling I guess...

Race wins... no.
Fan following, social media hits and revenue generation... yes.

Keep refrigerated after opening  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 19, 2021, 01:08:12 pm
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:

Rossi is simply past his sell-by date.

Depends what you're selling I guess...

Race wins... no.
Fan following, social media hits and revenue generation... yes.

Keep refrigerated after opening  :imaposer:

Yes, Valentino is still very cool.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 19, 2021, 01:45:27 pm
BB is good, and it's nice to see how patriotic we can still be when it's a frowned-upon sentiment in a woke world :thumleft:

BUT....BB is racing in MotoGp and i judge him by the best, and he is off the pace, regardless that he's the points leader in the KTM pit. Or he's on the wrong brand.

Well said!

You are 100% correct Danie, but judging any sport only by the winners, you do loose out on a lot of interesting intrigue and information.  Obviously, everyone is not seriously enough into a sport to want to know all the small detail intrigue and information, etc. and that is to be expected. 

I have to say, I am a tad surprised in this comment of yours as it seems directly opposite to your past statements on Rossi.   :eek7:

Rossi is simply past his sell-by date.

Depends what you're selling I guess...

Race wins... no.
Fan following, social media hits and revenue generation... yes.

Keep refrigerated after opening  :imaposer:

Yes, Valentino is still very cool.

... and his girlfriend is far from frigid  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 19, 2021, 01:57:36 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2021, 02:46:59 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 19, 2021, 02:54:47 pm
So we have a MM fan  :thumleft:

I was not only referring to the back to back wins but they are competitive again.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 19, 2021, 03:36:59 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 19, 2021, 03:39:58 pm
So we have a MM fan  :thumleft:

I was not only referring to the back to back wins but they are competitive again.

Amazing what a good shaking of the cage will do.  Replace riders and viola!

Personally, I think Jack brought most of the difference.  Other riders have said for awhile that Jack makes the Ducati turn like a Yamaha.  As kingpin in the factory Ducati team now, perhaps they are listening to him.  Then again, they now have a group of younger, very hungry riders.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2021, 03:41:20 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Did Miller not also have two race crashes so far ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 19, 2021, 04:33:40 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Did Miller not also have two race crashes so far ?

He did.  Not in the same race though.  You don't have to worry, MM93 is still the champ!   :lol8:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 19, 2021, 05:55:56 pm
And the starting grid is going to be painted Duke red next year flat out! :peepwall:  Will be the Ducati Cup 2022  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2021, 06:43:34 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Did Miller not also have two race crashes so far ?

He did.  Not in the same race though.  You don't have to worry, MM93 is still the champ!   :lol8:
I looked at the stats, in 2017/2018 MM crashed about twice as much as any other rider .... yet he still won the championship. What a phenomenon  :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on May 19, 2021, 06:55:44 pm
Crashed twice as much and won twice as much.

I still don't like him but I would like to see him win the next race ...................... just to say FU to all his critics.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 19, 2021, 07:08:58 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Did Miller not also have two race crashes so far ?

He did.  Not in the same race though.  You don't have to worry, MM93 is still the champ!   :lol8:
I looked at the stats, in 2017/2018 MM crashed about twice as much as any other rider .... yet he still won the championship. What a phenomenon  :deal:

Most of Marc's crashes were in the practice sessions and not in the races. That's where the difference comes  He crashes while setting the limits and in the race rides around the problems. Until that 2020 Jeres race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 19, 2021, 07:21:13 pm
Sal veel eerder op haar le as wat ek op sterwe le :deal:

Back to business.

Perhaps I missed it but what did Ducati change to be the pace maker all of a sudden?  And am I correct to say this happened late last season?
Luckily for Jackass MM fell of his bike

Indeed, as he has been prone to do.   >:D
Did Miller not also have two race crashes so far ?

He did.  Not in the same race though.  You don't have to worry, MM93 is still the champ!   :lol8:
I looked at the stats, in 2017/2018 MM crashed about twice as much as any other rider .... yet he still won the championship. What a phenomenon  :deal:

Most of Marc's crashes were in the practice sessions and not in the races. That's where the difference comes  He crashes while setting the limits and in the race rides around the problems. Until that 2020 Jeres race.

... and the 2021 Le Mans  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 19, 2021, 07:27:16 pm
MM's crashes cost him dearly. A season lost, perhaps the 2021 one too.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2021, 08:30:12 pm
2021 was always going to be a comeback year, still expect him to win a race or 2 but his main focus will be 2022
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 19, 2021, 08:31:53 pm
And the starting grid is going to be painted Duke red next year flat out! :peepwall:  Will be the Ducati Cup 2022  :imaposer:
Can think of nothing worse, will rather watch F1 then  :pot: Anyway MM will be 100% then so nothing to worry about, go HONDA SUZUKI YAMAHA !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 19, 2021, 08:36:36 pm
And the starting grid is going to be painted Duke red next year flat out! :peepwall:  Will be the Ducati Cup 2022  :imaposer:
Can think of nothing worse, will rather watch F1 then  :pot: Anyway MM will be 100% then so nothing to worry about, go HONDA SUZUKI YAMAHA !

Don't forget about my KTM and BB33 team. Hopefully they will be in the mix.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2021, 02:22:39 pm
Oi!  Dudes!  Who cares about MM93 and how often he crashed, or how many he saved.  Currently that is old news.  He won frequently, he crashed often, he was severely injured and lost at least 1,5 season, possibly two.  He may come back, or not. 

What is important is how many bloody Ducatis will we have to watch from 2022 onward as their bossdude reckons there may be 8.  Yes, eight (8).  No typo.  According to him they are in negotiations with both VR46 and Grisini to supply bikes.  I really hope this doesn't happen.It will be better for the sport if Suzuki and / or Aprilia enters a satellite team rather than Ducati having satellite teams of satellite teams.  Although he reckons 5 of the 8 bikes will be factory spec and 3 will be the previous year, I remember the last time they had 8 bikes.  Two were competitive, two were almost competitive and 4 were competitive in a bicycle race.  Who wants to watch 8 Ducatis take on 16 other bikes? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 20, 2021, 02:25:23 pm
Oi!  Dudes!  Who cares about MM93 and how often he crashed, or how many he saved.  Currently that is old news.  He won frequently, he crashed often, he was severely injured and lost at least 1,5 season, possibly two.  He may come back, or not. 

What is important is how many bloody Ducatis will we have to watch from 2022 onward as their bossdude reckons there may be 8.  Yes, eight (8).  No typo.  According to him they are in negotiations with both VR46 and Grisini to supply bikes.  I really hope this doesn't happen.It will be better for the sport if Suzuki and / or Aprilia enters a satellite team rather than Ducati having satellite teams of satellite teams.  Although he reckons 5 of the 8 bikes will be factory spec and 3 will be the previous year, I remember the last time they had 8 bikes.  Two were competitive, two were almost competitive and 4 were competitive in a bicycle race.  Who wants to watch 8 Ducatis take on 16 other bikes?
Not me
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 20, 2021, 02:50:47 pm
Oi!  Dudes!  Who cares about MM93 and how often he crashed, or how many he saved.  Currently that is old news.  He won frequently, he crashed often, he was severely injured and lost at least 1,5 season, possibly two.  He may come back, or not. 

What is important is how many bloody Ducatis will we have to watch from 2022 onward as their bossdude reckons there may be 8.  Yes, eight (8).  No typo.  According to him they are in negotiations with both VR46 and Grisini to supply bikes.  I really hope this doesn't happen.It will be better for the sport if Suzuki and / or Aprilia enters a satellite team rather than Ducati having satellite teams of satellite teams.  Although he reckons 5 of the 8 bikes will be factory spec and 3 will be the previous year, I remember the last time they had 8 bikes.  Two were competitive, two were almost competitive and 4 were competitive in a bicycle race.  Who wants to watch 8 Ducatis take on 16 other bikes?

I don't mind, so long as the racing is tight.
Who knows how the rules will change, other bikes will develop etc. So who knows what the competitive landscape will look like in 12 months...
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 20, 2021, 03:53:21 pm
Oi!  Dudes!  Who cares about MM93 and how often he crashed, or how many he saved.  Currently that is old news.  He won frequently, he crashed often, he was severely injured and lost at least 1,5 season, possibly two.  He may come back, or not. 

What is important is how many bloody Ducatis will we have to watch from 2022 onward as their bossdude reckons there may be 8.  Yes, eight (8).  No typo.  According to him they are in negotiations with both VR46 and Grisini to supply bikes.  I really hope this doesn't happen.It will be better for the sport if Suzuki and / or Aprilia enters a satellite team rather than Ducati having satellite teams of satellite teams.  Although he reckons 5 of the 8 bikes will be factory spec and 3 will be the previous year, I remember the last time they had 8 bikes.  Two were competitive, two were almost competitive and 4 were competitive in a bicycle race.  Who wants to watch 8 Ducatis take on 16 other bikes?

I don't mind, so long as the racing is tight.
Who knows how the rules will change, other bikes will develop etc. So who knows what the competitive landscape will look like in 12 months...

After my little rant I have to agree with you.  8 Ducatis or 4 will make no difference if racing is tight.  I would personally still prefer to see Suzuki or Aprilia or both enter satellite teams rather than extra Ducatis.  It really is time for Suzuki.  We can excuse Aprilia for another year or two.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 24, 2021, 10:36:20 am
So, is BB gonna closer to the top 10 for quali in ITA?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 24, 2021, 10:48:58 am
So, is BB gonna closer to the top 10 for quali in ITA?

Who knows...
Given the sweeping high speed corners at Mugello, I have my reservations.
Confidence in the front end will be key.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 24, 2021, 10:54:30 am
So, is BB gonna closer to the top 10 for quali in ITA?

Who knows...
Given the sweeping high speed corners at Mugello, I have my reservations.
Confidence in the front end will be key.

Janee.  Impossible to say.  Unless KTM pulls a rabit from a hat, I doubt it.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 24, 2021, 01:49:31 pm
I predict he will be on point.  :thumleft: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 24, 2021, 03:51:27 pm
Im wondering if the tyre limitations are not upsetting the KTM team plan.

Bad qualifying to save the good or other tyres for the race, so qualify on a bad tyre and use something else on race day?

The kid has immense amounts of talent, the bike has got several ponies so best that WP tech gets the clickers right for the tyres this weekend!  As much as I enjoy most forms of motorsport (not that billionaire go-kart kak) I support the Saffa regardless.  But i now finally understand how my father felt all those years supporting the Cheetahs year in year out with curry cup and super rugby and walked out on the same game 5 times.

C'mon binder boytjie, we rooting for you son! :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 24, 2021, 03:53:46 pm
In other predictions. . . . 

Red bike by a couple of bike lengths if MM93 has nothing to say about a dry track.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 24, 2021, 04:38:24 pm
Im wondering if the tyre limitations are not upsetting the KTM team plan.

Bad qualifying to save the good or other tyres for the race, so qualify on a bad tyre and use something else on race day?

The kid has immense amounts of talent, the bike has got several ponies so best that WP tech gets the clickers right for the tyres this weekend!  As much as I enjoy most forms of motorsport (not that billionaire go-kart kak) I support the Saffa regardless.  But i now finally understand how my father felt all those years supporting the Cheetahs year in year out with curry cup and super rugby and walked out on the same game 5 times.

