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Title: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 07:37:38 am
More julle,

Stofgogga het die naweek bietjie gaan ry saam vriende Rosendal se kant toe,sy 2017 Africa Twin DCT se voorwiel het op gelock op die teerpad teen 110km/h,wat toe n redelike val veroorsaak.
Volgens wat ek kan aflei het hy agter ge sweep op die grondpad met hier en daar modder toestande, niks te ernstig nie.
Hy is tans in Vaalpark Hospitaal en sy operasie het goed verloop..

Toe hy later teerpad vat het die fiets se voorwiel semuur op ge lock op 110, het dit al met enige iemand hier gebeur??

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 07:42:30 am
Sub
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: skydiver on March 01, 2021, 07:44:22 am
Wow.
Never heard of this before. Glad he is relatively okay.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Bikerboer1973 on March 01, 2021, 08:04:40 am
Not nice! Glad he is ok.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: subie on March 01, 2021, 08:13:09 am
Kan nie help. As ek sulke goed hoor dink ek dadelik "home mechanic )  :sip:
Sterkte met die herstel Stofgogga :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 01, 2021, 08:14:59 am
OP verlede jaar se Jozi2Kosi trip het my CRF 1000 L se voorwiel soveel modder en klei opgebou dat hy ook gesluit het. Die voorste modderskerm is net n rapsie te naby aan die wiel. Nie seker of dit hier ook die rede was nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2021, 08:21:43 am
OP verlede jaar se Jozi2Kosi trip het my CRF 1000 L se voorwiel soveel modder en klei opgebou dat hy ook gesluit het. Die voorste modderskerm is net n rapsie te naby aan die wiel. Nie seker of dit hier ook die rede was nie.

Ek het ook al gesien dat fietse nerens gaan as gevolg van modder opbou, maar op teer sou ek dink dat die modderkerm eerder sou breek, as die wiel sluit, agv. hoe vlakke van rubber/teerpad wrywing.

Die ryer het nie straks die voorrem te hard getrek nie? Kan daardie ABS heeltemal afskakel?

Nie eens wiellaers sal n voorwiel op teer sluit nie, die laers sal of in die naaf draai, of om die as.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 08:56:39 am
My heel eerste val op teer ooit was my SS50 se voor modderskerm watse beoudjies besluit hulle awol nou.
Natuurlik met die hoogere spoed van die SS was dit n harde val met somer skoolklere aan!! Het lank rowe gepik oor daai val!! ;D :(

Sterkte Stofgogga. :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Master Beerkie on March 01, 2021, 09:02:18 am
Eish - jammer om te hoor Gary.
Gewrig, ulna, radius?
Strongs boet !
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on March 01, 2021, 10:19:02 am
https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

That is all I found
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roadhawg on March 01, 2021, 10:30:48 am
https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

That is all I found

I thought only KTMs had electrics that show error codes? :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 10:37:44 am
This is the only picture of the fall I could get so far, note where the skid mark starts, open straight road!!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 10:54:07 am
Bliksim that is a proper lockup!! :o
How does the bike look like? :(
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 10:56:40 am
From what I hear a few scrapes, not too bad considering...but don't quote me on it as I haven't seen it yet.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 01, 2021, 11:07:22 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 11:08:28 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.
Gaan ry jou pad na reen en dan kom bevestig jy of dit so is al dan nie!! ;) >:D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on March 01, 2021, 11:10:54 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.

If it was mud it would have probably happened sooner as it seems he travelled a distance on the tar before it happened
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 01, 2021, 11:13:32 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.
Gaan ry jou pad na reen en dan kom bevestig jy of dit so is al dan nie!! ;) >:D

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: Jy van alle mense behoort te weet Chris.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 01, 2021, 11:14:37 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.

If it was mud it would have probably happened sooner as it seems he travelled a distance on the tar before it happened

True, and if a mudclod had become dislodged at that speed, it would've broken right?  I'm really keen to hear what the cause was.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 11:16:30 am
Ek is jammer ek het diť fred oopgemaak, julle praat my nou senuweeagtig.  Kon dit modder aanpaksels gewees het soos Biker Jan vra?  Sal baie graag die oorsaak wil weet.
Gaan ry jou pad na reen en dan kom bevestig jy of dit so is al dan nie!! ;) >:D

 :spitcoffee: :imaposer: Jy van alle mense behoort te weet Chris.
Kyk daai eerste val van my was wragtag slow motion sagte landing waaraan ek absoluut niks kon doen!! :eek7:
Tweede omtip was my voorwiel gelock van die modder ons het daar skoon gekrap en ek het nie eens n voorste modderskerm.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Bappas on March 01, 2021, 11:16:31 am
Might this be our love of the newfound stupid electronics !
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: sidetrack on March 01, 2021, 11:26:23 am
Is the whole idea behind ABS NOT to lock up ?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Bappas on March 01, 2021, 11:31:03 am
Is the whole idea behind ABS NOT to lock up ?

That it is !  However bar for help with stupid brake grabbing it does not help brake performance for a most semi skilled riders!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 11:31:25 am
Is the whole idea behind ABS NOT to lock up ?

Yes this is indeed a very strange accident.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 11:34:26 am
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 01, 2021, 11:35:54 am
I would be very keen to see how this gets investigated. 1st time I hear of anything like this on a DCT Twin. I'm sure we would like to know if it was strictly mechanical.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 01, 2021, 11:36:35 am
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.

I'm under correction but you cant disable the ABS on the front, just the back.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: sidetrack on March 01, 2021, 11:37:10 am
Ban all these electronic gadgets, viva T7. Make biking simple and great again.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 11:37:30 am
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.

I'm under correction but you cant disable the ABS on the front, just the back.

I will check that.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 11:40:55 am
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.

I'm under correction but you cant disable the ABS on the front, just the back.

You are right. Seems like you can only turn off the rear ABS.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Mpandla on March 01, 2021, 11:42:18 am

You are right. Seems like you can only turn off the rear ABS.

Correct, only the rear disables via the button.
Would be interesting to know why this happened. First time I have heard of this on a AT
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 11:44:46 am
This is the only picture of the fall I could get so far, note where the skid mark starts, open straight road!!
What bothers me about this photo is that this is a very big fat skid mark for a front tyre?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 11:46:23 am
Also ABS failure on AT, but really can't find a lot on the topic on the net...it's not a common issue on them it seems.

https://advrider.com/f/threads/the-crf1000l-africa-twin-problem-thread.1131281/page-8
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on March 01, 2021, 11:46:34 am
Sterkte Stofgogga... bly jy is hier om die storie te vertel. :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: LoopSoosStroop on March 01, 2021, 11:50:25 am
Something else went wrong here.

ABS cannot apply pressure to the brakes without pressure from user input. It can only reduce/modulate this pressure.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on March 01, 2021, 11:50:57 am
This is the only picture of the fall I could get so far, note where the skid mark starts, open straight road!!
What bothers me about this photo is that this is a very big fat skid mark for a front tyre?
It starts thin and as the wheel started skidding it turned sideways from the marks, then the rest of the bike made contact.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on March 01, 2021, 11:53:30 am
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.
My theory is mud played a part and perhaps a big rock was stuck in the accumulated debris, on the tar it dislodged and jammed the tyre?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Africamike on March 01, 2021, 11:54:38 am
Hope you heal soon Gary!  Glad to hear the operation went well  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 12:00:29 pm
I sent Gary a WhatsApp, in due time when he feels strong enough, he will let the forum know in his own words what transpired that day. He certainly is a very competent and able rider which I don't question at all.
In hindsight, I'm sure he will be skeptical to ride the bike again until a concrete answer can be given as to what went wrong here..
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: ETS on March 01, 2021, 12:13:10 pm
I sent Gary a WhatsApp, in due time when he feels strong enough, he will let the forum know in his own words what transpired that day. He certainly is a very competent and able rider which I don't question at all.
In hindsight, I'm sure he will be skeptical to ride the bike again until a concrete answer can be given as to what went wrong here..

How about a pic of the bike and said front wheel?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 01, 2021, 12:19:09 pm
Just a possible scenario.

He didn't maybe still have his ABS disabled because he rode gravel earlier and then maybe just maybe he has some kind of epileptic fit. My dad gets those and it would explain the scenario perfectly.

I'm under correction but you cant disable the ABS on the front, just the back.

Correct yes
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 01, 2021, 12:45:57 pm
I had to remove the front mudguard so that I could ride further. Was a total mess and PITA in the thick mud and clay. Once mudguard is off, the break lines and speedo cable had to be fixed somewhere.

We attached it with cable ties to the forks (Very stupid idea).

Rode the bike out, hit a gravel highway and sped up. Luckily I slowed down for a little driffie, from about 90 km/h to 50-60 km/h. As soon as my front wheel entered the driffie and the suspension compressed, the cable ties snapped, the knobby grabbed the break lines and hey presto, I went over the handle bars into the gravel as the bike stopped dead in it's tracks.

Very bad idea to ride the bike without the front mud guard! :laughing4:

Luckily no permanent damage to the bike, and this fall caused me to go for a colonoscopy and gastroscopy, saving my life as the cancerous GIST was then detected, and subsequently removed. Riding a bike is essential for one's health!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 01, 2021, 12:51:16 pm
I had to remove the front mudguard so that I could ride further. Was a total mess and PITA in the thick mud and clay. Once mudguard is off, the break lines and speedo cable had to be fixed somewhere.

We attached it with cable ties to the forks (Very stupid idea).

Rode the bike out, hit a gravel highway and sped up. Luckily I slowed down for a little driffie, from about 90 km/h to 50-60 km/h. As soon as my front wheel entered the driffie and the suspension compressed, the cable ties snapped, the knobby grabbed the break lines and hey presto, I went over the handle bars into the gravel as the bike stopped dead in it's tracks.

Very bad idea to ride the bike without the front mud guard! :laughing4:

Luckily no permanent damage to the bike, and this fall caused me to go for a colonoscopy and gastroscopy, saving my life as the cancerous GIST was then detected, and subsequently removed. Riding a bike is essential for one's health!
Duidelik is bike ry nie net goed vir geestes-gesondheid nie. :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 01, 2021, 12:52:28 pm
(ABS)... it does not help brake performance for a most semi skilled riders!

That used to be the case, and me never having been a fan of this shite...... but this technology has made some drastic improvements of late!
The front-only ABS of any 7/890 is so good that there's no way one could improve on this 'by hand', it has saved my ass a few times already.
And, like wheelie-height settings of some bikes these days (!) one may expect rearwheel-height settings soon for those into stoppies  :P

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Bappas on March 01, 2021, 01:18:05 pm
I had to remove the front mudguard so that I could ride further. Was a total mess and PITA in the thick mud and clay. Once mudguard is off, the break lines and speedo cable had to be fixed somewhere.

We attached it with cable ties to the forks (Very stupid idea).

Rode the bike out, hit a gravel highway and sped up. Luckily I slowed down for a little driffie, from about 90 km/h to 50-60 km/h. As soon as my front wheel entered the driffie and the suspension compressed, the cable ties snapped, the knobby grabbed the break lines and hey presto, I went over the handle bars into the gravel as the bike stopped dead in it's tracks.

Very bad idea to ride the bike without the front mud guard! :laughing4:

Luckily no permanent damage to the bike, and this fall caused me to go for a colonoscopy and gastroscopy, saving my life as the cancerous GIST was then detected, and subsequently removed. Riding a bike is essential for one's health!

Been there done that !!! Not the colonoscopy Ha Ha
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 01, 2021, 01:19:50 pm
Honda has taken an interest in the matter now as well.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on March 01, 2021, 02:22:27 pm
Honda doing a bit of a face plant here.... excuse the pun.... :pot:  ;)
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2021, 02:30:17 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BullSmit on March 01, 2021, 02:31:33 pm
Nee donder Gary!