C'mon binder boytjie, we rooting for you son! :thumleft:

They have enough tyres for race day.  Also, their fast laps in qualifying is on special qualifying tyres.  Will last three or four laps in a race. The problem with qualifying is if you do Q1 to get into Q2 you are a qualifying tyre short.  Silly really and unfair.  There was talk of allocating an extra tyre for those who go through Q1 to get to Q2, but that never happened.  The tyre issue for KTM and Honda is Michelin made the sidewall of the tyres softer this year and these bikes and their riders prefer a slightly harder sidewall.

You talk of walking out of the same game 5 times.  I supported Brad back when he was racing rookies cup.  Not bad.  He did reasonably well, then he moved to Moto 3.  The two or so years before he was noticed and got the KTM factory ride with Aki Ajo he raced a Mahindra and half a Honda.  That Honda was so crappy, his Dad would strip the suspension out of Darryn's SA championship Moto 3 Honda, fly over to where the race is in Europe and fit that to Brad's race bike.  At one point I wanted to sue the family for my blood pressure pill account!  ;) 

Binder boytjie?  Singular?  Sir!  Are you saying you do not support both brothers?  This is a disgrace to human kind.  MODS!  Where is my " NUKE THE BUGGAR"  button?   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 24, 2021, 05:00:54 pm
Im wondering if the tyre limitations are not upsetting the KTM team plan.

Bad qualifying to save the good or other tyres for the race, so qualify on a bad tyre and use something else on race day?

The kid has immense amounts of talent, the bike has got several ponies so best that WP tech gets the clickers right for the tyres this weekend!  As much as I enjoy most forms of motorsport (not that billionaire go-kart kak) I support the Saffa regardless.  But i now finally understand how my father felt all those years supporting the Cheetahs year in year out with curry cup and super rugby and walked out on the same game 5 times.

C'mon binder boytjie, we rooting for you son! :thumleft:

They have enough tyres for race day.  Also, their fast laps in qualifying is on special qualifying tyres.  Will last three or four laps in a race. The problem with qualifying is if you do Q1 to get into Q2 you are a qualifying tyre short.  Silly really and unfair.  There was talk of allocating an extra tyre for those who go through Q1 to get to Q2, but that never happened.  The tyre issue for KTM and Honda is Michelin made the sidewall of the tyres softer this year and these bikes and their riders prefer a slightly harder sidewall.

You talk of walking out of the same game 5 times.  I supported Brad back when he was racing rookies cup.  Not bad.  He did reasonably well, then he moved to Moto 3.  The two or so years before he was noticed and got the KTM factory ride with Aki Ajo he raced a Mahindra and half a Honda.  That Honda was so crappy, his Dad would strip the suspension out of Darryn's SA championship Moto 3 Honda, fly over to where the race is in Europe and fit that to Brad's race bike.  At one point I wanted to sue the family for my blood pressure pill account!  ;) 

Binder boytjie?  Singular?  Sir!  Are you saying you do not support both brothers?  This is a disgrace to human kind.  MODS!  Where is my " NUKE THE BUGGAR"  button?   :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

HAHA, yeah probably just lack of focus.

Ive not been following the other classes so in my limited scope its only the GP class, but I agree that young DB40 is making waves in his own pool thats for sure!

Ill take note of my grammar next time (vry dalk in engels maar ek pomp in Afrikaans :deal:)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 25, 2021, 02:33:22 pm
Im wondering if the tyre limitations are not upsetting the KTM team plan.

Bad qualifying to save the good or other tyres for the race, so qualify on a bad tyre and use something else on race day?

The kid has immense amounts of talent, the bike has got several ponies so best that WP tech gets the clickers right for the tyres this weekend!  As much as I enjoy most forms of motorsport (not that billionaire go-kart kak) I support the Saffa regardless.  But i now finally understand how my father felt all those years supporting the Cheetahs year in year out with curry cup and super rugby and walked out on the same game 5 times.

C'mon binder boytjie, we rooting for you son! :thumleft:

They have enough tyres for race day.  Also, their fast laps in qualifying is on special qualifying tyres.  Will last three or four laps in a race. The problem with qualifying is if you do Q1 to get into Q2 you are a qualifying tyre short.  Silly really and unfair.  There was talk of allocating an extra tyre for those who go through Q1 to get to Q2, but that never happened.  The tyre issue for KTM and Honda is Michelin made the sidewall of the tyres softer this year and these bikes and their riders prefer a slightly harder sidewall.

You talk of walking out of the same game 5 times.  I supported Brad back when he was racing rookies cup.  Not bad.  He did reasonably well, then he moved to Moto 3.  The two or so years before he was noticed and got the KTM factory ride with Aki Ajo he raced a Mahindra and half a Honda.  That Honda was so crappy, his Dad would strip the suspension out of Darryn's SA championship Moto 3 Honda, fly over to where the race is in Europe and fit that to Brad's race bike.  At one point I wanted to sue the family for my blood pressure pill account!  ;) 

Binder boytjie?  Singular?  Sir!  Are you saying you do not support both brothers?  This is a disgrace to human kind.  MODS!  Where is my " NUKE THE BUGGAR"  button?   :lol8:

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:

HAHA, yeah probably just lack of focus.

Ive not been following the other classes so in my limited scope its only the GP class, but I agree that young DB40 is making waves in his own pool thats for sure!

Ill take note of my grammar next time (vry dalk in engels maar ek pomp in Afrikaans :deal:)

Take some advice from an old fart who knows buggerall, but believes he knows it all.  Do not miss the Moto 3 race this weekend at Mugello.  With that very long straight it is slipstream city and there will be extremely good racing. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 25, 2021, 02:36:05 pm

Take some advice from an old fart who knows buggerall, but believes he knows it all.  Do not miss the Moto 3 race this weekend at Mugello.  With that very long straight it is slipstream city and there will be extremely good racing.

A number of truths in this statement... :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 25, 2021, 03:10:24 pm
We canned DSTV years ago so im off to the local pub to watch the racing and blomming there the entire Sunday is not my cuppa.

Im actually going riding on Sunday too, so will need to see if I even make it in time for the GP :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 25, 2021, 03:48:19 pm
So I see Steven Odendaal took a win in WSBK. I think I should start following that too.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/motoring/motorsport/history-made-south-african-racer-steven-odendaal-wins-in-spain/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: bud500 on May 25, 2021, 03:55:24 pm
So I see Steven Odendaal took a win in WSBK. I think I should start following that too.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/motoring/motorsport/history-made-south-african-racer-steven-odendaal-wins-in-spain/

2 wins.
We have a separate dedicated SBK thread.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 26, 2021, 04:56:45 pm
So I see Steven Odendaal took a win in WSBK. I think I should start following that too.

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/motoring/motorsport/history-made-south-african-racer-steven-odendaal-wins-in-spain/

Start following Steven Odendaal?  Focus dude!   >:D

http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=195378.msg3613239#msg3613239

Oh, and don't forget Dorren Loreiro in SSP300 just because he is not winning races yet!   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 28, 2021, 03:17:26 pm
Friday in Mugello

Moto 3: Darryn

FP 1 5th
FP2 1st.

MotoGP: Brad (apparently using a new chassis)

FP1 14th, 1.45 seconds off the top
FP2 5th, 0.28 seconds off the top.

Looks like decent weather for the weekend as well.

Here's hoping for a much better weekend for our 2 special young men.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on May 28, 2021, 03:41:45 pm
Also, Corsedimoto is reporting that KTM's option on Danilo Petrucci expires on Monday, and that they will not be renewing.

Instead it is expected that his replacement will be named very soon as Remy Gardner.

It been rumored so much it's almost old news.......

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 28, 2021, 04:58:39 pm
Friday in Mugello

Moto 3: Darryn

FP 1 5th
FP2 1st.

MotoGP: Brad (apparently using a new chassis)

FP1 14th, 1.45 seconds off the top
FP2 5th, 0.28 seconds off the top.

Looks like decent weather for the weekend as well.

Here's hoping for a much better weekend for our 2 special young men.

This new KTM chassis looks promising. Oli88 was running it in FP1 with Brad getting used to his first time on a MotoGP bike at Mugelo on the old one.
FP2 and Brad on the new chassis improves his time by over a second. I see that the KTM and Hondas are the only ones running the hard front tyre.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 28, 2021, 06:37:01 pm
Also, Corsedimoto is reporting that KTM's option on Danilo Petrucci expires on Monday, and that they will not be renewing.

Instead it is expected that his replacement will be named very soon as Remy Gardner.

It been rumored so much it's almost old news.......

I like Remy but I would go with Fernandez if I was KTM.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 28, 2021, 06:40:00 pm
Friday in Mugello

Moto 3: Darryn

FP 1 5th
FP2 1st.

MotoGP: Brad (apparently using a new chassis)

FP1 14th, 1.45 seconds off the top
FP2 5th, 0.28 seconds off the top.

Looks like decent weather for the weekend as well.

Here's hoping for a much better weekend for our 2 special young men.

This new KTM chassis looks promising. Oli88 was running it in FP1 with Brad getting used to his first time on a MotoGP bike at Mugelo on the old one.
FP2 and Brad on the new chassis improves his time by over a second. I see that the KTM and Hondas are the only ones running the hard front tyre.

Looks like that chassis is working much better. Hard to believe that Frankies bike is 20kph slower down the straight than the Dukes yet he still makes up the times in the twisties on a 2 year old vintage bike.  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 28, 2021, 09:20:44 pm
Darryn on combined times: 1st
Brad on combined times: 5th
Hope they keep it there for a pass into Q2.

Interesting to see that the KTMs (especially FP2) are right up there with the Ducatis in terms of top speed.  I did not see that coming.

Top speeds FP1:

J Zarco Ducati:  356,4
M Pirro Ducati: 354,0
J Miller Ducati: 352,9
F Bagnaia Ducati: 352,9
M Oliviera KTM:  352,9
D Petrucci KTM:  351,7
B Binder KTM:  351,7

FP2:

M Pirro Ducati: 357,6
M Oliviera KTM: 356,2
B Binder KTM: 355,2
J Miller Ducati: 355,2
F Bagnaia Ducati: 354,0
J Zarco Ducati: 352,9
A Rins Suzuki: 352,9




Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: DR BIG 750 on May 29, 2021, 06:59:57 am
I see the Suzuki has found some speed , lets see now
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 29, 2021, 11:19:41 am
BB33 3rd fastest in FP3 and through to Q2!  DB40 also through to Q2.

New Top Speed Record set.  362,4km/h by BB33, KTM.  Bliksem!

Then 5 bikes on exactly 357,6km/h.  Zarco - Ducati,  Espargaro - Aprilia, Miller - Ducati, Pirro - Ducati and Oliviera - KTM.
Fastest Suzuki: 352,9 Mir and 9th on the list.
Fastest Honda: 351,7 Espargaro.
Fastest Yamaha: 348,3 Quartararo

Clearly the new KTM frame and fuel is working a charm.
 
Riders through to Q2 list below.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2021, 12:18:22 pm
I predicted BB to come on song and looks to be on point. Here's hoping he keeps it rubberside down. Brilliant that the KTM has found top speed and the new chassis seems to pick up better coming out the corners. :thumleft: A stonker awaits us  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 29, 2021, 12:25:40 pm
I predicted BB to come on song and looks to be on point. Here's hoping he keeps it rubberside down. Brilliant that the KTM has found top speed and the new chassis seems to pick up better coming out the corners. :thumleft: A stonker awaits us  :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:

It is early days, but I have to admit, I did not see this coming.  I should have known.  We saw KTM do this in Moto 3 and Moto 2 in the past.  They do not like looking like fools and also rans.  Looking forward to an awesome race and regardless how it ends, at least the KTMs are in a position to compete now.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Amsterdam on May 29, 2021, 12:47:12 pm
It is certainly looking great so far.  And BB coming out of the pit so late in the session to set his fast lap shows that he is very confident.  Let's see how qualifying pans out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2021, 03:24:05 pm
MM such a desperate twat move on Vinales!  >:(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 29, 2021, 03:27:13 pm
Early days indeed.  BB mentioned in an interview that they are working on sometjing as they need to or ar trying to make the bike turn better mid corner when the coming off the gas.

Magtag this is exciting stuff indeed!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 29, 2021, 03:33:55 pm
Binder and Oli 6th and 7th just ahead of the Zook team :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2021, 04:39:53 pm
Binder and Oli 6th and 7th just ahead of the Zook team :ricky:

Shame BB was knocked off the front row after the flag - still he is up there and ahead of MO and showing great form.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 29, 2021, 04:52:35 pm
MM93 paying Brad the compliment of choosing him to follow and slipstream and then not being able to keep up. :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Amsterdam on May 29, 2021, 06:34:16 pm
MM such a desperate twat move on Vinales!  >:(

I disagree.  Riders follow each other all the time.  Maverick should just have gone out and done his business.  Silly to let yourself be freaked out by someone who is struggling a bit at the moment.

And I think it is time that race direction makes it clear to all involved that when you are out on track you must make haste.  This business of cruising around is dangerous and off putting to guys who are trying to do fast laps.  Maybe a few 3 grid position penalties will put an end to this soon.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 29, 2021, 06:46:26 pm
I agree. Just do what Brad did and ride away from him.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on May 29, 2021, 08:08:14 pm
Not MotoGp but 3 , let's hope Jason Dupasquier pulls through, Nasty nasty accident. From what I can tell he had his head ridden over.
We have seen this before and lost a great lower class champion and a possible GP champion .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 29, 2021, 08:21:52 pm
Yes. Lets hope he comes out ok. When I saw this happen I saw flashes of when Marco Simoncelli was involved in that fatal crash.

I really hope to see him race again.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2021, 08:36:17 pm
MM such a desperate twat move on Vinales!  >:(

I disagree.  Riders follow each other all the time.  Maverick should just have gone out and done his business.  Silly to let yourself be freaked out by someone who is struggling a bit at the moment.

And I think it is time that race direction makes it clear to all involved that when you are out on track you must make haste.  This business of cruising around is dangerous and off putting to guys who are trying to do fast laps.  Maybe a few 3 grid position penalties will put an end to this soon.

I know it is done and no rules against it - just not so doggedly and even through the pits  ::). Such a pathetic desperado move by MM and he certainly felt kak about it as he could not even look at the camera when back in the box and ducked away  :o. Look what happened to him in 2019 when he tried it with FQ. I agree that MV should have just rode away like Brad did. Too much nonsense in the premier class in qualifying imo.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/yamaha-slams-marquezs-not-fair-motogp-qualifying-tactics/6517841/?fbclid=IwAR2QM9P1k6fKSQtMWo6YJ_jpaqB7_0q6u0ngvB0XxKgn-E5YcLNy1rspsGY

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to-vinales/?fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQAhttps://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to vinales/fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQA
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 29, 2021, 08:38:07 pm
Not MotoGp but 3 , let's hope Jason Dupasquier pulls through, Nasty nasty accident. From what I can tell he had his head ridden over.
We have seen this before and lost a great lower class champion and a possible GP champion .

How could you tell he had his head ridden over?  ??? 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on May 29, 2021, 08:41:32 pm
I watched footage that is on line over and over, either that or upper torso to neck and head region .
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 29, 2021, 08:42:05 pm
I saw a slowmo video on youtube. Just searched moto 3 Mugello . I don't want to post a link. :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 29, 2021, 11:11:46 pm
The only news on Moto 3 rider, Jason Dupasquier as of 18:00 this evening is that his condition is very serious.

MM such a desperate twat move on Vinales!  >:(

I disagree.  Riders follow each other all the time.  Maverick should just have gone out and done his business.  Silly to let yourself be freaked out by someone who is struggling a bit at the moment.

And I think it is time that race direction makes it clear to all involved that when you are out on track you must make haste.  This business of cruising around is dangerous and off putting to guys who are trying to do fast laps.  Maybe a few 3 grid position penalties will put an end to this soon.

I know it is done and no rules against it - just not so doggedly and even through the pits  ::). Such a pathetic desperado move by MM and he certainly felt kak about it as he could not even look at the camera when back in the box and ducked away  :o. Look what happened to him in 2019 when he tried it with FQ. I agree that MV should have just rode away like Brad did. Too much nonsense in the premier class in qualifying imo.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/yamaha-slams-marquezs-not-fair-motogp-qualifying-tactics/6517841/?fbclid=IwAR2QM9P1k6fKSQtMWo6YJ_jpaqB7_0q6u0ngvB0XxKgn-E5YcLNy1rspsGY

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to-vinales/?fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQAhttps://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to vinales/fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQA

Riders do not follow each other all te time.  They slipstream in a race with the express purpose of overtaking at the end of the straight.  This following around lap after lap is the amateur move of a rider who knows he cannot qualify on his own.  Look at the company he kept.  Luca Marini (rookie), Valentino Rossi (old and not competitive at all).  This sort of dogged following is for club level riders, not world champions.  Perhaps there is a club for him to go ride in somewhere in Spain.  Yes, you could ride away like BB33 did (BB even said that he had hoped MM would return the favour and even sat up so MM could pass to allow BB to follow him - no such gentlemanly conduct), if your bike and you are fast enough.  Keep in mind, someone in you slipstream impacts on you as well.  Yes, it is miniscule, but in a sport measure to three decimals, it can be very frustrating, especially in a high stress situation like getting from Q1 to Q2. 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 30, 2021, 08:39:18 am
Not MotoGp but 3 , let's hope Jason Dupasquier pulls through, Nasty nasty accident. From what I can tell he had his head ridden over.
We have seen this before and lost a great lower class champion and a possible GP champion .

How could you tell he had his head ridden over?  ???
I couldn't deduce that from the video footage, looks like his bike was hit. But, some are reportign that he was indeed struck.

https://supersport.com/motorsport/motogp/news/210529_Swiss_Moto3_rider_Dupasquier_hit_by_bike_in_Mugello_crash
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Avontier on May 30, 2021, 08:46:59 am
MM just reminded me why I could never like him, despite him being one of the most talented riders ever.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2021, 11:55:55 am
Not MotoGp but 3 , let's hope Jason Dupasquier pulls through, Nasty nasty accident. From what I can tell he had his head ridden over.
We have seen this before and lost a great lower class champion and a possible GP champion .

How could you tell he had his head ridden over?  ???
I couldn't deduce that from the video footage, looks like his bike was hit. But, some are reportign that he was indeed struck.

https://supersport.com/motorsport/motogp/news/210529_Swiss_Moto3_rider_Dupasquier_hit_by_bike_in_Mugello_crash

Agree - I could not see him being hit from any of the footage available anywhere. But ja, lets see. Terrible accident and hoping he is OK.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2021, 11:56:51 am

[/quote]

I know it is done and no rules against it - just not so doggedly and even through the pits  ::). Such a pathetic desperado move by MM and he certainly felt kak about it as he could not even look at the camera when back in the box and ducked away  :o. Look what happened to him in 2019 when he tried it with FQ. I agree that MV should have just rode away like Brad did. Too much nonsense in the premier class in qualifying imo.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/yamaha-slams-marquezs-not-fair-motogp-qualifying-tactics/6517841/?fbclid=IwAR2QM9P1k6fKSQtMWo6YJ_jpaqB7_0q6u0ngvB0XxKgn-E5YcLNy1rspsGY

https://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to-vinales/?fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQAhttps://the-race.com/motogp/marquez-explains-mugello-q1-tactic-and-apology-to vinales/fbclid=IwAR1IqRGKaJwJTdohIAian6dH3bBvcEPmJMrC50MdPrTLm6k91XqicSOWHQA
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Riders do not follow each other all te time.  They slipstream in a race with the express purpose of overtaking at the end of the straight.  This following around lap after lap is the amateur move of a rider who knows he cannot qualify on his own.  Look at the company he kept.  Luca Marini (rookie), Valentino Rossi (old and not competitive at all).  This sort of dogged following is for club level riders, not world champions.  Perhaps there is a club for him to go ride in somewhere in Spain.  Yes, you could ride away like BB33 did (BB even said that he had hoped MM would return the favour and even sat up so MM could pass to allow BB to follow him - no such gentlemanly conduct), if your bike and you are fast enough.  Keep in mind, someone in you slipstream impacts on you as well.  Yes, it is miniscule, but in a sport measure to three decimals, it can be very frustrating, especially in a high stress situation like getting from Q1 to Q2.
[/quote]

Nailed it.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2021, 12:06:15 pm
Not MotoGp but 3 , let's hope Jason Dupasquier pulls through, Nasty nasty accident. From what I can tell he had his head ridden over.
We have seen this before and lost a great lower class champion and a possible GP champion .

How could you tell he had his head ridden over?  ???
I couldn't deduce that from the video footage, looks like his bike was hit. But, some are reportign that he was indeed struck.

https://supersport.com/motorsport/motogp/news/210529_Swiss_Moto3_rider_Dupasquier_hit_by_bike_in_Mugello_crash

Agree - I could not see him being hit from any of the footage available anywhere. But ja, lets see. Terrible accident and hoping he is OK.

To me, it looks like he was hit by another bike, already riderless at that time.  The bike even stayed on top of him for a period as they slid down the road.

Sadly,  Jason Dupasquier, has passed away.  RIP.

Condolences to the loved ones left behind.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2021, 12:39:09 pm
 :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 30, 2021, 12:45:04 pm
Eish.  :-[
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2021, 01:12:09 pm
We tend to forget how dangerous this sport actually is.

I saw our dear old friend MM93 was up to his old slipstreaming tricks during warm-up this morning.  Warm-up for crying out loud.  Nobody gives a hoot wat your lap times are during warm-up.  It means nothing as it is just a final shake down of the bike.He came very close to rear ending Bagnaia as he was right on his tailpiece when Bagnaia almost lost it.

I do not understand MM93's technique.  I really don't.  He is way to good a rider to have to use this type of method and as he himself said he needs this to help him qualify, he must know he won't do particularly well in a full distance race yet, so what does it matter whether he qualifies 11th or 12th on the grid? 

We have now renamed our basterbrak who used to be Maja, to Barc Barquez.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2021, 01:19:39 pm

Take some advice from an old fart who knows buggerall, but believes he knows it all.  Do not miss the Moto 3 race this weekend at Mugello.  With that very long straight it is slipstream city and there will be extremely good racing.

A number of truths in this statement... :pot:

Eish!  I haven't even thought of a decent retort to this and you have left us Bud500.   :'(

RIP and condolences to all the loved ones left behind.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 30, 2021, 01:25:13 pm
Sad indeed.  Condolences to his loved ones.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2021, 04:21:44 pm
We tend to forget how dangerous this sport actually is.