Ek is net verheug dat jy ok is!!!!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 01, 2021, 02:42:37 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Yes the bike was taken away, but as much as your dislike in BMW is it is disingenuous to assume that the something on the bike broke or gave way. In your own words, "no one knows up to date". One could speculate, of course, and I would expect as much from you, but stating it as fact shows your bias.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on March 01, 2021, 02:48:29 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Yes the bike was taken away, but as much as your dislike in BMW is it is disingenuous to assume that the something on the bike broke or gave way. In your own words, "no one knows up to date". One could speculate, of course, and I would expect as much from you, but stating it as fact shows your bias.

Unc Dan hittng a nerve with oomD...  >:D At least the avatar is orange oomD so jy regte pad ampr .... this is a Honda thread, lets stick to eyeballing them today gents.... :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: subie on March 01, 2021, 03:14:21 pm
This is the only picture of the fall I could get so far, note where the skid mark starts, open straight road!!
What bothers me about this photo is that this is a very big fat skid mark for a front tyre?

Ja ek het nog nooit op enige bike van so iets gehoor nie. Papwiel en tyre miskien afgeklim?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 03:17:57 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 01, 2021, 03:35:56 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

En dit gaan meer gebeur met al die stupid screens wat hulle deesdae install op die goed.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 01, 2021, 03:36:20 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Yes the bike was taken away, but as much as your dislike in BMW is it is disingenuous to assume that the something on the bike broke or gave way. In your own words, "no one knows up to date". One could speculate, of course, and I would expect as much from you, but stating it as fact shows your bias.

Unc Dan hittng a nerve with oomD...  >:D At least the avatar is orange oomD so jy regte pad ampr .... this is a Honda thread, lets stick to eyeballing them today gents.... :lol8:
Lol, no nerves struck at all. :thumleft: Dan just likes to get a stab in sideways whenever he can, ons moet daai oom met 'n valk oog dophou! :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 01, 2021, 03:40:05 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

En dit gaan meer gebeur met al die stupid screens wat hulle deesdae install op die goed.
Ek val my moertoe deur net die revs te probeer sien op deesdae se tablets wat diens doen as n dash!! :( ;D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Odd Dog on March 01, 2021, 04:15:36 pm
I did a very similar thing on my GS12 some time back trying to point out a hill climb to Tony The Bony, didn't see the corner and went bush whacking. Managed to keep it all together until the speed was reduced and took it down a 3 foot embankment.

Must have been the bikes fault.  :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: sidetrack on March 01, 2021, 05:24:27 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

En dit gaan meer gebeur met al die stupid screens wat hulle deesdae install op die goed.
The smartphone has migrated to the dashboard, just look around you everyone has their nose stuck in one. Not what a bike is about.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Hando on March 01, 2021, 05:25:32 pm
I have seen brakes lock up on bikes before.

And normally what transpired was the following.

Rider sees that the brake fluid in the container is a bit low and tops it up.

Some time later rider replaces the brake pads. In order to do this - the brake caliper pistons are pushed back because the new pads are nice and thick again.

Problem is that now the brake fluid reservoir is overfilled.

This causes the brakes to constantly be 'engaged' . As one rides like this - with the pads just braking ever so slightly due to excess pressure from the overfilled reservoir - the calipers start to heat up until eventually  the whole lot locks up.

I have also seen this due to riders riding with their feet just resting on the rear brake lever - causing the brakes to drag until they overheat and lock up. And I have also seen this where the (aftermarket) handguard does not allow the lever to fully release - causing it to drag until lock up.

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on March 01, 2021, 05:27:13 pm
I have seen brakes lock up on bikes before.

And normally what transpired was the following.

Rider sees that the brake fluid in the container is a bit low and tops it up.

Some time later rider replaces the brake pads. In order to do this - the brake caliper pistons are pushed back because the new pads are nice and thick again.

Problem is that now the brake fluid reservoir is overfilled.

This causes the brakes to constantly be 'engaged' . As one rides like this - with the pads just braking ever so slightly due to excess pressure from the overfilled reservoir - the calipers start to heat up until eventually  the whole lot locks up.

I have also seen this due to riders riding with their feet just resting on the rear brake lever - causing the brakes to drag until they overheat and lock up. And I have also seen this where the (aftermarket) handguard does not allow the lever to fully release - causing it to drag until lock up.

Some food for thought there Hanno
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2021, 07:16:10 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: XRRX on March 01, 2021, 07:38:18 pm
I cannot see a front wheel lock-up on account of faulty electronics!!! It's just a hydraulic system with an ABS system coupled to prevent just that!!!
There must be a rather simple explanation for more than one factor that came together and almost killed a person, just glad the rider is ok!!!
At least this thread is a fresh breeze on all the T7 vs 790 schoolboy fights... :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 01, 2021, 07:47:35 pm
I cannot see a front wheel lock-up on account of faulty electronics!!! It's just a hydraulic system with an ABS system coupled to prevent just that!!!
There must be a rather simple explanation for more than one factor that came together and almost killed a person, just glad the rider is ok!!!
At least this thread is a fresh breeze on all the T7 vs 790 schoolboy fights... :peepwall:

Yes, this is an old-toppie fight....... :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Psycho Porra on March 01, 2021, 07:50:35 pm
Sterkte Gary.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 02, 2021, 07:58:49 am
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......
Speculation, when it involves the death of a person, is just off-color.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Stof Gogga on March 02, 2021, 07:04:01 pm
hi all, home at last...

Typing with one hand, so excuse the grammar, capitals and all that bs.

We were just coming of the dirt, not sure is abs was on or off, doesnt matter, front abs cant be switched off on a AT CRF1000.
I have enough skills not to grab a handfull of front brakes while still accelerating.  :ricky: and no home repairs were done  :bueller:
The front tire made that mark, I had no say in the width :)  :imaposer:
I also didnt have an epileptic fit or a blackout. Trust me, I remember every painful second from the moment I realized 'hier kom groot kak' to the end where I was full of blood on my hands. LEATHER gloves just tore off. Shattered wrist and broken rib, ATGATT prevented further blood and injuries.

I am in contact with Honda SA, they will be investigating once I get the bike back to GP next Sunday.
Will keep you updated.

JUST GLAD I CAN POST THIS RESPONSE TODAY. PRAISE GOD



Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: skydiver on March 02, 2021, 07:38:20 pm
Beste wense vir 'n spoedige herstel.
Hoop van harte dat Honda kan uitvind wat die oorsaak was.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 02, 2021, 08:45:59 pm
Thanks Gary,jy gaan bietjie buite aksie wees vir n wyle...bly jy is ok mannnnnn..mis jy jou 990?

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Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on March 03, 2021, 09:36:50 am
Ek hoop van harte hier kom 'n antwoord want tot dan gaan ek maar met 'n swaar hart verder ry met my AT alhoewel dit die eerste geval is waarvan ek weet.

Ek glo en hoop dit was 'n frats hetsy die rede, dom vraag maar kon die caliber of disc nie dalk los gekom het nie, ek weet die manual sÍ duidelik dat die boute vervang moet word indien daar aan die calibers en disc gewerk word, dan was daar ook al 'n geval waar calibers los gekom het omrede die ouens nie met die PDI die transporting bolts vervang het met die regte boute wat los saam met die fiets kom nie.


En  ja ek stem saam met wat Danie sÍ, gelukig is Honda nie bang om betrokke te raak nie wat heel anders is as wat ek al in die verlede op ander fabrikate gesien het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 03, 2021, 09:40:01 am
Ek hoop ook ons kry 'n duidelike antwoord Jakkals, ek ry ook nie lekker op die oomblik op my AT nie!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roadhawg on March 03, 2021, 09:41:27 am


JUST GLAD I CAN POST THIS RESPONSE TODAY. PRAISE GOD

***WHOLE COMMENT REMOVED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CANT TAKE A JOKE AND I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING CENSORED.***
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 03, 2021, 09:41:49 am
Ek sal julle posted hou,Gary dryf dit tans met Honda.

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Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: sidetrack on March 03, 2021, 11:51:47 am
Was the front brake still locked after the accident ?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2021, 12:58:48 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......

Now you are pushing it Danie.  There are quite some years between this rider who crashed and passed away and the crimping saga.  Connecting the two is like the ANC blaming Jan van Riebeeck for all their woes.  It is BMW bashing since you have no idea if this relates to a wheel lock up saga.  The owner of this Honda was injured and may well have died.  Show some respect and go piss on BMWs elsewhere.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 03, 2021, 01:26:55 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......

Now you are pushing it Danie.  There are quite some years between this rider who crashed and passed away and the crimping saga.  Connecting the two is like the ANC blaming Jan van Riebeeck for all their woes.  It is BMW bashing since you have no idea if this relates to a wheel lock up saga.  The owner of this Honda was injured and may well have died.  Show some respect and go piss on BMWs elsewhere.


Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: trevo on March 03, 2021, 02:27:12 pm
If the calipers were covered with mud and prevented the free movement of the brake pads from the discs, this can generate heat build up and eventually lock up, only speculation, let`s wait for the ooms with the dik brille and wit jasse`s opinion.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 03, 2021, 02:36:20 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......

Now you are pushing it Danie.  There are quite some years between this rider who crashed and passed away and the crimping saga.  Connecting the two is like the ANC blaming Jan van Riebeeck for all their woes.  It is BMW bashing since you have no idea if this relates to a wheel lock up saga.  The owner of this Honda was injured and may well have died.  Show some respect and go piss on BMWs elsewhere.

One final question; Except for saying that there was nothing wrong with their machine >:D, BMW never released their report on the bike to the press, despite several attempts to get them to do so.

So, no, I am not pushing it. In fact, you are, covering up for these scanivers.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 03, 2021, 02:48:19 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......

Now you are pushing it Danie.  There are quite some years between this rider who crashed and passed away and the crimping saga.  Connecting the two is like the ANC blaming Jan van Riebeeck for all their woes.  It is BMW bashing since you have no idea if this relates to a wheel lock up saga.  The owner of this Honda was injured and may well have died.  Show some respect and go piss on BMWs elsewhere.

One final question; Except for saying that there was nothing wrong with their machine >:D, BMW never released their report on the bike to the press, despite several attempts to get them to do so.

So, no, I am not pushing it. In fact, you are, covering up for these scanivers.

Perhaps there was nothing wrong with their machine.  Not everybody that crashes is because of a fault on the bike.  You and I both know that.  Anyway, let us not high jack this thread.  There are many others on how kak you think a BMW is.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: ETS on March 03, 2021, 02:53:08 pm
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Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 03, 2021, 05:56:40 pm
This remind me of the curious incident of the bike journalist killed on the launch of the watercloset GS range, when something, no one knows up to date, on the bike gave way, or broke off, causing the rider

to be killed.

Here Honda is taking an interest, I remember in the case of the BMW, the crashed wreck was whisked away by BMW, never to be seen again.
Daan die geloofwaardigste verduideliking van daai ongeluk is dat die ruiter sit en vroetel het aan die te veel knoppies op sy handlebars en pad verlaat het na links.Geen meganiese oorsaak kon gekry word.

Hy was nie en is ook nie die enigste en laaste ruiter ooit wat afgekyk het na knoppies of gps en pad verlaat het of dwars geklap deur n middelmannetjie.Dit gebeur gereeld ongelukkig. :(

Aha, let's not forget that this dead rider initiated what became known as the BMW crimping saga, where the crimping can let go on the front steering and the suspension fall apart.

Did they not found his bike with front suspension that fell apart? :deal:

This is not BMW bashing, it is quite related to a front wheel lock-up thread......

Now you are pushing it Danie.  There are quite some years between this rider who crashed and passed away and the crimping saga.  Connecting the two is like the ANC blaming Jan van Riebeeck for all their woes.  It is BMW bashing since you have no idea if this relates to a wheel lock up saga.  The owner of this Honda was injured and may well have died.  Show some respect and go piss on BMWs elsewhere.

One final question; Except for saying that there was nothing wrong with their machine >:D, BMW never released their report on the bike to the press, despite several attempts to get them to do so.

So, no, I am not pushing it. In fact, you are, covering up for these scanivers.

I think you have a valid point Danie. It is very strange that the report has not been made available
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 03, 2021, 06:49:26 pm
It is indeed very suspicious Jan, as the public would have been put to rest on the issue.

In this case it smacks of damage control by hiding the report, as the released report would probably be even more harmful.

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Cracker on March 03, 2021, 08:24:31 pm
Did you ride anywhere near a man with a stick?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: petri oosthuizen on March 03, 2021, 09:13:01 pm
Sterkte aan OP met jou herstel :thumleft: :thumleft:

As mens so na daai pic (Post 11) kyk........lyk of die brieke nie dadelik vasgeslaan het nie, die rubberstreep is eers dun(nerig) en word dan progressively swarter??

Anyway ek speculate maar net hier.

Obviously het die ABS nie gewerk nie, daai streep is een lang een.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Kaboef on March 03, 2021, 10:45:43 pm
...let`s wait for the ooms with the dik brille and wit jasse`s opinion.

Janee
Wat hierdie thread kort is meer dik brille en minder dik trille.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 03, 2021, 11:58:08 pm
...let`s wait for the ooms with the dik brille and wit jasse`s opinion.

Janee
Wat hierdie thread kort is meer dik brille en minder dik trille.

Kom jy die dun trille verteenwoordig? :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DavidMorrisXp on March 04, 2021, 09:10:20 am
It is indeed very suspicious Jan, as the public would have been put to rest on the issue.

In this case it smacks of damage control by hiding the report, as the released report would probably be even more harmful.


Still, EXPLANATIONS seem to be the very thing missing from the entire affair, the ONE THING which prevents Kevin from resting in peace. BMW adding a steering damper to the bike even though claiming it wasnít exactly necessary is not helping at all, and neither is secrecy. In fact, BMWís lack of transparency in the matter is only fuelling all the ďconspiracy theoriesĒ and gives the bike a bad name.

This from https://www.autoevolution.com/news/kevin-ash-s-death-still-needs-some-explanations-78590.html
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 04, 2021, 10:14:43 am
How the hell did a Honda fred turn into a BMW bashing event again?

Looks like plenty guys here suffer from severe OCD.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on March 04, 2021, 10:22:51 am
How the hell did a Honda fred turn into a BMW bashing event again?

Looks like plenty guys here suffer from severe OCD.

 :lol8: :thumleft:

Seems we cannot let an opportunity to slap Bavaria go by...... :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 04, 2021, 10:29:23 am
Im busy wondering what needs to happen on a thread before mods clean it up.. discussing religion, changing the topic completely etc does'nt seem to count.

Did anyone see if there was a special on Avo's this week.. seeing as literally anything can get discussed.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Fuzzy Muzzy on March 04, 2021, 10:30:29 am
...let`s wait for the ooms with the dik brille and wit jasse`s opinion.

Janee
Wat hierdie thread kort is meer dik brille en minder dik trille.

When are you coming to ride again? we must hook up, we can somma plan it on this thread  :laughing4:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 04, 2021, 10:42:28 am
Im busy wondering what needs to happen on a thread before mods clean it up.. discussing religion, changing the topic completely etc does'nt seem to count.

Did anyone see if there was a special on Avo's this week.. seeing as literally anything can get discussed.
and Mango's and they still bloody expensive for the second grade shit SA customers have to be happy with as 1 ste grade gets exported. :( >:(
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: gastank on March 04, 2021, 10:44:25 am
Also happened to this guy: https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 04, 2021, 11:49:06 am
Sterkte aan OP met jou herstel :thumleft: :thumleft:

As mens so na daai pic (Post 11) kyk........lyk of die brieke nie dadelik vasgeslaan het nie, die rubberstreep is eers dun(nerig) en word dan progressively swarter??

Anyway ek speculate maar net hier.

Obviously het die ABS nie gewerk nie, daai streep is een lang een.

Dink dit is normaal dat die streep wyer en swarter word, soos die suspension verder compress en die tyre warmer word.
Al gesien hoe bars n gsxr se agterband op 280 en die ou het letterlik links van pad af gegaan op grond en terug gekom oor die pad en van die pad af aan die oorkant. Nie geval nie, n goeie dosis skill en guardian angel.
Bike was n write off, hele agterent is stukkend geslaan deur die los steel belt.
Ek dink ek vat eerder n 280 agterwiel bars as n lock up voor op 100km...
Sterkte met die herstel.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 04, 2021, 12:11:03 pm
Im busy wondering what needs to happen on a thread before mods clean it up.. discussing religion, changing the topic completely etc does'nt seem to count.

Did anyone see if there was a special on Avo's this week.. seeing as literally anything can get discussed.

Well, a Honda has two wheels and so has a BMW... and then we have Danie  :lol8: It becomes quagmire so quick its almost impossible and time consuming to clean up.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: bud500 on March 04, 2021, 12:24:07 pm
Im busy wondering what needs to happen on a thread before mods clean it up.. discussing religion, changing the topic completely etc does'nt seem to count.

Did anyone see if there was a special on Avo's this week.. seeing as literally anything can get discussed.

Ok my lord, as you please.
It now took me about 10min to look for, evaluate and edit or remove 10 comments. This thread is now sort of cleaned up.

Now imagine if this has to be done for every post on the forum...

We don't have the time to sit and monitor each post as it happens.

The section is General Bike related banter, sometimes it's a bit more banter than bike.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Lazybones on March 04, 2021, 12:37:12 pm
Altie en Petrie, sy briek het vasgeslaan aan die donker kant van die streep. Ons het van die verste kant op die foto af gekom. Nie dat dit seker enigsins saak maak nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 04, 2021, 01:50:49 pm
Also happened to this guy: https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

Does not seem to be the same, the guy on the africatin.org forum ABS stopped working, allowing him to lock the front wheel up in a turn. This incident was caused by the front wheel locking up on it's own, without input from the rider, whilst accelerating.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 04, 2021, 01:55:59 pm
Also happened to this guy: https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

Does not seem to be the same, the guy on the africatin.org forum ABS stopped working, allowing him to lock the front wheel up in a turn. This incident was caused by the front wheel locking up on it's own, without input from the rider, whilst accelerating.
Jan, as ek jy is raak ek summier van my AT ontslae.

SÍ net, jy weet, namens 'n vriend...  >:D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 04, 2021, 01:59:07 pm
Also happened to this guy: https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

Does not seem to be the same, the guy on the africatin.org forum ABS stopped working, allowing him to lock the front wheel up in a turn. This incident was caused by the front wheel locking up on it's own, without input from the rider, whilst accelerating.
Jan, as ek jy is raak ek summier van my AT ontslae.

SÍ net, jy weet, namens 'n vriend...  >:D

Wag self vir paar bargains om op te kom nou  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 04, 2021, 01:59:46 pm
Also happened to this guy: https://africatwin.org/forum/threads/abs-failure.1708/

Does not seem to be the same, the guy on the africatin.org forum ABS stopped working, allowing him to lock the front wheel up in a turn. This incident was caused by the front wheel locking up on it's own, without input from the rider, whilst accelerating.
Jan, as ek jy is raak ek summier van my AT ontslae.

SÍ net, jy weet, namens 'n vriend...  >:D

Ek begin ook so dink, is nou te bang om met die blerrie fiets te gaan ry die naweek, sal maar die 650 XR moet vat
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Odd Dog on March 04, 2021, 03:45:23 pm
It is indeed very suspicious Jan, as the public would have been put to rest on the issue.

In this case it smacks of damage control by hiding the report, as the released report would probably be even more harmful.


Still, EXPLANATIONS seem to be the very thing missing from the entire affair, the ONE THING which prevents Kevin from resting in peace. BMW adding a steering damper to the bike even though claiming it wasnít exactly necessary is not helping at all, and neither is secrecy. In fact, BMWís lack of transparency in the matter is only fuelling all the ďconspiracy theoriesĒ and gives the bike a bad name.

This from https://www.autoevolution.com/news/kevin-ash-s-death-still-needs-some-explanations-78590.html

That's from 2014.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on March 04, 2021, 04:32:53 pm
Ek het self begin bekomerd raak maar hoe meer ek na dit kyk hoe meer begin ek dink dat die 'n frats ongeluk is en iewers sal daar 'n logiese verduideliking uit kom.

Die ongeluk is op ook op ander wereldwye Africatwin groepe geplaas en sovÍr lyk dit of die die enigste geval is waarvan iemand weet, daar is selfs iemand wat al 'n 100 000 km review op sy Africatwin gedoen het waarmee hy om die wereld gery het en in sy review was daar ook niks van foutiewe remme nie.

Ek is nie 'n expert nie maar ek het 'n groot vermoede dat iewers langs die pad iets nie reg gedoen was nie, dalk is die transport boute op die calibers nie vervang met sy PDI nie en het hulle los gekom en die calipers skeef getrek, wiel nie reg terug gesit toe daar dalk bande geruil was nie ens, maar op die einde dit het gebeur en sal ek ook graag wil weet wat die oorsaak was hetsy dit iets op die fiets self is of iets is wat veroorsaak is deur foutiewe vakmanskap.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 04, 2021, 04:55:45 pm
How the hell did a Honda fred turn into a BMW bashing event again?

Looks like plenty guys here suffer from severe OCD.

Johan, in both cases there is suspected yet unexplained front end failure, whether it was a collapsed front end, or a seized front wheel.

I don;t think the problem here is OCD........ O0
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 04, 2021, 05:27:49 pm
@Stof Gogga  Glad you are on the mend! :thumleft: Hectic crash!!! :eek:  How are you feeling today?

I think we are all very interested to help find the cause for this. Hanno below had some pretty good observations from his experience. Do you think any of this could have applied in your case?

I have seen brakes lock up on bikes before.

And normally what transpired was the following.

Rider sees that the brake fluid in the container is a bit low and tops it up.

Some time later rider replaces the brake pads. In order to do this - the brake caliper pistons are pushed back because the new pads are nice and thick again.

Problem is that now the brake fluid reservoir is overfilled.

This causes the brakes to constantly be 'engaged' . As one rides like this - with the pads just braking ever so slightly due to excess pressure from the overfilled reservoir - the calipers start to heat up until eventually  the whole lot locks up.

I have also seen this due to riders riding with their feet just resting on the rear brake lever - causing the brakes to drag until they overheat and lock up. And I have also seen this where the (aftermarket) handguard does not allow the lever to fully release - causing it to drag until lock up.

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BlueBull2007 on March 04, 2021, 05:29:23 pm


JUST GLAD I CAN POST THIS RESPONSE TODAY. PRAISE GOD

***WHOLE COMMENT REMOVED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CANT TAKE A JOKE AND I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING CENSORED.***

:imaposer:

Nothing to do with not being able to take a joke and all about treating others with respect.

Maybe you should just "joke" a bit less in R&P.   ;)   
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Altie7deLaan on March 04, 2021, 05:54:05 pm
Altie en Petrie, sy briek het vasgeslaan aan die donker kant van die streep. Ons het van die verste kant op die foto af gekom. Nie dat dit seker enigsins saak maak nie.

Ok, gotcha.
Tyd gehad om bars te gryp of net lock up en tumble?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 04, 2021, 05:54:38 pm
How the hell did a Honda fred turn into a BMW bashing event again?

Looks like plenty guys here suffer from severe OCD.

Johan, in both cases there is suspected yet unexplained front end failure, whether it was a collapsed front end, or a seized front wheel.

I don;t think the problem here is OCD........ O0

Danie ek geniet dit as jy die ouens se siele so uittrek en hulle val elke keer daarvoor. Maar lees die opskrif van diť fred, dit het minder as niks met daai ongeluk met die BMW te doen nie.  Al wat nou gebeur is mens moet deur 'n klomp onverwante BMW warrawarra ploeter om by die oorsaak van Africa Twin se oepsie uit te kom.  Lesers van diť spesifieke fred stel daarin belang, nie in die BMW se ongeluk nie. 

Kan ek vir jou 'n Onverklaarde BMW Ongeluk fred opstart dan pos jy daar?  :peepwall: :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Bundu on March 04, 2021, 06:18:00 pm
has the bike been inspected yet? Front disks over-heated/purple? Front tyre damage due to lock-up?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 04, 2021, 08:14:24 pm
How the hell did a Honda fred turn into a BMW bashing event again?

Looks like plenty guys here suffer from severe OCD.