I saw our dear old friend MM93 was up to his old slipstreaming tricks during warm-up this morning.  Warm-up for crying out loud.  Nobody gives a hoot wat your lap times are during warm-up.  It means nothing as it is just a final shake down of the bike.He came very close to rear ending Bagnaia as he was right on his tailpiece when Bagnaia almost lost it.

I do not understand MM93's technique.  I really don't.  He is way to good a rider to have to use this type of method and as he himself said he needs this to help him qualify, he must know he won't do particularly well in a full distance race yet, so what does it matter whether he qualifies 11th or 12th on the grid? 

We have now renamed our basterbrak who used to be Maja, to Barc Barquez.

... and then the "fucking little bastard" rear ends Brad in the race taking himself out and almost Brad and his mate MV. And guess what no fooking investigation of the incident - such inconsistent BS marshalling  :dousing:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 30, 2021, 04:24:18 pm
Sad indeed.  Condolences to his loved ones.

Yes a very sad loss of a stalwart WD member.  :'(   RIP
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Amsterdam on May 30, 2021, 04:48:38 pm
We tend to forget how dangerous this sport actually is.

I saw our dear old friend MM93 was up to his old slipstreaming tricks during warm-up this morning.  Warm-up for crying out loud.  Nobody gives a hoot wat your lap times are during warm-up.  It means nothing as it is just a final shake down of the bike.He came very close to rear ending Bagnaia as he was right on his tailpiece when Bagnaia almost lost it.

I do not understand MM93's technique.  I really don't.  He is way to good a rider to have to use this type of method and as he himself said he needs this to help him qualify, he must know he won't do particularly well in a full distance race yet, so what does it matter whether he qualifies 11th or 12th on the grid? 

We have now renamed our basterbrak who used to be Maja, to Barc Barquez.

... and then the "fucking little bastard" rear ends Brad in the race taking himself out and almost Brad and his mate MV. And guess what no fooking investigation of the incident - such inconsistent BS marshalling  :dousing:

Marc does not get investigated a lot.  And the Zarco/Bastiannini incident was supposed to be reviewed after the race.  I also thought you had to approach the starting grid with caution, not with your eyes closed and the throttle far open.  Luckily no one got hurt in that little encounter.  But apart from that it was a good race.  And what do you make of the last lap green paint incident?  Those rules are getting silly.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 30, 2021, 05:23:42 pm
We tend to forget how dangerous this sport actually is.

I saw our dear old friend MM93 was up to his old slipstreaming tricks during warm-up this morning.  Warm-up for crying out loud.  Nobody gives a hoot wat your lap times are during warm-up.  It means nothing as it is just a final shake down of the bike.He came very close to rear ending Bagnaia as he was right on his tailpiece when Bagnaia almost lost it.

I do not understand MM93's technique.  I really don't.  He is way to good a rider to have to use this type of method and as he himself said he needs this to help him qualify, he must know he won't do particularly well in a full distance race yet, so what does it matter whether he qualifies 11th or 12th on the grid? 

We have now renamed our basterbrak who used to be Maja, to Barc Barquez.

... and then the "fucking little bastard" rear ends Brad in the race taking himself out and almost Brad and his mate MV. And guess what no fooking investigation of the incident - such inconsistent BS marshalling  :dousing:

Marc does not get investigated a lot.  And the Zarco/Bastiannini incident was supposed to be reviewed after the race.  I also thought you had to approach the starting grid with caution, not with your eyes closed and the throttle far open.  Luckily no one got hurt in that little encounter.  But apart from that it was a good race.  And what do you make of the last lap green paint incident?  Those rules are getting silly.

I have to agree that Bastiannini may well need a long lap penalty for his antics.  They have entered the grid.  Bike are braking hard to warm up brakes, set holeshot devices, etc.  He must have fallen asleep.

The green paint rule is certainly becoming ridiculous in some cases.  That bit at Mugello is specifically ridiculous.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 30, 2021, 05:47:04 pm
A very sad day today RIP Bud500 and Jason. I don't know what to say.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 30, 2021, 06:29:27 pm
I saw on facebook Mat Oxley saying that the contact with MM93 set off Brads airbag and he struggled to breath for a number of laps before the leathers deflated causing him to loose places in the beginning of the race.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheHamster on May 30, 2021, 07:49:54 pm
I saw on facebook Mat Oxley saying that the contact with MM93 set off Brads airbag and he struggled to breath for a number of laps before the leathers deflated causing him to loose places in the beginning of the race.
He mentions it on his website bradbinder.com

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 30, 2021, 08:16:27 pm
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu.

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe.

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on May 31, 2021, 06:30:57 am
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu. Almal sal hom haat hy is een van die grootstes val alle tye nog besig om fiksnte word!!! Op n bike wat niemand iets mee kan regkry nie!

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe. Seker so maar hy is ook een van die groostes wat die sport ooit gesien het en  sonder hom sou dit nie gewees het waar dit is nie!

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan. Nie Yamaha nie Fabio! waar is die ander!!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2021, 07:00:25 am
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu.

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe.

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan.

4. The KTM's now have winning poise and poke.


FIXED  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on May 31, 2021, 07:27:59 am
Marc seems to be getting desperate, to the point of losing focus. Well done, BB33! And a great race for DB40 too, if that race had only been one lap longer (or shorter) :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rooikoos on May 31, 2021, 08:15:55 am
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu.

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe.

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan.

Rossi is al te oud vir Helderberg Village, eerder Altena in die Strand  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 31, 2021, 08:18:27 am
MM is making a lot of mistakes, his comeback year is a bit of a disaster so far. Alex Rins must also be kicking himself. He has had 4 good positions in the race then threw them all away  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2021, 08:29:58 am
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu. Almal sal hom haat hy is een van die grootstes val alle tye nog besig om fiksnte word!!! Op n bike wat niemand iets mee kan regkry nie!

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe. Seker so maar hy is ook een van die groostes wat die sport ooit gesien het en  sonder hom sou dit nie gewees het waar dit is nie!

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan. Nie Yamaha nie Fabio! waar is die ander!!!!

Waar is die ander Ducati's, Honda's, Aprilia's, KTM's en Suzuki's? :biggrin:  No 1 Pappa, no 1. :deal: :thumleft: :thumleft: :thumleft:

It has been a consistent Yamaha trademark that there handling is always the sweetest.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 31, 2021, 08:34:28 am
MM still ahead of Rossi on points  :o I agree as a long time Rossi fan I think it is time to hand over the handlebars to someone else, nothing lasts forever  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: voorvel on May 31, 2021, 08:34:47 am
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 31, 2021, 08:55:16 am
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

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Hoekom wil jy nou rasioneel wees as ons die tipe dinge bespreek? :pot:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Jag man on May 31, 2021, 09:11:44 am
We tend to forget how dangerous this sport actually is.

I saw our dear old friend MM93 was up to his old slipstreaming tricks during warm-up this morning.  Warm-up for crying out loud.  Nobody gives a hoot wat your lap times are during warm-up.  It means nothing as it is just a final shake down of the bike.He came very close to rear ending Bagnaia as he was right on his tailpiece when Bagnaia almost lost it.

I do not understand MM93's technique.  I really don't.  He is way to good a rider to have to use this type of method and as he himself said he needs this to help him qualify, he must know he won't do particularly well in a full distance race yet, so what does it matter whether he qualifies 11th or 12th on the grid? 

We have now renamed our basterbrak who used to be Maja, to Barc Barquez.

... and then the "fucking little bastard" rear ends Brad in the race taking himself out and almost Brad and his mate MV. And guess what no fooking investigation of the incident - such inconsistent BS marshalling  :dousing:

Marc does not get investigated a lot.  And the Zarco/Bastiannini incident was supposed to be reviewed after the race.  I also thought you had to approach the starting grid with caution, not with your eyes closed and the throttle far open.  Luckily no one got hurt in that little encounter.  But apart from that it was a good race.  And what do you make of the last lap green paint incident?  Those rules are getting silly.

Bastaininini was on his cell phone if you look closely.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on May 31, 2021, 09:30:28 am
MM still ahead of Rossi on points  :o I agree as a long time Rossi fan I think it is time to hand over the handlebars to someone else, nothing lasts forever  :'(
Rossi is in the sunday fun ride team... give him a break! :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 10:22:21 am
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu. Almal sal hom haat hy is een van die grootstes val alle tye nog besig om fiksnte word!!! Op n bike wat niemand iets mee kan regkry nie!

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe. Seker so maar hy is ook een van die groostes wat die sport ooit gesien het en  sonder hom sou dit nie gewees het waar dit is nie!

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan. Nie Yamaha nie Fabio! waar is die ander!!!!

1.  As jy sÍ almal sal MM93 haat omdat hy een van die grootstes is, beteken dit dat almal wat VR46 haat dit slegs doen omdat hy een van die grootstes was?  Maak vir my geen sin nie.  MM het baie ondersteuners regoor die wÍreld.  Dit is egter 'n feit dat hy hom soms soos 'n moegoe gedra.

2.  Ek stem Danie.  Selfs as reuse VR46 ondersteuner, dink ek hierdie moet sy laaste jaar wees.  Ja, hy voeg massiewe waarde toe vir Petronas en Yamaha in terme van verkope in Malyasia, Singapoer, ens., maar dis dalk nou maar tyd.

3.  Die ander?  Vinales was 8ste nadat hy 13de weg gespring het.  VR46 was 10de nadat hy 19de weggespring het, 'n 42 jarige ou toppie.  Morbidelli was 16de nadat hy tydens MM93 se onderonsie met BB33 benadeel is.    Dis nie sleg nie en ek reken die Yamaha dra darem so ietsie by tot FQ se wen.  Quartararo doen baie goed op die oomblik, maar gaan hy dit volhou vir die jaar? Hy het twee jaar in Moto 3 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het dit in twee jaar in Moto 2 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het verlede jaar die kampioenskap weggegooi gedurende die tweede helfte van die seisoen.  Hel, ek hoop ek is verkeerd want ek hou van die man as jaer, maar sy kop los hom partykeer heeltemal.

NS:  Jy is besig om die forum se maandelikse kwota uitroeptekens in een dag op te gebruik.  Werk asb. so bietjie meer spaarsamig daarmee.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 31, 2021, 10:39:43 am
https://www.news24.com/sport/Motorsport/watch-3624-kmh-sas-brad-binder-equals-motogps-top-speed-record-20210529

362.4 km/h
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 10:43:56 am
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 10:47:05 am
https://www.news24.com/sport/Motorsport/watch-3624-kmh-sas-brad-binder-equals-motogps-top-speed-record-20210529

362.4 km/h

I feel so very hurt in my little heart.  Did you not believe me?   :lol8: :thumleft:

BB33 3rd fastest in FP3 and through to Q2!  DB40 also through to Q2.

New Top Speed Record set.  362,4km/h by BB33, KTM.  Bliksem!

Then 5 bikes on exactly 357,6km/h.  Zarco - Ducati,  Espargaro - Aprilia, Miller - Ducati, Pirro - Ducati and Oliviera - KTM.
Fastest Suzuki: 352,9 Mir and 9th on the list.
Fastest Honda: 351,7 Espargaro.
Fastest Yamaha: 348,3 Quartararo

Clearly the new KTM frame and fuel is working a charm.
 
Riders through to Q2 list below.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2021, 11:08:00 am
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

Sent from my IN2013 using Tapatalk

Good point. Fabio certainly seems to have it all dialed in at the moment.  :ricky:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2021, 11:15:53 am
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

Agree - they really need to get the marshalling  shite together and consistent.  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on May 31, 2021, 11:20:34 am
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

Agree - they really need to get the marshalling  shite together and consistent.  :o
Stewards shite... marshalls wave the flags and pick up bikes and riders... :sip:
I also want to know who the fuck told the painter to add that illogical green strip! :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2021, 11:21:24 am
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

Sent from my IN2013 using Tapatalk

Good point. Fabio certainly seems to have it all dialed in at the moment.  :ricky:

OK, I concede. Fabio was on a shit bike, and only his monstrous talent dragged him across the line 5 seconds before the second guy. Did you see Fabio helping the Yam along with his legs at that one corner?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on May 31, 2021, 11:26:55 am
Lets give Fabio's bike to Rossi and all order will be restored then? :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 11:28:13 am
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

Agree - they really need to get the marshalling  shite together and consistent.  :o
Stewards shite... marshalls wave the flags and pick up bikes and riders... :sip:
I also want to know who the fuck told the painter to add that illogical green strip! :snorting:

Stewards for sure.  Marshals not guilty.

It seems to me, that they have now added a steward with racing experience by having Freddie Spencer as their chairman.  What they now need is to ad a steward with intelligence to help them understand their own rules.  Can you imagine the chaos if FQ also exceeded track limits on the last lap?  The stewards would still be trying to figure out who placed where 300 years from now!   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on May 31, 2021, 12:09:00 pm
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

Sent from my IN2013 using Tapatalk

Good point. Fabio certainly seems to have it all dialed in at the moment.  :ricky:

OK, I concede. Fabio was on a shit bike, and only his monstrous talent dragged him across the line 5 seconds before the second guy. Did you see Fabio helping the Yam along with his legs at that one corner?
The main straight you mean as I see his Yammie is 20km/h down on the others top speed  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 12:18:01 pm
Moet mens dit nie dalk toeskryf aan Fabio nie?
Ek bedoel, behalwe vir sy Yamaha, was daar geen andere in sig van die podium nie.

Selfde met Honda- vat vir MM weg, en nou sien ons die ware bike

Sent from my IN2013 using Tapatalk

Good point. Fabio certainly seems to have it all dialed in at the moment.  :ricky:

OK, I concede. Fabio was on a shit bike, and only his monstrous talent dragged him across the line 5 seconds before the second guy. Did you see Fabio helping the Yam along with his legs at that one corner?
The main straight you mean as I see his Yammie is 20km/h down on the others top speed  :biggrin:

12km/h is way closer to the truth.  His fastest was 343,9km/h.  Fastest bike was Jack Miller at 356,4km/h.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: roxenz on May 31, 2021, 12:25:30 pm
MM93, stands for Moegoe of Mugello. 93 furking times.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 12:26:52 pm
MM93, stands for Moegoe of Mugello. 93 furking times.

 :laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2021, 02:05:31 pm
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

Agree - they really need to get the marshalling  shite together and consistent.  :o
Stewards shite... marshalls wave the flags and pick up bikes and riders... :sip:
I also want to know who the fuck told the painter to add that illogical green strip! :snorting:

True, obviously meant race stewards.  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on May 31, 2021, 02:33:15 pm
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

Agree - they really need to get the marshalling  shite together and consistent.  :o
Stewards shite... marshalls wave the flags and pick up bikes and riders... :sip:
I also want to know who the fuck told the painter to add that illogical green strip! :snorting:

True, obviously meant race stewards.  ::)
The devil is in the details... :sip:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Bappas on May 31, 2021, 03:20:51 pm
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu. Almal sal hom haat hy is een van die grootstes val alle tye nog besig om fiksnte word!!! Op n bike wat niemand iets mee kan regkry nie!

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe. Seker so maar hy is ook een van die groostes wat die sport ooit gesien het en  sonder hom sou dit nie gewees het waar dit is nie!

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan. Nie Yamaha nie Fabio! waar is die ander!!!!

1.  As jy sÍ almal sal MM93 haat omdat hy een van die grootstes is, beteken dit dat almal wat VR46 haat dit slegs doen omdat hy een van die grootstes was?  Maak vir my geen sin nie.  MM het baie ondersteuners regoor die wÍreld.  Dit is egter 'n feit dat hy hom soms soos 'n moegoe gedra.

2.  Ek stem Danie.  Selfs as reuse VR46 ondersteuner, dink ek hierdie moet sy laaste jaar wees.  Ja, hy voeg massiewe waarde toe vir Petronas en Yamaha in terme van verkope in Malyasia, Singapoer, ens., maar dis dalk nou maar tyd.

3.  Die ander?  Vinales was 8ste nadat hy 13de weg gespring het.  VR46 was 10de nadat hy 19de weggespring het, 'n 42 jarige ou toppie.  Morbidelli was 16de nadat hy tydens MM93 se onderonsie met BB33 benadeel is.    Dis nie sleg nie en ek reken die Yamaha dra darem so ietsie by tot FQ se wen.  Quartararo doen baie goed op die oomblik, maar gaan hy dit volhou vir die jaar? Hy het twee jaar in Moto 3 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het dit in twee jaar in Moto 2 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het verlede jaar die kampioenskap weggegooi gedurende die tweede helfte van die seisoen.  Hel, ek hoop ek is verkeerd want ek hou van die man as jaer, maar sy kop los hom partykeer heeltemal.

NS:  Jy is besig om die forum se maandelikse kwota uitroeptekens in een dag op te gebruik.  Werk asb. so bietjie meer spaarsamig daarmee.   :lol8:

1. 8 Wereldkampejoenskappe agter sy naam As ons nie van hom hou nie kan ons hom n moegoe noem maar dom twyfel ek
2. Ek stem ook dat sy tyd aangebreek het. Hy is dalk besig om die legende te laat taan
3. Enigste verskil is hulle kan dit nie doen op Saterdag ook nie Dink die Yamaha is seker heel bo wat hantering aanbetref maar om dit te benut het die bike die regte hande nodig

Ek het baie hard probeer om nie n uitroepteken te gebruik nie

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Amsterdam on May 31, 2021, 03:27:19 pm
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

It could have ended way worse if you get dropped one place from your finishing position.
Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Zarco was 4th and behind Mir so he gains one spot and he is also 3rd, sharing this spot with Oliveira.  And in this scenario nobody came 2nd.
If Fabio had also touched the green paint he would have dropped one position to 2nd and nobody would have won the race.
 :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on May 31, 2021, 04:15:44 pm
Am I being stupid or has Superbru changed? I cant seem to find the wild dog pool or any other for that matter

Edit> Found it on my phone but can't find it on their website.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 06:22:21 pm
What an incredible cock-up the safety commision made with the "exceed track limits on last lap rule".  It is laughable.

First, Oliviera is send back one position from 2nd to 3d because he exceeded track limits.  This promotes Mir who finished 3rd into 2nd.
Then Mir gets a one position penalty for exceeding those magical track limits.  He is set back one position to 3rd, promoting Oliviera to 2nd.
All cool, except that this means, neither got a penalty.  Surely the penalty should be applied (and was so applied in the past) from your actual position over the finish line.  What should have happened is:

Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd, placing Mir 2nd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Whoever was 4th, Zarco in this case) gets the lekker bonus of moving into 2nd.

In this case, Mugello, they really need to relook where that bit of green paint is.  It is causing problems all round.

It could have ended way worse if you get dropped one place from your finishing position.
Oliviera drops from 2nd to 3rd.
Mir should be dropped from his finish line position, i.e. 3rd to 4th.
Zarco was 4th and behind Mir so he gains one spot and he is also 3rd, sharing this spot with Oliveira.  And in this scenario nobody came 2nd.
If Fabio had also touched the green paint he would have dropped one position to 2nd and nobody would have won the race.
 :imaposer:

Zarco is not part of it.  He goes to wherever the empty spot is available after the penalties, regardless if he moves 5 spots up, or one.  Remember, the penalties is because they gained some unfair advantage, so even if all three moved one spot down, then Zarco would have won the race.  This is the way I understand the rules and what is logical to me.  This way, FQ goes to 2nd, Oliviera to 3rd and Mir to 4th, with Zarco the winner as the 1 spot is the open spot after penalties.

The way they did it Sunday could have caused havoc if FQ also touched the holy green paint.  Then, as you said, Mir would have won the race.  No wait!  Oliviera would have won the race.  Heck, they may even have put them all third. 


Am I being stupid or has Superbru changed? I cant seem to find the wild dog pool or any other for that matter

Edit> Found it on my phone but can't find it on their website.

Their navigation is weird on the website, but I have always experienced it that way.  The pool is still there somewhere.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on May 31, 2021, 06:26:00 pm
Ek wil net graag drie goed se;

1. Marc is n dom mugu. Almal sal hom haat hy is een van die grootstes val alle tye nog besig om fiksnte word!!! Op n bike wat niemand iets mee kan regkry nie!

2. Rossi moet maar oorskuif Helderberg village toe. Seker so maar hy is ook een van die groostes wat die sport ooit gesien het en  sonder hom sou dit nie gewees het waar dit is nie!

3. Daai Yamaha het darem weer gewys waaroor MotoGp gaan. Nie Yamaha nie Fabio! waar is die ander!!!!

1.  As jy sÍ almal sal MM93 haat omdat hy een van die grootstes is, beteken dit dat almal wat VR46 haat dit slegs doen omdat hy een van die grootstes was?  Maak vir my geen sin nie.  MM het baie ondersteuners regoor die wÍreld.  Dit is egter 'n feit dat hy hom soms soos 'n moegoe gedra.

2.  Ek stem Danie.  Selfs as reuse VR46 ondersteuner, dink ek hierdie moet sy laaste jaar wees.  Ja, hy voeg massiewe waarde toe vir Petronas en Yamaha in terme van verkope in Malyasia, Singapoer, ens., maar dis dalk nou maar tyd.

3.  Die ander?  Vinales was 8ste nadat hy 13de weg gespring het.  VR46 was 10de nadat hy 19de weggespring het, 'n 42 jarige ou toppie.  Morbidelli was 16de nadat hy tydens MM93 se onderonsie met BB33 benadeel is.    Dis nie sleg nie en ek reken die Yamaha dra darem so ietsie by tot FQ se wen.  Quartararo doen baie goed op die oomblik, maar gaan hy dit volhou vir die jaar? Hy het twee jaar in Moto 3 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het dit in twee jaar in Moto 2 dit nie reggekry nie.  Hy het verlede jaar die kampioenskap weggegooi gedurende die tweede helfte van die seisoen.  Hel, ek hoop ek is verkeerd want ek hou van die man as jaer, maar sy kop los hom partykeer heeltemal.