Johan, in both cases there is suspected yet unexplained front end failure, whether it was a collapsed front end, or a seized front wheel.

I don;t think the problem here is OCD........ O0

Danie ek geniet dit as jy die ouens se siele so uittrek en hulle val elke keer daarvoor. Maar lees die opskrif van diť fred, dit het minder as niks met daai ongeluk met die BMW te doen nie.  Al wat nou gebeur is mens moet deur 'n klomp onverwante BMW warrawarra ploeter om by die oorsaak van Africa Twin se oepsie uit te kom.  Lesers van diť spesifieke fred stel daarin belang, nie in die BMW se ongeluk nie. 

Kan ek vir jou 'n Onverklaarde BMW Ongeluk fred opstart dan pos jy daar?  :peepwall: :lol8:

 :thumleft: Nee wat, ek is nou eers klaar op die thread.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Beserker on March 05, 2021, 07:29:42 am

Very bad idea to ride the bike without the front mud guard! :laughing4:

Luckily no permanent damage to the bike, and this fall caused me to go for a colonoscopy and gastroscopy, saving my life as the cancerous GIST was then detected, and subsequently removed. Riding a bike is essential for one's health!

I saw Leftless' conversion to high mudguard and the rerouting of the cables to accommodate, and at the time thought I would do it as well, regardless of high or low fender.
(I would go high fender in any case, not that fast that it would bother me  ::) )

Glad nothing serious happened, and something positive - get well soon, hope to see you around soon doing " Riding a bike is essential for one's health!"   :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 05, 2021, 09:33:32 am
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 05, 2021, 09:41:53 am
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Moet jy nou krap aan die byenes ?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 12:13:34 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 12:39:13 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.

En anders as met BMW sal jy hulle glo, maak nie saak wat hulle sÍ nie.   :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 12:53:29 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.

En anders as met BMW sal jy hulle glo, maak nie saak wat hulle sÍ nie.   :pot:

As hulle soos BMW "niks fout" met die fiets vind nie, sal ek nie. En as hulle soos BMW die verslag wegsteek, glo ek hulle ook nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roadhawg on March 05, 2021, 01:01:55 pm


JUST GLAD I CAN POST THIS RESPONSE TODAY. PRAISE GOD

***WHOLE COMMENT REMOVED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CANT TAKE A JOKE AND I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING CENSORED.***

:imaposer:

Nothing to do with not being able to take a joke and all about treating others with respect.

Maybe you should just "joke" a bit less in R&P.   ;)   

I barely ever post in R+P  ??

I explained the joke (which it was) a few posts later for those who didn't get it but I see that was removed also.   Honest question, why is "Thank God" and prayers etc. fine outside of the "Religion and Politics" section?  Doesn't seem consistent to me.

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on March 05, 2021, 01:06:22 pm


JUST GLAD I CAN POST THIS RESPONSE TODAY. PRAISE GOD

***WHOLE COMMENT REMOVED BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE CANT TAKE A JOKE AND I DON'T APPRECIATE BEING CENSORED.***

:imaposer:

Nothing to do with not being able to take a joke and all about treating others with respect.

Maybe you should just "joke" a bit less in R&P.   ;)   

I barely ever post in R+P  ??

I explained the joke (which it was) a few posts later for those who didn't get it but I see that was removed also.   Honest question, why is "Thank God" and prayers etc. fine outside of the "Religion and Politics" section?  Doesn't seem consistent to me.
Wow... just WOW... you really are obtuse about this... now give the cow some rest. :deal: :sip:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 05, 2021, 01:25:01 pm
In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen?

Hey ouens, asseblief, los Dan's se privaatlewe uit!
Maakisaaki wat werk vir hom, dis sy keuse.... ons het almal ons kinks, en dis beslis nie iets vir hiri fred nie.









PS: Dan, seblief, jy sal wel wag totdat dinge genoegsaam afgekoel het ne?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 02:01:59 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.

En anders as met BMW sal jy hulle glo, maak nie saak wat hulle sÍ nie.   :pot:

As hulle soos BMW "niks fout" met die fiets vind nie, sal ek nie. En as hulle soos BMW die verslag wegsteek, glo ek hulle ook nie.

Met ander woorde, jy het klaar besluit, op grond van 'n paar sinne wat jy op 'n internet forum gelees het, dat wat ookal gebeur het met die Honda, was die fout by die Honda en basta.   :deal:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 03:51:44 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.

En anders as met BMW sal jy hulle glo, maak nie saak wat hulle sÍ nie.   :pot:

As hulle soos BMW "niks fout" met die fiets vind nie, sal ek nie. En as hulle soos BMW die verslag wegsteek, glo ek hulle ook nie.

Met ander woorde, jy het klaar besluit, op grond van 'n paar sinne wat jy op 'n internet forum gelees het, dat wat ookal gebeur het met die Honda, was die fout by die Honda en basta.   :deal:

Jy beur doelbewus weg daarvan om BMW enige skuld te gee.

Maar onthou net; Fok die Chinese.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 05, 2021, 03:54:07 pm
Ja nee, ek wag ook om te hoor wat met hierdie Honda gebeur het.

In spite of 2SD's hardon for BMW.

Wel, wat het n hardon met die thread te doen? :pot:

Ek is seker, anders as met BMW, sal jy wel hoor wat met die AT gebeur het.

En anders as met BMW sal jy hulle glo, maak nie saak wat hulle sÍ nie.   :pot:

As hulle soos BMW "niks fout" met die fiets vind nie, sal ek nie. En as hulle soos BMW die verslag wegsteek, glo ek hulle ook nie.

Met ander woorde, jy het klaar besluit, op grond van 'n paar sinne wat jy op 'n internet forum gelees het, dat wat ookal gebeur het met die Honda, was die fout by die Honda en basta.   :deal:

Jy beur doelbewus weg daarvan om BMW enige skuld te gee.

Maar onthou net; Fok die Chinese.

Maar dit kan mos nie BMW se skuld wees dat die Honda se wiel vasgeslaan het nie?  Genade Oom Daan?  Raak jy dan nou so effe seniel?   :imaposer:

Wat jy met die Sjinese wil doen, is jou saak.  As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Ek weet nie wat met die joernalis en die BMW gebeur het nie.  Ek is bereid om te glo dit was bloot 'n ongeluk en ek is bereid om te glo daar was fout met die fiets.  Kan jy altwee moontlikhede aanvaar?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 04:33:22 pm
Die probleem in die BMW geval is dat BMW, met weerhouding van die verslag, terwyl hulle verwaand aandring dat die fout nie by die fiets gele het nie, die blaam op die oorlede toetsryer plaas.

In die Honda se geval is die ryer nie oorlede nie, hy is hier om te se presies way hy ondervind het. Honda kan nie hier die blaam op n oorledene plaas nie.

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 05, 2021, 05:34:22 pm
http://www.wilddog.za.net/forum/index.php?topic=256599.new#new
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 05, 2021, 06:10:26 pm
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 05, 2021, 09:10:29 pm
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....

As ek die Chinese fok, is my hande mos nog vry.......
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 06, 2021, 07:36:40 pm
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....

As ek die Chinese fok, is my hande mos nog vry.......

Onmoontlik!  Hoe hou jy die arme goed vas sodat hulle nie skreeuend weghardloop nie?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 08, 2021, 06:37:02 am
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....

As ek die Chinese fok, is my hande mos nog vry.......

Onmoontlik!  Hoe hou jy die arme goed vas sodat hulle nie skreeuend weghardloop nie?
Dalk, in sy kelder, hou hy hulle vasgebind? >:D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 08, 2021, 12:16:42 pm
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....

As ek die Chinese fok, is my hande mos nog vry.......

Onmoontlik!  Hoe hou jy die arme goed vas sodat hulle nie skreeuend weghardloop nie?
Dalk, in sy kelder, hou hy hulle vasgebind? >:D

Hmmm ... so tussen die Yamaha valves en goed.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 10, 2021, 02:48:41 pm
As jy 'n oomblik van 'n Sjinees af kan afklim en luister ...

Hei TheBear,

blaai biki terug?
Ek het genoem daar's BILjoene van hulle, vrouwelikes bedoel ek, so Danie is effens besig: verskoon die ou.

Mind you, wonder hoe tik hy op hiri bladsye.....

As ek die Chinese fok, is my hande mos nog vry.......

Onmoontlik!  Hoe hou jy die arme goed vas sodat hulle nie skreeuend weghardloop nie?
Dalk, in sy kelder, hou hy hulle vasgebind? >:D

Hmmm ... so tussen die Yamaha valves en goed.

Jy noem dit dalk "Yamaha valves"...





Is daar regtig nerens n foto van die fiets nadat hy geval het nie?
en 6 bladsye in en daar word steeds gespekuleer oor modder....die ouens op die trip kan mos nou dit vinnig antwoord?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on March 11, 2021, 10:24:44 am
Goie tyd om weer 990 te koop Gary..... admit dit.... dit was buckets meer fun as die CRF..... ;) :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 11, 2021, 10:35:50 am

Is daar regtig nerens n foto van die fiets nadat hy geval het nie?
en 6 bladsye in en daar word steeds gespekuleer oor modder....die ouens op die trip kan mos nou dit vinnig antwoord?

As Hondas val, sien mens dit nie maklik op hulle nie. So goed is hulle gebou.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 11, 2021, 11:16:18 am

Is daar regtig nerens n foto van die fiets nadat hy geval het nie?
en 6 bladsye in en daar word steeds gespekuleer oor modder....die ouens op die trip kan mos nou dit vinnig antwoord?

As Hondas val, sien mens dit nie maklik op hulle nie. So goed is hulle gebou.


Mmmm lyk my eerder Honda eienaars en vriende laat n bike sommer self verdwyn, n Duitse moederskip hoef nie eers te help nie.


Ai, in n foto sal mens mos vinnig kan sien of daar modder was, en of die brieke blou is van hitte. of of n kabel le waar hy nie hoort nie.
Dan kan almal leer, en nie 6 blaaie lank wonder nie
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TeeJay on March 11, 2021, 11:42:28 am
When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 11, 2021, 11:45:47 am
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 11, 2021, 11:50:45 am
When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

The big question is, will they release it ?  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 11, 2021, 12:11:15 pm
When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

Probably sub judicare, therefore no comment from the parties involved.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: big oil on March 11, 2021, 11:32:11 pm
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Adler on March 11, 2021, 11:38:53 pm
Het al baie na die nuwe adventure fietse gekyk,maar hierdie maak mens bekommerd. Bly maar by my KLR650E want al wat kan lockup is ek.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2021, 11:18:53 am
When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

This crash did not involve a famous person, so there is no demand for a report, except by the owner of the bike.  There will therefore not be a report.  Honda will tell the owner what they think happened and he may, or may not tell us.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: shanestevens on March 12, 2021, 11:58:07 am
Garry is terug in die hospital, verdere toetse.
Die bike is by sy huis, hy het nog nie kans gekry om na Honda te vat nie. Sal seker komende week plan maak, sal ook die naweek daar n draai maak en n paar kiekes neem O0
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 12, 2021, 12:32:41 pm
Garry is terug in die hospital, verdere toetse.

Nee man!  Ek hoop nie dis ernstig nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 12, 2021, 01:21:15 pm
Garry is terug in die hospital, verdere toetse.
Die bike is by sy huis, hy het nog nie kans gekry om na Honda te vat nie. Sal seker komende week plan maak, sal ook die naweek daar n draai maak en n paar kiekes neem O0

is daar modder by die voorwiel?

julle moet tog sekerlik weet of brieke van self vas geslaan het en of een of ander ding soos n briek kabel by die tyre in gekom het?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 12, 2021, 02:38:00 pm
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:

Your Afrikaans is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 12, 2021, 03:21:33 pm
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:

Your Afrikaans Google Translate Skills is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Reggemaak vir jou ;) ;D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: big oil on March 13, 2021, 12:07:14 am
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:

Your Afrikaans Google Translate Skills is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Reggemaak vir jou ;) ;D

Oomd is correct, without Google Translate, I'd be lost.  Actually, even after a translation, sometimes I still don't understand, it's as if the translated words aren't in order.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Motor1 on March 13, 2021, 09:52:12 am
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:

Your Afrikaans Google Translate Skills is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Reggemaak vir jou ;) ;D

Oomd is correct, without Google Translate, I'd be lost.  Actually, even after a translation, sometimes I still don't understand, it's as if the translated words aren't in order.