NS:  Jy is besig om die forum se maandelikse kwota uitroeptekens in een dag op te gebruik.  Werk asb. so bietjie meer spaarsamig daarmee.   :lol8:

1. 8 Wereldkampejoenskappe agter sy naam As ons nie van hom hou nie kan ons hom n moegoe noem maar dom twyfel ek
2. Ek stem ook dat sy tyd aangebreek het. Hy is dalk besig om die legende te laat taan
3. Enigste verskil is hulle kan dit nie doen op Saterdag ook nie Dink die Yamaha is seker heel bo wat hantering aanbetref maar om dit te benut het die bike die regte hande nodig

Ek het baie hard probeer om nie n uitroepteken te gebruik nie

Jy het werklik goed geslaag om die uitroeptekens te spaar, maar die forum het heelwat punte beskikbaar.  Die mag jy maar gebruik.   :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on May 31, 2021, 08:11:46 pm
detail - singular 😉
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on May 31, 2021, 08:15:44 pm
Lets give Fabio's bike to Rossi and all order will be restored then? :imaposer:

Or Rossi's bike to Fabio?

See? :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 01, 2021, 07:58:37 am
A very interesting article, sort of explains how the KTM engineers worked with 3D printing, why the steel frame made it possible to get such big gains so fast and some other stuff I'm battling to understand. Nevertheless, an small insight into the world of engineering MotoGP bikes.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-big-mugello-motogp-surprise-ktms-comeback

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 01, 2021, 10:06:02 am
https://www.facebook.com/KTMRacing/

Brad has just signed a new 3 year contract with KTM until the end of 2024.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: I&horse on June 01, 2021, 10:38:01 am
https://www.facebook.com/KTMRacing/

Brad has just signed a new 3 year contract with KTM until the end of 2024.



Wow, that says a lot!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 01, 2021, 11:35:17 am
One of the reasons for getting his factory ride was his input with the R&D team, which most likely paid off again!

If we can have more than 1 KTM in the top 5 for the rest of the season we are in for some proper racing!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 01, 2021, 11:53:47 am
https://www.facebook.com/KTMRacing/

Brad has just signed a new 3 year contract with KTM until the end of 2024.

Brilliant and well deserved.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2021, 09:58:55 am
The three years contract, instead of the more usual two years is telling.  It seems to me that KTM is planning to go to a championship with Brad as rider.  Of course, it can all change pretty quickly as well, but for now that must be their plan.

At least it stops the BB must go to Yamaha / Ducati / Suzuki / Aprilia / Honda debate.   ;)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2021, 10:03:27 am
A very interesting article, sort of explains how the KTM engineers worked with 3D printing, why the steel frame made it possible to get such big gains so fast and some other stuff I'm battling to understand. Nevertheless, an small insight into the world of engineering MotoGP bikes.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/motorcycles/motogp/the-big-mugello-motogp-surprise-ktms-comeback

The sport as it stands now is a sport where sucess, or lack off, is measured in thousands of seconds.  A small change can make a huge difference and the other way around.  In this case, it seems KTM got it right.  Let us see coming weekend at Catalunya.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 02, 2021, 10:04:12 am
The three years contract, instead of the more usual two years is telling.  It seems to me that KTM is planning to go to a championship with Brad as rider.  Of course, it can all change pretty quickly as well, but for now that must be their plan.

At least it stops the BB must go to Yamaha / Ducati / Suzuki / Aprilia / Honda debate.   ;)

Yes I think they were understandably eager to secure him going forward, especially during the signature silly season.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 02, 2021, 10:33:37 am
And the silly season gets underway. KTM confirming Remmy to move to MotoGp with Tech 3. I don't know in who's place yet.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2021, 05:10:39 pm
And the silly season gets underway. KTM confirming Remmy to move to MotoGp with Tech 3. I don't know in who's place yet.

My guess is he will replace Petrucci, but I would be surprised if KTM stick with Lecuona.  Perhaps they will give Lecuona one more year, since he has been doing much better since the KTM boss crapped all over him a few weeks ago?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 02, 2021, 06:43:40 pm
Rossi said, over the past weekend, that it is Qurtararo who makes the difference.  It is an interesting statement.  Is Quartararo to Yamaha what Marque was to Honda?

There are 4 Yamahas in the championship.  Where do we find them on the points table?

Riders Championship:

FQ: 105 - 1st
MV: 64 - 6th
FM: 33 - 9th
VR: 15 - 19th

Constructors Championship:

Yamaha: 132
Ducati: 110
Suzuki: 58

Team Championship:

Yamaha Factory: 169
Ducati Factory: 155
Suzuki Factory: 88



Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 02, 2021, 08:23:33 pm
And the silly season gets underway. KTM confirming Remmy to move to MotoGp with Tech 3. I don't know in who's place yet.

My guess is he will replace Petrucci, but I would be surprised if KTM stick with Lecuona.  Perhaps they will give Lecuona one more year, since he has been doing much better since the KTM boss crapped all over him a few weeks ago?

I was thinking they were going to replace both Tech 3 riders.

When does Oli88's contract run untill?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2021, 10:44:27 am
And the silly season gets underway. KTM confirming Remmy to move to MotoGp with Tech 3. I don't know in who's place yet.

My guess is he will replace Petrucci, but I would be surprised if KTM stick with Lecuona.  Perhaps they will give Lecuona one more year, since he has been doing much better since the KTM boss crapped all over him a few weeks ago?

I was thinking they were going to replace both Tech 3 riders.

When does Oli88's contract run untill?

I can't remember exactly, but of memory serves MO88 is contracted till end of this season.

I would not be surprised if they replaced both Tech3 riders, but they may want to leave Raul Fernandez in Moto2 next year, before moving him up to the Tech3 squad.  That would mean either Lecuona or Petrucci stays for one more year.  My gues is Lecuona.  KTM prefers younger riders.  Then again, Petrucci is doing quite a bit better than Lecuona.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2021, 11:07:55 am
I am going to have to go have a chat with VR46 and MM93 for messing up my Superbru.

I always pick MM93 in the top 10 then he falls off.
The first time I could find it in my heart to not pick VR46 in the top 10, the bugger finishes 10th.

Flippen mother frockers!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 03, 2021, 11:14:05 am
Cant help but to wonder what this contract is worth!

Brad Binder: ďIím super, super happy to have signed again for three more seasons with KTM and it will take us up to ten years. Itís incredible to have been with this manufacturer for such a long time now and weíve always had a good relationship. Iím extremely happy in KTM colors so itís extra satisfying to have a long contract signed-up. Itís cool to have that belief and support from a company. Itís an honor. From here on we can focus on building ourselves towards the front. We are not terribly far away, and it would be really nice to do something great together. Itís exciting to see what these next years will bring.Ē

Pit Beirer, KTM Motorsports Director: ďThis was a very easy contract for us to do because we love Brad as a racer and what he brings to the team, the factory and the MotoGP class. He was also very enthusiastic to make a big commitment to us and that says a lot for our progression and our potential in this championship. Sometimes you find a racer and a mentality that really fits with your own philosophy and the fact that Brad has come all the way to the top with us in a ten year period is a very special story. Weíre really proud to continue racing with him and to keep setting new targets together.Ē

Mike Leitner, Red Bull KTM Race Manager: ďAs Team Manager Iím happy that Brad has placed his trust in us for another three years. Heís a very strong rider with a strong crew and a strong factory behind him. We will push together to achieve our mutual dreams and targets. Itís great we have this partnership up to í24.Ē
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2021, 12:34:06 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2021, 01:26:27 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 03, 2021, 02:38:51 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.

He seems to be one of those riders who is blindingly fast, only if everything is perfect.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2021, 08:32:36 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.

He seems to be one of those riders who is blindingly fast, only if everything is perfect.

Ja - need to have composure and consistency ... lets see how this move goes but not ideal to do a crew chief swap 6 races into a season.

Latest is Rins broke his arm today (radial fracture than needs op) falling of his bike ... bicycle!  Out of the race and who knows a couple more I guess as well. That has blown it for him - now already 82 points down.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 03, 2021, 08:36:34 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.

He seems to be one of those riders who is blindingly fast, only if everything is perfect.

Ja - need to have composure and consistency ... lets see how this move goes but not ideal to do a crew chief swap 6 races into a season.

Latest is Rins broke his arm today (radial fracture than needs op) falling of his bike ... bicycle!  Out of the race and who knows a couple more I guess as well. That has blown it for him - now already 82 points down.
How many laps were left when he fell of his bicycle ?
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 03, 2021, 08:39:04 pm
At least now I won't have him spoiling my superbru this weekend like he has for the last few races.  @TheBear I feel your pain.

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 03, 2021, 08:40:20 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.

He seems to be one of those riders who is blindingly fast, only if everything is perfect.

Ja - need to have composure and consistency ... lets see how this move goes but not ideal to do a crew chief swap 6 races into a season.

Latest is Rins broke his arm today (radial fracture than needs op) falling of his bike ... bicycle!  Out of the race and who knows a couple more I guess as well. That has blown it for him - now already 82 points down.
How many laps were left when he fell of his bicycle ?

 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: 2 Laps
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 03, 2021, 09:04:44 pm
Funny thing is that he was actually training on the track - so he got that out the way early.  :biggrin:  If they just put his arm in plaster it will be 4-6 weeks and if they do an op and insert screws it should be a quicker recovery ... I guess so long as he does not try a Mickey Mouse (MM) return in Germany.  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on June 03, 2021, 09:25:32 pm
Pramac Ducati just announced that Jorge Martin and Johan Zarco would stay with them for 2022.

Yamaha Factory just announced that Maverick's crew chief, Esteban Garcia and Yamaha have decided to split paths immediately (so, he was fired) and he would be replaced by VR46's old crew chief,  Silvano Galbusera, stepping in from the Yamaha test team.

Interesting - clearly not seeing eye to eye despite MV requesting him (they won Moto3 together) instead of highly respected Ramon Forcada who was the wingman for Lornenzo's 3 world titles. Not sure it will make any difference to his dwindling results that seem to be at least partly due temperament.

He seems to be one of those riders who is blindingly fast, only if everything is perfect.

Ja - need to have composure and consistency ... lets see how this move goes but not ideal to do a crew chief swap 6 races into a season.

Latest is Rins broke his arm today (radial fracture than needs op) falling of his bike ... bicycle!  Out of the race and who knows a couple more I guess as well. That has blown it for him - now already 82 points down.
i think a crew member pushed him off


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on June 04, 2021, 06:45:14 am
Funny thing is that he was actually training on the track - so he got that out the way early.  :biggrin:  If they just put his arm in plaster it will be 4-6 weeks and if they do an op and insert screws it should be a quicker recovery ... I guess so long as he does not try a Mickey Mouse (MM) return in Germany.  8)
:laughing4: I see what you did there :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 04, 2021, 09:49:18 am
Catalunya, FP3 for Moto3 and Darryn is 26th.  He did try a fast lap, but crashed.   :-\
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 04, 2021, 10:08:15 am
Funny thing is that he was actually training on the track - so he got that out the way early.  :biggrin:  If they just put his arm in plaster it will be 4-6 weeks and if they do an op and insert screws it should be a quicker recovery ... I guess so long as he does not try a Mickey Mouse (MM) return in Germany.  8)

His crew chief just said that they will operate now, insert two screws, so he should be able to start training next week. Me?  I'd still be struggling to wake up from the aneasthetic.   
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 04, 2021, 10:17:02 am
Catalunya, FP3 for Moto3 and Darryn is 26th.  He did try a fast lap, but crashed.   :-\

Waar kry jy jou info, ek wil ook eerste weet  :'(
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Solo on June 04, 2021, 10:28:23 am
https://www.crash.net/

https://www.crash.net/motogp/livecommentaries/971570/2021-motogp-world-championship---round-7%3a-catalunya-%28barcelona%29
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 04, 2021, 10:46:49 am
Funny thing is that he was actually training on the track - so he got that out the way early.  :biggrin:  If they just put his arm in plaster it will be 4-6 weeks and if they do an op and insert screws it should be a quicker recovery ... I guess so long as he does not try a Mickey Mouse (MM) return in Germany.  8)
:laughing4: I see what you did there :imaposer:
Hey watch it you two  :patch:  :lol8:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on June 04, 2021, 12:33:55 pm
Moto2
Barry Baltus
MM eat your heart out !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 04, 2021, 01:50:28 pm
Darren doing better in FP2 up to 2nd place.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Warren Ellwood on June 04, 2021, 02:51:52 pm
And Brad up to 4th in FP2.

Binder Boys on song.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 04, 2021, 06:17:08 pm
When you have faith in the front end. Today in Spain.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210604/41169760c73ec9dfb985d43821f727df.jpg)

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on June 05, 2021, 09:17:44 am
Moto2
Barry Baltus
MM eat your heart out !

You think these saves will be the future? Perhaps they're starting to build the saves into bike design, now that they know riders are capable of doing it.

Maybe set the electronics to keep all in order, should the traction go .......................... seems plausible to me 
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mulmi on June 05, 2021, 03:48:36 pm
Hi. Missed the qualifying.
What does the grid look like?


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on June 05, 2021, 04:44:56 pm
Hi. Missed the qualifying.
What does the grid look like?


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It's like little white painted U-shapes, basically 3 abreast. The bikes park there, then start racing when the light goes out.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2021, 05:54:21 pm
Hi. Missed the qualifying.
What does the grid look like?


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It's like little white painted U-shapes, basically 3 abreast. The bikes park there, then start racing when the light goes out.

Ja and they are staggered in 3's.

[    [    [
 [    [    [
  [    [    [

 :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky: :ricky:
Title: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Antonie on June 05, 2021, 06:05:31 pm
Huh uh more like this:
.[  [  [
.. [  [  [
...  [  [  [

I expected more from you guys.


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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2021, 06:10:12 pm
Huh uh more like this:
.[  [  [
.. [  [  [
...  [  [  [

I expected more from you guys.


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Who was asking you?  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2021, 06:19:32 pm
Ok, Ok  :deal:



1   20   Fabio QUARTARARO   FRA   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   345.0   1'38.853   
2   43   Jack MILLER   AUS   Ducati Lenovo Team   Ducati   352.9   1'38.890   0.037 / 0.037
3   5   Johann ZARCO   FRA   Pramac Racing   Ducati   350.6   1'39.049   0.196 / 0.159
4   88   Miguel OLIVEIRA   POR   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   347.2   1'39.099   0.246 / 0.050
5   21   Franco MORBIDELLI   ITA   Petronas Yamaha SRT   Yamaha   337.5   1'39.109   0.256 / 0.010
6   12   Maverick VI—ALES   SPA   Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP   Yamaha   343.9   1'39.157   0.304 / 0.048
7   41   Aleix ESPARGARO   SPA   Aprilia Racing Team Gresini   Aprilia   347.2   1'39.218   0.365 / 0.061
8   33   Brad BINDER   RSA   Red Bull KTM Factory Racing   KTM   347.2   1'39.343   0.490 / 0.125
9   63   Francesco BAGNAIA   ITA   Ducati Lenovo Team   Ducati   348.3   1'39.359   0.506 / 0.016
10   36   Joan MIR   SPA   Team SUZUKI ECSTAR   Suzuki   343.9   1'39.431   0.578 / 0.072
11   46   Valentino ROSSI   ITA   Petronas Yamaha SRT   Yamaha   343.9   1'39.605   0.752 / 0.174
12   44   Pol ESPARGARO   SPA   Repsol Honda Team   Honda   348.3   1'41.791   2.938 / 2.186
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on June 05, 2021, 06:55:05 pm
Old Goat is going to have a fun day tomorrow.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2021, 07:29:15 pm
Old Goat is going to have a fun day tomorrow.

Every day is a fun day for the Old Cock  >:D  I saw Micky Mouse was also out playing ring-a-ring-a-rosy with Jackass for a change.  ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: adamktm on June 05, 2021, 08:24:33 pm
Hi. Missed the qualifying.
What does the grid look like?


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It's like little white painted U-shapes, basically 3 abreast. The bikes park there, then start racing when the light goes out.
:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 05, 2021, 08:27:44 pm
And Jackass took it the right way and showed MMouse how its done. Not like Maverick who had to go for a weeks trauma counseling after. Shame. lets see what upsets him tomorrow. #thoughtsandprayersMV12. #YamahashouldsignMorbideli. #FrankiesaysHelloitsmeyoulookingfor.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 05, 2021, 08:32:59 pm
And Jackass took it the right way and showed MMouse how its done. Not like Maverick who had to go for a weeks trauma counseling after. Shame. lets see what upsets him tomorrow. #thoughtsandprayersMV12. #YamahashouldsignMorbideli.

Indeed in true Ozzie style he just showed him first by rubbing fingers together to say - you pay me MMouse - then by seeing him off (he did thank Thriller afterwards).  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on June 05, 2021, 10:52:26 pm
Old Goat is going to have a fun day tomorrow.

Yeah, gonna be surrounded by people he's never met before ........................  :biggrin:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on June 06, 2021, 09:58:06 am
Old Goat is going to have a fun day tomorrow.

Yeah, gonna be surrounded by people he's never met before ........................  :biggrin:
People calling him "Uncle Doctor"  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mulmi on June 06, 2021, 10:29:55 am
Hi. Missed the qualifying.
What does the grid look like?


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It's like little white painted U-shapes, basically 3 abreast. The bikes park there, then start racing when the light goes out.
:laughing4: :laughing4: :laughing4:
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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2021, 10:47:44 am
Today will be a good day for Mighty Marquez to get back on the podium  8)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Biesie on June 06, 2021, 12:11:58 pm
You just have to love Moto3
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: IceCreamMan on June 06, 2021, 01:10:45 pm
93 must retire.

King beaten him 3 in a row now
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Serf on June 06, 2021, 02:06:01 pm
Today will be a good day for Mighty Marquez to get back on the podium  8)
The only step he will be on is the one into his camper...

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2021, 02:34:31 pm
Today will be a good day for Mighty Marquez to get back on the podium  8)
The only step he will be on is the one into his camper...

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Ek gaan nie meer MotoGP kyk nie .... Surely Hondaís worst year ever
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 06, 2021, 02:43:25 pm
Sochiro will turn in his grave but maybe it is what they need

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autosport.com/motogp/news/honda-will-gain-motogp-concessions-for-2022-without-2021-podium/6537191/amp/

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Altie7deLaan on June 06, 2021, 03:29:32 pm
A couple of observations:

1. MM93 might be a future podium finisher, but he is no longer a title threat. He has more than enough physical ability and natural talent,  but he lacks logic.
2. Vr46 is done, for a long time already. Contribute in another way if you are the money man, you are wasting a seat.
3. Pedrosa is valuable as a developer.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2021, 06:30:34 pm
A couple of observations:

1. MM93 might be a future podium finisher, but he is no longer a title threat. He has more than enough physical ability and natural talent,  but he lacks logic.
2. Vr46 is done, for a long time already. Contribute in another way if you are the money man, you are wasting a seat.
3. Pedrosa is valuable as a developer.

En onse Brad laat n Porra vir hom opfok. :xxbah:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: blockheadxl650v on June 06, 2021, 06:35:47 pm
Jan nee. Ek se maar niks. Vinales het sy wheel alignment uitgegooi.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2021, 06:48:50 pm
Today will be a good day for Mighty Marquez to get back on the podium  8)

Hmm - Mickey Mouse did not make that step again ... 3 X DNF hat trick  :peepwall:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: mox on June 06, 2021, 07:57:49 pm
The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany. 

Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2021, 08:09:42 pm
The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany.

I heard that his airbag chest protector went off, and he had to remove it to be able to ride.

When champions are being held back by "technology". ::)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2021, 08:30:28 pm
The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany.

I heard that his airbag chest protector went off, and he had to remove it to be able to ride.

When champions are being held back by "technology". ::)

No false news - no airbag deployment. Either he is an exhibitionist  ;) or the zip came down due to not being pulled up properly - often a Velcro tab covers the slider. Many claim he should have been black flagged if the race stewards were doing their job properly. https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-suit-problem-barcelona-yamaha/6541309/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2021, 08:43:15 pm
The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany.

I heard that his airbag chest protector went off, and he had to remove it to be able to ride.

When champions are being held back by "technology". ::)

No false news - no airbag deployment. Either he is an exhibitionist  ;) or the zip came down due to not being pulled up properly - often a Velcro tab covers the slider. Many claim he should have been black flagged if the race stewards were doing their job properly. https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-suit-problem-barcelona-yamaha/6541309/

He unzipped it himself, and threw his chest protector onto the track. Zipping up was more difficult though as it is a 2-handed affair.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on June 06, 2021, 08:58:33 pm
Tossing the chest protector was creating a danger to following riders as well imho.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: prettigegert on June 06, 2021, 08:59:59 pm
Tossing the chest protector was creating a danger to following riders as well imho.

Yes, he should have held onto it using his left hand.

Least he could do.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 06, 2021, 09:00:57 pm
Tossing the chest protector was creating a danger to following riders as well imho.

A tosser indeed :deal:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2021, 09:06:44 pm
Fabio's version of Ready to Race  :imaposer:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 06, 2021, 09:10:15 pm
Yamaha's bare-chested approach to racing.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 06, 2021, 09:14:26 pm
Yamaha's bare-chested approach to racing.

Less drag if it is shaved  >:D. (and more tit)
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on June 07, 2021, 06:32:46 am
I agree he should've been black flagged, for his own safety. Can you imagine if he had come off while unzipped (wait, this sounds, erm, suspicious...) and injured himself badly? I think he threw the chest protector out because it was in the way, with his leathers being unzipped. An unfortunate incident for him, but it is what it is.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: OomD on June 07, 2021, 06:34:07 am
A couple of observations:

1. MM93 might be a future podium finisher, but he is no longer a title threat. He has more than enough physical ability and natural talent,  but he lacks logic.
2. Vr46 is done, for a long time already. Contribute in another way if you are the money man, you are wasting a seat.
3. Pedrosa is valuable as a developer.

En onse Brad laat n Porra vir hom opfok. :xxbah:
Ja nee ou Brad kon net nie die mas opkom gister nie, maar mens moet dit vir Oliviera gee... hy het uitstekend gery!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Dustbiter on June 07, 2021, 06:43:45 am
Darryn Binder (#40) rode so well again, but seems to be too tall/heavy for the Moto 3 bikes, (or is it just the hair that makes him look taller?),
as, each time,  at the end of the start/finish straight everyone caught him and crowded him out, and then he would have to fight for the front all over again on the twisty bits!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheHamster on June 07, 2021, 07:47:33 am
Jan nee. Ek se maar niks. Vinales het sy wheel alignment uitgegooi.
Is Binder too soft at the start? It seems he is being bullied into little errors? At this level it's "Go big or go home."