Welcome to Afrikaans
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 13, 2021, 10:04:56 am
Persoonlik dink ek daar moet 'n eenvoudige verklaring hiervoor wees. Indien dit 'n fabrieks- of ontwerpfout is, sou mens lankal orals op die web daarvan gelees het. Ek mag verkeerd wees maar dink nie ons AT ruiters hoef erg bekommerd te wees hieroor nie.

Buitendien, @big oil sou al lankal Faceboek en Twitter warm "gecopy en paste" het hier as dit wel die geval was.  :peepwall: :lol8:

It would be a waste of time, it's a Honda, not a KTM 790/890. :peepwall: :pot:

Your Afrikaans Google Translate Skills is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Reggemaak vir jou ;) ;D

Oomd is correct, without Google Translate, I'd be lost.  Actually, even after a translation, sometimes I still don't understand, it's as if the translated words aren't in order.
Send the text down to someone in Georgia they'd unscramble it very quick the way they talk anything is possible. :deal: :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: buzzlightyear on March 14, 2021, 09:10:28 pm
Didn't @michnus  have a sudden front wheel lockup on his air cooled 1200 as well many years ago? I seem to recall servo brakes but might be wrong.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 14, 2021, 10:13:44 pm
Didn't @michnus  have a sudden front wheel lockup on his air cooled 1200 as well many years ago? I seem to recall servo brakes but might be wrong.

He had a crash yes.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 14, 2021, 10:14:42 pm
Don't hold your breath boys. There will never be any public news on this. Carry on. Enjoy your bikes.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Kaboef on March 15, 2021, 05:12:00 am
But wear your helmets.

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 15, 2021, 07:15:54 am
Don't hold your breath boys. There will never be any public news on this. Carry on. Enjoy your bikes.

Because the public does not insist on hearing or seeing such a report.

Especially in SA, we have been taken for fools regarding all sorts of financing, service plans and feedback.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: punisher on March 15, 2021, 07:37:34 am
 O0
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 15, 2021, 08:18:33 am
Maybe, while all the investigations, etc take place the matter is sub judice?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 08:19:23 am

Your Afrikaans Google Translate Skills is coming along @big oil.  :thumleft: :biggrin:
Reggemaak vir jou ;) ;D
[/quote]

I most of useded Google Translate to figuring out wot you woz saysing  :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 08:20:33 am
Maybe, while all the investigations, etc take place the matter is sub judice?

When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

Probably sub judicare, therefore no comment from the parties involved.

Fokus @OomD  :biggrin: O0
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on March 15, 2021, 08:39:46 am
Maybe, while all the investigations, etc take place the matter is sub judice?

When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

Probably sub judicare, therefore no comment from the parties involved.

Fokus @OomD  :biggrin: O0
Dis vroeg, ek is nog slaperig.  :bueller: :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 08:46:13 am
'n Snotklap ůf 'n koppie koffie kan mens laat wakkerskrik.  Persoonlik verkies ek laasgenoemde  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 15, 2021, 08:52:37 am
'n Snotklap ůf 'n koppie koffie kan mens laat wakkerskrik.  Persoonlik verkies ek laasgenoemde  :lol8:

Het mens n keuse as jy getroud is?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 15, 2021, 08:53:53 am
Dorsland maak net seker jou bike se voorwiel lock nie as jy hom volgende week op die treiler laai!! ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 09:13:01 am
'n Snotklap ůf 'n koppie koffie kan mens laat wakkerskrik.  Persoonlik verkies ek laasgenoemde  :lol8:

Het mens n keuse as jy getroud is?

Jy het 'n keuse ja maar dis nie aan te beveel nie om jou vrou 'n snotklap te gee.  :eek7: :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 15, 2021, 11:03:28 am
Maybe, while all the investigations, etc take place the matter is sub judice?

When is the report coming out? How long does it take to evaluate what happened?

Probably sub judicare, therefore no comment from the parties involved.

Fokus @OomD  :biggrin: O0

Hy is egter reg, dit is ďsub judiceĒ
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 11:20:25 am
My Frans was nog altyd swak gewees  :lol8:

Verduidelik vir my die verskil tussen "sub judice" en sub judicare" asseblief Jup.  Ek verstaan nie mooi nie.  Seriously.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 15, 2021, 11:24:00 am
ďJudiceĒ verwys na n geval waar daar n regsproses aanhangig is. ďJudicareĒ verwys na n regsproses wat met Staatshulp bedryf word.

Letterlik vertaal - judicare=regshulp
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 11:28:46 am
Het hom, dankie.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on March 15, 2021, 01:18:52 pm
Nogal intresant om te sien dat die wat kla dat 2SD nie op die topic fokus nie nou self ook af van die topic af dwaal.  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on March 15, 2021, 01:20:24 pm
Garry is terug in die hospital, verdere toetse.
Die bike is by sy huis, hy het nog nie kans gekry om na Honda te vat nie. Sal seker komende week plan maak, sal ook die naweek daar n draai maak en n paar kiekes neem O0

Weet jy dalk waneer die fiets by Honda/handelaar sal uit kom sodat hulle 'n verslag sal kan gee ?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 15, 2021, 02:55:45 pm
Nogal intresant om te sien dat die wat kla dat 2SD nie op die topic fokus nie nou self ook af van die topic af dwaal.  :pot:

Lekker om jou weer terug te sien hier ou Jakkalas.  :biggrin:

Jammer, dis seker my fout gewees.  Sallie weerie  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 19, 2021, 09:44:03 am
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 19, 2021, 04:54:25 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

 :biggrin: Laat BMW na die Noord Koreaanse staatsveiligheids polisie lyk...........
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 19, 2021, 05:04:27 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

 :biggrin: Laat BMW na die Noord Koreaanse staatsveiligheids polisie lyk...........

Ons moet maar eers wag en kyk of hulle die verslag vrystel
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 20, 2021, 07:54:57 am
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

 :biggrin: Laat BMW na die Noord Koreaanse staatsveiligheids polisie lyk...........

Ons moet maar eers wag en kyk of hulle die verslag vrystel

en ek is so ongeduldig..... :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 20, 2021, 09:17:43 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

 :biggrin: Laat BMW na die Noord Koreaanse staatsveiligheids polisie lyk...........

Effe oorhaastig, jy.  Weet jy dalk reeds wat die verslag gaan sÍ ook?   :snorting:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 21, 2021, 07:10:44 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

 :biggrin: Laat BMW na die Noord Koreaanse staatsveiligheids polisie lyk...........

Effe oorhaastig, jy.  Weet jy dalk reeds wat die verslag gaan sÍ ook?   :snorting:

Ons is so gewoond aan Honda's se spoed, ek het die verslag al amper klaar gelees.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 21, 2021, 11:43:46 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

It would be kindly appreciated if this report from Honda can be in English because many people are following this thread (or try following it) with concern.
This is a serious matter to some owners or potential owners, me included.
Thank you
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 21, 2021, 11:45:35 pm
Hi,noted

All future comms will be in english

Sent from my SM-A205F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: punisher on March 22, 2021, 08:46:12 am
can we have it in Scottish aswellplease
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 22, 2021, 08:46:53 am
We are overlooking the possibility that this could have been a rear wheel lock-up, and I hope this does not impede the investigation.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 22, 2021, 08:47:48 am
can we have it in Scottish aswellplease

 :imaposer: Can the lazy Brits not just Google translate??
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: punisher on March 22, 2021, 09:38:31 am
can we have it in Scottish aswellplease

 :imaposer: Can the lazy Brits not just Google translate??


wit the fook is google , ye wee bampot
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Vis Arend on March 22, 2021, 09:46:07 am
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

It would be kindly appreciated if this report from Honda can be in English because many people are following this thread (or try following it) with concern.
This is a serious matter to some owners or potential owners, me included.
Thank you

Nou wat van ons arme boere wat hier volg?   :eek7: :eek7:   

 :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 22, 2021, 11:32:32 am
As Maties ons in ons moer in kan stuur dan kan Wilddogs seker ook  :dousing:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Kortbroek on March 22, 2021, 11:37:26 am
As Maties ons in ons moer in kan stuur dan kan Wilddogs seker ook  :dousing:
Dit is vir my opmerklik dat jy selde sal hoor 'n Afrikaanse persoon vra dat alle kommunikasie in Afrikaans moet geskied, maar ek hoor amper daagliks van die Engelse dat ons eerder Engels moet praat. Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

Sent from my Armor_6E using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 22, 2021, 12:32:29 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

It would be kindly appreciated if this report from Honda can be in English because many people are following this thread (or try following it) with concern.
This is a serious matter to some owners or potential owners, me included.
Thank you

I would expect that Honda (if there is a finding that something failed on the bike) would make it known worldwide through the normal channels.  These would be mainly in English and nobody would be (or should be) dependent on this forum for the information as we would simply place a link to the relevant Honda media release. 
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Tom van Brits on March 22, 2021, 12:56:39 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: chopperpilot on March 22, 2021, 01:21:26 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you
Focus, not fokus!

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Gerrard on March 22, 2021, 01:24:40 pm
As long as they talk bike we'll understand.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Vis Arend on March 22, 2021, 01:36:47 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you
Focus, not fokus!

Sent from my FIG-LX1 using Tapatalk

Fok in Afrikaans, fuck in English, not Pok.   :thumleft:  :lol8:
 
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: skydiver on March 22, 2021, 01:40:25 pm
Big Oil will google translate for the 'mericans  :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Vis Arend on March 22, 2021, 01:47:35 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you

Hey, ek het baie meer afrikaanse pelle wat hier volg.   :eek7:

Moennie stress nie man, Honda sal in elk geval hul verslag in Engels bekendmaak.   :deal: :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 22, 2021, 02:51:03 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you

Hey, ek het baie meer afrikaanse pelle wat hier volg.   :eek7:

Moennie stress nie man, Honda sal in elk geval hul verslag in Engels bekendmaak.   :deal: :thumleft:

Solank hulle dit nie bekendstel in "invisibalia' soos die twat-bende nie. :deal:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 22, 2021, 04:29:08 pm
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on March 22, 2021, 05:29:50 pm
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

 :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobD on March 22, 2021, 05:35:52 pm
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

 :imaposer:


Hey... Vok.... Dit is nie alaml van ons nie hoor.... :ricky:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 22, 2021, 05:57:03 pm


What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

 :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 22, 2021, 07:51:37 pm
can we have it in Scottish aswellplease

 :imaposer: Can the lazy Brits not just Google translate??


wit the fook is google , ye wee bampot

How could any slur, especially if it refers to being obnoxious, unpleasant and / or foolish, directed at Danie contain the word "wee"?   :snorting:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 22, 2021, 07:54:46 pm
Pok guys fokus, this is an important safety issue.
The OP have the right to post in his language of choice but has started the thread heading/title in English.
So one would expect to follow this in English and I have 2 American friends following here as well.
Come on please, this is really unnecessary.
You all knows me, I am Afrikaans and my English is probably worst of all the boertjies yet I ask for an unselfish response so that everybody can be informed of the outcome.
Thank you

You know two Americans who can actually read?   :imaposer:

Come on TvB, pocus!  You know we are just pucking around.  Anything serious come from this, we will be happy to discuss in English.  We will even type slowly as we know the Americans can't read fast.   

On a more serious note, if there is one bike in SA with an issue, there will already be 50 in the USA with the same issue.  Their market is just way bigger.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Vis Arend on March 22, 2021, 08:08:17 pm
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

Slaan jy die spyker op die kop.   :lol8: :laughing4: :laughing4:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: DUSTRIDERS on March 22, 2021, 11:09:39 pm
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

 :imaposer:


Hey... Vok.... Dit is nie alaml van ons nie hoor.... :ricky:
Lang F Rob, we like our swear words spelt correctly!!! :thumleft: ;) :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 23, 2021, 08:16:20 am
Lang F Rob, we like our swear words spelt spelled correctly!!!