I could be wrong, but his last two comments on his website are about being bumped, firstly by MM and latest "because someone hit me in turn 2"......

He's a talented rider, let's see it.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 07, 2021, 01:22:14 pm
Today will be a good day for Mighty Marquez to get back on the podium  8)

Hmm - Mickey Mouse did not make that step again ... 3 X DNF hat trick  :peepwall:

Didn't Rins also crash out in 3 straight races? It was one of the Suzuki riders.. okes were falling like flies on that race
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Serf on June 07, 2021, 01:50:49 pm
Jan nee. Ek se maar niks. Vinales het sy wheel alignment uitgegooi.
Is Binder too soft at the start? It seems he is being bullied into little errors? At this level it's "Go big or go home."

I could be wrong, but his last two comments on his website are about being bumped, firstly by MM and latest "because someone hit me in turn 2"......

He's a talented rider, let's see it.

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Last year he crashed out a few times, so it does seem that he is riding more reserved and cautiously. It's sometimes frustrating because it will be nice to see him on the podium, but consistency in finishing is just as important.

Having extended his contract with KTM may give him more freedom though. It will be so nice to know what the team strategy is and if he get any instructions.

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Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2021, 02:55:41 pm
Catalunya, FP3 for Moto3 and Darryn is 26th.  He did try a fast lap, but crashed.   :-\

Waar kry jy jou info, ek wil ook eerste weet  :'(

www.motogp.com and www.crash.net  maar ek live stream ook as ek nie andersins besig is nie.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2021, 02:57:01 pm
BB33 struggled with rear tyre grip.  They do not understand why as MO88 used the same tyre to great effect.  They are looking into it today as they are officially testing on the same track today.

The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany.

He should have been black flagged immediately.

The Frenchman is penalised for riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector

For riding without his leather suit correctly fastened and without the required chest protector, World Championship leader Fabio Quartararo (Monster Energy Yamaha MotoGP) has been given a three-second time penalty applied to the results of the Gran Premi Monster Energy de Catalunya MotoGPô race.

Quartararo crossed the line in third place but was handed a three-second penalty for shortcutting Turns 1 and 2 in the closing stages, seeing him demoted to P4. Now, after the additional penalty, Quartararo finishes sixth in the Catalan GP and has a 14-point lead over Johann Zarco (Pramac Racing) in the overall standings heading to Germany.

I heard that his airbag chest protector went off, and he had to remove it to be able to ride.

When champions are being held back by "technology". ::)

No false news - no airbag deployment. Either he is an exhibitionist  ;) or the zip came down due to not being pulled up properly - often a Velcro tab covers the slider. Many claim he should have been black flagged if the race stewards were doing their job properly. https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/quartararo-suit-problem-barcelona-yamaha/6541309/

He unzipped it himself, and threw his chest protector onto the track. Zipping up was more difficult though as it is a 2-handed affair.

In FQ's own words, during his after the race media interview, his zipper went down by itself.  He tossed the chest protector as he hoped he'd be able to get the zipper up with the chest protector out of the way.  He did not mention airbags going off during the interview.

Darryn Binder (#40) rode so well again, but seems to be too tall/heavy for the Moto 3 bikes, (or is it just the hair that makes him look taller?),
as, each time,  at the end of the start/finish straight everyone caught him and crowded him out, and then he would have to fight for the front all over again on the twisty bits!

Darryn is a tad too big for Moto3, but that was not the problem Sunday.  They crowed him at the end of the straight, as he did them a few toimes, purely due to the massive slipstreams created on the long straight.  Darryn rode a perfect race and was positioned perfectly for the win at the start of the straight at the end of the 2nd last lap.  Then, in the last corner two riders (Alcoba and Acosta of memory serves) sat up to slow down as they did not want to lead onto the main straight.  Darryn had no choice but fly pass and found him leading and in the last place you want to be.  The two riders should be penalised heavily, as much as a pit lane start at the next race,  for their dangerous riding.  Doing this in Free Practise draws penalties.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 07, 2021, 04:04:17 pm
While the MotoGP teams are testing at Catalunya today, FQ got leave from Yamaha to test newly designed, specially for him, leathers.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2021, 07:21:50 pm
 :laughing4:

He seems to be testing the mankinis for Kawasaki.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 07, 2021, 09:19:03 pm
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: RobC on June 07, 2021, 09:25:28 pm
While the MotoGP teams are testing at Catalunya today, FQ got leave from Yamaha to test newly designed, specially for him, leathers.
Far to hisuite for Fabulous Fabio. :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 07, 2021, 11:35:35 pm
Fok, that Yammie is a thing of beauty!!!
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 08, 2021, 09:27:20 am
Fok, that Yammie is a thing of beauty!!!
Stem gin wonder die T7 en R7 is sulke lookers nie !
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2021, 12:57:39 pm
Fok, that Yammie is a thing of beauty!!!

Ek stem.  Veral die een in Petronas se kleure.  Ek sal jou knaters ruil vir een.   >:D
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2021, 01:02:58 pm
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.

You get two " black flags".  One is all black.  That means you are disqualified - go to pits, park bike, go shower, come to race direction for arse kicking.  Then, there is a black one with an orange circle in the middle.  It means you need to pull off the track as you have a technical problem.  If said problem is fixed, say a loose fairing panel flapping around, or for that matter a zipper, you can rejoin the race. 

The rule in terms of kit is clear and easy to understand.  Why they did not black flag (with orange circle) him is a huge mistery known only to Freddie Spencer and his two sidekicks.   The 3s penalty, after the race is over, is a mistery, not even Freddie and mates will understand.  It is of no use and makes no sense.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Rough Rider on June 08, 2021, 01:12:53 pm
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.

You get two " black flags".  One is all black.  That means you are disqualified - go to pits, park bike, go shower, come to race direction for arse kicking.  Then, there is a black one with an orange circle in the middle.  It means you need to pull off the track as you have a technical problem.  If said problem is fixed, say a loose fairing panel flapping around, or for that matter a zipper, you can rejoin the race. 

The rule in terms of kit is clear and easy to understand.  Why they did not black flag (with orange circle) him is a huge mistery known only to Freddie Spencer and his two sidekicks.   The 3s penalty, after the race is over, is a mistery, not even Freddie and mates will understand.  It is of no use and makes no sense.

Can you imagine what would have happened if he fell off and fucked himself up while his leathers were open.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: TheBear on June 08, 2021, 01:15:01 pm
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.

You get two " black flags".  One is all black.  That means you are disqualified - go to pits, park bike, go shower, come to race direction for arse kicking.  Then, there is a black one with an orange circle in the middle.  It means you need to pull off the track as you have a technical problem.  If said problem is fixed, say a loose fairing panel flapping around, or for that matter a zipper, you can rejoin the race. 

The rule in terms of kit is clear and easy to understand.  Why they did not black flag (with orange circle) him is a huge mistery known only to Freddie Spencer and his two sidekicks.   The 3s penalty, after the race is over, is a mistery, not even Freddie and mates will understand.  It is of no use and makes no sense.

Can you imagine what would have happened if he fell off and fucked himself up while his leathers were open.

There would have been truck loads of stinky stuff all over the place.  I am not sure how it works in Spain, but in Italy they would even have arrested the organisers for dereliction of duty and all sorts of other nasty stuff.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 08, 2021, 03:18:36 pm
Agree - the Italians are some of the worlds worst bureaucrats fosho! I think once again a bit of golden boy favoritism clouded - in fact blinded - the issue.  :o
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2021, 04:41:32 pm
Agree - the Italians are some of the worlds worst bureaucrats fosho! I think once again a bit of golden boy favoritism clouded - in fact blinded - the issue.  :o

Fabio is french, not Italian......

And I'd say hats off to the organisers to not have stopped the race. Things are getting too baby-baby out there.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 08, 2021, 05:49:44 pm
Agree - the Italians are some of the worlds worst bureaucrats fosho! I think once again a bit of golden boy favoritism clouded - in fact blinded - the issue.  :o

Fabio is french, not Italian......

And I'd say hats off to the organisers to not have stopped the race. Things are getting too baby-baby out there.

You mean French not Spaneesh  >:D.  I think the baby-baby class is the one that is getting scary with testo overload outweighing talent in some cases.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: sidetrack on June 08, 2021, 05:59:50 pm
Well Iíd never thought someone named Fabio would race in Motogp  :biggrin:
Millenials
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: 2StrokeDan on June 08, 2021, 08:35:09 pm
Well Iíd never thought someone named Fabio would race in Motogp  :biggrin:
Millenials

There's been a "Valentino" for decades......not to mention that Whoregay guy.....

And they' have all been on Yamahas. :snorting:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 08, 2021, 09:13:24 pm
Nothing interesting after yesterday's testing?  KTM seems to theink they had made some good improvements.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Cracker on June 08, 2021, 10:12:13 pm
I see MM did the most laps and managed to finish at the sharp end of those outside the top ten .................  :thumleft:
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Tman21 on June 09, 2021, 09:00:20 am
New bits and bobs for KTM and Yammie:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP4Zs0EJ9lQ/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP26KB_FAiU/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CP3eBjupb8X/
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 09, 2021, 10:28:54 am
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.

You get two " black flags".  One is all black.  That means you are disqualified - go to pits, park bike, go shower, come to race direction for arse kicking.  Then, there is a black one with an orange circle in the middle.  It means you need to pull off the track as you have a technical problem.  If said problem is fixed, say a loose fairing panel flapping around, or for that matter a zipper, you can rejoin the race. 

The rule in terms of kit is clear and easy to understand.  Why they did not black flag (with orange circle) him is a huge mistery known only to Freddie Spencer and his two sidekicks.   The 3s penalty, after the race is over, is a mistery, not even Freddie and mates will understand.  It is of no use and makes no sense.

Thanks for that. makes sense. I didnt know about the black flag with the orange circle  :thumleft: What was interesting is that the commentators who have been around the sport since Noah did'nt even know that. I'm pretty sure that you cant just throw a chest protector onto the track for another bike to loose its front end on.

The penalty seems harsh but he could have caused a bad accident.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: BiG DoM on June 09, 2021, 11:15:38 am
He has changed his tune and now says he agrees he should have been black flagged. I reckon at least they should have made him do a lap through the pits to slow and fix it. A 3s penalty is also so pathetic.  :o  Testing his new leathers today.

You get two " black flags".  One is all black.  That means you are disqualified - go to pits, park bike, go shower, come to race direction for arse kicking.  Then, there is a black one with an orange circle in the middle.  It means you need to pull off the track as you have a technical problem.  If said problem is fixed, say a loose fairing panel flapping around, or for that matter a zipper, you can rejoin the race. 

The rule in terms of kit is clear and easy to understand.  Why they did not black flag (with orange circle) him is a huge mistery known only to Freddie Spencer and his two sidekicks.   The 3s penalty, after the race is over, is a mistery, not even Freddie and mates will understand.  It is of no use and makes no sense.

Thanks for that. makes sense. I didnt know about the black flag with the orange circle  :thumleft: What was interesting is that the commentators who have been around the sport since Noah did'nt even know that. I'm pretty sure that you cant just throw a chest protector onto the track for another bike to loose its front end on.

The penalty seems harsh but he could have caused a bad accident.

|No - the commentators mentioned the black and orange option.
Title: Re: MotoGP 2021
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on June 09, 2021, 12:21:53 pm