 O0
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobD on March 23, 2021, 09:09:58 am
Meeste Afrikaners, Xhosas, Zulus etc is tweetalig maar die f#k weet dit is te veel gevra van ons Engelse burgers.

What do you call someone who speaks three or more languages?
Multilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
Bilingual.
What do you call someone who speaks one language?
English.

 :imaposer:


Hey... Vok.... Dit is nie alaml van ons nie hoor.... :ricky:
Lang F Rob, we like our swear words spelt correctly!!! :thumleft: ;) :lol8:

Tjom van my get altyd n grap gemaak: Ek eet nie vleis wat met n V begin nie, soos vis, vark en vokken hoender .....  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobD on March 23, 2021, 09:12:04 am
Lang F Rob, we like our swear words spelt spelled correctly!!!

 O0


 :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 23, 2021, 09:17:39 am
 Don't come here with your Yankee English habits you blighter you

:imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 23, 2021, 09:33:28 am
Don't come here with your Yankee English habits you blighter you

Well now, I stand corrected: my apologies Chris!  :thumleft:
My understanding was the other way 'round as Yankees generally have a habit to simplify/shorten the English language .... so I learn, dankie Dors!  :P
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 23, 2021, 09:38:03 am
Don't worry, Yankee English confuses everybody.  I feel one cannot trust a nation that drives on the righthand side of the road.  Or measures in miles, ten thousandths of an inch and fills up with US gallons.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Vis Arend on March 23, 2021, 09:45:21 am
Don't worry, Yankee English confuses everybody.  I feel one cannot trust a nation that drives on the righthand side of the road.  Or measures in miles, ten thousandths of an inch and fills up with US gallons.

Hier's twee "Yankee's" wat jou dophou.   :patch: :peepwall:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 23, 2021, 09:47:41 am
Ja maar Tom sal hulle darem mooi Afrikaans leer en op die smal pad hou.  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on March 23, 2021, 09:52:34 am
I feel one cannot trust a nation that drives on the righthand side of the road.  Or measures in miles, ten thousandths of an inch and fills up with US gallons.

Rrrrrright, so you're more comfortable with an isolated-for-eons island nation which measures weight in stones, distance in furlongs per fortnight, volume per pint and feet for height!
Makes sense yeah....  :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 23, 2021, 10:04:46 am
Inbreeding has certain benefits you know.

Up to a point of course.  Then we get this and other physical defects .....
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: bud500 on March 23, 2021, 11:33:08 am
Guys, this thread has become proper kakpraat. Can we stick to the point, else I need to move this to Jou Ma.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on March 24, 2021, 02:30:04 pm
Guys, this thread has become proper kakpraat. Can we stick to the point, else I need to move this to Jou Ma.

Was thinking exact same reading last few comments..... lockup in another sense... :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on March 29, 2021, 06:26:04 pm
Hallo julle, net n bietjie terugvoer gou :

Ons het almal bymekaar gekom by Honda Centurion gister 18.3.2021 en hulle het na Gary se storie geluister,"sequence of events". Die hele ondersoek begin nou amptelik.Honda S.A is baie gewillig en behulpsaam om vas te stel of en wat vekeerd kon geloop het.

Om spekulasie te vermy sal ons die proses volg met hulle en kyk wat die resultaate is.

Groetnis Frank

Elf dae laater na die vergadering met Honda SA, is daar engie terugvoering ?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 30, 2021, 08:18:26 am
Guys, this thread has become proper kakpraat. Can we stick to the point, else I need to move this to Jou Ma.

You are joking right? Neither the wilddog that fell or his riding buddy on the same trip can post a pic to show if bike was full of mud or heat stains on calipers or at least verbally confirm/deny it? Not even one pic taken in the garage to whatsapp your buddies? why are we suppose to take it serious?



And expecting a statement and formal report from Honda publicly released.... dont see that happening
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on March 30, 2021, 10:16:12 am

And expecting a statement and formal report from Honda publicly released.... dont see that happening

Me neither.  Whatever they say in any formal report can and will be used against them if civil action ensues.
Title: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: aswatas on March 30, 2021, 11:33:03 am
Below is the current reply from Honda so far, nothing more nothing less.

Good Day All

As discussed, this is what I have thus far for you in the Investigation of this bike, we have concluded the Front of the Bike and will move over to the Rear of the Bike, I will give further Feedback on Thursday afternoon with further findingsÖ

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 30, 2021, 11:44:37 am
Below is the current reply from Honda so far, nothing more nothing less.

Good Day All

As discussed, this is what I have thus far for you in the Investigation of this bike, we have concluded the Front of the Bike and will move over to the Rear of the Bike, I will give further Feedback on Thursday afternoon with further findingsÖ

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ


so we can assume its not still locked up?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 30, 2021, 12:06:12 pm
Below is the current reply from Honda so far, nothing more nothing less.

Good Day All

As discussed, this is what I have thus far for you in the Investigation of this bike, we have concluded the Front of the Bike and will move over to the Rear of the Bike, I will give further Feedback on Thursday afternoon with further findingsÖ

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ

That is very scary to me, that means the front wheel locked up, whilst everything is within specifications
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 30, 2021, 01:49:08 pm
@BikerJan no this is just an assumption. Relax.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on March 30, 2021, 03:33:37 pm
My personal feeling this entire event is similar to the Weather Services whipping up mass hysteria about a Highveld thunderstorm.  Much ado about nothing.  Somebody buy the film rights already, contract with a CGI company to add drama, blood and guts and let's move on now.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BikerJan on March 30, 2021, 03:54:06 pm
@BikerJan no this is just an assumption. Relax.

Please tell me what is the assumption with this statement?:

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on March 30, 2021, 04:01:30 pm
@BikerJan no this is just an assumption. Relax.

Please tell me what is the assumption with this statement?:

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ

it is

we still dont know if there was mud on that front and have to assume within spec means there is no heat stains on calipers.


something a simple post crash pic will adress
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on March 30, 2021, 05:20:56 pm
@BikerJan no this is just an assumption. Relax.

Please tell me what is the assumption with this statement?:

Thus Far we can conclude from our Findings that the Front of the bike, all is within SpecÖ

Thats not the assumption. This is.....  "the front wheel locked up, whilst everything is within specifications"
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: ETS on April 07, 2021, 03:23:55 pm
Nog niks gehoor nie??
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on April 07, 2021, 03:34:44 pm
Geen nuus is goeie nuus soos hulle sÍ.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: HAMSTER on April 19, 2021, 07:12:07 am
Just wandering if there has been any feedback :-\
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on April 19, 2021, 02:03:24 pm
If it was my bike I would be speaking to an attorney for damages and settlement from Honda.... ;)
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: AfricaOffroad on April 19, 2021, 03:28:28 pm
Unless you have expert opinion and proof this failure somehow related to Hondaís flawed engineering, you going to be wasting a lot of money going the legal route. Could be many reasons for this failure none of which are Hondaís  problem.
To mention but a few:
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir
Brake lever getting pushed in by a bent hand guard exacipating the above. Fluid heats up, expands and locks brake.
Any kind of contamination of the brake fluid with some type of particles.
Stone in the front disc locking the wheel, saw this happen with a mountain bike the other day, it wasnít pretty.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: m0lt3n on April 19, 2021, 03:36:25 pm
Unless you have expert opinion and proof this failure somehow related to Hondaís flawed engineering, you going to be wasting a lot of money going the legal route. Could be many reasons for this failure none of which are Hondaís  problem.
To mention but a few:
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir
Brake lever getting pushed in by a bent hand guard exacipating the above. Fluid heats up, expands and locks brake.
Any kind of contamination of the brake fluid with some type of particles.
Stone in the front disc locking the wheel, saw this happen with a mountain bike the other day, it wasnít pretty.


We dont even know if it was mud yet... we know nada
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Lord Knormoer on April 19, 2021, 05:45:37 pm
If Honda indeed finds anything wrong they will most probably reach a settlement with the owner which will be accompanied by a non-disclosure agreement.

We will therefore either get no feedback or see a report confirming that there was nothing wrong with the bike.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on April 19, 2021, 07:10:29 pm
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir

Pertinently & Patently impossible to cause any other problem than leaking and perhaps then taking some paint off!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on April 19, 2021, 07:15:52 pm
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir

Pertinently & Patently impossible to cause any other problem than leaking and perhaps then taking some paint off!
and on I new bike highly unlikely... unless the agent cocked up the PDS... :sip:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: AfricaOffroad on April 19, 2021, 08:16:23 pm
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir

Pertinently & Patently impossible to cause any other problem than leaking and perhaps then taking some paint off!
We will agree to disagree.
Take an already full reservoir, take out old brake pads and fit new thicker units, push the caliper pistons back, thereby compressing the rubber diaphragm in the reservoir , so all expansion ullage is removed. Use brakes, fluid heats up, expands, only place for it to go is into the caliper pistons which move outwards. A bad mechanic can create many situations for which a system was not designed.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: AfricaOffroad on April 19, 2021, 08:21:45 pm
If you take out all free play on a brake lever, you create a lock up scenario as the fluid heats up.
Very common problem Iíve seen many times particularly on an off-road bike rear brake foot lever.

Anyway, as I was saying many ways to screw up a braking system...
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: AfricaOffroad on April 19, 2021, 08:27:33 pm
Overfilled brake fluid reservoir

Pertinently & Patently impossible to cause any other problem than leaking and perhaps then taking some paint off!

I will agree however that you totally fill the reservoir and then fit an in spec rubber diaphragm, this will always ensure enough ullage that expanding fluid cannot create a hydraulic lock, if other system parameters are in spec.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on April 19, 2021, 10:25:04 pm
We will agree to disagree.
Take an already full reservoir, take out old brake pads and fit new thicker units, push the caliper pistons back, thereby compressing the rubber diaphragm in the reservoir , so all expansion ullage is removed. Use brakes, fluid heats up, expands, only place for it to go is into the caliper pistons which move outwards. A bad mechanic can create many situations for which a system was not designed.

You forget the air hmm?
As I said absolutely not possible - in practical terms that is, in a lab maaaaaybe... if the reservoir's lid is strong enough to cope with substantial pressure (it isn't) and if there's no air trapped (nigh on impossible to do) and if the rubber gasket is strong enough to resist the pressure (lol, they bulge if you tighten the screws a bit hard) and and....
We disagree  ;)
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: AfricaOffroad on April 19, 2021, 10:50:39 pm
I donít follow your air argument?
Air escapes through a small passage between the top of the cap/cover and the rubber diaphragm .
The rubber of the diaphragm acts as a gasket and prevents the fluid from escaping similarity.
Ultimately the reservoir will rupture with excessive pressure build up per the scenario originally described . Whether this caused this particular failure, I cannot say.
It does however prove my original point that inappropriate mechanics could have been the root cause of this brake failure.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on April 20, 2021, 08:14:35 am
Ah, air: no, I don't mean in the actual hydraulic system (when the compensation bore is closed) but above it.
There's always (really) some in the reservoir above the fluid, i.e under the rubber thingy.
The reservoir is just that, a holder of fluid at around ambient pressure, and is not designed to withstand significant pressure, neither the rubber ballow aka gasket.
But also, as gas is compressible (same like the neoprene) this acts as a spring, hence negating pushed back pistons staying in position, rather progressive too!
Sure, when one would be able to force (wedge) the disc inbetween the new pads the hydraulic pressure would act on the inside of the reservoir, causing it to leak/burst.

Locking discs require a rather high pressure (and I agree with you that the thermal fluid expansion is a gargantuan force, note pls) but this force will easily cause the seal/reservoir to rupture/leak/burst way before such pressure is attained.
But, a rather significant but, there's ABS-valves inbetween caliper & reservoir on this bike, making staggeringly high pressures a real possibility!
If I'd had to wager a guess for this mishap then my monies would be on or around the ABS circuitry, but my knowledge on this is limited hence I won't  ;)
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on April 20, 2021, 08:39:18 am
If you take out all free play on a brake lever, you create a lock up scenario as the fluid heats up.
Very common problem Iíve seen many times particularly on an off-road bike rear brake foot lever.

Yes, I agree, had this happen to me..... are you pointing a finger here?  :P
I lowered my brake pedal and took the free play out - too much duh, I'd juuuust closed off the compensation bore  :-[
I came to a full stop only some 100m from my house, and had to take out the toolkit to get home again - on a visibly brandnew bike: "Oh, hallo Buurman!"  ;D

However, that's pressure in the hydraulic system, not in the reservoir!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2021, 04:26:16 pm
Het die bike se wiel nou al losgekom?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on April 20, 2021, 05:07:02 pm
Nog nie.  Paar ouens moet eers nog hulle moere klaar strip hier.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 20, 2021, 07:43:22 pm
Nog nie.  Paar ouens moet eers nog hulle moere klaar strip hier.

Pasop, netnou is daar n miskommunikasie, en sosiale media praat van die moer wat gestrip het en die wiel gelock het. :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on April 21, 2021, 06:23:33 am
Nog nie.  Paar ouens moet eers nog hulle moere klaar strip hier.

Pasop, netnou is daar n miskommunikasie, en sosiale media praat van die moer wat gestrip het en die wiel gelock het. :pot:
Toemaar, ons weet jy sal hulle reghelp en almal wyd en syd laat weet dat dit 'n foutiewe motorfiets/ontwerp was wat die ryer amper sy lewe gekos het...  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on April 21, 2021, 07:21:43 am
Nog nie.  Paar ouens moet eers nog hulle moere klaar strip hier.

Pasop, netnou is daar n miskommunikasie, en sosiale media praat van die moer wat gestrip het en die wiel gelock het. :pot:
Toemaar, ons weet jy sal hulle reghelp en almal wyd en syd laat weet dat dit 'n foutiewe motorfiets/ontwerp was wat die ryer amper sy lewe gekos het...  :pot:

Nee, dit is n Honda die, geen gekrimpery aan sy vurke nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on April 21, 2021, 11:32:37 am
Ek dink nie Honda of enige ander motorfiets vervaardiger sou 'n duidelike antwoord op die een bekend gemaak het nie, rede hoekom ek so sÍ is die spesifieke fiets is 'n Gen 1 Africa Twin, die Gen 1 is vanaf 2016 op die mark en die insident het in 2021 plaas gevind so ek glo sou dit 'n algemene probleem gewees het sou dit al met ander Gen 1 fietse ook gebeur het in die afgelope vyf jaar. So wat die rede ook al sal wees wil dit voorkom asof die 'n enkel geval is tog sal dit nog steeds intresant wees om te weet wat hier gebeur of fout gegaan het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 21, 2021, 05:16:25 pm
Recently there was a video on the 790 bash thread about the same thing happening on a 790 after riding mud.
The vide shows clearly hoe the front wheel lockup on the open and dry dirt road
Maybe and I say just maybe the clever electronics, abs ring that's muddy...maybe it sends a message to the ecu which intervene in a weird way
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: punisher on April 21, 2021, 05:29:16 pm
i have had it on the GSA before , not so  much a "lockup" but a gradual breaking pressure ....... to the point of semi lock up , also after riding in the mud

had to bleed the brakes to free them up
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 21, 2021, 07:03:05 pm
Well if I ever have a fancy bike again I'll first clean that Abs ring and surrounds and then drive slowly a bit and make sure all ok before winding that throttle
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Tom van Brits on April 21, 2021, 07:05:15 pm
Well if I ever have a fancy bike again I'll first clean that Abs ring and surrounds and then drive slowly a bit and make sure all ok before winding that throttle

That now after riding through muddy sections. Who knows...
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: skydiver on August 23, 2021, 08:12:08 am
I watched a YT video this weekend and the front wheel area of the presenter's AT also made him fall
The incident happened around the 29th minute and another issue around 53 min

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Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: uaedesertfox on August 24, 2021, 06:59:30 am
Nothing wrong with the bike in my view, the man-machine interface is the issue here ... ;D

That steering is so skew and twisted I am surprised he could ride it and that he didn't fall long before that..... mind you, I think he did fall really hard at some point to get it into that state.. ::)

the mechanic says it all at minute 53... :thumleft:

 
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 24, 2021, 08:00:18 am
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: sidetrack on August 24, 2021, 03:56:05 pm
Those 1980's bikes with non ABS, high fenders and analog clocks never locked up wheels  :pot:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on August 24, 2021, 04:15:47 pm
Those 1980's bikes with non ABS, high fenders and analog clocks never locked up wheels  :pot:

Was a drum brake powerful enough to do that?   :lol8:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 24, 2021, 07:53:25 pm
Those 1980's bikes with non ABS, high fenders and analog clocks never locked up wheels  :pot:

Was a drum brake powerful enough to do that?   :lol8:


Your 2021 Ranger or Hilux can lock their rear wheels with their drums.......
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Welsh on August 24, 2021, 09:02:02 pm
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
So you are going to do that after every puncture? Or maybe due to early AT fork wear issues?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 24, 2021, 09:31:14 pm
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
So you are going to do that after every puncture? Or maybe due to early AT fork wear issues?

Luckily my AT is tubeless, but not sure how other models are done in terms of the brake caliper bolts replacement every time the front wheel is removed to patch punctures.

W.r.t. the fastening sequence for the axle and pinch bolts I believe that's standard on many other bikes as well, it might be that not all pay attention to it. It comes down to the left fork, rim and spacers being tightened to a shoulder on the axle first, before the right fork is fastened to the axle as well via the pinch bolts. Doing this I noticed the fork shifted on the axle about 2mm when temporarily released, meaning the forks were not in their "natural" position, but slightly running towards each other towards the axle due to the axle's torqueing. This procedure therefor ensures that the fork legs and fork tubes are parallel to each other for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: peteb on August 25, 2021, 06:31:01 am
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
So you are going to do that after every puncture? Or maybe due to early AT fork wear issues?

Luckily my AT is tubeless, but not sure how other models are done in terms of the brake caliper bolts replacement every time the front wheel is removed to patch punctures.

W.r.t. the fastening sequence for the axle and pinch bolts I believe that's standard on many other bikes as well, it might be that not all pay attention to it. It comes down to the left fork, rim and spacers being tightened to a shoulder on the axle first, before the right fork is fastened to the axle as well via the pinch bolts. Doing this I noticed the fork shifted on the axle about 2mm when temporarily released, meaning the forks were not in their "natural" position, but slightly running towards each other towards the axle due to the axle's torqueing. This procedure therefor ensures that the fork legs and fork tubes are parallel to each other for obvious reasons.
And before you tighten the pinch bolts hold the front brake and push the forks down as far through their stroke as you can a few times, then tighten. Been standard practice on dirt bikes for decades to align the forks.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 25, 2021, 07:15:17 am
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
So you are going to do that after every puncture? Or maybe due to early AT fork wear issues?

Luckily my AT is tubeless, but not sure how other models are done in terms of the brake caliper bolts replacement every time the front wheel is removed to patch punctures.

W.r.t. the fastening sequence for the axle and pinch bolts I believe that's standard on many other bikes as well, it might be that not all pay attention to it. It comes down to the left fork, rim and spacers being tightened to a shoulder on the axle first, before the right fork is fastened to the axle as well via the pinch bolts. Doing this I noticed the fork shifted on the axle about 2mm when temporarily released, meaning the forks were not in their "natural" position, but slightly running towards each other towards the axle due to the axle's torqueing. This procedure therefor ensures that the fork legs and fork tubes are parallel to each other for obvious reasons.
And before you tighten the pinch bolts hold the front brake and push the forks down as far through their stroke as you can a few times, then tighten. Been standard practice on dirt bikes for decades to align the forks.

Correct, I did that as well - forgot te mention.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Koet on August 25, 2021, 07:48:54 am
Also keen to know what happened here. I recently changed my AT's tires at home, only then noticed that the brake calipers' bolts have to be replaced.  Obviously I didn't have such bolts with me and neither would you at the side of the road.  What would the reason be? Metal fatique? Anyway I went on a 1000km trip without incident and will have it checked/replaced at the upcoming service.

Something else that I noticed was that the front axle and pinch bolts have a certain sequence w.r.t. tight, lose, tight again, etc in order to have the shocks in a "relaxed" and parallel final position. Not sure to which degree this could potentially be a problem but glad I followed that very precisely and it made sense afterwards. The manual is actually very accurate with its instructions although explanations are not given.
So you are going to do that after every puncture? Or maybe due to early AT fork wear issues?

Luckily my AT is tubeless, but not sure how other models are done in terms of the brake caliper bolts replacement every time the front wheel is removed to patch punctures.

W.r.t. the fastening sequence for the axle and pinch bolts I believe that's standard on many other bikes as well, it might be that not all pay attention to it. It comes down to the left fork, rim and spacers being tightened to a shoulder on the axle first, before the right fork is fastened to the axle as well via the pinch bolts. Doing this I noticed the fork shifted on the axle about 2mm when temporarily released, meaning the forks were not in their "natural" position, but slightly running towards each other towards the axle due to the axle's torqueing. This procedure therefor ensures that the fork legs and fork tubes are parallel to each other for obvious reasons.

On my AT there's no need to remove the front brake calipers to fix a puncture.  I've fixed at least 5 punctures without removing the calipers.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 25, 2021, 08:09:40 am
I needed to remove at least one, will see next time (2020 ATAS - not sure if all models are the same). Are you able to put back the wheel already inflated or do you inflate after installation?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Mpandla on August 25, 2021, 08:12:40 am
I needed to remove at least one, will see next time (2020 ATAS - not sure if all models are the same). Are you able to put back the wheel already inflated or do you inflate after installation?


On mine the only time I had to remove a caliper was with the MT21 front fitted. If I had the STR on, it slid in without needing to remove the caliper
Rear tyre always inflated prior to fitting.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Koet on August 25, 2021, 08:17:13 am
I needed to remove at least one, will see next time (2020 ATAS - not sure if all models are the same). Are you able to put back the wheel already inflated or do you inflate after installation?

I've always inflated before putting the wheel back.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on August 25, 2021, 10:12:23 am
CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup


Iirc there was an official look into this by Honda.
Any official results yet?
If so I've missed it....
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Beserker on August 25, 2021, 12:24:05 pm
Any official results yet?
If so I've missed it....

KTM and BMW were swamped and working through the backlog.


Recently there was a video on the 790 bash thread about the same thing happening on a 790 after riding mud.
The vide shows clearly hoe the front wheel lockup on the open and dry dirt road
Maybe and I say just maybe the clever electronics, abs ring that's muddy...maybe it sends a message to the ecu which intervene in a weird way

i have had it on the GSA before , not so  much a "lockup" but a gradual breaking pressure ....... to the point of semi lock up , also after riding in the mud
had to bleed the brakes to free them up

Honda, after thourough (as to be expected) investigation, realised it is an isolated case on a (by todays standards) classic and not to worry about:

.....rede hoekom ek so sÍ is die spesifieke fiets is 'n Gen 1 Africa Twin, die Gen 1 is vanaf 2016 op die mark en die insident het in 2021 plaas gevind so ek glo sou dit 'n algemene probleem gewees het sou dit al met ander Gen 1 fietse ook gebeur het in die afgelope vyf jaar. So wat die rede ook al sal wees wil dit voorkom asof die 'n enkel geval is tog sal dit nog steeds intresant wees om te weet wat hier gebeur of fout gegaan het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on August 25, 2021, 03:07:22 pm
I had a brief chat a while back with the author of this thread.... seems Honda did do their thing but no definitive conclusion other to pointing to possible rider error and a potential dragging and overheating rear brake apparently resulting from a boot resting on the lever .... if it was a design error it would probably have cropped up on more bikes imo...
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Beserker on August 26, 2021, 09:34:33 am
I had a brief chat a while back with the author of this thread.... seems Honda did do their thing but no definitive conclusion other to pointing to possible rider error and a potential dragging and overheating rear brake apparently resulting from a boot resting on the lever .... if it was a design error it would probably have cropped up on more bikes imo...

Thanks Roxtar - Just an observation - it was the front brake that locked up?

On the rear break - I put on all my bikes (off road bikes) a stiffer rear brake spring as I tend to rest my size xxl boot on it as well - it prevents the dragging
The downside is you need to stomp down on it, which is what I do in any case.  (with my xxxl arse :-) )

Works well offroad, not sure about on road, but the ABS will cater for it?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Roxtar on August 26, 2021, 12:55:36 pm
I had a brief chat a while back with the author of this thread.... seems Honda did do their thing but no definitive conclusion other to pointing to possible rider error and a potential dragging and overheating rear brake apparently resulting from a boot resting on the lever .... if it was a design error it would probably have cropped up on more bikes imo...

Thanks Roxtar - Just an observation - it was the front brake that locked up?

On the rear break - I put on all my bikes (off road bikes) a stiffer rear brake spring as I tend to rest my size xxl boot on it as well - it prevents the dragging
The downside is you need to stomp down on it, which is what I do in any case.  (with my xxxl arse :-) )

Works well offroad, not sure about on road, but the ABS will cater for it?

Both seemed to have locked up yes B, but Honda is pointing at rider error it would seem rather than the system itself...we will probably never know what really happened...?
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on August 26, 2021, 01:43:12 pm
Hang on, so am I correct in saying that if one removes the calipers to repair a puncture you need to reinstall with new caliper bolts?  I had my fork seals replaced by Honda George and I am damn sure they never did that.  In fact I know they never did that because the repair was done on-site here on the farm.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 26, 2021, 02:52:51 pm
Hang on, so am I correct in saying that if one removes the calipers to repair a puncture you need to reinstall with new caliper bolts?  I had my fork seals replaced by Honda George and I am damn sure they never did that.  In fact I know they never did that because the repair was done on-site here on the farm.

Dorsland, blykbaar ja. Weet nie hoekom nie? Sien o.a. deel tussen Punt 9 & 10.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: RobC on August 26, 2021, 03:09:30 pm
WOW... that sucks having to replace bolts every time the wheel comes off... :deal:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Karoo Rider on August 26, 2021, 03:17:09 pm
WOW... that sucks having to replace bolts every time the wheel comes off... :deal:

That said, from others I see that it might be possible to remove the front wheel without removing the brake calipers, might require deflating but surely something I'll try first next time.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Dorsland on August 26, 2021, 03:21:29 pm
Bliksem, ek moet nou eers my handleiding uitpluk en kyk of myne ook so is.  Dis nie baie lekker nie.  Ek het gelukkig nog nie my AT gery vandat dit gedoen is nie.  :-\
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on August 26, 2021, 07:37:33 pm
"New bolts to be used when remounting the brake calipers"

That is a stretch, and quite frankly I've never ever heard of such!

Anyone knows WHY this is?  :o
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: HAMSTER on August 27, 2021, 07:16:42 am
Ek het die wiel al seker meer as 10 keer afgehaal en nie die boude vervang nie,Dit is stretch boude en jy sal voel wanneer hulle nie meer reg is nie.Ek het n spaar stel vir wanneer dit nodig is.Hulle is net vrek duur.R200 per boutjie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on August 27, 2021, 07:26:54 am
Geez. If this were BMW requiring a replacement bolt every time callipers were removed the internet would've been all over it already. And 2SD.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on August 27, 2021, 10:11:35 am
Kom ons kyk eers hoe 'n manual vandag geskryf moet word om aan te pas by die man op straat waar elke tweede persoon dink alles is maklik en hy weet wat hy doen.

Vandag is daar baie mense wat meganiese werk self wil doen maar hulle het geen werklike agtergrond van hoe om iets volgens die boek reg te doen nie en dit sluit werkswinkels in, goeie voorbeeld is jou kar se wiele. Kyk maar hoe gereeld moet iemand op sy wheel spanner staan om die nuts los te kry en die enigste rede daar voor is die wiele is eenvoudig te vas gemaak deur hetsy die persoon self of die plek waar hy bande op gesit het wat geglo het vas is vas en die wiel moet nie los kom nie en dan afgesien dat die volgende persoon sy gat moet af sukkel om die nut's los te kry is die stud ook gerek en is die kans eintlik groter dat hy sal los kom of dalk ook kan breek. Meeste voertuie bakkies ingesluit se wiel nut's torque tussen 110 en 130 Nm maar dit is selde dat mens sien dat bande plekke torque wrenches gebruik.

So dink ek het Honda ook die manual geskryf om hulself te beskerm teen slim Jan op straat wat se kop vir hom sÍ die bout hou die caliber vas dus moet ek hom trek dat hy kraak want as hy los kom is daar moeilikheid, meantime maak slim Jan juis moeilikheid deur die bout te over torque en dalk die bout rek wat dan juis kan maak dat hy los kom of breek. Daar is wel meganiese mense wat gereeld met dit werk en al 'n gevoel ontwikkel het hoe styf hulle verskillende boute moet vas maak en hulle is gewoonlik baie na aan spec maar die gevaar kom in by die slim Jan wat dink hy weet.  Ek het my caliber al 'n paar keer af gehaal en die boute gemeet met 'n nuwe spaar stel wat ek het en hulle is nie gerek nie, maar ek torque hulle altyd op spec en as ek na die groote van die boute kyk en die spec wat hulle ge-torque word dink ek die boute sal baie ge re-torque kan word voor hulle iets sal oorkom mits dit op spec ge-torque word. Daar is AT's met meer as 100 000 km waarvan ek glo die boute nog nie vervang was nie. Honda en so ook ander fabrikate moet deesdae baie versigtig wees as hulle 'n manual skryf juis om hulle te beskerm teen die slim Jannie's daar buite. Nog 'n voorbeeld is gaan kyk op die AT se manual hoe hulle beskryf jy die olie filter moet ruil, hulle sÍ duidelik dat as jy die filter af het jy die boss moet meet om seker te maak hy het nie los gekom toe die filter af gedraai is nie, dit is iets wat selde gebeur en ek kan nie onthou dat so iets al met my gebeur het nie tog is dit moontlik en sou iemand nie seker maak nie kan die filter wel los kom agterna en jou dalk 'n engine kos.

Wat die vas maak van die voorwiel aan betref, dit is eintlik logies as mens daarna kyk, deur die pinch bolt te skiet na die main shaft vas is en dan die fiets 'n paar keer te bounch sodat die shocks in en uit kan beweeg is om die shocks, rod en sleeve in lyn (neutral) te kry want indien dit nie in lyn is nie kan jy abnormale wear op die pistons en sleeve's kry, baie min tyre shops doen dit, meeste maak net vas en daar gaan jy.

My motto is,  niemand werk aan my fiets as hy nie 'n torque wrench gebruik nie, as ek wat nie eers in die game is nie 'n reeks torque wrenches het kan ek geen rede sien dat 'n werkswinkel of iemand wat in die game is nie ook torque wrenches kan he nie. En dan die belangrikste, as jy aan jou fiets wil werk gaan lees eers die manual, slim het al te veel sy baas gevang met mense wat dink hulle is slim.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: HAMSTER on August 27, 2021, 10:47:12 am
Daar het ons dit nou  >:D
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on August 27, 2021, 10:49:13 am
Geez. If this were BMW requiring a replacement bolt every time callipers were removed the internet would've been all over it already. And 2SD.

Janee.  'n PÍl van my se Fireblade manual beduie dieselfde.  Daai model se knypers moet af elke keer as jy die voorwiel vervang.  Dit beteken sakke vol bokkies vir die band en dan 'n ekstra sal vol bokkies vir die boute!  Malgeite!
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: TheBear on August 27, 2021, 10:52:15 am
Vandag is daar baie mense wat meganiese werk self wil doen maar hulle het geen werklike agtergrond van hoe om iets volgens die boek reg te doen nie ...

Vandag?  Ons ouers het dit al gedoen en hulle het meestal nie "torque wrenches" gehad nie. 

Jy is egter reg, die vervaardigers skryf die "manual" om hulle absoluut ten alles koste te beskerm.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on August 27, 2021, 11:08:20 am
Vandag is daar baie mense wat meganiese werk self wil doen maar hulle het geen werklike agtergrond van hoe om iets volgens die boek reg te doen nie ...

Vandag?  Ons ouers het dit al gedoen en hulle het meestal nie "torque wrenches" gehad nie. 

Jy is egter reg, die vervaardigers skryf die "manual" om hulle absoluut ten alles koste te beskerm.

Onthou ons ouers en baie van ons era se mense is nie tv baba's wat agter tv games groot geword het nie, jy sal verbaas wees as jy sien hoeveel kan vandag nie 'n  puncture op 'n trap fiets reg maak maar more is hy in die china shop om cheap tools te koop om sy bakkie self te diens want volgens youtube lyk dit maklik. Dit is hoekom ek genoem het dat party mense wel die gevoel het om 'n bout vas te maak sonder om hom op te neuk maar ongelukig weet die fabrikate nie wie hulle is nie dus vat hulle nie 'n kans met hulle skrywe nie.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on August 27, 2021, 07:43:02 pm
Hulle sit dit in die manual om hulle te cover teen lawsuits.

Alles moet so omskryf word om die manufacturer to beskerm teen die publiek. Ek glo nie dit het enige effek op die wheel lockup soos in die geval.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on August 27, 2021, 07:56:59 pm
ALOC bolts are bolts with threadlocker compound applied.
The brake calipers are safety critical components and Honda does not want lawsuits in case those calipers come loose.
So to cover themselves they want you to use new bolts.
I actually think they want a qualified technician to replace the bolts and not you lot.  :biggrin:
So you will have no basis for lawsuit if it comes loose.

It is a non issue. Continue as before if you have no money anyway to sew Honda motors.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on August 27, 2021, 08:41:44 pm
Hulle sit dit in die manual om hulle te cover teen lawsuits.

Alles moet so omskryf word om die manufacturer to beskerm teen die publiek. Ek glo nie dit het enige effek op die wheel lockup soos in die geval.

Presies, dit is hoe ek dit ook sien.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: OomD on August 27, 2021, 08:52:23 pm
Hulle sit dit in die manual om hulle te cover teen lawsuits.

Alles moet so omskryf word om die manufacturer to beskerm teen die publiek. Ek glo nie dit het enige effek op die wheel lockup soos in die geval.
Dan sou hulle dit vir alle boute gesÍ het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: 2StrokeDan on August 27, 2021, 08:59:32 pm
Hulle sit dit in die manual om hulle te cover teen lawsuits.

Alles moet so omskryf word om die manufacturer to beskerm teen die publiek. Ek glo nie dit het enige effek op die wheel lockup soos in die geval.
Dan sou hulle dit vir alle boute gesÍ het.



Wat sou hulle vir die boute gese het? :biggrin:
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: El Zeffo on August 27, 2021, 09:05:15 pm
Hulle sit dit in die manual om hulle te cover teen lawsuits.

Alles moet so omskryf word om die manufacturer to beskerm teen die publiek. Ek glo nie dit het enige effek op die wheel lockup soos in die geval.
Dan sou hulle dit vir alle boute gesÍ het.

Ek het twee minute deur die manual gelees en daar is hope boute wat replace moet word as jy hulle uitgehaal het.
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: BuRP on August 28, 2021, 08:33:53 am
ALOC bolts are bolts with threadlocker compound applied.

Aha, so no stretchbolts but only threadlocked one's?
If so then some (blue) Locktite on the 'old' bolts will sort out the re-mounting issue.
Thought so already, 'new' bolts is a bit of a weird thing for calipers, they're no conrods after all  ;)
Title: Re: CRF1000 DCT wheel lockup
Post by: Jakkals on August 28, 2021, 01:08:49 pm
ALOC bolts are bolts with threadlocker compound applied.

Aha, so no stretchbolts but only threadlocked one's?
If so then some (blue) Locktite on the 'old' bolts will sort out the re-mounting issue.
Thought so already, 'new' bolts is a bit of a weird thing for calipers, they're no conrods after all  ;)

Yes it doesn't look like stretch bolts, the stems are to thick.

The new bolts are pre coated with locktide.